WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:03.680 I'm right. 2 00:00:11.560 --> 00:00:14.480 Six minutes after seven o'clock Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, 3 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:17.039 fifty five krs the Talk station. If you check my 4 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:20.079 Facebook page, you'll know that I have in this segment 5 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:25.160 and Dickerson. She is the co founder and lead organizer 6 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:30.879 for Indivisible of Northern Kentucky. Indivisible and welcome to the program. 7 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:34.240 Thank you, good morning, good morning. 8 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:37.000 I want to tell everybody that your name was given 9 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:40.799 to me by Rand Paul's field rep. I don't know 10 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:43.159 if I should say his name, but anyway, you have 11 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:46.520 contacted him, and he suggested that maybe I talk to 12 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:49.000 you to find out, you know, where you guys are 13 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.600 coming from, what's on your mind. And we see these 14 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:55.840 Indivisible popped up in the news all the time nationwide, 15 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:58.520 and figured, well, what the heck, I'll find out though, 16 00:00:58.600 --> 00:00:59.600 what this is all about? 17 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:02.399 Uh kind of man, I don't know, Mix. 18 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:03.880 It up a little bit and see where you're coming 19 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:05.120 from and where I'm coming from. 20 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:06.760 So here we go. 21 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:11.719 We talked about it, we talked, we talked about a 22 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:13.760 couple of topics off air when we were setting up 23 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:15.840 the interview, and uh, you know, we were talking about 24 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:22.280 constitutional crisis. King chaos, economy, tariffs, hands off and so on. So, uh, 25 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:25.799 I'll let you start and you tell me what you 26 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:29.159 want to what is Uh I'm going to use Jen 27 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.719 Saki's line because I absolutely hate it. But what is 28 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:34.439 top of mind for you? 29 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:41.480 Oh? My goodness. First off, the person that you're talking 30 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:46.319 about absolutely love. I could sit and talk to him 31 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:50.120 for hours and hours. It's just we you know, a 32 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:53.079 really good guy, get along very well as they had 33 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:59.799 a very respectful relationship for years. Uh huh. So it 34 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:03.560 was his suggestion to me to do this, not the 35 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:06.400 other way around. I want to make that clear. And 36 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:08.680 he just as he said, would you ever do something 37 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:12.039 like that? And I said, sure, right, I will talk to. 38 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:16.319 Anyone didn't contact me, so. 39 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:23.719 Well, it's his you know. I think we have to 40 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:27.960 be open to these conversations. I think that you know, 41 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:33.599 in the history of politics anywhere, and if you're not 42 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:37.240 talking to people, if you're not you know, able to 43 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:42.479 have some kind of respectful dialogue, that's when everything breaks 44 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.520 down and you have just this animosity, this hatred, this 45 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:51.879 exactly just I think has gotten completely out of control. 46 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:56.280 I mean, people have cut off family members and lifelong 47 00:02:56.439 --> 00:03:00.479 friends and you know, things of that nature. 48 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:04.280 It does make your Christmas card list a lot shorter, 49 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:08.680 so it really postage now. 50 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:11.319 Well in travel too, you know, you cut down a 51 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:16.360 lot of travel. I hate it for the impact emotionally 52 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:20.199 the total has on a lot of people. I also 53 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:25.479 understand it because it can be very hurtful. But you know, 54 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.479 like I said, if some if you and I can 55 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.560 sit down and have a conversation, or if I can 56 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.439 sit down with you know, I've been in meetings in 57 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:37.919 Mitch McConnell's office, in Ran Paul's office, in Thomas Mancy's office. 58 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.879 It's over the course of since from twenty seventeen until now. 59 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.919 I'm always open to those conversations to see, you know, 60 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:49.439 is there a common ground we can reach, Is there 61 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:54.840 is there a middle option where both parties can you know, 62 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:58.319 feel good. I don't believe we'll ever get there on everything, 63 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.840 but that doesn't mean there isn't there. Yeah, that doesn't 64 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:06.360 mean there isn't a snooting point, right, So I would 65 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.639 say to you, would you know when if you went 66 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:13.360 to any of the hands off protests that were across 67 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:18.839 the country, they were in last count that I saw, 68 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:23.160 I forget how many hundreds there were, but there were 69 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:28.800 protests in every single state. Their estimates are anywhere from 70 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:32.040 three and a half to five million people out in 71 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:37.160 the streets at these various events. And you know it, 72 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:41.079 the reason it was so generalized, this hands off was 73 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:45.079 because everybody has a different thing that's their priority, right 74 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:49.319 based on their your own life, your needs, whatever is 75 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:54.279 going on. And so you would see signs about, you know, 76 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:58.240 hands off my social security, hands off my healthcare, hands 77 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:04.199 off my education, my books, and then there were all 78 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:08.879 there's always going to be called about, you know, following 79 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:13.959 the constitution and hands off our traditional democratic you know, 80 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:18.480 democratic republic institutions that have been around for you know, 81 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.839 forever a number so I think all of these issues, 82 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:28.319 depending on jud I'm going to determine what's their number 83 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:28.839 one issue. 84 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:32.279 We know Ann Dickerson, who is the co founder and 85 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:38.920 lead organizer for Individual Northern Kentucky. You know, when you 86 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:44.560 talk about hands off social security, hands off Medicare, hands 87 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.759 off healthcare, hands off, you know, a lot of that 88 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:54.519 can be used by conservatives such as myself, to say 89 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:58.279 I want your hands off my social security. In terms 90 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:01.759 of taxing it, I don't think that that should count 91 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:05.360 in terms of my income if I choose to earn 92 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:07.439 any other income once. 93 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:08.879 I passed the age of sixty five. 94 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:12.720 I don't think the federal come on, I don't think 95 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.600 the federal government should be messing around. 96 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.920 With our our medical information. 97 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:21.000 And the fact that you know this push years ago 98 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.399 to put everything online. I don't know if you were 99 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:26.600 listening in the previous half hour, but Dave Hatter, who 100 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.439 is a cybersecurity expert, talks about how vulnerable all. 101 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:31.319 These things are. 102 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:34.439 So you go and you have you know, it's great 103 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:36.920 that you can have your medical records and you can 104 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:39.399 go to one doctor and then they can pull up 105 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:43.519 your medical records through whatever service they have. But anytime 106 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:47.879 you're transmitting that stuff, there are vulnerabilities and somebody getting 107 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:50.600 a hold of your medical records. I'm not sure that 108 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:54.000 everything that you would want me to know, or would 109 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:57.319 I want you to know what doctors I've seen for 110 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.199 what reason, what medications I'm on, or any of that 111 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.519 sort of stuff which can be used, as you've seen 112 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:06.399 in the past, for other reasons. So when you're talking 113 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:08.720 about hands off, it goes both ways. 114 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.680 So, oh, I agree with you, but I would I 115 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:17.800 would say that the specific issues that you're talking about. 116 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.800 You know, anybody that I know personally would probably agree 117 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:26.439 with you that on that aspect of things. You know, 118 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:31.360 I don't believe that Social Security should be taxed, and 119 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:36.439 I don't believe our medical records should be privy to anyone. 120 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:40.040 There's a reason that we have hippo laws and they 121 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:41.399 need to be maintained. 122 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:46.279 But you also have you know this, you know, nailed. 123 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.839 Down even further. You have this issue across the country 124 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:53.519 with laws being written and attempted to be passed to 125 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:58.399 get the medical records specifically for women of child bearing 126 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:02.160 age that go to gynecologist and wanting to know. 127 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:07.480 Issue on that issue. Okay, And I know where you're 128 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.199 heading with that. I'm sure having to do with a 129 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:11.639 pro choice and that. 130 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:15.199 But no, I really wasn't. I was just trying to 131 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:19.600 say within what you were saying. You know, it can't 132 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:24.519 be so many of these issues. You know, when I 133 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:27.759 was grown up, there's a common phrase about because this 134 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:30.639 is such a heavily German Catholic area, there was a 135 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:33.600 there was a common phrase of somebody being a cafeteria 136 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:36.840 Catholic where they would pick and choose as oppose to 137 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:40.759 completely falling a faith, and I feel like that's a 138 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:44.320 lot of what's happening now as well. You know, whether 139 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:47.840 you're talking about the Constitution, whether you're talking about the 140 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:52.320 overreach that that you mentioned with healthcare. You know, we 141 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:55.440 can't it's either all or nothing on these things. We 142 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:59.360 can't just pick and choose. While everybody can have privacy 143 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:01.559 for their healthcare, but not if you're a woman of 144 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:02.360 child bearing age. 145 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:06.080 Wait a minute, Well know and that and that is 146 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:08.840 important well to a certain extent. I can see where 147 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:12.759 some of those records and some of that information is necessary, 148 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:15.399 and there ought to be a way of having a 149 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:20.120 specific number or a specific identifier that is not tied 150 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:23.799 to a particular individual. And I don't know if it's 151 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:25.799 some sort of a clearinghouse. When you go in, you're 152 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:29.399 randomly assigned a number. That number goes to somebody else 153 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.159 who isn't connected with you know, uh, you know, you 154 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:35.879 got an intermediary, You got a point A, the patient, 155 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:38.960 and then point C where this information is gathered, and 156 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:42.919 a clearinghouse point B where the individual act or the 157 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:47.000 individual person's name is eliminated from that. Because that's where 158 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.840 we get into people of child bearing age. How many miscarriages. 159 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:55.120 How many you know, what health factors there are when 160 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:58.440 we start hearing about the infant mortality rate, when we 161 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.600 start hearing about well them and in some cases that 162 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:04.639 the first time they do anything in terms of going 163 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.679 to see a doctor is right around the time when 164 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:12.080 they are especially if they're pregnant, that they don't go 165 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:14.320 until the seventh month. And I just learned from a 166 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.720 group that I'm associated with or familiar with that's a 167 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:23.320 called care net and who talks about you know, stepping 168 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:26.240 in and helping people that when they're in that crisis 169 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.639 to know that there's other options that they said the 170 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.840 insurance laws kick in to where you are actually covered for. 171 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:33.639 That's that's stupid. 172 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:35.879 I mean, if we're trying to make sure that the 173 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:38.639 infant mortality rate is lower, we want to make sure 174 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:42.799 that babies are a birth of healthy, the mothers are healthy. 175 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:45.399 That should all begin at day one and not at 176 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:49.240 the seventh months. So those kinds of things. So, you know, 177 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.679 the CDC used to come out with all these statistics about, oh, 178 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.399 you know, how many kids drown in a five gallon 179 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:59.360 bucket because you know, toddlers, because they're so top heavy, 180 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:02.120 they fall in that and drown and to get all 181 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:05.840 this facts and information so that we are more informed, 182 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.720 I think is good. But where you don't protect the 183 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:12.039 privacy rights, that's where we have a problem. And we 184 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:14.440 need to take a break here real quick. So my 185 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:17.159 guest is Anne Dickerson. I appreciate you spending time with us, 186 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:19.639 and we carry this through the break and Dickerson co 187 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:24.159 founder and lead organizer for Individual Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin 188 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:27.080 Gordon in for Brian Thomas fifty five KR see the 189 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:31.320 talk station fifty five the talk station. 190 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:40.039 Coming up on seven to twenty in the morning. 191 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.879 Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRS the 192 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:47.399 talk station and what appropriate bumper music for this segment. 193 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:50.320 And I know that you've talked to some of your 194 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:53.080 friends and you say, how dare you go on with 195 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:57.559 that rabid right wing conservative nut job? And I know 196 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:01.480 my people are saying the same thing. So we've got 197 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.679 to cater a little bit to their needs because obviously, 198 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:07.360 if we're agreeing on anything, they're gonna say, what the 199 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:09.559 hell did you go on there for in the first place. 200 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:15.559 So that's so funny. Actually, everybody in my circles, like 201 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:21.360 teering me on, saying, go, you know, just it wasn't good, 202 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:25.000 I promise you, but it was more like, you know not. 203 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:29.200 Not everybody is open to these kinds of conversations. So 204 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:31.080 if you want to get into it, pick a topic 205 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:32.080 and let's run with it. 206 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:34.960 And it's up to you. You're the guest. You're the guest. 207 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:38.080 Okay, all right, Okay, we gotta give we gotta give you. 208 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:40.159 We got to give your people and my people some 209 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:41.559 red meat here, Okay. 210 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:44.879 Okay, So I'm gonna I'll jump into probably the one 211 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.559 of the reddest meat areas that we have right now, 212 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:51.080 because it's so hot in the news, which is what's 213 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:54.639 going on with these immigration cases okay, and people not 214 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:59.039 receiving due process, which violates the fifth and the fourteenth Amendments. 215 00:12:59.080 --> 00:12:59.519 Okay. 216 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.639 You know, so it was so important to our founding 217 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.559 fathers that they put habeas corpus write an article one. 218 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:15.200 So you know, I'm real curious as to this this 219 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:21.919 fever pitch that we've gotten to on immigration, because in fact, 220 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:25.919 we are all products of immigration, right unless you have 221 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:31.120 indigenous blood running through your veins of the native people 222 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:34.799 that were here before we ever, you know, took over 223 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.120 this land. How can you look back through history and 224 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.279 complain about something that is very much a part of 225 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:44.759 the American dream. I mean when I grew up, you know, 226 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.279 and I'm fifty seven, when I grew up, I grew 227 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:51.919 up with the understanding that, you know, we had this 228 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:56.759 self aggrandized belief that everybody comes to the United States 229 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:59.840 because this is where you have freedom, and this is 230 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:02.879 where anybody can become anything they want to be, and 231 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:06.440 they can work themselves up. And now it's like, you know, 232 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.279 not only are we wanting to push everybody out, we're 233 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:16.799 wanting to lock ourselves in. All right, let's unpas. 234 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:16.840 Let's unpack that for a moment. 235 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.879 Okay, you do agree that the reason that you have 236 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:23.279 a country is you have a country because of of 237 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:27.759 borders and there is a certain process by which people 238 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:30.360 are supposed to enter a particular country. I don't care 239 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.519 what it is in terms of the legal way versus. 240 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.080 The illegal way way correct? Correct, all right? 241 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:40.559 And if there's a flawed immigration system that needs to 242 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:43.399 be worked on and that needs to be fixed, but 243 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:47.720 you can't tell me that a reasonable person would think 244 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:51.200 that over the last previous four years that having millions 245 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:54.679 of people flooding across our border in what I would 246 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:58.279 refer to as an invasion. How many people in the 247 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.320 military got kicked out because they wouldn't take the job. 248 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.399 How many people lost their job because they wouldn't take 249 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:06.919 the job. And yet we have millions of people in 250 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:10.320 this country. We don't know who they are. They weren't vetted, 251 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:14.559 we don't have a proper identification for them, and they're 252 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:18.480 not facts. We don't know what healthcare they have, and 253 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:23.039 they're roaming our country. How do we consider ourselves a 254 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:26.480 country if we are going to allow ourselves, quite honestly, 255 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:31.279 in my term, to be invaded, I. 256 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:35.639 Would say that the numbers that you're using are grossly inmpleted. 257 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:39.480 Number one, number two, I would say that the vast 258 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:48.159 majority of immigrants have been maligned with these accusations of 259 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.919 the kinds of people that they are. In fact, you know, 260 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:57.080 undocumented people in this country. The most recent statistic I 261 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:02.120 could find, you know, came from twenty twenty to put 262 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:07.559 ninety six point seven billion dollars worth of taxes into 263 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:09.799 the federal, state and local system. 264 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.759 You know, now, what are the numbers, what are the 265 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:16.000 numbers that are pulled out of that system. Because you 266 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:19.799 hear the numbers of sixty billion dollar deficit in the 267 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:22.559 City of New York and the billions of dollars in 268 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:27.639 California that are spent on housing illegal immigrants and putting 269 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:29.399 them up in hotels and so on. 270 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:32.720 How do you offset that? What is the corresponding number? 271 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:43.399 So I don't know what you're looking for there, because. 272 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:44.360 Well, you've got it. 273 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.519 You got you've got you've got people that put into 274 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:49.720 the system and you have people that take out of 275 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.320 the system. So if you're saying that of the immigrants 276 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:56.639 in this country, they put in ninety six billion dollars, 277 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.440 well what is the immigrant population taking out the form 278 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:06.799 of medical tuition, home and assistance from the Social Security 279 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.720 system or whatever network there is out there. 280 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:16.440 See, but they're here's the thing. Undocumented individuals don't have 281 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:19.240 Social Security numbers. They can't get a Social Security number. 282 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:24.279 What they get in order to file taxes is a 283 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:30.079 tax identification number. In fact, and everyday citizen can get 284 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.839 a tax identification number and not use their sois Security 285 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:39.680 number to file their taxes. So you know that's I 286 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:43.160 think what you're what you're quoting is off in terms 287 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:47.759 of that. I'll use the common day, everyday term waste 288 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:58.000 broad and abuse because you know, Medicaid, Medicare, food stamps, 289 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:01.440 all of those social safety nets programs that you're talking 290 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:07.079 about and notorious really have very low rate of fraud. 291 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:12.880 You know. Compare compare nine minutes, Yes, compare it to 292 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:16.279 the one area in the government that OS is not 293 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:21.799 touched yet, which is the Pentagon and the military industrial complex. 294 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:28.119 Which has sailed its last seven audits, the one. 295 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:31.440 Area of the government that we spend the most amount 296 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:33.839 of money on and they haven't touched it. 297 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:36.920 And were the smallest chunks of the pie. 298 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.440 My guest, there's Anne Dickerson, co founder and the organizer 299 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:45.000 of Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm going to go off script here. 300 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:47.200 We were scheduled to the bottom of the hour. I'm 301 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:49.720 going to carry you over past the news and we'll 302 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:53.400 get into this even more. But uh again, before we go, 303 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:55.119 I just want to I want to, you know, make 304 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:58.720 the mention of the fact that yes, there is waste, 305 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:02.680 fraud and abuse in the military industrial complex that has 306 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:08.319 been talked about, and quite honestly, there isn't a single agency. 307 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:11.039 And again people are probably tired of hearing me say this, 308 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:14.680 but you probably not heard it. I am a recovering accountant, 309 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:21.319 So when you talk about there is not an agency, 310 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:24.920 there is not a division of the federal government that 311 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:29.119 could pass an audit, including the irs, and that to 312 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:36.839 me is just astounding and criminal in my position. So anyway, 313 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:38.559 we'll pick this up on the other side of the break. 314 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:43.119 My guest again and Dickerson, co founder, lead organizer, well Lord, 315 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:47.079 lead organizer for Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon in 316 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:50.440 for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC, the talk station. 317 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:53.440 Fifty five KRC dot com. A Minute of Hope is 318 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:55.640 brought to you by the Linder Center of Hope Lenders 319 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:56.599 Center of Hope dot. 320 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:02.039 Seven thirty one in the morning. Kevin Gordon in for 321 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:04.960 Brian Thomas, fifty five k SEE the talk station, speaking 322 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:08.599 with Ann Dickerson. She is co founder and lead lead 323 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:13.680 organizer for Indivisible Northern Kentucky. And thank you so much 324 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:16.759 for hanging with us through the break. Certainly appreciate it. 325 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:21.039 So we were talking about doze and going in and 326 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:23.960 looking at these different organiz different size of the government. 327 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:28.400 I mean you you mentioned you no, you sat in 328 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:31.720 conversation with Rand Paul. You're probably familiar with Ran Paul's 329 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:35.359 Festivust report on an annual basis where he goes through 330 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:38.200 different departments of the government talks about waste, fraud and 331 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:42.519 abuse and some of these areas that probably should be cut. 332 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:45.359 And I think the last one that he did there 333 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:49.079 was about one point was at one point one trillion 334 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:52.079 dollars in cuts that could be done that nobody would 335 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:55.920 even miss because some of this waste is there you 336 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:58.359 gotta I mean, you mentioned the fact that even the 337 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:00.880 I mentioned the fact that even they're in the department 338 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:03.880 of the government. I don't care what department, cabinet members 339 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:07.559 or whatever. I mean, cabinet departments cannot pass an audit. 340 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.640 So number one, we as taxpayers ought to be demanding 341 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:14.359 that and to waste fraud and abuse. I mean, if 342 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:17.880 you don't file your tax returns properly, if you tell 343 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:20.720 the IRS, I can't pass an audit and just go 344 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:22.000 away leave me alone. 345 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:23.119 That ain't gonna work. 346 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:28.839 So I think, oh yeah, I wish we as taxpayers 347 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:31.400 could demand that of our government, and I think we 348 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:33.079 could probably agree on that. 349 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:35.039 Now we'll probably dis and. 350 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:37.839 I will and I will tell you this as well, 351 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:43.720 there is no one on any spectrum, regardless of party 352 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:46.920 position or what have you, there is no one that 353 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:54.279 thinks that making government more efficient less wasteful is a 354 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:54.880 bad pity. 355 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:01.000 The bigger problem is the process right now that it's 356 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:07.440 that things are happening as opposed to actually getting rid 357 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:11.079 of waste, bard and abuse. However, if you look at 358 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:15.400 the first quarter numbers that came out compared to last year, 359 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:19.559 you will find that the money that was spent in 360 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:24.519 the same time period last year under different administration to now, 361 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:29.640 while we've fired or laid off, I had lost count 362 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:33.519 of the number of federal workers shut down buildings which 363 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:37.559 shuts down you know, all the all the management, all 364 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:40.079 the money that goes into managing a building and keeping 365 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:42.880 it open and running and viable for people to use. 366 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.799 We've spent one hundred and eighty four billion more dollars 367 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:52.079 this year than last year in the same time period. 368 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:56.200 Okay, so how are we How are we eliminating waste, 369 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:57.119 broaden abuse? 370 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:01.799 If we're spending more money and yet we have left 371 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:05.680 things that we're spending money on by already shutting all 372 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:07.319 these things down and getting rid of all these. 373 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:09.759 People, then the question could be come to you? Is 374 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:14.880 why all the protests? Then? You know, because if nothing 375 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:20.720 has changed, if it was okay last year, what is the. 376 00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:22.200 Big deal now? Now? 377 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:27.519 I will agree, Come on, you're being oversimplified and you 378 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:32.039 about that. I've been I've been at these protests where 379 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:36.160 I mean people. You know, I'm going to tell you 380 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:39.519 one story in particular, a woman come up to me crummy, 381 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:44.599 I mean, tears streaming down her face. Had never met her, 382 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:48.880 never seen her before anything else. And what it happened 383 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:52.359 was we were actually out in front of Thomas Mancy's 384 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.680 office on Buttermill Pike and her husband had picked up 385 00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:59.880 their child from school, was taking their child to an 386 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.920 her school activity, and he called her at home and said, honey, 387 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:08.799 they're out on Buttermilk Pike. And she immediately threw a 388 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:10.640 bunch of stuff in her car and drove up to 389 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:14.759 meet us. And you know, because I was back and 390 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:16.599 forth between people and everything, I had to kind of 391 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:19.000 wait till the end of the protest to specifically go 392 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:21.960 up to her. Once I you know, she joined us, 393 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:24.480 I was like, are you okay, And once she was yes, 394 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:27.279 I'm okay, I'm just this is so amazing, And I 395 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:28.960 was doing all my other stuff. I wanted to find 396 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:30.960 out what her story was, and here come to find 397 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:34.799 out she's a federal worker who lost her job, you know, 398 00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:39.519 and was so moved that people were concerned enough to 399 00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:41.839 be out there. 400 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:42.880 Did she get the buy out? 401 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:46.880