WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.000 What if I just leaned into it? What if I 2 00:00:02.040 --> 00:00:04.759 started like digging pit Bull? Would you still play pit Bull? 3 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:07.240 If I actually because you only do this to ruin 4 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:10.279 my Friday. If I leaned into it and pretended I 5 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:14.800 enjoy it, could we stop it? No? No, if you 6 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:16.879 lean in, we're gonna We're gonna lean in as well. 7 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:17.839 We're married to it. 8 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:21.199 Well, you know what that means. Ultimately, when pit Bull 9 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:23.280 is played on this radio show, it means it's time 10 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:26.920 for the regular appearance of one Zach Harper on a 11 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:30.000 Friday afternoon. Mister Harper, Happy Friday. Where do we find you, 12 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:34.920 Los Angeles? How'd you get out of going to Oklahoma City? 13 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:39.320 I'm doing these live streams for the NBA for the 14 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:41.640 pregame show on their app, so you know, it's better 15 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:43.920 if I'm in a stable internet connection. 16 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:47.520 Well, congratulations to you, sir, Thank you. Is this the 17 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:49.200 first time? Is this the first year you've done that? 18 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:51.600 And I noticed I saw some of your social posts. 19 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:52.759 Is this the first year you've done that? 20 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:53.799 No? 21 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.399 I did it. I did it last year. It's just 22 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:59.560 it was such a quick finals we didn't hard to notice. 23 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:01.640 Tell everybody where they can go find it. 24 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:04.439 Zach, you just go straight to the NBA app or 25 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:08.560 I believe on any of their socials, Instagram, TikTok an 26 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:09.079 that stuff. 27 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:09.400 Yeah. 28 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:12.200 All right, well let's start with the finals and we'll 29 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:14.840 move in some other directions, including a higher that was 30 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:17.280 made out this way. But I'll tell you what man like, 31 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:20.040 I feel like. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure who 32 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:22.519 you picked. My guess is, like everybody else, you probably 33 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:26.599 picked OKC. I picked OKC in five. They'd have to 34 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:29.359 win four straight now, and maybe that's still on the table. 35 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:32.439 And I don't know what else to say about this 36 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:35.680 Pacers team. And I just hate the Pacers, but I'm 37 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:39.439 just so impressed that they just don't quit until the 38 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:41.959 zero's are on that clock. Your takeaway from Game. 39 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:44.760 One, Yeah, I mean I had the Pacers to win 40 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:47.799 last night, but I had Thunder and six. I mean, 41 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:50.439 this team's just good. You know, they're really good, and 42 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:53.640 they don't give up, like you said, and you know 43 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:56.920 it's funny, like you know, this is what their fifth 44 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.040 comeback in this postseason down fifteen or more. 45 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:04.719 It's just absurd. And there's a. 46 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:08.280 Point where I have to think that even a team 47 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:11.000 like the Thunder, you know, there's a point where you're 48 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:13.680 up double digits and it's getting late into the fourth quarter, 49 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.240 and then once they get into that single digit territory, 50 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:19.120 You've got to know what's possible here, right, not just 51 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:21.919 because it's an NBA game, because it's this Pacers team. 52 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:25.919 And it wasn't just Tyber's Saliverton going nuts. It was 53 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:27.919 it was Obi Top and hit some threes, and Miles 54 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.240 Turner hit some threes, and Nemhart hit a shot and 55 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:32.240 Paskel Siaston got to rebound. 56 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:32.360 It. 57 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:35.360 It's just it's everybody, you know, no one had a 58 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:38.680 good game. Everyone just had solid games last night. And 59 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:43.120 for you to force them into twenty five turnovers and 60 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:47.960 only get eleven points off those turnovers is ridiculous. I mean, 61 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:52.879 that is just incredible, you know, incredible basketball by the Pacers. 62 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.800 It's rare. It's almost incomprehensible to say a team played 63 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:00.479 great basketball after turning the ball over twenty five. But 64 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:04.159 they reacted well to those moments. Because we've seen so 65 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:07.280 many teams, i mean, throughout this playoffs, the Memphis Grizzlies, 66 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:11.240 the Denver Nuggets, the Minnesota Timberwolves, they get those turnovers 67 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:13.599 and they just let it defeat them and the Pacers 68 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:15.080 they're just not built that way. 69 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.879 Was there any point last night that you thought Oklahoma 70 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:21.000 City had a wrapped up. I've been talking to our 71 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:23.520 guest today, so watching the game last night with a 72 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:26.960 few buddies, and when SGA hit that layup that I 73 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:30.000 think put them up seven with like ninety seconds left 74 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.879 or whatever, one of my buddies like, yeah, Okay, that 75 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:34.919 should probably do it. I'm like, okay, you haven't watched 76 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.639 at all, and I get it. I mean, you and 77 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:42.479 I are basketball sikos, but it's you know, the Knick 78 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.240 series was interesting because there's an emotional thing and I 79 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:48.360 just know as a Nick fan, if it can go round, 80 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:51.039 it probably will. But at no point did I think 81 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:53.560 Oklahoma City had that wrapped up, even when they're up 82 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:55.599 fifteen in the fourth, when they're up seven with ninety eight, 83 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:57.759 At any point did you think, okay, o case, he's 84 00:03:57.800 --> 00:03:58.159 got this. 85 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:03.199 And when SGA went up for that jumper on that 86 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:06.879 final possession that would have put it up three. As 87 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:08.159 he goes up for that jumper, I thought he was 88 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:10.520 gonna hit it. And if he hits that, I thought, okay, 89 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:12.800 they're probably good. Even though it only pushes it to three, 90 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:14.759 and obviously you can easily tie the game on the 91 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:17.319 next possession, but we know that the thunder are then 92 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:19.319 going to foul and we're gonna get into that whole 93 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:23.079 nonsense of intentional fouls there, right, So as he goes 94 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:25.839 up for I'm thinking, all right, he's got this, They've 95 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:29.240 got this once that goes in. Once that missed, and 96 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:31.279 they got the ball to Halliburn and I saw they 97 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:34.079 weren't calling time out. That's when I thought, oh no, 98 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:36.920 this is gonna happen again. And then they didn't throw 99 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:39.040 a double at Halle, they didn't rush him at all. 100 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:41.600 They let him just walk into a pull up jumper. 101 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:44.079 And as soon as he let that thing go, you 102 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.720 just knew. You just knew, because he's done it for 103 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:48.879 you know, four times now. 104 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:49.759 In this postseason. 105 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:53.160 I mean, that guy is just as clenched as it gets. 106 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:54.360 He is. 107 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:57.399 And you know, while I do not do first take radio, 108 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.959 I do want to ask your opinion, just don't kind 109 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:03.319 of where he exists, like the whole moniker of like 110 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:05.560 is he a superstar is he not? I suppose that's 111 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:07.720 either the Beholder stuff and other people can debate it 112 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:10.680 back and forth, and I certainly wouldn't put him up 113 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:13.759 there with Jokic or Luca or whoever. But you know, 114 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:18.720 as he continues to silence people, and look, if we're honest, 115 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.720 for about thirty minutes, our guy was a wallflower last night, 116 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:23.279 and I'm watching the game, I'm like, where is he? 117 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:23.879 Where are you? 118 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:27.199 Like put your stamp on this game? But ultimately winning 119 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:30.519 games the way he has and he is a lead guard, 120 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:32.920 so if he's not scoring, he is doing other things. 121 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:35.319 And he rebounded well last night and he only had 122 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:38.399 three turnovers in thirty nine minutes. Is the main ball 123 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:40.600 handler against one of the best defenses we've seen in 124 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:44.240 a generation. And I'm not saying like is he top five, 125 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.160 six or seven, whatever, but like generally speaking, where is 126 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:49.839 his cul de sac in pro basketball right now? Where 127 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:50.319 does he live? 128 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:53.879 Yeah, he's a superstar. I mean this dude's been doing it. 129 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:57.240 For two years now. And Okay, he's not Stephanie, he's 130 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:01.920 not SCA. Okay, but we've seeing him prove himself time 131 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:02.480 and time again. 132 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:03.879 He's a big shot. 133 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:07.360 Maker like I and he's a guy that's leading a 134 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:09.439 really good team, just led them to the finals. 135 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:11.720 And look we can't do the thing this year of 136 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:12.759 what we did last year with them. 137 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:14.360 Last year's like, oh yeah, they got to the Conference 138 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.639 finals because of injuries. Yeah, probably right, Like I don't 139 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:18.759 think there's anything wrong with that. I you know, New 140 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:21.199 York got really injured in that series, and I think 141 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.160 if New York stays relatively healthy, they end up winning 142 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:27.279 that game seven. This year, you can't say that. I'm 143 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:28.800 not having that with the Bucks. They were beating the 144 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:29.720 Bucks in that series. 145 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:30.040 No matter what. 146 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:31.839 I'm not having that with the Calves. They're beating the 147 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:34.519 Calves no matter what. Like that Cavs team is weak. 148 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:37.199 And then and then you know, that Knick series was 149 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:39.279 really good. I think it could have gone either way 150 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:42.639 in a lot of those games and they ended up 151 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:45.120 pulling it out because he was great. And this is 152 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.399 a guy that is an elite leader on the court. 153 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.560 He's an elite clutch player. He's one of the best 154 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:54.759 point guards in the world, and you trust him with 155 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:56.959 the ball, and I'm with you, Like there's points where 156 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:58.959 you're like, man, is he gonna put his his stamp 157 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.839 on this game? You know, as that game's going on, 158 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.240 And I'm not putting him in this category but he's 159 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:07.959 you know, we see that with Steph Curry at times too, right, 160 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:09.680 Like Steph will kind of just kind of by his 161 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:11.720 time by this time, by this time, I think Tyree's 162 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:13.720 kind of lets the game come to him until a 163 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.319 certain point. And a big part of that is while 164 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:19.759 Steph is creating gravity, you know, through his movement and everything, 165 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:22.439 Tyree's is just he's slinging that thing around the court. 166 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:24.000 And he played good defense and as you mentioned, he 167 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:27.560 rebounded really well. You know, he's someone that is still 168 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.680 contributing to winning basketball and I think he is a 169 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:34.639 big part of the reason why they don't give up. 170 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:37.240 Even if he's not the one hitting the shots, he's 171 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:38.439 leading that whole thing. 172 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:42.360 Yeah, and the stat you referenced is the stat that 173 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.639 stands out led the show with it, Like Oklahoma City 174 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:50.839 is a lade at forcing turnovers and scoring off of turnovers. 175 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:54.120 But if you're turning twenty four turnovers into eleven points, 176 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:58.040 like there's a world Zach at halftime, Indiana should have 177 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.800 been down twenty five, you know. Yeah, And we heard 178 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.680 Rick Carlisle in the locker room like it's not good news. 179 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:05.639 We're turning over like this, But it's a miracle. We're 180 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:09.079 still We're still in the game. And for about man, 181 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:11.720 I don't know, maybe forty minutes of the forty eight 182 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.680 Oklahoma City seemed to be in this like we're up 183 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:19.040 between seven and thirteen, and we can't extend it beyond that. 184 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:22.000 But every time they kind of creep closer, you know, 185 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:25.120 we're able to find an answer. But because of their 186 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:28.800 inability to turn those turnovers into points, I'm watching the 187 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:31.879 score and I'm thinking, like, this is so far from over. 188 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:35.840 So if you're Indiana, you could feel really good about 189 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:37.559 the fact that you're up one zero and you turned 190 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:39.799 it over that much. But do you believe that Oklahoma 191 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.320 City will continue to have a problem converting turnovers into 192 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:45.759 points because they've been so elite at it all year long? 193 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:48.679 No, But you also can't think that you're going to 194 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.279 turn over twenty five times? Sure, right, Like this is 195 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:53.799 the tenth game counting the playoffs this year where they've 196 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:55.879 turned it over twenty or more times. 197 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.000 And this, I mean, this is one of the best. 198 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:00.480 Teams in the league at not turning the ball over. 199 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.159 And even Halibert, you know you mentioned the three turnovers. 200 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.759 That's a lot for him. He doesn't turned the ball 201 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:08.000 over three times in a game, and all those came 202 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:09.960 in the first half. So he corrected that at halftime, 203 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:11.799 like he didn't have one in the second half, I believe. 204 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:15.080 And so you know, like Obi Toping looked like he 205 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:18.519 was he was so scared in the first half, and 206 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:20.120 then he settles down hits a bunch of threes in 207 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.600 the second half, Like you know, Neee Smith looks scared 208 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.360 in the first half, Miles Turner looks scared in the 209 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:27.799 first like they look like, oh you know, it hit 210 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.000 them like, oh man, we're in the finals, and then 211 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.519 they settled down. I think that's coaching. I think that's leadership, 212 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:35.200 and I think that's the team that is confident that, hey, 213 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:36.279 we can keep coming back. 214 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:36.399 Now. 215 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:38.279 I don't think it's good to get down double digits 216 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:40.879 every time. I know they're five and three with this 217 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:43.720 year or this postseason, when they get down fifteen points 218 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:46.480 or more in a game, which is a ridiculous stat 219 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:49.080 and so you don't want to keep doing that, especially 220 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:51.799 not against a team like the Thunder. But the fact 221 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:56.559 that they are so comfortable down and I got to 222 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:58.759 think like even a team like the Thunder, they could 223 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:02.320 be up double digits in fourth quarter in Game two 224 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.720 at home, and if that thing gets the single digits, 225 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:08.000 I don't care how good and confident that team is. 226 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:10.399 That thing starts getting the single digits and they miss 227 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:12.799 a shot here and there. You know that they're thinking, 228 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:15.399 oh no, here it goes again. Because we just saw 229 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:17.679 that with Cleveland, We saw it with New York. You know, 230 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:19.639 we saw it with Okay see last night, you have 231 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:20.559 to start thinking that. 232 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:26.200 So the final possession, I thought this was interesting. And honestly, 233 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:30.960 I mean, Rick Carlisle's put on a masterclass all all postseason. 234 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:34.039 So they get the rebound you reference. So when Shaye 235 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:35.639 went up for that shot, first of all, that's the 236 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:38.120 shot he wants, right, he gets the shot he wants, 237 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:41.039 gets a little space, and like you, he elevates him 238 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.879 like that's cash, misses it. They get the board ten 239 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:47.919 seconds left, so they get it Halliburton, and look, Cason 240 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:50.679 Wallace is a dog and he's a good on ball defender, 241 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:55.360 but you want dort On Halliburton in that moment, you 242 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:58.679 just do. And so I wonder because my thought in 243 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:02.039 the moment was Rick saw that Cason picks up Halliburton 244 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:05.720 and likes that matchup because Cason sixty three and Halliburton 245 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:08.320 sixty five, and it's not Dort, it's not Jalen, it 246 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:10.399 is Case and so let's let him do his thing. 247 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:12.440 Is that how you read that final possession as well? 248 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.440 I think it was simply, we can't let this team 249 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:17.639 get its defense. Yep, you know, I think it could 250 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.519 have been anybody on Halliburton, but you're getting single coverage there. 251 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:22.440 They had a time out to burn if things got 252 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:24.759 in trouble, and I think I think Rick Carlile is 253 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.440 just one of those guys he trusted, He especially trusts 254 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.519 Halliburton to to do what he needs to do and 255 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:32.799 get a good shot. And look, you're right like Case 256 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:34.559 wals Is. I mean, I think if he got more 257 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:37.399 menaces here, he's probably all MBA or all defense. Right, 258 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.480 he's probably all defense, second team, Like he is that 259 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:43.720 good defensively. The problem is Halliburton going to his. 260 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:45.759 Right, like that's where his sweet spot is. Right. 261 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:47.879 He's not one of those guys that takes that jumper 262 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:49.799 going to his left. I think Kaylan Cooper does an 263 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:53.080 amazing job covering the Pacers. I think she wrote it 264 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:55.240 something like like a five to one ratio in terms 265 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:57.360 of him going to his right and taking jump shots 266 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:01.320 some ridiculous stat like that that's where he wants to go. 267 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:03.600 He didn't really have to do a step back or 268 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:05.039 anything like. He just kind of he just kind of 269 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:08.320 dribbles into that thing. The question I have for Mark Dagnal, 270 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:11.480 like where is the double? Where is the swarm? Like 271 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:13.759 you can't help from the from the corner there as 272 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:17.159 he's going towards the right I would send anybody else 273 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:20.000 at him. You can, like anyone else on that team, 274 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.080 you get to have the game winning shot. I am 275 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.240 not giving that to Halliburton. Anyone Nee Smith, Turner, Siakam, 276 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:29.399 anyone else gets to have that shot. Halliburton doesn't get 277 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.200 to get a shot off there. And I think I 278 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:33.720 think we saw both with the change in the starting 279 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.559 lineup for literally no reason. I mean, I thought that 280 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:39.240 was a huge mistake to start off by Mark Dagnall, 281 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:41.960 and then some of that coaching down the stretch, especially 282 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:45.000 that final defensive possession. I think you just saw a 283 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:46.679 little bit of that inexperience there. 284 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:49.279 I'm glad you brought up the lineup change. That's where 285 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:50.960 I want to go next. So it was not a 286 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:54.919 good Chet game, and Dagnol decided to stagger Chat and Hardenstein. 287 00:12:55.039 --> 00:13:00.000 Hardenstatt excuse me, and I thought harden Hartenstein, sorry, Hardenstat 288 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.840 was actually better in his seventeen minutes than Chet was 289 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.919 in his twenty four. I don't know if it's Chet's 290 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.679 inability to handle physicality that's always been his thing. I 291 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:10.559 don't know if it's too big for the moment, at 292 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:15.159 least for game one case and starts Isaiah comes off 293 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:17.080 the bench. Do you think we'll see that in game two? 294 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:19.120 Or does he go back to the two bigs together. 295 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:21.639 I don't know why he went away from him in 296 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:25.279 the first place. I mean, Hartenstein can't handle Miles Turner. 297 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.559 No offense to Miles Turner, But like, what's the issue there? 298 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:30.519 I don't get it. 299 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.240 And you got out rebounded by seventeen I think that's 300 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.240 what it was. Seventeen Hartstein wrapped nine rebounds in seventeen minutes. 301 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:40.399 Like they completely abandon what was good for them. 302 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:42.559 I get it. You're like, oh, that team's fast. 303 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:43.919 You know, we want to make sure we have some 304 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:46.360 speed and some more defense on the floor. You're the 305 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:48.519 best defense in the league when Hardenstein's out there too. 306 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:52.000 I just I don't get it like you shouldn't. You're 307 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:56.480 the favorite, You're the most dominant team regular season NBA history, 308 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:59.600 sixty eight wins. No one can touch you in any 309 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.440 of these things. You've got, you know, four different thirty 310 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:05.480 point wins in these in this postseason. Why are you 311 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.879 adjusting to the Indiana Pacers before the series even starts. 312 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:11.000 I just I didn't understand. 313 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.120 That at all. I think you go out there and 314 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.679 by putting Chet at the four and using your regular 315 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:20.080 starting lineup, Yeah, Chet's probably gonna struggle a little bit 316 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:23.200 guarding Siaka, but you've got help, and you've got big help, 317 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:25.480 and they've got a great, you know, big to big 318 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:28.200 thing going on offense too, where you know that's that's 319 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:29.200 gonna be really tough. 320 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:29.960 For Indiana to guard. 321 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:32.480 I just I thought that was a massive mistake on 322 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:35.559 so many levels, on both ends of the floor. And 323 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:38.519 then even in there in the rotations, I couldn't believe 324 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:42.200 how how staggered those rotations were with those two because 325 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.320 I think, you know, against Indiana, you kind of got 326 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:47.039 to be bullied there. I mean, we saw we saw 327 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:49.759 with New York when it was when it was Cad 328 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:52.440 Mitchell Robinson, Like, yes, they lost that series, but when 329 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:54.039 those two were on the floor together it kind of 330 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.360 worked at times. And with Chet and Hardenstein, I think 331 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:59.879 you have to believe that that's going to work against Indiana. 332 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:03.480 So we've already talked about why if you're Indiana, you 333 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:04.679 of course feel good. A. 334 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:06.080 You have the lead. B. 335 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:08.320 You don't believe you're gonna turn it over twenty four 336 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:10.480 times in a game, or certainly nineteen times and a 337 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:13.600 half or whatever. But Indiana shot eighteen of thirty nine 338 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.759 from three forty six percent. Okay, see eleven of thirty 339 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:19.799 from three. That's not who they are anyway. Of the 340 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:22.519 sixteen teams in the playoffs, Indiana or excuse me, okay, 341 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.000 see is thirteenth and three point percentage. But if so, 342 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:28.559 we've talked about why Indiana feels good today, because of 343 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:31.559 course they should tell me, if anything, why you think 344 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:34.960 Oklahoma City should still feel good about their chance to 345 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:37.120 the chances to win the series based off of what 346 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:37.960 happened last night. 347 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:41.879 I mean you you they took Mike Worganoff had had 348 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.440 a stat something like they took fifteen more shots within 349 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:47.559 four feet of the rim, you know, like it. 350 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:48.399 Like, so you've got a. 351 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.159 Lot of shots inside, you shot more free throws, you 352 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.759 committed fewer fouls. You know, you did force a ton 353 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.399 of turnovers, and a lot of those were live ball turnovers. 354 00:15:57.559 --> 00:15:59.600 I think you have to think that you're gonna even 355 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:03.519 if you force ten fewer turnovers next game. I think 356 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:06.440 you have to believe you're going to create more points 357 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:09.879 off those turnovers, because I think the stat I saw 358 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:13.279 going into last night's game is they were scoring like 359 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:17.679 one point three six points per possession on steals during 360 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:20.840 the postseason, which is a ridiculous number. I mean it's 361 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:23.120 like it's like scoring one hundred and thirty six points 362 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:26.000 per one hundred possessions, which would which would be an 363 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:29.399 insane level of offensive efficiency. So, like you have to 364 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:33.080 think that as you're creating live ball turnovers, you are 365 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:36.720 going to convert those. Shay had a good game, Chet 366 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:40.879 was miserable. Jalen Williams shot the ball really poorly. No 367 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:43.320 one else really stepped up outside of lou Dort, you know, 368 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:47.519 hitting those threes. So I think you have to think believe, like, 369 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:49.320 you didn't play that good of a game and you 370 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.159 still should have won. And you missed on essentially a 371 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.679 last second shot. You missed that opportunity. So they can 372 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.039 play a lot better and they and they typically do 373 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.799 play a lot better. And we've seen how they bounce back. 374 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.720 I mean, they lost Game one to Denver at home 375 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:07.160 and then came back and won by like forty three points, 376 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:08.880 so we know that they'll respond. 377 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:10.200 You just have to. 378 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.079 I just do not think that they can keep up 379 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:15.200 with this altered lineup. I think they have to go 380 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:16.279 back to what works for them. 381 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:19.160 As your opinion, I know you said you chose Indiana 382 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.359 to win Game one in Oklahoma City to win the series. 383 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.039 I don't think it's going to be five games, but 384 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:29.640 I still kind of lean towards OKC. As your opinion 385 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:31.400 on how this thing is going to play out changed 386 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:32.839 after Game one. 387 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.640 I'm still sticking with Thunder in six, but I feel, 388 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.279 you know, less confident in it for sure. 389 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:41.680 I mean Indiana. 390 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:45.359 It's not so much of what Indiana showed because I 391 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:47.920 think they did what they do right. They shot well, 392 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:50.720 and they've shot well all postseason. You know, they're almost 393 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:54.640 like fifty forty eighty as a team for the for 394 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:58.480 the postseason during this run, So you know, they did 395 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:00.599 what they're supposed to do on offense outside of the turnovers, 396 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:05.319 which they really rarely do. I'm I'm more uneasy with 397 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:07.799 the changes that Okay, see man, and not to keep like, 398 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:10.640 you know, hammering that point home. But I need to 399 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:12.759 see how they adjust in game two and if they 400 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:16.119 go back to their regular style, because I just I 401 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:18.480