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Speaker 1: So we should talk about because this just concluded. Was

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it yesterday or the day before? The lawsuit against Afroman

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by the police who raided his home looking for apparently

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on a very bad tip by an unreliable informant. And

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this is dragged on for several years. Now. This originally

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happened in what twenty twenty two?

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Speaker 2: Yes, and the actual rate occurred in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Now, if you're not familiar, or if some of you

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might be somewhat familiar with Afroman, you might sort of

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remember him. You know, there will be varying degrees amongst

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our listeners in terms of how they recall Afroman or

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if they recall Afroman. Afroman, of course, had a huge

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hit in what the early two thousands, right when I

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got high or no, because I got high, I got high,

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y because I got high because I got high. Now,

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funny thing about that song. I never liked the song.

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I always thought it was annoying. But I remember defending

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the song though, because I would have conversations. You know,

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some people would say, well, I don't like that song

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because it glorifies drug use or whatever makes a big

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joke out of it. But the fact is, if you

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listen to the song all the way through, which was

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always difficult for me because I never liked it. But

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of course it was you can escape that it was fun. Yeah,

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well most people did. But if you listen to it

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all the way through, it really doesn't glorify getting high

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because by the time you get to the end of

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the song, by the time you get to the end

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of the last verse, his life is in ruins because

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he got high. So, if anything, so I always told people,

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I was like, well, you know, I don't like the song.

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I think it's annoying, but it is a cautionary tale

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if you listen to it all the way to the end.

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Speaker 2: And it was back in two thousand and one that

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it was actually released.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, apparently police found it in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just, I just but yeah, so you know,

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the police raided his home. I have the NPR article here,

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which I think is you.

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Speaker 2: See, they never explained they were looking for weed. They

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were looking they believe he was a dealer.

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Speaker 1: Well, and kidnapping.

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Speaker 2: Now that one is interesting because they keep saying the

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word kidnapping, but I'm not sure it means what they

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think it means.

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Speaker 1: Well, because the informant told them that he had, like people,

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somebody in a dungeon or something in his home. He

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had kidnapped somebody, this very unreliable informant who apparently just

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made this up.

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Speaker 2: But the police were doing a very thorough search looking

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for that kidnapping victim in the pockets of all of

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Afroman's suits.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, which he thinks about.

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Speaker 2: So why do we know all of this well, because,

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alike a lot of people, Afroman has cameras to keep

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an eye on his home, and he got an alert

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that there was damage at his home. And then there

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it is on video. He's watching the police batter his

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door down, start trashing the house, searching for these drugs

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that he's dealing, and the human captives in his suits.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there were none, and.

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Speaker 2: They were so diligently looking that, as the song indicates,

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one of the officers stopped in the kitchen, opened up

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the cake, got himself a slice. You ate it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, in fairness to the officer, does look good,

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the lemon pound cake. It does look good in the video.

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Speaker 2: You mama makes you something, you want it to be

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Speaker 1: I'd be tempted, you know. And I don't even really.

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Speaker 2: Eat his mama's cake, but you know I made that

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for him.

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Speaker 1: I would certainly stop and think about it. But it

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is so I mean, it's it's one of those cliches.

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It's almost too good to be true. When you see

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the video and you see this big fat got the cop,

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you know, looking at the cake.

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Speaker 2: Like holding holding a.

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Speaker 1: Rifle, holding a gun, but he stops to look at

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the but the cake is so distracting to him. It's

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like the rifles down and it's so it's perfect.

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Speaker 2: It's when mass lid comes off the cake.

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Speaker 1: Oh good lord, it's so perfect.

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Speaker 2: He finds himself a knife and slices himself a piece of.

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Speaker 1: They also seized his cash, you know, while they were there,

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they took his money.

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Speaker 2: He found five thousand dollars in a suit pocket he

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had forgotten he left in there from a show. It

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was the end of the gig. Pay yes, and jeez,

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had five grand in the pocket. But apparently the cops

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found that really great. So when they took it into custody,

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and and of course when the case ended, when there

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were zero charges pressed against him because they found absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 1: Right after after breaking his gate and breaking his they.

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Speaker 2: Broke the gate to get into the driveway. Then they

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broke the door down.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: They trashed everything. Oh yeah, he ate up his cake.

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Speaker 1: Yep. They found nothing, and they took his money and

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when he when he got it back, it was short

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four hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly four hundred dollars, not three hundred and ninety

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eight dollars, not three hundred and fifty six dollars like

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you would expect if there was a miscount, because that's

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what they claimed. It was a miscount of exactly four

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hundred dollars missing from the fire. Ok.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess they did a little a little

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bit of that civil asset forfeiture were apparently We've.

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Speaker 2: Talked about that before. But the thing about this case though,

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I mean, we joke about it, but it's horrible what

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he went through, what his family went through. You know,

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the security that you feel in your home is ruined

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when somebody breaks your door down and the destruction of

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things all for for literally.

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Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing.

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Speaker 2: He had nothing. They found zero weed. Listen to me,

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I said, they found zero weed and no human beings

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or tiny humans hiding in the closet in his jacket pockets.

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But the more important issue about this that that we

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want to well well is if this case had gone

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the wrong way, it would have taken a lot out

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of the music industry and the video industry.

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Speaker 1: Well, we have to explain why the why the police

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were suing him. So they were suing him because he

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had got that part. He made a series of funny

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songs and videos because he had all this footage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he used the footage from his house.

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Speaker 1: From from his own home, from his own surveillance frollance

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camera to make to make fun of the cops.

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Speaker 2: Yep, he made as you heard when we started the

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Lemon pound Cake song.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they so they sued him over it, and.

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Speaker 2: They sued him for for violating their privacy and defamation

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and defamation we're embarrassing them.

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Speaker 1: Or definition of character as a certain idiot likes to say,

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but yes, defamation of this.

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Speaker 2: There were actual tears on the sand. And the interesting

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thing about this is, I don't know, do you have

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Speaker 1: Uh not that clip specifically.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the interesting thing about all of this is

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Afroman was extremely intelligent with every word he said, yes

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and when he was cross examined by this because they

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tried to sue him for millions of dollars. They wanted

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millions of dollars because he made these videos songs. No,

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each person had a different amount.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was four million or that was the total.

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Speaker 2: I think it was more than that because I think

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I thought there was one that was looking for fifteen

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or something or one or I might be wrong. But

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each each one of the suing parties, which were each

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of the cops and one of them's wife, I think,

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but I'm not positive on the wife part. That that

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when the when the when the lawyer would try and

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catch him up on the stand and be like, well,

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you're seeing how upset these people are after what you've

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done to them. And he's like, oh, I didn't do anything,

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after a man kept saying I did nothing. They did

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all of this to themselves. We wouldn't be here today

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if they hadn't broken down my door, trashed my gate,

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trashed my home, eight from my kitchen, took stole money

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out of my house. We wouldn't be here if they

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hadn't put themselves on my camera, we wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I found the clip here.

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Speaker 2: Let me clip is better than the way I'm pronounced

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saying it here we go said, I.

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Speaker 3: Got freedom of speech after they run around my house

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with guns and kick down my door. I got the

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right to kick a can in my backyard. Use my

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freedom of speech. Turn my bad times into a good time. Yes,

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I do. And I think I'm a sport for dealing

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so because I don't go to their house, kick down

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their doors, flip them off on their surveillance cameras, then

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try to play the victim and sue them.

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Speaker 2: I got fart.

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Speaker 4: You were at Lisa Phillips's deposition, correct, Yes, sir, in

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your lawyer's office, Yes, sir, same office where you film

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part of that video last Friday.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir.

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Speaker 4: And you saw how upset she was when she was

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answering your lawyer's questions about how this had affected her right, yes, yes,

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And all your attorney say, should we do we need

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to take a break? Yes, And you saw her say no,

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let's get let's go on and get this over with. Yes, sir,

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you saw all that. Yes, you knew she was upset,

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just like she.

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Speaker 3: Knew I was upset when she was standing in front

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of my kids with AR fifteen, with her hand around

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the trigger, ready to shoot me, just like she knew.

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I was upset when she cut my cameras. But I'm

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not a person she is. So I'm sorry for being

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a victim. Let's talk about the predators. Okay.

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Speaker 4: So you saw all that, You saw how upset she was.

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testimony at the depositions about Randy Newland's daughter who came

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home upset. You heard all that, but you're still posting

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stuff about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I understand it was Randy's fault and all

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of their fault for coming to my house in the

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first place. So if they hadn't came to my house,

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their children wouldn't be saying nothing. None of this would

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be going home if they had a did their research

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and did things right. So all of this is their fault,

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and now they want to assume me for their mistake.

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Speaker 4: Is there anything that could change your mind about what

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you're doing to these deputies?

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Speaker 3: Is there anything that can change my mind about the

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fact that they shouldn't have been at my house in

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the first place. Is there anything that can change my

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mind about how my money shouldn't have been touched in

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the first place.

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Speaker 4: No, that's all the questions I have. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's that lawyer write down, doesn't he.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's very smart, very articulate. He knew exactly

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how to handle that. Very impressive.

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Speaker 2: I forgot about the part where they had flipped off

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the camera before they disconnected the camera.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they flip off the camera, they disconnect the camera.

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They're making faces about it like they think it's all

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like they treat it like it's all a big joke. Yeah,

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that's the thing too. They're having fun during their little raid.

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Speaker 2: And they're expecting that they're going to walk into this

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black man home who's a rapper and saying about pot

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and find all kinds of drugs, right, you know, he

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must be a drug dealer. And I still don't understand

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the kidnapping thing. I don't think anybody will because they

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never really expounded upon it. You know, they really didn't.

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any evidence. They literally walked out of that house with nothing.

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Bump gus. They found nothing to implicate him and anything whatsoever. Right,

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and there wasn't an I'm sorry, No, there wasn't. I'll

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let us help you fix the gate.

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Speaker 1: And that's something right, and that's why he made that

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song will you help me fix my gate?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Or will you help me fix my doors? Actually the

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title and something people should probably who might not realize too,

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is that that's actually pretty typical from what I understand,

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if the police show up. You know, there's this stories

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you don't even have to look that hard, where you know,

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maybe the police get a bad tip, or maybe they

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show up. They accidentally show up at the wrong house.

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Speaker 2: That's happened many times.

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Speaker 1: And you know what if that happens and they show

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up and they wreck your home and it turns out, oops,

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we made a mistake, the address wrong, you know what

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they do for you then? Nothing? Yeah, that's just like

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a standard thing in American law enforcement. If the cops

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make a mistake and wreck your world, what will they

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do to make it right? Nothing?

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Speaker 2: They don't care. Was it last year or the year before?

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hundred years old with her walker and she's like pushing

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her walker into the cops, going get out, get out,

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of my house, get out. Yeah, she was the wrong

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addressed person. Yeah, and she died. She had a heart

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attack and died within like a day of that issue.

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Speaker 1: And they don't care. And look, I'm not somebody who

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Speaker 2: They don't care because of immunities.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good qualified immunity and all that. And look, I'm

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not anybody who knows me knows I'm not somebody who's

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reflexively anti law enforcement. I think they're you know, I

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always say, celebrate the heroes, but condemn the villains. Just

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like any profession, you've got good ones and bad ones.

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You've got Look, you've got people, You've got people in

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law enforcement out there every day putting themselves in jeopardy,

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you know, doing great work, important work. And I love

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the heroes, but I hate the villains. And the cops

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who did this to Afroman clearly are villains. Yeah. They

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they wreck his home, they don't do anything to make

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it right, and then they sue him for doing something

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that we talk about all the time on the show.

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When you when you take bad things that happen to you,

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traumatic events, and this seems like something that would be

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pretty traumatic for anyone to go through when you take

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bad things, negative things, and you create art out of it. Yep,

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taking something bad and then creating something positive from that,

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that's the best therapy that there is, right to actually

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create art that not only helps you process what's happened

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to you, but can help others too, who can then

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relate to the art that you've created and enjoy that art.

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And that is exactly what Afroman did. He took something

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horrible that happened to him and to his family and

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to his home and his own home, in his own home,

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on his own camera and created art. Yes, and and

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the you know these these poor police who you know,

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they're so big and tough when they're they're doing their

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little raid, but then they get their feelings hurt. All

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their feelings are so hurt when people laugh and make

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fun of them.

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Speaker 2: Nobody would have been laughing and making fun of They've

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done their jobs correctly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right.

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Speaker 2: So he's right about that, in the bigger issue being

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that if artists, if he had lost and artists would

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be judged on talking about the moments in their life

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that have been traumatic, you are shutting down music entirely

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right now. At the mosaic Ar Collective, I am a

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piece hanging called the cell and that comes out of

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a dark space, and that is a piece of art

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that other people relate to, and they talk to me

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about their stories and how they've related to that piece,

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because that's what art is. It's a relationship with the artist.

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When you listen to music, whether it's something funny that

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makes you laugh, or it's something serious about a death,

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something you connect into. So he's expressing trauma that occurred

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in a fun way in a way that we can

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relate to, and being file about it, being funny about it. Yeah,

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he's not saying go out and do harm to people. No,

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he's not being violent in language at all. He's literally

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taking something bad and making it funny and sharing it

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with us and sharing that in a way that you

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can laugh at it with him.

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Speaker 1: And it's and it's the truth. Nothing he said was false, right,

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And nothing in these videos that he makes is false.

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It's all from his security footage from his own home.

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Speaker 2: And that would be the if you're going to go

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after somebody for saying something about you, it's got to

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be untrue. If it's true, what are you doing it? Doesn't?

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You know? Truth is truth? You know if he if

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he was making songs calling them everything under the sun

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that was not real, then maybe they then they got

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a leg to stand on. Then that's deformation the character.

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If I say you're a thief, Oh, Matt, I'm faming

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your character. Now. If you got arrested for thievery, and

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I said, and you got convicted of it, I said, oh,

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he got convicted of thiever. You're a thief. You can't

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sue me for deformation because it's true. Nothing he said

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wasn't true. And that's something he actually said on the stand.

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It was a three day trial. I watched not all

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of it, but I watched a decent portion of it.

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But I will say the thing that I was most

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impressed by was every single time they tried to catch

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Afromon up to try and make him the bad guy

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doing something to them, he answered as clearly, as concisely

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as we heard in.

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Speaker 1: What you play, very very smart guy.

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Speaker 2: And he kept saying in it because it's truth. He

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kept saying it and sticking to his truth. Every single time.

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I didn't do anything to anyone. They did it to themselves.

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They put themselves in my home. They chose to not

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go through my home the way they're supposed to go

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through my home. Yeah, you're not supposed to raid the kitchen.

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I don't think that's part of your job. Sorry. If

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you're hunger, you get a snack, bring it with you. Yeah,

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that's not how it's supposed to work.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the pound cake does look good.

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Speaker 2: It did look good. I do like lemon pound cake.

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Speaker 1: We should I want to look at the actually, well

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let's look at the NPR article. I do want to

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go through this. One's pretty thorough. I just I want

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to go through this and just make sure we didn't

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miss any important details because this all did just just conclude. Oh,

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by the way, too, shout out to my friend Mark

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Castick if he's listening or if he hears this later.

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He did update his profile picture. He's got a picture

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of him with Afroman, because I think he had interviewed

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him at some point and he just updated his profile

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picture on Facebook. But that's pretty cool Mark. So NPR

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dot org. This is from This is from NPR dot

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org from two days ago. Afroman prevails in cops music

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video defamation suit after a brief but viral trial. So

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it says here Afroman was just trying to turn lemons

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into lemon pound cake when he started making music videos

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and social media posts mocking law enforcement officers who conducted

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a heavy handed raid on his Ohio home. Home surveillance

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video of the August twenty twenty two raids shows half

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a dozen gun wielding law enforcement officers from the Adams

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County Sheriff's Office deputies kicking down his door, combing through

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a CD collection, going through his suit pockets, flipping through

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a wad of cash, and in one case, briefly getting

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distracted by a cake dish on the kitchen counter. The

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search on suspicion of drug trafficking and kidnapping didn't yield

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any evidence or charges against the rapper, whose legal name

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is Joseph Foreman, but he saw officers broke his ohbody says.

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Officers broke his gate and security surveillance wiring, took four

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hundred dollars in cash and frightened his family. He wasn't

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home at the time, but his wife and kids, then

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ten and twelve, were present. Oh my god, Yeah, they

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were whole. Yeah. Can you imagine ten and twelve year

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old kids?

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Speaker 2: Well, like he said, and you imagine how upset my

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kids were when you were pointing guns in their faces yep, yep,

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because he was trying to make him feel guilty because

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one of the cops got so upset that they might

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have had to take a break during their deposition.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the scops are sociopaths.

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Speaker 2: You didn't care how upset I was when you poot

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guns in my filed in face.

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Speaker 1: Right, And they don't care. They absolutely do not.

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Speaker 2: Care because what they do is allowable. It's this immunity

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of I can get away with anything I want to

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get away with and it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely they.

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Speaker 2: And it shouldn't be that way. They should be accountable.

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They should have to fix damage that they create, of course, yeah,

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especially when it's wrong. And I'd like to know how

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they got the search warn't what was the evidence?

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, he addresses that. In one of the songs.

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He names the judge who signed the warrant.

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Speaker 2: No, no, but what was the evidence that they gave

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this judge for the third.

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Speaker 1: The informant that just made this stuff up and told them.

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Speaker 2: That's all it was.

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Speaker 1: That's all it was. That's all it took.

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Speaker 2: Yep, all it took. Yeah, Well that is how it

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takes sometimes just somebody saying something wrong.

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Speaker 1: It says lying, it says your Afroman told NPR in

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twenty twenty three, quote, I asked myself, as a powerless

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black man in America, what can I do to the

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cops that kicked my door in, tried to kill me

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in front of my kids, stole my money, and disconnected

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my cameras. And the only thing I could come up

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with was make a funny rap song about them, use

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the money to pay for the damages they did, and

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move on. Unquote. The rapper, best known for early hits

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like Because I Got High and Crazy Rap I Don't

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Even Remember that one, made waves again with the twenty

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twenty three release of Lemon Pound Cake. It's fourteen songs

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have titles like the Police Raid, why are you disconnecting

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my video camera? And will you help me repair my door?

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Featuring home surveillance footage in the music videos. He also

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posted memes and sold merchandise satirizing the incident and people involved.

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Common themes ranged from poking fun at the deputy's appearances,

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comparing them to family guys Peter Griffin and Quasimodo from

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the Hunchback of Notre Dame, two more serious allegations of

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extra amrital affairs and a word I'm not going to

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say that starts with a P amongst department members. Afroman

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called the approach quote the smartest, most peaceful solution unquote,

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but the sheriff's deputies disagreed. The seven law enforcement officers

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sued him in twenty twenty three for defamation and invasion

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of privacy, saying his unauthorized use of their likenesses hurt

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their reputations and made it harder to do their jobs.

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They sought the contents removal and three point nine million

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dollars in damages. So about that four million? Yeah, that

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didn't stop Afroman from releasing in He's seeing Lee personal

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songs about the deputies deputies involved, including one ahead of

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his trial this week called the batter Ram Hymn of

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the Police Whistleblower, which I am going to play and

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edited version at the end of the segment. But that

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contains well. By the way, you have to see the video,

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he's marching solemnly in an American flagsuit, the same one

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he wore at the trial. If you haven't seen it,

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you got to see the suit he's wearing but he

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also wears it in the video, and it's got lyrics

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like they vandalized my property, my money came up short,

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they disconnect my cameras because they are a poor sport.

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They're the predators and the victims, and they're suing me

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in court. My proof's on the internet. The three day

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trial focused on heavy topics like policing and free speech,

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though there was no shortage of viral sitcom esque exchanges.

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On Wednesday, after less than a day of deliberations, the

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jury sided squarely with the rapper, Thank goodness. Afroman told

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reporters outside the court, dressed in his American flag pattern

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suit tye and aviators topped with a white fur coat,

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he said, quote, I didn't win. America won. America still

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has freedom of speech. It's still for the people, by

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the people. Unquote. The deputy's lawyer, Robert Klingler. I guess

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they so this was a joint suit. They all had.

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hopes of putting false accusations behind them. He said they

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would quote review the verdict and consider any appropriate next

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steps unquote, thus implying they're going to try to appeal it.

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Both sides clearly felt wronged by the other, but the

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primary question before the jury was whether Afroman's response to

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the raid counted as protected free speech. He and the

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lawyer argued it did. He and his lawyer argued it did.

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The rapper said, from the stand quote, I got the right.

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because we already played the clip. But he also said

474
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,519
some of this, uh, none of this would have happened

475
00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:11,559
if they hadn't raided his house, so uh. Klingler, the

476
00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,119
lawyer for the deputies, framed it to the jury this way.

477
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,880
Quote a search warrant executes, I'm sorry, a search warrant

478
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:24,319
execution that you think was unfair doesn't justify telling intentional

479
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,799
lies designed to hurt people unquote. He said, a verdict

480
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:30,519
in their favor would quote make up in some way

481
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,240
for what they've been through unquote the like these they've

482
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,599
been through, these terribly unsympathetic people that you can't possibly

483
00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,759
feel sorry for, you psychotic.

484
00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:44,079
Speaker 2: So what did it do to them when they pointed

485
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:44,880
the guns at the children?

486
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding, huh, Yeah, we're supposed to never.

487
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,039
Speaker 2: Mind the children, never mind their dad. None of that.

488
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: We're supposed to forget that.

489
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:56,279
Speaker 2: Let's remember there's no lie. He didn't say anything, right, untrue. Right,

490
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,799
he literally spoke what you see on camera.

491
00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: Okay, Now this next part's funny. This this involves Sean Cooley,

492
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,599
the pound cake guy. Okay, So Sean Cooley, the now

493
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,200
retired deputy who has caught on camera checking out the cake,

494
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:16,440
said he's received hundreds of poundcakes at work from different

495
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,880
people and was even recognized by cops while working cases

496
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,119
and other jurisdictions, in addition to his own community members.

497
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:27,680
See if he were smart, If he were, he's an

498
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,319
older guy. He doesn't get it. If you were smart,

499
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,960
he would actually just lean into that. Yeah, have fun

500
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:32,160
with it.

501
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: But he's like take him to a local nursing home

502
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,880
and deliver them in chair. Yeah, like sure everybody eats them.

503
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,039
Speaker 1: He probably threw them away, But he's just a dumb,

504
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,799
fat cop from Ohio. He doesn't know any better. Yeah,

505
00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:44,799
he probably did. He probably was so keep it. Probably

506
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:45,680
did just throw them away.

507
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,799
Speaker 2: Do you mean you expecting me to do my job?

508
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,599
I was in the kitten, I was policing the food.

509
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,839
Speaker 1: Cooley said, quote, I had one guy come out of

510
00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:57,480
a bedroom after me, call me a thief and want

511
00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:01,079
to know why I stole Afroman's money. It just went

512
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,519
from being a nice, quiet community, a job you felt safe,

513
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:06,440
and to a place where you had to look over

514
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:07,759
your shoulder every second.

515
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: Quote people in the community were parently.

516
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: Doing yeah, no kidding. Another Brian Newland, said he was

517
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:18,599
forced to quit his dream job with the Sheriff's office

518
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,680
due to Afroman's claims of him being a and it

519
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,920
starts with a p I'm not gonna say it, which

520
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,599
he denies. Deputy Lisa Phillips cried on the stand.

521
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: Apparently his brother was convicted or something like that, and

522
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:34,759
there's something about that as to how he gets Oh yeah,

523
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,160
there's more to that use of that word.

524
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,759
Speaker 1: Also, Lisa Phillips cried on the stand on Afroman's mean songs.

525
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:47,759
When asked if he saw that, Afroman acknowledged that Phillips

526
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:51,519
was upset by the online trolling. Quote just like I

527
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,400
was upset when she was standing in front of my

528
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,279
kids with an AR fifteen in her hand around the trigger.

529
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,720
But I'm not a person, so I'm sorry for being

530
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,319
a vic. Let's talk about the predators.

531
00:27:01,799 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: And that was That was just a mic dropping gold

532
00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:07,200
right there. Oh yeah, you know, yeah, let's talk about

533
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,359
never mind the victim, we'll talk about the predators. That

534
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,720
that that was a great line. He's right. The kids

535
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:15,480
was like ten in eight ease old ten and twelve,

536
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,519
ten and twelve, yep. And how much therapy are they

537
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,160
going to be in forever? And how much trauma are

538
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,880
they going to care for the rest of their lives

539
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,480
over that? Yeah, no kidding, yeah, gets to make enough

540
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,359
money to put him in college.

541
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: It says. In addition to traumatizing his family and damaging

542
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,160
his property, Afroman maintained that the deputies stole money from him.

543
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,279
They seized thousands of dollars in cash from his home,

544
00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:40,240
which Afroman said was payment for a gig, but returned

545
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,839
at four hundred dollars short. The Sheriff's office has explained

546
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:47,759
the discrepancy by saying deputies originally miscounted the money, which

547
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:51,720
Newland took responsibility for on the stand. Oh, they miscounted

548
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:54,279
exactly four hundred, yes, round number.

549
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:56,599
Speaker 2: Yes, he just he just counted it wrong.

550
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The defense only called one Okay, this

551
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:06,400
part's fun too. The defense only called one witness, Ronda Groomes,

552
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:11,880
a teacher and the ex wife of sheriff's deputy Cooley Yep.

553
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,799
She was asked whether she and her students were familiar

554
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,880
with the Cardi B song wapp Wap, which if you

555
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,559
don't know what it stands for, you'll have to google it.

556
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:24,079
We can't say it here clearly, which stirred controversy with

557
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,200
its overtly to put it mildly sexual lyrics in twenty twenty,

558
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,119
and testified that none of them took the words literally.

559
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,279
Afroman's lawyer, David Osborne Junior, pointed to other explicit rap

560
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:38,240
songs to argue that artists tend to exaggerate for the

561
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,279
sake of entertainment. At one point, he argued that no

562
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:46,079
one listens to Lil Wayne's song p Monster, I'll just

563
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:48,599
say it that way and says there's a monster in

564
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,720
that song, oh okay. In other words, nobody listens to

565
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,640
that and takes it literally. He said that's what Afroman

566
00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:56,359
was doing in his songs, and that many of the

567
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,839
terms that deputies found defensive were not facts but matters

568
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,279
of opinion, like one that calls Sergeant Randy Waters a

569
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:06,279
son of a bee, which Osborne said there was no

570
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:12,480
definitive way to prove or disprove she's been dead for years,

571
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,440
Walters replied, matter of fact, lee, prompting a chuckle and

572
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:18,559
condolences from the defense lawyer regarding as his mother. So

573
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,279
no way to prove or disprove that she was a

574
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:24,640
bee at LISTA, Walters said something mildly clever for you

575
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:31,160
know this dumb hillbilly quote unquote. Sheriff in his closing statements,

576
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,640
Osborne appointed to a rap as pointed to rap as

577
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,880
an established form of social commentary, saying police and public

578
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,400
officials are called names online all the time, whether whether

579
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,240
or not they like it, and he rephrased the plaintiff's

580
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,319
question about what a liable verdict would mean. Osborne said, quote,

581
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,440
what does this message send if we find that music

582
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,759
and social commentary, while maybe not the most tasteful thing

583
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:57,759
in the world, is silenced because a public official was

584
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:02,519
hurt by it? Unquote. Some of the most fever dream

585
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,839
like moments of the trial took off in social media

586
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:10,160
eclips Afroman defiant in his American flag suit, deputies soberly

587
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,400
discussing lemon pound cake, the defense lawyers garbling of Cardi

588
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:20,599
B's name Most of the commenters remarked that by bringing

589
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,119
the case to court, the deputies brought it to the

590
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,039
public's attention. Several highlighted the irony of an invasion of

591
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:31,160
privacy case going viral online, calling it an example of

592
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,519
the Streisand effect, named after Barbara Streisand's two thousand and

593
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,519
three lawsuit to remove a photo of her home from

594
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,279
the web that only brought more eyes to it. The

595
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:43,119
Lemon pound Cake music video has three point eight million

596
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,319
views on YouTube as of Thursday, and the top comments

597
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:50,720
were all about the trial. One commenter wrote, shout out

598
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,920
to the cops for making sure I saw this absolute

599
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:59,359
bop yep. Afroman, who said on the stand that he

600
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,599
it did an estimated two hundred and fifty shows last year,

601
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,119
acknowledged that the attention had boosted his follower account, which

602
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,880
is almost six hundred thousand on Instagram alone. All the

603
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,119
publicity from the officers lawsuit on me is running up

604
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,680
my numbers unquote. So there you go. So and that's

605
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,480
kind of the you know, if there's a happy ending

606
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:22,480
to this. Not only not only did Afroman win in

607
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,680
court and this is an important you know, it's funny

608
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,799
and silly and goofy as it might seem, in some ways,

609
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:30,680
it's actually a very important victory for the First Amendment

610
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,839
for free spot art, for art.

611
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: Art entirely because that could easily translate into picture art.

612
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:38,960
It doesn't you know, you know, I do a I

613
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:43,599
do a political picture art, and it does a charriacature

614
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,680
of somebody in a negative light.

615
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:49,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. But also this, the other part of the happy

616
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,279
ending is this has helped Afroman's career tremendously.

617
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,119
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Yeah, I bet he's getting even more well.

618
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, because without they blew him up, without all of this, Yeah,

619
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:01,440
I mean, he's you know, he's relevant in twenty twenty

620
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,200
six because of this.

621
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: If they do another trial, if they go after him again,

622
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,119
they're just gonna keep it that much more in the light.

623
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,200
You'll get that much more views, I don't think, and

624
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,880
he probably gets to raise his rate for what he

625
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:13,680
gets paid for a performance.

626
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna go through with trying to

627
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,519
appeal it. He's stupid, a waste of money. But but yeah, I.

628
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,599
Speaker 2: Mean, stupid is a stupid does Isn't that what?

629
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:24,759
Speaker 1: Because without all of this, if none of this had happened,

630
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:26,880
he would just be you know the guy. Oh yeah,

631
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:28,599
af me and I remember him. He had that song

632
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,680
because I got high.

633
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:31,079
Speaker 2: Right, you know what I mean. But that's not the

634
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:33,960
thing anymore. Right now, it's not about that anymore. It's

635
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,039
about Lemon pound Gate.

636
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,039
Speaker 1: And now he's a free speech First Amendment icon because

637
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:41,480
of all this. So he stood in the good for him.

638
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:43,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, he stood in the line of fire and defended

639
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,119
the ability of an artist to be able to can

640
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,279
produce the music they want to produce, be a good batter, indifferent.

641
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:51,160
You don't have to like it, but they have the

642
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,119
right to say it. That's basic free speech.

643
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, absolutely one.

644
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: So this is an important win the jokes. Yeah, this

645
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:05,000
is a very important win for the music industry and

646
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:09,039
for the artistry in and of itself. Yeah, especially these

647
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,880
days when people do like to pick apart things and

648
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,279
try and go after people. Yeah, it's really important to

649
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:19,480
reinforce that the First Amendment applies to art, it applies

650
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:20,200
to all of us.

651
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna play yeah, yeah, we were gonna

652
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,279
do do another one of them. I think I'm gonna

653
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,880
play this track batter ram batter ram him, because that's

654
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,240
what they used to break down his door him of

655
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:37,400
the police whistleblower. I think'm gonna play this now. I

656
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,640
did make a radio edit of this last night when

657
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,240
I came in right before Paul's show. Afromann songs for

658
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:47,000
the most part, the songs that he's been releasing are

659
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,640
completely clean. Uh. But in other words, there's no swearest.

660
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,559
But there was one word in this song I was

661
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,519
uncomfortable with. So and it starts with a P. It

662
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:57,119
came up a couple times in that article. I won't

663
00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:00,000
say it on the air for a couple of time,

664
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,960
different reasons, but so I did take that word out.

665
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,279
There's also another word in it that he actually self censors.

666
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:08,039
But you can figure out what he's going for. But

667
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:09,960
I think we should play this to end the segment

668
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,159
or discussion about Afroman. Unless you had anything to add,

669
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,000
we can. We'll play this out of them. Yeah, yeah,

670
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,800
proud of him, absolutely.

671
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: Way to stand up for everybody. Yeah, well done, sir.

672
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,119
Speaker 1: I know it's funny. Like I said, I didn't like

673
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,119
that song back in two thousand and one, and I

674
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,119
couldn't wait for it to go away, and I really

675
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,119
had no interest in the guy. And you know, here

676
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,639
we are twenty five years later, and I'm while like

677
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,920
like while celebrating his victory in court.

678
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: And having favorite songs. Now you and I both love

679
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:37,440
pound cakes.

680
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,159
Speaker 1: I'm twenty five years later, I'm now a fan of Afroman.

681
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,519
It's funny.

682
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: So thank you PD for doing that. Let's rechoose to

683
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,280
do it again. I'm sure he will take a few

684
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,519
more million listeners.

685
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, all right here it is this

686
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,599
is bad Or ram him of the police, whistled lower

687
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the radio. Edit by Afroman