1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: And joining us now live in studio. Let me get 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,440 that mic up here. We have a crafty k with 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,240 that camera on you there too, because you've got you've 4 00:00:09,279 --> 00:00:11,800 got some cool stuff to show us. But of course 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,079 from also on Facebook, you're my art by KF, My 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,640 art by KF and of course uh chaotic photography, that's 7 00:00:20,679 --> 00:00:23,800 the KF right yep. So it's wonderful to have you here. 8 00:00:24,559 --> 00:00:27,199 We met through Terminus Underground, right is that's where we 9 00:00:27,239 --> 00:00:30,719 met initially. Yes, you've you've taken I was talking about 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,640 you at the top of the show today talking about 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,399 what's coming up, and I did mention that you've many 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:40,039 of the photographs, the great photographs of artists, especially performing live, 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,159 have been taken by you. Those are your pictures. 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: I every time I'm able to get there and the 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,039 bands are playing, I talk to them. I get the 16 00:00:51,079 --> 00:00:54,479 permission to like be up their butts with my camera 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,359 because I like to get the shots that nobody else gets. Yeah, 18 00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:01,640 and yes they do. You use my phone, But I 19 00:01:01,679 --> 00:01:05,920 don't consider myself a photographer. I'm an artist, so I'm 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,079 going to use whatever medium I have at that time 21 00:01:09,159 --> 00:01:13,840 that's going to fit that project. Yeah, and then take 22 00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:18,040 them and then when I develop them, I have them, 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,079 well I don't have them. I give them to andre 24 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,920 and at Terminus and he puts them in the frames. 25 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,920 And we have the Hallway of Fame, Yes, of Terminus. 26 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,239 So if you play there and I'm able to capture you, 27 00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:33,599 you go into the hallway. 28 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Hey, do me a favorite. Can you 29 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,319 just turn that mic towards you a little bit? Yeah, 30 00:01:39,599 --> 00:01:42,840 and now just so it's like you're talking straight into it. Oh, perfect, perfect. Yeah, 31 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:44,680 the MIC's are a very the very sensitive. I just 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,239 want to make sure everybody can hear you. Okay, no, 33 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,439 that's uh yeah. And I always tell people too, the 34 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,040 first time you go to Terminus, it's kind of like 35 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,400 walking into another world, you know, especially when you go 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,159 into that room. You know, Well, the hallway is impressive, 37 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,760 right because the last time i've Jenny and I were 38 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,480 there for the open house, and I think at that 39 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:02,480 point there was already some of your pictures that you 40 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,439 had taken that were put up, and it was like, wow, 41 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:05,239 this is really cool. 42 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:11,159 Speaker 2: Yes, Eleanor has allowed me to keep my art up there, 43 00:02:12,159 --> 00:02:15,280 like twenty four seven. Yeah, yeah, which I am willing 44 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,479 to share. But I'm the rock star member, and as 45 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,120 a right now, I think I might be the only 46 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,719 artist artist, but I do believe she has another rock 47 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,879 star member. Now I'm not sure what his medium is. 48 00:02:29,039 --> 00:02:33,919 But I started painting a year and a half ago, 49 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,879 and before that was all pencil. Oh, and I finally 50 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,400 was like, you know what, I'm going to try this out, 51 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:46,159 and all of a sudden, I just started painting everything. Yeah, 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,759 and I absolutely love it, and I just keep building 53 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:54,520 my art into every If it interested me, I'm going 54 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,400 to do it. So I just now I got into 55 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:58,599 taking pictures. 56 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,479 Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait, so did the did the photography come later? That? Like? 57 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,159 What what came first? In terms of your of your 58 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:06,960 creating art. 59 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,879 Speaker 2: So I've always done pencil drawing, Okay, pencil and paper 60 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,360 like you will never take that away from me. Okay, 61 00:03:13,439 --> 00:03:15,560 I can bring it everywhere. I can create what I 62 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,280 want with that in any kind of setting. And then 63 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:23,479 I started a little bit with photography, but not as 64 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:27,360 much as I've been doing now. Okay, I've always done crafting. 65 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,159 And then just like I said, a year and a 66 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:34,000 half ago, I started really painting like I did paintings, 67 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,680 but I never wanted to show anybody really Yeah, and 68 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,400 then I had, like, you have that event in your 69 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:44,719 life that either pulls you down brings you up. 70 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: M hm. 71 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:47,919 Speaker 2: Mine pulled me down and I refuse to sit down 72 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,120 and refuse to lay down. So I made it bring 73 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,479 me up. And people started seeing it and they were like, no, 74 00:03:55,639 --> 00:03:57,199 we got to get we got to get this out, 75 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,000 we got to get this out. 76 00:03:58,039 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: And I was like what. 77 00:03:58,759 --> 00:04:01,919 Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, no no. And my boyfriend 78 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:06,599 Eddie set up my my Facebook page and my Instagram 79 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:11,719 page for me and just started putting my art out there. 80 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:15,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. Is something that we talk about a lot on 81 00:04:15,719 --> 00:04:19,759 the show is uh. In fact, it came up with 82 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,639 my my previous guest, Jamie Higgs. 83 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: Uh. 84 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: Is you know, using art, whether it be visual art 85 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,399 or music or whatever art it is that you're creating, 86 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:30,519 using it as really sort of a form of therapy 87 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:36,199 and working through things because sometimes it's hard, especially and 88 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,120 Jamie and I talked about this specifically, Sometimes it's hard, 89 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,199 especially when you're dealing with you know, major life events 90 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,000 or any kind of trauma, you know, to to talk 91 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:48,759 about that stuff and to be able to emote everything 92 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,639 that you're dealing with, but using art as a way 93 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,040 to kind of channel that and that that expression and 94 00:04:57,399 --> 00:04:59,800 working through, working through your feelings and then what winds 95 00:04:59,879 --> 00:05:02,560 up happening is not only is a great therapy for you, 96 00:05:03,079 --> 00:05:06,120 but it also is something that other people can connect with. 97 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,000 So it's a way of you help yourself and you 98 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,480 also wind up helping other people too. Well. 99 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: Mine wasn't. Mine wasn't so much for therapy for me. 100 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:20,560 It was getting people to understand how I felt. 101 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: Sure, Sure it was because being able to communicate that. 102 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's how I communicate. I'm not very good 103 00:05:26,439 --> 00:05:30,680 with words, as you can hear now, but through my art, 104 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,800 I can express myself. I can tell a tell how 105 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:37,279 you can feel it. You can see how I'm feeling 106 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:41,439 or what I'm trying to say versus me actually trying 107 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:46,439 to say it. Because I talk NonStop. I'm ADHD, So nope, 108 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:48,560 everybody kind of tunes me out sometimes. 109 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: The ADHD. Does that play a role in your art? 110 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:52,600 Do you think? 111 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,639 Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, there's a specific reason. 112 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,199 Speaker 1: I'm curious about that. So, I don't know if you're 113 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,360 familiar with doctor Kevin. He's from Nashua, doctor Kevin Ross Memory. 114 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,480 I think Eleanor, Yeah, Eleanor knows him. I've known doctor 115 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,759 Kevin for like twenty years and he's amazing. But he's 116 00:06:07,759 --> 00:06:11,360 done a lot of work in a d d adhd. 117 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,240 He's written some books. One of the books he's written 118 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,279 about it is called Managing the Gift, and the premise 119 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,319 of the book is, look, if this is something that 120 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:20,879 you have or maybe your child has, this is not 121 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:24,040 this is not a disorder, this is not a bad thing. 122 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:29,480 This is not uh something you have to figure out 123 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:33,040 how to overcome. This is something you should use because 124 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,600 people with this are creative and and there's a there's 125 00:06:37,639 --> 00:06:40,360 a lot of things if you use it correctly. There 126 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:42,360 are a lot of things about a d d adhd. 127 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:46,319 That's that's how he puts it, that that can actually 128 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,800 be very helpful and useful to you and accomplishing things 129 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,639 and also and specifically in being creative. 130 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:56,439 Speaker 2: Oh definitely, like you can my friends six minds combined. 131 00:06:56,519 --> 00:06:59,040 You can ask him. You give me one idea, I'll 132 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:02,639 give you twenty. And it's why you're trying to solve 133 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,199 one thing. I've already solved it. I'm working on something else. 134 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,319 And it's my hyper focus where it calms me down, 135 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,439 It just kind of centers me. My mom calls it 136 00:07:13,279 --> 00:07:16,959 he gans the world, and I just get stuck in 137 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,680 it sometimes though that I forget everything else. 138 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, So it's got hyper focusing. That's another thing 139 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,199 that comes with it. Yeah. 140 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: It's got its curses and it's got its blessings. 141 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean I think I have 142 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:33,560 a little bit of that myself, because I tend to 143 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:36,079 I can really kind of hyper focus on things. And 144 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,839 I remember doctor Kevin and I having a conversation about it, 145 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:41,639 and he said, yeah, Matt, you've definitely got some You've 146 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,560 got some of these straits. 147 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: In the eighties, nobody was diagnosed with that. We were 148 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:49,079 just kids and we were hyper and watching we got 149 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,120 set next to the teacher. 150 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:58,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. So do you ever is it ever 151 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,439 a challenge in terms of of, you know, because you're 152 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:03,680 using your art to try to communicate things to people 153 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,959 that are not easy to communicate with words. Does that 154 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,839 generally is that pretty easy for you to express yourself 155 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:13,720 that way or do you ever run into challenges with 156 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:16,920 that where maybe you create art that is not that 157 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,519 you feel is not adequately portraying what it is that 158 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:21,600 you're trying to get across. 159 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,839 Speaker 2: When I do pretty pictures, yeah, I can create the 160 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,040 most beautiful, pretty flowers and everything like that and like 161 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,799 how I'm feeling in that moment, but you look at 162 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:38,879 it and it's it's to me personally, it just feels generic, okay, 163 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:44,879 And my art sometimes gets a little darkish, I guess, 164 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,240 And it's not for everybody, but the ones that do 165 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:53,840 understand it and can feel it. There's there's like a 166 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,799 group for that. But I can create art for all 167 00:08:57,919 --> 00:09:01,879 types of groups, sure, I just and I also try 168 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:07,240 to fit it into what I'm doing. Like New Hampshire 169 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:12,559 Underground Terminus they did the punk rock Masquerade and I 170 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,159 was like, oh my gosh, I'm like I have to 171 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,639 do this. So I created masks in case people didn't 172 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,559 bring their own, they could purchase them. And I don't 173 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,559 sell any of my art for expensive prices because I 174 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:29,360 feel I want my art to go out and it create. 175 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:31,799 It just builds something in me to create more when 176 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:36,120 somebody wants to buy my art. And so I created 177 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,879 like a couple of them, and then I did a 178 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,240 couple more, and then I ended up with like fifty 179 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,320 of them and I have five left, so it was 180 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,120 like amazing, And then I went on to the next 181 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:54,200 show she did, and I created what was it like 182 00:09:54,799 --> 00:09:58,559 zombie boxes? Will you survivor will you die? Like pick 183 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:01,879 your fate? And I had things inside them, so like 184 00:10:02,039 --> 00:10:06,720 I loved just creating things for things. Yeah, and it 185 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,360 just I don't know, my brain just starts like firing 186 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,399 off and I can't stop. 187 00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:18,519 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm always amazed at you know, Jenny, she 188 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:23,279 makes some incredible painting and it's uh, and you know, 189 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,519 my brain is not like I have no in terms 190 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,240 of visual art. I have no artistic ability whatsoever. You know, 191 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:30,960 Like if you asked me to draw a person, I 192 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,240 could draw you a stick figure. That's I'm very comfortable 193 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,960 with acknowledging my my lack of ability in that area, 194 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,600 you know. I mean, I'm artistic in other ways, like 195 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:43,679 I'm a musician. I can create music and whatnot. But 196 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:46,000 I can't create any kind of visual art at all. 197 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:48,320 I hate it so much. So I was aware of 198 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:50,799 this from a very young age. When I was a kid, 199 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,159 I hated art class. I went to Saint John's Regional 200 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,000 and Conquered from grade two to grade eight, and these 201 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,039 art teachers would come in like once a week or 202 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,759 once every other week. It seemed like it wasn't very consistent, 203 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,240 but and I would feel like like me and probably 204 00:11:08,279 --> 00:11:09,840 a couple of the other kids in the class to 205 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,120 have about thirty kids, but I really felt this. I 206 00:11:13,159 --> 00:11:16,080 felt like they were trying to force me to be 207 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:19,320 artistic in a way that was not possible. I even 208 00:11:19,399 --> 00:11:22,200 have a very specific memory of this. We're painting, We're 209 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,480 using watercolors or something to paint this stuff, and I 210 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,720 remember just sitting there at one point I remember this, 211 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:32,320 This memory sticks with me. I was in grade school. 212 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,519 I don't remember what grade, but I'm sitting there trying 213 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:37,000 to paint this picture, and at a certain point, I'm 214 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,080 just painting the same tree over and over. I'm just 215 00:11:40,159 --> 00:11:42,639 going over and and over because I'm trying to look 216 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:45,240 busy at that point, because I got to look like 217 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:47,840 I'm doing something. And then the art teacher actually comes 218 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,279 over and says to me, Matt, you're just painting the 219 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,879 same tree over and over. And I'm like, oh, that 220 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,759 didn't work, you know what I mean. But I recognize 221 00:11:53,799 --> 00:11:58,000 that in myself, pretty young, I have no ability in 222 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,399 that zone. So I always marvel at people who do, 223 00:12:02,919 --> 00:12:04,919 because you know, I look at Jenny's paintings it's like, 224 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,960 how did you do that? Like, because my brain can't 225 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,720 you know what I mean. Or Jenny makes this incredible 226 00:12:10,799 --> 00:12:13,960 macroma and I'm like, my brain can't do the math 227 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:15,440 because it's geometry. 228 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,799 Speaker 2: I've tried macromay and I can do plant hangers. Yeah, 229 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,120 but what she does there's like this too much counting 230 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:27,559 and it's wild. Yeah, I've tried it. It's fun. It's 231 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:29,840 kind of you know, just sit there, nothing to do, 232 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,399 and yeah, you can create something. 233 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,879 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and she'll and she'll tell you she's 234 00:12:34,919 --> 00:12:38,679 not good at math, but clearly on a subconscious level, 235 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,080 she's very good at geometry because you have to be 236 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,960 to do that, and she does it. It looks almost effortless. 237 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,240 That when she does it, she'll she'll make stuff. During 238 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:51,120 the show. She'll be she's not here today because she's 239 00:12:51,159 --> 00:12:52,919 got an event, but you know, she'll be sitting over 240 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,600 there just making stuff. And then at the end of 241 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,240 the show she says, oh, look what I made. It's like, 242 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,720 how it's incredible. Yeah. 243 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: Actually I failed art class, you like, in the in 244 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,639 grade school. I got a's in it, and then towards 245 00:13:08,759 --> 00:13:14,039 high school, junior high, high school, I started failing and 246 00:13:14,159 --> 00:13:16,360 it was because they were like they were like you 247 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,399 said they want. They were like forcing you to do 248 00:13:19,879 --> 00:13:22,399 certain things, and then I would do it and They're 249 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,799 like you didn't do it this way, and I'm like, 250 00:13:23,879 --> 00:13:26,840 I'm not that artist. I can't do that right, like 251 00:13:27,279 --> 00:13:29,720 I put the effort in. I did what I could do. 252 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,600 Or they're like there's too much. I'm like, I don't 253 00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:34,679 I want all that there, right, they're not enough there. 254 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,720 I'm like I don't want anything there, and they would 255 00:13:36,759 --> 00:13:41,000 get frustrated with me, and I was just I didn't care. 256 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,120 I'm like, I'm going to create art. Yeah, and that's 257 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:47,039 what I do. I tried playing the clarinet in sixth grade. 258 00:13:47,879 --> 00:13:50,679 My mom told me to stick with the pencils. I 259 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,759 was my my family's musically inclined. 260 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:54,159 Speaker 1: Okay. 261 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:59,759 Speaker 2: My uncle played in a band when I was ten, 262 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,399 so like early nineties. It was the Wounded Hearts. He 263 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:04,240 was the drummer. 264 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:04,759 Speaker 1: Okay. 265 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 2: He was actually the first band I ever did art. 266 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: Four oh no kidding. 267 00:14:10,519 --> 00:14:15,039 Speaker 2: He asked me to create something for their band T 268 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,360 shirt or something like that, and it was a hand 269 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,320 I drew. I drew a hand holding an atomic heart 270 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:26,440 and it was bleeding okay, and they didn't. I guess 271 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:28,879 go on or something happened. I'm not really sure. I 272 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,679 was sure, I was ten sure, and then I'd forgotten 273 00:14:32,679 --> 00:14:34,840 about it for all these years. And then the next 274 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:38,440 one I started doing art four was six months combined, okay. 275 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:44,960 And from there I've done Temple Mountain, I did photography 276 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,240 for Jesse Jesse Rustin. 277 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: And Jesse was here last week. 278 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I did the album cover for Lacey 279 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,919 who am I? Yes, yes, yeah, I'm hoping to continue 280 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,519 to do more like that for other bands, especially the 281 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:03,720 newer bands, like I want them not to use AI, 282 00:15:04,039 --> 00:15:07,879 like please, you guys don't use AI. Find the artists 283 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,879 like myself. And there's so many of us out there 284 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,639 that are like I got nothing to do. Yeah, And 285 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:17,600 I don't charge, like I said, I don't charge a lot, 286 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,360 especially for new bands. Sure, sure because all of us 287 00:15:21,399 --> 00:15:23,679 are starting out. So who the heck has all that money? 288 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: Right? Right? If you're just joining us crafty K is 289 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:30,720 that the right thing? And your Facebook handle my art 290 00:15:30,919 --> 00:15:33,559 by KF, my art by KF. I have a mental block. 291 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: Well, well it's my first and it's my initials. Okay, 292 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,879 So everything I do in my art. Instead of writing KF, 293 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,320 I do a heart with a K on it. 294 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:41,799 Speaker 1: Okay. 295 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:44,879 Speaker 2: That way it kind of combines everything together. 296 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,759 Speaker 1: Okay, okay and KF chaotic photography, right, Yes, so you 297 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,960 spelled photography with an F. So for people looking for 298 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:54,200 you online, where's the best way for people to find 299 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:54,720 you online? 300 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: I use Facebook more than I do Instagram. 301 00:15:57,279 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: Okay. 302 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: Instagram only allows you to post so many pictures at 303 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,399 a time, but Facebook I can load one hundred and 304 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:05,159 something on there. 305 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so you mentioned AI. This is another subject 306 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,720 that comes up all the time on the show, whether 307 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,320 it's whether it's about visual art or certainly about music. 308 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,559 I'm really curious to explore that subject with you a 309 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:27,159 little bit. I mean, I mean what, like, like what 310 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,279 is what is it that you tell? So what do 311 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,279 you tell? What do you tell musicians who you work 312 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,440 with when you're when you're having that conversation with them? Uh? Well, 313 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:37,440 like like, what what's kind of your pitch to say? 314 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,799 Please don't use AI. I know it's tempting, but please 315 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:43,480 don't do it. And here's why, Like what do you 316 00:16:43,559 --> 00:16:45,480 say AI? 317 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:49,279 Speaker 2: You can put in the words and you can describe 318 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,240 what you want. AI will pop something up. Who's to 319 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,600 say that's not going to be used for somebody else's description. 320 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,360 It could be just a little bit of different color, 321 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,279 It could be used a little bit of different that. 322 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,759 And yes, same thing with artists, but you don't have 323 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,640 that freedom and openness of can we change this a 324 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,480 little bit? Can we change that a little bit? Can 325 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:16,400 we tweak this? Can we tweak that? Can we add 326 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,559 in this? Can we take this out? Because you're trying 327 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,720 to get a computer to understand what you want, right 328 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,240 and you not that doesn't always happen. Yeah, so then 329 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:28,240 you're just like, you know whatever, We're just going to 330 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:30,160 go with it, and you're not totally happy with it. 331 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:33,079 But with me, I could take a I can take 332 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:35,519 an eraser out and just yeah, I'll take that right out, 333 00:17:35,599 --> 00:17:38,920 all right, I'll move this, and we can choose the 334 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,799 colors you want, We can choose the form like painting, pencil, 335 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:50,039 pen photography. You have more options than you do with AI. 336 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:53,880 I mean AI is great to use for some things, sure, 337 00:17:54,279 --> 00:17:57,599 but not for everything. 338 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:00,319 Speaker 1: Right right, yeah, I mean my own experience with it, 339 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,279 I can tell you it's hard to get it to 340 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,160 understand sometimes exactly what it is that you're looking for 341 00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:10,400 it is great for some things, but when it comes 342 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:14,279 to graphics, when it comes to images, actually my first 343 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:16,000 time trying to make any kind of an image. We 344 00:18:16,079 --> 00:18:19,000 had done we had done a segment on the show 345 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,160 about I don't know if you follow it at all, 346 00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:23,240 there hasn't been any new news on it, but the 347 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:26,880 Daryl Hall versus John Oates lawsuit, that whole legal drama. 348 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:28,680 We had done a segment on the show about it, 349 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:35,759 and I tried to get Dolly three to create I 350 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,920 needed a YouTube thumbnail and I wanted an image of 351 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:42,680 Daryl Hall and John Oates in a boxing ring and 352 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:46,519 they're boxing. I thought that would be funny. And this 353 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,640 was my first time trying to create a graphic using AI, 354 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,319 and it actually wouldn't do it. And I guess it's 355 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:59,519 got a rule about putting celebrities and violent situations or 356 00:18:59,599 --> 00:19:02,200 that was because it actually told me why it couldn't 357 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:03,799 do it, and. 358 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,079 Speaker 2: See me, I don't have I don't have any restrictions. 359 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:10,319 Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly. Yeah, what ended up happening was so 360 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,079 I couldn't do the boxing thing, and I kept working 361 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,480 with it and trying to get it to compromise with me. 362 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,480 So what I finally came up with was it created? 363 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,200 And I didn't even ask it to do this. Interestingly, 364 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:27,119 it didn't offer to give this to me specifically, but 365 00:19:27,279 --> 00:19:29,319 it offered me an alternative. But I went ahead and 366 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,880 created the alternative it was offering me, which was Daryl 367 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,160 Hollan John, Oh, it's playing chess. And then it said 368 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,039 you know, because it said I can't give you the boxing, 369 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,680 but I can give you this, and it just created 370 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,640 it because like, oh, that's interesting. And then I asked it, 371 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,119 can you put angry faces on them? Make them look angry? 372 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:51,039 That was willing to do, and so that's what it 373 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,200 came out with. They're they're at a chess board and 374 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,519 they look mad at each other. 375 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: It's a peaceful competitive. 376 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: Sport, right, right, So it was willing to do the 377 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,519 angry face and it kind of looks like them. It 378 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:05,960 doesn't exactly look like them, but yeah, well. 379 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: Like and my other thing, like I said earlier, is 380 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,279 you give me one you can have that one idea, 381 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,319 and my brain will just start popping things and I'm like, well, 382 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,599 what if you did, what if this? 383 00:20:16,839 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: What if that? 384 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: Or what do you think about this? And it starts 385 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:24,880 getting other people's brains going in there sure, like oh, 386 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,359 and then they start getting a bunch of ideas. Yeah, 387 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:29,799 it happens all the time in my little circle. 388 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. So you've done a lot 389 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,319 of work with six minds combined, right. Yes, that's because 390 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,440 we were talking off air about you know what should 391 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,359 we play for music? Coming into the segment. That's my 392 00:20:43,519 --> 00:20:47,519 favorite song of his. I love yeah, I love that. 393 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,799 The we had we had Rick on the show. It's 394 00:20:50,839 --> 00:20:53,119 probably more than a year ago. Now it all becomes 395 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,680 a blur. But I remember telling him too, I said 396 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,400 that that song, that's one of those songs that after 397 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,119 I heard it, I would wake up with it playing 398 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,960 in my brain because I always, like a lot of us, 399 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:04,880 you know, when I wake up in the morning, there's 400 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,599 always a song playing in my mind, and uh, you know, 401 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,599 I have that little wake up playlist, and that was 402 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,720 that was the first one I would hear for a 403 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:13,880 long time. I would just wake up in the morning 404 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,519 and here you know that you got this. 405 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 2: It gets stuck in my head when somebody says they 406 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,519 can't do something, yeah, and then all of a sudden 407 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,200 they start singing yeah. 408 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, So you've you've done a lot of work with him, right. 409 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: Yes, I've known him since I was fourteen fifteen, Yeah, 410 00:21:31,559 --> 00:21:41,119 and he started becoming six minds combined, and he asked 411 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:48,319 to create, Like I've created a few things that created 412 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:52,160 his album cover for him. Okay, the front and the back, Okay, 413 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:54,799 the back of it is just his mind exploding with 414 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,200 all the all the songs, Okay, and the front was 415 00:21:58,319 --> 00:22:01,119 his idea, and I took what he gave me for 416 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,440 what his image was, and I put it into a painting. 417 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,400 I've done his new logo which is going to be 418 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,279 coming out, and I'm not sure if I was supposed 419 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:14,640 to tell anybody that I love you. I'm sorry. 420 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,599 Speaker 1: A little teaser there. That's good. 421 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 2: There's a movie. 422 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: Do we know when? Do we have an e ta on? 423 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,519 Speaker 2: I'm not sure yet. 424 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:23,799 Speaker 1: Okay, I do know. 425 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:30,519 Speaker 2: He's got some new merchandise coming out. He also will 426 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:37,640 be having a new video or champion that I'm working. 427 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,559 I'm helping work on excellent and it's going to be 428 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,640 something me and him I have Like we always talked 429 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,519 about making a comic book together, really, yes, and it 430 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,160 kind of goes along those lines a little bit. I 431 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:54,920 helped him with running through a mansion. I helped video 432 00:22:55,839 --> 00:23:00,319 film it. That's not the right word, but me and 433 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,039 Eleanor we both did that. They put it together. I 434 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,599 had this after hearing that song. It was like again 435 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,319 just sparks flying in my head and yeah, you know what, 436 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:13,960 and then we we should do this in the mansion. 437 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,640 And then when we went to the mansion, we were 438 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,960 not allowed to videotape. We even got like followed like 439 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,480 like towards the end, like on the grounds, there was 440 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:24,799 like some security guy walking behind us. 441 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:26,799 Speaker 1: Well, so, so I'm really curious about this. So what 442 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,079 So you went to a mansion, did you like where? 443 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:30,960 Like what mansion? 444 00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:33,839 Speaker 2: The Breaker House? Where's that Rhode Island? 445 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:34,519 Speaker 1: Okay? 446 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: So we went down there and that place was huge. 447 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:39,920 I would not want to ever have to clean it. 448 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,079 Speaker 1: So you went there with the intention? So is that 449 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,240 it's hard to get. 450 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,559 Speaker 2: Something open to the public. Yes, I mean, did you 451 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,519 pay a fee to visit it? 452 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: Okay? 453 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,839 Speaker 2: You could take photography, but you couldn't videotape anything use 454 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,400 it for like social media. 455 00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: Things like that. Did you did you know that going in? 456 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: Or did not until we got there? 457 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: Okay? 458 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,519 Speaker 2: But we did like get some good shots like small 459 00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:06,680 little here, and there. 460 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:07,839 Speaker 1: So how did you how'd you do it? 461 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: Like? 462 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:09,599 Speaker 1: Did you have to do it kind of covertly or 463 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,359 how did how does that work? Yeah? 464 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:13,799 Speaker 2: I mean there were some things that I was like, dude, 465 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:14,400 do it now? 466 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, But. 467 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,839 Speaker 2: So that idea kind of went just like and then 468 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,039 I was like, you know what, everybody's mansion is their home. 469 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,359 It's there. It's so I was like, how about we 470 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,000 do it in a house. Like a person's mansion is 471 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:34,400 their home. It doesn't have to be an actual mansion, 472 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,559 right right, Like their mansion is their home where they 473 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,160 and it. It ended up working out, which was amazing. 474 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh interesting. What now what did you end 475 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,960 up doing with the stuff that you took in the 476 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,480 actual mansion in Rhode Island? Anything? 477 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: There's some clips of it in the video vide what 478 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,440 we could use that wasn't so much like showing anything interesting? 479 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but it was. 480 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,039 Speaker 2: It was fun. Yeah, try to be sneaky and do 481 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,440 it like we were breaking. 482 00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: The law right right, Hey, it's all rock and roll, 483 00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:11,160 right do you? 484 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:11,519 Speaker 2: So? 485 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,799 Speaker 1: Do you do a lot of album covers? I? 486 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,519 Speaker 2: After I did six Months Combined, Temple Mountain reached out 487 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,240 to me and I did I did his album cover 488 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:27,359 for Lonely. He sent me a clip of it and 489 00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:30,880 now immediately I was like, I got this and it's 490 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,200 the picture of a guy sitting on a bench with 491 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,359 a woman woman's face up in kind of like the clouds, 492 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,160 and he's just sitting there like kind of just defeated. 493 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,279 It's sad, you know, Lonely. And then after that, Jesse 494 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,279 Rustin asked me to do for some work for him 495 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,640 and he wanted photography, so we went to his studio 496 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,160 and did photography there. And then after that was who 497 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,599 Am I? And Thracks? So I did their album cover 498 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,799 for Hot Wax. 499 00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:05,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, and. 500 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,799 Speaker 2: She gave me the color scheme and I was in 501 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,640 there and I was trying to think of things to do, 502 00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:17,079 and I took an image of Racks on the drums 503 00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:22,160 and Lacey on the keyboard, and then her wife had 504 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:26,000 done a record, so I took the record and then 505 00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:28,599 I made it look like it was melting wax coming 506 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,000 down and creating them. 507 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a cool record. 508 00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: Created them and it's amazing to see that painting and 509 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,839 the color of lights that Lacy does. It changes the 510 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,759 colors on the painting. It's so trippy. It's awesome. 511 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,039 Speaker 1: That must be exciting too, to have an When you 512 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:52,200 have an opportunity to work with someone who is very visual, 513 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,559 you know obviously what what who I am in thracks, 514 00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:56,759 what they're doing, it's very visual, right, So to be 515 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,599 able to that must be that just must be fun. 516 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,759 Speaker 2: I love it like I love music, I love art. 517 00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:10,799 I do like people, not all people, because the world 518 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,279 the way the world is, but it's I love the 519 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:23,960 open creativity, the the compassion, the encouragement. Like nobody's trying 520 00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:28,000 to compete with each other, and when there's people trying 521 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:31,599 to compete with me, I'm like why, I'm like, you 522 00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:34,079 do what you do. I'm going to do what I do. 523 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,480 Like I don't call myself anything other than an artist, 524 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,920 and if I see something I want to do, I'm 525 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,839 going to try to do it. And I did that 526 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,680 even in all my jobs. I delivered pizza, I worked 527 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,759 at daycares, I sold luggage, I worked for a sewer company. 528 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,759 I like and now I've been in pharmacy for twenty 529 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:59,160 two years. But it's because there's also a whole lot 530 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,440 of paw that work. What do you do there? And 531 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:05,279 it's the same thing with my art. I have no 532 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,279 idea how to paint. I have no idea what I'm doing, 533 00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:11,440 but I wonder if this will work? 534 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:12,599 Speaker 1: How do I do this? 535 00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:16,519 Speaker 2: And then it Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. 536 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,000 And there are some canvases. Let me tell you, there 537 00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:22,599 is a lot of layers of paint, lots of it 538 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,480 because if I don't like it, I just paint over 539 00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:26,720 it and start to Yeah. 540 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,599 Speaker 1: And now, what do you mean about like like people 541 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,920 trying to compete with with you? Like what like is 542 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,319 it is it competitive in terms of you know, like 543 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,880 doing doing artwork for musicians? 544 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,799 Speaker 2: Is that No? I think competitive is like you're always 545 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:46,359 going to have that, Like it's just like a job. 546 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,359 You go in for your interview, you get hired or 547 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,119 you don't get hired. That part's not the competitive part. 548 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,759 It's when people start talking bad about your art or 549 00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:02,480 about how you do your art really or like, oh, 550 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,680 like they did that, Like I don't like that. If 551 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,000 you don't like it, then just do what we've always 552 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,039 been told is if you ain't got nothing nice to say, 553 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:14,319 don't say anything at all, Like I'm not going to 554 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,680 know any different. But when you start saying bad things 555 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,799 about somebody's art instead of encouraging them to do or 556 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,759 do better, that just brings that person down. They don't 557 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:26,720 want to create the art, and then they suppress. 558 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: Is that is that like like other artists like criticizing 559 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:31,519 your process or something. 560 00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:34,039 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't mind criticism whatsoever. 561 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,039 Speaker 1: Oh sure, constructive criticism is exactly fine. 562 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: But when you're just like downing somebody because of what 563 00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:44,599 they do or how they do it or what they 564 00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:46,839 used to do it, or you know, anything like that, 565 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,079 it's just it does take. It takes a little bit 566 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,559 from you and it kind of like ouch, like what 567 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,160 did I do? And then at the same time, I'm 568 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,400 the type of person that's I've doubted narcissists, and I'm 569 00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:06,480 like the best way to deal with somebody like that, 570 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:10,160 I'm gonna keep doing what I do a smile at 571 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,000 my face, and I'm just gonna do it better. So like, 572 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,920 bring it, but I'd rather not the negativity of things 573 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,480 like that around me. So like musicians playing and somebody's like, ugh, 574 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,119 like you might not like it, but don't tell them 575 00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:29,000 if you have some constructive criticism on it, like hey, 576 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,839 I didn't really like that because and then say why Yeah, yeah, 577 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,400 don't just like I don't like that, right. Well, it's 578 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,599 like you just it's like watching the show and you 579 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,400 get all the way to the end and then it's 580 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,920 a cliffhanger and you're like, wait, wait, what happened? What happened? 581 00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,920 And then you never know. It's the same way of 582 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,599 going I don't like it. Why tell me like, right, 583 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:58,519 because I might create something you don't like, but tomorrow 584 00:30:58,599 --> 00:30:59,759 might create something you love. 585 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,799 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, exactly exactly if you are just joining us. 586 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,279 We have a crafty k from Chaotic Photography and my 587 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,359 art by k F that I get it right. Cool, 588 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,440 I'm glad I got it right. Sometimes I worry I'm 589 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,920 suffering from adult onset dyslexia. But uh no, And we're 590 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,920 having a great conversation today about art and about you know, 591 00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:26,880 working with musicians. Is there anyone you've worked with who 592 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,160 who presented a unique challenge in terms of where it 593 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:35,400 was maybe difficult to find the right aesthetic for what 594 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,319 they're doing, maybe for their album cover or I mean, 595 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:40,000 I don't mean that in a bad way, you know, 596 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,160 but but just is there anyone you've worked with who 597 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:44,200 it was it was it took a little more to 598 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,519 kind of figure out where to go with it. 599 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 2: I did have somebody come message me about Creed about 600 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:55,400 what they want for their album cover. Yeah, and I asked, 601 00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,359 they want like a certain like background, see like an 602 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,160 apocalypse kind of thing, and I'm like, yeah, like I 603 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,440 couldn't do that, Like what kind of medium do you want? 604 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:13,359 They wanted like a photography. That's more difficult because you're 605 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,240 not going to get the right colors, you're not going 606 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:20,039 to get the right kind of visual. And also talking 607 00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:24,240 through Texas so hard because it's hard to understand, like 608 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:30,559 see their thought process, and I haven't. Like I did 609 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,440 send a few things and it just wasn't there. So 610 00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:38,319 he's just moved on, I believe to somebody else that 611 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,599 might be able to do it, because I wasn't able to. 612 00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,440 But I at least offered a few things. It was 613 00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,279 almost like, like I said, an interview, Yeah, well. 614 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: That can be hard to write if somebody because somebody 615 00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:52,599 might have an idea, I might have a vision in 616 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,920 their mind, but they can't find the right words to 617 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,039 communicate it, you know, And that's what's. 618 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 2: My that's what I do with my own. Yeah, I 619 00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:05,400 can't think of certain words. Yeah, the correct words to say. Sure, 620 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,000 I do it through my art and when someone's trying 621 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,559 to tell me something because they can see it but 622 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,400 they can't get it into words. Yeah, but they don't 623 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,799 have the ability to put it on canvas or paper either, 624 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,920 So like I can understand that being the most frustrating thing. 625 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:26,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like uh, you know, like like me, 626 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,039 someone who has no visual artistic ability. If I you know, 627 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:32,119 if I'm trying to communicate to somebody, like sometimes I 628 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,240 don't know the like I don't know the vocabulary of 629 00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:37,839 you know, for what I'm trying to tell them that 630 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,400 I want, you know, just to see artistically. Yeah, that 631 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,079 can be. That could be tricky. Now, how does it 632 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,880 work in terms of you coming to work with some 633 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:49,359 of these artists? Do they approach you? Do you approach them? 634 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,079 Does it depend? 635 00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 2: So? After I take after I take photos of them 636 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,079 when they're playing, I show them a few of them 637 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,599 that I have done, and I send that I send 638 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,400 them photos and the only thing I ask for for 639 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,599 those is photo credit. 640 00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:04,039 Speaker 1: Yeah. 641 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also offer if you need any artistic 642 00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:13,679 guidance or any work done, anything like that, just reach 643 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,440 out to me and we can see what we can 644 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:20,519 work out. Yeah, so I don't push it. Yeah, like 645 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,239 either because I don't like I don't like I don't 646 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,159 like those pushy people, or like, you know, I can 647 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,559 do this, I can do this, like buy my stuff, 648 00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:34,159 buy my stuff right right, Like I hate selling my 649 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,719 own stuff. I am not good at it whatsoever. 650 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: Well, the interesting thing though, is for what you do, 651 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,119 you kind of you really have an advantage and that 652 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:51,400 you can you can show them what what you can 653 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,039 do right up front, right like if you're if you're 654 00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,519 taking pictures and you can show them, look, these are 655 00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:58,679 some photos I took of your live performance or whatever 656 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,960 it was you. Then they see they can see right off, 657 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,280 right off the bat that you're legit. You obviously know 658 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,800 what you're doing because you take great pictures. 659 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 2: And I have my art hanging up in the hallway exactly. 660 00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 661 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 2: Yes, New Hampshire Underground and Terminus has been like it's 662 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,360 they've been a blessing. Eleanor has helped me in so 663 00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:22,000 many ways this past year and it's only been a year. Yeah, 664 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,760 I feel like I've known her for ever really Yeah, 665 00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:29,000 and she's helped me more ways than she can imagine. 666 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:30,639 Like she's always like, what do you because I don't 667 00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:34,440 care about status. I don't I don't care about any 668 00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:36,920 of that. And she's like, what do you I'm like, 669 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:40,000 you what you're doing for me? And they let me 670 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:43,920 put so much art up and all over there, and 671 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,320 I love it and I appreciate it so much because 672 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,440 of my creativity. I'm like, oh, there's blank space on 673 00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:49,800 that wall. 674 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: No, that's that's amazing. When you're taking pictures of like 675 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,639 say you're taking pictures of someone performing live, is there 676 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,039 is there kind of a method to that, I mean, 677 00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:05,599 or are you just like, oh, this, this would make 678 00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:07,800 a good shot, I'm gonna take this picture or I mean, 679 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,559 do you have a strategy for that or do you 680 00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:11,519 just kind of do it instinctively or I just do. 681 00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 2: It instinctively, like kind of like candid. Yeah, they I 682 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,800 tell them. I tell them all, don't look at me. 683 00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:22,400 I'm not there. Like if I do cross that green line, 684 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,159 step on me, step over me, just keep playing. Sure, 685 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,280 I'm going to get the shot, but you need to 686 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,480 continue to play right. And I do apologize to people 687 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:33,320 out there that when I'm in their shot, because I'm 688 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,000 sure there's like some shots that people like. I like. 689 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:42,440 Getting back to where the drummer is and getting photos 690 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,480 of the crowd. Yes, because the crowd doesn't get to 691 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:50,519 see what the band sees, right, And then I'm taking 692 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,559 pictures of the band of what the crowd sees that 693 00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:54,800 the band doesn't get to see. 694 00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:57,679 Speaker 1: I love those personal like, I love those kind of pictures. Yeah. 695 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 2: I like seeing both sides, and sometimes like seeing the crowd. 696 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,599 I like to show them because sometimes they're just like 697 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,159 standing there sure, and I'm like, hey, it's just some 698 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,440 yeah yeah, yeah, but it just shows how many people 699 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,960 like you get to see both sides, so that it's 700 00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:19,000 both sides of the story. 701 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's Yeah, that's a great way of putting it. 702 00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:24,519 When you when you tell somebody, hey, I need a 703 00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:26,960 candid shot, don't don't look at me, just do what 704 00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:28,800 you're doing. Do some people struggle with that? 705 00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah they do, because like they'll look at me 706 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,719 and smile. But six Minds Combined is the only one 707 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,719 that I have allowed to We have a he's got 708 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,679 to pause, and I got to get the shot because 709 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,400 he moves so much, okay, yeah, and sometimes like his 710 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,599 I'll go to get that great shot in his hand, 711 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,679 or he moves his face and he I'm like, so 712 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,079 we have like these like make eye contact and he 713 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,519 kind of pauses just like his movement, so I can 714 00:37:58,599 --> 00:37:59,280 get the shots. 715 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,519 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, yeah, because. 716 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I'm like, I would be raised so 717 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,159 many photos. 718 00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: But it's cool that you have that understanding with him 719 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,159 and he gets it obviously, and he's able to accommodate 720 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,280 that and you're able to work together that way. That's uh, 721 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,840 that's great. Oh, I want to make sure we don't 722 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,639 forget this. You showed me something off air, a book, 723 00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:23,719 and we do have for those For those watching online, 724 00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,440 you'll be able to see this because she's holding it up. 725 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,920 And if you're if you're just listening, you know, radio 726 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,519 is theater of the mind, you'll have to imagine this. 727 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,320 But but this is really cool. Okay, So tell us 728 00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:35,599 what you've got in your hand there. 729 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,639 Speaker 2: So this was a book. It's called Kaw c Aw 730 00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:44,599 by Clay hurt Bus. I am really sorry Clay if 731 00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:49,480 I just butchered. So back in the early two thousands, 732 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,679 we worked together and he was writing a book and 733 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,760 he's written several and he asked me if I would 734 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,880 do some artwork for him. 735 00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:58,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was like yeah. 736 00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:00,320 Speaker 2: I was like, that would be awesome, and he's just 737 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,800 going to publish it and everything, and he had some 738 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,199 medical issues and I'm not sure what happened in between 739 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,159 all the time that I've seen him to the time 740 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,199 he published it, because he had moved, okay, and I 741 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:20,239 finally we finally contacted each other again through Facebook just recently, 742 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,920 and he published the book last year in twenty twenty four. 743 00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:28,880 In the book, because he didn't know my last name, 744 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,320 he didn't put my name in there as an illustrator. 745 00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,559 But when you look up online about the book, it 746 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,199 says my name as the illustrator. But when he had 747 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,000 found me on Facebook, my name was my name and 748 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:48,119 my daughter's name. Okay, so the illustration name is Kegan Lily. Oh, 749 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,519 so I think that is going forward. Might be my 750 00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:52,719 new illustration name. 751 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,559 Speaker 1: Oh that's cool. 752 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,760 Speaker 2: But the book is in English and every single language 753 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,639 you can think of on Facebook. Wow, it's Chinese. This 754 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,639 one's English and Chinese, and it's double sided. But my 755 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,880 art at it's old art from before it kind of 756 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,039 got a little more talented. But it's it's amazing that 757 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:21,079 he saved him. Ye, and like my art is international now. 758 00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:25,039 Wild and just seeing it in a book, I was like, 759 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,960 I've always wanted to be an illustrator of children's books 760 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,039 and stuff like that, but yeah, it was. It's really 761 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:36,480 a awesome feeling to that's crazy. Wow, everything that I 762 00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:41,440 have wanted and everything I'm working for actually getting there. 763 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,599 And I got to thank Eddie for a lot of it, 764 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,719 because if he didn't push me to open my Facebook, 765 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,840 and like, he just supports me a lot, especially with 766 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,840 my photography. We'll be at the show together and then 767 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,000 all of a sudden running off to take photos and 768 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,159 he sits there and watches me paint for hours. Yeah, 769 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,559 create whatever, I'm creating it, but he he supports me, 770 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,000 doesn't That's great? Yeah, try to be like you're painting again, 771 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,079 right right? And I have gotten paint on like so 772 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,440 many things, even our own even our own comforter, and 773 00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:26,760 really I paint like I have paint on me now. 774 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,800 But he supports me in. 775 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: It, and yeah, I love him for that. Yeah that's wonderful. Yeah, yeah, 776 00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:36,400 absolutely no, It's so important to have a creative partner 777 00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,000 for for people watching on video. Why don't you hold 778 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,679 that up one more time? Yeah, so people can see 779 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,880 it and then and where can people get that book? 780 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 2: Facebook? I mean not Facebook, Amazon, Amazon? 781 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,119 Speaker 1: Okay e a w And did he did he inscribe 782 00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:52,079 that for you too? Did he write something inside of it? 783 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:56,039 Speaker 2: Because I saw he said Kegan, thanks for the beautiful artwork. 784 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: Very nice. That is so cool. And so that was 785 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,280 a surprise right when that came out. 786 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, because he said I published the book and I 787 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,440 was like, no way, And so I looked it up 788 00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:12,519 and he sent them. I bought one prior to him 789 00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:15,480 sending it to me. My mom's like I want that, 790 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,000 Like you can have it because he's sending me one. 791 00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:21,079 And he sent me two of them, a hardcover and 792 00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:24,960 the soft cover. The other one's English and Swedish no kidding, 793 00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:29,800 and he wrote in both of them. But it was amazing. 794 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,000 And it's so weird to see my artwork in there 795 00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:36,599 because I remember doing it and then just the style 796 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,719 of it, I'm like, yeah, that's totally art. 797 00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: That's extremely cool. So what's kind of your your long 798 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,760 term trajectory do you think or do you know, like 799 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,440 do you want to do you wanna do you have 800 00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,119 like a focus, like like is it is it doing 801 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,679 artwork for for album covers? Is it photography is it 802 00:42:59,239 --> 00:42:59,599 do you know? 803 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 2: Just doing art where it I don't want it to 804 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,079 be a job. I love doing art. I don't want 805 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,519 it to become a job because really, if you think 806 00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:11,679 about it, if that's where you're gonna go, I gotta 807 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,599 go do this. I gotta go do this, Like you 808 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,719 don't want to do it because you have to. I 809 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,960 want I do it because I want to do it 810 00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,800 because I have that freedom of it's my like, it's 811 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,000 my getaway, my break, it's my Higans world. But it's 812 00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:30,639 the minute it becomes a job, I'm like, I'm not 813 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:36,079 interested anymore. And I want to just be able to 814 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:41,159 do it or don't do it right. And I mean 815 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,119 I loved I love doing it, so don't get me wrong. 816 00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:45,559 I'm not going to be like I don't want to 817 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:47,639 do that. But if there is something that I'm just 818 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,400 I'm just not in the mood for it, or I 819 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,880 don't have the time, I want to be able to 820 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,440 say I'm sorry, I don't have the time to do this. 821 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,719 And then but I know other artists because I've met 822 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,159 some amazing artists. 823 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,599 Speaker 1: Oh I can imagine and yeah, Lily's. 824 00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:09,280 Speaker 2: Amazing, and I met Chelsea she's an amazing photographer, and 825 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:15,159 there's so many options, especially meeting all through New Hampshire Underground. 826 00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:19,880 They have Andrea and Eleanor has brought so many of 827 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,840 us together, Like I finally found like a group I 828 00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:27,039 can relate to and belong to and like feel comfortable 829 00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:31,639 and not like at one of those fancy, like little 830 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,199 cliche art gallerries and everyone's kind of like snubbing you. 831 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,880 And because I mean obviously I don't dress like I 832 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,000 belong in there. I paint on my own pants. 833 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:48,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Jenny had her art hanging there at one point, 834 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:53,119 which was really cool. And and actually, you know I 835 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,320 mentioned earlier we had Jesse Rutstein along with Caleb Caleb 836 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,320 Dyer here on the show last week, and we met 837 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,639 Jesse at Terminus during the open house. 838 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 2: Yes, he actually just played on last weekend. 839 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: Oh right right, yeah, after yeah, after the It was 840 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,079 the same same weekend as the interview. Yeah yeah, so yeah, No, 841 00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:16,000 they've done They've done a wonderful job there, and you're right, 842 00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:21,480 bringing people together absolutely absolutely so. Now, if somebody, you know, 843 00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:23,239 because a lot of musicians listen to the show, a 844 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,920 lot of industry people, if somebody wants to work with you, Like, 845 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,239 what what's the best way for them to reach out 846 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:28,400 to you? 847 00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 2: This message me on Facebook? Yeah, like through Facebook Messenger. Yeah, 848 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,760 I'm really horrible about my email, which I try not 849 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,480 to be. But my email addresses on my business cards. 850 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,239 But it also has my Instagram and my Facebook on there. 851 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,199 Speaker 1: Okay, and how do they find you on Facebook? Again? 852 00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,760 Speaker 2: But my art by kf All one word okay? And 853 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,960 then it's got a picture of a pink and black lily, yeah, 854 00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:56,400 which I put that on my business card for my daughter. 855 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:57,199 Speaker 1: Oh okay. 856 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 2: It's a show her that it doesn't matter when you start. 857 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,039 You can do whatever you want to do. You can 858 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,159 create things. 859 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that's really cool. 860 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,679 Speaker 2: Even she's benefited. Her first concert was Green Jello, Yes 861 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:19,840 Jelly at Terminus. Yes, she passed kindergarten screening and she 862 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,400 got to go through pool noodles with man speaker. 863 00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:26,159 Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, that was quite a night. Yeah, that all 864 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,280 happened because Green Jelly or Jello, I never know which 865 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,920 to call him. They had been on the show. And 866 00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:36,639 then Bill was talking to Jenny about you know, where 867 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,679 can we play in New Hampshire when we come back 868 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,719 through And then Jenny connected with Eleanor and worked on 869 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,400 that and getting that all booked and that was a 870 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,639 lot of fun, although when they were on the show 871 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,880 that day. So it's probably one of my most favorite 872 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,239 interviews ever, but also the most nerve wracking. I think 873 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,920 I hit the dump button because we're on an eight 874 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,239 second delay in case anything, you know. I think I 875 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,199 hit the dump button five times during during that, and 876 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,159 the whole time I was just sing here like, don't 877 00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:01,400 get me fired, don't get me fired. 878 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,400 Speaker 2: I'm being surprised by my own self because the F 879 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:11,280 bomb is like I'm Irish. Yeah, it's just it's the 880 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,840 word like in Ireland. Yeah, so it's natural, and I'm like, 881 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:16,480 don't swear. 882 00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:19,360 Speaker 1: No, You've done great well. The thing is, though, that 883 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,199 the trick is to not not worry about it and 884 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,679 overthink it, because so many people they come on the 885 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,199 show and they're like, oh, I hope I don't swear. Oh, 886 00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:27,519 but I don't swear, And it's the people who worry 887 00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:29,000 about it, you know, they worry about it and then 888 00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:31,840 then it ends up being fine. But like I tell everybody, 889 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,960 we're on an eight second delay, so if the worst happens, 890 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,039 I can catch it. But but no, I think I 891 00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:40,159 think when when those guys were on the show, I 892 00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:42,440 think I hit the dumb button five times total. And 893 00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:45,039 it wasn't all swears a couple you know, there might 894 00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:47,719 have been a drug reference. I was uncomfortable with, you know, 895 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,760 just anything it went in doubt. I reached for the dump. 896 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 2: Slim had a really big effect on Lily, like she 897 00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:58,119 wanted she has a Yuku Leley, but like she wanted 898 00:47:58,199 --> 00:47:59,880 to be a rock jammer. 899 00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 1: Oh that's cool. 900 00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:02,760 Speaker 2: She would have me take she had me take a 901 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,760 video and then send it to her. Yeah, and it 902 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,480 was It's cute because Slim ended up sending her a 903 00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,480 video saying like happy birthday to her. It was like 904 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,559 really great, Like it's just showing that these other artists 905 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,719 inspire other people. Yeah, it doesn't matter what age group. 906 00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,719 And Slim was afraid, like she would scare Lily at 907 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,679 the show, and because Lily was kind of like, oh, 908 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,920 what are you wearing? Yeah, and that was her biggest thing. Oh, 909 00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:33,280 Lily wasn't afraid of her, but she was like what 910 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,599 are you wearing? And then after that she's like I 911 00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:37,239 want to be like her, I want to be a 912 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,400 rock star. I was like all right, go for it kid. 913 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh that's cool. 914 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 2: That's very and now she's on to now she wants 915 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,599 to be a Samurais or whatever thing. 916 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:55,119 Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, well, uh Kegan crafty k, thank you 917 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,559 so much. This has been wonderful. Thank you. We'll definitely 918 00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,199 do it again in the future. And uh, I think 919 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,400 we should probably close out with who I Am track 920 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,360 from Hotwax. Hostly can maybe glow to end the segment, 921 00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:08,519 and thank you everyone who joined us today on the show. 922 00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,159 Of course Jamie Higgs in the second hour and in 923 00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:13,840 the first hour we had three times seven both via 924 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,519 WhatsApp all the way from the UK. And if you 925 00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:18,239 missed any part of today's show, it will be up 926 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,000 in just a little bit at Wmnhradio dot org and 927 00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:24,440 at my website Matt Connorton dot com. Jenny is not 928 00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:26,840 here today, but she is at an event or on 929 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,559 her way to an event, going on and conquered, so 930 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,039 make sure to keep up with everything she's doing. Go 931 00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:34,960 to Jencoffee dot com. She's doing a lot of great activism. 932 00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:36,920 I'm so proud of her. And if you want to 933 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,480 keep up with everything I'm doing, you can go to 934 00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:41,599 Matt connorton dot com. And this is SummerSlam weekend, by 935 00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:43,440 the way, so keep an eye on your social media 936 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,079 because at some point Eric Pilcher and I are going 937 00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:50,039 to do a live stream of Tough Bumps, probably tonight's 938 00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:52,400 night one of SummerSlam, So we'll probably go live after 939 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,840 that and talk about what we saw on what happened 940 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,840 and all that good stuff, and we might do another 941 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,880 one tomorrow. We'll see. So there's a lot going on 942 00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:01,960 and so please just just keep an eye on the 943 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,440 socials and you'll be able to see it all. Let's see, 944 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,079 so I think, yeah, so we'll end with this, We'll 945 00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:10,079 end with glow. This is from who I Am and 946 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,400 Trax and their new release called Hot Wax and Crafty k. 947 00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,320 Thank you again, thank you and uh oh and if 948 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,840 you miss any part of today's so it'll be up 949 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,400 in just a little bit at wmnhradio dot org and 950 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,800 my website Matt Connorton dot com, and we'll talk at 951 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:25,599 you a little bit later.