Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior
Speaker 1: Show on Thursdays and all ways world hopen Johnny Mack.
Speaker 1: Johnny Mack is one of my great contributors on the
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior Show, and I'm particularly honored of going
Speaker 1: into the new year, doctor Mack has joined us in
Speaker 1: his regularly scheduled position on the show. Doctor Mack, welcome
Speaker 1: forward to our show.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Jesse always it's a pleasure happy
Speaker 2: news for Johnny and same to you, man.
Speaker 1: And I've missed you man. I know that we've had
Speaker 1: some some unnecessary time off during the holidays to have
Speaker 1: allowed us the privilege of having a few days off
Speaker 1: and playing some of the older shows, but nothing like
Speaker 1: Live with Johnny Mack.
Speaker 2: You're kind I'm glad to be back in conversation. There's
Speaker 2: so much to talk about, Johnny.
Speaker 1: If I can kick the conversation off with just maybe
Speaker 1: two points that we're kind of going to be reflecting
Speaker 1: on back and forth over the course of the year,
Speaker 1: and that is the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of
Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence. July fourth, seventeen seventy six. July fourth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, we start the new year off and
Speaker 1: had a wonderful conversation in the last hour with Atiba
Speaker 1: with a woman in Minnesota by the United States of
Speaker 1: America getting shot in the face, exercising what there's sufficient
Speaker 1: evidence to suggest her constitutional rights to challenge law enforcement
Speaker 1: and their behavior in Minneapolis, Minnesota. And I'm thinking, and
Speaker 1: Atiba reminded us before the last break that the Viola
Speaker 1: Luitso turning point and the James Reeb turning point were
Speaker 1: significant turning points in nineteen sixty five between Selma and Montgomery.
Speaker 1: And even though blacks have been losing their lives in
Speaker 1: the South for a number of decades, maybe even a number,
Speaker 1: clearly a number of centuries, when white life dies in
Speaker 1: this struggle, it tends to be a turning point in
Speaker 1: ways that we saw with the example that I gave
Speaker 1: about Bobby Kennedy, Johnny, your thoughts on the standard and
Speaker 1: your thoughts about you know, where we are in this moment?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so where we are in this moment first, perhaps Jesse,
Speaker 2: and then my thoughts about you know, what essentially is
Speaker 2: which lives matter and how much they matter? You know,
Speaker 2: where we are in the moment Jesse, is so important
Speaker 2: for us all to understand and to understand it in
Speaker 2: a very existential way. We've talked to our many conversations
Speaker 2: on this show about being in the middle of a
Speaker 2: process that is establishing a new world order, and Jesse,
Speaker 2: we can't spend enough time on that, in my view
Speaker 2: reularly because the average listener on this program, and more broadly,
Speaker 2: the average citizen doesn't have the tools, Jesse, or if
Speaker 2: we have the tools, we know not how to use
Speaker 2: the tools to understand where we are, determine whether that
Speaker 2: is where we ought to be, and if not, where
Speaker 2: then should we go? And again, the moment that we
Speaker 2: are in is not just a moment, it's a process,
Speaker 2: and we are going through the process of establishing a
Speaker 2: new world order. Who's participating in that? My point is
Speaker 2: the average citizen should have us say in what that
Speaker 2: new world order is. But if we don't have the tools,
Speaker 2: or if we have the tools, then we don't know
Speaker 2: how to use them, how then do we participate? And
Speaker 2: why then do we allow others to determine what the
Speaker 2: trajectory of our lives should be and what the social
Speaker 2: order should be. That determines the quality of our lives.
Speaker 2: And therein Jesse lies the problem with the poor sister
Speaker 2: who lost her life so needlessly. It is in large part,
Speaker 2: I argue, because we don't know where we are, We
Speaker 2: have forgotten from where we've come, and we have no
Speaker 2: no of where we're going.
Speaker 1: Johnny, I know that we're going to be coming forward
Speaker 1: in just a moment. But in this moment, I must
Speaker 1: admit I feel some kind of way about my existence
Speaker 1: being replaced, potentially by artificial intelligence with more efficient systems.
Speaker 1: I feel some kind of way about the greedy taking
Speaker 1: oil from underneath my feet if I'm a Venezuelan, or
Speaker 1: lithium out of the congo. And yet some of the
Speaker 1: poorest people box side cobalt are in the congo without
Speaker 1: the ability to take their raw materials and turn them
Speaker 1: into cell phones, or to computers or to drones. And
Speaker 1: somehow the blessed of us get to take advantage of
Speaker 1: all of the resources of the world, and the rest
Speaker 1: of us become expendable in that process. It's not just
Speaker 1: about creating jobs. It's about for me, creating middle class jobs,
Speaker 1: jobs where people can pay a mortgage, can put their
Speaker 1: children through college, children can look forward to owning the
Speaker 1: homes of their parents, or even buying their own homes
Speaker 1: as first time home buyer buyers. We're not creating middle
Speaker 1: class jobs. In fact, we are replacing the middle class
Speaker 1: with artificial means of intelligence. We are taking natural resources
Speaker 1: from the poorest of the poor in the world. We
Speaker 1: are bullying them, we are bribing them, we are stealing them.
Speaker 1: And I'm deeply troubled by the world that we are inheriting.
Speaker 1: And it's not the world that Doctor King left us with.
Speaker 2: More.
Speaker 1: When we come forward with Johnny Mack, when we come
Speaker 1: forward on the World House on Ka Bi and Ley
Speaker 1: Talk fifteen eighty, Jesse l.
Speaker 3: The world, Johnny, the Jesse Gas Brilliants.
Speaker 1: To us, Doctor macw welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson
Speaker 1: Junior Show. Thank you, Jesse, doctor Mac. There's a sense
Speaker 1: of a sense of loneliness, a sense of alienation in
Speaker 1: this particular transformation of the way in which the world
Speaker 1: order and the economies of the world are transforming themselves.
Speaker 1: And they don't seem to be as human centered as
Speaker 1: as they should be. And maybe it was inevitable that
Speaker 1: the idea of a human centered ethos driven by a
Speaker 1: system that is a profit maximizing never ending combine. That's
Speaker 1: operating in the middle of a cornfield with no driver,
Speaker 1: but being guided by some kind of satellite for maximum profit.
Speaker 1: It's a machine that in some ways is out of control,
Speaker 1: but it makes mincemeat of people in the process. Johnny,
Speaker 1: the ninety seventh birthday of Martin Luther King Junior is
Speaker 1: upon us. How would doctor King see the world in
Speaker 1: which we presently find ourselves?
Speaker 2: So I think doctor King, well, not the exact details
Speaker 2: and probably not the same magnitude that we are realizing
Speaker 2: in terms of the quantum leaps. And I use that
Speaker 2: word intentionally. The technology has taken that he saw something
Speaker 2: like this as he stood on that mountaintop and he
Speaker 2: looked over and he saw the promised Land. I'm not
Speaker 2: so sure, however, that the promised land as we are
Speaker 2: beginning to realize it today, is that land that that
Speaker 2: King and vision. So I don't want to mislead our
Speaker 2: audience in that regard. I think King would would say,
Speaker 2: I told you so, you know, and I warn you
Speaker 2: that you should or yes that you remember Jesse King
Speaker 2: said I may not get there with you. Well, that
Speaker 2: applies not only to the promised land, of his vision,
Speaker 2: but it also applies to the land we are in now.
Speaker 2: He knew he will not get here with us.
Speaker 1: That's deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we as a people not only had in
Speaker 2: his mind to come together to realize that vision of
Speaker 2: the Promised Land. In other spaces and places he talked about,
Speaker 2: we as a people had to come together and prepare
Speaker 2: for or what would come if we had not reached
Speaker 2: yet the promised Land. And that's where we are, Jesse,
Speaker 2: to you the question you previously asked, where are we?
Speaker 2: And that's where King says, in my mind, See, I
Speaker 2: told you so. I warned you that you must mobilize
Speaker 2: and organize yourself. I warned you that you must realize
Speaker 2: that a new world order is coming, and you must
Speaker 2: prepare yourself for it. Not only for what would come
Speaker 2: as a new world order, but you must prepare yourself
Speaker 2: to be part of the process that determines what that
Speaker 2: new world order would be. And Jesse, we simply haven't
Speaker 2: done that. And that's why I'm so passionate about this.
Speaker 2: His vision, his idea of a world house that we
Speaker 2: must we must learn. He didn't say, Jesse, you and
Speaker 2: Johnny must learn, and Tom and Fred it must learn,
Speaker 2: and Barbara and Bobby must learn learn. He said, we
Speaker 2: must all come together, and I'll add the words insolidarity
Speaker 2: to determine how we're going to live in the World House.
Speaker 2: And that work we have not done, which is why
Speaker 2: we are so fragmented today as a people. And when
Speaker 2: I say as a people, I don't mean as black
Speaker 2: people necessarily and particularly solely. I mean we as global citizens,
Speaker 2: as planetizens, as people of the human race. I can
Speaker 2: go on, Jesse, but I'll stop and take a breath.
Speaker 1: Well, I go right ahead. I'm a little bit troubled
Speaker 1: because I think of one of the most successful models
Speaker 1: of a people connected to a land that has actually
Speaker 1: become a part of their identity is global Jewelry. Since
Speaker 1: the Balfour Agreement, Israel a place of refuge for Jewish people,
Speaker 1: with the narrative, of course, of the events of World
Speaker 1: War two that led to the prioritization the global community
Speaker 1: of the creation of the state, largely with the influence
Speaker 1: on the support of the United States given our hegemony
Speaker 1: at the time, and what had horrifically happened to the
Speaker 1: Jewish people the creation of Israel. But today in modern psychology,
Speaker 1: for the world, and for Jewish people alike, they have
Speaker 1: a place to go. It's part of their theology, it's
Speaker 1: part of their existential reality. It's part of the internalization
Speaker 1: of who they are. It's philosophy, it's theology, it's scholastic,
Speaker 1: it's academic. It is the core of who they are.
Speaker 1: Where are you on Israel and its existence? We still
Speaker 1: here in the United States as African Americans are a
Speaker 1: people without a land and to take that which they
Speaker 1: don't want on the surface, or the concerns for which
Speaker 1: doctor King clearly expressed, or terrestrial dwellers, people on top
Speaker 1: of the land who need the resources beneath their land
Speaker 1: in order to transform their existence from one of poverty,
Speaker 1: from one where first fresh water does not exist, from
Speaker 1: one where hospitals are not being built, and when they
Speaker 1: are being built, they're being built by philanthropists on the
Speaker 1: outside of the countries. Because the absence of doctors and
Speaker 1: sustainable development make trauma one, drama two, or trauma three
Speaker 1: level centers in many of these countries, and impossible reality. Wondering, Johnny,
Speaker 1: if this idea of the poor shall be with us always?
Speaker 1: It might have been something that was said biblically but
Speaker 1: the reality is the organized, industrialized and modernized nations of
Speaker 1: the world do have the power to eliminate poverty from
Speaker 1: the earth right now. But it's a function of human will,
Speaker 1: and I think doctor King understood that, in fact, on
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King's ninety seventh birthday. I'm going to be
Speaker 1: speaking at Reverend Will Hall's church next weekend and a
Speaker 1: weekend after next, and I'll be speaking in Walkeingan, Illinois,
Speaker 1: and I'm modeling my speech. I'm going to give away
Speaker 1: my title right now, Beyond Venezuela, modeling it after Beyond Vietnam,
Speaker 1: delivered by Martin Luther King Junior. Beyond Venezuela. Help me
Speaker 1: with that, Johnny, Beyond Venezuela Modern interpretation of a riverside.
Speaker 2: Well, uh yeah, another of those tall orders. I can't
Speaker 2: wait to hear your your speech at Jesse. Remember we
Speaker 2: talk about We've talked about understanding where we are what
Speaker 2: I like to call both in time and over time,
Speaker 2: and I think that that consideration applies here. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a certain now not yet tension that human beings
Speaker 2: are always confronted with we are Your point about you know,
Speaker 2: the existential what is happening to us right now in
Speaker 2: our lives. What is happening in Venezuela right now is important,
Speaker 2: but let's not let it overwhelm us. So it's that
Speaker 2: we don't understand what is not yet. In other words,
Speaker 2: is this move strictly about oil or is there something
Speaker 2: else going on? Is it about poverty today or is
Speaker 2: there something else going on? Again, we're talking about the
Speaker 2: now and the not yet. Jesse, I would encourage you
Speaker 2: to consider in your speech this now or not yet dilemma,
Speaker 2: and in doing so, think about that document we talked
Speaker 2: about several weeks ago, called Project twenty twenty five. If
Speaker 2: one takes the time to carefully read that document, one
Speaker 2: would not be surprised that what's happening in Venezuela is
Speaker 2: expressly written about in Project twenty twenty five. Please read
Speaker 2: the document. It expressly talks about taking over Venezuela, and
Speaker 2: not only Venezuela, but several other countries. It talks about Cuba,
Speaker 2: it talks about Nicaragua, it talks about Colombia, it talks
Speaker 2: about Magel, It talks about so many other countries, particularly
Speaker 2: in the Western Hemisphere. Now remember now I'm asking you
Speaker 2: a question about beyond Venezuela. In other words, we're not
Speaker 2: stopping we the United States or they those who are
Speaker 2: in charge of our state United States today, it does
Speaker 2: not stop at Venezuela. So you're beyond Venezuela. Is what next?
Speaker 2: Where do they go from here? Well, that's all flagged
Speaker 2: in this Project twenty twenty five document. And is this
Speaker 2: critically important to what is actually taking place in preparation
Speaker 2: for what is yet to come? I can expand on
Speaker 2: that a bit more, but again as the outtake of Breath,
Speaker 2: and perhaps you may run a weigh in on this idea.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm troubled at the not linear nature of the
Speaker 1: progress that we've made since doctor King talked about beyond Vietnam.
Speaker 1: But just how much worse it is in terms of
Speaker 1: the nation's military spending in the modern era, and how
Speaker 1: we've learned nothing that the investments in human capital have
Speaker 1: taken a hit. Twenty million peace people are are losing
Speaker 1: their their premiums are going to skyrocket this week, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't appear that Congress is going to do anything
Speaker 1: serious about them, and this very week, by the end
Speaker 1: of the week, that SNAP benefits are jeopardized. By the
Speaker 1: present congressional and presidential order under the Big so called
Speaker 1: Big Beautiful Bill and Doctor King had an emphasis and
Speaker 1: a focus on poverty and the elimination of of of
Speaker 1: hunger in not only our country but in our world.
Speaker 1: And certainly before you can ask a man or a
Speaker 1: woman to show concern for civil rights and human rights
Speaker 1: of other people, you've got to take starvation out of
Speaker 1: their stomach. I mean, a person who's starving doesn't have
Speaker 1: much time for philosophy and social adjustment or social adhesion.
Speaker 1: They have to make an adjustment that is more reflect
Speaker 1: of someone who who can organize reasonable thought, Johnny, that
Speaker 1: includes the basic necessities of life for which they can
Speaker 1: go forward so beyond Venezuela. With the population of the
Speaker 1: world growing at the rate that it's growing, really shares
Speaker 1: with me that our priorities for the natural resources, the
Speaker 1: critical minerals that we've heard about in almost every venture
Speaker 1: that the President of the United States has taken, is
Speaker 1: that he and in the final analysis, these natural resources
Speaker 1: belong to many unborn generations of people who live in
Speaker 1: these countries, and in a global economy of the future,
Speaker 1: they will have nothing to negotiate with the means by
Speaker 1: which we are extracting minerals and resources from underneath their
Speaker 1: feet are so vast and so great that the consequences
Speaker 1: I think are are just are just are just amazing.
Speaker 1: And I'm stumbling with the speech, but I'm feeling comfortable
Speaker 1: that I'm in, I'm in, I'm in the right tradition.
Speaker 2: Yes, Jesse, I think we're probably close to break. If
Speaker 2: not now, I sure hope we can pick up this
Speaker 2: point after the break, because theres much just say about
Speaker 2: what you so you know absolutely framed.
Speaker 1: Here, I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Listening to Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 1: We're in thought provoking Thursdays with Johnny Mack on the
Speaker 1: World House on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: that doctor Mack is with us in the new year.
Speaker 1: We're all so blessed to have his presence. My goodness,
Speaker 1: we're also blessed to be here ourselves more on KBLA
Speaker 1: Talk fifteen eighty. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. When we come
Speaker 1: forward more with doctor Johnny Mack, Hey, doctor Mac. Jesse
Speaker 1: Jackson Junior here, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior
Speaker 1: Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty Doctor Mack, welcome forward,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jesse.
Speaker 2: Good to be here.
Speaker 1: Hey, Johnny, let me ask you a question. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: in this moment that moral voices are being drowned out.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that they don't exist, but
Speaker 1: the overwhelming use of the bully pulpit, the overwhelming use
Speaker 1: of the microphone, is stifling our ability to heal, to
Speaker 1: hear the moral clarity or the clarion call of righteousness
Speaker 1: and justice at this hour we penetrate. How do we
Speaker 1: break through with moral clarity?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a wonderful question my view, Jesse. And this
Speaker 2: is part of what I I research and our work
Speaker 2: is about at the World House Project. In today's world,
Speaker 2: as you noted when we opened the program, today, we
Speaker 2: have a new technological framework. We have AI, we have
Speaker 2: quantum computing, blockchain technology, and so much more. And we
Speaker 2: have this phenomena called social media, something we did not
Speaker 2: have it certainly in the mid twentieth century. New technologies
Speaker 2: have put literally the entire world, literally, Jesse, the entire
Speaker 2: world in the palm of the hand of even some
Speaker 2: of the poorest people in the world. If you let
Speaker 2: that sync in we didn't have that kind of technology.
Speaker 2: Among the things that type of technology does is it
Speaker 2: diffuses not only information, but it also diffuses attention. And
Speaker 2: in the mid twentieth century, particularly during Martin Luther King
Speaker 2: Junior's time, a speech on that the Lincoln Memorial had
Speaker 2: the opportunity to be broadcasted on a very narrow set of.
Speaker 1: Channels.
Speaker 2: Today there's an infinite literally number of channels where people
Speaker 2: can get information. Remember in our last segment, we talked
Speaker 2: about King saying I warned you. I warned you that
Speaker 2: you had to study nonviolence and you had to prepare
Speaker 2: and mobilize and organize yourself because again I believe he
Speaker 2: saw that those tactics, those strategies and methodologies that were
Speaker 2: pertident and irrelevant for that time would not be sufficient.
Speaker 2: And Jesse King says almost the as exact words, that
Speaker 2: they would not be sufficient for our time. And so
Speaker 2: one of the reasons we don't hear moral voices, we
Speaker 2: haven't learned to use our platforms of technology today that
Speaker 2: we're so effectively used in his time, including the speech
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty three at the Lincoln Memorial. And so
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the challenges It is also
Speaker 2: one of the opportunities we spend more time. Now Your
Speaker 2: very radio program, in my judgment, is one of those opportunities,
Speaker 2: and so many more programs like it. We simply have
Speaker 2: to study more carefully and make opportunities available to so
Speaker 2: many more voices because we are looking for, in my judgment,
Speaker 2: that one voice that will be the clarion voice that
Speaker 2: everyone listens to. Those days are gone, Jesse. In this
Speaker 2: same way that building automobiles manually by human hands are
Speaker 2: gone forever. Manufacturing jobs of automobiles, no matter what anybody says,
Speaker 2: will never come back. Our mail is going to be
Speaker 2: delivered by robots. Why would manufacturing a car if indeed
Speaker 2: we have that type of mail? I get most of
Speaker 2: my mail as most of the rest of us do, electronically.
Speaker 1: So what's left force, Johnny, I mean, what's left force?
Speaker 1: If everything is automated, What is that left for us
Speaker 1: to do? What pride should I have in my work,
Speaker 1: something that I built with my hands. What is left
Speaker 1: for humanity to do? If that's the direction of humanity, But.
Speaker 2: There's so much more for humanity to do. Remember that
Speaker 2: not only is there a challenge, but Jesse, it's an opportunity.
Speaker 2: Remember that said in the last segment that we are
Speaker 2: not using the tool at our disposal. We hardly know
Speaker 2: that the tools are available, and so what's left is
Speaker 2: to take the time follow King's admonition to study how
Speaker 2: we can come together to keep ourselves informed and instructed
Speaker 2: in solidarity with one another. There are several books now
Speaker 2: I'm meeting one now called The Space of the World.
Speaker 2: I would really encourage our audience to read the book
Speaker 2: The Space of the World, that talks about how new
Speaker 2: technologies is breaking us up into fragmented, balkanized groups. Well,
Speaker 2: we don't work together, we don't collaborate together, we don't
Speaker 2: see ourselves in solidarity.
Speaker 1: Rather, we see.
Speaker 2: Ourselves atomistically individually and all against all world rather than
Speaker 2: an all four all world. And so we must all
Speaker 2: be that clarion voice and not ask ourselves where will
Speaker 2: the next Martin Luther King Junior come from? We each
Speaker 2: one of us is that person.
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think that's right. But I
Speaker 1: also think that there are, as you correctly acknowledge, so
Speaker 1: many voices, so many different modes and means of communication,
Speaker 1: that I think the distinguishing factors going forward will be action.
Speaker 1: Everybody's talking, Yes, everybody's talking. Barbar On Wine's doing the work.
Speaker 1: William Barber's doing the work. I see Reverend Sharpton out
Speaker 1: here doing the work, I think. And I see Jamal
Speaker 1: Bryant out here doing the work, right. I see Freddie
Speaker 1: Haynes out here doing the work. I see people beyond
Speaker 1: the pullpit or beyond the microphone doing the work. And
Speaker 1: I'm reminded in this moment that the Southern Christian Leadership
Speaker 1: Conference in Atlanta, George had a radio station right next
Speaker 1: to it. When Doctor King exited his office, he had
Speaker 1: as to a radio station and a microphone right there.
Speaker 1: But given the nature of how we used to gather
Speaker 1: around a radio or a rabbity or television set, you know,
Speaker 1: sixty five seventy years ago, it's fundamentally different than this
Speaker 1: powerful little device that has more technology in it than
Speaker 1: someone I heard the other day say the Space Shuttle,
Speaker 1: that the technology has moved on in twenty years, far
Speaker 1: faster than the technology that existed in the last Space
Speaker 1: Shuttle and the last journey of the Space Shuttle correct,
Speaker 1: which is you know, quite astounding and quite amazing. Hard
Speaker 1: to imagine where it's going to be in twenty years
Speaker 1: from now. What we do know is it is exacerbating
Speaker 1: the space between haves and the have nots.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Jesse. And you know it's the point we were
Speaker 2: making earlier. Yes, that little phone, that little technology does
Speaker 2: have more power than the entire space program of the
Speaker 2: mid twentieth century, that one little phone. And so how
Speaker 2: do we use it effectively? That is the question. And
Speaker 2: how do we use it in anticipation of what is
Speaker 2: to come? Yes, we must be concerned, and everyone is
Speaker 2: concerned about what I will eat today, But Jesse, we
Speaker 2: must be reminded. You know, I often use this framework
Speaker 2: that I hope will be helpful. A person who is
Speaker 2: hungry and has no means is worried about her next meal.
Speaker 2: The person without a job is worried about his next paycheck.
Speaker 1: And the person with a.
Speaker 2: Job is worried about his or her next vacation or retirement.
Speaker 2: And those with a little bit more means who have
Speaker 2: their retirement secure, is worried about their children's future.
Speaker 1: Johnny, let me come forward. I'm Jesse Jackson, Junior on
Speaker 1: KBLA talk fifteen eighty more with Johnny Mack. When we
Speaker 1: come forward, Jackson twenty six, we're back in the World
Speaker 1: Pass with doctor Johnny Mack, one of our most prolific contributors.
Speaker 1: Doctor Mac, welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm glad to be here, Jesse, thank you.
Speaker 1: Doctor Mac. Shared with us how we can continue to
Speaker 1: support your work.
Speaker 2: I would welcome visiting our website. It's a bit long.
Speaker 2: It's the World House Project, the World Houseproject dot org.
Speaker 2: There you'll find more about our work and how you
Speaker 2: can make a contribution to that work, how you can
Speaker 2: join our global network and contribute to our work around
Speaker 2: the globe.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Johnny, let me ask a question. I
Speaker 1: know that we have a word of hope coming from
Speaker 1: you shortly. It seems to me that all of the
Speaker 1: factors since beyond Vietnam have essentially come together for voices
Speaker 1: of moral authority to emerge. Yes, I'm for the advocation
Speaker 1: of multiple voices emerging in this context and with moral clarity.
Speaker 1: I see more people running for office than have ever
Speaker 1: run before, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are
Speaker 1: from what Reverend Sharpton calls the tradition. From the tradition,
Speaker 1: there is a tradition, doctor Mac, that you are rooted
Speaker 1: in that this movement is rooted in. That serves as
Speaker 1: the foundation for motivation. How the more young people get
Speaker 1: rooted in the tradition.
Speaker 2: Well, they get involved, as John Lewis would have encouraged them,
Speaker 2: another great champion of our movement. They get into good trouble,
Speaker 2: as John Lewis admonage them. That does require some discipline,
Speaker 2: Jesse and new technologies tend to make us lazy, sedendary,
Speaker 2: spending hours upon hours upon hours with our faces in
Speaker 2: our hands. It's not because we're looking at the lines
Speaker 2: in our hands, but the lines of text in our
Speaker 2: phones and games that we play. We knew we need
Speaker 2: a a revolution of values, as King said, a reordering
Speaker 2: of our priorities. That doesn't come easily. That's that's hard work,
Speaker 2: and we have to teach it. I I'm really please
Speaker 2: to hear Tavis talk about his class on how to
Speaker 2: hold a conversation. We've we've stopped talking to each other,
Speaker 2: How to engage in dialogue, how to listen to each
Speaker 2: other and share our feelings and our thoughts, and how
Speaker 2: to build solidarity around our human dignity and our freedom
Speaker 2: to express that dignity. We have to relearn some things
Speaker 2: that came naturally to I would argue many of us
Speaker 2: growing up during the modern civil rights movement, it was
Speaker 2: taught to us in church, taught to us and our
Speaker 2: social gatherings, it was taught to us at home. Now
Speaker 2: much of that teaching takes place through what we call
Speaker 2: social media, online, through technology, and so we've abdicated our roles,
Speaker 2: I would argue, in many cases to technology and just
Speaker 2: think about it.
Speaker 1: Jesse.
Speaker 2: Again, you started the show by talking about AI and
Speaker 2: what a by I might do two jobs and the
Speaker 2: loss of those. You know, we now have AI babysitting
Speaker 2: our children. There's something wrong there. I mean, we must
Speaker 2: question ourselves and the priorities that we've set for ourselves
Speaker 2: and think about what we owe to our children and
Speaker 2: our children's children.
Speaker 1: You know, our.
Speaker 2: Children and our children's children, Jesse. Have a right to
Speaker 2: the future. Let me let me say that again. I
Speaker 2: hope it doesn't pass.
Speaker 1: I like to like that right to the future, some
Speaker 1: some fidelity that we owe to the future generations.
Speaker 2: They listen. We talk about civil rights, we talk about
Speaker 2: human rights. I did some work with Columbia professor on
Speaker 2: this very subject of a right to the future. We
Speaker 2: owe generations to come a chance for the future, and
Speaker 2: we must work on ensuring that we give them that
Speaker 2: right preserve that right for a just and peaceful world
Speaker 2: in the future.
Speaker 1: Johnny, A word of hope.
Speaker 2: Well, the word of hope is that we still have
Speaker 2: an opportunity to work on that future, to pass on
Speaker 2: to our children and their children a hopeful, peaceful and
Speaker 2: just world. I believe that programs like your own, Jesse,
Speaker 2: in the work of the persons you mentioned before, our Arnwine,
Speaker 2: Jesse Jackson, Junior, Revenue, Sharpton, and so many others, but
Speaker 2: not only them, Jesse, each and every one of us.
Speaker 2: I believe in each and every one of us. But
Speaker 2: I also believe in the hope that we will all
Speaker 2: realize that we should focus on and we should do.
Speaker 2: Follow me carefully, if you would please. We should do
Speaker 2: the thing that must be done, that only we can do,
Speaker 2: and that won't get done unless we do it.
Speaker 1: Jesse.
Speaker 2: Yes, you may we individually and collectively, but let's think
Speaker 2: about it individually. Let's work on doing that thing that
Speaker 2: must be done that we can do and won't get
Speaker 2: done unless we do it.
Speaker 1: I I can't think of more profounder words that have
Speaker 1: been stated than what Johnny Mack has just shared with us.
Speaker 1: We hear it in different forms that we are the
Speaker 1: leaders that we are looking for. Fanny Buhamer said, we
Speaker 1: can pray until we faint, but if we don't get
Speaker 1: up and do something, it ain't just gonna drop out
Speaker 1: the sky in our lap. We got to do something. Yes.
Speaker 1: Doctor King went on to say that that faith without
Speaker 1: works is dead. But to pray without ceasingly, without engagement
Speaker 1: in humanity and the work in front of us, you're
Speaker 1: engaging in a form of superstition. And one of our
Speaker 1: great philosophers Thinkers also said that the Negro in America
Speaker 1: must give up on the silly idea of waiting for
Speaker 1: everything to happen for us from the sky, that we're
Speaker 1: going to have to engage right here on earth for
Speaker 1: the freedom that we believe we deserve and the kind
Speaker 1: of world that we think we need to build. I'm
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Johnny,
Speaker 1: thank you for being on the program today.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jesse.
Speaker 1: Look forward to our time together next week. More on
Speaker 1: KBLA talk fifteen to eighty on the Jesse Jackson Junior show,
Speaker 1: but more specifically on the KBLA station when we come
Speaker 1: forward right after the break