Speaker 1: Welcome to the two seventeen Recovery Podcast. If you don't
Speaker 1: make mistakes, you won't learn. With your host Corey Winfield,
Speaker 1: you know there was a reason why that didn't work out,
Speaker 1: and you can look back at it and go, yep,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that didn't work out how I wanted it,
Speaker 1: because I would have been horrible. Got your ass. It
Speaker 1: is the fourteenth of August twenty twenty five. My name
Speaker 1: is Cory Winfield and joined by a very special guest today.
Speaker 2: My name is Corey Smoker.
Speaker 1: Corey Smoker, how are you doing, Corey?
Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty good.
Speaker 1: Good. We did a podcast earlier and we were trying
Speaker 1: something new. We were trying the video podcast that all
Speaker 1: the kids are doing. Technical issues with the microphone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, we set it up and
Speaker 2: we sure did give it a shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah we did. And that's how you learn, and that
Speaker 1: is by doing things, usually by failing, and then you realize, okay, well,
Speaker 1: next time, we'll don't move or use different microphone or
Speaker 1: I don't know something. We had the little wireless go
Speaker 1: microphones and it picked up some movement, so so.
Speaker 3: We just realized that I'm gonna keep using this big
Speaker 3: awkward one, but you know it works for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well, that's a real microphone. You're using the
Speaker 1: same microphone Joe Rogan uses. Oh my god, that's so awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I probably should investigate because I don't
Speaker 3: even think I know who Joe Rogan is.
Speaker 1: Wow. He's a very funny guy. He's a good he's
Speaker 1: a very funny comedian.
Speaker 2: He's does he do a lot of podcasts?
Speaker 1: I think so I.
Speaker 2: Feel like maybe I did hear some of his stuff.
Speaker 1: I've never listened to a Joe Rogan podcast. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's good. I like Joe Rogan. There's nothing against him.
Speaker 2: So you like him.
Speaker 3: You've never listened to one, and I don't really particularly
Speaker 3: know who.
Speaker 2: He is, but I think I want to say I
Speaker 2: did hear.
Speaker 1: One, but I don't I like his stand up.
Speaker 2: Well, now I got something I get to look up
Speaker 2: my free time.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Corey's busy for a few days or
Speaker 1: at least ten minutes. And you were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that guy.
Speaker 3: Well, you never know, and I might in that could
Speaker 3: be one hundred percent of true. I was, I might
Speaker 3: already know him. I might have already seen him. I
Speaker 3: just I'm not really good at the names and the
Speaker 3: faces and all that when it comes to people.
Speaker 1: No, And he actually brought a little bit of legitimacy
Speaker 1: to podcasting because I remember when we first started back
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen and I did the podcast Keep Myself Sober,
Speaker 1: and people were like, oh, you do a podcast. And
Speaker 1: then when I wanted to start helping people, and I
Speaker 1: noticed like transportation was an issue, and I went to
Speaker 1: NMRI and was like, hey, this is an issue. Open
Speaker 1: one's doing it. And they're like, h But first they
Speaker 1: were like, we're not going to give you money for
Speaker 1: your podcast. I'm like, well, I'm not even asking. I'm
Speaker 1: not even talking about my podcast. I'm talking about transportation.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, but I don't know. It was one
Speaker 1: of those things were now if you start talking about
Speaker 1: like I've heard someone say like Joe Rogan's podcast got
Speaker 1: Trump elected, so now you know, fast forward like six
Speaker 1: years or whatever, and it's like, oh, no, podcasting is important,
Speaker 1: and if you're talking about something that people are interested
Speaker 1: in or want to listen to, then yeah, it is important.
Speaker 3: Well, and I feel like the podcasting has kind of
Speaker 3: I mean the last I mean even five years it's
Speaker 3: gained a lot of traction. I know, when I come
Speaker 3: in here in the morning, it seems you're always listening
Speaker 3: to some kind of podcast of someone, and then it's
Speaker 3: like I hear you know, and different recovery realms of saying,
Speaker 3: you know, oh, well listen to this person on a podcast,
Speaker 3: or listen to this one or so I do feel
Speaker 3: like it's really taken traction in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people do listen to them, and you know, there's
Speaker 1: like little clips that people can watch and that's way different.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a radio guy, so for me, like
Speaker 1: this feels natural for me, and if someone wants to record,
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. But it does add a whole
Speaker 1: bunch more work as I'm trying to find it right now,
Speaker 1: because there's some clips that I think we can use
Speaker 1: from what we did, but I have to find them,
Speaker 1: and then like now I got to edit the video
Speaker 1: and sinking it, and so it's it's another hour, I
Speaker 1: would say, at least of work, which I'm fine doing.
Speaker 1: It's just you know, my wife just called and said,
Speaker 1: where's my husband. It's like, so it's hard to find
Speaker 1: those hours sometimes, you know, it's yeah, but.
Speaker 3: I mean you have you have that information for on
Speaker 3: that day that you do want to find that clip
Speaker 3: like we've been kind of you know, talking about now
Speaker 3: that we're looking at different directions that you even if
Speaker 3: there is no voice behind it, it can go on
Speaker 3: the website. And here is a you know, just a
Speaker 3: short clip of us sitting in our recovery center. We
Speaker 3: were out in the lobby, you know, sitting there looking
Speaker 3: at each other, talking or looking around. And now you
Speaker 3: have them clips if you need to use them for something.
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, and sometimes you just have to do it.
Speaker 1: And I would give this advice is someone who wants
Speaker 1: to start a podcast and it could be something that
Speaker 1: keeps you sober. Absolutely, it kept me sober. And this
Speaker 1: is what we talked about on the podcast that you
Speaker 1: didn't hear that you're hearing now, is I use the
Speaker 1: podcast as a way to keep myself sober. Some people
Speaker 1: use AA, some people use cooking. Some people one guy
Speaker 1: you guys met uses the birds. He's a falcon ear
Speaker 1: or something like that, and I would definitely want to
Speaker 1: meet him.
Speaker 3: He has like a wild so it's a rescue so
Speaker 3: when someone calls and there's a hurt bird, or he
Speaker 3: goes and gets them and rescues them and to his
Speaker 3: best ability as he tries to get them back to their.
Speaker 1: Habitat and sober living for birds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 3: Like he was going when we met seen him yesterday,
Speaker 3: he was left there early to jet out.
Speaker 2: He was going to Macinaw City to pick up an eagle.
Speaker 1: Nice. That's pretty cool job. And and I guess he
Speaker 1: had mentioned like, hey, I need to come hang out
Speaker 1: and do some more events or like be around us
Speaker 1: because you know the I'm not going to call him
Speaker 1: out or nothing, but he's in recovery supposedly. I don't
Speaker 1: really know. I'm not talking for him, but maybe he is,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not. But I think that kind of person
Speaker 1: is good to have around people, because you know, there's
Speaker 1: some sober living homes here in Traverse City, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, like when we go golfing next month or
Speaker 1: whenever we do that, you know, to have somebody like
Speaker 1: him around too, just to be around, you know, so
Speaker 1: these newcomers can come in and they can see these
Speaker 1: people and they were like, wait, you save birds. That
Speaker 1: could keep somebody sober and you never know what it's
Speaker 1: going to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just about making that connection right of
Speaker 3: what you know, he turned to birds and in his
Speaker 3: recovery and he said, you know that helped him grow
Speaker 3: and now he's using that in trying to He does
Speaker 3: like different classes and he does different things of bringing
Speaker 3: people out and showing them the awareness of the birds and.
Speaker 2: In their habitat.
Speaker 3: And he was saying something to me and Marnie about
Speaker 3: you know, maybe that's something one day he could do
Speaker 3: with some of us.
Speaker 2: Here in recovery.
Speaker 3: Is we could go out to where he is where
Speaker 3: the birds and we could see, you know, what he
Speaker 3: does or he does practice flying with them and so cool.
Speaker 1: That would be cool as long as we can film it.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure he wouldn't love that.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. And you talk to someone in
Speaker 1: AA NA whatever smart recovery dharma. If you talk to
Speaker 1: anybody who uses their what do you want to say,
Speaker 1: their passway or passion pathway, Yeah, whatever they choose, they're
Speaker 1: going to tell you that that is the best one thing.
Speaker 1: You should do it. And I do it too with purpose.
Speaker 1: I tell people that you need goals, you need to
Speaker 1: have purpose in life, because that's what I feel moved
Speaker 1: me past the hump to get me over the the drinking.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna, you know, say that people that go
Speaker 1: to AA are going to say, no, you need to
Speaker 1: go to AA. That really worked, and I think it's
Speaker 1: because it's such a life changing to have life back.
Speaker 1: I don't even life changing like that. To live life
Speaker 1: again and to be free is just such an amazing feeling.
Speaker 1: We want everybody to have that, like I want everybody
Speaker 1: who's struggling to have this well.
Speaker 3: And I think it's because right we're now, we're advocating.
Speaker 3: We want we see the other people that are hurting.
Speaker 1: We see that thought it was never going to happen
Speaker 1: to us one time too, and we know what these
Speaker 1: people are thinking. And that's why it's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: it can happen. It will happen. Just don't give up.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately some people it takes. And I don't know
Speaker 1: why we're here. It's not up to us to sit
Speaker 1: here and go God, why did you save me? We
Speaker 1: just know that he did. And now there's a passion
Speaker 1: and it's like a fire that you can't put out
Speaker 1: to help other people. That's hard.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I want to just shake them to get it.
Speaker 1: So your parents and you're like, oh, I'm shaking my
Speaker 1: son right now. Yep, we get it, and I know
Speaker 1: and our parents wanted to shake us, and then maybe
Speaker 1: they didn't, you know. But to be here on the
Speaker 1: side of it, though, seriously, is it's amazing and I
Speaker 1: want everybody to feel this. And Corey was the same way.
Speaker 1: If she thought it was never gonna happen to her
Speaker 1: and only have some other people until that thing happened
Speaker 1: to us that made us get in geared a little bit.
Speaker 1: And for me it was fear, fear of being that
Speaker 1: person that killed somebody in a drunk driving accident or
Speaker 1: being that I don't want to be that. Nobody wants
Speaker 1: to be that person, you know. And for me to
Speaker 1: have blacked out, oh, drink responsibly, don't drink and drive, well,
Speaker 1: I was black, I don't remember, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was a setup. I thought the cops had set me up,
Speaker 1: that my mom. I thought everybody was in on it.
Speaker 1: They even wanted so far to scrape the side of
Speaker 1: my car to make it look like I hit something,
Speaker 1: those effing cops. And after I woke up and missed
Speaker 1: four days or whatever, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: maybe I and that's what I knew. It wasn't. Maybe
Speaker 1: I drove. I was like, I drove and holy hell,
Speaker 1: what was I doing? And then that's when that's when
Speaker 1: the fear released it Like where was I going? Because
Speaker 1: I remember when I got out of jail, I got home,
Speaker 1: there's a half gallon sitting on the counter, so I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to get alcohol. But I think I hit
Speaker 1: the cur or the dumpster at the liquor store. I
Speaker 1: don't know, because there was that green That's the only
Speaker 1: thing I think of was the dumpster. I just don't
Speaker 1: even know, and that's scary.
Speaker 2: But that's the only place we can think that the
Speaker 2: green dumpster is. We don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I just know. The guy followed
Speaker 1: me home, and I guess I'm using air quotes here
Speaker 1: came too with him beating out my window going what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: He was like, you almost killed somebody, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Him sitting in my car
Speaker 1: and I'm then it's snowing outside, him in pajama pants
Speaker 1: and a T shirt. I mean, like, I didn't have
Speaker 1: my phone and didn't had my vape. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I was doing. That's efing scary. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but your TV commercials that tell me to drink responsibly
Speaker 1: that went out the window a long effing time ago.
Speaker 1: And the whole don't drive drunk. Yeah, I tried not to.
Speaker 1: But when I black out and don't remember what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: that's that's a huge problem. Huge. You've pretty much same
Speaker 1: thing almost, you know, it's like, oh, exactly, wait to
Speaker 1: get the cops. The guys I'm gonna call the cops
Speaker 1: are good, I'll wait for them. I could have went inside.
Speaker 1: He's very similar.
Speaker 3: I didn't intentionally set out and be like, well, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get drunk and I'm going to drive home tonight.
Speaker 3: That wasn't ever my plan.
Speaker 1: Do we have to tell these people who make alcohol
Speaker 1: and the alcohol warnings how alcohol works. Do we have
Speaker 1: to tell the federal government? No, they know and they
Speaker 1: love it because it brings them money. See, if you
Speaker 1: think the government cares about you, I'm sorry, Like if
Speaker 1: you get all heated about the Trump stuff and this,
Speaker 1: if I'm sorry that I have to break this too.
Speaker 1: The government does not give a shit about you. Didn't care, Nope,
Speaker 1: you just you die. In the goal away and they're fine.
Speaker 1: That's how the government works. Same thing with the states,
Speaker 1: state of They don't care. They'll they'll tell you that
Speaker 1: they care about you and that they want to see change,
Speaker 1: and then you bring them ideas and you give them
Speaker 1: proof of how you've affected change, and they go, nah, like,
Speaker 1: but we're saving lives. We saved a thousand lives probably, Nah,
Speaker 1: don't care. They're just going to keep giving them money
Speaker 1: to their friends. And I don't care if they don't
Speaker 1: give it to us, because there's other means and we'll
Speaker 1: figure it out. You know. I'm not going to sit
Speaker 1: here and kiss their ass. There's other organizations that do
Speaker 1: that already. I don't need to. I'm trying to help people.
Speaker 1: That's all I want. I want to help people, and
Speaker 1: I want to pay employees. Well, yep, that's it. And
Speaker 1: I want to go home play with my kid.
Speaker 3: And we're going to keep and so we just have
Speaker 3: to keep keep advocating, keep moving to the next moving
Speaker 3: on to the next place, whether we gotta you know,
Speaker 3: and we got to keep It's just like we never
Speaker 3: know who is the right person to talk to, you know,
Speaker 3: and then when we do find someone that has a
Speaker 3: fire that is lit as big as ours, then maybe
Speaker 3: we need to, you know, get in the arena with
Speaker 3: them and see see where.
Speaker 2: That can go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if this is the community I'm going to
Speaker 1: be in for twenty years, as I raised my son, like,
Speaker 1: something's going to need to change, or I'll pick another
Speaker 1: community to live in. You know, this isn't the best
Speaker 1: place in the world. I don't know any place is
Speaker 1: the best. Well, there's one place that's the best place
Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, that's obviously why you call
Speaker 1: it the best place in the world. I want to
Speaker 1: find that place. Maybe I'll move there. But and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying every place has to be like perfect, because
Speaker 1: nobody's perfect and everything's a little jumbled here there. But
Speaker 1: for the people in the community, the elderly, the people
Speaker 1: that have mental health issues, behavioral health, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it, you know, sud goes right in there gambling.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many people out there that need help,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people in this area that
Speaker 1: could make that happen with nothing. You know, it would
Speaker 1: take nothing for them to be like, oh, here you go.
Speaker 1: I would like to see my community better. Oh I
Speaker 1: think but I don't know how to talk to those people.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's the middle class. Maybe we're the ones.
Speaker 1: I have to do it. I don't care who has
Speaker 1: to do it, but somebody does have to do it.
Speaker 1: And just because there's oh, this organization is doing that,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean they're doing it right. No, doesn't,
Speaker 1: because I've seen way too many times where it's not
Speaker 1: and it's just money just keeps funneling through and you're like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, hold on, you know, and I do
Speaker 1: have friends that are representatives here in the state, and
Speaker 1: that can affect changes in the laws. So if that's
Speaker 1: what I need to do, that's what I need to do.
Speaker 1: And then it was even suggesting me that I run
Speaker 1: for office, like and I'm like, dude, And people thought
Speaker 1: it was a good idea. A couple of people from
Speaker 1: here this area thought it was a good idea and
Speaker 1: I are you to run? Yes? And I said no,
Speaker 1: do you know what would happen? Like I would They
Speaker 1: would be on the news like I would probably punch
Speaker 1: somebody in the face the first day. It would be bad,
Speaker 1: I know, and.
Speaker 2: Where you would have a stroke.
Speaker 1: My friend Ron, he was just excited. He was like
Speaker 1: I can't, dude, they would be the best day ever.
Speaker 1: The popcorn he would have it already be kicked up.
Speaker 1: Here comes Corey watch this shit like because he knew,
Speaker 1: he knows, like I would lose my ship. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: just telling me. He's scratching the surface of the stuff
Speaker 1: that's going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: I say, I'm going to advocate for your best interests,
Speaker 3: and I say that.
Speaker 1: I would have a heart attack.
Speaker 2: I would rather you.
Speaker 1: It would be horrible, It would be the worst. I mean,
Speaker 1: the people in Michigan would love it, probably especially Trump
Speaker 1: supporters will love it. But like I think everybody would
Speaker 1: love it. Well yeah, and that in the whole state
Speaker 1: of Michigan Senate, all the houses, all of them. They
Speaker 1: would hate me.
Speaker 3: And I think that there would be people I would
Speaker 3: stand behind.
Speaker 2: You and support far back. They would, yes, But I
Speaker 2: just for Corey Winfield himself. I don't think that that
Speaker 2: arena is your arena.
Speaker 1: No, I'm I mean.
Speaker 2: I guess you could always try.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Let me tell you about the book Cherry Concert.
Speaker 2: I think we should just President Parker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, that was a funny one. I love parenting
Speaker 1: with Marnie because it's so fun because I was talking
Speaker 1: about drone because I'm I'm very fearful. Well that's a
Speaker 1: whole nother podcast. But I'm afraid that he's not gonna
Speaker 1: like cameras and doing film and radio and and so
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, and what if he doesn't like it? Marty,
Speaker 1: He's like, he's gonna like what he likes no matter what.
Speaker 1: What's like, You're not gonna te him what to do
Speaker 1: and then how to be. I said, Okay, so you
Speaker 1: want to ride your bike in traffic, son, no helmet,
Speaker 1: go on, go be your man, Go go go beat
Speaker 1: the Parker you want to be. And I was like,
Speaker 1: we can take him down to the wherever I go
Speaker 1: to get his name changed and get his name changed
Speaker 1: to president like it should have been if you listen
Speaker 1: to the podcast before. I said to Marty that I
Speaker 1: wanted to name him president, so that way his name
Speaker 1: would be President Winfield and that would just be awesome.
Speaker 1: And I always think about like first second grade teachers
Speaker 1: and then the substitute doing roll call President Winfield, Will
Speaker 1: Parker hand.
Speaker 2: Here, it's so cute.
Speaker 1: Yes, give me two coffees please. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: thought it'd be funny but yeah, so it was.
Speaker 2: Funny that sweet cream in my coffee.
Speaker 1: I started going down the rabbit hole of all these
Speaker 1: horrible situations where I'm like, no, Parker, go ahead, Yeah
Speaker 1: you want to jump out of the plane with no parachute,
Speaker 1: just go You be your own man, Parker. You do
Speaker 1: what you want. Your mom said, she just stopped talking
Speaker 1: to me, you know, she started watching The Hunters Club
Speaker 1: or some show. And I'm like, honey, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: way funnier than the show is.
Speaker 2: Right now, that's just Cory being funny because he's so scared.
Speaker 1: Oh so you just doing that sit Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, because my mind goes really far places.
Speaker 1: It's like when the Sober Living, you know, the guy
Speaker 1: was like, we gotta be willing to do anything, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, there's a lot of things I wouldn't do,
Speaker 1: you know, Like what do you mean? I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to push my mom off a bridge.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have sex with you know. Like I
Speaker 1: started naming like all kinds of crazy stuff. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I spent Like if you needed a job, I'm like, O, wait,
Speaker 1: I'll get a job. What I mean donald's. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm thinking McDonald's. Well you too good
Speaker 1: for McDonald's. No, I've never worked at McDonald's and that
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. I'd probably go to the radio
Speaker 1: station or maybe a tool and Die plays, then maybe McDonald's.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're talking about if i'd rather
Speaker 1: work at McDonalds or live under a bridge, I definitely
Speaker 1: would rather work at McDonald's if that's what you're asking.
Speaker 1: And he's like yeah, I'm like, okay, well I could
Speaker 1: tell that point it wasn't going to work out. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I don't think that's the one. And
Speaker 1: I did not want to go to the other one
Speaker 1: because there was eighteen people there and those one dude
Speaker 1: that I hated was going to that house too, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to go to that one.
Speaker 1: But I ended up going there, and then of course
Speaker 1: that dude had the better right next to mine. He's
Speaker 1: dead now, though, But.
Speaker 2: But them are just some life lessons.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't know. It was it was crazy,
Speaker 1: but but you did it.
Speaker 3: I did, like you saying, you know, like, okay, I
Speaker 3: had to be humble enough. I had to clean the toilet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was the one job. Like everything I
Speaker 1: was like praying for, like, please don't let him be
Speaker 1: next to me, boom, right next to me, Please don't
Speaker 1: look at me. Bathrooms, boom, bathrooms. It was eighteen news
Speaker 1: three bathrooms. Yep, that's what I was doing Wednesdays. So
Speaker 1: I threw on the gloves and I got really good
Speaker 1: at it, and then I changed my mind. And that's
Speaker 1: when I realized. I think too, how you go into
Speaker 1: something with your like if you go into something thinking
Speaker 1: this is gonna suck, guess what going to suck? If
Speaker 1: you can go into it like you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put these clothes on. I'm not gonna get any
Speaker 1: pubes on my hands, nothing like that. I'm spraying the
Speaker 1: shit out of everything. And when I sat down, I
Speaker 1: was the first one to use the toilet afterward, and
Speaker 1: I passed that along the story and it really does work.
Speaker 1: I knew it was clean. Man. I took my time
Speaker 1: just joining the clean bathroom upstairs in Nathan's house two
Speaker 1: six thirty one Boint Avenue.
Speaker 2: But I mean there's even.
Speaker 3: That feeling of knowing, like when you get in the shower,
Speaker 3: like is that you know it's clean every Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I gotta throw people's away because the
Speaker 1: rule that Jason the beckcat at Nathan's house, you don't like,
Speaker 1: he gave you a shower caddy. He's like, here you go,
Speaker 1: put all your stuff in here. Take this in the
Speaker 1: bathroom with you when you leave, take it out. And
Speaker 1: well people would be like, eh, at my house, I
Speaker 1: just leave my shampoo right here in the shower. Much
Speaker 1: easier at your house it is, but with an eighteen
Speaker 1: people can you imagine eighteen different bottles or even six
Speaker 1: or seven, that's too many. And so Jason would be like,
Speaker 1: you don't leave your stuff in there, So I throw
Speaker 1: it all away. And then, like one dude was like,
Speaker 1: maybe if someone keeps throwing away with a shrimp Poojason's like, wait,
Speaker 1: someone's thrown away your saying your shampoo and he's like yeah, Jaysoni,
Speaker 1: Well let's get to the bottom of this. So what
Speaker 1: room are you And he's like okay, He's like, so
Speaker 1: someone's going in your where do you keep it in
Speaker 1: your well? No, I had it in the bedroom. Well
Speaker 1: you had it in the in the bathroom, like in
Speaker 1: the cup. No, in the shower. Oh, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to do that. So that whoever cleaned
Speaker 1: the bathroom threw it away, So that's what they're supposed
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, well that's mossed up.
Speaker 2: That's the rule.
Speaker 1: That's how it goes. And then he did it again,
Speaker 1: and then you have the balls to bring it up
Speaker 1: in guys, and you stopped and were shot and pooh
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm leave it in there again. I want
Speaker 1: to go clean the bathroom right now to see if
Speaker 1: it's in there. I throw it away. But it became
Speaker 1: it became something that I didn't mind because I just
Speaker 1: changed it as Okay, I'm having fun throwing peoples stuff away.
Speaker 1: I know it's clean because the other well, one guy
Speaker 1: for sure half asked it and he never even cleaned it.
Speaker 1: And it's like, are you here to half ass things
Speaker 1: or are you here to learn how to live sober? It's
Speaker 1: doing those things that, Okay, that means you need to
Speaker 1: do it. Is it gonna hurt you physically? Meant it? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: Well you're gonna mess around and catch some sobriety. Like,
Speaker 1: what is the worst that's gonna happen? You just cleaned
Speaker 1: the bathroom. You did something for when you get done.
Speaker 1: Guess what dope mean, Spike, go mow your yard. Look
Speaker 1: at it. When you're done, you feel good, it looks good.
Speaker 1: You have that same reward. It's finishing something that you start,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's part of the stuff that it's
Speaker 1: teaching you. And then I would carry that over and
Speaker 1: Marty and I got to the apartment and I know
Speaker 1: she worked hard, and i'd clean her bathroom and I'm
Speaker 1: the first time I did it. It was took me
Speaker 1: two minutes, like it was nothing. She's not a nasty,
Speaker 1: hairy guy, you know, Like it was it was easy,
Speaker 1: and she really appreciated it. And I texted to back
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, cleaning the bathroom for your
Speaker 1: beautiful sexy wife, girlfriend, fiance, whatever she was at that time,
Speaker 1: is so much better, dude than twenty dudes, you know.
Speaker 1: And it took two minutes, nothing, and she really appreciated it.
Speaker 1: And I need to do it more. But I carried
Speaker 1: it over, you know, and it feels good to do
Speaker 1: things for people, and something is like cleaning the bathroom.
Speaker 3: And it's just teaching you them things of them, simple
Speaker 3: life skills of us.
Speaker 2: Right when so then when we leave the Sober Living
Speaker 2: and say we even have our own spot. It's probably
Speaker 2: a good idea that you clean your bathroom.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, And I mean I cleaned my bathroom before,
Speaker 1: But but it's doing it for other people. And when
Speaker 1: you know I'm cleaning the bathroom for the Sober Living house, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm cleaning it for me and being selfish and greedy,
Speaker 1: but I'm also doing it for everybody else, Like I
Speaker 1: don't want someone to come home later that night, and
Speaker 1: like who supposed to play the bathroom today? It looks
Speaker 1: like shit because I heard that a lot not on
Speaker 1: my days, yep, And that's what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't want to half ass cleaned something
Speaker 1: the Jason to beckcom and then he yells at me
Speaker 1: because I couldn't even clean a bathroom, Come on, you know,
Speaker 1: But it's in me, It was it was in me.
Speaker 1: I could have definitely tapped into the just get the
Speaker 1: pube off the corner. No one will know.
Speaker 3: But there's also too sometimes where I've I've had to
Speaker 3: remember because even just in past like jobs and co
Speaker 3: workers of that, not maybe not everybody was fought the same.
Speaker 2: Way of cleaning.
Speaker 1: M and that's the thing too.
Speaker 3: That is the thing and and of course, and it's
Speaker 3: remembering that when we get sober, we're adults. And so
Speaker 3: then we look at this age and this number, that
Speaker 3: we're this old, and that we're supposed to know.
Speaker 2: These things, and sometimes we're not.
Speaker 3: We don't get humble enough to add can just say that, hey,
Speaker 3: I might need help because this is this is a
Speaker 3: skill I lack in or you know, I lived in
Speaker 3: a house where cleaning was not a thing, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's okay, And so it's like it's just one
Speaker 3: of them some areas again of like right, asking for help. Yeah,
Speaker 3: especially us people in recovery, most of us understand like
Speaker 3: when we're asking for help, it really there's nothing that's
Speaker 3: dumb because maybe it's just something we missed along the way.
Speaker 2: In our life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, nobody ever taught me how to change oil.
Speaker 1: M I mean, I could probably take it to a
Speaker 1: place to have it done. I mean, if I wanted
Speaker 1: to learn, I could do. I could learn how to
Speaker 1: change oil, you know, but I'm not going to be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so stupid, so I don't know
Speaker 1: how to change my oil. No, if I wanted to
Speaker 1: learn how to change my oil.
Speaker 3: I could, yeah, but I just think it's the that's
Speaker 3: just some skills of we have to be It's the
Speaker 3: willingness right too, of are we going to just sit
Speaker 3: there and be like, well, I don't know, I can't
Speaker 3: or or you know, like you were saying, can you
Speaker 3: go in it with that open mind? And what's the
Speaker 3: motivation of why we're doing this? Because I want to
Speaker 3: learn it, because you know, I just want to learn it,
Speaker 3: or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: And in the other podcast that we did that Nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna hear, we kind of talked about goals and having
Speaker 1: purpose and stuff like that. And then people like their dreams.
Speaker 1: Because if you came to me seven years ago, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: so your dreams to make a movie. And I'm be like, well,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? That's not my dream is
Speaker 1: make a movie? What? But my dream is to make
Speaker 1: a movie now. And if I say that to somebody,
Speaker 1: they probably roll their eyes and be like okay, and
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's cool. They don't understand my dream, but
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to do that. And it's the fear
Speaker 1: of what other people think sometimes that will keep people'
Speaker 1: stuffs and I do fear. We have a project coming
Speaker 1: up that we're gonna start here in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: and I am freaking scared. Man. I think I can
Speaker 1: do it. And I was talking to my friend Bob
Speaker 1: this morning. We had coffee and we kind of he's
Speaker 1: a painter, but he also kind of started doing side
Speaker 1: jobs too, because he'd be painting a house and somebody like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you fix this trim or can you fix that?
Speaker 1: And he had worked on enough job sites with other
Speaker 1: people and seeing people do stuff and this and that
Speaker 1: where he's like, yeah, yeah, I can do that, and
Speaker 1: he's never done it before. But yet now he is
Speaker 1: in a position where someone asked him he's like sure,
Speaker 1: And I was like, it's kind of the same situation
Speaker 1: that I'm in where it's like, I've never done this before.
Speaker 1: I've never made a movie before, but like leading up
Speaker 1: to making that movie, I've learned a lot along the way,
Speaker 1: and I think that's gonna put push me through this fear.
Speaker 1: I hope, but I'm going to do it. We have
Speaker 1: a date set, you know, and that's the most important thing.
Speaker 1: So back to me telling someone who's starting a podcast
Speaker 1: some advice, don't give up. Don't do it to be
Speaker 1: rich or famous. Do it because it's something that you love.
Speaker 1: Whether it's about recovery, about your recovery. If you can
Speaker 1: do that about your recovery and keep yourself sober, then
Speaker 1: you win. I don't care if you have one listener,
Speaker 1: you win. Every single episode you're winning, and ten years
Speaker 1: from now someone might catch that episode. And that's another thing.
Speaker 1: You never know who's going to catch that and hear
Speaker 1: it and go wow, that's the same thing I'm going
Speaker 1: through at this very moment. Because God does work in
Speaker 1: mysterious ways. So don't give up on it. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it to be rich and famous. I would
Speaker 1: do it to just get some stuff off your chest.
Speaker 1: Maybe you want to have some fun with your buddies
Speaker 1: and you want to do a fantasy football podcast, whatever, man,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, you know, like, do it, but don't
Speaker 1: give up. And do it for the right reasons, is
Speaker 1: what I would say, because when you started doing things
Speaker 1: for money, it just doesn't work out, at least in
Speaker 1: my experience.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's I mean, it's kind of like that
Speaker 3: for anything we take. We we're more apt to study
Speaker 3: a course because it's something we want to learn, we
Speaker 3: want to do. Then when we're forced or just doing
Speaker 3: it because oh well I get paid to do this,
Speaker 3: well that's no fun, right right, And it's and it's
Speaker 3: the recovery piece about it is it's putting our passion.
Speaker 2: Into it, showing up.
Speaker 3: We will put one hundred and ten percent into it
Speaker 3: because this is what we like to do.
Speaker 2: It's what we want to do, and it's you know,
Speaker 2: and then oh cool.
Speaker 3: Like I'm getting paid to do this too, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's it's not always we're getting paid to do something,
Speaker 3: but it's just about like finding that spot where you
Speaker 3: can just show up to be one hundred percent who
Speaker 3: you are and what you're doing that purpose is you know,
Speaker 3: what you want.
Speaker 2: To be doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it changed everything in my life, you know,
Speaker 1: and not wanting to go back in radio. And then
Speaker 1: the things that God just kind of puts in in
Speaker 1: the way and I say in the way they are
Speaker 1: and he'll pull the rug and you'll be like what
Speaker 1: then you just have to just ride the churuse man
Speaker 1: like there it's a test and there's a reason why
Speaker 1: things change and things shift shift, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: like to open the podcast opened, you know, it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that things didn't work out. And there
Speaker 1: was times where I was beating my head against the wall,
Speaker 1: going man, we got to do this, we need this,
Speaker 1: and then it didn't work out and I'm like no.
Speaker 1: And then months or weeks later, I look back and go, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that didn't work out, because that's not
Speaker 1: what we need to do. That would have been a
Speaker 1: total waste of time, waste of money, waste of everything.
Speaker 2: So well, sometimes when we're in it, we can't see that.
Speaker 1: We're just like, no, but I gotta do this. I
Speaker 1: gotta do this. They said I have to do this
Speaker 1: and a lot of misinformation. But then it doesn't and
Speaker 1: then you look back and you're like, wow, I'm so
Speaker 1: glad that didn't work out that way, or that I
Speaker 1: didn't waste any more time. And as mad as I
Speaker 1: was and I looked up, I remember going, God, what
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do? He's telling you you just
Speaker 1: got to listen. You gotta pay attention.
Speaker 3: Sometimes that's right. But I wanted to do this over here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we can't. We just can't let it go for
Speaker 3: a minute, right, Yeah, And then when we can and
Speaker 3: we get when we get it's when we get to
Speaker 3: the other side and we're like, oh, okay, well all right,
Speaker 3: that didn't work out.
Speaker 1: Maybe we brought enough attention to the transportation issue because
Speaker 1: it seems like everybody and their brother wants to do it.
Speaker 1: Now we're says they're doing it. So maybe I mean,
Speaker 1: we didn't get any funding from the state of Michigan,
Speaker 1: so maybe they have it all figured out. Maybe every
Speaker 1: single person who wants to go to treatments getting there, or.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just like, okay, well, then these other people
Speaker 3: are going to try it. But we don't know, we
Speaker 3: don't know what the bigger picture of this is going
Speaker 3: to be. At least we know that, you know, for
Speaker 3: in your heart, I want you to know that. You know,
Speaker 3: a lot of people know that Corey Winfield to seventeen,
Speaker 3: he was the one that started two seventeen, two seventeen,
Speaker 3: two seventeen, and now there is a lot of people
Speaker 3: that are bummed that we're not doing it, and so
Speaker 3: you know, these other places are going to try to
Speaker 3: start doing it, and you know, my biggest thing is
Speaker 3: I can just hope that you know, they're going to
Speaker 3: get the people to treatment as well, safe and reliable
Speaker 3: and if that means for us, now we got to
Speaker 3: shift at a different different gear right now. Okay, so
Speaker 3: we you know what I mean, you started that, you
Speaker 3: showed how it to be done. Now other people are
Speaker 3: it's kind of like, you know what, now they're following that.
Speaker 2: Okay, something that you did.
Speaker 3: So now we're going to go in a different direction
Speaker 3: and we're gonna help. Where's the other gaps of where
Speaker 3: we can help.
Speaker 1: Because there's plenty of them.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So that's what you have to do. And you can
Speaker 1: have an attitude of oh we're gonna pound crame, we're
Speaker 1: going to do this, We're going to do or you
Speaker 1: can just figured out, you know, and listen to God,
Speaker 1: you know, because God's been saying a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: to me for a while and it's just a natural like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, cool, transportation is covered. I'm glad we took
Speaker 1: care of that, you know, because I kind of think
Speaker 1: like we did. And I remember when they first released
Speaker 1: their transportation grants, Brandon from DG. Chesskin was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we thought of you and we got this transportation going.
Speaker 1: We didn't give it to you, but that's all right,
Speaker 1: we got to hook up our friends or whatever they do.
Speaker 1: But that's cool as long as they're getting people to treatment.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see their numbers. I asked them for
Speaker 1: them because I was like, hey, how do you Because
Speaker 1: they gave them to twenty people, twenty organizations, and if
Speaker 1: one who didn't get the funding from them could do
Speaker 1: twelve hundred rides in three years, Holy cow, They've probably
Speaker 1: got forty thousand people that they've taken to treatment. And
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see those numbers.
Speaker 2: Maybe one day they'll lo okay, it leaves to us.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think they were. I think about to
Speaker 1: do a Freedom of Information Act, but the numbers aren't
Speaker 1: going to be close to ours. Unfortunately, the forty five.
Speaker 1: That's because if they were doing something that was that good,
Speaker 1: they would be telling people about it and people wouldn't
Speaker 1: be calling us asking for rides of treatment, even though
Speaker 1: they've called their insurance or whatever they're supposed to do
Speaker 1: like that didn't show up what we just we could.
Speaker 1: Hopefully at least we put enough. I know I did.
Speaker 1: I've talked to enough people at the State of Michigan
Speaker 1: that they know.
Speaker 3: But I mean there's still people here that are you know,
Speaker 3: they're still advocating. Look at we got gran Trevers County
Speaker 3: Jail yesterday, you know, and to put the piece together
Speaker 3: with the Maynistee County in Benzie County jail. You know,
Speaker 3: I called her up and I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if you work with this client he's in Benzie County.
Speaker 2: And she's like, yep, we'll pay for it. Good to go,
Speaker 2: just like that.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, and then now reaching out and
Speaker 3: make we're get in a little bit more connected down
Speaker 3: in Benzie County as well.
Speaker 2: And so we just got to keep on advocating. They
Speaker 2: know we're here.
Speaker 3: They you know, there are certain courts and judge that
Speaker 3: they rely on two seventeen to get their people there
Speaker 3: because they know what we do, what we're about, and
Speaker 3: that we get them there every time.
Speaker 2: There's no fault, there's no guy didn't make it.
Speaker 3: So we just, you know, we just got to keep
Speaker 3: advocating in one little sometimes it's it's little baby steps
Speaker 3: in it. We want I think we want bigger strides
Speaker 3: because that's just we feel, you know, we're we're strong
Speaker 3: and knowing what we are doing and what the impact
Speaker 3: does make we hear it all the time. We have
Speaker 3: we have clients now that are in sober living or
Speaker 3: they're living on their own now that we have helped,
Speaker 3: and we see the progress in it.
Speaker 2: And so it just takes a little time.
Speaker 1: And speaking of time I have, I have very little
Speaker 1: left on this podcast today obviously because my wife wants
Speaker 1: my home.
Speaker 2: She does in that little that little Parker.
Speaker 3: Windfield at home is going to be so excited when
Speaker 3: his daddy comes through the door.
Speaker 1: Well, big smiles on his face. But I do want
Speaker 1: to mention to check out restored Voices dot com.
Speaker 2: Check that out and exciting new project.
Speaker 1: Yeah, check that out. Tell me what you think. Got
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Speaker 2: Then, oh geez, pretty soon we're going to be starting
Speaker 2: a new show called I don't know what day yet,
Speaker 2: but we're going to do the Corey and Corey Show.
Speaker 1: Oh I thought that was the name of the show
Speaker 1: of like we don't know what day? Yes, name show. Yeah, Okay,
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