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it's a big Uncle Sweet Tea hosting this is a
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I'm not joined by Wolfy and Karlin as usual. I
am joined by Ryan Say hello, Ryan, Hello, Challenge, Welcome back,
Welcome back Rave reviews from your last appearance. Here you
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Speaker 2: I like by Rave reviews. You mean one comment on
Facebook comment it was pretty crazy.
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And Carlyn are off abandoning the show again because they
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think that this is our last episode of our last
season of the Challenge ever, so we've got two more
episodes of Challenge. You probably shouldn't join the Patreon.
Speaker 2: Why would you?
Speaker 1: At this point we're almost dead and with that on
the show right, how are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing really good. I thought, like until the intro
it was really exciting. It was a great episode. And
I have to remind you you told me this yourself.
You've been predicting the end of the challenge for what
two three seasons now, since thirty nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought thirty nine would be the last, and
now here we are ending forty one. So yeah, that
means not the greatest predictor so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't listen to this guy. He's I don't know
if you're hoping it ends or maybe it's like reverse
psychology on beuni Mer, whatever it is. I say, keep
it going, though, because each season's gotten better since you
started saying that.
Speaker 1: Dude, You're not lying. This season is the best season
that I can remember. Like, it's a really solid season.
I think all the players are great. It's been really fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. I think it's the best one
since maybe War of the World's too, and there's been
like good moments since then, and I really actually liked
forty but I think that this is quite a bit
better than forty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is fantastic. Mendy says that CT
has been gearing up for forty two and are there
are signs that forty two might happen. I guess they're
doing availability calls now to shoot forty two in February.
But I don't have much helpe for that. We'll see,
we'll see.
Speaker 2: I don't know the stuff that I've heard about it,
and I'm not like super in tune or anything. I
get asked to be on this podcast. I think just
because we've made friends, not because I'm like some insiders information.
But you're not.
Speaker 1: Wait you're not. Yeah, misrepresented yourself though, you really misrepresented yourself.
Speaker 2: I've got a good resume. GPT really does me? Does me?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Uh? They're talking to everybody like if they do forty two,
it really has the potential to be the the best cast,
like since the Golden era, you know, the very beginning
when we think about those guys and if they manage
to land, you know, CT Johnny and Wes comes back
and they bring in like I've heard Nelson might be
a player like Charel. That cat would be crazy Coral.
If Coral comes back, that's a game changer by itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been talking about Coral and Korl has been
doing like social media stuff, but she hasn't done in
a million years, So I think Coral might be in
if they're going to do it.
Speaker 3: So we'll see.
Speaker 1: And even Bananas says that if they do forty two,
that might be the last hurrah, like that's they've really
got to do good on that one. So we'll see, man,
we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's forty two. Well we're still talking forty
one right now. This is season forty one, episode seventeen.
This one is called ten Goes Down. We start the
episode like we start every episode. Mikaeln and Cedric, they're
the winners of the last elimination. They're walking back in
the house, but they are kind of disheartened. They think,
really they're going to go in every time now, which
they probably are, and they're kind of gearing up for that.
And THEO is talking about the Super Alliance and how
it's been like such a small group of people battling
the Super Alliance the whole season, and the Super Alliance
has been disassembled now that the smaller Alliance is actually
the majority Alliance.
Speaker 2: I don't get this, Like, am I the only one
who doesn't remember it? This way, they're claiming that the
UK Alliance, like that side of the house was only
ever THEO and his partner, Olivia her partner, and Anissa
and her partner. That's not true. When they started, and
and it's been so long now, I can't remember, they
didn't even start as partners, did they They were like rotating,
they didn't have like a long term partner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're right, and it was most.
Speaker 2: People, right, That's what I was going to say.
Speaker 1: Yes, we called it the British Alliance because it was
all the British people and the only one I remembered.
Speaker 2: The numbers, if I recall, they had the numbers, or
they at least had the more established, larger alliance for
like the first four or five.
Speaker 1: Episodes pretty much during Remember that when the season started,
Olivia was the main villain. And Olivia has faded back
into the background because she was irrelevant and didn't do much,
and now THEO has emerged as the villain. But yeah, Ryan,
you're exactly right. It was, yeah, the Brits, and so
that this this infographic was not represented properly. But I
will give THEO this that THEO and Adrian have had
the roughest time to the finale. They've been going, They've
been thrown in four times, and they've like they they
did turn this around. They turned the minority alliance into
the majority alliance. Doesn't matter how you phrased it, you
know how it started. I really do think they did.
Speaker 2: That, no doubt, no doubt. And maybe they're just really
looking at it since part like season, you know, remaining
remainder of the season or whatever partnership from that point
moving forward when they picked their final partner or whatever,
like maybe at that point they were in the minority
and so they had they definitely have had an uphill battle,
and it's really a pretty incredible season. We see frequently
players who go in three or four times early in
the season and eventually they lose and go home, and
they might have a winning streak, but it's rare that
they stick around long enough to either stop getting voted
in like maybe Wes and Casey and Fresh Meat one
when you guys did that one recently, or in this case,
they just won until they were at the end of
the season and they actually are going to make the final.
Is it's especially with Adrian, like she really is underrated.
I still think she's going to be like underrated going in.
I still think they're the least favorite to win. But
there's no denying. Like you said, they changed the game
if they would have lost at any point. The whole
setup of the final Who's there is different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Yes, And I think THEO is one
of the main rock stars of the season. He's fucking
killed it as the villain. He's a great villain. He's
funny and personal and charming still but an asshole and
I just love it. Like you know, THEO was sort
of like, I didn't care much about THEO before this season,
but I love THEO now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his comeback is kind of strange because he was
I really liked him early for the same reasons you're
saying the fights with Pauli. He was kind of head
honcho of the brit Alliance and War of the World's too,
and even the wrong side of that alliance if you remember,
he was getting thrown in by his own team over
and over. Yeah, but he when he came back after
the eye injury, he really fell out and hadn't been
very good for two or three seasons, and it's it's
nice to see him playing like himself and being, like
you said, a rock star again. And the villain factor,
like having somebody to root against, love to hate kind
of thing has been a difference maker. I love it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sort of rooting against THEO, but every time
he wins, I'm like, go THEO.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so if you remember, Aviv just went home,
so she wrote letters before she went home. She wrote
them to Jeamie and THEO. So we see some people
reading Aviv's letters.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: This annoyed me. I don't like a Viv anymore, and
so reading.
Speaker 2: Her letters bothered me. How did you feel about this? U?
I oops, I lost you? Where are you?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 2: You are? Oh?
Speaker 1: But now I can't hear your voice? You fucked something up?
Speaker 2: Nope? Can you hear me now? Yep? Sorry, I thought
I turned the mute on, but I turned it off,
and then when I thought I turned it off backwards.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't like Aviv at all. From the cedric BackRub
moving forward, I just felt like she is fake. I
thought when she came back, it was like, oh man,
we're getting an old school player who's playing old school ways.
She's real, honest, she doesn't know any better, and now
it's like conniving. She's mad at Nanny about this. Like
the letter shit, I hated it, hated the viv this season,
hated the letter same letters.
Speaker 1: I guess Will also wrote a letter. What the fuck
is up with writing letters all the time? This is
a new thing, those with these letters.
Speaker 2: I the last one I can remember was God, it
was like a love letter by somebody. Was it maybe
Hunter or something? Whenever he left, But it's always embarrassing,
like it got found by the guys instead of the
girl that he left it for, and they were making
fun of him. I wish I could remember who it was,
maybe Mendy or if anybody else is in the in
the chat?
Speaker 1: Was it Wasn't?
Speaker 2: Wasn't?
Speaker 1: Is that the one you're thinking of?
Speaker 2: Maybe it was the CJ letter It was to Ashley,
you're right, Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Yes, Ryan when he made fun of him too, Yeah
she did, and Ryan when she like that happens. I
hate myself, by the way, for like knowing that thing
that happened on a reality show ten years ago.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so.
Speaker 2: It's important, and I'm glad that you remembered it. CJ
was very cute during his two seasons or whatever.
Speaker 1: So dreamboat Resorge has as he did.
Speaker 2: You know he was like an NFL punter or something too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they talked about that when he did his
whole brawl against Zach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a crazy one. They I mean two
literal like collegiate level football players. And if I remember
didn't like CJ like ran through Zach. He jumped over Zach.
Speaker 1: He jumped over him. Oh shit, it was fucking sick, dude,
because he'd like CG is a big guy, but he
was forty pounds lighter or something Zach. Yeah, he fucking
just launched over, like on top of him.
Speaker 3: It was crazy.
Speaker 2: It was awesome. Yes, did Zach end up winning that?
He did, right, because that was the battle with the seasons.
Speaker 1: He did end up winning it. But CJ pulling out
the one out of three was super impressive and like
I can still like picture in my head. Yeah you
can't remember him.
Speaker 2: CJ. He was on can Kun right with John A
and Jasmine and Derren Jabos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, super white guy, blonde hair, muscular, athletic, just the
white guy, just like that can Ken, white guy, muscle,
muscle guy. That was who he was. I met him
in Nashville.
Speaker 2: Ah, really was he one of the Challenge the first
Challenge guy or the Challenge Mania event.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the Challenge Mania event. But he was a
surprise guest and he wasn't He wasn't there very long.
He didn't do like the meet and greet thing. He
was only you know, he just kind of showed up,
waved hello and got a few pictures.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: I didn't get a picture with him even man Jar Yeah,
uh all right. So we also read the Will letter.
Will wrote a letter. You believe that he knew enough
words to be able to write a fucking letter of
that dumbass.
Speaker 2: The worst I wish I would have been on the
last episode. God do I fucking hate him.
Speaker 3: He is awful. He's awful.
Speaker 1: This letter was awful. It was poorly written, with bad
grammar and I'm sure horrible handwriting, and just embarrassing. He
spent his whole letter kind of blaming Nanny and Justin
for the fact that Will got eliminated, not saying that
they had no part in his elimination.
Speaker 2: They did.
Speaker 1: But it's a game, Will, and you're really gonna write
your letter just blame everybody, weird, empathetic, didn't like this
all right? And really briefly, no, he does think that
Will should be mad at Cedric.
Speaker 3: Oh is that Joey?
Speaker 1: Is he mad at you?
Speaker 2: What is Na? He's muscling with the dog.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's not yelling at you, like hopefully not. Why
didn't you clean up your fucking dishes? Ryan?
Speaker 2: Wow, there's always that a little bit too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, all right, so he thinks or Nanny thinks
that Cedric should have given Will a heads up, and
so this was sort of Cedric's fault. What do you
think Ryan, should Cedric have given Will a heads up?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that the point is Mayor did,
like they had just had that conversation with Turbo. They
said it was the three of them. It seemed it
seemed like the nice thing to do. I mean, I
don't know, I'm back and forth. It's the challenge, right,
So if he chose to keep it to himself, I
don't think anybody can fault him, But in the context
of their like alliance friendship pack to make it to
the end, it seems like he probably would have. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do think this episode paints Cedric pretty poorly, and
I think he deserves it. We'll get to that. We'll
get to that later.
Speaker 2: They agreed.
Speaker 1: Justin, though, has a slight aside. And I gotta say,
for the most part, ninety five percent of me loves Justin.
I think he's what the challenge needs. I love his
like attitude and spirit. But he does throw in here
that he thinks Jermy played a bitch move by staking
a claim. Ryan, do you agree with Justin?
Speaker 2: They don't. I mean, I think that that was the
point of this opportunity in the game, was that if
you thought you were going to go in, or if
you thought you had a partner that wasn't going to
elevate you, that you stake a claim. It so happened.
It was at the end of the game, and it
had the potential to change the vote. I still don't
understand why the vote went like the second vote after
that went the way it did. But no, I I
came out of that situation with Jeremy liking him better,
thinking like, Okay, at least he's like fearless in some way.
Speaker 1: Totally, I did not think that was a bitch move
at all. I think staking a claim was a harder move, yes.
Speaker 2: And especially with a viv right, like they had a
great relationship.
Speaker 1: Yep, and it put near me in a slightly worse
or a harder position maybe, And like, this is not
a bitch move. I understand why. I understand why Justin
doesn't like it, but sure this was not a bitch move.
And I think it was the right move for Yearomi.
Speaker 2: And so can I go to last week too? So
when they came out of the claim or whatever and
they switched partners because Jarmi won, why was Jeremie and
Olivia not the vote? Like they still could have went
like they and they switched and they go after Aviv.
But the reason they were wanting to go after Jeromine
of eve in the first place was because of Jeerremy.
They were all afraid of the long distance run or
whatever he comes out of it. They still had a
they still had the advantage in the votes if they
wanted to, but they all got just so flustered that
nobody was willing to just vote for Jerremy and Olivia.
Speaker 1: It's because of Olivia, right, they didn't want to vote.
Speaker 2: For o Livia. But I mean it was Nanni who
had been working against Olivia, and who was the other
team I can't remember now? Was it Will? Like Will,
Will was ready to vote for Olivia, like I think
he even did, right.
Speaker 1: No, he voted for because Nonny hesitated in voting.
Speaker 2: For Will, right, right, right, right, Like he was ready
to vote for Olivia though, like he was ready to
turn on his ex partner. I just think it was
a mistake. They got caught up in the fighting. And
maybe this is Will's fault if he's like, hey, we
can still get out of this if we vote Jeamie
instead of coming at Nannie right and being a misogynistic GasHole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we'll never know how that worked out,
but yes, you don't have the same read on that.
Speaker 2: All right, So we're back to this episode, actually sorry.
Speaker 1: One of this episode, and it's it's barnight and so Sydney, Michaela,
and Turbo they're sitting around the table. Mikaela is talking
about the energy of the house shifting that after the
last vote. Now it seems like Mikaelaan and Cedric on
the outs, when Michaela thinks maybe they don't deserve to
be on the outs, and after this is just a
long Barnight of fighting. It seems like Mikayla and Cedric
versus everybody for the rest of this barnight situation.
Speaker 2: I love the I know that you're not a big
Barnight guy, But did you like this scene and Nannie
and calling out Michayla and this?
Speaker 1: I did because I love Mikayla. I love seeing her
fight with people. She's so like calm and level headed
and smart and I just really love Michayla and so yes,
I love seeing her fight. I think she fights cool,
like she's a cool fighter. I would hate to fight her,
but I like watching her fight other people.
Speaker 2: I feel like she lost. I'm a Mikayla fan too,
And I came out of this thinking it reminded me
of how when she gets called out she I think
she's so smart and her plans. When I was on
with you a couple of weeks ago, I kept saying
like this was like a flawless season. She really has
been in control without being the focal point. But this
was her getting put on front Street and now she
when she has to answer to it, I think she's defensive.
Like it reminded me of the couple times she got
caught out on Survivor that first season, specifically on the
challenge when she had like the list or whatever, where
it was just it was very evident that she was
playing the game, and it wasn't that she played it poorly,
but it was that secretive nature that had lent her
so well. This season, it was over and they were
like there was no way they weren't going in unless
they won. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I think that was true even before all of
these conflicts and stuff at the bar here, And I
think I agree with what you're saying Ryan, that I
would have more respect for Mikayla had she been sort
of unapologetic in this fight and.
Speaker 2: She was lying.
Speaker 1: She wasn't lying, but she also was arguing this weird
antic thing. It was like it was like in a
courtroom right where where Nanni is saying, you told me
to vote for Aviv and Michaela's saying, no, I didn't.
I didn't say to vote for Aviv. I said I
wanted a Eve in the elimination. And it sort of
is like that's semantics, Like that's just a difference of
like the words in a sentence, not the intention of
what you wanted. Yes, and so I think MICHAELA was
arguing a weird points here, and I don't agree with
Michaela's point, but I do like it was often that
MICHAELA would say, like, it's a vote, like I just voted,
and everybody was going to vote for Aviv anyway. I
just sort of gave them permission to do that. I
agree with Michaela. She's saying the right. I just wish
she owned it a little more.
Speaker 2: I that I think that that's exactly it. She came
off like she was trying to say I had nothing
to do with it. You guys voted her in. I
wasn't even there. But in the confessional, like when she
came back and they lost, she walks into the and
she says something to the effect of like gimme a
vive ye or it's time for Aviv and near me
or whatever. Yeah, and then in the confessional she's like,
everybody's gonna think that it's nanny and she's gonna go
tell THEO and this is what we're gonna do. But really,
this is what I want because it's time to do
it and he had to go, and that if she
says that, like, yes, we had the conversation. We knew
that it was time, like we had worked together as
far as we could owned it, like you said, But
she did in the confessional, and then when she's arguing,
she was acting like she was acting like she was
just a part of it, like I was going with
the flow. You guys wanted to hear, I mean a
viev I said that that was okay. It's like, nah, bitch,
you said you wanted them, You said you were pulling
the strings and nobody would know it was you. Turns
out they knew it was after all.
Speaker 1: Totally yes, And I do wish she owned it.
Speaker 3: I wish that she.
Speaker 1: Owned the move a little more than she did than
she does in public. But if that's the worst I
could saybout Mikayl, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: I love Mikayla.
Speaker 1: I think Cedric fucked this up. Though Cedric was on
his back heels too much, too much. He happened, and
he sounded real stupid a few times. And I do
think that he just over extended himself. I don't think
he's I think he made too many promises without the
intention of backing them up, and I don't think that's
a bad I think that that's like we've seen other
players do that, right, We've seen like Kyle do that
and Corey when it was his first couple of seasons.
You're just sort of blind man, and so if people
come and offer you something, you just say okay, you
shake their hand. And I really do think that's what
Cedric did. He said okay a lot and shook a
lot of hands with no real intention of following through.
I don't think that it makes him a bad guy,
just an inexperienced player.
Speaker 2: I totally agree, and I think, like so Cedric, My
problem with it is, and I think what the house
kind of said too, was that he walks around and
he's I don't drink. I tell you the truth. I'm
reading my Bible all the time. Like you can be
a Christian and play the game, Like I can believe
you can be an ethical person. Whether Christianity has anything
to do with that or not, as you know, up
to the person, but I believe you can be a
truth teller and play the game. It's the same thing
as if you go on Survivor like you're going to
play the game. Part of it is lying. That's fine,
But he was walking around saying he wasn't doing that.
And then when it comes out that you are doing that,
like whether you meant to or you're in experience, like
you're saying, you are making a claim that you're being
like this straightforward player, and that for sure was not
what he was doing. And I don't know for both
of them. I think that this is what elevates the players,
like a Bananas or like a West, or like a Laurel,
or like a cam even though she hasn't won, is
that they make moves and then they own them and
they go through and they can claim them. And yes,
they try to work stuff behind the scenes a lot
of the time, but if it push comes to shove,
they know that owning them is going to at least
give them like credibility in the house versus Nanni screaming
in your face and saying she's gonna beat your ass
and take you a hell or whatever it was. She
was sad.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we're saying the same things here. And I
think Cedric. I like Cedric a lot, and I want
to like him. He's a very likable person. He fucked
up this episode. It's hard to justify the sort of
shit that he did. But Cedric come back next season
do better, because I don't think it's mean spirited. I
don't think he's in I think it's just mistakes. I
think it's gameplay mistakes that maybe he'll correct next time. Yeah,
but I like this a lot because as they're fighting
as this, I rewind a little bit, Sidney and MICHAELA
are still fighting, and I like that Turbo is just
like taking none of this shit. Turbo says Sidney. He
doesn't give a fuck speaking about Yeermy, he says, Sidney
Yery doesn't give a fuck. Why do you care? This
is not your fight? It's true, right, Jearmy is sitting
there saying exclusively saying like, I don't give a shit
that I was thrown in.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: I understand why I was or why I was, you know,
focused in on this elimination. And Mikayla's right. The only
person in the house that should be upset about this
is Yearmy Yearmy is not upset about this. Therefore, nobody
should be upset about this. I think Mikayla's right about this, right,
don't you?
Speaker 2: I mostly do. I get that what they're mad about
is that she surprised that I don't know, she really
didn't have a lot to do with the surprise, and
that the vote and their mind changed so they didn't
get what they all collectively wanted. But everybody who's there,
who's fighting is still motherfucking there. So you're mad that
Will went home, Like is this Nanny's heartbreak just showing
itself in a different way. I don't know. The Sydney thing,
like I'm team Turbo this episode, I'm with what like
all of the claims and stuff like, it becomes a
little bit weird that Sydney saying the ship that she
says after seeing the way that she was acting with
Turbo later in the episode. I'm sure we'll talk about it,
but even her part of this now like she was
into Jeremie, is that that it feels like that was
actually her boyfriend at home. Should not be worried about Turbo,
but should be worried about Yemy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Turbo is worried about Jeermi and maybe the
same capacity. Yeah, I know, but Turbo says like I
just don't care about this drama, Like I just want
to go win the final. I don't give a shit,
So he goes and plays pack man. He lets the
rest of the people fight. I would be with Turbo
in this fight. I'd be like, yeah, dude, let's play
pac man. I bet I could win. I bet I
could win. That might be the only game in the universe.
I could beat Turbo.
Speaker 2: I have what he was doing. I saw him on
like level seven or something.
Speaker 1: He was in man, he was focused. He was dialed
in for sure. Yeah, all right, so anyway, Barney, Barney, Barney, Yeah,
so yeah. Nanni comes in. She interrupts the Sydney and
michaela fight. She goes crazy too, and year Me says
that Nanni is scary, amazing, and crazy. I agree. She
seemed all three of those.
Speaker 2: What a superstar. Nannie was great, oh Man, TV gold.
She was back to her old self. I think that
we can confirm that MTV needs straight version of Nanni,
because lesbian Nanni is super boring, doesn't do anything, and
straight Nanni is so good. She's on fire.
Speaker 1: We got to get that girl a cup of noodles. Man,
and Cedric is calling out Nannie because Nanny's throwing a
fit because and it's all about Will, right, She's all
She's worried that Will is going to think poorly of
Nanny back at home, and Cedric just interrupts this whole thing,
and he's just like Nanni, you voted for Will, Like
you can blame whatever you want, but you voted for him.
You are part of what made it a tie that
then ended up throwing him in, Like you could have
saved him and didn't. Cedric is right, right.
Speaker 2: Holy, Like, at what point there has to be they
voted for each other, Like what the fuck is going on?
And they're mad at I don't know, this is none
just being crazy. Like she starts off with a point,
and I think that there is a little bit of
a point in there, but yeah, she loses her mind.
She voted for him, like Cedric is fully right.
Speaker 1: So her little bit of a point is that Cedric
should have told Will that he was going to be staked.
Do you agree, Ryan, should Cedric have told Will that
he was gonna be be going into elimination or not?
Speaker 2: I think Cedric would have if he was left to
his own devices, And MICHAELA said, nah, we're playing smart
and keeping everything close to our best. Do I think
he should have? Like, in the context of the game, No,
I don't he should have, but it may have even
worked out better to their advantage. If he would have,
they might not have been in the crosshairs come this situation.
Like they lost so it didn't matter, but it might
have saved them. I don't know that this is tough.
Do you think he should have?
Speaker 1: I think you are reading the situation exactly as I did.
I think Cedric is taking cues from Mikayla, and Mikayla
is saying Cedric, don't say anything, and so he's not
I think gameplay wise, like just game like excluding friendships
and exterior relationships all that shit. Mikayla's right, once you
start factoring in like the politics and all that stuff,
it's a little it's a little harder. And yeah, I
think I think Cedric probably should have warned Will.
Speaker 2: I sort of lean that same way. I hate saying that, like,
because I think that dishonesty to whatever degree is a
part of the game and a necessary part of the
game to you know, skew numbers or votes or whatever.
But in this situation, it seems like it would have
been not only the right thing to do, from like
the friendship long term part of their alliance or whatever,
but also just for like where they stood in the game.
I think that it would have benefited them for him
to say that to Will. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. And I do blame Michaela
for this because I think that she was directing him
to not say anything, But I have no evidence of that.
Speaker 2: Well, she's very tight, lift I would say, your evidence
is her the history of her gameplay, and she is
always a we're going to do this, but we're going
to keep it to ourselves kind of thing, which is
a little weird because earlier in the season we definitely
applauded her for being bold and like saying her decisions
at you know, the tribal or whatever the fuck they're called.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, all right, so they keep fighting blah blah
blah blah blah, it doesn't really matter. The one thing
that I thought was interesting is that Nannie is basically
throwing anything she can at Michayla, and Michayla is just
deflecting it awesomely. I love that Nanny starts approaching her
and Michayla just keeps saying like stop, stop, stay back there,
stay back there, stay back there. I thought that was
really cool. And then at one point Nanni started yelling
like you used people to get where you are, and
Michayla said, name one, tell me who I've used, and
Nanny had nothing to say, which I thought was really
interesting too. But the fight is not solved. Nobody wins,
even though I think Michayla wins, but doesn't matter. The
next day we're on to the challenge Toha. Pretend like
I played the Bump Lenge Ryan. This game is called
Global Exchange. How do you play this game?
Speaker 2: So I don't. I didn't entirely get the orientation of
the maps, but there's a series of maps with different
countries on them. Some of the countries will align with
the map in front of you, so it was like
different sort of sections of the globe, and you had
to match as many countries to that area as you could.
And then, from what I gathered and maybe helped me
with this, but they could take up to two countries
with them, one per player to the next set of
maps to potentially use, you know, somewhere else because they
didn't belong with the portion of the map that they
were actually like stuck to or whatever. Then they did
that for TJ said the most the fastest, but it
seemed like they all just stayed and played until time expired,
and it turned out to be whoever had the most countries. Correct,
But I guess the tiebreaker would have been whoever got
the most countries the earliest, if they would have been tied.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Sums it up. So as they're doing their sort of
like pregame interviews, Nannie says that she's very confident because
she's traveled a lot, She's done a lot of these challenges,
She's been all over the globe. She's right, she has
done of those things, so she's confident. We see Jearimi
talking about Olivia as a partner, saying, and he's standing
right next to Olivia during this. He says he's confident
Olivia is a great partner. He feels like they're going
to do well that day, and Olivia is just sort
of like, Wow, I can't believe I have a partner
of that believes in me.
Speaker 2: Is this not what we said earlier in the season.
If she would have had somebody who is just mildly supportive,
yet the entire outlook would have been different. It just
proves that Will was the cancer of the team.
Speaker 1: It's clear watching it, Yes, it's super clear. And then
going from Will, who is probably like the worst, most selfish,
like fucking narcissistic player ever, to Jeermy, who is like Superman.
He's like a fucking Golden Retriever puppy dog Superman guy. Yeah, Olive,
he's got to be feeling pretty good about this partner
switch up.
Speaker 2: And what a what a win for her, And she
seemed like she was pissed when.
Speaker 1: It happened, so she goes into that a little bit.
She she just didn't like being surprised. I don't have
any social media posts, but she does say via social media, like,
of course, I was thrilled to have Jeremy. I didn't
like the chaos. But Jeermy's a great partner, better than Will,
Like for sure.
Speaker 2: I like that. She says that still better than Will.
Speaker 1: Oh Man, it's so clear like Will is the worst man.
And Sidney is also very confident in her She calls
it a geographical genius. She speaks six languages apparently, like
Jesus Christ, this woman's nuts, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said she went to like she's been to
like sixty five countries or something. How many countries are there.
It's like starting to exceed. I thought I could name
like the thirty I think, dude.
Speaker 1: So okay, so we're starting this competition. Now there's thirty
two countries that they have to like point out on
a map. Some of them are obvious, right, like Brazil
and China and shit like that. But some, dude, I
couldn't get this shit, could you? How well would you
do on something like this?
Speaker 2: I would like to believe I would finish somewhere in
the middle of the pack. There were definitely ones that
I saw people seeming like they struggled with or didn't
place correctly, that I felt like I knew. But there
were many when I saw like lists of them that
I had absolutely no idea where they were at. Maybe
maybe I got the continent if I.
Speaker 1: Was lucky, dude, Yes, there are some of these that
I wouldn't have gotten the continent, like for sure, because
it even it even said one of them Guyana, I think,
And then THEO and Adrian were like, oh, yeah, that's
in Africa, and then it was a big like nope,
South America, and I was like, oh fuck, I thought
that was Africa too.
Speaker 2: I would have hit it I would have thought, gone,
it was I didn't even catch that in the episode.
I would have absolutely if you asked me this moment,
I would have said that it was Africa. There's just
some that I would try to take, like vernacular or
the spelling or whatever into consideration and place them that way.
But even that, that doesn't win you any points because
you could be on the wrong side of the goddamn continent.
Speaker 1: That's right, yes, And in this game, yeah, you could
be a mile down the track when you're like, got
to put the little label somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Well, they had the little arrows too. They made them
get really specific, Like there's been some of them where
they put the magnet and you could tell that they
were like, if you put it in Europe, you know,
southern Europe, you were getting it kind of thing. But
these they made them put the little arrows too, which
I really liked. But for sure added you know some nuance, Yes,
for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Cedric says kind of what I was thinking.
He said, like, I can get these big countries, but
you give me the little small countries with long news
and I'm lost. And yeah, that's kind of how I
feel about it.
Speaker 2: That's dout. Yeah, and he was in the military or
you know, the Marines or something, so he was traveling
and you would think would have to be kind of aware.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they have to I don't know if you
mentioned it, Ryan, but in between these maps, they have
to ride these BMX bikes.
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't say the bikes.
Speaker 1: Most people have no problem on the bikes.
Speaker 3: But THEO is six foot six.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, Ryan, two hundred and sixty pounds
like this, it's a large man. It's a large, large
man on this little BMX and he's like he's doing
all right, He's keeping.
Speaker 2: Up and he was moving. But when they showed the
one like close up like front on shot, and his
knees the entire time, even pedaling down were above the
bike handles, Like it's like, right, it's for us trying
to ride a kid's bike.
Speaker 3: It seriously is.
Speaker 1: Yes, Ryan, you're a tall guy too, right, are you
six ft plus?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Could you write a BMX now you think you do it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that I could. I don't know if
I would be I think I would have been like Adrian.
I would have been a little bit lobbly. But I
would like to think I could have done it.
Speaker 1: I would. I would ride it like THEO I think of,
Like I could write a BMX. I'm not worried about that,
but I would do it, like my legs would be
off to the side to avoid hitting the handlebars. I
would look like one of these like sloppy, uncoordinated people,
because how cool can you look on a bike like that?
Like you can't look cool.
Speaker 2: They're so little. They're smaller than I even would have thought,
like if it's a mountain bike or something, you know,
THEO probably would have looked like a normal person to
some degree. Yeah, but yeah, those little BMX bikes, I
guess to do tricks and stuff like. It was funny
TJ having a little bit of an element, or maybe
they considered him because he's just has no involvement in
the production aspect. But this being a BMX thing, it
makes me think, like, is this the last season? Are
they doing like a little farewell tour? Like not to
TJ here, Yes.
Speaker 1: You might not be wrong. Yeah, so dude, I gotta
say I love I loved this game. Like it was
kind of a boring game, but they edited in a
really fun way with like the maps and everybody being
really confused, So I just have some some of their
favorite clips here. Sidney says, geography and cardio, this is
too easy, Uh, super SEXU When she says it like that,
really like Sydney.
Speaker 2: I struggle with her amazing people.
Speaker 3: Alexa shut up, Dang.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that you have ground noise like I've
had my dog barking and ship and Joey was yelling
either at me or the dog. And at least you
have Alexa. That makes me.
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I have like electronics that listen to
me all the time. It's ridiculous. I don't know who
says these phrases, but it doesn't really matter. Somebody says,
do you know where Iran is? And there's a very
strong nope. He's like super enthusiastic. We have Justin saying
like I wouldn't be able to do this with the
states in America much less like countries all over the world. Justin.
I love Justin too. Like every episode I love him
a little more.
Speaker 2: He's very fun. He seems to own like the shortcomings
and stuff, and that makes it a lot more fun
when you can make fun of yourself. We can all
kind of laugh about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very just honest about who he is. I
think somebody who I don't know says where the fuck
is Qatar, which that struck me as very funny.
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea where that one is? That
was one of the ones where I was like, never
even heard of it.
Speaker 1: Dude, Middle East, that's all I really know. Like, yeah,
I also can point to Iran, and it feels like
I should be able to do that, Like I know,
like I follow these things, but I don't look at
a map, you know. Yeah, so I think I would
with like Iran and Cutter and all these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of it. I would just try to find
the shape, Like I feel like I know what Iran
as shape like, but I couldn't. I know it's you know,
I know approximately where it's at. I would try to
find like Pakistan or something and like use that as
like my my central, my north star or whatever and
move from there. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I would do I would do really bad
at this game.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: We see Justin and Nanny and they are just doing poorly,
and I think they know it, like they're not. Nanni's
confidence has faded quickly. They know that they're like just
fucking this up. It's not going well for them. And
at one point Nanny places an arrow. She's like, is
that is that it? And Justin says like, yeah, that
looks cute there, Like who the fuck.
Speaker 2: Knows the cutest era. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So as they're finishing, Olivia says, you know, I hope
I did well, but I have no idea how well
I did. I didn't really do any on this challenge.
I just watched year Met fucking do all the work
because I don't know how.
Speaker 2: To do any of this.
Speaker 1: So Olivia was useless. So many of these players were useless.
Justin and Nanni they're pretty sure they've lost. Even in
confessionals and stuff. Nannie is like, yeah, we're gonna be
last place, Like I don't know any of these fucking countries.
How am I going to do this? So they're bracing
themselves for last place and sort of joking around, having
fun with it, not taking it too seriously. And I
like their dynamic during this whole game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. They we talked about chemistry. Maybe you
guys did last week the chemistry factor. There's a few
teams that were really strong, and Nanni and Justin seem
if they came back as a team like they would
be towards the end. Again they yeah, they work well together,
not obviously a challenge for their strengths, but yeah, I
like them a lot together.
Speaker 1: Yeah I do too. All right, Well, let's it for
the chack Llens. TJ calls everybody back to sort out
the winners and losers. The winners are Sydney and Turto
with twenty out of thirty two. I was kind of
surprised they didn't do better with how sy.
Speaker 2: Was talking about I thought too. Yeah, and I mean,
if so to all of Turbo's shortcomings as far as
like the international aspect and language barrier whatever that undeniably
anybody would face. You would think him being from Turkey,
like he would have better familiarity with the countries and
stuff in Europe and Eastern Asia. I guess like that
he would have really been like a help in that, Like,
I don't know, I would have thought they would have
done way better than that. Twenty is what I would
be hoping to get as someone who didn't know some
of the names of the countries that were presentcted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I kind of agree. Twenty seems like
an average score, which you know, I didn't play this game,
so I don't know how I would do, but twenty
doesn't seem outstanding to me. But they wanted I was twenty.
Speaker 2: How long do you think they had too, because they
sort of made it seem like at the beginning that
they would have the opportunity to be like done or
if they did you know, five laps or whatever, that
that was how many laps they got, and they could
be the first people to be done, but they just
blew the whistle or whatever and said it was over.
Was in an hour? Like? And how far was the
was the bike ride from one end to the other,
like that would help me understand if this was a
good score, like, or how many could they have possibly
gotten right on one map? Like how many countries were
even correct for the maps that were presented? Yep. I
hate that all of those details are just left to mystery,
and then we're supposed to be like, well, twenty was
like pretty good, I think, or maybe it wasn't or.
Speaker 1: Yep, fully, dude, no, I agree with you completely, And
we've talked about this a lot of the challenge or
unchallenged before where it's like more context is better and
I feel like in previous seasons they used to give
us more they would tell us how long this took
or you know, something otherwise. Yeah, it just feels like
this mystery bag of like twenty Like I guess that's good.
I don't know, because we don't know any better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, out of the thirty two countries, Sydney and
Turbo they win with twenty accurate. Olivia and Yeermie are
second place with eighteen, Theo and Adrian with eleven, and
then it's down to the last two. TJ says, we're
separated by one country. This is Noni, Justin and Mikayla
and Cedric And it's actually Mikayla and Cedric do the
worst with nine I'm sorry, eight countries. They are going
straight into elimination. Nannie and Justin come into the nine countries,
so they're safe as of now.
Speaker 2: Crazy and that's what we'd be embarrassed like that. It's
a core of the countries they could have gotten right.
Half of them were big countries, like we could see them,
we could have named them. In the thirty seconds we
got to actually see the maps.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I for sure saw Italy, which like every
fucking person should know Italy. Yeah, Brazil easy, like China,
Yeah there is, there's six. There's six or eight that
are sort of like you should get these absolutely gimmes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They mentioned Japan, they mentioned Great Britain. They there
were there were enough that are like island countries that
are independent only identified like if Australia or New Zealand
or Japan or like there eight seems I hope that
they only had like fourteen minutes or something to do
this challenge, because eight is truly pathetic for a couple
of people that I thought were like on the smarter
side of the house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And but here's the thing, Ryan,
I consider myself a smart person. I don't know geography
geography very well either, even like Cuba, I feel pathetic.
I don't think I could get Cuba.
Speaker 2: I really don't get Cuba. It's the only guy right
below the United States, So.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could get it. I don't think
I can get it because there's like Virgin Islands and
ship down there too. There's like a kind of.
Speaker 2: A lot of though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is the big one yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I really really think that you would be able to
get Cube. But like I just think Cuban crisis, if
it's that small, we're not that afraid, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1: No, And I know it's kind of like by Florida
because of the Cuban missile. So there's like things I know, Yeah,
but I don't know if I've ever like looked on
a map or given a ship.
Speaker 2: It is hard because there's pressure, right, Like I know
that I'm making this episode already take forever. We're halfway through.
It's already. That's like fucking crazy. Maybe look at the
TV they're on. They're into elimination right, how far off
we are? All right, I'm going to shut up. It's
it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Please take you way too long here?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Where am I?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: So they're talking about like the finals coming up and
blah blah blah blah blah. But the way that this
vote worked out because top team can't vote, so that's
Sydney and Turbo. Bottom team can't vote, that's Mikaela and Cedric,
so we're left with just the three, which are theod Adrian,
Olivia and Jeremie and Nanni and Justin. Those are the
only three they can vote. Obviously, THEO is not going
to vote for Olivia and vice versa, so it's gonna
be Nanni and Justin going in. There's really no fighting it.
It seems like even they realize what's up, and so
as they go into nominations, there's not really a fight.
It's just them sort of accepting their fate. It's all
kumbaya and friendly and lovely and wonderful and fun. But
Sydney hates it and says that she hates this kumbay
as shit, that she wants to see fighting and drama. Right,
how do you feel about this?
Speaker 2: This is where Sidney takes the turn, and like I
turn team Turbo a little bit because she the way
she sort of latches on, Like the idea of her
not liking the kumbaya or whatever is fine, but this
is such a determined situation. If it were any other
like pair, not a boyfriend girlfriend, we're obviously voting together,
maybe I would get what she's saying if there was
any fighting chance for Nannie and Justin to get out
of it. But there wasn't, Like this was done, a
done deal, so I would think her as this like
proud competitor, sort of taken on Turbos, like, you know,
good sportsmanship, honorable thing. She would have been in favor
of it because they were being good sports about it,
that they had a good attitude and that they were
going to go in and you know, try their best
or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah don't I'm agree completely. Yeah, kind of a weird nomination.
Didn't like it, didn't appreciate it, but it is what
it is. And afterwards we see year MEI and Cedric
in the kitchen talking, and God, I love Yearmy. He's
such a good guy. He has every reason in the
world to be pissed at Cedric and to like cut
him off into isolate Cedric, but Yearmy is still like
engaging with him and like treating this as a game.
And I don't know, I just really like Jearmy.
Speaker 2: He majorly won me over. I was sort of indifferent.
I thought he was a good competitor. I thought he
was kind of boring, but his boring turned into the
kind of boring that I like. In this episode, he
was like, you said, friendly understanding, played the game, didn't
take it too seriously. Yeah, Yeah, he won me over
big time.
Speaker 1: Totally I could chill with Yearmy because I have a
feel and hear me just doesn't give a shit like
he just he's like me right, like you pick your battles,
like don't don't sweat the small shit, like why would
you worry about who is voting for who? And like Michayla,
like we haven't talked, it makes sense that you would
vote for me, like that's whom That's who year Me
seems to be and.
Speaker 2: I like that, yeah big time.
Speaker 1: But as they're talking, Cedric says that he hopes thiss
elimination as a headbanger. They've had a lot of like
puzzle based things or endurance based things, but he wants
something to kind of physical. He wants to let that
dog out and go.
Speaker 2: I hat the dog out then, like shut the fuck up.
I hate that term. Yes, well, especially he's going against Justin.
Is he saying this if he's going against anybody else
in the house? Kind of let my dog out. Like
he's walking around, he's like getting massages by a viv
He's playing like the cutesy character the whole time, and
now all the sudden we're supposed to believe that he's
like kind of rip people apart when he knows he's
going and against Nannie and justin like get out of here.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, Ran, you talked me out of it.
I like this until just this very second, but okay.
And then we also had Mikayla's Challenge season or Challenge
career sort of briefly recapps. I skipped over Nannies, but
it showed Nannies too, of like being eliminated right before
the final or second place in the final.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: Nanny's never won. Mikayla's played a lot fewer seasons. It
shows her recaps. She was out first her first season.
She's made a final, but she failed in that final,
and now she's ready to play again. Talks about her
ankle a little bit. Ryan, what's this ankle? Is this
a red herring? Mikayla's ankle? Does this matter?
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Like, they've played it so much
that you would think that it would have to but
it's almost so done that it ruins the final if
it actually comes to fruition or ankle takes her out.
They've teased it for too long, like they've made it obvious.
So it makes me think. It makes me more think,
like she's gonna overcome it and they're gonna do great,
and she's gonna be like even with her fucking bum ankle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I'm not meaning to take away from that.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: But it's been twice in one season, Ryan, that we've
seen her bothered by this quote twisted ankle for like
forty seconds of screen time, and then the next time
we see her, she's running and she says, like it hurts,
but I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 2: But they were leading the run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it doesn't look like it hurts at all. Like,
it doesn't look like it hurts. Mikayla. I'm gonna give
you some credit here, I'm gonna give you the benefit
of the doubt on this. But I'm watching this, Mikayla.
I'm watching this ship.
Speaker 2: Right is this It's starting to feel more and more
like Anissa, Like it's starting to turn into.
Speaker 1: Don't go that car, Ryan, don't go that I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to.
Speaker 1: Mikayla's not that girl.
Speaker 2: I don't want to. Well, we're gonna find out if
she if she stumbles through this whole final after she's
been able to run and shit this whole time, then
we're gonna know she's got a little a knee center.
Speaker 1: Ryan, don't maybe do that. Don't maybe do that. I
don't want to admit that I love michaela too much.
Speaker 2: I don't want to either. I really don't want to either,
especially after all the news we've gotten with Anissa recently.
Trying to tag somebody else with that title is real scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this elimination is called balls in Ryan, how
do you play that elimination?
Speaker 2: Well, this was a little bit of a unique version
because we have partners going at the exact same time.
So one set of partners start with the ball. They
both have their own goal. It's same sex against each other.
If both partners score, well, I guess it's both teams go.
Whoever ends up with the most points wins that round.
First one to win two rounds wins the game. Does
that make sense close enough? Yes, dude, everybody is.
Speaker 1: Everybody that's listened has like watched it, so it doesn't
really matter.
Speaker 2: That does help, Uh, But more.
Speaker 1: Endearing this from Justin. I really appreciate when people go
into these eliminations and like they're sort of like, Oh,
I'm here to fight and I'm winning. My family blah
blah blah bl Justin is sort of like, Hey, I've
never done a physical elimination like this. I've never fought anybody.
This is new. I'm uncomfortable. Uh, this's be hard. I'm
gonna try my best.
Speaker 3: And I like that.
Speaker 2: I just like Justin.
Speaker 1: He's just honest and vulnerable like he is who he is.
Speaker 2: I like that he was.
Speaker 1: Fucking around and not claiming to be like Nanny, saying like,
I know my heart and spirit, I can do it,
he said. He said, like I've never done this. I
hope I can do well. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like.
Speaker 1: I like Justin's attitude here, agreed. Uh, all right, so
we're balls in Round one. Is Mikayla and Cedric there
on the offense, so they're trying to get their balls
into the baskets. THEO blows the horn and man, it's
a massacre. Dude, it's kind of embarrassing both Mikayla and
Cedric send Nonnie and Justin flying across the arena by
smashing into them. Pathetic first round and crickets from everybody watching,
because I think everybody wants Nannie and Justin back. And
when Mikayla and Cedric dominate so heavily. There's nothing to
say or do. They're just watching in complete, awkward, total silence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was bad. It was so fast that I
missed it twice and had to rewind it to watch,
like I thought I must have been looking at my
phone or something, and then missed it again and had
It was over instant, and it was the confirmation that
I was afraid of. I was really thinking of the
ankle was gonna be an issue. It was here, and
she was gonna, you know, Nanny was gonna joker or something,
and she was gonna twist it again.
Speaker 1: Now yeah, nothing man, nothing, Yeah, it was just like
this pathetic blowout, just uh like yeah, out by a whimper.
THEO does give michaela little credit. He says that Michayla
should have said jew as she fucking just steamroll Nanny.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And Turbo says he can smell the fear that Nanny's
given up. He says, my heart's always a nanny. I
want Nay to win, but I can tell like they've
given up, like they're not gonna be able to do it. See,
I think everybody's gonna figured this out right away. It's
not happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Round two though Justin does do a nice little juke
and Justin gets one over on Cedric.
Speaker 2: Was very proud of him. I think me moral victory
kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Totally, Yes, a moral victory and I think a point
of pride that Justin will take with him like that
was a good like he did a good move and
a good job and like.
Speaker 2: Dog Cedric he got that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he did a good jo he did he
did good man. That was a solid juke. It wasn't
a luck thing like he really like. He went for it.
Cedric went for it, and Justin got the better of
the two.
Speaker 2: I think if this would have been a more traditional
like five point or five round kind of one on one,
that that would have opened the door for it to
at least be competitive between the two of them, But
unfortunately that wasn't the game we were playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do wonder if it was man on
man versus woman on woman, if Justin would have done
more because I do think, you know, I think he
saw Michaela's not gonna win, so why why should I?
You know, I'm sorry, non He's not gonna win, so
why should I? Those two were very outmatched, and I
think Cedric and Justin were out Cedric was better than Justin,
but I don't think nearly as severely as non versus Mikaela.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1: All right, So at the end of the day, Mchaelen, Cedric,
they win. Nobody's all that surprised. TJ says, well, you
had two football players versus a cheerleader and a Barbie
fair fair by TJ. But he does give Justin a
lot of credit. Says, you know, you fought harder than
we thought. You did better than anybody expected you to do.
Like underdog that that performed very well, made it to
the right before the final. I do think Justin has
been a standout rookie. If the show goes on, I
hope we see him again. He did well.
Speaker 2: Totally agree. I think right from the beginning when he
went in that very first elimination, he surprised us. He'd
be what Rogan right, Like, can anybody believe Rogan was
on this season? Uh? Yeah, very good season, even if
he didn't make it all the way Yep.
Speaker 1: No, he has a lot to be proud of. He
did rocket, he did great cut that mullet though bro
that looks terrible. The mustache is awful. Don't do that
ship come back looking better, dude?
Speaker 3: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: What the fuck you can see?
Speaker 2: Man? I think that I think that he thinks that's cool.
Speaker 1: Dude, Ryan, So you were on the show when I
when I quiz will fee In, uh Carlin about that?
Do you really think Justin is unironically doing that? Like
he thinks like, this is my best hairstyle, Like I
look the best in a mullet, I look the best
with a mustag. Do you think that's what Justin thinks.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he would say that this is
like the best haircut he's ever had or whatever, but
I do think he's doing that because he thinks this
is like in style, this is like this is a
choice kind of thing, not like I don't think it's
he's like goofy. He's like the goofy guy among his
friend groups with the funny haircut. I think he's going
and like getting dressed up and going out and like
look good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and see that's that's unbelievably weird to me because
I was raised in the era of a mullet is
a joke haircut, Like you don't get that haircut for
serious to look good. You get that haircut as a
joke to like make your buddies back.
Speaker 2: Though at one point in time the rock stars had
a mullet baby and it was the thing. I think.
I don't know if it still is. I don't know.
It's I my eyes are opened after running like the
store and having a younger audience come in who's like
fat fable and they're trying to look cool and stuff,
Like I think it's more that he's in style and
he's wearing that haircut because of that than he is
that it's not cool and he's like just trying to
be like fashion, like weirdly fashion forward or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, I don't I don't get it. I
don't think I can. I don't think I can get that.
Like the idea of a man walking around with just
a mustache is like that's a joke, Like men don't
really do that, Like that's men in the seventies did that. Yeah,
now we do it now we do it as a
joke to fuck around with like how we used to look.
But I know, like I know, younger people than me
have a different outlook. But that's how I that's how
I look at a mustache. Every mustache. I think that's
like that's an ironic must You can't.
Speaker 2: Thinking like pouring stash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's you have to like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Like I'm doing this for a laugh. I'm doing this
because it's funny, because people think it's cool, not because
it looks good.
Speaker 2: My best friend wears a mustache to this day. We
played in a band when we were like younger, and
he started wearing a mustache because we all said we
were going to like grow out our hair and try
to look like led Zeppelin or Beetles or whatever, and
so we all did the hair thing and it is
a part of his He was like, I'm doing the mustache,
like I can't remember who he was trying to emulate
John Bonham or Sean Paul Jones or somebody from led Zeppelin.
And he wore it and then his wife that he's
now with, like girlfriend at the time, loved it and
he's never gotten rid of it. And it kind of
started as a joke because we were all just like
growing our hair out and shit. And now it's been
like twenty fucking years and he still is a mustache.
Only like cut at the lip, like exactly what you're
saying is a joke, Yeah, twenty years later because it
started off as a fucking joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, man, I'm not gonna put it on a
same fashion. But Justin could be a good looking dude
if he fucking would shave that mussa, Like, what the
fuck is you got a great smile, He's got a
great smile, but mustache on top is like, what the
fuck is that?
Speaker 2: Though? Looks weird.
Speaker 1: Anyway, So uh, TJ sends mckaylon Justin or mckaylean Cedric
back up to the rest of the players and says,
you guys are the four baddest teams. You've made it
to the final, but also careful what you wish for.
Very daunting of TJ. Olivia's scared by this. Turbo is excited.
They go back to the house. They have some champagne. Ryan,
your champagne, guy, if.
Speaker 2: The situation calls for it, I'll drink some bubbly all right,
good for you. I don't like champagne, dude.
Speaker 1: I've just been texting Kylie about this. I've never bought
champagne in my entire life until last night.
Speaker 2: For like New Year's Eve or something.
Speaker 1: I mean I've drank champagne. I don't think I've ever
bought it. I mean it's like certainly probably less than
five times in my life I've had champagne.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, no I drink. I have drank way too
many Mimosa's to say five times, that's insane to me.
You've been an adult so long. I've at least had
champagne every New Year's Eve since I was able to
sneak out of my house for New Year's Eve or something.
Speaker 1: So whatever means, Yeah, I think most of my champagne
is probably New Year's E. But I mean I don't
hunt it down or anything I have.
Speaker 2: At all, like drunk.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Mimosas tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Did you buy expensive champagne or did you buy like
some j roge like nine dollars Champagne.
Speaker 1: Wasn't nine Ryan, let me tell you, dude, bottle champagne
was like twenty one dollars.
Speaker 2: Ooh class defensive.
Speaker 1: High class ship, high class shit. So as they're drinking champagne,
Oh hi, Mandy, Mandy's back. As they're drinking champagne, they
talk about the seasons they've had or the experiences they've
had this particular season. No, not much, just say here
except I like to year me. He took a moment
to thank Olivia for being a great partner all season,
even though they've been a partner for one week of
the season, and THEO goes off on a rant for
a minute, saying he's due for a win. He hasn't
been this far since War of the Worlds where he
placed second finished second place to Turbo, who's also in
this final. It'll be interesting to see how this goes.
Speaker 3: But THEO says he's due.
Speaker 1: For a win, and yeah, he's planning to win the
whole thing. He's got two rules. We don't stop, we
don't quit. But I agree with you Ryan. With Adrian
as a partner, I think THEO is probably in the
last place.
Speaker 2: I would say they are the least favorite to win
going in. Just yeah, from like a endurance standpoint and
anything that's represented that so far they've been struggling, and
that includes THEO early in the season.
Speaker 1: Yep, so we did see on the coming soon clip.
If you don't like these coming soons, please skip ahead
for however long that you feel comfortable skipping ahead. There
is an opportunity to stake a claim in the final.
I do think THEO is the best, like the best
person to stake a claim. I mean that, and like
he's got the weakest partner. Yeah, So he talks about,
like do I stake a claim on Olivia and we
have the best couples finish of all time. The risk
is obviously only one team can be the winner, and
if you're both on one team, you've either won or lost,
whereas if you split it up, know more likely to win. Well,
we'll see how that goes. Ryan, what's your what's your prediction?
How's that gonna go?
Speaker 2: Ooh? I think that THEO is too tactical in the
game to pick Olivia. So I do believe he will
claim make likes take a claim, but I don't think
that it will be on Olivia. I would say if
I had to guess, fuck Turbo, like he's been fucked
Turbo the whole season takes Sydney at the end, that
would be so dope.
Speaker 3: That would be pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And he does say earlier on this episode, I didn't
touch on it, but he said, like, if you have
a chance of sabotage a team, it should be Turbo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do think.
Speaker 1: THEO is looking at that, And yeah, if you want
to take a claim, Ryan, You're probably right, that's that's
who THEO. Like, it should be Theo's taking claim and
it should probably be on city.
Speaker 2: Who do you want to win? Like, just pick one player,
you don't have to pick it is you want Mikayla
to win? Really absolutely, you have convinced me so hard
that this could be the last season that in my
heart I can't get over it, being like an old
school player to like, if the season is gonna or
the series is going to wrap up, that it needs
to be somebody who like represents the whole of the show.
And so like, for a while I was rooting for Nannie.
She was like, to me the most like, you know,
Mount Rushmore esque kind of player, like obviously not from
a winning perspective, But then she goes home, So who
the fuck do I think at this point? And I'm like,
I think that it's I think it's THEO. I think
I'm rooting for THEO. Like I don't like Turbo. I
just don't like him, even if the Sydney bullshit, I
just don't think he holds down for the challenge. I
think he thinks he's bigger than the Challenge, and so
I don't want him to like take this win and
take it away from like the identity of what the
show is. And I think Mikayla was close because she
played early like like she wanted to be a challenge bet.
But then as the season went, I feel like, especially
these last couple of episodes, she fell off enough that
THEO has taken my place. Is the closest thing to
like an old school challenger that we have who can
win and like hold it down if this really is
the end of the show, so you're in THEO. Yeah,
and if he could go feel Sydney, and then Sydney
can win too. And she's kind of playing like a
really savvy old school player, like reminded me a lot
of like a choral or how Rachel played early in
her career, just knowing that she's a fucking bad bitch
and she's just gonna do it. If she could win
with THEO, that would be so sick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this whole season I've said I really
think either Mikayla or Sydney is gonna win for the women.
I really think it's gonna be one of those two
the men. I think the men seem closer to me.
I I don't know that the men are all closer competitors.
Speaker 2: Totally a coin, I mean a four sided coin, I guess, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, If it comes down to an individual game
where it's the four men, I have no idea. If
it's the four women, I think it's Mikayla or Sidney.
Probably probably Sidney, frankly, but I'm still.
Speaker 2: Mcidney is so well rounded. It's so interesting because Michayla
really is. And Mikayla her biggest struggle was dealing with
the social thing long enough to get to the final.
That was always even all the way back to Survivor.
She was good strategically, but she was just enough of
a bitch, like she was just too blunt, too straightforward,
that she pissed somebody off enough to get in the
crosshairs early enough that she didn't make it to the end.
But she's well rounded enough that now in the final,
man if that ankle really holds up like puzzles figuring
out how to win strateg if there's like an overnight
element or a sabotaging element, Mikayla's real dangerous.
Speaker 1: She's dangerous and I like her for that. I like
her strategic mind. I like her for that. But I
do think, just like most eliminations, competitions, challenges, whatever, I
think Sidney is a slight edge. I'm rooting for Mikayla,
but I think I don't know. I worried that Sidney's
gonna gonna come out and get it.
Speaker 2: We'll see, man, Yeah, you were going to say what
I was going to say. You say it, say it better. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She wants Mikayla and Cedric to win. Me too, That's
who I'm rooting for. I would be fine with Sydney
and Turbo though too. I don't even though THEO has
had a rough season and I like people that have
a rough season, I don't want him to win and
say with Olivia, I just don't let they're not likable
people to me, I'm not rooting for them. I hope
it's one of the other players.
Speaker 2: I can't do. Olivia and yearmy just too new. Olivia
was awful the first half of the season. She became
a little bit more tolerable when I basically didn't see
her for the last half of the season. If they
wont I would be disappointed. The sad thing is they
might have as good if Jeremy, if Olivia can just
keep up. I mean, they're scary too. And the whole
first half of the season, Olivia looked like she was
maybe the best girl in the house or woman in
the house. She was working the angles and seems like
her endurance is on point. I don't know, this is
going to be a very exciting final.
Speaker 1: I say, like shit, yeah, all right, well that's the
whole thing. Uh, Fantasy League is just do this real quick.
The private League amongst the host Ryan, who you think
is winning.
Speaker 2: Last I knew it was still Wolfy.
Speaker 1: No, it's me, dude, it's me. How dare you? Bye
a lot? Bye a lot. I have thirty one hundred points.
Second place is Carlon with twenty two hundred. So I've
won that. Fuck you guys, I win.
Speaker 2: The pubody you get from that, though, do you get
to laughing? I mean no more than bragging rights. You
guys didn't all put up twenty bucks or something.
Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing, I should now, I should do it right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah, right right to.
Speaker 1: The public league. Who Ryan, you don't play this but
you should. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Carlin is number number two? Oh, Wolfe says, Why am
I ignoring the text during the show?
Speaker 2: Oh, I sure did? Uh?
Speaker 1: Wolfy come join us. Wolfe's in the chat room.
Speaker 2: Wolfie, I've missed you. I just mentioned you. I thought
you were winning the host league.
Speaker 1: Not even close, dude, not even close. Wolfe, come join us.
You have the r l uh. Number two in the
public league is Carlin, if you can believe that. But
number three, this guy, this guy Ryan, I know you
didn't know. You doubted me. You doubt players. Brother own
it by two spaces up to number three. But I
am out. I'm out, so I cannot play this week.
So this is as high as I'm going to get.
Congratulations everybody, but Ryan third place.
Speaker 2: You're like almost as good as Leroy down.
Speaker 1: Huh, hey, man, don't take it away from me. Carl
is number two. Where's a Wolfie way down?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Podcast?
Speaker 1: Our host team is twenty first, and Wolfe is somewhere else.
I don't know, I get. Oh, Wolfe is a twenty three.
It's Wolfe sucks.
Speaker 2: Also take it to Jordan.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forget about that. Yeah yeah, Michael Michael,
not Jordan from the Not Michael, not Jordan from the
from the show.
Speaker 2: No, he Jordan from the show is number sixty nine.
I don't know, but it's a fun number.
Speaker 1: Why not join the Patreon for some reason? Hey, guys,
I really do think there's two more episodes of Challenged ever,
so maybe don't join the Patreon. But you can't. It's
five dollars a month, and then you get pre shows
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Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: Man, is that it? Ryan?
Speaker 2: I think? So have you heard anything on social media? Tim?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good point. Yes, So there was a
social media thing. I think we talked about it last
week where Anissa or Will went on Johnny Banana's podcast
and talked about what a sexual predator Anissa was. H
Johnny Bananas then went on to edit that part of
the show out of the podcast, and he went public
today saying that nobody asked him to do that. He
just thought that he should edit things out of the
podcasts that were not fun to discuss and could impact
people's personal lives. So he took out the part where
Anissa was exposed for the multiple time for being a
sexual predator. So bananas is grow and so's Anissa And
what do you have this week?
Speaker 2: Ryan? I just it's weird to me the way that
MTV chooses to be quiet about this one and all
of the other things people and not even with is
nearly as serious an accusation that they have, like just
cut ties with fucking immediately. It's really strange, really really strange,
super weird. Similar kind of things have been said about
Anissa before, And I don't know, I'm not going to
like make an accusation. I certainly wasn't there and don't
know any better, but like, my lord, like isn't it
better safe than sorry? Like I just think MTV should
be like she's like the podcast host and stuff, like
she is a band or for the show. You have
to be like we're looking into this or something like
something yeah, I bet will isn't back on the show though.
Give the time treatment and he'll be quiet real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's weird though, that's it's like the reverse.
Speaker 3: Situation.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's very weird. And like Anissa, I
hate I've hated Nissa for forever, so it's weird to
be that they're protecting her in this way. Yeah, but
there is like and I hate to be this guy
that like gender swaps things. So no, that's not always
like a legitimate thing to do. But Ryan, if you
had a dude over multiple seasons spying on women in
the shower, that dude would not be invited back. And
like Anissa doing it is sort of like okay, and
it's a joke. And I don't know why that doesn't
seem right.
Speaker 2: To me, but yeah, I don't either, And like I
get that. I guess it's all in like the recipients
like discretion. Right, So if her peeping on Corey in
the shower or whatever, is him thinking that it's cute,
even if everybody else thinks that it's creepy, Okay, that's fine.
But if it's going to be somebody saying like, nah,
I didn't think that this is cool, which this isn't
even the first time at that, Like we can go
back ten seasons or something to Veronica very similar situation,
then it's no longer cool. So they if MTV wants
to show a Nissa be in a peeping common stuff
and everybody thinks that it's funny and we can all
laugh along, like oh this is college dorm room activity,
then we'll laugh. But when people start saying, no, we're adults,
this isn't cool, like I feel like I was taking
advantage of then it's no longer Okay, it's fucking weird
at worst or at best I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no fully and yes we've seen her not only
do this c amend but yeah, you said Veronica too,
like she took advantage of Veronic on camera, which was
like not cool. I don't know, man, Like it's weird.
Oh there's Wolfy. Maybe Wolfy.
Speaker 2: You can't even send out the proper notifications that you're lived.
Speaker 1: Well, somebody was super late tonight, so Ryan I was,
I think, how many people be disappointed? Very upsetting, very upsetting.
H Well, hey we're about to wrap up, but you're
gonna stick around for the epshow? Is that alcoholic drink.
Speaker 2: You're drinking.
Speaker 1: No, it's a good choice though, dude, good choice. All right,
Well we're wrapping up. Stick, we'll stick, we'll feel stick
around for the okay bye uh yeah, legitimately, because I
think we've done everything else. We did the social media,
we did the Patreon, we did ah.
Speaker 2: I think that's it. It.
Speaker 3: So what you say, goodbye?
Speaker 2: Goodbye?
Speaker 1: No, give us a quote.
Speaker 2: Do you have a quote. I didn't watch the episode.
Speaker 1: Oh well, let me get to the media. Uh Nannie
and Justin, oh, good Nanny, and as they said, you know, goodbye.