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Speaker 1: Perhaps ironically or perhaps innately, it took someone like Donald

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this historical share of the Hispanic vote. I mean, I

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don't think it's an accident that you looked at and

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look at the twenty twenty election for instance, there when

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when Donald Trump now loses to Joe Biden. You have

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these heavily Hispanic counties, many of which stay with Trump,

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and twenty twenty four places like Star County taxes a

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PoTA count taxes eight down there in the Rio Grande Valley.

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I mean, these are like ninety plus percent is Panic

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counties and they're voting for Donald Trump. And guess what

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those are not the Cubans here in South Florida where

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I live, No, those are Mexicans. But and I mean

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even here in central Florida, I said, Orlando, there is

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o'cala County, o'calla County, they formerly Blue County that has

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broken red recently too. It's a very heavily Puerto Rican county. Actually,

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so it's not even just the Venezuelans who are fleeing communism. No,

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I mean, there's been a real genuine shift.

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I've been watching him, Josh Haimer, you on YouTube Lefty's

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Losing It. It seems like for years it's been on Now.

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I love watching that show in the morning. It gives

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the show, is definitely a great sense of humor and

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the great political insights. And you're a regular guest there, Josh,

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And really, hey, if you can't laugh at yourself and

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you can't laugh at the at the left left, what

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do we have left to laugh at? You know?

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Speaker 1: Carry It's good to join you and thank you so

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much for the flattering words. It's funny. I go on

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a lot of shows with with some degree of regularity,

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but it is Rita Panahi's Sky News Australia show that

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you on that He's losing it in Skyty's Australia, and

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it's really funny. I haven't I'm gonna read a show

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for years that it's actually been a bit of a

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personal connection as well. One of Rita's good in person

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friends in Melbourne, Australia is actually a very old friend

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an Australian show that totally totally works in the US.

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don't work outside their local environs, like you know when

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the US. But somehow she's made it work. That's really

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Speaker 1: The woman lives halfway around the world and she has

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more incisive commentary and humors to your point, incisive and

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humorous commentary on our own politics than I'm probably ninety

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five percent or more of America's political commentators left center

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had been censored for thirteen years, fourteen years now. You know,

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Speaker 1: That Donald Trump's two greatest and least transferable political gifts,

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everlasting minds and to essentially bait them into taking the

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wrong end of an eighty twenty or ninety ten issue.

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that no other politician in lifetime had done so. So

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era Trump one point zero, if he will, that my

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then candidate Trump. I should I shouldn't be leaving this

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as much as I am, but it's just so funny,

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Speaker 1: Some people out there who have brought tomatoes into the

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people at the front, And I had this to say.

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thousand and you know, he saw my name in a

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publication in the Wall Street Journal, invited me and my

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partner to his office to discuss some cases. At the time,

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desert storm boots and a ranger cap into Trump's office

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and Trump's like back slouched back on the phone, and

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he sees us walk in and he like looks us

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guys are lawyers, because you don't look like any lawyers

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in the political debate, and Trump has effectively weaponized it

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and it drives the left nuts. They don't even think

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he's funny, Josh. That's the depth of their vitriol and

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hatred of Trump. They can't even take a joke anymore.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's partially that.

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to inspect inexplicably make his political opposition lose the everlasting minds.

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twenty twenty eight. I mean, yeah, frankly, look, I mean

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clear successor to Donald Trump at this time. A lot

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a person level for many years. I was a big

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Speaker 4: But you know, whether it's JD.

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the Jimmy Carvell School of how to get a political

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candet in the campaign trail there, but very very few

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people have these things there, and you know that you're

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people to fix stuff right, make the trains run on

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's been an extraordinarily impressive governor and virtually

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every way that you can judge a goomatorial tenure, he's

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he's he's a young guy. He definitely has time there.

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or you dumped and Ron for all of his tremendous gifts,

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and look, there are there are. I've met Ron the

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off camera. He absolutely can be you know a little

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more kind of you know, casual conversation, you know, drink

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a beer, smoke a cigar, that that kind of thing there.

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have it there. But being able to kind of take

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that and to really kind of do the old kind

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of Tokvillian American democracy process, going from gas station to

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gas station, Iowa, shaking hands, making people feel like they're

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a million bucks, right, making the everyday person feel like

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he or she is a million bucks. Because politics, many

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ways ultimately is a sales a sales package endeavor as well.

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prostitution way, although Frank is some politicians do that too,

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but you're selling yourself as a as an elected as

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a prospective elected official, and you have to really kind

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of leave a very positive, lasting impression there. So yes,

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suspend in twenty twenty eight. He probably won't with very

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simple reason that I spect Mark Rubio probably will, and

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I'm not sure that there's room for both them there. But

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I've been wrong before, so I guess let's say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Marco Rubio to me is the shocker of the

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whole Trump administration. Like I thought he was a bright guy,

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thought he had a sense of humor, although he got

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out Trump by Trump on the stage numerous times. And

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yet the guy like he's basically the president of Venezuela

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and now will soon be the President of Cuba as

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well as being Secretary of State. I mean, that guy,

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he's way way outperformed anything that I expected.

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Speaker 4: He's been extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at what the administrations has accomplished on

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the world stage them at this point. I mean, you

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had the setting back by years at least potentially a

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decade or more of the Ironim nuclear program. You had

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peace deals between Indian Pakistan. People forgot that there was

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a real worry that these two that these two nuclear

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countries can actually engage in direct fisticuffs. He got a

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peace deal between Indian Pakistan. He got a peace deal

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between Cambodia and Thailand, two rivals there in Southeast Asia.

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normally top meta between Armenia and Azerbaijan, two countries that

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was in Armenia Gosho two and a half years ago.

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vitril between these two countries. They are multiple wars over

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the past trival three and a half four decades. And

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not only did they get a peace deal, there's this

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incredible press conference then no one covered at the White

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House back in like early in the mid August, and

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the two leaders are like clanking a champagne class. It's

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incredible stuff. I mean, the level of Look, they haven't

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gone the rush of Ukraine deal. It's not for lack

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of trun They've been trying really really hard. Sometimes it's

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just it's just really hard. I mean, lamp Punin's a

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tough cookie, so sometimes it's just really really really hard

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to get a deal. But they've accomplished so much there.

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The Madure Operation a staggering success, a mind blowing success,

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reminder of American resilience and American exceptionalism, especially in our

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own hemisphere. And yeah, Rubio is behind not all of this,

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but a lot of it. He really has been kind

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of like the guy behind a lot of administrations staggering

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diplomatic and foreign policies.

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Speaker 4: Success is there. So right now he's kind of he's buying.

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Speaker 1: He's being very coy when when he's asked about twenty

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twenty eight he basically says, you know nothing about that,

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or you know, if the Vice President runs out, I'll

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support him there. If you asked me, my own opinion

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what I think Mark Rubio is doing. I think he's

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basically playing something with Stalky horse game right now. He

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thinks probably it's a little bit too early to peak

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at this time there. He wants to kind of let

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the administration play out there, keep on panning his resume

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there and at this point again I'm the ramafore, but

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I would pre surprised if this momentum keeps up. The

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Rubio I mean, presprise V does not mount a bit

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in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been remarkable. I mean the foreign policy success

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is Rwanda and got right. You know, there's been so

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many of them, and you know, I was in Thailand

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when they resumed their hostilities again, but you know he

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stopped that and the whole thing with Russia Ukraine War.

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I mean, the military industrial complex doesn't want it to end,

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and until they've gotten their profits, I don't think it's

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going to you know, it's a whole new generation of

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hardware they're going to be able to sell, or that

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they're selling now. So there's just too much against them

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to stop it. But I think we're getting closer. A

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recent prisoner exchange, maybe that's an indication that they're going

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to come to their senses because it's just like chewing

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up men and capital with no benefit to either side. Now, look,

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I hope you're right. I pray that you're right. It's

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been absolute carnage.

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Speaker 1: So much attension goes to our Middle East conflicts for

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various reasons that people just forget about the level of

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depravitying carnage that had happened there in Ukraine and also

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inside Russia as well, both places over the past four years.

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and hundreds of thousands. I mean, whatever the death toll

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was in Gaza over the war, and it's certainly not

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what Aamas says it was, but we can debate exactly

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what was there. It pales in comparison, pales a fraction

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of the death toll in Russia Ukraine. Even if the

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war were to actually end tomorrow, it would take Ukraine decades,

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a half century at least probably to rebuild. They thinking

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about the loss of young men and women, people who

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are scarred PTSD, people who have fled the country, the

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level of intellectual capital, financial capital, social capital, all of

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it which is which has left the country to try

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to seek asylent refuge elsewhere. It's been an astounding, shockingly

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high cost and unfortunately both parties I primarily blame Putin

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and but Zelenski definitely has has the times been too

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stubborn as well, and it's just been a very very

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very very difficult deal internally. To your point, the military

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industrial complex, that's that's a very astute points when that's

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not really made very frequently. But they definitely don't have

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a particularly firm interest in ending this one, shall we say?

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Speaker 4: I guess, I guess you're probably right and spot on

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about them.

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Speaker 3: And they don't care who wins or loses. They don't

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care if the stuff gets blown up the moment it

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gets off the ship, because they're getting paid. At least

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Trump has shifted the financial burden to Europe rather than

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the US taxpayer, So be grateful for that. You know

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one thing I want to cover with you. I don't

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think it's covered enough. Fraud, all right, you're not surprised

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by the fraud that's being uncovered. I'm certainly not. I've

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been dealing with the government my whole adult life. There's

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more than enough fraud to go around. But the whole

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basis of the Great Society by Johnson. It's fraudulent on

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its face, right, I mean, it really was built to

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encourage fraud and to encourage the worst aspects of humanity.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was only built to enable in a bet

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fraud at minimum, But I think above all, really it

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was built towards the goal of subservience, of trying to

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make more men dependent on the teat of the government

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and to make them subservient to Uncle Sam. Ultimately, you know,

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I've heard various skeptics critics of the welfare state. I

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mean Thomas Soule comes to mind. To Thomas soul has

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frequently sure said that the welfare state was one of

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the worst things that ever happened to the black family.

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For instance, I mean thinking about when Daniel Patrick moynihan

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famously decried the rate of out of wedlock parenting at

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the time of a child's birth in black families that

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happened in the late sixties early seventies. Well, that number

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has gone way way higher ever since then. There certainly,

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I think our welfare state bears at least.

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Speaker 4: Part of the blame there.

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Speaker 1: But you know, ultimately, look, I'm observing jew but I

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believe very very firmly in America's Protestant historical tradition, and

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I take, I take a thicker kind of cultural conception

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of positism in America, and I'm getting heer at notions

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like individuality, rebelliousness to an extent, and really kind of

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this notion of the Protestant but has really been bread

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and butter parts of America since the founding. You know,

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whether Prostent or Catholic, Jewish, whatever, if if you come

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to America, you have assimilated into that framework. And that

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really is what's made us great for a very, very

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very long time. The welfare states, you know, as began

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with Wijoe Wilson FDR, really exploited in nineteen sixties with LPJ,

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and then Obama expands it as well. Of course, the

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modern welfare state is a massive review. It has two

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middle fingers straight into the face of that historical pros

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and work ethic, and that's one of the many, many

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reasons why it is insidious and ultimately destructive to our

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American experiment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I was a friend of mine and I

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was out at dinner, and we're definitely at different ends

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of the political spectrum. I mean, I'm more libertarian than conservative,

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but certainly a lot of my values aligned with the right,

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not in the way it's practiced necessarily, but in the theoretical backing.

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And you know, they're like complaining about something in Minneapolis whatever.

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I don't remember what it was about, and I said,

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do you really think we need more Somalis in the country.

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I said, eighty percent of them are on welfare receiving

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some type of public benefit, and then the other twenty

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maybe they're all fraudsters. I don't know the answer, but

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I do know, and it's nothing to do with somalis.

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It's a system that encourages fraud, embraces it doesn't hold

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fraudsters accountable, doesn't put them in jail. And you know,

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I'm just looking at it, and there's no surprises here

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at all. It's the natural outcome.

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Speaker 1: No, there's no surprises at all from the ability. Frankly,

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possibly the innate, inbuilt nature of the well first eight

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to lend itself to fraud. But there's also something that

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is culturally innate in certain communities that lend themselves to

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fraud or taking advantage of others as well. I've seen

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the same stance that you have about the Smali community

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of Minnesota. Congressman Brandon Gill of Texas have him a

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guest on My show Personal Friend. In real life, he's

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doing an amazing work. They're on this issue, among others.

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He went viral on social media for this hearing where

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he was grilling people about the rates of things like

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welfare and fraud in that community there that doesn't happen accidentally.

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There is something fundamentally incompatible with that particular culture at

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this time, at least, I mean again and Milt change,

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but right now there's something fundamentally incompatible with small the

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values let's call them, with the values of I guess

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in this case the welfare state. And you know, it

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kind of reminds me of of the old Milton Freeman

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lawne about open borders and a welfare state. How you

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simply can't have both. I mean, you can't have mass

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uncontrolled immigration, frankly, even just mass completely unvetted legal immigration, right,

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massive immigration without any kind of eye towards dissimilation, I

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towards preserving some sense of unity and decency and cultures

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that you can't have any of that with a massive

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welfare state. And unfortunately that's the way it's been here

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in America for decades.

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Speaker 3: This one, yeah, really has. The interesting thing is the

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shift in the Hispanic population. Conservatives always said once they

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buy into the American dream and the American system, that

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they're going to get more conservative, and then there's many

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different sub cultures of the Hispanic vote. But that is

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actually coming to pass. So that was one prophecy that

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really did come true.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I will know that didn't come true because

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of the problem that was given by Republican k stry

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consultants back during the Bush ministrations. Back then, this notion

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was ubiquitous that if you just give any and you

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try to legalize as many illegal lands as possible, this

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notion of a pathway citizenship. This was Bush's second term

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failed effort to get so called comprehensive immigration reform. This

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is part of the problem with Ruby at one point zero,

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you know, the infamous kind of Gang of eight tobacle

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back in twenty thirteen. Obviously, Marco's has changed to a

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little bit since then, but I mean suffice to say that.

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Speaker 4: Those efforts were not rewarded with larger.

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Speaker 1: Shares of Hispanic vote, perhaps ironically or perhaps innately. It

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took someone like Donald Trump that speaks some very harsh,

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unconventional truths to get this historical share of the Hispanic vote.

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I mean, I don't think it's an accident that you

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looked at and look at the twenty twenty election for instance.

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There when when Donald Trump now loses to Joe Biden,

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you have these heavily Hispanic counties, many of which stay

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with Trump, and twenty twenty four places like Star County,

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Texas is a PoTA County, Texas. Ay down there in

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the Rio Grande Valley. I mean, these are like ninety

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plus percent is Panic counties and they're voting for Donald Trump.

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And guess what those are not the Cubans here in

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South Florida where I live, No, those are Mexicans. But

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and I mean even here in central Florida, I said, Orlando,

483
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there is o'cala County, o'calla county, they formerly Blue County

484
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that has broken red recently too. It's a very heavily

485
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Puerto Rican county. Actually, so it's not even just the

486
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Venezuelans who are fleeing communism. No, I mean, there's been

487
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a real genuine shift there. Now I've heard some recent

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shatter from some Republican consultant types that they say that

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because of the ice raids, are this that that Republicans

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are risk throwing away all of their wins when it

491
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comes to Hispanic voters. They better compromise, they better do

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xyz thing. I'm open to having a conversation personally, but

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I am very skeptical of these sorts of claims because

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they were just demonstrably wrong for a very, very very

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long time. There is very little, if any empirical evidence

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that Hispanic voters reward squishiness on illegal immigration with votes.

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Speaker 4: If anything, they seed to prefer the exact opposite of that.

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Speaker 1: So I'm very skeptical, but I douinitely have heard that

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conversation start to pop up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting, But that's the shifts that take place over

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time in the country. You know, at one time California

502
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was read, New York was read in the late fifties,

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early sixties, and basically they lost their way. And you know,

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the trends occur. So as far as where we're heading

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in the country, you know, the insurrection that's taking place,

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At what point does that just have to be stopped

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by whatever means necessary.

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Speaker 4: Look lawlessness has to be put down.

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Speaker 1: Respect for the rule of law is ultimately separate civilization

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from barbarism. I mean it pretty much ultimately is really

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that symbol. You know, you're a former lawyer. I'm also a.

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Speaker 4: Former slash current lawyer.

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Speaker 1: I am still senior council at the arg three projects

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still bart actually in Texas, all the other live in Florida.

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Speaker 4: The rule of law really.

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Speaker 1: Is one of the ultimate differentiating factors and one of

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things that that has always made America a first world country.

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But what we've seen in place like Minnesota over the

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past month ish, I mean ever since DHS went in

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there following the explosion of the smalllly fraud story, the

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nix S early videos there, all that was what precipitated this,

522
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this Twin Cities Immigration Forcement operation. What we've seen has

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been you know, it says in the Book of Ecclesiastes in

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the Cohela that there's that there's nothing new under the sun, right,

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And we've seen some of these very old discredited talking

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points to arguments be made new again. So I almost

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leapt out of my seat in agony when I was

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watching the Attorney General there, Heith Ellis him when he

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read off his state's complaint against DHS. They filed a

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formal complaint at the time. It's about a little under

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a month ago against christin Noam, against all the folks

532
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there in DHS board patrol, Greg Ravino, and he's there

533
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and he's saying the Tenth Amendment in States Rights means

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that the federal government cannot belong here. And I'm sitting

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there thinking, if you were to say this and like

536
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a fixed Southern accent, the Tenth Amendment in stits ross

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the fedow government does not belong here in Minnesota. I mean,

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that's John C. Calhoun in the eighteen forties. That's the

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whole nullification crisis that did not end well. That's literally

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Orville Faubus standing outside the high school, Little Rock Central

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High School in Arkansas forcing Dwight Eisenhower to send me

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one hundred first Airborne to desegreate Little Run. I mean,

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this argument has been discredited time and time again throughout

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American history.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 1: So, look, it seems to me at this point that

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things are going Minnesota. It's certainly less in the news.

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There's seems like there's less in the way of catastrophic standoffs.

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Tom Holman, who I trust implicitly, seems to be quite

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satisfied at the level of Minnesota statewide and municipal compliance

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with the Feds. I'm a little skeptical, but if Tom

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Holman is satisfied, then I'm satisfy because I really have

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no reason, frankly, to doubt or question his discernment and

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judgment here.

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Speaker 4: But if it were to escalate and pick.

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Speaker 1: Up again there, then I will reiterate what I've been

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saying for a while and now, which is that we

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have a statute on the books literally exactly for this.

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It's called the Instruction at It was passed during the

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Thomas Jarfson presidency eighteen oh seven, who was last invoked

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in the Rodney King riots out of Los Angeles during

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the George HW.

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Speaker 4: Bush administration.

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Speaker 1: It's also, by the way, with what Abraham Lincoln invoked

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after the shots were fired and Fort Sumpter in April eight.

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Speaker 4: And sixty one.

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Speaker 1: When you have insurrectionary behavior, when you have this that

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the federal law is not going to be respected or enforced,

569
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this is the proper remedy there. And again, apparently we've

570
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had a bit of a bit of an easy attention.

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So something of a Dayton I guess you would say

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between Minnesota and the Feds bought off that situation were

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to change.

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Speaker 4: Then there's a statute mister President's two in book.

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Speaker 3: And you know, the federal takeover of d C, which

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clearly you know the federal government has the right to

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is the district. I was in d C like three

578
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four months ago, and a change there was profound. For

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one thing, Trump the master builder, is fixing every government

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building in d C that was a rundown or looked bad.

581
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I mean, the massive amount of construction going on there,

582
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restoring these buildings, the Supreme Court, so many other buildings,

583
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a lot of it he planned his first term. It

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kind of started during Biden and now it's it's really

585
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taken off. But the safety factor was definitely palpable. And

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you know, ye people say, well, you can't send in

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the troops, you know, if they don't want them. And

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yet like people are being saved here, you know, crime

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is down, murders are down. I don't see how the

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left can oppose a policy that is good for lower

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income people, good for everybody, the sense of safety, like

592
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what's happened in New Orleans, same thing, and even though

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they won't admit it, it's the same thing that's happened

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in Minneapolis. You get rid of the hardcore recidivists, especially

595
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the ones that are illegal aliens, You deport them, and

596
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,680
miracle of well, miracle, crime goes down. And yet the

597
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left cannot accept this, Josh, I mean, this is where

598
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I just scratch my head and say, we're in different

599
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,680
belief systems here. There's no way that they can be reached.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, the president does have some unique powers. By

601
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washingtonc As you say, it's the federal district and the

602
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:14,160
Felt government has more direct control. But there are ways

603
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to get involved in other jurisdictions as well. So this

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this notion of cooperation, it goes through the state. It

605
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goes to the governor's office, not to the city. That's why,

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for instance, to use my example of Eisenhower and orvill Fabus,

607
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that's why was the governor and not the mayor of

608
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Little Rock who is standing athwart the high school there?

609
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Because this this notion of cooperation between the National Guard

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and the states, it's only up.

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Speaker 3: To the states.

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Speaker 1: Why do I say that, Well, because if you have

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a blue city in a red state, you mentioned New

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Orleans is a very good example. New Orleans, Saint Louis, Missouri.

615
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You know, have a Memphis, Tennessee. I mean places like this. Frankly,

616
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even Austin, Texas. A lot, a lot of these blue

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cities and red states are totally ripe or absolutely ripe

618
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for for having President Trump send in the National Guard

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with the cooperation of the governor there and just to

620
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reap the results of this. Look, why should you see

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I think I saw this. They just had I could

622
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be right. I think they had one reported homicide, one

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for the entire month of January. I could be misremembering there,

624
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but I'm pretty sure I heard that again. Made there

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are more, but there's only one form reported one, which

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is the lowest number in decades, absolutely in decades. I

627
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mean that is staggering stuff. By the way, the total

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number of homicides in America in the year twenty twenty

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five dropped the lowest number since the McKinley administration since

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the year nineteen hundred, just to around the time McKinley

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was assassinating Teddy roosewelt Stepp, then as the youngest president

632
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at the time. I mean, this is historical stuff. Look,

633
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when it comes to crime, when it comes to border security,

634
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physical security, these are really the things that ultimately do

635
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win over voter. It's very similar to those Hispanic voters

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there in the Rio Grand Value of Texas. I think

637
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that the Hispanic voters want a Cinelola cartel or the

638
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:05,079
other cartels to run rough shot over that border.

639
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Speaker 4: You kidding me?

640
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Speaker 1: I mean they don't want that anything more than the

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blue collar, middle class worker in Northeast DC wants in

642
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gang violence and shots ringing out there on a random

643
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Tuesday or Wednesday night. I mean, no one wants this there.

644
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The solution is law and or the solution is reducing

645
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crime and forcing our laws and forcing border security, getting

646
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people's physical security and their knees and wants and desires

647
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up to a better place there. And ultimately that's how

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you pick up voters in this country, I think.

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Speaker 3: And you know, the left will deny the efficacy of

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Trump's measures. That's guaranteed because I know, like I was

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in New York when Giuliani became mayor, and the turnabout

652
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was so dramatic, the reduction in crime, the perception of

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safety in public spaces, and a general decline in anti

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social behavior among certain groups. And yet now when you

655
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go back, they won't admit Juliani's accomplishments. They say it

656
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was demographically driven, all sorts of ridiculous things. So unfortunately

657
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we can't expect Trump to get the to get the

658
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respect and the credit that he deserves. But hopefully history

659
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will write it. Josh, we want to find out more

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about you. Read your latest articles. Where is the best

661
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place to find you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really appreciate. It's been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: So I read a weekly syndicated column that goes up

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in a lot of places such as Newsweek, The La Times,

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Real Clear, Politics, Daily Signal, and elsewhere. I'm also a

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my stuff also at their website. From Page Magazine, I'm

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senior counsel for the Article three Project article threeproject dot org.

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Follow me on Exit, Josh on his score Hammer and

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then my book also last year, Israel and Civilization, The

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also a final plug guest my daily show, The Josh

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appears every night at ten pm.

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Speaker 3: Excellent. We'll put a link in the show notes to

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this interview on Financial Survival Network dot com so people

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who know where to find you appreciate you coming on.

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It's really done a pleasure and hopefully we'll have you

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on again soon.

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Speaker 4: Forward to it.

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