1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:05,599 Speaker 1: What's going on? 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. It 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,080 is heard live every day from noon to three on 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,839 WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you want exclusive content 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,160 like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, my daily 6 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:19,480 show prep with all the links, become a patron, go 7 00:00:19,559 --> 00:00:23,399 to thepeakclendarshow dot com. Make sure you hit the subscribe button. 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,320 Get every episode for free right to your smartphone or tablet. 9 00:00:26,359 --> 00:00:29,239 And again, thank you so much for your support. I 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,119 want to welcome to the program Andrew Dunn. And he 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,479 is an op ed contributor over at the Charlotte Observer. 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,039 He's also the publisher of long Leaf Politics. He joins 13 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:41,320 us every Tuesday at noon. Andrew, you doing all right, sir? 14 00:00:42,799 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 3: I am good to be with you. And hey, if 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:50,000 you're looking for investors on in Greenland, I'm in okay. 16 00:00:50,039 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: Hey, Well, I suspect your contribution might be equivalent to mine, 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,200 which is like twenty dollars. 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: How much can I buy Greenland for you? Yeah? What 19 00:00:57,359 --> 00:00:58,439 does twenty dollars get me? 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,159 Speaker 2: All right? And so let's talk about an effort that's 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,519 up in Raleigh. But it's also I've heard this idea 22 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:10,400 kicked around at the national level as well. And you 23 00:01:10,439 --> 00:01:12,760 wrote about this for your piece at the Charlotte Observer 24 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,959 about well, what the left is calling a power grab, 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,680 but it doesn't need to be a partisan thing like 26 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:21,239 this Rains Act. 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,719 Speaker 1: R ei NS. 28 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: The Rains Act, you say, it's actually it's not really 29 00:01:28,079 --> 00:01:31,200 a power grab. It's Republicans doing the right thing. 30 00:01:33,239 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. So the Rains Act is the 31 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,120 brainchild of Representative Alan Chester out in Nash County, and 32 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:42,239 he's a real smart guy. Had the chance to talk 33 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,359 to him not too long ago. But basically, it wants 34 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,560 to right size the relationship between the executive branch and 35 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:52,920 the legislative branch on important things that are coming out. 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,079 So all of the executive branch positions, that's the governor, 37 00:01:56,079 --> 00:02:00,120 but it's also Secretary of State, the treasurer, etc. That 38 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:02,239 are all the way on down the list, they all 39 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:08,360 have the ability to implement regulations that execute the laws 40 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,599 that the General Assembly passes. And so what the Rains 41 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,759 Act does is basically says, hey, if you're gonna if 42 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,479 you want to implement a regulation that's going to have 43 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,960 an impact of more than a million dollars, the General 44 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,800 Assembly wants to take a look at it first and 45 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,759 sign off on that. Basically, what it's trying to do 46 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:32,159 is prevent the executive branch from essentially passing laws under 47 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:35,919 the guise of legislation. And we're really not talking about 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,680 a whole lot of regulations that would fit that criteria, 49 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,000 So it's really only the big ticket ones we're talking 50 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,240 you know, I've seen some estimates as high as sixty 51 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,159 a year, but the updated numbers I'm getting is it's 52 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:52,919 probably only going to be like ten to fifteen per year. 53 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,599 So we're not talking about a huge a huge change 54 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,280 in process, but for stuff that's going to really make 55 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:02,800 an impact on people and businesses in North Carolina. The 56 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:06,120 General Assembly just wants to add some accountability. 57 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,439 Speaker 1: To that is. 58 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: So it doesn't sound like this is as big of 59 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,599 a problem at the state level as it is at 60 00:03:10,719 --> 00:03:14,360 the national level, where you've got these you know, unelected 61 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:19,400 bureaucrats that are empowered probably through poorly constructed law or 62 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:24,680 by abuse, that they start making rules that are beyond 63 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,439 the scope of what Congress actually wanted. 64 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,439 Speaker 3: That's exactly right, not as big a problem at the 65 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:35,199 state level, but still you know, worth keeping an eye on. 66 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:39,199 I'm definitely more excited about the prospect of something like 67 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,360 this passing at the federal level. And some of it 68 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,599 is because the executive branch agencies at the federal level 69 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,639 have gotten you know, two bowl in what they're trying 70 00:03:48,639 --> 00:03:50,599 to do. But some of it is the fault of 71 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:56,120 Congress and previous Congresses actually delegating their authority to the 72 00:03:56,159 --> 00:03:58,400 executive branch. I mean, there was there was an era 73 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,599 when so many laws were put together. We're basically said, 74 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,240 all right, executive branch, you figure this out, when really 75 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,599 it should have been the Congress sitting those guidelines. 76 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:11,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a lot of incentive for members of 77 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:17,199 Congress to offload essentially the legislative responsibilities to you know, 78 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,879 faceless bureaucrats. It this way, they don't they're not harmed, 79 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,439 and they get to rail against, you know, electorally, they're 80 00:04:23,439 --> 00:04:25,199 not harmed, and then they get to rail against the 81 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,920 excesses that those bureaucrats undertake. And so I suspect that 82 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,720 that would be a harder lift up there than it 83 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,079 might be here. What's your sense on its prospects in 84 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,680 Raleigh winning approval. 85 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: I think they're very good. I think that this bill 86 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:46,279 will pass and probably the I mean I could see 87 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,480 Governor Stein signing it or letting it go into law 88 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,600 without his signature. I don't think this will end up 89 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,079 being as controversial as. 90 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:55,519 Speaker 4: He might think. 91 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you say it's that this is a good 92 00:04:59,079 --> 00:05:01,879 course of action, that this is trying to You said 93 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:04,000 this is a necessary course correction. 94 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 4: Why Yeah, So. 95 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:09,399 Speaker 3: I mean a lot of it has to do, you know, 96 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:12,279 with the interplay the federal and the state government. You know, 97 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,560 like we just talked about, it's not as big a 98 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:18,759 deal at the state level as it is at the federal. However, 99 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:22,839 I mean, there still are ten to fifteen regulations each 100 00:05:22,959 --> 00:05:26,279 year that are going to have a million dollars or 101 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:30,120 more of an impact on businesses or families in North Carolina. 102 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:33,759 So it's worth having that accountability there. I mean, I 103 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,079 can't say that I'm super familiar with all the regulations 104 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,319 that come out. It's not a very transparent process. So 105 00:05:40,399 --> 00:05:41,800 this is going to put it in front of a 106 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,639 general Assembly where there's going to be some open debate. 107 00:05:45,399 --> 00:05:48,839 There's going to be accountability. You can call your lawmaker 108 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,839 to talk about how you would be impacted by this regulation. 109 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,560 I doubt very many people are calling any regulators in 110 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:02,279 the executive branch to talk about regulations if they even 111 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,639 know they're coming down the line. 112 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: So you don't consider this to be a power grab 113 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:10,639 by the Republican legislature, not at all. 114 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 3: I mean, I think this is what the proper the 115 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:17,319 pupper role that the legislature should take in this process. 116 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me shift gears, because now is the time 117 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:25,759 I actually saw somebody wondering whether Roy Cooper was actually 118 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:28,959 getting into the US Senate race because it's only like 119 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:34,279 three hundred something days away. So you have some advice 120 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:38,360 over on your website, long Leaf Politics long leafpol dot 121 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:43,319 com for people that are thinking about running for office. 122 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,879 And you, I guess you and I don't know who 123 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,399 is Ian Richardson that you've built this campaign. 124 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:49,879 Speaker 1: Starter kit with. 125 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a real smart guys, lives in the area. 126 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:57,399 We work together on the Dan Forest campaign. He was 127 00:06:57,439 --> 00:07:01,120 the deputy campaign manager, so he's got a lot of 128 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,240 experience on the ground running campaigns. And he and I 129 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:06,720 we both have heard from a lot of folks over 130 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:08,759 the years. You know, people will call up and say, Hey, 131 00:07:08,759 --> 00:07:11,519 I'm thinking I'm running for this seed or that seed. 132 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,160 What do you think? Not really knowing whether they have 133 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:16,959 a good shot at it, and then you know how 134 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:20,279 to actually get started and people can figure it out. 135 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:22,480 And that's mostly what people do now, but it takes 136 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,639 a lot of time, and people make a lot of mistakes, 137 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,720 waste a lot of time, and waste a lot of money. 138 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:30,000 So we saw an opportunity to put together a low 139 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,000 cost product that helps people answer the question, hey, is 140 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,759 this a good idea, but then also have the option 141 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:39,399 to get off the ground quickly and cheaply, without without 142 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:41,000 making all the mistakes that we've seen. 143 00:07:41,399 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: Are you is this kit primarily for you know, like 144 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,600 local races, municipal, county or you or like is it 145 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:51,839 for any level all the way up to national? 146 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:56,399 Speaker 3: It's primarily for the down ballot races. You know, at 147 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:58,600 the top of the ticket type races you know they're 148 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:01,240 going to hire a general concert because they know they're 149 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:04,560 going to have the fundraising bear to actually afford that. 150 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,319 What we're primarily focused on is lower levels, you know, 151 00:08:08,399 --> 00:08:13,120 general assembly, county commissioner, city council, stuff like that. You know, 152 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,439 low dollar races where they're not you know, people aren't 153 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,199 going to be able to afford you know, a high 154 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,920 price consultant, but still just want a little. 155 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 5: Bit of help. 156 00:08:21,319 --> 00:08:23,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you say that this is a way to 157 00:08:23,439 --> 00:08:26,680 help avoid traps that sink new campaigns. Do you like, 158 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,199 can you think of an example, like of a mistake 159 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:33,600 that most of these local candidates make when they first 160 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,679 start their campaigns. 161 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 162 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot talk all day about it, 163 00:08:40,759 --> 00:08:43,840 but I mean the first one is on the front end, 164 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,600 picking where you know what seat to run for. You know, 165 00:08:47,639 --> 00:08:52,799 some people really feel passionate about one particular seat, but 166 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,039 they don't realize that so much of politics as a 167 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,080 timing game. You don't really want to run again in 168 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:03,679 a popular incumbent at the you know, the peak of 169 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:07,279 their power, so you know, maybe this is the right 170 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,600 time to sit out a cycle or two and do 171 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,039 some other things, and we can help guide people in 172 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,960 that way. But then the other one is setting up 173 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,519 an initial campaign budget, understanding how much money that you're 174 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,000 gonna need to raise to be successful in this race, 175 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:24,639 and what types of things to spend money on. You know, 176 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,320 you'll see people will you know, maybe they'll spend money 177 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,600 setting up a texting platform, when really they you know, 178 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:34,200 that's a waste of money that they'll get better leverage 179 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:35,399 out of doing something else. 180 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: What's your opinion on yard signs. 181 00:09:40,759 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: You know it may be unpopular, but I still think 182 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,799 that yard signs done right can have a big impact. Actually. 183 00:09:47,799 --> 00:09:51,039 I think of you know, Tark Pakari when he was 184 00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:55,159 first running for city council. His yard signs were were 185 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,240 well done and got his name out there, and that's 186 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,360 how I first came across the name there. You know, 187 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,080 if you're just putting your yard sign where everybody else 188 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,320 has theirs, then it's like one out of a million. 189 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,000 Then it might not be worthwhile. But if you do 190 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,440 it right, it can work. 191 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 192 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,279 Speaker 2: Tim Moore, now, Congressman Tim Moore when he was speaker, 193 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,720 I asked him once about that some event, and he said, well, 194 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:23,960 if I see the yard signs in private homes yards 195 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:28,320 versus public rideaways, like, that's a better indication of public 196 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,840 sentiment when you see lots of people putting the yard 197 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:33,879 signs on their own property versus just sticking them at 198 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:36,240 an intersection, because that's some campaign worker. 199 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: That did that exactly. 200 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:38,799 Speaker 5: Yeah. 201 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 4: Uh. 202 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:42,919 Speaker 2: Andrew Dunn, publisher of long Leaf Politics, that's long leafpol 203 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,399 dot com, also a contributing columnist over at the Charlotte Observer. 204 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:47,919 Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, Andrew, I appreciate it. 205 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 3: Man, thank you. 206 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,759 Speaker 2: Here's a great idea. 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I've always 234 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:24,120 just looked at him as as just a total waste 235 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:27,440 because most of them, I don't know what percentage, but 236 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:30,919 most of them say, you know, Joe Blow for US 237 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,000 Senate on a red, white and blue background. That tells 238 00:12:36,039 --> 00:12:37,399 me absolutely nothing. 239 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: And if you see it everywhere, you if you see 240 00:12:42,159 --> 00:12:46,320 it everywhere, though, wouldn't that indicate a level of support 241 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,519 for Joe Blow. 242 00:12:51,039 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 5: No, I would say, you know, you've got more rabid uh, 243 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,080 you know, devoted followers. I don't think. I don't think 244 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,559 there's any correlation. I think it would be our less 245 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,039 than point series five. 246 00:13:08,279 --> 00:13:10,799 Speaker 2: Well, but that's the whole But that's the whole point 247 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,879 of the signs on private property. We're talking because, as 248 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:17,600 I went over with Andrew Dunn, was the this was 249 00:13:17,639 --> 00:13:22,200 the the strategy or the thinking behind the yard signs 250 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,519 and how they can be helpful in measuring public sentiment. 251 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,639 From the former Speaker of the House now Congressman Tim Moore, 252 00:13:30,879 --> 00:13:32,600 He's pointed out if you see them just you know, 253 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:35,080 along the side of the road or at an intersection 254 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,240 on the public right of way, that's just campaign workers. 255 00:13:38,279 --> 00:13:41,919 That doesn't indicate people's support. But if you see yard 256 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,720 signs in people's front yards on their own, that means 257 00:13:45,759 --> 00:13:48,440 they had to go and request the sign, or they 258 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,720 had to agree to get the sign. And so the 259 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:53,480 more of those that you see, like you drive down 260 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:55,759 the road and if you know eighty percent of the 261 00:13:55,799 --> 00:13:59,360 homes have a yard sign for this one candidate, then 262 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,440 that would indicate a certain level of support among a 263 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,000 lot of people. 264 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 5: Right right. But I would counter that by saying, couldn't 265 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,360 you almost a priority predict what I live in a 266 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,000 place called Bibera, Glenn. Yeah, if you're familiar with it, 267 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,440 but I would expect to see a lot of you know, 268 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:22,960 Republican size. 269 00:14:23,799 --> 00:14:27,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, so during a Republican primary, for example, if you 270 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,240 saw one candidate's name more than another. You would think, 271 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:35,080 oh this, this candidate may have more support among those 272 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,679 Republican primary voters. 273 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,159 Speaker 5: Right, yeah, well those people are. 274 00:14:40,879 --> 00:14:42,919 Speaker 1: Well, I mean you said, uh. 275 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: The point here is that it is represent it can 276 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:49,279 be I should say, it can be representative of a 277 00:14:49,399 --> 00:14:52,720 level of support if you're if you see a lot 278 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,960 of the signs, right, and that's all that's all it is. Now, 279 00:14:57,159 --> 00:14:59,720 it's not going to be it's obviously not a campaign platform. 280 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:03,200 It's all about just getting name I D name recognitions. 281 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,200 So when you are thinking about voting, you want to 282 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,519 research your candidates, and you pull up your ballot, you're 283 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:11,440 going to see that guy's name and you are going 284 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:14,720 to remember, oh, I saw Joe Blow for Senate. 285 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: I saw that guy signs all over my neighborhood. 286 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 5: So like I can't remember where I put my key 287 00:15:19,799 --> 00:15:22,080 ten seconds age, I remember these guys. 288 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: There are meds for that. Mark you. 289 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:29,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, we need to talk about pharmaceuticals one day. I'd 290 00:15:29,639 --> 00:15:30,720 love to talk to you about that. 291 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Mark, I appreciate the call, man, thank you. 292 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:34,679 Speaker 1: So yeah all right? 293 00:15:34,799 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Also if done well right, like you could use 294 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,200 your if you have a name that that looks good 295 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:48,159 With a particular slogan on a sign, you can create 296 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:51,159 viral moments, or you can get a lot of what 297 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,320 they call earned media coverage, where you do something and 298 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,600 it earns you media earned media, and so that then 299 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,080 means you're getting media covering pro bono. 300 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: You don't have to pay for it at all. 301 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: Right, If you do signs well and it creates some 302 00:16:06,879 --> 00:16:11,000 sort of a buzz, then you know people have done 303 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,799 this with Billboard campaigns and the like, you know, guerrilla 304 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:15,240 marketing efforts. 305 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: That kind of stuff. 306 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: So I think it's just it's all and how it's done, 307 00:16:18,559 --> 00:16:21,039 you know, all right, So spring is here a time 308 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,919 of renewal and celebrations. 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Happy April Fools Day to 326 00:17:24,519 --> 00:17:26,799 all who celebrate, and if you are one who celebrates, 327 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,000 I loathe you. 328 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: Now I'm kidding. 329 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 2: It's just a joke. Happy April Fools. No, I don't 330 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,880 do the I don't do the practical jokes and all 331 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,920 of that. I don't mainly because I'm not good at it, 332 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:46,640 nor do I care to be good at it. 333 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: Because you know then what it like. I've developed this skill. 334 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: I've taken time away from my busy, busy schedule to 335 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:57,519 try to hone this craft that I only could use 336 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:01,359 one day a year. Eh, the juice ain't worth the 337 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:07,279 squeeze on that form me. So that's why I look, 338 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,920 that's why I put the rim shots into the program, 339 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,079 so you know when I'm joking, which, by the way, 340 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,119 this is a bit of a delayed rim shot. I 341 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,000 did not actually go to Greenland. 342 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:19,839 Speaker 1: So there you go. 343 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:22,839 Speaker 2: All right, that was just a joke, and that's different 344 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,200 than practical jokes for April fools. There is a line there, Okay, anyway, 345 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:35,200 could could it be that we could see the end 346 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:41,240 of the can the certificate of needs? Oh well, I 347 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,920 guess it would be certificates of need. Yeah, it's like 348 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:51,079 attorneys general right. North Carolina has some really stupid law 349 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:59,200 called the Certificate of Need, and state lawmakers have now 350 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:08,160 filed a bill to dismantle this really stupid law. According 351 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,960 to Jeff Morover at the Carolina Journal dot com, it 352 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,279 takes aim at the healthcare regulatory regime, which restricts the 353 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:21,720 establishment or expansion of healthcare facilities and services in the state. 354 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,880 I have talked about the con the certificate of need 355 00:19:25,279 --> 00:19:31,519 law for years because it's really stupid. The law, a 356 00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:36,359 whole raft of them, requires healthcare providers to secure what 357 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:43,160 they call a certificate of need from the government before 358 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,160 you can build a new facility, or if you want 359 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,400 to add hospital beds or you want to buy major 360 00:19:50,519 --> 00:19:57,440 medical equipment, think about how stupid that law is. Hey, 361 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:00,799 I would like to add some beds to this hospital 362 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,839 because you know, we have a lot of patients. We're 363 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,680 running a hospital. We've realized we need some additional beds, 364 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:10,119 so we would like to just you know, buy some 365 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,880 additional beds and set them up. 366 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: Please please, Raleigh, Please can I have some extra beds? 367 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:19,559 Or hm? 368 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:22,079 Speaker 2: You know what, These MRI machines seem to be in 369 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,559 high demand. We could be doing a lot of MRIs 370 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:26,960 for people, or cat scans and such. You know when 371 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,960 you want to bring your cat in and have it scan. 372 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:31,319 And so we're thinking, hey, you know what, let's add 373 00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:32,839 a couple of more of these machines. 374 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: Please Raleigh, please maybe add some more machines like this. 375 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: Is so stupid. If the hospital wants to invest or 376 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,359 a facility, wants to invest in some scanner, some machinery, 377 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,759 some equipment, they would know better than gov CO whether 378 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,160 or not they actually will get a return on that investment. 379 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,240 And if they don't, then they go out of business. 380 00:20:58,079 --> 00:21:00,559 They maybe have to sell the machine. Here's the thing 381 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:04,920 at some point, those machines get paid off, right, at 382 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,000 some point, it's just almost pure profit. At that point, 383 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,720 once the machine is paid off and you're still using 384 00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:14,119 it after a couple of years, you're just making money 385 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,559 hand over fist. And then you can buy your next machine, 386 00:21:16,599 --> 00:21:18,680 and then you could do twice as much. And at 387 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,119 some point, yes, you're going to say, Okay, we have 388 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:26,279 enough machines. The sweet spot was three machines, and that's 389 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,839 the number that we're looking at because the supply is 390 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,400 meeting the demand and that's what we wanted. 391 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:35,559 Speaker 1: Or it maybe you're the only. 392 00:21:35,759 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: Cat scan in operation in town and I see that 393 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,240 you're the only one, and you have restricted the use 394 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,799 with only one cat scan machine, and so I'm like, 395 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,839 you know what, I feel like I could offer more 396 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,200 cat scans for this demand that is being unmet by 397 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,039 the current supply that you have one machine. So I 398 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,920 go out and I buy two machines and now I'm 399 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:02,799 doing cat scans and I'm taking business away from you. 400 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: And who benefits you? Right? 401 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 2: The public does because now you are getting more access 402 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:19,359 and more machines means competition between you and me, because 403 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,440 you don't want to lose your client base. So you're 404 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,599 gonna now start offering maybe a cheaper price. I don't 405 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:27,480 have to pay for two machines. I've had this one 406 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:29,480 machine for a while. It's paid off, So I'm gonna 407 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,920 I'm gonna cut the price on that. Now I'm gonna 408 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,400 have to turn around and cut the price. And so 409 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,359 now we are going to what drive down the price 410 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,680 for the customer. Stop me if you've heard this model before. 411 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,240 This is the free market. This is the free market. 412 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,720 You are the free market. I am the free market. 413 00:22:50,759 --> 00:22:54,119 I say it all the time. We are the free market. 414 00:22:54,599 --> 00:22:58,720 Us making all of these decisions, the businesses making their decisions, 415 00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:02,160 millions and millions of decision points every single second of 416 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,880 every single day. There's no way that govc UP in 417 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,759 Raleigh is going to be able to know what all 418 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:12,359 of those decision points are at any given moment. It's impossible. 419 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,000 It is the fatal conceit of central planners that they 420 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:22,839 can somehow know this information even with AI. Yes, all right, 421 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,680 let me go over here and talk to Andy. Hello, Andy, 422 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,440 welcome to the program. 423 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:27,799 Speaker 4: Hey how are you doing today? 424 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:28,799 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm good. What's up? 425 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,079 Speaker 4: Good? So I was shocked when you told when you 426 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,200 said that they were having to ask to get in 427 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,720 another piece of equipment because it makes sense, Because it 428 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:42,839 doesn't make sense, but it makes sense now to me. 429 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,599 About an experience I had last March. I had a 430 00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:51,119 stroke and I was in Carolins Medical Center for four 431 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,519 days and it took about two and a half days 432 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:58,240 to get an MRI while I was having stroke symptoms. 433 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,079 And every time I would ask, what are we waiting on? Well, 434 00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:03,960 you're in line. There's a lot of people waiting in 435 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,279 front of you. Yeah, why would they not have another 436 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,519 RI machine? They've got all these people waiting to get 437 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:13,839 in our eyes? It doesn't make. 438 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:14,279 Speaker 1: Sense, right. 439 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:17,279 Speaker 2: The market is sending them a signal that they cannot 440 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:20,240 now respond to or won't respond to. But they cannot 441 00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:23,200 respond to it because they probably would have to go 442 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,960 through and get a certificate of need from the government. 443 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,519 Speaker 4: That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. 444 00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: Isn't it. 445 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,039 Speaker 2: That's it's the stupidest law, and we have it in 446 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:33,880 this state and you're experiencing it. 447 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: And by the way, you're doing all right from the 448 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:36,640 from the stroke. 449 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,759 Speaker 4: You look good, Thank the Lord. 450 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, good good. Yeah. I've heard the same. 451 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 4: Crazy is why are there why is there not somebody saying, hey, 452 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:49,839 there's got to be people who have died waiting to 453 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,079 get these these tests done. 454 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: I'm sure, yeah, I mean the numbers would indicate, i mean, 455 00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:59,640 just basic laws of probability, right, would indicate that that 456 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,480 would be the case. Sure, Yeah, Andy, I appreciate Yeah, man, 457 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,839 I appreciate the call. Thank you for the UH, for 458 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,880 the personal info the story there, because I've heard the 459 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,240 same from a friend up in Anshville. She was in 460 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,000 the hospital for over a week because they had I 461 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,200 think she said, they had two MRI machines and one 462 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,200 of them broke down, and so everybody was in line 463 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,799 for this one machine. 464 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: And she's in the hospital. 465 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,519 Speaker 2: I mean, think about the cost now to the system 466 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,680 where you've got somebody who's in the hospital waiting for 467 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,799 an MRI before they can be discharged, and they can't 468 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,039 get them through the process because you have a line 469 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:39,599 because the one your one other backup machine is now 470 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:40,720 has gone down. 471 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,279 Speaker 1: It's just it. 472 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 2: It is a very stupid law. And so kudos to 473 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:53,960 Senator Benon Sorry, the UH representative from Johnston, the Senator 474 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,680 from Johnston County, North Carolina, for introducing this legislation to 475 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,160 repeal North Carolina's con law. 476 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,039 Speaker 1: It's about time, all right. 477 00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 2: If you're listening to this show, you know I try 478 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,640 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 479 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,759 I know you do too. And you've probably heard me 480 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:15,039 say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because 481 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,720 it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've 482 00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:21,079 been so impressed with ground News. 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Subscribe through that 495 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,559 link and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. I 496 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,000 use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. 497 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,960 Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it 498 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,160 also supports ground News as they make the media landscape 499 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,039 more transparent. All right, back to the Carolina Journal story 500 00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:19,559 about the con law potentially being repealed. There's another aspect 501 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:22,759 to this. Jeff Moore, writing at Carolina Journal dot com, 502 00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:26,960 The process of securing a certificate of need takes time 503 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,240 and money. Competitors can tie up con decisions in lengthy 504 00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:36,160 court battles. Right, So you want to get an MRI 505 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,400 machine at your facility, I'm your competitor, So I start 506 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,720 filing all sorts of temporary restraining orders or injunctions or 507 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,319 gum up the works and stuff so I can block 508 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,160 you from competing with me because maybe I've got an 509 00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:55,119 MRI machine I want people. 510 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: To go to. So that's one way that they use 511 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,720 these cons Another. 512 00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,839 Speaker 2: Is that I will get the certificate of need so 513 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,880 you can't because part of this it's the stupidest thing. 514 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,640 I feel like I'm saying that a lot, but it's 515 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,319 so true. It's such a stupid law. I've told this 516 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:17,759 story before, but like it is the quintessential example of it. 517 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,599 They were wanting to open up on the county line 518 00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:24,440 between I think Henderson County and Bunkham County years ago, 519 00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:26,839 it's like ten years ago, and one of the I 520 00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:29,319 think it was Party Health, and they wanted to open 521 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:36,759 up a colonoscopy center. Okay, they wanted to open up 522 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:39,960 this center and the other hospital I think it was 523 00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:45,839 mission they objected, They said, we don't need it. And 524 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,759 so then you end up with like some government regulators 525 00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:53,880 doing market analysis to determine whether or not this service 526 00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:57,680 is actually needed or not in the market based on 527 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,759 the number of people and our market analys indicating, look, 528 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,279 you're not. 529 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,319 Speaker 1: Putting any money up. 530 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't trust your market analysis, gov CO, because 531 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,440 you have no skin in this game. You know who 532 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,079 does I mean besides the patients, the party guys, the 533 00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,559 ones who were wanting to open the clinic. They're putting 534 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:17,079 the money up. They're the ones that are going to 535 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:20,400 build a facility, staff it, put the equipment in there. 536 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,839 And if they did a market analysis that turned out 537 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,279 to be flawed, they lose their money. Their skin is 538 00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:30,799 in the game, right, their money's on the table, not 539 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,720 gov cos. And and so they held this hearing. They 540 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,759 held a public hearing, and they had members of the 541 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,279 community showing up, and some woman gets up there and 542 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:43,960 she starts saying, I don't think that this is necessary. 543 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,519 She offered no credentials, like just some rando from down 544 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:52,720 the block who's like, I think we don't need anymore 545 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:58,359 Colonoscobe centers. Your opinion does not matter. I'm sorry to 546 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,839 be the bearer of this reality, but you and your 547 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,039 level of expertise are irrelevant in this situation. 548 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,039 Speaker 1: You don't know what you're talking about. 549 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: So no, even though it's a public hearing, and maybe 550 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,079 this is the only opportunity you had to leave the 551 00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:15,920 house this week and talk to people, but your opinion 552 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,240 doesn't matter. You don't know what you're talking about. I 553 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:21,960 would never get up there and tell some industry you 554 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,079 shouldn't open your facility here because we don't need it. 555 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:31,920 And I'm basing this on no information whatsoever. Critics point 556 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,440 to the CON laws as a contributing factor in North 557 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,480 Carolina's unenviable position as the highest cost health care market 558 00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:43,279 in the nation, representing a purely bureaucratic barrier that propels 559 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:50,319 rising healthcare costs and limits accessibility. While more piecemeal reforms 560 00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:54,119 of CON regulations have been enacted and proposed over the years. 561 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,440 Senate Bill three p seventy and a companion piece over 562 00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:00,240 in the House House Bill four to fifty five. If 563 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,799 they aim for a wholesale repeal of the law, it 564 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,880 would take effect on January one, twenty twenty six, if 565 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,759 it is approved, and if it gets the governor's signature, 566 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,920 or he could just let it become law without his signature. 567 00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:19,880 The constitutionality of the certificate of need regime has been 568 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,240 challenged in court multiple times. Last October, the State Supreme 569 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:28,480 Court vacated a lower court decision in one of those challenges, 570 00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:33,759 keeping the legal case against certificate of need laws alive. Okay, 571 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,119 so we still don't have a determination as to whether 572 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,359 or not this is constitutional, whether it's even allowed. They're 573 00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:43,559 still litigating this stuff. Sponsors of this bill are not 574 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,079 content to wait for the court rulings to potentially overturn 575 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,279 the regime. As a matter of state policy, lawmakers believe 576 00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:55,519 that state bureaucrats should play no part in restricting healthcare 577 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,759 offerings within the tar Heel State, and they would be 578 00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:04,519 absolutely one, one hundred percent correct in that position. 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