WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.839 Jesse Jackson Junior Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior 2 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:11.880 Show on Thursdays and all ways world hopen Johnny Mack. 3 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:16.879 Johnny Mack is one of my great contributors on the 4 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:19.559 Jesse Jackson Junior Show, and I'm particularly honored of going 5 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:22.519 into the new year, doctor Mack has joined us in 6 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:27.719 his regularly scheduled position on the show. Doctor Mack, welcome 7 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:29.280 forward to our show. 8 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:34.320 Thank you so much, Jesse always it's a pleasure happy 9 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:36.520 news for Johnny and same to you, man. 10 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:38.439 And I've missed you man. I know that we've had 11 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:41.119 some some unnecessary time off during the holidays to have 12 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.799 allowed us the privilege of having a few days off 13 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:48.479 and playing some of the older shows, but nothing like 14 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:49.439 Live with Johnny Mack. 15 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:54.000 You're kind I'm glad to be back in conversation. There's 16 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:56.399 so much to talk about, Johnny. 17 00:00:56.439 --> 00:00:59.280 If I can kick the conversation off with just maybe 18 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:01.719 two points that we're kind of going to be reflecting 19 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:04.560 on back and forth over the course of the year, 20 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:08.480 and that is the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of 21 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:13.159 the Declaration of Independence. July fourth, seventeen seventy six. July fourth, 22 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:17.200 twenty twenty six, we start the new year off and 23 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:20.079 had a wonderful conversation in the last hour with Atiba 24 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:24.640 with a woman in Minnesota by the United States of 25 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:31.640 America getting shot in the face, exercising what there's sufficient 26 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:35.840 evidence to suggest her constitutional rights to challenge law enforcement 27 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:42.879 and their behavior in Minneapolis, Minnesota. And I'm thinking, and 28 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:48.480 Atiba reminded us before the last break that the Viola 29 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:55.359 Luitso turning point and the James Reeb turning point were 30 00:01:55.640 --> 00:02:02.200 significant turning points in nineteen sixty five between Selma and Montgomery. 31 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:05.319 And even though blacks have been losing their lives in 32 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.639 the South for a number of decades, maybe even a number, 33 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:15.080 clearly a number of centuries, when white life dies in 34 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:18.560 this struggle, it tends to be a turning point in 35 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:21.960 ways that we saw with the example that I gave 36 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:26.240 about Bobby Kennedy, Johnny, your thoughts on the standard and 37 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:29.280 your thoughts about you know, where we are in this moment? 38 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.879 Yeah, so where we are in this moment first, perhaps Jesse, 39 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:40.080 and then my thoughts about you know, what essentially is 40 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:45.719 which lives matter and how much they matter? You know, 41 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:50.360 where we are in the moment Jesse, is so important 42 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:54.960 for us all to understand and to understand it in 43 00:02:55.000 --> 00:03:02.199 a very existential way. We've talked to our many conversations 44 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:07.199 on this show about being in the middle of a 45 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:15.599 process that is establishing a new world order, and Jesse, 46 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:18.960 we can't spend enough time on that, in my view 47 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:27.159 reularly because the average listener on this program, and more broadly, 48 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:34.439 the average citizen doesn't have the tools, Jesse, or if 49 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:38.800 we have the tools, we know not how to use 50 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:44.680 the tools to understand where we are, determine whether that 51 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:48.560 is where we ought to be, and if not, where 52 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:54.360 then should we go? And again, the moment that we 53 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:59.639 are in is not just a moment, it's a process, 54 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:05.639 and we are going through the process of establishing a 55 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:11.439 new world order. Who's participating in that? My point is 56 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:16.279 the average citizen should have us say in what that 57 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:20.560 new world order is. But if we don't have the tools, 58 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:23.319 or if we have the tools, then we don't know 59 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:27.240 how to use them, how then do we participate? And 60 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:31.160 why then do we allow others to determine what the 61 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:34.639 trajectory of our lives should be and what the social 62 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:39.040 order should be. That determines the quality of our lives. 63 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:45.000 And therein Jesse lies the problem with the poor sister 64 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:52.199 who lost her life so needlessly. It is in large part, 65 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:55.959 I argue, because we don't know where we are, We 66 00:04:56.040 --> 00:05:00.240 have forgotten from where we've come, and we have no 67 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:02.319 no of where we're going. 68 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:06.360 Johnny, I know that we're going to be coming forward 69 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:08.160 in just a moment. But in this moment, I must 70 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:13.319 admit I feel some kind of way about my existence 71 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:18.600 being replaced, potentially by artificial intelligence with more efficient systems. 72 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:22.639 I feel some kind of way about the greedy taking 73 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:26.160 oil from underneath my feet if I'm a Venezuelan, or 74 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:29.319 lithium out of the congo. And yet some of the 75 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:34.720 poorest people box side cobalt are in the congo without 76 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:38.279 the ability to take their raw materials and turn them 77 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:42.800 into cell phones, or to computers or to drones. And 78 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:48.839 somehow the blessed of us get to take advantage of 79 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:52.600 all of the resources of the world, and the rest 80 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:57.839 of us become expendable in that process. It's not just 81 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:02.240 about creating jobs. It's about for me, creating middle class jobs, 82 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:06.439 jobs where people can pay a mortgage, can put their 83 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:10.480 children through college, children can look forward to owning the 84 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:14.319 homes of their parents, or even buying their own homes 85 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:18.639 as first time home buyer buyers. We're not creating middle 86 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.800 class jobs. In fact, we are replacing the middle class 87 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:26.680 with artificial means of intelligence. We are taking natural resources 88 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:28.800 from the poorest of the poor in the world. We 89 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:32.560 are bullying them, we are bribing them, we are stealing them. 90 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:35.800 And I'm deeply troubled by the world that we are inheriting. 91 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:37.839 And it's not the world that Doctor King left us with. 92 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:38.000 More. 93 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.199 When we come forward with Johnny Mack, when we come 94 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:41.800 forward on the World House on Ka Bi and Ley 95 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:45.199 Talk fifteen eighty, Jesse l. 96 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:58.000 The world, Johnny, the Jesse Gas Brilliants. 97 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:04.680 To us, Doctor macw welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson 98 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:08.160 Junior Show. Thank you, Jesse, doctor Mac. There's a sense 99 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:12.759 of a sense of loneliness, a sense of alienation in 100 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:16.839 this particular transformation of the way in which the world 101 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:21.160 order and the economies of the world are transforming themselves. 102 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:28.000 And they don't seem to be as human centered as 103 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:33.199 as they should be. And maybe it was inevitable that 104 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:39.959 the idea of a human centered ethos driven by a 105 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:49.120 system that is a profit maximizing never ending combine. That's 106 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:53.240 operating in the middle of a cornfield with no driver, 107 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:57.639 but being guided by some kind of satellite for maximum profit. 108 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:02.639 It's a machine that in some ways is out of control, 109 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:08.680 but it makes mincemeat of people in the process. Johnny, 110 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:12.240 the ninety seventh birthday of Martin Luther King Junior is 111 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:15.639 upon us. How would doctor King see the world in 112 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:18.040 which we presently find ourselves? 113 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:24.160 So I think doctor King, well, not the exact details 114 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:30.480 and probably not the same magnitude that we are realizing 115 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:34.240 in terms of the quantum leaps. And I use that 116 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:42.159 word intentionally. The technology has taken that he saw something 117 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:46.679 like this as he stood on that mountaintop and he 118 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:50.559 looked over and he saw the promised Land. I'm not 119 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:55.960 so sure, however, that the promised land as we are 120 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:00.480 beginning to realize it today, is that land that that 121 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.840 King and vision. So I don't want to mislead our 122 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:10.600 audience in that regard. I think King would would say, 123 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:15.840 I told you so, you know, and I warn you 124 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:20.879 that you should or yes that you remember Jesse King 125 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:25.039 said I may not get there with you. Well, that 126 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:27.919 applies not only to the promised land, of his vision, 127 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.559 but it also applies to the land we are in now. 128 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:36.720 He knew he will not get here with us. 129 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:39.360 That's deep. 130 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:45.240 Yeah, So we as a people not only had in 131 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:49.480 his mind to come together to realize that vision of 132 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:55.200 the Promised Land. In other spaces and places he talked about, 133 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:59.720 we as a people had to come together and prepare 134 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:04.360 for or what would come if we had not reached 135 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:07.879 yet the promised Land. And that's where we are, Jesse, 136 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:11.360 to you the question you previously asked, where are we? 137 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:17.399 And that's where King says, in my mind, See, I 138 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:20.639 told you so. I warned you that you must mobilize 139 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:25.120 and organize yourself. I warned you that you must realize 140 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:28.360 that a new world order is coming, and you must 141 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.919 prepare yourself for it. Not only for what would come 142 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:35.399 as a new world order, but you must prepare yourself 143 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:38.360 to be part of the process that determines what that 144 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:43.519 new world order would be. And Jesse, we simply haven't 145 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:46.080 done that. And that's why I'm so passionate about this. 146 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:49.480 His vision, his idea of a world house that we 147 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:54.159 must we must learn. He didn't say, Jesse, you and 148 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:57.440 Johnny must learn, and Tom and Fred it must learn, 149 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:01.159 and Barbara and Bobby must learn learn. He said, we 150 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:05.440 must all come together, and I'll add the words insolidarity 151 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.720 to determine how we're going to live in the World House. 152 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.840 And that work we have not done, which is why 153 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.879 we are so fragmented today as a people. And when 154 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.480 I say as a people, I don't mean as black 155 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:25.679 people necessarily and particularly solely. I mean we as global citizens, 156 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:34.000 as planetizens, as people of the human race. I can 157 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:36.039 go on, Jesse, but I'll stop and take a breath. 158 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:40.559 Well, I go right ahead. I'm a little bit troubled 159 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:45.080 because I think of one of the most successful models 160 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:52.200 of a people connected to a land that has actually 161 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:58.039 become a part of their identity is global Jewelry. Since 162 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:03.279 the Balfour Agreement, Israel a place of refuge for Jewish people, 163 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:07.320 with the narrative, of course, of the events of World 164 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:12.600 War two that led to the prioritization the global community 165 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:18.240 of the creation of the state, largely with the influence 166 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:21.039 on the support of the United States given our hegemony 167 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:25.399 at the time, and what had horrifically happened to the 168 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:30.120 Jewish people the creation of Israel. But today in modern psychology, 169 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.080 for the world, and for Jewish people alike, they have 170 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:37.120 a place to go. It's part of their theology, it's 171 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:40.840 part of their existential reality. It's part of the internalization 172 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:46.080 of who they are. It's philosophy, it's theology, it's scholastic, 173 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:49.600 it's academic. It is the core of who they are. 174 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:54.399 Where are you on Israel and its existence? We still 175 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:57.919 here in the United States as African Americans are a 176 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:12.639 people without a land and to take that which they 177 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:16.679 don't want on the surface, or the concerns for which 178 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:24.360 doctor King clearly expressed, or terrestrial dwellers, people on top 179 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:29.000 of the land who need the resources beneath their land 180 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:34.440 in order to transform their existence from one of poverty, 181 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:39.080 from one where first fresh water does not exist, from 182 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:42.200 one where hospitals are not being built, and when they 183 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:47.039 are being built, they're being built by philanthropists on the 184 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:50.360 outside of the countries. Because the absence of doctors and 185 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.320 sustainable development make trauma one, drama two, or trauma three 186 00:13:54.399 --> 00:14:02.720 level centers in many of these countries, and impossible reality. Wondering, Johnny, 187 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:07.519 if this idea of the poor shall be with us always? 188 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:12.720 It might have been something that was said biblically but 189 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:18.679 the reality is the organized, industrialized and modernized nations of 190 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.919 the world do have the power to eliminate poverty from 191 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:27.440 the earth right now. But it's a function of human will, 192 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:34.200 and I think doctor King understood that, in fact, on 193 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.840 Martin Luther King's ninety seventh birthday. I'm going to be 194 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:42.360 speaking at Reverend Will Hall's church next weekend and a 195 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:45.200 weekend after next, and I'll be speaking in Walkeingan, Illinois, 196 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:47.679 and I'm modeling my speech. I'm going to give away 197 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:56.480 my title right now, Beyond Venezuela, modeling it after Beyond Vietnam, 198 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.679 delivered by Martin Luther King Junior. Beyond Venezuela. Help me 199 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:09.240 with that, Johnny, Beyond Venezuela Modern interpretation of a riverside. 200 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:16.559 Well, uh yeah, another of those tall orders. I can't 201 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:21.919 wait to hear your your speech at Jesse. Remember we 202 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:28.559 talk about We've talked about understanding where we are what 203 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:33.120 I like to call both in time and over time, 204 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:41.440 and I think that that consideration applies here. You know, 205 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:47.440 there's a certain now not yet tension that human beings 206 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:52.840 are always confronted with we are Your point about you know, 207 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:57.600 the existential what is happening to us right now in 208 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:06.720 our lives. What is happening in Venezuela right now is important, 209 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:11.399 but let's not let it overwhelm us. So it's that 210 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:17.600 we don't understand what is not yet. In other words, 211 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:27.279 is this move strictly about oil or is there something 212 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:33.840 else going on? Is it about poverty today or is 213 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:36.320 there something else going on? Again, we're talking about the 214 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:41.240 now and the not yet. Jesse, I would encourage you 215 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:48.720 to consider in your speech this now or not yet dilemma, 216 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.919 and in doing so, think about that document we talked 217 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:58.039 about several weeks ago, called Project twenty twenty five. If 218 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:02.399 one takes the time to carefully read that document, one 219 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:09.319 would not be surprised that what's happening in Venezuela is 220 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:16.759 expressly written about in Project twenty twenty five. Please read 221 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:24.319 the document. It expressly talks about taking over Venezuela, and 222 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:28.920 not only Venezuela, but several other countries. It talks about Cuba, 223 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:33.680 it talks about Nicaragua, it talks about Colombia, it talks 224 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:39.720 about Magel, It talks about so many other countries, particularly 225 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:44.319 in the Western Hemisphere. Now remember now I'm asking you 226 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:49.079 a question about beyond Venezuela. In other words, we're not 227 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:53.720 stopping we the United States or they those who are 228 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.880 in charge of our state United States today, it does 229 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:03.079 not stop at Venezuela. So you're beyond Venezuela. Is what next? 230 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.720 Where do they go from here? Well, that's all flagged 231 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:12.359 in this Project twenty twenty five document. And is this 232 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:18.039 critically important to what is actually taking place in preparation 233 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.799 for what is yet to come? I can expand on 234 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:25.799 that a bit more, but again as the outtake of Breath, 235 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:29.839 and perhaps you may run a weigh in on this idea. 236 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:38.240 I'm I'm troubled at the not linear nature of the 237 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:43.000 progress that we've made since doctor King talked about beyond Vietnam. 238 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:48.079 But just how much worse it is in terms of 239 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:52.599 the nation's military spending in the modern era, and how 240 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:57.640 we've learned nothing that the investments in human capital have 241 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:01.920 taken a hit. Twenty million peace people are are losing 242 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:06.359 their their premiums are going to skyrocket this week, and 243 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:08.720 it doesn't appear that Congress is going to do anything 244 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.039 serious about them, and this very week, by the end 245 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:17.480 of the week, that SNAP benefits are jeopardized. By the 246 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:23.559 present congressional and presidential order under the Big so called 247 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:28.680 Big Beautiful Bill and Doctor King had an emphasis and 248 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:33.559 a focus on poverty and the elimination of of of 249 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.279 hunger in not only our country but in our world. 250 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:39.400 And certainly before you can ask a man or a 251 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:43.480 woman to show concern for civil rights and human rights 252 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:47.000 of other people, you've got to take starvation out of 253 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.720 their stomach. I mean, a person who's starving doesn't have 254 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:55.079 much time for philosophy and social adjustment or social adhesion. 255 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:00.160 They have to make an adjustment that is more reflect 256 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:08.519 of someone who who can organize reasonable thought, Johnny, that 257 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:12.920 includes the basic necessities of life for which they can 258 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:18.680 go forward so beyond Venezuela. With the population of the 259 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.839 world growing at the rate that it's growing, really shares 260 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:26.920 with me that our priorities for the natural resources, the 261 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:29.920 critical minerals that we've heard about in almost every venture 262 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.039 that the President of the United States has taken, is 263 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:36.519 that he and in the final analysis, these natural resources 264 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:41.480 belong to many unborn generations of people who live in 265 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:45.359 these countries, and in a global economy of the future, 266 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:49.720 they will have nothing to negotiate with the means by 267 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:55.400 which we are extracting minerals and resources from underneath their 268 00:20:55.440 --> 00:21:02.720 feet are so vast and so great that the consequences 269 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:06.440 I think are are just are just are just amazing. 270 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:11.359 And I'm stumbling with the speech, but I'm feeling comfortable 271 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.119 that I'm in, I'm in, I'm in the right tradition. 272 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:19.039 Yes, Jesse, I think we're probably close to break. If 273 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:20.839 not now, I sure hope we can pick up this 274 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:24.640 point after the break, because theres much just say about 275 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:27.799 what you so you know absolutely framed. 276 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:31.640 Here, I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Listening to Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 277 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:35.440 We're in thought provoking Thursdays with Johnny Mack on the 278 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:40.119 World House on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. I'm so grateful 279 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:42.279 that doctor Mack is with us in the new year. 280 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:45.720 We're all so blessed to have his presence. My goodness, 281 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.559 we're also blessed to be here ourselves more on KBLA 282 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:51.240 Talk fifteen eighty. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. When we come 283 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:53.839 forward more with doctor Johnny Mack, Hey, doctor Mac. Jesse 284 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:56.839 Jackson Junior here, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior 285 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:59.960 Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty Doctor Mack, welcome forward, 286 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:01.680 Thank you, Jesse. 287 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:02.519 Good to be here. 288 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:06.039 Hey, Johnny, let me ask you a question. I'm thinking 289 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:13.640 in this moment that moral voices are being drowned out. 290 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:16.519 I'm not going to say that they don't exist, but 291 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:21.839 the overwhelming use of the bully pulpit, the overwhelming use 292 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:27.960 of the microphone, is stifling our ability to heal, to 293 00:22:28.039 --> 00:22:34.720 hear the moral clarity or the clarion call of righteousness 294 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:39.480 and justice at this hour we penetrate. How do we 295 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:43.640 break through with moral clarity? 296 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:48.880 Yeah, what a wonderful question my view, Jesse. And this 297 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:57.000 is part of what I I research and our work 298 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:01.119 is about at the World House Project. In today's world, 299 00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:05.359 as you noted when we opened the program, today, we 300 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:09.799 have a new technological framework. We have AI, we have 301 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:16.480 quantum computing, blockchain technology, and so much more. And we 302 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:21.400 have this phenomena called social media, something we did not 303 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:26.359 have it certainly in the mid twentieth century. New technologies 304 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:32.720 have put literally the entire world, literally, Jesse, the entire 305 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:37.559 world in the palm of the hand of even some 306 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:43.839 of the poorest people in the world. If you let 307 00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:47.440 that sync in we didn't have that kind of technology. 308 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:52.440 Among the things that type of technology does is it 309 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:58.480 diffuses not only information, but it also diffuses attention. And 310 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.519 in the mid twentieth century, particularly during Martin Luther King 311 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:12.119 Junior's time, a speech on that the Lincoln Memorial had 312 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:17.200 the opportunity to be broadcasted on a very narrow set of. 313 00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:20.400 Channels. 314 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:25.359 Today there's an infinite literally number of channels where people 315 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:30.519 can get information. Remember in our last segment, we talked 316 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:34.119 about King saying I warned you. I warned you that 317 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:38.240 you had to study nonviolence and you had to prepare 318 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:43.160 and mobilize and organize yourself because again I believe he 319 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:51.759 saw that those tactics, those strategies and methodologies that were 320 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:56.279 pertident and irrelevant for that time would not be sufficient. 321 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:01.920 And Jesse King says almost the as exact words, that 322 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:06.559 they would not be sufficient for our time. And so 323 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:09.160 one of the reasons we don't hear moral voices, we 324 00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:15.119 haven't learned to use our platforms of technology today that 325 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:21.400 we're so effectively used in his time, including the speech 326 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:26.319 in nineteen sixty three at the Lincoln Memorial. And so 327 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.440 I think that's one of the challenges It is also 328 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:33.759 one of the opportunities we spend more time. Now Your 329 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.559 very radio program, in my judgment, is one of those opportunities, 330 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:42.240 and so many more programs like it. We simply have 331 00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:48.160 to study more carefully and make opportunities available to so 332 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:51.200 many more voices because we are looking for, in my judgment, 333 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:55.680 that one voice that will be the clarion voice that 334 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:59.839 everyone listens to. Those days are gone, Jesse. In this 335 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:05.079 same way that building automobiles manually by human hands are 336 00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:10.640 gone forever. Manufacturing jobs of automobiles, no matter what anybody says, 337 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.680 will never come back. Our mail is going to be 338 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:19.400 delivered by robots. Why would manufacturing a car if indeed 339 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:27.759 we have that type of mail? I get most of 340 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:31.759 my mail as most of the rest of us do, electronically. 341 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.319 So what's left force, Johnny, I mean, what's left force? 342 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.680 If everything is automated, What is that left for us 343 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:40.880 to do? What pride should I have in my work, 344 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.039 something that I built with my hands. What is left 345 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:49.200 for humanity to do? If that's the direction of humanity, But. 346 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.519 There's so much more for humanity to do. Remember that 347 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:55.799 not only is there a challenge, but Jesse, it's an opportunity. 348 00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:58.720 Remember that said in the last segment that we are 349 00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:02.720 not using the tool at our disposal. We hardly know 350 00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:06.240 that the tools are available, and so what's left is 351 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:10.359 to take the time follow King's admonition to study how 352 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:14.680 we can come together to keep ourselves informed and instructed 353 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:19.240 in solidarity with one another. There are several books now 354 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:22.400 I'm meeting one now called The Space of the World. 355 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:26.319 I would really encourage our audience to read the book 356 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.920 The Space of the World, that talks about how new 357 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:35.559 technologies is breaking us up into fragmented, balkanized groups. Well, 358 00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:39.799 we don't work together, we don't collaborate together, we don't 359 00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:41.480 see ourselves in solidarity. 360 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:42.720 Rather, we see. 361 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:49.480 Ourselves atomistically individually and all against all world rather than 362 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:54.799 an all four all world. And so we must all 363 00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:59.279 be that clarion voice and not ask ourselves where will 364 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:03.759 the next Martin Luther King Junior come from? We each 365 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.160 one of us is that person. 366 00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.000 I think that's right. I think that's right. But I 367 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:16.359 also think that there are, as you correctly acknowledge, so 368 00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:20.440 many voices, so many different modes and means of communication, 369 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:24.480 that I think the distinguishing factors going forward will be action. 370 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:30.359 Everybody's talking, Yes, everybody's talking. Barbar On Wine's doing the work. 371 00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:36.359 William Barber's doing the work. I see Reverend Sharpton out 372 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:40.720 here doing the work, I think. And I see Jamal 373 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.079 Bryant out here doing the work, right. I see Freddie 374 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:51.720 Haynes out here doing the work. I see people beyond 375 00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:56.160 the pullpit or beyond the microphone doing the work. And 376 00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:59.240 I'm reminded in this moment that the Southern Christian Leadership 377 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:04.279 Conference in Atlanta, George had a radio station right next 378 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:08.559 to it. When Doctor King exited his office, he had 379 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.119 as to a radio station and a microphone right there. 380 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.599 But given the nature of how we used to gather 381 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:19.400 around a radio or a rabbity or television set, you know, 382 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:24.000 sixty five seventy years ago, it's fundamentally different than this 383 00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:28.960 powerful little device that has more technology in it than 384 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.400 someone I heard the other day say the Space Shuttle, 385 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:38.200 that the technology has moved on in twenty years, far 386 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.359 faster than the technology that existed in the last Space 387 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:45.519 Shuttle and the last journey of the Space Shuttle correct, 388 00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.960 which is you know, quite astounding and quite amazing. Hard 389 00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.720 to imagine where it's going to be in twenty years 390 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:56.880 from now. What we do know is it is exacerbating 391 00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:02.880 the space between haves and the have nots. 392 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:06.039 Absolutely, Jesse. And you know it's the point we were 393 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:12.240 making earlier. Yes, that little phone, that little technology does 394 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:18.599 have more power than the entire space program of the 395 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:27.559 mid twentieth century, that one little phone. And so how 396 00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:31.599 do we use it effectively? That is the question. And 397 00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.720 how do we use it in anticipation of what is 398 00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:39.519 to come? Yes, we must be concerned, and everyone is 399 00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:44.000 concerned about what I will eat today, But Jesse, we 400 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:49.079 must be reminded. You know, I often use this framework 401 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:55.599