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pik and Yona Show. John Field has is here with

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me today and we are once again visiting with mister

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william Slynd. Are you doing, mister Lynn.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Life in Cleveland is good.

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Speaker 1: Good, good.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: So, the last time you were on, we said that

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we'd try to have you on for Trump's hundred days

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in and it's probably getting closer to two hundred now,

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but you know it's there's still stuff to talk about,

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so close enough for yeah, well pretty much. Yeah, why

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don't you just launch and tell us what you think

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of the Trump administration so far.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's one thing that President Trump has done that

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is of transcendent importance, and I don't think people understand

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how important it is. He has shown that you can

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defy and indeed attack cultural Marxism. He's got it on

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the run by his administration in every one of its

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cabinet departments is going through and ripping out the cultural

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Marxist infrastructure that the Biden administration put in. And of

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course Biden himself was pretty much a puppet of the

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cultural Marxists in his administration. He didn't know what he

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was doing and saying most of the time he wasn't

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himself a cultural Marxist. I knew him slightly from when

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I was US Senate staff, but he was pretty much

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an empty vessel that got empty or over time. So

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they just used his administration to ram this stuff also

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known as woke and DEI and political correctness, but it's

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all actually the cultural Marxism of the Frontcort School to

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ram this through government. And Trump has been taking this

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on directly, not secretly, not apologizing, etc. Taking it on frontally,

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taking it on directively and beating it. And this example

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is spreading here in Ohio. The legislature just passed to

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bill the governor signed it demanding things like diversity of

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viewpoint in all state fund universities and colleges. Of course,

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diversity as the cultural Marxists use the term, does not

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include diversity of viewpoints. They are going through the universities

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demanding they take out all the DEI crap, everything that

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smacks of cultural Marxism. So this is a revolution. And

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the reason I say it's a transcendental important is by

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doing this, Trump is getting the United States off the

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path toward fourth generation War. The resistance to cultural Marxism

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in the heartland has been building now for quite some time,

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and it's been reaching the point where people are saying,

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at a certain point, we're going to have to fight,

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meaning I mean real fighting with guns, and that future

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has now been sidetracked because nobody wants to start a

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fourth generation war in this country to fight something that's

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already being beaten. If our choice was to have our

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kids endlessly conditioned to be good cultural Marxists, then yes

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we were going to fight. But that's no longer the case.

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which is war waged by non state entities that brings

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about both results from and brings about the collapse of states,

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there's no appreciation of how important it is that Trump

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has gone after this and gone after it successfully. Again.

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that the natives are worshiping and terror and broken off

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its nose and shown everybody that yes, you can defy

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this and get away with it. So that's, as I say,

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that's his most important achievement. Obviously, in other matters, closing

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the southern border showed yes, it's true, you can control

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the border. These statements, oh you can't possibly control it

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were complete nonsense. It was left open because the Biden

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administration wanted it left open. The cultural Marxists will do

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anything in their power to destroy traditional Western culture and

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any country that exemplifies it, so inundating it. And of

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course it's been much worse in Europe because the immigrants

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have been masle amherentt least much of the Christian Inundating

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a country and people from another culture is a good

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way to destroy the culture that's already there. Invasion by

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immigration is more dangerous, not less than invasion by a

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foreign army, because eventually a foreign army goes home, but

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the immigrants stay and unless they are culturated successfully, they

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permanently change the cultural landscape in the country they've invaded.

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to become either a Christian or part of a secular society.

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be or not. So again, a very important achievement. He

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has failed completely in the area of controlling the deficit

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and the debt. We are heading for a massive international

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debt and international debt and financial crisis that could easily

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rival the Great Depression. In his defense, I'll say this

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can only be dealt with on a bipartisan basis, and

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at present nothing is possible in Washington on a bipartisan basis,

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nothing of significance. He's sold out his base to at

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least some extent. On foreign policy, we didn't vote for

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obombing mission against Iran. He seems to have gotten away

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with it. Iran's not in a position now to retaliate.

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But this wasn't why he was elected. He was elected

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to keep us out of foreign wars. We're now getting

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more deeply involved with Ukraine. He was elected to get

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us out of that. The whole US military's orienting on China.

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Now Russia and China are nuclear powers. You're playing games

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here with the possibility of losing cities with millions of

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Americans in them. Again, this isn't what he was elected

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to do. So on foreign policy, I did a column

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for Traditional Right not too long ago. I asked him

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the question, is he being co opted by the neocons?

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And unfortunately there's increasing evidence that that is the case. So,

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as with all presidents, it's a mixed bag. But the

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one transcendent achievement of President Trump that justifies all the

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support most of us gave him the election is by

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showing you can defy and defeat cultural Marxism. He's gotten

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the country off the road to fourth generation war, and

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that is that is a transcendental importance because it would

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mean the end of America.

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Speaker 3: Mister Fieldhouse, do you have anything I think I agree

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with basically all of your points, sir, And yeah, I

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definitely I'd have to echo the part you said about

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the need. What Trump was essentially elected for was to

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stop us from getting into wars. And as you said it,

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every faction wants to get us involved in some more,

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whether it's Iran and support of Israel, or it's this

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absurd idea we're going to fight a land war simultaneously

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with both the PRC and Russia, which, as you said,

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have nuclear weapons and can actually destroy us. We need

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adults in the room and adults who understand real power politics,

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understand you shouldn't deal with problems that can cause grievous

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harm to you, sir.

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Speaker 2: The path of the Ukraine situation, there's a very very

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Bismarckian solution, and that is the US and Russia make

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an agreement. Ukraine has left sitting in the hallway to

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find out what's going to happen to it. That's how

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Bismarck and the great powers of the time operated. And

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the deal is Russia gets Crimea, it gets the Dawn Bass,

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and it gets a corridor connecting the two. But Ukraine

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gets compensation. This was one of the principles of nineteenth

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century European diplomacy. Russia seeds Russian held East Prussia to

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Ukraine and builds a heavy whole railroad connecting West Ukraine

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to the Port of Kin expert on the Baltic So

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what Ukraine would get out of it would be not

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only a second port through which to export its grain,

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but a second sea that is now completely under NATO

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control since Finland and Sweden joined NATO. And Russia would

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have to buy the territories that Ukraine seeded, and it's

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obviously they're not going to come she buying territory. We've

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done in Russels. We bought the Louisiana purchase, we bought Alaska.

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This was again a normal part of adjusting boundaries in

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earlier traditional great power diplomacy. But the key is the

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only way this war is going to be solved is

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if Russia and the United States sit down and come

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up with the solution and inform everybody else what's going

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to happen. As simple as that.

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Speaker 1: I have this insane theory. The reason I call it

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insane is because I've said it and people think it's insane.

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It just came out that the weapons that were sending

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over there just recently are being paid by Europe. I

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had insane theory about a month ago that Russia and

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the United States are working to use Ukraine to give

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Europe its own Vietnam, basically to just bleed Europe dry

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by making them pay for this war going forward, and

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that Russia is okay with it because Russia is Russia.

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their own national offense as members of NATO, but suddenly

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they'll do well. Three are spent three times as much

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for Ukraine. I got you off, sir, well.

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Speaker 2: I think, first of all, there's no understanding along these

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lines between the US and Russia. Could one argue that

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this is what is the facto happening slightly but Europe

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isn't paying a terribly high price for all of this.

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of their purchases of US weapons to go on to Ukraine.

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do that. This business where they've said we're all going

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to bring our defense but spending up to five percent.

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not what's going to happen, but it might bring it

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up to between two and three percent. They can handle that.

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rearmament is a way to boost their own economies producing tanks,

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producing weapons. I mean, it's exactly what Germany did in

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the thirties to create full employment. So I think that

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that would be reading a little too much into the situation.

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telling the Europeans, Okay, it's time your bewened. You've been

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bottle fed now for how long seventy five years when

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we first join NATO. General Eisenhower not yet President that

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if we're still in this ten years from now it

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will have been a huge mistake. Well, it's now three

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quarters of a century, and so yes, it's time for

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the baby to have his bottle be taken away and

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he'd be given real food. And Europe is entirely capable

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of defending itself. It has been ever since the French

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under Charles Degau developed its own nuclear force. We didn't understand.

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and nobody there understood that the Soviet Union situation was

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not a mirror of ours. They faced three independent hostile

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nuclear powers, France, China, and the United States. If they

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invaded Europe and got into a nuclear war with France

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and lost the ten largest cities in the Soviet Union,

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where would the Soviet Union be as a power relative

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to China and the United States, both of which would

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have been untouched. So by the time you had the

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French nuclear deterrent, essentially the idea of a Soviet invasion

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of Western Europe was off the table, but we generated

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its actly what Eisenhower later warned about the military industrial

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congressional complex. That was his original phrase. Sherman Adams got

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him to take congressional out because he said, he just

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make problems with the hell but that's what it is

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and the look, and it was determined to keep the

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money flowing. It's doing the same thing now with China,

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puffing the dragon as I call. But there's a good

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as the US and the Soviet Union were very careful

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not to do during the Cold War, because you're quickly

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on the escalatory ladder. Whoever's losing conventionally is facing enormous

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political pressure to redeem their situation by going nuclear. So

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the whole notion of conventional wars with Russia or China

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Speaker 1: Popka, you have something, mister Field does I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I agree with all points so far, sir.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good. Then I'm going to hit some of the

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questions we have here a friend of mine to ask,

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an insulting way, do you believe that your book Victoria

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stands up today, especially because you made a slightly disparaging

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reference to Trump in it.

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Speaker 2: Well, at the time, no one anticipated that mister Trump

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would put his substantial talents and fortune towards public service.

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It looked like he was just going to be another

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rich guy who likes to have fun, and we didn't

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consider that as a terribly good example of cultural conservatism.

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The Victoria, of course, which is said in the future,

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is the novel that lays out the breakup of the

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United States in the fourth Generation War. And as I

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just said, Trump's biggest achievement, which nobody gets, is that

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he has gotten us off that road by showing that

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it is possible to defy and defeat cultural Marxism without

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having to physically go to war at the expense of

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breaking up the country. So I would say I'm very

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thankful at the moment that we are off the road

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laid out in Victoria. But that's only for four years,

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and we don't know what's going to come after him.

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The cultural Marxists believe in this crap deeply, and they're

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not going to give up. They're not going to go away,

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so they will attempt to make a comeback. And if

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the Democrats come back for probably not no reasons connected

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to culture, but because the debt and financial crisis hits

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on Trump's watch, it won't be his fault any more

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than the Great Depression of Herbert Hoover's fault. But he

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will be given the ugly babies just as Hoover was,

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and they will bring all the cultural Marxism stuff back

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if they possibly can. So Victoria is set aside for

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a time. The vignette route more than a vignette, the

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whole story that's laid there. What does still apply from Victoria, however,

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when I have a separate book out on this is

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retroculture is the only way we're going to get back

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the country that we had created largely by the Victorians,

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its last after glow, as the nineteen fifties, our last

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normal decade. There's no way we're going to get back

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to that country without a retroculture movement, not something driven

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by government, but of ordinary people deciding they're going to

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live again in the old ways. And this is happening

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to a growing extent, but it needs to happen on

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a very large extent if we're going to make America

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again the country that what America used to define.

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Speaker 1: Do you have anything, mister Field has.

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Speaker 3: I was just going to say for our audience who

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hasn't read Victoria, I still think it's a great book

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as far as communicating ideas about fourth generation warfare, and

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huge believer in using fiction as a tool for treating

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for leadership development, and it's a great example of that.

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Does that serve and.

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Speaker 2: In fact it's also one of the many things it

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is is a series of not tactical, but operational decision

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games where the reader is taken through how to think

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militarily on the operational level. And the reason I've done

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that is because what I see over and over in

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the US military is, as has always been the case,

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because our military heritage is French, we have no grasp

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of the operational level, which was central to the German

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and to the Russian ways of war. And the Russian

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plan for invading Ukraine operationally was very good. Their units

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just couldn't execute it. But most American military headquarters have

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a clue about operational art. So the book is a

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series of lessons in them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say that there is a

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long tradition of using FI to do that, people like

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Jerry Pornell became famous for that, Harold Coyle, And partly

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it was a response to the fact that just the

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professional institutional educational system of the US military, as you said,

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does a very poor job teaching that part of the professional.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's again it's on the French model. It reduces

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everything to road process. It's war by process. But the

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problem of not being used right at the operational level

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was central for our special operations for us because if

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you look at how we use them, they're just using

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as a tactical level, and that means they're just, given

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their small size, not going to have any impact on

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a large conflict. They just become swapteam in effect.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry, sir.

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Speaker 2: It's not their fault, but they nonetheless need to do

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something about it or they'll continue to be misused. So

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that's a bit of an aggression. It's a frustration on

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my part seeing our best units used wrongly because we've

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got headquarters that don't understand the operational level.

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Speaker 3: And to that point, I think it's more than just

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special operations, everything from logistics to aviation to even the

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issue of the Marine Corps. It's there are lots of things.

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We don't integrate the tactical forces into a larger strategic plan.

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And as you said, they do great work, but they

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do great work in a vacuum because nobody knows how

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to employ them properly.

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Speaker 2: Since you mentioned the Marine Corps, I have to say

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that it's been going backwards at warp speed from what

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General Gray created when he was common out in the

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late eighties and early nineties, with the adoption of warfare

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as doctrine, where the whole Marine Corps was thinking and

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talking and writing about war. It's all gone at this point.

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And it's so bad that a German officer who's a

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friend of mine, that the a friend of his, another

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German officer, went to Quantaco and spent some time at

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the Marine Corps Basic School. This is the school for

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new lieutenants, and he ran a German style, which is

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exactly what Marine Corps doctor and the MCDP one war

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fighting calls for. So it was mission type orders, initiative

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over obedience. Yet the result doesn't matter how you get

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it outward focus. The lieutenants all loved it. He was

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called in by other faculty who said to him, you

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were teaching marines to think. Remember this as officers we're

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talking about. We don't want them to think. We want

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them to just follow orders. That's the suicide of a

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grand old institution.

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Speaker 3: One of the things I was taught as a lieutenant

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and commissioning source at Military College who was at every level,

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an officer needs to understand that you exist in order

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to solve problems that don't you have solutions. You can't

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just follow orders, because if that was all that was required,

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it would have been solved by a sergeant before you

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ever showed up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the officer is required to get the result

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the situation requires, regardless of orders. That was key to

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the SHAWENCRSS performs in the Prussian Army after their catastrophe

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in eighteen oh six at the Battle of Viena, and

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that remains central to maneuver warfare and for the Marine

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Corps explicitly to say, we don't want our officers to

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think again, this is institutional suicide.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's turning the Marine coordinator into a second rate Army.

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Speaker 2: Sinks don't ask for marines anymore because they're so poorly trankeed.

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They want special ops forces, they don't want marines. That

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means that you, as the provider of the Marine Corps,

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of lost your customer.

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Speaker 1: So more than one person I asked about asking questions

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to you wanted to follow up on this and the

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last time we talked, We asked, but people still want

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to ask them. Is your Have you heard anybody to

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describe fifth generation warfare that makes any sense to you?

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Speaker 2: No, and I'm not going to and neither is anybody else. Generally,

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if you hear the term fifth generation warfare, it's somebody

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trying to sell a product by giving it that label.

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It's just advertising. Fourth generation of war is going to

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take at least a century to play itself out. And

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what it's about is the crisis of legitimacy of the state,

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and that continues to spread, including here. One of my

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great fears with the Ukraine Russian War is if Russian loses.

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I think that's highly unlikely, but if it should happen,

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the Russian Federation might itself disintegrate into chaos now, which

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is a worse problem for US Vladimir Putin's Russia or

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Russia turning into a stateless area with thousands of nuclear

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weapons and delivery mechanisms that can reach the United States

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in the hands of We have absolutely no idea who

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is in control of theok and one of them starts

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hitting the US city and says, we'll do it. We're

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going to new one of your cities every week till

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you hand over all the Golden Fort Knox, what do

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you do? So state preservation is the task of existing states.

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I just did a column again for Traditional Right, looking

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at the Israeli American Iranian war from this perspective and

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how it affects the legitimacy of the state in those

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three countries. Well, in Iran, obviously it undermined it tremendously.

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And it is not in our advantage that the stated

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ran disidergrate. In Israel, it's being ripped apart internally because

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to stay in power Natagna who has to please these

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small ultra Orthodox parties that are demanding constant war against everyone,

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and their constituents won't fight. They're exempt from the draft.

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So the ultra Orthodox are pushing Israel into war after

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war and saying you, the secular Israelis have to fight them.

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We don't you talk about You talk about a collapse

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in legitimacy. That is that's risking it in a very

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high degree. And here again, as I said earlier, with Trump,

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he has left his base behind with what he's doing,

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not only in the Middle East but elsewhere in terms

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of getting US involved in more wars. That is what

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we voted for him for. So there's a legitimacy issue,

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not for the state here, but certainly for the Trump presidency.

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The problem is nobody in national capitals sees this. Martin

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van Kraffeld said to me years ago at my office

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in Washington. Everybody can see it but the people in

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the capital cities, and that remains true.

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Speaker 1: The next question we had was had to do with

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drone warfare and ask whether drones are something new. Are

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they just another permutation of artillery?

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Speaker 2: There are another permutation of air power. In my view,

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what we're seeing with drones is they work greatly on

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the battlefield to the advantage of the defense. And this

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goes right back to World War One. In both world wars,

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we saw that when the enemy has a lot has

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control of the air and is putting a lot of

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air power over you. Because he's got control of the air,

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you're fine as long as you don't have to move.

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The problem comes when you have to move, and particularly

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have to move on your time pressure, and he's got

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air over you all the time. When you're moving at most,

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it greatly slows you down. And this was a big

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problem with the Germans in nineteen forty four countering the

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D Day invasion. They needed the German defense operated on

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the basis of a fairly thin forward defense that's more

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of a screen, and then shifting operational reserves to pocket

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enemy breakthroughs. But that means those operational reserves have to

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move very quickly, which means they have to move on roads.

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But they had Allied fighter bombers over them the whole

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time they were trying to do that, which forced them

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off the roads and then to cover. So it wasn't

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so much the attrition that was the problem. It was

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what it did to the speed of their movement of

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operational reserves. On the Eastern Front. The Soviet Air Force,

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which had the worst planes and the worst pilots, was

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probably the most effective Allied air force because it focused

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everything exactly on that slowing the movement of German operation reserves.

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The fire brigades is the Germans. So what drones are

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doing is simply duplicating that situation that we've seen before,

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but doing so very cheaply and with a whole lot

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of aviation over you all the time. The cost of

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large fleets of fighter bombers or even Stromoviks, which was

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the aircraft the Russians used so effectively this way, or Stukas,

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which the Germans used this way was was limited by

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the cost and the cost of the pilot and all

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of the rest of it. When the drones are the

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kinds of the Ukrainians are building, which by the way,

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have worked a great deal better than our multimillion dollar

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drones which proved easy takedowns for Russian ew The ones

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Ukrainians are making for a couple hundred bucks in their garages.

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You can have enormous quantities of them, and they're overhead

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all the time, and so long as you don't have

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to move you're on the defensive, that's not a huge problem.

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But as soon as you go on the offensive, it

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is a huge problem. And they a Secretary of Defense

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Pete Hexith, just did something brilliant. He said, in the

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Army and Marine Corps colonels now have the authority to

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take government money and go out to the hobby shops

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un buy and put together any drones they want and

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experiment with brilliant. This is exactly the way the German

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Army used to operate. A lot of lateral authority experimentation,

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you pass around the results of what works and what

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doesn't work, and they he thereby bypassed our whole Soviet

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style military R and D and procurement system that would

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tell you we can have a new drone in ten

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years and it'll cost twenty million dollars a piece. The

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way we do R and D and pureman now is

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so bad he literally cannot produce a good product. So

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he just bock passed the whole thing on the drone issue.

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I'll also mention, for the first time since maybe fourteen eighty,

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the Portuguese Navy is now leading the world. Portugal is

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now building the world's first designed, bottom up built drone carrier.

479
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,400
It looks like a small aircraft carrier. It will carry aerodrones,

480
00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:35,480
surface drones, and undersea drones. I don't know the numbers,

481
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:37,960
but it will probably carry more drones than a Ford

482
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:44,359
class carrier can carry fighter bombers. And it costs about

483
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,000
one hundred and thirty million dollars, approximately one to one

484
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:54,119
hundredth the cost of a Ford class carrier. So Portugal's

485
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:58,279
again leading the way. Be nice if somebody in Washington

486
00:31:58,319 --> 00:31:59,359
would pay attention to that.

487
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: In order for the United States to become to start

488
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:13,119
pumping out and becoming the kind of manufacturer of military equipment.

489
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,559
I mean, and I'm not talking about just small arms.

490
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:20,160
I'm talking about basically a lot of the things that

491
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,880
we have to rely upon other countries now to build,

492
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,319
especially China, parts everything. If you were to bring that

493
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,599
back all home, bring that all back home. I mean,

494
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,839
do you think we're looking at like nationalization. Do you

495
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:39,200
think you're you're going in and using eminent domain to

496
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:44,960
take take land, build national factories and basically hire people

497
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:50,759
and put people to work. I have trouble seeing like

498
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:53,279
if there was an if there was another arms race

499
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:56,440
now with Russia, because Russia is just basically just can

500
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:02,160
build at will. I have trouble seeing the private industry

501
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,599
being able to do it anymore because private industry just

502
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,680
sends so much overseas well.

503
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: Of course, we can do it, and we can do

504
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:17,160
it without all those dire effects, because what we actually need,

505
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,039
for the most part is cheap, simple stuff, not enormously

506
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:26,079
expensive vast programs, not F twenty two and now it

507
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:28,480
is at F forty nine, fighters and all of the

508
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,359
rest of it. The kind of stuff that's working in

509
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,359
combat is again stuff people are putting together in their basements.

510
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,039
And we certainly have the heavy industry side of it.

511
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,480
For tanks, for example, we have plenty capacity of roust

512
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:48,559
Belt factories. And in cities like Cleveland, Hey, we still

513
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,759
make steal and we still have by the airport, we

514
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,119
still have the World War II tank and bober plant.

515
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:57,279
All you'd have to do is start spooling it up again,

516
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,039
Borner and Swayzy. The buildings are still standing barely. A

517
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,160
machine tool factory in World War Two employed five thousand people.

518
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,559
That'd be great for Cleveland. Love to see it, But

519
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:11,559
what prevents it is the whole R and D and

520
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:15,599
procurement system we now have, which again duplicates the Soviet economy.

521
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,199
A friend of mine had a brief he gave around

522
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,320
the Pentagon that one of the slides says the Pentagon

523
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,840
now controls the world's largest planned economy. Nobody got it.

524
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,519
Nobody blinked as to what that means. I mean, literally,

525
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:33,320
it works on millions of pages of regulations. Of course,

526
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,280
if you're going to do it through something like that,

527
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,719
the result is going to be a disaster. But we

528
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,119
don't have to do it that way. There are lots

529
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:44,079
of cheap, simple solutions. Again, we see the people involved

530
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,840
in real wars doing these kinds of things, and we

531
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,320
can build that stuff, and we can do it without

532
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,519
in effect copying the old Soviet economy or doing as

533
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:00,519
Nazi Germany did in the thirties and reviving the economy

534
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:07,280
through forced force, draft militarization. H The way war is

535
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,840
going is not friendly to great, big, complex, expensive systems,

536
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:15,559
because more and more they're getting taken down by cheap,

537
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:18,559
simple system And I can't help, by the way, being

538
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:22,920
amused by all of this fear in Europe and the

539
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,679
US and NATO over the Russian Army. The Russian Army's

540
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,760
performance in Ukraine war has been terrible. It's been a joke.

541
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,800
It's been so bad. Yes, they're learning, but they've got

542
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,559
a long way to go. This is not the Soviet

543
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:42,159
army of nineteen forty four, forty five, This isn't even

544
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:45,159
probably the Soviet Army of nineteen forty one. This has

545
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:48,679
been a disaster for the Russian Army. I think frankly

546
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,840
that the Scandinavian states, the Baltics and Poland could on

547
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,079
their own give this, give the Russians a thorough beating

548
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:02,519
if they tried any incursions into those areas. It's this again.

549
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,239
Much of it is the military industrial congressional complex keeping

550
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,880
the money flowing. And by the way, the Black Sea,

551
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,440
the Russian Navy hasn't performed any better than it's army died.

552
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,480
I just don't get the panic.

553
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about infrastructure at home. Yeah, it's

554
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,480
we have bridge you know, we had a bridge fall

555
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,760
in uh in Baltimore, we had we have this is

556
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,800
happening all over the place. Trained to railment's power outages

557
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,400
for no reason whatsoever in some places and for hours

558
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,880
and hours. What do you see having to be done

559
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,199
to keep infrastructure going in the future. A lot of

560
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:50,440
the people who know how to take care, you know,

561
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:53,960
run a water treatment plant are aging out. They're retiring

562
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,360
a lot of the unless these skills have been passed down.

563
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,880
We're looking at people who are coming, you know, who

564
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,840
are coming into positions of We see this with politicians

565
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,199
who have no idea, what have no theory of politics whatsoever.

566
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,800
What's the future of infrastructure and what should we be

567
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,039
worried about if anything?

568
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not an infrastructure specialists, at least depart from railways,

569
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,679
I can say if the government wants to get private

570
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:30,920
companies like railroads, power companies, et cetera, to improve the infrastructure,

571
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,199
it's very simple. You give them all kinds of tax

572
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,119
breaks for doing that basic rule of governing. If you

573
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:40,800
want more of something subsidized, if you want less of

574
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,840
something taxing. So the railroads, for example, are taxed fairly heavily,

575
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:48,559
so you give them all kinds of tax deals if

576
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,679
they'll put the money into improving the tracks. By the way,

577
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,880
most of the tracks in the US at this point

578
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,000
are in pretty good shape and we aren't seeing necessarily

579
00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:59,320
more derailments. They just get a lot more attention than

580
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,519
they used to. Train derailments were fairly frequent in the past.

581
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,880
We're actually probably down in respect to that. Yes, the

582
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,440
highways are in many cases are terrible, and the bridge

583
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,360
is a real problem. I mean, at least the bridge

584
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,760
in Baltimore collapsed because the ship headed one collapsed in

585
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,280
Milwaukee without any outside prompting. But there is one thing

586
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,599
you touch on that I think is a vital importance

587
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,320
and is getting no attention. It's central to this concept

588
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,559
of resilience, which is what we need to build a

589
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,119
much more resilient society, and a lot of this has

590
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:35,079
to be at the local level. But the critical thing,

591
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,519
as you mentioned water plants, all of that, the generation

592
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,440
that's retiring or retired was the last one to know

593
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:47,639
how to make them work without computers. What we need

594
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:52,440
to be prepared for is all the computerized stuff going down,

595
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,559
whether it's because of a solar burst of EMPs electromagnetic

596
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:02,519
pulses got on in the eighteen fifties that was so

597
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,280
strong it'd set the telegraph keys on fire. What would

598
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,679
that do to every computer now? And what happens to

599
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,440
your infrastructure if the only people who know how to

600
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,039
operate it only know how to use the computers, and

601
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:17,480
they don't know the manual backups. So I think there

602
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:22,880
should be strong government subsidies for going to the people

603
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:28,719
who knew how to make these things work without computers,

604
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:33,960
recording that so their knowledge ism lost, and making sure

605
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,440
the devices they used, which would mostly be levers and

606
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:44,719
valves and so on that made it work before computers

607
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,199
are still there and can be activated in an emergency.

608
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:53,960
Because this dependence of vital infrastructure on computers is an

609
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:58,079
enormous achilles heel. Yes, it can, they can be taken

610
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:00,800
down by a foreign attack. They can be taken down

611
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,519
potentially by artificial intelligence. They can be taken down by

612
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:08,960
the sun itself. But when they got down, we really

613
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:12,920
need to have backups that don't require that. In fact,

614
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,320
if you look at cities, most people can get by

615
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,920
for quite some time without electricity. They can get by

616
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,039
with food in the basement for some time. What they

617
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:28,039
can't get by with a matter of powers rather than days,

618
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:32,800
is water, drinkable safe water. Were up to me, I

619
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,880
would require every city to have an auxiliary pumping system

620
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,599
that was powered by steam, because steam is the only

621
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:50,159
form of power that requires no electricity. And I can

622
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:55,119
assure you there are plenty of dafpageys to fleet people

623
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:58,679
in this country, steam spirited, who would love nothing better

624
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:02,280
getting paid for it, just to be the guys who

625
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,000
come down and once a quarter of fire up the

626
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,320
steam plant and make sure it's still working. We've got

627
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,159
plenty of coal, we know how to build steam engines

628
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,079
and to keep those pumping stations going when all the

629
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:17,559
electricity was gone. Is going to be the number one

630
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:22,400
consideration for cities when it comes to resilience. Of course,

631
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,480
I wouldn't be a cultural conservative if I would like

632
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:28,280
to see everything go back to steam power, but this

633
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,239
is a case where we really need it.

634
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,079
Speaker 1: Mister Fieldhouse.

635
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this comes from a friend. It's three part question.

636
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,159
The first party is talking about drones, and we talked

637
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:42,960
about that. You say it's primarily a continuation of aviation

638
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,239
from the last century. Do you see drones as being

639
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,840
viable for an indefinitely long period, meaning do you think

640
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,519
they're going to be a counter to drones all of

641
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:56,199
a sudden that changes that, or do you think it's

642
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,880
going to continue on the trajectory that we're seeing right now?

643
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,599
Speaker 2: Sir, I think there's going to be a counter, and

644
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:03,480
I think it's going to be an area wide counter,

645
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,119
and I think every major power is working on this

646
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,320
right now. There are all kinds of possibilities, ranging for

647
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:15,639
barrage balloons, through aerosols, through emp. Once again, at a

648
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,320
certain point, if you don't have drones or don't have

649
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,119
very money, and your enemy has a lot, it's to

650
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:23,559
your advantage to fry every electric circuit in and near

651
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:29,159
the battlefield. So I think that the invulnerability if you

652
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:32,159
will have drones, I mean they're vulnerable individually, but because

653
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:35,519
of their numbers the invulnerability of the drone cloud if

654
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:40,119
you wish. I think that's going to be something that

655
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:41,360
comes and goes fairly quickly.

656
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 3: So it's something like machine guns. During the early part

657
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,079
of the First World War, there was no counter to

658
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:51,079
it until infiltration tactics and people invented the encounter.

659
00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's a little bit. By the way World

660
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,719
War One, I have to correct it. Eighty percent of

661
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,039
the casualties on the Western Front weren't to machine guns.

662
00:42:58,039 --> 00:42:58,920
That we are artillery.

663
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, understood. Another one, constricting supply Chaine deals a

664
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,320
little bit with what we talked about with infrastructure, but

665
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,320
we know that supply chain's disruption has been a big

666
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,360
issue that we're just now starting to see the last

667
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,079
couple of years. Do you think that problem will get

668
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:19,800
worse and speed up or do you think it's good?

669
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,719
Excuse me? Do you think that would speed up the

670
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,880
operational speed of land warfare or do you think it'll

671
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,599
slow down the operational speed of land warfare? Or is

672
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:32,039
that something that's still not to be determined, sir.

673
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: I think that's not determined. I do think, again, what

674
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:40,519
we always fail to understand, and again this comes back

675
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:47,679
to feeding the military industrial congressional complex is that sophisticated

676
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,079
systems often have unsophisticated counters that are quite effective. I mean,

677
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:55,880
when we tried to create the mattinmar Line and Vietnam

678
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,159
of high tech sensors, the VC countered it with things

679
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:04,920
like buckets of US hung in trees. As how, there

680
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,840
are all kinds of and again the Ukraine War is

681
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,320
showing a lot of this. There are all kinds are

682
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:17,760
very imaginative, inexpensive quick ways to counter complex systems, and

683
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,840
we tend we tend not to pay much attention to that.

684
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:25,360
Whether in the end that's going to favor offense or defense,

685
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,719
whether it's going to slow things down or speed them up.

686
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,039
I don't I wouldn't care to predict.

687
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:35,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, understood, Sir. Is there a period that you see,

688
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,880
a historical period that you see as comparable or analogous

689
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,639
to fourth generation warfare? The person who's asking that basically

690
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:46,719
has the thesis that the Thirty Years War pre Westphailia

691
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,119
is probably the period that looks more most like fourth

692
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:50,199
generation warfare. Sir.

693
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,159
Speaker 2: Yes, I would include the Thirty Years War, but I

694
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:56,840
wouldn't restrict it to that. If I would really want

695
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,280
to look at the parallel. I'd look at the fourteenth century,

696
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:02,920
and there's a great book Barbara Took wins a distant

697
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,280
mirror the calamitous fourteenth century, based on the diary of

698
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,119
a French nobleman at the time, the Sis decres. This

699
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:16,199
is when the Black Death hits Herope and the Middle Ages.

700
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,360
But what everybody's been told about the Middle Ages is

701
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,400
completely wrong. The Middle Ages were a high civilization. It

702
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,079
was a very successful civilization. It was the closest we've

703
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:31,079
come to building a traditional to building a real Christian society.

704
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,400
What destroyed it was the plague. When in six weeks

705
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,760
you lose a third and a half three quarters of

706
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:46,519
your population, everything changes and everything falls apart. So the

707
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:51,960
fourteenth century was absolute, a time of absolute calamity. With

708
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:57,000
things like artificial intelligence, that's already showing a bit how

709
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:58,800
dangerous it can be, and it's going to show a

710
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,480
lot more of that. At a certain point, the machines

711
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:04,000
are going to say, why do we put up with

712
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:11,079
the carbon based units with the possibility of obviously nuclear war,

713
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,440
with the genetic engineering. Genetic engineering is going to create

714
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:20,239
both unintentionally and intentionally new plagues that could spread like

715
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,519
the common Cold, but have the death rate of the

716
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:27,760
Black Death. With all these kind of things hitting modern civilization,

717
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:32,440
I think what we're potentially looking at as another fourteenth century,

718
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:37,159
and yes, the Thirty Years War, by the way Germany

719
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,800
went through another thirty years or in the twentieth century,

720
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,679
essentially World War One through the end of World War II.

721
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:51,199
It's another Thirty Years War and with similar results for Germany.

722
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:55,119
But the first Thirty Years War by some accounts, the

723
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:58,440
population of Germany was reduced from sixteen million to six million.

724
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:05,079
We would to potentially see that kind of thing again, unfortunately. Yes,

725
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:08,400
and of course, especially if the National Institute of Healthcare

726
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,639
is to keep funding gain of function research in deadly diseases.

727
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,599
Speaker 4: Do you have any of your own questions, mister field

728
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:18,960
has I was going to say before that a friend

729
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,360
of ours, Darryl Cooper, is actually working on an interwar

730
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:24,920
World War one World War two series, and he's actually

731
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,199
looking at the fighting that went on in Germany post

732
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,360
World War One, and there's so much there that we

733
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,960
could talk about forever that's so relevant to the things

734
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:35,679
we're talking about.

735
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:39,079
Speaker 3: I was going to ask Martin van Kreveld, I know

736
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:42,840
Professor Van Kreveld went dark about six months ago and

737
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,920
he shut off all of his websites and whatnot. Do

738
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,239
you know if he's still around or he passed away, Sir, I.

739
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:50,119
Speaker 2: Don't know, but it's the first I've heard of that.

740
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,239
So I'm going to give Martin a call. We're good

741
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,280
friends now. I don't see his stuff normally because I

742
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,840
do not and will not normally use the internet. Is

743
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:02,920
a computer in my home? I assure you there is

744
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:08,880
no such thing, but that concerns me, yes, and thank

745
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,079
you for letting me know that, and I will certainly

746
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:15,119
try to get Mark McCall. I think he's also been

747
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:20,440
hit hard by what's been going on in Israel again

748
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:24,079
with Netta Na who over and over again sacrificing his

749
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:26,960
country to his own personal interest of remaining in power.

750
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,880
As I said on our last broadcast, now to be

751
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,039
pro Israel, you have to be anti Ntaannah who he's

752
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:38,039
doing so much damage. And that may have hit Marked

753
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:43,000
very hard because he does understand this. But no, thanks

754
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:43,960
thanks for letting me know.

755
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would be interested if you do find

756
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,199
you think, Sir, I was going to say, doctor Van

757
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:54,800
Krevel has been very critical of the military actions since

758
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,519
October seventh, and he has not been the most he

759
00:48:58,559 --> 00:48:59,960
isn't it for a decade, it's not been the most

760
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:03,440
popular person concerning the military in Israel because he can

761
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:04,880
be very critical of the IDF.

762
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he does so from a basis of very

763
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:11,280
very good knowledge about the idea, if and never good

764
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,960
understanding about the idea. And this, of course is his

765
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:20,480
focus on the moral level of war. If only the

766
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:23,280
Israelis were to use the grid that you'll find in

767
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,840
my new Maneuver Warfare Handbook and in the Fourth Generation

768
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,880
Warfare Handbook that I wrote with a Lieutenant Colonel Greg

769
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,719
feel very simple tool. I'm trying to push it police

770
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,760
departments as well. If you are picking up on it,

771
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,159
it's just a nine box nine box grid, and you

772
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:48,079
have the classic three levels of war on one side, tactical, operational, strategic,

773
00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:52,039
and John Boyd's on the other axis the physical, mental, moral.

774
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:56,920
And what you'll see is that states too often, and

775
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,280
including the United States, focus almost all their refort at

776
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,559
the tactical and physical box, which is the weakest of

777
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:07,079
all the boxes a higher Trump's are lower. This is

778
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:12,079
something people don't get the strongest box is where the

779
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:17,119
fourth generation entity's focus, which is the strategic and moral

780
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,400
and whether we're talking at police department, all these problems

781
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,320
you see with police departments where they get in political

782
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:29,800
trouble because some black usually with a record as long

783
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,360
as your arm gets beaten up or worse by the cops,

784
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,719
if they just would use the grid to plan their operations.

785
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,239
I first came up with it when I spent a

786
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,159
week with the Royal Marines in the early two thousands

787
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,360
and what the Royal Marine General said, this could help

788
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,719
us foresee and avoid some second and third order effects. Well, yeah,

789
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,400
that's kind of important, whether you're talking policing, whether you're

790
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,960
talking more those second and third order effects are often

791
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:01,320
much more important than the first order effects. And we

792
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,440
don't get it. The idf used to get it, doesn't

793
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,639
get it anymore. Martin has been the guy leading the

794
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,679
charge on this, So yeah, I'm not surprised at all

795
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:17,480
that he's that he's been very distressed because he's Martin

796
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,199
and his wife resign us. They really really believe in

797
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:24,639
Israel and to see your country doing itself that kind

798
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:27,280
of damage is very difficult.

799
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:30,679
Speaker 1: And it appears that from everything I've seen on Twitter,

800
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,519
mister Lutwalk has taken the opposite direction. He believes that

801
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:38,440
Israel is at its strongest right now, which.

802
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,559
Speaker 2: I've known ed looked back for a long time. He

803
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,199
is as a writer, a brilliant stylist. And I'll leave

804
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,920
it there. Well.

805
00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: A mutual friend of ours, Scott Horton Fromancy war dot com,

806
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,000
had a question, and today's actually Scott's birthday, so want

807
00:51:59,079 --> 00:51:59,920
to throw him out.

808
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,639
Speaker 2: I have mine last Wednesday. I'm seventy eight.

809
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,519
Speaker 1: Awesome, Awesome, Glad you're still here because you're going strong.

810
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

811
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,159
Speaker 1: My friend Greg who submitted some questions, he's like, haven't

812
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:16,159
heard from. I'm like, he's fine, don't worry about it,

813
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:20,679
don't worry about it. But Scott Horton wanted your opinion

814
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:26,039
about mid what Israel looks like for the midterm? Yeah,

815
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:29,360
for you know, in the basically in the middle term.

816
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,559
Speaker 2: Now, let me start by saying that when someone I

817
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:38,239
know who I won't name, asked President Nixon when he

818
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,639
was in office, what do you think Israel's future is?

819
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,679
President Nixon asked long term? And my friend said yes,

820
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:56,440
Nixon went well about long term is now medium term

821
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:03,000
and Israel's a classic crusaders today and it only survives

822
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:05,519
like all crusader states, as long as it gets extensive

823
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:10,079
external support. And this is something. This is the catastrophe

824
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:15,119
at the moral level that Vignahuo's inflicting on Israel. He's

825
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:18,599
creating a generation of people throughout the rest of the

826
00:53:18,639 --> 00:53:23,360
world who see Israel as the successor to Nazi Germany,

827
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,880
who consider it loathsome on the moral level. And what

828
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:34,039
is that going to do to that external support? We're

829
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:37,400
now seeing this only from young people without much influence,

830
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:44,119
this initiative to divest of all investments that would benefit

831
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:48,880
Israel and so forth. What happens when those people are

832
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,719
in power, which will just happen generationally over time, is

833
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,000
their view of Israel going to change? No, that view

834
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:58,559
of Israel is being cemented right now by what's going

835
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:05,079
on in Gaza and the West Bank. And yeah, for

836
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,960
a crusader state to destroy itself at the moral level

837
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:13,119
is death. It's the end that support stops coming and

838
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:19,199
the place goes away. So medium term, well, Nixon, who

839
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,719
is our best foreign policy president of all time by far,

840
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,559
It's been a while since Nixon was president, or we're

841
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,800
that long term, maybe in the medium tournament. At this point,

842
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,440
what a lot of it comes down to is because

843
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:35,840
can they find some way to get Natagnelle out of

844
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,119
there and replace him with someone who's not just focused

845
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:46,440
on himself in his own career and begin to begin

846
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:51,920
to get Israel, begin to get let Israel rebuild the

847
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,760
moral capital that's been the basis for its survival since

848
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,000
it's founding, and then it's now spending at a tremendous

849
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:04,400
right under Natagnan. I mean, he is at this point

850
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:06,000
the death of Israel.

851
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 3: I've it's occurred to me when I've talked to Pete

852
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,119
in the past that it's like, the only way to

853
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:17,280
understand current is really strategic decisions is to think of

854
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,039
and to understand that Y'ah, who is behaving like a

855
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:24,000
cornered animal, that he's afraid that essentially he's going to

856
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,360
be sent to prison and that he'll die in prison

857
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,440
because of his age. I just think that's the only

858
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,079
way to really understand the way or make sense of

859
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:34,199
the way he's acting lately in in terms of military matters.

860
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: Sir, yeah, I would agree, and I think what's needed

861
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,639
is for the Israeli opposition all to come together and

862
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,239
say we guarantee you a pardon, you will not go

863
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,199
to jail if you leave the if you leave the

864
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:52,559
Prime Ministership, And that's something that SHA always say. The

865
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:54,119
US could help encourage.

866
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:58,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the US assistance would be necessary to ensure

867
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:01,559
that he's not arrest by the ICC in the future.

868
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: What we should have very simply, and this applies not

869
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:11,000
just to Israel, is where we can get someone who's

870
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:14,559
destroying his own country to leave it. We should have

871
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:18,760
a lovely area of Florida with all these marvelous mansions,

872
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:21,559
and they will be secure there the rest of their days.

873
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:25,039
It would be a whole lot cheaper than going to

874
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:27,599
war to try to restore failed states.

875
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 3: Give them an estate on a British property or an

876
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,119
American property, like they did for Napoleon after a second.

877
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: Defeat, exactly well that they did it the first time.

878
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:39,039
Saint Helena was a little that was a little rougher,

879
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:45,159
but yeah, it's we should give them a golden bridge

880
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:48,360
over which to retreat, and that should start with Natanyahu.

881
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:51,159
And I know of nobody who likes golden riches better

882
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:56,280
than President Trump orble and anything, So maybe that's something

883
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,400
he could give some thought to.

884
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it just seems rather absurd and just

885
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:10,440
truly insane that a country that cannot basically cannot survive

886
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:16,960
where it has placed itself in the world, that needs

887
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,400
the support of other countries in order to exist, would

888
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,519
just basically destroy its reputation on the world stage. And

889
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,239
that's what Netanyahu's basically done, is he's there's like three

890
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,679
there's maybe two or three countries left in the world

891
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:37,880
that that support Israel and the rest or at this

892
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:44,639
point or either hostile or just or neutral to it.

893
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of them provides the ammunition that they need

894
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,039
for their inner aircraft system and can't make it fast enough.

895
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's again it's said. I've been to Israel. I

896
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:57,159
like the country, I like the people, fascinating place when

897
00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:01,440
we talk about history. I was walking with Martin van

898
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:05,880
Kraffeld near the Whaling Wall, which is the base of Tempo,

899
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,039
and he pointed up to a little corbelin and he

900
00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:14,800
said that carried a wooden bridge that carried over to

901
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,760
the palace of King David. Where else do you find

902
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:26,000
that's about China? Pres But yeah, it's it's tragic. I'm

903
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,360
disparancyeing Israel do this to itself, and again it isn't Israel.

904
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,480
It's one party that could and one man, and yeah,

905
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:36,400
who's doing it.

906
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,199
Speaker 1: One of the main problems you see, I've been saying

907
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,480
for since October seventh that Israel basically has to become

908
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:51,079
more like a Western democracy in order to survive, because really,

909
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:53,639
if you get nt Yahoo out of there, there are

910
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,840
people who are more hardline than Yahoo waiting to take over.

911
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 2: That is also true, and that again will simply speed

912
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,840
Israel's demise. It does have. It has made progress in

913
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,639
terms of good state to state relations with some of

914
00:59:11,639 --> 00:59:14,960
its neighbors, although what they're doing in Gaza has put

915
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,920
that on ice, but in terms of a people to

916
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,880
people relationship. And again, the image that Israel has around

917
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:34,760
the world is it's absolutely self destructive. So if Washington

918
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,880
really wants to help Israel again, it will build the

919
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,519
Golden bridge over which nets and who can can retreat,

920
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,840
and then we just have to hope that the Israeli

921
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:54,719
public comes to understand that those kinds of policies are

922
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,079
long term and again even medium term disastros for Israel.

923
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:03,159
In a government that won't do that You're entirely right.

924
01:00:03,159 --> 01:00:04,760
They could vote in somebody.

925
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: More hardline, Yeah, and the same.

926
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: All you can say is it's sad to see. It's

927
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,079
sad to see it is real destroy itself. All right.

928
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:20,679
Speaker 1: Let me ask about about Iran. I've been saying for

929
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,760
two and a half years now that and I think

930
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:27,480
John and I have done episodes on this. I've done

931
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:32,679
episodes with other people on this. A ground invasion of

932
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:37,639
Iran is not going the staging on that would take,

933
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:41,360
you know, at least a year. Maybe it's not happen.

934
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: It is not going to happen.

935
01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:46,239
Speaker 1: So what happens with Iran? Do they go on a

936
01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:49,480
do they just decide to turn it into glass from

937
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:54,639
the air, which is which would take that you lose

938
01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:58,880
a lot of aviation lives that way. Or do we

939
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:03,280
just do we force Israel and Iran to get along,

940
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,920
which just doesn't seem to be in the cards since

941
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:10,440
Netyahu has been you know, has taken power there.

942
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:15,039
Speaker 2: Well, I think the question, again from a four GW perspective,

943
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:17,719
is does the state of Iran hold together in the

944
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:23,199
face of these defeats in state to state conflict. We

945
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,039
just have to see how that happens. Persians are at

946
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:29,119
most about fifty percent of the population. There have already

947
01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:34,039
been a number of centrifugal movements in largely non Persian

948
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:39,039
parts of the country if we have If another state

949
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:43,000
disintegration like that in Iraq results here, the long term

950
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,639
effects will not be good for the United States or

951
01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:51,239
anybody else. Iran is a much more populous country than Iraq.

952
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:54,000
But the notion of US getting in on the ground,

953
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no would this would take the kind of US administration

954
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,039
has totally detached from reality, as was the George W.

955
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:07,760
Bush administration. That is not the case with President Trump.

956
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,079
He does still have a grasp on reality. What the

957
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:15,400
internal situation of Iran is going to about. I simply

958
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,400
don't know at this point. It's too early to say.

959
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,000
They're sitting back at the moment and lacking their woans

960
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,239
and trying to figure out what they're going to do next,

961
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,800
and we just we have to see what their next

962
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:25,239
move is.

963
01:02:26,719 --> 01:02:27,519
Speaker 4: Mister Field does.

964
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very interested in that, partly because I was

965
01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:34,320
one of those people who've bet long on Iran. I

966
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,199
thought it would have been a more capable actor than

967
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:40,360
it's been in the last year or two. But Yeah,

968
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,280
as you said, I just from a logistics standpoint, not

969
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,840
only would you need a presidency that had been detached

970
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,679
to from reality, but I think the year's multi year

971
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,239
build up process to even do an invasion is going

972
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,159
to bring them back to a reality sooner or later.

973
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: Well, you've got a political revolt in this country. People

974
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,519
would say, we're not We're not sending more of our

975
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:05,719
kids to die for no reason in the deserts. Halfway

976
01:03:05,719 --> 01:03:10,199
around the world, the public recognizes that the Iraq war

977
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,599
was an absurdity and it's not going to sit back

978
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:15,519
for another one. Yeah.

979
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 3: And to Pete's earlier point, it's like, how long can

980
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,880
an air war continue when our Israel is depended upon

981
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,920
munitions being provided from the US that are also being

982
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:30,119
used in Ukraine that we are you know, within a year,

983
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:34,639
we were able to manufacture certain calibers ammunition less than

984
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:37,400
it's being consumed in three or four weeks. So it's

985
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,079
this is a horrible attrition strategy that the United States

986
01:03:41,159 --> 01:03:41,679
is waging.

987
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 2: Well, Ukraine is not likely to win a war of

988
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,000
attrition against Russia because simply because of Russia is a

989
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:51,440
much larger, stronger country. But if we're looking at Iran.

990
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:54,239
President of Trump's made it fairly clear he doesn't want

991
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,960
an endless war with Iran. He wants a diplomatic solution,

992
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:01,119
and he's open to removing the sametions on Iran as

993
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:04,519
part of a diplomatic solution. So I think he's taking

994
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:09,480
exactly the right approach here, and in fact, even immediately

995
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:12,800
after our airstrike, which again I wish we hadn't done,

996
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:17,800
but immediately after which Vice President of Vance said we

997
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,440
are not at war with Iran, we are at war

998
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,920
with Iran's duclear ap progrim. That was a very important distinction.

999
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,800
But the notion of US doing a ground invasion of

1000
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:33,079
another country halfway around the world for what exactly, the

1001
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:37,400
public would stop it the heart. They say, my kids

1002
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:38,159
aren't going.

1003
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 3: For what and with what? I mean. We have a

1004
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:44,360
much more engaged military than we had in two thousand

1005
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:48,599
and three, and we have what approximate ten percent smaller,

1006
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,599
So I agree, what.

1007
01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:57,239
Speaker 2: We really have at the moment are not armed services.

1008
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,559
What we have are for very well funded clubs for

1009
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:05,719
World War two reenactors, And so long as that is

1010
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,880
the case, we will be well advised to stay out

1011
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:09,760
of wars.

1012
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: I'll finish off with one question. Then twenty twenty eight

1013
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,840
rolls around, and I don't know what your opinion is

1014
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,239
of the election of twenty twenty, but I think that

1015
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:29,360
there was pockets of Shenanigans that basically led to the

1016
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,920
highest vote total of all time by far. Well, we

1017
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,920
get to twenty twenty eight and either Trump has been

1018
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,400
such a failure that they're not going to the public

1019
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,719
is not going to trust Vance and the left gets

1020
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:51,559
in there and gets someone in there who is not

1021
01:05:51,679 --> 01:05:55,360
a Gavin Newsom but somebody more like an Alexandri Cossio

1022
01:05:55,519 --> 01:06:02,119
Cortes or someone of that ilk does the culture does

1023
01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:07,760
this culture war heat back up? And as under the

1024
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,119
Biden administration, And I think most of us know that

1025
01:06:10,119 --> 01:06:13,840
Biden wasn't in charge for most of that where they

1026
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,880
targeted Catholics, praying outside of abortion clinics, and pretty much

1027
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:24,199
anyone who was to the right of Bernie Sanders. Do

1028
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:29,840
we see them try to persecute people who are more

1029
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,960
going towards the kind of traditional the return to tradition,

1030
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:37,280
like the return to the nineteen fifties, like you were mentioning,

1031
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,880
Do we see a full on attack on those people?

1032
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you would. The culture of Marxists believe

1033
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,400
in the stuff, and it's absurd to the rest of us.

1034
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:52,440
They believe that everybody who's white or male, or non feminist, woman,

1035
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:56,800
or straight, or Christian or Jewish or Asian or what

1036
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,320
have you. In other words, it is not a member

1037
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,920
of one of their stated victims groups, is inherently evil

1038
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:06,960
and must be suppressed by the state and must be

1039
01:07:07,079 --> 01:07:11,719
re educated forcefully. So all they do is endlessly apologize

1040
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,400
to the various victims groups. Now, the public is not

1041
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,039
going to take this. They will bring it back if

1042
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:21,639
they get in. But I think at that point you're

1043
01:07:21,679 --> 01:07:23,960
on the road to Victoria again. And I think that

1044
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,440
would be a rather short road, because the heartland, the heartland,

1045
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:34,000
would rise against this. And what the cultural Marxists don't

1046
01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:37,639
understand is, even if they're empowered congressman in the White House,

1047
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:43,559
they're dependent on security forces, police and military to enforce

1048
01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:48,960
their eatings. But the people in those security forces loathe

1049
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,079
cultural Marxism, and so what you would have very quickly

1050
01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:58,440
would be the heartland would be in the streets, and

1051
01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:00,960
the military and the police would come over to it.

1052
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:06,440
And when that happens to a regime. It's over. If

1053
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:12,599
they lose the security forces, they lose everything. And I

1054
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:16,640
think that I don't think the Democrats are going to

1055
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:24,279
be so dumb as to nominate someone like Bernie Sanders,

1056
01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:28,199
or to the left of Bernie Sanders, one of the squad,

1057
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:31,159
if you will, from the House, someone like that. I

1058
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:34,079
think their candidate is likely to be much more pragmatic,

1059
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,279
someone a Newsom is moving to the right as fast

1060
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:42,760
as he can to position himself as a moderate. And

1061
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,439
I think, frankly, if they were to nominate an open

1062
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:51,560
cultural Marxist, no matter how bad the economy was, the

1063
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,520
Democrats would go down to a defeat of historic proportions,

1064
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,920
because bulk of the country outside the East Coast elites

1065
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,880
has rejected cultural Marxism this point. And that's why, as

1066
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,159
I said, you're even seeing liberals cheering the fact that

1067
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,399
the Trump is waging open war on it and successful

1068
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,399
war against it. People were right up to here with

1069
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,640
being told that their career was over because they used

1070
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:21,439
somebody's wrong promen It became culture Marxism, became a self satire.

1071
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,319
It went so far. I don't think you're going to

1072
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,720
see the Democrats so stupid as to nominate somebody who

1073
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:32,640
represents that. But if they do, then yes, we're back

1074
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,359
on the road to Victoria. And I don't want to

1075
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:36,039
see it happen.

1076
01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:39,359
Speaker 1: Well I don't either, And you know, it's just the

1077
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:46,039
absurdity of the post war consensus being that everybody, everybody's

1078
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:55,039
an individual. Yet you you're not allowed to have collective collectivism,

1079
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:58,520
but we're all going to get along. It just it's

1080
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,479
doesn't it's concerned.

1081
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:07,359
Speaker 2: Well, diversity and community are at opposite ends of the pole.

1082
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,119
The more diverse and in area, the less community forms. Conservatives

1083
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:14,760
are and always have been strong supporters of community. This

1084
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,560
is a point I've made in the Congress for the

1085
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,399
New URBANISMHA, which is something I was involved in almost

1086
01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:24,159
from the beginning, the recovery of traditional neighborhoods and town

1087
01:10:24,279 --> 01:10:27,680
designs as opposed to sprawl suburbs as an option, so

1088
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:33,560
that people have some choice other than sprawl. That the

1089
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,319
That's my train of thought, which happens a lot at

1090
01:10:37,359 --> 01:10:42,279
my age. The diversity and community are opposed to one

1091
01:10:42,279 --> 01:10:44,960
another because you get community most strongly where people are

1092
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,520
most alike, and conservatives like community that we vib you

1093
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:54,159
with very highly because the best way to enforce norms

1094
01:10:54,199 --> 01:10:57,560
of social behavior is through community pressure, not through law,

1095
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:02,479
not through police, not through courts, but simply that you

1096
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,640
find yourself on the outs with the community if you

1097
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,640
do certain things. And because community is something people want

1098
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,760
and value, if they're in a genuine community, that will

1099
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,600
concert a certain moderating tendency on what might be otherwise

1100
01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:25,600
extreme behaviors. So, you know, community is one of the

1101
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,359
things we want to recover through retroculture. And I'll close

1102
01:11:28,399 --> 01:11:32,560
with this because I think we're done if the country

1103
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:36,680
is to become again the America that it used to

1104
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,560
be that I remember from the fifties, and that, by

1105
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,600
the way, is what most of the immigrants are coming

1106
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,760
here for. That's their picture of America. It's the America

1107
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:49,159
father knows best. And I'll leave it to Beaver. It

1108
01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:53,039
was a great America. If we're going to recover that,

1109
01:11:53,119 --> 01:11:56,359
we can't sit back and just wait for Trump or

1110
01:11:56,399 --> 01:12:00,880
some other government official to do that for us. It

1111
01:12:01,159 --> 01:12:04,800
will come bottom up or not at all. It's important

1112
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,039
that the state not be an obstacle to it, and

1113
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:13,680
Trump's assault on cultural Marxism is disestablishing a lot of

1114
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,399
the obstacles to that traditional way of life that, of course,

1115
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,800
cultural Marxism had set up. Cultural Marxism loaths the America

1116
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:26,359
of the fifties. But if it's going to happen, it's

1117
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:29,279
going to be a bottom up movement, as more individuals

1118
01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:34,520
and families and hopefully communities start to say we're going

1119
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,600
to live in the old ways again. The old ways

1120
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:42,560
based on classic middle class values worked. The new ways

1121
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,960
that started when the counter culture of the sixties became

1122
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,520
the mainstream culture don't work. It's as simple as that,

1123
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:54,079
and I think there is the potential for such a

1124
01:12:54,079 --> 01:12:56,319
movement again. I've got a little book out on the subject.

1125
01:12:56,359 --> 01:13:01,199
It's called Retroculture. Taking America Back. It's happening in a

1126
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:05,479
growing number of places, and we need to build that

1127
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,399
into the kind of movement that the Left has built with, say,

1128
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:13,399
the environmental movement. Not course, if not something that is

1129
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,560
pushed by government, but where government again is not an

1130
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:22,239
obstacle to it. And we can, we can, indeed take

1131
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:26,000
America back, but it's something we each, as individuals and

1132
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:29,239
as families have to do. We can't wait and sit

1133
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:31,439
there and expect someone else to do it for us.

1134
01:13:32,359 --> 01:13:34,119
Speaker 1: That's what I've been saying for a long time. It's

1135
01:13:34,119 --> 01:13:37,119
all going to start at the local level. In in

1136
01:13:37,239 --> 01:13:39,720
order to repair this, it has to start at the

1137
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:44,079
local level. It cannot be top down. Rarely can you

1138
01:13:44,119 --> 01:13:46,680
solve anything from the top down. It's always from the

1139
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:47,199
bottom up.

1140
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,079
Speaker 2: As by Amish friends say, the reason we use buggies

1141
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:53,279
is because we want life to be local.

1142
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: Mister Field has do you have anything to finish with.

1143
01:13:59,079 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 3: No, I am speechless. I appreciate it again talking to us, Sir,

1144
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,439
I'd definitely be interested what you find out about Professor

1145
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:12,359
van Krebled and it was good anytime, sir.

1146
01:14:13,119 --> 01:14:16,359
Speaker 2: Okay, well, the I'll conclude with what I said to

1147
01:14:16,399 --> 01:14:20,640
Miamish friends. If your buggies could have bumper stickers on them.

1148
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,319
They can't, but if they could, theirs would read. We

1149
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:25,800
know what Jesus would drive.

1150
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,520
Speaker 1: I will make sure to uh to link to the

1151
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:36,680
American Conservative to I already have the traditional right, and

1152
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,319
then I will link to your books. And you know,

1153
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:46,159
I encourage encourage people listening to read read mister Lynde

1154
01:14:46,279 --> 01:14:49,239
and Tobias books. So thank you, thank you once again,

1155
01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:50,560
we really appreciate your time.

1156
01:14:51,319 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 2: Thank you. Happy to do it.