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<v Speaker 1>Yo, what's up everybody. We got a big night tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>We're covering the Parallax via the nineteen seventy four film

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<v Speaker 1>and we got a special guest to help me cover

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<v Speaker 1>this tonight. Everybody knows Jay What's up? Here's Jay Dyer

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<v Speaker 1>from Jay's Analysis. What's going on? Jay?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up?

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<v Speaker 1>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Glad to be back with you. This is a conspiracy

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<v Speaker 2>classic once again, just like Network that I never did

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<v Speaker 2>really break down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well you brought it up on the Actually when

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<v Speaker 1>we did Network last time, you brought this one up.

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<v Speaker 1>And also the term future shot came up, which is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because Warren Batty says that in the film, and

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<v Speaker 1>this one comes, you know, people, I'm sure people have

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<v Speaker 1>seen this. That they haven't seen it, then we've done

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<v Speaker 1>their homework for them. But this one comes obviously in

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of there's a bunch of seventies conspiracy films

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<v Speaker 1>and there are a few of them are directed by

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<v Speaker 1>this same director, and the cinematographer also worked on a

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<v Speaker 1>few of them, and so Network All the President's Men Telephone,

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<v Speaker 1>I covered the conversation cinematographer did the Godfather Godfather Part

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<v Speaker 1>two Apocalypse now is in there. There's all these films,

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<v Speaker 1>So where do you want to start with this one?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's it's of course extremely relevant right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the most obvious thing is that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of nods that I didn't recognize until I

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<v Speaker 2>watched it this time. There's a lot of nods to

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<v Speaker 2>the JFK stuff. And I mean we made a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of notes on this because Jimmy and I watched this

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<v Speaker 2>maybe two or three years ago, so I dug out

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<v Speaker 2>my notes and we just rewatched it and noticed, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit that I didn't notice. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>now that when when he gets to you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>South and he's dealing with the with the good old boys,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of this I think is references to elements

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, people thinking that elite oil people were

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<v Speaker 2>involved in the JFK assassination, Texas, Big Texas, Uh, Dixie

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<v Speaker 2>mafia people might have been involved in that. So there

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<v Speaker 2>were some nods to things that I didn't catch the

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<v Speaker 2>first time around, but really relevant, I guess now after

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<v Speaker 2>you know, two weeks ago with Trump. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>would just kick it off by saying, yeah, it's in

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<v Speaker 2>this vein of seventies conspiracy movies, and I just went

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<v Speaker 2>through a couple of other seventies conspiracy movies too that

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<v Speaker 2>have been kind of forgotten. Demon Seed is interesting. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not relevant to what we're talking about, but Demon Seed

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<v Speaker 2>is a Dean Koontz Crowley based film or story, and

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<v Speaker 2>that one deals with like the new birth of a

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<v Speaker 2>new aon through the birth of Antichrist, who's a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of android figure. But this is more so again like

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<v Speaker 2>MK Ultra, I couldn't think of that. There's a few

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<v Speaker 2>other seventies stuff that's worth mentioning to you. In the

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<v Speaker 2>early eighties, I don't know if you've ever seen Looker.

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<v Speaker 2>Looker's a good yeah, MK Ultra. It's a little later,

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<v Speaker 2>early eighties, but there were a few of these MK

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<v Speaker 2>culture based films at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. This one also deals with the Journalist, right, the

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<v Speaker 1>consummate seventies journalist, which I rewatching, especially rewatching a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times. I have questions about watching the movie because

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing that they always do, I mean, all

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<v Speaker 1>the President's Men is probably the best example of that. Or,

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<v Speaker 1>of course Three Days of the Condor. I covered six

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<v Speaker 1>Days of the Condor here, and the Three Days of

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<v Speaker 1>the Condor film the book and the film, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course the end of that one is interesting because Robert Redford,

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of the only movies that was allowed access

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<v Speaker 1>into the Big nine place in New York and it

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<v Speaker 1>ends with that, and of course he's walking out saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm gonna expose everybody. I'm gonna take this

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<v Speaker 1>to the New York Times, and they say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you know they're going to print it all

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<v Speaker 1>the Presidents men. Of course is based in DC, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know is there are many scenes in the bullpen.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's interesting about this is that you can watch

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<v Speaker 1>this movie. It's kind of a straight movie and you

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<v Speaker 1>you you realize that you're watching Warren Batty and it's

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<v Speaker 1>very seventies and he's this journalist on the on the

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<v Speaker 1>hunt for what happened at the scene at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the film. But then I noticed that every time

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<v Speaker 1>he goes to talk to Hume Cronin, who's his boss,

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<v Speaker 1>in the bullpen, like there's no one there, it's just him.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm starting to thinking like, is this some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of form of handler that he has, This all some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of you know, is this all synthetic? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>just a show? And that kind of plays it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't you know, I think you can watch the

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<v Speaker 1>movie a few different ways, but there's so many elements

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<v Speaker 1>in this movie that that really tie into the I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like the scene. This is nineteen seventy four, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>after Clockwork Orange, but there's a very Clockwork Orange.

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<v Speaker 2>MK ultra yea method basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but even that's different than than Clockwork Orange because

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<v Speaker 1>when you watch Clockwork Orange and you're watching the scene

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<v Speaker 1>where he's going through the Loutovico method, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>we the audience, are watching what he's watching and then

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<v Speaker 1>we're watching him watching it. But this we see him

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<v Speaker 1>from far away and we are kind of getting it's

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<v Speaker 1>like we're supposed to be going through the Ludovico method

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<v Speaker 1>because it's they're just showing the screen. It's very it's

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<v Speaker 1>really bizarre. So if anybody doesn't know what the movie's about,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens is basically just in a nutshell is that

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<v Speaker 1>we have it. We're in Seattle. The movie starts, we

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<v Speaker 1>see the space needle, We go up the space needle.

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<v Speaker 1>Warren Beatty is there and there's a I guess a

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<v Speaker 1>presidential candidate named Charles Carroll of all things. Charles Carroll's

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<v Speaker 1>up there and there's waiters there in the restaurant at

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<v Speaker 1>the Space Needle, and almost right away he gets unalived.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we find out we cut three years later

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<v Speaker 1>and we have this scene where Warren Batty like forces

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<v Speaker 1>his way into these people's house. He ends up at

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<v Speaker 1>a police station. Then he gets confronted by one of

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<v Speaker 1>the reporters who was there and says basically that everybody

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<v Speaker 1>that was at the event has been smoked. Everybody's going

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<v Speaker 1>she's in fear for a life. Warren Baby is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of playing the normy role here. He doesn't you know.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, ah, it's nothing, and then it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>that she is like the next day. So then this

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<v Speaker 1>sets him on a path of trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. He goes through meeting various people. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>tries to infiltrate his way into a corporation. He finds

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<v Speaker 1>a leaflet inside of a deputy's desk or a sheriff's

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<v Speaker 1>desk that says the Parallax Corporation. He tries to infiltrate

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<v Speaker 1>his way into this. He goes through the Ludovico method.

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<v Speaker 1>He ends up as a guy that he thinks he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to expose how the corporations or there's some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of corporate way of playing into an assassination squad or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. And then fast forward to the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie and we have a gigant like a

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<v Speaker 1>gigantic civic center where there's another candidate, and then Warren

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<v Speaker 1>finds himself up in the rafters and the the great

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<v Speaker 1>twist in the movie spoiler, the great twist in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie is that he's up in the rafters, he looks down,

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<v Speaker 1>he sees a rifle. The guy gets smoked. Warren baby

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<v Speaker 1>tries to run out, and then he realized, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's gone. And then we realized that he's been

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of unwinning Patsy and he's the guy blamed

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<v Speaker 1>for it. And probably the the best part of the

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<v Speaker 1>movie is the fact that it's bookended by the the

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<v Speaker 1>the board, the government board who's investigating it. The movie

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<v Speaker 1>begins after the first scene. It begins with we're closing

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<v Speaker 1>in on this kind of Council of six, just like

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<v Speaker 1>the Watergate.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a Warren Commission.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Warren Commission, And they are and they are

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<v Speaker 1>saying that this is a there's no questions. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a statement here. We're making a statement. We've we've found

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<v Speaker 1>the guy. He was a lone nut, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>The end of the movie is the same guys and

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<v Speaker 1>they've said the same thing, but now it's Warren Batty

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<v Speaker 1>and they pull away, and so we're we're giving a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of glance into the system and then we're taken

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<v Speaker 1>back out of it. So yeah, go ahead, No, you're

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead. Well, I was gonna say that the movie

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<v Speaker 1>is is so crazy because the one thing about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and not to get too into the way that the

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<v Speaker 1>movie is shot, but one thing about the seventies movies

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<v Speaker 1>that's different from the from for instance, the seventies. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you've talked about this so much. The seventies had like

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<v Speaker 1>this whole lineage of conspiracy movies. The eighties it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dormant. And then the nineties again we get a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of conspiracy movies, you know, conspiracy theory, we get

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<v Speaker 1>we get the Will Smith movie. Then we go into

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<v Speaker 1>the late nineties with you know, ending with big sort

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<v Speaker 1>of glimpses into Illuminate, Confirm. But the difference in these

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<v Speaker 1>movies is that there's a kind of tonal difference. So

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies movies deal with kind of obvious post Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 1>post Watergate sort of paranoia, and the nineties, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is very pre nine, a post Cold War. But the

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<v Speaker 1>difference in the way that the movies look is that

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties movies are usually cut. They're like jump cuts.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you know, technology is coming and and we we're

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<v Speaker 1>always moving fast with the characters. But the seventies movies

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<v Speaker 1>are dominated by the framing and the scenes. So like

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<v Speaker 1>the very first scene of this movie, it opens and

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<v Speaker 1>we see this gigantic totem ball and we're looking like

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking up at it, and then the total we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the camera moves, and then we see the

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<v Speaker 1>space needle, and then we see these characters like rising

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<v Speaker 1>into the sky. And every shot in this movie is

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<v Speaker 1>dominated by like the like encroaching. There's nature, there's encroaching buildings,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like big steel walls. There's the scene of the dam,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess what that's trying to show us is

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<v Speaker 1>that we're getting this glimpse into this thing and the

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<v Speaker 1>people are very small and the system is huge. So

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<v Speaker 1>like if the scene if we're looking at the scene here,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the person is down here and all of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff is building or dam or or whatever we have,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's it reminds me of those like Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>paintings of like the guys that are very small in

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<v Speaker 1>the waves or nature are very big, but instead of nature.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's parallax too, right. I mean the name of

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<v Speaker 2>the film itself, Parallax has to do with the way

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<v Speaker 2>that things appear different depending upon your vantage point of

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<v Speaker 2>your perspective. And I think there's multiple things going on

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<v Speaker 2>because the corporation is called, you know, the Mega Corp.

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<v Speaker 2>Is kind of like a big Holdings corp Black rock

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<v Speaker 2>type of thing. It's called the Parallax Corporation or entity.

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<v Speaker 2>And they also change and control your perspective. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a play on this idea of things being

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<v Speaker 2>controlled based on perspective. And if Parallax can control your perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>they can control your interpretation of reality. I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>some quote from Kissing or something to that effect where

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<v Speaker 2>it says we don't have to control reality, we just

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<v Speaker 2>have to control the perception of reality. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's point of this corporation. This excuse me, this mega

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<v Speaker 2>mega entity, and it has this fingers like an octopus

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<v Speaker 2>octazon on fingers. But you know what I'm saying, like,

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<v Speaker 2>even human engineering. So human engineering is the division that

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<v Speaker 2>the film is concerned with, because, as you pointed out,

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<v Speaker 2>Warren Beatty is kind of stumbling down this rabbit hole

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<v Speaker 2>of accidentally discovering what all's really going on, and it

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a privatized Chaultra. So they've got some technique

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<v Speaker 2>by which they break down individuals that they've profiled that

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<v Speaker 2>have antisocial, sociopathic, psychopathic tendencies, and that makes them a

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, the problems that Warren Baty's having in

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<v Speaker 2>his life as a journalist, he's you know, third rate.

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<v Speaker 2>They say, he's you know, struggling look at for money,

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<v Speaker 2>he can't keep a girlfriend, he keeps you know, losing

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<v Speaker 2>his girlfriends. They keep saying, oh, you're perfect for this program.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to be in the security detail. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>you're made for because you don't. You're not like other people.

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<v Speaker 2>And they play on his vanity, right, They they butter

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<v Speaker 2>him up and say, did you ever consider that it's

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<v Speaker 2>not you this the problem, but it really is everyone else, right,

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<v Speaker 2>That guy butters his A corporate handler guy butters him up,

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<v Speaker 2>and they eventually get him into this. But I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>way ahead of myself, but yeah, I think you're right

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<v Speaker 2>that the camera plays a trick with perspective. Like you said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it pans over and you see the space needle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's far away, but they kind of look like the

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting. Keep in that scene with the guy

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<v Speaker 1>a pan when he's when he's doing that, he goes

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<v Speaker 1>inside the apartment and we I'm skipping forward here, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're inside of his shitty apartment. I mean, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's a little there's a little kitchenette right there,

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<v Speaker 1>He later comes in and the guy's lying on his

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<v Speaker 1>And and there's the great scene which I'll come back to,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a great scene where he he reaches out

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<v Speaker 1>guy he's in license to kill, you know, he like

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<v Speaker 1>runs the whatever. He goes into this uh, this obvious

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know what it is, like a Jose

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<v Speaker 1>Delgado facility, walking again. There's a monkey in there playing pong,

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<v Speaker 1>and he shows him the the the list of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the test for the Parallax Corporation. You you'll make a

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<v Speaker 1>great fit. And he's like, do you think you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell me how to take this test and answer, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a psychopath And the guy literally goes, We'll just

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<v Speaker 1>have Jim Jim over here take it. Yeah, this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy you know, smoked his aunt and three other people,

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<v Speaker 1>He'll take it. And then the camera cuts over and

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<v Speaker 1>this guy like walks out of the back. Notice he

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<v Speaker 1>a threat to the chimp, right, The guy walks in

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy's like and he's like, yeah, we'll just

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Whitman or something, you know, he's he's the most cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>So the guy takes the test for him and answers

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<v Speaker 1>off the charts like this guy's the biggest psychopath you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever met. And then he But the question is like,

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<v Speaker 1>is this part of it is this is even the

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<v Speaker 1>way that he goes about this part of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Because if, as you pointed out, we wonder and

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<v Speaker 2>this time watching it through, I think what happens is

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<v Speaker 2>you want a new vantage point again to play on

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<v Speaker 2>the title of the film, because if you know the ending,

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<v Speaker 2>then you want to go back and say, well, so,

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<v Speaker 2>how far we're they actually profiling Warren Batty as a

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<v Speaker 2>suitable candidate or recruit. And it's entirely possible, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>to read it as if it was it was early on,

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<v Speaker 2>because he tells the story as you mentioned later on

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<v Speaker 2>that oh I was, you know, partying one time and

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<v Speaker 2>I was drunk and yeah, you know, I ended up

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<v Speaker 2>running around somehow with my clothes off, and some woman

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<v Speaker 2>claimed that I was a you know, tally whagger or

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<v Speaker 2>wagger or whatever they call it, a willy willy wagger

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<v Speaker 2>whatever they call it in the movie. And he says

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<v Speaker 2>that ruined my career. And then he says, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sure somebody put something in my drink, which suggests

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<v Speaker 2>again that perhaps he had been uh, they had orchestrated

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<v Speaker 2>this to get him into this position where he couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>find good work and employment as a journalist anymore, and

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<v Speaker 2>he would be this candidate. And it is the case,

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<v Speaker 2>as his ex girlfriend points out at the beginning, that

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<v Speaker 2>he kind of is a selfish guy, like he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really care. She points that out, She's like, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>really care. He's like, well, you know whatever. He's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just aloof and apathetic. But then when she dies,

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<v Speaker 2>he seems to be more concerned because then he starts

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<v Speaker 2>wondering if something really is going on. And I like

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that a lot of these seventies movies promoted.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is like coming after Watergay Woodward Bernstein stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We are sold on the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that.

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<v Speaker 2>In the seventies or even in the sixties, right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>like the height of intrepid journalists who are out there,

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<v Speaker 2>ready to get the scoop at all costs, and the

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<v Speaker 2>truth comes first. They're willing to die, they'll lose it

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<v Speaker 2>all just to get the story, to expose the baddies

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<v Speaker 2>and to get the word out. And now I think

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<v Speaker 2>it is solidified in everyone's mind, this this idea, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>maybe in the sixties and seventies, of the role of

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<v Speaker 2>the journalist as the fourth estate. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they could have had that role without movies propping them up.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is I mean, we're ess interiesally because

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<v Speaker 2>nowadays we're living at the end of the fourth estate,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, legacy mainline journalism is literally dying before

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<v Speaker 2>our eyes. In the last several years. Their numbers are tanking.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's interesting to see the propaganda in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventies that the journalist is out there, you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>get the scoop at all costs. He's willing to even die,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to expose somebody, assassinating some politician, And of

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<v Speaker 2>course that's not the truth about journalists at all. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a side note, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, also, you know, his his boss Hume Cronin,

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<v Speaker 1>who was this you know, old older Hollywood actor even

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<v Speaker 1>in this movie early seventies, he's like one hundred years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Has this counterpoint to the Jason Robard's character and all

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<v Speaker 1>the presidents men in that film. Woodward Bernstein's boss seems,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he seems to be on the surface at least,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's running he's running the post or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is, and he's you know, off, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>you got to find the evidence. And it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>straight up journalist. He's the editor and he's pushing them

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<v Speaker 1>and they're off doing their their shenanigans and their journalistic

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<v Speaker 1>work and all this stuff. But in this movie, it's

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<v Speaker 1>different because it's much more local and you go in

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's just one boss in there. There's one

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<v Speaker 1>scene at the beginning where they go in there's like

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<v Speaker 1>two guys in a kind of in a mirror, but

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<v Speaker 1>in the rest of it, there's nobody in the office.

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<v Speaker 1>And he takes like an unnatural ownership of his character,

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<v Speaker 1>like he's a handler. He you know, he's he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>offering him money. He has the money in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the envelope, he talks about his personal life. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we gave you another chance. You know, you're best described

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<v Speaker 1>as what does he say, like a hostile misfit before

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<v Speaker 1>he before he goes on later to say that he

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<v Speaker 1>has you know, blatant andy social behavior meet, which means

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like to put up with people who are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to fuck with me or whatever he says later

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<v Speaker 1>on in the movie. But with the human cronin Boss

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<v Speaker 1>is almost like this father figure. And the weird thing

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<v Speaker 1>about this movie is again that I think when you

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<v Speaker 1>first watch it, you're so even if people are young

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<v Speaker 1>and they are watching it and they don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>Warren Batty is, if they don't know the lore of

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<v Speaker 1>Warren Bady or whatever, you watch the movie and you go,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is. You know, he's obviously a movie star.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a striking guy. And part of the seventies thing

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<v Speaker 1>is you watch him and you feel like you're watching

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<v Speaker 1>Warren Baty play a role. But on a rewatch, you

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<v Speaker 1>watch the movie and you go, I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>watching a guy playing Warren Baty playing a role like that.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't he doesn't have that many lines in the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>He does weird things. He doesn't his personal life is

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<v Speaker 1>very strange. He's like living in a motel and it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like am I missing something? And then by the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the movie you kind of figure that out.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like you were saying, you sort of start

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<v Speaker 1>to think, is this guy somebody else? The whole time,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he looks like a normal guy in the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>but he also looks like a bomb at times, he

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<v Speaker 1>looks like a you know, he just he looks he

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<v Speaker 1>looks at the beginning, actually the first scene in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie where you see him is before. Okay, so the

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<v Speaker 1>movie opens, you see the the totem pole, you see

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<v Speaker 1>the space needle, and then you wait for this weird

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<v Speaker 1>like parade typical probably you know, political parade. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>these Indonesians are dancing. And then you see this guy

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<v Speaker 1>come on a fire truck like like Daniel da Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>and gangs in New York or something, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I love Fourth of July. And then when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at it, when we're looking side on and he goes

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<v Speaker 1>up to be interviewed by the lady with the short

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<v Speaker 1>hair who's baby's friend. Later you see Warren Bady in

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<v Speaker 1>the background. He's behind like ten people, so he's not

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<v Speaker 1>even in the he's not in the forefront. He's in

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<v Speaker 1>the background of all these people. You see the guy

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the foreground with the glasses on, the

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<v Speaker 1>Austin Talker character. You see the lady. You're like, people

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<v Speaker 1>are milling around, but you're like, what's this guy milling

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<v Speaker 1>around in the background. And then when you rewatch the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, this is this is an assassination. It's clearly

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<v Speaker 1>about to happen with kind of sketchy characters in the background,

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<v Speaker 1>but Warren Batty's one of them. And then when they

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<v Speaker 1>go up into the space needles, what's interesting is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's very quick. It's it almost happens right away. We

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<v Speaker 1>the handoff with the tray, which doesn't like make sense

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of continuity, because we see we see the

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<v Speaker 1>actual assassin's face, which is clearly him. I mean like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a post here and he kind of he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like comes out from behind this post. You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's clearly the guy. And then they we watch the

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<v Speaker 1>assassination take place from the little balcony outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>glass so first we're inside of the thing, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know that I know that the Gordon Willis, the guy

414
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<v Speaker 1>who photographed the movie, said that what he liked about

415
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<v Speaker 1>what he did with these movies was like, you can

416
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<v Speaker 1>see the city scape, you can see Seattle in the background,

417
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<v Speaker 1>but we're supposed to be concentrating on the characters in

418
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<v Speaker 1>the foreground, but they're kind of shadowed, and so the

419
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<v Speaker 1>exposure is is like, Hi, we see the outside, we

420
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<v Speaker 1>don't see their their faces, and then all of a sudden,

421
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<v Speaker 1>we go to the outside and we're looking into the

422
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<v Speaker 1>space needle through the glass. And he said in an

423
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<v Speaker 1>interview they asked him like, w what did you do

424
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<v Speaker 1>this for artistic effect? And he said, well, like he

425
00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:08.680
<v Speaker 1>was an older Hollywood guy, He's like, well, listen, the

426
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<v Speaker 1>whole point of this, you know, is that if I'm

427
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<v Speaker 1>doing a movie and I'm gonna shoot the movie and

428
00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:16.799
<v Speaker 1>they say, all right, we need fifteen cuts here in

429
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<v Speaker 1>this scene, that I cut the cuts. So basically, I say,

430
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<v Speaker 1>we can get this done in three And the only

431
00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:25.559
<v Speaker 1>reason he did the glass was for effect, because because

432
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<v Speaker 1>it allowed for when he got shot, for him to

433
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<v Speaker 1>streak down the glass and see the bloodstain. But he

434
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<v Speaker 1>said all the intellectual interpretation comes later from other people,

435
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<v Speaker 1>which is an interesting way to think about artists doing this.

436
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<v Speaker 1>But what it shows this is that we're like looking

437
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<v Speaker 1>in through we're looking through the looking glass on this

438
00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:45.440
<v Speaker 1>thing that's happened on the inside, and all of a

439
00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.440
<v Speaker 1>sudden things start to change in terms of continuity. Because

440
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.839
<v Speaker 1>when they chase the waiter, who is one of the

441
00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:55.720
<v Speaker 1>guys with the gun that later happens with Beatty, he runs,

442
00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:58.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, after the assassination, and he runs on top

443
00:22:58.240 --> 00:22:59.799
<v Speaker 1>of the space needle and they chase him. There's a

444
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<v Speaker 1>great scene where he's on top and then they he

445
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:05.440
<v Speaker 1>falls and he trips and falls and falls off, gives

446
00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.720
<v Speaker 1>a will A Wilhelm scream. But it doesn't make sense

447
00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:11.400
<v Speaker 1>because we were just on the balcony. So there's a

448
00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.039
<v Speaker 1>balcony here and then the space theedles, So if he

449
00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.119
<v Speaker 1>fell off, he fall onto the balcony, but we assume

450
00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:20.200
<v Speaker 1>that he falls off like into space. He falls off

451
00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:22.559
<v Speaker 1>into the ground. But the whole point of that, I

452
00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:26.319
<v Speaker 1>think is that, like you said, like our our perspective

453
00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:30.200
<v Speaker 1>is distorted by events we don't know. We can't believe

454
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<v Speaker 1>our lying eyes, and even though there's clearly two guys

455
00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:36.319
<v Speaker 1>with the gun there, everybody's just gonna remember the one guy.

456
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<v Speaker 1>There's even in that scene, there's even a woman in

457
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<v Speaker 1>a polka dot dress. It's RFK r L. Later and

458
00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:47.680
<v Speaker 1>all of the people that are that are there start

459
00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:51.039
<v Speaker 1>to get start to disappear, and when they go through

460
00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:53.880
<v Speaker 1>the list of people disappearing, I mean, it's exactly like JFK.

461
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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a news clipping and one of the

462
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<v Speaker 2>names that's listed as sir Han. I'm not I don't

463
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<v Speaker 2>know if the reference to, but it was probably there intentionally,

464
00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:06.960
<v Speaker 2>just as a nod. And the same thing occurs with

465
00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:09.680
<v Speaker 2>the way they play with the lighting when the handler

466
00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:12.440
<v Speaker 2>comes to his apartment and sells him on coming to

467
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<v Speaker 2>do the security stuff. At that point is basically you

468
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:19.680
<v Speaker 2>can't see his face, and so he's essentially become not

469
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<v Speaker 2>He has no identity, You can't identify him anymore, and

470
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<v Speaker 2>so that you're right to point out that he was

471
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<v Speaker 2>probably profile because they saw him as a person at

472
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:32.079
<v Speaker 2>a breaking point who was really lost with no identity.

473
00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:35.319
<v Speaker 2>The corporation will give you an identity, will tell you

474
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<v Speaker 2>that you're, you know, the fittest hit man out there, Right,

475
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:43.920
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna get a Hitman of the Month award. Yeah,

476
00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:48.240
<v Speaker 2>you're a special person. So and they saw him on that.

477
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<v Speaker 2>But I think the other elements, as you point out,

478
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:54.599
<v Speaker 2>is that this is a recurring motif that was already

479
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<v Speaker 2>making its way into film after multiple hits including JFKRK. Okay,

480
00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:06.039
<v Speaker 2>we're getting this recurring theme of the random loan shooter

481
00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:13.119
<v Speaker 2>who is a nut, right, the loan Gunman's it's being

482
00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:17.200
<v Speaker 2>criticized in the film as obviously not that not the case,

483
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<v Speaker 2>But as you pointed out, we're only we only know

484
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:24.640
<v Speaker 2>what the official story is of these events, and so

485
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.680
<v Speaker 2>that's the parallox view, which is that there are there

486
00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:32.680
<v Speaker 2>actually corporate merk squads that are hired by these cutout entities.

487
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<v Speaker 2>And the answer is yes. And in fact, in the

488
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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighties, the intelligence operations of this kind, these sort

489
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:41.559
<v Speaker 2>of black ops things, they get more and more privatized.

490
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:45.960
<v Speaker 2>There's a famous situation where Reagan privatized a lot of

491
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<v Speaker 2>the intelligence in the nineteen eighties and took it away

492
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:52.319
<v Speaker 2>from the more normal sort of CIA role of who

493
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.559
<v Speaker 2>would have been doing this in the fifties and sixties,

494
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:57.880
<v Speaker 2>even under JFK. They were moving more of this stuff

495
00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:01.119
<v Speaker 2>to be under the cover of NGA and other entities

496
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:04.599
<v Speaker 2>that weren't the classic sort of CIA, and let's you know,

497
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:08.000
<v Speaker 2>bring in a Green Beret sniper out of Vietnam to

498
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:10.079
<v Speaker 2>do this kind of stuff. Now it's turning into more

499
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:13.079
<v Speaker 2>and more of a privatized thing, and that's really probably

500
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:18.079
<v Speaker 2>the norm today is that this again it becomes prophetic

501
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.960
<v Speaker 2>in terms of how mercenaries and assassins would probably be

502
00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:27.640
<v Speaker 2>recruited nowadays. So it also reminds me of, you know,

503
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Dave McGowan's Program to Kill books because her book and

504
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.839
<v Speaker 2>then other other books that have touched on this, which

505
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.680
<v Speaker 2>is there's a you know, the Navy guy Thomas Narreutu

506
00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:42.160
<v Speaker 2>talked about the Navy recruiting psychopaths to be assassins a

507
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:46.640
<v Speaker 2>couple of decades ago, and the Phoenix program obviously is

508
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:48.799
<v Speaker 2>probably there's a nod probably to the Phenix program in

509
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:54.319
<v Speaker 2>this film, which was the William Colby plan during the

510
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:58.559
<v Speaker 2>Vietnam War to basically create psychopaths to terrorize the viet

511
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:02.359
<v Speaker 2>Cong to to win that conflict through terror. And then

512
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:05.480
<v Speaker 2>of course Dave McAllan theorizes that many of the some

513
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:08.640
<v Speaker 2>of the main serial killers that we know of might

514
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>have been part of that program because they were trucked

515
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:15.279
<v Speaker 2>off the Vietnam. They did involved themselves in doing LSD

516
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.319
<v Speaker 2>and other things, and so it's very possible. It's interesting

517
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>that there's not a lot of the drug emphasis in this,

518
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:22.559
<v Speaker 2>although he does say that one line that he thinks

519
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>they drugged him at a bar one time. But I

520
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 2>like that the method that they use is kind of ambiguous.

521
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 2>It's I mean, it's corny because you just see this

522
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:35.720
<v Speaker 2>screen that flashes a bunch of like depression era images

523
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:37.319
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sitting here thinking this is.

524
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Kind of a low energy, very low energy depressing mk

525
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:45.640
<v Speaker 3>ultra thing where it's like it flash's mother, father, me,

526
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.720
<v Speaker 3>home country, God, enemy, happiness, father and mother.

527
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:51.680
<v Speaker 2>They show you know, Soviets and Cold War stuff, they

528
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.200
<v Speaker 2>show Castro. So I'm thinking, well, this is really just

529
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of the manipulation of archetypes. So it's a very

530
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:02.759
<v Speaker 2>sanitized Ludovico method, because, as you pointed out in Kubrick's

531
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.759
<v Speaker 2>version of Ludovico method, you get like actual you know

532
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.000
<v Speaker 2>t O R t U R E. You get you know,

533
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>drugs presumably being given to to Alex. You get his

534
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.240
<v Speaker 2>eyes being forcibly kept open. You know, he has to

535
00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:21.960
<v Speaker 2>watch just horrendous things. This is a lot more tame,

536
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.799
<v Speaker 2>a lot more boring, and we don't really know what

537
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:28.119
<v Speaker 2>it is, but it's almost like, well, Warren Beatty is

538
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.519
<v Speaker 2>the monkey right when he first walked into that to

539
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:34.839
<v Speaker 2>the Parallax Corporation, and then he's watching the monkey play

540
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:40.279
<v Speaker 2>the video games, which again there's this there's a symbolic

541
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:44.240
<v Speaker 2>prophetic significance there that the technocratic elite are going to

542
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.920
<v Speaker 2>make mankind be like a bunch of monkeys playing video games.

543
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.279
<v Speaker 2>This is think of the viral video a few years

544
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:53.400
<v Speaker 2>ago where the monkey was just scrolling on his Instagram feed, right,

545
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.160
<v Speaker 2>and he couldn't stop. So that's where we are, and

546
00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Warren Beatty is the experimental test chump. Will be mind

547
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:05.680
<v Speaker 2>controlled too, or I mean, he's not explicitly mind controlled

548
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:08.640
<v Speaker 2>to be you know this like programmed assassin with trigger

549
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 2>codes like we often think of it, but it's enough

550
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.039
<v Speaker 2>of it that he's kind of nudged into being at

551
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:16.960
<v Speaker 2>the right place in the right time to be the Patsy.

552
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting because the thing with the monkey is,

553
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>you know they still show videos of monkeys like playing pong,

554
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 1>and they say, look, it's only a few years until

555
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like the movie's from nineteen seventy four

556
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:30.359
<v Speaker 1>and it's doing it in that And you're right that

557
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:34.799
<v Speaker 1>the rockwell asque like still picture version of this with

558
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 1>the awful song. I mean, it's almost like he's traumatized

559
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:40.799
<v Speaker 1>into the thing because the song is so bad. It's like,

560
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:44.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, Mother and Daddy and it's like this seventies

561
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of country Joe in the fish like country song playing.

562
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 1>I think I guess the point of that is that

563
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.319
<v Speaker 1>the difference between Alex undergoing this and him is that

564
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:56.279
<v Speaker 1>one we can't see Warren Baty's character undergoing it. He's

565
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:58.319
<v Speaker 1>far he's far away, just like we saw the court

566
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:01.240
<v Speaker 1>scene at the beginning with the bench and he just

567
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.160
<v Speaker 1>comes in and they say, you know, please sit down.

568
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:06.319
<v Speaker 1>He sits down willingly and watches this film which goes

569
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:09.039
<v Speaker 1>on for too long. But it's not like it's not

570
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.039
<v Speaker 1>like Alex in the Ludovico method, where Alex enjoys the

571
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I'm here to see the videos, you know,

572
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and he he's watching it and it's only it's actually

573
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>in that film. It's like you said, it's the combination

574
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of drugs, the eyes, the straight jacket, probably electro shock

575
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.440
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and they're not showing. And then the fact

576
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:31.279
<v Speaker 1>that they mix in all of the imagery with with

577
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:35.799
<v Speaker 1>a replay of crimes that he himself has done. So

578
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.799
<v Speaker 1>so it's like it's supposed to hit him and it's

579
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.279
<v Speaker 1>not until they add the auditory element. With Beethoven, it's

580
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.839
<v Speaker 1>like his programming, his programming code. But I sort of

581
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:49.279
<v Speaker 1>contrasted that with there's a I read this book on

582
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:52.319
<v Speaker 1>Mangola and it talks about the you know, some of

583
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.359
<v Speaker 1>the and and he and Klaus Barbie both did this

584
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.480
<v Speaker 1>in World War two, you know, and they get they hired. So, see,

585
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:01.519
<v Speaker 1>I hired Klaus Barbie because at the end of the

586
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>war for people, for the folks at home, people did

587
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 1>not know that at the end of the war, when

588
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the Allies were looking for, you know, somebody to deal

589
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>with their new enemy, who better to deal with it

590
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:16.119
<v Speaker 1>than the guy who was tasked with, you know, infiltrating

591
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:20.680
<v Speaker 1>or or finding you know, breaking communists, I suppose. So

592
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that Klaus Barbie did was when

593
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>they when they wanted to find out information or whatever.

594
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>They snatched a guy. It's just like Phoenix program. When

595
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.119
<v Speaker 1>they snatched a guy. What they did was they asked

596
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>him a bunch of questions and the guy would you know,

597
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.960
<v Speaker 1>he would lie or whatever, and they said, okay, that's fine, Well,

598
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:40.599
<v Speaker 1>for your service for being in here, and to apologize,

599
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 1>we have a gift for you, and they would give

600
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:44.119
<v Speaker 1>him a gift and it was a box and it

601
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>was just like in seven. They would unwrap the box

602
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and open the box and it was like his wife's

603
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>head in the box and they would say now you know,

604
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:54.240
<v Speaker 1>now what do you think? And the guy would be

605
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>completely shattered, completely broken, and they'd bring in other you know,

606
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>people close to him that he knew, and they would say, now,

607
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:01.519
<v Speaker 1>this is gonna happen in front of you, So think

608
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I would be willing to just go, you know, I'll

609
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>work for you whatever you want. And the Ludovico method

610
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>like kind of sort of hints at that, not like

611
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>that Alex. He's a psychopath anyway. But this movie is

612
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>strange because it's because they are trying to find a

613
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>person to do these things, but they've already found him

614
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 1>because he walks into the thing. But also his daily

615
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:30.559
<v Speaker 1>life already is already in line with what they want.

616
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, so so for instance, when he goes in

617
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>and visits the like bar or whatever, and he's and

618
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>he gets in the fight with the deputy and the sheriff.

619
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>He gets out of it by he doesn't stop. I mean,

620
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>he even comes in like through the wall and he's

621
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.480
<v Speaker 1>still fighting. And then when they take him to the dam,

622
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.039
<v Speaker 1>he fights the sheriff. When he steals the car, he

623
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>crashes to the grocery store. It's very quick. He like

624
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 1>crashes into the grocery store, runs out the back, gets

625
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.119
<v Speaker 1>in a truck, and leaves. He's got an amazing way

626
00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:58.240
<v Speaker 1>of getting out of trouble. He can just kind of

627
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>slip through anywhere. So I guess that's part of them finding,

628
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, this guy who seems to be able to

629
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:08.039
<v Speaker 1>infiltrate all these places. The craziest scene, though, to just

630
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.119
<v Speaker 1>sort of jump ahead here, the craziest scene is when

631
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 1>he's tasked with like following the guy and he's the assassin.

632
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>The assassin knows that he's being followed, right, and then

633
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:21.599
<v Speaker 1>he goes to the grocery store parking lot. He switches cars.

634
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.160
<v Speaker 1>He's got the suitcase, He goes to the airport, gets

635
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.519
<v Speaker 1>on the plane, and Warren Batty apparently, I guess at

636
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>the seventies you could just walk right onto a tarmac

637
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.039
<v Speaker 1>and just walk right on a plane and play and

638
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>pay right there. I mean, it's crazy, he just walks

639
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.519
<v Speaker 1>onto the plane. But that's not the crazy part. The

640
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:43.640
<v Speaker 1>craziest part is that when you rewatch the movie, you

641
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:47.359
<v Speaker 1>realize Warren Batty follows the guy onto the plane. He

642
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:49.960
<v Speaker 1>knows the guy has a bomb in his in in

643
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.680
<v Speaker 1>his suitcase. He tries to write on the mirror, he

644
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:56.720
<v Speaker 1>erases it, he writes it on the cocktail napkin, and

645
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>then he calmly sits down and then waits for the

646
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:01.039
<v Speaker 1>plane to land and then just walks off the plane.

647
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>And he has no emotion about it. But the fact

648
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 1>is that he's followed a guy that he knew had

649
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.119
<v Speaker 1>to bomb onto a plane and gets on the plane

650
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:11.880
<v Speaker 1>anyway and then gets off again, which is insane. So

651
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:14.920
<v Speaker 1>so I guess he is the perfect guy.

652
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the corporations, right, they have profiled him accurately. Yeah,

653
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:23.159
<v Speaker 2>and he's creating the unfortunately, the myth and the narrative

654
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:27.239
<v Speaker 2>that's perfect for him to be Patsy. You know, it

655
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:32.280
<v Speaker 2>makes me think of it's well, not the characters, but

656
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 2>it's just similar patterns to the movie Shooter with Mark

657
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Wahlberg Marky Martin. But one thing I did want to

658
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.840
<v Speaker 2>mention that I forgot to mention was all that scene

659
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.000
<v Speaker 2>with the redneck sheriff and all that, and this had

660
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.440
<v Speaker 2>to be like around the time of Dukes of Hazzard, Like,

661
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>so they just say, like, let's just put in a

662
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 2>whole sequence that's like Dukes of Hazard level stuff, right, yeah.

663
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Even even the music gets crazy. I mean the

664
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.800
<v Speaker 1>score is Basil Polydorus and the car chase turns into

665
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.440
<v Speaker 1>like where where wait? I know, honk, you know, like

666
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:04.159
<v Speaker 1>crazy zany noises, and then they jump, you know, the

667
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 1>cars jumping. Gordon Willis said that that when he was

668
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:11.920
<v Speaker 1>talking about the cuts in the movie and framing the movie,

669
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>he said that the only scene that he disagreed with

670
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.440
<v Speaker 1>the director about was that particular scene. The first of all,

671
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:20.960
<v Speaker 1>he said, the fight scene. His expression was, he said,

672
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>we had to Corey. You know, they had a choreograph

673
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>this fight scene and he fights the sheriff and I

674
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 1>was like, what are you doing? What is this? This

675
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>doesn't fit in the movie. I don't. I don't understand.

676
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>And then we had to go through this long, tedious

677
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.639
<v Speaker 1>car chase where it didn't make sense. That's my he

678
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.119
<v Speaker 1>said it was the least favorite scene that he's ever filmed.

679
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>But I guess the point. The point is that, again,

680
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:44.320
<v Speaker 1>the things don't fit. It's like even the audience watching

681
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.639
<v Speaker 1>the thing, We've been watching this sort of heavy handed

682
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy movie and all of a sudden we're in some

683
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:50.679
<v Speaker 1>sort of zany car chase, like we're watching a movie

684
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 1>like Warren Batty is in a movie of his own mind.

685
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:57.880
<v Speaker 1>So it you know, it's like the things, the things

686
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.599
<v Speaker 1>don't quite fit even when they By the way, did

687
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.119
<v Speaker 1>you notice that the deputy, the deputy that he fights

688
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:05.960
<v Speaker 1>at first, the weird guy who comes up to him

689
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:10.639
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, hey boy, yeah, did you know that that? Yeah?

690
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Did you notice that that that guy is a Wilson,

691
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:15.360
<v Speaker 1>the neighbor in Home Improvement?

692
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:18.880
<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't. I noticed you did look familiar. And

693
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:20.519
<v Speaker 2>then I noticed the guy that he's talking to when

694
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:25.519
<v Speaker 2>he's riding that little train around the park. That's Auto,

695
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:31.199
<v Speaker 2>who plays the the owner of the ranch in Malcolm

696
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:31.719
<v Speaker 2>in the Middle.

697
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.280
<v Speaker 1>So there you go. The movie predicted a lot.

698
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Of weird figures up later and other things.

699
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, the train scene is weird because you know, he's

700
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 1>got to go talk to a guy and they're going

701
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.079
<v Speaker 1>to go talk about a pulmonary embolism pill, a pet

702
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:52.400
<v Speaker 1>pill that you know, is that the same thing Frank

703
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:54.159
<v Speaker 1>Church talked about, you know, at the at the church

704
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 1>hearings when they talked about the heart attack gun and

705
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.039
<v Speaker 1>the the things that get and this is before that.

706
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:02.679
<v Speaker 1>I suppose, so the weapons that can mimic a heart attack,

707
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>there'd be no there'd be no evidence of it. But

708
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:09.320
<v Speaker 1>it's crazy because they're sitting on toy trains, like I

709
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:13.000
<v Speaker 1>guess they're hiding in plain sight, but and there there's movement.

710
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.079
<v Speaker 1>They're they're constantly moving through the narrative of the movie,

711
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.800
<v Speaker 1>but they're like they're on these toy trains like it's

712
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.559
<v Speaker 1>a I don't I don't know what that is. It's

713
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.440
<v Speaker 1>some sort of like like it's a game. I suppose,

714
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:27.639
<v Speaker 1>like he's on a he's on a track that he

715
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.519
<v Speaker 1>can't get off of until the end of the movie,

716
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:32.679
<v Speaker 1>or it's some sort of game he's playing like he's

717
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a child on on adventures it was very strange, very

718
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.719
<v Speaker 1>strange place to to talk to this guy. And and

719
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:44.199
<v Speaker 1>the the strangest scene for me that I can't really

720
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>understand is the first time we see him after three

721
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:50.079
<v Speaker 1>years and Warren Batty like knocks on this door and

722
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.559
<v Speaker 1>it's this old you know, couple inside and he's like, yeah,

723
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, my parents in the backyard. I need to

724
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.199
<v Speaker 1>get my parent and he just walks into the house

725
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.519
<v Speaker 1>and then he turns around and again is looking through

726
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:04.440
<v Speaker 1>the looking glass into the house, and then there's like

727
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>a drug raid and I can't I can't understand what

728
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.719
<v Speaker 1>he was doing. Was he was he investigating something? What

729
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:13.840
<v Speaker 1>was it said? It's almost like he shows up at

730
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:19.280
<v Speaker 1>the house not knowing what he's doing there and sing.

731
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Like you said, like like he's wandering through all of this.

732
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the fact that he's looking for his parent also,

733
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:28.320
<v Speaker 1>it's like like he's parroting the things that he's supposed

734
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>to say. And there's a there's a weird drug raid

735
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>almost like this is the part where he's going to

736
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:38.440
<v Speaker 1>be compromised into whatever the program is, because he ends

737
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>up getting bailed out by human cronin and they're going

738
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.039
<v Speaker 1>to charge him with a bunch of stuff, but he's

739
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:45.639
<v Speaker 1>going to get it, but he kind of talks his

740
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.400
<v Speaker 1>way out of It's almost like a first test. But

741
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>how did he how did he get there? What's he doing?

742
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't I didn't understand that.

743
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wasn't. Yeah I didn't even catch that. That's

744
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.920
<v Speaker 2>a good point. Yeah, he made some really good points too,

745
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:06.639
<v Speaker 2>about how like his character is not like he he

746
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.199
<v Speaker 2>doesn't at all act like a normal person. And I

747
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.960
<v Speaker 2>think that's why they call him an unusual personality. Right

748
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:13.840
<v Speaker 2>when the guy comes to talk to me, says, you know,

749
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:17.079
<v Speaker 2>we're really in the business of looking for unusual personalities,

750
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:20.440
<v Speaker 2>and we think you fit it. And the first time

751
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I watched it, I didn't really pay attention to that.

752
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.840
<v Speaker 2>I just thought was just this journalist who's like trying

753
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:27.559
<v Speaker 2>to get a scoop. And then then this this next

754
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:29.840
<v Speaker 2>time through, it's like, no, there's a lot more that's

755
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 2>off with him that you don't realize the first time through.

756
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:35.360
<v Speaker 2>And then you start to notice more and more, like

757
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:39.880
<v Speaker 2>how messed up he really is. And they've figured that out.

758
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.960
<v Speaker 2>You're figuring that out, like the corporation has figured that out,

759
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.119
<v Speaker 2>and they're just tweaking him into their nudging him into

760
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:49.880
<v Speaker 2>being the perfect Patsy. That again, to bring it to

761
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:54.280
<v Speaker 2>like modern day, that's a lot more likely what I

762
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 2>think happened in the last big event. You know, according

763
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 2>to the the official story of who the person is

764
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:07.440
<v Speaker 2>in terms of the shooter, if that's that guy Crooks,

765
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:09.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, he seems to be this kind of a

766
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:12.760
<v Speaker 2>person this I mean, not identical to Warren Baty, but

767
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 2>a person who's nudged into this situation. And when I

768
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:18.840
<v Speaker 2>talked to Sammy the Bull right after it had happened,

769
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:21.639
<v Speaker 2>he said, well, if I was doing this, that's what

770
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.559
<v Speaker 2>I would have done. I would find somebody who would

771
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:29.239
<v Speaker 2>be a suitable, perfect Patsy candidate. He says, we would

772
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.159
<v Speaker 2>have told him we'll give him the moon, right, we're

773
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:33.880
<v Speaker 2>going to promise you all this stuff. You're going to

774
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:36.599
<v Speaker 2>be a hero. Don't worry, we're gonna protect you. But

775
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>we have a contingency plan all along that he would

776
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:43.760
<v Speaker 2>be taken out right right. And I think that's, you know,

777
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:48.119
<v Speaker 2>the exact same attitude of the corporation here parallax. And

778
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.559
<v Speaker 2>I think this also again fits with probably the way

779
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:57.360
<v Speaker 2>things really occur is that people are profiled, not because

780
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:01.159
<v Speaker 2>the establishment is ultimately a bunch of he who bust crimes.

781
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean they're pro crimes are busted on a mid

782
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:08.239
<v Speaker 2>and low level, but at this kind of a level. No,

783
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:13.519
<v Speaker 2>they're profiling individuals to find out who's a suitable, useful psychopath.

784
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.719
<v Speaker 2>It can be a tool for this sort of you know,

785
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:21.239
<v Speaker 2>super international corporate entity that's knock bound by any rules

786
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 2>or laws. And I thought it was fascinating too that

787
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:28.000
<v Speaker 2>they used these all kinds of methods. I mean they

788
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:33.000
<v Speaker 2>poison you know, his editor, they will sniper other people.

789
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean they have all the means at their disposal,

790
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:40.920
<v Speaker 2>and they have a very adept stagecraft. And essentially the

791
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:45.559
<v Speaker 2>whole final sequence is getting Warren Bady into the position

792
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.320
<v Speaker 2>of being in the rafters at not the actual event,

793
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.559
<v Speaker 2>which is fascinating because they didn't do it at an

794
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.039
<v Speaker 2>actual event. They do it at the rehearsal, which makes

795
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:59.159
<v Speaker 2>more sense to actually get the job done. And you know,

796
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.519
<v Speaker 2>he's in the exactly the position that they wanted him,

797
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 2>so he's played the entire time and he ends up

798
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:07.079
<v Speaker 2>becoming the perfect Patsy because he fit the profile of

799
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:11.559
<v Speaker 2>the perfect Patsy. But that stage craft dimension, I thought

800
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:15.360
<v Speaker 2>was pretty fascinating that well. The first time I watched it,

801
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.039
<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, he's a Patsy, but I didn't

802
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 2>think about how how well the corporation had played him.

803
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, car crashes, playing crash is poisoning, drug overdose, heart attacks,

804
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:31.159
<v Speaker 1>it's all the sort of common things. The scene with

805
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:35.840
<v Speaker 1>the sheriff and the deputy reminded me also of JFK

806
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>with the the event happens and then they roll out

807
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:41.800
<v Speaker 1>the Patsy. He says he's a Patsy, and then this

808
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:44.599
<v Speaker 1>guy in a ten gallon hat comes out, you know,

809
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:47.039
<v Speaker 1>in the famous photograph, And it was just like that.

810
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Also all of the movies and books that I've read

811
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:55.559
<v Speaker 1>with you know, with Leo's acting as as sort of

812
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:58.800
<v Speaker 1>hired enforcement for this, and one of the things in

813
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:02.559
<v Speaker 1>the movie is there's a continuous like series of initiations

814
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:04.760
<v Speaker 1>into this, and one of those is obviously with the deputy.

815
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:08.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, the deputy comes up, insults him, degrades him.

816
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:11.599
<v Speaker 1>It's in a public place. There's a honeypot right there,

817
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.639
<v Speaker 1>there's a you know, spring Mere mk betas sex kitten

818
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:16.920
<v Speaker 1>that comes up right right up to him in the bar.

819
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:20.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, and when you watch the movie, it's like, oh,

820
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.519
<v Speaker 1>the two guys, the two Hillbillies or whatever in the

821
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:26.239
<v Speaker 1>bar are going to be angry because the girls got

822
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 1>up and left. But actually they let the fight go on,

823
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and he's even I mean again, he's like even being

824
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:34.719
<v Speaker 1>thrown through walls. They destroyed the bar, until finally the

825
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:38.400
<v Speaker 1>sheriff just cool, cool, calm and collected. It's like, I

826
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:40.119
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have let it go on too long if I

827
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:41.920
<v Speaker 1>thought it was going to be bad. Let's go fishing.

828
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:46.280
<v Speaker 1>And then he takes him to the very scene where

829
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:48.760
<v Speaker 1>the last guy was killed and where the last guy

830
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:51.360
<v Speaker 1>was he walks right into this and this is a

831
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.719
<v Speaker 1>crazy see if you guys haven't seen this movie, it's

832
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:57.159
<v Speaker 1>a crazy scene because he goes to this dam and

833
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:01.000
<v Speaker 1>we get this giant wall, the giant you know, cement wall,

834
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:03.920
<v Speaker 1>this concrete wall, and they're the rocks and there's this

835
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.960
<v Speaker 1>this little stream. He kind of goes down to investigate,

836
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:10.920
<v Speaker 1>and you hear this just huge siren. It reminded me

837
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:14.199
<v Speaker 1>of that new movie The Zone of the Zone of

838
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.159
<v Speaker 1>I forget the Zone movie about the World War two thing.

839
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:22.599
<v Speaker 1>This loud almost like programming siren to to snap you

840
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:26.000
<v Speaker 1>into whatever. It is and it's so loud, and all

841
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.400
<v Speaker 1>the water coming out. It's like the waters are rushing.

842
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.320
<v Speaker 1>The things are about to happen, just like with the train,

843
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>you know that there's gonna be a flood of events.

844
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:36.760
<v Speaker 1>And they don't move. They're just standing there. And he

845
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.719
<v Speaker 1>turns around and the guy, the sheriff is holding a

846
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 1>gun on him, and he quickly like well, he like

847
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 1>snaps him in the head with a fishing rod and

848
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:49.800
<v Speaker 1>he's got to fish. It's so fasty and he whips

849
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.920
<v Speaker 1>him with it and then he they fall. They of course,

850
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:54.679
<v Speaker 1>they fall into the river. Which is my thing, Like

851
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.880
<v Speaker 1>if you're whatever, I watch movies and and this happens

852
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.639
<v Speaker 1>and you're being chased, I always think, just jump into

853
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the water, just get away. This guy, the sheriff is

854
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.679
<v Speaker 1>so fat anyway, he's you know, like swimming away from

855
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.760
<v Speaker 1>the guy. He gets up, steals the sheriff's car, goes

856
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:13.440
<v Speaker 1>to his house. He goes right to his house, goes

857
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.280
<v Speaker 1>right into his house, walks right into his library, walks

858
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:20.519
<v Speaker 1>opens the drawer and he finds the leaflets. For now

859
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:22.760
<v Speaker 1>he's I guess he's been initiated into this thing. And

860
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:26.840
<v Speaker 1>here's the here's the the you know Phoenix program test

861
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:30.400
<v Speaker 1>list of do you've in? The list is hilarious. It's like,

862
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:33.960
<v Speaker 1>do you ever feel like you have no friends? Do

863
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.440
<v Speaker 1>you ever feel like everyone's against you? Do you do

864
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:40.159
<v Speaker 1>you wish you could blow torch the whole world? Then

865
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:42.199
<v Speaker 1>and then of course then he goes to the MK

866
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:46.000
<v Speaker 1>culture Lab. But it's almost like a series of initiations

867
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 1>and and Baty is is very weird. I know Warren

868
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Batty was Warren Batty before this was in his real life,

869
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 1>was in the Governed Inner Circle right before the movie

870
00:45:59.920 --> 00:46:03.679
<v Speaker 1>was made. He was like close friends with McGovern and

871
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:05.719
<v Speaker 1>then they couldn't make the movie because there was a

872
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:08.760
<v Speaker 1>writer strike, but he pushed the movie through it anyway.

873
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I guess is it George McGovern?

874
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh? I thought you mentioned CIA analyst Raymond Govern.

875
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I think it's George was a big yeah, a big

876
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Democrat donor for them. Warren Betty is also from here,

877
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.079
<v Speaker 1>by the way, he's from He's from Richmond. Warren Beatty

878
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>and his older sister Charley McLain are from weirdly or

879
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:28.760
<v Speaker 1>from here, and and like they weren't just born here,

880
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:33.360
<v Speaker 1>they grew up here. And uh. And also the writer

881
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.039
<v Speaker 1>of the book Laura, his name is Lauren Singer. Was

882
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:41.400
<v Speaker 1>oss and his name is Lauren Adeleston Singer. I couldn't

883
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:45.239
<v Speaker 1>find any connection with the obvious, obvious person. But but

884
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:47.880
<v Speaker 1>it always plays out this way. It always plays out

885
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:51.280
<v Speaker 1>that the outer events, like you were saying that the state,

886
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:55.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, the stage craft of the events themselves always

887
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 1>seemed to mirror and mimic the making of the movie itself. Right.

888
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:02.599
<v Speaker 1>So Three Days of the Condor, there's that famous picture

889
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:06.719
<v Speaker 1>that was in Vanity Fair or whatever of of Richard

890
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Helms and what's his name? Well, what's what's the actor's

891
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.199
<v Speaker 1>name in Three Days of the Condor? Oh my god,

892
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I can't, I can't. Sundance Film, Sundance Film Festival. What's

893
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the guy all the presidents met Dustin Hoffman and I

894
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:27.480
<v Speaker 1>can't think of the seventies actor, the big guy somebody

895
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:32.719
<v Speaker 1>in the chat. What's the guy's names? Donald Donald Sutherland

896
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:36.159
<v Speaker 1>was in this guy's previous movie, which is clute. But

897
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Robert Redford, it's what I'm thinking. Robert Redford and Richard

898
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.639
<v Speaker 1>Helms are off, they're on. Richard Helms came to visit,

899
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 1>came to visit the set of Three Days of the

900
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.159
<v Speaker 1>condor that that's a paid consultant for this. So it's

901
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 1>it's very it's very weird. The stage crafts the sort

902
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.000
<v Speaker 1>of stagecraft element as if, and that obviously comes to

903
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.679
<v Speaker 1>play with the argo you know where we have Hollywood

904
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:05.880
<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood, uh, working with intelligence. But I think the

905
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.119
<v Speaker 1>weirdest part of this movie is that, like you know,

906
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:12.280
<v Speaker 1>you were mentioning before that, the I think the reason

907
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.079
<v Speaker 1>the movie is successful is because the Shenanigans aren't too

908
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 1>It's like the programming scene, it's it's very matter of fact.

909
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:25.239
<v Speaker 1>There's no you know, mind bending psychic break. We go

910
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:28.239
<v Speaker 1>to the office of the corporation. They literally have human

911
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 1>engineering on the kiosk to go up into the place.

912
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 1>The guy comes and visit him. He's walking around. They

913
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:36.480
<v Speaker 1>go to grocery stores. It's a very matter of fact,

914
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.079
<v Speaker 1>which I don't know what that what that means, other

915
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:44.079
<v Speaker 1>than it says to me that sometimes the you know,

916
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:47.719
<v Speaker 1>there's the there's the deep sea spiracy, but there's also

917
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.039
<v Speaker 1>the hit just completely hidden in plain sight.

918
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he reminds the psychology of Warren Batty as

919
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:57.360
<v Speaker 2>this protagonist reminds me of Nick Cage and eight Millimeter

920
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:01.159
<v Speaker 2>like nick cage and eight millimeter is kind of messed up,

921
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:04.840
<v Speaker 2>and he can't quit following this rabbit hole, right, Like,

922
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:09.239
<v Speaker 2>even though there's every red flag possible is constantly in

923
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:13.119
<v Speaker 2>his face, he can't stop, right, He must pursue this

924
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:17.519
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason for And it's sort of like why

925
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:20.159
<v Speaker 2>is he doing this? Right? I mean, he's lost everything

926
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:24.039
<v Speaker 2>and you know, but he continues with this. There's another

927
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:28.280
<v Speaker 2>movie we just watched that also on the stagecraft point,

928
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:30.679
<v Speaker 2>reminds me of this film. Have you ever seen the

929
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Brian de Palma nineteen eighty four movie Body Double?

930
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, I was just talking about that with somebody

931
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:40.239
<v Speaker 1>the other day. Yeah, it's another one of these, yeah.

932
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And Body Double. The main character is an actor

933
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:48.320
<v Speaker 2>who can't find work. Well, he has work, but he

934
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:56.079
<v Speaker 2>has a crippling claustrophobia. And this other prominent guy, wealthy

935
00:49:56.119 --> 00:50:00.440
<v Speaker 2>actor guy utilizes this weakness in him as this character

936
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:03.599
<v Speaker 2>who's sort of led along this path entire time to

937
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 2>play a role as the eye witness to a staged murder.

938
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a murder, but it's it's all stage

939
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:14.039
<v Speaker 2>and it's not what you think it is. And uh,

940
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:17.559
<v Speaker 2>it's a situation where this you know, high level Hollywood

941
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.079
<v Speaker 2>person is utilizing the tricks of Hollywood to to beat

942
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:26.639
<v Speaker 2>the cops. And he's even casting his traumatized friend or

943
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.440
<v Speaker 2>not really a friend but his buddy. And then there's

944
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:35.920
<v Speaker 2>this really weird voyeuristic sort of Melie Griffith. There's those

945
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:41.119
<v Speaker 2>like meta levels of voyeurism where he's intended to be voyeurized,

946
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:45.719
<v Speaker 2>voyeuristically looking at people through a window, and then he's

947
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:48.400
<v Speaker 2>other people are watching the whole thing, and it's it's

948
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:51.639
<v Speaker 2>and then it turns into him having to become enter

949
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.239
<v Speaker 2>into the world of prawn and take on an alternate.

950
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:57.840
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like he's a mind controlled individual as well,

951
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:03.239
<v Speaker 2>because he's traumatized. So the main character there is is

952
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:10.159
<v Speaker 2>more of a weak traumatized persons micaetrol person. Warren Batty

953
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:11.880
<v Speaker 2>is not at all weak. He's sort of like the

954
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.159
<v Speaker 2>the ultimate assassin, I guess you could say, because he

955
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 2>really fears nothing, Like, no point does he. I mean,

956
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:25.400
<v Speaker 2>he only really fears his own end, but nothing else,

957
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:28.199
<v Speaker 2>right he wants Yeah, I don't even think he cares

958
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:30.639
<v Speaker 2>about the scoop anymore. Right, at a certain point, it's

959
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.239
<v Speaker 2>just sort of like he can't resist continuing down this path,

960
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:36.679
<v Speaker 2>like why why wouldn't you just walk away? At a

961
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.119
<v Speaker 2>certain point when he realizes what he's up against.

962
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think he's on a trajectory, like with the

963
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:47.079
<v Speaker 1>train scene, that he doesn't show any indication of human feelings.

964
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:50.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean when he's confronted by his girlfriend or his

965
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.440
<v Speaker 1>friend or whatever, and she, you know, she says to him, oh,

966
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:56.159
<v Speaker 1>all these things are happening, and then she that's a

967
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:58.639
<v Speaker 1>great scene because that actress is in just like those

968
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:02.199
<v Speaker 1>two scenes, and she's great because when she shows up,

969
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:06.480
<v Speaker 1>we assume there's a relationship or a former relationship between them,

970
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:08.360
<v Speaker 1>even if it's just that they happen to be the

971
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:10.880
<v Speaker 1>same event before or they were both journalists or whatever.

972
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:14.480
<v Speaker 1>But she's trying to tell him what's happening, and he

973
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:18.079
<v Speaker 1>says to her, you know, she says, I'm in fear

974
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:20.000
<v Speaker 1>for my life and he's like, oh, more in fear

975
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.320
<v Speaker 1>than you were the last time. And she says, I've

976
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 1>never committed suicide successfully before. And then and and then

977
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the the drug scene or the overdose scene happens, I guess,

978
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 1>and then he's in the you know, he goes to

979
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:36.039
<v Speaker 1>visit her in the which is another strange scene because

980
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:38.440
<v Speaker 1>when when we see her lying on the slab in

981
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.159
<v Speaker 1>the morgue, we see her and we see the two

982
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:44.239
<v Speaker 1>doctors talking, and then it's only after they leave the

983
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.599
<v Speaker 1>room that Warren Betty, who's off he's off frame, comes

984
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:51.360
<v Speaker 1>into frame like he's now walking into this into this

985
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:54.079
<v Speaker 1>new this new life or whatever. But nowhere in the

986
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:57.760
<v Speaker 1>movie does he show anything other than that he wants,

987
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.679
<v Speaker 1>like you're saying, like he wants to continue, he needs money,

988
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.320
<v Speaker 1>he needs an advance. And even the scene where it's

989
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.400
<v Speaker 1>just the strangest scene where he's at home and he's

990
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:10.000
<v Speaker 1>cooking and he gets a knock on the door and

991
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:12.039
<v Speaker 1>the guy comes in, and this is clearly he knows

992
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:14.920
<v Speaker 1>he's being hunted. He's been hunted. Everybody knows he's in

993
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:18.280
<v Speaker 1>this thing now. But he lets he's like, he leaves

994
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:19.639
<v Speaker 1>the door open. He's like, well, I guess you can

995
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:21.320
<v Speaker 1>come in if you want to. And the guy walks

996
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:23.360
<v Speaker 1>in and this is the guy who's gonna be his handler,

997
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and he's he just turns around and then the guy's

998
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:28.480
<v Speaker 1>this line. He says, so how tall are you six

999
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:30.920
<v Speaker 1>six' one of the guy says at Warren band He

1000
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:32.840
<v Speaker 1>says six to two and then he's like, you, I

1001
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:34.920
<v Speaker 1>thought you were taller than that. And he's like, who

1002
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.920
<v Speaker 1>gives a fuck how tall I am, buddy? And then

1003
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.800
<v Speaker 1>he you notice in that scene when he's cooking, he

1004
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:44.119
<v Speaker 1>like burns his hand and he drops it and he

1005
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:46.800
<v Speaker 1>likes spat. He freaks out. He has a spats and

1006
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:49.199
<v Speaker 1>the guy like has this slight smile on his face,

1007
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:51.559
<v Speaker 1>this smirk, and he's like, yeah, you're just the guy.

1008
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:55.320
<v Speaker 1>You're just the unhinged guy that we want, you know,

1009
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:57.199
<v Speaker 1>telling him to put water in ice on it like

1010
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:58.639
<v Speaker 1>he is if he's in a grown man who doesn't

1011
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:00.760
<v Speaker 1>know what to do after he's burned his hand. But

1012
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.400
<v Speaker 1>he needs these these handlers throughout the movie. And he

1013
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:07.639
<v Speaker 1>only freaks out in the very last scene when he

1014
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.199
<v Speaker 1>sees the light from the door open and he starts

1015
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:12.679
<v Speaker 1>running towards the door as if he can get away.

1016
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:13.360
<v Speaker 1>And that's it.

1017
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was watching that. I was wondering, like, why

1018
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:19.920
<v Speaker 2>does he lay there so long? Because if he had

1019
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.679
<v Speaker 2>gotten out when he first sees the doorway, he might

1020
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:26.639
<v Speaker 2>have made it, but he hesitates for so long.

1021
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think he also crawls down onto the thing

1022
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:34.679
<v Speaker 1>where the gun was so he walks right you know,

1023
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.400
<v Speaker 1>he goes right into it, which is also kind of

1024
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:40.559
<v Speaker 1>indicative of the beginning of the movie when the waiter,

1025
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:43.960
<v Speaker 1>the guy who was hit his role at the beginning

1026
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:46.599
<v Speaker 1>of the movie, also runs out into the light into

1027
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the outside and also falls down onto something else. And

1028
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:57.000
<v Speaker 1>it's also that he continuously walks right into the places

1029
00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.880
<v Speaker 1>where the other people have been assassinated, so like with

1030
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:03.239
<v Speaker 1>the plane scene or with the damn scene. The other

1031
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:07.559
<v Speaker 1>scene that we haven't mentioned is when he finally finds

1032
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Austin Tucker, the guy with the glasses at the beginning,

1033
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:14.159
<v Speaker 1>who is the political consultant who's who apparently has enough

1034
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:16.519
<v Speaker 1>money to insulate himself and he has a you know,

1035
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:19.000
<v Speaker 1>he sends his bodyguard to go find him. But I

1036
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:21.360
<v Speaker 1>was watching, Yeah, when I was watching the movie for

1037
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:23.360
<v Speaker 1>the first time, they get on the boat and I

1038
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:25.800
<v Speaker 1>was thinking, don't get on this boat, dude. You think

1039
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.079
<v Speaker 1>you're you're safe everywhere, you know, anywhere you go, the

1040
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.480
<v Speaker 1>boat is the don't even you read the things. The

1041
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:33.440
<v Speaker 1>boat is the last place you're going to be safe.

1042
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:36.320
<v Speaker 1>So he gets on the boat. They're sailing. The guy

1043
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.079
<v Speaker 1>does this weird thing where he like takes a nap

1044
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.559
<v Speaker 1>for five minutes and then he gets back up. He's

1045
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:42.760
<v Speaker 1>back at the back of the boat with his bodyguard,

1046
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:45.039
<v Speaker 1>and then the boat blows up and baby just like

1047
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:48.360
<v Speaker 1>jumps off the boat into the water. But I thought,

1048
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:51.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is r Max Maxwell was killed on

1049
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:55.840
<v Speaker 1>the boat. I was just rereading about mount Batton. Mount

1050
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Batten was assassinated on his boat in Sligo and that.

1051
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.119
<v Speaker 2>One's William Colby went boating and never returned.

1052
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:05.639
<v Speaker 1>That's right, Yeah, the I guess on the Potomac, you know,

1053
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and like you think about what is skull

1054
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:12.760
<v Speaker 1>and bones like more than going yachting, I guess, you know,

1055
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:15.719
<v Speaker 1>it's it's this is this is their thing. I don't

1056
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:18.039
<v Speaker 1>know if that's connected, but I'm just saying that I

1057
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:21.280
<v Speaker 1>was rereading about the mount Batten thing in the seventies,

1058
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and what happened with that was that mount Batten was

1059
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:29.800
<v Speaker 1>in County Sligo at his house and the bomber, this

1060
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:33.320
<v Speaker 1>guy Thomas McMahon, found out that he was there and

1061
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:37.280
<v Speaker 1>put the bomb on the boat. And when he had

1062
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:41.000
<v Speaker 1>he had notoriously lacked security. And mount Batten's statement about

1063
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:42.840
<v Speaker 1>it was who wants to kill an old guy? Anyway,

1064
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:47.880
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, Royal family connected, so they they

1065
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:51.079
<v Speaker 1>there was no security and then there was recently. I

1066
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:53.480
<v Speaker 1>think there was a guy who who came out after

1067
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:55.239
<v Speaker 1>the Good Friday agreement and said, yeah, he put the

1068
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:57.000
<v Speaker 1>bomb on the boat, but I'm the guy who planned it.

1069
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:00.519
<v Speaker 1>The guy who planned it was X Army. So other words,

1070
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:05.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, that also is weird because that there's I've

1071
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:10.000
<v Speaker 1>read that that's somehow intelligence had something to do with

1072
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:14.320
<v Speaker 1>that because of mount Batten's the creepy things in his

1073
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:16.519
<v Speaker 1>life for how he was compromising the royal families and

1074
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:20.039
<v Speaker 1>they wanted him eliminated anyway, and and British intelligence was

1075
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:24.920
<v Speaker 1>partly running IRA anyway, they ran. Yeah, the chief spy

1076
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:27.440
<v Speaker 1>catcher for the IRA and the r IRA Army Council

1077
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:28.199
<v Speaker 1>was the Sky Fred.

1078
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:33.320
<v Speaker 2>They also set up a brathel using a Jewish organized

1079
00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:38.199
<v Speaker 2>gangster guy in the Ireland that entrapped several of the

1080
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:40.639
<v Speaker 2>IRA and they did a bunch of false flags playing

1081
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:41.119
<v Speaker 2>on the IRA.

1082
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:45.280
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, the chiefs spy catcher was the top

1083
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:47.079
<v Speaker 1>I RA Spy, which came out in two thousand and

1084
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:48.679
<v Speaker 1>three when I was living there. He was he was

1085
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:51.960
<v Speaker 1>he was a British agent and he was the chief

1086
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.960
<v Speaker 1>spy catcher for his whole job was for the Army

1087
00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Council for the IRA to catch spies that were that

1088
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:01.440
<v Speaker 1>were you know, niche and on the IRA. And he

1089
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:04.320
<v Speaker 1>was an agent of course, which is just like the

1090
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Departed or something. But uh, but yeah, so he gets

1091
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:10.440
<v Speaker 1>off the boat, you know, and he escapes and he

1092
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:14.039
<v Speaker 1>and he walks right into this thing. And it's just interesting.

1093
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:18.199
<v Speaker 1>I think that with with these seventies films, I'm not

1094
00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:22.039
<v Speaker 1>sure what the I mean, the point seems too obvious

1095
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:26.039
<v Speaker 1>to make. I know that that the director one of

1096
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:28.400
<v Speaker 1>one of his statements about his films, he did this,

1097
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:30.920
<v Speaker 1>he did Clute and All the President's Men, and one

1098
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:32.880
<v Speaker 1>of his statements was, oh, and he did The Devil's

1099
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Own which is an IRA movie, which is ties into this.

1100
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:38.239
<v Speaker 1>But one of his statements was that he wanted people

1101
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:40.760
<v Speaker 1>in the cinema to look at the person next to

1102
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:43.079
<v Speaker 1>them with a little more suspicion, you know, to be

1103
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more uneasy about what you see in

1104
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:48.199
<v Speaker 1>your daily life, which kind of you know, plays into

1105
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:51.760
<v Speaker 1>the post post Watergate era, post Vietnam and all this stuff.

1106
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:55.559
<v Speaker 1>But it's interesting that what we've seen since then, and

1107
00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:58.199
<v Speaker 1>with the event that just happened with Trump and and

1108
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:01.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, these things seem to come to light more

1109
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.199
<v Speaker 1>and more, and especially with the one that just happened,

1110
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:09.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, in plain sight on television. You wonder, what's

1111
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the what's the end goal besides the kind of you know,

1112
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:16.719
<v Speaker 1>is it future shock? Is it terrorizing the public, is

1113
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:19.440
<v Speaker 1>it making them uneasy, make giving you know, a continuous

1114
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:24.280
<v Speaker 1>sense of chaos. Is it making people not you know,

1115
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:27.360
<v Speaker 1>not believe they're lying eyes? I mean, what what is it? What?

1116
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:29.760
<v Speaker 1>What's what's the end goal with just the continuous series

1117
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:30.440
<v Speaker 1>of these events.

1118
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, when Telfler talks about future shock, he means that

1119
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:38.239
<v Speaker 2>things are coming that we're going to that are going

1120
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:45.719
<v Speaker 2>to be so upending, so such upheavals that society won't

1121
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:48.400
<v Speaker 2>be able to process it. So there's things that are

1122
00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.639
<v Speaker 2>coming that are just going to be mind blowing with tech,

1123
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:55.119
<v Speaker 2>with the way that lifestyles will change. You know, he

1124
00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:59.239
<v Speaker 2>was he was writing the nineteen seventies about alterations and

1125
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:07.960
<v Speaker 2>diet and people transitioning into new ways of living, polycules, vegetarianism, anarchism.

1126
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:10.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, Telfler was saying that all that would be

1127
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:15.159
<v Speaker 2>utilized and basically pushing us into the technocratic future. And

1128
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:18.039
<v Speaker 2>there is this subtle technocratic theme which is hinted at

1129
01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:23.039
<v Speaker 2>throughout this movie again with the human engineering, the monkeys,

1130
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the video games, all of that, is that just as

1131
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:29.599
<v Speaker 2>they're they're playing and then being studied, you know, beaties

1132
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:32.480
<v Speaker 2>being played and being studied, and so in the same way,

1133
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:36.559
<v Speaker 2>the attitude of the technocrats is to view the humans

1134
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:39.320
<v Speaker 2>in general in this in this way. So I think

1135
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:43.599
<v Speaker 2>I read it, even with the technocratic theme here that

1136
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:49.519
<v Speaker 2>really we're all Warren battis being studied and being moved

1137
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:53.000
<v Speaker 2>into the kind of future where we can be managed

1138
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:57.400
<v Speaker 2>like labrats, like you know, monkeys. There's a book that

1139
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:00.920
<v Speaker 2>came out World as a laboratory, which is which is

1140
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:02.320
<v Speaker 2>this this mindset?

1141
01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:08.239
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, is the so is the scene with the

1142
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:12.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Ludovico scene in this is the point

1143
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:17.079
<v Speaker 1>that I mean, there's it starts off with you know,

1144
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:19.679
<v Speaker 1>it's just still I mean we mentioned but but it's

1145
01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:22.920
<v Speaker 1>still scenes and words flashing on the screen and still

1146
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:26.760
<v Speaker 1>images sort of archetypal images, and then it slowly starts

1147
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:29.480
<v Speaker 1>to dissociate. So now we start to associate, Like it

1148
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:31.920
<v Speaker 1>says you know, country, and then we show scenes from Vietnam,

1149
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:34.519
<v Speaker 1>and then there's father and there's like a kid running

1150
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.960
<v Speaker 1>in the hall, and then we see like hanging, you know,

1151
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:40.880
<v Speaker 1>we start to see more and more grotesque imagery. But

1152
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:43.280
<v Speaker 1>is it slow like did they pace it that way

1153
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:45.239
<v Speaker 1>in the film, because it's a kind of slow burn

1154
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:48.599
<v Speaker 1>for the for the audience watching it. I mean, one

1155
01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:52.760
<v Speaker 1>of the things about Clockwork Orange is that is that

1156
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:55.679
<v Speaker 1>when I watched the movie, I'm like, well, yeah, I mean,

1157
01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I've seen it a million times. It's not it's not

1158
01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:01.639
<v Speaker 1>shocking to me. But obviously the movie is shocking still

1159
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to some people, even with the implications you know, in

1160
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:08.760
<v Speaker 1>the movie, and and also that it's it's also interesting

1161
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:12.639
<v Speaker 1>that the movie was banned in England by Kubrick. He's

1162
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:15.760
<v Speaker 1>the one who pulled it from what so it makes

1163
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:18.480
<v Speaker 1>me think, what did you make the movie to play it?

1164
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:23.639
<v Speaker 1>Only to pull the movie because the absence of the

1165
01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:27.039
<v Speaker 1>imagery actually going to the theater is more shocking than

1166
01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:30.239
<v Speaker 1>actually seeing the movie. And does it drive you know,

1167
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:32.519
<v Speaker 1>does it drive sales? Does it you know all the

1168
01:02:32.599 --> 01:02:35.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of typical things. But but it's like there's a

1169
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:38.159
<v Speaker 1>veneer about the film that it's so bad that it

1170
01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:40.280
<v Speaker 1>can't even be shown in England, so it kind of

1171
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:44.079
<v Speaker 1>drives it drives interest in it in America or whatever.

1172
01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:48.559
<v Speaker 1>But is this my point is is all this happening

1173
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:51.119
<v Speaker 1>because this is the kind of thing that we deal

1174
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:54.480
<v Speaker 1>with now, for instance, like with doom Scroll, with the

1175
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:58.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously we are people are completely desensitized to things.

1176
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:03.119
<v Speaker 1>But is it a constant refresh right of the screen.

1177
01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:05.639
<v Speaker 1>Is it just scrolling where you see? You can you know,

1178
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:07.920
<v Speaker 1>you get on TikTok and a person could see, especially

1179
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:12.400
<v Speaker 1>a young person could see cats and you know, flowery

1180
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:16.599
<v Speaker 1>scenes in America or flags mixed in with you know,

1181
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:18.639
<v Speaker 1>murders and execution war.

1182
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it is like disorienting because it's like a

1183
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:28.159
<v Speaker 2>constant machine gun array and there's no real consistent, consistent

1184
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:31.079
<v Speaker 2>pattern to it except that some of the images and

1185
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:35.719
<v Speaker 2>words repeat. So maybe we're also supposed to think of subliminals.

1186
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:38.119
<v Speaker 2>It was also kind of becoming popular at this night,

1187
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:41.880
<v Speaker 2>at this time to know about subliminals. This was like

1188
01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:45.760
<v Speaker 2>some of the first points at which people were thinking, oh,

1189
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 2>they're actually putting I mean, in other words, I know,

1190
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:52.079
<v Speaker 2>subliminal advertising goes earlier than this, but people were starting

1191
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.440
<v Speaker 2>to figure this out around this time. There was also

1192
01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:59.760
<v Speaker 2>those subliminals, for example, that Aaron and Melissa had had

1193
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:04.840
<v Speaker 2>discovered over a truth stream some years back, where they

1194
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.400
<v Speaker 2>had noticed the old public service announcements that would come

1195
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:12.280
<v Speaker 2>on when the TVs would go at night, you know,

1196
01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about when the channels would go off, they

1197
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:18.639
<v Speaker 2>would play the national anthem, and they had discovered that

1198
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:22.719
<v Speaker 2>there were subliminals within the national anthem that was being played,

1199
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and the subliminals were very reminiscent of what you see

1200
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:29.119
<v Speaker 2>in the movie. It's stuff like, you know, follow the

1201
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:32.400
<v Speaker 2>state worship, you know God, remember your country, you know,

1202
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.719
<v Speaker 2>just weird stuff like that. So that it made me

1203
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:40.360
<v Speaker 2>think of that. And it is interesting again that it's

1204
01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:43.559
<v Speaker 2>so innocuous in terms of that he's not really doing

1205
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:45.719
<v Speaker 2>anything other than sitting in a chair and they say

1206
01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:49.480
<v Speaker 2>and make sure to put your hands inside the holsters

1207
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:51.760
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. He's got to put his hands inside of something,

1208
01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:55.920
<v Speaker 2>and he's not supposed to move. But when you compare

1209
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:58.800
<v Speaker 2>this to the other images and films that we get,

1210
01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:02.320
<v Speaker 2>like we watched a Total Recall because I just wrote

1211
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:04.719
<v Speaker 2>the chapter and start calling with three on Total Recall,

1212
01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:08.639
<v Speaker 2>and like that's this just totally invasive, like brain machine

1213
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:11.440
<v Speaker 2>that you sit in. It's like, you know, Arnold's losing

1214
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:16.000
<v Speaker 2>his mind, going full like Arnold gasm over there. Yeah,

1215
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:20.360
<v Speaker 2>and then you've got you know, other presentations like you said,

1216
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.639
<v Speaker 2>like the Ludovico method. I don't know, I'm just contrasting

1217
01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:25.079
<v Speaker 2>all of the.

1218
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Or Jacob's Ladder, Like you know, we watched the Ladder

1219
01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:30.239
<v Speaker 1>and it's just the absolute most hellish.

1220
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Well remember Return to Oz and they put they put

1221
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:38.960
<v Speaker 2>her on the electro shock table. Yeah, trap her down.

1222
01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:44.039
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, that that that film kind of has

1223
01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:47.360
<v Speaker 1>a almost an Exorcist thing, well sort of, I mean

1224
01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:50.920
<v Speaker 1>in the in the sense of you know the famous

1225
01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:53.880
<v Speaker 1>scene in The Exorcist where they they had to sigh

1226
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:56.760
<v Speaker 1>up and putting pazuzu, you know, flashing three times throughout

1227
01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:59.519
<v Speaker 1>the film and the kind of uh. But but that

1228
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:03.880
<v Speaker 1>movie's different because because if you're going to test audiences

1229
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:07.360
<v Speaker 1>as far as what can drive them to their extreme point,

1230
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:10.360
<v Speaker 1>the movie already begins the movie. The tone of the

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01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:13.199
<v Speaker 1>movie is already so horrible, right, So the beginning of

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01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:17.519
<v Speaker 1>the movie is already silence and the sound of wind,

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01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.719
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, juxtaposed with pictures of statues of

1234
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:23.920
<v Speaker 1>pazuzu and faces looking at you, and then mixed in

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01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:26.480
<v Speaker 1>with I think the real subliminal thing in that movie

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01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:31.760
<v Speaker 1>is the fact that that the girl in The Exorcist

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01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:38.599
<v Speaker 1>is mimicking what the her mom's boyfriend says to her downstairs.

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01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:41.840
<v Speaker 1>So all of the this, I think there's something to that.

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01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:46.639
<v Speaker 1>The fact that the sexual creepy stuff that she says

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01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:51.000
<v Speaker 1>when she's possessed is indicative of the fact that the

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01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:53.760
<v Speaker 1>possession and the the a b u s the go

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01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:57.360
<v Speaker 1>hand in hand with what made her that way. And

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01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:59.920
<v Speaker 1>because you could you can hear, like when she starts

1244
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:03.360
<v Speaker 1>really cursing in the movie and saying the overtly sexual stuff.

1245
01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:05.519
<v Speaker 1>You can hear the guys say it earlier in the

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01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:08.320
<v Speaker 1>movie when he's downstairs at the party, and it's sort

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01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:12.480
<v Speaker 1>of you sort of imply, it implies that she was

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01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:14.360
<v Speaker 1>left alone with this guy at the house, and so

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01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.280
<v Speaker 1>she's mimicking. You know. That's that's the sort of a

1250
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:19.760
<v Speaker 1>subliminal thing in the movie where we can't really why

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01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:21.800
<v Speaker 1>why did this happen? Where did this come from? Other

1252
01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:23.400
<v Speaker 1>than the fact that the mother also in that movie

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01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:25.440
<v Speaker 1>is an actress, right.

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01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:34.719
<v Speaker 2>The author explicitly worked for. And then what's interesting, it's

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01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:36.280
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people consider one of the worst

1256
01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:38.679
<v Speaker 2>movies ever if you make it to I think it's

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01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Part three Extracists two. Now maybe I'm thinking of too,

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01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.519
<v Speaker 2>the one that has uh Richard Burton in it.

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01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's two.

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01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's considered one of the worst movies ever. But

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01:07:48.760 --> 01:07:53.639
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the film, it's this secret government thing

1262
01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:58.280
<v Speaker 2>that's studying children like Linda Blair and others who have

1263
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:02.199
<v Speaker 2>had these issues, and they specifically say autistic children. So

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01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:05.960
<v Speaker 2>this is some sort of odd government almost mk ulture

1265
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:09.639
<v Speaker 2>type of project that's going on. Yeah, And I mean

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01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:12.719
<v Speaker 2>it keeps with the theme of you know, the Satanic

1267
01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:14.400
<v Speaker 2>and all that. But then in the third one with

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01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the Gemini Killer, we also have these themes of again

1269
01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Phoenix program, program to kill type stuff. Uh. And as

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01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:28.720
<v Speaker 2>you probably know, Dahmer was a odd obsessive fan of

1271
01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the Gemini Killer version, yeah, the part three, and he

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01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:36.039
<v Speaker 2>would supposedly watch it and just rock back and forth

1273
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:38.479
<v Speaker 2>watching his PHS tape of three.

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01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I did an analysis of William Peter Bladdy's book,

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01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:51.800
<v Speaker 1>which is called Twinkle Twinkle Killer Kane terrifying title and

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01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and there's a movie called The Nine Configuration, Yes, which

1277
01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:59.039
<v Speaker 1>has starts Stacy Keach in it, And that's a blatant

1278
01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Phoenix Program movie, I mean and again in that the

1279
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:06.239
<v Speaker 1>protagonist of the movie is playing an unwinning role in

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01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:09.439
<v Speaker 1>finding himself in the very position that he does at

1281
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:10.720
<v Speaker 1>the end at the end of the book, at the

1282
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:13.600
<v Speaker 1>end of the film, where he's he's been hunting himself.

1283
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:17.079
<v Speaker 1>So if people remember, like he's he's brought into this

1284
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:19.520
<v Speaker 1>castle with a bunch of people that have gone you know,

1285
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:22.520
<v Speaker 1>they've they've Section eight or whatever from the army during Vietnam.

1286
01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.560
<v Speaker 1>One of the guys is a is a supposed to

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01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:27.479
<v Speaker 1>be an astronaut, and they're put they're trying to put

1288
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:31.239
<v Speaker 1>on a Shakespearean production and they're all actors in this

1289
01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:36.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of marat sade avant garde Shakespearean production within a

1290
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:37.880
<v Speaker 1>castle where they're they end up sort of playing the

1291
01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:42.079
<v Speaker 1>fools or playing themselves. And the psychiatrist who's brought in

1292
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:46.079
<v Speaker 1>to to diagnose them is Stacy Keach. And then he

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01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:49.279
<v Speaker 1>later and in the end of the film spoiler people

1294
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:51.000
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the film, at the end of

1295
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:54.279
<v Speaker 1>the book, he's broken in this fight where he's trying

1296
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:57.359
<v Speaker 1>to defend the astronaut who's being stomped on by this

1297
01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:02.000
<v Speaker 1>motorcycle just like Kenneth Anger Scorpio Rising motorcycle gang in

1298
01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:05.199
<v Speaker 1>a in a bar, and he breaks to the extent

1299
01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:08.640
<v Speaker 1>where he realizes he is Kane's he's Killer Kane, the

1300
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:11.760
<v Speaker 1>guy he's been looking for, and he remembers he has

1301
01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:14.600
<v Speaker 1>a flashback to where he just was right before this,

1302
01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:17.039
<v Speaker 1>which was in the jungles at Vietnam, and he's carrying

1303
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:20.800
<v Speaker 1>like heads and he's a He's called Killer Kane because

1304
01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:25.079
<v Speaker 1>he like he uses like a piano wire. So he's

1305
01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:28.680
<v Speaker 1>a pure like phoenix program guy. And in the book

1306
01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:32.479
<v Speaker 1>it explains or it shows that he did that thing

1307
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:36.840
<v Speaker 1>in the jungle. He went back, they they X filled

1308
01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:39.800
<v Speaker 1>him out of the jungle. They immediately told him you're

1309
01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:42.560
<v Speaker 1>a psychiatrist, here's your ID, here's your mission. And he

1310
01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:45.359
<v Speaker 1>was programmed right into it, put on the uniform, went

1311
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:48.640
<v Speaker 1>and then immediately went and did this thing where he's

1312
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:51.840
<v Speaker 1>now a doctor. It's total dissociation. But again it's just

1313
01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:55.279
<v Speaker 1>like it's just like this, just like this film with Parallax,

1314
01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:57.319
<v Speaker 1>where he he just kind of walks into it. Ninth

1315
01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Gate also kind of does that. I mean, uh, you

1316
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:04.159
<v Speaker 1>know Johnny deppis, Yeah, he's playing like a noir detective

1317
01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:07.279
<v Speaker 1>who's like on a mission to find this book and whatever,

1318
01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:10.760
<v Speaker 1>but ends up being the guy who fulfills the very

1319
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:12.720
<v Speaker 1>thing in the book at the at the end of it.

1320
01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember too that this is a totally ridiculous movie,

1321
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:20.359
<v Speaker 2>but in a Universal Soldier where Dolph, Yeah, it's like

1322
01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:25.680
<v Speaker 2>he trips out and flashes back to being the guy

1323
01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:29.039
<v Speaker 2>who like collects the ears. Yeah, yeah, but he's now

1324
01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:34.199
<v Speaker 2>he's like a reprogrammed super soldier. Yeah, he's the Universal forever.

1325
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:36.760
<v Speaker 1>But in that right it is, Yeah, it's a Universal Soldier.

1326
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:40.319
<v Speaker 1>And his character in that is based on the guy

1327
01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:42.960
<v Speaker 1>what's the name of that that colonel that Colonel Kurtz

1328
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:46.920
<v Speaker 1>is partly based on from Apoculars down the Ears for Beers. Yeah,

1329
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:49.039
<v Speaker 1>he said ears for Beers. He collected ears on a

1330
01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:52.279
<v Speaker 1>necklace and that that that documentary about that guy is

1331
01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:55.800
<v Speaker 1>funny because he looks not funny, but he looks exactly

1332
01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:57.920
<v Speaker 1>like Marlon Brando in the movie.

1333
01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I always thought that, like in the Brando portrayal, like

1334
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:06.359
<v Speaker 2>they give him this very Kroleian sort of image. And

1335
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:09.439
<v Speaker 2>look like yeah, and one in a couple of scenes

1336
01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:11.680
<v Speaker 2>he actually it actually looks like he's Crowley over there.

1337
01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's that famous picture of Croley like in the

1338
01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:18.760
<v Speaker 1>black pajamas, basically like doing you know, with this nasty,

1339
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:23.640
<v Speaker 1>big old bald head. Also, what's his name? The Stalin

1340
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Scar's guard character in Dune is is clearly stolen from

1341
01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:33.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, purposely stolen from Kurtz. There's a scene, there's

1342
01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:35.840
<v Speaker 1>a scene in what's his name? What's the name of

1343
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:40.479
<v Speaker 1>the black guy of the black guy, the bad guy Baron. Yes,

1344
01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:41.920
<v Speaker 1>so the Baron when they first show him and he

1345
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.000
<v Speaker 1>rises out of the black goo and he's all bald,

1346
01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:46.720
<v Speaker 1>he does this thing where he like rubs his giant

1347
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:51.399
<v Speaker 1>paul over his bald head, and it's just like it's

1348
01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:54.039
<v Speaker 1>just like Kurtz and I think that I did an

1349
01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Apocalypse Now analysis and then Heart of Darkness, and the

1350
01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Apocalypse Now film is obviously supposed to be It's a

1351
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Phoenix Program film. It's it's pure Phoenix Program. I mean,

1352
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:11.560
<v Speaker 1>even Scott Glenn's character Colby is the proto Willard in

1353
01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:14.159
<v Speaker 1>that because when he gets to the place and they

1354
01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:16.960
<v Speaker 1>see all the heads and he says Colby and he's

1355
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:20.000
<v Speaker 1>like standing there with like a well shot a shotgun.

1356
01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:23.239
<v Speaker 2>It's meta LSD M Kaldre too because of the Martin

1357
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Sheen story that he's really tripping in that scene when

1358
01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:30.479
<v Speaker 2>he loses it a legend.

1359
01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, the so Martin Sheen had a heart attack on

1360
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:36.720
<v Speaker 1>the set. I think he actually did have a heart attack.

1361
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:38.560
<v Speaker 1>He was too old to play the character. So Martin

1362
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Sheen's Willard was a last minute fill in because Harvey

1363
01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Kattell had already shot some of the scenes. He was

1364
01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:46.600
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be the guy, and they thought, let's get

1365
01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Harvey Kattell because he was actually a marine. We'll put

1366
01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:51.479
<v Speaker 1>it put him in this thing. But he just didn't

1367
01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:53.960
<v Speaker 1>screen test well or whatever. I mean, he was already

1368
01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:56.159
<v Speaker 1>shooting the film. So then they brought in Martin Sheen.

1369
01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:59.720
<v Speaker 1>And when Martin she did that first scene of you know, hey, buddy,

1370
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:02.199
<v Speaker 1>you go shut the door, I mean he's like, does

1371
01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:05.479
<v Speaker 1>the the tai chi karate chops the mirror and you

1372
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:07.479
<v Speaker 1>know it smashed the samebody. He had a heart attack

1373
01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:11.359
<v Speaker 1>in that scene. The one who was on LSD was

1374
01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:14.279
<v Speaker 1>was Dennis Hopper. Dennis Hopper and Lance the Surfer were

1375
01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:18.800
<v Speaker 1>both so whacked out on I think like Amphetamine and

1376
01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:23.840
<v Speaker 1>LSD when they filmed the scene that Dennis Hopper's character

1377
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:27.039
<v Speaker 1>who is pure, like, that's the Jester character from Heart

1378
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:29.159
<v Speaker 1>of Darkness. He's the same, he's the same character as

1379
01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:31.239
<v Speaker 1>the photojournalist. You can't go out in the space, man,

1380
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.159
<v Speaker 1>you can't go out in the space. And he said that,

1381
01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:37.880
<v Speaker 1>he said that when he got there, that Brando like

1382
01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:40.960
<v Speaker 1>hated him so so when he threw the book at

1383
01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:44.680
<v Speaker 1>him in the scene where he's talking about dialectic physics, man,

1384
01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:47.000
<v Speaker 1>you either you know dialectic logic. You either love somebody

1385
01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:49.880
<v Speaker 1>or you hate him, and he throws Brando throws Jesse

1386
01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Westons from Ritual to Romance like at his head while

1387
01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:55.880
<v Speaker 1>he's reading TS Eliott, And that was that was like real.

1388
01:14:56.319 --> 01:14:59.920
<v Speaker 1>They just they just kept they just kept rolling the foam.

1389
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:03.039
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but it's the same, it's the same sort

1390
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:04.840
<v Speaker 1>of thing. I think Apocalypse Now is kind of the

1391
01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:08.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of like the apex of these types of films

1392
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:14.279
<v Speaker 1>because it's so stylized and so surrealistic, so dreamlike, you know,

1393
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's the you know, people watch the film and

1394
01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:21.479
<v Speaker 1>say that this guy's insane, but actually he's super sane.

1395
01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:24.079
<v Speaker 1>He's he's like, he's like hyper sane, you know. He says,

1396
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm I was above there lying petty morality, whereas something

1397
01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:34.359
<v Speaker 1>like like you were mentioning the body body double. There's

1398
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:36.960
<v Speaker 1>a movie called The Ousterman Weekend with John Hurt, which

1399
01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:38.920
<v Speaker 1>is in the same it's like the tail end of

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01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:42.399
<v Speaker 1>this nineteen eighty three, and again it deals with spies

1401
01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:45.279
<v Speaker 1>and a guy is he The first scene is like

1402
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:49.159
<v Speaker 1>he's he's like doing the hunk of chunka with this

1403
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:52.960
<v Speaker 1>lady and he walks out and then she's assassinated before

1404
01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:54.479
<v Speaker 1>he comes back in it, and they filmed it all.

1405
01:15:55.119 --> 01:16:00.239
<v Speaker 1>So it's a it's a compromise situation. But also that

1406
01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the director of these films, Alan jay I guess I

1407
01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:05.800
<v Speaker 1>thought it was Pacula. I guess it's Pakola. That's what

1408
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:08.399
<v Speaker 1>the guy was saying. But anyway, he died under very

1409
01:16:08.439 --> 01:16:12.199
<v Speaker 1>weird circumstances, just like an Omen and a scene in

1410
01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Austinman Weekend. He was like driving along in some metal

1411
01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:19.720
<v Speaker 1>like piece of a building, flew off of a building

1412
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and like impaled him in his car like a yeah,

1413
01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:26.479
<v Speaker 1>like in the Omen Wow. And at the funeral they

1414
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:29.119
<v Speaker 1>were like, well, I mean you know this guy couldn't

1415
01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:32.560
<v Speaker 1>have filmed it better, I guess, you know. But but life,

1416
01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:35.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, life and art sort of finding their synthesis

1417
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:38.399
<v Speaker 1>somewhere in the middle of this, but so so in

1418
01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:42.359
<v Speaker 1>the end with parallax view. I mean, I just think

1419
01:16:42.399 --> 01:16:45.760
<v Speaker 1>this movie is so crazy. You know, it's it's a

1420
01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:49.479
<v Speaker 1>big film. It's one of these big seventies films, and

1421
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:53.640
<v Speaker 1>it seems like one that would be, you know, right

1422
01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:55.960
<v Speaker 1>for a remake. But I don't, I don't know if

1423
01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:56.600
<v Speaker 1>they could do that.

1424
01:16:56.720 --> 01:16:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you, Yeah, we just watched a couple

1425
01:16:59.399 --> 01:17:05.880
<v Speaker 2>other seven these films that are pretty wild that they

1426
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:08.560
<v Speaker 2>couldn't really be remade, and one of them, like we

1427
01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:10.520
<v Speaker 2>did Dressed to Kill. We got on a Brian to

1428
01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:13.319
<v Speaker 2>Palmer kick. We've been watching all his because he seems

1429
01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:17.319
<v Speaker 2>a pretty good more consistently than I expected to use

1430
01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:21.960
<v Speaker 2>this whole this whole theme of you know, dissociation, trauma

1431
01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:25.439
<v Speaker 2>based mind control. It's all over Brian to Paula films,

1432
01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:27.119
<v Speaker 2>which I should have known, given the fact that he

1433
01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:31.119
<v Speaker 2>did Black Dahlia. But uh, we watched Dress to Kill,

1434
01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:35.119
<v Speaker 2>where Michael Kaine is a you know, psycho, uh t

1435
01:17:35.279 --> 01:17:38.880
<v Speaker 2>R a n Z killer uh, spoiler alert, you don't

1436
01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:41.800
<v Speaker 2>know that until the end, but now you do, and

1437
01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:45.760
<v Speaker 2>that that that also has all the same voyeuristic, you know,

1438
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:49.920
<v Speaker 2>weird obsession stuff that's in all the Brian to Palm movies.

1439
01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:53.399
<v Speaker 2>But another one that's overlooked in the same vein as

1440
01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:55.520
<v Speaker 2>raising Kine where I knew you were going to say

1441
01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:59.840
<v Speaker 2>that Michael H. John Lifke John, you know, a multiple

1442
01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:06.000
<v Speaker 2>who has female alters apparently if by the end of

1443
01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:08.920
<v Speaker 2>the film at least, and that allows him to escape.

1444
01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:14.079
<v Speaker 2>And his dad has said to be a mad scientist

1445
01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:18.399
<v Speaker 2>who's experimenting with traumatizing and creating and programming the altars.

1446
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:22.359
<v Speaker 2>So so we know that obviously to Palma has some

1447
01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:25.159
<v Speaker 2>fascination and knowledge of this, and you know to what

1448
01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:29.760
<v Speaker 2>degree he's he's uh, you know, consulted with agencies or whatever.

1449
01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:32.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but it's obviously there. But you couldn't

1450
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:36.319
<v Speaker 2>make dress to kill again because Michael Caine is I mean,

1451
01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:38.520
<v Speaker 2>we're in the era now where we're supposed to accept

1452
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:43.079
<v Speaker 2>all of this as normal and holy. And of course

1453
01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:48.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, Michael, I got, I got, I've got what's

1454
01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:50.680
<v Speaker 2>he got? He's got a like a barber's knife, right,

1455
01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:53.920
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I gotta cut it off. I got Blake,

1456
01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:56.439
<v Speaker 2>I got Blake. Will what's he say?

1457
01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:01.960
<v Speaker 2>In the movie where they call him peenie Waggy, Peenie Waggles,

1459
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying. I was gonna say that, Michael Caine, Boys

1460
01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Wayne Wayne, mister Jingles. Yeah, a wallie wagger, a weddy wagon,

1461
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:16.520
<v Speaker 2>waeney waggon, weenie wagger, that's what he says, we wager.

1462
01:19:17.119 --> 01:19:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen Have you seen the movie Doctor Giggles.

1463
01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:23.800
<v Speaker 2>A long time ago when it came out, Yeah, I've

1464
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:24.079
<v Speaker 2>seen it.

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01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Remind it sort of reminds me of that that that

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01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:31.279
<v Speaker 1>and that in and dark Man both sort of that's

1467
01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the same character.

1468
01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:35.399
<v Speaker 2>Brian DePalma also does this thing where there's this like

1469
01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:40.399
<v Speaker 2>the there's a flash of light mm hmm all the time.

1470
01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:44.239
<v Speaker 2>So when Michael Caine is supposed to be terrorizing the

1471
01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:47.840
<v Speaker 2>prostitute and dressed to kill, she sees the flash of

1472
01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:52.520
<v Speaker 2>light in the glint of the knife. In fem Fetale

1473
01:19:52.760 --> 01:19:58.199
<v Speaker 2>with Rebecca Ramine Stamos, she's also a double altar Brian

1474
01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:02.279
<v Speaker 2>de Palmer assassin Thie Woman. There's a flash of light

1475
01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:04.800
<v Speaker 2>at the final sequence in the on the Corner where

1476
01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:09.000
<v Speaker 2>all the stuff happens. Anyway, he does this in a

1477
01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:10.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of his films, So I don't know if that's

1478
01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:14.760
<v Speaker 2>like signaling the the you know, altering stepping into another

1479
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:16.159
<v Speaker 2>persona at.

1480
01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:19.119
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well that happened in a Return to Oz. Remember,

1481
01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean she's lying on that she's getting seen by

1482
01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:24.239
<v Speaker 1>the doctor, and there's the lightning storm outside. There's a

1483
01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:27.359
<v Speaker 1>flash of light, and then she runs away and ends

1484
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:30.119
<v Speaker 1>up in the river. But but then when we see

1485
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the scene where they're the doctors are looking at her,

1486
01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:35.720
<v Speaker 1>like all of the instruments look like the people the

1487
01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:38.760
<v Speaker 1>characters that she gets. So the TikTok character is the

1488
01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:44.399
<v Speaker 1>electroshock machine, and the same thing happens in the same

1489
01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:50.199
<v Speaker 1>that same sort of glint thing happens, which in Red Dragon.

1490
01:20:50.199 --> 01:20:52.039
<v Speaker 1>You've seen Red Dragon, Red Dragon.

1491
01:20:52.479 --> 01:20:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like everything turns transfigured basically.

1492
01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean he and he he there's a great

1493
01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:02.880
<v Speaker 1>scene in Red Dragon where he kidnaps the journalist Philip

1494
01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Seymour Hoffman, right, and he like straps him down in

1495
01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:09.000
<v Speaker 1>the in the wheelchair and he says, you are part

1496
01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:12.119
<v Speaker 1>of a great becoming and he's got these tattoos on

1497
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:14.319
<v Speaker 1>his back when Phillip Seamore. I was like, oh no, no,

1498
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:18.279
<v Speaker 1>oh no, you know, he's just and Ray finds like

1499
01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:20.479
<v Speaker 1>turns around and he's like he's got the.

1500
01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Eating. Later on he says another something like, you know,

1501
01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm becoming a deity. It's a poppy type of thing.

1502
01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:32.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah. He when he kidnaps Edward Norton's family.

1503
01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:35.560
<v Speaker 1>At the end, he's holding his weapon is a mirror show,

1504
01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:38.159
<v Speaker 1>which is like a triple meta thing here, he's got

1505
01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:42.920
<v Speaker 1>a he kills with a mirror shard and he's holding

1506
01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the mirror mirror shard to his face and he says

1507
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:49.119
<v Speaker 1>he's changing, He's part of a great becoming. So the

1508
01:21:49.319 --> 01:21:51.680
<v Speaker 1>mirror shard, it's the same in Manhunter. I suppose the

1509
01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:54.399
<v Speaker 1>mirror shard is the broken mirror. Is this broken mind,

1510
01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the broken mind? Yeah, and he's going to transform him

1511
01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:01.439
<v Speaker 1>as part of this red dragon Apathios this which is

1512
01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:05.760
<v Speaker 1>like a gnostic you know, I guess the gnostic Apathios

1513
01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:08.800
<v Speaker 1>is where he is now the beast. But he does

1514
01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:11.119
<v Speaker 1>that through And also he's also in the scene with

1515
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:15.520
<v Speaker 1>phil seymour Hoffen. He's also showing films, so he's.

1516
01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Strapped down a film company.

1517
01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Remember that's right. Yeah, so so this is off. I

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01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:23.000
<v Speaker 1>guess this is often the case with these characters. You

1519
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:25.800
<v Speaker 1>know that the who else worked in a film company?

1520
01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Not Dennis Raider. It was one of the other guys

1521
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:32.079
<v Speaker 1>in Programmed to Kill worked at a film company.

1522
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1523
01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:36.920
<v Speaker 1>And the film is the mirror is the is the

1524
01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:39.840
<v Speaker 1>film of your own mind? You're the star of your

1525
01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:42.920
<v Speaker 1>own film? Yes, which kind of is like is like

1526
01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:47.880
<v Speaker 1>the almost every work that I've covered, almost every literary

1527
01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:51.199
<v Speaker 1>work has the house has this structure of the house

1528
01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:54.760
<v Speaker 1>in it. And the best example is like weather in

1529
01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Weathering Heights, the book Wathering Heights, which where he finds

1530
01:22:57.159 --> 01:23:01.359
<v Speaker 1>is in the movie version when Catherine, the the ghost appears.

1531
01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:05.199
<v Speaker 1>Remember she's this phantasm haunting him that he wants he

1532
01:23:05.319 --> 01:23:07.840
<v Speaker 1>calls her up. He calls her up out of the

1533
01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:11.439
<v Speaker 1>grave to haunt him his psychic mind, and she comes

1534
01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:12.119
<v Speaker 1>to the window.

1535
01:23:12.319 --> 01:23:12.479
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1536
01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:16.199
<v Speaker 1>So they're always either looking through the window outside or

1537
01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:19.439
<v Speaker 1>from outside in and the house, and the windows in

1538
01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the house always function as some sort of looking glass,

1539
01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:27.760
<v Speaker 1>some sort of psychic you know. Yeah, Clims, I had.

1540
01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:32.520
<v Speaker 2>An undergrad class on film and literature and we did

1541
01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Wuthering Heights, and I remember This was like ten years ago,

1542
01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:38.600
<v Speaker 2>but I remember thinking it's something like, wait a minute,

1543
01:23:38.680 --> 01:23:41.600
<v Speaker 2>is Heathcliffe like an altar in her mind? Like doesn't

1544
01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:44.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like a dissociation type of thing or a demon

1545
01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:45.920
<v Speaker 2>or what what are we supposed to think?

1546
01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I think Heathcliff has a kind of physical

1547
01:23:51.239 --> 01:23:55.279
<v Speaker 1>altar because, for one, he's an orphan, he's a he's

1548
01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:58.479
<v Speaker 1>a a street urchin, and he's adopted into this family.

1549
01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:00.960
<v Speaker 1>And the first time that we meet him, we go

1550
01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:04.800
<v Speaker 1>into the house and he's like a monster ruling over

1551
01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:08.039
<v Speaker 1>the house. But he also wanders on the moors like

1552
01:24:08.199 --> 01:24:09.600
<v Speaker 1>he's a werewolf or something.

1553
01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a phantom or something else.

1554
01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he and and what happens is he's a

1555
01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:19.159
<v Speaker 1>child and he's he is ill treated by his family,

1556
01:24:19.239 --> 01:24:21.920
<v Speaker 1>especially his older brother, And then he disappears for like

1557
01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:24.479
<v Speaker 1>most of the novel, and then he returns, not much

1558
01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:27.159
<v Speaker 1>of the novel, but but he returns as a different character.

1559
01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:30.960
<v Speaker 1>He's now a lord and rich, just like Rochester and

1560
01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:35.199
<v Speaker 1>Jane Eyre. But when he comes back, his whole purpose

1561
01:24:35.479 --> 01:24:39.079
<v Speaker 1>is like revenge against the family that gave him that.

1562
01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:43.119
<v Speaker 1>And he's always wandering looking for Catherine, even though he

1563
01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:46.119
<v Speaker 1>drove her. He drove her into this thing. There's a

1564
01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:48.560
<v Speaker 1>great scene in the book and it's in the Ray

1565
01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Fines version where he's standing there with Juliette Binoche and

1566
01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:54.039
<v Speaker 1>then you know she's Catherine. They're falling in love, and

1567
01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:57.359
<v Speaker 1>he he like blind. He covers their eyes and he says,

1568
01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.760
<v Speaker 1>open your eyes. When you open your eyes, if the

1569
01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:04.279
<v Speaker 1>sky is bright, so shall your life be. But if

1570
01:25:04.279 --> 01:25:07.000
<v Speaker 1>you see storms, it'll be it'll be dark. She opens

1571
01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:08.720
<v Speaker 1>her eyes and she says, oh, it's a wonderful day.

1572
01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:10.840
<v Speaker 1>And then you hear this poor you know, and and

1573
01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:14.199
<v Speaker 1>she turns around and it's stormy, and she says, oh no,

1574
01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:17.279
<v Speaker 1>oh no. And he he's got like a smirk on

1575
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:20.800
<v Speaker 1>his face. He's like, yeah, that's gonna be stormy. But yeah,

1576
01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:23.640
<v Speaker 1>he's a kind of a he's almost like some sort

1577
01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>of gnostic arkhon in the movie because he doesn't seem real.

1578
01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:32.279
<v Speaker 1>And also we the reader are looking at him through

1579
01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:34.720
<v Speaker 1>the eyes of the visitor to the house in the

1580
01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:37.359
<v Speaker 1>first place, so there's a distance between us, and and

1581
01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:41.199
<v Speaker 1>they're on the moors, so it's not the locust. Isn't

1582
01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:44.199
<v Speaker 1>the typical London setting, you know, with people all around

1583
01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:47.000
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's already isolated. It's almost like it's outside

1584
01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:50.399
<v Speaker 1>of time. So that that happens quite, you know, quite

1585
01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:53.560
<v Speaker 1>frequently in in in literature. I mean, it happens in

1586
01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:57.399
<v Speaker 1>King Lear, it happens in in in McBeth, hed sort

1587
01:25:57.399 --> 01:25:58.640
<v Speaker 1>of does the same thing. He has a sort of

1588
01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:01.119
<v Speaker 1>a psychic break. Of course, it's his wife who is

1589
01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:03.359
<v Speaker 1>in the coven, is my sort of what I think

1590
01:26:03.399 --> 01:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>about that, who's in the coven who's driving him towards

1591
01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:10.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, he literally goes to a witch's

1592
01:26:10.399 --> 01:26:12.319
<v Speaker 1>sabbath and drinks a brew.

1593
01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1594
01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:15.159
<v Speaker 1>And the and the odd thing about that is that

1595
01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:20.960
<v Speaker 1>all of the Witch movies and all of the verbiage

1596
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:23.159
<v Speaker 1>that they use, and all the books in films since them,

1597
01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>have come from that. They come from that. And one

1598
01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:29.119
<v Speaker 1>of the reasons people scholars say that the play is

1599
01:26:29.239 --> 01:26:34.800
<v Speaker 1>cursed is that he used a real spell in the

1600
01:26:35.199 --> 01:26:39.039
<v Speaker 1>in the play, so it's a it's an inverted spell

1601
01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:41.239
<v Speaker 1>in terms of its verse. So when they're putting all

1602
01:26:41.279 --> 01:26:43.159
<v Speaker 1>their things in the cultar and it seems to be real,

1603
01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:46.079
<v Speaker 1>which would make sense because he wrote it for King James,

1604
01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and King James wrote Demonology in fifteen forty seven. So

1605
01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:52.960
<v Speaker 1>but anyway, but this, this movie doesn't really have that.

1606
01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:57.279
<v Speaker 1>It's it's totally almost straightforward with that, except for you know,

1607
01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:00.279
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like it's the the opposite of that, instead

1608
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:04.680
<v Speaker 1>of having the cinematic bright flashes and the typical things

1609
01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:08.039
<v Speaker 1>that you would see. It's almost so straightforward. I mean,

1610
01:27:08.600 --> 01:27:10.880
<v Speaker 1>I just have a hard time, like getting over what

1611
01:27:11.960 --> 01:27:14.039
<v Speaker 1>over Warren Bati's character in this. I mean, he's like

1612
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>he played Jay Sebring in Shampoo. He's mixed in with

1613
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Polanski and Jack Nichols. Nothing his life, not in the film,

1614
01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:26.119
<v Speaker 1>but he later is in political films. He's in Bulworth

1615
01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:27.680
<v Speaker 1>and all that kind of stuff or whatever.

1616
01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:30.239
<v Speaker 2>But and he marries Madonna for a while.

1617
01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:38.239
<v Speaker 1>So weird. That weird, so odd. But anyway, you guys,

1618
01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>that is that is the parallax view in nineteen seventy four.

1619
01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Anything else you want to say about.

1620
01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:46.279
<v Speaker 2>That, No, it'd just be cool. We should probably, you

1621
01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:48.000
<v Speaker 2>know that we should do a couple more of these

1622
01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:52.880
<v Speaker 2>sixties seventies. They are a political conspiracy thrillers like this.

1623
01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:57.000
<v Speaker 2>There's you know, the classic conversation with Gene Hackman is

1624
01:27:57.039 --> 01:28:00.319
<v Speaker 2>a great one to analyze. We could do something like

1625
01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Day of the Jackal, we could do something like there's

1626
01:28:04.119 --> 01:28:08.880
<v Speaker 2>a ton of these. I found several Michael Kaine, Majo Kaine,

1627
01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Fan Chavkin from the sixties and seventies that are also

1628
01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:17.399
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy intelligence thrillers. I mean, people are probably familiar with

1629
01:28:18.439 --> 01:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Billion Dollar Brain at Chris File, where he's Harry uh

1630
01:28:22.039 --> 01:28:25.880
<v Speaker 2>what's his face, the sort of the anti James Bond character,

1631
01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:27.760
<v Speaker 2>But he's also in a bunch of these others, like

1632
01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:30.800
<v Speaker 2>The Whole Croft Covenant, and he was doing quite a

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01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:34.239
<v Speaker 2>few of these British spy thrillers during the sixties and seventies,

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01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:35.319
<v Speaker 2>so those could be fun too.

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01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's in a lot a lot of movies. And

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01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:41.680
<v Speaker 1>actually I was the other The other guy obviously is

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01:28:41.720 --> 01:28:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Donald Sutherland. I mean Donald Donald Sutherland is I just

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<v Speaker 1>I just caught a replay of the movie Outbreak the

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01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:51.439
<v Speaker 1>other day, and I mean, even post twenty twenty rewatching Outbreak,

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01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:55.439
<v Speaker 1>It's it's just crazy, it's the same. It's just draumatized

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01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>version of real life, you know.

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01:28:57.000 --> 01:28:59.359
<v Speaker 2>And you know we watched the Outbreak during the coup.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And Donald Sutherland is in like all

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01:29:04.279 --> 01:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>of these movies. And I was on T and T

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01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>with Hasher covering Donald Sutherland in a film I can't

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01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:12.359
<v Speaker 1>remember which one, but then he died, you know, he

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01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>passed away just right after that. Actually, and also I

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01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:20.159
<v Speaker 1>just did Chinatown. Chinatown was written by what's the guy's name,

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01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:25.119
<v Speaker 1>John Uh, I can't remember the guy who wrote Chinatown,

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01:29:25.159 --> 01:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>but he passed away the next day, and he did

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01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:30.439
<v Speaker 1>the rewrites for this movie. For a parallax for a

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01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:35.039
<v Speaker 1>parallax view the conversation, Yeah, the conversation is great when

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01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I covered that a while back, because it's, uh, it's

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01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>it's NSA, it's NSA before NSA, you know, and it's

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01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:47.319
<v Speaker 1>it's so amazing. It's also obviously the prequel to Enemy

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01:29:47.319 --> 01:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>of the State with with Gene Hackman. Gene Hackman is

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01:29:50.760 --> 01:29:56.479
<v Speaker 1>in another you know you mentioned, you know, straight up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And and actually the French connection, the basis of the

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01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:03.960
<v Speaker 1>French Connection is the basis of what happens in Six

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01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Days of the Condor. They switched the theme so instead

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01:30:06.920 --> 01:30:11.119
<v Speaker 1>of oil fields, it's uh, you know, opium traffic. Yeah,

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01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:16.319
<v Speaker 1>the uh, the the Tom Clancy what is it called

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01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>without is it without remorse? Is also drug based and

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01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:22.439
<v Speaker 1>then they changed it for the Amazon, which you know,

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01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:23.359
<v Speaker 1>which kind of ruined it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also, you know some of these other there's coma

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01:30:28.079 --> 01:30:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the I think that's a Michael Crichton where they're you know,

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01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:37.199
<v Speaker 2>basically organ trafficking, but also overlaps the mind control Odessa file.

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01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:40.800
<v Speaker 2>I wrote down several possibilities here. Day of the Jackal

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01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:45.520
<v Speaker 2>fresh connection. I've never seen executive action. You might have

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01:30:45.640 --> 01:30:46.479
<v Speaker 2>covered that. I don't know.

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01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:48.560
<v Speaker 1>No, I haven't covered it, but yeah, I was just

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01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking about it during this because it's

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01:30:51.039 --> 01:30:54.439
<v Speaker 1>it totally fits in line with this. Blowout is another one.

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01:30:54.960 --> 01:31:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I goofy face. Yeah, Andromeda Strain is really boring.

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01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I've tried to watch it. We tried watching it in

1677
01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:06.479
<v Speaker 2>the cove. I'd seen it before, and I tried to

1678
01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:08.720
<v Speaker 2>watching it again and put me to sleep. Oh the Fury.

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01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:11.600
<v Speaker 2>We did The Fury with the guys over at Slab Cinema,

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01:31:11.640 --> 01:31:14.159
<v Speaker 2>which was fun in that Brian to Palma two.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so. And and The Day of the

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01:31:16.760 --> 01:31:19.079
<v Speaker 1>you know you mentioned The Day of the Jackal. The

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01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>book by Forsyth is amazing, and The Day of the

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01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Jackal is a great film, you know that. I just

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01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:28.159
<v Speaker 1>before I came on here, I saw an ad for there.

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01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>They remade it with Eddie Redmain. Eddie Redmain was in

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01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:34.359
<v Speaker 1>The Good Shepherd, right, and he's it's a remake of

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01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Day of the Jackal, which would would also fit. And

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01:31:37.399 --> 01:31:40.279
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned David Jackal when we were on DPH. I

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01:31:40.319 --> 01:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>think I mentioned it because you know, anytime you talk

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01:31:43.960 --> 01:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>about assassinations and and and all this stuff, Day of

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01:31:46.760 --> 01:31:49.119
<v Speaker 1>the Jackal obviously plays into it. And Day the Jackal

1693
01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:54.279
<v Speaker 1>is great because it's like this difference between sixties conspiracy

1694
01:31:54.319 --> 01:31:57.079
<v Speaker 1>films and seventies. You know, you have the early Manchurian candidate,

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01:31:57.119 --> 01:31:58.399
<v Speaker 1>and you have Day of the Jackal, and then you

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01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:01.199
<v Speaker 1>and oa a sid World War two related events. A

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01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of Michael Kaine movies are World War two related,

1698
01:32:04.560 --> 01:32:07.319
<v Speaker 1>The Eagle is landed and all these things, and then

1699
01:32:07.439 --> 01:32:10.239
<v Speaker 1>seventies gets into more what we have with this, which

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01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:15.439
<v Speaker 1>is gritty sort of a it's like they took cinema

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01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:18.279
<v Speaker 1>verite in European film in the sixties the end of

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01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:21.239
<v Speaker 1>the sixties, and then they finally caught, you know, kind

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01:32:21.279 --> 01:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>of got a handle on it, and then made that

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01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:26.800
<v Speaker 1>into the seventies and so they have this weird thing

1705
01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:31.079
<v Speaker 1>where they're making Golden Age Hollywood. Films like Chinatown and

1706
01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Godfather are clearly throwbacks the Golden Age Hollywood in terms

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01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:37.479
<v Speaker 1>of their look, but the in terms of their form.

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01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:41.119
<v Speaker 1>But the content is wholly of the time and relevant

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01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:45.800
<v Speaker 1>and revelatory for right now. And I covered I've got

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01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:48.279
<v Speaker 1>a book here called Hunting the Jackal, which is about

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01:32:48.279 --> 01:32:50.279
<v Speaker 1>the actual Jackal. It's a great it's a great book.

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01:32:51.039 --> 01:32:55.920
<v Speaker 1>And there's a series on the Jackal with what's the

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01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>name the French the friend of the I can't I

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01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:01.800
<v Speaker 1>can't remember his name, the French actor. That's that's pretty amazing.

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01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>But the the way that those change in terms of

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01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the de gall the de gall event is is pretty amazing.

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01:33:09.920 --> 01:33:12.199
<v Speaker 1>That's a great film. I mean it's that's that's uh,

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01:33:12.880 --> 01:33:15.880
<v Speaker 1>it's almost a complete opposite of the parallax view. So

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01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, it would be good to cover some of those.

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01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's there, they keep they keep coming up

1721
01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:23.239
<v Speaker 1>and they're so relevant or.

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01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't have I wouldn't mind doing like a

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01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:33.159
<v Speaker 2>DiPalma breakdown, you know, yeah, body double raising, kine, dressed

1724
01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:35.479
<v Speaker 2>to kill because it's all the same and kill for

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01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:38.399
<v Speaker 2>themes there. Yeah, yeah, something like that.

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01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, sounds good. All right, guys. Hey, anybody got any

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01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:44.439
<v Speaker 1>super chats. Let me check the super chats real quick.

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01:33:45.640 --> 01:33:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Let's see here, and thanks everybody. Thanks thanks to Jay

1729
01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:53.039
<v Speaker 1>for coming on tonight and discussing this. Let's see we

1730
01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:55.600
<v Speaker 1>got a Shouts out to real John Connor. Let me show,

1731
01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:57.359
<v Speaker 1>let me get here. Shouts out to the real John

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01:33:57.399 --> 01:34:01.439
<v Speaker 1>Connor who sent ten bucks in and let's see what

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01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:07.439
<v Speaker 1>you said. Fucking open it. Real John Connor sent ten

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01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:13.239
<v Speaker 1>bucks and says for ten mcchickens long ago, one point five. Now, yeah,

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01:34:13.279 --> 01:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>you get one point five mcchickens with ten bucks. Thank you,

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01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:19.199
<v Speaker 1>real John Connor. I appreciate that, yo. Shouts out to Kristin, slowboy,

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01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:22.159
<v Speaker 1>whiteboard out there. Crystaline sends five bucks in no comment,

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01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. Christin, really appreciate you there. Let's see.

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01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Let me look at the actual super chests there. Don't

1740
01:34:27.800 --> 01:34:30.319
<v Speaker 1>forget you guys. You can grab a membership. I've been

1741
01:34:30.479 --> 01:34:32.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of off here for two weeks, busy with doing

1742
01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>stuff in my life, but I'll be back doing members streams.

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01:34:37.039 --> 01:34:39.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll be coming back with I'm gonna do an analysis

1744
01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:42.880
<v Speaker 1>of Lawrence of Arabia, and I've also got a couple

1745
01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:45.680
<v Speaker 1>of sponsored streams coming up. I'm I'm about to do

1746
01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Beast versus Man, so I'll be covering Kujo the book

1747
01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:52.319
<v Speaker 1>by Stephen King and also The Gray the movie with

1748
01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Liam Neeson and the Ghost of the Darkness with Val

1749
01:34:55.119 --> 01:34:58.880
<v Speaker 1>killing It. Also another sponsored stream is I Got The

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01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Trial Franz kaf and then Cosmopolis by Don de Leo.

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01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:07.279
<v Speaker 1>I've covered most of his work now, so we'll have

1752
01:35:07.359 --> 01:35:09.479
<v Speaker 1>that come out. Let's look at some super chats. Here

1753
01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:12.359
<v Speaker 1>shouts out to MAV right there with fifty bucks. He says,

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01:35:13.279 --> 01:35:16.039
<v Speaker 1>fucking m LA get off for it, love you and Jay,

1755
01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:18.920
<v Speaker 1>but Bonnicks out, Okay, thank you, mad for that fifty bucks,

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01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Big Tom, thanks man, really appreciate that. Hey shouts out

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01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:25.199
<v Speaker 1>to Jason right there. Thanks Jason, homeboy, says Jay, say

1758
01:35:25.239 --> 01:35:27.800
<v Speaker 1>the word abyss please. That's two bucks, Jay, say the

1759
01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:30.680
<v Speaker 1>word abysses. That's this. That's the rich.

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01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:32.680
<v Speaker 2>I gotta work with my Michael Kaine to get it better.

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01:35:33.840 --> 01:35:38.880
<v Speaker 2>That nashta beish they talking about. Yeah, that's the Michael

1762
01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Caine when he's playing there you go there, you got

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01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:45.159
<v Speaker 2>James like a butler and that somebody cool gosha bla yahish.

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01:35:49.560 --> 01:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>That's their uh that's their drinking game. Because I say

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01:35:51.720 --> 01:35:54.439
<v Speaker 1>the word abyss. I guess every every stream talking about

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01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:57.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Paradise lost or something shouts out to

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01:35:57.239 --> 01:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Jason right there, shouts out to Peter A for ninety

1768
01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>nine says, you guys have to do these streams more often. Thanks, Peter,

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01:36:02.640 --> 01:36:06.800
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate you. Thanks for that ten bucks, Hey orthow

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01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Boomer Grandma says no, note, yeah, since ten bucks, great stream.

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01:36:10.960 --> 01:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Thanks guys, Hey, thanks, really appreciate you. OBG. Circle G

1772
01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:17.399
<v Speaker 1>sends ten bucks and says, maybe I missed it, But

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01:36:18.079 --> 01:36:20.760
<v Speaker 1>how about Warren Batty's hair? Jay, is that what you

1774
01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:29.479
<v Speaker 1>were going for? I guess Warren batties w Warren Badi's hair.

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01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:31.439
<v Speaker 2>Eight months ago when I was growing up.

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01:36:31.520 --> 01:36:39.159
<v Speaker 1>Maybe what Warren Batty's hair in this is a It

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01:36:39.239 --> 01:36:41.920
<v Speaker 1>looks like a wig. It's just a it's a mop pop.

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01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:36:44.199 --> 01:36:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Uh oh oh, we lost we lost him. He's coming

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01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>back in. We should we should still be good. I

1781
01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:52.359
<v Speaker 1>think he's gonna come back in if we lost to day. Yeah,

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01:36:52.439 --> 01:36:56.159
<v Speaker 1>Warren Batty's hair looks like a wig in this movie.

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01:36:56.279 --> 01:36:59.399
<v Speaker 1>It also looks like Jim was shout out to Circle

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01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:01.640
<v Speaker 1>G for that ten bucks, right there. It looks like

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01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Jim Morrison's hair. It's clearly probably supposed to be Jim

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01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Morrison's hair. Of course, he died three years before this,

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01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:17.439
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one. And let's see, Pim dropped five bucks says,

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01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Reindeer game is a Christmas Rainer game? Rainer game? What's that?

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01:37:21.880 --> 01:37:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Is that supposed to be a reindeer game? Thank you?

1790
01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Pim drops five bucks and says, is a Christmas movie,

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01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:30.319
<v Speaker 1>The Rider Game. Thank you, Pim, really appreciate that. Now,

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01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:33.319
<v Speaker 1>we were saying that Warren Beatty's mop in this looks

1793
01:37:33.399 --> 01:37:37.039
<v Speaker 1>like a wig, probably that he designed himself in the

1794
01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:40.399
<v Speaker 1>movie Shampoo, where he played Charlie Manson and Jay Sebring.

1795
01:37:41.039 --> 01:37:43.439
<v Speaker 1>But it also clearly looks like he's trying to imitate

1796
01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:47.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess Jim Morrison's hair from three years before this maybe.

1797
01:37:49.279 --> 01:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>But Warren Baty's got something weird going like every time

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01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:54.439
<v Speaker 1>you look at me, he's like he's got like duck

1799
01:37:54.520 --> 01:37:57.079
<v Speaker 1>lips going on in this, And sometimes he looks like

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01:37:57.119 --> 01:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Warren Baty. Other times he's dressed like a he's dressed

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01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>like Jacob's Ladder like amati.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, dude, thanks for having us a great chat.

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01:38:09.439 --> 01:38:12.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks, man, really appreciate Hey. One more, We got

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01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:16.760
<v Speaker 1>fifty bucks from MAV. Have you done Spartan yet? That's

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01:38:17.880 --> 01:38:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Val Kilmer. Thanks, MAV. Really appreciate it. I haven't done that.

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01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Terrence, not Terrence Malick or what's his name? The that's

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01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:33.000
<v Speaker 2>a really good uh, it's a really good film, Val Kilmer, right,

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01:38:33.119 --> 01:38:36.279
<v Speaker 2>but he's he's seeking the president's daughters been kidnapped and

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01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:38.640
<v Speaker 2>then there's like this a lot of stage craft going

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01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:40.520
<v Speaker 2>on in that, but it was written by what's his face?

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01:38:40.600 --> 01:38:41.239
<v Speaker 2>I just went blank.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy who did Glengarry Glenn Ross. I think, uh,

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01:38:45.159 --> 01:38:46.800
<v Speaker 1>the play right, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he's uh supposedly became a libertarian conservative a

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01:38:51.239 --> 01:38:53.600
<v Speaker 2>few years back and I got black ball from Hollywood

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01:38:53.680 --> 01:38:55.119
<v Speaker 2>because he was listening to Glenn Beck.

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01:38:57.039 --> 01:38:59.840
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I just went like on his name the

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, mad. I really appreciate that. Fifty bucks. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks everybody. Thanks, Jay, really appreciate you and we hope

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01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:09.880
<v Speaker 1>to speak to you soon. Man, appreciate you. Good night, y'all, peace, peace, y'all. Thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>see y'all on the see you next time. Hey, listen.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it worth it? Yeah, it's worth it if you're

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01:39:16.439 --> 01:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>strong enough that's right. Hey, everybody, If you want to

1824
01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:22.279
<v Speaker 1>support me, you can do that through anytime, through super chats,

1825
01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:25.319
<v Speaker 1>and I will be back soon with those streams that

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01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I just mentioned. Love y'all, Appreciate y'all. That's all I got,

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<v Speaker 1>and peace,