Speaker 1: Bill cunning into Grant America. Welcome to someone Randy Afternoon
Speaker 1: in the tri States. Coming up later as Michael Wright scheduling.
Speaker 1: Michael Wright, he's the attorney for the estate Shall always
Speaker 1: saved the eighteen year old who was killed at the
Speaker 1: hands of Cincinnati police because of his behavior. That's the
Speaker 1: estate of Ryan Hinton, eighteen years old plus. Later on
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the arrangement, further arraynment and
Speaker 1: no bond hearing set this morning and the father's charges,
Speaker 1: that being Rodney Hinton. But until then you may not
Speaker 1: know it or not. This is an election day, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, are you kidding me? It's an election and
Speaker 1: we have the man in charge of elections in the
Speaker 1: state of OHI Frank LaRose, Secretary of State. And Frank,
Speaker 1: welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Frank, how
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 2: Ben Willie? And it is election day.
Speaker 3: The pouls have been opened for hours and they're ready
Speaker 3: to go. Over three thousand voting locations open until seven
Speaker 3: thirty tonight. Only two percent of Ale Highlands have already
Speaker 3: voted through the early vote process. That it means ninety
Speaker 3: eight percent of you need to still get out and
Speaker 3: make your voice heard.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's it.
Speaker 1: Two two percent. So there's a ways to go to
Speaker 1: get to fifty percent, which is impossible. Tony Bender wants
Speaker 1: to know what about state issue too, because I know
Speaker 1: everything I think.
Speaker 4: I like to communicate that to my listeners. Actually, I
Speaker 4: know nothing about state issue too. So can you tell
Speaker 4: me to vote yay or naym state issue too? Or
Speaker 4: can you not give me a yes or no? Just
Speaker 4: tell me what it is? Which is it?
Speaker 2: I'd be happy to tell you how I voted.
Speaker 3: My wife and I went and voted early at the
Speaker 3: Franklin County Board of Elections on Saturday, and we both
Speaker 3: voted yes on issue too. If you want to do
Speaker 3: your own homework, vote Ohio dot gov is our website.
Speaker 3: You'll see the full language of the amendment. If you
Speaker 3: want to look at it, you'll see an argument, a
Speaker 3: very concise argument for it, and a very concise argument
Speaker 3: against it. But here's the simple way to understand this.
Speaker 3: This is a decades old infrastructure program in Ohio that
Speaker 3: borrows money to pay for roads and bridges and water
Speaker 3: and sewer. I would call the good kind of government spending.
Speaker 3: We all know about the nonsense government spending. This is
Speaker 3: the stuff that Trump and Musk have been rooting out
Speaker 3: through DOGE and there are plenty of things that at
Speaker 3: least the federal level that they waste money on. Infrastructure, though,
Speaker 3: is a smart investment when you're building roads and building
Speaker 3: bridges and water and sewer. This is the stuff that
Speaker 3: our economy rides on. That's why a lot of the
Speaker 3: businesss like the Chamber of Commerce and others have been
Speaker 3: strong supporters of a yes.
Speaker 2: Vote on issue too.
Speaker 3: It allows the state legislature to borrow five or sorry
Speaker 3: two point five billion dollars over the next few decades
Speaker 3: to invest that money at the local level. It has
Speaker 3: worked well for Ohio over the last few decades, and
Speaker 3: I think it's a smart thing. But again, do your
Speaker 3: own homework, vot dot and go for all the information.
Speaker 3: By the way, it has nothing to do with football
Speaker 3: stadiums anywhere.
Speaker 2: There's been some confusion about this. As you know, I'm
Speaker 2: a life long Browns fan.
Speaker 3: I understand you guys have a football team down there
Speaker 3: at Cincinnati as well that you all love and you should.
Speaker 3: But this has nothing to do with the debate that's
Speaker 3: currently happening in the state legislature they are debating whether
Speaker 3: they will do a bond program to borrow money for
Speaker 3: a football stadium. This has nothing to do with that issue, too,
Speaker 3: is a completely separate thing.
Speaker 1: So if this is intertwined with the Cleveland Browns not
Speaker 1: real popular in Cincinnati, or the Bengals not real popular
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, or with Ohio State, they get all the
Speaker 1: money anyway, because all you guys in Columbus take care
Speaker 1: of Ohio State. This has nothing to do with building stadiums.
Speaker 1: This is about continuing roads and bridges things like that. Correct,
Speaker 1: nothing to do.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: If you don't like potholes, if you want clean water
Speaker 3: and good sewer systems that work when you flush the toilet,
Speaker 3: then a vote yes on ISSUQ would be my recommendation. Again,
Speaker 3: it invests money in infrastructure only, and it does it
Speaker 3: at the local level. And that's what's important to point out.
Speaker 1: You brought it up about the dose, etc. We have
Speaker 1: a candidate for governor who I think is going to
Speaker 1: be endorsed to stay wide on Friday by the state
Speaker 1: Republican Party, which is quite unusual. Normally, you Republicans let
Speaker 1: primaries determine by the voters who to vote for, and
Speaker 1: normally it's hands off. You've got two or three qualified
Speaker 1: people running for governor. David Yost have had him on repeatedly, Mammy,
Speaker 1: even more than I've had you on. Is a very
Speaker 1: popular attorney general, wins every time he runs. He's announced
Speaker 1: for governor. David Yosho would be a good governor. We
Speaker 1: have another candidate running, Vivike Ramaswami that everyone's endorsing, beginning
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. I know you're endorsed him. Got in early.
Speaker 1: And why is the Republican Party, which is supposedly organized
Speaker 1: to let the voters decide in primaries who to vote for,
Speaker 1: gonna tip the scales in favor of Aveke Ramaswami against
Speaker 1: David Yost, who's been there for the past thirty years
Speaker 1: in one office or another. Can you answer that question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're right to mention David is a good man.
Speaker 2: I had a good public servant.
Speaker 3: But my strong choice is for Viveke Ramaswami.
Speaker 2: I was the first to endorse.
Speaker 3: Him because I believe that Vivek will be a transformational.
Speaker 2: Governor, not just a good governor, not a company.
Speaker 3: Governor, a transformational governor for Ohio. That's why I'm supporting him.
Speaker 3: My endorsement isn't the one that matters the most. That
Speaker 3: one comes from President Trump, who early on endorsed Leveik.
Speaker 3: He referred to Vevek as something special and talked about
Speaker 3: him as a generational leader. Now, listen, it's still up
Speaker 3: to the voters. That always will be for them to
Speaker 3: decide who they want their party's nominee to be. They
Speaker 3: will make that decision next spring when the state holds
Speaker 3: it primary. I support the party endorsing Vivek, And there's
Speaker 3: a simple, really two reasons why the party has a
Speaker 3: responsibility to give the seal of approval, to give a
Speaker 3: nod to who they think is the best person. Most
Speaker 3: voters are busy people. They have families to raise, the
Speaker 3: businesses to run, and they're looking for some indication from
Speaker 3: the state party who they believe would be our best candidate.
Speaker 3: And for the state party to endorse is not an
Speaker 3: unusual thing. In fact, they've endorsed in primaries throughout their history.
Speaker 3: It did last year they endorsed President Trump. Ohio is
Speaker 3: the first state in the country to endorse President Trump,
Speaker 3: and so it is a normal and expected thing for
Speaker 3: the party to do that.
Speaker 2: But again, I'm.
Speaker 3: Supporting him because I think he's the guy that can
Speaker 3: really transform Ohio. He's got great energy, great vision. Well,
Speaker 3: let me describe it to you like this. In the military,
Speaker 3: we have leaders that we have to follow because they've
Speaker 3: got more rank than us, and everybody just kind of
Speaker 3: grits their teeth and does what the commander says because
Speaker 3: he's got more rank on his sleeve than you do.
Speaker 3: Big is that rare kind of leader that you follow
Speaker 3: because you want to. He's got a clear vision, he
Speaker 3: articulates it well, he's got the energy to carry that
Speaker 3: vision out, and he also has the courage the courage
Speaker 3: to get tough things done, like eliminating the state income text,
Speaker 3: which is one of the major proposals he's been talking about,
Speaker 3: improving public education in Ohio, improving our energy grid in Ohio,
Speaker 3: things that really are necessary for Ohio to be a
Speaker 3: state of excellence. I think with ak Ramaswami is the
Speaker 3: man to deliver on that, and I think that the
Speaker 3: Republican Party should endorse him when they meet on Friday.
Speaker 1: Frank LeRose, I'll play devil's advocate. He wants to get
Speaker 1: rid of the state income tax, which is like two
Speaker 1: or three percent. There's another group that wants to get
Speaker 1: rid of the state property tax. We have no property taxes,
Speaker 1: then we have no income taxes. One might ask, how
Speaker 1: does the state raise about sixty billion dollars a year
Speaker 1: If there's no income tax and no property tax, where
Speaker 1: does the money come from. There's a tree behind city
Speaker 1: Hall and then one plumb street that Charlie Luken used
Speaker 1: to say, I go back there and shake the money
Speaker 1: tree and the money just falls out.
Speaker 4: So if we have no income tax and no property tax,
Speaker 4: where how does the money come from?
Speaker 1: All these things are popular in the vacuum.
Speaker 3: Sure, there is a group that wants to eliminate the
Speaker 3: property tax. I think that may be a little bit
Speaker 3: of a of a bad plan. I think what we
Speaker 3: should do is cap the property tax. I think property
Speaker 3: taxes are entirely too high. One of the reasons I'm
Speaker 3: running for state auditor, by the way, is that I
Speaker 3: think that we need to scrutinize the way local government
Speaker 3: spends money so that they're not constantly coming to the
Speaker 3: ballot for another tax increase over and over again. That's
Speaker 3: property tax, income tax. Listen, we compete with forty nine
Speaker 3: other states, and many states throughout this country have eliminated
Speaker 3: their income tax, states like Texas, states like Florida State,
Speaker 3: Flake Tennessee that in many cases never had one. If
Speaker 3: Ohio is going to compete in the modern economy to
Speaker 3: attract talent to our state and to attract businesses to
Speaker 3: our state, I think it's time that we continue phasing
Speaker 3: out and in short order eliminate the state income tax.
Speaker 3: And by the way, other states find ways to raise
Speaker 3: the revenue they need through sales taxes and that kind
Speaker 3: of thing, that we can fund the essential services of
Speaker 3: state government, which of course we want to do. We
Speaker 3: want to have police officers and good public schools and
Speaker 3: all those kind of things that state government needs to buy.
Speaker 2: But the income tax is a bad way of.
Speaker 3: Doing it, and I think it's time that Ohio joins
Speaker 3: a lot of other states and gets rid of that.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things that Pavec is running on, and.
Speaker 1: Frank Laro's on property taxes. I don't think it should
Speaker 1: be eliminated. But if someone's a senior citizen on a
Speaker 1: fixed income, if the house is worth less than no, no, no,
Speaker 1: pick a number three hundred thousand, dollars and they have
Speaker 1: an income of fifty thousand dollars sixty thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1: You don't pay state income tax on Social Security, but
Speaker 1: you pay federal tax. Maybe that's going to change. Ken.
Speaker 1: I'm sensitive to older Americans that don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of assets, that have to sell their house biers they
Speaker 1: can't afford. What can you do to keep property taxes?
Speaker 1: But put a cap. If you're a senior citizen on
Speaker 1: a fixed income, without a half million dollars in assets,
Speaker 1: without a job that's paying you five hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a year, how do you fashion it to keep the
Speaker 1: old folks in the community because they pay taxes their
Speaker 1: whole life. How do you do that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right, especially for those seniors that paid
Speaker 3: off their homes or for people like me that are
Speaker 3: still paying a mortgage. When you look at your interest
Speaker 3: payment and your principal payment, and it's starting to look
Speaker 3: like your property taxes are just as much as your interest.
Speaker 3: In principle, it's un American. And there are two things
Speaker 3: that lead to this problem. One is again, wasteful spending
Speaker 3: at the local level needs to be screwed. Denies that's
Speaker 3: something that the state auditor can do. And the other
Speaker 3: thing is that they need to have a cap on
Speaker 3: property tax. Rather a cap on property tax would help
Speaker 3: prevent these big increases that we've seen in recent years.
Speaker 3: That's something that I think our next governor of ak Bromswami,
Speaker 3: working with our state legislature.
Speaker 2: Will get done. And that's why I'm a big support that.
Speaker 3: For seniors, the state of Ohio has a thing currently
Speaker 3: called the Homestead Exempt provide a very small measure of
Speaker 3: relief to seniors, but it's not nearly enough, and I
Speaker 3: think we need to boost that by now.
Speaker 1: Lastly, you bring up police officers this community. I know
Speaker 1: you're a high flute and politician there in Columbus, but
Speaker 1: you're also a military man. And we had a terrible
Speaker 1: incident in which a father, thirty eight year old Rodney Hinton,
Speaker 1: used his car as a weapon to kill Deputy Sheriff
Speaker 1: Larry Henderson last week. And we have a situation here
Speaker 1: where the eighteen year old his son was hoisting was
Speaker 1: jack and carrs all over northern Kentucky, driving them into
Speaker 1: Ohio to use for various purposes, including committing crimes using
Speaker 1: a Kia or a Hyundai. It's not their vehicle, and
Speaker 1: the police recalled. They come to the scene. The eighteen
Speaker 1: year old boy runs. He's got in his possession a
Speaker 1: nine millimeter with an extended mag The officers say the
Speaker 1: gun was pointed at them had the ability to shoot
Speaker 1: about thirty two projectiles in about six seconds. The officer
Speaker 1: took quick notice of that fact and shot and killed
Speaker 1: Ryan Hinton, who's eighteen years old. I have his attorney,
Speaker 1: the attorney for the estate, coming up in about an hour.
Speaker 1: His name is Michael Wright. And at this point, there
Speaker 1: was a hearing hell this morning in municipal court in
Speaker 1: which my friend judged tyrone Yates. And I mean my friend,
Speaker 1: he's a good guy. We used to practice law together.
Speaker 1: Set no bond in the case of the father who
Speaker 1: murdered in cold blood a police officer. You travel the state,
Speaker 1: you go to Cleveland. Unfortunately in Toledo and Columbus and Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed a general lack of respect for law
Speaker 1: enforcement in every major city, not just in Ohio, but
Speaker 1: around the country.
Speaker 3: I think there are a small minority of Ohioans that
Speaker 3: don't respect law enforcement. I think the best mcburry of
Speaker 3: us do I was with a group of sheriff's deputies
Speaker 3: last night in Clinton County and they all have the
Speaker 3: black bands on their badge because they were in mourning
Speaker 3: for their brother, Deputy Henderson. And so we need to
Speaker 3: first and foremost keep his family and his brother deputies,
Speaker 3: brother and sister deputies in our prayers. Every day we
Speaker 3: ask good men and women to put on a badge
Speaker 3: and a gun and to go out there and to
Speaker 3: risk their lives to protect our safety. Anyone who would
Speaker 3: dare try to or be successful in taking the life
Speaker 3: of one of our dear public servants, one of these
Speaker 3: great law enforcement officers deserves to have the full force
Speaker 3: of the law brought down them. I think that somebody
Speaker 3: like that you need to make an example of them
Speaker 3: so that people see that this is not something that
Speaker 3: we as a society would ever hollering. These are our
Speaker 3: finest or finest Ohioans that serve us in law enforcement.
Speaker 3: And guess what, ninety nine point nine percent of the time,
Speaker 3: these are men and women that follow their training and
Speaker 3: do the right thing. And on those rare occasions when
Speaker 3: somebody doesn't do the right thing, there will be consequences
Speaker 3: for it. They will have to pay the price if
Speaker 3: they don't follow their training and they don't do the
Speaker 3: right thing. But someone taking the law into their own
Speaker 3: hands is completely unacceptable. And this perpetrator, if the facts
Speaker 3: prove this out, it's the full penalty that's available.
Speaker 1: To him, and it's supposedly it's a death penalty. But
Speaker 1: my friend and yours, Mike Dwine, doesn't. He kind of
Speaker 1: mouths the idea that I'm in favor of the death penalty,
Speaker 1: but in reality he isn't because he will not sign
Speaker 1: a death warrant. Do you have some indication if a
Speaker 1: fake Ramaswami is the governor that he would sign death
Speaker 1: warrants for those who purposely murder police officers.
Speaker 3: I'd have to let him speak for himself on that issue.
Speaker 3: As much time as we've spent out on the campaign trail,
Speaker 3: I've not heard him articulate his his stance on that,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure he has a well thought out one.
Speaker 3: I'll say this that I'm generally one that believes that
Speaker 3: the death penalty should be used very sparingly.
Speaker 2: In many cases, it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: I think the case is somebody that that in wanton
Speaker 3: cold blood kills, a law enforcement officer. That's the one
Speaker 3: of the times that that the death penalty definitely should
Speaker 3: be applied doesn't apply.
Speaker 1: And if Hamilton County doesn't prosecute him with a spec
Speaker 1: death penalty, spec, we don't have a death penalty. I
Speaker 1: felt the same thing in Claremont County when that young
Speaker 1: father purposely murdered as three boys in cold blood, three children,
Speaker 1: and they decided Clairemont County not to have a spec
Speaker 1: death penalty and gave life imprisonment without possibility of pearl.
Speaker 1: Claremont County doesn't have a death penalty. And if this
Speaker 1: is not prosecuted as a death penalty case, we don't
Speaker 1: have a death penalty in Hamilton County. And if it's
Speaker 1: applied that haphazardly, we shouldn't have the death penalty. If
Speaker 1: people like this don't get it, we might as well
Speaker 1: not have one. But once again, Frank Leroe, Secretary State,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on and you say vote yes an
Speaker 1: issue too. And if you need more explanation, check out
Speaker 1: the website vot odo Ohio dot gov. It explains what
Speaker 1: it is. It has nothing to do with stadiums, had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. It's about rows and bridges,
Speaker 1: and sewer systems, things like that. And once again, Frank LeRose,
Speaker 1: you're a soldier and secretary of state and you're going
Speaker 1: to become what the auditor in about a year and
Speaker 1: a half. Is that the deal?
Speaker 2: God willing?
Speaker 3: I'm running for auditor of state. And listen a local
Speaker 3: elections matter.
Speaker 2: Get out and vote. The polls are up until seven
Speaker 2: thirty tonight. Will even give you a free sticker when
Speaker 2: you come to vote.
Speaker 1: I promise plus a two percent turnout so far, there's
Speaker 1: a little ways to go. Will there be a ten
Speaker 1: percent turnout? Is that possible?
Speaker 3: Gosh?
Speaker 2: I hope, so I'm not holding my breath.
Speaker 3: One hundred and seventy two thousand, six hundred and fifty two.
Speaker 3: One hundred and seventy two thousand, six hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: two Ohioans have voted already through the early vote period.
Speaker 2: That means two percent.
Speaker 3: That means about ninety eight percent of us still need
Speaker 3: to get off our bucks, get out there and vote
Speaker 3: and do our ourseic duty.
Speaker 1: Now this is about ten thousand different ways to vote.
Speaker 1: That sounds to me like voter suppression, but we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. Frank, thank you very much for coming on
Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Show, especially your comments on law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Thanks, Let's continue with more. And
Speaker 1: of course Franklin Rose himself as a soldier, so he's
Speaker 1: in the reserves, has served active duty, etc. And so
Speaker 1: I love having individuals on like Franklin Rose. Let's continue
Speaker 1: with more. My comments next on not Guilty by Reason
Speaker 1: of Insanity and also the comments of Clyde Bennett. This
Speaker 1: morning during the arrangement the second arrangment of the murderer
Speaker 1: of Deputy Sheriff Larry Henderson, Bill Cunningham on seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW Billy Cunningham WI was set up the rest of
Speaker 1: today's Big show after one o'clock today, arrange for Michael Wright,
Speaker 1: the attorney that had the news conference yesterday with the
Speaker 1: family of Ryan Hinton, to be here with us and
Speaker 1: talk about his civil claims against the people of Cincinnati
Speaker 1: and r Hamlety County relative to the killing of Ryan
Speaker 1: Hinton at the hands of the police officer whose name
Speaker 1: should be released sometime in the next few days. He
Speaker 1: has nothing, in my view to be ashamed about whatsoever.
Speaker 1: It's sad what happened, what had to occur because of
Speaker 1: the behavior of the eighteen year old Ryan Hinton. But
Speaker 1: Michael Wright is looking at it from a civil perspective.
Speaker 1: He's with the Johnny Cochrane, the law firm, and he
Speaker 1: also represented that Crawford young man that was shot in
Speaker 1: a walmart in Beaver Creek, and that case has been
Speaker 1: going on for about ten years. And these are difficult
Speaker 1: cases because I would think that even in today's world,
Speaker 1: the jury has great sympathy for a police officer and
Speaker 1: the circumstances in which they find themselves making split second
Speaker 1: life and debt decisions. And this case may hinge upon
Speaker 1: a part of the videotape that may not exist, which
Speaker 1: is the exact half a second before the shots were
Speaker 1: fired by the police officer, where was the nine millimeter
Speaker 1: weapon of Ryan Hinton? Pointed? I would think that Michael
Speaker 1: Wright's going to focus on the fact that that Hinton
Speaker 1: was running away and was not, shall we say, his
Speaker 1: view presenting a risk of imminent danger to the police officer.
Speaker 1: Now I have a different perspective on that I'm going
Speaker 1: to share with you. But nonetheless, I want to thank
Speaker 1: Michael Wright for green to come on at one oh
Speaker 1: seven today, who conducted the news conference yesterday with the
Speaker 1: Hinton family and also after two o'clock day we have
Speaker 1: a representative of the Shield coming on and I know
Speaker 1: Chief Wallace and Amberley Village is one of the ones
Speaker 1: that have the organization together that allows people like you
Speaker 1: to make donations to a fund which is used to
Speaker 1: assist the families of dead, injured, the first responders, and
Speaker 1: other needs than one. So I'm going to talk with
Speaker 1: that gentleman after two o'clock today to discuss how you
Speaker 1: can get involved if that is your desire, because at
Speaker 1: this point there was a scrubbing of a go fundme
Speaker 1: page for Ryan Hinton and for I guess indirectly Rodney Hinton,
Speaker 1: the father and the son who's dead, to let people
Speaker 1: will contribute to that. You might recall Luigi Mangioni who
Speaker 1: was charged and actually killed on video CEO of United Health.
Speaker 1: They've raised about two million dollars in that go fund
Speaker 1: me page is still open in the Empire State. Maybe Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: Ohio is different, but that's been scrubbed and taken down.
Speaker 1: But after two o'clock today there will be a means
Speaker 1: and a method for you to show your appreciation to
Speaker 1: the family of Larry Henderson, who gave his life for
Speaker 1: you and I now let's get into several issues. Clyde
Speaker 1: Bennett is the attorney for Rodney Hinton. He was in
Speaker 1: Room May this morning and he raised the issue of
Speaker 1: nngri not guilty of a reason of insanity, and also
Speaker 1: the issue that whether or not Rodney Hinton thirty eight
Speaker 1: year old father could counsel with him on his own. Behalf.
Speaker 1: There's two aspects of insanity. One as are you presently ability?
Speaker 1: Do you have the ability presently to understand the nature
Speaker 1: of the charges against you? Can you counsel with your
Speaker 1: lawyer on your defense? Behalf? So number one, you have
Speaker 1: to get over that hurle first before you get to
Speaker 1: NNGRI I not guilty reason of insanity, You have to
Speaker 1: first have some independent evaluation in with Clyde Bennett. And
Speaker 1: I have a call out to him to come on
Speaker 1: tomorrow to talk about does Rodney Hinton thirty eight years
Speaker 1: old suffer from a disease, a mental disease or defect
Speaker 1: that prohibits him from counseling with Clyde Bennett. In other words,
Speaker 1: he's he currently mentally ill? And if he's presently mentally ill,
Speaker 1: and this is after extensive psychiatric evaluations by state and
Speaker 1: by defense experts on the subject matter. Then that the
Speaker 1: case itself is put off to the side for months
Speaker 1: or years or forever. That is, if you have a
Speaker 1: defendant that cannot counsel with you, doesn't understand the nature
Speaker 1: of the charges against him, you're not brought to trial
Speaker 1: until you're restored to sanity. There seems to be an
Speaker 1: implication for Clyde Bennett he may go down that route first.
Speaker 1: Then the second issue is whether or not, under the
Speaker 1: so called McNaughton standard, whether he's gonna follow not guilty
Speaker 1: by reason of insanity n gri I and try to
Speaker 1: claim do it. In this case, it would be a jury,
Speaker 1: a jury to decide whether or not he should receive
Speaker 1: a not guilty or reason of insanity. And if the
Speaker 1: jury finds him not guilty by reason of insanity, unlike
Speaker 1: many other states, Ohio means that means he's not guilty
Speaker 1: and he's sent to a mental hospital until he's restored
Speaker 1: to sanity. And if he is restored to sanity, he's
Speaker 1: not guilty of the offense of shall we say, killing
Speaker 1: Officer Larry Henderson. That means he is set free. Once
Speaker 1: he's restored to sanity. Now that's a long process. It
Speaker 1: will take many years for that to occur, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, like a light switch on and off of
Speaker 1: mental illness. So number one, Clyde Bennett seems to be saying,
Speaker 1: I can't counsel with Rodney Hinton, he doesn't understand what's
Speaker 1: going on. And so over the next few weeks and months,
Speaker 1: the state and the defense will have psychiatric examinations of
Speaker 1: Rodney Hint Hinton to determine if presently in May and
Speaker 1: June and July, does he have the ability to counsel
Speaker 1: with his attorney on his own behalf and very rarely
Speaker 1: do you have that case. I've handled maybe seven or
Speaker 1: eight gris and I haven't had one yet succeed because
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of us are half crazy. But
Speaker 1: that's not the standard. So if he's able to speak
Speaker 1: thing of some English language, if he can read the indictment,
Speaker 1: if he understands who aggravated murder with the charge is,
Speaker 1: if he can meet with Clyde Bennett and they can
Speaker 1: exchange questions and answers, answers and questions back and forth,
Speaker 1: that procedure may take a few months to determine. Okay,
Speaker 1: Rodney Hinton understands he charges with the aggravated murder, I
Speaker 1: would think with his death penalty speck. He understands the
Speaker 1: nature the charge against him, understands the possible penalties, and
Speaker 1: you can counsel with Clyde Bennett. Okay, that's the first hurdle.
Speaker 1: Get over that one. Now we're on the big one.
Speaker 1: N g RI I not guilty by reason of insanity,
Speaker 1: And we have a relatively new law Governor Mike DeWine
Speaker 1: signed which bans the imposition of the death penalty on
Speaker 1: defendants who were seriously mentally ill at the time the
Speaker 1: offense was committed. Now, that's different than being found not guilty.
Speaker 1: So many times one might have how we say, a
Speaker 1: diminished capacity not sufficient to rise to the not guilty
Speaker 1: of a reason of insanity. But instead of having a
Speaker 1: serious mental illness as defined by statute, the defendant must
Speaker 1: be diagnosed with either schizophrenia, schizophrenia with effective components, bipolar disorder,
Speaker 1: or delusional disorder. Now it doesn't arise to the level
Speaker 1: of being found not guilty, but if you suffer from
Speaker 1: serious mental defects, you can't be execute it. So that's
Speaker 1: another thing, that's number three down the road. So if
Speaker 1: I'm conducting a law school class, number one is he
Speaker 1: presently mentally ill, doesn't understand the nature of the charges
Speaker 1: against him, can't discuss matters of Clyde Bennett. I would
Speaker 1: think that's a that's a high standard. And so the
Speaker 1: courts rarely find that someone is so mentally ill presently
Speaker 1: they can't stand trial. And if that's the case, if
Speaker 1: they're found they can't stand trial, there could be months
Speaker 1: or years, or the case may never come to trial.
Speaker 1: Get over that hurdle. Let's say we get over that
Speaker 1: hurdle the next several months, and Rodney Hinton is going
Speaker 1: to be charged with a death penalty speck in the
Speaker 1: next week or two. And then we're on to the
Speaker 1: second hurdle, which is MGRI. What does it mean if
Speaker 1: you're not guilty of or reasonabent standing. Essentially, if you
Speaker 1: have a form of a mental illness that substantially affects
Speaker 1: your actions and capacity to commit a crime, you could
Speaker 1: be excused of committing that crime. They're subject to confine
Speaker 1: in a mental hospital rather than just letting them off
Speaker 1: the hook. And after that matter is resolved, like John
Speaker 1: Hinckley was eventually let go from a mental hospital as
Speaker 1: a result of the so called mental disease or defect.
Speaker 1: Can one understand the wrongfulness of their actions, can form
Speaker 1: it with it dictates of the law, because yourself from
Speaker 1: a severe mental disease would effect Certain psychiatrists on both
Speaker 1: sides of the defense are going to talk about this
Speaker 1: for a long time. I'd be shocked if this case
Speaker 1: went to trial before the end of the year. So
Speaker 1: each side on the second aspect of NGRI I, which
Speaker 1: is the McNaughton standard McNaughton rule, there might be three
Speaker 1: psychiatrists for the state, three psychiatrists for the defense. It's
Speaker 1: a batter a battle between the two of them. And
Speaker 1: that determination, the first one is made by the judge
Speaker 1: Canny counsel on his behalf. The second one n GRI
Speaker 1: is made by a jury. And whether a person in
Speaker 1: this case, Rodney Hinton Jr. Has some mental disease or
Speaker 1: defense that is so severe that he cannot understand the
Speaker 1: nature of the charges against him, cannot conform his behavior
Speaker 1: to the law, and that he didn't understand between the
Speaker 1: difference between right and wrong. You might have an insanity defense,
Speaker 1: which is very rarely successful, very rare. And so this
Speaker 1: morning when Clyde Bennett talked about did you know his
Speaker 1: previous mental standing, I would anticipate that Clyde Bennett was
Speaker 1: tipping his hand a bit to indicate that Rodney Hinton,
Speaker 1: who murdered Deputy Sheriff Larry Henderson, has a previous mental illness.
Speaker 1: Is that paranoid schizophrenia? Is it delusional? Whatever it is,
Speaker 1: has he been treated for it in the past, Yes?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 1: If he's not been treated for it in the past.
Speaker 1: And this arose having watched the videotape, and we're going
Speaker 1: to talk to Michael Wright, the civil attorney in about
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes on that issue and his behavior before, during,
Speaker 1: and after the incident where he obviously killed Henderson is Germaine.
Speaker 1: One of the standards of NGRI is can you conform
Speaker 1: your behavior to the law? Do you know the difference
Speaker 1: between right and wrong? So when he drove from the
Speaker 1: crime lab where he saw the videotape and the presence
Speaker 1: of Michael Wright and others, and we're going to explore
Speaker 1: that with the attorney in about fifteen minutes. I would
Speaker 1: imagine if someone would take the trek from the blue
Speaker 1: Ash area down to Clifton. There were numerous stop signs
Speaker 1: in which he had to understand, take an information and stop.
Speaker 1: There were numerous traffic lights along the way that he
Speaker 1: had to look at it conform the idea that it's red, yellow,
Speaker 1: or green. I got to conform my behavior to the
Speaker 1: law to operate the motor vehicle. There's certain mental and
Speaker 1: physical processes that one must go through. So, having tried
Speaker 1: many of these cases, you try to demonstrate that your client,
Speaker 1: your defendant, did not know the difference between right and wrong,
Speaker 1: suffering from a mental disease or defect. However, the prosecution
Speaker 1: would point out, now, wait a minute. You got in
Speaker 1: the car, your mind was working. You knew where the
Speaker 1: keys were in your pocket. You operated the vehicle, You
Speaker 1: put it in drive from P to D, you drove it.
Speaker 1: You more or less confirmed with speech standards. Between blue
Speaker 1: Ash and Clifton, you stopped along the route. Did he
Speaker 1: stop somewhere to get some coffee? Did he go into
Speaker 1: a wah wah, I get a ho ho? What did
Speaker 1: you do? And he put his foot on the brake
Speaker 1: appropriate ways, which indicated his mind, his mind was working.
Speaker 1: He came to a red light, and he put his
Speaker 1: foot on the brake, and then when it turned green,
Speaker 1: he put his foot on the pedal to go forward.
Speaker 1: Those mental processes that demonstrates before he murdered Larry Henderson,
Speaker 1: he kind of knew what he was doing. And then
Speaker 1: there's spent evidence this morning in which he kind of
Speaker 1: stopped in a way, in other words, he put his
Speaker 1: foot on the brake from the gas to the brake,
Speaker 1: his mind was working. He then took his foot off
Speaker 1: the brake and put it on the gas, went across
Speaker 1: lines of travel and traffic and targeted an individual, which
Speaker 1: took the mind had to be working in order to
Speaker 1: do that, and so it is very rare to have
Speaker 1: a successful NNGRII, especially in a cop killing case, when
Speaker 1: in his sick mind there was a reason to do this,
Speaker 1: If there was a reason to act in such a way,
Speaker 1: that demonstrates in his sick mind that his mind was
Speaker 1: working and he wasn't suffering from some mental disease or defect,
Speaker 1: and he could conform his behavior to the dictates of
Speaker 1: the law, and therefore it defeats the NNGRII. In addition
Speaker 1: to that, in a jury case, you're going to have extremely,
Speaker 1: extremely understandable. Henderson family in complete tears and upset about
Speaker 1: the loss of their loved one. This was such only
Speaker 1: a good cop. He was a marine. He was a
Speaker 1: foster parent about to adopt two of his foster kids,
Speaker 1: who by the way, were African American, five other children.
Speaker 1: He had numerous grandchildren. He volunteered time charitably all over
Speaker 1: the place, including the UC and the Mercy Hospital in
Speaker 1: Anderson Township. This guy was a CoP's cup. This guy
Speaker 1: was wonderful and so this particular victim is extremely sympathetic.
Speaker 1: I would think to a jury, so based upon what's
Speaker 1: happening here. I also got a text from her friend
Speaker 1: of mine that did he make any phone calls? At
Speaker 1: this point, I would assume he had a cell phone.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'll ask Michael right that he
Speaker 1: didn't represent the Rodney Hinton criminal case. He represents Ryan
Speaker 1: Hinton in the estate. But did he make phone calls?
Speaker 1: So his mind was working constantly from the time he
Speaker 1: saw the videotape. From that moment his mind was working.
Speaker 1: That moved his body out of the room, came back
Speaker 1: into the room, then left the room again. He didn't
Speaker 1: walk in the walls or fall down steps, his mind
Speaker 1: was working, got into a vehicle, had enough mental acuity
Speaker 1: to operate the vehicle in a way that was ten
Speaker 1: to fifteen miles away, hunting to kill a cop. That
Speaker 1: was the reason he did it. That defeats come completely.
Speaker 1: Ngri got a reason to do it in his sick mind.
Speaker 1: That proves his mind was operational. If someone shoots at
Speaker 1: a person believing in their Coca Cola machine and they're
Speaker 1: under treatment for mental psychiatric disorders, and you can show
Speaker 1: that they thought that was a Coca Cola machine and
Speaker 1: they shot and killed a person, that's Ingri. This is
Speaker 1: not one of those cases, because his mind was working
Speaker 1: constantly before he purposely killed Larry Henderson. That's going to
Speaker 1: be difficult. But in Clyde Bennett's defense, what do you do? Well,
Speaker 1: it's not a who done it? It's kind of like
Speaker 1: why was it done? And the reason in a sick
Speaker 1: criminal mind would be answered, eye for an eye tooth tooth.
Speaker 1: You take my boy, I'm taking one of yours. And
Speaker 1: that demonstrates the defeat of Nngri because it means the
Speaker 1: mind was working. Let's continue with more, and this case
Speaker 1: is going to be tried over the next several months,
Speaker 1: and I predict there won't be a trial until the
Speaker 1: year twenty twenty six at the earliest, and they'll try everything.
Speaker 1: But if justice is done, the murderer of Larry Henderson
Speaker 1: face must face the death penalty. Let's continue with more
Speaker 1: and after two o'clock we have a representative of the Shield.
Speaker 1: I know Chief Wallace and Emily Village and many other
Speaker 1: cops A have an organization put together to receive some
Speaker 1: funds to alleviate the suffering of family members, especially the
Speaker 1: Henderson family. I would anticipate they're not particularly rich and
Speaker 1: they just lost the leader of their family. And like
Speaker 1: many others, they would like number one, they would like
Speaker 1: your prayers and sympathies. But number two, there's a way
Speaker 1: of helping the Henderson family, and we're going to deal
Speaker 1: with that after two o'clock today. So that's kind of
Speaker 1: where it is. And I would point out this Sincere Grigsby,
Speaker 1: one of the four individuals involved in this auto theft,
Speaker 1: was already on probation from juvenile court for another auto
Speaker 1: theft he was involved in with a gun. So and
Speaker 1: of course we can't find out the criminal record yet
Speaker 1: of Ryan Hinton. I was told by a little birdie.
Speaker 1: He has an extensive juvenile record and never was held
Speaker 1: to account for criminal misbehavior and juvenile court, which would
Speaker 1: be consistent with the way we have juvenile court today.
Speaker 1: So the investigation continues. In the next week or two,
Speaker 1: we should know more videotape, we should have more, and
Speaker 1: I would anticipate that Michael Wright may be requesting a
Speaker 1: second autopsy on his client's body, that is Ryan Hinton,
Speaker 1: that is often done in these cases, plus public records
Speaker 1: request will be made to do the investigation. I would
Speaker 1: point out the elements of the Hinton family were extremely
Speaker 1: solicitous as far as the sympathies toward the family of
Speaker 1: Larry Henderson. There was one woman that during the news
Speaker 1: conference got off track, but the majority of them were
Speaker 1: sympathetic to Henderson. So one case seeks to I guess
Speaker 1: money judgment against the City of Cincinnati, and the other
Speaker 1: case seeks should seek the death penalty for Rodney Hinton.
Speaker 1: Will continue to follow both Bill Cunningham with you every
Speaker 1: day your home of the Reds playing the night about
Speaker 1: six ZHO five in Atlanta. Maybe they can score some runs.
Speaker 1: A news radio seven hundred WLTIM on Billy Cunningham, the
Speaker 1: great American. Of course, yesterday there was a news conference
Speaker 1: held with Michael Wright of the Cochran Law Firm, who
Speaker 1: represents the estate of the eighteen year old Ryan Hinton.
Speaker 1: And it's not directly or indirectly involved with the actual
Speaker 1: of the prosecution or defense of the father, Rodney Hinton. Jonan,
Speaker 1: you and I now as Michael Right of the Cochran
Speaker 1: Law Firm. First of all, Michael Wright, welcome to the
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show. So as we sit here this Tuesday
Speaker 1: afternoon in the tri State, can you kind of tell
Speaker 1: the American people what is the legal formation of the estate,
Speaker 1: Who's going to be the beneficiaries, what is your research
Speaker 1: going to do? Are you going to ask for another autopsy? Exactly?
Speaker 1: What does Michael Wright do at the beginning of this case.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Bill.
Speaker 5: Initially, we are setting up the estate. Grandmother, I believe,
Speaker 5: is going to be the administrator of the estate as
Speaker 5: a mom lives in Pennsylvania and Dad would like grandmother
Speaker 5: to be the administrator. So we're in the process of
Speaker 5: opening up the estate. We're in the process of doing
Speaker 5: public records requests, getting the videos, getting all the police reports,
Speaker 5: and getting all those things that the police have put
Speaker 5: together at after mister Hinton was shot and keeled.
Speaker 1: Are you going to request a second autopsy or not?
Speaker 5: We're discussing right now based on the video. I don't
Speaker 5: believe we're going to have a it's going to be
Speaker 5: necessary to have a second autopsy.
Speaker 1: When I spoke to the police Union had last week
Speaker 1: on Friday ken Kober, he said the shot was fired
Speaker 1: from about a distance of ten feet and that it
Speaker 1: was a chest wound. And when I look at the video,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure you've looked out about one hundred times,
Speaker 1: it appears that your client, in a sense, Ryan Hint
Speaker 1: Hint in the eighteen year old, was sideways and not
Speaker 1: directly chest to chest. Is the entry of the wound
Speaker 1: important in your consideration?
Speaker 5: Yes, it is very is very important, and that's why
Speaker 5: we're still discussing the independent independent However, the video speaks
Speaker 5: for itself. I mean, we have very good tech people
Speaker 5: that are going to dissect this video and show you
Speaker 5: know what occurred it. As you indicate you saw the video,
Speaker 5: it doesn't look like a shot directly from you know,
Speaker 5: in the front, from the chest. There was definitely a
Speaker 5: shot from the side. And if you really watch the video,
Speaker 5: Ryan didn't even look at that police officer. He didn't
Speaker 5: know that that police officer was there when he came
Speaker 5: through those two dumpsters. All he was doing was running.
Speaker 5: He was running as fast as he could. And what's
Speaker 5: interesting is that, you know, as looking at the video,
Speaker 5: I don't even know if the officer that took the
Speaker 5: shot even saw that he had a gun. The only
Speaker 5: reason he knew that there was a gun was because
Speaker 5: one of the officers was yelling gun, gun, gun, because
Speaker 5: Ryan had fell and picked up the gun started running.
Speaker 5: So the fact that this officer saying that, well, he
Speaker 5: pointed the gun in my direction or you know, and
Speaker 5: I think the police chief indicated that there's no video
Speaker 5: evidence that will show that, you know, Ryan ever pointed
Speaker 5: the gun at any officer.
Speaker 1: I had on Chief of Police Teresa Thiji yesterday, I
Speaker 1: believe she said, it's not clear from the video whether
Speaker 1: the gun was pointed at the officer, but it is
Speaker 1: clear that he had in his possession a non millimeter
Speaker 1: with an extended mag and so yeah, go ahead, please.
Speaker 5: No, I agree with that he did have a firearm.
Speaker 5: It was in his right hand. He was running from
Speaker 5: the officers. The officer that shot him was on his left,
Speaker 5: kind of caddy corner to Ryan. So you know the
Speaker 5: video at I'm still waiting for the other angles. But
Speaker 5: you know, the video that we were shown doesn't picked
Speaker 5: you know, him pointing the gun or even knowing that
Speaker 5: that officer was there as he was running past.
Speaker 1: If the Cincinnati Police officer and I have this on
Speaker 1: fairly good authority, was in a position where he perceived
Speaker 1: the gun was pointed at him, it's it critical in
Speaker 1: reality whether he had a perception based upon reasonable grounds.
Speaker 1: You have a young man who had just jumped out
Speaker 1: of a vehicle. He dropped the nine millimeter allegedly with
Speaker 1: an extended mag He then had the mental framework to
Speaker 1: pick up the gun. I was told there was a
Speaker 1: that there was a round in the chamber. I was
Speaker 1: told the safety was off, and that the officer perceived
Speaker 1: his life was in jeopardy. Whether or not the gun
Speaker 1: was actually pointed, the availability of the gun to shoot
Speaker 1: the police was within a split second. Do you consider the.
Speaker 4: Issue of whether or not he perceived danger is the
Speaker 4: same as danger actually.
Speaker 6: Existing, Well, it has to be a reasonable perception If
Speaker 6: Ryan is running past him never even looked at the officer,
Speaker 6: then it's not reasonable for the officer.
Speaker 5: To feel like or believe that he was in imminent danger.
Speaker 5: If this person is just running never even looked in
Speaker 5: your direction, how would you determine or would why would
Speaker 5: you feel like it was necessary to shoot and kill
Speaker 5: this young man when the young man didn't even look
Speaker 5: in your direction.
Speaker 1: Why did Ryan Hinton have the gun in the first place?
Speaker 1: It's illegal if you're under twenty one to be in
Speaker 1: possession of a handgun in the state of Ohio. Why
Speaker 1: did they have the gun in the first place.
Speaker 5: I agree with that, and I can't answer that question.
Speaker 5: But having a gun and that being a death sentence
Speaker 5: that shouldn't happen. So there are a lot of folks
Speaker 5: that have guns legally illegally, but you know it does
Speaker 5: in this situation. I don't believe it should have led
Speaker 5: to his death. Clearly, he didn't make you know, great
Speaker 5: judgment calls, But you know, whether this officer should have
Speaker 5: pulled the trigger based on a reasonable police officer standard,
Speaker 5: at this point I would say no, But again, we
Speaker 5: are still investigating. I don't have all of the information
Speaker 5: to make a real determination as to whether or not
Speaker 5: this was reasonable, whether or not this was a lawful
Speaker 5: a lawful shoot.
Speaker 1: I was told also that he's got an extensive jewvenile record.
Speaker 1: Can you disclose that to the American people? Yes? Or no?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: His juvenile record. I don't have a copy of his
Speaker 5: juvenile record at this point. But the officer didn't know
Speaker 5: anything about his juvenile record when he came in contact
Speaker 5: with him, So that's pretty irrelevant as to the officer
Speaker 5: making a decision as to whether not to shoot or
Speaker 5: not shoot. Because the officer didn't know what his juvenile
Speaker 5: record was.
Speaker 1: At this early point. I think you would agree it's
Speaker 1: an early point because we're still weeks away from getting
Speaker 1: the entire record. At this point, what would you tell
Speaker 1: the American people that this police officer did wrong? That
Speaker 1: would result and maybe criminal charges fooled against him, which
Speaker 1: I think would be ridiculous, but nonetheless that would give
Speaker 1: way to a civil lawsuit. What did the police officer
Speaker 1: do wrong?
Speaker 5: Well, and again I'm still investigating. Based on the small
Speaker 5: amount of video that we've seen, it doesn't look like
Speaker 5: Ryan even looked over at the officer. That officer just
Speaker 5: made a split second bad call and shot and killed Ryan. Again,
Speaker 5: the gun was as the chief even indicated the gun
Speaker 5: was not pointed or based on the video evidence, the
Speaker 5: gun was not pointed at the police officer. So you know,
Speaker 5: we're still again, we're still investigating. But you know, having
Speaker 5: being in a stolen car having a gun shouldn't be
Speaker 5: a death sentence well, and.
Speaker 1: Also may indicated a criminal predisposition desiring to flee. I
Speaker 1: had one prosecutor to tell me that fleeing is consciousness
Speaker 1: of guilt. That is, when someone instead of your client,
Speaker 1: Ryan Hinton, or the estate Ryan Hinton's estate, getting out
Speaker 1: of the car putting his hands up, he didn't do that.
Speaker 1: He made the conscious decision to pick up a nine
Speaker 1: millimeter with an extended meg and put it in his hand.
Speaker 1: He ran a few steps and fell to the pavement
Speaker 1: and the gun freed itself from his clutch because of
Speaker 1: the fall. He then made a decision to pick up
Speaker 1: the gun with what intent when have to assume is
Speaker 1: the intent to shoot police? Otherwise why pick up the
Speaker 1: gun twice? And then when the word gun, gun, gun,
Speaker 1: a police officer is trained at that point to understand
Speaker 1: it's a life and death situation. So the officer is running,
Speaker 1: he looks and seized individual running with a gun in
Speaker 1: his right hand, which would take a split second for
Speaker 1: him to turn his head to the left and shoot
Speaker 1: the cop. All those circumstances, your client hit control of
Speaker 1: that situation. And how do you respond to those who
Speaker 1: say that your client, Ryan Hidden's behavior caused his own death.
Speaker 5: I do believe that his behavior was not proper, but
Speaker 5: I don't believe it was too The officer should have
Speaker 5: recently believed that he was in imminent danger and discharged
Speaker 5: the firearm. But again, you know, we're still investigating. And
Speaker 5: in terms of being in a stolen vehicle, we're still
Speaker 5: investigating that information as well, because we're getting information that
Speaker 5: they were in a Toro, which is like a rental car.
Speaker 5: So I don't know if this that one of the
Speaker 5: kids had rented the vehicle and it and overkept its
Speaker 5: you know, and kept it for too long and that's
Speaker 5: why it was reported the way it was, or if
Speaker 5: someone else rented it and it was stolen from the
Speaker 5: person that rented the vehicle. So we are still trying
Speaker 5: to gather information as to the circumstances of them being
Speaker 5: in the vehicle in the first place.
Speaker 1: So, Michael right, you're saying the media is reporting, in fact,
Speaker 1: the police are reporting that in Edgewood, Kentucky, this car,
Speaker 1: this Kia, was heisted, drove across state lines, which is
Speaker 1: a felony by itself, and then it found itself in
Speaker 1: the parking lot of this East Price Sila condo project.
Speaker 1: Are you saying those facts may not be accurate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm saying we're still investigating. I do not know
Speaker 5: those facts to be accurate.
Speaker 1: Yesterday at the news conference, I heard a relative who
Speaker 1: was in tears stating that that Ryan Hinton came to
Speaker 1: him late at night, I guess the evening immediately before,
Speaker 1: in order to sleep there, and that he didn't get up.
Speaker 1: Was that was that? Wouldn't that indicate your client didn't
Speaker 1: have a car. Did he have the car at the
Speaker 1: night before or did he How was he involved with
Speaker 1: the other three individuals in this car? Are you saying
Speaker 1: that possibly there was not the theft of this car
Speaker 1: from Edgewood and that somehow some other car was used
Speaker 1: by a person other than your client that may have
Speaker 1: been staying over on a lease or a rental.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not Bill All I'm saying is that we're
Speaker 5: investigating all information that's coming in. We're sorting through and
Speaker 5: trying to determine what's factual and what's not factual. So
Speaker 5: it is very early on. This happened what a couple
Speaker 5: of days ago, and they're still doing our due diligence.
Speaker 5: We're doing our investigation to determine the actual facts of
Speaker 5: what occurred that led to Ryan to death.
Speaker 1: Now, Michael Wright of the Cochrane Law Firm, I've had
Speaker 1: I've had you on before about the Crawford matter and
Speaker 1: Walmart about ten years ago. As far as the circumstances,
Speaker 1: the police indicate that that this matter is extremely serious.
Speaker 1: It is the I think them from the police perspective,
Speaker 1: it's the attempted murder of a police officer and the
Speaker 1: officer responded to that. And you're stating the imminent danger
Speaker 1: is going to be a key key element whether or
Speaker 1: not to go down that route if you cannot, And
Speaker 1: you're saying that a jury down the road maybe as
Speaker 1: to put themselves in the shoes of that police officer
Speaker 1: to determine whether it was reasonable to assume that this
Speaker 1: police officer in Cincinnati had an eminent reasonable grounds to
Speaker 1: believe that he was an eminent danger. Is that the standard?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Absolutely Now, lastly, releasing the tape, I've had more than
Speaker 1: one tell me that it's not common to release the
Speaker 1: tape quickly. It used to be after thorough investigation. You
Speaker 1: repeatedly said, which I think is completely reasonable. You have
Speaker 1: to get all the information together to prove the gun
Speaker 1: was in the hand of your client. Was his fingerprints
Speaker 1: on the gun? Where did the gun come from? You
Speaker 1: have various cams, maybe of the condo project, maybe in Edgewood, Kentucky.
Speaker 1: You have several police cameras on and that I asked
Speaker 1: Fiji the chief police yesterday, why is it policy now
Speaker 1: to release it within twenty four hours before the investigation
Speaker 1: is even partially completed? And some have said that precipitated
Speaker 1: events ultimately resulting in the death of Larry Henderson. As
Speaker 1: a lawyer involved in these cases often from your perspective,
Speaker 1: is it a good idea to release the videotape quickly
Speaker 1: or is it better to wait a week or two
Speaker 1: till you get all the facts together well?
Speaker 5: And you mentioned the officer Henderson. I want to offer
Speaker 5: my condolences to his family because this is very tragic
Speaker 5: and this shouldn't have occurred. So the Hinton family does
Speaker 5: definitely want to offer their condolences to the family. In
Speaker 5: terms of when the video said be released, you know,
Speaker 5: that's their policy. Should they have waited to release it.
Speaker 5: I can't say yes or no, but I definitely believe
Speaker 5: that it should be released to the family before it's
Speaker 5: released to the public. So it appeared that Cincinnati Police
Speaker 5: Department was very anxious to release this video to the public,
Speaker 5: and since they were anxious to do so, they wanted
Speaker 5: to make sure that the family saw the video first.
Speaker 5: So is that a good policy? I can't. I can't
Speaker 5: speak on whether or not that's a good policy. I
Speaker 5: can tell you that, you know, we watched the video.
Speaker 5: The video was disturbing. The family was upset, and you
Speaker 5: can imagine watching your child, your loved one, being shot
Speaker 5: and killed on video. That would be you know, pretty
Speaker 5: difficult to do.
Speaker 1: So, Michael, right, you were there when Rodney Hinton, the
Speaker 1: thirty eight year father, observed the video.
Speaker 2: Correct, I was, yes.
Speaker 1: How is his behavior? How was his comments?
Speaker 5: He didn't make any comments, He was unable to sit
Speaker 5: through the entire video. He got up, he walked out,
Speaker 5: I didn't see you know him. He didn't make any statements.
Speaker 2: He was very quiet.
Speaker 4: He didn't give any expression verbally or otherwise. He was
Speaker 4: about to engage in behavior hunting down a police officer
Speaker 4: and killing a cop.
Speaker 1: There was no indication at that point, There was no
Speaker 1: indication at all.
Speaker 5: You know, he was he was quiet.
Speaker 2: Everyone in the room was upset.
Speaker 5: By what they saw, but you know, there was He
Speaker 5: did not act out in any manner. He got up,
Speaker 5: he quietly walked down out at some point came back
Speaker 5: and you know, we would have never anticipated that, you know,
Speaker 5: this would have occurred a couple hours later.
Speaker 1: All right, Michael Wright, thank you of the Cochran Law firm.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll discuss this matter in a few weeks again
Speaker 1: with you. Thanks for coming on this Tuesday afternoon. We'll
Speaker 1: see where things develop. And you want to give out
Speaker 1: your your website if someone has information on the case unbeknownst,
Speaker 1: what is there? What is your firm's website if somebody
Speaker 1: wants to go to communicate with you, Yeah, just cochronohio
Speaker 1: dot com. All right, Michael, right, thank you again for
Speaker 1: coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Michael, Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me, God bless you. Let's continue with more.
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Speaker 7: I just I do feel it's much better for Canada,
Speaker 7: but we're not going to be discussing that unless somebody
Speaker 7: wants to discuss it. I think that there are tremendous
Speaker 7: benefits to the Canadian citizens, tremendously lower tack says free military,
Speaker 7: which honestly we give you essentially anyway because we're.
Speaker 2: Protecting Canada if you have had a problem.
Speaker 7: But I think you know it's it would really be
Speaker 7: a wonderful marriage because it's two places.
Speaker 2: They get along very well. They like each other a
Speaker 2: lot well.
Speaker 8: If I'm as you know from real estate, there are
Speaker 8: some places that are never for sale. We're sitting in
Speaker 8: one right now, you know, bucking and Palace, and you
Speaker 8: visit it as well. Yes, and having met with the
Speaker 8: owners of Canada over the course of the campaign last
Speaker 8: several months, it's not for sale, won't be for sale ever.
Speaker 8: But the opportunity is in the partnership.
Speaker 2: And what we can build together.
Speaker 8: And we have done in the past. And part of that,
Speaker 8: as the President just said, is with respect to our
Speaker 8: own security, and my government is committed for a step
Speaker 8: change in our investment in Canadian security and our partnership.
Speaker 8: And I'll say this as well, that the President has
Speaker 8: revitalized international security, revitalized nations and US playing our full
Speaker 8: weight uh in NATO, and that will be parched.
Speaker 5: Hello, quiet, and I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 1: Sega you for sale to the right person? Are you
Speaker 1: for sale? How much would it take?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, answer is yes, Are you for sale? Of course?
Speaker 1: How much? Millions? Sarah Elise? Is she for sale? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Don't you ask her? I don't see her
Speaker 1: as much as you do tomorrow every morning? See if
Speaker 1: she's for said kid Chris is for sale? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who isn't for Rockey boyman?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: No, yes, yes, let's lopham say yes. Oh them said segment.
Speaker 4: Are you for sale?
Speaker 1: Yes? Do we want Canada to be the fifty first state?
Speaker 4: Call no, no, no that we got enough problems with
Speaker 4: fifty im here plaus that would gare Democrats elected for
Speaker 4: the rest of my lifetime? And yes, fifty first?
Speaker 1: There to the left of California, Canadian he says, yes,
Speaker 1: what no, well, he's not It would give the Democrats
Speaker 1: fifty five more electoral votes and about thirty five seats
Speaker 1: in the House and two more Senate seats. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about. I don't want Canada any part of this.
Speaker 4: Let's this fifty first state thing. Go die get go
Speaker 4: bring it up is stupid. That's really stupid. Yes, he says, yes.
Speaker 5: What is?
Speaker 1: Where does Lapham stand on Tyler Callahan talk about what happened?
Speaker 1: Was that ball caught last night?
Speaker 2: Or what?
Speaker 1: He's got more issues than a magazine stand well, he.
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Speaker 1: Tame Star quality.
Speaker 4: You can field in Cincinnati, Colwayoming Air had won eight
Speaker 4: eight eight nine nine six h V a C spot.
Speaker 1: And I think what it is Trump does this because
Speaker 1: he likes to irritate people. You know, my wife accuses
Speaker 1: me of ir hitting her all the time, which I
Speaker 1: do for no obvious reason. I don't know why Trump would
Speaker 1: want to aggravate and irritate the Canadian Prime minister when
Speaker 1: which is won a deal?
Speaker 4: Give me a deal, deal, But I don't want them
Speaker 4: part of this country to you maybe maybe they're in California.
Speaker 1: Maybe the guys are Republican. How about Washington, Oregon, New
Speaker 1: York State and California going to Canada.
Speaker 4: Now you're talking, Yeah, so we get Ontario auto.
Speaker 1: There's only one or two provinces where the crap of
Speaker 1: Alberta and we need the conservative part.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's see.
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Speaker 1: See A J.
Speaker 4: Smith Sawyer, Salve Sholver AJ Smith Sholver took a no
Speaker 4: hitter into the eighth, and young Tyler Callahan heard himself
Speaker 4: crashing into the wall.
Speaker 1: Last night.
Speaker 4: Santiago Espinal led off the eighth with a clean single
Speaker 4: for the reds Loane hit of the night. But mister Callahan, uh,
Speaker 4: and it's just his fourth major league game, broke his
Speaker 4: left forearm.
Speaker 1: Did he catch that ball? I think he did, but
Speaker 1: the umpires said this.
Speaker 4: According to rule five point nine A one one, the
Speaker 4: play can't be ruled to catch if simultaneously or immediately
Speaker 4: following his contact with the ball he collides with a
Speaker 4: player or a wall, or falls down as a result
Speaker 4: of such collision or falling.
Speaker 1: Drops the ball. Did he drop the ball? Yes? He did?
Speaker 1: How long because his arm was busted? How much time
Speaker 1: went by between he caught the ball and he dropped
Speaker 1: the ball? Milliseconds? Go ahead? So I'm fires ruled it?
Speaker 1: And uh right, he can't hit, can't score run.
Speaker 4: So mister Callahan is back into Queens City today and
Speaker 4: I guess they're gonna schedule surgery soon.
Speaker 1: Haven't heard anything yet. Didn't he star in Dirty Harry Calling?
Speaker 1: I thought that guy looked familiar.
Speaker 4: I think he was the co he was wearing thirty
Speaker 4: two to the Jim Brown Brownie, Yes, mister perfect, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Yes Callahan eighteen and eighteen Now Willie and Brave the
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Speaker 1: How sale doing? Is he for sale? I think he's
Speaker 1: like one in two or one in he got to be.
Speaker 1: Let's see Jesse Winker.
Speaker 4: The Mets what out for some six to eight weeks
Speaker 4: right oblique injury?
Speaker 1: Here we go without oblique.
Speaker 4: The Texas Rangers are hiring former Reds infielder Bret Boone.
Speaker 1: Number twenty nine did not He had fifty home runs.
Speaker 4: As their major league hitting coach starting tonight in Boston.
Speaker 1: Who else wore number twenty nine? Who was it?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 4: I used to remember some loudmouth from California. I thought
Speaker 4: he was an outfielder.
Speaker 1: What's his name? I forget his name? Smith?
Speaker 7: Was it?
Speaker 1: Herm Winningham?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Herm Winningham wore twenty nine? Yes?
Speaker 2: What he?
Speaker 1: The thing did I do?
Speaker 9: Is I play one hundred percent like I said before,
Speaker 9: every single time.
Speaker 1: Oh No, I know who that is?
Speaker 9: Ballplayer. I like to win, and I think I can
Speaker 9: add a lot to a ball club.
Speaker 1: Who is?
Speaker 10: I have told.
Speaker 9: I will probably.
Speaker 1: Next week You're gonna sit down with Pete.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna have a little talk. We'll have a little
Speaker 9: cup of coffee.
Speaker 1: Over in the wholehouse, and I'm gonna tell him some listen.
Speaker 1: Can I be there? Well, you're telling me what happens.
Speaker 1: I won't say it worked well.
Speaker 9: Pete asked me the other day, says, can you can
Speaker 9: you move around the outfield? I says, Pete, I can
Speaker 9: do anything?
Speaker 1: Can he do radio? Can you remember that guy's name?
Speaker 4: I'm about sixty, but sixty percent of meat still better
Speaker 4: than one hundred percent of Dan Carroll Daniel.
Speaker 1: I just left Carroll. Can't can't place the name? Can
Speaker 1: you the voice?
Speaker 2: That guy?
Speaker 1: I can't recall. I don't know. No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So he used to be somebody? Yeah, let's see.
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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow will he paced two of the work Voluntary
Speaker 4: off season program is underway with Ted McKay downtown. He's
Speaker 4: in a fashion show. No no, Joe Burrow at the
Speaker 4: workout Sunday. Was in Miami for the Miami Grand Prix
Speaker 4: Formula one race, is in a fashion show and grace
Speaker 4: the red carpet last night at the met Gala in
Speaker 4: New York City.
Speaker 1: Jesus blue gray, a blue gray.
Speaker 4: Suit that you and I, well you could afford it
Speaker 4: and Gucci printed sneakers.
Speaker 1: Could he become a male model? Ade? I guess you know.
Speaker 4: So he wasn't there today, but uh uh bj Hill
Speaker 4: was in a protective boot in his left foot. There
Speaker 4: we go, Zachar, Here we go Jake the Snake, Browning
Speaker 4: and Logan Woodside with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So he's got time to be on the runway at
Speaker 1: the met Galla, but not here and Cincinnati getting ready
Speaker 1: for the man tomorrow. He better be here.
Speaker 4: Chase Higgins Giziki on the field, on the practice field today,
Speaker 4: Willie has faced who is underway with Ted McKay was
Speaker 4: the influencer with him Burrow.
Speaker 1: He's got an influencer that I don't know is Judson Hudson?
Speaker 1: Is that her name? Who I don't know? I don't
Speaker 1: know it.
Speaker 4: No, that's always not Jordan Hut's all we need in
Speaker 4: this town. What if that happened here? Oh, that'd be beautiful. Oh,
Speaker 4: Jordan Hutt fit in perfect with the way things are
Speaker 4: going around here. That'd be wonderful. Bengal safety Gino Gino,
Speaker 4: Gino Stone. It's going to remain on a reduced contract.
Speaker 4: What he's accepted a pay cut?
Speaker 1: He did? Yeah?
Speaker 4: In Ley slated to make six point four to seven
Speaker 4: five million this year. He's there agreed to a four
Speaker 4: four point nine million dollar deal. Why did you give
Speaker 4: up all that money because you're going to be cut?
Speaker 4: Is that the reason?
Speaker 1: Well? Maybe? And also number ninety one, what Trey Hendrickson
Speaker 1: who raises money for Jry bark Well, they got to
Speaker 1: get the dough the ray endo me for him, right,
Speaker 1: we got his that.
Speaker 4: It also looks like I just saw a report off
Speaker 4: the wire. What is it that Derby winner Sovereignty is
Speaker 4: going to skip the Preakness and run the Belmont.
Speaker 1: I got a picture here of Joe Burrow sent to
Speaker 1: me by an airline captain.
Speaker 4: Take a look at his picture. What is that a
Speaker 4: checkered flag? I think it's a dress. Does Joe Burrow
Speaker 4: have a dress on? Is it like a checkered flag?
Speaker 4: I bet he's headed to the Indianapolis five hundred?
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that one of those AI deals? I
Speaker 1: think so? Yeah, he wore a dress over the weekend. No, no,
Speaker 1: he did. He wore men's clothes. Take a look at
Speaker 1: that right there?
Speaker 4: What do you see that's not that's that's one of
Speaker 4: his AIAI thing. Yes, it don't don't get us started, please,
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He looks somewhat attractive. Maybe I shouldn't say that. You
Speaker 1: just did. Okay, what else is going on here? I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: I went Joe eight qualified yesterday at Mcteewah. What about
Speaker 4: for the US Oil and Grammar? What about him didn't
Speaker 4: make it? Who made it? Uh? Leo Wessel our guy
Speaker 4: went to he's going to UC from Indianapolis. We made
Speaker 4: that hole in one on number two, hold on one
Speaker 4: on two, then a double bogie on three.
Speaker 1: Right, but he still made it. Daniel Wedderick is in.
Speaker 1: Is he actually in the tournament and go to the
Speaker 1: sectional after this?
Speaker 4: Well I guess they go to the next Yeah. So,
Speaker 4: but I mean, you know he qualified for the US Open.
Speaker 4: It's pretty good in it at the back, Yes, the
Speaker 4: home of Mark Shear and Dale Donovan.
Speaker 1: They own it. But I'll tell you what that is
Speaker 1: a serious golf course. When they play the buttons back
Speaker 1: and say bring it on, tough wet, How does that
Speaker 1: compare to the friendly confines? Yeah? Well, Ken was more
Speaker 1: of a country club and Mcattee Wall is more of
Speaker 1: a golf course. Okay, there's a big difference. Is MCA
Speaker 1: te wh have a pool? They have a little pool.
Speaker 1: We have we have five pools.
Speaker 2: You do?
Speaker 1: Yes? I thought you only had one? No, No, that
Speaker 1: we've remodeled. We have five pools. Well, have a thirty
Speaker 1: What do you go to hold the Olympics there? Now
Speaker 1: we have a thirty meter diving platform. Now you and
Speaker 1: I can dive off. Let's see you do a cannonball
Speaker 1: from ninety feet. I would uh that pool would be
Speaker 1: emptied in seconds like a tsunami. Correct, take out a green?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but uh, when you play it back the bac
Speaker 4: te's tough.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a hairy asque golf course. That's all
Speaker 1: I can tell.
Speaker 10: You.
Speaker 1: Better have hair all over your body. Okay. Did Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow wear a dress? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 4: No, right here, that's a that's a mess. That's a
Speaker 4: I he had. He had a nice suit on last
Speaker 4: night at the met gala.
Speaker 1: What goes on? What do they do?
Speaker 4: They have dinner there and then they they all just
Speaker 4: stand around and look at each.
Speaker 1: Other or something or what I've never done that. What
Speaker 1: does a met gala do? Some of those outfits. You
Speaker 1: weren't invited when you went in New York. I've been
Speaker 1: at the met twice. Not my cup of tea? Shall
Speaker 1: we say?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But weren't you invited when you were doing the big
Speaker 4: show out there at the met galas?
Speaker 1: I had Papa? Why didn't you going me around? Why
Speaker 1: didn't he go? Because me and shall we say, certain
Speaker 1: female star of Fox News were rumored Kimberly Guilfoyle. I
Speaker 1: got some pictures of me, and have you seen the
Speaker 1: pictures of me and her?
Speaker 4: That's not Ai And you're telling me so just to
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, you got Gucci printed sneakers?
Speaker 1: Yes, I do. How much of those costs? By the way,
Speaker 1: it's seventy thousand dollars per plate, a little more expensive
Speaker 1: than Ron's roost seventy thousand of plate. So you take
Speaker 1: a couple with you to talk. I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 1: There's another picture. Is that really him? Not in a dress?
Speaker 4: No, it's a boostier knows that what that is. That's
Speaker 4: all we need is I called a boost. He's a
Speaker 4: man's man and a woman's man.
Speaker 1: Talk to the influencer about that, just saying, who's the influencer?
Speaker 1: That was a twenty three year old that was with
Speaker 1: him in the house in Anderson Township when his home
Speaker 1: was burglarized by the Chileans. That was her name, the influencer.
Speaker 1: I am the influencer. Believe me, I've seen her. She
Speaker 1: could influence me to do all kinds of stuff. I
Speaker 1: bet if women knew that part of they head over us,
Speaker 1: we'd be in worship than we're in right now. That's
Speaker 1: for sure. That's all I can tell you.
Speaker 4: The Baltimore Ravens released a kicker, Justin Tucker last night.
Speaker 4: Of course, he's been accused of sexual misconduct at eight
Speaker 4: spas and wellness centers throughout Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Not good. They said it was a football decision. You
Speaker 1: tell me, that's not Joe Burrow wearing a boost tier.
Speaker 1: Is that a boost tier? You know what a boostier is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not him. Who's sending that stuff?
Speaker 4: Can't say, yeah, can't say, can't say, just saying I
Speaker 4: don't want to start any roomors, so it'll be better
Speaker 4: than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. So thousand plate I went to Ron.
Speaker 4: I tell you one thing, if if I'm paying seventy
Speaker 4: What was on the menu?
Speaker 1: If I tell you one thing, seed quail?
Speaker 4: If if if I'm going to a place to eat
Speaker 4: for seventy grand, I'm gonna be there for a few days.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get get my fill. Guy Fieri, got.
Speaker 1: Nothing to be there eating like you're going to the electric.
Speaker 4: That's like going to Ron's Roost buffet twenty four to
Speaker 4: seven for a week.
Speaker 1: Our bill at Sunday afternoon was fifty two dollars. Took
Speaker 1: food home with me seventy thousand dollars the GOLLA met.
Speaker 1: Guess what I'd have a carry out back? Would you
Speaker 1: better send those refunds? Amen to that? I got the
Speaker 1: quail I got freaking what is what is freaking seed quail?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Don't ask me, dan quail? What is that?
Speaker 1: Ask uh Rocky would know. Yeah, Rocky knows about food.
Speaker 1: Shrimp Bombay launched a Newburgh and freaka seed quail under glass?
Speaker 1: What that might? That's not my cup of tea? There
Speaker 1: all right, segment, give me out of the studerip After
Speaker 1: two o'clock today we're gonna have on a police officer,
Speaker 1: Chief Scott Snow about how you can legitimately provide funds
Speaker 1: to the Henderson family and there are of need. And
Speaker 1: he's going to talk about numerous others, yes, fictitious sites,
Speaker 1: stealing money from Venmo to help the Henderson family. We'll
Speaker 1: deal with that in about ten minutes plus. I've arranged
Speaker 1: an interview tomorrow with Clyde Bennett, who the attorney for Hinton.
Speaker 4: Willie and honor of National Teacher Day and National Nurses
Speaker 4: Day on this Tuesday.
Speaker 1: We need more NA.
Speaker 4: Nurses, segment and teachers. We leave you with the immortal
Speaker 4: words of the stud report.
Speaker 1: At some point that foolishness has got to stop. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss that guy. In about two years a
Speaker 1: year and a half, he'll be gone, and Vivek Ramaswami
Speaker 1: will govern Ohio with an iron grips. Seg Man and Michael.
Speaker 4: Mike the Wine will probably move here and become a
Speaker 4: commentator for you. Come on, it might be your feeling,
Speaker 4: could be I could use a good one. You go on,
Speaker 4: you know, you go on your trips or something, no question.
Speaker 4: Go to the Southern Command. I got more pictures there
Speaker 4: of Joe Burrow in a boostier. Give it up on
Speaker 4: seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: Enter it now.
Speaker 1: By Bill cunning Immigrant America came out there recently that
Speaker 1: there's certain websites go plumby sites that seek to support
Speaker 1: either Rodney Hinton or Ryan Hinton. Either the eighteen year
Speaker 1: old is dead or the father who's I guess is
Speaker 1: going to make a not guilty of our reasonable insanity
Speaker 1: plea according to his attorney Clyde Bennett. But the other
Speaker 1: side of this coin is what's going to happen now
Speaker 1: to the Henderson family. Shield Ohio is a charitable group
Speaker 1: put together to assist fall in law enforcement officers in
Speaker 1: the performance of their duties, to assist the family members
Speaker 1: joining you and I now as Chief Scott Snow, he
Speaker 1: spent many years in writing The Home of the Blue Devils.
Speaker 1: As the chief of police, he is now involved with
Speaker 1: heading up a lot of the circumstances with the parks
Speaker 1: in Hamlety County. Does work there in the great park
Speaker 1: system we have and Chief Scott Snow, welcome again to
Speaker 1: the Bill Cunning m Show. And first of all, tell
Speaker 1: us what Shield Ohio does to assist fallen heroes.
Speaker 10: Sure we appreciate the opportunity to talk.
Speaker 2: Bill.
Speaker 10: The Shield Ohio was created by Cops for cops, and
Speaker 10: our sole purpose is to help those officers that are
Speaker 10: seriously injured or the families of officers who are killed
Speaker 10: in the line of duty. We do all our own fundraising.
Speaker 10: We have no paid staff. We are board of directors
Speaker 10: are cops or former officers or their friends of law enforcement.
Speaker 10: We go out, we collect money for these types of
Speaker 10: unfortunate events, and we not only give financial support to
Speaker 10: the fail but we also give emotional support for the families.
Speaker 10: And it was created actually all the way back in
Speaker 10: twenty twenty I'm sorry, two thousand with the off the
Speaker 10: death of Cincinnati police Officer Crown, and the Hamiley County
Speaker 10: police chiefs at the time felt like they needed to
Speaker 10: do something, so they stepped up and they all contributed
Speaker 10: one hundred dollars towards the front of the family and
Speaker 10: that was where the shield was born from. And since then,
Speaker 10: like I said, we're five O one C three. We
Speaker 10: have been a part, unfortunately, of many of the tri
Speaker 10: state officers deaths and officers have been seriously injured in
Speaker 10: the night of.
Speaker 1: Duty because there's a gap. For example, if some officer
Speaker 1: is injured, the expenses may be horrendous. Most are covered
Speaker 1: some or not. When a death takes place like in
Speaker 1: Henderson's case, it's truly unbelievable. Who decides who gets the
Speaker 1: money and who decides how much they get. Who's in
Speaker 1: charge of the money.
Speaker 10: We have a board of directors and we control that money.
Speaker 10: We will sit down with the family and our major
Speaker 10: focus is the short term. As you said, you know,
Speaker 10: there are some moneies that come in from the federal
Speaker 10: government when an officer dies in the line of duty,
Speaker 10: and some state moneies. But what about the short term?
Speaker 10: What about who's going to make next month's more mortgage
Speaker 10: dem payment, who's going to make the kid's tuition, who's
Speaker 10: going to pay for the internet for the house, who's
Speaker 10: going to pay for Little Johnny's karate lessons. That's the
Speaker 10: kind of stuff we step in. We try to identify
Speaker 10: the living expenses for the family for the next few
Speaker 10: months or several months at that and then we will
Speaker 10: issue direct aid to the family. We don't ask for
Speaker 10: an accounting because that's their business, but we want to
Speaker 10: be there for them. The other thing that we do
Speaker 10: is which is unique, is that you ever try to
Speaker 10: get a last minute airline ticket that's a little expensive
Speaker 10: So what we've done in the past is we have
Speaker 10: flown in family members from out of state the way
Speaker 10: they could come in and partake in the funeral services
Speaker 10: and be there as an emotional support for the family.
Speaker 10: Kaya Grant, the spring Day officer that was killed a
Speaker 10: couple of years ago, you know, Shield brought in her
Speaker 10: father who lived in Atlanta, and other family members, and
Speaker 10: we pay for airline tickets, we pay for hotels, we
Speaker 10: pay for rental cars, we pay for meals, because we
Speaker 10: want the family to be whole, to be there for
Speaker 10: these types of tragic events. So we do a lot
Speaker 10: of that kind of stuff. We pay for weeks, we
Speaker 10: pay for you know, all the little expenses that you
Speaker 10: don't think about.
Speaker 1: And many family members here, like in Chase, what happened
Speaker 1: on two seventy five to her was unbelievable and it comes,
Speaker 1: it comes immediately. You don't have planning, and the money
Speaker 1: needs to be there now. One of the one of
Speaker 1: the sadness is in our society are sick individuals taking
Speaker 1: advantage in this case of the murder of Larry Henderson.
Speaker 1: Explain what's happened some of these fake sites and people
Speaker 1: divert money for their personal reasons.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we use different platforms to help collect the nations,
Speaker 10: pay Pal, Venmo, and it just so happens on Friday
Speaker 10: into Saturday. We have a Venmo account and it's the
Speaker 10: Shield Ohio. But some evil people in this world decided
Speaker 10: to go in and create spoof sites on Venmo by
Speaker 10: changing a letter or putting a character on there. But
Speaker 10: they use our logo, our information to try to solicit
Speaker 10: donations from the generous public and trying to take money
Speaker 10: away from the family.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. That's a criminal act. I would hope the authorities
Speaker 1: are Prosecutor's office be involved with that. Talk about the
Speaker 1: Henderson family themselves. I met him one time briefly a
Speaker 1: year or two ago, and and but those who know
Speaker 1: him well, like Charmaine mcuffey and others, say he was
Speaker 1: the best of the best. And you also provide Shield
Speaker 1: Ohio provides emotional support. Explain the connection you've had with
Speaker 1: the Henderson family after Thursday.
Speaker 10: Sure, well, like I said, we know, we try to
Speaker 10: get involved right from the start. We were there at
Speaker 10: the hospital there walking you know, through those tragic events
Speaker 10: with the family. I can tell you that I have
Speaker 10: to echo what others have said about Larry of New Larry,
Speaker 10: and you know, he was a unique individual. A Marine
Speaker 10: Corps veteran, a member of the SWAT team, a sworn
Speaker 10: law enforcement officer. He was on several task force over
Speaker 10: his career. But yet the man had an ability to
Speaker 10: take those hats off and be one of the most
Speaker 10: compassionate and sympathetic human beings you'd ever meet. And here's
Speaker 10: a man who is, you know, a foster parent and
Speaker 10: engaged in his community in other ways separate from law enforcement.
Speaker 10: He was just a great individual. And so we're trying
Speaker 10: to be there for him and his family. We work
Speaker 10: hand in hand with the hamlet Ac County Police Association,
Speaker 10: Clergy Team, and several other mental health organizations in the
Speaker 10: tri state area. We can tap into those resources that
Speaker 10: the family needs them. We're just there to be a
Speaker 10: support mechanism for them.
Speaker 1: How's the family doing?
Speaker 10: There are strictly grief written and rightfully so, and they
Speaker 10: question why why was Larry targeted? And you know, I've
Speaker 10: dealt with a lot of these deaths of the years,
Speaker 10: and it's always the same thing, why, And especially in
Speaker 10: some type of senseless act like this, everybody's just have
Speaker 10: a loss for words, and you know, it's hard to
Speaker 10: say anything to people, you know why. It's just it's
Speaker 10: just it's just.
Speaker 1: Heartbreaking, especially when something of this character. He was in
Speaker 1: a sense of volunteering for those who knew him. My
Speaker 1: sister Diane Reddin knew him well. As far as he's
Speaker 1: on the SWAT team, he's on the dive team, he's
Speaker 1: an instructor, he's part of SWAT, interacts with the FBI.
Speaker 1: He's on the bomb squad. He goes through bombs, he
Speaker 1: goes through underwater diving, he goes through instructing, goes through
Speaker 1: all these things that are inherently dangerous. Having completed thirty
Speaker 1: three years of service and December and then three four
Speaker 1: months later he's on a traffic detail and some deranged
Speaker 1: criminal just wants to look for a uniform and kill
Speaker 1: that person. And this is even in a sense worse.
Speaker 10: And you know, I just tell people think about the
Speaker 10: man retired, he's coming back, he's working some AFTI de details,
Speaker 10: you know, just trying to help out the family. And
Speaker 10: here he's actually helping people crossing the street and he's
Speaker 10: targeted for that. It's craziness. It just it makes no sense,
Speaker 10: all right.
Speaker 1: Once again, it's a five oh one C three Shield
Speaker 1: Ohio of somebody wants to be involved all the money
Speaker 1: and unlike many charities were like thirty percent off the
Speaker 1: top goes to administration or sometimes in Washington eighty percent
Speaker 1: goes to salaries. There are no salaries and the money
Speaker 1: is administered by people like you and Chief Wallace and
Speaker 1: Thiji and those actually involved. They know the people involved.
Speaker 1: This is in an application you get from someone said,
Speaker 1: anyone know this guy? You know who exactly who it is,
Speaker 1: You know exactly what's happening, and once again, how can
Speaker 1: we help get the word out.
Speaker 10: Well, what would chourage people to do is to go
Speaker 10: to our website the Shield Ohio dot com or Theshield
Speaker 10: Ohio dot org, either one, and they'll see links on
Speaker 10: our homepage. They can give donations directly through PayPal or Venmo.
Speaker 10: We ask people to use our website as that portal
Speaker 10: instead of going into those different applications and searching, because
Speaker 10: that's where you find the spoof sites. You go to
Speaker 10: our website, click it. It's very easy, and just know
Speaker 10: that your donation is going to go directly to the family.
Speaker 10: And if people want there's a little memo line and
Speaker 10: those different ways to donate, and they can just put
Speaker 10: I want this to go to the family, and we're
Speaker 10: going to take care of all that for the next
Speaker 10: couple of days. But let's say somebody makes a donation
Speaker 10: a month from now, just put in the Henderson family
Speaker 10: and it'll go to them.
Speaker 1: I'm putting it right now on my line. I'm going
Speaker 1: to make sure it's easy to do the Shield Ohio
Speaker 1: dot com. Is that correct?
Speaker 10: That's correct there, it.
Speaker 1: Is Shield o'hilo dot com. Donate about contact supporters, do
Speaker 1: it legitimately and don't be suckered by those who want
Speaker 1: to benefit through the suffering of others, which happens too
Speaker 1: much in our society. The board of directors are those
Speaker 1: directly involved in law enforcement. The Henderson family is not
Speaker 1: well off and they could use a little bit of assistance,
Speaker 1: and sadly there'll be another occasion. Chief Scott snow, there'll
Speaker 1: be another occasion, another occasion. This is ongoing. Thanks for
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing, and may Larry Henderson rest in peace.
Speaker 1: And for those who want to help, there's a way
Speaker 1: to do it. The Shield Ohio dot com and.
Speaker 10: Billy, we appreciate your time, and we appreciate you getting
Speaker 10: this word out. You're a great American for supporting law enforcement.
Speaker 5: Like you do.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 1: It's easy because you're the thin blue line between democracy
Speaker 1: and anarchy. God knows, we have enough problem with law
Speaker 1: enforcement today. So many police officers, deputy sheriffs do not
Speaker 1: want to be engaged. They don't want to they're being
Speaker 1: old implicitly. Don't be progressive, do not be aggressive, don't
Speaker 1: go out there, relax a little bit. And now you
Speaker 1: got this deputy sheriff. We's simply helping people across the
Speaker 1: street for a UC commencement address, and he's targeted for
Speaker 1: murder because of the uniform that he wore, particularly egregious.
Speaker 1: Of course, all these I go back to Sonny Kim.
Speaker 1: Whenever I'm at GEDD to Heaven Cemetery, I always stop
Speaker 1: by Sonny Kim's grave and say a silent prayer thanks
Speaker 1: for what he went through. He was a Cincinnati police
Speaker 1: officer killed about eight years ago in Madisonville. And Larry
Speaker 1: Henderson is in the same category. It's just somebody doing
Speaker 1: their job and trying to keep democracy, trying to keep
Speaker 1: civilization together. Then they're murdered, and there must be help
Speaker 1: from society for it. But Chief Scott Snow once again,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show, and sadly
Speaker 1: we may have to do it again.
Speaker 10: God bless your bill, take care of yourself.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Let's continue with more the line becomes available
Speaker 1: five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, Ohio dot Com,
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred. You ought now, Billy Cunningham.
Speaker 1: Let's continue. We never stop. We simply continue. I'm glad
Speaker 1: to have the platform that I have, that you've accorded
Speaker 1: to me. In a sense I've earned it. But more importantly,
Speaker 1: I'm here because of you in large listenership, and also
Speaker 1: the advertisers. I thank them all. And right now, ohiomult
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Speaker 1: many that keep it going. And I'll be here as
Speaker 1: long as I appear to be useful, which I think
Speaker 1: is the case as I speak. I would note that JD.
Speaker 1: Vance has endorsed his half brother Corey Bowman for mayor
Speaker 1: of the City of Cincinnati. You may not know, but
Speaker 1: there's an election being held today. Head on earlier Frank LaRose, Franklosa,
Speaker 1: Secretary of State, talking to my State issue too, and
Speaker 1: based upon what he told me, I'm going to vote
Speaker 1: yet yes on state issue too, along with my lovely wife,
Speaker 1: because it's a continuation of a bonding ability the state
Speaker 1: has for water projects and sewer and roads and bridges
Speaker 1: and potholes. And let's face it, if it was for
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Brown Stadium, that would not be too popular
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. If it was for the Bengals, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be too popular in Cleveland, as for Ohio, state wouldn't
Speaker 1: be popular in either location. But these bond levies have
Speaker 1: nothing to do with any of the stadiums. It's the
Speaker 1: continuation of the ability of the state to borrow money
Speaker 1: in order to provide funds to have potholes fixed and
Speaker 1: bridges and abutments things like that. On top of it,
Speaker 1: and Frank Lorosa and others of voting yes on it,
Speaker 1: he's a conservative Republican and a soldier. I'm going to
Speaker 1: vote yes with him. But Jade Vance is endorsing Corey
Speaker 1: Bowman to become the mayor of Cincinnati. I think the
Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati voted seventy percent or so for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: The odds of a Republican becoming the air of the
Speaker 1: city Cincinnati has slighted best. It's been more than a
Speaker 1: half a century since the last mayor, which is Willis
Speaker 1: Gratison in the early nineteen seventies. It's not changing anytime soon,
Speaker 1: and I fear once again as a fall out of
Speaker 1: what's happened in this case. To me, it's a clear
Speaker 1: proper use of police use of force. It's clear to me,
Speaker 1: clear to me as the blue sky above, that this
Speaker 1: police officer had the ability, the power, and the responsibility
Speaker 1: to stop the threat presented by Ryan Hinton, eighteen years old.
Speaker 1: A police officer does not have to wait until he
Speaker 1: shot to make a decision. It was split second and
Speaker 1: when he ran out between the dumpsters, it was obvious
Speaker 1: to the police officer that Hinton had a nine millimeter
Speaker 1: in his right hand. He didn't have to wait to say,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait a split second longer to see if
Speaker 1: he turns it towards me and shoots me. I'm going
Speaker 1: to wait for that till I'm dead. Then maybe my
Speaker 1: last dying gas returned fire. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: The law is if he perceived a threat that a
Speaker 1: reasonable police officer would have perceived in the same circumstance,
Speaker 1: it's a justified shooting. Hate to use the term it's
Speaker 1: a good shooting. None of these shootings are good except
Speaker 1: in self defense. And this shooting was good because it
Speaker 1: was in self defense. The cop defended his own life
Speaker 1: and the life of officers behind him. Numerous times. Ryan
Speaker 1: Hinton had the ability to stop his behavior. When the
Speaker 1: police cars pulled into the lot with lights on and
Speaker 1: sirens of blazing. Ryan Hinton could have got out of
Speaker 1: the car, put his hands up and deal with it
Speaker 1: as a stolen car and maybe a legal possession of
Speaker 1: a firearm because whoever possessed him as four guys in
Speaker 1: the car too, who knows what would have happened. He
Speaker 1: would have to add on bond within six hours. Made
Speaker 1: a mistake. Didn't surrender at that point. Two when he
Speaker 1: made the decision to pick up the gun and run
Speaker 1: with the gun. Why would somebody pick up a gun,
Speaker 1: a loaded gun with a slug in the in the
Speaker 1: chambers planned to use it? Number two should have taken
Speaker 1: the gun with him. Number three, when he slipped and
Speaker 1: fell and the gun left his possession. Had a big
Speaker 1: decision then with the cops right there, put his arms
Speaker 1: up and say, okay, you got me. No, he didn't
Speaker 1: do that. He picked up the gun. That's number three.
Speaker 1: Then when he continued to run with the gun, that's
Speaker 1: number four. And at that point the officer did not
Speaker 1: have to wait to get shot in order to dispel
Speaker 1: the threat. And he was had the gun in his
Speaker 1: possession for one reason, which was to shoot police officers.
Speaker 1: That's why he had it. So I think his behavior
Speaker 1: was completely reasonable. Let's continue to thirty one home your
Speaker 1: reds this radio seven hundred WW.
Speaker 11: Would not extend these big and as tax cuts, and
Speaker 11: I would not pay for him by clombring the middle
Speaker 11: class and the little middle class by cutting medicaid expensives
Speaker 11: of what he said.
Speaker 3: He was had medicaid.
Speaker 11: Go watch the budget that's been submitted. It's already got
Speaker 11: to take undreds. He said he was going in the war.
Speaker 4: It's nothing about cutting medicaid.
Speaker 11: I mean it is a private and I didn't say
Speaker 11: I'm not saying not saying I'm going to end the
Speaker 11: bunch of war.
Speaker 1: And you know it can I.
Speaker 2: No, you can't.
Speaker 11: You can't say it's in the budget there's a Medicaid
Speaker 11: cut when there is it. Excuse me for I think
Speaker 11: a while you are outrupting me.
Speaker 4: I am this is ridiculous, and I mean he does
Speaker 4: it every.
Speaker 1: Night and like a point, yes, go ahead.
Speaker 11: He was going to end the Ukraine War on day one.
Speaker 4: Oh, come on, he's a third But what did Biden
Speaker 4: do for four years?
Speaker 1: And there nothing? He tried me.
Speaker 2: Nuts, hello buiot and I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 4: Of course on Chris Cuomo lion.
Speaker 12: But that is the lie that he's gonna cut Medicaid,
Speaker 12: which is absolutely not say he wants to cap Medicare.
Speaker 12: And the sipulation is he thinks there should be a
Speaker 12: work requirement about GID to get healthcare.
Speaker 1: Is that not a sane idea?
Speaker 12: How many stands to answer that question, how many stands
Speaker 12: in the Union require work to get healthcare?
Speaker 1: And say very few? One? You know which one? It is,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Georgia.
Speaker 12: Well, but it seems like a reasonable propositions to work
Speaker 12: and gets some benefits, not gonna cutting you want to
Speaker 12: cap it.
Speaker 1: It's very different.
Speaker 12: That's the only talking point they have that and he
Speaker 12: promised to end the war on day one, which happening yet,
Speaker 12: but that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You're avoiding, of course, the obvious question.
Speaker 12: This is about Jordan Hudson or is it about Jojoe Burrow?
Speaker 12: Both now Joe Burrow together? Now what the That's the
Speaker 12: point I'm trying to make. Unless you quit interfering with
Speaker 12: you in a minute. I think she's ditching Bill Belichick
Speaker 12: right now for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4: Is that possible? I don't think so now. And he
Speaker 4: sent me a couple of articles last night. I sent
Speaker 4: you who did you?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 10: Now?
Speaker 1: It appears that the Bengals right now have some ota.
Speaker 1: Am I right or wrong about?
Speaker 7: That?
Speaker 1: Started today? New wide receivers got this, got that got
Speaker 1: the Safeties. And Joe Burrows at the Met Gala on
Speaker 1: the red carpet wearing a Boostdia. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: wearing a boostier. He's wearing a told wear in a suit.
Speaker 6: Did not?
Speaker 1: He wore a suit and Gucci sneakers I got. I
Speaker 1: got a picture of him. I got those Gucci sneakers rock.
Speaker 1: You know what a BOOSTI is, but a Boostia, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what that is. Seg said, he wears I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is himself. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you probably wear them at night top that females wear right,
Speaker 1: Not sure, but segment tells me that's the case. What
Speaker 1: is the question? Are you worried about Joe Burrow more
Speaker 1: concerned with seventy thousand dollars a plate met galla red carpet,
Speaker 1: Rather he was.
Speaker 4: Here working on timing with his receivers. You think it
Speaker 4: might be more useful, but it's only May, right. Maybe
Speaker 4: that's why they start off losing all their games and
Speaker 4: they'll be here tomorrow, relied. Are you sure he's gonna
Speaker 4: be here exact?
Speaker 12: Taylor came out and said that they're going to do
Speaker 12: some things at the beginning of the season, in the
Speaker 12: off season and training camp to get a little bit
Speaker 12: faster start was good.
Speaker 1: That's gonna happen? Is that gonna happen?
Speaker 5: Zach?
Speaker 1: I trust he's gonna get it done. How many OTAs
Speaker 1: did Peyton Manning mess with the Colts? Zero sig your reaction?
Speaker 4: Will he the stooge reporters of prop service over your
Speaker 4: local tame Star heating and air conditioning dealers tame Star quality.
Speaker 4: You could feel a beautiful northern Kentucky call any weather
Speaker 4: heating air at eight five, nine seventy eight, one forty eight.
Speaker 1: He's still with that influence. Twenty three year old have
Speaker 1: stayed with him in Anderson Township to provide influencing influencing services.
Speaker 1: Oh whatever she did while the burglary's taking place, She's
Speaker 1: in a part of the house and she's influencing, calling
Speaker 1: her what was happening? Togat? She called her mom during
Speaker 1: the mom the cops caught her. Moham caught her mom.
Speaker 12: Was a conversation, why somebody's breaking in or how do
Speaker 12: I get myself out of here without being scene?
Speaker 1: Or her Chileans the Chileans. Then they're on social media,
Speaker 1: weren't Joe Burrows stuff? That's the best.
Speaker 4: They wanted to go to Orlando, but they were going
Speaker 4: seventy five north outside.
Speaker 1: I want to go to Orlando, Orlando?
Speaker 5: What so you think the.
Speaker 12: State troopers says you're going the wrong way. So according
Speaker 12: to the argum you sent me last night, I sent
Speaker 12: it to you. Do you do you think that Bill
Speaker 12: Belichick will not coach? I made you Sunday bet and
Speaker 12: just give me give me your three premises behind.
Speaker 1: That number one? Yeah, Number one, the uh, the smoke
Speaker 1: and the fire from this relationship with Jordan is of
Speaker 1: such a character of the North Carolina. According to my
Speaker 1: sources in Raleigh are saying in Chapel Hill, this is
Speaker 1: not a good fit. This is a bad Number two
Speaker 1: that he is not uh sho. I always say interacting
Speaker 1: with the North Carolina faithful. This is may he's worrying.
Speaker 1: He's gone a lot, has had two meetings with the teams,
Speaker 1: no practices, and he doesn't know who the players are.
Speaker 1: And he's not a North Carolina kind of a guy.
Speaker 1: And number three, he can make ten million dollars a
Speaker 1: year and Sammy's making North Carolina being a Fox Sports
Speaker 1: analyst without all the problems, and so North Carolina is
Speaker 1: reconsidering and they can get out for a million dollars
Speaker 1: and by June first and pay him a million and
Speaker 1: that's it. I think it's too late for them to
Speaker 1: do that. I think they've got the whole program's done
Speaker 1: right now. No, No, I think the guys stick with him.
Speaker 1: What about his son? I think and look, and as
Speaker 1: I told you last night, I see it the other way.
Speaker 12: I think he needs to stay and have success because
Speaker 12: even with all what's going on with the girlfriend and
Speaker 12: all that. I still believe he cares very much about
Speaker 12: his legacy, and if he would step down now or
Speaker 12: go back to the media now, his legacy.
Speaker 1: Absolutely would be ruined.
Speaker 12: But with all this so called turmoil, he goes and
Speaker 12: coaches North Carolina and they win seven eight games this year,
Speaker 12: and now all of a sudden, his legacy's back. And okay,
Speaker 12: you know, okay, he had that thing, and he wins
Speaker 12: some winning solved everything.
Speaker 1: A year from now.
Speaker 12: He wants a bunch of games a year from now.
Speaker 12: Everyone's kind of laughing about it. But hey, the guy
Speaker 12: still gets it done, Jordan said. But the other there's
Speaker 12: you can't and three and Jordan's on the sidelines giving him.
Speaker 12: We got problems, now, we got issues. Yes, that's out
Speaker 12: there in some crazy outfit, shaking her finger at people
Speaker 12: and giving people to something.
Speaker 1: That's it. Don't use any sexual references on this show, please,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I beat you to it. That's correct.
Speaker 4: Red's update Willie and they have made the following transaction.
Speaker 4: Here we go get ready placed on the injured listeners
Speaker 4: infielder outfielder Tyler Callahan with that left forearm fracture, so
Speaker 4: terrible Victor and.
Speaker 1: Dirty Harry Callahan with that's the same different.
Speaker 4: Right hand or Rett Louder has been sent out or
Speaker 4: a rehab assignment to Arizona. I bet get him back
Speaker 4: and then he's supposed to end up in Dayton and
Speaker 4: then maybe back to the big leagues. The bats, when
Speaker 4: you bring in some bats recalled out from Triple A, Louisville,
Speaker 4: the home of the Bats, give me some runs, sag
Speaker 4: outfielder Jacob heard of bees and right handed pitcher Lion
Speaker 4: Richardson heard the bees.
Speaker 1: The bees, heard of bees, heard of bees, heard of
Speaker 1: best likes.
Speaker 4: Not like Reds and Braves. Tonight at the game two,
Speaker 4: Andrew Abbott v. Chris Sale coverage begins six oh five
Speaker 4: with that guy Lance, is he for sale?
Speaker 1: Sports?
Speaker 4: Talking the Arnell Carriers inside pitch and then Kelsey Chevrolet
Speaker 4: Extra inning show after the game?
Speaker 1: Is Chris Sale? The old Chris Sale or seat for sale?
Speaker 1: He used to be unhittable like Randy Johnson one and
Speaker 1: two or one and three. This year he's hit.
Speaker 12: Of course, the Reds won that one game twenty four
Speaker 12: to two. Since then, he is space that runs out
Speaker 12: a little bit. We can just average about six or
Speaker 12: seven a game. Yeah, that would work maybe for the
Speaker 12: most part. Better them winning half their games this year
Speaker 12: was looking great. We look ago not good.
Speaker 1: Bengals up.
Speaker 4: They brought to you my good Spirits and Party Town,
Speaker 4: a third team convenient locations in northern Kentucky. Face two
Speaker 4: of the voluntary offseason workout program has begun. No Joe
Speaker 4: Burrow at the workout today. Chase Higgins gets sicky on
Speaker 4: the field. Bj Hill protective foot on his left foot.
Speaker 4: Here we go, let's see Zach Moss did not work
Speaker 4: out because of his neck. Quarterback Jake the Snake Browning
Speaker 4: and Logan wood Side.
Speaker 1: We're there now. Now the rookies are not there. They
Speaker 1: come this weekend, right, rookie many? Can't Joe Burrow be
Speaker 1: here from the met Galla red carpet this weekend? No,
Speaker 1: it won't be.
Speaker 4: Geno Stone, the safety is going to take a pay cut.
Speaker 4: What six point four million he was supposed to make
Speaker 4: now it's four point nine.
Speaker 1: How about he wants to be on the cover of
Speaker 1: Vogue magazine? Can you see the Stone? No, Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: can you see him on the cover of Vogue? Would
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning never be on the cover of Vogue. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, but I could see Joe Burrow doing it.
Speaker 1: If that should be.
Speaker 4: You want to be on the cover of Vogue, absolutely,
Speaker 4: Look give the ladies a little bit of my shoulder.
Speaker 1: Watch what happens. Give him a little taste of action.
Speaker 12: Have you ever been on the cover of magazine? Yeah,
Speaker 12: Cincinnati Magazines and magazine. It was a nice fluff piece
Speaker 12: they did.
Speaker 1: It was a fluffy one. Remember that calendar we were in, Yes,
Speaker 1: we did a calendar. I unfortunately saw that the ladies.
Speaker 1: The one where you were in the wheelbarrow.
Speaker 4: That was that was That was Joe and that was Yeah,
Speaker 4: Marty was in the wheelbarrow. It was the one where
Speaker 4: you and WILLI were naked out in the cornfield. We
Speaker 4: were in a cornfield caressing each other. Would you get
Speaker 4: naked for each other?
Speaker 1: What charity? Rock charity? Would you get naked for charity? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: See about that.
Speaker 4: Kentucky Derby winners sovereignty will not run into Preakness stacks
Speaker 4: and any chance of a triple crown for a seventh
Speaker 4: consecutive year, said that, you know, there's not going to run.
Speaker 4: He's going to run In the June seventh Belmont Stakes.
Speaker 4: It's hard to imagine twenty eighteen was seven years ago.
Speaker 4: That's when Justified won the Triple God as slow as
Speaker 4: the years fly by. How about Kyle Smith. You know
Speaker 4: Kyle Smith. I know we outfit Segon a regular basis.
Speaker 4: But Kyle Smith's the NFL's first ever fashion editor and
Speaker 4: he styles Joe Burrow. Got pictures of Joe and KYLDERGI jealous. Yes,
Speaker 4: he's a graduate of California State Polytechnical University. Initially he
Speaker 4: worked part time NFL Network dressing the host. Now he's
Speaker 4: branched out to the players and he's taken on Joe
Speaker 4: Burrow as a client to dress him to each their
Speaker 4: own I guess get him on.
Speaker 1: To get him on, I give him a come on.
Speaker 1: By the way, Smith recently made Cultured Magazines Cult. He's
Speaker 1: in the Cult one hundred list for shaping culture for
Speaker 1: years to come. He met Joe Burrow at the past
Speaker 1: Paris Fashion Show in twenty twenty four, where the QP
Speaker 1: walked into Vogue World Show. So Joe Burrow's got a
Speaker 1: fashion editor.
Speaker 12: What gooes? You want to have his own clothing line
Speaker 12: or like, what is the goal? Are just just increased
Speaker 12: the image and the I guess I get it, not.
Speaker 1: What I would do. But he was a hairstylist too well.
Speaker 1: Last year he had his hair buzz and I got
Speaker 1: a hairstylist sports clips down this tree, great clips seven
Speaker 1: and he doesn't like when you go there, she says,
Speaker 1: I look terrible to get the place across fifty bucks.
Speaker 4: Maybe you need that fashioned guy. I want to get
Speaker 4: a fashion show and a haircut. When you had your show,
Speaker 4: back to that in a second sake. When you were
Speaker 4: when you were a TV show, did you have a
Speaker 4: I addressed you. Yes, I did, Hickey Freeman, Hickey Freeman.
Speaker 1: So what were the choices like this suit or that suit?
Speaker 1: I had twelve suits and twenty four shirts, and I
Speaker 1: had twelve ties. And you want to tell that story
Speaker 1: when they first kit you came to town and the
Speaker 1: door knocked. Was it the lady setting up the shower
Speaker 1: or something she wanted to I've heard the story telling.
Speaker 3: Shy.
Speaker 1: But they had to like they had to get like
Speaker 1: this hose, and I had to look at So she
Speaker 1: comes in and she's extremely attractive, I think, but what
Speaker 1: I'm thirty years old. She's I'm here to give you
Speaker 1: a tan and I said, okay, what do you mean
Speaker 1: what we're talking about?
Speaker 10: Here?
Speaker 1: I'm in the event in a suite and there's a
Speaker 1: large walking shower. She said, get in the shower and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna color you. I'm going, well, what do you
Speaker 1: mean we'll take your clothes off. I'm going, hey, take
Speaker 1: is this part of the TV show? I said, really?
Speaker 1: So uh it was a different TV show.
Speaker 4: So my white socks and my undy's on and I said, no,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, there's nothing here.
Speaker 1: Their boxers. I always wear briefs the ladies with a
Speaker 1: large package. So I stand there in this shower and
Speaker 1: she gets out this device and I put my arms
Speaker 1: carse you.
Speaker 4: Was everywhere, and I wait, like twenty minutes to if
Speaker 4: you wait too long, I get too dark. And I'm
Speaker 4: kind of a white skin kind of a guy. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: So exactly twenty minutes, I took off my undease in
Speaker 4: my She had left by this point in my socks
Speaker 4: and I go and I take a shower, and I
Speaker 4: looked like vanilla chocolate cookies. I was like chocolate.
Speaker 12: I do remember your you said a darker complex and
Speaker 12: during what did uh? The people's judge said, I didn't
Speaker 12: tell Penny. I didn't tell what's a good thing? She
Speaker 12: told that story that I was.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not taking my clothes off. I don't
Speaker 1: think I was a newbie. I'm thinking, you know, I
Speaker 1: got I'm going to Did she assist you ship all
Speaker 1: the way down?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 1: What did that matter?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 1: I said, it doesn't is literally your hands, your face,
Speaker 1: your neck. It was somebody. I'm not going to show
Speaker 1: any of my private parts. This isn't that kind of
Speaker 1: a show. Sounds me a little something, I said Cashing East,
Speaker 1: I had Hickey Freeman got like a turtle head with
Speaker 1: a shell coming out.
Speaker 4: That's a different issue. But nonetheless, I thought, you know,
Speaker 4: this is I didn't want to act as if I
Speaker 4: was you know, I had to act like it was cool.
Speaker 4: I couldn't say I feel like that was a test.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 1: It was a test, and you you passed tested. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to show her the goods. Just can't be
Speaker 1: doing that. Maybe I got Sarah, elease, you're avoiding the
Speaker 1: obvious issue. She could be my fashion East. I need
Speaker 1: a haircut specialist too. From great clips. I can't are
Speaker 1: you sure? Alright?
Speaker 3: Rock?
Speaker 1: What's on the big right game?
Speaker 12: We got Jeremy Rosenthal on the Diddy Trial. Yes, sir,
Speaker 12: he is armed. I mean he's got He's still worth
Speaker 12: like a billion dollars. His legal team is very, very expensive.
Speaker 1: I got a text and Bob the Bricklayer, I'm on
Speaker 1: the cover of Wrinkles Daily.
Speaker 12: We got doctor Jeane Kritsky, Oh cicadas, the bug guy.
Speaker 12: They're coming out, Saint Joe, right, they're coming, Yes, when
Speaker 12: are they come?
Speaker 1: Four pm?
Speaker 12: He's gonna tell us goody. And then we have Dan Sturmer,
Speaker 12: Associate professor. You see at five o'clock on the zombie volcano.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to erupt in zombies.
Speaker 12: There's a there's a volcano, hadn't rupted and turn fifty
Speaker 12: thousand years, but there's conserativity activity.
Speaker 1: Nothing but issues, se.
Speaker 4: Man, give me out as soon as that was a
Speaker 4: right at King's Island, a zombie volcano.
Speaker 1: Haven't haven't been there in a while, been there a
Speaker 1: long time, but we got issues. We got Jordan, We
Speaker 1: got Joe Burrow on the red carpet with a fashionista
Speaker 1: and a hair specially.
Speaker 12: Say, once you get, once you get Sarah least to
Speaker 12: personally address you in the morning, look like you upgrade
Speaker 12: your act a little bit here.
Speaker 1: I think she ensure that you might as well. What
Speaker 1: she walked into said, sake, take your clothes off, Willie
Speaker 1: and Hotter of uh, what is today?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What we do.
Speaker 1: In honor of National Nurses Day? We need one around here. Defense.
Speaker 1: We leave you with the immortal words of the stew
Speaker 1: the whole Town's battie about Cincinnati. What a team?
Speaker 3: What a team?
Speaker 1: What a team? How about scoring some runs? Tonight on
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