WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.639 --> 00:01:17.000 We're in wait. SI, welcome back to Midnight Viewing. I'm 2 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:21.560 father alone and actually welcome back to Fusco Fast joining 3 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:24.799 me here as we run down the works of screenwriter 4 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:28.319 John Fusco. He's the host of Noise Junkies and to Night, 5 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:33.760 mister Walters and lover of all things Fusco. Sometimes mister HP, HP, 6 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:34.359 how are you doing? 7 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:38.000 I'm doing okay if I'm alone, ready to put on 8 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:42.000 my crypto zoologist hat and talk some cryptids with you? 9 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:46.000 Some cryptids, the cryptid. We're on our way to Scotland. 10 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:50.680 Oh boy. Now, so far we have covered crossroads, young guns, 11 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:58.680 young Guns, to the Babe Thunderheart, and now lock Ness. 12 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:01.159 From the company that brought you Four Weddings and a 13 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:05.719 Funeral comes the story of a timeless mystery whose time 14 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:06.599 has come. 15 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:09.400 You want me to go find a lot mess monsters 16 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:10.280 out what you're offering me. 17 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:12.199 No, I want you to save the state of the 18 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.400 out equipment and prove that it's the boost Hols of 19 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:14.879 the century. 20 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:19.560 Now that's a monster, So. 21 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:21.039 You'll be another beastie hunter. 22 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:22.439 Yeah, that's correct. 23 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:24.319 I don't have much time, you know, I gotta get 24 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:28.840 up to Greenland. The four Winter hits fine, Santa Claus, 25 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:31.199 why from my monster? 26 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:33.680 I'm gonna catch your monster and I'm gonna put it 27 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:34.759 on Oprah Webbreak. 28 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:37.879 There's nothing down there, there's nothing unexplained flying around the 29 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:41.120 skies at night, but in a place that still believes 30 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:44.000 in magic. Are you telling me you actually saw them? 31 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:44.639 It's a. 32 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:49.759 Young girl holds the keys jineheaded to get from her gentlemother, 33 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.560 the ability to see things, sometimes. 34 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:56.120 To the greatest secret of them all. My god, it's 35 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:57.360 the perfect glasmosaur. 36 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:02.840 I've got down to the ronvoy front Saints. I guess 37 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:06.080 it's part of something very large, very much alive. 38 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:09.400 You've got something here, the fire up the straw, going 39 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:13.639 to his assisions, maybe to find the hope? 40 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:16.800 Did you do you scared a leaf and never come back? 41 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:20.520 Ted Danser want me to pretend that I didn't see this, 42 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:22.599 Jolie Richardson. 43 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:25.560 There's something that meant to be left alone in the 44 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:27.719 year's most Magical Adventure. 45 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:32.039 I have to say it before I complay Lois. You've 46 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:52.719 got to believe it before you can see it. Oh luckness. 47 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:03.639 Lock And released on February the ninth, nineteen ninety six 48 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:06.319 in the United Kingdom, in September the twentieth, nineteen ninety 49 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:09.719 six in the United States, written by John Fusco, directed 50 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:13.960 by John Henderson, starring Ted Danson, Julie Richardson, Ian Holme, 51 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:18.720 and A James Frayne. Is the story of a eight. 52 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.519 It is the story of a cryptozoologist you mentioned cryptozoologist 53 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:26.000 at the beginning, who has been disgraced for his long 54 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:29.759 lifelong dream of exposing the Yetti that's proven to be 55 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.600 just a complete Nutter hoax, and is at the end 56 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:36.199 of his academic tether. He's given the only job he 57 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:40.399 can possibly pull off, which is to map Lockness to 58 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:45.600 prove that there is no famed monster. HP. This's your 59 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:46.920 first time seeing Lockness. 60 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.480 Like many of these latter day Fusco films, this was 61 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:53.680 my first go round with Lockness. 62 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:58.199 Yes, did you enjoy Lockness? And what's your experience of 63 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:02.240 Lockness prior not the movie? I'm talking about the idea 64 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:06.040 of Lockness. Start there. Let's start there. 65 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:09.279 Sure, I will say this like many kids, I'm sure 66 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.079 maybe you were the same way. Father Malone. I had 67 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.959 a very I went through an obsession with cryptids like 68 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:18.639 Bigfoot and the Lockness Monster and all of that. That's 69 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:23.480 UFOs anything that was unexplained phenomena. So I came into 70 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.959 this excited because I hadn't really thought about the Lockness 71 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.399 Monster in quite a long time, and I know just 72 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:33.800 from research that this project was obviously very near and 73 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:37.680 dear to John Fusco. So I was excited to see this. 74 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:40.600 But as far as any direct experience, the closest I 75 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.079 can say I was we were telling this. I was 76 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.120 telling you the story off off the air that my 77 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:51.879 wife's aunt was from Glasgow, very proud of Scottish ancestry. 78 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:54.199 So I was excited to delve into this and see 79 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:56.839 what Lockness had to offer. How about you, was this 80 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:58.639 your first time seeing Lockness. 81 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:00.800 First time seeing the movie? I remember it came out. 82 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:02.839 I was a projectionist in Santa Monica at the time, 83 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:05.240 but I worked at an art house, so basically, if 84 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:07.399 it was a more mainstream flick, it wasn't going to 85 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:09.879 come my way. And if it wasn't coming my way, 86 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:11.439 then I had to go seek it out, and that 87 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:14.839 usually involved some sort of trade with another projectionist, and 88 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:16.879 those were near and deer, so I wasn't going to 89 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:20.160 I wasn't going to squander it on a children's movie 90 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:25.360 starring Sam Malone. Now, my experience with Lockness prior to 91 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:27.959 this is, as you said, cryptids were a big deal 92 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:32.560 for us, for Generation X, certainly fixation in the nineteen seventies. 93 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:36.120 Most of my cryptid information was and continues to come 94 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:41.040 from one source. In search Of, starring Leonard Nimoy. I 95 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:44.199 have the entire series. I watched my Lockness episode again 96 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:46.879 last night. It's the fucking best. Mo's in the credit sequence, 97 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:50.759 the famed photo of NeSSI just that sock puppet sticking 98 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:51.639 up out of the water. 99 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:54.240 I should have done that. I have in Search Of 100 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.000 as well. I didn't think to watch that episode. Good 101 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:57.959 on your father, Malone. 102 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:02.040 Anytime I'm going to talk anything supernatural or paranormal or anything, 103 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:05.199 outcomes to the collection of In search of First and Foremost, 104 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:09.279 and I will proudly cite that as my only sources. 105 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.360 A scary show at times, wasn't it. It was a 106 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:15.040 little creepy the unexplained things that I don't know, Like 107 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.639 Amelia Earhart was a scary concept for me. That she 108 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:20.360 just fell off the face of the earth. No one 109 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:22.279 knows what happened to her, so that could be a 110 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:24.480 little frightening as a child, but I loved it like 111 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:24.879 you did. 112 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:27.399 Most of the concepts on the show were really frightening. 113 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:31.839 There was a treasure, a buried treasure where they kept 114 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:34.959 attempting to dig for it, but the hole kept filling 115 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:38.040 itself in, and so many people had died trying, and 116 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:41.079 they kept going, and there was a new expedition mounting, 117 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:42.879 and oh my god, I love everything about it. 118 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:46.360 In Search Of I'm going to paraphrase a Malaney joke 119 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:48.639 about he said something to the effect of he thought 120 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:51.000 that quicksand would be a much bigger problem when he 121 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:54.199 got older. For me, I thought the Bermuda Triangle was 122 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:56.680 going to be a much bigger problem when I grew 123 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.879 up than it actually ended up being. That's a frightening concept, too, 124 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:03.720 like the idea that there's this place in where planes 125 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:06.600 vanish ships vanish. Eleonard Eemwoy was great. 126 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:10.600 And of course Tenasus d has memorialized him and his 127 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:13.639 Bigfoot episode in any of their Sasquatch Things and The 128 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:18.480 Original Things. Not only was I fascinated by Lockness the 129 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.959 Lockness Monster from the In Search Of episode, but I 130 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:26.120 have a very distinct memory in fifth grade of both 131 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:30.120 the fourth and fifth grades of the Immaculate Conception School. 132 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:33.600 In our little Catholic uniforms, we were marched down the 133 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.720 street to the local library, where in the children's section 134 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:42.360 we were shown some sort of sixteen millimeter film about 135 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:46.279 the Lochness Monster. It made a huge impression on me 136 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:49.200 because it made it real. The fact that it seemed 137 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:53.120 to be an official school sanctioned trip to a library 138 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:56.080 to watch this thing convinced me that there was a 139 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:59.679 prehistoric dinosaur living in a giant lake in Scotland that 140 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:03.919 had been closed off from the salt water surrounding ocean 141 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:09.000 and somehow survived for hundreds of not centuries. Those are 142 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:09.480 the same thing. 143 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:13.919 There's something about the way it's almost like it's academically 144 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:17.559 sanctioned for you to see a film of it on 145 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:20.840 a school trip. But yeah, I agree that iconic picture 146 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:24.480 of the head of nessigning out of the water, which 147 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:29.720 I think was eventually debunked as being fake, But I 148 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:36.279 don't know. Obviously, we cryptid hunters want clear footage, clear evidence, 149 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.000 but the fact that all of these pictures are fuzzy 150 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:42.080 and zoomed in and blown out just made them more 151 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.840 stark to me, and more I don't know. There was 152 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:48.120 something harsh and scary about the whole thing. 153 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:51.519 Yeah, now you can show me footage of the Locknest 154 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:55.200 Monster coming up onto land and rampaging through the wilds 155 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:58.120 of Scotland, and I wouldn't believe it. But that fuzzy 156 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:03.120 photograph that blur, I think it could be something was 157 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:07.759 definitely an actual monster that had been captured idly by 158 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:09.039 some passers by. 159 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:11.600 Yeah, totally. Now. 160 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:15.320 Listen, I'm a fake priest named Father Malone, but Wallace 161 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:17.360 is the actual last name. And I'm as Scottish as 162 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:19.799 the fucking day is long. So anytime you're gonna make 163 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:21.759 a movie and put it in Scotland, I'm probably gonna 164 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:23.279 go see it. I didn't go see this one. I 165 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:25.919 had my fill with Rob Roy by this time. 166 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:31.240 Was that a pun? You had your fill of Rob Roy? No? 167 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:32.039 But it does work. 168 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:34.720 It does work both the ways, doesn't it. Yeah the 169 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:38.720 drink that movie, I don't know, man, that movie, it 170 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:41.919 didn't It put the kibosh on my enthusiasm for Scottish 171 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:44.159 things for a little. For a little while, I did 172 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:46.960 not enjoy Rob roy And then of course we had 173 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.840 they came out. Listen, I am wearing my kilt. Right now, 174 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:51.879 I am wearing a HP has seen and he can 175 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:55.200 attest to with Houston. He's here in the studio. I 176 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:59.159 am wearing the Wallas starting today. I love all things Scottish. 177 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:03.320 I love all of their weirdo fucking myths and legends, 178 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:07.480 and the kelpie in particular, the water horse that seems 179 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:10.440 to show up in every region of Scotland, actually all 180 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.960 over the Celtic map. I love all of that. And here, 181 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:15.960 you know what, here's how I feel about Scotland. I 182 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:19.240 will recite a verse from mister Michael Scott, not the 183 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:21.480 guy from the office, but the lead singer of the 184 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:24.679 water Boys, who said that of his body, England is 185 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.519 the spine, the backbone, and the trunk. Scotland is his 186 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.639 dream in head, and Ireland is his heart, although his 187 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:33.720 Wales is his two hands held apart. I don't want 188 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:36.399 to leave out Whales. So anyway, Scotland is his dream andhead. 189 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:38.960 That's how I think about Scotland. It is airy and 190 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:42.960 wild and weird, and it is my goal to get there. 191 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.720 And so on some level, I'm going to be wired 192 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:51.360 to this movie more than I should just from scenery alone, 193 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:56.679 because something about seeing those stark, fucking landscapes really appeals 194 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:58.720 to me on some subatomic level. 195 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:03.000 A lot of cable news sweater is being worn by townsfolk, 196 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:04.080 and I. 197 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:06.159 Just tell you, can I just tell you that I 198 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:09.159 hate cable knit sweaters. I know certain people look great 199 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:11.559 in them, but I do not like them. And that 200 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:14.159 seems to be the one function of the UK that 201 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:15.240 I can really do with that. 202 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:18.720 Ted Danson looked pretty good in his cable knit sweater. 203 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:19.399 It's suited him. 204 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:21.879 Yes, all right, let's talk about this movie for a second. 205 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:24.240 Let's get into it. What's the movie about, HP, that's 206 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:24.720 your job. 207 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.120 So we started to talk about this. So Ted Danson 208 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:34.039 is Dempsey. He's this disgraced cryptozoologist who he's at the 209 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:36.799 end of his rope. He's got no money, he's barely 210 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:40.039 hanging on as a professor of some sort. His car 211 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:44.080 has fallen apart. His car's literally died on the freeway. 212 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:48.039 Speaking of death, this movie opens with a man standing 213 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:52.039 on the bank of the lock and getting startled as 214 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:54.679 he lifts a camera and then he falls over and 215 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:56.879 his cracks, his skull open and he dies. 216 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.360 I have a problem with that opening for the alone. 217 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:04.519 I have to say, because the whole look, putting aside 218 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:09.240 the advertising in the poster, which is a bit spoilerific, 219 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:12.840 if there's supposed to be this uncertainty over whether the 220 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:17.240 Lockness Monster actually exists. Within the first five minutes, when 221 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:21.039 you see this situation with this other researcher who dies 222 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:24.639 because something comes out of the lock startles and he 223 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.759 falls and dies after hitting his head, don't you think 224 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:31.279 it kills the uncertainty of the whole situation or are 225 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.919 we already meant to believe that it actually exists. 226 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:36.759 No, I didn't think it ruined the mystery, because in 227 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.279 my mind it could have been as most movies that 228 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:44.480 deal with the Lockness Monster him discovering the hoax and 229 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:47.879 then falling and dying, and then they could have just 230 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.200 as easily. By the end of this movie, that little 231 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.519 girl leads ted dancing into a cave where there's a 232 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:55.759 bunch of teenagers going, oh, no, you've given this away. 233 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:59.639 I wish I had that uncertainty held in my head, 234 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:02.679 but I couldn't help. Maybe it's because it was tainted 235 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:06.960 by the posters and by the trailer, because it basically 236 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:08.919 gives that part of it away. But let's put that 237 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:12.320 aside for a moment. So there's this other researcher that's 238 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:17.039 been on at Scotland researching this. He's died. So Harris 239 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:20.519 Eulen plays I guess the dean of the college that 240 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:26.159 Ted Danson is teaching at, and he basically gives him 241 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:30.039 the assignment to go and give definitive proof that the 242 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:35.000 Lockness Monster does or doesn't exist, knowing that, and Dempsey 243 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.000 resists this. He doesn't want to go, but he has 244 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:38.879 no choice. He's at the end of his like I said, 245 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:41.080 he's at the end of his rope here. He's got 246 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:44.159 no other alternatives. He's already a laughing stock because, as 247 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:48.879 you said, he had a famous, infamous expedition to find 248 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.879 Bigfoot that yielded nothing, but somehow it actually made it 249 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.960 made his name encryptid circles, but it didn't do wonders 250 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:00.000 for his career, quite the opposite. So, with no alternative, 251 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:04.879 if he goes to Lockness to try and figure out 252 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:07.440 if the Lockness Monster is real or if he's not, 253 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:11.799 and he runs a foul of all the locals, all 254 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.440 the typical predictable things you would expect from a sort 255 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:19.039 of a romantic comedy, bent happened to him here, and 256 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:22.159 that's the basic. I won't go into the details. We'll 257 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.440 get into the details, but that's the broad stroke of 258 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:25.720 what has to happen. 259 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:27.960 Let's get into some of those details. Actually, let's just 260 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:32.000 get into the cast if we could, because here's something 261 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:37.000 that I found really admirable in this film. Ordinarily, when 262 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:39.799 you start a movie with the broke down character who 263 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:43.159 gets thrust into some career that they have no business 264 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:45.960 being in or no interest being, and then they find 265 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:49.600 both rejuvenation in the activity and in their own life, 266 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.720 that's across the board. That was all the nineties, right. 267 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.759 We saw this type of story a thousand times. This 268 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:58.960 is the one where I looked at ted Dance and 269 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:04.039 then went, Yep, he's broken down and very unpleasant. This 270 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:09.440 character is a prick and he's unlikable, and Ted Danson 271 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:14.480 ted to dancing. Sam Malone manages to pull off what 272 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:17.840 a dick he is, so by the time he starts 273 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:21.960 coming around, I actually believe that as opposed to ninety 274 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:24.440 nine percent of these type of movies where they're just 275 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:26.240 telling us what a prick it is and it's yeah, 276 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:28.000 but it's the sweet cuddly guy from all the other 277 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:29.080 sweet cuddly movies. 278 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:32.600 There's two reasons why I knew that he could play 279 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:35.600 a believable prick. One of them is, do you remember 280 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:39.240 he had a show called Becker where that was his stees. 281 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:43.039 In that show, he was basically an unlikable, crotchety guy. 282 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:45.840 I never watched the show, but I was familiar with 283 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:46.279 the character. 284 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:48.639 But I bet he was. I bet he was crotchety 285 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:52.200 and unlikable the way Archie Bunker was. There's an underlying 286 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.720 like lilt of we love this guy ted Dance at 287 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:57.720 the beginning of this movie, I really don't like when 288 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:00.480 he's in the room with Harris Yulin and he's he's begging. 289 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.159 Obviously I ain't doing this. I'm with Harris Ulan. I'm like, good, 290 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:05.279 fuck off. Don't then sure? 291 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:07.160 By the way, the other reason why I knew he 292 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:10.160 could play a believable jerk is because he was so 293 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:13.880 great at playing a jerk version of himself on Curb 294 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:16.799 Your Enthusiasm for twelve seasons, So I knew that he 295 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.880 could be. He's Ted Danson, so we're pre programmed to 296 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:22.960 like him because of Sam Malone and so forth. Creep 297 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:25.039 show in Your case, I'm sure you have a lot 298 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:28.400 of affection there for him, but that part of it 299 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.960 that was great. But what I thought was amusing was 300 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:35.440 somehow he like they gave him the hairdo from Lethal Weapon, 301 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.599 the Martin Riggs haird the Mel Gibson, which is a 302 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.359 little weird, but you're right. And the thing that I 303 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:43.720 also want to talk about in terms of Harris Eulen, 304 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:47.400 who plays, like I said, his superior, is one thing 305 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:49.759 the movie avoided, which would have been so easy not 306 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:53.519 to is typically in these kinds of situations, the superior 307 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:57.519 who directs their underlaying to do something can come off 308 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:01.319 as a real asshole, and you're secretly rooting for them 309 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:05.920 to fail. But honestly, Harris Eulen plays this character. He's 310 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:09.279 very nice, he's very tolerant. He only seems to have 311 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.680 the best interest of the research at heart. I really 312 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:15.200 that I loved about this, At least at the start. 313 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:19.920 He recognized that Ted dance AND's Dempsey character is going nowhere. 314 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:22.920 He really is the laughing stock and he's not going 315 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:26.799 to be able to be hired by any other university 316 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:29.599 for research or otherwise, and this is his only shot, 317 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:34.000 and he keeps hanging in until he accepts it. He 318 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:39.759 starts making plans for his tickets for the plane flight over, 319 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:43.119 while Ted Danson is still saying, No, it's great. It's 320 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:45.240 a great bit of business. It's a great bit of characterization. 321 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:49.079 It's very funny. But I appreciated that they didn't make 322 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:53.240 him like another antagonist for the main character to deal with. 323 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:54.720 He was actually very reasonable. 324 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.920 I thought he's rooting for him. He seems an actual friend. 325 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:02.240 Imagine that. Yeah, as opposed to I'm thinking of summer 326 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:06.119 school in particular, with the principal that you're mister shup 327 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.680 I needed a teach summer school. Yeah. 328 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:12.799 Too often those kinds of characters are it's a means 329 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.799 to an end. They know that the main character will fail, 330 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.319 and they're banking on the fact that they will fail. 331 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:21.440 But in this case, it's the deact opposite, and I 332 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:22.359 found that refreshing. 333 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:26.079 Okay, before we get to Jolie Richardson, Ian Holme and 334 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:28.920 James Frain, I want to talk about Nick Brimble. 335 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:31.599 Let's talk about him. I was delighted to see Nick 336 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:33.319 Brimble in this me too. 337 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.880 I love Nick Brimble. Right around this time period, right 338 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:39.640 around the late eighties, early nineties, he seemed to have 339 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:42.519 this crazy renaissance. I know, this is this movie a 340 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:45.079 little bit later, this is like ninety six. Nevertheless, it's 341 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.160 still in that time period. I remember him first. I 342 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:53.839 remember first seeing him in Frankenstein Unbound, Roger Corman's last 343 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:56.279 feature film that I happened to see in the theater 344 00:19:56.319 --> 00:19:59.400 where he played the monster and they had a crazy, 345 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.759 unus usual tank on the monster and he's really good 346 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:05.160 in it. And then the next thing is he's in 347 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:08.039 the fucking piece of that Robin Hood movie. He's fucking 348 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:11.880 little John in the Robinhood Prince of Thieves movie, which 349 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:14.640 they were competing Robinhood movies. Remember that at the time. 350 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:17.480 There was also there was one with Luma Thurman and 351 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:19.119 Patrick Bergen. 352 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:21.799 I forgot about that one. 353 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:24.079 Was remember they were both being mounted at the same time, 354 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:26.720 and then the Kevin Costa wan really started taking off 355 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:29.839 and bringing all the heat. So the Patrick Bergan one 356 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:32.440 still got shot, but it got relegated to television and 357 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:35.359 it came out like about a month before the Kevin 358 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:37.920 Costner won an attempt to circumvent it in some way. 359 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:41.000 I thought there's movie. I thought both of those movies 360 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:41.680 were garbage. 361 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.920 By the way, I my biggest memory of him was 362 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:49.359 from Robinhood Little John. He has this sort of beatific face, 363 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:54.559 this incredible smile, these awesome, these brilliant eyes. He's just 364 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:58.759 such a friendly, warm, cajoling presence. 365 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:01.359 I love that about him as Little John. Didn't he 366 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:03.759 look like an ewok, like a cuddly ewok baby. 367 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:08.799 You could have easily seen him playing Hagrid in an 368 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:11.359 alternate universe version of Harry Potter. 369 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:14.759 Like, oh my god, he'd be a great Hagrid because 370 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:17.319 he would have a bit of more menace than Robbie 371 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:20.680 Coltrane is not capable of menace. He is, but not really. 372 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:24.359 He would be kidding ultimately, Nick Brimble, you would believe 373 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:25.279 he would fucking hurt you. 374 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:28.000 Yeah. Yeah. But so I saw him and I'm like, 375 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:29.720 what do I know that guy from? And then when 376 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:31.839 I put two and two together, I was really warmed 377 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:33.920 by his presence, by a lot of the presence that 378 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:36.000 a lot of the actors. I had the same reaction to. 379 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:40.720 James Frayne is the contact there, the young believer, the 380 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:44.759 young researcher. I know James Frayne mainly for a few 381 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.960 seasons he was on Gotham playing Azrael, one of the 382 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:52.599 fucking villain, one of one of the Rogues Gallery villains Gallivan. 383 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:55.000 I think that the villain's name is He was great 384 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:57.880 in that, and then on top of that, he ends 385 00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:02.640 up playing Sarah on Star Discovery, so he's now fucking 386 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:07.680 Spock's dad and great like the best one since original 387 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:08.319 Mark Leonard. 388 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:12.440 He looked so familiar to me. I couldn't put my 389 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.000 finger on who the actor was or what he was in. 390 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.119 To be honest, I wasn't overly familiar with his catalog 391 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:20.920 or with his roles. But what I was surprised to see. 392 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:23.240 The thing that I was surprised most by was he 393 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:28.039 played a character named Jarvis in the Tron sequel Tron Legacy. 394 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:31.880 He is the assistant to the Jeff Bridges evil character 395 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:35.480 who has he's balled with the screen that's omnipresently and 396 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:38.720 over his face. He's like the slimy lackey who tries 397 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:42.640 to help the evil Jeff Bridges do his thing. Looks 398 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:45.759 nothing like he does in this, of course, but what 399 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:48.160 range the guy has to hear that he was in Gotham. 400 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:48.799 That's crazy. 401 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:52.680