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quite a few interesting details in the documents so far.

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the documents yet. As I understand, there's still about a

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third that are being still withheld, so there might still

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Speaker 1: Also, we learn that certain search terms don't work very well.

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So let's go over here too. And when a lot

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and this was already out there, it's true. So some

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of these documents probably were all ready to classify. But

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keep in mind, I mean, you can only do so

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much in twenty four hours with eighty thousand pages or

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whatever it is, and most people don't have time to

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read this. People are saying, oh, let's put it into

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you know, chat GBT or figure out some AI or

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program or whatever. Well, it's a lot of these documents

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are really difficult to read because of the you know,

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old print and the typewriters, et cetera. So we're gonna

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try our best to kind of walk through.

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Speaker 2: The ones that.

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Speaker 1: I found from what was going around on Twitter that

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were the most interesting and the most relevant. I'll save

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the hottest of those towards the end, but that also

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was something pretty much well known in regard to James

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those four or five pages so far are pretty relevant.

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of what Piper and Roger Stone have talked about in

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their text. But there's also other connections that are very

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fascinating that, as you know, vindicate a lot of what

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we've been looking into for the last several years. And

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this relates to, you know, my own background being in

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the world of Catholicism, and so a lot of Roman

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Catholics get really mad today but will not come on

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and discuss or debated. I've asked one of the larger

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set of a contest apparently set of a contest profiles.

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Speaker 2: They ran away, they blocked me.

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Speaker 1: They won't come debate, but I still shared it. If

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any of them want to come and discuss this, they're

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welcome to bring their information. And my chief source on

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this is of course the famous Roman Catholic lawyer and

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traditional writer David Wimhoff, who wrote this excellent, massive tone.

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Speaker 1: It's almost a thousand, so a thousand page tome here

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John Courtney, Murray, Time Life Magazine, and the American Proposition.

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And Weimoff's book is exceedingly well documented. I think he

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has about eight hundred ish footnotes, and he really just

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goes through even a lot of the material that you've

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heard me cover, setting the stage for the papacy in

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the twentieth century and how we got to Vatican two.

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do for many years.

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Speaker 2: So this is actually a.

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Speaker 1: Really good kind of an addition to the Quigly texts. Now,

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in regard to Gladio, people were saying, oh, you've only

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read one book on Gladio. No, I've read multiple books

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on Gladio. But I don't even consider that I'm.

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Speaker 1: It's not like I can, it's not like I just

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like everything's tending on my views of Gladio. And I

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listed a lot of these texts. You know, First of all,

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the first time I heard of this was about twenty fourteen,

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maybe earlier, from fle Wingdahll Wingdall Flee Mingdahl Full Spectrum Dominance.

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looks like a PhD thesis. I think NATO's Secret Army

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by doctor Ganter. There is Paul Williams's text Operation Gladio.

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about spies in the Vatican.

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Speaker 2: That he's a.

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Speaker 2: And I've covered many.

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Speaker 1: Other texts, so I have a long time spent in

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this subject matter. Again, this one's a thousand pages. And

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even that I don't still don't even think, oh, that

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makes me an expert. I'm not a subject matter expert.

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it was known as Gladio, as as I did with

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the internet and they won't come defend their positions to me,

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it's just a signal of attention seeking or just completely

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reached out to historians, I've reached out to professors. I've

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asked Trent Horne to suggest other people since he won't

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do it to debate the geopolitics of the papacy. Know,

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one of these guys making a big fuss on the

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internet on his blog claims he's a papal historian, but

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he won't come debate it. So they all love to

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talk smack and say, oh, he's only read one book.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm an expert. In fact, if you

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got information that would correct any of my theories, I'm

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more than willing to be corrected on it. Welcome every

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big eleven hundred. But what we're going to see.

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Speaker 1: What was discussed in a lot of the Gladio literature

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is once again backed up, and not just the Gladio idea,

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but in fact the usage of the Roman Catholic Church

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time people will be able to piece together more. But

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make the screen bigger. And this one talks about the

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CIA exploiting its connections. I can't even read that. You'll

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notice most relevant is the last section, which says with

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which CIA has exploitable access in regard to the Catholic

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Church in these certain nations. Now, remember for most Normies,

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or for most Roman Catholics, or even Tridcats, they think

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this is actually outlandish. They think that, oh, you're a

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will have this type of religious infiltration and subversion. And

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so the Roman Catholics who are saying that I don't

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talk about this in Orthodox, it's just completely not true.

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Jim Jatras on the subversion of the ecumenical patriarch. Somebody

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keeps you're welcome to come speak that. I don't know why

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you're going emoji crazy anytime I see if somebody going

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emoji crazy, Cajun, stay them, you want to come talk,

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you're going emoji nuts.

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Speaker 1: Let's have a debate on this subject. Nobody will ever

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come to bate me on the geopolitical stuff. That's interesting. Cajun,

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stay them, what's up? Come on, look, I want people

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foreign nations, which I just did an entire three hour

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lecture on the other end.

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away Cajun, which that means he's got to be Catholic

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if he's Cajun.

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Speaker 2: And then he runs away. So that's what you give

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Speaker 1: None of these Roman Catholics, not one of them in

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two years, can come defend the papacy's tie ins at

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a geopolitical level with the intelligence agencies and the corruption

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of the Vatican Bank and the money laundering in things

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Speaker 2: Even their historians don't want to come defend it.

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Speaker 1: Every time I bring this up that they say, oh,

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why are you ignoring your own church's problems, the Orthodox

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Church with KGB. No, No, do you understand I've already

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Cold War Athenagoras and others working with the OSS and

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the CIA when those documents were declassified. So it's people

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whine and bitch when we've covered the actual declassified cables

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where they're talking to Dulles and the OSS. What are

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you what are you talking about? So it's like the

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we did a whole lecture on that book, and then

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Cryptic enigma. We're going to go through these documents, but

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 7: I'm mute, dude, Hello, Yeah, I like your stuck man.

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Speaker 8: You have a really interesting take about that, like what

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and ties and all that.

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Speaker 9: So I am.

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Speaker 8: Roman Catholic, but I'm just trying to find out what

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mean there's corruption in any institution. And are you saying

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that any corruption or the amount of corruption eventually discredits

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an institution like especially like the papacy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe you can go into a little bit right.

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Speaker 1: So, No, the argument is not that corruption is the problem.

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papacy is the foundation of the church. But now wait

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a minute, if the papacy is being influenced by outside

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because you'll get different answers from Roman Catholics about the

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question of is the decision of the pope by the

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cardinals of the Holy Spirit is it an infallible magisterial decision?

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the problem that many Roman Catholic apologists and even Benedic

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the sixteenth brings up. Well, then why did the Holy

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Spirit in so many papal elections choose already known corruptible

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or a corrupted evil men. And secondly, if it's not

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magisterial then if a fallible pope is elected, if the

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decision of the papacy itself is fallible, then by definition,

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all of the actions that he's doing would also then

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potentially be fallible. So it seems to me that if

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is infallible, you would also need to have infallible decisions

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to choose that pope. Otherwise you could always conceivably question

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the election of that pope. So that to me is

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a good example of how if the CIA, for example,

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was deeply involved in helping Paul the Six get elected

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because the CI was concerned about the Cold War pro

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Marxist positions of some of the cardinals that might get elected,

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how am I supposed to believe that? So now, what

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the Holy spirits leading the CIA to help the Vatican

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make these decisions.

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Speaker 2: It's just it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: So, no, the argument is not applicable to the Orthodox

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Church because we don't have a position like Vatican One

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that says that the papacy is the infallible rock of

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the political a sense of like elections and the seats,

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and I get with the.

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Speaker 4: Infallibility of the pope.

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Speaker 8: And them being elected by other people.

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that people are not flawed and imperfect.

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flawed and imperfect. It has to do with magisterium and

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everybody believes that. It's not about impeccability. It's about the

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question of indefectibility and infallibility of the magisterium.

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magisty room right that that and then everyone's just kind.

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that your church defines about itself what magisterium is and

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what infallibility and ex cathedral are.

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are basically they go against what the Church claims that

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since they're being subverted.

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of a fallible election of an infallible leader. That's one

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argument separate from the question of geopolitical influence of things

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like the CIA and the American deep state in the

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papal elections, and ultimately beyond that with the Vatican Bank

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and it being used to funnel money for black ops.

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in Nosratat, but that's the result of elements of Western

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intelligence agencies, people like John Cortney. Murray was working with

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the CIO on record to get a liberalized document passed

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at Vatican two. So that's another example that it's not

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just weakness and human failings, it's the run macaloity Church

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Speaker 8: Okay, interesting, I'm kind of a dumb dumb, especially with

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like historicity, but it's an interesting I have to hop

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Speaker 8: But uh yeah, thanks for thanks for askering my questions.

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Speaker 2: Going into a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit sure again, the book that you would want

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to read is David wim Hoff's magisterial text, John Courtney Murray,

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Timelife Magazine, and the American Proposition. The American Proposition is

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called the Doctrinal Warfare Program. It was declassified in twenty thirteen.

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I just did a video, a little short video the

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other day covering it that got quite a bit of views.

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Speaker 2: But if you go to my channel you'll see then

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Speaker 1: It in I don't know, let's see hour and a

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half and then three hours four and a half.

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Speaker 2: These are both part two.

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Speaker 1: So this is about eight hours on this book that

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I've lectured on this book, if you want to go

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deep into his book now, David Wimoff is a traditional

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Roman Catholic lawyer. He's not an orthodox conspiracy bro. He's

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not a libtard. He's a trad cat, so you guys

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need he goes on trad cat podcast. He's been on

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with Flanders and Marshall or whatever. But it's not just

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tradcat critics like this material. You can find quite a

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bit on it in mainline academic literature. I covered the

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Michael Graziano book Aaron into the Wilderness, which is an

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academic history of the CI's relationship to religion. We did

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a whole lecture on that book. So it's crazy, like

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I lectured through all these books and all you people

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just talk shit on the internet and you can't defend

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any of your positions. And when the declassified documents come out,

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you just act like thirteen year olds and you have

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another breakdown. So what does this document say? This is

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a document just pointing to the CAA during the Cold

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War exploiting its contacts, thank you in the Roman Catholic

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Church in a lot of Latin South American countries. That's

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just one example. Okay, So I found that one interesting.

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me that one.

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Speaker 2: Let's see.

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Speaker 1: The next one that I noticed was interesting was this

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is a line reporting entity called Leading Report. They noticed that,

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and this was already well known if you looked into

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this literature, because of course Jack Ruby is part of

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organized crime and the Middle Eastern intelligence or seeing me,

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the Middle Eastern faction of organized crime. If you understand

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what I'm referring to So Jack Ruby is out of

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that outfit, and he was working, he was a mobster,

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and so the nightclub, if I recall, was Jack Ruby's nightclub.

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So that's in the memos apparently. But this was already

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known and in the JFK research for many years. So

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this is another thing positive that was verified because people.

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Speaker 3: Say, oh, it's a dowey if you'd say that Oswald

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was hanging out.

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Speaker 1: If I recall, Ruby owned a strip club steakhouse, and

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so wait a minute, why is Lee Harvey Oswald going

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to the steakhouse strip club of the guy who would

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later take him out. Well, it's not hard to figure

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out if you understand the basics of this narrative.

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't think we have to know.

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Speaker 10: We don't.

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Speaker 1: It's just kind of it's like the Big Nine event,

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like we don't have to know perfectly every single piece

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of detailed information and regarding regarding this event. Now this

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refers to a lesser known thing which I.

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Speaker 2: I don't have.

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Speaker 1: I have Michael Collins P's book have my other location.

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It's not in this library, so I can't look it up.

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Speaker 2: But he I think you mentioned this.

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Speaker 1: I read that book in two thousand and eight, So

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we're like seventeen years out for me reading that book, people.

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Speaker 5: Are like, oh, I've been pioneering the role of Middle

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Eastern countries in this JFK thing. Oh really, like when

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I read the book in twenty two thousand and eight,

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and yeah, look, yes, JFK opposed certain Middle Eastern countries

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having a nuclear program.

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Speaker 2: Demona, I've known.

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Speaker 1: About that since two thousand and eight. What are you

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talking about now? This relates to a network or a

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group of Cubans in Chicago, one of whom is named

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that's a weird name, Ekavaria. Echavaria, Echavaria. And this was

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a investigation memo. This is weird too.

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Speaker 2: Because this might have already been declassified. Don't know it says.

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Speaker 1: It says declassified seventy six or eight, but it says

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special Agents Tucker and Noonan investigation of the claims of

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Echavaria and Ekavaria says that he was attempting to negotiate

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the sale of weapons to a group and that he

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made a comment allegedly the day beforeating JFK and the

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taking out of JFK with a group of backers from

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say the Middle East that would take care of Kennedy. Now,

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this doesn't mean this is a person that in the

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investigations says this, okay, So it's not like Diehard proof.

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It's just one of several of these where people are

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saying throughout the years of this investigation by the different agencies,

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and by the way, the FBI, I think has their

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own files on this. So one correction that should be made,

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because this is going around and I looked into this one,

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people are saying the nineteen fifty six Hungarian riots were

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orchestrated with the support of the CIA. Now it turns

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out that this is not talking about that. If you look,

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it actually says the HFFF. But that's a group that's

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an NGO created after this event in nineteen sixty three. However,

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it not outside the realm of possibility. It's very likely

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that the CIA did aid the anti Soviets and sought

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a regime change coup in nineteen fifty six during the

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Speaker 2: That certainly makes sense.

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Speaker 1: You can find London Telegraph articles that talk about British

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intelligence training these people. So it's not I mean, most

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likely the CIA did as well. But this is really

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a minor point. This one is the one I think

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most people expected to see and is probably one of

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the more damning, which is that the CIA does not

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have objection to the declassification of these documents except for

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the mentioning of the bracketed which is quote I Intelligence

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Speaker 2: The Middle East.

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Speaker 1: So here you have the CIA admitting, probably because they

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don't want to have you know, a damaging I mean,

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you could look at it from like a just a

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basic geopolitical perspective that they don't want to have a

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damaging relationship through the release of these documents, and so

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that's why that was put there. Or you could say

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it's more conspiratorial that they're told you've got to do this.

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the history of the CAA and in the CAA who

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have been pretty vocal about not being pro Israel. You

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can go back even to the Bush era when Bush

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shifted away from Israeli intelligence and was interested in the

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Safari Club being an outfit which was Saudi connected and

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all that. There's a whole story behind that which is

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unique and interesting that not many people know about. And

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that doesn't mean that Bush Senior didn't still have connections

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or uses for Israeli networks or whatever. But it is

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relevant because there are tons of CIA individuals who do

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not particularly care for Israeli intelligence or the Israelis or

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are critical of it. And so it's not a unified

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thing where everybody in the CIA just does what they're told.

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of the bin Laden Unit. I've shared that clip twenty times,

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and Schuyer in many interviews says that the main problem

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in American geopolitics and foreign a policy is Israel. And

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he's made that criticism for like two decades, and he

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was the head of the bin Laden Unit for the CIA.

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So it's not like everyone in the CIA had this attitude.

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In fact, Dulles and others back in the classic era

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of the CAA were seemingly a little more on the

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side of Tonny mustache Man, and you know, they were

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involved in Operation paper Clip this kind of stuff. So

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there was not a unified mindset even in the CIA.

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get people like James Jesus Angleton, who was you know,

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very much pro Israel, very much pro Zion. In fact,

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there's a garden dedicated to him in Israel, and he

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had a back channel with I Intelligence as well as

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some of the documents will show now in regard to JFK,

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this one was one of the more interesting documents. I

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don't know if this document had already been declassified. It

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looks like one of the new ones, because there's a

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lot of claims flying around. So you know, anything I

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say that's incorrect, I welcome being corrected. We just had

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to mention a correction a last night's dream in regard

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to that fake Bob Bear interview from many years ago.

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Speaker 2: But this one is.

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Speaker 1: Interesting because it notes this character by the name of Underhill,

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who had been an intelligence agent in the in World

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War Two. He was recognized as an authority on limited

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warfare and small arms. He was a researcher and a

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writer on military affairs. He was on a first name

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basis with a lot of the time brass and the Pentagon.

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high ranking CIA officials. He was the agency's on people

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to sort of a ghost operative. He performed special assignments

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and at one time had been a friend of Samuel

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Cummings of inter Ramco the arms broker that numbers amongst

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its customers the CIA and Klein's Sporting Goods of Chicago,

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where the mail order Carkano allegedly was purchased by Oswald.

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Now remember that this is the Chicago is where this

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group of supposedly Cubans who are hired to do this

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event with JFK. That from the previous memo, the Echavario

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guy that.

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Speaker 2: Was also out of Chicago.

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Speaker 1: And the reason that's relevant is because the leader of

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the mafia in Chicago was sam Giancana Momo, who is

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a you know, tied into CIA and Operation Underworld, and

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i mean Operation under World is older, but the CIA

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continued the Underworld alliances with organized crime. I've interviewed Sammy

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the Bull Gravano, the most famous living I mean I've

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been on his podcast like ten times. I mean, he

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pretty much confirms all that as well in our discussions.

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And so you've got the reason also that the mafia

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is a key player in this is that the mafia

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what were mad at the Kennedy brothers for many things

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00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,400
that were cracking down on the drugs. The mafia had

477
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,920
helped RFK get elected, and so that was in Chicago

478
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,839
for a call. So they helped the vote rigging there by.

479
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: And this is well known.

480
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: Everybody knows this, not even that really really that's controversial anymore.

481
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,359
And then RFKA Junior, when he started cracking down on

482
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,240
organized crime, he instead of arresting Carlos Marcelo, who was

483
00:28:56,319 --> 00:29:02,000
the New Orleans based gangster that was running the mob

484
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:06,640
out of New Orleans, he banished him to Guam or

485
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,880
somewhere like they like put him in a plane. They

486
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,480
flew him to Guam and just dropped him off. Well,

487
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:18,400
he made his way back through a shrimp boat apparently,

488
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,119
and when he got back he was like, Okay, we're

489
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,640
gonna take care of these Kennedy boys because we helped

490
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,680
them get elected. They don't want to do what we

491
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,440
are telling him to do. And Carlos Marcelo is famously

492
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:37,039
on tapes. The FBI has recorded tapes, but they're inadmissible

493
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:42,160
because they were recorded illegally. Marcelo bragging that they got Kennedy.

494
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,960
You know, there was we the mafia did this, not

495
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:45,759
just the mafia.

496
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:46,079
Speaker 2: They say.

497
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,519
Speaker 1: So people are overly simplistic. They think, oh, was it

498
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:51,839
the mafia or was it the CIA? Well, the CIA

499
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,400
has worked with the Mafia since the oss An operation Underworld,

500
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,039
which we've lectured on that also does tie into Gladio.

501
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,640
So this document mentioned this CIA or this deep state

502
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,920
operative guy who had been talking about this. The day

503
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,799
after the assassination, Gary Underhill left Washington in a hurry.

504
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,720
Late in the evening, he showed up at the home

505
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,160
of friends in New Jersey. He was reagitated. A small

506
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,359
clique within the CIA was responsible for the assassination, he confided.

507
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:22,960
Guess what, that's exactly what backs up Most of the

508
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,759
theories in regard to this, whether it's Michael Collins, p

509
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,640
whether it's Roger Stone's book, and other books, by the way,

510
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,759
have focused on one of the groups, the Mafia, CIA,

511
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:36,319
other countries.

512
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,279
Speaker 2: Those are not wrong.

513
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: They're just looking at certain angles of the players that

514
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,880
were involved in this.

515
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:50,799
Speaker 2: So remember the.

516
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: The mobsters are used because they're convenient ways to organize

517
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:59,240
a hit. I'm not saying necessarily the mobsters themselves directly

518
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,039
did the hit, because, as we mentioned with when we

519
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:04,759
interviewed Sammy the Bull, Sammy pointed out that the way

520
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:06,799
we would do this is if it was something like

521
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:10,400
a high profile thing, we wouldn't directly do it, we

522
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,920
would find another kind of person wound up to either

523
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,880
be the patsy or to be the one that would

524
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:18,960
do it and take the heat.

525
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:19,279
Speaker 2: Et cetera.

526
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: So this is a pretty interesting document because it does

527
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:33,559
back up basically the kind of Secret Team analysis that.

528
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: You get in Fletcher Proudy.

529
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:39,039
Speaker 1: Right, So Fletcher Prouty in his book Secret Team says,

530
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:42,960
I was in this. We're part of a you know,

531
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:47,200
a breakaway click basically the CIA that runs around the world,

532
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,240
and we do assassinations, sabotage, coups, fake news, regime change.

533
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,119
Speaker 2: You name it. It's what we do.

534
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:58,599
Speaker 1: And you know, you could take issue with some of

535
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,720
its claims maybe maybe, But I mean the book is

536
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:05,279
pretty well known, it's pretty famous, and why would why

537
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,160
would anything this be surprising? By the way, It's like,

538
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:10,559
after all the things that we've learned in the last

539
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,799
five years, like all this another should be surprising. So

540
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:20,440
this one I think was really interesting. This memorandum about

541
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,079
this guy who was part of the Pentagon and was

542
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:26,160
a sort of a ghost operator, probably some kind of

543
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,480
a he sounds like Fletcher Proudy's Secret Team kind of guy.

544
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,400
And he says, yeah, this was an organized crime and

545
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:36,880
the CIA, a faction of the CIA doing this. Now

546
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,920
here's a little more of this. It says the friends

547
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,839
whom Underwill Underhill visited say he was a sober person,

548
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,279
but he was badly shook. They say he attributed to

549
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,279
the Kennedy murder to a CIA click that was carrying

550
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:55,359
on a lucrative racket in gun running, narcotics and other contraband.

551
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,759
He was manipulating and they were manipulating political intan figures

552
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:03,519
to serve their own ends. Kennedy supposedly got wind as

553
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:07,960
something was going on and was killed before he could

554
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:11,599
blow the whistle. Although the friends had already known Underhill

555
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,359
to be perfectly rational objective, they at first didn't take

556
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,720
him seriously. We couldn't believe that the CIA could contain

557
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:22,519
a corrupt element every bit as ruthless and more efficient

558
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:29,759
than the mafia. Really, So that one is, I think

559
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:34,079
pretty good. This one is a little less clear. RT

560
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:38,720
found this or mentions this. It's just says it says

561
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,680
secret bases and it's a list of like but we

562
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,000
don't know exactly what that means. Is this like CIA stations?

563
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,160
Is this torture facilities? Is this a black site? Is

564
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,559
this a safe house, you know, but probably not relevant

565
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,000
anymore since it's going back to like the Cold War.

566
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,200
Here's another one that says the CIA was wanting to

567
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:04,119
keep the Warren Commission out of the public domain, and

568
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,279
they had every reason.

569
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: To do that. Now, why would the CIA have.

570
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,559
Speaker 1: Every reason to not want people to know what the

571
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,760
Warren Commission was finding? That, to me speaks to a

572
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,079
cover up. Here's one that is another Catholic in g

573
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,440
O organization. And to the Catholics who been mad and

574
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,440
fussing and bitching at me, this isn't a string of

575
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,320
documents that I've been covering. This is not a sole

576
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,599
isolated document because when I posted this somebody said.

577
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: Oh, they had one operative in a ng so what now?

578
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: This is one operative in in Go amongst many operatives

579
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,079
throughout the Roman Catholic Church. But this was an outfit

580
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:52,719
called Catholics Catholic Association for International Peace. And the document

581
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,159
notes in section three that the above items were received

582
00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:01,440
by Oliver Corbiston, who has joined CIA app CIP for

583
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,440
cover cover purposes. And so he's a CIA operative who

584
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:10,480
joined this outfit as a cover That's just one example

585
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:17,320
among many. This one is uh several documents that another

586
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:22,119
profile found and this is an Operation Mongoose. And the

587
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:25,760
only reason I re shared this one is because in

588
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,920
the stream that we did what two nights ago on

589
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:31,599
certain Middle Eastern countries and their intelligence, I did a

590
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:32,480
three hour talk.

591
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 5: You don't ever talk about the countries in your Middle East?

592
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:37,639
Oh really, I did a three hour talking it.

593
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: You don't know. Oh really, I covered Victor Strowski's masade.

594
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:41,679
Speaker 4: But oh.

595
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,039
Speaker 1: Well, this relates to it because this is Operation Mongoose.

596
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,440
And he says, this shows a CIA playbook on how

597
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,639
they conduct regime change. Now this is correct because this

598
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,440
is basically the same sort of pattern or model. It's

599
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,320
a technology, color revolutions, it's all the same type of stuff.

600
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: These files highlight.

601
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,639
Speaker 1: How CIA used psyops, media, espionage economics to target the

602
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,960
Cuban politicians, use covered actions. The documents even mentioned black

603
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:22,119
market activities Dulah exactly like Gladio. They used Time magazine

604
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,800
as an implement of dissemination. Why would they use Time magazine, Well,

605
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,480
that's because Henry Lewis of Time magazine was skull and

606
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:32,519
bones and worked closely with the OSS and the CIA.

607
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,280
And that's a gigantic section of David Wimhaw's book, which

608
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,199
we have already been talking about.

609
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 2: The CIA has been.

610
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: Controvertibly engaged in regime change for decades. Well, yeah, who

611
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,800
doesn't know this? They use a similar playbook. That's I

612
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,039
think an interesting point that it's a similar playbook. What

613
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:54,880
evidence is there that the sai I ever stopped Well,

614
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,840
of course they didn't. We've been talking about color revolutions

615
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:04,000
for years. We already mentioned Fom Mengdol in all these

616
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:10,000
other texts. This is extremely pertinent to the war in Ukraine.

617
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:16,360
You have Victoria Newland, you have Operation Mongoose, with many parallels.

618
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,719
So you can go read this. I'm not going to

619
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,559
read all these documents there because that one's kind of

620
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:23,800
people already knew about Operation Mongoose. But it's an interesting

621
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,800
side point. Another document is mentioned here, which is that

622
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:35,559
it looks like Arthur Schlessinger, who was one of Kennedy's

623
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:40,719
close advisors. He warns Kennedy about the CIA being too powerful,

624
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,320
too reckless, and having a government within a government.

625
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: Hmm, what does that sound like?

626
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,679
Speaker 1: Have we ever heard the idea of a state within

627
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:54,280
a state, like a shadow government or a deep state?

628
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: But this is actually mentioned.

629
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: By slashing her the advisor to Kennedy in National Archive

630
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:11,360
file one seven six dash one zero zero three zero

631
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:14,960
dash one zero four two two. So there's that document

632
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,280
and another interesting one which we all already kind of

633
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,039
knew about, but maybe a bunch of normies didn't.

634
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:22,199
Speaker 2: Know about this.

635
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: It's another CIA file dealing with nineteen sixty three document

636
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,639
internal review of the agency's drug recruitment efforts, noting a

637
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,079
significant lack of significant results. The document stresses that the

638
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,239
program shortcomings were due to inefficient handling of delayed responses

639
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,599
in Cuba, where candidates were initially eager but lost motivation.

640
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:59,400
It says drug dips. So I'm guessing that means drug recruiting.

641
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,280
I mean, I don't follow Mario in the Fall, so

642
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,199
I don't know what he's talking about, but it sounds like

643
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:08,760
recruiting people involved in organized crime. Again, not a shocker

644
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,519
if you know about uh, you know, Operation Underworld.

645
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: In view.

646
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: In I can't read that. It's too blurry, but it

647
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,239
just mentions drug dips.

648
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,119
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.

649
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:46,119
Speaker 1: Connect This one is the most probably interesting of these.

650
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 11: I have.

651
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen anybody say these were previously released.

652
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,960
But this is of course one of the key connections

653
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:57,840
that was written about and theorized about by this you know,

654
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:03,239
the hardcore JFK conspiracy nerds, and this was the connections

655
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,079
and the back channels that James Jesus Angleton had with

656
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,519
certain foreign countries. And you'll notice that the memo mentions.

657
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: Here, let's see what it says.

658
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,079
Speaker 1: As you're aware Angleton, the CAA frequently turns over to

659
00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:20,800
the Bureau highly confidential basis information which has been developed

660
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,480
through operations head about Angleton. In many instances, the information

661
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:28,360
is given to the Bureau without clearly going through the

662
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,920
regular CAIA channels. In almost all instances, it is given

663
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,199
to us with a clear understanding that if including a

664
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,480
report or other communication prepared for dissemination outside the Bureau.

665
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,039
I'm guessing this is an FBI document that the CIA has.

666
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:47,280
It says it can be traced back either to Angleton

667
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,639
or the CIA. In such instances where the information is

668
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:55,480
relates to Middle Eastern country, it has been the practice

669
00:40:55,519 --> 00:41:01,679
of Middle Eastern country. And then the next document says,

670
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:05,480
in fifty four a procedure was approved whereby we could

671
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,920
attribute certain information receive from James Jesus Angleton CIA under

672
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,119
the symbol of Bureau in Format one hundred. This information,

673
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,840
for the most part, emanated from a liaison agreement which

674
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,639
the CIA maintained with Middle Eastern Intelligence and from other

675
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,920
sources under the control of Angleton. Much of the information

676
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:30,159
was developed by him and was not disseminated within the CIA.

677
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:33,800
He felt that the data should be passed to the Bureau.

678
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,440
Dulls gave him the authorization to handle the dissemination in

679
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,760
this way. We continue to receive information of.

680
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,039
Speaker 2: This nature.

681
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,079
Speaker 1: Of value on a regular basis, so there's a back channel.

682
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,280
Then it goes on to say, as you know that

683
00:41:56,679 --> 00:42:05,039
continued individual captioned captioned individual is providing the Bureau with

684
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:09,320
considerable information, much of it of a very sensitive nature.

685
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,480
It has been noted that in transmitting communications to Angleton,

686
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,920
some memoranda have been sent to the Director of the

687
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,440
CIA Angleton in care of E. F.

688
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 10: Hall.

689
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: Other memoranda dealing with Middle Eastern Eye intelligence matters have

690
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,800
been directed to Engleton. And then it goes on to

691
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,760
say Engleton states that the above request was being made

692
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:46,400
with the approval of Dulles, Director of CIA. He further

693
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,760
indicates that he desired the above method designation in connecting

694
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,400
with correspondence dealing with Middle Eastern intelligence with regard to

695
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:06,039
the Bureau report. So again just another statement of back channel.

696
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:18,840
And then this one says Angleton handles special cases. He

697
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:24,320
has considerable freeway, a freedom in leeway. He is directing

698
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,920
the operations of his unit. In general, he is responsible

699
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,960
to the CIA numerous foreign sources and channels for developing info.

700
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:42,840
The primary source is Israeli intelligence primary source. So Angleton

701
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:48,400
is essentially backchannel attached at the hip to Middle Eastern countries.

702
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:52,199
Interesting which I think everyone already sort of knew.

703
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 2: But here we have full on.

704
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 1: Documentation which it looks like these are FBI files, which

705
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,039
is interesting too. Have people digging and finding other more

706
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:06,960
interesting things. This has only been twenty four hours, maybe

707
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,119
even less than twenty four hours according to Lord Voldemort.

708
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:13,039
There's another one third of the documents that have not

709
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:17,039
yet been declassified, so we might actually see, you know,

710
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:23,599
more stuff dropping that's even more wild or interesting. But again,

711
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:25,920
it looks like it confirms pretty much what most of

712
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,320
the researchers assumed.

713
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Speaker 2: Or thought was going on.

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Speaker 1: Who had, you know, kind of hardcore integrative takes that

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integrated mafia CIA and they're foreign countries. We want to

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Shizz the Mormon who had his head cut off and

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he raised up and gasped for breath when he was

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had his head cut off by coriantomer or are you

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speaking of Messiah Ben Sasquatch, the other Mormon.

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Speaker 2: Messiah or the actual member grandmother.

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Speaker 1: I we read that the alder Bana two dollars, what

759
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stops the classification for being a siout. Actually, there's not really.

760
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,239
I don't think that you could even rule that out.

761
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,719
I mean, I'm sure there have been many fake false leaks.

762
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:12,880
But also when you have declassification or something like this

763
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,239
for your requests, when they back up, you know, the

764
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,239
theories that are critical of the establishment, then it's probably believable.

765
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,760
But no, there's nothing that you know, you could Yeah,

766
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,400
you could conceivably have a fake leak or what's called

767
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,400
a limited hangout, And usually a limited hangout is not

768
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:37,599
totally fake information. For it to be effective, it has

769
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,840
some true information and then it'll mix in a bunch

770
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,519
of disinfo. But I mean, the idea of a Middle

771
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:46,639
Eastern country being connected to this that was so controversial

772
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:51,599
for so long. I don't find there's nothing, by the way,

773
00:47:51,960 --> 00:48:00,519
in the documents that disproves any of the major conspiracy elements. Rather,

774
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,440
there is information that appears to be new as far

775
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,519
as i'm ware, But I'm not a JFK expert. This

776
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:11,239
has not been my I have not spent twenty years

777
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,559
on this, So I read a handful of books on it, right,

778
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:21,440
Jim Mahers, Mark Lane, Michael Collins, Piper some other less

779
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,880
credible conspiracy texts on it, and I just kind of like, Okay, yeah,

780
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,800
this is obviously, like you know. And then I've read

781
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,360
a lot of stuff on the history of organized crime

782
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,079
in the CIA.

783
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Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, to me, it's kind of obvious.

784
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: So I didn't spend you know, years in the GfK

785
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:39,159
rabbit hole because obviously it's kind of like the Big

786
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,159
Nine events, Like, Okay, I don't believe the official story,

787
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,840
so what more do I need?

788
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:47,079
Speaker 2: So we're going to open it up now.

789
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: People want to come on, ask questions, if you would

790
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,440
like to debate the topic, if you got any Roman,

791
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,440
if we have any Roman Catholics want to discuss the

792
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,320
geopolitical angle of the papacy and Catholicism coming up in

793
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,639
some of the documents, feel free to request to come

794
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:03,119
on and I'll let you make whatever arguments you want.

795
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,480
VESI Vlad Jay, what do you think the reasons are

796
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:13,039
behind the documents being released? It seems to implicate America's

797
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:16,719
greatest allies and yet our air strikes have returned.

798
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. There could be a lot of different motivations.

799
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,280
I mean, oh, there was a.

800
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Speaker 1: Clip of Pompeo saying that he didn't want them released,

801
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so I don't think he would say that he basically,

802
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,199
basically he was the one that was blocking the release.

803
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:39,800
So what does that tell you?

804
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 2: Luca? What's up?

805
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Speaker 4: Man?

806
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Speaker 2: My name is Luca, isn't that? Uh? What's her name?

807
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,320
That that?

808
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Speaker 1: I forget that one's name? Gotta I'm mute, man, you can.

809
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Speaker 12: You hear me?

810
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,679
Speaker 5: Huh?

811
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Speaker 13: I don't.

812
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Speaker 14: I don't expect to be brought to be honest, but

813
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I just want to ask a few things that like,

814
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the Orthodox Church isn't infiltrated at all by like the

815
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KGB and stuff.

816
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: Or what in the past did you were not here?

817
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Speaker 1: I covered this, I literally covered this like the first

818
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thirty minutes.

819
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Speaker 4: Oh okay, I wasn't here, so my bad.

820
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

821
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Speaker 1: So no, As I said, I've interviewed subject matter experts

822
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on the relationship of the KGV and the n k

823
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v D to the Orthodox Church in Russia and other

824
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Orthodox churches as well. I've talked about the CIA's infiltration

825
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also of the Orthodox Church. Uh, there are Orthodox writers

826
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who write on this subject. You can go to Orthodox

827
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England and read essays that have been there for fifteen

828
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,400
years on the Internet discussing the position of ro Corps

829
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between the KGB and the CIA and the difficulties that

830
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ensued from that. You can look at the history of

831
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ro Corp itself being invited in many cases to the

832
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West because you had a lot of white Russians fleeing

833
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Bolshevik and Soviet persecution. So idiot Roman Catholics act like

834
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ro Corps is KGB, which to me just shows how

835
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,719
stupid they are, because the very entity itself is fleeing

836
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,559
from Soviet persecution, bullshit persecution.

837
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: It's just stupid at the and ignorance. People have no

838
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clue what they're.

839
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: Talking about, and they just spit this crap out on

840
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,400
Twitter all day long, just showing their idiocy. So it's

841
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,599
way more complex than that. And in fact, even in

842
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:49,599
the structure of the KGB in Russia they had tiers

843
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of compromisability. Did you know that it wasn't a total

844
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:58,639
KGB church. There were tiers that the KGB had about Okay,

845
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:02,840
this bishop is totally comp this bishop is flexible. This

846
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,599
bishop is not compromisable. Okay, so this idea that it's

847
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:10,920
all black or white is just totally stupid. I interviewed

848
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,199
Metropolitan jonah on that, who is a subject matter expert

849
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,119
on the history of the Russian Church, and I interviewed

850
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,559
Jim jottrass on that talking about this subversion of the

851
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:24,840
ecumenical patriarch. So like this, this idiot client, you.

852
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: Only talk about the CIA the church.

853
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,519
Speaker 1: No, I don't talk about the CNAP all the time too.

854
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:38,039
Hang your head, Hey, just a quick question. I haven't

855
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:39,800
got to read any of these stuff yet.

856
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:45,599
Speaker 9: Obviously interested for this particular nation that's involved that we've

857
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,519
found that's come out that's making all the press.

858
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:50,679
Speaker 4: You just talked about, what does it have? You got

859
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,079
to read it and do you know does it mention

860
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,400
in what way specifically they're involved?

861
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 15: And then, uh, because I'm kind of new to this stuff,

862
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:00,599
and I was curious.

863
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,159
Speaker 1: I mean again, where I'm not being rude, like we're

864
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:05,039
you're not here for the last hour where we talked

865
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,159
about it. So we went through every angle of James

866
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,639
Jus Angleton there that's in the documents.

867
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: We went through.

868
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: The Echavaccio or Evacascio, whatever his name is, the Cuban

869
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,320
guy and his claim, and so again it's just sort

870
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,239
of backs up what Michael Collins, Piper and Roger Stone

871
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:27,760
had theorized. A confluence of elements. So the CIA was

872
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:31,159
not happy with certain things that Kennedy had said about

873
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:35,280
breaking into a million pieces. Certain Middle Eastern countries were

874
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,800
not happy about Demona nuclear program, et cetera. And again,

875
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:43,239
Piper wrote his book in two thousand and five. I

876
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,159
read it in two thousand and eight. So the people

877
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:47,079
on the internet saying that.

878
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 3: I'm the first person to talk about this, you know

879
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:51,280
where you're not?

880
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? It's been in his books.

881
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,599
That's a giant book too. It's like seven or pages

882
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:02,119
from two thousand and five is and he's from The Spotlight,

883
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:05,760
which was one of the first entities to expose Bilderberg group. Okay,

884
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,000
Jim Tucker, Jim Tucker used to go to Bilderberg for years.

885
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,639
He's in the old documentaries at Lord Baldemort, at Bilderberg.

886
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,599
I used to read The Spotlight, so I know about this.

887
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,840
I read I read the book seventeen fricking years ago.

888
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,719
Artie Lucas, what's up.

889
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,599
Speaker 4: Hey, Jay, Good to see you.

890
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:35,119
Speaker 16: I know you have studied espionage for a long time,

891
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:36,960
and my question.

892
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 4: Is about double agents.

893
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 16: Seeing the current developments in Ukraine, which you agree that

894
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,519
there's a lot of Russian infiltration in Samaga Make America

895
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,679
Great Again camp and seeing this weird the foreign policy

896
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,639
of Trump's administration, I can only see Israel's and Russian's

897
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:01,000
foreign influence, and it's interesting how it's completely one to

898
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:06,239
eighty degree is shift from Biden's administration policies. It's interesting

899
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,199
to me how deep state, if it exists, how did

900
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,760
it allow this.

901
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: Deep state? Deep state? If it exists, do you understand?

902
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,239
The New York Times wrote an article about how glad

903
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,920
they are that the deep state does exist. What do

904
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,239
you mean does if it exists?

905
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 16: Well, if it exists, then why do they allow all

906
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,119
these crazy things happening, the deconstruction of dead men?

907
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: If it exists, didn't you just say that Israel supported

908
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:36,400
what you're talking about, Well.

909
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 4: That's what I mean exactly.

910
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 17: If there's deep state, let's say, administrative state state of

911
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:41,480
the United.

912
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Speaker 16: States, do they work with Israelis and Russians in a

913
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:47,800
way that as you said, it's not black and white,

914
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,760
it's double agents, it's foreign influence. And the question that

915
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,079
I'm getting at is this one eighty degree shift that's

916
00:55:57,159 --> 00:56:03,400
obvious to everyone in foreign policy. How could deepstate allow

917
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:06,480
this craziness to happen?

918
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 4: Like was that planned before Trump? Is Trump even the player?

919
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,360
What's happening there?

920
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I mean, yes, there are double agents,

921
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,360
but I don't think that this is some massive sixty

922
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,159
six dimensional chess game where everybody's a bunch of double agents.

923
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:28,519
And no, actually, Russia is running everything and Trump is

924
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:33,079
working for Russia. For one, the Steele dossier, the p

925
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:38,079
Gate memo, all of that was fictional material from British intelligence,

926
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,920
just made up. So if there is proof of this,

927
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:46,920
where is it. Where's the proof that Donald Trump is

928
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,119
in bed with the Russians? I mean, we've heard this

929
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:53,960
from the establishment for the last ten years almost and there's.

930
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: Zero proof of that. Now.

931
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: Trump is very pro Middle Eastern country, but that to

932
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,800
me seems to be the main vector of criticism. I

933
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,360
don't see this Russian stuff that Russia's running all this.

934
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,480
And another reason why there's a flip on this is

935
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:22,760
that the Ukraine war is terribly unpopular. Nobody in America

936
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,719
wants that. And by the way, are you saying that

937
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,960
the Biden family in its regime was not engaging in

938
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,679
a giant money laundering operation with Hunter and Barisma and

939
00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:32,000
all that.

940
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: So that's all fake too, Like.

941
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,239
Speaker 1: The narrative of the establishment is so preposterous that we

942
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,480
know it's not true. And to say if there's a

943
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:45,360
deep state, if there's a deep state, well there can

944
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,719
be a deep state, as the documents admit, and they're

945
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:53,280
not all powerful, like just because there's a deep state,

946
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,079
all they run everything, They're behind every single every event,

947
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everything that happens is a deep state, Mimi. I mean

948
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Victoria Nelan has said what the plan was, like not

949
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even controversial. She says, yeah, there's bioweapons around Ukraine. Yeah

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we did this, Yeah we did that, Yeah, color revolution.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean?

952
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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that Russia doesn't have intelligence capabilities or

953
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that they don't engage in Every nation engages in all

954
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these same activities, right, But who I really believes that

955
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Russia is telling America what to do? Okay, we all

956
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know that America does what the Middle Eastern countries like.

957
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm man, what's up?

958
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Speaker 4: Okay? Hey, hi Jay, what's up? Hey? Thank you for

959
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letting me speak in your space. I just want to

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talk about Moscow. Moscow if you look up.

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Speaker 18: To statistics of strollers and.

962
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Speaker 4: Car seats and so the most what.

963
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Speaker 19: If you take a road trip into Moscow beautiful, that's

964
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where Putin is.

965
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Speaker 2: At strollers and car seats. What are you talking about?

966
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Speaker 4: Right?

967
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Speaker 2: I don't understand what you're talking about.

968
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Speaker 13: What I'm saying is is family bound?

969
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Speaker 2: What's family down Moscow?

970
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Speaker 17: Like no abortions like Putin, don't believe in like pride

971
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and all that type of stuff.

972
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Speaker 2: Mike, what's up? Unmute Mike, Hey.

973
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Speaker 4: J can hear me?

974
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Speaker 2: Yep?

975
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Speaker 4: Hey?

976
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Speaker 20: My question is I had two questions. That first question

977
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is do you think it's conspicuous that these files were

978
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released just as as it's starting to heat up with

979
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the Gaza strikes again where the ceasefire was broken, then

980
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all of a sudden, these documents.

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Speaker 4: That implicate Israel were released.

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Speaker 20: My second question is, I know James forrestall that people

983
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aren't aware.

984
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Speaker 4: I'm sure you're aware was forced.

985
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Speaker 20: Into a mental hospital in the late nineteen forties or

986
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early nineteen fifties.

987
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Speaker 4: He was against Israel for various different reasons.

988
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Speaker 20: He was allegedly thrown out of a building in a

989
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,119
mental hospital. His son actually worked I forget which position,

990
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but it was in the.

991
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Speaker 1: Executive Oh this is the navy guy, right, Yes, he

992
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:28,719
comes up. He comes up in the Gladio literature too,

993
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:32,280
because he were okay, wow, yeah, because he was part

994
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of the because he knew he was involved. I'm not

995
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saying he's a bad person, but he was involved in

996
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:42,480
navy planning in regard to uh was it Operation Husky,

997
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:46,760
which was I think the invasion of allan invasion of Sicily,

998
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And he at some level was involved in Gladio.

999
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Speaker 4: But go ahead, I guess. Oh yeah, that was my

1000
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first first question. And then follow up on my second question.

1001
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Speaker 20: Do you think because James Forrest, James Forrestall was against

1002
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,039
Israeli influence in the United States and then his son

1003
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ended up working for JFK. Junior, is that enough on

1004
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,920
the surface to at least speculate heavily towards Israel or

1005
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,400
do you think there has to be more there?

1006
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:17,159
Speaker 1: Let me pull up the page here in the Gladia

1007
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,760
book from Williams on Forrestall and see what he says, because.

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Speaker 20: I remember when I first read that, and I was

1009
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:24,360
like almost kind of shy. I was like, wow, his

1010
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,679
son worked for JFK. Like that's that, don't that's just

1011
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,880
that seems too that that just just seems too.

1012
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Speaker 4: Uh to aby with.

1013
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:40,079
Speaker 1: But well, I mean, you know, I don't know. I

1014
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:43,719
mean there could be multiple uh you know, motives for

1015
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,400
these kinds of things, but I wouldn't be surprised. I mean,

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you know, people don't know that the mafia was organized

1017
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by Middle Eastern country. So the structure of the mafia

1018
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:04,840
is luck k Luciano structured it the way mayer Lanski

1019
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,840
and others helped him structure it. I think that's right

1020
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going from memory here.

1021
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Speaker 2: So it's not just.

1022
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: Italian organized crime. Italian organized crime was structured via Middle

1023
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:22,880
Eastern organized crime.

1024
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:38,719
Speaker 4: Mall, mall, do.

1025
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Speaker 2: You want to talk?

1026
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:47,599
Speaker 1: You have to turn your it's not letting you come

1027
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:51,039
on here, so you have to turn your speaker on.

1028
01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 3: Eric.

1029
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: Now, on top of this, it's interesting that not many noways.

1030
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My first thought was, it's interesting that CIA headquarters is

1031
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:08,960
right now or was a few minutes ago under a

1032
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:15,960
shut down due to a open pop pop. So listen

1033
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:16,239
to this.

1034
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:18,639
Speaker 21: We don't have a lot of details. We're showing a

1035
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:24,239
live shot of the headquarters of Central Intelligence in Langley, Virginia.

1036
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,559
That's in northern Virginia. It looks like a police presence.

1037
01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:29,239
Is some barricade up. I want to put that in

1038
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,400
the box and as we know more here at Real

1039
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,639
America's Voice war Room, we will update you. But something

1040
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:37,760
quite odd.

1041
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: That to me is interesting.

1042
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:44,719
Speaker 1: So the day after the release, there's an open pop

1043
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,880
pop at the CIA headquarters in Virginia.

1044
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:52,079
Speaker 2: What's up, Eric? That could be a distraction.

1045
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:53,519
Speaker 4: What's going on?

1046
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 15: Man?

1047
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:54,239
Speaker 4: Can you hear me?

1048
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 14: Uh huh?

1049
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 4: Nice dude, Hey, love.

1050
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,559
Speaker 11: Your stuff, big fan, you're You're kind of one of

1051
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:01,039
the main.

1052
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 22: Reasons I've started attending Orthodox Eastern Orthodox Church here in Franklin.

1053
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: So thank you for all you do.

1054
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 22: I've been listening a lot to all your theology videos,

1055
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:09,400
et cetera.

1056
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 4: All your stuff is great.

1057
01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:16,559
Speaker 22: Also lovely working with Sam Hyde recently found out came

1058
01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:20,000
up in conversation with some Orthodox friends of mine last

1059
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:21,280
night about Tesla.

1060
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Speaker 4: Do you know much about.

1061
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:27,159
Speaker 22: How him being raised you know Eastern Orthodox as his

1062
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:29,880
father being a priest. Do you know do you have

1063
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,960
any thoughts on like how Orthodox theology and sort of

1064
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,800
some of his ideas about light and energy are related,

1065
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:38,519
or do you have any.

1066
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Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't be surprised.

1067
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the Orthodox doctrine of

1068
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:48,800
energies maybe tangentially affected him in his worldview. But my

1069
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:54,559
understanding is that as Tesla got older, he got into theosophy.

1070
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:57,480
So I don't think he stayed with Orthodox theology. I

1071
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,880
think he got into sort of you know, goofy, weird

1072
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,079
philosophical stuff. It doesn't mean that his discoveries weren't true,

1073
01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:07,440
It's just that from a religious perspective, it probably was

1074
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,039
an influence and then it seems to have kind of

1075
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:11,599
gone off into kooky stuff.

1076
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Speaker 4: Have you done any videos about this or any studies.

1077
01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:19,039
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I wrote an essay about this

1078
01:05:19,519 --> 01:05:22,599
maybe fifteen years ago, but I haven't really thought about

1079
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it or revisited it in many years.

1080
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Speaker 4: Can I ask you one more question? Sure?

1081
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Speaker 22: So, you know, just with being new to the Orthodox

1082
01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:35,400
Church kind of being raised Protestant, was Agnostic.

1083
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,639
Speaker 4: For a while and then coming back around to.

1084
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,239
Speaker 22: Church and God through aesthetics and music and things like that,

1085
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,960
you know, went to school for music, so kind of

1086
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:46,559
coming back around to God and believing in Jesus through

1087
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:51,039
a different way, you know, esthetically and whatnot, but you know,

1088
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:53,440
still still have somewhat of a Protestant mind, just being

1089
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:56,199
raised that way. And so I've been getting into conversations.

1090
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Speaker 2: With my mom.

1091
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 4: I don't know, I've heard.

1092
01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 22: You say stuff like, you know, you don't want to debate.

1093
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,239
Speaker 4: Your parents, just love on them.

1094
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,519
Speaker 22: So we've been having conversations, nice conversations that haven't turned

1095
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:08,840
into arguments, but just sort of trying to point her

1096
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,159
in different directions to kind of look into the history

1097
01:06:12,159 --> 01:06:15,159
of the canon and things like that. So I was

1098
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:18,440
just wondering if do you have a good resource. I

1099
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,599
know you mentioned that Lee McDonald book, but do you

1100
01:06:21,639 --> 01:06:24,000
have like what's like a good resource for her to

1101
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:32,800
kind of look into that isn't so like I guess

1102
01:06:33,679 --> 01:06:35,559
is a little bit more boomer friendly. Some of your

1103
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:38,920
videos are a little a little intense I find.

1104
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:41,039
Speaker 4: Funny, but like, I mean, the problem she would take it.

1105
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:43,199
Speaker 22: The best way, but like she she's in she's open.

1106
01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:46,079
Speaker 1: Minded enough to where you will yeah, sorry, no, it's okay.

1107
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,079
I mean the problem is that the canon is a

1108
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:52,559
kind of a difficult topic, and I don't know that

1109
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:57,719
there's one easy book on it. Maybe a little easier

1110
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,840
than Lee McDonald's book is F. F.

1111
01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: Bruce's book Cannon Scripture.

1112
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: Because he's an evangelical scholar and it's a little less

1113
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,079
technical than Lee McDonald's book. So maybe try to give

1114
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:11,639
her something like F. F. Bruce's Ken of Scripture book

1115
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:15,320
and then say, hey, you'll notice, you know, he mentioned

1116
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,159
tradition and the role of tradition in the canon, you know,

1117
01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:22,480
throughout that book, so you know, how how is a

1118
01:07:22,519 --> 01:07:28,760
Protestant can you remain Protestant soci scripture without that key

1119
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,559
role tradition. Also, there's a book by Yarslav of Pelicon

1120
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:36,119
that's pretty good Whose Bible, Which tradition? I think it's

1121
01:07:36,119 --> 01:07:38,119
called That one's pretty good too. Maybe that one's a

1122
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:42,760
little easier even for Boomers than Bruce's book, and he's

1123
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just kind of dealing with the history of the different

1124
01:07:45,360 --> 01:08:01,199
canonical traditions. Oh my gosh, Ben mystic. There was a video,

1125
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:09,360
uh where Pompeo was talking about why he blocked the

1126
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,599
release or it was related to here. It is Liz

1127
01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:17,720
Churchill on at West Point. You Will Not Lie to

1128
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,279
your steal and tolerate those who do. I wasn't a

1129
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:21,960
sedge director.

1130
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 4: We lied.

1131
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: We didn't see at all.

1132
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 15: It's like we we had we had an entire we

1133
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:28,720
had entire trading course.

1134
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:33,399
Speaker 1: Uh, they're all cheering and.

1135
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,159
Speaker 2: We're the best of lines, jet and stealing dog.

1136
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 12: Maul.

1137
01:08:41,159 --> 01:09:06,119
Speaker 2: What's up man? You'll try against.

1138
01:08:56,119 --> 01:08:57,199
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry, I've just changed.

1139
01:08:57,239 --> 01:08:59,279
Speaker 18: And I don't know if you've covered this question before,

1140
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:00,680
but about the files?

1141
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 4: Do you where about the files? The JK?

1142
01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, sorry.

1143
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,520
Speaker 18: Do you do you have any sort of idea as

1144
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,239
to why the CIA requested Israel's redaction from the files?

1145
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,159
Speaker 1: Well, we said earlier that most likely that they might

1146
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:22,600
consider that damaging the special relationship between the two countries

1147
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:27,920
at a basic level, and then at a more conspiratorial level,

1148
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,560
it might lead to you know, retaliation and some sort

1149
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:36,399
of you know, maybe compromising information comes out on somebody

1150
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,720
leaking the you know, opening up the files.

1151
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah?

1152
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:46,520
Speaker 18: And why so why with that request do you think

1153
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:51,479
they released it? I don't know, totally up in the air.

1154
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 2: Well, it's totally up in the air.

1155
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, I think, you know, people

1156
01:09:55,840 --> 01:10:01,760
think of Trump as completely devoted to the Middle Eastern

1157
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,800
country's cause, and he does often seem to be, but

1158
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,279
every now and then he'll also seem to not be

1159
01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:10,720
as devoted, which I don't know the explanation for that,

1160
01:10:11,079 --> 01:10:17,399
For example, sharing the Jeffrey Sachs stuff critical of these actions.

1161
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,880
Why this is let loose now, I mean they could

1162
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,680
have just they could have let it loose and just

1163
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,760
like deleted all these documents too. So that's like, I

1164
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,000
don't understand like people think that, you know, just because

1165
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,279
it's released, like it couldn't be tampered with. I mean,

1166
01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:35,119
they could have not had any these documents in there

1167
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at all, which.

1168
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

1169
01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:43,119
Speaker 1: I don't know what the motivations are, but yeah, I

1170
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mean a lot of things have been happening, you know,

1171
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,479
to take the Daily Wire as an example, right, So,

1172
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:52,199
like so Ben Shapiro doubles down, doesn't allow any criticism

1173
01:10:52,319 --> 01:10:55,760
of the Middle Eastern countries actions and positions the last

1174
01:10:55,800 --> 01:11:00,279
couple of years, Daily Wire doubles down on that doesn't

1175
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:03,760
really allow that there that kind of just begins the

1176
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,600
descent of Daily Wire into irrelevance. Daily Wire tries to

1177
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:13,199
recoup by bringing on all these clowns and degenerates like

1178
01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:17,720
Destiny and Nalla and all these weirdos, and so that

1179
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,800
seems to be just sort of spiraling away. And it's

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like people don't They're not reading the room, is what

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I'm saying. Like this is all over Twitter, all over

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the Internet. People are not being boomer towards anymore. Yeah,

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that's so they're not reading the room at least entities

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that keep trying to push like, you know, the mindset

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of neo conservatism like ten years ago. This is not

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01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,039
twenty sixteen Internet, man, this is We're out of boomerdom

1187
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,239
and boomer evangelicals and the Christian dispensation is nonsense. I mean,

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look at this dude today. What's his name? This freak

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misfit Patriot. And I'm not trying to be mean here,

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because you know, I'm sure every man has dirty thoughts

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or temptations to dirty thoughts, because guys have that. However,

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mine involve women, they don't involve dudes, and they don't

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involve anything entering the exit only from behind. And people

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apparently uncovered this allegedly miss fit Patriot's profile here. My

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quip was miss fist Patriot because of his profile name there,

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but I don't think this should be surprising anyone, because

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I mean even Bryce and Gray kind of and other

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people were picking up on Skittles tendencies here shall we say?

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And bryceon Gray's not the smartest cookie in the cookie jar?

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Speaker 2: Is he?

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Speaker 1: But anyway, so in other words, like this is like whatever,

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like normy conservatism is.

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Speaker 2: People are done with that, dude.

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01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:22,079
Speaker 1: Nobody wants purple haired, blue haired by sexual creep weirdos

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telling them about the Middle East and geopolitics.

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Speaker 2: People are just sick of it, Sapphire.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about destiny all these creeps, Safire,

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01:13:38,079 --> 01:13:38,399
what's up?

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Speaker 14: You know what?

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Speaker 10: I'm mute?

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01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:40,159
Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 23: Hello, yeah, I know you're uncovering a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of the JFK stuff today. I'm curious.

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Speaker 23: Have you seen the letter from JFK Junior that was

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sent to Joe Biden?

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Speaker 4: And are you familiar with that at all?

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01:13:52,119 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 2: I did see that. I don't know what to make

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of that, because.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you go back to Burmus's videos, Burmas's

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archived Biden's role in the Big Nine event, and Biden

1221
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,840
did play an interesting role there because he went and

1222
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met with General ma Mood and discussed the meeting. Then

1223
01:14:12,199 --> 01:14:16,319
said there was no meeting. That's when money was transferred

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01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,479
hundred and twenty thousand dollars to Pakistani ISI and Biden

1225
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talked about it in that secret back door channel that

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they had with the Pakistani i SID which relates to

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the Big Nine event. Again, just go watch Burmas's archived

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clips of that. That's on record. So in other words,

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Biden is he's not at the top of the pyramid,

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but obviously he played some important role. I think back

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at the time at the Big Nine event, he was

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like the intelligence chair or whatever the Senate, you know,

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did intelligence chair or something.

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Speaker 2: I think that was his role.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, I'm sure that he's in the background

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of this stuff as a kind of an adjacent person.

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He's not running everything. But I'm not surprised if that

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was true that he said Biden's a trader. But somebody

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was I don't know, but somebody was saying that the

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FBI supposedly looked into that, and it's not a real letter.

1241
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I don't know, but I did see a lot of

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people talking about it.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I looked into it too, and from what I'd

1244
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:22,920
seen on some articles on it, it's like the FBI

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01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:26,680
confirmed that like the author is anonymous, but the signature

1246
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,319
is still on it. Oh really, it's like they have like, yeah,

1247
01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:31,720
they have expert like doctors and stuff. Surely they would

1248
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know if someone like fabricated the signature. You know, they

1249
01:15:35,039 --> 01:15:37,439
caught it, you know, Tekezinski that way. So it's like

1250
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it seems like it actually was his signature. So I'm wondering, like,

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how the hell did that get on the letter?

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Speaker 4: You know, just doesn't make any sense.

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01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 2: That's a good question, you know.

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01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's JFK researchers that would know more about

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that than me.

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Speaker 2: I'm not super.

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Speaker 1: I'm not super deep in you know, the JFK stuff.

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All Right, it's up and for him. If anybody wants

1259
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,840
to come on and ask a question, if you'd like

1260
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to have a debate discussion, we have Nicholas Bucci ten

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01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,720
dollars your advice on the best way to study the

1262
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,520
Church fathers. I would start with Athanasius on the Incarnation.

1263
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I would read Basils on the Holy Spirit. I would

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read the five theological Orations of Gregory nazian Zeus, and

1265
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then I would read or begin perhaps with read those,

1266
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but begin with the post Apostolic fathers.

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Speaker 2: Can't.

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Speaker 1: That's beat that. That's probably the easiest way to start

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01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,720
reading the Fathers. I have a friend that assists the

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01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:35,439
Dudo Chronicles prove papocy in purgatory. I have no idea

1271
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,399
how an idiot Roman calviy would think that the Dudero

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Cannon and Maccabe's proves the papacy.

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Speaker 2: That sounds completely insane to me. I would love to

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hear a.

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Speaker 1: Roman calvic try to make an argument that McCabe's proves

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:52,399
the papacy. That just seems completely outlandish and purgatory. I

1277
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mean has after you mean, we use the text of

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maccabee's to show that we pray for the dead, But that's.

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Speaker 2: Not a proof of purgatory.

1280
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: Is the created fire of God burning you as a

1281
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,279
payment for your temporal debts for sins? There ain't none

1282
01:17:08,319 --> 01:17:11,960
of that in Macabe's. Referee Rob Jackson one dollar, thank

1283
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,920
you to appreciate that. Guys, you can support the stream

1284
01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:17,600
via superchats. Superchats you're done through stream labs or natively

1285
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:21,000
through YouTube. You can also join the channel and get

1286
01:17:21,039 --> 01:17:23,079
access to these topics. If you like to know more

1287
01:17:23,119 --> 01:17:25,399
of my thoughts on some of these geopolitical issues. You

1288
01:17:25,399 --> 01:17:28,279
can become a member, and I did just cover a

1289
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three hour.

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Speaker 24: Talk on certain Middle Eastern things been the mystic uh

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oh ay ay.

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Speaker 25: I was wondering, I never heard of your take about

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01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,600
your personal experience with the Big Nine event. I was

1294
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,479
wondering where you were, what was your take on that day,

1295
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,479
and when did your view on it start to shift

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towards malfeasance on the part of our government.

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Speaker 2: I was at work and.

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Speaker 1: We used to have a like a radio that was

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in the paint mixer I used to I was a

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paint mixer, so I was mixing paint when it happened,

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and I remember listening to it on the little radio

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there and I was, you know, I remember being blown away.

1303
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,600
I was like, well, this is crazy. I can't believe this

1304
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:25,520
is happening. What's going on?

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01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,159
Speaker 2: Like what's you know?

1306
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: And the news was like I remember under attack and

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01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:31,800
it's like are we going to war?

1308
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Speaker 2: Like who's attacking? Is what's happening?

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01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,239
Speaker 1: So I remember when they announced that the first tower

1310
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was hit, and then a little bit later the second

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tower was hit, and yeah, I'll never forget any of that,

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but I mean I was like, I don't know. Nineteen

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eighteen so I maybe twenty. I had no idea about geopolitics.

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I didn't know anything about Islam or Middle East or

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you know, any of that stuff. So I didn't know

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anything other than what the mainstream media was telling everybody.

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Because in two thousand and one, I mean, the Internet existed,

1318
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but it wasn't like it wasn't omnipresent like it is now,

1319
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so you know, you couldn't go look up all the

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you know, conspiracy facts or questioning the events or whatever.

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And I remember watching I remember actually was Ebomb's World.

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E Bomb's World had clips from Burmus's documentary on it

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because the clips were going viral, and it was clips

1324
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that were like questioning the Pentagon event, and that was like,

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wait a minute, that's kind of weird, what's going on there?

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And then I remember watching the first version of Loose Change,

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and then I remember watching not too long after that,

1328
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subsequent documentaries came out, so that that was about two

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thousand and three and four or five is when I

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started questioning that event.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was in middle schoo when it happened. I

1332
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,199
don't think I began to question until I probably got

1333
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out of high school. And actually Jason Burmas.

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Speaker 25: When he left New York decided to move to the

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community that I used to live in, the Quad Cities, Iowa,

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Illinois border.

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Speaker 4: He's a good guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm talking out with Burmas in person. He's a fun,

1339
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:23,239
really really cool, very kind, you know, charitable dude.

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Speaker 2: I like him a lot.

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01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for that, I appreciate it.

1342
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,159
Speaker 1: I thought you were the dude that's going to come

1343
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:32,760
on and like try to argue a bunch of crazy

1344
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,319
mystical stuff. So I apologize. I thought you heard somebody

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01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:37,239
else MKG, what's up man?

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Speaker 4: Hey j Opo as well.

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01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 19: My question was about the super chat I sent in

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last night. I think there was a misunderstanding regarding the

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Erman question part ermine question.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't asking.

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Speaker 19: From a textual perspective debate.

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Speaker 4: I was asking that.

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Speaker 19: If hypothetically a bart Erhman or bart Ermin disciple were

1354
01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:12,520
to challenge you on Christianity, how.

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Speaker 4: What would be a retort or how what what would

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be the thing?

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Speaker 1: I would use pre sup and tag because they would

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be coming from some kind of you know, unbelieving perspective.

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So that's again, I'm a philosophy dude, not a text dude.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's the route I would take.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what other route you could take unless

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you were, you know, studied in textual issues. Maximum nine

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to one, one three dollars, O'Brien's kayak ten dollars Daily

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wire Highlighting people like Destiny and defending Nala reminds me

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of Karl Rove in the two thousands pushing big ten conservatism.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, absolutely yeah.

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Speaker 1: The quote conservatism is such a joke. That's why I

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made that video a few months ago. Uh, conservatives are

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01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,840
a bunch of goofy goobers.

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Speaker 26: I'm a goof goober, your goof fee goober. We're all

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goofy goobers. Ortho Christian one dollar. There's an article on

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The Guardian about Russian speaking Middle Eastern immigrants from the

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Soviet Union transformed Israeli policy.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, that makes sense because of Stalin's change in policy. Right,

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Stalin went from originally wanting to sort of court Middle

1376
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:54,880
Eastern countries two then what banishing certain groups? My cheap

1377
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,840
ass glasses just broke. So I'm gonna have to be

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I'm gonna be acting.

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Speaker 2: Like a uh the peanut man with a monocle. I'm

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a goofye goober.

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Speaker 10: You are a goofy goober, your old goofy of goobers.

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01:23:17,239 --> 01:23:19,520
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I remember Carl Rode pushing that that

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was because they were always intending on you know, turning.

1384
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I mean, just neo conservatism itself is just liberalism, so

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it's it's neo Trotskyism.

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Speaker 10: Troy goo Goober, you are Okay, what's up, dude?

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Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, I was I gonna say. Oh so, I

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just have a quick question. I see you on my

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TV here and you have the omniliberal destiny.

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Speaker 5: When when did he become a conservative or or how

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was he representative of conservative?

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Speaker 4: I always thought he was, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, a crazy nobody got this tweet. When I originally

1394
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put it up, it went viral. It's got like three

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hundred thousand views. It's a joke. So no, of course

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he's not conservative. My whole point is that Daily Wire

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01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:19,560
platforms all these goofy goobers as if these people are

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in any way relevant for conservative people. It's just ridiculous.

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That was the whole point.

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Speaker 27: Okay, Yeah, I completely feel the joke.

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Speaker 1: If you look under the if you look under this post,

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there's like thousands, hundreds of people who didn't get it.

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They're all just saying like, yeah, they're.

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Speaker 3: Like us is conservative.

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01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's the point. Did I miss something?

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Speaker 4: Did he switch over?

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Speaker 1: I know a year ago, so I was No, he's

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01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:54,159
a complete just demon dude. He's disgusting, but I mean

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he's like misfit patriot, Like that's exactly that's the That's

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what they want conservatives to be, because when you have

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01:25:01,119 --> 01:25:07,960
no morals, you're completely you know, you don't have anything

1412
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:11,000
to conserve and you don't have any anything to fight

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01:25:11,039 --> 01:25:13,239
for to fight back from.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: So that's why his name is Destiny, because he's what

1416
01:25:18,039 --> 01:25:22,119
the technocratic elite want the Western man to be. He

1417
01:25:22,279 --> 01:25:26,239
is the destiny of Western man from the mindset of

1418
01:25:26,279 --> 01:25:28,520
the technocratic demon goblins.

1419
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 28: Joseph Jay Yo, Hey, so I go to Trinity Church.

1420
01:25:41,279 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 29: I went there, have been going there since November thirty

1421
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,640
at twenty twenty three. I wasn't active LGS, but I

1422
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,079
grew up. How do I choose a church man? Because

1423
01:25:50,079 --> 01:25:53,039
I know I studied church history and unfortunately, I know

1424
01:25:53,079 --> 01:25:55,520
I love my church, but I know I can't be

1425
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:56,800
a Protestant, you know what I mean?

1426
01:25:57,239 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 4: And I know.

1427
01:25:58,079 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 29: After the Pope said all as lead to Heaven.

1428
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 4: I know. I was like, yeah, they're out. So how

1429
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:06,199
do I how do I go up? How would I

1430
01:26:06,319 --> 01:26:07,079
go about it?

1431
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, just wherever you live, go check out all of

1432
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,760
the Orthodox churches that are near you and find the

1433
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,760
one that's the best fit for you. That's literally the best.

1434
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,279
That's what we all did. That's the best way to

1435
01:26:20,279 --> 01:26:23,880
do it. So that's my recommendation.

1436
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 2: Guys, it is.

1437
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:33,399
Speaker 1: Wait now we get more super chat excuse me, comforts

1438
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,880
of home television three dollars. Sounds like the home shopping

1439
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:40,960
network three dollars. Thank you for this information, God blessed,

1440
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,279
Thank you man. I appreciate that.

1441
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:48,039
Speaker 2: Orthow Christian one dollar.

1442
01:26:48,119 --> 01:26:51,039
Speaker 1: It seems to me that Middle Eastern country's connection is

1443
01:26:51,039 --> 01:26:53,319
a good pretense for the World War three letter written

1444
01:26:53,319 --> 01:26:56,920
by Albert Pike. I actually think that letter is fake.

1445
01:26:57,039 --> 01:27:02,800
I don't think that's a real letter. Storing the cat

1446
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:04,479
ten dollars. I like turtles.

1447
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:05,520
Speaker 2: I have turtles.

1448
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:12,039
Speaker 4: Kay.

1449
01:27:12,039 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm just making sure I got all these super jets.

1450
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 1: We don't want people angry.

1451
01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:19,239
Speaker 10: I'm a goofy goober.

1452
01:27:19,359 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 2: You goober, anybody in the chat want to hop on?

1453
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:23,039
Speaker 4: All?

1454
01:27:23,079 --> 01:27:23,199
Speaker 14: Right?

1455
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:23,520
Speaker 26: Here we go.

1456
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:33,039
Speaker 1: We got some people hopping on trounser. So the topic

1457
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:35,199
the topics are listed.

1458
01:27:35,399 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 2: What's up?

1459
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 4: Man?

1460
01:27:37,039 --> 01:27:40,359
Speaker 15: Hey, I have a question. It's somewhat related, maybe not.

1461
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,039
You can tell me if this isn't good. But I've

1462
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:46,399
recently gotten interested in the whole MK projects.

1463
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 4: Right from the sixties.

1464
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,279
Speaker 15: I was one of those people that grew up like

1465
01:27:50,319 --> 01:27:54,800
I didn't think hypnotism was even real. Sorry, what's up

1466
01:27:55,079 --> 01:28:00,680
in kultra? Yeah, exactly, Okay, what would you recommend as bebies?

1467
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:02,720
I know you've done a ton of research, I know,

1468
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,880
like Esterbrooks has the book Hypnotism and all that. What

1469
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,479
would your recommendation be for the best like comprehensive guide

1470
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:10,079
on like.

1471
01:28:10,359 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 2: What that is, what hypnosis is? Or m keldra.

1472
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Speaker 15: Well, I know they're overlapping, right, So I guess what's

1473
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,520
your in your expert opinion, which want like just whatever

1474
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:20,760
you think?

1475
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: Well, okay, So Mkultra is dozens of projects all over

1476
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:29,000
the place, at dozens of universities, not just in North America,

1477
01:28:29,079 --> 01:28:32,720
but actually all over the world, even places like Australia

1478
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:37,239
so and in fact, more recently even other NATO countries.

1479
01:28:38,119 --> 01:28:42,319
You and Cameron and Carl Jung were at the same

1480
01:28:44,279 --> 01:28:47,760
outfit in Switzerland at the same time, Bergoldzi We've covered that.

1481
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:53,720
So in fact, there's actually not one magisterial text on

1482
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:59,479
mk Ultra. But I would recommend either Walter Bowart's book

1483
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,600
Operation in My Control or John Marx's book CIA and

1484
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:07,199
Search for Entering Candidate. Those are two good introductory books.

1485
01:29:07,399 --> 01:29:10,439
Gordon Thomas also has a pretty lengthy book. He also

1486
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:14,359
has an extensive book on Israeli intelligence and Masad, which

1487
01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:18,159
is in my stack over here. I have not read Gordon.

1488
01:29:18,279 --> 01:29:19,960
That's the one book I haven't read on Keltra is

1489
01:29:20,359 --> 01:29:25,520
Gordon Thomas's book, but it's probably pretty good. Colin Ross

1490
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,199
has a book on the CIA doctors. So any of

1491
01:29:28,199 --> 01:29:31,239
these would be decent introductory works. But there's not, to

1492
01:29:31,319 --> 01:29:34,640
my knowledge, like one megaton book on.

1493
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:36,359
Speaker 4: It got you. Yeah, I was looking at stuff that

1494
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,439
was more uh. I mean you might have named them.

1495
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:41,399
Speaker 15: I'll go and look at these people afterward. But I

1496
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:42,760
was even looking at like William J.

1497
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:43,279
Speaker 4: Bryant.

1498
01:29:43,279 --> 01:29:45,520
Speaker 15: He has that book The Chosen Ones and stuff like,

1499
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:46,960
Have you read that one?

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01:29:47,119 --> 01:29:49,199
Speaker 4: I know it's more like jury selection.

1501
01:29:49,079 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 2: So no, I don't know what's that to do with

1502
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:51,960
him Kiltra.

1503
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

1504
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 15: Well, he was like only the hypnosis doctors right, like

1505
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,359
he claimed he did Surhan.

1506
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 4: So I didn't know if you were like familiar with him.

1507
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 1: Are you talking about Lewis Jelly and West No.

1508
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:04,119
Speaker 12: No, William j.

1509
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:09,319
Speaker 15: Bryant, He's I think the grandson of like William Jennings Bryant.

1510
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,520
He was like one of these hypnosis doctors. I think

1511
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:18,239
he did the child, like the serial killer in Georgia,

1512
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:18,880
that guy.

1513
01:30:19,159 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 1: Uh uh Are you talking about Wayne Williams.

1514
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, he was the hypnosis doctor that pulled the

1515
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:29,640
confession from Wayne Williams. Oh interesting, Yeah, yeah, he he

1516
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,399
claimed he did Sir Hannett like before his death.

1517
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 4: So I didn't know if you were familiar anyway, Thank you.

1518
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I mean hypnosis is just kind of one

1519
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,800
angle of it. But I don't know a whole lot

1520
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:46,159
about hypnosis. But if you read the books that I mentioned,

1521
01:30:46,279 --> 01:30:50,600
Bowart's book and Marx's book, they will discuss uh hypnosis

1522
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,359
to a degree. But a lot of this stuff is

1523
01:30:53,399 --> 01:31:03,239
still so. When mk Ultra happened, Helms destroyed supposedly seven

1524
01:31:03,319 --> 01:31:06,880
of the fourteen boxes of documents, so half of them culture.

1525
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 2: We don't know about Artemy, Yes, later do you hear me.

1526
01:31:20,119 --> 01:31:20,520
Speaker 4: Awesome.

1527
01:31:21,039 --> 01:31:24,159
Speaker 16: I just I'm just curious how you Jay Dyer is

1528
01:31:24,199 --> 01:31:29,680
an American blogger. You keep spreading Russian propaganda, Kremlin propaganda

1529
01:31:30,119 --> 01:31:34,439
that's clearly from Russian state media. I find it very

1530
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:39,640
interesting how you're very biased towards Ukraine. There's many Orthodox

1531
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:41,680
real Christians in Ukraine.

1532
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:45,600
Speaker 1: Would that be the would that be the.

1533
01:31:45,359 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 2: Would that be hold on?

1534
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,159
Speaker 1: Would that be the schismatic group created by the CIA

1535
01:31:49,319 --> 01:31:52,560
and the patriarch econonical patriarch. Is that the is that

1536
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:53,279
you're talking about.

1537
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, you don't know.

1538
01:31:56,359 --> 01:32:00,319
Speaker 16: I just think Ukraine is fighting against neo Bolsheviks, hate

1539
01:32:00,359 --> 01:32:01,760
real Christians.

1540
01:32:01,239 --> 01:32:06,159
Speaker 1: And so who who created the schismatic with Dominko the

1541
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:07,600
schismatic Orthodox Church.

1542
01:32:09,079 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 16: You're asking me a specific question that what you can

1543
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:14,079
answer wants to trick me.

1544
01:32:14,199 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 4: I'm asking you.

1545
01:32:15,079 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 1: No, it's an opening.

1546
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:23,079
Speaker 2: People.

1547
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:28,199
Speaker 1: Dude, you mean what's on record with Dumenko?

1548
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 2: These people are idiots.

1549
01:32:32,199 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 30: No, I don't know specific way. I can't answer about

1550
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:42,199
du Crane is good, guys, Yes, the entire.

1551
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 1: Western world has been duped by Russian propaganda. Because Zelensky

1552
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:53,760
is awesome, as Battalion is awesome. All this stuff, right,

1553
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,840
So we're not even talking about that today. We're talking

1554
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:05,319
about uh JFK. So can people not talk about the

1555
01:33:05,399 --> 01:33:08,640
very like? The topics are listed, you guys, it's not JFK.

1556
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:15,439
It's not that stuff. B M duper five dollars. The

1557
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,640
ci van outside your house shot a laser beam to

1558
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:22,319
break your glasses. These are just like cheap ass reading glasses.

1559
01:33:22,399 --> 01:33:25,439
So it did not require CIA laser beams. That was

1560
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:32,199
really funny, though, really funny, but discord one dollar. Now

1561
01:33:32,199 --> 01:33:32,880
we already read that.

1562
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:37,159
Speaker 2: Excuse me. Then went on, I have a discussion about

1563
01:33:37,159 --> 01:33:40,760
the topics and just spout out shit. They have no

1564
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:41,880
idea about Tony. What's up?

1565
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:42,079
Speaker 4: Man?

1566
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:56,279
Speaker 3: Hey, Tony, Hey, Tony, what's on your mind?

1567
01:33:57,279 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 30: We got ten new members. Shout out to you, new members, Tony,

1568
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:10,079
what's up? Go ahead, Tony soprano.

1569
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 3: Gobble hey, Tony is the gobble gool.

1570
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:22,239
Speaker 1: All right, So open form, anybody wants to come on

1571
01:34:22,279 --> 01:34:26,159
and talk. The topics are JFK files, CIA, usage of

1572
01:34:26,199 --> 01:34:30,840
the Romancolic Church by the CIA as a instrument of

1573
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:38,479
soft power, Cold War, Neo Bolshevism, by the way, is

1574
01:34:39,079 --> 01:34:43,520
neo conservatism. The neo cons are the neo Bolshevist, neo Trotskyites.

1575
01:34:43,680 --> 01:35:02,680
So good father, I'm mute.

1576
01:35:06,359 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 4: Yello.

1577
01:35:07,039 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 31: Okay, yeah, excellent, Well, thank you so much for letting

1578
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:12,880
me on your live.

1579
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 20: Here's what's on my mind lately is.

1580
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:21,199
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not directly tied, but.

1581
01:35:21,239 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 31: I'm thinking a lot about the Schism of ten to

1582
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,640
fifty four and how it was ran by these two

1583
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:27,520
Roman prelates.

1584
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:32,079
Speaker 32: Okay, and and it's and that's the whole thing was

1585
01:35:32,119 --> 01:35:37,560
based on a forced document of the donation of Constantine.

1586
01:35:38,079 --> 01:35:43,399
And I'm curious if that is the beginning of the

1587
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:49,399
way the papal authority kind of develops this clandestine partnership stuff.

1588
01:35:51,399 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 2: I think that it contributes.

1589
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 1: There are other factors that are part of it as well,

1590
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,000
so that you know, the history of the papal states

1591
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:05,279
existing partly on the basis of these forged claims, the

1592
01:36:05,399 --> 01:36:08,880
collapse of the Roman Empire leaving the papacy to fill

1593
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:15,319
that vacuum, deviations, and the theology contributes to it because

1594
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:19,399
the Gregorian Reforms the eleventh century is where you have

1595
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:22,880
the papacy claiming to be a world ruler.

1596
01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:26,159
Speaker 4: Oh, here's here's another here's another question.

1597
01:36:26,199 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 31: It kind of partners with it is the unloven bread.

1598
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:31,039
Speaker 4: The unloven bread argument.

1599
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 31: What do you think was a primary influence in why

1600
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:36,720
the West was.

1601
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 4: Using unlove and bread.

1602
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:45,399
Speaker 1: There was a one of our listeners just posited an

1603
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:48,279
argument for this which I had not heard. There was

1604
01:36:48,319 --> 01:36:55,520
a seventh or eighth century Germanic theologian I don't remember

1605
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:59,640
his name, but he was the first to propose that

1606
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:06,159
it needs to be the Judaic bred usage because quote

1607
01:37:06,319 --> 01:37:09,880
Jesus was doing the passover. So it's about a seventh

1608
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:13,600
century Germanic convert theologian. I don't remember his name, but

1609
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,920
that's apparently where it first appears, and that would count

1610
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:24,640
as a judaizing error. Right, Okay, it's the guy is Melkite.

1611
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:28,840
He's always on here. He may be on here now.

1612
01:37:29,159 --> 01:37:31,439
I just can't think of his profile name, but Melkite something.

1613
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,159
He commented a couple of days ago. The name of

1614
01:37:34,199 --> 01:37:36,319
this Germanic guy I'd never heard of.

1615
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,560
Speaker 2: Okay, Right, But also also you have.

1616
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,239
Speaker 1: To keep in mind when you read Photius's letter about

1617
01:37:46,399 --> 01:37:51,079
the Carolinians sending missionaries into Orthodox countries like Bulgaria to

1618
01:37:51,159 --> 01:37:55,439
convert them to Romanism, even in the eight hundreds, what's

1619
01:37:55,479 --> 01:38:00,319
fascinating is that he notes that these quote missionary that

1620
01:38:00,359 --> 01:38:07,680
were sent to preach phillyoquay, we're already using the papal

1621
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:11,439
claims that you have to do philly oakuay and change

1622
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,439
the bread because the papees he said it. So in

1623
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:19,159
other words, they became issues that the Western missionaries were

1624
01:38:19,159 --> 01:38:23,319
saying was the basis for the Orthodox being schismatics and

1625
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,920
wrong when the Orthodox were actually correct. So in other words,

1626
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,479
there was a political move for that as well.

1627
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 31: Right, Yeah, anyway, it's just got me thinking about this

1628
01:38:34,039 --> 01:38:39,239
Middle Eastern situation and wondering how much what kind of influence.

1629
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:39,279
Speaker 4: In all that?

1630
01:38:42,079 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 1: Uh oh, it could be, I mean yeah, if it's

1631
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,760
a judaizing error, it could be. But I mean this

1632
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:53,479
goes back to like eighth century Germanic converts, as I understand,

1633
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:55,039
jerd On.

1634
01:39:02,319 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 5: I can hear me.

1635
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:09,880
Speaker 20: My question is, like best case scenario, like in the

1636
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:14,520
ten years people wake up, people start to actually inform themselves.

1637
01:39:15,159 --> 01:39:17,039
Speaker 4: What happens, I don't know.

1638
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think.

1639
01:39:19,359 --> 01:39:22,520
Speaker 1: I think that after a century of brainwashing and mind

1640
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control and social engineering, it's going to take many years

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to undo all that.

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Speaker 2: So I have no idea.

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01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:30,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the only question.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't have a better answer for that, but Harrison.

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01:39:35,159 --> 01:39:35,680
Speaker 2: What's up man?

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01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,399
Speaker 1: By the way, we already have you know, Lord Baltimore

1647
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:56,359
interviewed I Howard Hunt on his deathbed, confessing to playing

1648
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a role in it. So you know, if you remember,

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and that was in Rolling Stone too, well, I remember

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when when Alex posted that his deathbed interview with I

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01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,680
Howard Hunt admitting that they played.

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Speaker 2: A role in JFK.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, you have to not know anything to

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you know, not know some of this stuff. Harrison, what's up, page,

1655
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,399
how's it going, good man? What's on your mind?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 9: So yesterday I was watching your Jesuits and Geopolitics stream.

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Speaker 2: It was very good, the old one.

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01:40:32,279 --> 01:40:35,239
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 9: So it's it's super interesting to me to see the

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influence of these kind of different sections of like branches

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of the Catholic Church if you will have these geopolitical influences,

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01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:55,840
so like how would you say, like kind of like

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an updated version of maybe that stream, like you see

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that other than the Pope today like influencing maybe.

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Speaker 1: Stuff like well, one easy way to see it is

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the USAID stuff. I mean USAID for example, was giving

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tens of millions of dollars to the most liberal skittles

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Lutheran organizations and churches. There you go. Another example would

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be ecumenism itself. Ecumenism, if you read the Weimoff book,

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is itself a CIA Rockefeller project. And so the idea

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01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:36,640
of watering down the theology to turn the churches into

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tools of American soft power to promote Americanism is crucial.

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In fact, one of the main things that Wemoff argues

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at the beginning of the book is that ecumenism itself

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is a consumerist ideology. I will decide based on Low's

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01:41:55,359 --> 01:41:59,000
common nominator. I'll pick and choose the theology of what

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I think Christianity is. And so Christianity is just like

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01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:05,119
the basic principles of you know LCD Low's comra on there,

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01:42:05,239 --> 01:42:08,640
so ehumanism literally is Americanism.

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Speaker 2: That's his thesis.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I mean that's really interesting, especially if

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01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:20,239
you apply that kind of influence in modernity. I mean

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the techno feudalism aspect of it is pretty concerning to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you read but beyond that too, if you

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01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,960
read the Michael Graziano book that we lectured through Aaron

1687
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:33,319
into the Wilderness. The academic text on the history of

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01:42:34,039 --> 01:42:38,199
CIA in religion and the Catholic Church particularly, he says

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in that book as well as just a normal secular scholar.

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01:42:41,239 --> 01:42:44,479
He says that the CIA operatives that we're working with,

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01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:48,159
the OSS and the CIA, they're all ecumenists, and they

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01:42:48,199 --> 01:42:54,359
put they put Americanism first, Catholicism second.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that does not surprise me.

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Speaker 9: But I mean they're definitely using the guys of like

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with the USA stuff. I mean, they could just label

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it as some you know, Jesuit practice and have it

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be written off.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's even worse than that because Catholic charities and

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01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:15,960
all that stuff that's like human t R A F

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F I C K I N.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah yeah, all right man, thanks man.

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01:43:22,279 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 4: Also appreciate everything you do.

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01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,560
Speaker 1: Jay, help me out a lot. Sure, thank you, all

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01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:34,239
right bigly. You'll notice, by the way, that the Roman

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01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:37,880
Catholic trash talkers, all of them all over the internet today,

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01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:39,119
none of them will come and debate this.

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01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 2: What's up?

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01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:44,199
Speaker 11: Man?

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01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:48,239
Speaker 1: I sent this to probably ten of them, can you

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01:43:48,239 --> 01:43:48,439
hear me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 33: Hey, just a random question here, why has there always

1713
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:58,720
been a fascination and just this kind of general positivity

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01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:02,359
surrounding as a president. I'm sure I could google this,

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01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:06,479
but in your opinion, Democrats, Republicans, people in the middle

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01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:08,399
just seem to hold him in such a high regard.

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01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:09,760
I'd love to get your take on that.

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01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:10,359
Speaker 2: Well.

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01:44:10,399 --> 01:44:12,239
Speaker 1: I can tell you that that's a good point because

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when you go to Dealey Plaza, which we did about

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01:44:14,359 --> 01:44:17,279
ten years ago, I've never been there. It's a very

1722
01:44:19,359 --> 01:44:26,359
propaganda heavy I mean, it's all devoted to democracy and Americanism.

1723
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:34,880
So at a bigger level, Kennedy represents a belief in

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01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:39,640
the thing that Quigly is defending in Tragian hope, because

1725
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,279
in Tragian hope, the tragedy is the two World Wars

1726
01:44:42,319 --> 01:44:48,039
the twentieth century, and the hope is liberal democratic capitalism

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01:44:48,079 --> 01:44:50,399
can save the world. Literally, that's what like at the

1728
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:54,119
end of the book. That's his hope. And so Kennedy

1729
01:44:54,199 --> 01:44:57,239
is sort of the ultimate martyr figure as well as

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01:44:57,279 --> 01:45:05,000
perhaps RFKMLK two, because they represent the potential future synthesis

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01:45:05,039 --> 01:45:11,119
of the Cold War dialectic moving forward into Americanism. So

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Kennedy becomes a kind of a martyr for Americanism. I'm

1733
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:19,479
not saying that that means that him undergoing that was

1734
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:22,479
a good thing. I think that there was a confluence

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01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:28,479
of interest to remove him obviously in this operation, because

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he threatened certain forces and certain objectives and people groups

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01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:40,600
that had their own motivations. So think of it more

1738
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:45,920
like rival crime families than good guy bad guy. But yes,

1739
01:45:46,399 --> 01:45:49,920
they were able to also turn Kennedy into this notion

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01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,079
of a martyr for the religion of democracy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 33: I've just met with people on extremes of the political

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01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:01,640
sphere and you can find plenty, you know, anecdotal folks

1744
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,319
that they look at him almost as if he was

1745
01:46:04,359 --> 01:46:07,399
a guy he was untouchable and never said the wrong thing,

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01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:09,039
and which we all know is not true.

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Speaker 4: But I've always just wondered that, so appreciate it. Yeah.

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01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:16,039
Speaker 1: Also that, uh, that probably that when they when they

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01:46:16,039 --> 01:46:18,640
play that clip of him when he talks about.

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Speaker 34: Malcol under the under the falses, I'm saying, false, has

1751
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:26,600
all this kind of nonsense shake our societies. He's not

1752
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:30,640
talking about Masons, and you know this, the whole context

1753
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:35,000
of that speech is the Soviets. He's talking about Soviet

1754
01:46:35,079 --> 01:46:39,439
forces infiltrating America. It's just Cold War stuff, and a

1755
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:41,680
lot of times people play that clip out of context,

1756
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:46,159
like JFK was calling out the Masons and the Secret

1757
01:46:46,199 --> 01:46:48,840
societies and and all this stuff. And I think he

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01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:52,399
did have, as the document show, a desire to.

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01:46:55,239 --> 01:47:00,640
Speaker 1: Try to rein in the CIA because they've been doing

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01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:03,159
this with organized crime too, right, they were going after

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01:47:03,159 --> 01:47:09,399
the mobsters. They sent Carlos Marcelo to Guam. So he

1762
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:13,399
probably was making certain moves to you know, whether that

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01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:15,119
was just to protect his own power or whether he

1764
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:17,279
really cared about America. Either one, he was making moves

1765
01:47:17,279 --> 01:47:20,520
that made people mad. And then you know he betrayed

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01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:22,439
them mafia because they got them. They got the Kennedy's

1767
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:26,720
elected through voter manipulation through the Chicago machine. That's well known.

1768
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:29,920
So he made a lot. He pissed off a lot

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01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:32,760
of people. So there was there were various powerful people

1770
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:36,720
with motivations, including sort of Texas big oil people that

1771
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:40,279
were not happy with him too. So you make enemies

1772
01:47:40,319 --> 01:47:41,079
like that at that level.

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01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 2: That's what happens.

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Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that you're therefore like the perfect

1775
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:47,239
super saint.

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Speaker 2: I mean he was.

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01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:52,800
Speaker 1: He was banging Marily Monroe the same time Samsy and

1778
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:56,079
Conny was banging Marily Monroe and she was like, I mean,

1779
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:58,640
it's just crazy, you know.

1780
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,640
Speaker 33: So he also with the president that apparently was getting

1781
01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:04,640
shot up with methamphetamines every day in the Oval office.

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Speaker 4: Am I thinking of the right?

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01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:07,520
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think uh, or that there's

1784
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,960
a story about that, and uh he had like.

1785
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:12,359
Speaker 4: An ivy trip of that stuff going on. What I

1786
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:13,239
was what I was.

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Speaker 1: Told, So I mean, you know, he might he might

1788
01:48:16,199 --> 01:48:20,760
have had, you know, some sincere desires for America to

1789
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:26,000
not be influenced by you know, Israeli politicians or something

1790
01:48:26,039 --> 01:48:30,479
like that. His dad was Joe Senior, was involved in

1791
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:35,479
organized crime. He worked with al Capone, and his dad

1792
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:37,880
was ambassador to England, so they were very close to

1793
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:40,039
British intelligence. And by the way, I'm sure British intelligence

1794
01:48:40,079 --> 01:48:42,319
had a role in this event too, which nobody talks about,

1795
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:46,720
given the fact that Joe Senior was ambassador to Britain. Kofi,

1796
01:48:48,159 --> 01:48:50,760
then we'll go to Basil. But like I said, I'm

1797
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:58,560
also not like a jfk Lore historian person. So Kofi,

1798
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:02,439
how's it going, what's on your mind?

1799
01:49:04,399 --> 01:49:05,760
Speaker 4: So I don't know this is off.

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Speaker 20: Topic, but would be some good questions to ask my

1801
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:12,000
Lutheran pastor an objection to Lutheranism.

1802
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Speaker 4: I'm still very new to the church and stuff. I've

1803
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:16,439
probably got a couple of months there, and I would

1804
01:49:17,279 --> 01:49:19,079
like prot.

1805
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,640
Speaker 1: Just I'm not trying to be rude, but you can

1806
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:23,520
watch some of my videos, but that's not the topic today, Basil,

1807
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:29,600
what's up, man? Just watch any of the videos critiquing Protestants.

1808
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:36,479
Watch the debate with DL the Protestant what's on dog, Basil?

1809
01:49:39,239 --> 01:49:42,039
Speaker 4: Hey, uh, I'm trying to find the connection.

1810
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:45,520
Speaker 35: And I'm relatively new to your stuff, and I'm just

1811
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:49,199
trying to think about the dichotomy that a lot of

1812
01:49:49,399 --> 01:49:53,199
people are talking about between the Zionists and the Bolsheviks,

1813
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:57,840
whereas through most of the Cold War era seemed to

1814
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:00,119
be on the same side, and a lot of perspects,

1815
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:06,760
and especially when it comes to the jfk assassination, the government,

1816
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:10,000
the US government seemed to be more attacking the Bolsheviks

1817
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,119
while siding with the Zionists. And I'm trying to find

1818
01:50:13,239 --> 01:50:16,159
a good mapping of those relationships.

1819
01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 4: And I was wondering what your opinion was and if

1820
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:18,920
you had any resources.

1821
01:50:19,159 --> 01:50:22,159
Speaker 1: There's a good article that deals with that at Espionage

1822
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:25,680
History Archive by Mark and it's I'm trying to remember.

1823
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:32,359
It's the one I think that talks about what do

1824
01:50:32,359 --> 01:50:34,600
I think for a second, it's the one that talks

1825
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:42,399
about Stalin and him shifting his view on Jews because

1826
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:43,159
Jews ended up.

1827
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:45,920
Speaker 2: Leaving and going to.

1828
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:52,760
Speaker 1: Israel from Russia because of this shift in policy. It

1829
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:58,199
has to do with them, the Soviets wanting Israel on

1830
01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:01,880
their side, and then Israel ended up siding with the West,

1831
01:51:02,279 --> 01:51:03,760
and that would be like, you know, a lot of

1832
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:11,960
the stuff that James Jus Angleton was trying to.

1833
01:51:09,399 --> 01:51:10,039
Speaker 2: Get in place.

1834
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 1: But I cannot I haven't looked at this in like

1835
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:16,760
ten years, so I'm trying to remember. It might be

1836
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:19,880
the article that talks about Philby.

1837
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:21,079
Speaker 2: I can't remember.

1838
01:51:21,159 --> 01:51:25,000
Speaker 1: Let's see if it's a Philby article, because Philby was

1839
01:51:25,039 --> 01:51:29,000
involved in this too, because he was a journalist somewhere.

1840
01:51:31,399 --> 01:51:38,359
So it's either this one Hitler, Hitler and Stalin, or

1841
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:42,479
it's oh, it might be this one. Oh, I know

1842
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:43,079
which one it is.

1843
01:51:43,119 --> 01:51:43,640
Speaker 2: It's this one.

1844
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:44,239
Speaker 5: Can you mute?

1845
01:51:44,279 --> 01:51:45,119
Speaker 2: Do that's really loud?

1846
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 1: It's I think it's this one Victor Rothchall's Soviet spy.

1847
01:51:52,159 --> 01:51:55,800
Speaker 2: I think this one deals with that. Yes, this is it.

1848
01:51:57,000 --> 01:52:02,760
Speaker 1: So if you read this, yes, this is it, because

1849
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:04,720
he gets into phil be and Blunt at the end.

1850
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:06,199
Speaker 4: This is it.

1851
01:52:08,239 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 1: So I got to Espionage History archive and read Victor

1852
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:11,640
Rothchild Soviet Spy.

1853
01:52:12,039 --> 01:52:15,359
Speaker 2: That's the art, that's the article, yep.

1854
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:23,319
Speaker 1: And it talks about the Soviet shift under Stalin. That

1855
01:52:23,359 --> 01:52:24,520
doesn't make Stalin a good guy.

1856
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:25,039
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know.

1857
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:28,520
Speaker 1: People always think in these not you, but there is

1858
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:30,920
thinks in these like really childish dialectics.

1859
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:32,560
Speaker 5: Well, you're seeing Stalin's a hero.

1860
01:52:35,199 --> 01:52:36,399
Speaker 2: Thomas B. Five dollars.

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01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:39,720
Speaker 1: Does para cursis mean that the persons share the same

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01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:40,520
divine nature?

1863
01:52:41,239 --> 01:52:42,840
Speaker 2: Para cursis means indwelling.

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Speaker 1: It's first used in by Maximus to discuss what happens

1865
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:50,399
in the incarnation the hypeset of union, that each of

1866
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:53,600
the nature is fully interpenetrate and dwell one another without

1867
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:58,000
destroying the properties of that nature. And it's also applied

1868
01:52:58,039 --> 01:53:01,319
in theology after Maximus to the trend wherein the divine

1869
01:53:01,319 --> 01:53:06,399
persons in dwell one another. So it's the persons in dwelling.

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It doesn't necessarily directly relate to them sharing a common

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essence per se. How does it go with the incarnation,

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Like I said, because in the incarnation Christ, human nature

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and its divine nature fully in dwell and interpenetrate one

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another without the dissolution or destruction of those natures. O'Brien's

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kayak ten dollars. Kennedy represented the Hope to such a

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degree that they call the admission the administration Camelot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: This is juxtaposition to the family's mob connections. It was

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a brilliant piece of marketing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They were brought to power through the mafia, and that

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goes back to Joe Senior, who again ran liquor during

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prohibition with al Capone. Ozwa.

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Speaker 36: Hello, just some questions about your stream yesterday and some

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comments you made today kind of shut down the idea

1886
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of Russia like collaborating with the USA in general just

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managing global security and things like that. And yesterday when

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you talk about the Middle East, you mentioned how a

1889
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lot of it comes from sort of British policy from

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the beginning of the century. Yeah, that's not contrast be

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shut down the no, but I just wonder what you

1892
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:41,439
do you like, disagree that the USA and Russia kind

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of worked together to manage the security of the world

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in some way like they must do, they must have

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some sort of relationship.

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Speaker 1: Uh no, there are relationships, there are degrees of you know,

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security agreements, sure, but.

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Speaker 4: That you just end the day that you don't think

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that they go further.

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Speaker 1: Well, what explicitly are are you thinking? You think that

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Trump and Putin secretly meet in the Masonic.

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Speaker 2: Lodges or what?

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01:55:16,399 --> 01:55:16,960
Speaker 4: Nothing like that?

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Speaker 1: Long, Well, what is your theory?

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01:55:22,119 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 36: They Okay, I just wanted.

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Speaker 4: To some clarification.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's because I work for the KGB, right, So

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I was hired in nineteen eighty by the KGB to

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promote Soviet cryptocurrencies like bitcoin and dougan coin, and I've

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been outed. So that's that's what's going on. It's it's

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all me running disinformation to protect Soviet coin, my uh

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crypto and putent coin because I get paid in putent coin,

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So that's what it does. It's all it's all vast, massive,

1914
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gigantic conspiracy. So here are one of these Roman Catholics

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who has anime pro they're always the worst two that

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Roman cast the anime profiles, and they won't come debate.

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So Spinoza's pantheism is not pagan or gnostic apparently. And

1918
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I'm arguing this guy right now, trying to get him

1919
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to come debate. So I wonder he's got quite a

1920
01:57:50,439 --> 01:57:52,479
few in his audience. I'll see if any of his

1921
01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:59,039
audience will come to bate. He's got seventeen thousand followers, supposely.

1922
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And this is what you get with the Roman Catholics.

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They want to defend Spinoza's pantheism, which is based in Kabbala.

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This is you can read this in Gersham Sholam. You

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01:58:23,319 --> 01:58:26,399
can read Kabbala goes back to narcissism into platonism. You

1926
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could read this in Sholom. You could read this in

1927
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Snicia Glu's giant Cambridge text. But these people are just

1928
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out to launch. He only loves deboating. None of them

1929
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will come debate. That's crazy. If you would like to debate,

1930
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it's open for him. I've asked about fifteen of these

1931
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wacko Roman Catholics and quasi pagan want to be I

1932
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want to be fascist Larper's. They won't come to bait.

1933
01:59:05,439 --> 01:59:18,000
So where are you at, dude, mister c So what

1934
01:59:18,079 --> 01:59:22,239
does Gersham Scholam say about Kabbalism that anyone would know

1935
01:59:22,239 --> 01:59:26,199
who'd read any of his text He's the foremost Cabbalistic scholar.

1936
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Speaker 2: Of the twentieth century.

1937
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Speaker 1: I've got about five of his books. This one major

1938
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:38,000
trans of Jewish mysticism. What is Mercaba mysticism? Oh, it's

1939
01:59:38,479 --> 01:59:45,079
Jewish gnosticism. What is gnosticism? While it's pagan as st

1940
01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:48,279
Heuronees and many of the Church fathers say. And if

1941
01:59:48,279 --> 01:59:52,880
you read Scholam's other text Kabbala, he says Cabbalism is

1942
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based in Neoplatonism. And if you read Soniciaglow's book on Spinoza,

1943
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he said, which is the Cambridge text, he says Spinoza

1944
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and his pantheism was influenced by atheistic Platonism from his

1945
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Antium from Gemistos Plethon. I'm pretty sure Plethon is a

1946
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pagan philosopher. I'm trying to get this guy to come

1947
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to bate, like I have to beg these people to

1948
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:00,159
come debate m.

1949
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Speaker 2: And they won't do it. Palpable memes. And then Michael,

1950
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what's up palpable memes?

1951
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Speaker 4: I'm you, hey, j I have a quick question while

1952
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you're waiting for a napponent.

1953
02:01:59,239 --> 02:02:03,720
Speaker 37: That they won't come, Go ahead, Hey, a few months ago,

1954
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:05,920
I was just happened to be scrolling some of your

1955
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:08,840
older work on YouTube and came across a breakdown that

1956
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:14,119
you did of Jonas Salk's Survival of the Wisest. And

1957
02:02:14,279 --> 02:02:16,479
that was the first day of the Trump presidency.

1958
02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:19,359
Speaker 8: The second day I saw him roll out Stargate with

1959
02:02:19,439 --> 02:02:23,760
Larry Ellison and Sam Moltman, and it just like.

1960
02:02:24,760 --> 02:02:26,920
Speaker 1: So, I'm on YouTube, we can't talk about that right now,

1961
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mister c what's.

1962
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:31,840
Speaker 4: Up, Hey, mister Dian, good evening.

1963
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:36,880
Speaker 27: I had a question about feel free to boot me

1964
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:40,319
if I'm off topic, about the web Holf book and

1965
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also by the Courtney Murray book.

1966
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Speaker 1: That's on topic. You're the first person to actually be

1967
02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:45,279
on the topic.

1968
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Speaker 2: I'm joking ahead.

1969
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:50,039
Speaker 27: All right from here in Tim Kelly, a while back

1970
02:02:50,039 --> 02:02:51,920
about these two books, I was wondering if there were

1971
02:02:51,960 --> 02:02:55,479
anything more in relation to intelligence agencies and the Catholic

1972
02:02:55,600 --> 02:02:58,000
Church besides maybe God called apart three or something.

1973
02:02:59,159 --> 02:02:59,279
Speaker 13: Uh?

1974
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:02,319
Speaker 2: What what books? You said, two books.

1975
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Speaker 27: Besides the Courtney Murray book and also the wind Hof

1976
02:03:05,560 --> 02:03:07,600
book in terms of Catholic.

1977
02:03:07,319 --> 02:03:08,560
Speaker 2: Church, Well, the John Courtney.

1978
02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:10,880
Speaker 1: M do you mean when you say the Courtney Murray

1979
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:12,239
book that is the Window books.

1980
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Speaker 27: What do you mean, Oh okay, I thought there was

1981
02:03:14,319 --> 02:03:18,520
a second one that dealt with Catholicism and intelligence agencies.

1982
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:19,720
Speaker 4: I just wonder if so.

1983
02:03:20,039 --> 02:03:23,399
Speaker 1: There's many that deal with it in some degree. There's

1984
02:03:23,439 --> 02:03:28,319
the Paul Williams book on Gladio. There's the Michael Graziano

1985
02:03:28,399 --> 02:03:31,520
book on Aaron into the Wilderness, which I covered. There's

1986
02:03:31,560 --> 02:03:34,319
the John Taylor book about spies in the Vatican, which

1987
02:03:34,359 --> 02:03:38,600
is a procier narrative. There's Daniel Ganser's book NATO's Secret Armies.

1988
02:03:42,680 --> 02:03:48,319
And there's God's Banker about Roberto Calvi and the Minco Dembrosio.

1989
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:55,039
And I'm sure there's other ones, but those are kind

1990
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of the main ones that I can think of.

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Speaker 4: Very cool.

1992
02:03:59,199 --> 02:04:01,319
Speaker 27: I know the Williams book in the Courney worry book

1993
02:04:01,399 --> 02:04:03,760
or written by Catholics so that it has more have

1994
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:06,359
at least to us being you know what's going on

1995
02:04:06,399 --> 02:04:06,880
in the church.

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02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:13,039
Speaker 1: So correct, correct, yes, correct, good point, Thank you, mister c.

1997
02:04:13,319 --> 02:04:16,960
And thank God for somebody on topic. And Melchite cleric

1998
02:04:17,039 --> 02:04:20,600
is the guy who knows about the first Germanic dude

1999
02:04:21,279 --> 02:04:26,520
to use uh, the Judaic version of the bread.

2000
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:30,000
Speaker 2: Who was that guy?

2001
02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:30,880
Speaker 4: Hello?

2002
02:04:31,439 --> 02:04:36,319
Speaker 12: Yeah, go ahead, Hey, I wanted to comment on the

2003
02:04:36,840 --> 02:04:37,800
I love of bread.

2004
02:04:38,760 --> 02:04:39,000
Speaker 13: It was.

2005
02:04:39,239 --> 02:04:41,199
Speaker 22: It was actually so interesting.

2006
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:43,159
Speaker 4: When I found out about it.

2007
02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:48,239
Speaker 12: And it was a monastic practice in Frankia by Saint

2008
02:04:48,439 --> 02:04:53,039
Vincar Cisel, and he's actually still venerated in the Eastern

2009
02:04:53,159 --> 02:04:58,000
Orthodox Church today. He was a prolific monastic. He's mentioned

2010
02:04:58,039 --> 02:05:04,760
as blessed and mentioned energy. But like I said, he

2011
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:06,479
was a monastic.

2012
02:05:06,279 --> 02:05:07,840
Speaker 1: And uh and made a mistake.

2013
02:05:09,159 --> 02:05:10,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he he did it.

2014
02:05:10,640 --> 02:05:15,439
Speaker 12: He did make a mistake, and the practice spread throughout

2015
02:05:15,439 --> 02:05:21,039
the monasteries. The Franks in the seventh century had a

2016
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:25,479
monastic rigor, so the priests and the bishops really looked

2017
02:05:25,640 --> 02:05:32,600
to the monks, and it spread through monasteries throughout Frankia.

2018
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:37,399
And then as time for grasp and the Carolingians emerged

2019
02:05:37,439 --> 02:05:41,880
to kind of make themselves different from the Byzantine Church,

2020
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:49,640
big marker was the leaven bread and I believe personally

2021
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:52,359
the Franks probably had brain ride in that before.

2022
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:55,279
Speaker 2: Making a different Yeah, thank you so much, exactly.

2023
02:05:55,279 --> 02:05:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad you hopped in because I was trying to

2024
02:05:57,640 --> 02:05:59,600
think of the name and I couldn't think of it. Sean,

2025
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:03,760
What's hey, Jack didn't hear me.

2026
02:06:04,039 --> 02:06:10,600
Speaker 20: Huh yeah. So my grandfather was in the CIA, and

2027
02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:12,560
I'll give you a little backstory real quick.

2028
02:06:12,600 --> 02:06:14,960
Speaker 4: I'm glad I actually got to talk to you here

2029
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:15,279
on it.

2030
02:06:16,640 --> 02:06:19,199
Speaker 20: He was originally he joined the United States Marine Corps

2031
02:06:19,319 --> 02:06:21,560
during World War two. World War War two broke out,

2032
02:06:21,800 --> 02:06:25,079
he was a Carlson's Raider, and then after he was

2033
02:06:25,159 --> 02:06:29,199
a Carlson's Raider, he was presidential guard to Truman. Then

2034
02:06:29,239 --> 02:06:33,560
after that he was ambassador to Saudi Arabia, and then

2035
02:06:33,560 --> 02:06:36,399
he went into the CIA as a field agent, and

2036
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:38,680
he was one of those guys he would have a

2037
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:42,399
hand of briefcase handcuffed to him and he would travel

2038
02:06:42,680 --> 02:06:45,760
all over the world as a diplomatic carrier, taking documents

2039
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:50,279
to wherever they needed to go. So, during the time

2040
02:06:50,319 --> 02:06:54,119
of the Kennedy assassination, my grandfather and my dad and

2041
02:06:54,159 --> 02:06:55,239
my uncle, they were.

2042
02:06:55,079 --> 02:06:56,600
Speaker 4: Like twelve and fourteen years old.

2043
02:06:57,039 --> 02:07:00,199
Speaker 20: They came down to Dallas for like two days ate

2044
02:07:00,199 --> 02:07:02,279
in the hotel room, my dad and my uncle, and

2045
02:07:02,319 --> 02:07:03,840
then my grandfather.

2046
02:07:03,439 --> 02:07:08,960
Speaker 4: Left to go obviously to downtown Dallas. Kennedy got shot.

2047
02:07:09,479 --> 02:07:13,399
Speaker 20: My grandfather came back to the hotel, he grabbed my

2048
02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:14,640
dad and my uncle.

2049
02:07:14,479 --> 02:07:16,159
Speaker 4: Said never talk about this again.

2050
02:07:16,199 --> 02:07:18,640
Speaker 20: And he was in a big panic, and my dad

2051
02:07:18,640 --> 02:07:20,880
said he had all kinds of guns and weapons with him.

2052
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:23,680
He then faked his death. I think they went to

2053
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:26,840
New Jersey afterwards, or it might have been South Texas.

2054
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:29,680
I don't remember exactly, but he faked his death and

2055
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:32,119
said he had a heart attack and he had a

2056
02:07:32,119 --> 02:07:38,600
death certificate and everything. Your granddad, my grandfather, Yeah, he

2057
02:07:38,640 --> 02:07:39,319
was in the CIA.

2058
02:07:39,479 --> 02:07:41,920
Speaker 2: No I heard that part. Who's the he that faked

2059
02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:44,600
his death your granddad, Yeah, my.

2060
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:48,800
Speaker 4: Grandfather, And so he got shot. He was in the CIA.

2061
02:07:49,239 --> 02:07:51,720
Speaker 20: He faked his death and disappeared essentially because they killed

2062
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:55,119
everyone that was involved. And so they went to the

2063
02:07:55,159 --> 02:07:57,760
Bahamas for two years, and my dad said that they

2064
02:07:57,800 --> 02:08:00,279
lived there was the Seven Islands on the Bahama was

2065
02:08:00,319 --> 02:08:02,560
where they hit out right, and there was a boat

2066
02:08:02,600 --> 02:08:04,359
that would come and they would pick up all the

2067
02:08:04,479 --> 02:08:06,920
kids on the Seven Islands and they would have class

2068
02:08:07,079 --> 02:08:07,600
on the boat.

2069
02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:10,279
Speaker 4: It was school was on the boat. It was a little, tiny,

2070
02:08:10,720 --> 02:08:11,640
little tiny boat.

2071
02:08:12,439 --> 02:08:16,600
Speaker 20: So after about two years things calmed down and my

2072
02:08:16,920 --> 02:08:19,119
grandfather came back to the States with my dad and

2073
02:08:19,239 --> 02:08:24,479
uncle shortly after that. Wherever my dad and uncle were

2074
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:28,000
two suits came and knocked on the door and said, hey,

2075
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:30,079
your dad died in a car accident. We're going to

2076
02:08:30,159 --> 02:08:32,520
take you and your brother to New York to go

2077
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:35,520
live with your mom now. And so essentially the government

2078
02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:37,560
just took my dad out, I mean, my grandfather.

2079
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:39,800
Speaker 4: They killed my grandfather as soon as he came back

2080
02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:42,159
to the States. My dad never saw his body.

2081
02:08:42,199 --> 02:08:44,560
Speaker 20: He never got to have any of his documents, never

2082
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:46,159
got to have any of his personal possessions.

2083
02:08:46,199 --> 02:08:48,399
Speaker 4: They just took him and took them up to their moms.

2084
02:08:48,520 --> 02:08:51,640
Speaker 20: And that was the last time my dad ever saw

2085
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:52,479
my grandfather.

2086
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:55,840
Speaker 1: And then and you think that was just because of

2087
02:08:56,199 --> 02:09:00,600
knowledge of the events that we're saying, he was there.

2088
02:09:00,720 --> 02:09:02,720
Speaker 4: My dad swore up and down that he was one

2089
02:09:02,720 --> 02:09:06,359
of the shooters. And my grandfather was. He was a

2090
02:09:06,439 --> 02:09:07,439
killer for the CIA.

2091
02:09:07,479 --> 02:09:09,840
Speaker 20: He was a he was an assassin when he was

2092
02:09:09,880 --> 02:09:13,119
in the Carlson's Raiders. After he would kill the Japanese,

2093
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:15,239
he would take the butt of his rifle and he

2094
02:09:15,279 --> 02:09:17,800
would smash all their teeth out, and he took all

2095
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:20,000
their teeth and put him in a jar. And my

2096
02:09:20,119 --> 02:09:22,319
dad said that he would have the teeth on his

2097
02:09:22,520 --> 02:09:23,720
bed mantle in a jar.

2098
02:09:23,800 --> 02:09:26,319
Speaker 4: It's like a trophy. And he said he always carried

2099
02:09:26,359 --> 02:09:27,680
two two pistols on him.

2100
02:09:27,680 --> 02:09:30,479
Speaker 20: He would out forty five, forty five and a thirty

2101
02:09:30,520 --> 02:09:33,760
eight special and he said he never those pistols never

2102
02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:35,199
left his side, and.

2103
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Speaker 4: He's country all the time.

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Speaker 20: And he said randomly suits would just on the door

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and they would hand my grandfather a big yellow envelope

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and one time my dad they handed my dad the

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envelopes they give this to your father.

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Speaker 4: My dad opened it up one time and was just

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full one hundred dollar bills. You know.

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Speaker 20: They were giving him money to do whatever he needed

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to do on the CIA.

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Speaker 2: And what's that's crazy?

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Speaker 1: What's your take on all the document stuff today? Which

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last night? What you're thoughe on that?

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Speaker 29: Man?

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02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:10,760
Speaker 20: Well, there's so much to it, and there's it's it's

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hard to cipher through it, and everybody has their own

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different opinions. I haven't been following it too much, to

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be honest, but I'm trying to find I try to

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look up the ambassadors for Saudi Arabia because he was

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an ambassador for Saudi Arabia. He was also head of

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02:10:27,680 --> 02:10:32,039
security added Embassy in Australia as well and I try

2123
02:10:32,079 --> 02:10:33,880
to look a lot of it up, and I couldn't

2124
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find his name, Don Robert Catlin.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if they just erased his.

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02:10:39,439 --> 02:10:43,600
Speaker 20: Name from everything or but I'm having trouble finding out it.

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02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:45,640
We did my dad when my dad was still around,

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02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:47,159
he hit up the Marine Corps and he got a

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bunch of his medals when he was in the Marine Corps.

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Speaker 4: And I have those medals to this day in my room.

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But I haven't been.

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Speaker 20: Following it so much because it's it's just a lot

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to cipher through, man, And and I don't know, Man,

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I just wanted to get it out there that Don

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Robert Catlan he was.

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Speaker 4: He was one of the guys that was there.

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Speaker 20: And uh, because there was there was like I think

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there was three shooters and then that there was probably

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02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:14,159
three backup shooters. You know they had they had all

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02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:16,479
kinds of backup plans. They like they were going to

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kill him no matter what.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, I appreciate you. Uh you're

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02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:27,479
bringing that that story. That's wild. Yeah. They're saying that

2145
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:31,039
this the search function doesn't work very well. Uh, and

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02:11:31,159 --> 02:11:33,199
I mean it makes sense, like the documents are really

2147
02:11:33,439 --> 02:11:35,960
hard to decipher in some cases. Eric, what's up, man,

2148
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I'm still trying to get these Roman callities to come in.

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Speaker 4: Here, yo yo yo, uh huh. Yeah.

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Speaker 22: So I'm actually gonna be going to Roman Catholic Inquiry tomorrow,

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02:11:48,680 --> 02:11:51,279
probably the last one, since I'm kind of going back

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02:11:51,319 --> 02:11:54,760
and forth between Orthodox and Roman Catholic but pretty sold

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02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:56,279
on Orthodox and I've.

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Speaker 4: Been living the church I've been going to in Franklin.

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02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:02,119
Speaker 22: But I actually was able to get this this group,

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this inquer group to discuss the difference between Orthodox and

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Roman Catholicism.

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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 22: I'm just curious, like if you were in that group.

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This is like a Catholic in quer group for anybody

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to come to. It could be an atheist, gnostic, whatever,

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02:12:19,439 --> 02:12:23,279
it's for people to come and just ask questions.

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Speaker 4: So probably gonna be my last one.

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Speaker 22: Wanted to just see what they had to say about

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the you know, kind of their view on Orthodoxy at

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Eastern Orthodoxy. So what would be some good questions to ask?

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Like if you had all the knowledge that you had

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and you were there, you know, I don't know as

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much as you do, not even close.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say I would watch my video one

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02:12:46,600 --> 02:12:52,199
dogmatic contradiction that ends Rome. How can it be necessary

2172
02:12:52,279 --> 02:12:55,760
to believe in the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop

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02:12:56,319 --> 02:13:00,479
for salvation in thirteen eighty two or whatever them sunk

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them and after Vatican Two that's no longer necessary for salvation?

2175
02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:05,840
How is that not a contradiction in dogma?

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Speaker 2: Snake?

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Speaker 1: None of these people will come to this romanc other

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guy says, I'm eating, I don't have time for this. Yeah,

2179
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so he can sit there. He considered tweeting, and all

2180
02:13:17,039 --> 02:13:19,039
these other guys are like, oh, I'm at work. Oh,

2181
02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:20,880
you can tweet all day, but you can't just hop

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02:13:20,920 --> 02:13:22,680
onto space and defend your positions.

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Speaker 2: What's up, man?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 2: How about you? I'm good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 38: So I've been looking into a book from William Satui

2188
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on like the CIA's influence on like Japanese media, like manga,

2189
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:41,439
anime and all this other stuff, and it seems like

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there's this huge like proponent to like push like Western

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feminism in pot Oh.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what's the book? I never heard of this. It

2193
02:13:49,359 --> 02:13:50,520
sounds interesting.

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02:13:50,520 --> 02:13:53,039
Speaker 1: I don't know much about I don't know much about

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02:13:53,039 --> 02:13:53,880
the CIA in Japan.

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Speaker 2: So what's the book?

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02:13:55,960 --> 02:13:59,359
Speaker 39: Uh, it's the Culture Cold War the CI in World

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of Marks.

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Speaker 1: And oh, you're talking about the Francis Sanders Saunder's book.

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Speaker 4: And one by William Sisui.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I have the Saunders. But what's about William

2202
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What William M.

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Speaker 4: Susui? Media control?

2204
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:14,720
Speaker 1: Can you spell that?

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02:14:16,680 --> 02:14:22,439
Speaker 4: Uh? T s u T s u I first name? William?

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02:14:22,680 --> 02:14:24,479
Speaker 2: Got it and it's media control?

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02:14:25,279 --> 02:14:26,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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02:14:26,079 --> 02:14:26,520
Speaker 1: Perfect.

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Speaker 39: And it looks like he has like a bunch of

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papers posted in like academic journals and stuff in Japanese studies.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll definitely get that. Appreciate that recommendation. We

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got to come more super chats here. Evan g D

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five dollars. What are your thoughts on Gamatri in things

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like event two to one? I don't think there's anything

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to do with Gimautria and any of that stuff. Clown

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Mode five dollars, Thank you for your content. Thank you

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Speaker 2: Five bucks.

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Speaker 1: What does Saint Paul mean in First Corinthians six two

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to three when he says the saints will judge the

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world and the angels. It's part of deification. So if

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you look up and study Orthodox doctrine of theosis, we

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are created to be raised by a grace by uncreated

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grace to an even higher state than the angels, such

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that in the ascton we will even judge the angels,

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according to Paul, So it's a theosis deification text.

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Speaker 2: JB. Peltier ten dollars. This is unsolicited.

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Speaker 1: I found out this morning a various pious gentleman from

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my parish that is named Augustine had passed away from

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heart issues. Everyone, would you please keep him in your prayers.

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I'm sorry to hear that, man, but yeah, I understand.

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You know, we just lost two people close to us

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02:15:57,279 --> 02:16:00,279
as well, so you know, I know how different hope

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that is. You'll feel really bad for a few days

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and then it'll kind of it'll ease up and you'll

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you'll feel better. But you know, death is defeated, so

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we're not supposed to be even afraid of death. Uh,

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all right, the last chances for anybody who's gonna call in,

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none of these people would even come close to doing it,

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So as usual, waste of time. But you know what

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I've I've I should have learned my lesson to never

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even invite a person with cartoon PfP, anime PfP. They're

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always just the worst, So I don't know what I

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was expecting.

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Speaker 3: Card or Carl.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me? What's up?

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Speaker 3: Carl Coral?

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Speaker 2: We're going full walking dead up in.

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you so much for the donations and your generosities. Clown

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mode five dollars. Thank you for your content. I can't

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refer to that or not. Okay, here's let's see Hasani.

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Speaker 2: What's up, dude? He was what's on your mind?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, sorry if if I'm a little too low, I'm

2271
02:18:13,360 --> 02:18:15,479
coming down with something, so I might not tell him

2272
02:18:15,479 --> 02:18:18,680
like I don't really do it'll be it'll be quick anyway.

2273
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:22,639
I just wanted to see if, like I understand why,

2274
02:18:23,399 --> 02:18:25,159
you know, like Tristan hasn't wanted to, you know, like

2275
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:27,639
do the whole online thing for a while or you know, at.

2276
02:18:27,639 --> 02:18:30,319
Speaker 1: Least that's what I remember you that's because he got

2277
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:32,520
demolished in rap battles by me, so he.

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02:18:32,600 --> 02:18:36,040
Speaker 11: Quick what's his name little aids?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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02:18:36,360 --> 02:18:38,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, you young boomers.

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02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:42,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I mean something like this, I know this,

2282
02:18:42,120 --> 02:18:45,559
a riddle like this, something like this should really I

2283
02:18:45,559 --> 02:18:47,360
don't know, maybe get him excited toob on the stream

2284
02:18:47,399 --> 02:18:48,920
or something to see if you can put something together

2285
02:18:48,959 --> 02:18:50,920
with him or or whatever.

2286
02:18:50,959 --> 02:18:52,440
Speaker 1: Well, I think they just had they just had a

2287
02:18:52,440 --> 02:18:55,239
new baby, so he's, uh, you know, he's been tending

2288
02:18:55,280 --> 02:18:59,120
to their their new congratu.

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02:19:00,120 --> 02:19:02,719
Speaker 11: Yeah, I did see that both your Yeah, definitely can

2290
02:19:02,760 --> 02:19:03,760
rest them.

2291
02:19:04,680 --> 02:19:05,799
Speaker 2: That was pretty much all I had.

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02:19:05,879 --> 02:19:06,040
Speaker 10: Man.

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02:19:06,399 --> 02:19:07,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll try to get Tristan back on their I

2294
02:19:07,959 --> 02:19:10,280
appreciate that. Carl, what's up? And you will try again.

2295
02:19:11,399 --> 02:19:14,399
We'll see if you get Tristan to come yap it up,

2296
02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:15,840
mix it up.

2297
02:19:17,319 --> 02:19:23,000
Speaker 4: Hello, Hey, all right, I have a question on the filioquid.

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02:19:24,239 --> 02:19:28,719
Speaker 39: Okay, So I understand that it subordinates the Holy Spirit

2299
02:19:28,959 --> 02:19:31,280
because he doesn't share a property that the.

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Speaker 4: Father and the Son do.

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Speaker 13: What I'm having trouble trying to wrap my brain around

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02:19:37,239 --> 02:19:42,840
is how we categorize hypostatic properties and why they're only

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02:19:43,079 --> 02:19:44,479
in the positive.

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02:19:46,479 --> 02:19:51,479
Speaker 1: Well, because they pick out the unique positive characteristic of

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02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:56,079
that person, So they couldn't be merely negative, you know,

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02:19:56,280 --> 02:20:00,399
lacking attributes, because if you think about it, like each

2307
02:20:01,399 --> 02:20:06,159
person has infinite lacking attributes, right, the Father is not

2308
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:11,760
Michael Lee Archangel. The Father is not Bob the Mechanic.

2309
02:20:12,200 --> 02:20:17,920
So a negative attribute saying what it's not doesn't tell

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02:20:17,959 --> 02:20:23,120
you hardly anything about what it is. And typically negative

2311
02:20:23,120 --> 02:20:28,239
attribution or apapatic theology or via via negativa is what's

2312
02:20:28,280 --> 02:20:31,000
applied to the divine essence, not the divine persons. So

2313
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:34,959
when we want to pick out persons, we need characteristics

2314
02:20:35,079 --> 02:20:38,959
or categories or properties that tell us some kind of

2315
02:20:39,079 --> 02:20:43,360
positive cataphatic value or content as to what they actually

2316
02:20:43,440 --> 02:20:46,559
are or who they actually are. So when we speak

2317
02:20:46,600 --> 02:20:49,959
of Father, the Cavedocians are pretty unanimous that the father

2318
02:20:50,120 --> 02:20:56,959
is identified as source found, RK, N RK, cause, et cetera. Okay,

2319
02:20:57,680 --> 02:21:02,760
so if that uniquely picks out well his positive characteristic

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02:21:02,879 --> 02:21:06,479
of who he is as the person, then that cannot

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02:21:06,520 --> 02:21:10,319
be shared because the campetition dictum is that a hypostatic

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02:21:10,360 --> 02:21:13,120
property cannot be shared because it's unique to the person,

2323
02:21:13,799 --> 02:21:17,479
but any other property must be shared because it's a

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02:21:17,520 --> 02:21:22,239
common attribute of essence. So for example, divine love, divine

2325
02:21:22,280 --> 02:21:25,440
love doesn't pick out one person because the father has love,

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02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:27,879
the son has love, the spirit has love. So love

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02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:32,040
is an attribute common to the triad, not a hyposthetic property,

2328
02:21:32,159 --> 02:21:35,719
but to be generated is a unique property of the son.

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02:21:35,959 --> 02:21:36,399
Speaker 2: You see.

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02:21:37,559 --> 02:21:39,799
Speaker 4: Yeah that makes sense. Actually, thank you? Sure?

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Speaker 2: Is that all?

2332
02:21:41,479 --> 02:21:41,639
Speaker 4: Yep?

2333
02:21:41,719 --> 02:21:44,200
Speaker 2: Thank you for your patience anytime. Yeah, that's a great question.

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02:21:44,200 --> 02:21:47,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being a patient about the question because

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02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:54,959
a lot of people are fussy about this malignant and

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he dropped off. So anybody want to come back, Any

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Roman Catholics, any Tradcats, any people who want to discuss

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02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:07,639
the topics listed, any anybody else about the JFK stuff.

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02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:14,680
So notice the Roman Catholics, He says, I'm you're single

2340
02:22:14,719 --> 02:22:18,360
and childless. So I'm not going to come talk to you. Well,

2341
02:22:18,360 --> 02:22:36,760
actually I'm married. So this is all they have? The

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02:22:36,799 --> 02:22:39,159
Godfather three in John Courtney Murray. There's actually quite a

2343
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:41,239
few books. I mean it's not just those two books.

2344
02:22:41,239 --> 02:22:43,959
There's many books, but I mean those are the books

2345
02:22:43,959 --> 02:22:47,040
that kind of focus on these issues. Lost hedgem On

2346
02:22:47,159 --> 02:22:52,639
by Ingdahl also gets into intelligence usage of religious schools

2347
02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:56,559
and networks, and not just I mean Ingdall's book's not

2348
02:22:56,639 --> 02:22:58,440
really dealing with the Roman Catholics. He's dealing with like

2349
02:22:58,520 --> 02:23:05,799
evangelicals and Islamic networks like the Fetula goul In networks.

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02:23:06,840 --> 02:23:09,639
Solid Snake ten dollars. Thank you for having me on

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02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:13,520
the space. I love the content, by the way, quote

2352
02:23:13,639 --> 02:23:19,479
quoting Bryson Gray, what that is? Eb ten dollars. I

2353
02:23:19,559 --> 02:23:22,719
recommended that you watch the anime one Piece yesterday. Write

2354
02:23:22,760 --> 02:23:26,280
down in the notes that that you wrote one Piece

2355
02:23:26,639 --> 02:23:27,639
fan edit.

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02:23:29,639 --> 02:23:30,200
Speaker 2: Writing that down.

2357
02:23:30,280 --> 02:23:37,840
Speaker 1: Now watch the original Japanese dub and watch up.

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02:23:37,680 --> 02:23:52,719
Speaker 6: Through the lobby arc. Okay, mark three dollars, go go

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02:23:52,879 --> 02:23:56,719
one more back up, Go one more back up.

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02:23:57,760 --> 02:24:01,840
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts if the driver was the shooter?

2361
02:24:02,000 --> 02:24:04,200
Do you mean one more backup? I don't know what

2362
02:24:04,200 --> 02:24:11,479
you mean one more backup here. I don't know anything,

2363
02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:14,840
Like I've not looked into the ballistics of what went

2364
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down that day.

2365
02:24:15,559 --> 02:24:19,799
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

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02:24:20,600 --> 02:24:22,520
Speaker 1: You would probably want to look into some you know,

2367
02:24:22,600 --> 02:24:28,399
like legit JFK researchers that would go into all that stuff.

2368
02:24:29,000 --> 02:24:30,600
I usually, you know, it's it's kind of like the

2369
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Big Nine event. People get all into.

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02:24:32,760 --> 02:24:37,280
Speaker 5: Like the what were the seismic registers on the day

2371
02:24:37,319 --> 02:24:41,479
of the Big nine event? And what about this thermic nanotech?

2372
02:24:41,559 --> 02:24:43,680
Like I don't know about thermite nanotech. I don't know

2373
02:24:43,719 --> 02:24:47,079
about seismic registers, but I can read the geopolitical stuff

2374
02:24:47,079 --> 02:24:49,360
that lets me figure out, Okay, who stands to gain

2375
02:24:49,479 --> 02:24:50,760
from the Big nine event?

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02:24:50,879 --> 02:24:52,159
Speaker 2: Like, to me, that's way.

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02:24:51,959 --> 02:24:56,360
Speaker 1: More interesting than getting all into this like the technicalities

2378
02:24:56,399 --> 02:24:57,920
of whatever.

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02:25:09,319 --> 02:25:11,399
Speaker 2: Not a single Roman Catholic would come discuss this stuff.

2380
02:25:11,440 --> 02:25:15,799
Speaker 1: That's pretty sad. Actually, that's it makes perfect sense, though.

2381
02:25:16,319 --> 02:25:18,440
I think we did have one Catholic in you're asking questions,

2382
02:25:18,440 --> 02:25:21,159
So props to that dude. But just everybody again take

2383
02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:24,520
note that like none of them will we'll touch this

2384
02:25:24,719 --> 02:25:28,680
this subject. I'll here's somebody Joseph, what's up?

2385
02:25:29,680 --> 02:25:38,319
Speaker 2: Hyeah, what's up?

2386
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:40,799
Speaker 4: Oh g how are.

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02:25:42,719 --> 02:25:42,760
Speaker 17: I?

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02:25:42,879 --> 02:25:43,399
Speaker 4: Well? Thanks?

2389
02:25:43,959 --> 02:25:46,360
Speaker 17: I think your voice seems a little bit maybe it's

2390
02:25:46,479 --> 02:25:48,719
an issue from my side, it seems what.

2391
02:25:51,200 --> 02:25:56,680
Speaker 4: Just the moment, Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah?

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02:25:56,879 --> 02:26:01,920
Speaker 17: My my pustion is uh, I want to my thinking process, Uh,

2393
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is it for those who object to the eternal generation

2394
02:26:07,200 --> 02:26:09,040
and procession of the son of the Holy Spirit?

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02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:10,840
Speaker 4: Is it Is it a.

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02:26:10,680 --> 02:26:16,000
Speaker 17: Fair way to tackle that issue from by raising an

2397
02:26:16,040 --> 02:26:20,680
equal objection to the eternal activity of the attributes of God? So,

2398
02:26:20,959 --> 02:26:25,959
my my thinking process is if because because the objection.

2399
02:26:25,840 --> 02:26:27,799
Speaker 13: Implies that if we say the sun is.

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Speaker 17: Generated and these proceeds eternally, that might imply cause or relationship.

2401
02:26:33,920 --> 02:26:36,559
And for you know, people generally speaking, when they hear

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02:26:36,600 --> 02:26:40,959
about coisality or generation, they think that chronologically you are

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02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:42,840
not and then at some point in time.

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02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the that's the area argument.

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02:26:45,200 --> 02:26:45,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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02:26:46,040 --> 02:26:46,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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02:26:46,600 --> 02:26:50,000
Speaker 17: So so if if, if if we object to the generation,

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02:26:50,120 --> 02:26:54,760
the eternal generation and procession, then I think it is

2409
02:26:54,840 --> 02:26:58,719
equally objectionable to raise that same objection to the eternal

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02:26:58,840 --> 02:27:02,040
activity of the actress God because we have to ask

2411
02:27:02,159 --> 02:27:05,760
at what point in time God's attribute became active.

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02:27:06,399 --> 02:27:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've made this point.

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02:27:07,639 --> 02:27:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why Unitarianism has difficulties that usually end

2414
02:27:12,920 --> 02:27:17,200
up making some of the divine attributes contingent and necessary

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02:27:17,639 --> 02:27:18,799
upon a created order.

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02:27:20,479 --> 02:27:24,079
Speaker 17: Okay, so you think it's a fair edgition to to

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02:27:24,079 --> 02:27:24,520
to ask.

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02:27:24,399 --> 02:27:25,879
Speaker 1: Them, Yeah you can go in that Yeah, you can

2419
02:27:25,879 --> 02:27:28,520
go in that direction. It's just that good luck trying

2420
02:27:28,520 --> 02:27:32,159
to convince a Unitarian of understanding the argument.

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02:27:33,399 --> 02:27:36,879
Speaker 4: Okay, man, all right, yeah, but I.

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02:27:36,799 --> 02:27:38,639
Speaker 1: Think you're right, you're on the right track. Yeah, we've

2423
02:27:38,680 --> 02:27:41,559
had some we've had some discussions in the bat with

2424
02:27:42,879 --> 02:27:45,920
in the back in the back a few years ago

2425
02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:55,280
where we went that route. So all right, cool beans, dude,

2426
02:27:55,319 --> 02:27:57,559
Thank you guys, A lot of fun today, great conversation.

2427
02:27:57,639 --> 02:28:00,840
Thank you guys for your recommendations, good questions. Nobody was

2428
02:28:02,200 --> 02:28:04,559
all the insane people never came to the debate or

2429
02:28:04,600 --> 02:28:08,000
to the chat, so that made it very cool and peaceful.

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Speaker 4: H