1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: You were listening to Petlifradio dot com. 2 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Well, good afternoon and welcome to Ask the Bets with 3 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:31,800 Doctor Jeff here on pet Life Radio. We are live, 4 00:00:31,839 --> 00:00:34,759 in fact, maybe the only live broadcast here on pet 5 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,320 Life Radio where you can call in and you can 6 00:00:37,359 --> 00:00:40,399 ask questions easy number eight seven seven three eight five 7 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,719 eight eight eight two. You can also just go on 8 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,159 to pet Life Radio and sort of type in your 9 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,000 question right online, just join the conversation, or you can 10 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:52,840 send me quick email to doctor Jeff. That's Dr Jeff 11 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,560 at petlifradio dot com. 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And I will read it 23 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:33,439 the following week, and again you are entitled to your freebies, 24 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,599 so you can't lose it makes it so easy. And 25 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:38,439 as we did last week, we have a very special 26 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:40,560 guest with us this week. It's a very good friend 27 00:01:40,599 --> 00:01:44,959 of mine, a veinary colleague and way more trained than 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,959 I am. She is a double boarded expert. Just to 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,359 talk about what that means. We all go to bed school, 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,719 we get our dvms, and then we have to go 31 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:56,239 through a process if you want to get specialized. So 32 00:01:56,319 --> 00:01:59,239 let me introduce doctor Justine Lee and Justin why don't 33 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:00,879 you tell us what you had to go through to 34 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:04,159 become not only boarded once, but boarded twice? 35 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,319 Speaker 3: Well, first off, thanks for having me on the show. 36 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:08,879 Part of being a board sort of fed specialist just 37 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,400 means that we're really geeky and went to school or 38 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:15,879 went to additional training through an internship or residency. So 39 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:19,759 it's usually a one year internship and a three year residency. 40 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:23,360 So I did an additional five years of training after 41 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:26,240 Vetnory School just to specialize in the field of emergency 42 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:29,000 critical care and then also toxicology. 43 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,599 Speaker 2: Now, did you have to do a separate residency for toxicology. 44 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:33,000 It just kind of came along with it. 45 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:36,479 Speaker 3: No, that one was a unique one. Based on working 46 00:02:36,599 --> 00:02:39,400 at an animal poison control and being the associate director 47 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:44,479 there for five years, so I'm basically credentialed. In took 48 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:48,280 really hard exams and thankfully was able to pass well. 49 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: Obviously everybody out there, Justine is really smart and that's 50 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,560 a good thing, and just you'll tell from the personality 51 00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:56,199 an amazing personality as well. 52 00:02:56,319 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 4: Justin and I are working together on. 53 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,439 Speaker 2: A project that we were still hoping to get off the ground, 54 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:03,759 which to be really fun when we do so. Anyway, 55 00:03:03,759 --> 00:03:06,280 we will certainly keep you posted on that. So you know, 56 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:08,360 I thought it would be smart to have Justine here 57 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,520 for a number of things. First of all, when one 58 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,520 of the bigger calls. The most major problems we get 59 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,120 when we talk about emergency care is I do my 60 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,599 own emergencies and I take all the phone calls, and 61 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,639 it's amazing how many calls come in and the problem 62 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:27,120 is my dog or cat got into something. And you know, 63 00:03:27,159 --> 00:03:29,360 it's amazing because we have to know a what is 64 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:32,479 toxic and what isn't, and not only what presents with 65 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,120 a potentially with a problem, but how much of the ingestion? 66 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 4: How much does your dog. 67 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,919 Speaker 2: Or cat have to eat to be toxic? For example, 68 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,120 you know I get calls all the time. One of 69 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:45,400 the more common calls we can get because it has 70 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:49,400 a bad rap is chocolate. So you know, I think 71 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:50,879 you have to know, Justine, Why don't you just walk 72 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,840 us through the different types of chocolate and roughly the 73 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:56,439 amounts that, say a twenty five pounds versus the fifty 74 00:03:56,479 --> 00:03:58,840 pound dog would have to eat to have us worry 75 00:03:58,919 --> 00:03:59,960 whether it's a problem or not. 76 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, when it comes to chocolate, remember 77 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,960 the darker and the more bitter the chocolate, the more 78 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,360 poisonous it is. And this is actually the worst, one 79 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,599 of the worst weekends for chocolate poisoning with Easter coming up, 80 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,360 so Easter, Halloween, Christmas, all of our holidays seem to 81 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:20,600 revolve around chocolate, So make sure you keep the basket 82 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:22,879 out of reach so your dog doesn't get into it. 83 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:27,079 With white chocolate, white chocolate honestly barely has any real 84 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:29,399 chocolate in it, so it's not going to be a 85 00:04:29,439 --> 00:04:32,680 problem in terms of chocolate poisoning. If your dog gets 86 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,439 into white chocolate, it would take honestly, dozens of pounds 87 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,680 to cause a poisoning issue. With white chocolate, that said, 88 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:41,959 your dog will get sick from all the sugar in the. 89 00:04:42,199 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 4: Back and white chocolate exactly. 90 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 3: So when it comes to dark chocolate again, baker's chocolate, 91 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:51,879 even one ounce can poison a thirty to forty pound dog, 92 00:04:52,199 --> 00:04:54,079 So you want to be really careful. So most of 93 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,319 the milk chocolates that people have, for example, you know 94 00:04:57,399 --> 00:05:00,600 something in the easter basket, depending on the side of 95 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:03,480 the dog, one or two snickers, one or two little 96 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,959 chocolate eggs aren't going to be a big deal regardless 97 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:08,079 of the size of the dog. But again it's really 98 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:09,600 dependent on the size of the dog. 99 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: And how about things like when they say, my dog 100 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,199 ate my chocolate cupcake? 101 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 3: Oh, great question. So baked goods very rarely have enough chocolate, 102 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:24,199 and the poisoning concern is theobromine, which is a methyl xantheine. 103 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,720 And again it's not poisonous to us because we don't 104 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,240 usually ingest enough. But there's very very little true theobromine 105 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:34,639 or true chocolate in baked goods. So again, if your 106 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:39,319 dog gets a significant amount, even like a tray of brownies, 107 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:42,560 if you actually look on the ingredients cocoa. It's pretty 108 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,680 low an ingredient list, so thankfully not going to be 109 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,439 a big big deal. 110 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,759 Speaker 2: And so I know they probably get sick from pancrea 111 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,480 tiders for something before the chocolate toxicity by eating all 112 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,040 the fat or whatever in the bake goods. Now here's 113 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,319 another one, you know we have years ago and again 114 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,800 when I think back, what I used to play with 115 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,439 my dogs, and I have labrador and labradors love to catch, 116 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,920 so I would often the favorite thing for them to 117 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,959 jump up and catch and for me to throw at 118 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,879 them were grapes. And all of a sudden, a few 119 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 years back whatever we start hearing about the toxicity of 120 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:16,480 raises and grapes. Clearly, none of my labs either ate 121 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,319 enough or had whatever it was in them that made. 122 00:06:20,079 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 4: These grapes toxic. 123 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: What exactly is the problem and why is it the 124 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,839 some dog seemed to be fine and others not. And 125 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:30,600 just how toxic would for example, a single raisin bee 126 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,040 to a dog who is sensitized. 127 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:36,759 Speaker 3: Great question. So I also used to kill my childhood dog, 128 00:06:37,079 --> 00:06:39,839 his pregnant zone, his medication in a grape every single 129 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:43,079 day of his life, and grape and raven poisoning wasn't 130 00:06:43,079 --> 00:06:46,600 actually discovered until two thousand and one, so while humans 131 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,920 have been eating it forever, again, we didn't discover this 132 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,480 until just recently, and so honestly, there's no toxic dose 133 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,079 that we use anymore. It's what we call idiosyncratic. That's 134 00:06:57,079 --> 00:06:59,759 a fancy way for us to say we don't know 135 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,360 which dog is going to be sensitive to it, and 136 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:06,120 it's not dose dependent necessarily. So some dogs can eat 137 00:07:06,199 --> 00:07:08,759 just a couple of ounces of grapes and go on 138 00:07:08,759 --> 00:07:11,600 a kidney failure. Some dogs can have grapes or raisins 139 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,720 every single day of their life and never have a 140 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:16,839 problem from it. So my general rule is if your 141 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:19,800 dog eats one or two raisins, one or two grapes, 142 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,399 or even eats a cookie like oatmeal raisin cookie, it's 143 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:25,839 probably not gonna be a big deal. But my general 144 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:28,920 rule is if it's more than a handful, it's going 145 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:31,240 to be a problem, especially if you have a small dog. 146 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:34,240 So one of doubt, always call your veterinarian first because 147 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,639 they can give you advice of how to induce vomiting 148 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:40,079 at home. So there's not going to be any chance 149 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,480 of any poisoning to begin with. 150 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 4: Now, also another one. 151 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:44,319 Speaker 2: You know, there are a lot of plants and things 152 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,519 that are out there that people think are toxic. Some 153 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,040 of them are a bit overplayed. For example, you know 154 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,000 points SETI, I think you'd have to eat a bushel 155 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,040 to have a problem, or if it's even toxic at all. 156 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,759 But there is one plant. Well, first of all, we 157 00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:00,000 know there's a plant that really affects cats very very significantly, 158 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,639 and that's lilies, certain lilies anyway, and even so much 159 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:05,839 is it's true that even the water that the plants 160 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:07,879 are sitting in, if the cat drinks that water, God, 161 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:09,040 could be very toxic to them. 162 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:12,439 Speaker 3: Correct, that's right. In fact, I hate lily poisoning because 163 00:08:12,439 --> 00:08:14,680 my own sister's cat died from it. It died of 164 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,000 kidney failure, and it was a kitten that I had 165 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,399 given her. And so the frustrating thing was her housemate's 166 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:23,800 boyfriend had sent up a bouquet of flowers and she 167 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,800 just had no idea they were poisonous. So this time 168 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:29,240 of the year we see a huge fight in the 169 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:33,360 emergency rooms of easter lily poisoning, and again we don't 170 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:37,279 know the exact poisons. It still hasn't been chemically identified, 171 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,919 but we know it's water soluble, so one or two leaves, 172 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:44,000 even the pollen, and like you said, a cat just 173 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,120 drinking out of the water out of the vase can 174 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:50,679 cause severe kidney failure. Thankfully, the sooner you recognize it, 175 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:53,559 the sooner and less extensively we can treat it. But 176 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,840 most cats need to be hostileized for at least two 177 00:08:55,919 --> 00:08:57,840 days we can make sure that they don't go into 178 00:08:58,039 --> 00:08:59,759 life threatening kidney failure from it. 179 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 4: Now. 180 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,159 Speaker 2: Also, one thing that everyone out there needs to know 181 00:09:02,279 --> 00:09:05,159 is that there's a lot of really great As I said, 182 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,960 the Internet is a great source of information, but it's 183 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,440 also a great source of misinformation, and so it's a 184 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,360 good thing if you want to get some background info 185 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,200 going onto the internet, but ultimately you need to talk 186 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,120 to your veterinarian. And here's one that I want to get. 187 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,120 Before I tell you what the internet says, I want 188 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:25,679 to hear it from the master. And interestingly, I had 189 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,679 two calls this week about the same plant toxin that 190 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,000 I can't tell you the last time we even talked 191 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:36,320 about it, and I do know it is a toxic plant. 192 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,320 And the question, I guess really became how much would 193 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,279 one need to eat to be toxic? 194 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:42,919 Speaker 4: And this was oleander. 195 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: Now oleander, there's a cardiac drug that we often use 196 00:09:47,159 --> 00:09:50,200 in practice called digitoxin or digitalist, which is a cardiac 197 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,120 like a side and that is derived from the oleander plant. 198 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,240 But Justine, how much oleander would a dog have to 199 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,519 ingest to get enough toxic effect from the plant itself. 200 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: That's a great question. I guess I'll practice it by 201 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,600 saying that ninety percent of the plants out there just 202 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:10,360 cause vomiting and diarrhea. And so it's really hard when 203 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:13,039 you quote unquote stuff on the internet to look for 204 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,559 what kind of poisonous plants there are, because most of 205 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,320 them are considered quote unquote poisonous. But thankfully most dogs 206 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,679 and cats don't ingest enough for it to be an issue. 207 00:10:21,799 --> 00:10:24,840 There's really only one or two plants that will kill 208 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,879 either a dog or a cat, and so for cats 209 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,279 it's definitely lilies, anything in the Lilium or hemorercalis species 210 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,840 like eesulilies or tiger lilies or asiatic lilies. In dogs, 211 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,279 we actually don't worry about oleander quite as much as 212 00:10:40,279 --> 00:10:44,080 we do in horses or even cows or goats or sheep. 213 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:48,639 And the reason why is oleander is you're right, totally deadly, 214 00:10:49,039 --> 00:10:51,960 but it depends on how much they ingest. So for 215 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,960 a horse or for cow, they would only need to 216 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,480 ingest about ten to twenty leaves or as little as 217 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:03,600 zero point one pounds of the plant. Thankfully, dogs rarely 218 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,120 chew into this, And honestly, I've been practicing for about 219 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:09,879 seventeen years, I've never seen an oleander poisoning. That said, 220 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,960 it's deadly, and if you haven't watched the movie White Oleander, 221 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:18,320 it'll show you how poisonous it is. So Thankfully, we 222 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,600 don't see this poisoning very much in dogs and cats. 223 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,480 It's more of a large animal poisoning that we see. 224 00:11:23,639 --> 00:11:26,240 But I would say, especially since you practiced in California 225 00:11:26,279 --> 00:11:29,799 and oleanders everywhere, even if you see your dogs one 226 00:11:29,879 --> 00:11:32,240 or two leaves, I would still bring them into your 227 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,919 veterinarian so they can be decontaminated and treated right away. 228 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 4: Gotcha. 229 00:11:36,919 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that I got a call and 230 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,720 the client was concerned. Dog was like, I don't know, 231 00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:45,720 a seventy pound dog and possibly ate eight leaves, and 232 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:48,159 the internet, you know, basically said, oh my god, you 233 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,679 know you're gonna have a dead dog, you got to 234 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,720 brush them in. I was not as worried, so you 235 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:55,000 might want to check with your veterinarian first. Now, how 236 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,919 about deefen bakia. 237 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,159 Speaker 3: Great question. Diffen Bakia is commonly known as philodendron, and 238 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,600 it's a really common house plant because it's really hard 239 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,320 to kill. So bailing needs any light, bailing needs any water, 240 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,720 so it's really common in offices and homes, and it 241 00:12:10,759 --> 00:12:13,639 usually grows as a fine. Different bocket is what we 242 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,960 call an insoluble calcium oxalate, and this is where I 243 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,480 see a lot of wrong information on the internet. It 244 00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:23,159 is not a soluble oxalate. It does not cause kidney failure. 245 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,919 So an insoluble calcium oxylate, honestly, it just causes intense 246 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,399 foaming of the mouth. And so there's these microscopic crystals 247 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,159 or what we call wraphites that are in the leaves, 248 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,759 and when you chew on them, that causes intense burning sensation, 249 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,240 so pats and dogs will foam and frost excessively. My 250 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,559 little suggestion is just to make sure to flush out 251 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,919 the mouth. So you can simply do that by offering 252 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,000 some cantun of water, not the oil, but just the 253 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,720 water or even chicken broth to help flush those crystals 254 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:54,759 out in the mouth. You can give a small amount 255 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:57,279 of milk or even yogurt and that'll bind with the 256 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,279 insoluble calcium oxylate crystals. And honestly, unless there's more significant 257 00:13:02,279 --> 00:13:06,600 clinical signs like vomiting or diarrhea, or if your dog 258 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,240 or pat continues to boom, most of the time it 259 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:10,440 can be managed at home. 260 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,279 Speaker 2: Well, that's it's great. So we're gonna take a quick 261 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,200 break here. I want to hear from you guys. Eight 262 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,159 seven seven three eight five eight eight eight two. 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And you know interesting before the show, 313 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,360 we were just talking about different things that our dogs 314 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:24,679 like to do. 315 00:16:24,759 --> 00:16:26,399 Speaker 4: And I have lots of animals. 316 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: I have thirteen and one of my labradors I have 317 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,360 two and this is I mean, he's now thirteen and 318 00:16:31,399 --> 00:16:33,720 he doesn't jump up from many things, but he still 319 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:36,679 jumps up for this one. And that is that it 320 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:38,639 sounds kind of gross. So I can see you saying 321 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:40,960 out there and go, oh my god, this guy's too much. 322 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,799 But when I brush my teeth, you know, we have 323 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,200 that extra toothpaste stuff. And we're talking about MINTI flavors. 324 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,519 How some products with mint some animals like and some 325 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,879 animals don't like. Well, this labrador, he will jump up, 326 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:56,240 put his front paws right on the sink and he 327 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,919 instead of me spitting out this stuff, you know, of 328 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,159 the foam front the toothpaste, he wants to lick it 329 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,640 right off of my mouth. He is disgusting, but I 330 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,160 let him do it because he likes it so much 331 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,000 and it is his joy in life. And of course 332 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,319 Justine brought up a good point, and that is that 333 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:17,079 some toothpaste have xylotol. And Justine, because of the many 334 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,559 many products that we find xylotol in out there, I 335 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:23,680 think people need to know just how potentially what it is, 336 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,079 what is used for, where we find it, and how 337 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,000 dangerous it is. 338 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:28,079 Speaker 4: Let's talk xylotol. 339 00:17:28,599 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 3: Sure, So the most important thing I remember with xylotol 340 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:35,039 is if you see anything that says sugar free, you 341 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,480 have to make sure that there's absolutely no chance that 342 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:41,279 there's any kind of xylotol in there. And the main 343 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,279 reason why is because it's super poisonous to dogs when 344 00:17:44,279 --> 00:17:48,480 they get into it. Xylotol is basically a natural sugar 345 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:52,240 free substance and it basically has no calories. So it's 346 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,440 really popular nowadays in all these products. So we used 347 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,640 to think it was just some gums and mints, but 348 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:02,519 unfortunates in everything nowadays, So things like chewable multi vitamins, 349 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,039 even pre natal vitamins, over the counter melatonin that's not 350 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,480 even chewable, it'll have a xylotol to have a slight 351 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:14,640 sweet taste when people swallow it. It's in mouthwashes too, tastes. 352 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,960 It's even in dental floss and nasal sprays. So one 353 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,559 in doubt if your dog choose into anything at all, 354 00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:23,440 make sure you look at the product to see that 355 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:25,880 xylotal is not in there. Most of the time with 356 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,039 gums and mints, they'll list the order of ingredients in 357 00:18:29,079 --> 00:18:32,160 how they appear. So my little rule is if xylotol 358 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,680 is listed at the top, within the top three to 359 00:18:34,759 --> 00:18:37,880 five ingredients, it's going to be a poisoning issue, one 360 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,039 in doubt. You can always call the company to see 361 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:43,480 if it's poisonous. You can always call your veterinarian, or 362 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,319 you can call ASPCA Animal Poison Control for life saving invites. 363 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 4: Also again it shugutless gum. Guys. 364 00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 2: You know, dogs obviously don't chew the gum, but they 365 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,359 swallow it pretty well, so everyone out there. And a 366 00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:57,279 lot of the breast mints and those stuff, you know, 367 00:18:57,319 --> 00:18:59,480 the little containers that you pop in your mouth after eating 368 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:02,200 because you want that fresh breath. Dogs like that stuff. 369 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,680 As they said, my dog loves minty stuff. So we 370 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:08,279 got to be very careful that we avoid the xylotol 371 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:11,920 anything else with Easter anything else, justine that you want 372 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,079 to tell us. Other than we talked about chalcolate, We 373 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,920 talked about some of the plants. What are some of 374 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,039 the other dangers that you expect phone calls come this 375 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:19,839 next weekend. 376 00:19:20,079 --> 00:19:22,279 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I would say, even though most people 377 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:25,480 don't think about it, it's actually the easter grass in 378 00:19:25,519 --> 00:19:29,519 an easter basket. So that plastic green state grass that 379 00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:32,440 you put at the bottom of your child's easter basket. 380 00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:36,319 It's basically this long string that poses what we call 381 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,079 a linear form body risk. It's your cat eats it. 382 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,920 So cat flight to chwo on long things because they're 383 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,039 curious the ribbon, yarn, string, easter grass. And what can 384 00:19:46,079 --> 00:19:48,640 happen is it gets stuck in the stomach and as 385 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,759 a stomach or the intestines contract, it can actually stall 386 00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:55,960 through the intestines and cause really severe infections of the abdomen. 387 00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:58,680 So if you have a cat house or even a dog, 388 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,119 absolutely no easter in the basket. 389 00:20:01,519 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: And also one thing I should mention, speaking of linear 390 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,359 foreign bodies, we call string foreign bodies. And Justine mentioned 391 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,079 just a second ago with xylotol that believe not some 392 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,440 dental flasses. We'll have xylotol because you want that sweet 393 00:20:13,519 --> 00:20:15,880 kind of taste. So what do you do often, you know, 394 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,440 you take your piece of dental floss and you use 395 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,680 it and you toss it in the bathroom trash, which 396 00:20:21,079 --> 00:20:24,839 often is not covered. Cats will love to play with string, 397 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,720 they just really do. That's the old you know, you 398 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,599 can think of the cat with the old ball of 399 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,440 yarn and battling the yarn around. I mean yes, it's adorable, 400 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,119 but when they try to eat this stuff and then 401 00:20:35,279 --> 00:20:37,440 the one part of the string gets stuck somewhere in 402 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,880 the stomach or sometimes around the base of the tongue, 403 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:42,519 so it can't go anymore. But part of the other 404 00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:45,680 end of the string is coursing through the intestine, and 405 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,599 that causes a terrible problem because then as the string 406 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,079 cannot be passed because it's stuck on something, as they said, 407 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,079 off in the base of the tongue, it has almost 408 00:20:54,079 --> 00:20:56,400 like what we call a piano wire effect, and it 409 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,039 starts sawing through the intestine and it is a major 410 00:21:01,279 --> 00:21:05,720 major problem, often surgical. It can actually be deadly because 411 00:21:05,759 --> 00:21:09,160 once you have a tear in the intestine, that sets 412 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,920 up what we call a paratonitis and it could be 413 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:14,680 really dangerous. So that's another product you want to be 414 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,079 aware of, is dental flaws or anything that you throw 415 00:21:17,079 --> 00:21:19,880 away in a garbage that is stringing, the ties from 416 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,039 a newspaper, anything, any ribbons. Make sure that your cats 417 00:21:24,279 --> 00:21:25,920 don't have access to those. 418 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 3: Absolutely. In fact, I say flush it to be. 419 00:21:28,599 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 4: Honest, that's absolutely. 420 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: You know. One of the things also we talked about 421 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,599 and I was talking to a client the other day, 422 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,319 we were planning her puppies schedule on when to spay 423 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,599 her dog, and one of the points I made it 424 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,599 was a large breed dog was that to consider, and 425 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,720 again we had some time for her to think about it. 426 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,200 That many of us now are recommending that when we 427 00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:52,720 spay a female, especially because you're already inside the abdomen, 428 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:55,160 if it's a large breed, deep tested dog, we are 429 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,359 recommending tacking the stomach to the body wall while we're 430 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,920 in the surgery to prevent a deadly condition that is 431 00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:05,799 very possible potential later on in life called GDV or 432 00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:09,519 gastric dileitation volvulus or it's a bloat. What do you 433 00:22:09,519 --> 00:22:11,440 guys think about that, Justine, I think. 434 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 3: That's so important. So when we quote unquote staple or 435 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,680 tap down the stomach, we're basically surgically just repositioning the 436 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,160 stomach and actually futuring or stitching it to the body 437 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,119 wall so it can't rotate. And this is a must 438 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,000 do if you have a standard poodle, German shepherd, a 439 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:32,880 great Gain or one of these breeds that has a 440 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,680 really deep chest. I'll even do it in bassetts also. 441 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,880 So this in my opinion, especially when we're saying a 442 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,319 female dog, we know we're going to go into the abdomen. 443 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:43,680 I think it's really important to do because it could 444 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,920 prevent a really expensive surgery down the line or something 445 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,519 that's deadly. So absolutely, I totally agree with you, doctor Jeff. 446 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:53,400 It's the way to go for a large breed dog. 447 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: And I think it's very important because if you I mean, 448 00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:58,359 it's one of those things also that when bloat comes on, 449 00:22:58,519 --> 00:23:01,680 it sort of comes on quick and for some reason, 450 00:23:01,839 --> 00:23:04,359 it's not always linked. And this is the I guess 451 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,759 the big puzzle to immediate activity, because I know it happens. 452 00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 4: You mentioned great Danes. 453 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I actually get nervous when we board a 454 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,920 great day at my hospital because for some reason why 455 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,480 I don't know, but it seems to happen when they're 456 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,240 even relaxed in in a small run, or they're not 457 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:25,519 even very active and running around, and it's worrisome. I 458 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,079 can't tell you how many times we've had a dog 459 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,839 that will bloat or stories I've heard of dogs bloating 460 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,079 even when they're boarding and not active, and it's potentially deadly. 461 00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 3: I agree, and honestly, you know, there's been a lot 462 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,880 of studies to look at you know, whether or not 463 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,680 it's exercise related, whether or not it's food related, does 464 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,640 it help if the food bolls elevated. In my general 465 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,359 rule is the more that your dog tants, the more 466 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,920 it's going to swallow air, and that can lead to 467 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,920 the bloating, your stomach filling with gas, and once it 468 00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:57,240 fills so much, it's more likely to rotate. And so 469 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,480 when in doubt, I always tried to be on the 470 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:02,519 safe side and potentially soak the kibble a little bit 471 00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:06,279 so it doesn't expand rapidly or feed and loose bowls 472 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:08,599 where it takes your dog a longer time to eat, 473 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,160 especially if your dog wolves down food right away. I 474 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,880 used to try to avoid exercise, you know, fifteen twenty 475 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,920 minutes before or immediately after eating to prevent it. And again, 476 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:22,079 preventative gastropepsi at the time of the stay is one 477 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:23,720 of the most important things that you can do. 478 00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: You know, I have for two of my five dogs. 479 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:29,640 I am so impressed with them, I actually sell them 480 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,200 in my office. These no gulp bowls. Basically it takes 481 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,480 the big round food bowl and it has a centerpiece 482 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:40,000 that comes up dividing the food bowl into four quadrants, 483 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,799 and then each of the quadrants is narrowed at one point, 484 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,880 so the dog cannot literally stick his whole face inside 485 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,480 the bowl and gobble the food in two seconds flat. 486 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,480 I mean to watch my dogs eat, especially the labradors. 487 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,759 You think that they haven't seen food in months, and 488 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,599 if I allowed them, they would probably off a whole 489 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,000 bag at once. So anything that you can do if 490 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,079 you have a dog that is just that fast of 491 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,079 an eater, it would be very wise to look into 492 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,279 some of these bulls. I saw another one that it 493 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,319 forces the dog. The area where they actually can eat 494 00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:16,799 the food from is only a part of the bowl. 495 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,720 The rest is like a it's like a maze, and 496 00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:22,440 they learn to have to paw the food right with 497 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:26,000 take a paw and roll the food into the one 498 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,039 area that's large enough for them to put their snout into, 499 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,359 so instead of gobbling the food in four seconds, it 500 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,039 takes them about fifteen minutes to polish off their food. 501 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,240 And once they learn how to do it, it's really cool. 502 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,039 I haven't used it yet, but I saw a little 503 00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,880 video about it, and I thought that is really clever 504 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,000 because it really slows the dogs down and it keeps 505 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:47,839 them occupied for at least fifteen minutes while they're trying 506 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:48,799 to gobble their food down. 507 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 4: So I thought that was a great idea. 508 00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:54,319 Speaker 3: I think it's idea too. It's great for environmental enrichment exactly. 509 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,319 Speaker 2: It keeps them busy, it keeps them, keeps some ockpie. 510 00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:58,759 And if you have a dog who is suffers from 511 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,400 severe separation anxiety, boy, you can give them some food 512 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,400 in his bowl about you know, fifty to twenties before 513 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,960 you leave it. And they're just they're occupied, They're gonna 514 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:07,519 let you go there. They're gonna notice you walked out 515 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:10,200 the door. So anyway, it is that time we have 516 00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:14,039 to say goodbye, call it quit. Justine, Doctor Justine Lee, 517 00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:16,039 I want to thank you for joining me. Anytime you 518 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:17,519 want to come back, let me know we'd love to 519 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:22,039 have you. And if you have any questions anything, questions 520 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:27,119 about toxicities, about emergencies, go ahead and you can email 521 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:29,559 me at doctor Jeff Dr Jeff at pet Life Radio. 522 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 4: I will pass them on to Justine. 523 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: You will get your your proceeds product, you will get 524 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,240 your cong toy. And an answer to your question, isn't 525 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:40,680 life brand What would be worse? 526 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:42,599 Speaker 4: What can be better? I say nothing could be better. 527 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,279 Speaker 2: So we'll see you back here next week here on 528 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,359 Ask the Bets with Doctor Jeff on pet Life Radio. 529 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 4: And once again, Justine, thanks. 530 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: For joining us, Thanks for having me on the show. 531 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:52,519 Speaker 4: Jeff. 532 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,519 Speaker 1: Let's talk pets every week on demand only on petlife 533 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,000 radio dot com. 534 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:01,799 Speaker 4: What a Boy