Speaker 1: You're listening to the Mind over Murder podcast.
Speaker 2: My name is Bill Thomas. I'm a writer, consulting, producer,
and now podcaster. I am now trying to use my
experience as the brother of a murder victim to help
other victims of violent crime. I'm working on a book
on the unsolved Colonial Parkway murders and I'm the co
administrator of the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook group together with
Kristin Dilly.
Speaker 3: My name is Kristin Dilly.
Speaker 4: I'm a writer, a researcher, a teacher, and a victim's advocate,
as well as the social media manager and co administrator
for the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with my partner
in crime.
Speaker 3: Bill Thomas. Welcome to Mind of a Murder. I'm Kristin Dilly.
Speaker 2: And I'm Bill Thomas.
Speaker 3: Welcome to March. Mister Thomas, we made it like February
was never going to freaking end.
Speaker 2: Now it's the shortest month of the year and it
seems endless. I'll be honest, February is my least favorite
months of the year, followed closely by March.
Speaker 3: Why is that.
Speaker 2: Because up here in the frozen wasteland.
Speaker 3: Of New England where you voluntarily moved, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, and it is beautiful and we'll be back to
gorgeous weather and I don't know six weeks. Maybe winter
kind of hangs around way longer than you would like
it too. Here it is, we're talking on what's today,
like the fourth, March fourth, and it got up to
forty nine degrees fahrenheit, which is damn exciting for us. Yeah,
I bet this, but there's still two feet of snow
on the ground. Melting is starting. But then we get
the news that we're supposed to get another couple bit
of snow tomorrow evening, and we're like, no, really, can't
we be done?
Speaker 3: As I said before we got started on air here,
it was close to seventy today and for the next
two weeks it's supposed to be nothing but seventies and
even your eighties couple days.
Speaker 2: Why we'll be heading you're way soon.
Speaker 3: It's you got to get out of the frozen wasteland
every once in a while.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Ooh, But welcome to March, everybody. And boy, the year
is just starting to fly by, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It sure is lots of stuff going on, and lots
of stuff to talk about in the true crime space.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, and the thing that I really wanted to
focus on today is related to a case we said
we weren't going to.
Speaker 2: Touch, but which One's that?
Speaker 3: Yes, our precursor on this one, we said we were
not going to do anything with the Guthrie investigation, and
I still hold that. I have no interest in getting
into the time frame, the potential suspects and anything else.
They're already way way too many cooks in the kitchen
on that one. Literally every person that we know in
the FBI has been called at this point to be
an expert on various TV shows and various other friends
in the public sector too and the private sector. So
I think everybody that we know at this point has
talked about it. You don't need us to talk about it.
But there has been some very unsavory and unappealing behavior
that the gu three case has brought up that I
think it's important that we talk about within the true
crime space, especially because we have such an interest in
ethics and true crime.
Speaker 2: Or lack of ethics in this example.
Speaker 3: Definitely lack of ethics and true crime here. So we're
going to base this on an article that was published
in The New York Times by Nicholas bobol Burrows. That's
a great name, right, doesn't that sound like a British
butler name or something.
Speaker 2: With a hyphen in the middle there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that name. That's fantastic. So this was
published in The New York Times February twenty fifth, and
it is about a fifth grade teacher who ultimately ended
up on the wrong side of online influencers and true
enthusiasts when it was thought that he was part of
the Nancy Guthrie investigation. So we'll go ahead and do
what we have done a couple of times before when
we're featuring articles from the New York Times. I'll read
Bill will offer color commentary, and we'll give you our
thoughts on this whole entire matter.
Speaker 2: And we'll do our best to link to this story
from the New York Times. With a lot of newspapers,
we can't always guarantee that everyone around the world will
have full access, but we'll do our best to provide
the text as well, although Kristen will be walking you
through it. Yes.
Speaker 3: Great. So the headline for this reads, online accusations in
Guthrie abduction leave one family scared, numb and the subhead.
A fifth grade teacher and his principal wife hid in
their bedroom as dozens of people who believed he might
be a kidnapper appeared on the suburban street. All right,
the article starts this way. A six year old boy
in area Zena spent his first night away from his
parents this month, not because he was at a sleepover
or away at camp. It was because people had descended
on his parents' suburban Tucson street thinking that his father
might be the man who had abducted Nancy Guthrie. The
boy's father, Dominic Evans, a forty eight year old elementary
school teacher, plays drums in a band with one of Ms.
Guthrie's sons in law. For some people, that coupled with
mister evans nineteen ninety nine arrest for drunkenly swiping a
calculator and watch while out at a bar, was enough
he became their prime suspect.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, here we go. There hasn't been enough false
accusation in the Guthrie case, with a number of people,
many of whom are mentioned in this article, being accused
of being the kidnapper of Nancy Guthrie. It's I don't
know what people are thinking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this doesn't even seem anything like this only seems
like juilt by association. If that, yeah, that's crazy. The
accusations were levied online, but they've become a real life
nightmare for mister Evans and his wife. They hid in
their bedroom with the lights off that night, too frightened
to pick up their son from his grandmother's house for
fear of being followed. Days later, another swarm of journalists,
live streamers, and gawkers photographed the family's home and not
on their neighbor's doors.
Speaker 2: And none of these people are in law enforcement. In
other words, if there was a legitimate reason for law
enforcement to look at the Evans family and as a
couple for kidnapping, that's one thing. But none of these
people are operating in any official Journalists, live streamers, and
gawkers photograph the family's home and knocked on their neighbor's door.
This is insane, and that too.
Speaker 3: The accusations were levied online. Sure, because everything that's trustworthy
and good must come from online. All I can do
is roll my eyes at that. You can't trust anything
that you see online anymore? And I say that as
somebody who puts a lot of our content out online,
I feel like at this point, anybody who accuses anyone
else of something online, you've got a way heavier burden
of proof than anyone else does.
Speaker 2: And I think about the dozens of people that we've
looked at as potentially involved in the Colonial Parkway murders,
and we've been extremely careful about not naming names for individuals. Now,
it's one thing. If someone's dead, I think at that
point their game, and certainly I'm willing to discuss it.
But for a couple like this, mister Evans is an
elementary school teacher, his wife is a principal, this is
crazy and could really damage their reputation exactly.
Speaker 3: The article continues, The couple, who met years ago in
the copy room of the school where they weren't true
story have tried to live a private life in a
quiet neighborhood where they're raising three boys. Instead, they've become
the latest victims of America's Internet enabled fascination with crime
and amateur efforts to solve the disappearance of msgu three,
the eighty four year old mother of the television host
Savannah Guthrie, Okay, let's look at Internet enabled fascination with crime.
Speaker 2: I'll let you start now.
Speaker 3: Granted, the fascination with true crime is not new. Obviously,
it's not new. It was happening as far back and
even further back as Edgar Allen Poe trying to solve
a notorious New York cold case in one of his
short stories. This is not a new thing that came
around when computers came around. But the Internet does enable
us to share content widely and quickly, and it has
definitely allowed, i think, for people's worst instincts to come
out when it comes to accusing people willingly online. People
seem to think and we tell this to our students
all the time as teachers. You have to think about
what you say online, and if you're not willing to
say something to a person's face, you should not be
willing to put it up online. But very obviously the
adults of the world have forgotten that as well, or
never learned it in the first place. You have people
who hide behind their screen or their screen names, and
they figure, let's go ahead and lobby accusations at people,
or let's use our internet connection to a stream live
stream from the crime scene or something like that. I
don't love what the internet has done to true crime.
Speaker 2: And this isn't like we're talking about Jack the Ripper
in the eighteen eighties, where everyone involved in that case
would have long since been dead. So if you're putting
out a theory, I think so and so is the
real Jack the Ripper. You're not damaging that person's reputation
or their ability to make a living or cause people
to follow them down the street. But this is all
happening in real time. Nancy Guthrie is still missing. It's
been more than a month. It's a terribly upsetting case.
I know it's created a lot of media attention and
even fascination, and people ask us about it all the time.
But we're not out there tossing out accusations and damaging
people's reputations, which is exactly what's happening in this couple
in Tucson, Arizona.
Speaker 3: The article continues, it doesn't matter that mister Evans spoke
to investigators two weeks ago for roughly forty minutes and
hasn't heard from them since. On social media, there are
people who are sure the stea mask man at MSGA
three's doorstep in the early hours of February. First was
mister Evans. It's in the eyes, they say. The number
of times that I have heard recently of people saying
I know exactly who it is. Those eyes look evil,
those eyes look like this, those eyes look like that.
So many people are jumping on the it's a woman's
eyes and immediately jumped to missus Cush three his daughter
in lacked. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. I don't
buy that you can tell who the person is by
their eyes.
Speaker 2: No, it's absurd. Now are the eyes striking? Yes? Are
they actually I'll use the word pretty. They had This
person had pretty eyes. But I can't tell you whether
that's a man or a woman. And I sure as
heck can't tell you that's mister Evans or anybody else.
This is completely insane, and I don't think people are
thinking through how much potential damage they could be doing
both to the investigation, because none of this is particularly helpful.
Law enforcement already spoke to mister Evans, he interviewed him,
and then moved on. He didn't seem to them the professionals,
to be a likely suspect. Now are they going to
look at a lot of people, you bet. And we've
told people here one hundred and fifty persons of interest
in the Colonial Parkway murders, and that number probably grew
after they gave us that number. So I understand that
when you have a wide ranging case, they're going to
look at a lot of different people. But that doesn't
mean that we should be throwing their names out on
the world wide Web.
Speaker 3: Mister Evans and his wife Andrea spoke publicly for the
first time in an interview with The New York Times
in Tucson this week. Both were often near tears as
they described a blur of disturbing events. I feel like
someone's taken my name, mister Evans said, but for what reasons.
I don't know. Monetary clickbait to be relevant entertainment. But
they are innocent people that get hurt. Sheriff Chris Nanios
of Pima County, Arizona, who's leading the investigation with the FBI,
and in an interview that he was frustrated by many
of the accusations. He said he did not want to
publicly rule at anyone beyond missus Guthrie's relatives and their spouse.
Else is whom he cleared last week, but he said
he selt for mister Evans. He's going through hell and
it is horrible. Sheriff Ninos said, I don't know what
to tell him except he probably should be speaking with
some attorneys and sue some of these people for libel.
I wish I could jump out and defend every single
one of them that's been falsely accused. He added.
Speaker 2: Now, it's interesting the Sheriff Nanios did feel it was
important enough to clear the Guthrie relatives and their spouses
because that speculation had gotten so bad and people were
insisting it was the brother in law. This is crazy and.
Speaker 3: It and there are still people insisting it.
Speaker 2: And a complete distraction. Now, I think you just have
to let the investigation unfold, and that means let the
investigators do their work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you, but it's I cannot imagine
what it must be to be the sheriff in charge
of the true crime case that is riveting in the country. Obviously,
that was the case for the sheriff in Moscow, Idaho,
when the Idaho four case was at the forefront, and
it's the same here for the sheriff of Pima County
because we have a true crime subculture that is so
ravenous that it's not willing to let investigations unfold, and
instead it wants to leap ahead and say, oh, I
can solve it, I can solve it faster, I can
solve it better, or I can create a more interesting story.
Speaker 2: And there were false accusations in the Idaho four case.
As a matter of fact, I've read the other day
that one individual who was accused falsely, of course, is
now I think going to be suing some of the
individuals who insisted that he was involved in the Idaho
for murders, which were absolutely horrible. But if you think
about it, letting the investigators do their work, and we
knew some of the people that worked on that case,
including the folks at Athram, that case was actually solved
fairly quickly. They were able to get some good working
some good workable DNA samples, and they were actually able
to put that case together quite rapidly. So this whole
rabid I'm going to go out there and I'm going
to start naming names. You're destroying people's reputations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and for no reason that I can think of
other than clicks, trying to stay relevant, trying to get
people engaged. It's very confounding. Mister evans connection to the
Guthrie family began in two thousand and seven when he
joined a rock band called Early Black with Tamaso Chioni
after responding to a gigslist dad, and the two started
jamming regularly with a guitarist. At some point, mister Chiani,
the bassist, mentioned that he was married to the elder
sister of Savannah Guthrie, the Today Show host. Mister Evans
said he met Nancy Guffrey only once, in twenty eleven,
when he brought his oldest son to hunt for Easter
eggs at her home, which sounds like such a grandmother
type thing to do. It's so sweet. It's sounds so sweet.
Mister Evans recalls vividly what he was doing when he
learned that something had happened to her. It was the
night of February first, and he and his wife were
putting their two younger sons to bed in separate rooms,
each line with one son until he fell asleep. As
Ms Evans scrolled through Instagram from her son's bed, she
saw that Miss Gusrie had been reported missing. She texted
her husband in the other room, and he responded with disbeliefs.
Speaker 2: There's something about this that feels so much like modern life.
Here here's mom and dad lying down with the two
little boys to get them to go to sleep, and
their text one room of the house to another. That
part just made me laugh, because we don't have kids
at home anymore. But Pamela and I often text each
other from different rooms in the house.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you're usually in the library and
she's in the studio. I imagine you guys probably send
each other messages that way.
Speaker 2: It's two flights up. She's upstairs in the beautiful attic
art studio, and I'm down here in the podcast layer.
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Speaker 3: I think you guys should run like a speaking tube
or something from your desk up to the attic, and
that way you can yell things up and down to
each other.
Speaker 2: That would be very cool. And I this is the
kind of house that should have a dumbwaiter. I'd like
to have a dumbwaiter that can go Yeah, things up
and down the stairs.
Speaker 3: Wait, like your house is probably all enough to have
secret passages and stuff.
Speaker 2: Ray, I haven't found them yet, though, We'll keep looking.
Speaker 3: Mister Evans sent a message to mister Chianny telling him
he was there to support him, but within days the
storm of accusations came for them both. In the first
days after Ms Guthrie was abducted, online suspicion turned to
mister Chianny, in large part because of a podcast host
who would claim to he was a.
Speaker 2: Suspenct Pardon me while I roll my eyes.
Speaker 3: Yes, we all know who that is. And it was
just a really ridiculously awful thing for her to say. Okay.
It was then people zeroed in on mister Evans, noting
a conviction for drunk driving and the nineteen ninety nine
bar incident, for which he served a year and a
half on probation. He graduated from the University of Arizona
a few years later and has been teaching ever since.
Speaker 2: So here's a guy with a couple of youthful indiscretions,
I would.
Speaker 3: Say, but questionable college behavior.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, he's not the only person I've ever met
who had a DUI, And I know there's this incident
where he supposedly stole something from someone in a bar,
and alcohol is definitely involved in both of those situations.
So goes to lack of judgment. But he sounds like
he's gotten his life together, went to the University of Arizona,
he's been teaching, He met and married his wife. They
have three kids. I think we have to give this
man some credit. Slacked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, the only thing that I would criticize him
for is going to U of A because I went
to ASU.
Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, now, I don't have a position here,
but I didn't realize that was a thing.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, go sun devils. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right.
Speaker 3: But on February tenth, the David Investigators released foot it
from Ms Guthrie's doorbell camera. People began to speculate whether
the man pictured wearing a mask and carrying a pistol
was mister Evans, posting side by side images of the
two and analyzing their eyes, brows, and lashes. We did
have somebody post it on our Facebook page, and I
took it down because it's not appropriate.
Speaker 2: No, And we don't do false accusations or just anything
that's way too out there and speculative, particularly if you're
going to start naming people as suspects when law enforcement
hasn't named them as suspects.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is not our role. You can be a
true crime enthusiast, you can be a true crime advocate,
you can be a victim's advocate, you can be an investigator,
but unless you are assigned to the case, it is
not your role to name suspects. It's not appropriate.
Speaker 2: No. I took a lot of interest in the video
clips of the and still photographs of the man outside
the house, and there was a lot of discussion about
what he was wearing and his eyes, and the odd
way he had a gun in a holster in front
of him, which normally I think most people with any
kind of training would wear the gun off to their side.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I took a lot of interest in that stuff. But
we certainly aren't going to turn around on Mind over
Murder or anywhere else and say, oh, and that's the
brother in law or whomever. I just it's not fair
to anyone.
Speaker 3: No, it's not. Mister Evans and his wife arrived home
later that day, I noticed more cars than usual at
a nearby park. Within minutes of walking inside, many of
those cars pulled up to their street. Mister Evans remembers
seeing young people sitting in the back of the truck
as if their home was a macab attraction. The couple
told their oldest son, a teenager, and not to come home,
and they felt they could not retrieve their youngest sons
from their grandmother's house because some of the cars remained
on their street till the early morning. It was all
night looking through the window, trying not to let any
light out of our home, said Miss Evans, thirty nine,
a principal in a neighboring school district. She said she'd
been scared numb by it all. Days later, on Friday
the thirteenth, mister Evans asked his school's principal to hold
a brief staff meeting, where mister Evans addressed the speculation
with other teachers and said he would be taking a
few days off that week. He also met with investigators
from the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's Department, who
he had said had asked about his band, his friendship
with mister Channey and his whereabouts on the night Miss
Guthrie was taken at home of his family, he told them.
But at about five pm on February thirteenth, several journalists
and live streamers reported that a swat vehicle had left
the Sheriff's department headquarters. That sent a flood of people
back to the couple's neighborhood, anticipating that mister Evans might
be the target. Their address was posted online.
Speaker 2: Now we're really crossing the line here. This is a
family of five, three heads, mom, dad, and there's an
expectation of privacy here. And the idea that people are
going to be posting their address online. There are a
lot of crazy people out there, and something terrible could
happen as a result of this. And the idea that okay,
a swat vehicle has left the Sheriff's department suddenly means
they're going to the Evans home to arrest them or something.
This it doesn't track unacceptable.
Speaker 3: We do not dox people online. We don't do it.
Not for this ought to be You and Renee Williams
at the National Center for Victims of Crime have talked
often at Crime con about having a sense of ethics
in true crime reportings, and this really ought to be
the one thing that everybody can get behind. You don't
dox people online. You don't post their information, their address,
their anything. It's not appropriate, it isn't fair because once
that information is out there, there's no taking it back.
The Internet is forever. We always tell this to our students.
The Internet is forever, you guys. It is forever. You
are never going to be able to get away from
something that is posted online.
Speaker 2: And even these youthful indiscretions that mister Evans was involved
in years before the dui, the theft, the bar. He's
clearly gotten his life together and is a responsible citizen,
and yet they were still able to find that information
online and the next thing they're falsely accusing him of
being kidnapper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one felt really scary because it was like
everyone was waiting for someone to come to our house.
Speaker 2: Ms.
Speaker 3: Evans said. Mister evans first thought was that he had
been swatted by someone wishing him harm. They told their
six year old to stay away from the window and
to keep quiet. As it turned out, the police operation
was actually targeting a home thirty minutes away where investigators
questioned and released someone. As of Tuesday, and as of
right now, because this story is a weekled, the abduction
of miss Guthrie remained a mystery. Savannah Guthrie, the youngest
of missus Guthrie's three children, offered a one million dollar
reward for information that leads investigators to her mother, saying
that the family knows she may be dead but is
holding out hope. In recent days, the accusatory onslaught against
mister Evans has eased and he's been able to go
back to teaching. He said he'd gotten support from colleagues
and the parents of his fifth graders, who he had
feared might believe speculation posted online. And boy, that is
a risk that does come with teaching eight.
Speaker 2: It does without question.
Speaker 3: You want your kids to look up to you, You
want your kids to like you. Neither of them are
always possible, but hey, we can hope for it. And
you know that this generation of kids, the Gen zs
and the Gen Alphas, they take in all of their
content online, all of it. And it's got to be
very upsetting knowing that your students are going to hear
everything about you online and you have no repercussions for it.
You have no repercussions, but the lasting effects are clear.
The other day, mister Evans worried that a man was
following him out a department store. Ms Evans can't help
pulling out her phone and searching her husband's name. She
wants to know in advance if people might mob their neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: None of this right, so upsetting. None of this is real,
but there is so much of it. Miss Evans said
of the speculation. How can anyone decipher or catch all
of it?
Speaker 2: This is unbelievable. I feel so bad, of course, for
the Guthrie family, But then these people are like collateral
damage somehow. Yeah, because people are nuts and can't seem
to control themselves in terms of I know who it is,
stick your finger up in the air, like you're so
much smarter than everybody else. It's one thing to say,
I'm going to take this tip to law enforcement and
ask the FBI and the Sheriff's department if they want
to check this out, But they'd already done that. Yeah,
And this concept of swatting, this actually gets extremely dangerous
if people are not familiar with swatting. This is when
people will call law enforcement and claim that something terrible
has happened at a particular person's address. For example, I
believe that so and so killed their wife and we
heard gunfire at their home. Now law enforcement has an
obligation legally and morally to check that out. So the
next thing you know, they're showing up, and it might
be the swat team, which is where the expression swatting
comes from. But imagine how dangerous this is. You're telling
law enforcement falsely that something terrible has happened at a
particular location. There's all kinds of stuff that's less harmful.
I guess it's a waste of time and money to
order pizza for someone and send it to their home
when they didn't order pizza. And of course there's actually
a message there, which is we know where you live.
Is the implication if we sent Domino's to your house
for a pizza order you did in place, but then
to have a swat team arrive, and this is a
waste of time and resources exactly law enforcement's time, and
swat teams go in loaded for bear. They are prepared
to engage with citizens and people end up dead. Yeah,
this is crazy that someone would do this, and it
crossed mister Evans's mind. He said in the article that
someone who meant him harm might actually have swatted them. Yeah,
the height of irresponsibility. And quite frankly, I think people
that are swatting others they belong in jail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree. There's this sort of it feels
almost like a mob mentality that happens when we learn
as a populace, Hey, there is a crime that's been committed,
it is yet unsolved. The people within the true crime space,
most of whom really are, seem to be decent people.
We know because we meet a lot of them at
crime con But there's this weird sort of collective mob mentality,
almost a frenzy that comes around when there is a
juicy true crime case and people are just waiting to
solve it. You start getting the influencers and the live
streamers driving there, flying there, making sure that they're available
should anything start to happen, and they can be right
there on the scene. You've got people who download images
and advance it frame by frame and look for everything.
And it's bloodthirsty in a lot of ways, and it's
upsetting because the vast number of people in the true
crime space are not trained forensic investigators, profilers, or anything else.
We are people who are interested in true crime, but
those vast majority of people who are not trained seem
to be the ones who think they can solve the case.
Speaker 2: The whole thing is incredibly disturbing, and I don't know
what's going to happen with the Guthrie case. I see
myself as an optimistic person, but it's hard to think
that there's going to be a happy ending here to
Nancy Guthrie's case, given the fact that she's been gone
for over a month. And the Guthrie family made a
decision to greatly increase the reward offered to a million dollars,
which is a lot of money other than bringing the
crazies out, I'm not sure if a million dollars would
have made a difference. Years ago, we the Colonial Parkway
murders families actually offered to increase the reward in our case,
which I think was standing at twenty thousand dollars for
many years. It was ten, then it was twenty, and
we were advised by the FBI not to go down
that road because they said it'll just bring out crazy
people and it won't necessarily generate more or better tips.
I think from what we've read about the Guthrie case,
they've received tens of thousands of tips. Obviously it's going
to take the FBI and the Pema County Sheriff's Department
a long time to run down all of those tips.
But I think baseless speculation like this is getting us nowhere.
And as someone who's interested in true crime, and you
and I are both people that do take a lot
of interest, not just in the Colonial Parkway murders, but
in many other cases as well, it actually makes me
cringe because I feel like it makes true crime fans
and even true crime content creators like ourselves look unseerious
and even cool.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I agree with you, unserious, unseemly certainly we
cruel in a lot of ways. And it's I can't
get past this image that you actually used it when
we were talking about your day after you came back
from your meeting with the FBI, and you said you
felt after talking to a bunch of people who were
all reaching out to you for interviews, you said you
felt like a nice juicy bone that was being fought
over by a pack of ravening dogs. That feels like this,
That is what it feels. The newest, hottest case comes
along and suddenly everybody is salivating to get the lead,
the scoop, whatever, and it leads people down really dark paths,
and I feel bad for the people that become collateral
damage in addition to the people who are actually victims.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. It's we'll keep you posted on
this story. Not so much with the focus on the
Guthrie abduction, which we are still hoping will have a
positive outcome and that Nancy Guthrie will be found. But
I think just throwing out baseless accusations and scaring the
crap out of this family from Tucson that are very
much only peripherally connected to this case, I think it's
the height of air responsibility and it just makes me cringe.
Speaker 3: I think to circle back to what we feel are
the most responsible things that you can do with a
true crime case. As a true crime creator and content consumer,
remember that we need to be ethical about the way
that we report and the way that we consume, and
offering baseless accusations is inappropriate and irresponsible. Swatting people and
offering personal and private information online is irresponsible and just
failing to have a sense of kindness and in human
dignity toward other people who are also suffering. That shouldn't
be who we are as a community of content creators
and consumers. We need to be better than what has
been shown so far in the Guthrie case. So I
would urge people it is fine to be interested in
a case. It is fine to keep up watching the
news on it. But if you're thinking about posting photos
naming people by name, even though law enforcement has not
said for them to be as such, think twice before
what you post is up on somebody else's dashboard. Everybody
has to do their part to keep this safe and
respectable space. And if we want to be taken seriously
as true crime and content creators, we have to do
the right things. We have to be ethical, we have
to have a sense of justice and fair play. Fill
any final thoughts from you, no, very well said. That
is gonna do it for this episode of mind Over Murder.
Thank you so much for listening. We'll see you next time.
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