Speaker 1: Read step by step how it happened. But there are
quite a few interesting details in the documents so far.
Now keep in mind, too, we don't have all of
the documents yet. As I understand, there's still about a
third that are being still withheld, so there might still
be another.
Speaker 2: Cachet.
Speaker 1: Also, we learn that certain search terms don't work very well.
So let's go over here too. And when a lot
of people are saying, oh, we already knew all this
and this was already out there, it's true. So some
of these documents probably were all ready to classify. But
keep in mind, I mean, you can only do so
much in twenty four hours with eighty thousand pages or
whatever it is, and most people don't have time to
read this. People are saying, oh, let's put it into
you know, chat GBT or figure out some AI or
program or whatever. Well, it's a lot of these documents
are really difficult to read because of the you know,
old print and the typewriters, et cetera. So we're gonna
try our best to kind of walk through.
Speaker 2: The ones that.
Speaker 1: I found from what was going around on Twitter that
were the most interesting and the most relevant. I'll save
the hottest of those towards the end, but that also
was something pretty much well known in regard to James
Jesus Angleton, who was you know, very close to Israel,
had back channels with Israeli intelligence, and those those elements,
those four or five pages so far are pretty relevant.
They're pretty pretty important because they do establish a lot
of what Piper and Roger Stone have talked about in
their text. But there's also other connections that are very
fascinating that, as you know, vindicate a lot of what
we've been looking into for the last several years. And
this relates to, you know, my own background being in
the world of Catholicism, and so a lot of Roman
Catholics get really mad today but will not come on
and discuss or debated. I've asked one of the larger
set of a contest apparently set of a contest profiles.
Speaker 2: They ran away, they blocked me.
Speaker 1: They won't come debate, but I still shared it. If
any of them want to come and discuss this, they're
welcome to bring their information. And my chief source on
this is of course the famous Roman Catholic lawyer and
traditional writer David Wimhoff, who wrote this excellent, massive tone.
Speaker 2: It's about eight hundred pages.
Speaker 1: It's almost a thousand, so a thousand page tome here
John Courtney, Murray, Time Life Magazine, and the American Proposition.
And Weimoff's book is exceedingly well documented. I think he
has about eight hundred ish footnotes, and he really just
goes through even a lot of the material that you've
heard me cover, setting the stage for the papacy in
the twentieth century and how we got to Vatican two.
He goes through the Quigly text as you've heard me
do for many years.
Speaker 2: So this is actually a.
Speaker 1: Really good kind of an addition to the Quigly texts. Now,
in regard to Gladio, people were saying, oh, you've only
read one book on Gladio. No, I've read multiple books
on Gladio. But I don't even consider that I'm.
Speaker 2: Some Gladio expert.
Speaker 1: It's not like I can, it's not like I just
like everything's tending on my views of Gladio. And I
listed a lot of these texts. You know, First of all,
the first time I heard of this was about twenty fourteen,
maybe earlier, from fle Wingdahll Wingdall Flee Mingdahl Full Spectrum Dominance.
And then there is of course Daniel Ganser's thesis. It
looks like a PhD thesis. I think NATO's Secret Army
by doctor Ganter. There is Paul Williams's text Operation Gladio.
And we also covered the John Kaylor text which was
about spies in the Vatican.
Speaker 2: That he's a.
Speaker 1: CIA writer writing about the history of the CIA in
the Vatican.
Speaker 2: And I've covered many.
Speaker 1: Other texts, so I have a long time spent in
this subject matter. Again, this one's a thousand pages. And
even that I don't still don't even think, oh, that
makes me an expert. I'm not a subject matter expert.
And Gladio I don't even think that. Don't even claim that.
I've got other books that are conspiracy texts that I've
read too, like John Coleman's text that covered Gladio before
it was known as Gladio, as as I did with
I don't have this book at this house, but God's
Banker it also covered Gladio before it was known as Gladio.
And so when people want to just talk smack on
the internet and they won't come defend their positions to me,
it's just a signal of attention seeking or just completely
just total weakness. And you guys know, I've been asking
for about two years for any prominent Roman Catholics. I've
reached out to historians, I've reached out to professors. I've
asked Trent Horne to suggest other people since he won't
do it to debate the geopolitics of the papacy. Know,
one of these guys making a big fuss on the
internet on his blog claims he's a papal historian, but
he won't come debate it. So they all love to
talk smack and say, oh, he's only read one book.
He thinks he's an expert.
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm an expert. In fact, if you
got information that would correct any of my theories, I'm
more than willing to be corrected on it. Welcome every
big eleven hundred. But what we're going to see.
Speaker 2: Is that.
Speaker 1: What was discussed in a lot of the Gladio literature
is once again backed up, and not just the Gladio idea,
but in fact the usage of the Roman Catholic Church
by the CIA during the Old War as a as
a sort of a form of soft power, I think
is the best way to put it.
Speaker 2: And so again, a lot of.
Speaker 1: These documents are really difficult to decode, and probably over
time people will be able to piece together more. But
the first one I noticed it was interesting was this one.
So let's take a look at this. Maybe I should
make the screen bigger. And this one talks about the
CIA exploiting its connections. I can't even read that. You'll
notice most relevant is the last section, which says with
which CIA has exploitable access in regard to the Catholic
Church in these certain nations. Now, remember for most Normies,
or for most Roman Catholics, or even Tridcats, they think
this is actually outlandish. They think that, oh, you're a
KGB Orthodox bro. Look, both large churches, Roman Catholic Orthodox
will have this type of religious infiltration and subversion. And
so the Roman Catholics who are saying that I don't
talk about this in Orthodox, it's just completely not true.
I've interviewed subject matter experts on this. Metropolitan Jonah knows
the history of the r Russian Church very well. We
have an entire hour and a half two hour interview
on this subject.
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 1: Done multiple podcasts over the years, including multiple interviews with
Jim Jatras on the subversion of the ecumenical patriarch. Somebody
keeps you're welcome to come speak that. I don't know why
you're going emoji crazy anytime I see if somebody going
emoji crazy, Cajun, stay them, you want to come talk,
you're going emoji nuts.
Speaker 2: I'm ready. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's have a debate on this subject. Nobody will ever
come to bate me on the geopolitical stuff. That's interesting. Cajun,
stay them, what's up? Come on, look, I want people
to come to debate, and we're gonna have open discussion.
We're gonna talk about the role of the sea, the papacy,
foreign nations, which I just did an entire three hour
lecture on the other end.
Speaker 5: You don't ever talk about Middle Eastern countries. Oh really,
I just did a three.
Speaker 2: Hour lecture on their intelligence services the other night. You
don't ever talk the boy come and discuss man.
Speaker 1: He ran away, so they emojimy and then they run
away Cajun, which that means he's got to be Catholic
if he's Cajun.
Speaker 2: And then he runs away. So that's what you give
with these people.
Speaker 1: None of these Roman Catholics, not one of them in
two years, can come defend the papacy's tie ins at
a geopolitical level with the intelligence agencies and the corruption
of the Vatican Bank and the money laundering in things
like Ladio.
Speaker 2: Even their historians don't want to come defend it.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: Every time I bring this up that they say, oh,
why are you ignoring your own church's problems, the Orthodox
Church with KGB. No, No, do you understand I've already
done podcasts and discussions about the EP even in the
Cold War Athenagoras and others working with the OSS and
the CIA when those documents were declassified. So it's people
have no knowledge of these subjects and just want to
whine and bitch when we've covered the actual declassified cables
where they're talking to Dulles and the OSS. What are
you what are you talking about? So it's like the
Roman Catholic world is just full of idiots, total idiots.
Speaker 2: And one of the ways that we.
Speaker 1: Hammered home the Gladio situation was if you remember in
the videos that we did a couple years ago and
the role the CIA and the papacyat I didn't just
read the critical assessment from Catholic author Wim Hoff. I
read a positive assessment from CIA writer John Kaylor, and
we did a whole lecture on that book, and then
we compared it to the anti CIA assessments of Gancer.
Speaker 2: And Paul Williams.
Speaker 1: Paulliams is also Catholic, or at least he was. I
think he's left Catholicism now or doesn't believe it anymore.
So it's just totally not true that like these people
just have no idea. Whe they're talking, there's whining and bitching.
It's really annoying too, because if they were to come
and debate for about five minutes, they would get demolished.
Cryptic enigma. We're going to go through these documents, but
this guy's already wanted debate.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 7: I'm mute, dude, Hello, Yeah, I like your stuck man.
Speaker 8: You have a really interesting take about that, like what
you're going on with the Roman Catholic and the CIA
and ties and all that.
Speaker 9: So I am.
Speaker 8: Roman Catholic, but I'm just trying to find out what
if you could go into.
Speaker 4: Your position a little bit more.
Speaker 8: I'm not disagreeing with you that there's corruption, and I
mean there's corruption in any institution. And are you saying
that any corruption or the amount of corruption eventually discredits
an institution like especially like the papacy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe you can go into a little bit right.
Speaker 1: So, No, the argument is not that corruption is the problem.
The argument is that in the Roman Catholic system, the
papacy is the foundation of the church. But now wait
a minute, if the papacy is being influenced by outside
forces like the CIA in terms of who they elect,
then I want to pose a new argument that I
have crafted this morning about this in regard to the papacy,
because you'll get different answers from Roman Catholics about the
question of is the decision of the pope by the
cardinals of the Holy Spirit is it an infallible magisterial decision?
Because if it is, then we have to deal with
the problem that many Roman Catholic apologists and even Benedic
the sixteenth brings up. Well, then why did the Holy
Spirit in so many papal elections choose already known corruptible
or a corrupted evil men. And secondly, if it's not
magisterial then if a fallible pope is elected, if the
decision of the papacy itself is fallible, then by definition,
all of the actions that he's doing would also then
potentially be fallible. So it seems to me that if
you wanted to argue that the magistering of the papacy
is infallible, you would also need to have infallible decisions
to choose that pope. Otherwise you could always conceivably question
the election of that pope. So that to me is
a good example of how if the CIA, for example,
was deeply involved in helping Paul the Six get elected
because the CI was concerned about the Cold War pro
Marxist positions of some of the cardinals that might get elected,
how am I supposed to believe that? So now, what
the Holy spirits leading the CIA to help the Vatican
make these decisions.
Speaker 2: It's just it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: So, no, the argument is not applicable to the Orthodox
Church because we don't have a position like Vatican One
that says that the papacy is the infallible rock of
the Church.
Speaker 8: Okay, I kind of do get where you're going. But
it also seems like there's two different two different ways
of looking at it. Like it's like you're going in
the political a sense of like elections and the seats,
and I get with the.
Speaker 4: Infallibility of the pope.
Speaker 8: And them being elected by other people.
Speaker 4: And basically, in.
Speaker 7: Order to.
Speaker 8: Win, for me to concede too, I'd have to agree
that people are not flawed and imperfect.
Speaker 1: Or no, it has nothing to do with people being
flawed and imperfect. It has to do with magisterium and
what the Roman CALLI church itself defines about the magisterium.
When the magisterrum decides things, it is infallible and irreformable.
So it's not about human failings and human weakness because
everybody believes that. It's not about impeccability. It's about the
question of indefectibility and infallibility of the magisterium.
Speaker 8: Well, the you're saying basically the people that made the
magisty room right that that and then everyone's just kind.
Speaker 1: Of made No, it's not what I'm saying. I'm saying
that your church defines about itself what magisterium is and
what infallibility and ex cathedral are.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Okay, And you're saying that those current rules right now
are basically they go against what the Church claims that
since they're being subverted.
Speaker 2: Your no, they make it.
Speaker 1: There's two different arguments. One argument is about the contradiction
of a fallible election of an infallible leader. That's one
argument separate from the question of geopolitical influence of things
like the CIA and the American deep state in the
papal elections, and ultimately beyond that with the Vatican Bank
and it being used to funnel money for black ops.
So two different things. But I'm just simply saying that
we'll give you another example. I mean, wim Hoff argues
that a lot of the ecumenism in Vatican two, like
in Nosratat, but that's the result of elements of Western
intelligence agencies, people like John Cortney. Murray was working with
the CIO on record to get a liberalized document passed
at Vatican two. So that's another example that it's not
just weakness and human failings, it's the run macaloity Church
dogmatizing CIA's ecumenist positions.
Speaker 8: Okay, interesting, I'm kind of a dumb dumb, especially with
like historicity, but it's an interesting I have to hop
off I'll be listening.
Speaker 1: In the background.
Speaker 8: But uh yeah, thanks for thanks for askering my questions.
Speaker 2: Going into a.
Speaker 1: Little bit sure again, the book that you would want
to read is David wim Hoff's magisterial text, John Courtney Murray,
Timelife Magazine, and the American Proposition. The American Proposition is
called the Doctrinal Warfare Program. It was declassified in twenty thirteen.
I just did a video, a little short video the
other day covering it that got quite a bit of views.
Speaker 2: But if you go to my channel you'll see then
I cover.
Speaker 1: It in I don't know, let's see hour and a
half and then three hours four and a half.
Speaker 2: These are both part two.
Speaker 1: So this is about eight hours on this book that
I've lectured on this book, if you want to go
deep into his book now, David Wimoff is a traditional
Roman Catholic lawyer. He's not an orthodox conspiracy bro. He's
not a libtard. He's a trad cat, so you guys
need he goes on trad cat podcast. He's been on
with Flanders and Marshall or whatever. But it's not just
tradcat critics like this material. You can find quite a
bit on it in mainline academic literature. I covered the
Michael Graziano book Aaron into the Wilderness, which is an
academic history of the CI's relationship to religion. We did
a whole lecture on that book. So it's crazy, like
I lectured through all these books and all you people
just talk shit on the internet and you can't defend
any of your positions. And when the declassified documents come out,
you just act like thirteen year olds and you have
another breakdown. So what does this document say? This is
a document just pointing to the CAA during the Cold
War exploiting its contacts, thank you in the Roman Catholic
Church in a lot of Latin South American countries. That's
just one example. Okay, So I found that one interesting.
That was the first one that I think somebody sent
me that one.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 1: The next one that I noticed was interesting was this
is a line reporting entity called Leading Report. They noticed that,
and this was already well known if you looked into
this literature, because of course Jack Ruby is part of
organized crime and the Middle Eastern intelligence or seeing me,
the Middle Eastern faction of organized crime. If you understand
what I'm referring to So Jack Ruby is out of
that outfit, and he was working, he was a mobster,
and so the nightclub, if I recall, was Jack Ruby's nightclub.
So that's in the memos apparently. But this was already
known and in the JFK research for many years. So
this is another thing positive that was verified because people.
Speaker 3: Say, oh, it's a dowey if you'd say that Oswald
was hanging out.
Speaker 1: If I recall, Ruby owned a strip club steakhouse, and
so wait a minute, why is Lee Harvey Oswald going
to the steakhouse strip club of the guy who would
later take him out. Well, it's not hard to figure
out if you understand the basics of this narrative.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't think we have to know.
Speaker 10: We don't.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of it's like the Big Nine event,
like we don't have to know perfectly every single piece
of detailed information and regarding regarding this event. Now this
refers to a lesser known thing which I.
Speaker 2: I don't have.
Speaker 1: I have Michael Collins P's book have my other location.
It's not in this library, so I can't look it up.
Speaker 2: But he I think you mentioned this.
Speaker 1: I read that book in two thousand and eight, So
we're like seventeen years out for me reading that book, people.
Speaker 5: Are like, oh, I've been pioneering the role of Middle
Eastern countries in this JFK thing. Oh really, like when
I read the book in twenty two thousand and eight,
and yeah, look, yes, JFK opposed certain Middle Eastern countries
having a nuclear program.
Speaker 2: Demona, I've known.
Speaker 1: About that since two thousand and eight. What are you
talking about now? This relates to a network or a
group of Cubans in Chicago, one of whom is named
that's a weird name, Ekavaria. Echavaria, Echavaria. And this was
a investigation memo. This is weird too.
Speaker 2: Because this might have already been declassified. Don't know it says.
Speaker 1: It says declassified seventy six or eight, but it says
special Agents Tucker and Noonan investigation of the claims of
Echavaria and Ekavaria says that he was attempting to negotiate
the sale of weapons to a group and that he
made a comment allegedly the day beforeating JFK and the
taking out of JFK with a group of backers from
say the Middle East that would take care of Kennedy. Now,
this doesn't mean this is a person that in the
investigations says this, okay, So it's not like Diehard proof.
It's just one of several of these where people are
saying throughout the years of this investigation by the different agencies,
and by the way, the FBI, I think has their
own files on this. So one correction that should be made,
because this is going around and I looked into this one,
people are saying the nineteen fifty six Hungarian riots were
orchestrated with the support of the CIA. Now it turns
out that this is not talking about that. If you look,
it actually says the HFFF. But that's a group that's
an NGO created after this event in nineteen sixty three. However,
it not outside the realm of possibility. It's very likely
that the CIA did aid the anti Soviets and sought
a regime change coup in nineteen fifty six during the
Cold Wars.
Speaker 2: That certainly makes sense.
Speaker 1: You can find London Telegraph articles that talk about British
intelligence training these people. So it's not I mean, most
likely the CIA did as well. But this is really
a minor point. This one is the one I think
most people expected to see and is probably one of
the more damning, which is that the CIA does not
have objection to the declassification of these documents except for
the mentioning of the bracketed which is quote I Intelligence
Service of.
Speaker 2: The Middle East.
Speaker 1: So here you have the CIA admitting, probably because they
don't want to have you know, a damaging I mean,
you could look at it from like a just a
basic geopolitical perspective that they don't want to have a
damaging relationship through the release of these documents, and so
that's why that was put there. Or you could say
it's more conspiratorial that they're told you've got to do this.
There are, by the way, quite a few people in
the history of the CAA and in the CAA who
have been pretty vocal about not being pro Israel. You
can go back even to the Bush era when Bush
shifted away from Israeli intelligence and was interested in the
Safari Club being an outfit which was Saudi connected and
all that. There's a whole story behind that which is
unique and interesting that not many people know about. And
that doesn't mean that Bush Senior didn't still have connections
or uses for Israeli networks or whatever. But it is
relevant because there are tons of CIA individuals who do
not particularly care for Israeli intelligence or the Israelis or
are critical of it. And so it's not a unified
thing where everybody in the CIA just does what they're told.
You can look up Michael Schuyer, who was the head
of the bin Laden Unit. I've shared that clip twenty times,
and Schuyer in many interviews says that the main problem
in American geopolitics and foreign a policy is Israel. And
he's made that criticism for like two decades, and he
was the head of the bin Laden Unit for the CIA.
So it's not like everyone in the CIA had this attitude.
In fact, Dulles and others back in the classic era
of the CAA were seemingly a little more on the
side of Tonny mustache Man, and you know, they were
involved in Operation paper Clip this kind of stuff. So
there was not a unified mindset even in the CIA.
Maybe over time as the Cold War progressed, then you
get people like James Jesus Angleton, who was you know,
very much pro Israel, very much pro Zion. In fact,
there's a garden dedicated to him in Israel, and he
had a back channel with I Intelligence as well as
some of the documents will show now in regard to JFK,
this one was one of the more interesting documents. I
don't know if this document had already been declassified. It
looks like one of the new ones, because there's a
lot of claims flying around. So you know, anything I
say that's incorrect, I welcome being corrected. We just had
to mention a correction a last night's dream in regard
to that fake Bob Bear interview from many years ago.
Speaker 2: But this one is.
Speaker 1: Interesting because it notes this character by the name of Underhill,
who had been an intelligence agent in the in World
War Two. He was recognized as an authority on limited
warfare and small arms. He was a researcher and a
writer on military affairs. He was on a first name
basis with a lot of the time brass and the Pentagon.
He was also on intimate terms with a number of
high ranking CIA officials. He was the agency's on people
to sort of a ghost operative. He performed special assignments
and at one time had been a friend of Samuel
Cummings of inter Ramco the arms broker that numbers amongst
its customers the CIA and Klein's Sporting Goods of Chicago,
where the mail order Carkano allegedly was purchased by Oswald.
Now remember that this is the Chicago is where this
group of supposedly Cubans who are hired to do this
event with JFK. That from the previous memo, the Echavario
guy that.
Speaker 2: Was also out of Chicago.
Speaker 1: And the reason that's relevant is because the leader of
the mafia in Chicago was sam Giancana Momo, who is
a you know, tied into CIA and Operation Underworld, and
i mean Operation under World is older, but the CIA
continued the Underworld alliances with organized crime. I've interviewed Sammy
the Bull Gravano, the most famous living I mean I've
been on his podcast like ten times. I mean, he
pretty much confirms all that as well in our discussions.
And so you've got the reason also that the mafia
is a key player in this is that the mafia
what were mad at the Kennedy brothers for many things
that were cracking down on the drugs. The mafia had
helped RFK get elected, and so that was in Chicago
for a call. So they helped the vote rigging there by.
Speaker 2: And this is well known.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows this, not even that really really that's controversial anymore.
And then RFKA Junior, when he started cracking down on
organized crime, he instead of arresting Carlos Marcelo, who was
the New Orleans based gangster that was running the mob
out of New Orleans, he banished him to Guam or
somewhere like they like put him in a plane. They
flew him to Guam and just dropped him off. Well,
he made his way back through a shrimp boat apparently,
and when he got back he was like, Okay, we're
gonna take care of these Kennedy boys because we helped
them get elected. They don't want to do what we
are telling him to do. And Carlos Marcelo is famously
on tapes. The FBI has recorded tapes, but they're inadmissible
because they were recorded illegally. Marcelo bragging that they got Kennedy.
You know, there was we the mafia did this, not
just the mafia.
Speaker 2: They say.
Speaker 1: So people are overly simplistic. They think, oh, was it
the mafia or was it the CIA? Well, the CIA
has worked with the Mafia since the oss An operation Underworld,
which we've lectured on that also does tie into Gladio.
So this document mentioned this CIA or this deep state
operative guy who had been talking about this. The day
after the assassination, Gary Underhill left Washington in a hurry.
Late in the evening, he showed up at the home
of friends in New Jersey. He was reagitated. A small
clique within the CIA was responsible for the assassination, he confided.
Guess what, that's exactly what backs up Most of the
theories in regard to this, whether it's Michael Collins, p
whether it's Roger Stone's book, and other books, by the way,
have focused on one of the groups, the Mafia, CIA,
other countries.
Speaker 2: Those are not wrong.
Speaker 1: They're just looking at certain angles of the players that
were involved in this.
Speaker 2: So remember the.
Speaker 1: The mobsters are used because they're convenient ways to organize
a hit. I'm not saying necessarily the mobsters themselves directly
did the hit, because, as we mentioned with when we
interviewed Sammy the Bull, Sammy pointed out that the way
we would do this is if it was something like
a high profile thing, we wouldn't directly do it, we
would find another kind of person wound up to either
be the patsy or to be the one that would
do it and take the heat.
Speaker 2: Et cetera.
Speaker 1: So this is a pretty interesting document because it does
back up basically the kind of Secret Team analysis that.
Speaker 2: You get in Fletcher Proudy.
Speaker 1: Right, So Fletcher Prouty in his book Secret Team says,
I was in this. We're part of a you know,
a breakaway click basically the CIA that runs around the world,
and we do assassinations, sabotage, coups, fake news, regime change.
Speaker 2: You name it. It's what we do.
Speaker 1: And you know, you could take issue with some of
its claims maybe maybe, But I mean the book is
pretty well known, it's pretty famous, and why would why
would anything this be surprising? By the way, It's like,
after all the things that we've learned in the last
five years, like all this another should be surprising. So
this one I think was really interesting. This memorandum about
this guy who was part of the Pentagon and was
a sort of a ghost operator, probably some kind of
a he sounds like Fletcher Proudy's Secret Team kind of guy.
And he says, yeah, this was an organized crime and
the CIA, a faction of the CIA doing this. Now
here's a little more of this. It says the friends
whom Underwill Underhill visited say he was a sober person,
but he was badly shook. They say he attributed to
the Kennedy murder to a CIA click that was carrying
on a lucrative racket in gun running, narcotics and other contraband.
He was manipulating and they were manipulating political intan figures
to serve their own ends. Kennedy supposedly got wind as
something was going on and was killed before he could
blow the whistle. Although the friends had already known Underhill
to be perfectly rational objective, they at first didn't take
him seriously. We couldn't believe that the CIA could contain
a corrupt element every bit as ruthless and more efficient
than the mafia. Really, So that one is, I think
pretty good. This one is a little less clear. RT
found this or mentions this. It's just says it says
secret bases and it's a list of like but we
don't know exactly what that means. Is this like CIA stations?
Is this torture facilities? Is this a black site? Is
this a safe house, you know, but probably not relevant
anymore since it's going back to like the Cold War.
Here's another one that says the CIA was wanting to
keep the Warren Commission out of the public domain, and
they had every reason.
Speaker 2: To do that. Now, why would the CIA have.
Speaker 1: Every reason to not want people to know what the
Warren Commission was finding? That, to me speaks to a
cover up. Here's one that is another Catholic in g
O organization. And to the Catholics who been mad and
fussing and bitching at me, this isn't a string of
documents that I've been covering. This is not a sole
isolated document because when I posted this somebody said.
Speaker 3: Oh, they had one operative in a ng so what now?
Speaker 1: This is one operative in in Go amongst many operatives
throughout the Roman Catholic Church. But this was an outfit
called Catholics Catholic Association for International Peace. And the document
notes in section three that the above items were received
by Oliver Corbiston, who has joined CIA app CIP for
cover cover purposes. And so he's a CIA operative who
joined this outfit as a cover That's just one example
among many. This one is uh several documents that another
profile found and this is an Operation Mongoose. And the
only reason I re shared this one is because in
the stream that we did what two nights ago on
certain Middle Eastern countries and their intelligence, I did a
three hour talk.
Speaker 5: You don't ever talk about the countries in your Middle East?
Oh really, I did a three hour talking it.
Speaker 2: You don't know. Oh really, I covered Victor Strowski's masade.
Speaker 4: But oh.
Speaker 1: Well, this relates to it because this is Operation Mongoose.
And he says, this shows a CIA playbook on how
they conduct regime change. Now this is correct because this
is basically the same sort of pattern or model. It's
a technology, color revolutions, it's all the same type of stuff.
Speaker 2: These files highlight.
Speaker 1: How CIA used psyops, media, espionage economics to target the
Cuban politicians, use covered actions. The documents even mentioned black
market activities Dulah exactly like Gladio. They used Time magazine
as an implement of dissemination. Why would they use Time magazine, Well,
that's because Henry Lewis of Time magazine was skull and
bones and worked closely with the OSS and the CIA.
And that's a gigantic section of David Wimhaw's book, which
we have already been talking about.
Speaker 2: The CIA has been.
Speaker 1: Controvertibly engaged in regime change for decades. Well, yeah, who
doesn't know this? They use a similar playbook. That's I
think an interesting point that it's a similar playbook. What
evidence is there that the sai I ever stopped Well,
of course they didn't. We've been talking about color revolutions
for years. We already mentioned Fom Mengdol in all these
other texts. This is extremely pertinent to the war in Ukraine.
You have Victoria Newland, you have Operation Mongoose, with many parallels.
So you can go read this. I'm not going to
read all these documents there because that one's kind of
people already knew about Operation Mongoose. But it's an interesting
side point. Another document is mentioned here, which is that
it looks like Arthur Schlessinger, who was one of Kennedy's
close advisors. He warns Kennedy about the CIA being too powerful,
too reckless, and having a government within a government.
Speaker 2: Hmm, what does that sound like?
Speaker 1: Have we ever heard the idea of a state within
a state, like a shadow government or a deep state?
Speaker 2: But this is actually mentioned.
Speaker 1: By slashing her the advisor to Kennedy in National Archive
file one seven six dash one zero zero three zero
dash one zero four two two. So there's that document
and another interesting one which we all already kind of
knew about, but maybe a bunch of normies didn't.
Speaker 2: Know about this.
Speaker 1: It's another CIA file dealing with nineteen sixty three document
internal review of the agency's drug recruitment efforts, noting a
significant lack of significant results. The document stresses that the
program shortcomings were due to inefficient handling of delayed responses
in Cuba, where candidates were initially eager but lost motivation.
It says drug dips. So I'm guessing that means drug recruiting.
I mean, I don't follow Mario in the Fall, so
I don't know what he's talking about, but it sounds like
recruiting people involved in organized crime. Again, not a shocker
if you know about uh, you know, Operation Underworld.
Speaker 2: In view.
Speaker 1: In I can't read that. It's too blurry, but it
just mentions drug dips.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: Connect This one is the most probably interesting of these.
Speaker 11: I have.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen anybody say these were previously released.
But this is of course one of the key connections
that was written about and theorized about by this you know,
the hardcore JFK conspiracy nerds, and this was the connections
and the back channels that James Jesus Angleton had with
certain foreign countries. And you'll notice that the memo mentions.
Speaker 2: Here, let's see what it says.
Speaker 1: As you're aware Angleton, the CAA frequently turns over to
the Bureau highly confidential basis information which has been developed
through operations head about Angleton. In many instances, the information
is given to the Bureau without clearly going through the
regular CAIA channels. In almost all instances, it is given
to us with a clear understanding that if including a
report or other communication prepared for dissemination outside the Bureau.
I'm guessing this is an FBI document that the CIA has.
It says it can be traced back either to Angleton
or the CIA. In such instances where the information is
relates to Middle Eastern country, it has been the practice
of Middle Eastern country. And then the next document says,
in fifty four a procedure was approved whereby we could
attribute certain information receive from James Jesus Angleton CIA under
the symbol of Bureau in Format one hundred. This information,
for the most part, emanated from a liaison agreement which
the CIA maintained with Middle Eastern Intelligence and from other
sources under the control of Angleton. Much of the information
was developed by him and was not disseminated within the CIA.
He felt that the data should be passed to the Bureau.
Dulls gave him the authorization to handle the dissemination in
this way. We continue to receive information of.
Speaker 2: This nature.
Speaker 1: Of value on a regular basis, so there's a back channel.
Then it goes on to say, as you know that
continued individual captioned captioned individual is providing the Bureau with
considerable information, much of it of a very sensitive nature.
It has been noted that in transmitting communications to Angleton,
some memoranda have been sent to the Director of the
CIA Angleton in care of E. F.
Speaker 10: Hall.
Speaker 1: Other memoranda dealing with Middle Eastern Eye intelligence matters have
been directed to Engleton. And then it goes on to
say Engleton states that the above request was being made
with the approval of Dulles, Director of CIA. He further
indicates that he desired the above method designation in connecting
with correspondence dealing with Middle Eastern intelligence with regard to
the Bureau report. So again just another statement of back channel.
And then this one says Angleton handles special cases. He
has considerable freeway, a freedom in leeway. He is directing
the operations of his unit. In general, he is responsible
to the CIA numerous foreign sources and channels for developing info.
The primary source is Israeli intelligence primary source. So Angleton
is essentially backchannel attached at the hip to Middle Eastern countries.
Interesting which I think everyone already sort of knew.
Speaker 2: But here we have full on.
Speaker 1: Documentation which it looks like these are FBI files, which
is interesting too. Have people digging and finding other more
interesting things. This has only been twenty four hours, maybe
even less than twenty four hours according to Lord Voldemort.
There's another one third of the documents that have not
yet been declassified, so we might actually see, you know,
more stuff dropping that's even more wild or interesting. But again,
it looks like it confirms pretty much what most of
the researchers assumed.
Speaker 2: Or thought was going on.
Speaker 1: Who had, you know, kind of hardcore integrative takes that
integrated mafia CIA and they're foreign countries. We want to
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Speaker 1: I we read that the alder Bana two dollars, what
stops the classification for being a siout. Actually, there's not really.
I don't think that you could even rule that out.
I mean, I'm sure there have been many fake false leaks.
But also when you have declassification or something like this
for your requests, when they back up, you know, the
theories that are critical of the establishment, then it's probably believable.
But no, there's nothing that you know, you could Yeah,
you could conceivably have a fake leak or what's called
a limited hangout, And usually a limited hangout is not
totally fake information. For it to be effective, it has
some true information and then it'll mix in a bunch
of disinfo. But I mean, the idea of a Middle
Eastern country being connected to this that was so controversial
for so long. I don't find there's nothing, by the way,
in the documents that disproves any of the major conspiracy elements. Rather,
there is information that appears to be new as far
as i'm ware, But I'm not a JFK expert. This
has not been my I have not spent twenty years
on this, So I read a handful of books on it, right,
Jim Mahers, Mark Lane, Michael Collins, Piper some other less
credible conspiracy texts on it, and I just kind of like, Okay, yeah,
this is obviously, like you know. And then I've read
a lot of stuff on the history of organized crime
in the CIA.
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, to me, it's kind of obvious.
Speaker 1: So I didn't spend you know, years in the GfK
rabbit hole because obviously it's kind of like the Big
Nine events, Like, Okay, I don't believe the official story,
so what more do I need?
Speaker 2: So we're going to open it up now.
Speaker 1: People want to come on, ask questions, if you would
like to debate the topic, if you got any Roman,
if we have any Roman Catholics want to discuss the
geopolitical angle of the papacy and Catholicism coming up in
some of the documents, feel free to request to come
on and I'll let you make whatever arguments you want.
VESI Vlad Jay, what do you think the reasons are
behind the documents being released? It seems to implicate America's
greatest allies and yet our air strikes have returned.
Speaker 2: I don't know. There could be a lot of different motivations.
I mean, oh, there was a.
Speaker 1: Clip of Pompeo saying that he didn't want them released,
so I don't think he would say that he basically,
basically he was the one that was blocking the release.
So what does that tell you?
Speaker 2: Luca? What's up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: My name is Luca, isn't that? Uh? What's her name?
That that?
Speaker 1: I forget that one's name? Gotta I'm mute, man, you can.
Speaker 12: You hear me?
Speaker 5: Huh?
Speaker 13: I don't.
Speaker 14: I don't expect to be brought to be honest, but
I just want to ask a few things that like,
the Orthodox Church isn't infiltrated at all by like the
KGB and stuff.
Speaker 2: Or what in the past did you were not here?
Speaker 1: I covered this, I literally covered this like the first
thirty minutes.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I wasn't here, so my bad.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So no, As I said, I've interviewed subject matter experts
on the relationship of the KGV and the n k
v D to the Orthodox Church in Russia and other
Orthodox churches as well. I've talked about the CIA's infiltration
also of the Orthodox Church. Uh, there are Orthodox writers
who write on this subject. You can go to Orthodox
England and read essays that have been there for fifteen
years on the Internet discussing the position of ro Corps
between the KGB and the CIA and the difficulties that
ensued from that. You can look at the history of
ro Corp itself being invited in many cases to the
West because you had a lot of white Russians fleeing
Bolshevik and Soviet persecution. So idiot Roman Catholics act like
ro Corps is KGB, which to me just shows how
stupid they are, because the very entity itself is fleeing
from Soviet persecution, bullshit persecution.
Speaker 2: It's just stupid at the and ignorance. People have no
clue what they're.
Speaker 1: Talking about, and they just spit this crap out on
Twitter all day long, just showing their idiocy. So it's
way more complex than that. And in fact, even in
the structure of the KGB in Russia they had tiers
of compromisability. Did you know that it wasn't a total
KGB church. There were tiers that the KGB had about Okay,
this bishop is totally comp this bishop is flexible. This
bishop is not compromisable. Okay, so this idea that it's
all black or white is just totally stupid. I interviewed
Metropolitan jonah on that, who is a subject matter expert
on the history of the Russian Church, and I interviewed
Jim jottrass on that talking about this subversion of the
ecumenical patriarch. So like this, this idiot client, you.
Speaker 3: Only talk about the CIA the church.
Speaker 1: No, I don't talk about the CNAP all the time too.
Hang your head, Hey, just a quick question. I haven't
got to read any of these stuff yet.
Speaker 9: Obviously interested for this particular nation that's involved that we've
found that's come out that's making all the press.
Speaker 4: You just talked about, what does it have? You got
to read it and do you know does it mention
in what way specifically they're involved?
Speaker 15: And then, uh, because I'm kind of new to this stuff,
and I was curious.
Speaker 1: I mean again, where I'm not being rude, like we're
you're not here for the last hour where we talked
about it. So we went through every angle of James
Jus Angleton there that's in the documents.
Speaker 2: We went through.
Speaker 1: The Echavaccio or Evacascio, whatever his name is, the Cuban
guy and his claim, and so again it's just sort
of backs up what Michael Collins, Piper and Roger Stone
had theorized. A confluence of elements. So the CIA was
not happy with certain things that Kennedy had said about
breaking into a million pieces. Certain Middle Eastern countries were
not happy about Demona nuclear program, et cetera. And again,
Piper wrote his book in two thousand and five. I
read it in two thousand and eight. So the people
on the internet saying that.
Speaker 3: I'm the first person to talk about this, you know
where you're not?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? It's been in his books.
That's a giant book too. It's like seven or pages
from two thousand and five is and he's from The Spotlight,
which was one of the first entities to expose Bilderberg group. Okay,
Jim Tucker, Jim Tucker used to go to Bilderberg for years.
He's in the old documentaries at Lord Baldemort, at Bilderberg.
I used to read The Spotlight, so I know about this.
I read I read the book seventeen fricking years ago.
Artie Lucas, what's up.
Speaker 4: Hey, Jay, Good to see you.
Speaker 16: I know you have studied espionage for a long time,
and my question.
Speaker 4: Is about double agents.
Speaker 16: Seeing the current developments in Ukraine, which you agree that
there's a lot of Russian infiltration in Samaga Make America
Great Again camp and seeing this weird the foreign policy
of Trump's administration, I can only see Israel's and Russian's
foreign influence, and it's interesting how it's completely one to
eighty degree is shift from Biden's administration policies. It's interesting
to me how deep state, if it exists, how did
it allow this.
Speaker 1: Deep state? Deep state? If it exists, do you understand?
The New York Times wrote an article about how glad
they are that the deep state does exist. What do
you mean does if it exists?
Speaker 16: Well, if it exists, then why do they allow all
these crazy things happening, the deconstruction of dead men?
Speaker 1: If it exists, didn't you just say that Israel supported
what you're talking about, Well.
Speaker 4: That's what I mean exactly.
Speaker 17: If there's deep state, let's say, administrative state state of
the United.
Speaker 16: States, do they work with Israelis and Russians in a
way that as you said, it's not black and white,
it's double agents, it's foreign influence. And the question that
I'm getting at is this one eighty degree shift that's
obvious to everyone in foreign policy. How could deepstate allow
this craziness to happen?
Speaker 4: Like was that planned before Trump? Is Trump even the player?
What's happening there?
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I mean, yes, there are double agents,
but I don't think that this is some massive sixty
six dimensional chess game where everybody's a bunch of double agents.
And no, actually, Russia is running everything and Trump is
working for Russia. For one, the Steele dossier, the p
Gate memo, all of that was fictional material from British intelligence,
just made up. So if there is proof of this,
where is it. Where's the proof that Donald Trump is
in bed with the Russians? I mean, we've heard this
from the establishment for the last ten years almost and there's.
Speaker 2: Zero proof of that. Now.
Speaker 1: Trump is very pro Middle Eastern country, but that to
me seems to be the main vector of criticism. I
don't see this Russian stuff that Russia's running all this.
And another reason why there's a flip on this is
that the Ukraine war is terribly unpopular. Nobody in America
wants that. And by the way, are you saying that
the Biden family in its regime was not engaging in
a giant money laundering operation with Hunter and Barisma and
all that.
Speaker 2: So that's all fake too, Like.
Speaker 1: The narrative of the establishment is so preposterous that we
know it's not true. And to say if there's a
deep state, if there's a deep state, well there can
be a deep state, as the documents admit, and they're
not all powerful, like just because there's a deep state,
all they run everything, They're behind every single every event,
everything that happens is a deep state, Mimi. I mean
Victoria Nelan has said what the plan was, like not
even controversial. She says, yeah, there's bioweapons around Ukraine. Yeah
we did this, Yeah we did that, Yeah, color revolution.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that Russia doesn't have intelligence capabilities or
that they don't engage in Every nation engages in all
these same activities, right, But who I really believes that
Russia is telling America what to do? Okay, we all
know that America does what the Middle Eastern countries like.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm man, what's up?
Speaker 4: Okay? Hey, hi Jay, what's up? Hey? Thank you for
letting me speak in your space. I just want to
talk about Moscow. Moscow if you look up.
Speaker 18: To statistics of strollers and.
Speaker 4: Car seats and so the most what.
Speaker 19: If you take a road trip into Moscow beautiful, that's
where Putin is.
Speaker 2: At strollers and car seats. What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: I don't understand what you're talking about.
Speaker 13: What I'm saying is is family bound?
Speaker 2: What's family down Moscow?
Speaker 17: Like no abortions like Putin, don't believe in like pride
and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: Mike, what's up? Unmute Mike, Hey.
Speaker 4: J can hear me?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 20: My question is I had two questions. That first question
is do you think it's conspicuous that these files were
released just as as it's starting to heat up with
the Gaza strikes again where the ceasefire was broken, then
all of a sudden, these documents.
Speaker 4: That implicate Israel were released.
Speaker 20: My second question is, I know James forrestall that people
aren't aware.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you're aware was forced.
Speaker 20: Into a mental hospital in the late nineteen forties or
early nineteen fifties.
Speaker 4: He was against Israel for various different reasons.
Speaker 20: He was allegedly thrown out of a building in a
mental hospital. His son actually worked I forget which position,
but it was in the.
Speaker 1: Executive Oh this is the navy guy, right, Yes, he
comes up. He comes up in the Gladio literature too,
because he were okay, wow, yeah, because he was part
of the because he knew he was involved. I'm not
saying he's a bad person, but he was involved in
navy planning in regard to uh was it Operation Husky,
which was I think the invasion of allan invasion of Sicily,
And he at some level was involved in Gladio.
Speaker 4: But go ahead, I guess. Oh yeah, that was my
first first question. And then follow up on my second question.
Speaker 20: Do you think because James Forrest, James Forrestall was against
Israeli influence in the United States and then his son
ended up working for JFK. Junior, is that enough on
the surface to at least speculate heavily towards Israel or
do you think there has to be more there?
Speaker 1: Let me pull up the page here in the Gladia
book from Williams on Forrestall and see what he says, because.
Speaker 20: I remember when I first read that, and I was
like almost kind of shy. I was like, wow, his
son worked for JFK. Like that's that, don't that's just
that seems too that that just just seems too.
Speaker 4: Uh to aby with.
Speaker 1: But well, I mean, you know, I don't know. I
mean there could be multiple uh you know, motives for
these kinds of things, but I wouldn't be surprised. I mean,
you know, people don't know that the mafia was organized
by Middle Eastern country. So the structure of the mafia
is luck k Luciano structured it the way mayer Lanski
and others helped him structure it. I think that's right
going from memory here.
Speaker 2: So it's not just.
Speaker 1: Italian organized crime. Italian organized crime was structured via Middle
Eastern organized crime.
Speaker 4: Mall, mall, do.
Speaker 2: You want to talk?
Speaker 1: You have to turn your it's not letting you come
on here, so you have to turn your speaker on.
Speaker 3: Eric.
Speaker 1: Now, on top of this, it's interesting that not many noways.
My first thought was, it's interesting that CIA headquarters is
right now or was a few minutes ago under a
shut down due to a open pop pop. So listen
to this.
Speaker 21: We don't have a lot of details. We're showing a
live shot of the headquarters of Central Intelligence in Langley, Virginia.
That's in northern Virginia. It looks like a police presence.
Is some barricade up. I want to put that in
the box and as we know more here at Real
America's Voice war Room, we will update you. But something
quite odd.
Speaker 2: That to me is interesting.
Speaker 1: So the day after the release, there's an open pop
pop at the CIA headquarters in Virginia.
Speaker 2: What's up, Eric? That could be a distraction.
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 15: Man?
Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
Speaker 14: Uh huh?
Speaker 4: Nice dude, Hey, love.
Speaker 11: Your stuff, big fan, you're You're kind of one of
the main.
Speaker 22: Reasons I've started attending Orthodox Eastern Orthodox Church here in Franklin.
Speaker 1: So thank you for all you do.
Speaker 22: I've been listening a lot to all your theology videos,
et cetera.
Speaker 4: All your stuff is great.
Speaker 22: Also lovely working with Sam Hyde recently found out came
up in conversation with some Orthodox friends of mine last
night about Tesla.
Speaker 4: Do you know much about.
Speaker 22: How him being raised you know Eastern Orthodox as his
father being a priest. Do you know do you have
any thoughts on like how Orthodox theology and sort of
some of his ideas about light and energy are related,
or do you have any.
Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the Orthodox doctrine of
energies maybe tangentially affected him in his worldview. But my
understanding is that as Tesla got older, he got into theosophy.
So I don't think he stayed with Orthodox theology. I
think he got into sort of you know, goofy, weird
philosophical stuff. It doesn't mean that his discoveries weren't true,
It's just that from a religious perspective, it probably was
an influence and then it seems to have kind of
gone off into kooky stuff.
Speaker 4: Have you done any videos about this or any studies.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I wrote an essay about this
maybe fifteen years ago, but I haven't really thought about
it or revisited it in many years.
Speaker 4: Can I ask you one more question? Sure?
Speaker 22: So, you know, just with being new to the Orthodox
Church kind of being raised Protestant, was Agnostic.
Speaker 4: For a while and then coming back around to.
Speaker 22: Church and God through aesthetics and music and things like that,
you know, went to school for music, so kind of
coming back around to God and believing in Jesus through
a different way, you know, esthetically and whatnot, but you know,
still still have somewhat of a Protestant mind, just being
raised that way. And so I've been getting into conversations.
Speaker 2: With my mom.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I've heard.
Speaker 22: You say stuff like, you know, you don't want to debate.
Speaker 4: Your parents, just love on them.
Speaker 22: So we've been having conversations, nice conversations that haven't turned
into arguments, but just sort of trying to point her
in different directions to kind of look into the history
of the canon and things like that. So I was
just wondering if do you have a good resource. I
know you mentioned that Lee McDonald book, but do you
have like what's like a good resource for her to
kind of look into that isn't so like I guess
is a little bit more boomer friendly. Some of your
videos are a little a little intense I find.
Speaker 4: Funny, but like, I mean, the problem she would take it.
Speaker 22: The best way, but like she she's in she's open.
Speaker 1: Minded enough to where you will yeah, sorry, no, it's okay.
I mean the problem is that the canon is a
kind of a difficult topic, and I don't know that
there's one easy book on it. Maybe a little easier
than Lee McDonald's book is F. F.
Speaker 2: Bruce's book Cannon Scripture.
Speaker 1: Because he's an evangelical scholar and it's a little less
technical than Lee McDonald's book. So maybe try to give
her something like F. F. Bruce's Ken of Scripture book
and then say, hey, you'll notice, you know, he mentioned
tradition and the role of tradition in the canon, you know,
throughout that book, so you know, how how is a
Protestant can you remain Protestant soci scripture without that key
role tradition. Also, there's a book by Yarslav of Pelicon
that's pretty good Whose Bible, Which tradition? I think it's
called That one's pretty good too. Maybe that one's a
little easier even for Boomers than Bruce's book, and he's
just kind of dealing with the history of the different
canonical traditions. Oh my gosh, Ben mystic. There was a video,
uh where Pompeo was talking about why he blocked the
release or it was related to here. It is Liz
Churchill on at West Point. You Will Not Lie to
your steal and tolerate those who do. I wasn't a
sedge director.
Speaker 4: We lied.
Speaker 1: We didn't see at all.
Speaker 15: It's like we we had we had an entire we
had entire trading course.
Speaker 1: Uh, they're all cheering and.
Speaker 2: We're the best of lines, jet and stealing dog.
Speaker 12: Maul.
Speaker 2: What's up man? You'll try against.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry, I've just changed.
Speaker 18: And I don't know if you've covered this question before,
but about the files?
Speaker 4: Do you where about the files? The JK?
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 18: Do you do you have any sort of idea as
to why the CIA requested Israel's redaction from the files?
Speaker 1: Well, we said earlier that most likely that they might
consider that damaging the special relationship between the two countries
at a basic level, and then at a more conspiratorial level,
it might lead to you know, retaliation and some sort
of you know, maybe compromising information comes out on somebody
leaking the you know, opening up the files.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah?
Speaker 18: And why so why with that request do you think
they released it? I don't know, totally up in the air.
Speaker 2: Well, it's totally up in the air.
Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, I think, you know, people
think of Trump as completely devoted to the Middle Eastern
country's cause, and he does often seem to be, but
every now and then he'll also seem to not be
as devoted, which I don't know the explanation for that,
For example, sharing the Jeffrey Sachs stuff critical of these actions.
Why this is let loose now, I mean they could
have just they could have let it loose and just
like deleted all these documents too. So that's like, I
don't understand like people think that, you know, just because
it's released, like it couldn't be tampered with. I mean,
they could have not had any these documents in there
at all, which.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the motivations are, but yeah, I
mean a lot of things have been happening, you know,
to take the Daily Wire as an example, right, So,
like so Ben Shapiro doubles down, doesn't allow any criticism
of the Middle Eastern countries actions and positions the last
couple of years, Daily Wire doubles down on that doesn't
really allow that there that kind of just begins the
descent of Daily Wire into irrelevance. Daily Wire tries to
recoup by bringing on all these clowns and degenerates like
Destiny and Nalla and all these weirdos, and so that
seems to be just sort of spiraling away. And it's
like people don't They're not reading the room, is what
I'm saying. Like this is all over Twitter, all over
the Internet. People are not being boomer towards anymore. Yeah,
that's so they're not reading the room at least entities
that keep trying to push like, you know, the mindset
of neo conservatism like ten years ago. This is not
twenty sixteen Internet, man, this is We're out of boomerdom
and boomer evangelicals and the Christian dispensation is nonsense. I mean,
look at this dude today. What's his name? This freak
misfit Patriot. And I'm not trying to be mean here,
because you know, I'm sure every man has dirty thoughts
or temptations to dirty thoughts, because guys have that. However,
mine involve women, they don't involve dudes, and they don't
involve anything entering the exit only from behind. And people
apparently uncovered this allegedly miss fit Patriot's profile here. My
quip was miss fist Patriot because of his profile name there,
but I don't think this should be surprising anyone, because
I mean even Bryce and Gray kind of and other
people were picking up on Skittles tendencies here shall we say?
And bryceon Gray's not the smartest cookie in the cookie jar?
Speaker 2: Is he?
Speaker 1: But anyway, so in other words, like this is like whatever,
like normy conservatism is.
Speaker 2: People are done with that, dude.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants purple haired, blue haired by sexual creep weirdos
telling them about the Middle East and geopolitics.
Speaker 2: People are just sick of it, Sapphire.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about destiny all these creeps, Safire,
what's up?
Speaker 14: You know what?
Speaker 10: I'm mute?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 23: Hello, yeah, I know you're uncovering a lot.
Speaker 4: Of the JFK stuff today. I'm curious.
Speaker 23: Have you seen the letter from JFK Junior that was
sent to Joe Biden?
Speaker 4: And are you familiar with that at all?
Speaker 2: I did see that. I don't know what to make
of that, because.
Speaker 1: You know, if you go back to Burmus's videos, Burmas's
archived Biden's role in the Big Nine event, and Biden
did play an interesting role there because he went and
met with General ma Mood and discussed the meeting. Then
said there was no meeting. That's when money was transferred
hundred and twenty thousand dollars to Pakistani ISI and Biden
talked about it in that secret back door channel that
they had with the Pakistani i SID which relates to
the Big Nine event. Again, just go watch Burmas's archived
clips of that. That's on record. So in other words,
Biden is he's not at the top of the pyramid,
but obviously he played some important role. I think back
at the time at the Big Nine event, he was
like the intelligence chair or whatever the Senate, you know,
did intelligence chair or something.
Speaker 2: I think that was his role.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, I'm sure that he's in the background
of this stuff as a kind of an adjacent person.
He's not running everything. But I'm not surprised if that
was true that he said Biden's a trader. But somebody
was I don't know, but somebody was saying that the
FBI supposedly looked into that, and it's not a real letter.
I don't know, but I did see a lot of
people talking about it.
Speaker 23: Yeah, I looked into it too, and from what I'd
seen on some articles on it, it's like the FBI
confirmed that like the author is anonymous, but the signature
is still on it. Oh really, it's like they have like, yeah,
they have expert like doctors and stuff. Surely they would
know if someone like fabricated the signature. You know, they
caught it, you know, Tekezinski that way. So it's like
it seems like it actually was his signature. So I'm wondering, like,
how the hell did that get on the letter?
Speaker 4: You know, just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: That's a good question, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's JFK researchers that would know more about
that than me.
Speaker 2: I'm not super.
Speaker 1: I'm not super deep in you know, the JFK stuff.
All Right, it's up and for him. If anybody wants
to come on and ask a question, if you'd like
to have a debate discussion, we have Nicholas Bucci ten
dollars your advice on the best way to study the
Church fathers. I would start with Athanasius on the Incarnation.
I would read Basils on the Holy Spirit. I would
read the five theological Orations of Gregory nazian Zeus, and
then I would read or begin perhaps with read those,
but begin with the post Apostolic fathers.
Speaker 2: Can't.
Speaker 1: That's beat that. That's probably the easiest way to start
reading the Fathers. I have a friend that assists the
Dudo Chronicles prove papocy in purgatory. I have no idea
how an idiot Roman calviy would think that the Dudero
Cannon and Maccabe's proves the papacy.
Speaker 2: That sounds completely insane to me. I would love to
hear a.
Speaker 1: Roman calvic try to make an argument that McCabe's proves
the papacy. That just seems completely outlandish and purgatory. I
mean has after you mean, we use the text of
maccabee's to show that we pray for the dead, But that's.
Speaker 2: Not a proof of purgatory.
Speaker 1: Is the created fire of God burning you as a
payment for your temporal debts for sins? There ain't none
of that in Macabe's. Referee Rob Jackson one dollar, thank
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Speaker 24: Talk on certain Middle Eastern things been the mystic uh
oh ay ay.
Speaker 25: I was wondering, I never heard of your take about
your personal experience with the Big Nine event. I was
wondering where you were, what was your take on that day,
and when did your view on it start to shift
towards malfeasance on the part of our government.
Speaker 2: I was at work and.
Speaker 1: We used to have a like a radio that was
in the paint mixer I used to I was a
paint mixer, so I was mixing paint when it happened,
and I remember listening to it on the little radio
there and I was, you know, I remember being blown away.
I was like, well, this is crazy. I can't believe this
is happening. What's going on?
Speaker 2: Like what's you know?
Speaker 1: And the news was like I remember under attack and
it's like are we going to war?
Speaker 2: Like who's attacking? Is what's happening?
Speaker 1: So I remember when they announced that the first tower
was hit, and then a little bit later the second
tower was hit, and yeah, I'll never forget any of that,
but I mean I was like, I don't know. Nineteen
eighteen so I maybe twenty. I had no idea about geopolitics.
I didn't know anything about Islam or Middle East or
you know, any of that stuff. So I didn't know
anything other than what the mainstream media was telling everybody.
Because in two thousand and one, I mean, the Internet existed,
but it wasn't like it wasn't omnipresent like it is now,
so you know, you couldn't go look up all the
you know, conspiracy facts or questioning the events or whatever.
And I remember watching I remember actually was Ebomb's World.
E Bomb's World had clips from Burmus's documentary on it
because the clips were going viral, and it was clips
that were like questioning the Pentagon event, and that was like,
wait a minute, that's kind of weird, what's going on there?
And then I remember watching the first version of Loose Change,
and then I remember watching not too long after that,
subsequent documentaries came out, so that that was about two
thousand and three and four or five is when I
started questioning that event.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was in middle schoo when it happened. I
don't think I began to question until I probably got
out of high school. And actually Jason Burmas.
Speaker 25: When he left New York decided to move to the
community that I used to live in, the Quad Cities, Iowa,
Illinois border.
Speaker 4: He's a good guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm talking out with Burmas in person. He's a fun,
really really cool, very kind, you know, charitable dude.
Speaker 2: I like him a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for that, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I thought you were the dude that's going to come
on and like try to argue a bunch of crazy
mystical stuff. So I apologize. I thought you heard somebody
else MKG, what's up man?
Speaker 4: Hey j Opo as well.
Speaker 19: My question was about the super chat I sent in
last night. I think there was a misunderstanding regarding the
Erman question part ermine question.
Speaker 4: I wasn't asking.
Speaker 19: From a textual perspective debate.
Speaker 4: I was asking that.
Speaker 19: If hypothetically a bart Erhman or bart Ermin disciple were
to challenge you on Christianity, how.
Speaker 4: What would be a retort or how what what would
be the thing?
Speaker 1: I would use pre sup and tag because they would
be coming from some kind of you know, unbelieving perspective.
So that's again, I'm a philosophy dude, not a text dude.
Speaker 2: So that's that's the route I would take.
Speaker 1: I don't know what other route you could take unless
you were, you know, studied in textual issues. Maximum nine
to one, one three dollars, O'Brien's kayak ten dollars Daily
wire Highlighting people like Destiny and defending Nala reminds me
of Karl Rove in the two thousands pushing big ten conservatism.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1: The quote conservatism is such a joke. That's why I
made that video a few months ago. Uh, conservatives are
a bunch of goofy goobers.
Speaker 26: I'm a goof goober, your goof fee goober. We're all
goofy goobers. Ortho Christian one dollar. There's an article on
The Guardian about Russian speaking Middle Eastern immigrants from the
Soviet Union transformed Israeli policy.
Speaker 1: Interesting, that makes sense because of Stalin's change in policy. Right,
Stalin went from originally wanting to sort of court Middle
Eastern countries two then what banishing certain groups? My cheap
ass glasses just broke. So I'm gonna have to be
I'm gonna be acting.
Speaker 2: Like a uh the peanut man with a monocle. I'm
a goofye goober.
Speaker 10: You are a goofy goober, your old goofy of goobers.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I remember Carl Rode pushing that that
was because they were always intending on you know, turning.
I mean, just neo conservatism itself is just liberalism, so
it's it's neo Trotskyism.
Speaker 10: Troy goo Goober, you are Okay, what's up, dude?
Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, I was I gonna say. Oh so, I
just have a quick question. I see you on my
TV here and you have the omniliberal destiny.
Speaker 5: When when did he become a conservative or or how
was he representative of conservative?
Speaker 4: I always thought he was, you.
Speaker 1: Know, a crazy nobody got this tweet. When I originally
put it up, it went viral. It's got like three
hundred thousand views. It's a joke. So no, of course
he's not conservative. My whole point is that Daily Wire
platforms all these goofy goobers as if these people are
in any way relevant for conservative people. It's just ridiculous.
That was the whole point.
Speaker 27: Okay, Yeah, I completely feel the joke.
Speaker 1: If you look under the if you look under this post,
there's like thousands, hundreds of people who didn't get it.
They're all just saying like, yeah, they're.
Speaker 3: Like us is conservative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's the point. Did I miss something?
Speaker 4: Did he switch over?
Speaker 1: I know a year ago, so I was No, he's
a complete just demon dude. He's disgusting, but I mean
he's like misfit patriot, Like that's exactly that's the That's
what they want conservatives to be, because when you have
no morals, you're completely you know, you don't have anything
to conserve and you don't have any anything to fight
for to fight back from.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: So that's why his name is Destiny, because he's what
the technocratic elite want the Western man to be. He
is the destiny of Western man from the mindset of
the technocratic demon goblins.
Speaker 28: Joseph Jay Yo, Hey, so I go to Trinity Church.
Speaker 29: I went there, have been going there since November thirty
at twenty twenty three. I wasn't active LGS, but I
grew up. How do I choose a church man? Because
I know I studied church history and unfortunately, I know
I love my church, but I know I can't be
a Protestant, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And I know.
Speaker 29: After the Pope said all as lead to Heaven.
Speaker 4: I know. I was like, yeah, they're out. So how
do I how do I go up? How would I
go about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just wherever you live, go check out all of
the Orthodox churches that are near you and find the
one that's the best fit for you. That's literally the best.
That's what we all did. That's the best way to
do it. So that's my recommendation.
Speaker 2: Guys, it is.
Speaker 1: Wait now we get more super chat excuse me, comforts
of home television three dollars. Sounds like the home shopping
network three dollars. Thank you for this information, God blessed,
Thank you man. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Orthow Christian one dollar.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that Middle Eastern country's connection is
a good pretense for the World War three letter written
by Albert Pike. I actually think that letter is fake.
I don't think that's a real letter. Storing the cat
ten dollars. I like turtles.
Speaker 2: I have turtles.
Speaker 4: Kay.
Speaker 2: I'm just making sure I got all these super jets.
Speaker 1: We don't want people angry.
Speaker 10: I'm a goofy goober.
Speaker 2: You goober, anybody in the chat want to hop on?
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 14: Right?
Speaker 26: Here we go.
Speaker 1: We got some people hopping on trounser. So the topic
the topics are listed.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 15: Hey, I have a question. It's somewhat related, maybe not.
You can tell me if this isn't good. But I've
recently gotten interested in the whole MK projects.
Speaker 4: Right from the sixties.
Speaker 15: I was one of those people that grew up like
I didn't think hypnotism was even real. Sorry, what's up
in kultra? Yeah, exactly, Okay, what would you recommend as bebies?
I know you've done a ton of research, I know,
like Esterbrooks has the book Hypnotism and all that. What
would your recommendation be for the best like comprehensive guide
on like.
Speaker 2: What that is, what hypnosis is? Or m keldra.
Speaker 15: Well, I know they're overlapping, right, So I guess what's
your in your expert opinion, which want like just whatever
you think?
Speaker 1: Well, okay, So Mkultra is dozens of projects all over
the place, at dozens of universities, not just in North America,
but actually all over the world, even places like Australia
so and in fact, more recently even other NATO countries.
You and Cameron and Carl Jung were at the same
outfit in Switzerland at the same time, Bergoldzi We've covered that.
So in fact, there's actually not one magisterial text on
mk Ultra. But I would recommend either Walter Bowart's book
Operation in My Control or John Marx's book CIA and
Search for Entering Candidate. Those are two good introductory books.
Gordon Thomas also has a pretty lengthy book. He also
has an extensive book on Israeli intelligence and Masad, which
is in my stack over here. I have not read Gordon.
That's the one book I haven't read on Keltra is
Gordon Thomas's book, but it's probably pretty good. Colin Ross
has a book on the CIA doctors. So any of
these would be decent introductory works. But there's not, to
my knowledge, like one megaton book on.
Speaker 4: It got you. Yeah, I was looking at stuff that
was more uh. I mean you might have named them.
Speaker 15: I'll go and look at these people afterward. But I
was even looking at like William J.
Speaker 4: Bryant.
Speaker 15: He has that book The Chosen Ones and stuff like,
Have you read that one?
Speaker 4: I know it's more like jury selection.
Speaker 2: So no, I don't know what's that to do with
him Kiltra.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 15: Well, he was like only the hypnosis doctors right, like
he claimed he did Surhan.
Speaker 4: So I didn't know if you were like familiar with him.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about Lewis Jelly and West No.
Speaker 12: No, William j.
Speaker 15: Bryant, He's I think the grandson of like William Jennings Bryant.
He was like one of these hypnosis doctors. I think
he did the child, like the serial killer in Georgia,
that guy.
Speaker 1: Uh uh Are you talking about Wayne Williams.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, he was the hypnosis doctor that pulled the
confession from Wayne Williams. Oh interesting, Yeah, yeah, he he
claimed he did Sir Hannett like before his death.
Speaker 4: So I didn't know if you were familiar anyway, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I mean hypnosis is just kind of one
angle of it. But I don't know a whole lot
about hypnosis. But if you read the books that I mentioned,
Bowart's book and Marx's book, they will discuss uh hypnosis
to a degree. But a lot of this stuff is
still so. When mk Ultra happened, Helms destroyed supposedly seven
of the fourteen boxes of documents, so half of them culture.
Speaker 2: We don't know about Artemy, Yes, later do you hear me.
Speaker 4: Awesome.
Speaker 16: I just I'm just curious how you Jay Dyer is
an American blogger. You keep spreading Russian propaganda, Kremlin propaganda
that's clearly from Russian state media. I find it very
interesting how you're very biased towards Ukraine. There's many Orthodox
real Christians in Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Would that be the would that be the.
Speaker 2: Would that be hold on?
Speaker 1: Would that be the schismatic group created by the CIA
and the patriarch econonical patriarch. Is that the is that
you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 16: I just think Ukraine is fighting against neo Bolsheviks, hate
real Christians.
Speaker 1: And so who who created the schismatic with Dominko the
schismatic Orthodox Church.
Speaker 16: You're asking me a specific question that what you can
answer wants to trick me.
Speaker 4: I'm asking you.
Speaker 1: No, it's an opening.
Speaker 2: People.
Speaker 1: Dude, you mean what's on record with Dumenko?
Speaker 2: These people are idiots.
Speaker 30: No, I don't know specific way. I can't answer about
du Crane is good, guys, Yes, the entire.
Speaker 1: Western world has been duped by Russian propaganda. Because Zelensky
is awesome, as Battalion is awesome. All this stuff, right,
So we're not even talking about that today. We're talking
about uh JFK. So can people not talk about the
very like? The topics are listed, you guys, it's not JFK.
It's not that stuff. B M duper five dollars. The
ci van outside your house shot a laser beam to
break your glasses. These are just like cheap ass reading glasses.
So it did not require CIA laser beams. That was
really funny, though, really funny, but discord one dollar. Now
we already read that.
Speaker 2: Excuse me. Then went on, I have a discussion about
the topics and just spout out shit. They have no
idea about Tony. What's up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: Hey, Tony, Hey, Tony, what's on your mind?
Speaker 30: We got ten new members. Shout out to you, new members, Tony,
what's up? Go ahead, Tony soprano.
Speaker 3: Gobble hey, Tony is the gobble gool.
Speaker 1: All right, So open form, anybody wants to come on
and talk. The topics are JFK files, CIA, usage of
the Romancolic Church by the CIA as a instrument of
soft power, Cold War, Neo Bolshevism, by the way, is
neo conservatism. The neo cons are the neo Bolshevist, neo Trotskyites.
So good father, I'm mute.
Speaker 4: Yello.
Speaker 31: Okay, yeah, excellent, Well, thank you so much for letting
me on your live.
Speaker 20: Here's what's on my mind lately is.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not directly tied, but.
Speaker 31: I'm thinking a lot about the Schism of ten to
fifty four and how it was ran by these two
Roman prelates.
Speaker 32: Okay, and and it's and that's the whole thing was
based on a forced document of the donation of Constantine.
And I'm curious if that is the beginning of the
way the papal authority kind of develops this clandestine partnership stuff.
Speaker 2: I think that it contributes.
Speaker 1: There are other factors that are part of it as well,
so that you know, the history of the papal states
existing partly on the basis of these forged claims, the
collapse of the Roman Empire leaving the papacy to fill
that vacuum, deviations, and the theology contributes to it because
the Gregorian Reforms the eleventh century is where you have
the papacy claiming to be a world ruler.
Speaker 4: Oh, here's here's another here's another question.
Speaker 31: It kind of partners with it is the unloven bread.
Speaker 4: The unloven bread argument.
Speaker 31: What do you think was a primary influence in why
the West was.
Speaker 4: Using unlove and bread.
Speaker 1: There was a one of our listeners just posited an
argument for this which I had not heard. There was
a seventh or eighth century Germanic theologian I don't remember
his name, but he was the first to propose that
it needs to be the Judaic bred usage because quote
Jesus was doing the passover. So it's about a seventh
century Germanic convert theologian. I don't remember his name, but
that's apparently where it first appears, and that would count
as a judaizing error. Right, Okay, it's the guy is Melkite.
He's always on here. He may be on here now.
I just can't think of his profile name, but Melkite something.
He commented a couple of days ago. The name of
this Germanic guy I'd never heard of.
Speaker 2: Okay, Right, But also also you have.
Speaker 1: To keep in mind when you read Photius's letter about
the Carolinians sending missionaries into Orthodox countries like Bulgaria to
convert them to Romanism, even in the eight hundreds, what's
fascinating is that he notes that these quote missionary that
were sent to preach phillyoquay, we're already using the papal
claims that you have to do philly oakuay and change
the bread because the papees he said it. So in
other words, they became issues that the Western missionaries were
saying was the basis for the Orthodox being schismatics and
wrong when the Orthodox were actually correct. So in other words,
there was a political move for that as well.
Speaker 31: Right, Yeah, anyway, it's just got me thinking about this
Middle Eastern situation and wondering how much what kind of influence.
Speaker 4: In all that?
Speaker 1: Uh oh, it could be, I mean yeah, if it's
a judaizing error, it could be. But I mean this
goes back to like eighth century Germanic converts, as I understand,
jerd On.
Speaker 5: I can hear me.
Speaker 20: My question is, like best case scenario, like in the
ten years people wake up, people start to actually inform themselves.
Speaker 4: What happens, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think that after a century of brainwashing and mind
control and social engineering, it's going to take many years
to undo all that.
Speaker 2: So I have no idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the only question.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't have a better answer for that, but Harrison.
Speaker 2: What's up man?
Speaker 1: By the way, we already have you know, Lord Baltimore
interviewed I Howard Hunt on his deathbed, confessing to playing
a role in it. So you know, if you remember,
and that was in Rolling Stone too, well, I remember
when when Alex posted that his deathbed interview with I
Howard Hunt admitting that they played.
Speaker 2: A role in JFK.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, you have to not know anything to
you know, not know some of this stuff. Harrison, what's up, page,
how's it going, good man? What's on your mind?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 9: So yesterday I was watching your Jesuits and Geopolitics stream.
Speaker 2: It was very good, the old one.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 9: So it's it's super interesting to me to see the
influence of these kind of different sections of like branches
of the Catholic Church if you will have these geopolitical influences,
so like how would you say, like kind of like
an updated version of maybe that stream, like you see
that other than the Pope today like influencing maybe.
Speaker 1: Stuff like well, one easy way to see it is
the USAID stuff. I mean USAID for example, was giving
tens of millions of dollars to the most liberal skittles
Lutheran organizations and churches. There you go. Another example would
be ecumenism itself. Ecumenism, if you read the Weimoff book,
is itself a CIA Rockefeller project. And so the idea
of watering down the theology to turn the churches into
tools of American soft power to promote Americanism is crucial.
In fact, one of the main things that Wemoff argues
at the beginning of the book is that ecumenism itself
is a consumerist ideology. I will decide based on Low's
common nominator. I'll pick and choose the theology of what
I think Christianity is. And so Christianity is just like
the basic principles of you know LCD Low's comra on there,
so ehumanism literally is Americanism.
Speaker 2: That's his thesis.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I mean that's really interesting, especially if
you apply that kind of influence in modernity. I mean
the techno feudalism aspect of it is pretty concerning to me.
Speaker 1: Well, if you read but beyond that too, if you
read the Michael Graziano book that we lectured through Aaron
into the Wilderness. The academic text on the history of
CIA in religion and the Catholic Church particularly, he says
in that book as well as just a normal secular scholar.
He says that the CIA operatives that we're working with,
the OSS and the CIA, they're all ecumenists, and they
put they put Americanism first, Catholicism second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that does not surprise me.
Speaker 9: But I mean they're definitely using the guys of like
with the USA stuff. I mean, they could just label
it as some you know, Jesuit practice and have it
be written off.
Speaker 1: Well, it's even worse than that because Catholic charities and
all that stuff that's like human t R A F
F I C K I N.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah yeah, all right man, thanks man.
Speaker 4: Also appreciate everything you do.
Speaker 1: Jay, help me out a lot. Sure, thank you, all
right bigly. You'll notice, by the way, that the Roman
Catholic trash talkers, all of them all over the internet today,
none of them will come and debate this.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 1: I sent this to probably ten of them, can you
hear me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 33: Hey, just a random question here, why has there always
been a fascination and just this kind of general positivity
surrounding as a president. I'm sure I could google this,
but in your opinion, Democrats, Republicans, people in the middle
just seem to hold him in such a high regard.
I'd love to get your take on that.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that that's a good point because
when you go to Dealey Plaza, which we did about
ten years ago, I've never been there. It's a very
propaganda heavy I mean, it's all devoted to democracy and Americanism.
So at a bigger level, Kennedy represents a belief in
the thing that Quigly is defending in Tragian hope, because
in Tragian hope, the tragedy is the two World Wars
the twentieth century, and the hope is liberal democratic capitalism
can save the world. Literally, that's what like at the
end of the book. That's his hope. And so Kennedy
is sort of the ultimate martyr figure as well as
perhaps RFKMLK two, because they represent the potential future synthesis
of the Cold War dialectic moving forward into Americanism. So
Kennedy becomes a kind of a martyr for Americanism. I'm
not saying that that means that him undergoing that was
a good thing. I think that there was a confluence
of interest to remove him obviously in this operation, because
he threatened certain forces and certain objectives and people groups
that had their own motivations. So think of it more
like rival crime families than good guy bad guy. But yes,
they were able to also turn Kennedy into this notion
of a martyr for the religion of democracy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 33: I've just met with people on extremes of the political
sphere and you can find plenty, you know, anecdotal folks
that they look at him almost as if he was
a guy he was untouchable and never said the wrong thing,
and which we all know is not true.
Speaker 4: But I've always just wondered that, so appreciate it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also that, uh, that probably that when they when they
play that clip of him when he talks about.
Speaker 34: Malcol under the under the falses, I'm saying, false, has
all this kind of nonsense shake our societies. He's not
talking about Masons, and you know this, the whole context
of that speech is the Soviets. He's talking about Soviet
forces infiltrating America. It's just Cold War stuff, and a
lot of times people play that clip out of context,
like JFK was calling out the Masons and the Secret
societies and and all this stuff. And I think he
did have, as the document show, a desire to.
Speaker 1: Try to rein in the CIA because they've been doing
this with organized crime too, right, they were going after
the mobsters. They sent Carlos Marcelo to Guam. So he
probably was making certain moves to you know, whether that
was just to protect his own power or whether he
really cared about America. Either one, he was making moves
that made people mad. And then you know he betrayed
them mafia because they got them. They got the Kennedy's
elected through voter manipulation through the Chicago machine. That's well known.
So he made a lot. He pissed off a lot
of people. So there was there were various powerful people
with motivations, including sort of Texas big oil people that
were not happy with him too. So you make enemies
like that at that level.
Speaker 2: That's what happens.
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that you're therefore like the perfect
super saint.
Speaker 2: I mean he was.
Speaker 1: He was banging Marily Monroe the same time Samsy and
Conny was banging Marily Monroe and she was like, I mean,
it's just crazy, you know.
Speaker 33: So he also with the president that apparently was getting
shot up with methamphetamines every day in the Oval office.
Speaker 4: Am I thinking of the right?
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think uh, or that there's
a story about that, and uh he had like.
Speaker 4: An ivy trip of that stuff going on. What I
was what I was.
Speaker 1: Told, So I mean, you know, he might he might
have had, you know, some sincere desires for America to
not be influenced by you know, Israeli politicians or something
like that. His dad was Joe Senior, was involved in
organized crime. He worked with al Capone, and his dad
was ambassador to England, so they were very close to
British intelligence. And by the way, I'm sure British intelligence
had a role in this event too, which nobody talks about,
given the fact that Joe Senior was ambassador to Britain. Kofi,
then we'll go to Basil. But like I said, I'm
also not like a jfk Lore historian person. So Kofi,
how's it going, what's on your mind?
Speaker 4: So I don't know this is off.
Speaker 20: Topic, but would be some good questions to ask my
Lutheran pastor an objection to Lutheranism.
Speaker 4: I'm still very new to the church and stuff. I've
probably got a couple of months there, and I would
like prot.
Speaker 1: Just I'm not trying to be rude, but you can
watch some of my videos, but that's not the topic today, Basil,
what's up, man? Just watch any of the videos critiquing Protestants.
Watch the debate with DL the Protestant what's on dog, Basil?
Speaker 4: Hey, uh, I'm trying to find the connection.
Speaker 35: And I'm relatively new to your stuff, and I'm just
trying to think about the dichotomy that a lot of
people are talking about between the Zionists and the Bolsheviks,
whereas through most of the Cold War era seemed to
be on the same side, and a lot of perspects,
and especially when it comes to the jfk assassination, the government,
the US government seemed to be more attacking the Bolsheviks
while siding with the Zionists. And I'm trying to find
a good mapping of those relationships.
Speaker 4: And I was wondering what your opinion was and if
you had any resources.
Speaker 1: There's a good article that deals with that at Espionage
History Archive by Mark and it's I'm trying to remember.
It's the one I think that talks about what do
I think for a second, it's the one that talks
about Stalin and him shifting his view on Jews because
Jews ended up.
Speaker 2: Leaving and going to.
Speaker 1: Israel from Russia because of this shift in policy. It
has to do with them, the Soviets wanting Israel on
their side, and then Israel ended up siding with the West,
and that would be like, you know, a lot of
the stuff that James Jus Angleton was trying to.
Speaker 2: Get in place.
Speaker 1: But I cannot I haven't looked at this in like
ten years, so I'm trying to remember. It might be
the article that talks about Philby.
Speaker 2: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Let's see if it's a Philby article, because Philby was
involved in this too, because he was a journalist somewhere.
So it's either this one Hitler, Hitler and Stalin, or
it's oh, it might be this one. Oh, I know
which one it is.
Speaker 2: It's this one.
Speaker 5: Can you mute?
Speaker 2: Do that's really loud?
Speaker 1: It's I think it's this one Victor Rothchall's Soviet spy.
Speaker 2: I think this one deals with that. Yes, this is it.
Speaker 1: So if you read this, yes, this is it, because
he gets into phil be and Blunt at the end.
Speaker 4: This is it.
Speaker 1: So I got to Espionage History archive and read Victor
Rothchild Soviet Spy.
Speaker 2: That's the art, that's the article, yep.
Speaker 1: And it talks about the Soviet shift under Stalin. That
doesn't make Stalin a good guy.
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know.
Speaker 1: People always think in these not you, but there is
thinks in these like really childish dialectics.
Speaker 5: Well, you're seeing Stalin's a hero.
Speaker 2: Thomas B. Five dollars.
Speaker 1: Does para cursis mean that the persons share the same
divine nature?
Speaker 2: Para cursis means indwelling.
Speaker 1: It's first used in by Maximus to discuss what happens
in the incarnation the hypeset of union, that each of
the nature is fully interpenetrate and dwell one another without
destroying the properties of that nature. And it's also applied
in theology after Maximus to the trend wherein the divine
persons in dwell one another. So it's the persons in dwelling.
It doesn't necessarily directly relate to them sharing a common
essence per se. How does it go with the incarnation,
Like I said, because in the incarnation Christ, human nature
and its divine nature fully in dwell and interpenetrate one
another without the dissolution or destruction of those natures. O'Brien's
kayak ten dollars. Kennedy represented the Hope to such a
degree that they call the admission the administration Camelot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: This is juxtaposition to the family's mob connections. It was
a brilliant piece of marketing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They were brought to power through the mafia, and that
goes back to Joe Senior, who again ran liquor during
prohibition with al Capone. Ozwa.
Speaker 36: Hello, just some questions about your stream yesterday and some
comments you made today kind of shut down the idea
of Russia like collaborating with the USA in general just
managing global security and things like that. And yesterday when
you talk about the Middle East, you mentioned how a
lot of it comes from sort of British policy from
the beginning of the century. Yeah, that's not contrast be
shut down the no, but I just wonder what you
do you like, disagree that the USA and Russia kind
of worked together to manage the security of the world
in some way like they must do, they must have
some sort of relationship.
Speaker 1: Uh no, there are relationships, there are degrees of you know,
security agreements, sure, but.
Speaker 4: That you just end the day that you don't think
that they go further.
Speaker 1: Well, what explicitly are are you thinking? You think that
Trump and Putin secretly meet in the Masonic.
Speaker 2: Lodges or what?
Speaker 4: Nothing like that?
Speaker 1: Long, Well, what is your theory?
Speaker 36: They Okay, I just wanted.
Speaker 4: To some clarification.
Speaker 1: Well, it's because I work for the KGB, right, So
I was hired in nineteen eighty by the KGB to
promote Soviet cryptocurrencies like bitcoin and dougan coin, and I've
been outed. So that's that's what's going on. It's it's
all me running disinformation to protect Soviet coin, my uh
crypto and putent coin because I get paid in putent coin,
So that's what it does. It's all it's all vast, massive,
gigantic conspiracy. So here are one of these Roman Catholics
who has anime pro they're always the worst two that
Roman cast the anime profiles, and they won't come debate.
So Spinoza's pantheism is not pagan or gnostic apparently. And
I'm arguing this guy right now, trying to get him
to come debate. So I wonder he's got quite a
few in his audience. I'll see if any of his
audience will come to bate. He's got seventeen thousand followers, supposely.
And this is what you get with the Roman Catholics.
They want to defend Spinoza's pantheism, which is based in Kabbala.
This is you can read this in Gersham Sholam. You
can read Kabbala goes back to narcissism into platonism. You
could read this in Sholom. You could read this in
Snicia Glu's giant Cambridge text. But these people are just
out to launch. He only loves deboating. None of them
will come debate. That's crazy. If you would like to debate,
it's open for him. I've asked about fifteen of these
wacko Roman Catholics and quasi pagan want to be I
want to be fascist Larper's. They won't come to bait.
So where are you at, dude, mister c So what
does Gersham Scholam say about Kabbalism that anyone would know
who'd read any of his text He's the foremost Cabbalistic scholar.
Speaker 2: Of the twentieth century.
Speaker 1: I've got about five of his books. This one major
trans of Jewish mysticism. What is Mercaba mysticism? Oh, it's
Jewish gnosticism. What is gnosticism? While it's pagan as st
Heuronees and many of the Church fathers say. And if
you read Scholam's other text Kabbala, he says Cabbalism is
based in Neoplatonism. And if you read Soniciaglow's book on Spinoza,
he said, which is the Cambridge text, he says Spinoza
and his pantheism was influenced by atheistic Platonism from his
Antium from Gemistos Plethon. I'm pretty sure Plethon is a
pagan philosopher. I'm trying to get this guy to come
to bate, like I have to beg these people to
come debate m.
Speaker 2: And they won't do it. Palpable memes. And then Michael,
what's up palpable memes?
Speaker 4: I'm you, hey, j I have a quick question while
you're waiting for a napponent.
Speaker 37: That they won't come, Go ahead, Hey, a few months ago,
I was just happened to be scrolling some of your
older work on YouTube and came across a breakdown that
you did of Jonas Salk's Survival of the Wisest. And
that was the first day of the Trump presidency.
Speaker 8: The second day I saw him roll out Stargate with
Larry Ellison and Sam Moltman, and it just like.
Speaker 1: So, I'm on YouTube, we can't talk about that right now,
mister c what's.
Speaker 4: Up, Hey, mister Dian, good evening.
Speaker 27: I had a question about feel free to boot me
if I'm off topic, about the web Holf book and
also by the Courtney Murray book.
Speaker 1: That's on topic. You're the first person to actually be
on the topic.
Speaker 2: I'm joking ahead.
Speaker 27: All right from here in Tim Kelly, a while back
about these two books, I was wondering if there were
anything more in relation to intelligence agencies and the Catholic
Church besides maybe God called apart three or something.
Speaker 13: Uh?
Speaker 2: What what books? You said, two books.
Speaker 27: Besides the Courtney Murray book and also the wind Hof
book in terms of Catholic.
Speaker 2: Church, Well, the John Courtney.
Speaker 1: M do you mean when you say the Courtney Murray
book that is the Window books.
Speaker 27: What do you mean, Oh okay, I thought there was
a second one that dealt with Catholicism and intelligence agencies.
Speaker 4: I just wonder if so.
Speaker 1: There's many that deal with it in some degree. There's
the Paul Williams book on Gladio. There's the Michael Graziano
book on Aaron into the Wilderness, which I covered. There's
the John Taylor book about spies in the Vatican, which
is a procier narrative. There's Daniel Ganser's book NATO's Secret Armies.
And there's God's Banker about Roberto Calvi and the Minco Dembrosio.
And I'm sure there's other ones, but those are kind
of the main ones that I can think of.
Speaker 4: Very cool.
Speaker 27: I know the Williams book in the Courney worry book
or written by Catholics so that it has more have
at least to us being you know what's going on
in the church.
Speaker 1: So correct, correct, yes, correct, good point, Thank you, mister c.
And thank God for somebody on topic. And Melchite cleric
is the guy who knows about the first Germanic dude
to use uh, the Judaic version of the bread.
Speaker 2: Who was that guy?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 12: Yeah, go ahead, Hey, I wanted to comment on the
I love of bread.
Speaker 13: It was.
Speaker 22: It was actually so interesting.
Speaker 4: When I found out about it.
Speaker 12: And it was a monastic practice in Frankia by Saint
Vincar Cisel, and he's actually still venerated in the Eastern
Orthodox Church today. He was a prolific monastic. He's mentioned
as blessed and mentioned energy. But like I said, he
was a monastic.
Speaker 1: And uh and made a mistake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he he did it.
Speaker 12: He did make a mistake, and the practice spread throughout
the monasteries. The Franks in the seventh century had a
monastic rigor, so the priests and the bishops really looked
to the monks, and it spread through monasteries throughout Frankia.
And then as time for grasp and the Carolingians emerged
to kind of make themselves different from the Byzantine Church,
big marker was the leaven bread and I believe personally
the Franks probably had brain ride in that before.
Speaker 2: Making a different Yeah, thank you so much, exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you hopped in because I was trying to
think of the name and I couldn't think of it. Sean,
What's hey, Jack didn't hear me.
Speaker 20: Huh yeah. So my grandfather was in the CIA, and
I'll give you a little backstory real quick.
Speaker 4: I'm glad I actually got to talk to you here
on it.
Speaker 20: He was originally he joined the United States Marine Corps
during World War two. World War War two broke out,
he was a Carlson's Raider, and then after he was
a Carlson's Raider, he was presidential guard to Truman. Then
after that he was ambassador to Saudi Arabia, and then
he went into the CIA as a field agent, and
he was one of those guys he would have a
hand of briefcase handcuffed to him and he would travel
all over the world as a diplomatic carrier, taking documents
to wherever they needed to go. So, during the time
of the Kennedy assassination, my grandfather and my dad and
my uncle, they were.
Speaker 4: Like twelve and fourteen years old.
Speaker 20: They came down to Dallas for like two days ate
in the hotel room, my dad and my uncle, and
then my grandfather.
Speaker 4: Left to go obviously to downtown Dallas. Kennedy got shot.
Speaker 20: My grandfather came back to the hotel, he grabbed my
dad and my uncle.
Speaker 4: Said never talk about this again.
Speaker 20: And he was in a big panic, and my dad
said he had all kinds of guns and weapons with him.
He then faked his death. I think they went to
New Jersey afterwards, or it might have been South Texas.
I don't remember exactly, but he faked his death and
said he had a heart attack and he had a
death certificate and everything. Your granddad, my grandfather, Yeah, he
was in the CIA.
Speaker 2: No I heard that part. Who's the he that faked
his death your granddad, Yeah, my.
Speaker 4: Grandfather, And so he got shot. He was in the CIA.
Speaker 20: He faked his death and disappeared essentially because they killed
everyone that was involved. And so they went to the
Bahamas for two years, and my dad said that they
lived there was the Seven Islands on the Bahama was
where they hit out right, and there was a boat
that would come and they would pick up all the
kids on the Seven Islands and they would have class
on the boat.
Speaker 4: It was school was on the boat. It was a little, tiny,
little tiny boat.
Speaker 20: So after about two years things calmed down and my
grandfather came back to the States with my dad and
uncle shortly after that. Wherever my dad and uncle were
two suits came and knocked on the door and said, hey,
your dad died in a car accident. We're going to
take you and your brother to New York to go
live with your mom now. And so essentially the government
just took my dad out, I mean, my grandfather.
Speaker 4: They killed my grandfather as soon as he came back
to the States. My dad never saw his body.
Speaker 20: He never got to have any of his documents, never
got to have any of his personal possessions.
Speaker 4: They just took him and took them up to their moms.
Speaker 20: And that was the last time my dad ever saw
my grandfather.
Speaker 1: And then and you think that was just because of
knowledge of the events that we're saying, he was there.
Speaker 4: My dad swore up and down that he was one
of the shooters. And my grandfather was. He was a
killer for the CIA.
Speaker 20: He was a he was an assassin when he was
in the Carlson's Raiders. After he would kill the Japanese,
he would take the butt of his rifle and he
would smash all their teeth out, and he took all
their teeth and put him in a jar. And my
dad said that he would have the teeth on his
bed mantle in a jar.
Speaker 4: It's like a trophy. And he said he always carried
two two pistols on him.
Speaker 20: He would out forty five, forty five and a thirty
eight special and he said he never those pistols never
left his side, and.
Speaker 4: He's country all the time.
Speaker 20: And he said randomly suits would just on the door
and they would hand my grandfather a big yellow envelope
and one time my dad they handed my dad the
envelopes they give this to your father.
Speaker 4: My dad opened it up one time and was just
full one hundred dollar bills. You know.
Speaker 20: They were giving him money to do whatever he needed
to do on the CIA.
Speaker 2: And what's that's crazy?
Speaker 1: What's your take on all the document stuff today? Which
last night? What you're thoughe on that?
Speaker 29: Man?
Speaker 20: Well, there's so much to it, and there's it's it's
hard to cipher through it, and everybody has their own
different opinions. I haven't been following it too much, to
be honest, but I'm trying to find I try to
look up the ambassadors for Saudi Arabia because he was
an ambassador for Saudi Arabia. He was also head of
security added Embassy in Australia as well and I try
to look a lot of it up, and I couldn't
find his name, Don Robert Catlin.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if they just erased his.
Speaker 20: Name from everything or but I'm having trouble finding out it.
We did my dad when my dad was still around,
he hit up the Marine Corps and he got a
bunch of his medals when he was in the Marine Corps.
Speaker 4: And I have those medals to this day in my room.
But I haven't been.
Speaker 20: Following it so much because it's it's just a lot
to cipher through, man, And and I don't know, Man,
I just wanted to get it out there that Don
Robert Catlan he was.
Speaker 4: He was one of the guys that was there.
Speaker 20: And uh, because there was there was like I think
there was three shooters and then that there was probably
three backup shooters. You know they had they had all
kinds of backup plans. They like they were going to
kill him no matter what.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, I appreciate you. Uh you're
bringing that that story. That's wild. Yeah. They're saying that
this the search function doesn't work very well. Uh, and
I mean it makes sense, like the documents are really
hard to decipher in some cases. Eric, what's up, man,
I'm still trying to get these Roman callities to come in.
Speaker 4: Here, yo yo yo, uh huh. Yeah.
Speaker 22: So I'm actually gonna be going to Roman Catholic Inquiry tomorrow,
probably the last one, since I'm kind of going back
and forth between Orthodox and Roman Catholic but pretty sold
on Orthodox and I've.
Speaker 4: Been living the church I've been going to in Franklin.
Speaker 22: But I actually was able to get this this group,
this inquer group to discuss the difference between Orthodox and
Roman Catholicism.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 22: I'm just curious, like if you were in that group.
This is like a Catholic in quer group for anybody
to come to. It could be an atheist, gnostic, whatever,
it's for people to come and just ask questions.
Speaker 4: So probably gonna be my last one.
Speaker 22: Wanted to just see what they had to say about
the you know, kind of their view on Orthodoxy at
Eastern Orthodoxy. So what would be some good questions to ask?
Like if you had all the knowledge that you had
and you were there, you know, I don't know as
much as you do, not even close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say I would watch my video one
dogmatic contradiction that ends Rome. How can it be necessary
to believe in the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop
for salvation in thirteen eighty two or whatever them sunk
them and after Vatican Two that's no longer necessary for salvation?
How is that not a contradiction in dogma?
Speaker 2: Snake?
Speaker 1: None of these people will come to this romanc other
guy says, I'm eating, I don't have time for this. Yeah,
so he can sit there. He considered tweeting, and all
these other guys are like, oh, I'm at work. Oh,
you can tweet all day, but you can't just hop
onto space and defend your positions.
Speaker 2: What's up, man?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 2: How about you? I'm good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 38: So I've been looking into a book from William Satui
on like the CIA's influence on like Japanese media, like manga,
anime and all this other stuff, and it seems like
there's this huge like proponent to like push like Western
feminism in pot Oh.
Speaker 2: Wow, what's the book? I never heard of this. It
sounds interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't know much about I don't know much about
the CIA in Japan.
Speaker 2: So what's the book?
Speaker 39: Uh, it's the Culture Cold War the CI in World
of Marks.
Speaker 1: And oh, you're talking about the Francis Sanders Saunder's book.
Speaker 4: And one by William Sisui.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I have the Saunders. But what's about William
What William M.
Speaker 4: Susui? Media control?
Speaker 1: Can you spell that?
Speaker 4: Uh? T s u T s u I first name? William?
Speaker 2: Got it and it's media control?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Perfect.
Speaker 39: And it looks like he has like a bunch of
papers posted in like academic journals and stuff in Japanese studies.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll definitely get that. Appreciate that recommendation. We
got to come more super chats here. Evan g D
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grace to an even higher state than the angels, such
that in the ascton we will even judge the angels,
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I'm sorry to hear that, man, but yeah, I understand.
You know, we just lost two people close to us
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and then it'll kind of it'll ease up and you'll
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we're not supposed to be even afraid of death. Uh,
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none of these people would even come close to doing it,
So as usual, waste of time. But you know what
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Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 11: Yeah, sorry if if I'm a little too low, I'm
coming down with something, so I might not tell him
like I don't really do it'll be it'll be quick anyway.
I just wanted to see if, like I understand why,
you know, like Tristan hasn't wanted to, you know, like
do the whole online thing for a while or you know, at.
Speaker 1: Least that's what I remember you that's because he got
demolished in rap battles by me, so he.
Speaker 11: Quick what's his name little aids?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you young boomers.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I mean something like this, I know this,
a riddle like this, something like this should really I
don't know, maybe get him excited toob on the stream
or something to see if you can put something together
with him or or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, I think they just had they just had a
new baby, so he's, uh, you know, he's been tending
to their their new congratu.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I did see that both your Yeah, definitely can
rest them.
Speaker 2: That was pretty much all I had.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll try to get Tristan back on their I
appreciate that. Carl, what's up? And you will try again.
We'll see if you get Tristan to come yap it up,
mix it up.
Speaker 4: Hello, Hey, all right, I have a question on the filioquid.
Speaker 39: Okay, So I understand that it subordinates the Holy Spirit
because he doesn't share a property that the.
Speaker 4: Father and the Son do.
Speaker 13: What I'm having trouble trying to wrap my brain around
is how we categorize hypostatic properties and why they're only
in the positive.
Speaker 1: Well, because they pick out the unique positive characteristic of
that person, So they couldn't be merely negative, you know,
lacking attributes, because if you think about it, like each
person has infinite lacking attributes, right, the Father is not
Michael Lee Archangel. The Father is not Bob the Mechanic.
So a negative attribute saying what it's not doesn't tell
you hardly anything about what it is. And typically negative
attribution or apapatic theology or via via negativa is what's
applied to the divine essence, not the divine persons. So
when we want to pick out persons, we need characteristics
or categories or properties that tell us some kind of
positive cataphatic value or content as to what they actually
are or who they actually are. So when we speak
of Father, the Cavedocians are pretty unanimous that the father
is identified as source found, RK, N RK, cause, et cetera. Okay,
so if that uniquely picks out well his positive characteristic
of who he is as the person, then that cannot
be shared because the campetition dictum is that a hypostatic
property cannot be shared because it's unique to the person,
but any other property must be shared because it's a
common attribute of essence. So for example, divine love, divine
love doesn't pick out one person because the father has love,
the son has love, the spirit has love. So love
is an attribute common to the triad, not a hyposthetic property,
but to be generated is a unique property of the son.
Speaker 2: You see.
Speaker 4: Yeah that makes sense. Actually, thank you? Sure?
Speaker 2: Is that all?
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 2: Thank you for your patience anytime. Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being a patient about the question because
a lot of people are fussy about this malignant and
he dropped off. So anybody want to come back, Any
Roman Catholics, any Tradcats, any people who want to discuss
the topics listed, any anybody else about the JFK stuff.
So notice the Roman Catholics, He says, I'm you're single
and childless. So I'm not going to come talk to you. Well,
actually I'm married. So this is all they have? The
Godfather three in John Courtney Murray. There's actually quite a
few books. I mean it's not just those two books.
There's many books, but I mean those are the books
that kind of focus on these issues. Lost hedgem On
by Ingdahl also gets into intelligence usage of religious schools
and networks, and not just I mean Ingdall's book's not
really dealing with the Roman Catholics. He's dealing with like
evangelicals and Islamic networks like the Fetula goul In networks.
Solid Snake ten dollars. Thank you for having me on
the space. I love the content, by the way, quote
quoting Bryson Gray, what that is? Eb ten dollars. I
recommended that you watch the anime one Piece yesterday. Write
down in the notes that that you wrote one Piece
fan edit.
Speaker 2: Writing that down.
Speaker 1: Now watch the original Japanese dub and watch up.
Speaker 6: Through the lobby arc. Okay, mark three dollars, go go
one more back up, Go one more back up.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts if the driver was the shooter?
Do you mean one more backup? I don't know what
you mean one more backup here. I don't know anything,
Like I've not looked into the ballistics of what went
down that day.
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: You would probably want to look into some you know,
like legit JFK researchers that would go into all that stuff.
I usually, you know, it's it's kind of like the
Big Nine event. People get all into.
Speaker 5: Like the what were the seismic registers on the day
of the Big nine event? And what about this thermic nanotech?
Like I don't know about thermite nanotech. I don't know
about seismic registers, but I can read the geopolitical stuff
that lets me figure out, Okay, who stands to gain
from the Big nine event?
Speaker 2: Like, to me, that's way.
Speaker 1: More interesting than getting all into this like the technicalities
of whatever.
Speaker 2: Not a single Roman Catholic would come discuss this stuff.
Speaker 1: That's pretty sad. Actually, that's it makes perfect sense, though.
I think we did have one Catholic in you're asking questions,
So props to that dude. But just everybody again take
note that like none of them will we'll touch this
this subject. I'll here's somebody Joseph, what's up?
Speaker 2: Hyeah, what's up?
Speaker 4: Oh g how are.
Speaker 17: I?
Speaker 4: Well? Thanks?
Speaker 17: I think your voice seems a little bit maybe it's
an issue from my side, it seems what.
Speaker 4: Just the moment, Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah?
Speaker 17: My my pustion is uh, I want to my thinking process, Uh,
is it for those who object to the eternal generation
and procession of the son of the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 4: Is it Is it a.
Speaker 17: Fair way to tackle that issue from by raising an
equal objection to the eternal activity of the attributes of God? So,
my my thinking process is if because because the objection.
Speaker 13: Implies that if we say the sun is.
Speaker 17: Generated and these proceeds eternally, that might imply cause or relationship.
And for you know, people generally speaking, when they hear
about coisality or generation, they think that chronologically you are
not and then at some point in time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the that's the area argument.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 17: So so if if, if if we object to the generation,
the eternal generation and procession, then I think it is
equally objectionable to raise that same objection to the eternal
activity of the actress God because we have to ask
at what point in time God's attribute became active.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've made this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why Unitarianism has difficulties that usually end
up making some of the divine attributes contingent and necessary
upon a created order.
Speaker 17: Okay, so you think it's a fair edgition to to
to ask.
Speaker 1: Them, Yeah you can go in that Yeah, you can
go in that direction. It's just that good luck trying
to convince a Unitarian of understanding the argument.
Speaker 4: Okay, man, all right, yeah, but I.
Speaker 1: Think you're right, you're on the right track. Yeah, we've
had some we've had some discussions in the bat with
in the back in the back a few years ago
where we went that route. So all right, cool beans, dude,
Thank you guys, A lot of fun today, great conversation.
Thank you guys for your recommendations, good questions. Nobody was
all the insane people never came to the debate or
to the chat, so that made it very cool and peaceful.
Speaker 4: H