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Speaker 4: So we're doing it now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing it now.
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Speaker 2: Matt Campbell potentially to Arkansas.
Speaker 4: A lot of smoke on it yesterday.
Speaker 5: A lot of the guys that are hosting radio shows
in the Little Rock area, we're throwing out that. Uh like,
there's a lot of smoke around Matt Campbell.
Speaker 4: I think that would be a home run higher. I mean,
if I could find.
Speaker 5: A D plus, it's Matt Campbell. He's been awesome at
Iowa State. I mean we talk about it every off season.
Is this the off season that Matt Campbell finally takes
a job, and I mean maybe it is. I mean,
if I'm Arkansas, I'm doing everything i can to make
this higher.
Speaker 4: I think it'd be awesome there.
Speaker 2: Matt Campbell's the head coach that I was stated, I
just look that up. Yeah, I saw his face. I agree,
Matt Campbell. No, but seriously, he won farm against Historically,
it's something like coach.
Speaker 5: They only had one or two nine win seasons in
their program of history for Campbell got there. He's working
on number four potentially, so I mean he's been incredible.
Speaker 3: There and he's been loyal. I mean he has been
super loyal to Iowa State. I mean he's been enough
for like NFL jobs and he stayed there. So look,
that would be a great one. But yesterday I'm sitting
there and I'm doing off campus, and I'm starting to
think about all the jobs that are open outside of
LSU and Florida, because those have been the loudest. I'm like,
you know, Arkansas has been kind of quiet, and I
started thinking about it's like, wait a minute, there's a
guy that honestly should probably be in the same conversation
as Lane Kiffin for some of these jobs that nobody's
talking about. He's a guy that has Arkansas ties because
he played quarterback from two thousand and two to two
thousand and four there, And that's Rhett Lashley at SMU.
RHTT Lashley's thirty seven and fifteen as a head coach
at SMU, he went seven and six, eleven and three,
eleven and three. In this year, he's eight and three,
but six and one in conference playing. Still has a
chance to make it to the ACC championship game and
if you win that, you go to the playoff. He
went to the playoff last year. He's twenty seven and
four in conference play as a head coach. Like, why
are we not talking about Rhett Lashley for some of
these jobs? And may let's let's take LSU out of it.
If I'm Arkansas and look s mu's got deep pockets,
we've all been to that campus. Island Park hard to SMU,
It'd be very hard to leave SMU. But for any job.
Rhtt lastyear played quarterback at Arkansas. He's from Springdale, Arkansas.
He coached at Arkansas like as soon as he basically
got done after he went to like Springdale, Arkansas high
school coaching for a little bit. I think Gus Malzama's
maybe the head coach at the time, and it goes
to Arkansas's a GA and he's been an offensive coordinator
at Sanford, Arkansas State, Auburn, Yukon, SMU, Miami thirty seven
and fifteen. You've got Arkansas ties. You led a team
to a playoff. If I'm the Razorbacks, I know it
would be hard, but I would try everything I could
to get rhet Lastly.
Speaker 6: I mean the way you laid it out, Yeah, I
mean I don't. I hadn't heard his net at all
brought up anywhere, seen it.
Speaker 5: A little for Florida early early on, he was like
one of the names brought up that outside of that now.
Speaker 6: Right, I mean, I guess I don't know what is
what's his contract position right now, like because there's.
Speaker 2: Good extension that long ago, but like there's.
Speaker 6: Good coaches all over the country that aren't on any
of his list. And I'm assuming.
Speaker 2: Because it's job security, it's contract security. I mean, he
just signed one like within this year. I think it
was a two year extension.
Speaker 3: But again, like that doesn't really that doesn't, but it
doesn't speak in absolutes too.
Speaker 2: I can't leave right through thirty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying it wouldn't be expensive, but if
I'm already super expensive, Yeah, and I got the Walmart pockets.
I got a Walmart logo literally on my field.
Speaker 2: Well, man, you know what, I'm all find a way.
Speaker 6: Let's say the Walmart money probably is tied with the
s m U type money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, But he'd be a tough Really, I'm just saying, like, wait,
did this lastly, fella? He actually play?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So okay, it's so funny when you no. I mean,
would you like, would you be mad? Matt Jones was
a unicorn. J I didn't I wouldn't have a lot
of loyalty. I don't know what about you if you
didn't play, I don't know. I don't know, I wouldn't
wouldn't know.
Speaker 4: He's also from the state of markets All too. I
think that doesn't matter a little bit.
Speaker 5: So like it was probably one of those things where it's, yeah,
I couldn't beat out mass.
Speaker 2: Backing coaches at GA there. Maybe he grew up as
an Arkansas State fan.
Speaker 4: You're gonna leave SMU for Arkansas State?
Speaker 2: No, not leaving I'm not. There's not many places I
would leave SMU.
Speaker 3: For you got a little biased because it's pretty close
to your hometown. Yeah, but I'll back you up because
here comes the chat. Oh you're from Dallas anyway. It's
an incredible area.
Speaker 2: It is an incredible area. It's like all the money you.
Speaker 3: Want, and those people want to be good at football,
real bad. And they were like better at NIL than
anybody before. Nil was the e thing like forty years ago,
so they already have proven that they can do it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'm just saying like, I'm surprised we haven't
heard I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 3: I would assume that his resume is better than some
people's that everybody's trying to get Lane.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's comfortable.
Speaker 3: It's hard because he made the playoff and out of
the a c C. I think o'll miss one obviously,
out of the SEC's. I'm saying like he's got a
great resume. I mean, twenty seven and four in conference play.
Speaker 5: He's been a good coordinator in a bunch of spots too.
Think it's not just SB has failed less than Lane.
Speaker 3: I'll say that, Yeah, probably Lane had at least moments
everywhere he was outside of Oakland, and I don't think
outside of Vince Lombardi, anybody could have won in Oakland
during that time.
Speaker 2: Vince would win. I don't think anybody was. It was bad.
It was bad bad. I mean I played against him
twice a year.
Speaker 3: Is bad Latham really like completely. I mean, anywhere he was,
you can find big moments, big wins, like Tennessee has,
like maybe Georgia even.
Speaker 2: Had some big wins.
Speaker 3: Usc So Oakland, Yeah, yeah, Raiders, Mulligan, I give him mulligan,
anybody that played there or coach there during that time.
That's my big concern with wild Lane. That's what I
wasn't concerned wild Lane is how much.
Speaker 2: He moves is he is? He's an habitual itch scratcher.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, I agree, But he's been an old mess
for six If you get six years out of Lane, Kiff,
I get that.
Speaker 2: I get. That's that's plenty. That that's the major going.
Speaker 6: That's the only thing that the only thing out of anybody,
I don't know, I'm not I would never be worried
about him leaving to another school. I would be worried
about him. Seeing man. One time I failed, right, was
in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, you're saying, like like when Saban left, he
need I need to write that.
Speaker 3: I have to have to. But you're right, like six
years with a like coach is I'll tell you hell
I am. I've always you know, since it started, I
always if Lane's the coach, I've been excited, no question
about it.
Speaker 2: I think he's a great football coach. Uh.
Speaker 3: I get giddy watching that guy set up an offensive drive.
It's it's awesome, it's great, it's poetry emotion. After having
to watch l s U versus Western Kentucky and I'm
not trying to be funny, but the way that we
set offensive football back years, I've never won a link
if in more, after watching that game, that was hard
for me as an offensive player to sit there and
watch and go through and call. It was frustrating to
say the least.
Speaker 2: Jake, you know how much I love watching film. Yeah,
I love it. I love watching film. I can watch
it all day long.
Speaker 3: I can due outside of your family and card breaks.
Speaker 6: I think it's your third most love thing. I love
it and I couldn't. I didn't watch halfway into the
third quarter because like I got the.
Speaker 3: Heb gus yeah, I don't mind saying it was the
toughest game I've ever had to sit there and call
how many pencils you break? I went to penns because
I knew the pencils would be a bad idea, don't
break pins. But like my move, my move was like
put it right here and see how I'm like squeezing
the top, like this sum's going this way, the middle
figures going down. Just continue like just doing that, just
doing that, singers like.
Speaker 2: The camera doesn't even do it justice. You got to
see these things like so mad.
Speaker 4: It looks like he's holding a crayon. It really does ya.
Speaker 7: I didn't even watch the full game. I started playing
Candy Crush and you.
Speaker 2: Know what, and also Candy Crush.
Speaker 3: And I'll give I'll give my guy, Chris Blair. I'm
gonna give our voice to the Tigers a lot of credit.
Like he gives me a lot of freedom, yea, the
kind of say what I see And it was frustrating
and like he was allowing me to kind of dive
into it a little bit.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: And I don't think anybody in that building over there
either would say anything. No, right, like there's no way
they could. Yeah, there's no way they can. And I
got I think all the truths that.
Speaker 3: We went straight passes and not having a running back
carry the ball against the one hundred and eighth ranked
rush defense.
Speaker 2: No, there's nobody to be like, you know, it's a
good playing and like you.
Speaker 6: Can watch said And the reason why I like to
watch film is because you're watching scheme, you're watching individual matchups,
You're you're watching two cord, you're watching a chess match
between two different coordinators try to trick each other, try
to fool each other, try to disguise things, and then
you get to see people kicking each other's ass like
that's like it's it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful sport. And then you watch it.
Speaker 6: This is one of those films you can't watch it
be like, man, we left so much out there because
we didn't leave anything out there, like there wasn't anything
out there to be made, like the the schematically, it's
just it's just it's just flawed.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I do forget shout up to Chris in the
by Ford chat. I forget that we're on camera in
the booth.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I forget that too.
Speaker 2: Are you really were on camera?
Speaker 4: Yeah, inside the booth.
Speaker 3: I have some J Cutler level bad body language because
I forget that the camera's on. So Chris said, yeah, Jake,
we could tell on the YouTube stream.
Speaker 2: Yeah we got we got your brother, don't yet.
Speaker 3: I forget sometimes what game was it that might have
been old miss maybe Vanderbilt man I gave. I gave
a good old like through my pencil like this, you know,
just kind of like tossed it like in frustration, and
then like good like hard open hand slam on the desk.
Speaker 2: Sorry about that YouTube stream, and then.
Speaker 6: Like you're writing your game notes down and it's just
like four letter word after four letter word.
Speaker 5: Were you were you a real a real hand hit
the table mad or were you like a Brian Kelly No,
I was hissed by the way.
Speaker 7: You know, LSU is making it hard for Brian Kelly
to get another job.
Speaker 2: Bro that I did that.
Speaker 7: I just don't realize what he feels like. He's Oh,
I guess.
Speaker 4: From a loser to a weekend winner.
Speaker 7: You winter what because you still went out.
Speaker 3: There and made that about it, which I mean, I'm
not trying to be fun. I wonder which job that's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I just don't even feel like maybe.
Speaker 2: Because right now Penn State all they want.
Speaker 7: The same person, but older.
Speaker 6: He is contractually obligated if he is terminated to do
his due diligence and in good faith try to seek
another job. And they're trying to posture and say, I
can't do that because you're not telling me.
Speaker 2: What is happening. Right LU isn't the wrong. LSU's in
the wrong on this.
Speaker 7: No, for sure, But it's also just lawyers being lawyers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's lawyers being lawyers right now. But he has
to go try to find another job in good faith. Now,
who's gonna what metric are they determining? Like in good faith?
Y're like, he's actually trying to do it, but he's saying,
I can't do that. You want me to go find
another job, can't do it? So you're telling me I'm fired,
but I'm not fired.
Speaker 7: They officially fired him last or yeah, last week on Friday.
Speaker 2: But with cause or just because.
Speaker 7: Just because they don't like him.
Speaker 2: Because they don't like.
Speaker 7: Him because he was losing.
Speaker 4: You were talking about what job he cause?
Speaker 7: To answer your question, I.
Speaker 5: Don't know why this is just this has happened since
the day Brian Kelly got fired at LSU, the fake
firing the Sunday.
Speaker 4: He keeps getting connected to Michigan State.
Speaker 5: Everyone keeps saying in national circles, if Michigan State opens up,
Brian Kelly will take that job. He apparently likes that job.
They are three and eight right now under Jonathan Smith,
not looking like they're gonna go anywhere anytime soon. So
if that job comes open, every single person I've heard
mentioned that job, first name out of their mouth has
been Brian Kelly.
Speaker 6: For whatever reason, did it look like Brian Kelly wanted
to continue coaching, did not.
Speaker 2: Hold key.
Speaker 7: That's what I told like, That's what I said after like,
he's trying to get that full amount because if I
were him, like I would just retire with that full amount.
Speaker 4: Was he sixty four?
Speaker 3: Now, these coaches are built way different than.
Speaker 2: You and I.
Speaker 7: I just don't know if Brian Kelly's built that way though, right, No, No,
to your point, I'm like, so I do radio with
Jimbo every single Tuesday.
Speaker 3: That man has accomplished everything you can accomplish, got a
national championship as an assist and a head coach. He
got seventy something million dollars. When I say that man
wants to coach so bad. Yeah, so now he's not
gonna take any job, but like he wants to coach,
like he's got an itch and he's like, man, I
just like there's things that I know now that I
want to do with some of the things that have
changed in college football. He's like, I promise you, I've
got a plan in place, and like I'm like sitting
there thinking, like, coach, you've done every like you've gotten.
Speaker 2: To the top of the mountain, right, You've.
Speaker 3: Got seventy something Mean, this man loves to be outdoors, hunting, fishing.
There's a lot of people that would just go do
that forever. But he just there's something like he's a coach.
There's something that like his fathers him that he wants
to and Jimbo's like and for Jimbo's resume, Jimbo's one
hundred and twenty eight and forty eight as a head coach.
He was forty five and twenty five at an m Yeah,
twenty seven and twenty one in sec play. Now this
is not for here, so please don't go to Tiger
droppings and Secester's trying to get Jimbo at l shoot
and not trying to get that at all. It wouldn't
be the right move for anybody. But there's a lot
of jobs that are open right now and all these
candidates that people are talking about. Jimbo's resume is ten
times what James Franklin's is as far as actually winning something,
it's just conference championships, national championships.
Speaker 2: It's just so.
Speaker 3: Funny, like people Vinia text running to hire James Franklin
and Jimo was just sitting over there wanting to coach,
and so coaching searches like to me, is like a
lot of them don't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 7: While I understand that, I actually like I can get that.
Brian Kelly was like taking vacations during by week, So
I just, oh, he's built the same as a Jimbo
Fisher or like a James Franklin.
Speaker 3: Came and Jimbo would never be distant cousins to each
other and how they go about their business.
Speaker 5: Well, then think about James Franklin. He went on game
day literally like four days after he was fired. He said,
we're gonna win somewhere else he walked away from forty
million dollars last weekend, like he was owed forty nine million.
Speaker 2: He's no. O nine million because.
Speaker 5: He wanted to bet on himself at Virginia Tech. So
like to y'all's point, yeah, a lot of coaches are
built like that. But when Kelly got that big contract,
he just seemed like he was like, Hey, it's LSU.
The last three coaches here have won national championships. I
got a cushy deal. I can just cruise my way
to win it. I think he wanted to win. Everybody
wants to win. I don't think he did the things
necessary in order to win.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: I might be in the minority here, and y'all can
y'all can tell me if I am, and in the chat,
please tell me if I'm wrong or if y'all disagree
with me. LSU, he's a pay that man his buyout
and get rid of it. Yes, they need you fired
him because he lost the football. Yes, okay, you might
have other things on him. I don't know what you got.
You apparently you think he got something that's not why
you fired him. They might have like all added up
and you put it in the cookie jar and it
like it.
Speaker 2: Was part of it.
Speaker 6: But you you fired him because you know he lost
the football. Pay that man what you signed up for
and be done with it LSU, like Brian Kelly did.
So I'm glad he's gone as a head coach. He
did a lot of cringey things like I did a
lot of things that that came out after the firing
that I'm I'm glad it's over with. Glad that experiment
is done and onto the next next thing. I get it.
But you signed a contract with him. Pay the man
that money, yeah, and move on.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 6: I hate that he gets it, but like it's a
contracted place. I don't try to get around it. I
think it's dumb.
Speaker 7: I'm with you.
Speaker 6: Obviously they think they got something. But like this whole
oh we didn't fire you wasn't official, blah blah blah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, especially in the break, but nobody appreciates optics anymore.
Speaker 4: Just it looks really right.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't care what you try to spend. Then
maybe they do.
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't know. I'm not a not an attorney.
But you fired him because he wasn't good at being
head football coach for LSU. Nothing else is the reason
we find him, because I promise you if he was winning,
they'd overlook anything you do, not anything.
Speaker 2: I take that back, but a lot.
Speaker 3: Whatever, no, whatever it is to get past this and
to move forward, Taylor, I see that clock.
Speaker 2: Brouh like whatever that is. I'm with you, like, get
it done, Like you need to move on.
Speaker 3: You don't need to be like in the headlines today
on ESPN dot com, it's yet again, it's another story
about another turn in this coaching search and how it's
all played out.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, like whatever whatever, moving on looks like
do it? Yeah, I mean, get it done. Already offered
him thirty million. It's like admission of guilt there.
Speaker 3: It's the least like right now, the top headlines ESPN
dot com attorneys LSU, Sawga hindering Kelly Job.
Speaker 2: Can you see just paying the man money?
Speaker 3: Apparently you got it, all right, Taylor, take a break
more OTV when we come back.
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Speaker 2: I just I saw this headline right here on this triday.
I didn't know Joe Burt set the story. Yeah, versus
the Raven and let's go Thanksgiving. Let's go. So he's
a little turkey, watch a little Joe Burrow. I think
that's the late game too, right, Yeah, so.
Speaker 5: It goes Lions, Packers, Cowboys, Chiefs, Ingles, Raven.
Speaker 3: It's pretty good, pretty little slate for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: Records not great, but they're getting Joe Burrow back. Super
fun for us. Yeah, friends and family, friends and family game.
All right.
Speaker 3: I do want to continue some of this coaching search
talk and again like we haven't dived really an l shoe,
Like I just want to look at it from everyone's perspective,
because we talked about you know, Matt Campbell potentially being
a candidate at Arkansas. Wise lastly not a candidate at Arkansas.
We talked about LSU. Just hey, finally moving on whatever
it takes from Brian Kelly, get that over with. So
you know, he can go look for a job and
you can hire your new head coach, and that can
be that for Penn State. Hey, Eli Drinkwood's Brian day Ball.
A couple of names here, maybe Pat Fitzgerald, which would
actually be a great hire book.
Speaker 4: Throughout Pat Fitzgerald.
Speaker 5: Yesterday, Booker McFarlane said, look, this is a guy that's
had a lot of success.
Speaker 4: Here and a lot with a little and that was
his point.
Speaker 5: He's like he had success in the Big Ten at
Northwestern higher Pats Fitzgerald.
Speaker 4: Brian Dable is the name they keep bringing up. That's
the choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that I go that way. I just.
Speaker 3: I want somebody who's been a college head coach, just
personally what I think the game is completely completely different
than when Brian da Ball was an offensive coordinator for
a little bit at Alabama. I think college coaches are
college coaches, NFL coaches or NFL coaches. The fact that
we can kind of own one hand tell you the
ones that have had success in both.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think going to college to the NFL is
much more difficult than the other way around.
Speaker 3: The greatest college, our greatest approach that we've ever seen
in the NFL struggle.
Speaker 2: He's also gone off the deep end.
Speaker 6: So I mean he's at a he's at an adult
cheerleader event, which, okay, I'll see that team that she
is one way?
Speaker 7: Are we talking about Jordan's And.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's like thirty five year old men competing in
a competition.
Speaker 4: The team in front of them were like eighteen.
Speaker 3: H Yeah that so let's not teach their own active
to each their own.
Speaker 7: That's like people playing intramural softball. Like I don't really
have an issue with.
Speaker 3: That, but but like if I'm playing in a real softball,
I don't think Katie's coming to watch.
Speaker 7: That's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and Katie's not fifty years older than it's true.
Speaker 7: That is also true?
Speaker 2: True?
Speaker 7: See that? Also, wait, is this what you were talking about?
The girl the sister in law or Bill Belichick's daughter
in law like went off on her appearance.
Speaker 2: I did not know, Yeah, I did not.
Speaker 7: And she's like saying that she's she's saying that she's
assuming Pablo Tory.
Speaker 2: I did see that. He does talk about it, Belichick thing.
It is weird. He talks about them a lot.
Speaker 7: He talks about them, and just like I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't only clips I ever see because I don't
follow him or anything, but it finds this way to
me is him talking about Belichick.
Speaker 7: What was really weird was when he found her in
the stands at a game and like years ago, like
five years ago or something like that, and it was
like the panoramic of all the fans in the entire
stadium and he found Jordan's It's weird. Wow, it's creepy,
a little bit like a little too obsessed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just, like I said, Pablo calmed down every
time that I see him. That's what he's talking about.
So well, we got to destride her there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Sorry, it's funny. Look when you look at the picture,
these guys are in their mid thirties.
Speaker 2: Mid thirties.
Speaker 3: My guy on the right top right, he's he's with me,
he's my Gundy at least, and then like he's a man,
he's forty.
Speaker 5: The girls in the pink bows look like significantly younger.
Speaker 2: And then they're like some videos, it looks like they
are pretty good. They're doing some moves. Sure they're good
out there.
Speaker 6: If you're not Bill Belichick was there watching his girlfriend anyway.
Speaker 2: Weird like, so Squag I destribed it.
Speaker 6: So what I was trying to say was it, I
think it's easier to go from NFL to college and
college the NFL. Because let's take Bill Belichick aside, that's
an outlier. He was bad in the NFL after in
the last couple of years. And but if you took
a innovative offensive mind or defensive mind in the NFL,
what schematically, what people do in the NFL is ten
times better than what they do in college. The game,
NFL football game is a better product than college football. Now,
I know people love college football, but I'm just saying
from a x's and o's performance standpoint, it's better.
Speaker 2: So I look around.
Speaker 6: The college football landscape and all the offenses being run,
and I see a lot of clapp counts. I see
a lot of fake claps. You don't see that in
the NFL. You see real you see real football. You
see guys get un to the center. You see balanced attacks.
If you took a someone like Ben Johnson or Kyle
Shanahan or Josh McDaniels, if you took them and you
took an offensive mind, let's say, well, that only works
in one spot, right, I got it. You take them
and you put them into a talented team with a
lot of talent, They're going to destroy teams with those
offensive schemes.
Speaker 3: Like college, could a college play this is me just
I don't it's rhetorical. Could a college get pick up
their schemes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, could they pick it up. Yeah. I mean.
Speaker 3: You gotta teach it the right way. And maybe it's
a little bit dumb down, but like.
Speaker 6: I, I go, and I was doing this before before
the show, and at some point during the this show,
I'd like to get to it.
Speaker 2: I was looking up the passing charts of LSU yep.
Speaker 6: And looking at how how few times they throwed over
the middle, and then I was looking at like, who
I think are some of the top offensive mines and
offenses in the NFL and looking at their passing chart,
and I'd like to just kind of go through that
website at some point today and just like click through
different weeks of the year, different teams and LSU different
weeks of the year, and just and show you.
Speaker 2: And that's all because it's it's scheme.
Speaker 6: There's not a lot of there's not a lot of
top tier college teams that are going under center.
Speaker 2: These days, it's even on.
Speaker 6: The one line, even on the one yard line in
the NFL is probably doing it more now than they
were doing it ten years ago, more consistently in the
best offenses. So I'd like to take a look at it,
to look at that passing chart. But I think if
you took someone that's like currently like in their prime
as coaching and had a good offensive mine or defensive mind,
and you put them at the college level and you
implemented that instead of the you know, copy and paste,
clap count type offenses that you see around college football
right now, then I think it'd be a difference.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 6: I was even looking at some of the top offenses
in college, like, there's not a ton of offenses attack
in the middle of the field, which is wild to me.
Speaker 2: In college.
Speaker 6: Maybe that's why you're starting to see a lot of
really good defenses emerge in college football.
Speaker 3: In college to not attack the middle of the field,
it is the Grand Canyon college with how far the hash.
Speaker 6: Linebackers and safeties just don't understand their role well enough
to cover the full middle of the field. And you're like, well,
it's such a tight area. Well, no, it's not No,
you got so many different levels. There's so much more
windows and levels that you can attack as opposed to outside.
Because the ball's in the air less time, it's easier
to throw to the quarterback.
Speaker 2: You can see it better. M hm.
Speaker 3: He know its being really quiet on all this coaching
search front the Auburn Tigers, and they're typically loud.
Speaker 2: Quiet.
Speaker 3: We're pretty loud over here, pretty loud over here.
Speaker 2: In Bouton Rouge. But Auburn's typically loud.
Speaker 3: They were trying to hire Lane Kiffing like two years ago,
and you know, Kiffin was there till the finish line
sat to say it old miss, and that's when they
go with Hugh Freeze.
Speaker 2: Not a lot coming from the planes right now.
Speaker 3: I think it's actually a good thing for them, because,
like I said, they've messed it up when they've been loud.
Speaker 4: M John Summer on to Auburn seems to be the
popular choice right now.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 6: Someone makes a great point, mister Brown Williams in the
chat here to your he's arguing with you, Jake, saying
you need head coaching experience, which I don't believe that
you do. Kirby Smart, Dan Lenning and Ryan Day Clark Lee,
Marcus Frieven, Davis, Swainey, Dillingham. I mean everybody was a
coordinator at some point. Everybody's the first time head coach
at some point. Yeah, those guys were all in college.
That was my point. It wasn't that he didn't have.
My point was like college experience too, Like all of
those guys you just mentioned were college coaches. I just
think at some point it's gonna be it's gonna matter less,
especially as people continue to get paid more.
Speaker 3: And you can definitely be a coordinator in college and
get a college job. My whole point was he hasn't
been a Why Why is that in the college game?
Why does it matter? Why's what matter? I think I
just think they're different. I think there I think there's
pro coaches. I think there's college coaches like we can count,
like I said, on one hand of the guys that
have had success, definitely is but there's there can damb
Pete Carroll, Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer. Yeah, there's there's guys
in the pros that don't want anything to do with
college football.
Speaker 2: Became Jim Harbaugh. Gosh, how do I forget him? Uh? Coaching?
My team. That's that's about it.
Speaker 6: Because a lot of pro coaches do not want to
coach in college. But there's some say it can't be done.
I'm not speaking in absolutes here. Again, there's been examples.
I'm just saying it wouldn't be my first choice for them.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: John Summer All grew up in Huntsville, by the way,
in Alabama. Nice little city, although he played at Kentucky.
So maybe he's waiting on Mark Stoops to get fired.
Speaker 4: Kentucky's a good job if you can get it.
Speaker 2: Is it a long Mark Stoops has been there longest
tenure in NANTYC Bob, I think it's this thing in
tu Lane for as long as he wants. Why not.
Grass isn't always it's actually blue up there.
Speaker 3: It's true, a lot of blue grass. It's a blue
grass all right. We'll take a break when we come back.
OTB mailbag here on.
Speaker 2: You guessed it. OTB off the bench.
Speaker 3: Since it's always a great time to go for dose.
It was a tailgating weekend at home this last week
and last one of the year. Hopefully you took our
advice and did go for dose. You know, a really
good time.
Speaker 2: Though Thanksgiving Thanksgiving, Oh.
Speaker 3: My gosh, you got all the great food, got a
little full belly. Sit down, relax, get on the couch,
turn on one of the three great football games we've
got coming up in the NFL. Ice cooled dose Sekis
makes a utopic.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you if all or anything like
us on Thanksgiving, like the holiday, it's got Christmas meal too.
It would like to bring it. Bust out the fancy
plates and the fancy glasses. So it now you're time
to really church it up a little bit. Gets your
dose Sechies, Pour it in one of them fancy glasses,
make sure it's ice cold, make sure you cut yourself
a fancy line and put it in there a little
Mexican logger. Hey, Thanksgiving holiday week, it's a great time
for a beer. When you do it, make sure it's
do Sechies.
Speaker 1: From the locker room to the airwaves. Gets off the
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the internet.
Speaker 4: What the is the internet?
Speaker 2: Hasha?
Speaker 3: I go to the mailbag. If it's not Lane, go
around the room.
Speaker 2: Who is it? I guess? Who? Do you? Who? Would
you want? Would you want to be the second choice?
We're turnover chaining it right now, Kenny Dillingham, you can
still do it.
Speaker 6: You know it's boring though, uh hip Kelly? Okay, he's available.
Speaker 7: Yeah, really recently available.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, went up as a coordinator of the coach.
Speaker 6: He's just getting paid six million dollars per year to
be an offensive coordinator with the that's wild behavior.
Speaker 7: I like Dillingham, but I think I'm gonna go drink wits.
Speaker 2: Dylanhmm would actually be my choice for sure.
Speaker 7: Yeah, del had just to go different. I'm gonna go drink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean kinda kind of been.
Speaker 5: I'll switch to John sommerl I like John predictable.
Speaker 4: Okay, so is it Tom Herman Tom Hermit answer?
Speaker 5: The answer is Kenny Dillingham. Like for me from like
all of us, Laundra likes dilling Ham.
Speaker 3: I think I think t O TV would fully get
behind Kenny Dillingham.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's not.
Speaker 4: Lame, Yes, I would get behind regardless.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, for sure, can I say that? Yes?
Speaker 6: Taylor like also mimics most of LSU fan base, So
he doesn't like drink, right, but I could get behind
that as well.
Speaker 4: It's not that I don't like drink as a coach,
I just I don't know.
Speaker 6: There's two things that I think most LSU fan bases
one one is to maintain the current defensive staff, which
you would do, and the second run the football, which
he can do.
Speaker 2: That you wanted LSU to be able to do. Yes,
he's kind of he kind of looks like a nerd,
got it.
Speaker 7: But if you're a nerd, then you're smart and then
you're good.
Speaker 3: At My last thing about drink, because I don't feel
like you can get in that today. He is not
what he looks like. I'll just I've had drink probably
more than any coach.
Speaker 2: Ever.
Speaker 5: As far as interviews, that's my thing, Like, you know,
not necessarily as a nerd, and you know him a
lot better than me, just you know when I hear
him and all that you were talking. You laid out
the day after Kelly got fired. You wanted a fiery guy.
You wanted a guy this this, this like to me
just outside looking in, he doesn't portray that. I like
him as a coach. I just don't know well he
would fit. That's that's my only thing.
Speaker 6: I think if the people that are said to be available,
he would be my third probably.
Speaker 7: Peter Burns said that like whenever he asks like people
will tell him like the sneaky, most physical team that
we've played.
Speaker 2: As Missouri, it's on tape. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 7: I feel like if you're a physical team, then you
need a fiery coach and you need somebody who's not
a nerd, And I like, maybe he looks like one,
but do we know that he's a nerd?
Speaker 6: Like I know, but yeah, I heard Peter say that too,
and he was like, I talked to coaches all over
the country and tell me one coach that's a little
bit under the radar, and they're all like it.
Speaker 3: Eli, Yeah, I mean you go talk to Blake Baker
and Jake Olsen and Kevin Peoples.
Speaker 2: He again, those pod guess what he wears glasses?
Speaker 7: Unacceptable? Looks like a nerd. But are we talking about
Kurt Signetti's over here like winning and he google him
he looks like a nerd.
Speaker 2: Too in a season just like my dad.
Speaker 5: The weirdest part about the whole drink whin's glasses thing
like it doesn't really wear them that much.
Speaker 7: I'm not I have glasses on right now. I'm I
can promise you I'm not a nerd.
Speaker 6: It's like this is a I'm not smart coaching search,
is not another teen movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's got paint on her overall, take them all.
He's wearing glasses. I love that movie.
Speaker 3: Man, just get some contacts, uh from our guy the
Rick hashtag mailbag. Has Jake retired the T Bob yoga
sweatshirt since he abandoned us? If so, can I have it?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Rick, you can have the T Bob yoga sweatshirt. It
was your design. I just put it on a sweatshirt. Yeah,
you can absolutely have the sweatshirt. We'll we'll find a
way to get that to you. I don't wear it anymore. No,
T Bob is gone. T Bob Harley newer. Uh make
it easy, justin.
Speaker 2: Hashtag O tob mail bag.
Speaker 3: Why is Anthony Iinsen sponsored by a different hydration company?
Speaker 7: Oh, you didn't get in on that baseball player.
Speaker 2: Familis should not get in the ions and bid anymore.
Speaker 7: I guess who sponsors my high ends in It was
right there.
Speaker 3: Wow, you need to hire a landro you really do.
Speaker 7: I told you are important to me.
Speaker 2: I hire Andre Now you stop. That wasn't no, you
need to hire her. So you don't do that. It's
pretty good. Now if she would have said it, you
would have left. So he would have sponsored About what
trash company is he sponsored by?
Speaker 7: Probably not?
Speaker 3: Probably the one that's says it's a liquid, but it's
a powder.
Speaker 2: We're the one.
Speaker 9: They just sponsored all of the su I don't know
that one. The body armor no power. Oh yeah, body
armor power though.
Speaker 6: I guess they they're they're both owned back Coke, okay,
and they're both not very not good.
Speaker 3: Enough hashtag go to the mail bag favorite Thanksgiving side.
Speaker 4: I mean, are we considering everything else side of turkey?
Speaker 2: Of said? Yeah? Uh not dressing corn bad dressing certainly
be a side, So that's great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, green bean casserole for me, Yeah, it's a good one.
Mind's either the dressing, the mashed potatoes, or the green
bean casserole.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Mines between green bean casserole and mashed potato.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mines between sweet potata castrole.
Speaker 4: I do love it, sweet potato casserole, green bean.
Speaker 6: I guess gravy is not considered a side. It's more
of like accessory. There is a there's a river of
gravy that it connects all of my plate, all of
my you like address, it connects everything, and I just don't.
I don't think I even rather eat one thing. A
drip drop is who Anthony?
Speaker 7: I never heard of him.
Speaker 2: Again, never heard of her? I have Wow, you're hurt.
I'll just say wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hold the mayo this is the most Caucasian sides
I've ever heard.
Speaker 7: You are Caucasians.
Speaker 5: I mean those are Thanksgiving suns, back and cheese. Another one,
I mean these are things are giving.
Speaker 2: This is what the Pilgrims ate.
Speaker 4: We didn't choose them. We you see them every year.
Speaker 2: H What else is?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: I was trying to rack my brain? How do we
have we unlike this thing?
Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 1: Tigers turn talkers. This is off the bench, all right.
Speaker 2: Welcome back in OTB.
Speaker 3: When do we we think we'll have a decision on
the lane train. We think Friday night, Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 2: Saturday night. Probably leak, That's what I'm saying, like it
always does.
Speaker 7: But oh well, did y'all see yesterday they took it
down immediately, but the revel lsu revelly accidentally published an
article saying that late they probably had it out there ready,
just they accidentally published it.
Speaker 5: I know that would make me freak out, and their
past coaching surges hour before kickoff, lank Kvanel issue gets announced.
Speaker 7: Well, I thought on the thing, Keith Carter said Saturday,
he did for sure.
Speaker 4: I feel like Saturday for kickoff?
Speaker 2: Question for it hypothetical.
Speaker 6: What if he decides, you know what, I'm not ready
to decide on Saturday. And he said, you know what,
I'm going to keep coaching this team because I'm not
ready to make a decision.
Speaker 2: What does ole Miss do that calls their bluff? I
don't think they do.
Speaker 3: Anything they let them coach.
Speaker 2: Do they have the I don't think they do. I
don't think they I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: But detrimental.
Speaker 7: But there's been like talks of like the players not
being happy with him at all.
Speaker 3: And there's also like Trinidad Chambliss coming out and saying like, no,
we're going right forward, let's go ride.
Speaker 6: He made a really good point yesterday Lane did saying like, guys,
I don't think you'll realize how like the players don't
care as much about this as like you think they
do this day age because everybody's kind of looking at
professional football, everyone's kind of looking out for themselves, like
they're trying to get the best deal. They understand the
business side of things, like it's not the same and
we all know that we all missed, like the old
days of college. It's not the same. It's not going back.
See you can get behind it, guys. It's a business.
It's professional football.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, way way, way, way way more than it
ever has been before.
Speaker 2: So we talk about that, talk about a lot of things.
We got another hour left, Oh TB off the bench.