1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:03,839 Speaker 1: Big twelve football. 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 2: Mischief. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: Got some new sheriffs in down, but they better be careful. 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,440 So I'm been around here for a while and they 5 00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:21,480 might learn a thing or two. You see that there's 6 00:00:21,519 --> 00:00:28,559 a storm. Broad You're not scared, are you? You're always ready, 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:35,640 ready to go big twelve football. They don't get better 8 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:36,000 than this. 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,759 Speaker 2: Wether Banker before. 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Most of them 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,159 are national and even international visitors. Let's change that and 25 00:01:15,519 --> 00:01:18,680 enjoy the beauty of the earth here along the Wassatch Front. 26 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:20,400 Just a hop, skipping and jumping away from about three 27 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,079 hour three and a half hours away from Utah County. 28 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:27,239 Book your staycation today and have a great time naking 29 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,560 members with friends and family members. 30 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: Let's stock some Big. 31 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: Twelve football with Big twelve Insider also hosts of his 32 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,959 own show, The Drake Toll Show on Westwood One. 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,519 Speaker 2: We got Drake Toll on the line, Drake, how the 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:39,000 heck are you? 35 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 4: Man? I did what Edny twenty four year old does 36 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,840 when they're going through an early crisis. And I got 37 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,439 second dog today. So monumental day to be on your show. 38 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:51,200 Thanks for having me. 39 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,439 Speaker 2: Well is it now? I? 40 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: In my single life, okay, I dated a lot of 41 00:01:58,239 --> 00:02:01,000 different types of ladies, okay. And one of them was 42 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,359 very much an animal lover and not just animal and 43 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,919 like she she loved stray animals. She wanted to go 44 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:14,080 buy pound animals, she wanted to like like pure bred animals. 45 00:02:14,159 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: No, no, I didn't want anything to do with it. 46 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,439 Speaker 3: But like all of the animals on the earth, she 47 00:02:18,479 --> 00:02:19,599 wanted to bring into the home. 48 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: Is that you you know? 49 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 4: Indeed, I didn't think it was going to be me 50 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,639 but here I sit with two dogs at my feet. 51 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:34,560 One of them is a wonderful, beautiful, paid for Australian 52 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,159 Poodle and he is the single strangest dog you could 53 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:41,400 ever draw up. And the other is a rescue we 54 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,759 rescue today, Miss Sunday, and she's a Shepherd mixed, which 55 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:46,520 I don't really know what that means. She has no 56 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:50,319 shots and pleas So yes, Ben, I am giving the 57 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,199 rescue stray thing in my house. And when I'm picking 58 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:56,080 sleep out of my scalp in two days, I will 59 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,599 regret all of this decision making. 60 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: I love it. 61 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:02,479 Speaker 3: You've got a big heart and a big mind full 62 00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:07,199 of Big twelve content. Right now, we're getting into the 63 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:11,800 college football transfer portal chaos and the Big twelve, especially 64 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,919 Texas Tech. They're making freaking moves right like immediately they 65 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,759 go out and get their quarterback that they want they've 66 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:20,199 had their eye on for a while, and they're picking 67 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,680 up wide receivers. It seems like Texas Tech knows exactly 68 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,240 what they want. They fell short. They they made it 69 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,520 all look bad. For the love of all that Pete, 70 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,039 we had all this equity built up. Texas Tech is 71 00:03:31,039 --> 00:03:34,039 supposed to be something great and they fell flat on 72 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:36,879 their face because you know, they just didn't have a quarterback. 73 00:03:36,919 --> 00:03:39,800 Give me your eval of what happened, why it happened, 74 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,280 and what Texas Tech is doing now. 75 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:45,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, Texas Tech is gonna go full Pelton metal. And 76 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:49,599 the biggest piece of why they're they're having such early 77 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,080 success is the money. Sure, that's one thing, but the 78 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,639 other they have an entire department with their football program 79 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,960 set up for recruiting and the transfer portal. They've got 80 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,680 coaches whose full time job is to work the portal, 81 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:06,960 work recruiting, and do it even in season or in 82 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,680 December where these kids are entering the transfer portal. That 83 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,240 is such a big key to what Texas Tech has 84 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,879 seen success through the idea that we're not just a 85 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:20,600 bunch of football coaches. We're also salespeople, recruiters. We have 86 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,839 to sell the idea of winning at Texas Tech to 87 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:26,399 these student athletes who coming out of the transfer portal. 88 00:04:26,439 --> 00:04:29,279 And so they've attacked us for a long time and 89 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:35,319 one could argue tampering, Oh you're tampering. Than tampering, your tampering. 90 00:04:35,639 --> 00:04:38,279 We're all tampering. It's kind of part of the of 91 00:04:38,319 --> 00:04:41,040 the system now. Because it's such a broken system without 92 00:04:41,079 --> 00:04:43,879 any guardrails. What Texas Tech is doing is not illegal. 93 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,399 They're doing what everybody in the SEC has done forever, 94 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:49,160 and everybody the SEC is especially doing now in the 95 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,600 transfer portal era. Texas Tech has big money. They're going 96 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,560 after the big names, the big recruits that land of 97 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,480 Brendan Soaresby at their quarterback, a five star, And the 98 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,480 question becomes, can the I who was seven and five 99 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,360 at Cincinnati this past season walking to a Texas Tech 100 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:07,319 system and be better than Baron Morton. It needs to 101 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,959 be significantly better than Baron Morton, as you saw the 102 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:13,759 Red Raiders score zero points hit their college football playoff 103 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:15,879 game against Oregon. But I've also heard from a lot 104 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,959 of cover from coaches men that have told me, like 105 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:22,639 Big twelve coaches that have said, I just I feel 106 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:26,680 like Brendan Sowarsby isn't a five million dollars quarterback, And 107 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,560 I'm not sure if they didn't just get another ver 108 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,199 Baron Morton. There is a lot of there's a tumultuous 109 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,959 air around the pickup of Brendon Sworsby an intra conference 110 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,519 addition for Texas Tech, We'll see if the pays off 111 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,879 at that price tag pays off for Cody Campbell and 112 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:44,560 Joy McGuire. 113 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:47,319 Speaker 3: We know Texas Tech is at the top of the 114 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:50,959 food chain in the Big Twelve. Who are you like 115 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:54,560 your number two, number three, number four teams right now? 116 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,959 Heading into next season. We know that there's gonna be 117 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,920 plenty of movement in the portal. There's gonna be some 118 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,600 retention efforts made by all these Big Twelve teams. But 119 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:08,920 who are like your early favorites outside of Texas Tech 120 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,240 to once again compete for a Big Twelve title? 121 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:19,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, Ben, as long as bear Bachmeyer doesn't break the 122 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,639 honor coach, Let's be very clear. As long as bear 123 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,279 Backmeyer keeps it between the navigational booies, I think with 124 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,279 the Isaiah Glaster news and him coming back to BYU, 125 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:36,600 the Cougars are station at number two behind Texas tecond 126 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,920 the Big Twelve Conference, as they should be. Utah would 127 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:41,199 have been free. You could have argued for two with 128 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,240 Devin dan Pierre and obviously he is still expected as 129 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,959 of right now to come back. The hope is that 130 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,000 he will come back. I think they're down a few 131 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,759 notches with Kyle Woodingham the way that situation unfolded, insult 132 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,759 LA and everything I've heard, it's not a great time. 133 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,439 I mean, Utah is going to put its head down 134 00:06:55,439 --> 00:06:58,399 and try to operate without half its coaching staffrom last year, 135 00:06:58,399 --> 00:07:00,000 and it's head man, the Hall of Fame head coach 136 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,319 Kyle Whittingham. It'll be different, though, I mean, there are 137 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,279 still big question marks of what they're going to do 138 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:06,720 in twenty twenty six and how that how that program 139 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,800 looks without whitting him at the helm for the first 140 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,199 time in a couple of decades. It's Texas Tech one, 141 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:14,600 it's by U two, and that third spot is pretty open. 142 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,439 But right now, oddly enough, I'm leaning in on what Oklahoma. 143 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:19,639 Speaker 2: State is doing. 144 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 4: They took what Kurt Signetti did from James Madison to 145 00:07:22,879 --> 00:07:26,399 Indiana and they're replicating that. But with North Texas they 146 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:29,759 bring it Aaron Eric Morris, and Eric Morris hit the 147 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:32,560 ground running recruiting his own guys. It guts, I mean, 148 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,120 it absolutely guts that program in Denton, but it builds 149 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,920 in Stillwater and they've got a top three transfer portal 150 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:41,720 class right now because of what they've built off the 151 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:45,839 backbone of North Texas. So I liked I liked what 152 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,120 Oklahoma State is doing in the offseason. They'll have a 153 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:51,439 quick turnaround there if things continue in the training in 154 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,959 this direction in Arizona State to be doing keeping him 155 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:58,680 in town, reinvesting in the football. West Virginia year number two. 156 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,439 I'm really excited for you number two of Rich Rodriguez. 157 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,399 There's a Willie Fritz Houston. We forget that team. We're 158 00:08:04,399 --> 00:08:07,759 looking at a ten wins Houston team. I see three 159 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,360 or four Big twelve squad that are all competing for 160 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:12,720 that spot right behind Texas second e UYU. 161 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,839 Speaker 2: Is there a most underrated Big twelve team right now? 162 00:08:15,839 --> 00:08:19,759 Speaker 4: In your mind, still has to be Houston, Really still 163 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,439 has to be Houston. And nationally the most underrated Big 164 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,600 twelve team is BYU when you consider that they were 165 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:27,720 left out of the college football playoff. And I've said 166 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,920 it a million times in my show, that eleven and 167 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,519 one team in the Power four being held out. When 168 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:37,159 we have these these arbitrary subjective metrics were putting teams 169 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:40,159 in will we will look back in five years and say, oh, 170 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:43,240 that was a precedent. We did not want to set 171 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:45,879 the president an eleven and one Power four team can 172 00:08:45,919 --> 00:08:48,000 be held out of the College Football Playoff without any 173 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:52,440 account accountability to the committee. That is bad. That is 174 00:08:53,039 --> 00:08:58,600 the definition of overlooked, disrespected, absolutely spit on by the 175 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,799 college football world and was subject to that. So no 176 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:05,480 doubt they are the most underrated nationally when you look 177 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,039 at the committee that did not put them in despite 178 00:09:08,039 --> 00:09:10,200 them being one of the most disturbing twelve teams in 179 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,120 the country. And then past that, it's Houston and Willie Fritz. 180 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,879 They were dominant defensively for a large portion of twenty 181 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,279 twenty five. This pass ball was a really good fall 182 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:23,480 and then they competed against LSU in their bowl game 183 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,919 to cap BAF the season, winning a game against an 184 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,320 SEC team that pay alout a fourteen point cushion two 185 00:09:29,759 --> 00:09:33,279 in the beginning of that contest. Houston was incredibly oppressive 186 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,759 this year. As long as Willie Fritz has still got 187 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:37,320 it going on, as long as he is still the 188 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,879 head coach for the Cougars, they've got a shot to 189 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:42,960 win any and all game that they are in love 190 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,000 what he's building ten this season. But you wouldn't know 191 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:47,759 what if he turned your TV on, because no one's 192 00:09:47,799 --> 00:09:50,720 talking about the ten and three. Who's Houston Couger's. 193 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 3: Give me your theories as to why Bay was left 194 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,840 out the last two years of the College Football Playoff? 195 00:09:57,879 --> 00:10:00,919 Did you just chalk it up simplistically to Big twelve bias? 196 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,639 They you know, and they just you know, they're not 197 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,480 as big of a brand. What are you talking up to? 198 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:13,159 Speaker 4: This is a question that I genuinely goes deeper than that. 199 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,440 I think we have to go back to Lavelle Edwards 200 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:16,200 in the mid eighties. 201 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: There. 202 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 4: Okay, let's go back in pinpoint when BYU was at 203 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,960 its best in college football and the national championship year 204 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:33,240 was certainly it, but the rhetoric nationally after that was 205 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:36,879 never again BYU. How do we keep BYU from being 206 00:10:36,919 --> 00:10:39,159 a part of this again? We cannot be giving national 207 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,360 championships to BYU because they are perceive the little man. 208 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,039 They are this perceived underdog that we don't want to 209 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,600 consider a stalwart or powerhouse in our sport. And then 210 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:53,080 after that there is a history of the next couple 211 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,360 of decades of leaving BYU out that there's the Bowl Commission, 212 00:10:57,399 --> 00:11:00,759 The Bowl Alliance is created because of the EU getting 213 00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:03,879 left out of a New Year's Day Bowl, And then 214 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:07,320 there's the BCS, which is in essence almost created because 215 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,240 of BYU trying to and it's the second of the BCS. Okay, well, 216 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:13,080 we finally figured it out. We can put the most 217 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,919 deserving teams in the ballgames that deserve to go to 218 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,720 and pretty immediately BYU deserves to be a Sugar Bowl team, 219 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:20,879 a Rose Bowl team in one of these major bowls. 220 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:24,759 They get left out again if the goalposts continue to 221 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,519 move specifically for one school, and it is BYU, and 222 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,559 those goal posts are being away from the university, away 223 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,159 from football program, away from opportunities. So I can be 224 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,559 the crazy person. I can be the guy in the 225 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:38,639 tinfoil hat who's going back in the mid eighties and 226 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,360 saying there's an underlying reason why BYU has been left 227 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,000 out the last few years, have been disrespected the last 228 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,240 two years, but it's no coincidence when you look at 229 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:51,360 the way that college football has historically created this program. 230 00:11:51,639 --> 00:11:55,440 It is not an accident. It is purposeful, and it 231 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,000 is the reason that BYU is once again left out 232 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:03,840 for whether it's religion discrimination, whether it's it's discrimination against 233 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,240 the brand itself, whether it's that that feeling that you 234 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,159 got when Leavell Edwards won the national championship, and the 235 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,639 big wigs, the big dogs, the Michigan's of the world, thought, Nope, 236 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:13,360 that should have been us. That's not a word we 237 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:17,720 can give to the little guy BYU. Whether it's any 238 00:12:17,759 --> 00:12:20,440 of those things, I'm not sure if you can pinpoint 239 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,159 a single one, but you have to understand this is 240 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,039 more than just twenty twenty five. This goes back decades 241 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,960 of BYU being disrespected. It is a trend. It is 242 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,600 a very very bad trend in college football. 243 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 3: Drake Toll Lockdown Big twelve also a host the host 244 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,799 of his west Wood one show, Drake Toll Show here 245 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,679 on esp and the fans talking some Big twelve football, 246 00:12:44,799 --> 00:12:46,639 you know, every single year. I mean, we're we're in 247 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,799 twenty twenty six, we're gonna have another shakeup of the 248 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,039 of the college football world. Probably in twenty twenty nine, 249 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,279 twenty thirty. We're gonna see maybe an expansiontal playoff. Over 250 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,120 the next year or two, we'll see. 251 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:00,639 Speaker 2: How that worked itself. 252 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:05,879 Speaker 3: Out here in Utah, there's always talk about the team, 253 00:13:06,039 --> 00:13:07,840 the next team that's gonna get called up to the 254 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:08,720 big leagues, the. 255 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,519 Speaker 2: Big ten and the SEC. 256 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,039 Speaker 3: Now, I personally think that the SEC has been built 257 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,840 their brand, their equity over the last thirty years has 258 00:13:17,919 --> 00:13:20,799 been built off of bag men and cheating. And now 259 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:24,600 we're seeing kind of the realization of a free market 260 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:30,360 college football capitalistic economy even in the playing field, now 261 00:13:30,399 --> 00:13:32,519 that we can all compete at the same level and 262 00:13:32,519 --> 00:13:37,600 not have college football cartels and cabals limiting the access, etc. 263 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:42,240 But give me your thought on the next maybe domino 264 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,519 to fall. Give me your thoughts on maybe the next 265 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,759 team to get called up to the big leagues. 266 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:50,519 Speaker 2: If we do have somewhat of a power. 267 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:55,399 Speaker 3: To conglomerate that does come about. I don't think it will, 268 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,919 but it could give me a few of your thoughts 269 00:13:57,919 --> 00:13:59,320 on some of those topics here. 270 00:14:00,759 --> 00:14:04,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think Ben that as we moved thirty 271 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:05,960 hit the nail on the head of the timeline. Here 272 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,120 we'll start talking about what Clemson and Florida State do. 273 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,039 We're as a country, as college football fans, starting to 274 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,039 forget that those two schools sued the ACC and half 275 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:17,919 of that conference that we're going to leave if something 276 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,000 does not change in the wake of that. That's when 277 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:22,840 Cal and Stanford SMU came in and they went to 278 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:26,360 seventeen teams. Some people are going to point to Notre 279 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,679 Dame as the north star of where we're going, where 280 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:31,720 this is headed, and what conference they join. I don't 281 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:34,960 see it that way. I personally believe once those two 282 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,279 schools leave the ACC, what it's now opened the door 283 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,240 for them. And this is the same thing I've heard 284 00:14:40,279 --> 00:14:43,799 from multiple people. Now, is Brett Yormark to look at 285 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:47,200 the ACC as so inferior. He can pick apart the 286 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,320 pieces he wants and build up the Big Twelve in 287 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,440 essence creating a power three with the SEC and the 288 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,840 Big Ten. That is the goal. Brett sees it coming. 289 00:14:55,879 --> 00:14:59,320 He is a businessman. He knows when the ACC loses 290 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,039 its power and they're still power Well, they were bad 291 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:03,600 at football this year in Florida State and for them, 292 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:05,799 yet they're still power brokers. They have the brands, they 293 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,399 have the money. When you have the money, you control everything. 294 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,320 When they exit the Big twelve, that's an opportunity to poach. Now, 295 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:13,799 there will be Big twelve schools three years, so we're 296 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,279 getting close to this three years from now that say 297 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:19,879 we want an opportunity somewhere else, and those schools will 298 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:22,799 be Texas Tech. They will be Utah, they will be BYU, 299 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:25,840 They'll be the universities that invest the most. But the 300 00:15:25,919 --> 00:15:29,919 problem is is we don't have a brand like Florida 301 00:15:29,919 --> 00:15:33,120 State that can lose for ten straight years and still 302 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,759 be again a power broker in college football. What you 303 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:39,919 will have to do out of this league is win consistently. 304 00:15:40,159 --> 00:15:41,480 If you're Utah and you want to go to the 305 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,039 Big Ten, if you're BYU and you want to go 306 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:44,679 to the Big Ten, if you're Texas Tech and you 307 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,080 want to go to the SEC or the Big Ten, 308 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,120 you have to continue to win Big Twelve championships, play 309 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:51,639 in the Big Twelve title game, go to the College 310 00:15:51,679 --> 00:15:54,480 Football Playoff, and win games. Otherwise, the Big Ten doesn't 311 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:56,759 want to take a spout of the Big Twelve that's 312 00:15:56,799 --> 00:15:58,399 never been to the Dance, that's never won a Game 313 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,440 of the Dance and can't compete for a national chamampionship. 314 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,279 That's not their goal. It's not what they did in 315 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:03,960 adding the team they added in the pack. Well, they 316 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,120 want to add big money and big money that had 317 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:08,720 competed in the last decade or had massive brands. The 318 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:12,080 Big Twelve, where it doesn't have brands, where it lacks brands, 319 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,960 makes up for in playing the game and the way 320 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,000 that we used to love college football. The Big Twelve 321 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,600 is great at that, but it doesn't always sell the 322 00:16:20,679 --> 00:16:24,399 tablet fell. People want stories from the big schools, and 323 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:26,320 if the Big twelve is going to build those, we 324 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,720 need consistent winning elite teams at the top. BYU, Texas 325 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,159 Tech and now, even after one year of rebuilding its 326 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,120 brand in football, Utah come to mind, those three schools 327 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,919 will be the next dominoes to go if somebody from 328 00:16:39,919 --> 00:16:41,600 the Big talb gets the call up to the Big 329 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:42,639 two conferences. 330 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: Drake tall, ladies and gentlemen, I do think the Big 331 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,519 twelve future is bright. 332 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: I wish the Big twelve maybe. 333 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: Bull record was a little bit better, but I think 334 00:16:54,039 --> 00:16:59,159 they've showcased decently well. Unfortunately, Texas Tech kind of fell 335 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,320 flat on their face. Hopefully they bounce back, and I 336 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:02,879 think they will. I think they'll be ready to go 337 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,200 uh this uh this next season, and we'll probably be 338 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,000 the bell of the ball in the Big twelve going 339 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:11,480 forward with all that filthy lucre cash that they have 340 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,240 backing of that that oil money, that oil money, that 341 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,279 crude baby. 342 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:18,559 Speaker 2: Uh, I know you're a Texas guy. You know about 343 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:19,519 that Texas. 344 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 4: Anyone on the Walsas Mountains. 345 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they have, they have. Uh we have silicon slopes. 346 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:27,920 We got that going for us. We have the tech 347 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,079 world bid us. But Black black Gold is a little. 348 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:33,599 Speaker 2: Bit more filthy, if you know what I mean. 349 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,319 Speaker 3: Drake pol Ladies and gentlemen appreciate him joining us. Great 350 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:45,079 stuff as always. Make sure you download his podcast subscribe 351 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,799 to it every single day Big twelve Locked on Big 352 00:17:47,839 --> 00:17:50,240 twelve Insider. That segment was brought to you by rubies In, 353 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,720 rubies in dot Com. 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All right, leave out more 361 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:18,440 named Ronald. 362 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 5: All right, it's the moment we all have been waiting for. 363 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 2: Ben. 364 00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:26,799 Speaker 5: This is Perpexample DYU is working to finalize the deal 365 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:30,599 to promote Kelly fopinga to defensive coordinator and play call. 366 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,920 He's been promoted with special teams coordinator. 367 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:35,079 Speaker 2: So there you go. 368 00:18:35,279 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 5: We've been waiting for it, Ben h for a long time. Okay, 369 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:39,880 here's a finish off. Was clicking on the ESPN app 370 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,720 but I apologize. He's been promoted from special teams coordinator 371 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:46,759 slash defensive ends coach. He's coached two stints at BYU 372 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:50,759 twenty nine to fifteen and twenty twenty two through president. 373 00:18:50,839 --> 00:18:52,480 He takes over for Jill who left to become the 374 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:55,599 defensive coordinator at Michigan, but Pinka spent twenty sixteen at 375 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,960 twenty one at Virginia. He's a BYU graduate and former 376 00:18:59,599 --> 00:19:00,920 stall linebacker. 377 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: There it is been. 378 00:19:01,799 --> 00:19:04,319 Speaker 5: We've been waiting, and it has been announced. 379 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: There we go. Love this higher well deserved. I'll keep 380 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,160 on saying, there's uh. 381 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: Special teams has been the best unit over the last 382 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,599 three years. Year every year, better than the offense, better 383 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,359 than the defense. He's been the special teams coordinator. He's 384 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:28,160 a former BYU great He's recruited, recruited, coached, and developed 385 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,920 arguably the best defensive players in BYU football history. 386 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: Kyle Vanoy and Fred Warner. Who's better? 387 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 3: Jason Buck is up there too, right, But in the 388 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:50,319 modern era, the best defensive player, the best defensive players 389 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:59,519 in BYU football history. Okay, we're recruited, signed, developed. 390 00:19:59,759 --> 00:20:01,759 Speaker 2: Co by Kelly Papinga. 391 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 3: That alone is enough for me to say, Look, this 392 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:11,200 guy deserves an opportunity. He's been a co DC at 393 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:16,000 Virginia PU four institution, He's recruited around the country, phenomenal recruiter, 394 00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:19,920 phenomenal developer, puts in the work, and he's loyal, strong 395 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,920 and true, loves BYU, loves Provo. 396 00:20:27,319 --> 00:20:31,279 Speaker 2: And I mean I was his teammate for three years. 397 00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:34,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's gonna be some bias, but every day, Bro, 398 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:40,039 we competed on the scout team. Every day we were 399 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:45,000 getting in fights with the offense. Every day we bawled out. 400 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,480 In two thousand and six, he should have been a starter. 401 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 2: He's a rotational guy. Should have been a start. 402 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: I don't want to get into it, but he should 403 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,680 have been a guy that was starting next to me 404 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:01,839 in my opinion, Okay, every single play. And the following 405 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,119 year he did move up and was the starter at 406 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,160 mike linebacker, replacing Cameron Jensen and a team captain, led 407 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,960 with integrity, led with by example, and balled out for 408 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:17,279 Brigham playing in the NFL. He's got the NFL pedigree 409 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:22,319 as well, comes from a fantastic football family. You hear 410 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,440 Brady papingall on the show every single week. I love 411 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:29,920 this higher. I think it's the right higher. This guy 412 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,000 has grit, tenacity, energy, he's young, he's full of vigor 413 00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:41,119 and vim and he's gonna be great guys. And this also, okay, 414 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:47,400 this allows for the continuity in chemistry and culture of 415 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:51,519 the defense that has been built over the last few years. 416 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: You like the scheme. 417 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:57,079 Speaker 3: This is a brainchild of a conglomertive coaches. 418 00:21:57,519 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: This is not just This is not just. This is 419 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,279 not a J. Hill defense. I'm sorry. 420 00:22:01,519 --> 00:22:03,559 Speaker 3: This is not the Kyle Whenyham defense. This is not 421 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:08,519 just the Koilani Satake defense. This is an aggregate conglomerate 422 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:18,160 of j Kelly, Kilanie, Kyle, Gary Anderson, Gennaro, justin Enna. 423 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:24,839 Everybody's contributing this last year seventy thirty Okay, you saw 424 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,079 thirty fronts. 425 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,799 Speaker 2: Versus forty fronts. If it was a true just J. 426 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,079 Hill defense, right, he probably would have been a forty 427 00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:32,960 front the. 428 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 3: Entire game, the entire time. Four two five Nickel, go 429 00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:41,480 back and check tape. 430 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:43,759 Speaker 2: That's not what I saw. That's not what we saw. 431 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 3: We saw thirty front, we saw stand up outside linebacker. 432 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,359 We saw Jack Kelly on the edge. 433 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,559 Speaker 2: Two point. We saw a new sea. The news has 434 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:54,319 got the juice. Two point. 435 00:22:55,599 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 3: We saw a plethora of different player personnel, uh implementations. 436 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:06,559 You saw a decent amount of nickel, Yes, right, but 437 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:09,279 not not. 438 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 2: Just the the the. 439 00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 3: The Coylewititdingham lineage four two five. Sorry, that's not it, 440 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:21,799 not it. K Pop congratulations. K pop has got the opportunity. 441 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,359 Can't wait to see what he does with it. Here 442 00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:27,279 in twenty twenty six and beyond, we'll go to break, 443 00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:30,759 don't go anywhere. Still plenty to get to on a Wednesday, 444 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,000 January seventh edition of Cougar Sports. Here on your Uti, 445 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,000 ESBN ready on Network one O three nine ninety eight 446 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,400 point three