Speaker 1: I'm right.
Speaker 2: Six minutes after seven o'clock Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas,
Speaker 2: fifty five krs the Talk station. If you check my
Speaker 2: Facebook page, you'll know that I have in this segment
Speaker 2: and Dickerson. She is the co founder and lead organizer
Speaker 2: for Indivisible of Northern Kentucky. Indivisible and welcome to the program.
Speaker 1: Thank you, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 2: I want to tell everybody that your name was given
Speaker 2: to me by Rand Paul's field rep. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I should say his name, but anyway, you have
Speaker 2: contacted him, and he suggested that maybe I talk to
Speaker 2: you to find out, you know, where you guys are
Speaker 2: coming from, what's on your mind. And we see these
Speaker 2: Indivisible popped up in the news all the time nationwide,
Speaker 2: and figured, well, what the heck, I'll find out though,
Speaker 2: what this is all about?
Speaker 3: Uh kind of man, I don't know, Mix.
Speaker 2: It up a little bit and see where you're coming
Speaker 2: from and where I'm coming from.
Speaker 3: So here we go.
Speaker 2: We talked about it, we talked, we talked about a
Speaker 2: couple of topics off air when we were setting up
Speaker 2: the interview, and uh, you know, we were talking about
Speaker 2: constitutional crisis. King chaos, economy, tariffs, hands off and so on. So, uh,
Speaker 2: I'll let you start and you tell me what you
Speaker 2: want to what is Uh I'm going to use Jen
Speaker 2: Saki's line because I absolutely hate it. But what is
Speaker 2: top of mind for you?
Speaker 1: Oh? My goodness. First off, the person that you're talking
Speaker 1: about absolutely love. I could sit and talk to him
Speaker 1: for hours and hours. It's just we you know, a
Speaker 1: really good guy, get along very well as they had
Speaker 1: a very respectful relationship for years. Uh huh. So it
Speaker 1: was his suggestion to me to do this, not the
Speaker 1: other way around. I want to make that clear. And
Speaker 1: he just as he said, would you ever do something
Speaker 1: like that? And I said, sure, right, I will talk to.
Speaker 3: Anyone didn't contact me, so.
Speaker 1: Well, it's his you know. I think we have to
Speaker 1: be open to these conversations. I think that you know,
Speaker 1: in the history of politics anywhere, and if you're not
Speaker 1: talking to people, if you're not you know, able to
Speaker 1: have some kind of respectful dialogue, that's when everything breaks
Speaker 1: down and you have just this animosity, this hatred, this
Speaker 1: exactly just I think has gotten completely out of control.
Speaker 1: I mean, people have cut off family members and lifelong
Speaker 1: friends and you know, things of that nature.
Speaker 2: It does make your Christmas card list a lot shorter,
Speaker 2: so it really postage now.
Speaker 1: Well in travel too, you know, you cut down a
Speaker 1: lot of travel. I hate it for the impact emotionally
Speaker 1: the total has on a lot of people. I also
Speaker 1: understand it because it can be very hurtful. But you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, if some if you and I can
Speaker 1: sit down and have a conversation, or if I can
Speaker 1: sit down with you know, I've been in meetings in
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell's office, in Ran Paul's office, in Thomas Mancy's office.
Speaker 1: It's over the course of since from twenty seventeen until now.
Speaker 1: I'm always open to those conversations to see, you know,
Speaker 1: is there a common ground we can reach, Is there
Speaker 1: is there a middle option where both parties can you know,
Speaker 1: feel good. I don't believe we'll ever get there on everything,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean there isn't there. Yeah, that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean there isn't a snooting point, right, So I would
Speaker 1: say to you, would you know when if you went
Speaker 1: to any of the hands off protests that were across
Speaker 1: the country, they were in last count that I saw,
Speaker 1: I forget how many hundreds there were, but there were
Speaker 1: protests in every single state. Their estimates are anywhere from
Speaker 1: three and a half to five million people out in
Speaker 1: the streets at these various events. And you know it,
Speaker 1: the reason it was so generalized, this hands off was
Speaker 1: because everybody has a different thing that's their priority, right
Speaker 1: based on their your own life, your needs, whatever is
Speaker 1: going on. And so you would see signs about, you know,
Speaker 1: hands off my social security, hands off my healthcare, hands
Speaker 1: off my education, my books, and then there were all
Speaker 1: there's always going to be called about, you know, following
Speaker 1: the constitution and hands off our traditional democratic you know,
Speaker 1: democratic republic institutions that have been around for you know,
Speaker 1: forever a number so I think all of these issues,
Speaker 1: depending on jud I'm going to determine what's their number
Speaker 1: one issue.
Speaker 2: We know Ann Dickerson, who is the co founder and
Speaker 2: lead organizer for Individual Northern Kentucky. You know, when you
Speaker 2: talk about hands off social security, hands off Medicare, hands
Speaker 2: off healthcare, hands off, you know, a lot of that
Speaker 2: can be used by conservatives such as myself, to say
Speaker 2: I want your hands off my social security. In terms
Speaker 2: of taxing it, I don't think that that should count
Speaker 2: in terms of my income if I choose to earn
Speaker 2: any other income once.
Speaker 3: I passed the age of sixty five.
Speaker 2: I don't think the federal come on, I don't think
Speaker 2: the federal government should be messing around.
Speaker 3: With our our medical information.
Speaker 2: And the fact that you know this push years ago
Speaker 2: to put everything online. I don't know if you were
Speaker 2: listening in the previous half hour, but Dave Hatter, who
Speaker 2: is a cybersecurity expert, talks about how vulnerable all.
Speaker 3: These things are.
Speaker 2: So you go and you have you know, it's great
Speaker 2: that you can have your medical records and you can
Speaker 2: go to one doctor and then they can pull up
Speaker 2: your medical records through whatever service they have. But anytime
Speaker 2: you're transmitting that stuff, there are vulnerabilities and somebody getting
Speaker 2: a hold of your medical records. I'm not sure that
Speaker 2: everything that you would want me to know, or would
Speaker 2: I want you to know what doctors I've seen for
Speaker 2: what reason, what medications I'm on, or any of that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff which can be used, as you've seen
Speaker 2: in the past, for other reasons. So when you're talking
Speaker 2: about hands off, it goes both ways.
Speaker 1: So, oh, I agree with you, but I would I
Speaker 1: would say that the specific issues that you're talking about.
Speaker 1: You know, anybody that I know personally would probably agree
Speaker 1: with you that on that aspect of things. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that Social Security should be taxed, and
Speaker 1: I don't believe our medical records should be privy to anyone.
Speaker 1: There's a reason that we have hippo laws and they
Speaker 1: need to be maintained.
Speaker 4: But you also have you know this, you know, nailed.
Speaker 1: Down even further. You have this issue across the country
Speaker 1: with laws being written and attempted to be passed to
Speaker 1: get the medical records specifically for women of child bearing
Speaker 1: age that go to gynecologist and wanting to know.
Speaker 2: Issue on that issue. Okay, And I know where you're
Speaker 2: heading with that. I'm sure having to do with a
Speaker 2: pro choice and that.
Speaker 1: But no, I really wasn't. I was just trying to
Speaker 1: say within what you were saying. You know, it can't
Speaker 1: be so many of these issues. You know, when I
Speaker 1: was grown up, there's a common phrase about because this
Speaker 1: is such a heavily German Catholic area, there was a
Speaker 1: there was a common phrase of somebody being a cafeteria
Speaker 1: Catholic where they would pick and choose as oppose to
Speaker 1: completely falling a faith, and I feel like that's a
Speaker 1: lot of what's happening now as well. You know, whether
Speaker 1: you're talking about the Constitution, whether you're talking about the
Speaker 1: overreach that that you mentioned with healthcare. You know, we
Speaker 1: can't it's either all or nothing on these things. We
Speaker 1: can't just pick and choose. While everybody can have privacy
Speaker 1: for their healthcare, but not if you're a woman of
Speaker 1: child bearing age.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Well know and that and that is
Speaker 2: important well to a certain extent. I can see where
Speaker 2: some of those records and some of that information is necessary,
Speaker 2: and there ought to be a way of having a
Speaker 2: specific number or a specific identifier that is not tied
Speaker 2: to a particular individual. And I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: some sort of a clearinghouse. When you go in, you're
Speaker 2: randomly assigned a number. That number goes to somebody else
Speaker 2: who isn't connected with you know, uh, you know, you
Speaker 2: got an intermediary, You got a point A, the patient,
Speaker 2: and then point C where this information is gathered, and
Speaker 2: a clearinghouse point B where the individual act or the
Speaker 2: individual person's name is eliminated from that. Because that's where
Speaker 2: we get into people of child bearing age. How many miscarriages.
Speaker 2: How many you know, what health factors there are when
Speaker 2: we start hearing about the infant mortality rate, when we
Speaker 2: start hearing about well them and in some cases that
Speaker 2: the first time they do anything in terms of going
Speaker 2: to see a doctor is right around the time when
Speaker 2: they are especially if they're pregnant, that they don't go
Speaker 2: until the seventh month. And I just learned from a
Speaker 2: group that I'm associated with or familiar with that's a
Speaker 2: called care net and who talks about you know, stepping
Speaker 2: in and helping people that when they're in that crisis
Speaker 2: to know that there's other options that they said the
Speaker 2: insurance laws kick in to where you are actually covered for.
Speaker 3: That's that's stupid.
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're trying to make sure that the
Speaker 2: infant mortality rate is lower, we want to make sure
Speaker 2: that babies are a birth of healthy, the mothers are healthy.
Speaker 2: That should all begin at day one and not at
Speaker 2: the seventh months. So those kinds of things. So, you know,
Speaker 2: the CDC used to come out with all these statistics about, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, how many kids drown in a five gallon
Speaker 2: bucket because you know, toddlers, because they're so top heavy,
Speaker 2: they fall in that and drown and to get all
Speaker 2: this facts and information so that we are more informed,
Speaker 2: I think is good. But where you don't protect the
Speaker 2: privacy rights, that's where we have a problem. And we
Speaker 2: need to take a break here real quick. So my
Speaker 2: guest is Anne Dickerson. I appreciate you spending time with us,
Speaker 2: and we carry this through the break and Dickerson co
Speaker 2: founder and lead organizer for Individual Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin
Speaker 2: Gordon in for Brian Thomas fifty five KR see the
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Speaker 2: And I know that you've talked to some of your
Speaker 2: friends and you say, how dare you go on with
Speaker 2: that rabid right wing conservative nut job? And I know
Speaker 2: my people are saying the same thing. So we've got
Speaker 2: to cater a little bit to their needs because obviously,
Speaker 2: if we're agreeing on anything, they're gonna say, what the
Speaker 2: hell did you go on there for in the first place.
Speaker 1: So that's so funny. Actually, everybody in my circles, like
Speaker 1: teering me on, saying, go, you know, just it wasn't good,
Speaker 1: I promise you, but it was more like, you know not.
Speaker 1: Not everybody is open to these kinds of conversations. So
Speaker 1: if you want to get into it, pick a topic
Speaker 1: and let's run with it.
Speaker 3: And it's up to you. You're the guest. You're the guest.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Okay, we gotta give we gotta give you.
Speaker 3: We got to give your people and my people some
Speaker 3: red meat here, Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm gonna I'll jump into probably the one
Speaker 1: of the reddest meat areas that we have right now,
Speaker 1: because it's so hot in the news, which is what's
Speaker 1: going on with these immigration cases okay, and people not
Speaker 1: receiving due process, which violates the fifth and the fourteenth Amendments.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: You know, so it was so important to our founding
Speaker 1: fathers that they put habeas corpus write an article one.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm real curious as to this this
Speaker 1: fever pitch that we've gotten to on immigration, because in fact,
Speaker 1: we are all products of immigration, right unless you have
Speaker 1: indigenous blood running through your veins of the native people
Speaker 1: that were here before we ever, you know, took over
Speaker 1: this land. How can you look back through history and
Speaker 1: complain about something that is very much a part of
Speaker 1: the American dream. I mean when I grew up, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm fifty seven, when I grew up, I grew
Speaker 1: up with the understanding that, you know, we had this
Speaker 1: self aggrandized belief that everybody comes to the United States
Speaker 1: because this is where you have freedom, and this is
Speaker 1: where anybody can become anything they want to be, and
Speaker 1: they can work themselves up. And now it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: not only are we wanting to push everybody out, we're
Speaker 1: wanting to lock ourselves in. All right, let's unpas.
Speaker 3: Let's unpack that for a moment.
Speaker 2: Okay, you do agree that the reason that you have
Speaker 2: a country is you have a country because of of
Speaker 2: borders and there is a certain process by which people
Speaker 2: are supposed to enter a particular country. I don't care
Speaker 2: what it is in terms of the legal way versus.
Speaker 3: The illegal way way correct? Correct, all right?
Speaker 2: And if there's a flawed immigration system that needs to
Speaker 2: be worked on and that needs to be fixed, but
Speaker 2: you can't tell me that a reasonable person would think
Speaker 2: that over the last previous four years that having millions
Speaker 2: of people flooding across our border in what I would
Speaker 2: refer to as an invasion. How many people in the
Speaker 2: military got kicked out because they wouldn't take the job.
Speaker 2: How many people lost their job because they wouldn't take
Speaker 2: the job. And yet we have millions of people in
Speaker 2: this country. We don't know who they are. They weren't vetted,
Speaker 2: we don't have a proper identification for them, and they're
Speaker 2: not facts. We don't know what healthcare they have, and
Speaker 2: they're roaming our country. How do we consider ourselves a
Speaker 2: country if we are going to allow ourselves, quite honestly,
Speaker 2: in my term, to be invaded, I.
Speaker 1: Would say that the numbers that you're using are grossly inmpleted.
Speaker 1: Number one, number two, I would say that the vast
Speaker 1: majority of immigrants have been maligned with these accusations of
Speaker 1: the kinds of people that they are. In fact, you know,
Speaker 1: undocumented people in this country. The most recent statistic I
Speaker 1: could find, you know, came from twenty twenty to put
Speaker 1: ninety six point seven billion dollars worth of taxes into
Speaker 1: the federal, state and local system.
Speaker 2: You know, now, what are the numbers, what are the
Speaker 2: numbers that are pulled out of that system. Because you
Speaker 2: hear the numbers of sixty billion dollar deficit in the
Speaker 2: City of New York and the billions of dollars in
Speaker 2: California that are spent on housing illegal immigrants and putting
Speaker 2: them up in hotels and so on.
Speaker 3: How do you offset that? What is the corresponding number?
Speaker 1: So I don't know what you're looking for there, because.
Speaker 3: Well, you've got it.
Speaker 2: You got you've got you've got people that put into
Speaker 2: the system and you have people that take out of
Speaker 2: the system. So if you're saying that of the immigrants
Speaker 2: in this country, they put in ninety six billion dollars,
Speaker 2: well what is the immigrant population taking out the form
Speaker 2: of medical tuition, home and assistance from the Social Security
Speaker 2: system or whatever network there is out there.
Speaker 1: See, but they're here's the thing. Undocumented individuals don't have
Speaker 1: Social Security numbers. They can't get a Social Security number.
Speaker 1: What they get in order to file taxes is a
Speaker 1: tax identification number. In fact, and everyday citizen can get
Speaker 1: a tax identification number and not use their sois Security
Speaker 1: number to file their taxes. So you know that's I
Speaker 1: think what you're what you're quoting is off in terms
Speaker 1: of that. I'll use the common day, everyday term waste
Speaker 1: broad and abuse because you know, Medicaid, Medicare, food stamps,
Speaker 1: all of those social safety nets programs that you're talking
Speaker 1: about and notorious really have very low rate of fraud.
Speaker 1: You know. Compare compare nine minutes, Yes, compare it to
Speaker 1: the one area in the government that OS is not
Speaker 1: touched yet, which is the Pentagon and the military industrial complex.
Speaker 4: Which has sailed its last seven audits, the one.
Speaker 1: Area of the government that we spend the most amount
Speaker 1: of money on and they haven't touched it.
Speaker 4: And were the smallest chunks of the pie.
Speaker 2: My guest, there's Anne Dickerson, co founder and the organizer
Speaker 2: of Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm going to go off script here.
Speaker 2: We were scheduled to the bottom of the hour. I'm
Speaker 2: going to carry you over past the news and we'll
Speaker 2: get into this even more. But uh again, before we go,
Speaker 2: I just want to I want to, you know, make
Speaker 2: the mention of the fact that yes, there is waste,
Speaker 2: fraud and abuse in the military industrial complex that has
Speaker 2: been talked about, and quite honestly, there isn't a single agency.
Speaker 2: And again people are probably tired of hearing me say this,
Speaker 2: but you probably not heard it. I am a recovering accountant,
Speaker 2: So when you talk about there is not an agency,
Speaker 2: there is not a division of the federal government that
Speaker 2: could pass an audit, including the irs, and that to
Speaker 2: me is just astounding and criminal in my position. So anyway,
Speaker 2: we'll pick this up on the other side of the break.
Speaker 2: My guest again and Dickerson, co founder, lead organizer, well Lord,
Speaker 2: lead organizer for Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon in
Speaker 2: for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC, the talk station.
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Speaker 2: Seven thirty one in the morning. Kevin Gordon in for
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, fifty five k SEE the talk station, speaking
Speaker 2: with Ann Dickerson. She is co founder and lead lead
Speaker 2: organizer for Indivisible Northern Kentucky. And thank you so much
Speaker 2: for hanging with us through the break. Certainly appreciate it.
Speaker 2: So we were talking about doze and going in and
Speaker 2: looking at these different organiz different size of the government.
Speaker 2: I mean you you mentioned you no, you sat in
Speaker 2: conversation with Rand Paul. You're probably familiar with Ran Paul's
Speaker 2: Festivust report on an annual basis where he goes through
Speaker 2: different departments of the government talks about waste, fraud and
Speaker 2: abuse and some of these areas that probably should be cut.
Speaker 2: And I think the last one that he did there
Speaker 2: was about one point was at one point one trillion
Speaker 2: dollars in cuts that could be done that nobody would
Speaker 2: even miss because some of this waste is there you
Speaker 2: gotta I mean, you mentioned the fact that even the
Speaker 2: I mentioned the fact that even they're in the department
Speaker 2: of the government. I don't care what department, cabinet members
Speaker 2: or whatever. I mean, cabinet departments cannot pass an audit.
Speaker 2: So number one, we as taxpayers ought to be demanding
Speaker 2: that and to waste fraud and abuse. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you don't file your tax returns properly, if you tell
Speaker 2: the IRS, I can't pass an audit and just go
Speaker 2: away leave me alone.
Speaker 3: That ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2: So I think, oh yeah, I wish we as taxpayers
Speaker 2: could demand that of our government, and I think we
Speaker 2: could probably agree on that.
Speaker 3: Now we'll probably dis and.
Speaker 5: I will and I will tell you this as well,
Speaker 5: there is no one on any spectrum, regardless of party
Speaker 5: position or what have you, there is no one that
Speaker 5: thinks that making government more efficient less wasteful is a
Speaker 5: bad pity.
Speaker 1: The bigger problem is the process right now that it's
Speaker 1: that things are happening as opposed to actually getting rid
Speaker 1: of waste, bard and abuse. However, if you look at
Speaker 1: the first quarter numbers that came out compared to last year,
Speaker 1: you will find that the money that was spent in
Speaker 1: the same time period last year under different administration to now,
Speaker 1: while we've fired or laid off, I had lost count
Speaker 1: of the number of federal workers shut down buildings which
Speaker 1: shuts down you know, all the all the management, all
Speaker 1: the money that goes into managing a building and keeping
Speaker 1: it open and running and viable for people to use.
Speaker 1: We've spent one hundred and eighty four billion more dollars
Speaker 1: this year than last year in the same time period.
Speaker 4: Okay, so how are we How are we eliminating waste,
Speaker 4: broaden abuse?
Speaker 1: If we're spending more money and yet we have left
Speaker 1: things that we're spending money on by already shutting all
Speaker 1: these things down and getting rid of all these.
Speaker 2: People, then the question could be come to you? Is
Speaker 2: why all the protests? Then? You know, because if nothing
Speaker 2: has changed, if it was okay last year, what is the.
Speaker 3: Big deal now? Now?
Speaker 1: I will agree, Come on, you're being oversimplified and you
Speaker 1: about that. I've been I've been at these protests where
Speaker 1: I mean people. You know, I'm going to tell you
Speaker 1: one story in particular, a woman come up to me crummy,
Speaker 1: I mean, tears streaming down her face. Had never met her,
Speaker 1: never seen her before anything else. And what it happened
Speaker 1: was we were actually out in front of Thomas Mancy's
Speaker 1: office on Buttermill Pike and her husband had picked up
Speaker 1: their child from school, was taking their child to an
Speaker 1: her school activity, and he called her at home and said, honey,
Speaker 1: they're out on Buttermilk Pike. And she immediately threw a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff in her car and drove up to
Speaker 1: meet us. And you know, because I was back and
Speaker 1: forth between people and everything, I had to kind of
Speaker 1: wait till the end of the protest to specifically go
Speaker 1: up to her. Once I you know, she joined us,
Speaker 1: I was like, are you okay, And once she was yes,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm just this is so amazing, And I
Speaker 1: was doing all my other stuff. I wanted to find
Speaker 1: out what her story was, and here come to find
Speaker 1: out she's a federal worker who lost her job, you know,
Speaker 1: and was so moved that people were concerned enough to
Speaker 1: be out there.
Speaker 3: Did she get the buy out?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't ask about that. All I
Speaker 1: know is that she said that, you know, she lost
Speaker 1: her job.
Speaker 2: All right, we got you know, as our producer said,
Speaker 2: we were on a timeline here. So coming up, we'll
Speaker 2: talk a little bit more about this and again talk
Speaker 2: more about this issue. My guest is Anne Dickerson, co founder,
Speaker 2: lead organized lead organ Why can't I say that right?
Speaker 2: Lead organized lead organizer for Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin
Speaker 2: Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRS, the talk
Speaker 2: station fifty five KRC, the talk station Spring is here,
Speaker 2: and that means why station you continue in our conversation
Speaker 2: with Anne Dickerson, co founder and lead organizer for Indivisible
Speaker 2: Northern Kentucky. Before the break, we talked about federal layoffs.
Speaker 2: You talked about this person that showed up one of
Speaker 2: the protests, and it was about a month and a
Speaker 2: half ago. At was it Rand Paul's office, I believe, okay,
Speaker 2: and this federal worker came up and was in tears
Speaker 2: that she had lost her job. Now, on a weekly basis,
Speaker 2: there is on Thursday, there is the initial job claims
Speaker 2: report that comes out, the unemployment numbers from the Bureau
Speaker 2: of Labor Statistics and whatever. And they keep saying week
Speaker 2: after week after week that the layoffs in the federal
Speaker 2: government aren't starting to show up in these numbers yet.
Speaker 2: Number One, because in a lot of instances, if they
Speaker 2: do have that eight month severance package, they are still
Speaker 2: technically employed. They're getting a check on a periodic, you know,
Speaker 2: a normal paycheck until the eight months, which gives them
Speaker 2: plenty of time to go out and find another bit
Speaker 2: of employment. I've heard stories about people that are up
Speaker 2: at retirement age and they said, oh man, what a
Speaker 2: gift from heaven. I was getting ready to retire and
Speaker 2: I get this buyout package. It gives me a paycheck
Speaker 2: for the next eight months, and how great is that?
Speaker 3: So we have that, and so the federal lager.
Speaker 1: Have you got to anybody that's actually started receiving it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have or not, but that
Speaker 2: if they have not been receiving it, then they would
Speaker 2: qualify for filing for unemployment, and according to the numbers,
Speaker 2: that isn't showing up yet. Now I know that some
Speaker 2: of the federal workers, I don't know if all of
Speaker 2: them are in some sort of a separate system that
Speaker 2: it handles their unemployment. And the numbers from that are
Speaker 2: that on a weekly basis, that's gone. I think one
Speaker 2: week it went up five hundred and thirty four versus
Speaker 2: another week where it was up two hundreds.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a question that again, if we didn't
Speaker 2: have spoon fed regurgitators in the mainstream media, but people
Speaker 2: that would actually go out and do investigative news, we
Speaker 2: would know these things instead of you and I having
Speaker 2: to dig up these numbers ourselves.
Speaker 1: Now I agree with you on that as well. I
Speaker 1: love independent media.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we only got about three minutes left here,
Speaker 2: so I want to, you know, make sure that I
Speaker 2: want to say.
Speaker 1: I do want to say too. You know, even though
Speaker 1: we have you know, met in these offices, we have
Speaker 1: protested in front of these offices and other places. I
Speaker 1: do like to give credit where credit is due, and
Speaker 1: tech did the person that connected US after ran Paull's
Speaker 1: speech on the floor where he stood up against the tariffs,
Speaker 1: and he stood up against the breakdown of the three
Speaker 1: coequal branches of government, stating also that he did not
Speaker 1: want to live in a place that was governed by
Speaker 1: an emergency rule. And I think this is a very
Speaker 1: scary time for people because of all the chaos, because
Speaker 1: there was no plan. I mean, if I owned, if
Speaker 1: I was going to take over a business, of course,
Speaker 1: of course you would want to, you know, check each department,
Speaker 1: see who you were going to keep, who you were
Speaker 1: going to keep, you know, try to find out where
Speaker 1: the areas are that you could save money, where you
Speaker 1: could make things efficient, so on and so forth. But
Speaker 1: you don't take a sledgehammer to it with no plan.
Speaker 1: And then you know, you fire people, get tired back,
Speaker 1: then you buy ore people again, you know, and the
Speaker 1: terriffs on again, off again, on again, off again. I
Speaker 1: don't even want to talk to my money manager I
Speaker 1: because it's going to put me in a state of
Speaker 1: anxiety that I may never come out of.
Speaker 2: I mean, I will finish up with this. I'll finish
Speaker 2: up with this. And that you can go through corporate
Speaker 2: corporation after corporation. After corporation, you can go through the
Speaker 2: United Auto Workers, you can go through the people that
Speaker 2: were terminated on the Keystone XL pipeline. You can talk
Speaker 2: to people that got shown that will actually offer of
Speaker 2: a buyout from Cincinnati Bell when they merged and transferred
Speaker 2: and whatever. You see all these different corporations, and there's
Speaker 2: always that several people I know some that were like,
Speaker 2: you know, eight weeks shy of that, fifteen years or whatever,
Speaker 2: so they're fully vested or whatever. And that happens in
Speaker 2: corporate business all the time, and it's not right there.
Speaker 2: But nobody's protest and whining I don't mean whining, but
Speaker 2: protesting about.
Speaker 1: That you do, but you don't want to say that.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, again, you know these are kind of
Speaker 2: the terms that you know people will understand and so on.
Speaker 2: But again I rail at you know, the fact that
Speaker 2: you know, you go to some of these and they've
Speaker 2: they've gone through these offices in Washington and even in
Speaker 2: corporate America itself. You go into how many people are
Speaker 2: working from home? And I don't nobody's going to convince
Speaker 2: me that people that there are some, but there are
Speaker 2: not everybody that's more productive working at home than working
Speaker 2: in an office. And the fact that you go into
Speaker 2: some of these federal buildings and six percent of the
Speaker 2: people are there, but if you discount all the maintenance
Speaker 2: people and everything, you're down to a three percent people
Speaker 2: that are actually working there.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, doctors have to go into the office, nurses
Speaker 2: have to go into the office, all the you know,
Speaker 2: the police and fire have to go into their office.
Speaker 2: I think the least taxpayers can do and workers can
Speaker 2: do is go into their office and.
Speaker 3: Do the job that they were hired to do. So again, uh, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if we solve the world's issues here, but
Speaker 2: I would certainly like to talk to you a little
Speaker 2: bit more at some.
Speaker 3: Point in time, and at any time.
Speaker 2: I think if we can eliminate the idea that everybody
Speaker 2: on my side is a Nazi, that the fact that
Speaker 2: we should be, you know, taking and torching Tesla dealerships
Speaker 2: and calling for the assassination of Elon Mosk or Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: you gotta admit that's going a lot too far.
Speaker 4: So well, I.
Speaker 1: Do not advocate for violence in any way, shape or
Speaker 1: form when it comes to any of this. The same
Speaker 1: way that I was, you know, the same way that
Speaker 1: I was shocked when you know, uh people my kent
Speaker 1: and you know, and now you if I have not
Speaker 1: heard anything about what you just mentioned as far as
Speaker 1: calling for people to be killed, I would never agree
Speaker 1: with that, no matter who it was or what the
Speaker 1: circumstance was. I don't agree with that in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form. What we do is protests. Everything we
Speaker 1: do is well planned out. Everybody knows the rules, you know,
Speaker 1: knows the right way to behave in public settings. I'm
Speaker 1: a real stickler for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: That's why we have a first. That's why we have
Speaker 3: the first.
Speaker 1: It is agreed and we need to keep it instead
Speaker 1: of you know, now, we've got measures even here, hee.
Speaker 1: Just this past session they passed a bill limiting that.
Speaker 1: You know, they're trying to limit protests. They're trying to
Speaker 1: limit people's ability to exercise free speech.
Speaker 2: Obviously, you've never gone to a city council meeting or
Speaker 2: a county commissioner meeting in any of the counties and
Speaker 2: you try to talk about some issues there. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: is now in Campbell County, the People's Republic of Campbell County,
Speaker 2: there is a Kevin Gordon rule where you're only allowed
Speaker 2: to speak for two minutes.
Speaker 3: So I'm proud of that.
Speaker 2: So anyway, and it's been interesting, and we've got to
Speaker 2: talk some more, and we're really late for a break,
Speaker 2: and I certainly appreciate your time, and sure we'll be
Speaker 2: in touch. And Dickerson, co founder and lead organizer for
Speaker 2: Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas,
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