WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:04.839 I want to welcome everyone back to the Pete Canona Show. Thomas, 2 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:06.639 it feels like we haven't talked in like four or 3 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:08.199 five weeks or like a month or so. 4 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:11.839 Are you doing I'm doing well. Yeah, it's been a minute. 5 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:18.640 Even for me. I realize, I realize my content workflow 6 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:23.120 isn't what yours are or Jay Burdens or some of 7 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:26.640 the fellas is like I I I probably, I probably 8 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:28.600 look it probably makes me look like a special ed 9 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:35.479 kid or something. In my defense, I you know, even 10 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:39.960 when my health was better, I I tend to favor 11 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:45.079 highly conceptual topics and that kind of requires deep dives 12 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:46.880 like on my end to prepare that kind of stuff. 13 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:50.840 But you know it, I remain impressed by the fact 14 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:54.159 that you guys managed to be able to bang out 15 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:56.600 the content you do with the value you do, and 16 00:00:56.799 --> 00:01:03.600 it's always high quality. But yeah, I'm gonna drop the 17 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:06.640 st rep on my sub stack. But yeah, since since 18 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:09.120 I've been back from Arkansas, like I haven't, I haven't 19 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:11.560 done ship, like I haven't answered people's texts or emails. 20 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:14.280 This is supposed to be my big week to catch 21 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:16.239 up on some long form stuff like like none that 22 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:19.640 I was getting done like, I'm sorry for that. I 23 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:28.120 have not been feeling well but today and I and 24 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:34.280 I and I agree a series, or at least i'd 25 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:37.000 like to over three episodes, but at least two on 26 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:40.640 the subject of Earns Noblety, not just his thought and 27 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:47.439 kind of his particular school of revisionism, but what he represents. 28 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.079 You know, he was a student of Heidiger, and he 29 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:54.480 became very close to the Heidiger family, and that's important. 30 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:59.400 It's important not just put Heidiger in context. And I 31 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:04.000 generally agree with people including Leo Strauss interestingly, who I 32 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:06.760 don't have nice things to say about in terms of 33 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:14.199 his ethics, but he did have insight into like the 34 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:19.599 Western intellectual tradition. Heidiger was kind of the last continental philosopher, 35 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:24.520 I think, and Nolty was very much the error to 36 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:28.759 that tradition. You know, that began with people like meister 37 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:34.439 Eckert and continued with iv Zy Hegel and Chopenhauer and Nietzsche. 38 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:42.520 And that that alone renders him a significant personage. But 39 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:47.599 it's also people don't really understand what revisionism is. It's 40 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:51.159 not just a matter of taking narratives that have been 41 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:59.800 mythologized by ideologically committed peoples and institutions that have been 42 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:02.719 able to utilize a bully pulpit, you know, to kind 43 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:11.080 of force those perspectives on you know, on I kind 44 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:16.960 of the historical canvas generally. But it's also why these 45 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:25.680 controversies came about, oh to a certain crisis in in uh, 46 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:31.840 in the Western concept itself. No, I don't just mean ontologically, 47 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:36.599 you know, in terms of you know, questions people pose 48 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:42.439 themselves severally and collectively, you know, like who are we? 49 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:45.199 Like what what what is our culture? You know, like 50 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:47.360 what do we do we believe in God? I mean, 51 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:53.159 those things are away important, but I mean the the 52 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:56.080 collision with modernity and made no mistake, it was a 53 00:03:56.120 --> 00:04:02.840 collision of Western man and the catastrophes that ensued from 54 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:11.360 this that can't be overstated. Okay, and Nolty his brand 55 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:16.439 of revisionism is very much grounded in there describing that 56 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:23.240 process and identifying the twentieth century and you know, the 57 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:26.399 kind of the intellectual paradigms that were emerging in the 58 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:31.560 twentieth century and the kind of great ideologies that gave 59 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:38.319 rise to the the Second World War and beyond. Those 60 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:43.399 are those are derivative of this process. And the reason 61 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:45.759 why people develop a sort of blindness about this is 62 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:52.560 twofold in my opinion. Part of it is, obviously there's 63 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:55.199 a there's a there's a dominant narrative about the Second 64 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:59.319 World War that the current regime is a very it 65 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:02.279 has got it's got a very strong interest in sustaining, 66 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:07.199 not just because it it derives its moral legitimacy from 67 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:11.360 this narrative, but in in ontological terms, the way the 68 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:21.040 world is structured morally, politically, in just an absolute conceptual terms, 69 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:28.199 you know, derives from this narrative. But beyond that, there's 70 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:35.639 an inability, particularly in I think Anglophone intellectual traditions, to 71 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:39.279 really understand condone philosophy, like even when the even when 72 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:43.279 the variable is being described within that tradition, you know, 73 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:51.519 touching concern Anglophone cultures as much as they do you know, 74 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:56.759 Germanic or Francophone ones, there's a there's an inability to 75 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:01.079 really sort of approach those things on on the correct terms. 76 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:03.639 Like even if even if I'm not even talking about 77 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:07.800 accepting the postulists they're in, I'm saying that there's this 78 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:13.399 there's there's an entirely different conceptual vocabulary for approaching these things. 79 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:16.120 And it's not just because you know, oh the you know, 80 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:20.160 the English and the Scots are are pragmatic. That's not 81 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:22.519 That's not what it is. I mean that that's like 82 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:25.639 a shorthand for you know, kind of university type to 83 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:29.519 teach history of philosophy, your history of science courses. That's 84 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:34.040 we're talking about something both more opigue and more kind 85 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:41.920 of deliberate, deliberately maintained. You know. But really, when Nolding 86 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:48.399 dots to out revisionism, he's talking about what exactly happened 87 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:54.800 in the twentieth century, okay, And he's talking about what 88 00:06:54.959 --> 00:07:01.920 exactly national socialism and fascism represented contra capitalism and communism, 89 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:08.000 you know, and this was not I mean, anybody who's 90 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:11.439 educating on the subject, you know, knows that national socialism 91 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:13.920 had nothing to do with nationalism. Whatever that means that 92 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.920 that got the thinking was dead anyway by you know, 93 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:21.560 by by the turn of the twentieth century. You know, 94 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:24.319 it wasn't just it, It wasn't it wasn't a matter 95 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:26.759 of you know, quote unquote scapegoating people, because that doesn't 96 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.160 make any sense, you know, I mean, even if even 97 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:34.720 if one accepts kind of court history claims that for 98 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:39.160 no particular reason this Habsburg, Austria and the format, Hitler 99 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.079 just decided he didn't like Jewish people for for some 100 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.600 social reason. You know, that wouldn't be people would people 101 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:49.240 wouldn't respond to some some man's like petty like personal biases, 102 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:51.160 like why would they? That's not that's not the way 103 00:07:51.199 --> 00:08:03.160 things work. Okay, and uh, finally understanding how they kind 104 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:10.480 of dehumanization, the process of dehumanization at scale whereby human lives, 105 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:17.199 the horror of of human lives to the you know, 106 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:21.560 at at the level of millions, because ceremonies extinguished, like 107 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:25.000 cease to cease to be impactful, you know, like why 108 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:28.160 that happened, and why that was inevitable and how there 109 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:32.440 was a mirror of what preceded it in the case 110 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:36.480 of the Third Reich, and as the war situation deteriorated, 111 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.679 the onset of the categorical extermination of people who were 112 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:46.679 identified as standard bearers of the enemy idea. Okay, these 113 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:48.960 are the concerns that are already has so when we 114 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:54.200 talk about revisionism, we're not but we're not talking about 115 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.159 arguing over like gas chambers whether they existed, and things 116 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:00.879 like that because you already lost. You've already lost a 117 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.919 proverbial plot if you're doing that, Like, yes, there's a 118 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:07.919 lot of there's a lot of perjured testimony relating to 119 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.879 the instrumentalities of execution and things. Yes, there's a lot 120 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:17.279 of hyperbole that stands in for you know, actual documented events, 121 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:19.519 and that kind of thing should be rebutted. But that's 122 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:23.039 not what we're talking about, okay, and you're not in 123 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:26.759 the game of your own notion is basically, you know, 124 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:29.720 I accept court history, but you know this is wrong 125 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:32.759 because this many people couldn't have been killed. Like that's 126 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:38.639 now we're talking about. And if you're counting, if you're 127 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:43.799 counting casualty lists, or you're or you're aggregating estimates of 128 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:49.559 counter value attrition as as some sort of like atrocity contest, 129 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.600 you know that, I mean that, that's that's incredibly perverse. 130 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:55.279 But it's also not you're you're missing the point, you know, 131 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:00.799 So I know people will be like probably to them, 132 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:02.960 they're like, well, how's an oldie revision is he doesn't 133 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.720 do what earned his undilted or does and just claim 134 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:09.320 none of this happened, So it's not a real revisionist. 135 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:10.799 He was some kind of troll. It was some sort 136 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.240 of pre internet troll. And don't get me wrong, like 137 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:17.519 I there's a place for that, like Tom Metzker was 138 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.159 was in some ways one of those two. But that's 139 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.120 not that's not real history. And I realized I'm digressing, 140 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:28.559 But Fred Leuchter is a guy you should look into 141 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:32.919 if you're concerned with instrumentalities and and kind of a direct, 142 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.000 evidential rebuttal of some of the claims we're talking about. 143 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:44.600 I mean, Laker's got something with a tragic background owing 144 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:49.320 to uh, the fact that kind of like Alex Jones today, 145 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:51.799 Laker was very much singled out for destruction by the 146 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:56.200 regime when when his when he when he when he 147 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:58.759 when he developed a high profile which he did not 148 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:03.000 cultivate at all. But some that's kind of upset the 149 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.399 scope for we're talking about. Robert Fwerson is another one. 150 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:07.679 If then I guarantee in the comments section or whatever, 151 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:10.159 people are gonna say that like I'm not I'm not 152 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:15.840 giving a fair shake or whatever the to what they did. 153 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:17.720 The people that considered to be kind of like you know, 154 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:22.480 the the authors and and writers who constant divisionist Cannon 155 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:32.200 but getting into what are are subject for the day, 156 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:37.720 A lot is made of of Heidegger's purported affinity for 157 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:42.159 national socialism, and even people who are something like the 158 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:47.360 Heidiger they seems understand that the claim is, well, Heideger 159 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:50.480 was attracted to Nazism, you know, because he was a 160 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:53.399 German patriot, and then when he realized that these were 161 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:58.440 horrible people, he retreated from that. And or they or 162 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:02.480 they claim that, you know, he he coveted directorship of 163 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:07.320 Freiburg University and this is a simply a career decision 164 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.440 or something like. None of that even comes close to 165 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:18.440 the truth of the of the situation. Heideger was concerned, first, last, 166 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:24.559 and always with the crisis of Western civilization. Okay, and 167 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.600 this and his opinion had been under way at least 168 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:32.240 since the Third Years War, and probably why well before. 169 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:38.080 In terms of the kind of cultural mind. My your 170 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:44.120 notion is that the function of culture, what culture is? 171 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:52.840 The culture relates directly to the question of being. This 172 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.799 translating exactly what he means by being is difficult. It's 173 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:01.240 one part logos, it's one part qualia, it's one part consciousness, 174 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:06.919 it's one part sentience. But the way to understand and 175 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:08.080 the kind of short hot. 176 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.360 Shorthand what's quality. 177 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:14.720 Quillia is basically with people who study consciousness, if they 178 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:18.639 define as like that intangible factor that like makes humans human, 179 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:22.039 it goes to something beyond self awareness, but that it's 180 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:26.360 like ill defined in in quantitative terms, but it's basically 181 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:29.279 that combination of, you know, the ability to reason abstractly, 182 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:34.879 self awareness, the and the ability to act intentionally like 183 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:38.200 they're in that that that makes up like the human 184 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:42.320 consciousness has distinguished even from the most intelligent animals. Okay, 185 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:47.080 it's a neuroscience term. I believe that's its original kind 186 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:58.080 of provenance. But you know, in fundamental senses, being is 187 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:00.919 always kind of this question that that that's that, that's 188 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:06.519 that's that's ever present. Okay, You're thrust into the world, 189 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.279 you know, as a baby, and based the process of 190 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:14.639 your mind developing is the process by which you know, 191 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:17.360 you come to understand being. You know, and even like 192 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:22.279 even the most dullwitted human being, there's times at which 193 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:27.720 you know he's he's metaphorically speaking, startled by the strangeness 194 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:31.919 of his existence in the world. Okay, that's eye. The 195 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.240 most primitive societies have some notion of God. Okay, even 196 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:39.679 if it's just some idolatrous mock up of a bull 197 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.080 or something, because you know, we we slaughter the bulls 198 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:44.639 and from there, you know, we can eat and then 199 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:52.600 we can survive. So that is God. Okay. So being 200 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:58.639 to Heidegger and to traditionally Aryan Man or Indo European, 201 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:04.000 if you prefer, the kind of neologism was always an 202 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:12.679 open ended question. You know, it always uh, it always 203 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:18.120 it's it's the vantage point of it is uh always 204 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.519 involves man kind of steering into a conceptual abyss. Okay, 205 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:27.120 even that's not That doesn't mean it's intrinsically sinister, but 206 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:36.120 it's existentially disturbing because it's unknown. Okay. Now, in Heideger's view, 207 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:41.960 man comes to live historically because this is how the 208 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:44.720 question of being is answered, or at least this is 209 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:52.600 the way that it's reconciled with human existence. Moment to 210 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:58.600 moment man experiences time. You know, time is time basically 211 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:02.279 governs in both prozacon profound terms like everything man does 212 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:06.440 in an individual capacity as well as UH in a 213 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:09.799 in a an in a collective one okay, and moment 214 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:15.320 to moment man is forced to make decisions, and what 215 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:22.240 braggets all those decisions is time and thus death. Man's 216 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:26.240 always confronting his own is just oblivion generally as well 217 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:31.240 as his own death. Okay. Now, what mitigates the terror 218 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:33.960 of that, but what also allows man to kind of 219 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:39.519 conceptualize what being is in both his day to day 220 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:47.639 existence as well as in transcendental terms, is that looking 221 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:55.480 at one's existence backwards from this very moment. Now, there's 222 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:59.519 an infinite number of aggregate decisions that led to this point, okay, 223 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:05.400 rendered by my forebears, rendered by people who I've literally inherited, 224 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.599 you know, everything from the way I speak to my 225 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:14.640 folk ways. You know, it's like my biological aspects. There's 226 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:19.759 this chain of existence literally stretching backwards to the very 227 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:27.039 moment I wish my insistors became human. That is essentially, 228 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:35.039 again an aggregate of endless decisions rendered that constitute decisions 229 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:44.400 within that temporal bracketing and the process by which you know, 230 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.599 questions are posed second to second, moment to moment, hour 231 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.279 to hour, year to year, decade to decade, epoch to epoch, 232 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:57.680 and as we come to understand these things in aggregate 233 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:05.720 and as an aggregate process, a dialectical phenomenon comes into 234 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:14.720 conceptual view, okay, and that's what it is really to be. Okay. 235 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:21.440 It doesn't resolve obviously what it is, but it places 236 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:26.839 it in a context that is at least rational within 237 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:30.759 and it's bout it temporal terms, and that mitigates the 238 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:34.079 terror of just you know, living in a in a 239 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:37.279 world of the absolutely unknown, in which all beings and 240 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:42.279 objects and phenomenon are are just mysterious and threatening and 241 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:50.839 you know, totally unknowable according to the senses and in 242 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:57.799 the human mind. Now, that's a basically Aristotylian view. Okay. 243 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:00.079 I don't want to go off on a how how 244 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:02.880 exactly that is, because then we'll be here for weeks, 245 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:12.759 But that that understanding of of a dialectical process and 246 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:17.920 the temporal bracketing of that process is basically Aristotelian. Contra 247 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:23.640 was essentially a Platonist view, and ultimately what became the 248 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:30.519 Christian view, which is that being is this kind of presence, 249 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:35.759 this transcendental presence, okay. And you come to know that 250 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:39.880 presence through a combination of you know, pious commitment to 251 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:48.200 knowing it and through divide grace, both of which are 252 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:56.119 totally outside of temporal consideration. Okay. Now, it's not for 253 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:58.279 me to argue in order to in order to hideger 254 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:02.319 suggest that there's not preestlye type men or or or 255 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:07.519 literal prophets who can apprehend this and you know, come 256 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:11.119 to know God in this way that I there's no 257 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:13.519 reason to believe that that is not possible. Okay, But 258 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:19.279 in the terms and context, we're talking about the way 259 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:28.960 in which cultures develop around the principles that I described. Specifically, 260 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:36.279 the way the West developed it basically repudiated. It was 261 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:41.359 basically itself frompudiating postulate, you know, like as as the 262 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:45.559 scientific perspective and as the as scientism as what thing 263 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:48.160 Smith called it, and as you know, the kind of 264 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.559 conceptual biases of rationalism crowded out all other ways of knowing. 265 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.400 You know, It's like, okay, well we we we came 266 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:58.839 to understand the world is just you know, being populated 267 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:03.240 by various beings that we can empirically interpret and identify. 268 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:08.400 And like within that paradigm, where where is God? You know, 269 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:14.279 you can't identify God in those terms, not because there's 270 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:17.839 not you know, indicators of God within the you know, 271 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:22.319 the the physical world or anything like that. But you're 272 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:27.200 it's a totally conceptually, it's it's a totally different vocabulary. Okay. 273 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:33.279 So when you remove man from historical time and then 274 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:40.440 you remove him out of these practices that at one 275 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:47.920 time allowed him, you know, to apprehend being as a 276 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:53.440 divine presence, you're you're basically throwing him into chaos. Okay. 277 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:02.359 That that creates conditions whereby every decision he's rendering precedes 278 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:10.839 x niolo. Okay. This leads all kinds of pathologies. You know, 279 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.400 it leads to people, you know, it leads to social pathologies, 280 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:19.359 you know, in banal terms, you know, because social capital 281 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:23.960 breaks down. It leads to the deterioration of authority because 282 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:27.559 why why would people conceptualize authority as deriving from anything 283 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:33.519 other than convenience or you know, or power. Power. But 284 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:40.839 most most importantly, what it does is it forces people 285 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:46.000 to organize themselves according to what is noble and what 286 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:55.319 can allow them to recapture temporal boundaries. And that's basically 287 00:22:55.400 --> 00:23:00.319 that that which is technological. Okay. And this leads to 288 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:07.599 uniquely insidious outcomes, okay, one of which was communism, which, 289 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:15.640 aside from yes within marsis within Marxism, there's absolutely athno 290 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:20.000 sectarian prejudices. They're in like you know, all throughout it, 291 00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:24.599 but in absolute terms like whether the rubber meets the road. 292 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:30.680 As practice, what marcis Lennon isn't dictated was basically that, 293 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:37.759 you know, being is simply labor. You know, it's it's 294 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:41.839 this process of work and of working, you know, by 295 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.319 which man can shield himself from the elements and feed 296 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:51.440 himself and you know, avoid avoid pain as much as 297 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:56.400 you know, is can be reasonably as much as within 298 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:59.839 the realm of reasonable expectation, you know, until like a 299 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:06.359 actually he dies and that's it, you know, and there's 300 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:11.559 an internal object to that that is pretty remarkably consistent. 301 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:14.079 I advise people read dust Capital because I made the 302 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:19.640 point of people like Marxism, Marxism is nonsense, but it's 303 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.559 actually very well thought out nonsense. Uh, they're a bundle 304 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:26.240 of that as well. You know, it's completely self referencing. 305 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:29.039 But I mean that that's the shortcoming of every of 306 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:33.839 every modern ideology like capital eye, like theology, you know, 307 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:39.759 in the proper sense because by by categorically by definition 308 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:46.720 it's reference points are are beings, are are quantifiable objects 309 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:50.480 so there's really there. It's it's you're talking about the 310 00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:58.839 complete ebolition of metaphysics. Okay, the kind of the kind 311 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:06.039 of mirror of commun was capitalism. Now there's there's a 312 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:08.960 problematic term. I know people will say, well, capitalism is 313 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:14.160 just occur a coin, a term coined you know, by 314 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:17.960 Marxists themselves, and it appeared to stuff like Comy's manifesto. 315 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:23.039 That's true, but there is it's shorthand for the technological perspective. Okay. 316 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:32.880 That perspective is basically that material progress is basically potentially 317 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:39.000 infinite you know, the world. It's it's it's kind of 318 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:42.160 a perversion of the anthropic principle. It's that, oh well, 319 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:47.000 you know, man can perceive how to exploit all these 320 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.160 objects in the world around him, and even his own 321 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:54.519 body to maximum plenty, you know, the maximum pleasure, to 322 00:25:54.640 --> 00:26:00.319 basically infinite wealth. And that's that's basically the key to 323 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.720 being Okay is this. 324 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:06.519 Where where would where would transhumanism be on that scale? 325 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:11.319 It's an extreme manifestation of the latter what I just 326 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:16.480 described and key to transhumanism. It's so it's intrinsic to it. 327 00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:20.599 So it's not like it's emphasized, I believe because it's 328 00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:23.640 proponents just take it for granted, this idea that oh, 329 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:28.559 well there's you know, as as we advance, we're gonna 330 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:30.720 resolve all matter. As shortage could go basic people to 331 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:34.119 just kind of like create like matter from nothing. Like 332 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:39.039 it's it seems like a science fiction concept a little 333 00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:42.559 less so as time goes on. You know in movies 334 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:46.440 like that movie, you know, the movie District nine. Have 335 00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:49.319 you ever seen it? Yeah, definitely, Okay, Well, you know 336 00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:54.000 how like the alien technology, it's basically this fluid, but uh, 337 00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:57.119 it's like a smart nanotech fluid. So if like you 338 00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:59.559 add it to a human body, it's gonna try and 339 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:02.759 like reak constitute according to what it knows about biolo 340 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:04.720 what has been problem to a biology. So it turns 341 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.480 guind to an alien if you like apply it to 342 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:09.599 like a fuel source or like it's sinuated into a 343 00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.079 fuel source, you know, it's going to try and like 344 00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:14.640 purge the impurities, you know, to make it like most 345 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:20.440 like combustible or whatever. That's I've noticed in transhumanism when 346 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.480 people say like, oh, but what about sustainability or what 347 00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:27.200 about this? Without that, they basically always fall back and like, 348 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:29.480 well this is just going to be resolved you know, 349 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:34.480 bye bye, you know, by something by by something that 350 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:37.359 can just sort of like replicate whatever is needed, you know. 351 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:42.480 And uh, because that's the short that's the shortcoming of 352 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:46.839 the of the of the technological perspective like rid large 353 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:48.559 like at some point you like run out of stuff 354 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:51.960 to be like like kind of like it kind of 355 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.599 oversimplify it, you know, like there's not there's not more 356 00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:57.480 things to exploit. I mean, I mean that's in like 357 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:01.039 a value neutral term, like just if they materials not there, 358 00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:03.680 like what do you You're You're done? You know. 359 00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:08.240 Well that's also the whole thing about you know, Star Trek. 360 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:12.200 You see these machines that just create food, and it's 361 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.200 like yeah, yeah, what what's that machine run on? Yeah, 362 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:16.839 what happens that's taken away? 363 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:19.359 Well it's interesting too, Like I don't want to digress 364 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.480 too much, but it's like that was the the reason 365 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:24.279 why people went crazy about nuclear power, you know, like 366 00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:26.839 thinking you know, like literal like atomic age stuff like 367 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.880 this is you know, a brave new era of infinite energy, 368 00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.119 like you can't like for all radical purposes, like atomic 369 00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:36.920 energy is like power from nothing like eventually. Yeah, like 370 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:39.839 if your your your fuel source does burn out. But 371 00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:43.759 that's but but it's it's exponentially it's got an exponentially 372 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:50.799 longer life than any other it's evil fuel source. That's why. 373 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.680 That's where you're gonna see colliding more and more too. 374 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.079 It is that these transhumanist types who think that they 375 00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:59.880 who think that that's like what they're u toldia is. 376 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:01.880 But at the same time they're like terrified of of 377 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.319 things like nuclear power. It's like you you can't have 378 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:09.079 it full ways. But no, that's the Yeah, that's why. Yeah, 379 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:12.000 that's that's in every that's one of the reason why 380 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.680 Dune is smart science fiction every different kind of thing. 381 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.880 But you know, like Dune deals in at planetary level 382 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.160 like shortage economies, which eventually everything becomes a shortage economy, 383 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.000 you know, over on a long enough timeline, matter how 384 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.319 conservationist you are, you know, it's you know, like the 385 00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.839 the ar Conans, the hardcons have become incredibly wealthy, but 386 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:35.440 the cost was basically like annihilating photosynthetic potential on their planet. 387 00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:37.880 So they're like a dying society. You know, I got 388 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.880 to react as itself. You know, there's there's no water. 389 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:44.000 So I mean, like everything from the way people greet 390 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:46.960 one another to you know, the way like the way 391 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.039 military doctrine is organized, you know, is accounts for you know, 392 00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.640 the shortage of water. You know, like the entire U 393 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:59.519 the galagic imperium runs on this narcotic that's also you know, 394 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.920 like a light enhancing like geriatric. But that also as 395 00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.960 you know, the basic this like practical necessity of allowing 396 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:12.039 navigators to to perceive like what pathways could be navigated 397 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:15.480 through space without you know, losing without like fifty percent 398 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:20.559 attrition or something for their for their highlighters. But but 399 00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:27.920 that's to bring it back, uh, like with Heidiggers, what 400 00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:31.160 Heidiger saw in the Third Reich, it wasn't so much 401 00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.039 that he's like what It wasn't almost like he thought 402 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.759 Hitler himself was a heroic figure, although he may have. 403 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.039 I mean, frankly, I made the point before Germans didn't 404 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:43.000 particularly like the NSDAP. They love to eat off Hitler. 405 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:46.200 It wasn't so much that he thought the National and 406 00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:53.480 Socialist Program was this incredible revolutionary program. It's that this 407 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:59.680 was the first time in the modern age and almost 408 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:04.559 at the critical juncture owing to the revolutionary situation underway globally, 409 00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:11.720 that there was some kind of political cadre talking about 410 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:16.160 what we just discussed. You know, Hitler was saying there 411 00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:20.119 is a crisis in Western civilization. You know, nobody else 412 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:24.880 was saying that. You know, whether he was wrong or right, 413 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.559 or good or evil or neither. You know, it wasn't 414 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:35.279 Huey Long Wasn't wasn't saying that, you know, there's a 415 00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:37.720 spiritual crisis in the West, and that's why, like our 416 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.079 system is breaking down and we can no longer, we 417 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.519 can no longer sustain you know, like a moral or 418 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.359 social consensus. You know, nobody in the Soviet Union, I 419 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.400 mean the parts they were all dead, was saying, you know, well, 420 00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:54.440 this is this is a confrontation basically with God and transcendence. 421 00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.359 You know, nobody on this planet was saying that. I 422 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.759 think the Japanese were. But that's the whole other subject. 423 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.480 And that's a fascinating topic as to why, you know, 424 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:11.200 why there was that affinity and Italian fascism had something 425 00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.480 of a different source, and uh, we'll get into that 426 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:18.160 as we get into Nulty proper. That was related to 427 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:23.599 the kind of intellectual nexus that the national socism was, 428 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:26.200 but it was different. It was far more radical, it 429 00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:29.839 was it was far more of It was far more 430 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:35.759 of of of a of a revolutionary response to conditions 431 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:41.480 immediately press easons. But so basically a Heidiger's understanding was 432 00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:46.160 it the form this is going to take and in 433 00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:52.359 ideological terms isn't really important. You know, the fact that 434 00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:59.440 this is conceptually front and center is what is important. 435 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:05.640 And if this movement is allowed to be destroyed, there's 436 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:10.759 gonna be no more Europe, you know. And again not 437 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.759 not because he saw that there was something intrinsically sacred 438 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.559 about the National Solist movement or something like there in 439 00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:22.079 Heidiger's mind, like that kind of thing wasn't even possible 440 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:33.480 through political activity. But this was the spark of that awakening, Okay, 441 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:41.000 And that's that's that's what that's what's important. I mean, 442 00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:50.960 that's uh the uh so, no, after Nolty. Nolty was 443 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.799 he was a student of Heidegger and he became very 444 00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:59.400 close to the family. Uh. He downplayed this and a 445 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.119 lot was a like there was something sinister or something 446 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:06.000 like I Nulty absolutely was not, you know, like running 447 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:09.079 from some sinister association. I mean, that's preposterous is that 448 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:13.280 he he didn't want to mind cloud from a man 449 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.960 who was, you know, really like an intellectual giant. And 450 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:22.960 I think anybody who's serious in their study of chedrophilosophy, 451 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.280 whether they accept all the height of his postulates or not, 452 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:32.239 acknowledges that, you know what really Uh, The book that 453 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:36.480 first put Nulty on the map was The Fascist Missing 454 00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:41.440 Sign on it hook Fascism in its epoch. It was 455 00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:45.840 transmitting to English as Three Faces of Fascism, okay, and 456 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.360 this was probably the first serious treatment of fascism of 457 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:59.599 national socialism from a critical perspective through the lens of 458 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:04.760 you know, continental philosophy and political theory. Something that became 459 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.840 something that had become popular in the fifties was this 460 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:13.800 idea of totalitarianism and that part of this was just 461 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:21.199 typical kind of code war vernacular extrapolated to the Academy 462 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:26.599 and passed off as as some sort of meaningful analysis 463 00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:30.079 in lieu of you know, just kind of cheap polemic, 464 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.239 which in my opinion it was cheap polemic. But this 465 00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:39.880 there's this idea, there's just kind of like pop sociological 466 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.119 under like understanding in the Academy that oh, well, What 467 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.559 really distinguishes, what really distinguishes modern states one another, is 468 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.239 that places like the Third Roike and the Soviet Union 469 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:54.119 were totalitarian, you know, presumably in America and in the UK. 470 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.400 You know, we value personal liberty and things, and so 471 00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:00.159 we don't have to suffer the total state because our 472 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.480 people wouldn't tolerated. That's fucking stupid for all kinds of reasons. 473 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:06.320 And it also obviously doesn't account for the fact that 474 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:11.280 these these these states that supposedly share like a common 475 00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:17.079 like a common value system, these totalitarian states like waged 476 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:22.440 these like utterly devastating like Ross and Creek conflicts against 477 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.639 one another. But you know, novelty basically is objective. Was 478 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:31.960 the kind of like robut that coition is as well 479 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:36.480 as you as well as a tackle some of them 480 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.159 more serious critiques and treatments of the third Right. But 481 00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:46.840 that nevertheless kind of like missed the mark. Basically, what 482 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:52.239 he laid down is that the action France, say, which 483 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:57.920 who's kind of got leading intellectual was Charles and Morass. 484 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:03.960 He said, look, you know France, which had uh, France 485 00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:06.119 was kind of the comperial canary in the coal mine 486 00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:11.840 as regards revolutionary processes, obviously, you know it was uh, 487 00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:15.519 it was at the turn of the nineteenth century. You 488 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:20.920 know that France was utterly devastated by a revolutionary historical impulse. 489 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:28.199 So he said that Noldy suggested that a kind of 490 00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:33.599 a kind of deep seated reactionary tendency developed in France, okay, 491 00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:38.159 and then which endures. So the opposition in France is 492 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:43.840 always going to be like radically conservative, okay, and people 493 00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:51.400 like the Maestra, you know, the counter Enlightenment philosophers. There 494 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.920 was very much like a Francophone like stamp on this, okay. 495 00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:00.880 So he says that emerging in the twentieth century kind 496 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.039 of like the first truly like modern like like in 497 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.880 twentieth century terms, like reactionary movement was like the action 498 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:12.480 frant state, okay. He said, the response to that reaction 499 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:20.400 where the Italian fascists okay, who were it was basically 500 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:27.639 a radical probletarian movement, you know that it was a 501 00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.119 it was a form of both resistance too and reaction 502 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.639 against modernity, but it also embraced like certain aspects of 503 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:40.639 hyper modernity, you know, which seemed which seemed incoherent. The 504 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:47.280 people who don't really understand was underway, but there was 505 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.360 a I think that one of the reason that ampathized 506 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.480 George Sorel so much is because thinkers like him are 507 00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:58.159 kind of the tie that binds what seems like opposing tendencies. 508 00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:07.480 But and most significant Noldies suggested national socialism was a 509 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:11.360 synthesis of these two tendencies, you know, which themselves were 510 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:16.639 a reaction against, you know, the tendency towards Bolshevism as 511 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:21.719 the new kind of as the new uh iteration of 512 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:26.280 of you know what had was first emergent with the 513 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:31.760 Jacobin Revolution. You know, Thus, national socialism it's both it's 514 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:38.159 both radical in reactionary, it's both revolutionary and conservative. You know. 515 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:41.239 His point was, uh, this is this was actually a 516 00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:51.400 very coherent, very cohesive, remarkably integral ideological program, and that's 517 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.360 one of the reasons people responded to it like they did. 518 00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:57.760 Like this idea was just some I mean, politicians are 519 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:01.360 constantly trying to conventional politicians, they're constantly promising all these 520 00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.920 old people, they're constantly preaching, especially in those days, some 521 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.000 kind of reconciliation between the classes, and they're getting absolutely nowhere, 522 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.639 you know whatsoever. But you're supposed to believe the National 523 00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:16.000 Socialists they could just somehow like remedy these things like 524 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:19.639 good propaganda, even though there was no coherence to it, 525 00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:21.960 I guess ridiculous, you know, like one of the reasons 526 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:29.280 why they were able to capture the mand that they 527 00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:35.280 were was because they were uniquely astride the dialectical process 528 00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:39.360 as it was either resolving or coming to pieces. Everyone 529 00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:44.159 perceives it, you know, as of you know, like nineteen 530 00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:54.440 twenty nine, nineteen thirty altoming the point that even people 531 00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.119 who are partisans and standard bearers of the spirit of 532 00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:01.119 the age in which they live, and even men are 533 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:07.320 willing to literally kill or die for their ideological commitments, 534 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.199 they may not even be fully aware of of what 535 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.559 of what of what phenomenon they are serving, or what 536 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.119 or what they're participating in and what's underway. And in 537 00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:26.159 apocal terms, know, the's opinion was basically that, look, philosophy 538 00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:32.280 lives on in political terms. You know, whatever you can 539 00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:36.519 say about you know, philosophy is having been you know, 540 00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:42.280 divorced from what's becomes scientific practice. Whatever you can say 541 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:48.280 about you know, anything related to him to uh, the 542 00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:55.199 conventional sociology he politics, if anything, UH has become like 543 00:41:55.400 --> 00:42:02.199 more remote from UH, the common man's ability to two 544 00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:08.679 to apprehend it, you know, the meta political dimension of 545 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:15.559 politics as he was observing it. You know, in the 546 00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:20.079 the early Cold War. Nolty's opinion was one of the 547 00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:22.519 reasons these particularly dangerous times is not just because the 548 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:28.800 state of technics and obviously you know, like the the 549 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:32.000 development of the bomb and things like this, but you've 550 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.840 got people who absolutely have no no ability to perceive 551 00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.519 what's under way, and and they're they're they're at the 552 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:46.599 helm of of of of great power states and they've 553 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.840 they've they're either conflating you know, rhetoric with reality or 554 00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.000 they perceive the fact that they've been able to capture 555 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.599 you know, they've been able to they've been able to 556 00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:01.559 rise the the front office or the or there the 557 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:06.719 or the the titular head of a state organ that 558 00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:08.679 that at least can you know, manufacturing and sent to 559 00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:12.000 the degree that you know they're they're they're not gonna 560 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.960 be removed by by force. You know, they take that 561 00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:20.199 as some sort of like providential indicator that you know, 562 00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:25.639 they're they're somehow fit to render decisions when they absolutely 563 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:32.920 are not. And this is important. The UH and this 564 00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:36.280 was in fact, uh, this was in fact an aspect 565 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.760 to that I believe Heidegger I felt was present in 566 00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:46.360 in fascism that uh mind you, there was plenty of 567 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.960 National gall Lighters who weren't particularly intelligent. Even those who 568 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.800 were didn't view themselves as as some kind of like 569 00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:56.679 as some kind of like high priesthood and the political 570 00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:00.480 or something. But these guys did view themselves is almost 571 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:08.519 an exception as initiates in two historical processes. You know 572 00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:12.920 that they came to perceive either through their baptism by 573 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:17.239 fire at the front as young men, or you know, 574 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.639 by some sort of epiphany that a lot of people 575 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:25.599 suggested that they had, you know, in the company of Hitler. 576 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:33.000 I mean, whether you accept that or not, there was 577 00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:40.480 an understanding among among National socialists, among fascists. Stuff like 578 00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:43.440 the Iron Guard hasn't been different. I looked back at 579 00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.119 the stuff as like adjacent, but not really the same phenomenon. 580 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:51.800 It was far more kind of conventionally theological and related 581 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.760 to to what we think of is a crusader impulse, 582 00:44:55.960 --> 00:45:00.800 like literally, but just the very fact that these men 583 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:04.079 looked at themselves in the terms that I described it 584 00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:06.800 says that they were conceptualizing politics in a way that 585 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:14.480 their enemies were not. Okay, like the cope of of 586 00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.760 anti fascists. Well, that's because they were crazy, Okay, But 587 00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.679 that's not that's that's not that's a non answer, that's 588 00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:30.320 a non perspective. The way these people, like the true 589 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:40.599 national Socialist partisans, in these estimation they viewed the process 590 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:43.840 that we talked about a moment ago at the outset 591 00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:48.760 of not just you know, the removal of man from 592 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:52.400 history by the and by and the removal of man 593 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:58.199 from historical time by the combination of the technological perspective 594 00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:03.280 and the deterretoryation of you know, the ability to approach 595 00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:14.199 God and uh, either pious or or conceptual terms. Nulty 596 00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:20.320 believed that this would never like man would never recover, Okay, 597 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:26.440 if the kind of practical transcendence what he called it, 598 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:31.119 of the Soviet Union in the United States, of Sovietism 599 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:34.760 and Americanism reached full realization. What do you mean by 600 00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:43.559 practical transcendence? Okay, When man is able to master things 601 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:48.800 that once were believed only to be the domain of God, 602 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.320 that's when that's when God is truly dead in the 603 00:46:56.440 --> 00:47:00.159 in in in the collective like cultural mind Okay, like 604 00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.840 whether you're talking about, you know, the conquest of space, 605 00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:05.920 when you're talking about the humors of like a culture 606 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:07.840 that claims like we can turn like a male into 607 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.719 a female and vice versa, like or you're talking about 608 00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:13.400 people who claim like, you know, we can, we can 609 00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.559 we can create humans like outside of a woman's womb, 610 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:19.800 you know, just by the manipulation of the game meets 611 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:26.480 and things. Yes, okay, that kind of thing is born 612 00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:29.239 of a humorous which is not remotely godly. But we're 613 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:34.679 talking about we're talking about cultural mindset, and you know, 614 00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:38.239 we're talking about the way these things are, The way 615 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.840 these things are are are devised according to you know, 616 00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:49.960 man generally, man's ability to perceive generally, And again, where 617 00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:52.239 are we talking about conditions whereby man's ability to know 618 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:55.960 God has been reparably compromised. Okay, this is a basic 619 00:47:56.079 --> 00:48:03.159 vulnerability here, you know, the uh, the irony being of 620 00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:07.960 course that as this kind of practical transcendence is accomplished, 621 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:12.199 you know, the absence of culture and the ripping out 622 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:18.000 a man from these tem pro boundaries that facilitate culture, 623 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:21.920 that makes it more brutish, like more ignorant, like more impoverished. 624 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.280 You know, it breeds literal backwardness because people no longer 625 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:29.039 understand you know, race and class anymore. You know, people 626 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.199 no longer pursue meaningful education. You know, at best, you know, 627 00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.000 like an educated man's a technician, you know, like it 628 00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:42.440 becomes it. Uh, the like like the fruit of this 629 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:47.440 transcendence and this ability to create you know, god like 630 00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:53.519 technics and presumably generate wealth out of nothing is uh, 631 00:48:53.960 --> 00:49:01.639 ironically a kind of like a kind of total degradation 632 00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:05.119 of the human being you know, at scale, and the 633 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:09.159 absolutely like annihilation of culture. With a few generations of 634 00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:17.119 this presumably the result is what Hitler said about the 635 00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:21.920 destruction of man's ability to bear culture is as being 636 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.239 the end result of an intention of a bolshevized planet, 637 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:29.119 whereby people won't really be people anymore, Like regardless of 638 00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.599 the mentioned material in question, they'll have no memory of culture. 639 00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:34.960 They'll be they'll be unable to bear it even if 640 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.039 they did. You know, you'll you'll people basically who live 641 00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:40.440 on the level of the animals, just they all of 642 00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:43.360 an ability to you know, speak and you know, think 643 00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.360 abstractly in so far as you know, being able to 644 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:48.960 kind of cond ofent the next day, whether they want 645 00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:52.000 to fill their belly with or satisfy whatever glandiar impulse 646 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:56.119 by accomplishing. But you know they the only thing that 647 00:49:56.280 --> 00:50:01.519 really makes makes man man is culture. There not there's 648 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:05.440 not there's that's an anatomical thing or what have you, 649 00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:10.360 or or some special structure in his brain that that 650 00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:14.840 that makes this impossible, you know. And this is a 651 00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:20.039 this is what was a fundamental concern to Nouldy, and 652 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:25.280 this is I believe why he began writing when he did, 653 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:32.920 as as the Cold War being heating up. Yeah, I 654 00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:35.440 want to want to wrap this up in a minute. 655 00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:39.440 I'm not feeling great. And also I I realized this 656 00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:42.639 is like a long introduction man, but I think it's 657 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:46.400 important because, like I, assuming you're okay with this, this 658 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.079 is your show. Next episode, I want to get into 659 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:55.719 the historians debate or the historical striketh as it was 660 00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:59.440 called the historians controversy. There's not putting aalty on the map, 661 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.960 kind of on the academic map. I mean people who 662 00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.800 people in who had an interest in in kind of 663 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:12.880 philosophy and in serious scholarship of the third Reich New Obem. 664 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.400 But it was not late nineteen eighties kind of as 665 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:22.400 as philosophical would poplicarly philosophical discussion of the Third Reich 666 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.159 and the Soviet Union, you know, kind of as the 667 00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:29.760 Cold War was winding down, this kind of thing was 668 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:35.079 at its most intense interestingly. But next episode will get 669 00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:39.599 into like how that was emergent and how exactly Nolty 670 00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:43.199 became affiliated or identified not affiliated, you know, with like 671 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.719 Holocaust revisionism, which, like I said, there's nothing all wrong 672 00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:50.960 with Holocaus's revisionism, but Nolty is adjacent but a different 673 00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:53.800 represents a different tendency, and we'll get into what I 674 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:56.079 mean by that. I hope that this was not too 675 00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.480 scatter shout, I didn't bore people. Also, I'm not feeling great, 676 00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:04.000 so forgiving man. If like my ideas, we're not terribly fluid, 677 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:08.079 No no problem at all. Do some plugs and we'll 678 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:12.559 end it. Yeah, man, you can always find me at 679 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:16.119 the substick. It's real Thomas seven seven seven at substick 680 00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:18.639 dot com. We gotta chat there too. In addition to 681 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:23.519 like my In addition to my podcasts and like videos 682 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:26.880 and other cool stuff, you can always find me on Twitter, 683 00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.360 at least at the time being uh, they like monetize 684 00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:33.880 me Eastie. They're getting nukre but you never fucking know. 685 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:41.079 It's uh at Capital R E A L underscore number 686 00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.320 seven h O A S seven seven seven. You always 687 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:47.599 find me on my website. It's real Thomas seven seven 688 00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:52.400 seven dot com, Real Aria, or it's just Tomas seven 689 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:54.760 seven dot com. Sorry, as you can tell them with fevers, 690 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:57.239 it's just number seven hm A S seven seven seven 691 00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:01.320 dot com. I'm on Telegram. I'll probably get more active 692 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.480 as I have less time on social media to fuck around. 693 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.000 You can find me on YouTube. It's Thomas TV. Do 694 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:11.960 a search of Thomas seven and seven on YouTube and 695 00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:16.800 you will find me. Yeah man, that's what I got, all. 696 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:19.320 Right, Thank you. Until the next episode, Thanks Thomas. 697 00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:20.199 Yeah man. 698 00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:25.360 I want to welcome everyone back to the Pea Canana Show. 699 00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:30.039 Thomas is here and we're gonna jump into part two 700 00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:32.159 of a dive into Earnst Snalty. 701 00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:37.559 Hey don, Thomas, we're doing well. The context to what 702 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:45.239 became known as the historical strike Beyond the obvious that 703 00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:50.280 needs to be addressed the kind of first proverbial shots 704 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:59.679 fired across the bow, specifically relating to revisionous treatment to 705 00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:06.400 the whole costs and historical historiographical terms. That conversation was started, 706 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:12.239 at least between public intellectuals, and in the Buddhist Republic 707 00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:15.920 there was an active community of public intellectuals, not just 708 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:23.199 because of the peculiar and rather tragic conditions that characterize 709 00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:29.039 that state, you know, sociologically and politically, but the Cold 710 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:32.960 War meant that these people had to say in policy 711 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:36.199 discussions that they wouldn't otherwise. I mean that was in 712 00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:41.519 any in any combatant state to the Cold War, and 713 00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:47.480 when one considers the ongoing status of mobilization and everything else, 714 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:52.800 I don't think it's hyperblele to refer to NATO and 715 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.800 the warsaw packed ops has combat in the States and 716 00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:01.280 every country thus situated, you had a coterie of of 717 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:05.519 intellectuals who were not just permitted to speak on policy matters, 718 00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:09.440 but we're expected to do so. But in Germany this 719 00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:18.159 was particularly this was particularly visible at tendency, an act 720 00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:24.199 of a kind of at discourse. What kicked off the 721 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:29.280 historical strike was, I mean, the immedia catalyst was Reagan's 722 00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:31.360 Bittberg speech. For people who are too young to know 723 00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:38.960 or don't remember, the D Day anniversary, the fortyth anniversary. 724 00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:44.480 In eighty four, Reagan was Reagan was in Europe anyway 725 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:52.480 for NATO related summit type at diplomatic activities. He spoke 726 00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.679 at Bittberg, and he went out of his way to 727 00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:59.599 say that the Waffen SS and Rmacht ward had buried 728 00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:01.880 there victims of the war just as much as the 729 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:05.159 Allied word and they should be respected. It's basically parodying 730 00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:07.639 what Conrad ad Nower said and now are much as 731 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:09.880 people on the right dislike him. I don't have many 732 00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:11.800 nice things to say about ad Hour, but he's a 733 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:17.400 complicated figure. And ad Nower said he and now insisted 734 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:21.360 that Wehrmacht veterans gont get full pension rights. The BOB 735 00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.800 and SS was not so fortunate. But that's that's why 736 00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:30.920 they established their own, you know, networks to facilitated that 737 00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:34.639 kind of thing. But this sparked this kind of whole. 738 00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:38.199 I mean, obviously the Reds, like the actual Reds were 739 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:43.320 still like very powerful then that their their narrative was well, 740 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.360 you see that this just proves that, you know that 741 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.320 NATO was just a fascist that like a reconstituted fascistic 742 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.800 block that is trying to trying to halt the advance 743 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:56.280 of history, you know, by by by military arm from 744 00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:58.840 the threat of nuclear war, and of course they find 745 00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.320 common cause with these dead fascists. You know, these guys 746 00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:09.639 are the sort of military social democrats. They basically parroted that, 747 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:14.719 but for a lot more dishonest and dishonorable reasons, you know. 748 00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:19.079 They Reagan was kind of Donald Trump before there wasn't Trump, 749 00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:20.960 you know, I mean his he was a lot more 750 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:26.199 of a significant figure in terms of power, political phenomenon things. 751 00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:29.280 Obviously this was the world situation, but you know, the 752 00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.119 narrative people, Reagan was a man that people love to hate, 753 00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:35.559 you know, for the kind of permanently aggrieved opposition you know, 754 00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:42.280 in America and as well as in the EU. There's 755 00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:44.599 a broader context of bitt Berg though that relates the 756 00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:46.960 helmet Cole. And like we talked about Cole a lot 757 00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:52.760 in these series that we do, Cole was about the 758 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:59.760 only like truly kind of nationalistic minded uh consler post 759 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:03.079 war were, you know, and that like his his final 760 00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:07.920 act in that role, like we talked about, was the 761 00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.920 unconditional recognition of the infinited state of Croatia, which, like 762 00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:15.159 Monkey runched a lot of the designs of Bush and 763 00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:20.360 Baker and what they hoped to accomplish in Europe after 764 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:24.239 the Cold War. You know, but it wasn't just it 765 00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:27.960 wasn't just placating coal like people have to understand that 766 00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:33.480 there was this bizarre situation after Deyton fell apart and 767 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:36.559 and and Deyton was dead was was was dead? Is 768 00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:42.719 as Dillinger really even before Reagan took the oath of office. Okay, 769 00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:46.760 and a few things owed to that, which you are 770 00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:49.559 kind of outside the scope of our media discussion here, 771 00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.000 but such said it was the Cold War was back 772 00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:57.880 on in earnest. The Buddhist Republic had a military draft. 773 00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:01.719 They weren't just expect did to participate in the defense 774 00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:06.199 of Europe from warsaw pacts. They were they were the 775 00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:10.519 main line of resistance. Okay, So we were drafting these guys, 776 00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:14.039 you know, directly out of high school. We were putting 777 00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:15.800 them on what was to be the front line of 778 00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:23.320 World War three. In nuclear command and control terms, the 779 00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:30.679 NATO Charter demanded and what operations Protocol was was that 780 00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:37.519 American nuclear weapons based in the Boonies Republic warheads would 781 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:44.639 always be in the possession of of American forces, but 782 00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:48.159 their launch vehicles would be under control of the bundess Republic, 783 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.519 and in order to be married to those vehicles there 784 00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:55.719 had to be an agreement on a legitimate launch order. 785 00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:59.880 So basically we were relying on these people who essentially 786 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:04.280 commit suicide to stop the Soviet Union when the Warsaw 787 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:10.000 Pack ancelaught came. Now, if you're gonna do that, While 788 01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:13.480 at the same time saying Germany is basically a constitutionally 789 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:18.320 evil country like race of people, and German militarism is 790 01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:23.199 the source of all all woes in the world. There's 791 01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:27.280 there's a there's a cognitive dissonance there that can't be 792 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:29.840 sustained in policy terms, and that's been going more and 793 01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:38.800 more clear, you know. And for context, the main the 794 01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:42.239 mainline of resistance. If Warsaw Packed had in fact assaulted, 795 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:46.079 obviously the Battle of Berlin would have been a mailstrom. 796 01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:50.800 The Buddhist fair had to defend. They're respected to defend Berlin. 797 01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:55.079 They're respected to reinforce the Benelux and the British and 798 01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:58.320 the North German plane, and they're expected to defend the 799 01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:01.199 folded gap at all calls to the last man with 800 01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:08.239 nuclear weapons if necessary, and to reinforce and reconstitute forces 801 01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:11.880 there it basically until they could no longer do so. 802 01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.199 So they're talking about a million dead Germans within a 803 01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:24.360 few days. Okay, And again you can't if that's if 804 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:29.239 that's standing policy and you're public about that policy, because 805 01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:32.880 that's the only way that you can maintain credibility contra 806 01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:37.760 Op four. You've got to be willing to back it 807 01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:41.119 up politically, and if you're Ronald Rigg, and that means 808 01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:43.639 you can't go to Bittberg and say that these men 809 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:48.199 buried here who died resisting communism, I might add, you know, 810 01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.079 are the scum of the earth, and they're evil and 811 01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:52.039 we must never let them rise again. I mean, this 812 01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:56.679 should be obvious to anybody. But you know, one of 813 01:01:56.719 --> 01:02:02.119 the perverse ATHLETs of the Cold War, I think, was 814 01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:05.960 that there was a there was an aspect of the 815 01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:10.519 laft who are truly like Warsaw Pact sympathizers. I mean, obviously, 816 01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:13.000 I mean though that that that element was always far 817 01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:18.880 stronger and more organically constituted in Europe than it was 818 01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:21.480 in America. But there was some of that in America 819 01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:24.679 even after the sixty eight kind of schism. But like 820 01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:26.280 a lot of these people were just the I mean 821 01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:29.719 they were just they were just disengaged morons, like they 822 01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:34.199 had no like It's like it didn't compute that right there. 823 01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:37.440 Wrong with America was in the Cold War. It couldn't 824 01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:42.320 just be stopped, you know. And I mean unless unless 825 01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:48.280 America is gonna call it off or seed you know, uh, 826 01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:51.719 the inner German border to the communists. I mean this 827 01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:57.760 the uh, not just the the mainline resistance in the 828 01:02:57.800 --> 01:03:04.280 share punk of NATO's military capability, but also the political 829 01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:11.519 will to resist Warsaw Pact in political terms, you know, 830 01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:17.960 came down to Germany's continued willingness to contribute, you know. 831 01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:21.519 So this is kind of what opened the door to 832 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:26.039 what became known as you know, the historic or strife. 833 01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:29.679 And I mean the point in the first episode. The 834 01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:32.000 reason why A Deep Dive so much in an Eli's background, 835 01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:34.360 It's not just because I've got my own interests in 836 01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:41.960 political theory and philosophical things. It's because the reason why 837 01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:45.639 Nolty's blunked in with you know, all revision is so 838 01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:50.159 they're talking about people like Fred Leikter or Ernes Zundel 839 01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:53.960 or David Irving. Like basically ever just limped into the 840 01:03:54.039 --> 01:04:02.639 revisionists camp if they reject this claim at the German 841 01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:10.119 people are the atavistic population that is prone to homicidal 842 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:14.679 racial hatred scale, that the Third Reich was the spontaneous, 843 01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:23.440 unprovoked criminal conspiracy to carry out those aforementioned tendencies against 844 01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:27.920 escapegoaded population again for no particular reason other than hostility, 845 01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:35.440 like ambiguous hostility. And also that the reason why the 846 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:44.519 twentieth century was characterized by these deep crises that culminated 847 01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:49.559 in you know, to global conflagrations and then a half 848 01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:55.639 century of nuclear brinksmanship is because of some sort of 849 01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:02.920 sunder vague within Germany cultural trajectory that makes them prone 850 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:06.000 to militarism. Like none of that makes any sense, okay, 851 01:05:06.039 --> 01:05:09.639 I mean it should be clear to anybody who's at 852 01:05:09.639 --> 01:05:13.360 all sophisticated on political or military matters. This is not 853 01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:17.719 how This is not how populations behave at scale and politically, 854 01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:24.679 that's just not how things work. And Multi's starting point 855 01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:29.840 was basically like long before eighty forty five eighty six, 856 01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:38.079 when the historic of strife really jumped off in earnest 857 01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:43.079 like Noulti made that point in his earlier books. He said, 858 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:48.519 if you're gonna claim that national socialism was just this 859 01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:53.920 sort of was just sort of like the private prejudices 860 01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:59.480 of Adolf Hitlers policy. He's like well pretty much every 861 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:04.840 German executive, whether they're talking about you know, Carl Luger, 862 01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:07.800 the mayor of hal for post Hafs for Vienna, whether 863 01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:12.119 you're talking about Bismarck or you're talking about Heindenburg. Like, 864 01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:13.880 none of these people could have been said to have 865 01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:17.920 like have like liked Jews or like not dislike Jews. Categorically, 866 01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:21.840 the idea there's some weird thing in policy terms that 867 01:06:21.880 --> 01:06:24.280 people hadn't heard before but all deeply felt that doesn't 868 01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:30.519 make any sense. And secondly, again that's just not because 869 01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:35.880 racism isn't isn't that's not, that's not that's not an explanation, 870 01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:39.360 and that's just that's just not how politics are conducted. 871 01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:43.599 And finally, as I've said before, some of this is 872 01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:50.880 deliberately misconstrued. It it's because people are remote enough from 873 01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:54.800 the epoch they don't really understand this. The Germans weren't 874 01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:57.559 obsessed with race in a way that other people weren't. 875 01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:02.480 Germans talking about Jews, is this race that's different than them. 876 01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:06.119 That's the way everybody thought, like, not necessarily about Jews, 877 01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:08.760 but that's the way they thought about human behavior. You know, 878 01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:12.400 human behavior is biological, if you want to understand you know, 879 01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:17.440 political behavior, it's racial. You know, what makes it possible 880 01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:19.519 where people live among each other is this kind of 881 01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:24.760 like blood compatibility. You know. So, oh, obviously there's tension 882 01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:27.800 between Germans and Jews, or between Poles and Jews, or 883 01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.920 Poles and Russians because they're different races. That's what they meant. 884 01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:35.400 They weren't saying Jews are this evil race that's different 885 01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:38.920 than us because we're obsessed with race and we figured 886 01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:41.239 this all out. That's the way everybody talked. That's the 887 01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:43.960 way everybody thought, and that doesn't make any sense. And 888 01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:46.119 that's weird. Like I'm not saying it's not racial difference 889 01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:48.519 between people. I'm saying in those terms, that's not the 890 01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:51.400 way people think about politics anymore. That's the way everybody 891 01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:54.360 thought about politics in the nineteen twenties, thirties and forties. 892 01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:58.920 America was singly obsessed with this idea that you know, 893 01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:05.119 eugenics could had selective intervention, whether it's sterilizing people who 894 01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:08.920 are deemed to be criminal incorrigibles or whether it was 895 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:13.559 you know, facilitating you know, large families among high IQ people. 896 01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:16.079 The people weren advanced that this is gonna usher into 897 01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:21.800 some utopia. Okay, So that's not an explanation to say 898 01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:23.680 that like, oh, Germans had race on the brain and 899 01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:25.720 just decided they didn't like Jews because they were an 900 01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:28.000 impure race or something. That's totally the wrong way to 901 01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:29.720 look at it. Like you can say that that kind 902 01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:32.600 of thinking is bullshit and it's and it's nonsense. But 903 01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:36.199 to characterize it as like evil German thought or some 904 01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:40.119 crazy thing German people thought, you know, that was exclusive 905 01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:43.920 to their cultural pathologies or something, that's complete nonsense. 906 01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:48.960 So there's that too, and it's it survived. I mean 907 01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:52.760 you see it today with this whole candae Owan's Daily 908 01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:56.000 Wire thing. Yeah. You even have people who you never 909 01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:59.439 would have thought come out and say things like the 910 01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:02.079 cause of anti Semitism is Jewish behavior. 911 01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:06.920 Yeah yeah, yeah, the term itself too, Like why what 912 01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:11.960 so there's tension between Germans and Jews because because Germans 913 01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:13.920 hate Semitism? Like what what do they mean mean? Like 914 01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:16.199 what the fuck is Semitism? You know, Like that's like 915 01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:20.760 saying that's like saying like, yeah, you know the Koreans 916 01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:24.359 and the Chinese, are they they dislike each other because 917 01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:28.800 of epicantic follism, Like I mean that doesn't like, uh, 918 01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:33.520 it suggests that there's some immutable trait, like unrelated to politics, 919 01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:39.439 that that people just you know, somehow decided that it's 920 01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:41.840 a basis for animosity and like it's not. That's not 921 01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:45.880 the way things work, you know. That's why that's why 922 01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:49.800 I discourage people from using that term. Like anti Semitism 923 01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:52.159 is even moremaningless than racism. I mean, at least like 924 01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:55.399 at least canna say like I mean, race obviously exists, 925 01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:59.439 and it's conceivable that, like you know, there's people who, 926 01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:03.399 for no regular reason, you know, just have certain preferences 927 01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:06.399 and prejudices, you know, and because race isn't is an 928 01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:09.880 essentially and characteristic and we're talking about humans, like that 929 01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:14.279 makes sense, Like you know, Pep Germans just opposed Semitism. 930 01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:17.800 But the best is that Palestinians are anti Semitic, so 931 01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:21.640 like they're anti themselves. I mean, like like what it's 932 01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:34.720 it's it's literally retarded. But anyway, but Noulty Nolty was 933 01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:37.199 basically I mean I think he was. He was a 934 01:10:37.239 --> 01:10:40.720 remarkable guy. I mean that goes out saying and he 935 01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:44.560 had a far more he had a far greater aptitude 936 01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:49.800 for analysis of the historical process than than most people 937 01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:56.840 even even kind of who are of his class and caliber. 938 01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:06.560 But his view of Germany's sort of tragedy and heritage, 939 01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:09.359 that's that's basically like a right, hey, alien view. It's 940 01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:14.560 not it's not this like aut landish thing. And one 941 01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:16.800 of the reasons why he was so sort of savagely 942 01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:22.159 excoriated by his enemies, you know, the degree to which 943 01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:26.960 legal reasoning becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. And I invoke 944 01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:28.920 Alan went to Holmes a lot who I think I'll 945 01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:30.319 went to Homes Junior. I think a lot of people 946 01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:33.000 want to read because I like, maybe it's because I 947 01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:36.720 was a lawyer, and like a I spent a lot 948 01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:40.840 of time with legal theory and case law and things. 949 01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:43.760 People have this idea that home Junior is like this 950 01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:47.199 big liberal or something like. You know, Holmes point out 951 01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:49.399 legal realism is that it's no such thing, and that 952 01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:52.399 the law is not a science. It's not this process 953 01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:55.079 by which you know, a kind of like science and 954 01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:59.800 ethics can be discovered or by which you know, outcomes 955 01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:02.960 can be guaranteed that on a long enough timeline or 956 01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:09.239 assuming good faith among actors potential actors to to the 957 01:12:09.319 --> 01:12:13.960 controversy at bar, you know, the best possible outcomes for 958 01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:16.680 all parties can be realized. His whole point was that 959 01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:21.079 all the law is as political preferences that are totally arbitrary. 960 01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:24.119 And then he give an epoch, you know, dressed up 961 01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:28.840 as as some sort of some sort of logical like like, 962 01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:31.760 as some sort of imperative base on a science of logic, 963 01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:41.000 and that's complete horseship. And because world order was so 964 01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:49.279 much structured according to the letter of according to not 965 01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:51.239 just not just not just a letter of rhetoric, but 966 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:57.279 to but like legitimacy was so much bound up with language, 967 01:12:57.680 --> 01:13:07.600 you know, laid down by supposedly by supposedly objective international tribunals. 968 01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:11.479 First Forrest Nuremberger, this idea that oh, this, this, this 969 01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:14.920 is just an absolute truth. You know that well obviously 970 01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:17.079 you know, there was there was this, there's this massive 971 01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:21.199 conspiracy to murdered Jewish people for no reason, perhaps in 972 01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:24.119 nineteen twenty three. By this, by this criminal cadre, I 973 01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:27.079 mean that the court said, so, you know, and if 974 01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:33.119 they're gonna base, if we're gonna base, what succeeded the 975 01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:41.680 moral consensus as regarded war in peace on what amounts 976 01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.640 to an ideological statement dressed up as a criminal court 977 01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:50.000 decision that kind of tortured logic and and and sort 978 01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:52.279 of like non reasoning is is going to take on 979 01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:57.800 this outside significance. So that's part of it, you know, 980 01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:05.840 so pointing out obvious and not so obvious but troubling 981 01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:08.399 facts of history related to the reality of you know, 982 01:14:08.479 --> 01:14:12.800 kind of the anthropological and sociological origins of conflict at scale. 983 01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:18.640 This is like outraged people because you know, they like 984 01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:23.199 the like the simpletons kind of intellectual sanctuary is always legalism, 985 01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:28.920 you know. And I made that point too that by 986 01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:35.760 by the time uh, strategic parody had set in, I 987 01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:40.000 mean even beforehand, probably by the time the Single Integrated 988 01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:45.920 Operation Plan, which is America's strategic war fighting doctrine, I mean, 989 01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:48.720 by the time like that just became openly accepted that 990 01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:51.760 the fighting win a nuclear war, We're gonna kill eighty 991 01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:55.279 million people. I mean, like you know, you no longer 992 01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:58.159 can talk about, you know, you know what we're gonna 993 01:14:58.159 --> 01:15:02.159 invoke this kind of foam moral out age or anything 994 01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:03.880 that went on in World War two, and you you 995 01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:10.159 certainly can't declare that, you know that men who devise 996 01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:15.680 the technologies of mega death or who implement them at 997 01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:20.600 scale and executive capacities, or are somehow the end music humanity. 998 01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:22.720 I mean it like nobody, even even though that child 999 01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:26.319 can see like why that's ridiculous. But but that's why 1000 01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:29.319 that that that that was the context, and that's the 1001 01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:37.439 inner thing today too, because people still try to tear down, know, 1002 01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:43.960 these postulates, but they increasingly they can't do it. I mean, 1003 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:47.239 first of all, I mean there's just people an acting 1004 01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:50.039 beam are just lacking and then they're not built for it. 1005 01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:52.760 But there also there's not like really a context anymore, 1006 01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:55.880 you know, like they can't there's like without the without 1007 01:15:55.920 --> 01:16:00.760 sort of the Cold War, you know, not just as 1008 01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:05.279 an existential sort of reality around which things just orbit, 1009 01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:09.640 you know, politically and sociologically in existential terms. You know, 1010 01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:13.319 there's not there's not the contextual focus in order to 1011 01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:19.960 kind of provide people with ethical like like ontological sort 1012 01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:23.279 of pull stars is where like the situate themselves are 1013 01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:28.800 like what the starting point should be for for such 1014 01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:32.680 a discussion. But some thing I wanted to get into 1015 01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:44.720 a little bit too, is uh, you know, the the 1016 01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:48.560 historians who did who were basically viewed as as sympathetic 1017 01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:55.520 to the Bundesa as ah like as an institution and 1018 01:16:55.720 --> 01:17:02.319 it's it's political and military mission. These were guys, i'd say, 1019 01:17:02.359 --> 01:17:04.479 a guy who kind of most exemplified that position with 1020 01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:07.520 Jachham fest And it shows you how sort of like 1021 01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:15.439 perverted discourse had become and remains. All thankully, it's not 1022 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:18.880 quite as bad around the issue with Germany and German 1023 01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:24.760 the German historical experience. Like Festu, his father was this 1024 01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:30.079 was this anti government extremist in the Third Reich. Best 1025 01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:33.479 actually he either served in the Vermont to the vass 1026 01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:36.000 in the finalized of the war, which I think is 1027 01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:40.199 quite heroic, but he hid this fact until the day 1028 01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:45.760 he died. He was this big anti fascist. He was 1029 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:49.640 definitely a proponent of the sunder veg or a special 1030 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:58.760 way or special path theory of German historical development. But 1031 01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:04.479 he also acknowledged that the German people were facing oblivion, 1032 01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:14.279 not just psychologically and culturally, but biologically. He was very 1033 01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:19.800 anti Soviet. You know, when he cast he said Hitler 1034 01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:24.119 basically was almost like a shamanistic sort of figure who 1035 01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:28.039 reflected the will of the body politic. You know, he 1036 01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:34.199 wasn't simply leading people at stray or something. That's a 1037 01:18:34.279 --> 01:18:39.880 pretty weak argument and a Milk Coast argument, but like 1038 01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:41.920 that was considered to be this kind of like extreme 1039 01:18:42.039 --> 01:18:44.960 apologia or like some sort of like a hard right 1040 01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:50.800 dangerous idea I mean, which which is totally insane. A. J. P. Taylor, 1041 01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:54.000 He's another guy who's and he's well worth reading. He's 1042 01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:58.560 a typical kind of German hating Englishman of the epoch. 1043 01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:01.279 He's got this irrational house stility to all to Germany, 1044 01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:06.359 all into German. But his take was that, you know, 1045 01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:09.079 Churchill brought the war in the West out upon himself 1046 01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:14.079 and upon his country. Why on earth did Germans want 1047 01:19:14.119 --> 01:19:16.239 a war in the West, which obviously they didn't. I mean, 1048 01:19:16.319 --> 01:19:19.199 the fact that that was used is some sort of 1049 01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:25.439 minority take is absurd too. But his uh, he had 1050 01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:31.279 a unique kind of or he had him rather ye 1051 01:19:31.279 --> 01:19:33.000 had him, and he hit his own kind of disgree 1052 01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:39.960 understanding of Saunder vague and that it was there was 1053 01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:48.600 a unique German trajectory in the modern era that became 1054 01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:53.720 aggravated in earnest after eighteen forty eight and particularly after 1055 01:19:53.840 --> 01:20:00.439 unification in eighteen seventy nine. But that you know, Hitler 1056 01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:04.079 geostrategic terms, acted like any other German executive, would you know. 1057 01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:05.960 And again he had a computative view of the Germans 1058 01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:09.760 as a people. But he completely rejected this idea that 1059 01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:12.119 you know, Hitler was this evil mad man and and 1060 01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:16.760 just some kind of some kind of outlier. And interestingly, 1061 01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:21.800 one of the one of the one of the contributors 1062 01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:26.039 was then pretty I think it was. I think it was. 1063 01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:26.359 Uh. 1064 01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:30.800 I can'tmemer his name, the guy with two thousand and 1065 01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:33.600 eight he wrote a pretty he wrote, uh, he wrote 1066 01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:38.439 a very good biography of Vladimir Putin, which of course 1067 01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:42.039 was like, you know, it was like hysterically, it was 1068 01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:47.279 hysterically attacked by these people who see Russians under their 1069 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:49.920 bed and and think that Vladimir Putin is an evil 1070 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:54.239 mad man for not inviting NATO to point nuclear weapons 1071 01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:56.960 at him into cavitation range. But I I can't remeber 1072 01:20:56.960 --> 01:20:57.680 the guy's name. 1073 01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:00.760 Doctor Matthew Fael Johnson. 1074 01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:03.359 What's that was it? 1075 01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:04.600 Doctor Matthew Rafael. 1076 01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:12.960 He's a German guy. And he he was what the 1077 01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:19.079 historic historic Astrikee in total constituted about like two dosand 1078 01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:21.720 academics like on the right or the left, Nolty and 1079 01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:26.920 Harid Moss, like Petra harrimoas with a primary kind of 1080 01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:32.399 theorists that people associate with it. But there's a lot 1081 01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:34.680 of people and some pretty diverse opinions forward it. But 1082 01:21:35.079 --> 01:21:42.880 this guy's name will come to me. But the if 1083 01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:45.960 the there's something of a korma guys to Fritz Fisher 1084 01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:59.239 among them. He uh, he had a a functionalist viewpoint 1085 01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:04.319 of things, and this was in vogue based with like neorealism, 1086 01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:09.840 you know, like traditional realism, real politique, and besides anthropological 1087 01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:15.840 and organic you know, causes of conflict and of state 1088 01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:23.600 behavior in human behavior at scale, you know, really from 1089 01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:26.720 the sixties onward, it became in vogue, uh, you know, 1090 01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:30.960 talking about institutional behavior, you know how you know, structural 1091 01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:39.479 phenomenon and alternatively and sometimes concominantly functionalist explanations you know, 1092 01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:47.000 are you know, reveal revealed data, meaningful data about you know, 1093 01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:50.800 war and peace, but also you know political behavior scale, 1094 01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:53.000 you know, and and of course too that. 1095 01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:56.199 That that that. 1096 01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:02.479 That shares some common ground with some of these moderate 1097 01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:04.520 left to Galiens and things, but in other ways, you know, 1098 01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:08.039 they objected to that too, So it's some interesting there 1099 01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:10.319 was some interesting opinions being bandied back and forth. But 1100 01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:17.000 what the reason it became this censorious controversy was for 1101 01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:21.920 all the wrong and most predictable reasons, you know it 1102 01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:30.000 and obviously any any any any German truly right wing, 1103 01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:34.479 you know, not even particularly pro nacial socialists, but remotely 1104 01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:38.399 patriotic or unwilling to kind of take a knee before 1105 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:42.439 you know, proverbialated before you know, NATO and Zionist and 1106 01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:45.279 interest in the things they're going to view the sounder 1107 01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:48.159 of a conception as well as you know, the the 1108 01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:53.720 functionalist explanations as it's basically you know, left wing and 1109 01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:58.640 nature and and and intrinsically cunative, which they were, you know, 1110 01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:02.319 but it's also again, you know, by the by the 1111 01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:05.560 mid nineteen eighties, you know, you're talking about four decades 1112 01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:09.640 having passed. Even if even if the Third Reich had 1113 01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:13.079 been this totally brutish regime, and even if even if 1114 01:24:13.279 --> 01:24:16.560 it's fewer had been you know, the second Coming of 1115 01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:20.560 Dracula or something, it's like, well again you know, if 1116 01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:24.399 you're expecting us, us being us being the German people, 1117 01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:27.640 you know, to take a million dead in seventy two hours, 1118 01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:31.840 you know, fighting off the Ivans, and you expect our land, 1119 01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:34.680 which you know, for the record, has been occupied now 1120 01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:38.920 for forty years. It's the designated nuclear battlefield of World 1121 01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:42.079 War three. You know, see what you want, you want 1122 01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:43.760 it's basically be you know, like kind of the holy 1123 01:24:43.880 --> 01:24:47.920 warriors of of what you considered civilization is communism. But 1124 01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:49.239 then you're gonna turn on and say that, you know, 1125 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:52.840 we're evil pieces of shit like that doesn't that that 1126 01:24:52.920 --> 01:25:02.279 doesn't treat you know, But it's also I think uh 1127 01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:08.960 and Nola himself made this point, you know, as I 1128 01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:10.720 get a lot of hate mail for a lot of reasons, 1129 01:25:11.439 --> 01:25:15.279 and a lot of which surprisingly relates to the Vietnam War. 1130 01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:18.199 I think American issupposedly an older American is they feel 1131 01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:20.239 they got they got strong emotions bound up with this. 1132 01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:24.520 And I understand that I invote the Vietnam War for 1133 01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:29.680 comparative purposes, not not not for some cynical reason, but 1134 01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:32.119 for the reason Nolty did. If you want to understand, 1135 01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:38.800 in the ethical terms set out by the victors in 1136 01:25:38.840 --> 01:25:43.560 World War Two and by their their ethical metrics and 1137 01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:47.199 by what was considered until the end of the Westphalian 1138 01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:51.039 era to be you know, the moral consensus relating the 1139 01:25:51.119 --> 01:25:55.119 laws and customs of war. The Vietnam War made us, 1140 01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:57.760 it made hash with that all those things as much 1141 01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:00.399 as the Second World War did. And the entire internal 1142 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:03.039 logic of a free fire zone is not any different 1143 01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:09.840 than that of the mandate of of an mindset's group 1144 01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:16.880 and formation saying that, you know, designating an area a 1145 01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:20.079 free fire zone, and saying that there are no civilians here, 1146 01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:23.840 and regardless of age, sex, overall health, everybody is a 1147 01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:27.920 fair target. Because anybody who remains here after this, you know, 1148 01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:30.960 they've been put on notice and give an opportunity to 1149 01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:36.520 be evacuated, is obviously, you know, an act in communist 1150 01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:42.079 or a sympathizer with the enemy idea. And because you know, 1151 01:26:42.399 --> 01:26:47.039 as the mentioned material that is literally the what you know, 1152 01:26:47.119 --> 01:26:49.840 the bearer of that idea, it's got to be annihilated. 1153 01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:56.199 It being human beings. Welcome to the Welcome to warfare 1154 01:26:56.239 --> 01:27:01.000 of the twentieth century, where all wars are a total wars, 1155 01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:06.560 and all total wars are ideological wars. You know, so 1156 01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:12.560 when you've got every week America dropping you know, the 1157 01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:17.760 body count as their victory metric, like literally measuring measuring 1158 01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:20.199 whether we're winning the Cold War where it's gone hot 1159 01:27:20.399 --> 01:27:24.279 and mountains of corpses we're counting, you know, when the 1160 01:27:24.359 --> 01:27:26.760 victory metric and nuclear war is can we kill an 1161 01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:30.880 enemy society, you know, by annihilating eighty million of its people, 1162 01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:39.520 when you've got the Chinese, who after sixty eight, according 1163 01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:41.880 to a lot of these same academics, we're doing things 1164 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:45.079 like breaking nolity of the cols. This was you know, 1165 01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:47.840 kind of the true progressive regime that was, you know, 1166 01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:53.680 realizing communism. They were deliberately killing off tens of millions 1167 01:27:53.680 --> 01:27:57.520 of their own people as useless eaters. Okay, you can't. 1168 01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:00.640 It's as laughable to turn around and and start and 1169 01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:07.000 started and start spitting like number lies or trying to 1170 01:28:07.079 --> 01:28:10.159 declare that, you know, yes, the world is a wicked 1171 01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:14.520 place and and war is terrible. But you know those Germans, 1172 01:28:14.600 --> 01:28:19.560 you know, they're they're they're just you know, they're they're 1173 01:28:19.600 --> 01:28:21.520 they're just in league with Lucifer, and you know we 1174 01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:26.520 we can never forgive them for this. So I mean, 1175 01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:29.359 I think it was all of those things. You know, 1176 01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:34.680 now that doesn't that's that's not to say that, I mean, obviously, 1177 01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:40.880 that's not to say that what sort of political biases, 1178 01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:44.000 you know, gain momentum and and and become like consensus, 1179 01:28:44.359 --> 01:28:50.199 consensus reality and in conceptual terms as has any kind 1180 01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:54.600 of bearing on unreasonable things or or reasonable ass itself 1181 01:28:54.760 --> 01:28:57.520 or anything like that. But you know, we're not. We 1182 01:28:57.560 --> 01:29:00.399 weren't talking about you know, some sort of are between 1183 01:29:00.399 --> 01:29:03.000 the hoy ploye or we weren't talking about some policy 1184 01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:06.279 initiative that like the official trying to convince people of 1185 01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:10.159 through television media or something. We're talking. We were talking. 1186 01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:14.119 This was a very that this was an argument between 1187 01:29:14.359 --> 01:29:18.359 and this was like a controversy between you know, like 1188 01:29:18.399 --> 01:29:24.039 a very narrow quartery coterie of academics who, you know, 1189 01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:28.119 all of whom knew better than what they were alleging 1190 01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:35.159 those contract multi I mean, so that's important. That's important 1191 01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:40.800 to keep in mind. And I'll also say, and I 1192 01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:46.560 actually wrote them. I wrote about this, and I I 1193 01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:54.479 wasn't jumping around a bit, but uh, just I mean 1194 01:29:54.520 --> 01:29:58.119 for clarity too. Here's here's what these are. The four 1195 01:29:58.279 --> 01:30:02.840 questions are the four like, how is according to according 1196 01:30:02.840 --> 01:30:05.079 to Nolty himself as well as Harber Moss, and according 1197 01:30:05.119 --> 01:30:10.479 to according to the people who populated most of these forums, 1198 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:13.720 were these these debates are being had between you know, 1199 01:30:13.800 --> 01:30:16.119 eighty four, eighty five and like eighty nine, it was 1200 01:30:19.680 --> 01:30:22.680 were the were the crimes of the Third Reich uniquely 1201 01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:31.560 evil or were they comparable, you know, to the scaled 1202 01:30:31.640 --> 01:30:37.199 violence of the Soviet Union other communist countries. Secondly, what 1203 01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:39.920 is sounder vague a meaningful concept at all? 1204 01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:40.520 Okay? 1205 01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:45.199 Was the violence of the Third Reich or crimes if 1206 01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:54.119 you want to abide Nuremberg logic, a reaction you know, 1207 01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:58.720 to the Soviet violence like an equal and opposing reaction, okay. 1208 01:30:59.760 --> 01:31:02.520 And and finally, you know, should the Germans, like as 1209 01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:04.800 a people or as like a national group, like bear 1210 01:31:04.960 --> 01:31:08.720 some some some generational burdening guilt, you know, for the 1211 01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:14.760 supposed national socialist crimes or or should they be permitted 1212 01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:17.680 you know, to participation in some sort of you know, 1213 01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:23.399 cultural and national life. And that really I mean regardless, 1214 01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:26.319 like even if one accepts the kind of however preposterous. 1215 01:31:28.359 --> 01:31:39.199 The yeah, the aforementioned postules this idea, that this this 1216 01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:43.720 idea that conflicts that are global in scale, can just 1217 01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:47.159 be caused by you know, some national group of bad actors. 1218 01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:49.439 I mean, that's that's the way a child would think, 1219 01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:51.600 you know. I mean, that's just it's on his face, 1220 01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:54.680 that's just that's just incredibly stupid, you know. And I 1221 01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:57.920 emphasize that again and again, like it's not even you know, 1222 01:31:58.079 --> 01:32:01.640 just not that. That's not a serious people or irrational 1223 01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:06.319 adults talk about historical cause and effect or or or 1224 01:32:06.439 --> 01:32:13.680 discuss political concepts, you know, whether you know with practice 1225 01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:17.640 or or you know, matters of pure theory such as 1226 01:32:17.680 --> 01:32:25.359 pure theory can exist in uh in in in discussion 1227 01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:28.159 of politics. But you know, Nolty, one of the reason 1228 01:32:28.159 --> 01:32:32.199 I respected him, is he or one of the reasons 1229 01:32:32.239 --> 01:32:34.600 I he got my attention initially. I mean it was 1230 01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:37.840 like pre internet talking, even before I became a lawyer. 1231 01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:45.520 I put a lot of stock in direct testimony and 1232 01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:52.039 discrete psychological aspects of within, you know, the mind of 1233 01:32:52.920 --> 01:32:59.039 the key decision makers. And you know, Nulty cited Hitler's 1234 01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:03.119 table talk, you know, where Hitler would talk about repeatedly 1235 01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:06.640 the rat cage torture, you know, and saying in the 1236 01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:08.800 context of you know, this is what the communists do 1237 01:33:08.920 --> 01:33:13.239 to people, and you know, also talking about his own fate. 1238 01:33:13.359 --> 01:33:15.479 You know, I'm not I'm not gonna the communists capture 1239 01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:19.720 me and and subject me to the rat cage torture. Now, 1240 01:33:20.279 --> 01:33:22.560 people like Harrimas said, oh, this is absurd, This was 1241 01:33:22.680 --> 01:33:25.880 this is just Hitler suggesting that you know that you 1242 01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:28.359 dave a bullsheit again to me that apparently, you know, 1243 01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:31.119 going to be like Harvard must existed only in Hitler's imagination. 1244 01:33:31.920 --> 01:33:36.199 We're prone to these barbaric acts. But the Soviets actually 1245 01:33:36.279 --> 01:33:40.399 did that. You know people, or well I assume college 1246 01:33:40.479 --> 01:33:43.319 kids will still read. That's quite literally a plot, like 1247 01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:46.560 a major plot point of nineteen eighty four. You know, 1248 01:33:47.119 --> 01:33:54.039 Smith sells out Julia and and his comrades, and what 1249 01:33:54.199 --> 01:33:58.600 breaks his mind is that O'Brien threatens to ratcage him. 1250 01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:01.560 You know, it's this idea that is this something that 1251 01:34:01.760 --> 01:34:04.359 Hitler made up or it was you know, the sort 1252 01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:08.000 of fever dreams of a madman. I mean, that's the 1253 01:34:08.199 --> 01:34:11.039 entire point of doing things like the rad cage torture. 1254 01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:12.680 You do you do something like that for one of 1255 01:34:12.760 --> 01:34:16.199 two reasons. Either you're a disgusting status who likes to 1256 01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:20.880 torture people, or you're devising things that are so terrifying 1257 01:34:21.399 --> 01:34:26.159 to the human being kind of universally regardless of you know, sex, 1258 01:34:26.319 --> 01:34:32.600 or background or national or like ethnic psychology. Like you 1259 01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:35.960 divide things that are so horrible to human beings that 1260 01:34:37.159 --> 01:34:42.199 you know people instinctively will will kind of bend to 1261 01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:47.039 your will. And obviously you publicize those things to terrify 1262 01:34:47.159 --> 01:34:50.640 people at scale, Like that was the whole point, you know. 1263 01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:57.039 And it's this idea that you know, and Robert Conquest, 1264 01:34:57.399 --> 01:35:01.399 who I'm relying a lot upon for my own writing 1265 01:35:01.479 --> 01:35:07.079 on this topic. You know, the Soviet Union had death 1266 01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:11.079 camps decades before a shot was fired in World War Two. 1267 01:35:11.880 --> 01:35:14.359 You know, they they annihilated ten million of their own 1268 01:35:14.399 --> 01:35:19.319 people as of September third, nineteen thirty nine. I mean, 1269 01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:22.479 like what you can't get away from this and the 1270 01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:25.640 idea that, oh, well Hitler couldn't have known about that, 1271 01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:32.760 that's nonsense. You know. On my own sub stack, I 1272 01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:38.880 wrote about max On shooting or Richter he fell at 1273 01:35:40.600 --> 01:35:45.479 at the Munich Pooch like he he'd actually when the 1274 01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:50.399 National Soldialist charged the police court On He'd locked arms 1275 01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:56.079 with a Hitler and uh he got shot and he 1276 01:35:56.199 --> 01:35:59.399 died instantly, like his his heart got pierced. And when 1277 01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:03.640 Richter f well, he had actually dislocated Hitler's shoulder. And 1278 01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:08.079 Hitler later said he said Richter was the He's like, 1279 01:36:08.119 --> 01:36:10.239 he's the only man we couldn't afford to lose at 1280 01:36:11.439 --> 01:36:13.239 at Munich. You know, he's like our party, the party 1281 01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:14.159 like never recovered. 1282 01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:15.640 Now. 1283 01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:19.279 I wrote a whole series on Richter because here's where 1284 01:36:19.359 --> 01:36:23.560 there's background was he was a Baltic German like Rosenberg, okay, 1285 01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:26.800 and the Baltic Germans instrumentally kind of shaping the early 1286 01:36:27.039 --> 01:36:30.319 like for the post Drexler Party, the post Drexler but 1287 01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:38.760 pre but pre uh electoral path National Socialist Party Okay, 1288 01:36:39.079 --> 01:36:40.960 when it was still in a very revolutionary phase. But 1289 01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:44.680 but a phase that nonetheless was was was being shaped 1290 01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:50.279 by Hitler, you know, Doc. Finally he was a free 1291 01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:54.399 Corps veteran who you know, been fighting, you've been fighting 1292 01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:59.640 the communists and in the Baltic but he also he 1293 01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:07.039 was a aristocrat of somewhere known he was in uh Turkey. 1294 01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:10.920 When you're meetings, when you're meeting genicide jumped off and 1295 01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:13.199 the way the world came to know of it was 1296 01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:20.640 Richter was issuing these dispatches back to Berlin from the 1297 01:37:20.760 --> 01:37:27.000 German diplomatic mission, and the Kaiser's representative finally said, you 1298 01:37:27.079 --> 01:37:30.439 got to stop doing this. You know, we need we 1299 01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:33.560 need to try and get these people, these people being 1300 01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:37.439 the terms like back in the war and whatever whatever 1301 01:37:37.560 --> 01:37:40.319 government succeeds assault in it, we've got to have good 1302 01:37:40.359 --> 01:37:43.600 offices with them. But so Richter went to the Red 1303 01:37:43.680 --> 01:37:47.880 Cross and he started publicizing what he was seeing to 1304 01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:51.800 anybody who would listen. And he was directly responsible for 1305 01:37:51.960 --> 01:37:57.560 him to rescue a lot of vulnerable persons among this population, 1306 01:37:57.720 --> 01:38:00.920 the targeted people, you know, like women, elderly, little children. 1307 01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:07.239 So the Nanstolls, this party, supposedly the only reason it convened, 1308 01:38:08.359 --> 01:38:11.199 the only reason to constituted itself, The only reason to 1309 01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:15.600 guys like Richter clicked up with Hitler was because they 1310 01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:19.279 were racists who wanted to devise a criminal conspiracy to 1311 01:38:19.399 --> 01:38:23.760 murder Jews. But Richter, like he spent his spare time 1312 01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:27.479 like worrying about ethnic cleansing. I mean, like what was 1313 01:38:27.520 --> 01:38:29.439 you there just for show? Like they just really really 1314 01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:32.800 like Turkish people, Like I don't, I mean, it doesn't track, 1315 01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:40.239 like none of the tracks, you know, and that's what's important, okay, 1316 01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:43.640 is that's what the big lie is. You know, the 1317 01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:46.800 big lie is about stuff like Sunderbag. It's about stuff 1318 01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:49.840 like you know, making Adolf Hitler some sort of stand 1319 01:38:49.880 --> 01:38:52.600 in for Lucifer and this like secular religion, is this 1320 01:38:52.760 --> 01:38:58.439 idea that the Germans, unlike every you know, exclusive to 1321 01:38:58.479 --> 01:39:01.399 themselves and like everybody else on this planet, where's obsessed 1322 01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:04.159 with race and originally decided Jews or a bad race. 1323 01:39:05.159 --> 01:39:10.600 Like that's what matters. Instrumentalities of homicide don't matter, Like 1324 01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:13.279 arguing about like did four million people die? You're eight 1325 01:39:13.359 --> 01:39:16.600 million people die? That's I mean that that's that's literally demented. 1326 01:39:16.640 --> 01:39:22.479 It's also retarded, you know, I mean decides even if 1327 01:39:22.520 --> 01:39:25.399 that is, even if that is something that people I mean, 1328 01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:27.520 people can reacharch anything want, but I mean, if that 1329 01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:30.880 is kind of like your your emphasis. You should be 1330 01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:36.920 reading people like conquests. You should be reading about the 1331 01:39:37.039 --> 01:39:40.279 logic of the free fire zone in the Vietnam conflict. 1332 01:39:40.359 --> 01:39:45.600 You should be reading about, you know, the Soviet death 1333 01:39:45.680 --> 01:39:52.880 camp system. You know, and like Nolty himself said, if 1334 01:39:52.920 --> 01:39:57.920 you accept, if you accept everything alleged by court history 1335 01:39:58.399 --> 01:40:02.279 in total including this idea of you know, homicidal gas chambers. 1336 01:40:03.079 --> 01:40:06.119 The Soviet Union literally did everything that the Third Reich 1337 01:40:06.199 --> 01:40:09.439 allegedly did, you know, a decade beforehand, with the possible 1338 01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:14.000 exception of utilizing nerve gases scale, which I hardly think matters. 1339 01:40:14.039 --> 01:40:16.239 If I'm not saying doesn't matter if people die. I'm saying, 1340 01:40:16.279 --> 01:40:19.520 you know that what we're talking about, you know, the 1341 01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:27.359 preferred instrumentality of of of murderers scale. You know, we're 1342 01:40:27.399 --> 01:40:29.880 not talking about something of grand like substance of import 1343 01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:34.119 you know. So a lot of people are a lot 1344 01:40:34.159 --> 01:40:37.079 of people are just kind of like tripping over themselves, 1345 01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:40.920 not just by allowing the opposition to defind the parameters 1346 01:40:40.960 --> 01:40:44.199 at discourse, but also define like what is important. You know. 1347 01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:51.079 So it's like you don't court historians and people sympathetic 1348 01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:53.800 to Zionism or whatever, or people that have some kind 1349 01:40:53.840 --> 01:40:58.920 of like peculiar fixation with this idea that Third Reich 1350 01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:01.239 is the epitome of you. They don't get to decide, 1351 01:41:01.279 --> 01:41:05.119 you know, what is what what the terms of discourse are. 1352 01:41:05.159 --> 01:41:07.279 They don't get to decide what the parameters are of 1353 01:41:08.960 --> 01:41:10.720 of research. They don't get to decide, you know, what 1354 01:41:10.880 --> 01:41:13.439 needs to be proved or rebutted, you know, as if 1355 01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:16.239 they're you know, they're like like a judge in a 1356 01:41:17.159 --> 01:41:19.600 in a in a case at bar or something, you know, 1357 01:41:20.399 --> 01:41:24.279 dictating the what against you know, what the what their 1358 01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:31.039 respective burdens are and things like that. That the uh. 1359 01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:39.600 And it's also I mean what at the end of 1360 01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:44.000 the day at uh, you know, and ultimate at this 1361 01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:47.239 point too, at the end of the day, like the 1362 01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:52.159 past becomes the past at some point, you know. I mean, 1363 01:41:52.239 --> 01:41:55.199 I this is all I do. Is is study playable 1364 01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:59.880 theory and you know, the historical process and things and 1365 01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:03.840 is you know, it's and so I mean, I'm the 1366 01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:06.119 last person obviously would say like, oh, you know, it's 1367 01:42:07.079 --> 01:42:09.880 studying the struggle pross doesn't matter. But it's idea that 1368 01:42:10.840 --> 01:42:16.880 even if, even if truly horrible things occur, that they 1369 01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:21.520 can't be justified by any exigency or by any appeal 1370 01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:23.680 to anything other than you know, the kind of universal 1371 01:42:23.720 --> 01:42:26.439 depravity of man. I mean, it's kind of a so 1372 01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:30.000 what I mean, we we don't we don't spend we 1373 01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:32.600 don't spend decades of centuries wring our hands because we 1374 01:42:32.720 --> 01:42:35.079 inherited some guilt because people are bad. You know or 1375 01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:38.680 or our ancestors are bad. That's just not, that's not 1376 01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:40.760 the way we do things in the West, among other things, 1377 01:42:41.239 --> 01:42:45.800 you know. I mean, yeah, obviously an underpentent sinner is 1378 01:42:47.119 --> 01:42:49.720 there's a few things kind of more obtuse and ugly 1379 01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:53.079 than that. But you know, one sin isn't greater than 1380 01:42:53.079 --> 01:42:56.359 another sin or less than another. You know, it's just 1381 01:42:56.479 --> 01:42:59.000 not that's a bizarre way to look at the world, 1382 01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:03.760 as if you know, some sins are worse than others, 1383 01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:07.880 some historical events or criminal offenses. Others are just you know, 1384 01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:13.359 spontaneous occurrences, and certain ones you inherit a kind of 1385 01:43:14.199 --> 01:43:17.319 liability for them that you have to atone for symbolically 1386 01:43:17.439 --> 01:43:23.319 or ritually. Like that's that's that's really really really strange conceptually, 1387 01:43:24.359 --> 01:43:26.479 you know, And I put it. I put that to 1388 01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:30.840 people too, like even if even if even if these 1389 01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:33.800 people I have rams or are these people like kind 1390 01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:40.319 of poor little unfortunate w Lipstott, He's he's incredibly stupid. 1391 01:43:40.359 --> 01:43:43.880 I mean, having ussel isn't stupid, but I mean she is, yea, 1392 01:43:43.960 --> 01:43:45.640 even if other things she said was true, I mean, 1393 01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:47.880 it'd be kind of a big so what you know, 1394 01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:51.199 I mean, am I so jump off a building because 1395 01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:55.800 my answers just did bad things. I should I should 1396 01:43:55.800 --> 01:43:58.000 I wear a hair shirt, might go to sleep or something? 1397 01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:00.359 Or should I should I get like half of my 1398 01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:03.520 money is a teeth like the local synagogue. Like I 1399 01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:08.159 don't what executive people want, you know, But I'm not. 1400 01:44:08.239 --> 01:44:09.720 I'm not just being up to so I can actually 1401 01:44:09.720 --> 01:44:10.960 put this to people and they will get me like 1402 01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:14.800 I'm an Elien. But I mean maybe I am pretty weird, 1403 01:44:14.840 --> 01:44:15.319 but I don't. 1404 01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:18.520 I mean, they pretty much tell you what they want. 1405 01:44:19.720 --> 01:44:24.600 They want you not to just say that you know, 1406 01:44:24.800 --> 01:44:28.560 what happened was bad and that it was the worst 1407 01:44:28.640 --> 01:44:32.600 thing that ever happened. But they want you to go 1408 01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:35.720 out of your way to say the evil that was 1409 01:44:35.800 --> 01:44:40.479 done to them was unique above what every other evil 1410 01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:42.079 ever done in history. 1411 01:44:41.960 --> 01:44:45.760 Was no legit. But then that plus five dollars will 1412 01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:47.960 get you a coffee. It's Starbucks, you know what I mean. 1413 01:44:48.039 --> 01:44:52.239 It's just it just doesn't I mean, you can give 1414 01:44:52.279 --> 01:44:55.920 in symbiltons of things like that, and but where the 1415 01:44:56.000 --> 01:44:59.920 rubber Measter road. I mean that doesn't really that doesn't 1416 01:45:00.239 --> 01:45:01.840 matter even in the president I mean, that's the point 1417 01:45:01.880 --> 01:45:04.880 to make the people who who go nuts about Israel 1418 01:45:04.920 --> 01:45:07.359 and stuff. It's like even if you're you know, if 1419 01:45:07.359 --> 01:45:10.239 you're someone like in passion Zionists or or some somebody 1420 01:45:10.239 --> 01:45:12.720 with the slave mentality is like not Jewish, but just 1421 01:45:12.840 --> 01:45:17.880 as decided like take on those prejudices for some unconstable reason. 1422 01:45:19.439 --> 01:45:24.039 I mean, it's like, okay, like you know, the the Palestinians, 1423 01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:26.560 his your ops, aren't They're not all gonna like put 1424 01:45:26.600 --> 01:45:28.079 down their clashing the costs and be like, you know what, 1425 01:45:28.159 --> 01:45:30.399 you're right, you know, specialficums of the history. I'm a 1426 01:45:30.479 --> 01:45:33.560 terrible person. I'm gonna stop. Now. You can convince like 1427 01:45:33.640 --> 01:45:38.159 a billion rooms and you know, the rest of the 1428 01:45:38.239 --> 01:45:41.479 world that you're right. That's great, that being right doesn't 1429 01:45:41.479 --> 01:45:42.039 win wars. 1430 01:45:42.840 --> 01:45:46.880 Yeah, you're gonna It's easy to get people who live 1431 01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:50.239 in a first world country, who you know, can have food, 1432 01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:54.399 you can have food delivered for them to be to 1433 01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:56.920 adopt these things because you know, they don't really have 1434 01:45:57.000 --> 01:45:59.119 anything bad going on in their life. But when you 1435 01:45:59.199 --> 01:46:02.199 have people in other countries who have in Arab countries, 1436 01:46:02.239 --> 01:46:06.000 who have real problems, they're like, well, fuck you, Well. 1437 01:46:05.880 --> 01:46:07.920 It's just a weird. Yeah, I mean, it's it's somewhat 1438 01:46:09.119 --> 01:46:13.079 it's somewhat uh well, people will say like it's nuts that, 1439 01:46:13.319 --> 01:46:16.239 uh you know. I'm like, I'm around a lot of 1440 01:46:16.319 --> 01:46:18.560 like non white people. I mean it's because like where 1441 01:46:18.600 --> 01:46:22.159 I live obviously, but like some of these guys I 1442 01:46:22.279 --> 01:46:25.439 like record with and stuff, and I'm happy they like 1443 01:46:25.479 --> 01:46:26.760 let me record with them, you know, because they have 1444 01:46:26.800 --> 01:46:29.199 interesting stuff to say. And like if people are interesting, 1445 01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:34.279 you know, I I I feel lucky if they let 1446 01:46:34.359 --> 01:46:36.560 me record what they got to say. But there's like 1447 01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:38.680 all these weirdos of semi hate mail, and even if 1448 01:46:38.720 --> 01:46:40.760 there's some who aren't so much haters, but they're just like, 1449 01:46:41.279 --> 01:46:42.960 you know, how do those people possibly let you in 1450 01:46:43.039 --> 01:46:44.960 their house? I'm like, well, would they care what I'm into? Like, 1451 01:46:45.000 --> 01:46:46.600 that's not the way normal people think. It's like you 1452 01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:49.239 think that wakes you're a weirdo. It's like if you like, 1453 01:46:51.199 --> 01:46:52.960 if you'd like if you think that, like black people 1454 01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:54.479 like look at some guy, like, oh, that guy's got 1455 01:46:54.560 --> 01:46:56.560 a nutsy shirt on. I can't let him in my house. 1456 01:46:56.680 --> 01:46:59.560 Like no one thinks the way with total weirdos, you know, 1457 01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:05.720 or like bitch made like like suburbanit people who lived 1458 01:47:05.720 --> 01:47:08.279 through their television or something like, I don't even know 1459 01:47:08.399 --> 01:47:10.159 what it's like. No one thinks that way man, like 1460 01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:13.199 in the real world, you know. And I guess that's 1461 01:47:13.239 --> 01:47:16.359 like my point, you know, it's so you can the 1462 01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:19.640 uh what the and in mind, that's the point always 1463 01:47:19.640 --> 01:47:22.119 made to people too, like partic eaments and noualty. It's 1464 01:47:22.199 --> 01:47:26.520 that what It's not what the way you judge these things, 1465 01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:29.720 the way you judge kind of like what's shaping the 1466 01:47:29.800 --> 01:47:34.840 conceptual horizon. It's not what. It's not what Ben Shapiro 1467 01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:38.279 is saying or tweeting out. It's not what MSNBC is saying. 1468 01:47:38.399 --> 01:47:40.560 It's not it's not like how things being presented in 1469 01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:43.560 Hollywood movies. You know, it's like a matter of zeitgeist, 1470 01:47:43.640 --> 01:47:45.520 and once and once things like lose their kind of 1471 01:47:45.640 --> 01:47:49.640 evocative power and like lose their like monumental power, like 1472 01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:53.720 like that they're done. They can't be like recaptured, you know, 1473 01:47:53.880 --> 01:47:58.439 and like nobody, like no serious historian would take something 1474 01:47:58.520 --> 01:48:01.760 like Shindler's List like seriously today, you know, like and 1475 01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:03.680 that and that that that then that's not going to change, 1476 01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:07.760 that's not coming back, you know, and nobody's people like 1477 01:48:07.840 --> 01:48:12.079 people basically unless you're a and like's in one of 1478 01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:14.560 these kinds of like weird zip codes where where people 1479 01:48:14.600 --> 01:48:20.560 attend some some crazy like like non denom church that 1480 01:48:20.680 --> 01:48:24.279 like worships Israel or unless you're you know, like in Scoche, Illinois, 1481 01:48:24.399 --> 01:48:27.399 like like basically like nobody likes Israel, and like that's 1482 01:48:27.439 --> 01:48:29.000 not going to change. That's not going back to the 1483 01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:31.359 way it was, you know, twenty years ago. You know, 1484 01:48:31.479 --> 01:48:37.720 like this can't the like zeitgeist when when they preceding 1485 01:48:38.399 --> 01:48:42.760 this is a conceptual structure, like psychological constitution is gone, 1486 01:48:42.840 --> 01:48:46.600 like it's gone, you know, and everything is different now. 1487 01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:48.720 I mean, that's that's why I was emphasized that people 1488 01:48:48.760 --> 01:48:51.920 who say that things are so terrible today that it's 1489 01:48:52.000 --> 01:48:55.520 it's practically like mainstreaming to be somewhat right wing, you know, 1490 01:48:56.039 --> 01:48:58.920 like that that's a sea change from thirty years ago. 1491 01:48:59.239 --> 01:49:01.840 That was like one thing thirty years ago, you know, 1492 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:03.760 and and things can things are never going to go 1493 01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:07.800 back to the way they were, you know. And that's 1494 01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:11.279 the way to look at it. It's not it's not 1495 01:49:12.359 --> 01:49:14.560 it's not what people who have access to remains of 1496 01:49:14.880 --> 01:49:16.960 the bully pulp that are like shouting out kind of 1497 01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:23.119 into the into the abyss or whatever, just to hear 1498 01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:26.399 their own echoes. I don't know. 1499 01:49:26.880 --> 01:49:30.119 But uh, the book you were trying to think of 1500 01:49:30.279 --> 01:49:32.439 earlier was that Putin in the Rise of Russia by 1501 01:49:32.439 --> 01:49:33.159 Michael Sturmer. 1502 01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:37.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's well worth reading. And it's it's 1503 01:49:37.279 --> 01:49:39.479 actually like a very balanced biography. It's not something like 1504 01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:44.399 put hagiography. I don't understand how people like speaking of 1505 01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:47.840 bizarre sort of conceits like the sighting you randomly hate 1506 01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:53.520 Bladmir Putin is incredibly strange, especially when you consider he's 1507 01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:56.000 like a moderate liberal, if anything, like a typical cop, 1508 01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:59.039 which is what he was. He's obsessed with, you know, 1509 01:49:59.119 --> 01:50:01.359 kind of the appearance of a biting the rules based order. 1510 01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:05.399 But it's it's actually a really interesting book. And yeah, 1511 01:50:05.439 --> 01:50:13.039 that Muller Miller was a he he wasn't a leading 1512 01:50:13.119 --> 01:50:17.640 light like Nolty, but he's a guy who during the 1513 01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:21.239 historical strike he was. He was a younger academic and 1514 01:50:21.319 --> 01:50:28.000 interesting things to say. Oh a book RHS. Stoffley who 1515 01:50:28.079 --> 01:50:30.119 wrote that book, the Biography of Hitler, that I think 1516 01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:36.359 is so great. Hitler beyond evil and tyranny. He wrote 1517 01:50:36.399 --> 01:50:43.000 this book with this retired Wehrmacht general officer called NATO 1518 01:50:43.079 --> 01:50:46.000 Under Attack. It was published in nineteen eighty four and 1519 01:50:46.119 --> 01:50:48.680 it got a lot of attention from war college types. 1520 01:50:49.279 --> 01:50:53.079 Like the sub the subtitle was, uh, how NATO can 1521 01:50:53.119 --> 01:50:56.359 win in Europe without nuclear weapons? And if you're if 1522 01:50:56.399 --> 01:50:58.560 you're a late Cold War geek like I am, who 1523 01:50:58.760 --> 01:51:02.199 I find it re emergence of conventional force structures as 1524 01:51:02.359 --> 01:51:07.479 as a major this positive variable to be fascinating just 1525 01:51:07.479 --> 01:51:11.199 because it's cool, But uh, this relates very much on 1526 01:51:11.279 --> 01:51:14.800 what we're talking about and how as the tent ended 1527 01:51:14.920 --> 01:51:18.119 in the final phase of the Cold War really heated up, 1528 01:51:19.600 --> 01:51:23.960 you know, this sort of punitive view of the Wehrmacht 1529 01:51:24.079 --> 01:51:26.600 the and of the Germans as a people who just 1530 01:51:26.680 --> 01:51:30.680 could no longer be abided. That's I mean, it's just 1531 01:51:30.760 --> 01:51:33.079 like a fascinating kind of like period piece about what 1532 01:51:34.479 --> 01:51:37.079 war planner types were thinking and stophe a was a 1533 01:51:37.199 --> 01:51:44.319 really freaking smart guy and who grasped political and historical 1534 01:51:44.640 --> 01:51:48.840 like he grasped the philosophy of history and and political 1535 01:51:48.920 --> 01:51:51.319 theory in a way most like military types don't. But 1536 01:51:51.600 --> 01:51:56.239 he also was a very brilliant, like you know, military writer. 1537 01:51:57.000 --> 01:52:02.960 But yeah, that's uh, I'm gonna ask to wrap it. 1538 01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:05.159 Yeah, you want to you want to end it and 1539 01:52:05.279 --> 01:52:06.840 uh get plugs and get out of here. 1540 01:52:07.079 --> 01:52:11.279 Yeah. Yeah, and I'll in part three, I'll uh, I'll 1541 01:52:11.319 --> 01:52:13.760 take up I know people because they've been asking me. 1542 01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:15.760 They've been asking me, what if any relationship there is 1543 01:52:15.840 --> 01:52:19.079 between like Nolty and like some of these some of 1544 01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:21.760 these guys I mentioned, like David Irving, like Fred Leuchter, 1545 01:52:23.520 --> 01:52:25.880 like like even Zundel, who people think I'm I'm too 1546 01:52:25.920 --> 01:52:28.720 punitive on what that's we'll get into the kind of 1547 01:52:28.720 --> 01:52:31.520 revisionism generally, and like Nolty's sort of like place in 1548 01:52:31.600 --> 01:52:37.319 it in the third episode. Yeah you can. You can 1549 01:52:37.319 --> 01:52:39.560 always find me on Twitter or not always. I mean, 1550 01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:42.199 I think I think they've gotten tired of like nuking 1551 01:52:42.239 --> 01:52:48.000 me there. It's a real capital R E L underscore 1552 01:52:48.239 --> 01:52:51.680 number seven hm me S seven seven seven. My substack 1553 01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:53.880 has been popping a lot lately. I really appreciate that 1554 01:52:54.039 --> 01:52:57.159 people are very generous and in signing up and throwing 1555 01:52:57.199 --> 01:52:58.560 me a lot of love, not just in the form 1556 01:52:58.600 --> 01:53:02.359 of like subscriptions and don'ts, but you know, sending me 1557 01:53:02.479 --> 01:53:06.000 encouraging emails and stuff. And I actually really do appreciate that. 1558 01:53:06.079 --> 01:53:08.239 I mean, I'm not trying to sound like some sentimental slob, 1559 01:53:08.319 --> 01:53:12.760 but you know I I I feel a very moved 1560 01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:15.239 to get that kind of love from people. You can 1561 01:53:15.279 --> 01:53:19.000 always find my continent at my website. It's number seven 1562 01:53:19.239 --> 01:53:22.520 h on as seven seven seven dot com. I'm on 1563 01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:28.359 t gram, I'm on Instagram. You know I'm I'm here 1564 01:53:28.439 --> 01:53:32.600 there see can you shall find all? 1565 01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:36.880 Right? So Part three, Thank you very much, Thomas. I 1566 01:53:37.000 --> 01:53:40.640 want to welcome everyone back to the Pegana Show. Thomas 1567 01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:43.239 is here again and we're going to get into part 1568 01:53:43.359 --> 01:53:47.920 three of Thomas to talk about Ernst Nelty. How you doing, Thomas. 1569 01:53:48.399 --> 01:53:52.159 Doing very well? Thanks for hosting me. Of course. What 1570 01:53:52.239 --> 01:53:54.920 I want to get into a bit today. I want 1571 01:53:54.920 --> 01:53:57.840 to address some things that people have been asking over 1572 01:53:58.000 --> 01:54:02.640 email and things, which is great. There's been a tremendous 1573 01:54:02.640 --> 01:54:07.359 amount of feedback on this series and I was pleasantly 1574 01:54:07.439 --> 01:54:11.880 surprised by that. It's it's something of a heavy topic, 1575 01:54:12.000 --> 01:54:15.119 like I'm not suggesting that like people aren't smart enough 1576 01:54:15.199 --> 01:54:19.920 to comprehend it. It's just that, frankly, not like you know, 1577 01:54:20.039 --> 01:54:24.520 deep diving into into political philosophy and sort of the 1578 01:54:24.600 --> 01:54:28.840 history of ideas and in a very abstract capacity, that's 1579 01:54:29.039 --> 01:54:31.520 that's not something that you know, a great number of 1580 01:54:31.600 --> 01:54:35.720 people are taken in by and I totally understand that, 1581 01:54:37.399 --> 01:54:44.279 but it's essential to understanding the development of of of 1582 01:54:44.439 --> 01:54:47.560 concrete political realities in the twentieth century. And if you 1583 01:54:47.560 --> 01:54:54.079 want to understand the are present and it's it's it's 1584 01:54:54.199 --> 01:54:59.119 nuances therein you've you've got to you've got to understand 1585 01:54:59.159 --> 01:55:03.840 these things as legacy structures and legacy phenomenon of the 1586 01:55:03.920 --> 01:55:08.279 twentieth century. Not just because as we talk about there's 1587 01:55:08.359 --> 01:55:15.039 been a basic stagnation in America and you know, the 1588 01:55:15.560 --> 01:55:19.640 former West. Even if that were not the case, even 1589 01:55:19.880 --> 01:55:25.399 if there was an authentic dynamism to American government, and 1590 01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:29.079 even if there had been you know, truly forward looking 1591 01:55:30.359 --> 01:55:38.479 and in far reaching and workable sort of path forward 1592 01:55:38.760 --> 01:55:44.039 in policy terms after the classing or German border. You know, 1593 01:55:44.159 --> 01:55:46.560 I'm thinking in terms of what you know, mister Nixon 1594 01:55:47.439 --> 01:55:51.920 wrote about in his final years and as well as 1595 01:55:51.960 --> 01:55:54.600 you know, kind of the Bush Baker model. Like I'm 1596 01:55:54.600 --> 01:55:56.760 not suggesting people should look at that as you know, 1597 01:55:56.920 --> 01:55:59.640 some ideal model or something, but there was like a 1598 01:55:59.720 --> 01:56:04.439 dynas to it, and it was relevant to you know, 1599 01:56:04.600 --> 01:56:09.279 Postcold War realities. You know, even if there was even 1600 01:56:09.319 --> 01:56:15.279 if there was something like that extent, you know, in 1601 01:56:15.359 --> 01:56:19.359 terms of intellectual occurrence as well as political will and 1602 01:56:19.520 --> 01:56:24.880 conceptual ambition, this would still be informed almost entirely by 1603 01:56:26.159 --> 01:56:31.039 you know, twentieth century structures phenomenon relationships like different as 1604 01:56:31.119 --> 01:56:34.760 things are today. As much as I agree with people 1605 01:56:35.359 --> 01:56:39.760 including mister Musk, who say that historical time is speeding 1606 01:56:39.880 --> 01:56:42.319 up along the technology, that is one hundred percent true. 1607 01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:49.239 So today I want to get into some of these 1608 01:56:49.359 --> 01:56:59.800 things and what's key to understanding about novelty and German 1609 01:56:59.880 --> 01:57:08.239 idealism generally. You know, people, especially Anglophone types who have 1610 01:57:09.560 --> 01:57:13.840 are marinated with a certain disdain for continal philosophy. Okay, man, 1611 01:57:13.880 --> 01:57:17.800 it's just a fact. There's a tendency to dismiss these 1612 01:57:17.840 --> 01:57:22.840 things as well. That's so much sophistry, you know, That's 1613 01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:29.359 that that's just uh, you know, a not particularly lucid 1614 01:57:30.279 --> 01:57:37.560 interpretation of political realities, you know, that extrapolates the musings 1615 01:57:37.600 --> 01:57:42.079 of of closer intellectuals to populations at scale. That's the 1616 01:57:42.119 --> 01:57:45.520 wrong way to look at it. Even if you don't 1617 01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:53.239 accept the postuitz ontological and otherwise of Pagel of of 1618 01:57:53.399 --> 01:57:59.000 nulty of Heidegger. Even if this is nothing more than 1619 01:58:00.039 --> 01:58:03.520 a conceptual horizon that became a kind of self fulfilling 1620 01:58:03.600 --> 01:58:11.119 prophecy in terms of how it shaped the European political mind, 1621 01:58:11.600 --> 01:58:18.840 that's nonetheless a causal variable that isn't arguably just positive 1622 01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:23.560 of how con is. Okay, I take it a step further, obviously, 1623 01:58:23.840 --> 01:58:26.039 I mean, I think it's clear to everybody that you know, 1624 01:58:26.279 --> 01:58:29.800 I'm very much a Hegelian. I think Urson Old was 1625 01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:35.920 the most profound historical thinker and a writer of the 1626 01:58:35.960 --> 01:58:41.479 twentieth century. But the way I understand German idealism is 1627 01:58:43.079 --> 01:58:49.359 it's people who deal in and studies the consciousness and 1628 01:58:49.479 --> 01:58:55.159 things will be familiar with the anthropic principle. This is 1629 01:58:55.239 --> 01:59:02.680 extraordinarily complicated, Okay, on like its own terms. But we 1630 01:59:02.800 --> 01:59:07.239 can't talk about political realities without talking about the events 1631 01:59:07.279 --> 01:59:11.000 within within the human mind. Okay, It's not like there's 1632 01:59:11.039 --> 01:59:17.359 some it's not like some actual political reality remote from 1633 01:59:18.479 --> 01:59:24.640 human psychology that is existing outside of our purview or something. Okay, 1634 01:59:25.159 --> 01:59:29.479 we're not We're not talking about astronomical phenomenon, talking about 1635 01:59:30.479 --> 01:59:36.159 you know, events of of of of a natural scientific 1636 01:59:36.600 --> 01:59:45.680 you know nature. Obviously, you know, so that renders that 1637 01:59:45.840 --> 01:59:49.680 that that that renders the study of of of political 1638 01:59:50.479 --> 01:59:55.119 philosophy unique, Okay, because you can't you can't. You can't 1639 01:59:55.199 --> 01:59:59.960 do away with with mind as a prime move on. Okay, 1640 02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:03.359 even if you reject the postulates of somebody like Noldy 1641 02:00:04.079 --> 02:00:06.680 and it come bat this again and again. All right, 1642 02:00:08.319 --> 02:00:13.479 But it's also to understand the entirety of the war. 1643 02:00:16.880 --> 02:00:17.520 You know, this. 1644 02:00:19.920 --> 02:00:24.520 Zeitgeist was the cause of the war, okay. And there 1645 02:00:24.640 --> 02:00:30.199 was obviously like concrete variables you know, relating to things 1646 02:00:30.239 --> 02:00:35.600 like war technology and capabilities they're in that upset balances 1647 02:00:35.640 --> 02:00:39.399 of power that basically been constants in sixteen forty eight 1648 02:00:39.520 --> 02:00:45.319 or so. There's economic realities that you know, affected and 1649 02:00:45.399 --> 02:00:49.800 impacted the ability to manage populations at scale that in turn, 1650 02:00:52.319 --> 02:00:55.520 you know, we're decisive and as regards you know, the 1651 02:00:55.600 --> 02:01:01.399 capacity to mobilize those aforementioned populations, which in turn, you know, 1652 02:01:02.399 --> 02:01:09.119 had a tremendous impact on the perception of states engaged 1653 02:01:09.119 --> 02:01:13.800 in a hard power competition. That goes without saying, but 1654 02:01:14.399 --> 02:01:18.000 all of these things it key points the decision as 1655 02:01:18.039 --> 02:01:23.600 well as in terms of broad conceptual horizon of what 1656 02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:30.359 the end game of these political ambitions were you can 1657 02:01:30.399 --> 02:01:36.039 only understood in terms of the Zeitgeist and the way 1658 02:01:36.159 --> 02:01:39.960 that practical transcendence was changing the way humans live their 1659 02:01:40.079 --> 02:01:43.840 lives and identify themselves and quite literally how they lived 1660 02:01:43.880 --> 02:01:52.960 and died. Nobody was more insinuated into that Modelitia thought 1661 02:01:53.000 --> 02:01:58.680 and Hadolf Hiller. Okay, I'm going to begin a series 1662 02:01:58.720 --> 02:02:02.479 on this book in the next week. This is an 1663 02:02:02.520 --> 02:02:05.800 incredibly ballsy book and it was kind of underneath the radar. 1664 02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:10.279 It's basically a breakdown of Hitler's second book, The Secret Book, 1665 02:02:13.159 --> 02:02:21.159 And what Sims emphasizes is that Hitler very well understood 1666 02:02:22.399 --> 02:02:26.800 the situation geostrategically as well as historically. And I've always 1667 02:02:26.840 --> 02:02:30.479 made the point before that Hitler's primary op was Franklin Roosevelt, 1668 02:02:30.560 --> 02:02:35.880 not Stalin. Sims hammers that point home absolutely, okay. And 1669 02:02:36.399 --> 02:02:39.800 in terms of Germany's mobilization paradigm, in terms of the 1670 02:02:39.880 --> 02:02:46.840 technologies Hitler emphasized in terms of his entire timetable, tactical 1671 02:02:46.920 --> 02:02:53.720 and strategic from September ninety thirty nine until December nineteen 1672 02:02:53.760 --> 02:02:59.760 forty one, was oriented towards facilitating Germany's ability to defend 1673 02:02:59.800 --> 02:03:03.600 it against a massive assault by the United States. That 1674 02:03:03.760 --> 02:03:06.840 can't be that can't be overemphasized. Anybody who denies it 1675 02:03:07.000 --> 02:03:12.520 is not in the game. However, what was happening to 1676 02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:19.520 European peoples and what was threatening to render the culture 1677 02:03:19.600 --> 02:03:28.319 extinct was uh, what was? What was? What was was 1678 02:03:28.439 --> 02:03:41.399 uh was purely conceptual, okay, and it's uh, it's the 1679 02:03:41.520 --> 02:03:49.359 uh sphare punkd of that devastating idea or psychological tendency. 1680 02:03:49.840 --> 02:03:54.600 Was was Bolshevism. You know, Bolshevism wasn't just a way 1681 02:03:54.680 --> 02:03:58.439 of ordering labor. You know, it wasn't just uh, a 1682 02:03:58.520 --> 02:04:02.800 matter of depriving people of of certain freedoms you know 1683 02:04:02.840 --> 02:04:05.560 that they become habituated to do. It wasn't just a 1684 02:04:05.680 --> 02:04:14.439 question of breaking down traditional modalities of order, you know, 1685 02:04:15.079 --> 02:04:17.600 whether we're talking about you know, within the family unit, 1686 02:04:18.600 --> 02:04:21.000 or you know, in terms of how you know, the 1687 02:04:21.479 --> 02:04:25.159 races or ethnic populations relate to one another, or the 1688 02:04:25.239 --> 02:04:27.279 way you know, the sex is you know, kind of 1689 02:04:27.880 --> 02:04:35.039 relate to one another in as regards you know, duties 1690 02:04:35.079 --> 02:04:39.800 and responsibilities and things, and in ontological terms, it was 1691 02:04:40.399 --> 02:04:44.279 it was sharing the bases of of of of identity, 1692 02:04:45.039 --> 02:04:49.960 and when you remove people from any identitarian pole stars 1693 02:04:50.319 --> 02:04:53.479 when you literally rip them out of history, they're no 1694 02:04:53.520 --> 02:04:56.319 longer living as human beings in basic terms. Okay. And 1695 02:04:56.399 --> 02:05:01.039 despite what people claim, and SEMs emphasizes this too, Hitler 1696 02:05:01.079 --> 02:05:04.479 did not claim that Europeans or some master race. Quite 1697 02:05:04.520 --> 02:05:10.119 the contrary. Hitler said Germany's rachel stock has precipitously declined 1698 02:05:11.079 --> 02:05:13.279 since the Thirty Years War. He looked at that as 1699 02:05:13.319 --> 02:05:17.680 the sharing event, okay, that Germany never really recovered from. 1700 02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:21.439 He said that the best European stock was in England, 1701 02:05:21.720 --> 02:05:25.119 and their leadership cast basically was able to dominate a 1702 02:05:25.159 --> 02:05:27.800 good portion of the planet as well as preside over 1703 02:05:28.119 --> 02:05:31.760 a divided society that had no kind of like organic 1704 02:05:31.920 --> 02:05:35.720 like national underpinning, you know. And they managed to do 1705 02:05:35.800 --> 02:05:43.199 this with like a combination of of tremendous foresight, you know, 1706 02:05:43.600 --> 02:05:48.880 on unrestrained ruthlessness, and you know, an ability to sort 1707 02:05:48.880 --> 02:05:58.000 of manipulate subjugated cultures in a way that incentivized you know, cooperation, 1708 02:05:58.279 --> 02:06:03.039 but also quite literally you know, rendering like the best 1709 02:06:03.119 --> 02:06:09.760 that those cultures could provide to this you know, imperial whole. Okay. 1710 02:06:10.359 --> 02:06:13.960 Hitler further said that the best European stock had emigrated 1711 02:06:14.000 --> 02:06:18.279 to America, you know, so Hitler's like, we're basically left 1712 02:06:18.479 --> 02:06:22.000 like this kind of like shattered remnant of what's what 1713 02:06:22.199 --> 02:06:26.880 was potentially you know, like a like like a master race. Okay, 1714 02:06:28.640 --> 02:06:34.199 and thus it was all the more critical. Germany would 1715 02:06:34.239 --> 02:06:44.319 like literally die from this onslaught of of of suicidal 1716 02:06:45.840 --> 02:06:47.880 for lack of a better way to characterize it. Okay. 1717 02:06:49.880 --> 02:06:55.840 Now this wasn't just like Hitler actually believed this. Okay, 1718 02:06:57.439 --> 02:07:00.319 this wasn't I mean, this wasn't just you know, stuff 1719 02:07:00.359 --> 02:07:04.079 fit for the bully pulpit, or you know, before the 1720 02:07:04.159 --> 02:07:09.600 national social has had anything approaching a bully pulpit. This 1721 02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:14.239 wasn't just you know, these weren't just like scare concepts 1722 02:07:14.359 --> 02:07:18.520 or or something a nightmare scenario to to bring ignorant 1723 02:07:18.560 --> 02:07:20.560 people the polls out of fear or something like that. 1724 02:07:22.960 --> 02:07:27.359 The degree in which communism in practice, like literally the 1725 02:07:27.479 --> 02:07:33.840 practice of communism marsis Leninism. It can only it can 1726 02:07:33.920 --> 02:07:41.000 only exist, let aloning door and perpetuate itself if it 1727 02:07:41.119 --> 02:07:49.319 annihilates all competing conceptual horizons. You've got to deprive people 1728 02:07:49.359 --> 02:07:56.119 of the ability to conceptualize some alternative ontology. Okay, there's 1729 02:07:56.159 --> 02:08:00.359 no other ideology like that. As long as it's miss laced. 1730 02:08:00.439 --> 02:08:06.439 When we talked about an earlier episode, this kind of 1731 02:08:06.479 --> 02:08:11.600 a Simpleton's paradigm that's fromoted during the Cold War, of Oh, 1732 02:08:11.720 --> 02:08:16.840 there's totalitarianism and then there's democracy. Something like Franco Spain 1733 02:08:16.920 --> 02:08:19.560 had nothing in common with the Soviet Union, a revolutionary 1734 02:08:19.600 --> 02:08:24.119 communsm generally, nor did you know some some tinpot dictatorship 1735 02:08:25.199 --> 02:08:30.840 in the Third World regimes like that forcing compliance or 1736 02:08:30.960 --> 02:08:36.880 enforcing supervisial compliance, you know, by by use of the 1737 02:08:36.920 --> 02:08:42.319 penal apparatus or or some or or some kind of 1738 02:08:43.920 --> 02:08:50.119 you know, use of military force as an extra judicial 1739 02:08:50.239 --> 02:08:54.600 means of punishing people. And you know, as a spectacle 1740 02:08:56.279 --> 02:08:59.560 that communism is not interested in that for its own terms. 1741 02:09:02.520 --> 02:09:04.479 One of the things I think in some ways is 1742 02:09:04.560 --> 02:09:09.680 the very overrated writer but or Well captured the true 1743 02:09:09.840 --> 02:09:16.079 essence of Marsus Leninism in nineteen eighty four. And that's 1744 02:09:16.119 --> 02:09:19.000 exactly what the book's about. It's not about totalitarianism or 1745 02:09:19.119 --> 02:09:23.600 fascism or government generally. It is about Marcus Leninism. What 1746 02:09:23.680 --> 02:09:27.439 O'Brien says, I need you to love a big brother. 1747 02:09:28.800 --> 02:09:32.279 I don't you know. I'm not interested in super visual compliance. 1748 02:09:32.520 --> 02:09:35.640 I'm not interested in forcing you to do things. You know, 1749 02:09:36.000 --> 02:09:40.319 in fact, quite the contrary, you know, I need you 1750 02:09:40.399 --> 02:09:43.279 to not be able to conceive of anything other than 1751 02:09:45.119 --> 02:09:50.359 prostrating yourself in kind of like odd and terrified reverence 1752 02:09:51.359 --> 02:09:57.000 of this megalithic state. You know, And not only do 1753 02:09:57.119 --> 02:10:00.239 you not, you know, the reason why you don't resist 1754 02:10:00.359 --> 02:10:03.000 it isn't out of terror. It's because you can't even 1755 02:10:03.039 --> 02:10:09.920 conceptualize resisting it. It's like resisting God. Okay, and iably 1756 02:10:09.960 --> 02:10:17.960 the best example of this was in Romania immediately after 1757 02:10:18.039 --> 02:10:24.159 the war. There's I can't remember his name now, but 1758 02:10:24.520 --> 02:10:29.000 there was a Romanian Orthodox priest who when somebody has 1759 02:10:29.039 --> 02:10:33.479 made a saint, are they beatified? Is that the term? Okay, 1760 02:10:33.680 --> 02:10:39.760 I believe it was beatified? Yeah, for his resistance the communists. 1761 02:10:39.800 --> 02:10:43.880 But uh, there was this what came even known is 1762 02:10:43.960 --> 02:10:48.239 uh the poteste e butchering that pronunciation again, forgive me 1763 02:10:48.560 --> 02:10:54.920 the Potetsi prison experiments. Okay, Ptetsi prison Now. Romania is 1764 02:10:54.960 --> 02:11:01.800 a fascinating example because it's usc was was was he 1765 02:11:01.920 --> 02:11:04.239 was viewed kind of in the west of this bizarre 1766 02:11:04.279 --> 02:11:08.640 eccentric obviously, you know, him and his wife were were 1767 02:11:08.760 --> 02:11:12.680 nearly executed on on live television and that was shocking. 1768 02:11:13.000 --> 02:11:14.520 I think we've talked about before, you know, as a 1769 02:11:14.600 --> 02:11:17.560 teenager seeing then on this. This was long before a 1770 02:11:17.640 --> 02:11:21.119 live league and anything like three guys one hammer or 1771 02:11:21.119 --> 02:11:24.119 any of this horrible stuff that you can anybody can 1772 02:11:24.159 --> 02:11:27.159 see on the internet. And but I mean, obviously it's 1773 02:11:27.199 --> 02:11:32.560 the only violent overthrow of of of an East Block regime. 1774 02:11:32.680 --> 02:11:37.680 But you know, for all pradical purposes, Romania had seceded 1775 02:11:37.720 --> 02:11:42.800 from Warsaw Pact. You know, Chusysku himself, he negotiated with 1776 02:11:42.920 --> 02:11:48.560 Kennedy to remove Romania from the SIOP target list and 1777 02:11:48.840 --> 02:11:55.960 a nuclear war. But in terms of that, despite kind 1778 02:11:55.960 --> 02:12:00.560 of like seceding entirely from Veldt politique, were Mania kind 1779 02:12:00.600 --> 02:12:07.239 of perfected Mars's Leninism as regardless internal situation. I mean, 1780 02:12:07.319 --> 02:12:09.399 purists will say, well, it was a personality cult, but 1781 02:12:10.399 --> 02:12:16.479 that's not what I'm talking about. Most of the detainees 1782 02:12:16.640 --> 02:12:21.479 at the Poteste prison were men wud served in the 1783 02:12:21.520 --> 02:12:29.399 Iron Guard, you know, they were they were you know 1784 02:12:29.560 --> 02:12:35.600 uh os front veterans who you know, we're company level officers, 1785 02:12:35.640 --> 02:12:40.199 are higher. They were priests who hadn't done anything wrong. 1786 02:12:40.760 --> 02:12:47.079 I mean, even of a you know, political nature and 1787 02:12:48.319 --> 02:12:55.479 they were psychologically tortured. According to this phase paradigm, the 1788 02:12:55.600 --> 02:13:01.640 first phase would involved this kind of like endless interrogation 1789 02:13:02.199 --> 02:13:08.520 over days and weeks, with torture liberally applied under the 1790 02:13:08.600 --> 02:13:14.920 auspices of revealing intimate details. This was called external unmasking. 1791 02:13:15.720 --> 02:13:19.760 But the interrogators, I mean, they obviously that any any 1792 02:13:19.840 --> 02:13:24.079 kind of anything relating to somebody's intimate, moral, or or 1793 02:13:24.199 --> 02:13:28.520 sexual behavior, they'd find that valuable to exploit against them. 1794 02:13:29.239 --> 02:13:33.399 But this wasn't this wasn't the purpose of external unmasking. 1795 02:13:33.920 --> 02:13:37.159 They'd forced people to do things like, you know, they'd say, 1796 02:13:37.199 --> 02:13:38.600 you know, it's come to our attention that you know, 1797 02:13:38.720 --> 02:13:40.760 like your father was actually like it like a trader, 1798 02:13:41.319 --> 02:13:43.399 you know, and or like you know, it's it's you 1799 02:13:43.560 --> 02:13:45.640 you were actually born at Bastard, you know, and then 1800 02:13:45.720 --> 02:13:47.800 we we've we've discovered this, or like you know, your 1801 02:13:48.079 --> 02:13:50.359 your sister was a prostitute, you know, and and she 1802 02:13:50.479 --> 02:13:53.199 had many men, you know, and we we we we've 1803 02:13:53.239 --> 02:13:55.439 talked to men who who you know, who visited her 1804 02:13:55.479 --> 02:13:59.319 and and in relations with her for money, and they'd 1805 02:13:59.359 --> 02:14:01.520 insist on it over and over and over and over again, 1806 02:14:02.439 --> 02:14:07.319 and you know, they torture people into signing confessions and 1807 02:14:07.359 --> 02:14:10.840 stuff that seems apparently meaningless from a political perspective, but 1808 02:14:13.680 --> 02:14:22.520 victims subsequently attested that you start losing touch of reality 1809 02:14:22.560 --> 02:14:25.680 in these conditions and you start wondering, you know, like 1810 02:14:25.960 --> 02:14:28.680 is that actually true? You know what I mean, I'm 1811 02:14:28.720 --> 02:14:30.560 sure people will say, like, well that that would never 1812 02:14:30.640 --> 02:14:34.880 happen to me. Very very strange things happen when people 1813 02:14:34.960 --> 02:14:38.359 are incarcerated, and add to that, literal court. 1814 02:14:39.079 --> 02:14:43.520 It doesn't even have to be incarceration. I've witnessed people 1815 02:14:43.560 --> 02:14:49.279 in my own life who went to group therapy started 1816 02:14:49.720 --> 02:14:55.079 started adopting stories that they heard other people tell as 1817 02:14:55.159 --> 02:14:56.000 their own. 1818 02:14:56.680 --> 02:15:00.199 And they probably they believe it. Yeah, of it. 1819 02:15:00.359 --> 02:15:04.359 It's the human mind. Is I don't know what that is. 1820 02:15:05.199 --> 02:15:08.560 It's hard for me to uh to understand, to understand that, 1821 02:15:08.760 --> 02:15:09.720 but I've seen it. 1822 02:15:10.560 --> 02:15:12.760 Yeah, yeah, No, I mean you're a worldly guy, and 1823 02:15:13.319 --> 02:15:16.920 I mean obviously, I mean, frankly, you spend a fair 1824 02:15:16.920 --> 02:15:21.359 amount of time with with with matters of the human 1825 02:15:21.399 --> 02:15:27.880 psyche because it relates to you know what, our mutual 1826 02:15:28.479 --> 02:15:33.199 emphasies and things. But yeah, it's you know, the second 1827 02:15:33.319 --> 02:15:39.039 the second phase. It was called uh like internal unmasking. 1828 02:15:40.560 --> 02:15:49.520 Now this would this was us at least uhh nominally 1829 02:15:51.800 --> 02:15:56.279 it was uh the torture slash interrogator. He'd demand to 1830 02:15:56.399 --> 02:16:02.119 know what guards or trustees or other interrogators had been 1831 02:16:02.239 --> 02:16:04.920 lenient with the subject. So basically this was you know 1832 02:16:05.000 --> 02:16:07.239 and say like, you know, basically like you know, I 1833 02:16:08.560 --> 02:16:12.920 now in this perverse way, you know, it's it's a 1834 02:16:12.960 --> 02:16:16.359 way of trying to trying to literally create like Stockholm syndrome, 1835 02:16:17.039 --> 02:16:24.000 or to generate those sorts of misplaced sympathies in the 1836 02:16:24.199 --> 02:16:30.319 mind of the victim, you know. Uh, So it came 1837 02:16:30.439 --> 02:16:36.799 to the uh, you know, the victim in some cases 1838 02:16:38.000 --> 02:16:41.799 begin to look at his torture is truly benevolent, you know, 1839 02:16:41.920 --> 02:16:45.280 because even if it was totally a charade, you know, 1840 02:16:45.600 --> 02:16:50.479 the fact that he would disclose, you know, persons who'd 1841 02:16:50.520 --> 02:16:54.200 shown him leniency, and then he'd be rewarded with you know, 1842 02:16:54.719 --> 02:16:57.319 maybe if he'd been subjected to a starvation diet, he'd 1843 02:16:57.360 --> 02:17:00.159 be rewarded with food or something or even just you know, 1844 02:17:00.239 --> 02:17:04.840 the appearance of of of affection like perversa. It sounds 1845 02:17:06.920 --> 02:17:12.239 you know, people do need affection or or approval in 1846 02:17:12.360 --> 02:17:18.879 some basic sense, and somebody who's somebody who's been utterly destroyed, 1847 02:17:18.879 --> 02:17:25.000 whose internal constitution has been destroyed by a deliberate and purposeful, 1848 02:17:26.520 --> 02:17:30.399 you know, regime of torture, even even even the approval 1849 02:17:30.520 --> 02:17:34.399 of of their torture, you know, who's cast himself in 1850 02:17:34.840 --> 02:17:37.280 in some kind of fatherly roll. You know. You see 1851 02:17:37.360 --> 02:17:39.159 you see the police do this too, and it's been 1852 02:17:39.200 --> 02:17:42.440 sued to the police interrogation. Obviously they it's not nearly 1853 02:17:42.520 --> 02:17:47.600 this extreme, okay, but that's that's basically what good cop, 1854 02:17:47.760 --> 02:17:50.520 bad cop is, and some very dumb down and obviously 1855 02:17:50.600 --> 02:17:57.840 much less insidious and and and literally figuraibly violent the 1856 02:17:58.000 --> 02:18:06.239 sense it's the uh, the third stage was h in 1857 02:18:06.280 --> 02:18:11.440 the third phase, it was this. It was just it 1858 02:18:11.520 --> 02:18:15.920 was this kind of public humiliation ritual. If the person 1859 02:18:16.200 --> 02:18:20.520 was uh, you know, if they were if they were 1860 02:18:20.559 --> 02:18:26.120 a priest or a or a a lay person in 1861 02:18:26.159 --> 02:18:29.120 the other US church, you know, the interrogator would do 1862 02:18:29.200 --> 02:18:31.399 something like you know, laying out a crucifix and like 1863 02:18:31.440 --> 02:18:34.719 demanding the urinate on it. You know, if it was 1864 02:18:34.719 --> 02:18:37.680 a political partisan or like a former like Hrmacht officer 1865 02:18:38.360 --> 02:18:43.600 or Iron Guard revolutionary, you know, they might like force 1866 02:18:43.719 --> 02:18:46.399 him to like like drink urine or like literally like 1867 02:18:46.520 --> 02:18:49.360 lick the boots of his interrogator or something, or like 1868 02:18:49.520 --> 02:18:52.479 you know, claim to have engaged in in like disgusting 1869 02:18:52.559 --> 02:18:58.159 sexual acts or something, you know, in this like Michael 1870 02:18:58.239 --> 02:19:03.600 Joanes not specifically about this in this context, but you know, 1871 02:19:03.639 --> 02:19:08.799 he's talked about how part of the subtext of the 1872 02:19:08.920 --> 02:19:13.079 kind of like normalization of pornography is uh, the kind 1873 02:19:13.120 --> 02:19:15.559 of like assault the intimate world core of the person, 1874 02:19:16.760 --> 02:19:19.959 you know, and and and and and rip away any 1875 02:19:20.280 --> 02:19:25.239 any kind of private and any kind of truly like 1876 02:19:25.360 --> 02:19:29.959 private boundaries they have, you know, and that that's a 1877 02:19:30.000 --> 02:19:35.680 real thing too, you know, but this was you know, 1878 02:19:35.799 --> 02:19:40.120 these uh people were people were permanently and profoundly damaged 1879 02:19:40.159 --> 02:19:42.600 by this. I mean beyond the obvious. I mean, like 1880 02:19:42.680 --> 02:19:45.719 he said, you don't the things people think they take 1881 02:19:45.799 --> 02:19:49.360 for granted, they they they no longer can like they're 1882 02:19:49.399 --> 02:19:52.600 not they'y're not capable of it. I'm not talking about 1883 02:19:54.360 --> 02:19:56.719 and I'm not talking about like trust in in authority 1884 02:19:56.840 --> 02:19:59.879 and in some basic way, I mean like they're not 1885 02:20:00.959 --> 02:20:04.319 fully human anymore. There's no photo on their own obviously, 1886 02:20:04.520 --> 02:20:08.959 but it this guy, Ned Robert Graves is you know, 1887 02:20:09.200 --> 02:20:13.879 an english Man of letters type of you know, like 1888 02:20:14.000 --> 02:20:18.600 a great war veteran. His memoir was called Goodbye to 1889 02:20:18.680 --> 02:20:27.200 All that. Robert Conquest cited him and for comparative purposes 1890 02:20:27.319 --> 02:20:32.639 in his in his book on a Communist Megaside, Graves 1891 02:20:32.719 --> 02:20:36.200 was talking about the experience at the front, okay, during 1892 02:20:36.239 --> 02:20:42.760 World War One, and he said that, he said, Graves 1893 02:20:42.760 --> 02:20:45.360 said that like the squalor and danger of the front lines, 1894 02:20:45.399 --> 02:20:49.360 being under constant bombardment, you know, like living in filth. 1895 02:20:50.600 --> 02:20:53.959 He said that, like young officers, he said, they said, 1896 02:20:54.120 --> 02:20:56.719 after after several weeks, they begin to deteriorate a little. 1897 02:20:57.479 --> 02:21:00.600 He's like, after six months, he's like most men, we're 1898 02:21:00.680 --> 02:21:05.079 basically all right. But they were starting to show cracks, okay, 1899 02:21:05.719 --> 02:21:08.799 said after a nine or ten months, these guys became 1900 02:21:08.840 --> 02:21:12.200 a drag on fellow officers and NCOs. You know, like 1901 02:21:12.280 --> 02:21:17.239 they were no longer thinking clearly, you know, they they 1902 02:21:19.479 --> 02:21:26.399 they'd become desocialized owing to constant anxiety. You know, he'd say, 1903 02:21:26.440 --> 02:21:30.799 after a year or fifteen months to continuous service, he said, 1904 02:21:30.840 --> 02:21:37.079 even like the most robust and healthy junior officer would 1905 02:21:37.120 --> 02:21:39.879 basically be useless. You know, he was no longer fit 1906 02:21:39.959 --> 02:21:45.879 for command, you know, at best, you know, oh it 1907 02:21:46.000 --> 02:21:49.360 was experience and whatnot. You know, if he still had 1908 02:21:49.399 --> 02:21:55.440 the nerve and the gumption for direct action, you know, 1909 02:21:56.639 --> 02:21:58.559 he might be able to utilize and like the equivalent 1910 02:21:58.559 --> 02:22:04.120 of stormtrooper role, but in a command role. Not not 1911 02:22:04.239 --> 02:22:10.440 even close, he said. The real tragedy, though, he said, 1912 02:22:11.040 --> 02:22:13.200 guys over the age about thirty or thirty five, and 1913 02:22:13.280 --> 02:22:17.879 especially over forty. He said that these guys had less resistance, 1914 02:22:18.959 --> 02:22:23.239 you know, and in his estimation, it's because they had, 1915 02:22:24.559 --> 02:22:28.159 you know, decades of normal life to compare their current situation, dude, 1916 02:22:28.559 --> 02:22:31.319 he said. Officers over forty, he said that the six 1917 02:22:31.399 --> 02:22:36.319 months more almost unfamily became you know, obvious alcoholics. You know, 1918 02:22:38.120 --> 02:22:40.760 they'd only be able to you know, assuming they've survived 1919 02:22:41.079 --> 02:22:46.799 multiple assault operations. They could only they could only function 1920 02:22:46.879 --> 02:22:51.079 if they were totally drunk. He said that they started 1921 02:22:51.120 --> 02:22:54.360 seeming you know, complete like he said, they started seeming literally, 1922 02:22:56.239 --> 02:22:58.079 you know, like in a state of shock at all times. 1923 02:22:58.799 --> 02:23:00.399 You know. He said, some of them lost their ability 1924 02:23:00.440 --> 02:23:03.639 to communicate in basic terms, like their ability to their 1925 02:23:03.719 --> 02:23:10.719 command of language had left them, you know. And Conquest 1926 02:23:10.840 --> 02:23:17.200 says that something that developed in Soviet society, especially after 1927 02:23:17.239 --> 02:23:22.040 about nineteen thirty six to thirty eight, about ninety thirty six, 1928 02:23:22.079 --> 02:23:24.920 ninety thirty eight onwards until about nineteen fifty seven. He 1929 02:23:24.959 --> 02:23:28.239 said it was something he said, it was something completely comparable, 1930 02:23:28.639 --> 02:23:32.239 particularly guys who were in roles that were somewhat coveted 1931 02:23:33.440 --> 02:23:35.719 where they were in contact with commissars at all times 1932 02:23:35.760 --> 02:23:39.559 and responsible for their people, but they weren't protected by 1933 02:23:40.360 --> 02:23:44.399 you know, the lar guests or the patronage of party men. 1934 02:23:44.559 --> 02:23:45.959 Like a good example would be, you know, like a 1935 02:23:46.040 --> 02:23:48.680 doctor at a hospital, you know who like like a 1936 02:23:48.760 --> 02:23:51.959 surgeon who was responsible for you know, more junior doctors 1937 02:23:52.000 --> 02:23:55.360 and nurses obviously, or like a professor of geology, you know, 1938 02:23:55.520 --> 02:23:56.920 or like a guy who worked at one of the 1939 02:23:57.000 --> 02:23:59.959 design bureaus, you know, like over seeing other engineers. You know. 1940 02:24:00.479 --> 02:24:05.559 He'd be under constant pressure of the commissars. You know 1941 02:24:05.680 --> 02:24:08.040 he is, and so it is, his whole family would 1942 02:24:08.040 --> 02:24:11.440 constantly be under surveillance. He'd be subjected to things like 1943 02:24:12.120 --> 02:24:15.319 you know, when people he worked closely with or taken 1944 02:24:15.360 --> 02:24:20.600 away and either executed summarily or sentenced to sentenced to 1945 02:24:20.680 --> 02:24:24.760 the death camp system. He'd be ordered he'd be directed 1946 02:24:24.799 --> 02:24:27.000 to sign a statement saying that he fully approved of 1947 02:24:27.079 --> 02:24:31.040 these measures. Against people who were engaged in countervolutionary activities, 1948 02:24:31.280 --> 02:24:35.000 regardless of his personal feelings about them. And like, over time, 1949 02:24:35.559 --> 02:24:40.760 this just broke people down, you know, and the workers 1950 02:24:40.799 --> 02:24:42.959 and pet the workers and peasants who supposed that the 1951 02:24:43.000 --> 02:24:51.959 Soviet state was directly was was was oriented towards, you know, 1952 02:24:52.120 --> 02:24:58.520 like elevating you know, these people, a huge amount of them, 1953 02:24:58.520 --> 02:24:59.959 and we'll get in some of these figures in a minute, 1954 02:25:01.120 --> 02:25:05.040 had cycled through the forced labor system and they and 1955 02:25:05.079 --> 02:25:07.760 they begin acting, They just they began behaving like convicts, 1956 02:25:08.440 --> 02:25:10.639 you know, in all in all the pathological ways that 1957 02:25:11.200 --> 02:25:12.920 you know people who are in and out of the 1958 02:25:12.920 --> 02:25:17.040 prison system do you know, And even if they didn't 1959 02:25:17.120 --> 02:25:21.079 have you know, pathologies going in despite being branded as criminals, 1960 02:25:21.120 --> 02:25:26.920 they certainly had them when they were released. And that's 1961 02:25:27.000 --> 02:25:31.200 what I mean, that's what's unique about Sovietism, and that's 1962 02:25:31.200 --> 02:25:36.280 what's unique about communism, you know. And the people who 1963 02:25:37.360 --> 02:25:39.239 I mean, it'd be easy for it it's either people 1964 02:25:39.239 --> 02:25:41.680 to say like, oh, well, that's their own fault. You know, 1965 02:25:41.719 --> 02:25:45.360 why weren't their cadres of people who who were who 1966 02:25:45.399 --> 02:25:49.879 were cultivating resistance to this, to this this regime, they 1967 02:25:49.920 --> 02:25:56.479 were all dead. They were slaughtered. The Soviets slaughtered ten 1968 02:25:56.600 --> 02:26:01.079 million people by the time by by, you know, before 1969 02:26:01.120 --> 02:26:03.760 a shot was fired in the World War, you know, 1970 02:26:03.799 --> 02:26:07.719 And that's nobody's all point. That people who were capable 1971 02:26:09.280 --> 02:26:17.520 of of harboring a conceptual vista of some alternative system. 1972 02:26:19.079 --> 02:26:22.920 They they they were, they were They were killed categorically 1973 02:26:23.360 --> 02:26:30.719 regardless of age, sex, overall health, national origin, because they 1974 02:26:30.760 --> 02:26:33.079 were the they were the standard. Even if they weren't 1975 02:26:33.079 --> 02:26:36.280 the standard bearers of the enemy idea, you know, they 1976 02:26:37.200 --> 02:26:39.239 they they weren't malleable in the way that they needed 1977 02:26:39.280 --> 02:26:42.200 to be. You know, the Khmarra rouge actually perfected this. 1978 02:26:42.840 --> 02:26:50.600 I think year zero is you know, left revisionists who 1979 02:26:51.559 --> 02:26:58.559 like Saratra, who actually understood Marci's Leninism. You know, they 1980 02:26:58.600 --> 02:27:04.440 were constantly trying to extricate the commute riage experience from 1981 02:27:04.840 --> 02:27:10.200 revolutionary communism as like a postulant to itself. This is 1982 02:27:10.280 --> 02:27:13.879 some bizarre outlier. This is an example of oriental barbarism. 1983 02:27:14.719 --> 02:27:18.319 You know, this has nothing to do with with with 1984 02:27:18.479 --> 02:27:21.680 with rational state behavior. You know, there's nothing being extra 1985 02:27:21.719 --> 02:27:24.200 away from that. He knew that that was not true, Okay, 1986 02:27:26.319 --> 02:27:30.959 aside from the kind of atavistic mythologies that you know, 1987 02:27:31.000 --> 02:27:34.319 the Khmer Rouge threw in to kind of woo the 1988 02:27:35.680 --> 02:27:41.000 the peasantry towards their perspective and you know, and whatever, 1989 02:27:41.280 --> 02:27:46.360 like racial mythologies that were emphasized when they were fighting 1990 02:27:46.440 --> 02:27:52.399 the Vietnamese like that. Notwithstanding, Paul Pott was actually a 1991 02:27:52.479 --> 02:27:58.200 very learned man and what he aside from the fact 1992 02:27:58.239 --> 02:28:06.680 that you know, Cambodia Democratic Campuccia, as it was so dubbed, 1993 02:28:06.719 --> 02:28:09.120 it was a was a backwater that was devoid of 1994 02:28:09.200 --> 02:28:12.959 the prayer, was an industry to facilitate, you know, the 1995 02:28:13.000 --> 02:28:16.639 realization of true communism. And in political terms, he was 1996 02:28:16.680 --> 02:28:21.799 absolutely a pure communist and that's what's required in order 1997 02:28:21.840 --> 02:28:27.840 to facilitate its realization that it's not an outlier in 1998 02:28:27.879 --> 02:28:38.399 the least, and people who are honest, like orthodox Marxists 1999 02:28:39.159 --> 02:28:46.520 who remained in you know, Moscow adjacent after the after 2000 02:28:46.680 --> 02:28:51.920 you know, the ninety sixty schism. They it's subtle, but 2001 02:28:52.000 --> 02:28:54.680 it's there, like they acknowledge that I find this fascinating, 2002 02:28:55.680 --> 02:28:58.440 but not for the reason something like the think, no, 2003 02:28:58.639 --> 02:29:01.520 not merely sucking wave it around as some you know, 2004 02:29:01.680 --> 02:29:05.280 gotcha like I obviously it's like grotesque people think that way, 2005 02:29:05.399 --> 02:29:12.600 but it's it's entirely consistent with uh, the overall paradig 2006 02:29:12.639 --> 02:29:18.360 I mean, it would be dishonest for anyone who describes 2007 02:29:18.479 --> 02:29:27.360 that perspective to claim otherwise. But you know, the end 2008 02:29:27.440 --> 02:29:32.239 result as all these points too, when you're talking about 2009 02:29:32.280 --> 02:29:38.680 these monumental ideas, you know, there you can just look 2010 02:29:38.719 --> 02:29:41.959 at them as historical contingencies. You know, you've got to 2011 02:29:41.959 --> 02:29:45.079 look at them as not just as as as as 2012 02:29:45.200 --> 02:29:52.479 causal as ultimate causal variables in and of themselves, but 2013 02:29:52.959 --> 02:30:03.079 as phenomena that uh, it's that, but phenomena that endure 2014 02:30:03.600 --> 02:30:10.280 until their full realization or until they are annihilated because 2015 02:30:10.360 --> 02:30:15.680 the the because the bearers of the idea are annihilated. 2016 02:30:15.799 --> 02:30:21.079 I mentioned material of it. The purpose of communism is 2017 02:30:21.120 --> 02:30:26.879 to realize communism. It's not just to alleviate tensions inherent 2018 02:30:27.000 --> 02:30:34.200 to you know, opposing classes amidst historically he wal, It's 2019 02:30:34.239 --> 02:30:37.479 not just a way to you know, kind of placate 2020 02:30:37.879 --> 02:30:42.479 a radicalized proletariat, you know, in the short term and 2021 02:30:43.799 --> 02:30:48.799 until you know, some sort of new structure that has 2022 02:30:48.840 --> 02:30:51.639 more equitable outcomes can be realized. Like the point of 2023 02:30:51.680 --> 02:30:56.479 it quite literally is it's it's self contained realization. And 2024 02:30:57.920 --> 02:31:03.440 the end result of the Communist center prizes is the 2025 02:31:03.520 --> 02:31:09.879 eradication of culture. And that was the great horror in 2026 02:31:09.959 --> 02:31:13.959 the minds of all who opposed it. And you know, 2027 02:31:14.040 --> 02:31:17.600 like I said, one of the only meaningful things in 2028 02:31:17.680 --> 02:31:21.239 absolute terms you can take from my comf is when 2029 02:31:21.319 --> 02:31:25.200 Hitler says that a Bolshevis planet is a plan without culture, 2030 02:31:25.639 --> 02:31:30.000 where all men you know, live basically as basically as 2031 02:31:30.040 --> 02:31:32.879 animals with the power of speech. You know, and the 2032 02:31:33.079 --> 02:31:37.239 or the earth is uh the the the earth is 2033 02:31:37.920 --> 02:31:43.680 basically this, you know, this ball of mud like spinning 2034 02:31:43.719 --> 02:31:47.600 through the void, with no with no with no higher life. 2035 02:31:48.319 --> 02:31:53.040 You know, everything you associate with culture, the from the 2036 02:31:53.079 --> 02:31:56.600 comparatively prosaic is the most profound no longer exists. You know, 2037 02:31:57.120 --> 02:32:01.840 it's it's it's the world as labor. You know, there 2038 02:32:01.920 --> 02:32:05.319 is no past, there's no future, there's only the present. 2039 02:32:05.879 --> 02:32:09.719 And you know the realization of work quotas or you know, 2040 02:32:09.760 --> 02:32:17.079 the homogenization of life such that it's rendered indistinguishable. But 2041 02:32:17.319 --> 02:32:21.879 for you know geographic location, which anymore has no meaning 2042 02:32:21.920 --> 02:32:26.159 other than you know, the signature on a map. And 2043 02:32:30.200 --> 02:32:34.760 that much much as people might have misanthropic fantasies about 2044 02:32:34.920 --> 02:32:37.319 Earth without people. I think those are actually like some 2045 02:32:37.479 --> 02:32:41.159 corny show. Like decades ago, it was like it was 2046 02:32:41.239 --> 02:32:43.680 like Earth without people or like the world without man, 2047 02:32:44.200 --> 02:32:47.440 and it was I think it was not discovery or something. 2048 02:32:47.639 --> 02:32:53.159 I forget the tangent, and it was you know, there 2049 02:32:53.280 --> 02:32:58.639 was these like cgi rendered landscapes where uh, you know, 2050 02:32:58.760 --> 02:33:01.280 like skyscrapers are all over grown and and just like 2051 02:33:01.399 --> 02:33:03.680 animals or have free reign and there's no more man 2052 02:33:03.760 --> 02:33:08.920 to you know, corrupt like the pure sanity in nature 2053 02:33:09.040 --> 02:33:11.879 or something. But that you know, people have this idea 2054 02:33:12.000 --> 02:33:16.319 that somehow like without like the without without the human 2055 02:33:16.399 --> 02:33:19.479 mind to perceive things, that these things might may well 2056 02:33:19.520 --> 02:33:24.399 as not not exist. You know, I'm a sure go 2057 02:33:24.399 --> 02:33:27.040 without saying, but it's I think it's like the way 2058 02:33:27.079 --> 02:33:28.920 people like can imagine like what their own funeral would 2059 02:33:28.920 --> 02:33:32.239 look like because if they have some kind of some 2060 02:33:32.399 --> 02:33:34.760 kind of vantage point or something, you know, and and 2061 02:33:35.120 --> 02:33:38.200 and in the terms you would you know, as in 2062 02:33:39.559 --> 02:33:42.280 you know, and and as a as a living human 2063 02:33:42.360 --> 02:33:44.079 with you know, optic nerves and things. 2064 02:33:44.600 --> 02:33:47.760 But let mean you you said that the purpose of 2065 02:33:47.840 --> 02:33:52.159 communism is its realization. What's the purpose of national socialism? 2066 02:33:55.479 --> 02:34:03.239 The posterity of the of the voc and more immediately, 2067 02:34:04.840 --> 02:34:07.639 That's what I'm gonna get into when uh, this pod 2068 02:34:07.719 --> 02:34:14.520 series is gonna do the regeneration of the European form 2069 02:34:14.559 --> 02:34:19.079 of life to meet the challenges of the twenty first century, 2070 02:34:20.239 --> 02:34:29.680 you know too render its mentioned material competitive at least 2071 02:34:29.719 --> 02:34:36.479 able to survive onslaught by what Hitler identified as you know, 2072 02:34:36.559 --> 02:34:43.799 kind of like the nasc and Anglo Saxon hegemony or hegemon. 2073 02:34:46.479 --> 02:34:50.440 Hitler accurately. That's another thing about it about the same 2074 02:34:50.440 --> 02:34:56.000 as book that I think needs to be emphasized. Hitler 2075 02:34:56.120 --> 02:35:02.280 was incredibly and he he knew exactly what was underway 2076 02:35:02.360 --> 02:35:05.719 in terms of the strategic historical situation. And the second 2077 02:35:05.760 --> 02:35:10.360 book makes the point that America contains about fully fifty 2078 02:35:10.399 --> 02:35:14.000 percent of the world's like actual like capital and resources. 2079 02:35:14.680 --> 02:35:20.600 You know, he says that once fully mobilized America will 2080 02:35:20.639 --> 02:35:25.200 be unstoppable. He said, it will be unlike any hedgemond 2081 02:35:25.200 --> 02:35:28.559 in the world's ever seen. And he said that, you know, 2082 02:35:30.879 --> 02:35:39.200 unless unless some sort of total regeneration occurs in Europe. 2083 02:35:40.520 --> 02:35:43.520 He wasn't talking in some kind of strasserist notion of 2084 02:35:43.920 --> 02:35:46.399 you know, like the United States of Europe like literally 2085 02:35:46.559 --> 02:35:52.040 like a palogenetic revival of the race, you know, and 2086 02:35:52.120 --> 02:35:55.360 he had Hitler had no use for petted nationalism, but 2087 02:35:56.440 --> 02:36:00.040 his idea of a European superpower is very different. And 2088 02:36:00.120 --> 02:36:02.479 what people like Distress were suggested, is my point. But 2089 02:36:03.680 --> 02:36:07.639 he said that, you know, unless this happens, assuming that 2090 02:36:07.799 --> 02:36:12.840 assuming Germany could fend off a Soviet assault, which at 2091 02:36:13.000 --> 02:36:17.280 present then present being you know, nineteen thirty three, it 2092 02:36:17.479 --> 02:36:20.520 could not. But he said, even if it could, he 2093 02:36:20.639 --> 02:36:23.840 said that Europe would basically become, you know, the battleground 2094 02:36:23.879 --> 02:36:26.559 between the United States and the Soviet Union for world 2095 02:36:26.600 --> 02:36:29.920 of gemity, which is exactly what happened. And he said that, 2096 02:36:30.399 --> 02:36:32.920 you know, the danger of the Soviet Union is the 2097 02:36:33.000 --> 02:36:35.680 danger that's always when presented by Europe, which is essentially 2098 02:36:35.959 --> 02:36:41.479 an indefensible peninsula, you know, populated by a world minority 2099 02:36:43.000 --> 02:36:51.159 of peoples facing uh without without any without any you know, 2100 02:36:51.200 --> 02:36:53.639 there's no Sahara desert in Europe. There's no sort of 2101 02:36:53.719 --> 02:37:01.159 like natural rampart. You know. They're the you know, the 2102 02:37:01.360 --> 02:37:08.159 the immediate physical threat the European civilization is the billion 2103 02:37:08.280 --> 02:37:12.360 strong hordes of the of the Barbarian East, you know. 2104 02:37:12.520 --> 02:37:17.799 But he said that this is you know, the uh, 2105 02:37:18.680 --> 02:37:23.799 the the graver like absolute like literally global threat is 2106 02:37:25.840 --> 02:37:31.719 is America, you know, because it's it's a complete because 2107 02:37:31.959 --> 02:37:36.639 it's completely it completely like neutralizes everything people had there 2108 02:37:36.680 --> 02:37:42.079 to be taken for granted about hard power and the 2109 02:37:42.239 --> 02:37:45.559 capacity to marshall capital and the service of hard power. 2110 02:37:47.239 --> 02:37:52.639 How he viewed the American people is nuanced and fascinatingly 2111 02:37:52.879 --> 02:37:57.799 and Sims gets into this too, despite this kind of 2112 02:37:57.879 --> 02:38:03.360 like like this liberal fixation with like, oh, Hitler was 2113 02:38:03.399 --> 02:38:06.559 a Confederate and he loved slavery and hated black people. 2114 02:38:07.120 --> 02:38:09.360 There said almost nothing about black people other than that. 2115 02:38:09.440 --> 02:38:14.920 He said that transplanting you know, one hundreds of thousands 2116 02:38:14.959 --> 02:38:18.559 of African slaves to the New World, he said, was 2117 02:38:20.840 --> 02:38:26.840 he said, was something that reminiscent of an artifact of 2118 02:38:26.879 --> 02:38:30.239 a barbaric civilization. And he said it was beneath America 2119 02:38:30.319 --> 02:38:36.239 to do that and totally unnecessary, you know. He admired 2120 02:38:36.280 --> 02:38:41.760 the kind of northern industrial might of the Union. He 2121 02:38:44.159 --> 02:38:51.120 said that, you know, the cream of German racial stock, 2122 02:38:52.120 --> 02:38:54.399 the tune of five point nine million people over a 2123 02:38:54.479 --> 02:38:58.840 few centuries, had emirrated to America. He's like these people 2124 02:38:58.920 --> 02:39:06.879 in the backbone of American power, you know. And he 2125 02:39:06.959 --> 02:39:09.200 said that, uh, you know, some of the best of 2126 02:39:11.360 --> 02:39:14.920 of a of the anglophone leadership cast has sort of 2127 02:39:14.959 --> 02:39:18.760 like assimilated them into their own ranks. Like he's basically 2128 02:39:18.799 --> 02:39:20.719 saying like this is this is a recipe for utterly 2129 02:39:20.840 --> 02:39:27.639 like unstoppable power and like full spectrum dominance like economic, military, cultural, 2130 02:39:28.840 --> 02:39:32.680 and every can seeable way, you know. But he said 2131 02:39:32.719 --> 02:39:36.520 that there's like an underlying rootlessness there that's ring which 2132 02:39:36.559 --> 02:39:42.680 been co opted, you know, by a Jewish modernist perspective. 2133 02:39:44.680 --> 02:39:47.799 This is different than the threat. It's different but related 2134 02:39:47.920 --> 02:39:53.680 in terms of a constellation of of of of Zeitgeist 2135 02:39:53.719 --> 02:39:58.440 related factors, like writ large, it's different than you know, 2136 02:39:58.719 --> 02:40:01.639 the Soviet threat, but it's it's derived from the same 2137 02:40:03.520 --> 02:40:09.239 it's derived from the same historical crisis. Okay. And he 2138 02:40:09.360 --> 02:40:11.200 makes the point in the second book that it's not 2139 02:40:11.360 --> 02:40:14.799 accidental that, you know, Americanism and Sovietism will like find 2140 02:40:14.879 --> 02:40:18.440 common cost for limited purposes because they're not actually manikey 2141 02:40:18.520 --> 02:40:23.239 in opposites. There's a there's irreconcilele differences between them, you know, 2142 02:40:23.319 --> 02:40:26.680 he said, giving conditions to parody, they destroy each other. 2143 02:40:27.520 --> 02:40:30.079 But but they're they're not like moratal enemies or something, 2144 02:40:30.520 --> 02:40:35.440 you know, in absolute terms. And but that's I didn't 2145 02:40:35.479 --> 02:40:37.840 mean to go so far like a field, but it's 2146 02:40:39.280 --> 02:40:43.600 the uh what I did want to get a little 2147 02:40:43.600 --> 02:40:46.559 bit into. When if I'm jumping around a bit, a 2148 02:40:46.639 --> 02:40:52.879 lot of people over uh over email and whatnot, they've 2149 02:40:52.879 --> 02:40:57.840 been asking in comparative terms about like to what degree 2150 02:41:00.079 --> 02:41:02.959 like the Soviet Union had like a camp system. And 2151 02:41:03.120 --> 02:41:06.440 I make the point and I'm we're lying on Robert 2152 02:41:06.520 --> 02:41:12.040 Conquest for this. The Soviets had a death camp system 2153 02:41:12.159 --> 02:41:18.440 rit large. Its purpose was to categorically exterminate people. There 2154 02:41:18.479 --> 02:41:23.120 were there were hundreds of these camps purpose towards that 2155 02:41:23.440 --> 02:41:31.559 end in the frozen you know, tundra of h what 2156 02:41:31.760 --> 02:41:35.440 was the Soviet Far East. This is the territory I 2157 02:41:35.520 --> 02:41:39.360 mean for people came to like geology and you know 2158 02:41:39.479 --> 02:41:42.200 that like or a science and stuff. I mean, this 2159 02:41:42.360 --> 02:41:47.520 is uh, this is literally you know, like the ice age, 2160 02:41:47.600 --> 02:41:50.159 you know, like World Island. You know, this is where 2161 02:41:50.239 --> 02:41:54.879 the this is the this is where the polar bear develops. 2162 02:41:54.959 --> 02:41:58.760 This is the this is where mammoths stalked the land, 2163 02:41:59.399 --> 02:42:03.360 you know, until fifty thousand years ago or whatever. You know, 2164 02:42:05.440 --> 02:42:10.040 Conquest called it an empire of camps that existed from 2165 02:42:10.120 --> 02:42:14.760 nineteen thirty one until approximately nineteen fifty seven. And I 2166 02:42:14.840 --> 02:42:20.399 mean the scale of this, uh in nineteen thirty mid 2167 02:42:20.520 --> 02:42:25.760 nineteen thirty, as this as the security apparatus was sort 2168 02:42:25.799 --> 02:42:31.959 of consolidating and leaving behind the revolutionary phase and developing 2169 02:42:32.000 --> 02:42:35.479 into a like a true kind of penal system, an 2170 02:42:35.559 --> 02:42:46.639 extermination system to categorically manipulate population outcomes in mortal mortal terms. 2171 02:42:49.680 --> 02:42:54.639 By that point, the OGPU was the precurs of the 2172 02:42:54.719 --> 02:42:58.399 NKVS with the precursor to the KGB. It was constantly 2173 02:42:58.440 --> 02:43:03.719 reconstituting itself in these days, is which I believe it 2174 02:43:03.840 --> 02:43:08.760 was very purposeful to make it difficult to identify what 2175 02:43:09.079 --> 02:43:16.000 series of responsibility were in the the The communists were 2176 02:43:16.040 --> 02:43:19.520 singularly obsessed with manipulating the historical record for reasons that 2177 02:43:19.559 --> 02:43:21.760 are obvious. I mean we've before, we've been talking about 2178 02:43:21.760 --> 02:43:27.159 this past hour, but you know this was uh, I 2179 02:43:27.239 --> 02:43:30.120 mean Stalin famously literally you know, like would redact people 2180 02:43:30.200 --> 02:43:33.799 from the record, you know, only photographic evidence of them. 2181 02:43:34.040 --> 02:43:38.520 But one of the reasons why, I mean any rigorous 2182 02:43:38.559 --> 02:43:44.760 historian really like it's if I understand that, if anything, 2183 02:43:44.879 --> 02:43:49.520 the the death soul presented even by rigorous revisionists like 2184 02:43:49.680 --> 02:43:58.319 Conquest is understated. But superficially, this kind of contant manipulation 2185 02:43:58.520 --> 02:44:06.319 of vernacular and nomenclature provided provided the Soviets with an alibi. 2186 02:44:06.760 --> 02:44:09.639 And there and there are stortbell apologies today and in 2187 02:44:10.000 --> 02:44:13.559 some sense despite the abiquity of information that it has 2188 02:44:14.680 --> 02:44:17.920 the same function. But what's an arguable is that by 2189 02:44:18.000 --> 02:44:20.479 mid nineteen thirty there's approximately one hundred and forty thousand 2190 02:44:20.520 --> 02:44:27.239 prisoners already in these camps run by the GPU. Initially 2191 02:44:27.600 --> 02:44:30.680 these sort of huge labor projects, the first of which 2192 02:44:30.879 --> 02:44:35.920 was digging a canal from connecting the White seat of 2193 02:44:35.959 --> 02:44:40.959 the Baltic which, for perspective this alone required well over 2194 02:44:41.000 --> 02:44:49.920 one hundred thousand lavers. Okay, and what better way to 2195 02:44:50.799 --> 02:44:59.000 avail a labor pool, and you know, to to to 2196 02:44:59.159 --> 02:45:01.879 capture tens of thousandans of of of able bodied men 2197 02:45:03.239 --> 02:45:06.719 you know who either are categorized as you know, putical 2198 02:45:06.840 --> 02:45:11.559 unreliables or members of ethnic groups that have been you know, 2199 02:45:12.120 --> 02:45:16.559 determined to be you know, unassimilable or or resistant to 2200 02:45:18.879 --> 02:45:22.760 you know, the uh, the kind of a de ethnic 2201 02:45:22.959 --> 02:45:28.200 ethnicfication of people's you know, you you can brand these 2202 02:45:28.239 --> 02:45:31.399 many criminals and then you know, you can essentially work 2203 02:45:31.440 --> 02:45:35.920 them to death on these on these massive public work projects, 2204 02:45:36.079 --> 02:45:39.440 you know, as as slaves literally even worse. I mean, 2205 02:45:39.479 --> 02:45:42.239 they're spendables. You know, you don't you don't work your 2206 02:45:42.280 --> 02:45:47.559 slaves to death, you know, if I under you know, 2207 02:45:48.120 --> 02:45:56.719 under ordinary conditions of a channel slavery. But from nineteen 2208 02:45:56.799 --> 02:46:00.600 thirty onward, the number of peoples even some kind of 2209 02:46:00.639 --> 02:46:11.440 custodial sentence just astronomically rose. In nineteen twenty nine there 2210 02:46:11.520 --> 02:46:15.440 was summerly fifty and sixty thousand people who were sentenced 2211 02:46:16.000 --> 02:46:20.719 by the OGPU. A year later this was there was 2212 02:46:20.799 --> 02:46:25.440 over two hundred thousand, But in nineteen thirty one it 2213 02:46:25.600 --> 02:46:29.360 was one million, two hundred and thirty thousand. I mean, 2214 02:46:29.440 --> 02:46:34.600 this is this is astronomical, okay. And we're talking about 2215 02:46:34.959 --> 02:46:36.879 you know, we're not talking about a matter of decades. 2216 02:46:36.879 --> 02:46:39.079 We're talking about the span of a year. You know, 2217 02:46:40.479 --> 02:46:46.159 the camp the population in these camps, you know, labor 2218 02:46:46.239 --> 02:46:51.520 camps and death camps, you know, increasing fivefold over you know, 2219 02:46:51.639 --> 02:47:00.520 a million people there was within this far eastern camp system. 2220 02:47:01.680 --> 02:47:04.120 There's between one hundred and one hundred and sixty camps 2221 02:47:04.120 --> 02:47:07.840 at any given time. This absolutely dwarfs the camp system 2222 02:47:07.840 --> 02:47:11.840 that the Third Reich, I mean, absolutely dwarfs it. Even 2223 02:47:11.879 --> 02:47:16.280 if you accept at face value everything alleged a numberg. 2224 02:47:16.959 --> 02:47:20.360 You know, it's it's it's it's comparing an ant to 2225 02:47:20.440 --> 02:47:26.959 an elephant. The o GPU further in nineteen thirty two, 2226 02:47:27.079 --> 02:47:34.840 absorbed seven hundred small penal colonies and and uh jails 2227 02:47:34.879 --> 02:47:38.239 and prisons you know, where the people have been serving 2228 02:47:38.280 --> 02:47:47.200 sentences from anything from petty theft to homicide. These camps 2229 02:47:47.360 --> 02:47:49.719 and prisons have formerly been run by what it's called 2230 02:47:49.719 --> 02:47:55.159 the People's Commissariat of Justice, and OGPU declared that, you know, 2231 02:47:55.959 --> 02:47:59.440 these were being inefficiently administered, so they absorbed you know, 2232 02:48:00.159 --> 02:48:04.200 what amounted to the conventional you know, prison population and 2233 02:48:06.200 --> 02:48:10.559 began working these people to death, you know, on these 2234 02:48:10.559 --> 02:48:18.399 public works projects. On January first, in New Year's Day, 2235 02:48:18.440 --> 02:48:23.760 nineteen thirty five, this newly unified system, according to Soviet records, 2236 02:48:24.639 --> 02:48:29.200 there was nine one thousand prisoners in it. Over seven 2237 02:48:29.239 --> 02:48:31.680 hundred thousand are in work camps and two hundred and 2238 02:48:31.719 --> 02:48:35.760 forty thousand are in work colonies. Now, mind you, and 2239 02:48:36.760 --> 02:48:39.159 reading between the lines and kind of was made this point. 2240 02:48:41.399 --> 02:48:45.360 There was these discrete, smaller units, and there's no explanation 2241 02:48:46.040 --> 02:48:49.600 for why they were so organized. Presumably that's where actual 2242 02:48:49.719 --> 02:48:54.600 dangerous criminals were housed. But everybody else, the oldly majority, 2243 02:48:54.639 --> 02:48:59.319 had done nothing at all wrong. But everything in the 2244 02:48:59.399 --> 02:49:02.680 Soviet Union under what was called Article fifty eight will 2245 02:49:02.879 --> 02:49:08.799 just catch all penal law. Absenteeism from work was a crime. 2246 02:49:10.000 --> 02:49:16.600 Destroying Soviet property was a crime. Poganism, which translates approximately 2247 02:49:16.719 --> 02:49:20.559 to like disorderly conduct, that was a crime. You know. 2248 02:49:20.760 --> 02:49:23.959 So that's one of the reasons why I get really 2249 02:49:24.040 --> 02:49:30.000 really irritated when people who some of them don't know 2250 02:49:30.040 --> 02:49:33.760 any better, I guess even in our own circles like talk, 2251 02:49:34.000 --> 02:49:38.879 they refer to people as criminals. I'm like, don't. I'm like, don't, 2252 02:49:39.120 --> 02:49:43.239 don't start doing that. Okay. I mean, maybe I feel 2253 02:49:43.280 --> 02:49:49.920 strong about this one background, but you've lost your kind 2254 02:49:49.959 --> 02:49:53.479 of grounded this when you start calling people criminals or 2255 02:49:53.520 --> 02:50:04.879 some categorical elements. Okay, but you know, for perspective, this 2256 02:50:05.200 --> 02:50:08.639 was that this this this this was well known. You know. 2257 02:50:08.680 --> 02:50:11.799 One of the things people that attacked Nolty and his 2258 02:50:11.959 --> 02:50:16.680 thesis claiming like, oh, nobody knew it was underway in 2259 02:50:16.719 --> 02:50:19.079 the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was a nascent superpower, 2260 02:50:20.920 --> 02:50:25.079 and this was it was nothing like today, but film 2261 02:50:25.239 --> 02:50:31.760 was ubiquitous. There was an international newswire. You know, It's 2262 02:50:31.799 --> 02:50:35.000 not like Moscow was thousands of miles away from Europe. 2263 02:50:35.920 --> 02:50:42.760 This is well known, you know, people and people, uh, 2264 02:50:44.440 --> 02:50:49.319 these cadres who had fought in Bavaria, you know, and 2265 02:50:49.440 --> 02:50:52.920 in the Baltic against the Free Corps. I mean, these 2266 02:50:53.000 --> 02:50:56.639 people would have been trained in the Soviet Union, you know. 2267 02:50:56.840 --> 02:51:01.879 The for the more, you know, by nineteen thirty six 2268 02:51:02.239 --> 02:51:06.959 there was a truly international proxy conflict in Spain. You know, 2269 02:51:09.239 --> 02:51:14.159 this this idea that information somehow was was quarantined, you know, 2270 02:51:14.239 --> 02:51:16.440 and didn't cross national frontiers. I mean that, that's that, 2271 02:51:16.520 --> 02:51:22.520 that's laughable, you know, it's this was this is common knowledge, 2272 02:51:23.520 --> 02:51:27.799 you know. And plus I mean how exactly you know, 2273 02:51:29.319 --> 02:51:34.440 one hundred thousands of people over the words of the decade, 2274 02:51:34.559 --> 02:51:38.040 millions of people were categorically disappearing. You think people weren't 2275 02:51:38.079 --> 02:51:44.120 noticing that, you know, upon the Soviet assault on Poland, 2276 02:51:45.079 --> 02:51:48.000 you know, a huge number about a quartering onlyion polls 2277 02:51:48.079 --> 02:51:52.239 disappeared in once you know, not just because I mean 2278 02:51:52.280 --> 02:51:55.559 that the Russians there were there was there was ethnic 2279 02:51:55.639 --> 02:52:03.239 hostility between the Russians and Poles anyway, that was arguably 2280 02:52:03.280 --> 02:52:05.360 as severe as that between you know that the Germans 2281 02:52:05.399 --> 02:52:06.959 and the Polls, or the Poles and the Jews, or 2282 02:52:06.959 --> 02:52:12.639 the Germans and the Jews. But you know you think, uh, people, 2283 02:52:13.399 --> 02:52:19.319 people weren't noticing that. You know, the tens of thousands 2284 02:52:19.399 --> 02:52:23.520 of Poles were just disappearing. Their entire officer corps just disappeared, 2285 02:52:23.920 --> 02:52:27.399 you know, the entire like Warsaw clergy just disappeared. I 2286 02:52:27.479 --> 02:52:30.360 mean like, but it's I'm not trying to be up 2287 02:52:30.399 --> 02:52:32.959 to so like mak it out like it's funny or something, 2288 02:52:33.399 --> 02:52:37.600 you know, or every flippant rather about these kinds of 2289 02:52:37.639 --> 02:52:40.959 human tragedies. But it's it's it's like a non argument. 2290 02:52:41.040 --> 02:52:45.399 It's not it's it's on its face, it's it's laughable. 2291 02:52:46.360 --> 02:52:52.879 But the uh, you know, I I epaesize this too, 2292 02:52:52.959 --> 02:52:55.079 And I mean again, I the first person make the 2293 02:52:55.120 --> 02:52:57.879 point that it's not you know, like a like a 2294 02:52:57.959 --> 02:53:01.520 his or historical revisionism is not some kind of numbers game, 2295 02:53:02.360 --> 02:53:09.040 but because what is in contention is the degree of 2296 02:53:09.079 --> 02:53:13.120 attrition in comparative terms. And this really was not just 2297 02:53:13.200 --> 02:53:16.079 the subtext but kind of the part of the core 2298 02:53:16.200 --> 02:53:22.799 controversy of the historical striketh. I want people to contemplate 2299 02:53:23.200 --> 02:53:27.879 again the degree with which the Soviet can't apparatus utterly 2300 02:53:28.120 --> 02:53:34.280 dwarfed that of the German Reich, and like Nolty said, 2301 02:53:34.440 --> 02:53:38.520 other than other than homicidal gas chambers, the degree to 2302 02:53:38.520 --> 02:53:40.280 which they were employed is arguable. I don't want to 2303 02:53:40.319 --> 02:53:43.479 get into that in this series, not because I'm afraid 2304 02:53:43.520 --> 02:53:46.239 to or something reverse to. We can talk about Fred 2305 02:53:46.319 --> 02:53:53.000 Leuchter and Robert Farreson and the entire controversy if people 2306 02:53:53.040 --> 02:53:56.479 want to. But that's but the point is, even if 2307 02:53:57.000 --> 02:53:59.959 you accept all of that at face value, every single 2308 02:54:00.280 --> 02:54:05.879 thing that the Third Reich did was precedented by the 2309 02:54:05.959 --> 02:54:10.200 Soviet Union, with the exception of homicidal gas chambers employed 2310 02:54:10.200 --> 02:54:18.920 against civilian populations. So the entire kind of notion of 2311 02:54:19.360 --> 02:54:23.040 oh Saundervig led to this unique and intractable evil. Just 2312 02:54:23.239 --> 02:54:26.479 look at you know, look look at the Third Reich. 2313 02:54:26.600 --> 02:54:29.399 This this regime that existed for the sole purpose of 2314 02:54:30.079 --> 02:54:34.680 realizing a homicidal conspiracy. I mean, it's it's laughable. I mean, 2315 02:54:34.719 --> 02:54:37.920 it's there's something funny about it, but it's it's preposterous. Rather, 2316 02:54:41.000 --> 02:54:45.920 that's about this. I got some more stuff to say 2317 02:54:45.920 --> 02:54:51.959 about this, but I don't want to. I would you 2318 02:54:52.000 --> 02:54:56.719 be agreeable or amenable if we did a part four 2319 02:54:56.760 --> 02:55:00.280 about we fielded questions from subscribers and I could just 2320 02:55:00.319 --> 02:55:01.959 kind of tie up loose ends. Man, I don't want 2321 02:55:02.000 --> 02:55:05.680 to tell you your business with content. Okay, Yeah, I 2322 02:55:05.799 --> 02:55:09.879 appreciate that, man, And I hope this wasn't too lake scattershot, 2323 02:55:11.399 --> 02:55:12.719 but yeah, I prefer that, man. 2324 02:55:13.719 --> 02:55:17.840 Okay, yeah, we'll do that. We'll schedule that. Do your 2325 02:55:17.879 --> 02:55:19.440 plugs and blendles. 2326 02:55:22.360 --> 02:55:24.879 You can always find me on my website. It's Thomas 2327 02:55:24.959 --> 02:55:27.760 seven seven seven dot com, number seven h on the 2328 02:55:27.879 --> 02:55:31.079 S seven seven seven dot com. You can find me 2329 02:55:31.280 --> 02:55:40.200 on Twitter. It's a at real Thomas at Capital r 2330 02:55:40.239 --> 02:55:44.639 E A L underscore number seven H on a S 2331 02:55:46.159 --> 02:55:56.159 seven seven seven. I'm on Instagram. My main My main 2332 02:55:56.239 --> 02:55:58.559 platform is substack. If you can find my long form 2333 02:55:58.639 --> 02:56:07.000 stuff and the podcast, and you can find me on 2334 02:56:07.079 --> 02:56:11.600 YouTube it's at Thomas TV. Also excuse me. Also links 2335 02:56:11.639 --> 02:56:15.399 from my website alwayso links from substack seeking you shall 2336 02:56:15.440 --> 02:56:24.479 find I'm I I dropped a video sit rep today 2337 02:56:24.559 --> 02:56:27.120 on my substack, not because I love hearing myself talk, 2338 02:56:27.200 --> 02:56:30.520 but I felt I owed the subscribers an explanation for 2339 02:56:30.639 --> 02:56:37.120 kind of where we're going with things, So I, if 2340 02:56:37.159 --> 02:56:42.000 you are a subscriber, please check that out. I take 2341 02:56:42.040 --> 02:56:46.040 this very seriously and very personally, and I do not 2342 02:56:46.120 --> 02:56:48.479 take a granted the love and support I get from 2343 02:56:48.520 --> 02:56:53.360 all of your people's. It's it's tremendous, Okay, but that's 2344 02:56:53.440 --> 02:56:54.040 that's all I got. 2345 02:56:55.840 --> 02:57:00.600 Same. We have some great people on our side. Thomas. 2346 02:57:01.079 --> 02:57:01.600 Yeah, I think I. 2347 02:57:03.399 --> 02:57:07.520 Want to welcome everyone back to the Pekana Show. Hey, Thomas, 2348 02:57:07.559 --> 02:57:08.079 how are you dead? 2349 02:57:08.399 --> 02:57:09.879 Oh no, well thanks for hosting. 2350 02:57:11.000 --> 02:57:13.479 Yeah. Are are we going to finish up on Nulty today? 2351 02:57:14.159 --> 02:57:19.000 Yeah? I wanted to talk about current events a little bit. 2352 02:57:19.680 --> 02:57:23.239 I mean, not just for their own stake, but how 2353 02:57:23.959 --> 02:57:31.840 they relate to how they relate to Nolty's model of 2354 02:57:32.239 --> 02:57:38.120 their paradigm of historicism. Nolte said and something that I 2355 02:57:38.239 --> 02:57:41.440 think should have been more deeply controversial, not should have 2356 02:57:41.520 --> 02:57:43.280 been in the sense I think that what he said 2357 02:57:43.440 --> 02:57:45.879 was was wrong in any way, but it goes to 2358 02:57:45.959 --> 02:57:51.719 show you that as kind of anglophone academy has eclipsed 2359 02:57:53.040 --> 02:57:59.840 the continent. You know, people don't really pay attention to 2360 02:58:00.120 --> 02:58:03.520 continal philosophy, and in the way that they do, you know, 2361 02:58:05.319 --> 02:58:10.559 kind of anglophone treatments of ethics and things. You know, 2362 02:58:10.680 --> 02:58:15.280 both in concrete terms is applied to the world situation 2363 02:58:15.440 --> 02:58:18.840 in any given moment, but also in more abstract terms, 2364 02:58:18.920 --> 02:58:22.200 you know, postulating, you know, what is a legitimate active state, 2365 02:58:22.360 --> 02:58:29.600 you know, what is permissible under conditions of war, things 2366 02:58:29.680 --> 02:58:33.360 like that. Something I think was more at least more 2367 02:58:33.440 --> 02:58:38.079 sweeping in terms of what was being asserted than what 2368 02:58:38.399 --> 02:58:44.120 was postulated during the historical strike was an Oldie's nineteen 2369 02:58:44.200 --> 02:58:46.000 ninety one book. It was It was a history of 2370 02:58:46.440 --> 02:58:51.760 the twentieth century, okay, from essentially a right Hegelian perspective, 2371 02:58:52.719 --> 02:58:59.639 and specifically specifically he talked about how the common nucleus 2372 02:58:59.680 --> 02:59:07.440 of acts and historical phenomenon gave rise to three totally 2373 02:59:07.520 --> 02:59:12.159 abnormal political cultures, and that was the Soviet Union, the 2374 02:59:12.280 --> 02:59:15.799 Third Reich in Israel and a lot of people in 2375 02:59:15.879 --> 02:59:18.840 this country, not so much in Europe for reasons that 2376 02:59:18.879 --> 02:59:22.840 should be obvious, but a lot to people must understand 2377 02:59:22.879 --> 02:59:25.920 what Israel is like. I'm not saying that I'm speaking 2378 02:59:26.079 --> 02:59:29.079 in purely objective terms, not at all punatively. I think 2379 02:59:29.120 --> 02:59:31.399 they few Israel like they do like the independent state 2380 02:59:31.440 --> 02:59:34.600 of Croatia or something, or like they view you know, 2381 02:59:35.440 --> 02:59:38.079 even Ukraine like some kind of they think, Oh, a 2382 02:59:38.120 --> 02:59:40.280 bunch of a bunch of Jewish people lived in the 2383 02:59:40.319 --> 02:59:42.799 Middle East and decided they wanted their own state. That's 2384 02:59:42.879 --> 02:59:46.840 not how it developed. And it's also why there's tensions 2385 02:59:46.920 --> 02:59:53.239 between you know, the ruling Leekud regime contra you know 2386 02:59:53.799 --> 02:59:56.280 who the people they call the ultra Orthodox, as well 2387 02:59:56.280 --> 03:00:00.360 as others. Like Zionism. Isn't just this organic move of 2388 03:00:00.600 --> 03:00:03.360 you know, like nationalists mighty Jewish people indigenous to the 2389 03:00:03.360 --> 03:00:09.879 Middle East. It was very much a European ideology that 2390 03:00:10.200 --> 03:00:12.719 came out of, you know, born up sort of like 2391 03:00:12.760 --> 03:00:17.079 the intellectual culture of of people whose origins were in 2392 03:00:17.120 --> 03:00:19.520 this we're in the pale settlement, you know, and who 2393 03:00:19.559 --> 03:00:21.559 found their way kind of you know, far and wide 2394 03:00:21.920 --> 03:00:27.559 in European urban centers and and and and and intellectual corridors, 2395 03:00:28.600 --> 03:00:30.559 you know, whether you're talking about you know, Mensk or 2396 03:00:30.639 --> 03:00:38.000 Berlin or Warsaw or Zagreb or wherever. But the whole 2397 03:00:38.040 --> 03:00:40.760 idea was that for the Jewish people to survive like 2398 03:00:40.879 --> 03:00:43.879 as a race. And again this is you know, very 2399 03:00:44.000 --> 03:00:47.079 much grounded in the kind of twentieth century sensibility of 2400 03:00:47.159 --> 03:00:52.600 people's heritage being you know, born of blood and material quantities. 2401 03:00:52.920 --> 03:00:55.799 You know, the idea was, well, the Jewish people need 2402 03:00:55.879 --> 03:01:01.200 to stop being this kind of you know, they need 2403 03:01:01.280 --> 03:01:03.280 to stop being this kind of nation without a country. 2404 03:01:03.719 --> 03:01:06.079 We need a national state, you know, we need that 2405 03:01:06.280 --> 03:01:09.040 that that that guards you know, Jewish racial blood at 2406 03:01:09.040 --> 03:01:12.600 all costs. You know, it's got to, uh, it's got 2407 03:01:12.719 --> 03:01:15.639 to be premised on this kind of like communitarian you know, 2408 03:01:15.760 --> 03:01:19.680 like like like military socialism. You know, it's got to uh, 2409 03:01:20.959 --> 03:01:23.360 it's it's got to basically inundate people in this kind 2410 03:01:23.360 --> 03:01:27.200 of new way of thinking. You know that Jews aren't 2411 03:01:27.200 --> 03:01:32.239 habituated do owing to owing to their kind of peculiar heritage, 2412 03:01:34.040 --> 03:01:35.840 not like like politically, I mean, you know, in the 2413 03:01:35.959 --> 03:01:39.120 terends of modes of life. And that's why for example, 2414 03:01:40.319 --> 03:01:42.280 you know, and again I'm not I'm not saying this 2415 03:01:42.399 --> 03:01:45.959 cunatively like why why why is why do people speak Hebrew? 2416 03:01:46.000 --> 03:01:47.600 What is real? They'd be like if people like me 2417 03:01:48.200 --> 03:01:51.200 said suddenly decided we're gonna start like writing and Viking rooms, 2418 03:01:51.479 --> 03:01:53.920 Like why don't they speak Aramaic, you know, like why 2419 03:01:53.959 --> 03:01:56.159 why don't they speak like Yiddish or even or even 2420 03:01:56.360 --> 03:01:59.680 you know, whatever dialectic German was common to. It was 2421 03:01:59.760 --> 03:02:02.520 common to the Jewish ghetto, like white Hebrew. You know, 2422 03:02:02.600 --> 03:02:04.799 like it's very much this is very much that kind 2423 03:02:04.799 --> 03:02:08.159 of mythologize. It's like a view of themselves. Okay, And 2424 03:02:08.200 --> 03:02:11.959 I'm not even saying that, like like and Zion go ahead. 2425 03:02:12.520 --> 03:02:16.000 Even a lot of scholars point to the fact that 2426 03:02:17.520 --> 03:02:21.120 Hebrew really wasn't even spoken amongst shoes, that it was 2427 03:02:21.239 --> 03:02:25.440 resurrected in the late nineteenth century because you know, if 2428 03:02:25.440 --> 03:02:26.879 you're going to have a people, you have to have 2429 03:02:26.920 --> 03:02:27.879 a language. 2430 03:02:27.879 --> 03:02:31.120 No, exactly, And so that was yeah, exactly, that's that's 2431 03:02:31.159 --> 03:02:34.399 exactly it. So I mean it and and again too, 2432 03:02:34.520 --> 03:02:37.799 I mean there's ZIONI is you know, like heim Weissman, 2433 03:02:38.680 --> 03:02:40.680 they were self consciousness. It's not like they were pretending 2434 03:02:40.719 --> 03:02:45.399 it was something else. But this this this kind of 2435 03:02:45.479 --> 03:02:50.600 revolutionary sort of you know, like top down restructuring of 2436 03:02:50.760 --> 03:02:56.159 the Jewish form of life. You know, that's very much 2437 03:02:56.159 --> 03:03:02.959 a boring again of the same, the same historical, historically driven, 2438 03:03:03.120 --> 03:03:12.639 uh ideological phenomena that that gave rise the you know 2439 03:03:12.719 --> 03:03:18.719 Marxist Leninism and national socialism, you know, and that's one 2440 03:03:18.760 --> 03:03:22.440 of the reasons Israel is anachronistic. Okay, and I don't 2441 03:03:22.440 --> 03:03:24.520 want to go too far afield, but I'm writing some 2442 03:03:24.639 --> 03:03:27.079 long form stuff right now about what I call the 2443 03:03:27.239 --> 03:03:31.879 German Cold War. You know, the DVR, they pursued an 2444 03:03:31.879 --> 03:03:35.360 independent course in a lot of ways, I mean, very 2445 03:03:35.440 --> 03:03:38.799 different than that pursued by you know, Crusiski's Romania or 2446 03:03:38.840 --> 03:03:42.079 like Heuzyugoslavia. Like they were one hundred and ten percent 2447 03:03:42.479 --> 03:03:47.760 in the worst offpack camp. And but you know, they 2448 03:03:49.120 --> 03:03:51.719 they were, they were, they were. They were kind of 2449 03:03:51.799 --> 03:03:54.680 like more of a vanguard of the Stalinist perspective than 2450 03:03:54.760 --> 03:03:59.799 even the Soviet Union was, and kind of fascinatingly and ironically, 2451 03:04:00.360 --> 03:04:05.559 you know, as Gorbachev started implementing pera Strika, like the 2452 03:04:05.680 --> 03:04:08.680 Socialist Unity Party in the d DR started banning Soviet 2453 03:04:08.719 --> 03:04:11.319 publications that they considered to be like revisionists and not 2454 03:04:11.959 --> 03:04:16.639 adequately orthodox in terms of the ideological line they towed. 2455 03:04:17.079 --> 03:04:20.239 But one of the big the DDR, like the Cubans, 2456 03:04:21.319 --> 03:04:25.440 they pursued this aggressive revolutionary foreign policy overseas. You know, 2457 03:04:25.479 --> 03:04:28.680 in the modern Syria is very much, very much owes 2458 03:04:28.760 --> 03:04:32.239 to East German assistance and development, like everything from like 2459 03:04:32.280 --> 03:04:35.479 a military doctrine to their kind of like mixed economy 2460 03:04:36.159 --> 03:04:41.440 to you know, their to the kind of nomenclature that 2461 03:04:42.959 --> 03:04:46.079 the Syrian Bath Party, which was very different than the 2462 03:04:46.120 --> 03:04:48.239 Iraqi Bath Party. I mean, that's one of the reasons 2463 03:04:48.280 --> 03:04:50.040 why they went to war with Saddam's at Iraq in 2464 03:04:50.120 --> 03:04:54.280 ninety one. But they were very much in some ways 2465 03:04:55.799 --> 03:05:00.559 in some critical power political ways, you know, the progeny 2466 03:05:00.639 --> 03:05:06.360 of East Germany and UH, the East Germans really targeted Israel, Okay, 2467 03:05:06.639 --> 03:05:09.959 Like that's indisputable now, of course, the UH if you 2468 03:05:10.079 --> 03:05:12.200 read stuff from the era on even some of these 2469 03:05:12.840 --> 03:05:19.760 academic articles about you know, Cold War anti Semitism, like 2470 03:05:19.840 --> 03:05:22.399 there were people at like the bottom Minehoff faction like 2471 03:05:22.520 --> 03:05:25.840 they praised UH, like the execution of the Israeli athletes 2472 03:05:25.879 --> 03:05:29.280 at Munich, you know, like the Japanese army faction like 2473 03:05:29.360 --> 03:05:33.079 they assaulted UH. You know, they assaulted the Israeli airport 2474 03:05:33.159 --> 03:05:35.760 and stuff, and UH, I can't remember his name, but 2475 03:05:35.959 --> 03:05:42.239 one of the guys who he wasn't a direct action operator, 2476 03:05:43.479 --> 03:05:45.719 but he was kind of the court intellectual of uh 2477 03:05:47.719 --> 03:05:50.600 of the bottom Minehoff crew. He would openly call he 2478 03:05:50.639 --> 03:05:55.200 would openly call Israelis like Youudenschwein, like literally Jewish pigs 2479 03:05:55.840 --> 03:05:57.680 and like that was that was like unthinkable, It would 2480 03:05:57.680 --> 03:05:59.840 be unthinkable to talk about like any other like population 2481 03:06:00.440 --> 03:06:03.680 like in East Germany. You know. But uh so there's 2482 03:06:03.719 --> 03:06:08.920 something I mean obviously, I mean I I basically accept 2483 03:06:08.920 --> 03:06:13.360 one hundred percent like Yaqui's paradigm about what happened in 2484 03:06:13.399 --> 03:06:16.959 the Cold War and and how Zionism was the was 2485 03:06:17.040 --> 03:06:20.120 it was the final catalyst to put you know, the 2486 03:06:20.200 --> 03:06:24.120 Eastern Block and and the Israelis and arguably the Jews 2487 03:06:24.159 --> 03:06:28.319 as a people, you know, like an enemy footing. But 2488 03:06:28.600 --> 03:06:31.959 it's but you know, the uh one of the things 2489 03:06:32.000 --> 03:06:37.639 I was keeping Israel alive in terms of it's raised 2490 03:06:37.680 --> 03:06:40.520 on Detra, but also in practical terms it's sort of 2491 03:06:40.600 --> 03:06:44.520 conceptual existence was the Cold War. One of the reasons 2492 03:06:44.520 --> 03:06:47.559 why Israel's having the problems it is now. It's not 2493 03:06:47.799 --> 03:06:50.799 wokeism or what people seem to think, you know, like 2494 03:06:50.920 --> 03:06:53.959 in like these kind of commentary ists circles. It's not 2495 03:06:53.959 --> 03:06:56.040 because people suddenly have developed some like you know, quote 2496 03:06:56.079 --> 03:06:59.920 unquote like liberal idea of a Palestine and racism or something. 2497 03:07:00.360 --> 03:07:02.920 I mean it might, I mean that there might be 2498 03:07:03.040 --> 03:07:06.760 some aspect of that, but you know that nothing's changed 2499 03:07:07.159 --> 03:07:09.840 in that regard. It's not like suddenly people are aware 2500 03:07:09.879 --> 03:07:12.040 of the racial dynamic and they weren't, you know, ten 2501 03:07:12.159 --> 03:07:16.840 twenty fifty years ago. What happened was as as the 2502 03:07:16.920 --> 03:07:20.159 Soviet Union and especially the Third Right, you know, like 2503 03:07:20.360 --> 03:07:23.399 like fade into memory and there's just you know, and 2504 03:07:23.920 --> 03:07:27.840 it's just not something that figures into people's conceptual horizon, 2505 03:07:28.040 --> 03:07:32.159 even historically in terms of living memory. You know, like 2506 03:07:32.479 --> 03:07:35.600 this kind of like this literally like Jewish racial state, 2507 03:07:36.440 --> 03:07:40.840 you know, talking about invoking these kinds of the apocalyptic 2508 03:07:41.000 --> 03:07:47.159 kind of scenarios to rationalize why it's got to sustain 2509 03:07:47.280 --> 03:07:51.600 this kind of bizarre and anomaloust existence and the kind 2510 03:07:51.600 --> 03:07:56.200 of globalized planet like that doesn't people can't conceptualize that anymore, 2511 03:07:57.079 --> 03:08:01.360 you know. And one of the things, you know, like 2512 03:08:01.440 --> 03:08:04.360 we talked about one of the things that killed the 2513 03:08:04.479 --> 03:08:07.719 Soviet Union, you know, it wasn't just the fact that 2514 03:08:08.639 --> 03:08:13.280 it's because I mean, like like authoritarian and dysfunctional regimes 2515 03:08:13.399 --> 03:08:17.319 like Shambalon indefinitely or they can. I mean, it happens 2516 03:08:17.360 --> 03:08:19.959 all the time. Like what killed the Soviet Union wasn't 2517 03:08:19.959 --> 03:08:21.959 that people didn't have freedom, or that it had a 2518 03:08:22.040 --> 03:08:27.680 basket case economy, or that you know, it lacked popular 2519 03:08:27.799 --> 03:08:33.440 legitimacy in a way that you know, could be could 2520 03:08:33.479 --> 03:08:37.639 only be remedied by you know, over reliance on punitive measures. 2521 03:08:37.840 --> 03:08:40.600 I mean, those things didn't help any But at the 2522 03:08:40.680 --> 03:08:44.559 end of the day, the class struggled paradigm as like 2523 03:08:44.559 --> 03:08:48.440 an ontological reality, like regardless of like the credibility of 2524 03:08:48.479 --> 03:08:54.639 that explanation for for human political life and sociological existence, 2525 03:08:54.719 --> 03:08:56.440 regardless of whether there's any merit to that or not. 2526 03:08:57.719 --> 03:09:02.360 The punctuated disturbances of of modernity, like you know, really 2527 03:09:02.399 --> 03:09:05.159 really disruptive people's lives, you know, And that's one of 2528 03:09:05.200 --> 03:09:09.639 the things that gave Marcus Leninism it's momentum as well 2529 03:09:09.639 --> 03:09:14.239 as its credibility. And when those conditions abated and people 2530 03:09:14.319 --> 03:09:18.719 couldn't even really conceptualize of them anymore, you know, because 2531 03:09:18.760 --> 03:09:22.200 two thirds of the population had been born after those 2532 03:09:22.239 --> 03:09:25.079 occurrences took place, and things, you know, there's no longer 2533 03:09:25.120 --> 03:09:28.520 a context of Sovietism you know, it's it's just pictating 2534 03:09:28.559 --> 03:09:33.879 incoherent and in large part that's where Israel is now, 2535 03:09:35.600 --> 03:09:38.639 you know. And that's one of the things that's one 2536 03:09:38.680 --> 03:09:41.360 of the reasons why the Holocaust narrative was so essential, 2537 03:09:42.319 --> 03:09:46.239 because when that had this like monumental power, like totemic power, 2538 03:09:47.159 --> 03:09:50.719 you know, regardless even even with the Inner German border 2539 03:09:50.799 --> 03:09:54.000 no longer existing, and even even with the Cold War 2540 03:09:55.040 --> 03:09:57.680 no longer dividing the planet, it could be said like, well, 2541 03:09:58.959 --> 03:10:01.799 you know, the jew as a people, like Jewish people, 2542 03:10:01.959 --> 03:10:05.920 qua Jewish people, you know, they were they were availed 2543 03:10:05.959 --> 03:10:10.440 the most catastrophic evil that ever existed. And you know 2544 03:10:10.799 --> 03:10:13.760 this could re emerge at any time, you know, owing 2545 03:10:13.840 --> 03:10:18.399 to the basic moral frailties of of of everybody else 2546 03:10:19.079 --> 03:10:21.840 and their unique enmity towards the Jews as a people. 2547 03:10:22.520 --> 03:10:26.840 So you know, Zionism is essentially like the defensive ramparts 2548 03:10:26.920 --> 03:10:30.159 that they need, you know, Like, I mean, that's nonsense, 2549 03:10:31.079 --> 03:10:36.000 but this had a tremendous totemic power. Again, I mean, 2550 03:10:36.079 --> 03:10:38.799 only to a number of variables. I don't think something 2551 03:10:38.879 --> 03:10:41.600 like that could be I don't think something like that 2552 03:10:41.719 --> 03:10:45.280 could be constructed now, like such an ideological narrative that 2553 03:10:45.319 --> 03:10:47.360 had that kind of staying power, another kind of total 2554 03:10:49.159 --> 03:10:52.520 and and was kind of that like totally insinuated into 2555 03:10:52.760 --> 03:10:55.840 political life and get sexual terms the way that particular 2556 03:10:55.959 --> 03:10:59.159 narrative was. But you know, you look at the history 2557 03:10:59.159 --> 03:11:00.399 of Israel, can. 2558 03:11:00.319 --> 03:11:02.920 I ask you one so you said it had nothing 2559 03:11:02.959 --> 03:11:05.799 to do with woke. But I look at like Israel, 2560 03:11:06.319 --> 03:11:08.520 and I look at what they're you know, what what 2561 03:11:08.680 --> 03:11:11.280 comes out of the government, what they're trying to do. 2562 03:11:12.159 --> 03:11:15.559 And then I look at like tel Aviv, the gayest 2563 03:11:15.639 --> 03:11:21.280 city on Earth. Those those two things, those seem to 2564 03:11:21.360 --> 03:11:24.680 be that's a clash to me. That is Oh no, 2565 03:11:24.799 --> 03:11:27.360 it is, yeah, Israel the government and then you have 2566 03:11:27.479 --> 03:11:30.479 tel Aviv over here, which is just you know, decadences, 2567 03:11:30.879 --> 03:11:33.399 sodom and gomorrah. That that doesn't seem like it's going 2568 03:11:33.440 --> 03:11:33.760 to work. 2569 03:11:34.000 --> 03:11:36.559 Oh no, their internal situation, absolutely, that's true. I was 2570 03:11:36.559 --> 03:11:38.559 talking more in terms of world opinion, the reason why 2571 03:11:38.600 --> 03:11:41.799 people suddenly in the in the like people apparently like 2572 03:11:41.879 --> 03:11:44.959 suddenly turned against the Jewish state, like I mean in 2573 03:11:45.079 --> 03:11:47.879 terms of I mean, I mean, I mean like in 2574 03:11:47.920 --> 03:11:50.879 America and in the EU and things. That's no, absolutely, 2575 03:11:51.000 --> 03:11:53.799 it's uh, it feels a basket case. What's also too, 2576 03:11:53.840 --> 03:11:55.239 it's kind of the point I was making is that 2577 03:11:55.319 --> 03:11:57.959 the people who are kind of like perpetuating Jewish life, 2578 03:11:58.680 --> 03:12:01.879 you know, they're these like hard line religious elements who 2579 03:12:01.959 --> 03:12:05.920 really aren't Zionists, Like they're super hardcore like in their 2580 03:12:05.959 --> 03:12:08.959 identitarian commitments, but not because of the Zionism. I think 2581 03:12:09.079 --> 03:12:11.879 Zionism is nonsense, you know, and at worst they think 2582 03:12:11.920 --> 03:12:14.520 it's you know, like blasphemous and like a kind of idolatry, 2583 03:12:15.239 --> 03:12:20.000 you know, the it's uh, and then that's a whole 2584 03:12:20.040 --> 03:12:25.159 other that's a whole other paradigm that's rather complicated. 2585 03:12:26.879 --> 03:12:31.840 But one could actually say that Israel is multicultural. Yeah 2586 03:12:31.959 --> 03:12:36.000 it is, and a multicultural society is not going is 2587 03:12:36.120 --> 03:12:37.000 not going to last. 2588 03:12:37.280 --> 03:12:39.239 Well that's why I like racialism on its own fate, 2589 03:12:39.440 --> 03:12:41.559 like just on its own terms, like doesn't work, you 2590 03:12:41.600 --> 03:12:44.360 know what I mean. Like it's not not because like 2591 03:12:44.440 --> 03:12:46.719 racism real or something, or that it's not an essential 2592 03:12:46.799 --> 03:12:50.200 component of identity and everything else, but that they can't 2593 03:12:50.280 --> 03:12:53.920 just be like the exclusive basis of you know, your 2594 03:12:53.959 --> 03:12:58.440 communitarian mandate, you know, because yeah, it just it doesn't, 2595 03:12:59.200 --> 03:13:03.920 it doesn't, it doesn't lead anything other than other than 2596 03:13:03.959 --> 03:13:07.479 some kind of superficial how much in neity it's you know, 2597 03:13:07.959 --> 03:13:10.719 like a mile wide and half an inch deep. But 2598 03:13:12.719 --> 03:13:16.879 the what's also what people have to understand is that, 2599 03:13:18.440 --> 03:13:21.920 you know, kind of the and I'll get into briefly, 2600 03:13:22.079 --> 03:13:27.079 I'll kind of break down what white white multis description 2601 03:13:27.239 --> 03:13:30.319 is apropos. I think a lot of people don't truly 2602 03:13:30.399 --> 03:13:34.399 understand what happened in the nineteen forty eight war. But 2603 03:13:34.559 --> 03:13:37.040 you know, Israel, Israel is always had a problem with 2604 03:13:37.200 --> 03:13:39.719 getting people who are willing to go live there, like 2605 03:13:40.159 --> 03:13:42.319 Israel's kind of a shithole. Like I'm not again, I'm 2606 03:13:42.319 --> 03:13:44.680 not saying that like, oh fuck those people. I'm saying, 2607 03:13:44.680 --> 03:13:45.520 do you want to go Do you want to go 2608 03:13:45.639 --> 03:13:49.040 live in some uh? Do you want to go live 2609 03:13:49.079 --> 03:13:53.760 in in some unstable uh? In geostrategic terms, you know, 2610 03:13:55.239 --> 03:14:01.920 like densely massed, like like overpopulated, uh, you know, country 2611 03:14:01.959 --> 03:14:05.680 in the desert where you know, the cost of living 2612 03:14:05.799 --> 03:14:09.840 basically to to to afford the kinds of luxuries we're 2613 03:14:09.879 --> 03:14:12.280 used to in America. And you know the e or Japan, 2614 03:14:13.399 --> 03:14:16.079 you know, can be astronomical depending on the world situation. 2615 03:14:17.040 --> 03:14:21.799 You know, where you know it's your day to day 2616 03:14:22.639 --> 03:14:25.520 activities are kind of limited by the security situation, which 2617 03:14:25.559 --> 03:14:28.399 is which is one of like permanent emergency. And also 2618 03:14:28.440 --> 03:14:31.639 again too, it's not we're not talking about We're not 2619 03:14:31.719 --> 03:14:33.520 talking about like a guy who you know, was born 2620 03:14:33.559 --> 03:14:35.879 in Japan or like born in Spain or something like 2621 03:14:35.920 --> 03:14:38.639 going back to the old country. Like Israel is an 2622 03:14:38.639 --> 03:14:42.520 ideological state, you know, like it's not. Again, it's not 2623 03:14:43.520 --> 03:14:45.120 it's not kind of like the Jewish way of law 2624 03:14:45.239 --> 03:14:47.120 because it's been for you know, thousands of years in 2625 03:14:47.120 --> 03:14:50.079 the EU eas just like fully realized or something. So 2626 03:14:50.159 --> 03:14:52.159 there was always this problem with getting people to move 2627 03:14:52.239 --> 03:14:56.440 to Israel, you know, and that was one of the 2628 03:14:56.479 --> 03:15:00.920 reasons for the huge push of the jag and Vanic Amendment, 2629 03:15:01.040 --> 03:15:04.600 you know, which was obviously premised done you know, the 2630 03:15:04.760 --> 03:15:09.120 need to treat Jews as a refugee from Soviet anti Semitism. 2631 03:15:09.520 --> 03:15:12.040 You know, nobody actually believed that, you know, Brezhnev or 2632 03:15:12.120 --> 03:15:14.440 and drop what was gonna subject these people to a program. 2633 03:15:15.319 --> 03:15:18.079 The the underlying impetus was this is a way to 2634 03:15:18.239 --> 03:15:23.040 literally get people to Israel, you know, like the Soviets, 2635 03:15:23.200 --> 03:15:26.479 you know, basically like basically like bribing the Soviets to 2636 03:15:27.680 --> 03:15:32.239 to the hand out visas for free you know, to 2637 03:15:32.319 --> 03:15:36.079 any to any ethnic Jew within Soviet borders. You know, 2638 03:15:36.239 --> 03:15:38.719 but they're but but they're you know, they're they're they're 2639 03:15:38.760 --> 03:15:43.040 only with the understanding that their destination was Israel, you know, 2640 03:15:43.120 --> 03:15:48.159 I mean that. And on top of that too, you know, 2641 03:15:48.319 --> 03:15:50.760 I've always maintained one of the reasons where a Bean 2642 03:15:51.239 --> 03:15:54.799 was murdered, uh and Ehud Barak, who's a pretty sensible guy. 2643 03:15:55.920 --> 03:15:59.799 He's he's he's kind of a man without allies, because 2644 03:15:59.799 --> 03:16:01.479 I mean he was he was just like a hard line, 2645 03:16:01.520 --> 03:16:04.879 like IDF military guy. So people on the left, including 2646 03:16:04.920 --> 03:16:08.200 you know, like Israeli labor types, don't like him. He's 2647 03:16:08.280 --> 03:16:12.239 a hugely critical of Lekud. So these are cardcore designists 2648 03:16:12.239 --> 03:16:15.639 don't like him. But he all but admits that, you know, 2649 03:16:15.760 --> 03:16:23.000 Barack was, Rabine was assassinated, and Raban was essentially going 2650 03:16:23.040 --> 03:16:28.639 to end in the permanent emergency, you know, but they 2651 03:16:28.959 --> 03:16:31.600 but Israel sees to to exist and that emergency ever 2652 03:16:31.719 --> 03:16:33.920 goes away, you know, Like I'm not even saying this 2653 03:16:34.040 --> 03:16:39.520 is consciously within the within the contemplation of of of 2654 03:16:39.600 --> 03:16:42.040 the inner party of Leekud or something I think some 2655 03:16:42.159 --> 03:16:44.520 people understand this very well, you know, and on a 2656 03:16:44.639 --> 03:16:48.360 very conscious level. But you know, Israel needs that. They 2657 03:16:48.440 --> 03:16:51.719 need the they need the threat of existential siege. They 2658 03:16:51.760 --> 03:16:56.159 need the threat or at least the the conceptual specter, 2659 03:16:57.879 --> 03:16:59.840 realistic or not, so long as it's so long as 2660 03:16:59.840 --> 03:17:03.799 it has credibility within the minds of you know, the 2661 03:17:03.920 --> 03:17:08.440 national community. There this this idea that you know, they're 2662 03:17:08.479 --> 03:17:14.719 facing oblivion unless uh, you know, they they remains, they 2663 03:17:14.760 --> 03:17:21.760 sustain this constant vigilance that's uh facilitated by you know, 2664 03:17:21.879 --> 03:17:25.159 this this kind of like spartan socialism. You know, that's 2665 03:17:25.280 --> 03:17:28.319 without that, Israel doesn't have anything, you know, without that. 2666 03:17:28.520 --> 03:17:34.520 It's it's it uh, it's it's going to like evaporate 2667 03:17:34.600 --> 03:17:37.639 into the pages of history, you know. And I think 2668 03:17:37.680 --> 03:17:42.000 that's inevitable, but its and it's already happening. But that's 2669 03:17:42.280 --> 03:17:46.239 that's what that's what Nolty was getting at about Israel. 2670 03:17:47.799 --> 03:17:51.840 And that's hugely important and I mean, just like briefly too, 2671 03:17:52.040 --> 03:17:59.079 like for people who don't accept what accept that whole 2672 03:17:59.159 --> 03:18:04.040 kind of the whole kind of paradigm, you know, the 2673 03:18:05.399 --> 03:18:08.840 the nineteen forty eight war. Well, first of all, as 2674 03:18:08.959 --> 03:18:15.319 as any Zionists, so enthusiastically remind you the Arab forces 2675 03:18:15.360 --> 03:18:18.520 and being and the men with real comet experience, they'd 2676 03:18:18.559 --> 03:18:23.319 either been the ops to the British Empire or they've 2677 03:18:23.319 --> 03:18:25.959 been fighting on the side of the Third Reich, you know, 2678 03:18:26.120 --> 03:18:32.319 and including the move the al Husseini who was had 2679 03:18:32.360 --> 03:18:37.520 been branded a war criminal and had fled Berlin at 2680 03:18:37.559 --> 03:18:42.000 the eleventh hour, and you know, was was basically it 2681 03:18:42.159 --> 03:18:46.559 was basically like living a living a vagrant life of 2682 03:18:47.879 --> 03:18:52.399 a wanted man or an tenorantal life or ether. So 2683 03:18:53.280 --> 03:18:59.280 there's a unique vulnerability in terms of in terms of 2684 03:18:59.280 --> 03:19:02.559 the Arab popular a Palestine and their ability to defend themselves, 2685 03:19:03.079 --> 03:19:11.040 you know, at least contra their their's Zionists adversaries. What 2686 03:19:11.159 --> 03:19:16.239 we think of as like the nineteen forty eight uh 2687 03:19:17.520 --> 03:19:20.079 War or the you know, the Deliberation War or the 2688 03:19:20.159 --> 03:19:22.920 War of Israeli Independence or whatever court history calls it, 2689 03:19:25.200 --> 03:19:29.680 were essentially talking about Hagana's what they called Plane D, 2690 03:19:30.680 --> 03:19:34.040 which was the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Even though it 2691 03:19:34.159 --> 03:19:35.799 was clear they were going to get their way in 2692 03:19:35.959 --> 03:19:41.840 some sense with the UN partition, Truman was not enthusiastic 2693 03:19:41.920 --> 03:19:46.239 about it. And ironically, the only people who were were 2694 03:19:46.280 --> 03:19:50.719 the Soviet Union, and that rapidly they were there were 2695 03:19:50.799 --> 03:19:54.159 Soviets rapidly reversed course on that. But that's outside the 2696 03:19:54.159 --> 03:20:03.479 scoreboard is talking about right now. But the uh Hagana Ergun, 2697 03:20:05.120 --> 03:20:08.319 this this stern gang, they all they all realized that 2698 03:20:09.680 --> 03:20:13.200 even if they got even if they got like you know, 2699 03:20:15.079 --> 03:20:18.639 fully half of uh the land in question, they still 2700 03:20:18.639 --> 03:20:21.559 had a demographic problem. You know, they still they still 2701 03:20:21.559 --> 03:20:25.959 have their backs against the wall in terms of you know, 2702 03:20:26.079 --> 03:20:28.079 as regards to the bounty rationaley of what they were 2703 03:20:28.079 --> 03:20:29.920 trying to accomplish, and that was, you know, a Jewish 2704 03:20:30.040 --> 03:20:33.799 racial state where in you know, the entirety of a 2705 03:20:33.879 --> 03:20:39.280 Manic Palestine was in their hands, you know, demographically, militarily 2706 03:20:39.319 --> 03:20:44.840 and otherwise. So in in March nine and forty eight, 2707 03:20:44.879 --> 03:20:52.200 Plan D kicks off and Zionist paramilitary elements. This was 2708 03:20:52.239 --> 03:20:57.879 the first time they were under a unified command. Really, uh. 2709 03:20:59.879 --> 03:21:04.600 All the Palestinian Arabs had was they had the al 2710 03:21:04.680 --> 03:21:10.360 Kadar al Husseini and a man named Hassan Salom. They 2711 03:21:10.440 --> 03:21:13.399 succeeded in cutting the road look can tell Aviv and Jerusalem, 2712 03:21:16.159 --> 03:21:18.840 and had there been the forces in being to assault, 2713 03:21:21.879 --> 03:21:24.440 they might have had the man power to seize Jerusalem, 2714 03:21:25.120 --> 03:21:28.399 and that would have been a game changer in my opinion. 2715 03:21:28.520 --> 03:21:37.079 But because it may, Designers leadership realized they they had 2716 03:21:37.120 --> 03:21:41.479 to act systematically, and they had to act now, not 2717 03:21:42.079 --> 03:21:48.360 just because of the possible Palestinian offensive to preempt what 2718 03:21:48.440 --> 03:21:55.200 they were planning, but they discerned that there might very 2719 03:21:55.239 --> 03:21:58.879 well be a change in the in the international situation, 2720 03:21:59.040 --> 03:22:04.319 in particular kind of like washing the DC's mood towards 2721 03:22:04.399 --> 03:22:07.319 the concept of a Jewish state. And you know, just 2722 03:22:08.680 --> 03:22:13.639 as as kind of the Cold War hardened in terms 2723 03:22:13.680 --> 03:22:18.159 of you know, the nation and alliance structure, they thought 2724 03:22:18.200 --> 03:22:21.479 that their ambitions would probably be sacrificed. I mean, you 2725 03:22:21.520 --> 03:22:24.920 can argue that either way. But again in terms of 2726 03:22:25.040 --> 03:22:29.159 what in terms of in terms of Zionism as an idea, 2727 03:22:30.079 --> 03:22:32.040 you know, and like we talked about in Noblty's view, 2728 03:22:32.079 --> 03:22:36.479 which I think is correct, ideas of their own animating force. 2729 03:22:37.200 --> 03:22:39.879 You know, this design Is project had to be seen 2730 03:22:40.040 --> 03:22:48.920 through or would die, especially at that juncture. So the 2731 03:22:49.520 --> 03:22:51.959 the Clindic of pales Dye it really went into full 2732 03:22:52.000 --> 03:22:58.040 operation in April and May of forty eight. It had 2733 03:22:58.120 --> 03:23:02.799 two and really only two like basic objectives. The first 2734 03:23:03.079 --> 03:23:10.879 was to swiftly and systematically take any any installations at 2735 03:23:10.920 --> 03:23:14.319 Vaca by the British civilian, military or infrastructural you know, 2736 03:23:14.399 --> 03:23:20.200 to occupy them, repurposed them as the infrastructure for the 2737 03:23:20.319 --> 03:23:23.719 NASA state and in the short term, you know, employ 2738 03:23:23.840 --> 03:23:30.520 them and as needed and you know, the duration of 2739 03:23:30.559 --> 03:23:33.200 the military operation at hand, which also gave them a 2740 03:23:33.280 --> 03:23:39.120 huge advantage. They also they were able to facilitate this 2741 03:23:39.280 --> 03:23:42.719 because there was a minority of prosign as British officers 2742 03:23:42.760 --> 03:23:46.959 on the ground and there's still this element you know 2743 03:23:47.040 --> 03:23:52.520 in the British ruling establishment which and people could run 2744 03:23:52.639 --> 03:23:54.639 entire valumes under. Why that is, you know, especially in 2745 03:23:54.719 --> 03:24:00.520 this era, especially in the era in question, when British 2746 03:24:00.520 --> 03:24:03.120 soldiers and civilians had died at the hands of Urgun 2747 03:24:03.280 --> 03:24:06.879 and other Zionist elements. I mean this, this completely stupefies me. 2748 03:24:07.079 --> 03:24:11.600 But there was enough support on the ground for Zionists 2749 03:24:12.360 --> 03:24:16.000 among the British garrison which was in the process of 2750 03:24:16.120 --> 03:24:20.559 bugging out. You know that this this eased them the 2751 03:24:20.680 --> 03:24:28.920 kind of tactical burden on accomplishing these things the Palestinians 2752 03:24:29.000 --> 03:24:36.000 had no I had no such advantage, okay, and they're 2753 03:24:36.040 --> 03:24:40.879 also again you know, the palaest what was the Palestinian leadership. Uh, 2754 03:24:41.680 --> 03:24:45.159 they were access adjacent, you know, so they were if 2755 03:24:45.200 --> 03:24:48.159 they were wanted men and if they weren't formally wanted, 2756 03:24:49.280 --> 03:24:53.959 you know, they they certainly would have become targeted if 2757 03:24:53.959 --> 03:24:57.639 they re emerged. You know. So this idea that oh 2758 03:24:57.680 --> 03:25:01.159 the Palestinians are just you know, just they're just fools. 2759 03:25:01.200 --> 03:25:06.479 There's just you know, savages who couldn't mobilize. That complete bullshit, 2760 03:25:07.959 --> 03:25:11.840 regardless of anybody feels about the Palestinian cause or anything, 2761 03:25:11.959 --> 03:25:16.399 that's just not that this is not true. The second 2762 03:25:16.559 --> 03:25:23.040 and the most important obviously aspects or ambition of a 2763 03:25:23.159 --> 03:25:27.120 plant d and of the war. Generally, it was to 2764 03:25:27.559 --> 03:25:32.040 ethnically cleanse what was to be the future Jewish state 2765 03:25:32.639 --> 03:25:37.000 of as many Palestinians as possible. The main direct action 2766 03:25:37.159 --> 03:25:40.799 element of the Zionis was Hagana, which had several brigrides. 2767 03:25:41.040 --> 03:25:45.479 They had several brigades. Each each brigade was assigned a 2768 03:25:45.639 --> 03:25:52.399 village or a township to occupy, and almost all of 2769 03:25:52.440 --> 03:25:56.559 these villages were ordered to be destroyed. And you know, 2770 03:25:56.639 --> 03:26:03.159 the people, the people expelled or or outright killed, and uh, 2771 03:26:06.239 --> 03:26:12.719 some of these uh. This led to some difficult situations, 2772 03:26:13.000 --> 03:26:17.760 especially in mixed areas where there wasn't great support for 2773 03:26:17.840 --> 03:26:21.959 the Zionist cause. I think for obvious reasons, where you know, 2774 03:26:22.040 --> 03:26:25.479 you had you had, Zion's paramilitary is literally extricating people's 2775 03:26:25.479 --> 03:26:28.440 Arab neighbors. In some cases they're inner marriages and things, 2776 03:26:28.559 --> 03:26:40.120 you know, like very ugly stuff. There was the most uh, 2777 03:26:41.360 --> 03:26:43.879 what really was kind of a game changer in terms 2778 03:26:43.879 --> 03:26:47.760 of in terms of world opinion as well as in 2779 03:26:48.280 --> 03:26:51.799 in terms of what we truly radicalized, not just the 2780 03:26:51.840 --> 03:27:01.159 Palestinians that ground, but sympathetic Arab regimes, especially those populated 2781 03:27:01.239 --> 03:27:08.120 by you know, by Sunnies, and you know, Palestine is 2782 03:27:08.159 --> 03:27:14.760 a Sunni majority. April twentieth, auspicious date, nineteen forty eight, 2783 03:27:17.680 --> 03:27:28.879 the dry Yasin massacre and Haifa had Gana assaulted Haifa 2784 03:27:29.920 --> 03:27:35.920 and everybody, everybody was everybody was killed, regardless of age, sex, 2785 03:27:36.840 --> 03:27:40.239 overall health, you know, women and children, it didn't matter. 2786 03:27:41.360 --> 03:27:45.799 And it was it was very it was very chaotic. 2787 03:27:46.840 --> 03:27:52.280 There's some reports of trophy taking from the dead, mumulation 2788 03:27:52.360 --> 03:27:55.600 of the dead, like people taking noses and ears. There 2789 03:27:55.639 --> 03:27:59.360 were reports that were phileral substantiated of of of young 2790 03:27:59.479 --> 03:28:03.440 girls and women being raped. This was not This was 2791 03:28:03.559 --> 03:28:08.799 not some well executed you know, like clean kind of 2792 03:28:08.840 --> 03:28:13.840 like idef operation or something. Okay, it was. It was 2793 03:28:13.879 --> 03:28:17.319 an ugly and brutal rasc and cree in all the 2794 03:28:17.600 --> 03:28:26.959 worst ways. And the response to that was as this 2795 03:28:27.120 --> 03:28:31.559 kind of as world opinion kind of became outraged by this, 2796 03:28:32.760 --> 03:28:36.280 you know, Desigonist leadership, they took to these kinds of 2797 03:28:36.479 --> 03:28:41.680 they took to these sort of performative endeavors of you know, 2798 03:28:42.040 --> 03:28:46.959 publicly encouraging Palestinians to remain in these mixed areas, you know, 2799 03:28:47.079 --> 03:28:48.879 saying you know, you'll have come to any harm, and 2800 03:28:52.159 --> 03:28:53.920 you know, everybody's rights are going to be honored in 2801 03:28:54.239 --> 03:28:57.760 the future Jewish state. I mean, which was I mean, 2802 03:28:57.799 --> 03:29:01.079 even if that was sincere on the art of political cadres, 2803 03:29:01.120 --> 03:29:02.360 I do not reason I think it was. But I mean, 2804 03:29:02.440 --> 03:29:06.040 let's say it was. You know, the situation on the 2805 03:29:06.120 --> 03:29:07.840 ground was what it was, and it had its own 2806 03:29:07.920 --> 03:29:13.079 momentum and it couldn't be stopped at that point in 2807 03:29:13.159 --> 03:29:17.479 my opinion, you know. But all told, all told, about 2808 03:29:18.479 --> 03:29:23.200 three quarters of a million Palestinians were you know, expelled 2809 03:29:23.239 --> 03:29:29.200 from the land. You know, probably about twenty thousand people 2810 03:29:29.319 --> 03:29:35.639 were killed outright. And again this was not excluding the 2811 03:29:35.680 --> 03:29:38.440 military age males. Quite the contrary. It was, you know, 2812 03:29:38.600 --> 03:29:51.600 categorically but that you know, the h and again the 2813 03:29:55.239 --> 03:30:02.079 the British had an arms embargo on Mandate Palestine. Truman 2814 03:30:02.159 --> 03:30:05.959 again was no friends of the Zionist regime. I mean, 2815 03:30:06.040 --> 03:30:11.520 even after you know, victory was declared in May of 2816 03:30:11.760 --> 03:30:15.559 forty eight, Truman issued it the fact of recognition that 2817 03:30:16.440 --> 03:30:20.079 you know of the zign Oft state, you know, but 2818 03:30:20.280 --> 03:30:25.680 he refused a dejiree acknowledgment of their legitimacy. The Soviet 2819 03:30:25.799 --> 03:30:30.040 Union was the first state to provide that. And the 2820 03:30:31.600 --> 03:30:36.399 designist elements in the ground, you know, Haganah first among them. 2821 03:30:37.239 --> 03:30:41.280 They'd gotten the small arms that they were able to 2822 03:30:41.360 --> 03:30:45.799 procure real largely from the East Block, you know. And 2823 03:30:45.879 --> 03:30:53.639 it goes to show you how the reason why Moscow 2824 03:30:53.760 --> 03:31:00.879 envisioned Israel Zionist Israel, is being adjacent to them ideologically, 2825 03:31:01.719 --> 03:31:03.520 I mean part of it is. I mean it is 2826 03:31:03.600 --> 03:31:06.600 because again I mean an old these points you know, 2827 03:31:07.440 --> 03:31:11.760 Zionism wasn't is the progeny of the same nexis of 2828 03:31:11.840 --> 03:31:18.680 causation as where the other you know, great European ideologies 2829 03:31:19.319 --> 03:31:22.399 of the twentieth century. I mean, I believe where Stalin 2830 03:31:22.520 --> 03:31:27.440 was sitting, he probably viewed he probably viewed the treatment 2831 03:31:27.479 --> 03:31:29.559 of the Palestinians and the way that he viewed his 2832 03:31:29.719 --> 03:31:33.840 own treatment to the nationalities, and well, you know this, 2833 03:31:34.040 --> 03:31:37.440 this is a way of creating a tabula rocess that 2834 03:31:37.639 --> 03:31:41.120 you know, some kind of Israeli socialism can be built, 2835 03:31:42.479 --> 03:31:47.840 you know. And the reason why, and again I mean 2836 03:31:47.920 --> 03:31:52.639 the the reason why that was an idea that could 2837 03:31:52.639 --> 03:31:56.000 be entertained, you know, and Stalin was the consummate realist 2838 03:31:56.079 --> 03:32:01.040 and it wasn't plumbing prone to flights of fantasy. It 2839 03:32:01.159 --> 03:32:06.840 made sense why you would think that, you know, but 2840 03:32:07.000 --> 03:32:12.719 ultimately developed you know again too, with the East Block 2841 03:32:13.120 --> 03:32:19.000 being uh, you know, rapidly anti Zionists, and and the 2842 03:32:19.120 --> 03:32:22.159 DDR carrying on and like literally an active war against 2843 03:32:22.159 --> 03:32:25.840 the Jewish state, you know, I think that, I mean, 2844 03:32:25.879 --> 03:32:29.120 that's that's demonstrative of Nolty's point two. I mean, all 2845 03:32:29.239 --> 03:32:31.479 all this stuff, I don't see how people can reject 2846 03:32:31.559 --> 03:32:36.399 the kind of the kind of Hegelian view of history. 2847 03:32:36.440 --> 03:32:38.559 I mean, with some qualifications, obviously, when they look at 2848 03:32:38.600 --> 03:32:40.639 how these things actually developed, you know, I mean, we're 2849 03:32:40.639 --> 03:32:44.000 not We're not just talking about arguments between historians and 2850 03:32:44.120 --> 03:32:49.120 kind of academic I've retier cloisters, you know, we're talking 2851 03:32:49.159 --> 03:32:54.280 about you know, war and peace phenomenon that actually developed 2852 03:32:54.559 --> 03:32:57.760 and was just positive and in terms of the outcome of. 2853 03:32:59.760 --> 03:33:00.520 The Old War. 2854 03:33:04.040 --> 03:33:14.399 It's uh, you know, and I think one of the uh, 2855 03:33:23.000 --> 03:33:31.319 one of the reasons, you know, one of the reasons 2856 03:33:31.360 --> 03:33:39.840 why it was such a parious state, you know, was 2857 03:33:40.200 --> 03:33:45.680 was for that reason. It wasn't just because you know, 2858 03:33:47.559 --> 03:33:50.520 in order to it was a it was a convenient 2859 03:33:50.920 --> 03:33:54.920 sort of ideological framing for the Eastern Block to say, 2860 03:33:55.079 --> 03:33:56.799 you know, oh, this is this is this is a 2861 03:33:56.959 --> 03:33:59.200 this is a fascist state like the bundest Republic, but 2862 03:33:59.280 --> 03:34:06.159 even worse because it's premised that overtly you know, racialist principles. 2863 03:34:07.799 --> 03:34:12.840 You know, it was because on some level everybody discerned 2864 03:34:12.920 --> 03:34:17.639 that there was something unseemly about Zionism, you know that 2865 03:34:17.879 --> 03:34:22.000 not not because like it's Jewish or not not because 2866 03:34:23.559 --> 03:34:26.920 you know of anything intrinsic to the Jewish character. If 2867 03:34:26.920 --> 03:34:28.760 people make that case that they want, I'm saying, that's 2868 03:34:28.760 --> 03:34:34.079 not what that that's not why it was a kind 2869 03:34:34.079 --> 03:34:41.079 of natural target the Soviet propaganda. It's because the the 2870 03:34:41.159 --> 03:34:43.280 first half of the twentieth century was it was was 2871 03:34:43.360 --> 03:34:47.959 catastrophic that was left saying, okay, and even somebody who 2872 03:34:47.959 --> 03:34:57.120 doesn't accept in an ethical or or conceptual terms, you know, 2873 03:34:57.639 --> 03:35:00.799 the claims the International War Crimes Tribunal Nuremberg or the 2874 03:35:00.879 --> 03:35:07.239 claims of you know, coreni historians who posit this, you know, 2875 03:35:07.399 --> 03:35:11.280 thunder Big theory of Germany and in folcdof Hitler is 2876 03:35:11.920 --> 03:35:14.879 as some kind of a it's some going to stand 2877 03:35:14.879 --> 03:35:17.120 in for Lucifer. Even somebody doesn't accept that at all, 2878 03:35:17.879 --> 03:35:20.239 you know, saying you've got to accept this sort of 2879 03:35:20.360 --> 03:35:24.920 exceptional state that's premised on this sort of like rabid 2880 03:35:25.079 --> 03:35:30.719 racial nationalism, the structures of which, although superficially similar to 2881 03:35:31.719 --> 03:35:36.959 familiar ones, are basically all oriented towards, you know, the 2882 03:35:37.360 --> 03:35:41.840 maintenance of this totally abnormal, you know, sociological and military paradigm. 2883 03:35:42.360 --> 03:35:45.000 You just got to accept all this, you know, because 2884 03:35:45.040 --> 03:35:50.719 it's essential going to you know, these uh, and the 2885 03:35:50.799 --> 03:35:53.559 reasons presented are things that you know kind of like 2886 03:35:53.680 --> 03:35:58.079 remind people the darkest kind of like the darkest times, 2887 03:35:58.120 --> 03:36:01.239 the Inner War years, and and what was suggested is 2888 03:36:01.920 --> 03:36:04.520 as being necessary for the survival of the race or 2889 03:36:05.399 --> 03:36:07.959 or the assent in working class or whatever else. I mean, 2890 03:36:08.000 --> 03:36:10.399 it's not something that people wanted to think about, you know, 2891 03:36:10.479 --> 03:36:14.440 and it's not something that people felt comfortable with, you know, 2892 03:36:14.680 --> 03:36:17.479 kind of raising at the banner of legitimacy, regardless of 2893 03:36:17.520 --> 03:36:19.799 they felt about or if they had any opinion about, 2894 03:36:19.840 --> 03:36:23.079 you know, like Jewish people and Zionism. And that's some 2895 03:36:24.840 --> 03:36:28.639 and that's also something Nolty said in one of his 2896 03:36:28.799 --> 03:36:38.239 last collection of essays. He said that ultimately, you know, 2897 03:36:38.959 --> 03:36:43.879 Zionism has to either fulfill it's sort of internal mission, 2898 03:36:44.440 --> 03:36:49.280 you know, as a monumental idea. It's not historically contingent, 2899 03:36:49.879 --> 03:36:52.600 you know, because Nulty agreed with Carl Schmid in that 2900 03:36:52.719 --> 03:36:59.280 regard and Heideger you know, I I I ideas of 2901 03:36:59.360 --> 03:37:07.760 their own self attained revelation, you know, and that's either 2902 03:37:07.879 --> 03:37:13.280 realized or it's not. And in the case of Israel, 2903 03:37:14.239 --> 03:37:16.760 that's only realized really by some kind of an end 2904 03:37:16.879 --> 03:37:20.680 sigue and the end in in in in context, that 2905 03:37:20.719 --> 03:37:23.920 would that would basically mean, you know, the the annihilation 2906 03:37:24.079 --> 03:37:29.799 of the Palestinians as a people, you know, is that 2907 03:37:30.000 --> 03:37:38.079 possible today? I mean physically, yeah, is there the political 2908 03:37:38.159 --> 03:37:40.399 will there. I mean to your point about Israel being 2909 03:37:42.159 --> 03:37:43.559 I mean not to sound like some sort of like 2910 03:37:45.040 --> 03:37:47.520 Marxist or something, but is is it? Is it fatally 2911 03:37:47.600 --> 03:37:50.440 compromised by its own internal contradictions? Like yeah, I think 2912 03:37:50.520 --> 03:37:55.360 actually maybe it is. But even were it not, you know, 2913 03:37:55.600 --> 03:38:00.719 I think, uh, I don't think they could. Uh I 2914 03:38:00.760 --> 03:38:02.959 don't think. I don't think the Israelis can start categorically 2915 03:38:03.520 --> 03:38:08.000 exterminating the people at Gaza any more than in nineteen 2916 03:38:08.079 --> 03:38:12.920 eighty resident could have assaulted Poland, you know, like the 2917 03:38:13.040 --> 03:38:15.879 Soviets did Hungary in fifty six, Like this would have 2918 03:38:15.920 --> 03:38:20.760 been like unthinkable considering the state of not even just 2919 03:38:20.840 --> 03:38:23.959 like world opinion. It's like conceptually like what people can tolerate, 2920 03:38:24.760 --> 03:38:29.959 you know, morally, But. 2921 03:38:30.200 --> 03:38:33.440 It's also I mean, you talk about it being an anachronism. 2922 03:38:34.559 --> 03:38:37.879 It seems like, you know, one hundred million people were 2923 03:38:37.959 --> 03:38:40.799 killed in the first half of the century to prevent 2924 03:38:40.959 --> 03:38:42.799 states like Israel from existing. 2925 03:38:43.360 --> 03:38:46.440 Yeah, exactly, exactly. So it's this case of special pleading 2926 03:38:46.840 --> 03:38:49.760 where it's like, oh, but you know this is the 2927 03:38:49.840 --> 03:38:53.120 case of this is the case of Israel, because you know, 2928 03:38:53.159 --> 03:38:57.120 there's all these exceptional circumstances that threaten it, but without 2929 03:38:57.879 --> 03:39:01.719 you know, without without the neum narrative having like truly 2930 03:39:02.159 --> 03:39:08.399 kind of punctuated cachet in the collective memory, Like yeah, 2931 03:39:08.440 --> 03:39:12.159 that just doesn't the people that that that means nothing 2932 03:39:12.200 --> 03:39:17.680 to people. So yeah, exactly exactly, like why And that's 2933 03:39:17.680 --> 03:39:19.760 the point it make of people too, you know, like 2934 03:39:19.799 --> 03:39:22.840 when people like me or you know, some of our 2935 03:39:22.959 --> 03:39:29.120 right wing Palestinian and Iranian and Lebanese friends, when they 2936 03:39:29.200 --> 03:39:32.280 raise the issue is raelly race racialism, they're not saying like, oh, 2937 03:39:32.440 --> 03:39:35.040 Israel is they're real racialists. What they're saying is that 2938 03:39:36.559 --> 03:39:39.680 the regime tells you that everything Israel does is utterly 2939 03:39:39.799 --> 03:39:43.440 unacceptable in all cases, but Israel, Like that's the point, 2940 03:39:44.040 --> 03:39:46.000 Like the point isn't on its own terms, like is 2941 03:39:46.120 --> 03:39:48.680 racism bad? That that's totally that there's nothing to do 2942 03:39:48.760 --> 03:39:54.760 with it. It's why this special pleading and you know, 2943 03:39:55.239 --> 03:39:58.920 and and and even and and even notwithstanding that, like 2944 03:39:59.000 --> 03:40:01.319 why is this such an impat narrative? You know, like 2945 03:40:01.360 --> 03:40:06.319 you can't make the claim like people did during the 2946 03:40:06.399 --> 03:40:12.440 Cold War, that this is an absolute strategic necessity because 2947 03:40:12.479 --> 03:40:16.879 for better or worse, you know, America was in the 2948 03:40:16.959 --> 03:40:24.959 Cold War and its enemies were you know, the client 2949 03:40:25.000 --> 03:40:28.840 states of the Soviet Union, which were Israel's enemies. Now, 2950 03:40:29.319 --> 03:40:33.360 how much that over to the fact of America provoking 2951 03:40:33.399 --> 03:40:36.840 these circumstances and not practicing balanced diplomacy and regardless whether 2952 03:40:36.840 --> 03:40:38.520 the Cold or Whipment fought or not, Like that's not 2953 03:40:39.120 --> 03:40:42.920 important because like America was in the Cold War and 2954 03:40:43.319 --> 03:40:46.639 take like nineteen sixty seven or seventy three, you know, 2955 03:40:47.360 --> 03:40:49.639 like the die was cast. You know, it's not as 2956 03:40:49.639 --> 03:40:52.200 if like the brakes could be put on the geo 2957 03:40:52.239 --> 03:40:56.680 strategic situation as it had developed. So yeah, there's you're 2958 03:40:56.680 --> 03:41:04.200 absolutely right. Yeah, that's about There's some other stuff want 2959 03:41:04.239 --> 03:41:06.639 to take up, but again it's it's it's I kind 2960 03:41:06.639 --> 03:41:09.360 of want to conclude this like multi discussion, so I 2961 03:41:09.440 --> 03:41:12.440 want to say that for next time I want to 2962 03:41:12.520 --> 03:41:17.399 do I haven't decided yet. I'm I'm I'm rereading the 2963 03:41:17.760 --> 03:41:23.079 Sims Excuse me, I'm sorry biography of Hitler, which raises 2964 03:41:23.280 --> 03:41:32.879 really important concepts, including you know, Hitler contract Roosevelt, and 2965 03:41:33.000 --> 03:41:37.120 Hitler's understanding of America as not just you know, Germany's 2966 03:41:37.120 --> 03:41:41.600 primary addressary, but also of you know, the like like 2967 03:41:41.680 --> 03:41:45.120 the future of this planet hinging on you know, the 2968 03:41:45.520 --> 03:41:50.680 ability of civilizations to constitute themselves as superpowers, and how 2969 03:41:50.760 --> 03:41:53.000 like Europe is coming up short, you know, in every 2970 03:41:54.479 --> 03:41:59.399 in every category of criteria contra America. And this wasn't 2971 03:41:59.440 --> 03:42:05.920 just a question of a practical of a military ambition 2972 03:42:06.120 --> 03:42:09.799 or or a practical war planning and things that it 2973 03:42:09.920 --> 03:42:13.399 had to do with the entirety of Europe's historical mission 2974 03:42:14.319 --> 03:42:17.399 and which would, in Hitler's mind, would either succeed or 2975 03:42:17.920 --> 03:42:22.159 Europe would simply perish. And to understand that is essential 2976 03:42:22.280 --> 03:42:29.920 understanding Hitler and the war. It's essential understanding Roosevelt. And 2977 03:42:30.079 --> 03:42:31.959 that that the fact that Roseneld and Hitler and their 2978 03:42:32.040 --> 03:42:34.760 radio addresses were always like in dialogue with each other, 2979 03:42:35.520 --> 03:42:38.239 you know, not with Churchill, not with Stalin, not you know, 2980 03:42:38.360 --> 03:42:44.079 with not with the world generally, so we could I 2981 03:42:44.600 --> 03:42:45.000 was playing with. 2982 03:42:45.040 --> 03:42:49.000 A you wanna do you wanna do? Uh do a 2983 03:42:49.040 --> 03:42:50.479 few of those with me? 2984 03:42:50.680 --> 03:42:53.000 And uh, yeah, that's what I's getting at. I think 2985 03:42:53.000 --> 03:42:54.799 it'd be better suited to a series that we do 2986 03:42:55.159 --> 03:42:56.959 rather than me just like doing it on the podcast. 2987 03:42:58.120 --> 03:42:59.639 But I'd also want to I also don't want to 2988 03:42:59.680 --> 03:43:01.200 tell your business in terms of no. 2989 03:43:01.479 --> 03:43:05.000 No, that sounds great and Yeah, I wanted to mention 2990 03:43:05.479 --> 03:43:09.719 everyone to hear this too. Thomas dropped uh the first 2991 03:43:09.799 --> 03:43:12.799 episode of season two of Mind Phaser with Jay Benden 2992 03:43:12.920 --> 03:43:16.239 and yeah as a banger. Yeah that was good, Thank 2993 03:43:16.280 --> 03:43:16.559 you man. 2994 03:43:16.719 --> 03:43:18.840 The Burden's a prince man like he's he's a He's 2995 03:43:18.879 --> 03:43:21.079 a great guy and a great kind creator. He's also 2996 03:43:21.120 --> 03:43:24.200 a dear friend and he's nice to everybody. Always really 2997 03:43:24.360 --> 03:43:26.639 likes his appearances. Man, So that helps me obviously. 2998 03:43:28.600 --> 03:43:31.520 He's uh, he's also he doesn't allow himself to be 2999 03:43:31.600 --> 03:43:36.559 trapped inside a box. He has a lot of different influences, 3000 03:43:37.280 --> 03:43:40.000 and I don't think he really cares what anybody thinks 3001 03:43:40.040 --> 03:43:43.159 about you know, about any of them either. He's just 3002 03:43:43.239 --> 03:43:45.559 you know, he has his opinions and I think they're solid. 3003 03:43:46.120 --> 03:43:47.959 No, he's a great guy, man, he really is. I 3004 03:43:48.040 --> 03:43:54.680 can't I can't. I can't praise him effusively enough. Yeah, No, 3005 03:43:54.959 --> 03:43:56.239 this is great man. Thanks again. 3006 03:43:56.959 --> 03:43:59.879 Yeah, so we'll plan that. We'll plan that out privately, 3007 03:44:00.440 --> 03:44:04.799 and yeah, hit some plugs real quick and while on this. 3008 03:44:06.159 --> 03:44:08.680 Yeah, the best place to find me is in my website. 3009 03:44:09.479 --> 03:44:13.200 It's Thomas seven seven seven dot com number seven hl 3010 03:44:13.280 --> 03:44:15.840 A S seven seven seven dot com. If you're gonna 3011 03:44:15.879 --> 03:44:18.200 like find that's the link to my Twitter. It's a 3012 03:44:18.280 --> 03:44:21.159 link to my Instagram, it's a link to my substick, 3013 03:44:22.079 --> 03:44:24.360 it's a link to my t gram and just like 3014 03:44:24.520 --> 03:44:29.000 random other stuffs on there. But uh, the substick is 3015 03:44:29.079 --> 03:44:31.920 where the pot is. It's capital R E A L 3016 03:44:33.120 --> 03:44:38.600 underscore Thomas seven seven seven. That's substack dot com. Because 3017 03:44:38.639 --> 03:44:40.879 we've launched season two of My Phaser, I'm gonna make 3018 03:44:40.879 --> 03:44:44.920 the season one content free. I'm gonna I'm probably gonna 3019 03:44:44.920 --> 03:44:48.280 do that on Monday, like like all season one, you'll 3020 03:44:48.280 --> 03:44:50.440 be able to ask it for free. I may or 3021 03:44:50.479 --> 03:44:55.239 may not upload it to YouTube or rumble, but for 3022 03:44:55.440 --> 03:44:59.680 now you can, Like you don't need any special app 3023 03:44:59.719 --> 03:45:02.040 for any thing you can just listen on. Just go 3024 03:45:02.319 --> 03:45:05.959 go to substack dot com and anything that's that's that's 3025 03:45:06.000 --> 03:45:07.600 not by a paywall. I mean you can just click 3026 03:45:07.639 --> 03:45:11.319 it and listen to it. But yeah, that's that's that's 3027 03:45:11.360 --> 03:45:11.760 what I got. 3028 03:45:12.840 --> 03:45:15.719 All right, until the next time, Thank you as all 3029 03:45:16.159 --> 03:45:16.399 human