WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.360 So let's do some NFL draft. 2 00:00:01.399 --> 00:00:04.599 One of our favorites Pro Football Focus, Trevor Sikima on 3 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:05.639 a Wednesday afternoon. 4 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:08.640 Trevor, how you doing, man, Guys, I'm doing great. Appreciate 5 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:09.640 you having me back on the show. 6 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:10.679 Appreciate the time. 7 00:00:10.759 --> 00:00:13.359 So have you been able to get some sleep after 8 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:15.880 what I'm sure was a chaotic week or so for 9 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:16.879 you over at PFF. 10 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:20.879 You know, not quite yet. It's funny a lot of 11 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:23.120 people go, oh, the draft is over for you, so 12 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:25.559 like now you get a break. No, that's not exactly 13 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:27.359 how it works, because now people want to hear what 14 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:29.839 I think about what actually happened in the draft. So 15 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:32.880 we'll save the sleep for next week in the week after, 16 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:35.320 but for now, we got to analyze these draft clads. 17 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:37.880 That a guy, Well, we appreciate you joining us because 18 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:40.719 I do want to get your thoughts on what happened, 19 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:42.840 and of course I will not bury the lead, Trevor. 20 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:45.359 And you know, shad Or Sanders is a player that 21 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:47.520 we've seen play a lot around here as we're the 22 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:51.079 home of the Youthes formerly Pac twelve and then obviously 23 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:55.600 Big twelve Conference mates with Colorado, and so look, it's 24 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:58.799 interesting to hear people break this down after the fact. 25 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:01.520 Some of the same people who last week claimed that 26 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:03.359 they thought he would be a first round picker now 27 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:06.359 claiming they're not surprised that he was not. Here's my question, 28 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:10.400 what was your expectation leading into the draft as far 29 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:12.719 as where he would go and what are your thoughts 30 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:14.560 about the slide all the way to the fifth round. 31 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:17.400 So I go back to my thoughts right after the 32 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:20.040 combine when we were in Indianapolis, and the Combine is 33 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:21.840 great for a lot of things. Obviously we'd love to 34 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.560 oo and ah the forty times in the vertical jumps 35 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:26.879 and all that good stuff. But what the Combine is 36 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.560 really there for for me is it's information gathering. I 37 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:32.239 get to talk to a lot of people that I 38 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:35.680 know around the country and people that cover teams very 39 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:39.400 very closely. And my main takeaway when I came out 40 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:42.319 of the combine is I couldn't really find anybody or 41 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:46.040 any source that confidently talked about shod Or Sanders as 42 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:48.920 a first round quarterback. Now that's not to say that 43 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.000 I didn't predict him as a first rounder. In my 44 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:52.799 final mock, I had him at number twenty one to 45 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:56.239 the Steelers. But at the end of the day, I'm 46 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:00.000 not super surprised that he wasn't a first rounder because 47 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.719 that's exactly the sentiment that I got in Indianapolis, and 48 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:05.000 it was the opposite with cam Ward. When I asked 49 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:07.000 people about cam Ward, all I could hear was, oh 50 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:09.360 my gosh, this team loves cam Ward. They'd love the 51 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:11.159 trades to get him. I don't think the Titans are 52 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:13.039 going to pass on him. But I didn't really hear 53 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.759 that kind of stuff for shoe door standards, I didn't 54 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:18.120 really hear that kind of love. And I think that, 55 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:20.960 you know, the way that Shodor was or you know, 56 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:26.400 more appropriately, was not drafted, was a reminder that the 57 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:31.319 league doesn't draft quarterbacks off of need as much as 58 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:35.240 we think they do. Now. Obviously there are times when 59 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:38.560 that is the case, but often these teams know that 60 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:41.240 when you invest in a quarterback, you're investing in a lot. 61 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:43.080 Yet you want to take swings at it if you 62 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.520 don't have a franchise quarterback on the team. But these 63 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.159 organizations have to love the guys like they've got to 64 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:52.599 be able to think that there is a legitimate future 65 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:54.439 for them to be an all pro and to be 66 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:57.159 somebody that can really save their team, especially as a 67 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.560 first round pick. I'll put on top of that, I 68 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:03.000 have always had a second to third round grade on 69 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:04.840 Shudre Sanders. That's what I thought of him when I 70 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:06.919 watched the film, and his physical talents and the arm 71 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:10.280 strength and everything like that. But I am floored that 72 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:12.360 he lasted until the fifth round. So we can sit 73 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:15.199 here and say that, oh, okay, Like I understand why 74 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:17.639 he wasn't a first round pick, because I do, but 75 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:19.759 for him to go in the fifth round, that's something 76 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:22.639 else entirely. That's the league, you know, not believing in 77 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.319 who you can become as a quarterback in this league, 78 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:30.000 whether that's physical talents, whether that's the interview portion of it, 79 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.520 whether it's the work ethic whatever, that is something that 80 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:33.879 I was shocked about with you door. 81 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.120 So now that we have had a couple of days 82 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.639 to digest this, Trevor, because as you know, the takes 83 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.599 are widespread, so on the scope of being as reductive 84 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:46.680 as possible and simply saying, NFL talent evaluators did not 85 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:49.199 evaluate him as high as we thought on one net 86 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:51.439 of the spectrum all the way to the other, which 87 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:55.400 is sandbagging interviews, the circus follows him around. 88 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:57.240 They don't want to deal with the chaos. 89 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:01.120 What have you landed on as exactly why he fell 90 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:02.080 as far as he did. 91 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:04.759 I think it is actually a little bit more of 92 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:08.400 the latter there. And you know, when you're a quarterback 93 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:12.400 that NFL teams believe can be truly franchise caliber, like 94 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:16.839 when you have the overall talent, like the arm talent, 95 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:20.279 the mobility, it's just the production everything when you check 96 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:25.759 all the boxes. NFL teams are certainly willing to take 97 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:27.839 a chance on you because of what you be for 98 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:30.480 their franchise. But I think that it was a combination 99 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.360 of the fact that most teams in the league didn't 100 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:37.399 view him as a first round caliber talent, and then 101 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:40.240 when you thought of that, well, okay, now we're drafting 102 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:42.639 him outside of the first round. Now we've got to 103 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:45.000 think about, okay, well, what if this guy ends up 104 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.680 being our backup? What if he's in a quarterback competition. 105 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.199 What if he gets in a quarterback competition with somebody, 106 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:52.279 we give the job to the other guy. Let's say 107 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:54.680 he beats him Mountain training camp, and then the second 108 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.079 that the other guy that we chose throws a bad pass, 109 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:00.319 the fan base is going to be all over us, 110 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.160 make it like telling us that we should start Shador, 111 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:05.079 and then there's all sorts of questions and all that. 112 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:07.040 So I think it is a little bit of a 113 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:09.480 combination of all of those things. But I'll tell you 114 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:13.319 that that last part that you mentioned, the media circus 115 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.839 that will be around him, the attention that he's gonna bring, 116 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:19.240 And I feel bad for Shador in a little bit because, yeah, okay, 117 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.000 part of its just the lifestyle and being Dion's kid, 118 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:24.639 and that's just what comes with it. But some of 119 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.399 that is not necessarily chosen on him. He could sit 120 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:29.279 here and be like, no, like, I don't care about 121 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.360 the cameras. I don't want to care about the cameras. 122 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:35.279 I'm just here to play football. But unfortunately that reality 123 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:37.360 does not exist for him. Even if he were to 124 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:39.839 sit here and say that out loud, that's no longer 125 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.079 an option. And the reality of it is is that 126 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:44.959 wherever he was going to go, you know, speaking of 127 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:47.360 him being in Cleveland now, it's going to be the 128 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:48.959 talk of the offseason. It's going to be the talking 129 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:50.759 training camp, it's gonna be the talk of his entire 130 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:53.279 rookie year, whether he's a starter or not. And I 131 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:57.399 think that NFL teams just hate dealing with that with 132 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:00.920 a backup potent, with a potentially backup quarterback or QB 133 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:01.680 two on the roster. 134 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:02.680 One more thing here. 135 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:05.160 I'm sure you're just so sick of dealing with these 136 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:09.120 questions every day you do these hits. But I just wonder, Trevor, 137 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:11.000 do you think his dad did him a bit of 138 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.279 a disservice? You know, Dion was a little bit front 139 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:17.560 facing initially about you know, maybe we'll get involved about 140 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:21.160 where he plays, and even alluding to an Eli Manning 141 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.120 type situation. And look, a lot of people have said, well, 142 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:26.720 Dion used to sandbag interviews, so. 143 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:28.199 If she did it like, it's different. 144 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:30.519 Dion's the best cornerback, one of the that we've ever 145 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:34.240 seen play like, They're just different talents, right, So throughout 146 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.360 the process, do you think his dad may have done 147 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:37.920 him a little bit of a disservice here? 148 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.519 Yeah? And you know, Schudor said this when he was 149 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:44.160 at the Shrine Bowl, and I do agree with him 150 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.079 to a certain extent. Yeah, people were asking about his 151 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:49.560 dad and it was a little bit of the same 152 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:52.000 kind of question that you just asked here, and his 153 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.279 dad being involved in decisions and being very front facing 154 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.000 and famous and being a part of all of this, 155 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:59.800 and you know, Chador kind of with a smile, he said, like, 156 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.199 I know having a supportive parent was a bad thing, 157 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:03.959 and you know part of me, you know, I chuckled 158 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:05.240 when he said that, because I was like, all right, 159 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:07.519 that's actually, you know, that's a pretty good comeback for it. 160 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.600 And I do understand that in ways. But I think 161 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:13.360 the answer to your question has to be yes, because 162 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:17.319 very clearly this is a reason why he dropped as 163 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:19.759 far as he did. You know, again, not being a 164 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:23.639 first round talent. Okay, I think that just overall physical 165 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:27.079 ability or lack thereof, is why he might not have 166 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:30.120 been a first round talent. But then the reason why 167 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:31.800 he dropped all the way to the fifth round on 168 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:35.319 day three, I think is a lot of that notoriety 169 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:37.839 and Dion's a big part of that of what has 170 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:41.079 been how front facing the Sanders family has been. So 171 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:43.079 I'm not gonna sit here and say that it's all 172 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:46.720 bad again. I like the fact that Dion wants the 173 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.759 best for his son and that he was very bold 174 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.279 and brash about that. But with him not being a 175 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.279 first round talent, like you said, it's different if you 176 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:59.399 were as talented as Dion Sanders was when when he 177 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.600 was coming out, Chador very clearly was not viewed that 178 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:06.240 same way, and so instead now it just looks a 179 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.319 little bit more like a negative telling the NFL, well, 180 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.199 we're gonna hijack the process for lack of a better term, 181 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:15.560 and say, like you know, like the Mannings did, and say, 182 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:17.439 all right, well, if you draft him, he's not gonna 183 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:20.560 play for you. The NFL hates that. The NFL hates 184 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.839 when you try to try to push to put them 185 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:24.959 in a corner and try to take any sort of 186 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:27.319 power and decision making away from them. And we know 187 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:29.759 that from other examples we have seen throughout the years. 188 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:35.039 So unless you are incredibly talented, it's always a very 189 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:38.480 dangerous card to play when you start doing stuff like 190 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:41.320 that like Dion has done over the past year, year 191 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:41.759 and a half. 192 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:43.639 All right, let's move off to Shador now. 193 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.440 And you know Jackson Dard played his high school football 194 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:50.519 about twenty miles where the studio is South Corner Canyon, 195 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:52.639 and he ends up being QB two and he goes 196 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:54.919 to the Giants at twenty five, the trade back in 197 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:57.159 the first round to get him. What do you make 198 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:58.720 of that, Trevor, And what sort of future do you 199 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:00.799 think Jackson Dart has with the Giants are just in 200 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:01.919 pro football in general? 201 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:04.600 Yeah, so this is this is a pick that's made, 202 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:06.519 you know, from arm talent, right. I mean like this 203 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:09.679 is somebody who clearly, the Giants being one of those 204 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:12.279 teams that thought he was worthy of a first round selection, 205 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:14.600 a late first round selection. Now obviously they didn't take 206 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:17.519 him at number three overall, but they feel like like 207 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:19.960 it was worth it to go up and get him 208 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:21.960 at the back end of the first round. And look, 209 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:25.480 look he you know, very high deep passing grade in 210 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:28.600 our system over the last couple of years, not afraid 211 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:30.879 to throw it deep down the field, not afraid to 212 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:35.159 stretch it, and you know he will attempt the throws 213 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.399 in my opinion, that you need to make to win 214 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:39.799 football games. Now I get a little bit concerned of 215 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:41.559 what he is going to be outside of the Lane 216 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:44.679 Kiffin system, because we have seen quarterbacks that Lane has 217 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:48.039 coached throughout college and Lane's job is to win football 218 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:51.440 games at the college level, not necessarily to coach them 219 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:54.039 and make them the best prospects for the NFL. So 220 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:56.559 Lane's trying to do his job, and he's trying to 221 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.440 simplify the games for them to win college football games. 222 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:01.559 But you see at the end of games. You know 223 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:04.080 that Florida game is a great example, you start to 224 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:06.240 get away from the script. You start having to push 225 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:08.480 the ball deep down the field. He's got to redefenses 226 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:10.879 a little bit more, and he really struggled and he 227 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.320 really put the ball in harm's way. So he is 228 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:16.519 somebody who is young. He is talented, but he is 229 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.480 still somebody that has a ways to go before he 230 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:23.120 is a successful and I would say efficient NFL quarterback. 231 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:25.480 But I do like his landing spot with Brian Dable, 232 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:27.519 a coach I really respect in this league. 233 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:30.000 Give me your thoughts on what the Browns decided to 234 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:32.799 do it too by trading away the pick so Jacksonville 235 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:35.639 could take Travis Hunter. I mean, I've read a lot 236 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:38.240 and heard a lot of takes where people like both 237 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.759 sides of the deal. It just it feels like Travis 238 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:43.639 is such a unique prospect that the Browns are taking 239 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:45.519 a risk, even though they got quite a bit in return. 240 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:49.120 What do you make of the Browns Jacksonville Jacksonville deal? 241 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:49.919 Excuse me two? 242 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:53.960 Yeah, you know, I like Mason Graham a lot, one 243 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:56.279 of my top five graded players that I had in 244 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.639 the class, and so very high on my big board. 245 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:00.840 I think he could be a successful pro w in. 246 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:03.120 Anytime you get to trade down, get an extra first 247 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:05.600 round pick and get a player like that, it's hard 248 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:10.200 to consider that a loss, And yet I kind of 249 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:12.879 do not in a big way, obviously, because I think 250 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:14.960 they still got a good player, and obviously getting an 251 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:18.120 extra first round or is huge for next season, especially 252 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:20.840 knowing that they weren't to invest in a quarterback in 253 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:23.519 this draft the way that you primarily do. I know 254 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:26.000 they drafted Gabriel and Sanders a little bit later, but 255 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.000 that wasn't until the back end of the top one 256 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:30.879 hundred and then obviously in the fifth round. So instead 257 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:34.600 I look at this situation and I go, man, Travis 258 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:38.000 Hunter's been my wire to wire prospect, number one overall 259 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:40.799 player in this entire class. And I think that we 260 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:43.840 throw around the term generational way too much. It gets 261 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:47.360 way overused. It does not have the meaning that it 262 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:50.519 used to. But all that being said, if there was 263 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:52.320 a guy from this class that you would bet on 264 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:55.960 being generational, it'd be the guy that's been a incredible 265 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:59.320 two way starter in Travis Hunter. And I don't know 266 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:01.120 if he's gonna play both sides of the ball full 267 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:02.759 time in the NFL. It doesn't seem like it. It 268 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:04.639 feels like Jacksonville is going to use him just more 269 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:07.200 as a wide receiver. But the guy's got the ability 270 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.399 to do both. That's generational. That's what we're talking about 271 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:13.679 when we talk about once in a generation type of talent. 272 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.320 I think he's an unbelievable player. I think he's so 273 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:18.919 natural for this game, and it's hard for me to 274 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:23.080 even with trading back getting extra first and drafting Mason Graham, 275 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:27.559 who I like, I still think Jacksonville actually got the 276 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:29.919 better side of that trade with the player that they acquired. 277 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:32.519 The answer to this question might be simple. 278 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.759 It could be Travis Hunter, But in ten years, Trevor, 279 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.000 who's the one prospect at any position that will stand 280 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:40.679 out above the rest from this draft? 281 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:43.279 I do think that it's Travis Hunter. I've got to 282 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:44.799 stay true to my board there, and I think the 283 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:48.039 reason why is it's not just the natural gifts that 284 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:51.080 he has physically as an athlete, how quick he is, 285 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:56.320 how explosive he is. He is a football player, not 286 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:58.919 to demean any other part of who he is as 287 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.120 a person, but like the raise, you were born to 288 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.440 be a football player. I mean that is Travis Hunter. 289 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:06.279 He's been the most talented player and basically every single 290 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:08.960 field he's ever laced up and touched. And I think 291 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:10.919 that that's even going to be the case in the 292 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.080 NFL in a couple of years with how good this 293 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:15.759 guy is. So I just watch him and it's not 294 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.480 just the athletic gifts that he has, it's the way 295 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:21.840 that he approaches the game, It's the natural instincts, it's 296 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:25.559 such high football IQ. This guy is just He's been 297 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:27.679 so much fun to watch over the last couple of years, 298 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:30.600 and so I have to say him for those reasons. 299 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:34.120 We didn't have a ton of local players off the board, 300 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:36.919 which is rare with the evolution of Utah football and 301 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:40.919 BYU typically with players drafted. The highest local player off 302 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:43.720 the board was Jalen Royals from Utah State to the Chiefs. 303 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:44.840 What do you make of that selection? 304 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:48.480 I mean, he should have been drafted two rounds higher. Honestly, 305 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.279 I think the Jalen Royals is awesome. He was a 306 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:54.919 top ten wide receiver for being this class. The reason 307 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:59.200 why he dropped so low, I guess is because teams 308 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:03.039 don't believe in the play speed. I mean, he's kind 309 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.799 of one of those wide receivers that unless you really 310 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:08.519 watch some of his best plays and appreciate what he 311 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:11.480 can do, sometimes his tape is a little boring. And 312 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.519 I mean that in the best way. He kind of 313 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.279 just does everything well and you're waiting for a little 314 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:18.399 bit of pop moments from him, and I think this 315 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.639 past season you didn't see a ton of that, but 316 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:22.279 you know what you saw all the way in between. 317 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:24.919 It's damn good wide receiver, a really good football player, 318 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:27.200 somebody who I think the Chiefs got an absolute steal in. 319 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:29.519 So he is somebody who I think, yeah, I should 320 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:32.279 have been drafted at least around maybe two earlier than 321 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:35.759 where he was picked for Kansas City because I just 322 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:37.600 think that he is a rock solid player. 323 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:39.159 Since we are the home of the youth, so I'll 324 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.639 ask you about the only youth drafted, and I'll understand 325 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:43.559 if you haven't seen a ton of tape, because there's 326 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:44.159 not a lot. 327 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:46.200 Of tape on Caleb Blana the football player. 328 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:49.600 There's a lot of tape on Caleb Loana the basketball player. 329 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:52.799 But he goes to the Broncos in the seventh round. Trevoren, 330 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:55.200 you know as well as anybody the history of basketball 331 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:58.960 players translating into football as tight ends, and there's a 332 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.399 lot of good ones. So you make some space for 333 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:03.919 what the Broncos can do to kind of develop Caleb Loaner. 334 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:06.759 Yeah, not just the history of doing it, but this 335 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:09.320 exact coach doing it right. I mean, Sean Payton. Look 336 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.320 at what he did with Jimmy Graham. And I'm not 337 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:14.720 saying that Caleb Loaner is the next to Jimmy Graham 338 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:18.039 quite yet, but this is a coach who, if Loaner 339 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:19.960 was going to go anywhere, this is the this is 340 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:21.720 the place I would want him to go. This is 341 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:25.159 somebody who understands, you know, the transition that it takes 342 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:28.320 from being a hardwood star on onto the gridiron. And 343 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:31.440 I just I think so highly of Sean Payton and 344 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.039 how creative he is, how open minded he is, how 345 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.960 constantly willing he is to lean into his players strengths 346 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.600 and put them in positions to succeed. And so you're right, 347 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:45.519 Loaner is not a player who I watched much of. 348 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.399 I really watched the highlights kind of after he got drafted, 349 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:50.320 because I, you know, was learning about him and his 350 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:53.480 basketball background and all of that. But it is somebody 351 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.159 who can be a red zone weapon for you. Has 352 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:59.080 a big catcher radius, athletic guy who go above the rim, 353 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:02.080 full pun intended when he gets to the NFL. So 354 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:04.480 I think that it's a great spot where he landed. 355 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:06.039 A couple of minutes left, I'm going to ask you 356 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:08.080 about some teams that seem to draw a lot of 357 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:10.480 interest around here, and I will be selfish as a 358 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:13.600 lifelong New York Jets fan and ask you about your 359 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:15.600 take on what my Jets were able to do or 360 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.000 maybe not able to do during the draft process. 361 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.159 I think that their first street selections were rock solid. 362 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.159 I think that armand Membu gives him a very solid 363 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:28.320 starting five up front, which he loved, whether it's for 364 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:31.000 Justin Fields this upcoming season or whoever's going to be 365 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:33.720 the quarterback for them in the long term. I like 366 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:36.879 Mason Taylor obviously attacking a big area of need. There 367 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:39.000 was talk of them making a splash a tight end 368 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.480 at number seven. They end up going with him in 369 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:43.200 the second round, so I think that that is a 370 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:45.639 very solid pick there, kind of a funny pick with 371 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.440 his dad being such a hated player rival with the 372 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.399 Jets and the Dolphins, but now he's with the New 373 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.200 York Jets. There, I think gari A Thomas, the corner 374 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.519 from Florida State, is somebody who is just going to 375 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:00.200 be an Aeron Glenn disciple. I think that he his 376 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.440 preferred play style is that pressman coverage, and Aaron Glenn 377 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:05.319 knows it very well. I think he's going to take 378 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:07.480 his Aria Thomas under his wing and he's going to 379 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:09.640 expect a lot of things from him. Outside of that, 380 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:12.279 didn't really like their draft after that. I thought it 381 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:13.640 was a lot of reaches. I thought it was a 382 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:15.759 lot of guys that were okay that maybe they're just 383 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:19.119 leaning on them because they love something in particular about him. 384 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.240 But I felt as though the rest of the draft 385 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:23.480 was a lot of reaches. It wasn't my favorite, but hey, 386 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:26.119 if you nail those first three picks, that's really what 387 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:27.359 matters most. To my opinion. 388 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:29.880 A lot of Niners fans are out here the second 389 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:32.920 time in Niners history that they used their first five 390 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:35.000 picks on the defensive side of the ball. 391 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:35.640 What do you make of what? 392 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:41.200 John Lynch, did you know this was my least favorite draft. 393 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:45.440 I have to admit it. I am not the biggest 394 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:48.079 Michel Williams fan. I understand why they went that direction 395 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:50.559 on defensive line. They're trying to get better in run defense, 396 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:53.279 and Mikel Williams is the heck of a run defender, 397 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:55.519 but I had him ranked thirty eighth on my board. 398 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:57.599 I thought he was more of a fringe late first 399 00:17:57.640 --> 00:17:59.880 early second round pick. Not sure he's going to do 400 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.000 up into the pass rusher that you want him to be, 401 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:05.359