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Speaker 3: The college basketball stuff.
Speaker 2: I know it's March, but the NFL Draft combine concluded
Speaker 2: over the weekend and just about everybody there is continuing,
Speaker 2: you know those there, of course, you know, observing, reacting
Speaker 2: covering the combine. When it comes to quarterbacks, you know,
Speaker 2: cam Ward Shoudore Sanders, those guys they opted out of
Speaker 2: the on field workouts, and there were many other quarterbacks
Speaker 2: that did in fact decide to participate.
Speaker 3: And Tyler Shuck was as good as any of them.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: He was listed by any any write up.
Speaker 3: That listed you know, winners and losers of the of
Speaker 3: the combine.
Speaker 2: As far as quarterback, I mean, Shuck was mentioned as
Speaker 2: a guy that you know was one of the winners.
Speaker 3: I'm written here from this is from athlon.
Speaker 2: It says here that let's see with cam Ward and
Speaker 2: Sheuer Sanders opting out. The question was which of the
Speaker 2: remaining quarterback prospects would emerge with a stellar workout. Shuck
Speaker 2: checked that box from self, starting things off with an
Speaker 2: impressive forty yard dash which by the way, I had
Speaker 2: no clue of the heels on him and he by
Speaker 2: the way, he was the only quarterback that did run. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't think it makes a lot of sense to
Speaker 2: use him as far as a guy that you're really
Speaker 2: gonna do, you know, design some things for him to
Speaker 2: use his legs, But he can use his legs. I mean,
Speaker 2: if a play breaks down, he may be able to,
Speaker 2: you know, felt like at Louisville there was a it
Speaker 2: was clear on his mind, or maybe it was just
Speaker 2: something he was told by Brahm.
Speaker 3: Look, I don't care how fast you are fall down,
Speaker 3: do not run. I mean, I don't know enough about.
Speaker 2: His injury history as far as which plays or which
Speaker 2: things led to it, but he did. You know, that's
Speaker 2: one of the things that I felt completely, you know,
Speaker 2: ignorant about because it was right around when the season started.
Speaker 2: When I went back and looked at Chuck. It was
Speaker 2: after something Jeff said at It might have been like
Speaker 2: the mediaa pressor where he mentioned that they're not going
Speaker 2: to use him as far as his legs the way
Speaker 2: that he was used at Oregon and at Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking he's talking about the occasional you know,
Speaker 2: the occasional run.
Speaker 3: No, he was.
Speaker 2: He was a dude. He was used as a dual
Speaker 2: threat guy really for both schools. And that's probably because
Speaker 2: one he's big and now we know he's really fast.
Speaker 2: But I mean he's got a good enough arm to
Speaker 2: where you know that that's what's.
Speaker 3: Gonna get him in the NFL.
Speaker 2: But with that said, he did show some speed and really,
Speaker 2: you know, had him you know, phenomenal day.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be twenty five years old when he's a rookie,
Speaker 2: which is a little bit a little bit odd, but really,
Speaker 2: I mean, there's not a huge difference in being like
Speaker 2: twenty five and twenty two, right, And I know injury
Speaker 2: history is never a good thing and it's probably gonna
Speaker 2: work against.
Speaker 3: His draft stock. But he's got the size.
Speaker 2: You want in the NFL. It sounds like his arm talent.
Speaker 2: I mean, we saw that up close this year and
Speaker 2: it wasn't as if anybody was doubting it.
Speaker 3: But I think as you.
Speaker 2: Get closer to the draft and you've got guys who,
Speaker 2: of course, you know, cover the NFL Draft, cover the NFL,
Speaker 2: that are watching the film and that are watching him
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl, watching him at you know, at
Speaker 2: the combine like he like where he was last week,
Speaker 2: and they're realizing this guy can make a lot of
Speaker 2: NFL throws. He's got an arm that you know, could
Speaker 2: could get him to be a starting quarterback in the NFL,
Speaker 2: you know, in the right situation.
Speaker 3: So we'll see. I mean, it sounds like day two
Speaker 3: could be the.
Speaker 2: Range for for Shuck, which if that's the If that's
Speaker 2: the case, I mean day two, I mean they only
Speaker 2: do one round in the NFL Draft on that Thursday, now, right,
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, it's one round and then Day
Speaker 2: two is second and third round and then fourth fifth, sixth,
Speaker 2: and seventh round is Day three unless they've changed it.
Speaker 2: So I mean, if he's I mean, the fact that
Speaker 2: Schuck could be a second or third round quarterback, I.
Speaker 3: Mean that's I mean, it's really not that surprising.
Speaker 2: It's just that wasn't really you know, I think we
Speaker 2: knew the guy was good, and we thought he had
Speaker 2: a chance to play in the NFL. But this year,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think overall, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: this is not a great crop of quarterbacks when it
Speaker 2: comes to this year's NFL draft.
Speaker 3: I mean that's a factor here. And again I think.
Speaker 2: Chuck's got a lot of lot of talent, clearly, but
Speaker 2: I guess that would make a little more sense as
Speaker 2: to why he would be a maybe a Day two guy.
Speaker 2: Because if you think you can get some value in
Speaker 2: the second, third round, maybe even fourth round, I suppose,
Speaker 2: and you like a quarterback, I mean, and obviously, if
Speaker 2: you're a player, you want to get taken as early
Speaker 2: as possible. You want to be the guy that a
Speaker 2: franchise is investing into where they say, look we're gonna
Speaker 2: get we think you are the future. If you're a
Speaker 2: first round quarterback, you are believed at that time to
Speaker 2: be the future of that franchise. Nobody knows if it's
Speaker 2: going to work out, even the team that drafts you,
Speaker 2: but like, that's why they're picking you, because they believe
Speaker 2: in you.
Speaker 3: That's that's why they.
Speaker 2: Make that kind of an investment, right, So you know,
Speaker 2: with that, if it's a team that gets him in
Speaker 2: the second or third round, maybe fourth, and it's a
Speaker 2: good team, that could be a situation to where, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe he gets to play because the starter gets hurt
Speaker 2: and then maybe he you know, takes the job, or
Speaker 2: maybe he does enough as a backup to where somebody
Speaker 2: wants to trade for him. So you know, well we'll
Speaker 2: see how how you know. I would imagine there'll be
Speaker 2: more to take from Shuck when he does private workouts
Speaker 2: and has meetings and all that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 2: I feel like there was a lot of hype starting
Speaker 2: to really build quickly for him once we started getting
Speaker 2: closer to the draft, and then sure enough the combine
Speaker 2: took place. And I feel like now that the combine
Speaker 2: has concluded, he didn't mean he more than lived up
Speaker 2: to what people were saying. It sounds like he even
Speaker 2: put himself in an even better situation as far as
Speaker 2: where he is when it comes to you know, other quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: I mean, like cam Ward Shadoor Sanders, those are guys
Speaker 2: that are probably gonna be I mean, those guys are
Speaker 2: gonna be taken first round, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: But you know, you got other guys like Brady Cook, Jackson,
Speaker 2: Dart Quinn, or's Kyle McCord.
Speaker 3: I mean, those are guys.
Speaker 2: That, like it sounds like shuck at least, you know,
Speaker 2: it all depends on I guess what NFL team really values.
Speaker 2: And there's also it's also worth saying you really never
Speaker 2: know what to believe when it comes to NFL. You know,
Speaker 2: NFL draft rumors and whatnot. But I have a hard
Speaker 2: time seeing there not be four quarterbacks taken in the
Speaker 2: first four rounds roughly. And I feel like he's got
Speaker 2: a chance to be in that in that really, you know,
Speaker 2: he's not gonna be one or two. We know that
Speaker 2: probably won't be three, but maybe after that. So and
Speaker 2: it's not just shuck. I mean, I think every Louisville
Speaker 2: player that was there did nothing but potentially help themselves.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody when it comes to the Louisville.
Speaker 3: Guys Gelatti, Brooks, Riley.
Speaker 2: I don't think those guys did anything to hurt their
Speaker 2: draft stock with their their you know how they showed
Speaker 2: out at the combine, all right. So we did talk
Speaker 2: a lot, as you could expect about Louisville and Kentucky
Speaker 2: this past Over the weekend, Louisville gets a big win
Speaker 2: against Pittsburgh. Really, I mean, they won by eleven, and
Speaker 2: they now have jumped into the top fifteen and both
Speaker 2: the AP pole and the Coach's poll. And Chucky Hipburn
Speaker 2: making six consecutive threes in the first half like that,
Speaker 2: to me is obviously the thing that stands out from
Speaker 2: that game more than anything else else, because that's not
Speaker 2: something you ever see. I mean, Chucki's not even the
Speaker 2: best shooter on his team, and yet he put together
Speaker 2: just something, you know, in a brief amount of time
Speaker 2: that you rarely ever see. And I think it also
Speaker 2: kind of played tricks on me mentally, just because I
Speaker 2: felt like, if you see somebody do that, you should
Speaker 2: be expecting them to be, you know, running away with
Speaker 2: the game. When somebody scores eighteen consecutive seemingly with no
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll have to pull up the stat broadcast
Speaker 2: breakdown as far as the plays, but like the amount
Speaker 2: of time he hit six threes in seemed to be
Speaker 2: rather quick.
Speaker 3: So Pitt challenging, you know, Pitt challenged him.
Speaker 2: They were fighting, and you know, I've always said that
Speaker 2: Pitton has good players, and I think that showed on Saturday.
Speaker 2: And as much as I think this team has has
Speaker 2: really I mean, Pat Kelsey talked after the game about
Speaker 2: how he told the He told the players in the
Speaker 2: locker room, you know, look at the crowd out there,
Speaker 2: and you guys deserve this. He also made and I
Speaker 2: didn't I didn't hear it, but I did see the quote.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure who it was that shared it. Let
Speaker 2: me see if I can pull it up here, because
Speaker 2: I do think it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This was on his postgame radio show, Pat Kelsey when
Speaker 2: talking about Chucky Hepburn, he said, quote, he's a great player.
Speaker 2: I think one thing that's really important and I don't
Speaker 2: know or and I don't even have to say this
Speaker 2: to our fan base in our city, they already know.
Speaker 2: I hope this core group is celebrated and remembered. And
Speaker 2: I think these guys will be celebrated and I think
Speaker 2: these guys will be remembered forever. I mean obviously as
Speaker 2: far as celebrated. A lot of that's going to depend
Speaker 2: on sort of what happens in the postseason.
Speaker 3: But I think even.
Speaker 2: If there is somewhat of like a letdown and you
Speaker 2: somehow don't get out of like the first round of
Speaker 2: the tournament, that would be disappointing, no doubt, But I
Speaker 2: don't I can't see a scenario where that result would
Speaker 2: make me not love this team just because I mean,
Speaker 2: talk about being ahead of schedule.
Speaker 3: It's been you know, it's been phenomenal.
Speaker 2: So and by the way, real quick, I didn't mention
Speaker 2: in the first hour, and I should have pat yourself
Speaker 2: on the back if you're somebody that attended the game,
Speaker 2: because those who you know were aware. I mean, I
Speaker 2: didn't see any sign of somebody not doing their job.
Speaker 2: As far as the stripeout, it was beautiful looking all
Speaker 2: the pictures I saw, I mean, it couldn't have been better.
Speaker 2: And there were eighteen thousand plus there. I think that's
Speaker 2: you know, that's a great turnout comparatively speaking. And I
Speaker 2: feel like if Louisville's able to sustain the success, right
Speaker 2: like if Pat Kelsey continues to put a really.
Speaker 3: Fun and exciting team on the floor, then then I
Speaker 3: think you get back to it. I talked about this
Speaker 3: last week.
Speaker 2: I think when it comes to attendance at the YOUM
Speaker 2: Center moving forward, when you play the nobody teams in
Speaker 2: November and December, I just think it's gonna be tough
Speaker 2: to expect there to be eighteen thousand plus there. I
Speaker 2: just don't think that's realistic. That's nobody's fault. That's just society.
Speaker 3: People don't like.
Speaker 2: People don't look across the country, like when Kentucky plays
Speaker 2: those games, those are lightly attended compared to what they
Speaker 2: typically get for, you know, big games.
Speaker 3: That's just part of it.
Speaker 2: I think when you play a big game against a
Speaker 2: really really good team where like, you know, hey, these
Speaker 2: two teams are playing and the winner is going to
Speaker 2: be in the driver's seat to win the ACC regular season.
Speaker 2: Let's say in a couple of years that's Duke. In
Speaker 2: that scenario, I think you're looking at a sellout. But
Speaker 2: I think other good team. You know, if the ACC
Speaker 2: gets back to you know, being a good team again,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, being a good league again, and you've got
Speaker 2: at least one opportunity every two weeks to get a
Speaker 2: really good win on your home floor, where you've got
Speaker 2: a chance to beat a ranked team and improve your resume,
Speaker 2: and it really feels as if there's something on the line.
Speaker 2: I think if things stay the way they are right now,
Speaker 2: meaning where Pat Kelsey keeps the momentum going, then I
Speaker 2: think you're looking at like eighteen thousand is the average attendance,
Speaker 2: which you know that's not a sellout, but like, I
Speaker 2: just think that's I think that's doable, it's realistic, and
Speaker 2: it would be a good sign. I just I think
Speaker 2: the days of Louisville basketball having twenty one plus every night, regardless.
Speaker 3: Of who they're playing, I don't care how good they are.
Speaker 3: I just don't think that's realistic. I just don't.
Speaker 2: But anyways, props to the fans who did a phenomenal
Speaker 2: job of executing and wearing the right color dependent upon
Speaker 2: what section they were sitting in. But anyways, what I
Speaker 2: was getting to before, I wanted to make sure I
Speaker 2: applauded the fans for doing their part.
Speaker 3: I wanted to do that before I forgot.
Speaker 2: But this team, in the last four games, they've to
Speaker 2: me they've just looked not quite as sharp. It's not
Speaker 2: like they're they're falling apart. It's not like they're they're
Speaker 2: adding like new weaknesses that we didn't know they had.
Speaker 3: It's just they look a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think fatigue has carried over and it's led to
Speaker 2: them at times giving up an offensive rebound. It's led
Speaker 2: to them at times not being where they need to
Speaker 2: be defensively having a hand down, letting somebody get an
Speaker 2: uncontested three off, not not playing help defense, not communicating
Speaker 2: quite as well. And I'm listing all these things as
Speaker 2: if it's a complete mess, and that's not at all
Speaker 2: what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: That's not what I'm intending to do.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you're seeing those things here and there
Speaker 2: more so than you did previously. And I just again,
Speaker 2: I'm going to assume that it's more so due to
Speaker 2: fatigue than anything else. When Louisville really got rolling in January,
Speaker 2: and they were not just winning against you know, for
Speaker 2: what it's worth, the teams at the time that we
Speaker 2: thought were good in the ACC they were blowing them out,
Speaker 2: some of them, and they were winning by double digits
Speaker 2: against others when they didn't have a good night at
Speaker 2: the free throw line, where they didn't have a great
Speaker 2: night from three point range, and they were still able
Speaker 2: to win. And I think it's because they were just
Speaker 2: so polished defensively. Their attention to detail was so spot on.
Speaker 2: They were getting every loose ball, they were giving up
Speaker 2: nothing on the offensive glass. Like when they were doing that,
Speaker 2: like it was, it was, I mean, it almost didn't
Speaker 2: seem real. And I remember thinking to myself, like I
Speaker 2: thought they wouldn't win many games at all if they
Speaker 2: weren't shooting good at the line. They weren't gonna win
Speaker 2: many games at all if they weren't getting at least
Speaker 2: twelve three pointers, but they were still winning. So like
Speaker 2: to see Chucky hit six straight threes and the games
Speaker 2: still be close, it just kind of reminded me that, like, maybe,
Speaker 2: you know, again, Pitt deserves cre just because again they
Speaker 2: got players too that are going to compete.
Speaker 3: And I think you saw that on Saturday.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't believe that Pitt's a team that
Speaker 2: is going to miss the tournament this year because the
Speaker 2: talent wasn't there.
Speaker 3: Now, speaking of.
Speaker 2: Pitt, I do want to give Jeff Cable a little
Speaker 2: bit of credit for not sugarcoating things. He was asked,
Speaker 2: I think after the game Saturday about the ACC and again,
Speaker 2: don't think he could have handled it better. The question was,
Speaker 2: in fact, I'm sorry, this was today on the ACC
Speaker 2: ACC Coaches tele conference, I believe, or maybe he had
Speaker 2: a press conference. I'm not sure, but George Milakowski, who
Speaker 2: covers Pittsburgh basketball.
Speaker 3: For Theportalreport dot.
Speaker 2: Com, he asked Jeff Cable on the narrative that the
Speaker 2: ACC is having a down year. Again, stupid question as
Speaker 2: far as how it's framed, it's not a narrative, it's
Speaker 2: the truth like that. I don't know why it irritates
Speaker 2: me so much, but there's a reason I kept bringing
Speaker 2: it up when I was in Charlotte for the ACC
Speaker 2: basketball Media Day event. They act as if they're not down.
Speaker 2: They act as if like the league is not a
Speaker 2: joke compared to what it used to be. They act
Speaker 2: like the committee is against them. No, the league is
Speaker 2: is bad now. It's bad when you compare it to
Speaker 2: what it used to be. Technically, it's you know, roughly
Speaker 2: about the same as the Big East is right now.
Speaker 2: But again, the ACC should always be a good basketball league,
Speaker 2: not the best league. Maybe every year sometimes it will be,
Speaker 2: but like it shouldn't be in the position that it's
Speaker 2: in now. But when Cable was asked, this is what
Speaker 2: he had to say, Well, it is that's the reality.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to give you coach speak.
Speaker 2: It is down and he's right, and that doesn't you know,
Speaker 2: that doesn't make it better as far as like that's
Speaker 2: not a fix for it. But it's also just, you know,
Speaker 2: like the Quicker, people acknowledge that, like the Quicker, these
Speaker 2: schools realize they've got a bad coach and they need
Speaker 2: to move on. That's the first step in actually, you know,
Speaker 2: getting better. But earlier today or earlier this morning, Jeff Goodman,
Speaker 2: college basketball insider for the Field of sixty eight. He
Speaker 2: he put out there that his sources tell him that
Speaker 2: Mike Young at Virginia Tech, Earl Grant at Boston College,
Speaker 2: you were Davids in North Carolina, a Red Autry at Syracuse,
Speaker 2: Steve Forbes.
Speaker 3: At wake for is all going to be back next year.
Speaker 2: And I mean, to me, all situations here are different,
Speaker 2: Like with Boston College, like who are they going to
Speaker 2: go get? I mean, I could tell you who they
Speaker 2: could hire that would probably do just as good as
Speaker 2: Earl Grant, and maybe there's a chance that like he
Speaker 2: breaks through and has success there.
Speaker 3: But like, why would you get Red Autry? What has
Speaker 3: Red Auchery.
Speaker 2: Shown Syracuse that would make them think that he's going
Speaker 2: to be a coach that can get Syracuse to no
Speaker 2: longer be a humong his joke. I know, two years
Speaker 2: isn't a lot of time, but Syracuse, I mean just
Speaker 2: to give just just use let's just use them as
Speaker 2: an example, like Syracuse should always be good, right, They're
Speaker 2: a little tricky because kind of like Duke and even
Speaker 2: like Indiana to an extent, like when they were ever
Speaker 2: really good, it was just one guy. I mean, heck
Speaker 2: with Syracuse, like I don't even remember their program before beahem,
Speaker 2: like it was just behim. But Red Autry, he's currently
Speaker 2: twelve and seventeen six and twelve in a bad acc in.
Speaker 3: His second year.
Speaker 2: In his first year, I didn't realize that Syracuse won
Speaker 2: twenty games last year. I did not realize that. And
Speaker 2: is this Yeah, so this is his second year and
Speaker 2: they're just as talented this year, if not more talented,
Speaker 2: and they're terrible, Like I guess when you have twenty
Speaker 2: wins in your first year. Being this bad in your
Speaker 2: second year with a good recruiting class coming in is
Speaker 2: not going to result in you getting fired.
Speaker 3: But the recruiting class.
Speaker 2: Can no longer be used as this saving grace to
Speaker 2: like help your situation, because that just doesn't matter like
Speaker 2: it used to, right Like, I don't think there's any
Speaker 2: scenario where a coach out there who's been really bad,
Speaker 2: like with a freshman class coming in, like everybody's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be like, Okay, it's all right.
Speaker 2: The reinforcements are coming in all freshmen, Like the reinforcements
Speaker 2: are going to be portal guys, And I feel like
Speaker 2: you never really know what you can and can't do,
Speaker 2: and the portal clearly money matters, But I mean, if
Speaker 2: you have no momentum, like if you're coming off of
Speaker 2: I don't know, Pat Kelsey a little bit different, but
Speaker 2: he was a new hire, right Like if Pat Kelcey like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't even want to do this because I've had
Speaker 2: a nearly blocked out thinking about it. But like, let's
Speaker 2: just say Kenny Payne was the coach here and he
Speaker 2: had all the money, you think he'd be able to
Speaker 2: recruit the guys that came here this year, like no,
Speaker 2: like they wouldn't, like I don't think people would believing
Speaker 2: that he was going to be the guy that could
Speaker 2: get things turned around. So I mean, freshmen can help
Speaker 2: and who knows, like maybe they stick around and they
Speaker 2: help you, like you can still get value and adding
Speaker 2: good freshmen is something you still want to do. But
Speaker 2: that can't be the like, hey, we're going to keep
Speaker 2: this guy because of that, because that's a sell of like,
Speaker 2: all right, give me more time because when my freshman
Speaker 2: man when they when they become sophomores in it's go time, Well,
Speaker 2: like why would It's like we should always be more
Speaker 2: patient and everything in life, right, patience is something we
Speaker 2: probably could all use a little bit more of. But
Speaker 2: you don't have to be patient anymore in college basketball
Speaker 2: because you can flip your roster at any moment. Every
Speaker 2: year you can get a new team, and who knows
Speaker 2: if you're going to get a good team or a
Speaker 2: bad team or whatever. But the days of like give
Speaker 2: a coach four years, I just think anybody who decides
Speaker 2: to do that, anybody who decides to give.
Speaker 3: A coach four years after two years of it.
Speaker 2: Being clear that they're not very good. And it's not
Speaker 2: because of any other reason. It's just like Red Autry
Speaker 2: should be better. His team has good players. He should
Speaker 2: not be terrible, but they are. That mean he's the
Speaker 2: worst coach ever. Like maybe Syracuse, after four years he'll
Speaker 2: end up being in a good position and they'll say
Speaker 2: that it paid off, it worked out, and they were
Speaker 2: patient and this guy really got it rolling. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's possible, but I think there's a much better situation than.
Speaker 3: In year four.
Speaker 2: If he gets it, he probably won't probably get his
Speaker 2: third and that'll be it. Like what are you waiting on?
Speaker 3: Like it's just telling your fans that you're content and
Speaker 3: you're not. You're not. You have no.
Speaker 2: Urgency to get better and maybe look deep down, they
Speaker 2: just believe.
Speaker 3: In this guy. But like, I think you've seen enough
Speaker 3: to know that.
Speaker 2: Like even if he does, Like if you're Syracuse, let's
Speaker 2: say next year and this is the this is the word.
Speaker 2: This was the worry about Kenny Payne. Like let's say Kenny,
Speaker 2: instead of winning four, he won ten and instead of
Speaker 2: winning eight, he won thirteen. He'd probably still be our
Speaker 2: coach here, right, nightmare to think about, but he probably
Speaker 2: would would that mean that he's anywhere close to being
Speaker 2: good enough to be the coach at a place like Louisville.
Speaker 3: No, Like you're Syracuse.
Speaker 2: If this guy who's now twelve and seventeen likely gonna finish,
Speaker 2: No Joe, he'll finish twelve and nineteen this year if
Speaker 2: he goes, you know, sick. Let's say he wins sixteen
Speaker 2: next year. Are you gonna be like dunking on your fans?
Speaker 2: See I told you so, because they'll say, yeah, but
Speaker 2: he still.
Speaker 3: Stinks we're Syracuse. We should be better. Same like Mike Young.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a bad coach, but I also
Speaker 2: don't think he's the guy that's gonna be able to
Speaker 2: really thrive in this new world, especially at a place
Speaker 2: like Virginia Tech that doesn't have great resources.
Speaker 3: I mean, Hubert Davis.
Speaker 2: I know why they're keeping him, and I think he's
Speaker 2: done enough to show that like he should get at
Speaker 2: least one more year. Same thing with Steve Borbs, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, although this year it's just malpracticed
Speaker 2: with how they're losing game like they would have made
Speaker 2: it if they didn't slip up and lose to bad
Speaker 2: teams and Another issue that he has is that whoever
Speaker 2: did his schedule didn't do him any favors. It was
Speaker 2: probably him, to be honest with you, all right, let's
Speaker 2: do it quick break, We'll come back. Keep this thing
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Speaker 3: Day, so I mentioned Earli.
Speaker 2: I think with Kentucky losing to Auburn, you know, you
Speaker 2: never want to get blown out at home. And Kentucky's
Speaker 2: a programmed that, although it doesn't work out this way
Speaker 2: really for anybody. I mean, they have a belief in
Speaker 2: themselves understandably so that even if you are playing a
Speaker 2: great team, you shouldn't get blown out. But again it happens.
Speaker 2: But Oliburn I think is the best team in the country.
Speaker 2: And I think Duke. Part of me is worried to
Speaker 2: put Duke up there just because they have not necessarily
Speaker 2: been challenged quite as quite as much as other teams
Speaker 2: because of how down the ACC is. But watching Duke play,
Speaker 2: I mean I have a hard time saying they're not
Speaker 2: one of the best teams in the country as well.
Speaker 2: And for what it's where Duke did play that random
Speaker 2: non conference game last weekend against Illinois where they could
Speaker 2: have won by I mean they won one hundred and
Speaker 2: ten to sixty seven. And that Illinois team that's not
Speaker 2: some slouch, that's a top twenty team in the net.
Speaker 2: And and the kin Palm, who you know, just beat
Speaker 2: Michigan by twenty and an Auburn and Arbor, So you know,
Speaker 2: I think Duke Auburn those are the two best and
Speaker 2: really have to that, man, I mean, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: who I would say. I mean, Florida and Tennessee Houston,
Speaker 2: like those are the teams that in Bama. But I
Speaker 2: don't know, like there's a part of me that doesn't
Speaker 2: want to put those four teams in the same tier
Speaker 2: with Duke in Auburn. And then after that, you've got
Speaker 2: teams like Texas Tech, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa State, Missouri,
Speaker 2: Saint John's. I mean, I'm just I'm I'm mentioning teams
Speaker 2: that are believed to be in good spots with it
Speaker 2: when it comes to top three, top four seeds, that
Speaker 2: have also kind of proven that they can go out
Speaker 2: and beat anybody, maybe not just in their own conference.
Speaker 2: I mean, i'd say Kentucky's in that spot, but I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't think i'm a hater here. If
Speaker 2: I'm now looking at Kentucky as a team that clearly
Speaker 2: is good, and who knows, maybe they make a deep run.
Speaker 2: But I don't, you know, I don't know if I
Speaker 2: would if I would put them in even that second tier,
Speaker 2: which againtes the likes of Houston, Florida, Tennessee, Alabama. Now again,
Speaker 2: they did beat Tennessee twice and they did beat Florida once,
Speaker 2: So maybe I'm wrong, But I think you've got two
Speaker 2: really good teams four to five that are that are
Speaker 2: behind them kind of in their own tier. And then
Speaker 2: I think there's a big pool of teams that I
Speaker 2: believe on any given night, like if they play well,
Speaker 2: maybe they maybe they make a deep run. When you're
Speaker 2: looking at teams all the way in like the thirties,
Speaker 2: like for example, like Ole Miss twenty and nine, just
Speaker 2: outside the top twenty five. I mean, I think Chris
Speaker 2: Beard's shown that this is a team he has that
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want. I wouldn't be eager to go play them.
Speaker 2: I mean Michigan Dusty May again. They got beat by
Speaker 2: twenty at home yesterday to Illinois, but they're twenty two
Speaker 2: and seven.
Speaker 3: I mean, they'd be a tough out for anybody.
Speaker 2: They've got some really really good talent on that team.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Danny Wolf's been one of the
Speaker 2: best transfers, one of the best players in the country.
Speaker 2: So I think we could get a really, really really
Speaker 2: good ZAA. This is a year where I'm sure there
Speaker 2: will be at least one or two. But if the
Speaker 2: teams that right now I'm looking at and like the
Speaker 2: net and the kN Palm, like the top thirty five, ish,
Speaker 2: I feel like if those are the teams that are
Speaker 2: you know, if the Sweet sixteen and really the round
Speaker 2: of thirty two is a mixture of most of these teams, yeah,
Speaker 2: you won't have the Cinderella story as far as a
Speaker 2: team that you've never heard of, No Sister Jeans, nothing
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: But I think we could get.
Speaker 2: Some really really good games, which is what I prefer
Speaker 2: over the Cinderella if I'm being honest with you.
Speaker 3: But again, I'm just gonna mention it once more.
Speaker 2: I know I talked about it last week and I
Speaker 2: don't want to beat a.
Speaker 3: Dead horse here.
Speaker 2: But all these teams i'm talking about that you know,
Speaker 2: I think are good despite not going to be getting
Speaker 2: a four or five seed, Teams like Louisville. Honestly, I
Speaker 2: mean Louisville could, I guess technically get a five depending
Speaker 2: upon what happens. But whoever you play, I think even
Speaker 2: the round of sixty four, I believe that whoever it is,
Speaker 2: there's a good chance they're going to be substantially better
Speaker 2: than nearly every team you've played since January first.
Speaker 3: There's nothing you can do about.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you won't beat whoever's in front of
Speaker 2: you in the round of sixty two, or the round
Speaker 2: of the round of sixty four or the round of
Speaker 2: thirty two. It's just something that has really stood out
Speaker 2: to me when I look at bracketology and see these matchups.
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't mean I'm scared, didn't mean I
Speaker 2: think Louisville can't win. But it's just an unusual thing
Speaker 2: to be a Louisville fan in a year where your
Speaker 2: team is safely in the tournament, you've got twenty plus wins,
Speaker 2: you're not sweating it out about selection Sunday, but you
Speaker 2: also have to know that when you get there, it
Speaker 2: is going to be a step up.
Speaker 3: Again, doesn't mean you're not ready for that step.
Speaker 2: It's just it's not something I can remember happening before,
Speaker 2: like maybe in Conference USA back in that time during
Speaker 2: Denny's time here. But I mean even then, there weren't
Speaker 2: really that many teams that Denny had in Conference Ussay
Speaker 2: at least, you know, I'm talking about my when I watched.
Speaker 2: I know he did have some really good teams in
Speaker 2: the metro in the early days of Conference she had, say,
Speaker 2: but for me, you know, like mid nineties on, I
Speaker 2: don't remember many teams that had the kind of record
Speaker 2: that Louisville has this year. I know that ninety seventeen
Speaker 2: was really good, made the Elite eight, lost to lost
Speaker 2: to Carolina with Anton Jamison and Vince Carter. Still sad
Speaker 2: about that. I wish to wan Whe's ankle would have
Speaker 2: been okay, but you know, it's life. How many years
Speaker 2: have gone by since then, roughly thirty, I'm.
Speaker 3: Still sad about it. March March is.
Speaker 2: She's tricky because she gives you great moments that you
Speaker 2: just you know, she's a tricky gal. Yep, she can
Speaker 2: give you some great moments that you know is just
Speaker 2: like you're on top of the world. And then she
Speaker 2: can also leave you with some pain that you just
Speaker 2: can't you can't ever escape. I'm sure I'll be in
Speaker 2: my deathbed thinking about all the great times I had
Speaker 2: and that might hit me. But man, life wasn't great
Speaker 2: when Dwan Week couldn't play because his ankle was hurt
Speaker 2: and we lost to North Carolina best Denny Crumb team.
Speaker 2: I watch to play because you know, I wasn't alive
Speaker 2: when Dinny had it rolling in the eighties. So anyways,
Speaker 2: we'll move on. I don't why I got sidetracked there.
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Speaker 2: So one team that I don't think is in like
Speaker 2: that top tier as far as you know, a team
Speaker 2: that we got to worry about winning the national championship,
Speaker 2: but Kansas. I mean, we talked about Kansas getting blown
Speaker 2: out in a couple of road games when they played
Speaker 2: Utah and BYU. The BYU game was one where it
Speaker 2: was a level of a blowout that you really never
Speaker 2: see for Kansas, certainly under Bill self. Well, then they
Speaker 2: lost at home to Texas Tech who, by the way,
Speaker 2: is a good team, and now they're sitting here with
Speaker 2: still a good resume, still safely in the tournament. When
Speaker 2: I say good resume, I don't mean it's not a
Speaker 2: good resume for their standard, and they're certainly not going
Speaker 2: to get a great seed. But this Kansas team, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm just looking here in the in the knpalm. I mean,
Speaker 2: Kansas right now is still a top two twenty one team.
Speaker 2: They're at twenty one with a nineteen and ten, and
Speaker 2: their net ranking is let's see, even higher, they're at
Speaker 2: number twenty. They still have let's see, they've got five
Speaker 2: quad one wins. So really, more than anything, Kansas is
Speaker 2: just down for who they are. There's still a team
Speaker 2: that is in a better spot than most Kansas. I
Speaker 2: mean they got spoiled. Bill self dominated the Big twelve
Speaker 2: at an insane level.
Speaker 3: And the Big twelve is a good league by the way.
Speaker 2: However, I don't know, maybe they weren't as good as
Speaker 2: we thought, because to me, the Big twelves the league
Speaker 2: that in recent years we've talked about how loaded it
Speaker 2: is and it hasn't really played out on the tournament.
Speaker 2: And then Houston, who, by the way a really good team. Well,
Speaker 2: coach Kelvin Sampson probably the best coach in the sport
Speaker 2: that really people don't talk about a whole lot, but
Speaker 2: him coming in to the Big Twelve in his first
Speaker 2: two years, in winning the regular season with room to
Speaker 2: take a couple of losses and still win the league.
Speaker 2: That's like one of the more impressive things you'll see
Speaker 2: in college basketball in recent years. But again, it just
Speaker 2: like to me, they just I don't know what it
Speaker 2: is about Houston. Maybe because they were gone so long
Speaker 2: they were irrelevant. I mean, they were certainly rolling back
Speaker 2: in the five Slama Jama days obviously with a chem
Speaker 2: and Clyde and whatnot. But they've been so good and
Speaker 2: they've made final fours under Sampson, and yet it just
Speaker 2: it seems like they still are like, yeah, who cares,
Speaker 2: but they're good. But anyways, Kansas not only having a
Speaker 2: down year for their standard, Like there's some weird stuff
Speaker 2: going on, like why Bill self felt the need to
Speaker 2: address the conversation he had with like, I feel like
Speaker 2: there's been some some pr backfiring going on here because
Speaker 2: whenever they were struggling, I believe on his end because
Speaker 2: when he was asked at a press conference about talking
Speaker 2: to Oklahoma State because for those who are no, he
Speaker 2: was at Oklahoma State prior to taking the job at Illinois,
Speaker 2: and then of course he left Illinois to go coach Kansas.
Speaker 3: He's been there ever since.
Speaker 2: But I think it was a strategic move on his
Speaker 2: end to have somebody ask him about that, because he
Speaker 2: talked to Oklahoma State during their opening this past offseason.
Speaker 2: But he danced around it like, yes, but it was
Speaker 2: more so to give them some guidance on who to hire,
Speaker 2: and they hired Steve Lutz and they hired the right guy.
Speaker 2: But he wanted it out there that he talked to them,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, because I think he wanted Kansas fans
Speaker 2: to realize, even though we've had a little bit of
Speaker 2: a setback here, you should still appreciate having me. And
Speaker 2: I don't think it played out the way. I think
Speaker 2: it looked like what are you doing here? So then
Speaker 2: he had to like he went on fill to sixty eight.
Speaker 3: Again. I believe this is all strategic.
Speaker 2: I think the whole thing backfired with Oklahoma State thing
Speaker 2: to where then he wanted to like make it make
Speaker 2: a statement when people weren't really asking that I knew of,
Speaker 2: like is he going to retire? He went on with
Speaker 2: Jeff Goodman to say, there's no truth to any rumors
Speaker 2: of me retiring. I didn't hear anybody starting those rumors,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. But Bill's self, I think
Speaker 2: because things started going poorly, he wanted to do some
Speaker 2: things on his end to make Kansas fans appreciate him,
Speaker 2: and it just really hasn't gone well. And then on
Speaker 2: Saturday after their loss to Texas Tech, and I guess
Speaker 2: this was actually Sunday, Like, how often do you see
Speaker 2: a coach after a game do a press conference just
Speaker 2: talk about the loss?
Speaker 3: Right? Nothing?
Speaker 2: You know, it's not a good thing. They lost, but
Speaker 2: like nothing crazy happened. There wasn't like any controversy, he
Speaker 2: didn't get ejected.
Speaker 3: It was just a loss.
Speaker 2: And yet Kansas and Bill self released a statement. It
Speaker 2: just seems like a lot of work for reasons I
Speaker 2: don't know. Quote this is the statement that Bill self
Speaker 2: and Kansas released Sunday out of nowhere about nothing.
Speaker 1: Quote.
Speaker 2: The game today was a very good college basketball game.
Speaker 2: We played a very good team and we got beat.
Speaker 2: We had some individuals have exceptional individual games.
Speaker 3: And we have had.
Speaker 2: We've had and we had some maybe not play up
Speaker 2: to the standard they've set for themselves, but everyone on
Speaker 2: our team, coaches included myself more than anyone, had opportunities
Speaker 2: to impact the game. A play here there that could
Speaker 2: have been a difference in the game. Over the course
Speaker 2: of forty minutes, Texas Tech made more plays than we did.
Speaker 2: We competed, we tried, we came up short, and I'm
Speaker 2: proud of their efforts, and I'm also proud of their
Speaker 2: preparation to be ready for the game.
Speaker 3: We haven't had the.
Speaker 2: Overall year that we had hoped for ourselves, nor the
Speaker 2: year that many of other people have expected, but it
Speaker 2: hasn't been for lack of caring. I can do a
Speaker 2: lot of things better. We all could do a lot
Speaker 2: of things better. But I'll roll with these guys every
Speaker 2: day and be proud of it. Any criticism about the
Speaker 2: team should be directed at me. I'm the head coach.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to seeing how we bounce back against
Speaker 2: the terrific Houston team on Monday. Then after that game,
Speaker 2: I'll look forward to seeing how we respond to a
Speaker 2: terrific Arizona team on Saturday. This is the most important
Speaker 2: time of the season, and this is the time where
Speaker 2: we need to be better. But we also need to
Speaker 2: be focused on basketball and not things being set outside
Speaker 2: of basketball that have absolutely zero merit. End quote that
Speaker 2: was all unnecessary, Like what is he talking about now?
Speaker 2: I'm not plugged in to Kansas basketball to know like
Speaker 2: what's being said behind the scenes, but like, to me,
Speaker 2: he's doing a whole lot of No, I'm not retiring.
Speaker 3: Let me release his statement. Yes, I did talk to
Speaker 3: Oklahoma Like it's like.
Speaker 2: Bill Self, despite being clearly the most proven college basketball
Speaker 2: coach currently in the game outside of maybe Rick Patino,
Speaker 2: Like there are three coaches in the game right now
Speaker 2: with two titles, Rick Patino, Bill Self, and Danny Hurley.
Speaker 2: Like Bill Self has nothing to prove to anybody. But
Speaker 2: it's like he's developed this weird insecurity to where he
Speaker 2: needs to Like I mean, I think all of Like
Speaker 2: he didn't need to say anything about Oklahoma State having
Speaker 2: a conversation with him. He didn't need to, you know,
Speaker 2: come on Field of sixty eight's live stream to say
Speaker 2: he wasn't retiring, and he certainly didn't need to release
Speaker 2: says statement after all, Like it's just it's unnecessary, and
Speaker 2: it screams insecurity, and it also screams that like maybe
Speaker 2: he's crumbling a little bit.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I do know. We have to
Speaker 3: get you a quick break.
Speaker 2: We'll come back and wrap up at the four o'clock hour.
Speaker 2: Keep this thing rolling along. It's coffee and Company. We
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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't tell you the last time that
Speaker 2: I made it a point to.
Speaker 3: Watch Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 2: I'm a big SNL guy, but like most people, you know,
Speaker 2: it's just it's not what it used to be. But
Speaker 2: if Shane Gillis is gonna keep hosting, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: probably not gonna watch it every time live, but I'm
Speaker 2: gonna record it on my DVR and watch it or
Speaker 2: maybe just watch all the the skits the scenes that
Speaker 2: appear on social media.
Speaker 3: That's really what I've done now.
Speaker 2: But he went from not being able to host because
Speaker 2: he was on the cast in twenty nineteen, I think
Speaker 2: it was, but was dismissed after some old videos resurfaced whenever,
Speaker 2: you know, cancel culture was was real active, but he
Speaker 2: hosted in February and then did it, you know, so
Speaker 2: really twice in what the last few weeks, and his
Speaker 2: opening monologue you know, didn't hit and that was a
Speaker 2: big talking point.
Speaker 3: But I think most would agree that other than that,
Speaker 3: like it, like it's been hilarious and I don't.
Speaker 2: Know what it was, but it took a little while
Speaker 2: for me to realize just like, you know, how funny
Speaker 2: he is. I don't know what if it's his delivery,
Speaker 2: if it's the kind of humor, but he's I feel
Speaker 2: like as much as I've enjoyed, you know, hearing him
Speaker 2: on podcast, and I think he's really funny. He had
Speaker 2: that show, was it called Tires on Netflix? Like that was, yeah, Tires,
Speaker 2: that was his show, and I didn't have aut you know,
Speaker 2: I thought it'd be you know, kind of stupid funny,
Speaker 2: and it was, but like overall, like it was good.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: And he also has been really good on like Roast
Speaker 2: his stand up that I think was on Netflix. I
Speaker 2: enjoyed it, but you know, I didn't think it was
Speaker 2: like hilarious, But I think of all the things he
Speaker 2: does that I find him very funny in I feel
Speaker 2: like hosting SNL is like.
Speaker 3: He's perfect for that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I each time I pop open Twitter or TikTok,
Speaker 2: I guess the algorithm knows that I've become a big
Speaker 2: Shane Gillis fan because I'm seeing all these clips and
Speaker 2: it's like really really really funny.
Speaker 3: And ESENL.
Speaker 2: Like because they just recently did the fiftieth anniversary, that
Speaker 2: led to you know, a lot of old I mean, look, SNL's.
Speaker 3: Been around for fifty years.
Speaker 2: It's been around a long time, so there's a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff that I've never seen before from like, you know,
Speaker 2: legendary actors who haven't been on it in decades because
Speaker 2: you know, they've become a little too big for it.
Speaker 2: But man, I watching all the clips get resurfaced and
Speaker 2: even seeing some of the stuff that they did when
Speaker 2: they were celebrating the fiftieth anniversary, I mean really really
Speaker 2: good stuff.
Speaker 3: And and also, though, to be honest with you, it made.
Speaker 2: Me really really miss Chris Farley because you know, he's
Speaker 2: a legend and I don't really remember him on SNL
Speaker 2: because I wasn't watching it a whole lot. Then whenever
Speaker 2: I was that young, but clearly and that's really what
Speaker 2: has been like a. It's like a he's clearly been
Speaker 2: gone a long time. And I can't imagine how many
Speaker 2: hilarious movies and things he would have been a part
Speaker 2: of because he.
Speaker 3: Was just he was awesome.
Speaker 2: But whenever I end up seeing a really funny SNL
Speaker 2: Chris Farley skit that I'd never seen before, it's like
Speaker 2: me getting a chance to still see new Chris Farley stuff,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense, even though it's not technically new.
Speaker 2: In fact, it's very old, it's new to me. That's
Speaker 2: good stuff.
Speaker 3: All right, Speaking of good stuff, we got another hour
Speaker 3: coming your way, so stick around.
Speaker 2: I'll try to keep my clock management in order here,
Speaker 2: because you know, we got a clock management sir.
Speaker 3: The clock management. It's not my strong suit. But I'll
Speaker 3: get better. I need to.
Speaker 2: I feel like if I was gonna get better, i'll
Speaker 2: probably like kind of like I was talking about those
Speaker 2: bum acc coaches, like if it was ever going to
Speaker 2: work out, wouldn't it have wouldn't it have happened? If
Speaker 2: I was going to be better with the clock management,
Speaker 2: it probably would have already happened. But you know, I'll
Speaker 2: continue to try it's coffee and company fee about Thornon's
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