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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, welcome back to another weekend fix. Here

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<v Speaker 2>we go. So I'm so enthusiastic because I'm very It's

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<v Speaker 2>a weekend. It's the freaking weekend, baby, and I'm about

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<v Speaker 2>to have me some fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I love a twenty ten reference.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if it is from Mark Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's more like nineteen ninety six. Huh Ignition?

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<v Speaker 1>What year mission?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the remix to Ignition. Idiots.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fresh out the kitchen. Here we go. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is These are some of the stories. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we couldn't fit them in. We only had twenty hours

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<v Speaker 2>to get through the rest of the weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>At ninety eight maybe ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say it was even earlier than Jacob.

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<v Speaker 3>Will you google?

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<v Speaker 1>That?

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<v Speaker 3>Drive me crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a grandmother and I need to know actors when

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<v Speaker 1>I see them on the screen.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to know what else they were in immediately,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh what year? Everything came out?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's funny that you mentioned the grandma thing. There

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<v Speaker 2>was an article specifically that makes you feel old, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was about.

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<v Speaker 3>Which one you're gonna write down?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? This one is called Your Your AI.

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<v Speaker 3>Two thousand and two for Ignition.

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<v Speaker 2>It was later than I woul.

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<v Speaker 1>Like. It's been in my life for much longer than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three years.

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<v Speaker 2>My son is older than that song.

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<v Speaker 3>That's terrifying. You're an old man.

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<v Speaker 2>That is also true.

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<v Speaker 3>Go on to the article.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Your AI Lover Will Change You, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>by a guy in the New Yorker magazine, a guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Jason Lanier, sorry Jaron Lanier, who calls himself a technologist.

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<v Speaker 2>And before we get into the what the article says,

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<v Speaker 2>let's discuss what a technologist is. Okay, because I've got

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<v Speaker 2>a question for you about what sex? Yes, okay, well

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<v Speaker 2>I am here for it. But let's discuss the technologist

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of this. First. I had to look up what

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<v Speaker 2>the term meant. I could kind of guess what I

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<v Speaker 2>think he is. But a technologist is somebody who theorizes

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<v Speaker 2>about philosophy of humanity impacted by technology, okay, and technology

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<v Speaker 2>that's impacted by humanity. But obviously that's sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>that is more of a one way street, since technology

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist without humans. These are the things that we create.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds fascinating, except for how do you get to

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<v Speaker 1>any other conclusion? Then technology screws us all up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he seems to think that there are benefits like.

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<v Speaker 1>Medicine benefits probably sure, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Benefits, transportation, I mean easy that our lives are a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot easier now than they were one hundred years

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<v Speaker 2>ago than they were fifty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Technology makes it easier to get, you know, nudes from

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<v Speaker 1>that strange girl that you met on the subway.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that is one thing that makes it makes sense, But.

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<v Speaker 1>It also makes it harder for you than to go

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<v Speaker 1>home to your wife with those news.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. It doesn't. It doesn't fix all of humanity's problems.

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<v Speaker 3>Right anyway, Sorry to digress, but he.

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<v Speaker 2>Has this interesting discussion in this long article about the

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<v Speaker 2>biological human need of relationship. It's not just a it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just a social need. There's biological benefits to us

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<v Speaker 2>living in community with other people, with other individuals, with

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<v Speaker 2>other with family members, with spouses, with loved ones, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is, there's a benefit to it there. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>documented over and over and over again. But his specific

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<v Speaker 2>tack here is for those people who don't do that well,

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<v Speaker 2>and he kind of he dips into the whole. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>people on the autism spectrum or people who just are

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<v Speaker 2>not good at relationships. If you were to give them

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<v Speaker 2>a surrogate for that, would it benefit humanity in the

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<v Speaker 2>long run.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we talked about the eighty twenty rule that has

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<v Speaker 1>entered the zeitgeist. It's very interesting to hear it pop

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<v Speaker 1>up in different conversations. Eighty twenty and in particular, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways it's popped up recently is that eighty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of women are only interested in twenty percent of men.

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<v Speaker 2>The kid in that Netflix show Alescence reference.

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<v Speaker 1>That, right, And that's not the first time I've heard that,

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<v Speaker 1>And is it true. Let's operate under the principle that

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<v Speaker 1>it is true that eighty percent of the women are

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<v Speaker 1>only interested in twenty percent of the men. Then that

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<v Speaker 1>leaves out eighty percent of the men who feel left out,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's in cells or just people who, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do well in terms of communicating. This is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tailor made for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you believe that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>But that goes back to my initial question of sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Who wants what man wants to spend hours texting with

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<v Speaker 1>an AI chat bot who even presents as like this

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<v Speaker 1>hot girl.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not, if there's no conclusion having sex, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no culmination, or.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a promise of sex at some.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no flick and tickle at the end of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're ruining the romance that I'm trying to provide via

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<v Speaker 1>the AI chat bought.

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<v Speaker 2>Well again this guy. Jaron Lanier writes in this article

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<v Speaker 2>that you can basically come to the conclusion that love

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<v Speaker 2>is real, Our consciousness is real. Love is real, and therefore.

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<v Speaker 1>Love is so different though. It's like you can love

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<v Speaker 1>somebody and not want to have sex with them, but

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<v Speaker 1>you need the relationship where it's the love and the sex.

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<v Speaker 2>That romantic relationship usually ends in that or some aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of it, some kind of intimacy like that. But he

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<v Speaker 2>describes love as a target to be conquered. Now, when

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<v Speaker 2>you're a teenager, when you're when's the first time you

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<v Speaker 2>think you had a crush on a boy? Me well, eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>twelve thirteen, somewhere much earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>I recently found old diaries in my mom's house, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had a crush on somebody whose name I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember when I was about six years old, and I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I filled up pages writing his name over and over.

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<v Speaker 3>What a little psycho, What a little fucking psycho.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, that is what I was inaccurate. I

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<v Speaker 2>was afraid to make eye contact while you were reliving that.

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<v Speaker 2>But those those earliest times when we think of attraction,

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<v Speaker 2>that's six. I'm not going to say it was a

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<v Speaker 2>physical attraction, although you were attracted to how he looks.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably with dave L was he's not listening, I trust No,

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<v Speaker 3>that's just.

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<v Speaker 1>How you refer to everyone in the first grade. You

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<v Speaker 1>know their first name and then their last initial.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's the way the teacher did it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, because there was like three daves, you know, Dave L,

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<v Speaker 1>Dave R, Dave S. Anyway, Dave L probably to me

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<v Speaker 1>at one point and the infatuation went out the window.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing that makes the whole AI thing I

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<v Speaker 1>think attractive is that it's easy to be infatuated with

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's not really someone. It's easy not to have

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<v Speaker 1>a real life relationship. It's easy to watch porn and

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<v Speaker 1>do your thing and not have to deal with what

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<v Speaker 1>does she want for dinner? And she gonna want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk and I want to watch this show? Why does

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<v Speaker 1>she want to watch this show?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, there's so much ease that goes into an AI relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>If you just want that back and forth banter and

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<v Speaker 1>then you're going to go and she'll talk dirty to

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<v Speaker 1>you whatever, and you can can take care of your

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<v Speaker 1>of course, that's an easy thing that's going to sweep

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<v Speaker 1>the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you said this this in the context of

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<v Speaker 2>what do you call it, the we two movement? Me

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<v Speaker 2>too movement? Sorry? We two? Me too? What a man

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<v Speaker 2>thing to say, but that I've forgotten it already too.

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<v Speaker 2>You've said this in the context of the me Too

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<v Speaker 2>movement that there were some allegations that were made that

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<v Speaker 2>did not rise to the level of being so offensive

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<v Speaker 2>that that person, the man that did it, needed to

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<v Speaker 2>be canceled or fire to whatever. There's a certain aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of it that is at the base level. Sometimes you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to learn how to deal with dickheads. You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to learn to deal with those guys that

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna whip it out and put it in your

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<v Speaker 2>face or they are going to push you around, not physically,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean emotionally. And you have to find a

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<v Speaker 2>way to deal with them that doesn't make that person,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't excuse their behavior, but it empowers you to get

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<v Speaker 2>through situations that otherwise you would crumble and fall. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the worst aspects of an AI

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<v Speaker 2>chatbot replacing a relationship or real relationship is they don't

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<v Speaker 2>push back. The way that AI chatbots are designed is

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<v Speaker 2>to continuously learn from you, learn what makes you happy,

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<v Speaker 2>and then continue to do those things.

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<v Speaker 3>There are no doubriats, calibrate to what makes you happy totally.

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<v Speaker 1>If the AI bought says something that's not that you're

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<v Speaker 1>not down with, or you don't respond in kind, then

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to recalibrate and give you what you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear. How dangerous is that? I mean it sounds lovely,

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<v Speaker 1>but also a little pushback is good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well again, it's the way that we grow. We human

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<v Speaker 2>beings grow, whether it's physically like muscles or emotions or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever is you have to go through something difficult. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>think about what when you work out, you tear down

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<v Speaker 2>your muscle fibers so that when you eat and relax,

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<v Speaker 2>those muscle fibers build back bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob's thumbs up from Jacob. That's how it works. And

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<v Speaker 2>then emotionally, if you don't have experience in some name

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<v Speaker 2>it in grief or something like that, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>go through it in order to learn how to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that sucks, doesn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>And in these AI chatbots, if all they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>do is appease you, you don't know how to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with frustration with another person.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it's easy. It's easy.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we as humans go for the easy route

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, sometimes it's the hardest route, right, if

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<v Speaker 1>you go for the ease all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how popular are cold plunges right as a wellness thing?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not because it I listen, I've done. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>a freaking racket, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>I just cold water in your shower, get into it

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<v Speaker 1>for five minutes instead of an entire run, you a

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<v Speaker 1>cold shower for twenty bucks an hour, whenever they charge

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<v Speaker 1>at those places, the whole cold plunge, red light therapy,

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<v Speaker 1>give me a freaking break.

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<v Speaker 3>What a racket.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're doing something, how.

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<v Speaker 3>About you know what it's like? Collagen? It's like it's

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<v Speaker 3>advertised all the time to people my age, right, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your age old. Okay, So like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like that's not I love the idea to fight

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<v Speaker 1>our skin's all going to sag. The cold plunge is

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<v Speaker 2>And the difference is those people who tell you I

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<v Speaker 2>the people who do a four minute cold plunge every

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<v Speaker 2>morning and don't advertise it. Yeah, they're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>benefit from it, because for whatever reason, it's a difficult thing,

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't a little bit of that go away when you

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean. Like the difficulty of it, the

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it'll make you feel good too. But there's a

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<v Speaker 1>difference between sharing information and you know, posting about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, although I don't feel like people are doing

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<v Speaker 1>not spending a lot of time on the talking about This.

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<v Speaker 2>Article from New Yorker called Your AI Lover Will Change

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<v Speaker 1>Go further, not just teenage girls, because the thing about

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<v Speaker 3>I love men.

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<v Speaker 1>But the communication is not always on point. Women are

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<v Speaker 1>more communicative, and if could you imagine a man who

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<v Speaker 1>be intuitive when it comes to telling you what you

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<v Speaker 1>of game, right there, you know I put it. I

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<v Speaker 1>phrased this more so for men earlier on, saying it's

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<v Speaker 1>the affirmations and then you know she sends you hot

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<v Speaker 1>AI picks and whatever, and you can women just the same,

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<v Speaker 1>women just the same. I mean for the communication alone, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean a guy who a chatbot who tells you

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<v Speaker 1>like those genes dot compliments right, like not your genes

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't find them anymore. It but but you know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>could you imagine a specific thoughtful compliments so to speak?

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<v Speaker 1>built to communicate that way. That's why women give each

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<v Speaker 1>other these compliments, right, because we are built that way

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<v Speaker 1>love those pants. That color looks amazing, your eyes look

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<v Speaker 1>programmed to be specific like.

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<v Speaker 2>That, but isn't. And because AI would fill that void,

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<v Speaker 2>would give you that kind of language back, or give

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<v Speaker 3>To hear what you have to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust me, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>My housband tries really hard. He'll be like, how is

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<v Speaker 3>your day?

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<v Speaker 2>Does he stifle every time?

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<v Speaker 1>No, but he makes the effort, even though that runs

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<v Speaker 1>probably counter productive to what he cares to here, Rather.

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<v Speaker 3>You be there those to make the effort, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He would rather you come home or he comes home

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<v Speaker 2>a hug and a kiss and just sit quietly for

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit in the same room, right that, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Would be the meal be in the same room close.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, that would recharge his battery rather than you just.

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<v Speaker 1>Like but imagine, imagine I come home to my AI

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<v Speaker 1>bought and you can just unload and I'm like in

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<v Speaker 1>the AI bots like how was your day? And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>Gary was a complete asshole today, and the AI bought

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<v Speaker 1>would be like, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>So bad, remember when he said this?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'd be like exactly, and it plays back the

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<v Speaker 2>actual audio. But but what it does is and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that this is one of the It can cause

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest problems in a relationship, but it can also

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<v Speaker 2>be the best part of the relationship. Is there's you

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<v Speaker 2>and whoever you're in a relationship with are different people,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to be able to learn. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to learn allow yourself to learn what makes that person tick. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what you can give them to make that happen. Where

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<v Speaker 2>your limitations are when that happens.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's all changing. It's an ever changing post constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're in a long term relationship, then then it's

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<v Speaker 2>always going to be different or you know, and you

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<v Speaker 2>may it may come back to the original plan the

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<v Speaker 2>way that you were when you first met the person.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a friction there that makes you grow, that

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<v Speaker 2>makes you grow. You go through those difficult things together

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<v Speaker 2>in the relationship, and the relationship grows stronger hopefully as

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<v Speaker 2>a result of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you kill each other and end up on Dateline

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<v Speaker 1>with Keith Morrison narrating your life story.

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<v Speaker 2>But it happens that a great ending. All that happens

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<v Speaker 2>less often, I think. Then I guess there's three versions

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<v Speaker 2>of it. One as you end up killing that person

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<v Speaker 2>one as you just fall out of love and you

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<v Speaker 2>just get bored together. That's really the worst or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be rather my husband kill me than become indifferent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're going to mark that and we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>send that off.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep that in our I mean, I know that you

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<v Speaker 3>really loved me if he killed me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really?

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that how it starts?

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<v Speaker 2>But then the friction ends up when it turns to sex,

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<v Speaker 2>when it turns to something physical. Anybody who's worked on

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<v Speaker 2>these or lived with this AI chatbot for for their relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have There's no there's no culmination. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying that that sex is the ultimate end for

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship, but it's an important thing that makes us human.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you don't have that at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Of it, it's just yea and all you know is

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<v Speaker 1>masturbating to porn, then you're gonna be fine with that

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<v Speaker 1>your whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I think there's a I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's an internal ingrained probably desire to be with another person.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so, But is it worth or how about

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<v Speaker 3>I hope there is.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that that's not enough for people.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Either you're going to fall in love with your AI lever,

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<v Speaker 1>but your AI lever won't kill you.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, it will never kill you. You'll never know it

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<v Speaker 3>truly cares.

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<v Speaker 2>This This whole article is pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this all written by the technologist?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again he's he's more in favor sex. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think he's getting Well, that's really the questions because

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<v Speaker 2>because he's in favor of allowing especially teenagers to use

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<v Speaker 2>AI chatbots to kind of get through some of the

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<v Speaker 2>early stuff, awkward stuff, to do it to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in this privacy their own home, as opposed to hurting

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else, whether it's emotionally.

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<v Speaker 1>Or physicals, like training wheels on your I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>awful communication, it's awful.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but this is the way they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing things anyway. They're not actually talking to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>The first year of relationship is via text, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so if they could learn how to text better with

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, you send nudes to your AI chat they have children.

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<v Speaker 2>It tells you to face these questions, get a little closer.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't take the don't take it in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't take it in the that was going to end,

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<v Speaker 3>but take it in.

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<v Speaker 2>The bathroom, Like, don't take the picture in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wrong with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I don't want to see you on the weekends anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not like you're going to read them. No,

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<v Speaker 2>Do all the things that the kids tell you to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and the stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Do weird stuff to it, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>don't shut the door on love.

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