WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:32.399 Welcome back to part two of our series about the 2 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:35.039 murder of Patsy Wright. Let's dive right back into it. 3 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:38.600 But even so, they never found any direct evidence that 4 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:41.240 Steve and Sally were involved in this, even though Sally 5 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:43.439 had been struggling with cancer at the time. I do 6 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:46.359 believe that she is still alive today. I haven't found 7 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:49.119 any obituary for her, and as far as I can tell, 8 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:51.719 she remained with Steve, and a lot of people from 9 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:54.200 their personal lives were saying that, yeah, I could kind 10 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:56.439 of see Steve doing something like this because of his 11 00:00:56.520 --> 00:01:00.479 financial issues. But they also said that Sally and Patsy 12 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.119 had a really strong relationship and they don't think she 13 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:05.799 would have been capable of being involved in this or 14 00:01:05.879 --> 00:01:08.239 covering for Steve if he was involved in this. And 15 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:10.120 when you look at the series of events, you're thinking 16 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:12.879 to yourself, well, if they killed her, then both of 17 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:14.920 them would have to be involved. But they just don't 18 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:16.640 think that that fits Sally's character. 19 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:20.439 Yeah, that makes sense. I mean I could see a 20 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:24.640 scenario where Sally could have her suspicions and turn a 21 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:29.120 blind eye and maybe even do things to support her husband. 22 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:33.400 Because in the end, it's like my sister is deceased now, 23 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:35.640 and there's nothing that I can do to bring her back. 24 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:38.599 But what I can do is try to preserve my 25 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:43.120 lifestyle and preserve my life and not have Steve go 26 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:46.359 to prison and not have our name sullied and have 27 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:48.920 all the drama and theatrics that goes along with it. 28 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:51.920 So there's a lot of different motivations that somebody can 29 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:55.879 have after the fact, covering up a crime without maybe 30 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.120 even having direct knowledge, but just having a suspicion of it. 31 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:02.239 Yeah, So, I mean she did benefit from it, even 32 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:04.519 though she apparently had a close relationship with her sister, 33 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.760 because she wound up inheriting the six million dollars net 34 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:10.520 worth from the two wax museums, so well, they didn't 35 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:12.360 consider her to be a suspect. It could be a 36 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:16.000 thing where maybe she becomes suspicious about Steve after the fact. 37 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.120 But she's saying to herself, well, I've got these two 38 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:20.719 successful museums. I've now got a lot of money. It's 39 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:24.000 solved dollar financial problems. So maybe I'll stay quiet about 40 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:26.319 the whole thing in order to avoid ruining our lives. 41 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:29.879 Yeah, like don't rock the boat type of a thing, 42 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.759 and I'm sure that she was dealing with the grief 43 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:35.759 of losing her sister, and then the idea of blowing 44 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:39.719 up her life in order to get justice might not 45 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:42.479 have been the top priority for her when she may 46 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.159 have felt like she was getting everything that she wanted. Unfortunately, 47 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.879 she was with somebody that wasn't responsible financially, and she 48 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.879 was in a much better position now, So if she 49 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:54.840 was to go to law enforcement, all that could be 50 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:55.439 taken away. 51 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.039 Yeah, that's why I'm thinking that even if she got 52 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:01.039 justice for her sister, financially, her life would be completely 53 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:03.599 ruined and she might not been wanting to rock the boat. 54 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:06.560 So another suspect that they looked at was a man 55 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:09.800 named Leo Fikes, as this had been Patsy's last serious 56 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:13.280 relationship before she got involved with Larry Todd. I know 57 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:16.919 that Patsy started dating Leo after her second marriage came 58 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:19.560 to an end, and he was apparently crazy about her 59 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:22.199 and wanted to get married, but after going through two 60 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.080 previous divorces, Patsy said that she was in no hurry 61 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:27.639 to get married again, so that pretty much spelled the 62 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:30.639 end of the relationship, and Leo started looking like a 63 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:33.759 potential suspect because he owned a chemical company, so they 64 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.159 started thinking, hmm, I wonder if he may have had 65 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:39.520 access to Strict nine. But Leo was described as being 66 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.120 very cooperative with the authorities, and he also passed a 67 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:45.520 polygraph and they did look into the chemical company's background 68 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:48.240 and find out that they did not use Strict nine 69 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:51.439 or have access to it. So they pretty much cleared 70 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:53.560 Leo as a suspect and did not believe that he 71 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:54.599 had a motive to do this. 72 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:57.199 Yeah, that makes sense. I mean it's sort of like 73 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:00.000 if he was going to use chemical, it would be 74 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:03.000 like a chemical of opportunity. I would think something that 75 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:05.800 he would have access to at a chemical company, you 76 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.400 wouldn't go and procure something outside of that because that 77 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:12.719 may draw attention to you. So yeah, he's not really 78 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:14.639 looking like that grade of a suspect. 79 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:16.800 But a crazy side story is that one of the 80 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:19.360 reasons that Leo popped up on the radar is because 81 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.199 someone made an anonymous phone call to the police saying 82 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:24.360 you should look at Leo. He was involved in a 83 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:27.160 relationship with a woman named Linda Donna, who who was 84 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:30.319 murdered in June of nineteen eighty seven, only three months 85 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:34.079 before Patsy's death, and Leo said that he'd only dated 86 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:37.000 Linda a few times, the relationship was not that serious. 87 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:39.720 And then in two thousand and five, they finally used 88 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:43.040 DNA evidence to link the crime to a serial killer 89 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.000 named Roger Fain, which proved beyond a shadow of a 90 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:47.959 doubt that Leo had nothing to do with it. But 91 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:50.279 then you look at the timeline and you're like, this 92 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:52.879 poor man, two women that he dated wound up being 93 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:55.560 murdered within three months of each other, and he had 94 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:57.920 nothing to do with either of the crimes. So talk 95 00:04:57.959 --> 00:04:58.839 about rotten luck. 96 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.000 This is some horrible luck. The probability seems so low 97 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:05.879 that you would be with one person that's murdered, let 98 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:09.519 alone two people, and then it just the probability is 99 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:11.600 even lower that it would be within like a three 100 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:14.759 month period, And it seems so suspicious when you look 101 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.279 at it on the surface without delving into the details. 102 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:21.160 But when you do, you realize, this poor man is 103 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:23.639 just his life is marred with all of this tragedy. 104 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:26.040 I can't imagine the impact it must have had. 105 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.120 It was, yeah, but I don't see Leo being a 106 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:32.040 even though this case is technically still Unsolved. I don't 107 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.519 see Leo being a compelling suspect in that Patsy's case. 108 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:37.800 And one other thing I wanted to mention is that 109 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:40.560 because this was on the first season of Unsolved Mysteries, 110 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:42.399 this was back during the era when they used a 111 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:45.120 lot of the real people associated with the case and 112 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:48.480 the reenactments, and the one about Patsy starts out with 113 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:50.959 the reenactment of your funeral, and you see a lot 114 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.879 of the real people like Leo and her two children 115 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:57.160 and Sally and Steve playing themselves in the reenactment of 116 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.920 the funeral, and watching it today, that just seems bob 117 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:02.360 because this is one of the most traumatic moments of 118 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:05.319 their lives and here they are willing to appear on TV, 119 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:07.839 even though they are not actors, to like recreate a 120 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:09.600 funeral of someone they loved. 121 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:14.079 Yeah, it was wild times back then to think of 122 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:18.879 these recreations even being done. To ask family members to 123 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:22.439 do that, to relive, like what would have been some 124 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:27.360 of the most traumatic and emotionally impactful times of their lives, 125 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:30.279 and to share it with viewers at home, that's a 126 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.639 big ask. Like it's one thing to do in interview, 127 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.079 but it's a whole other to reenact. 128 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:37.759 Yeah, and I can see why Unsolved Mysteries during their 129 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:40.240 later seasons pretty much stopped doing that and they would 130 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:43.199 pretty much get actors every single time for the reenactments. 131 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.000 But if you look at the early seasons, I guess 132 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.120 it adds a feeling of realism and authenticity to them 133 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:50.360 when you see the real people right there on screen 134 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:52.600 reenacting those. It was kind of like when I was 135 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:55.360 a kid, I sometimes couldn't figure out that the reenactments 136 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:57.720 were stage. So I'm thinking of myself, why is the 137 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:01.000 cameraman still filming when all these horrible crimes are taking place? 138 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:05.000 Your little kid brain is just like, oh my gosh, 139 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:07.639 why is there a guy they're filming and he's not helping? 140 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.240 Yeah? Why is it still unsolved? If they capture the 141 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:14.120 murder right here on camera? Yeah, when you're eight years old, 142 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:14.839 that's how you think. 143 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:16.079 Is this true? 144 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.160 Yep? So now I need to talk about Patsy's second 145 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:21.879 ex husband, And what's interesting is that he happens to 146 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:24.959 share the name with an infamous figure and another case 147 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:27.759 that we have covered. Does the name Robert Cox ring 148 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:28.360 a bell to you? 149 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:31.720 Yeah, Robert Cox sounds familiar from. 150 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.079 The Springfield three case. He was the guy who was 151 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:36.959 in prison for kidnapping who claims that he knows the 152 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.240 truth about what happened to the three missing women, but 153 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:42.000 will not reveal it until after his mother passes away. 154 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:44.680 So it's still up for debate if he was responsible 155 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.920 for their disappearances. But rest assured this Robert Cox is 156 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:49.800 not the same Robert Cox from that case. 157 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:53.519 So weird when you get these names and they intersect, 158 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:57.120 and it's like the six degrees of separation with any 159 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:59.680 true crime case. Basically you can connect them all. 160 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.920 Yes, but Robert Cox sounds like a fairly common name, 161 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:04.680 so I guess it shouldn't be surprised that he has 162 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:08.279 popped up in two separate cases that are unconnected to 163 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:12.319 each other. But following her divorce from her first husband, Bill, 164 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:15.360 Patsy became involved in a relationship with a man named 165 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:18.639 Robert Cox, who was separated from his first wife and 166 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:21.439 he had a couple children from his first marriage. And 167 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:24.319 even though Patsy felt that Robert was charming at first, 168 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:27.839 he turned into an altogether different person after they got married, 169 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.199 as he was verbally abusive towards Patsy and pretty much 170 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:34.320 lived off her money. He also had severe gambling problem, 171 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:36.480 and it got to the point where the IRS planned 172 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:39.639 to seize Patsy's assets in order to pay off Bob's 173 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:43.200 tax debts. And there was pretty much a big turning 174 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.399 point when Patsy became acquainted with a counselor who had 175 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:49.600 worked with Robert and his previous wife, And even though 176 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.000 this stuff is supposed to be confidential, the counselor flat 177 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:55.080 out told Patsy Robert is a sociopath, so you should 178 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:57.879 get away from him. And that's when they finally decided 179 00:08:57.879 --> 00:09:00.799 to divorce in nineteen eighty four after being married for 180 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:04.000 only one year, and Patsy was even forced to obtain 181 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:06.720 a restraining order against Robert because he was following her 182 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:09.440 around and harassing her, and she even said that she 183 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.039 saw him parked outside her house on numerous occasions. So obviously, 184 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.559 on the surface, this guy looks like a compelling suspect. 185 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:20.960 Uh yeah, the guy is a stalker with major financial 186 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:25.000 problems and to the point where Patsy's assets were going 187 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:30.240 to get seized. He sounds horrible. He sounds financially abusive 188 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:34.679 and potentially abusive in other ways. I can't even imagine 189 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:36.440 what it was like for her to be married to him. 190 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:38.919 I'm sure she was so happy to be free of him. 191 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.080 I guess that spags the question was she ever truly 192 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:44.000 free of him? 193 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:47.440 And that's what's crazy, is the whole detail about the counselor, 194 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:50.159 because they're supposed to keep this stuff like confidential, and 195 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.639 she's flat out saying that, oh, based on my sessions 196 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:54.279 with him and his first wife, you should leave him 197 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:56.960 because he's a sociopath. Like ouch. That must show that 198 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:58.919 he must have been really bad if the counselor was 199 00:09:59.159 --> 00:09:59.879 willing to do that. 200 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:02.879 Oh my gosh. It's like that scene from Ghosts when 201 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:05.919 Whoopie Goldberg, it's also popular meme is like you in 202 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:06.799 danger girl. 203 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:08.559 Yeah, that's pretty much what it was like. 204 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:12.200 Yeah, exactly, And it's like, I'm going to forego my 205 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:15.440 ethical obligation here because it Maybe it was because she 206 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.320 felt like he might commit a crime and that her 207 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:23.480 physical wellbeing and emotional wellbeing could be harmed by him, 208 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:26.440 because that's what he was capable of in the past. 209 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:30.200 I think to breach those ethical obligations, you would have 210 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.360 to feel like there was a reasonable expectation that harm 211 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:36.440 could be brought to the party that you are then 212 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:39.559 treating or that you're familiar with. I don't think that 213 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.440 anybody would enter into disclosure of that information lightly. So 214 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:46.360 I think it speaks to just how scary Robert Cox 215 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:47.240 potentially was. 216 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:52.000 Yeah, so that's probably why the counselor decided to do that. Now, 217 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:54.879 their divorce took place in nineteen eighty four, and Patsy's 218 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:57.320 death took place three years after the fact, but he 219 00:10:57.399 --> 00:10:59.919 had recently re entered her life for a very off. 220 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.240 Because wax museums are a big part of this story, 221 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:06.279 it turned out that Robert actually owned his own wax 222 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:09.600 museum before he got married to Patsy, because, like I said, 223 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:12.200 they seemed to be insanely popular in Texas during the 224 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:15.919 nineteen eighties. And this wax museum wound up being destroyed 225 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.879 in a fire in February of nineteen eighty three. But 226 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:23.039 because it wasn't particularly successful and Robert was in financial 227 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:26.440 problems was in financial trouble at the time, the insurance 228 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.639 company started believing that he may have started the fire himself. 229 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:32.480 They refused to pay out Robert's claims, so he decided 230 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:35.000 to file suit against them, and at the time of 231 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:37.840 Patsy's death, a civil trial was about to take place 232 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.639 over the matter, and Patsy apparently had some pretty incriminating 233 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:45.759 information about financial misdeeds that Robert had committed during their marriage, 234 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.840 and she was scheduled to testify against them in the 235 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:53.559 insurance company's case. Robert apparently contacted Patsy on several occasions 236 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.399 to convince her de line her testimony, which she refused 237 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:59.039 to do because they left on such bad terms. So 238 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:01.480 she's like, why am I going to help you? And 239 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.000 of course, because Patsy wound up dying before she could testify, 240 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:08.360 only ten days before the civil trial began, Robert had 241 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:11.360 a motive for wanting her dead. And Robert did eventually 242 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:13.759 wind up winning the civil trial and was awarded one 243 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:17.080 point three million dollars as it cannot be conclusively proven 244 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:19.679 that he started the fire. But of course the trial 245 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:21.960 may have turned out differently if Patsy had been willing 246 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.799 to testify. So, as you can imagine, alarm bells are 247 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:26.639 going off over everyone's head. 248 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:30.200 For Robert, well, it sounds like he's got one million, 249 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:32.879 three hundred thousand reasons to want Patsy dead. 250 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.440 Yeah, exactly, And unlike the other suspects in this case, 251 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:39.759 Robert was not cooperative. He refused to take a polygraph, 252 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.279 and Unsow Mysteries invited him to appear on the show 253 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:45.519 to get his side of the story, but he refused 254 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.240 to do an interview. So we were spared of Robert 255 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:50.720 doing his best impression of Jewel Kaylor and trying to 256 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:53.320 act like a bereaved husband and possibly saying that he 257 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:56.480 was glad that Patsy was gone. But the one thing 258 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:59.279 which could have gone against Robert was the presence of 259 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:02.519 the two days plates on the tray next to Patsy's bed, 260 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:06.120 Because they're thinking to themselves, Yeah, even if Patsy had 261 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:09.519 like a secret lover was holding an affair and invited 262 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.200 him over that night to have an intimate dinner together, 263 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.440 there's zero chance that she would have done this with Robert. 264 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:18.080 And they're also thinking, well, could it be possible that 265 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.600 Robert broke into her house and poisoned the Nike will 266 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.360 and maybe Patsy invited someone over and this guy left 267 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:27.039 before she died, But no one ever came forward to 268 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:29.360 admit that they had been at a residence that night, 269 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:32.399 So they were thinking to themselves, like, could these dinner 270 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:34.600 plates have been a piece of evidence that it wasn't 271 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.600 Robert and that perhaps the real poisoner was someone that 272 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:38.559 she was intimate with. 273 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:42.399 I mean, there's a myriad of possibilities. There's still a 274 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:46.120 possibility that she could have invited somebody over. That person 275 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:49.320 came and they had an encounter and then had some food, 276 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:52.080 and then they left and they had absolutely zero to 277 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:54.720 do with the poisoning because we know that that key 278 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:57.279 was stolen, So it doesn't mean that person had to 279 00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:01.039 be let in by Patsy. They could to potentially use 280 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:04.159 that spare key at any time. And we also don't 281 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:07.480 know if the bottle that was used is the bottle 282 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.159 that she was using regularly and she took with her 283 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:15.399 potentially camping. So it just changes the window by which 284 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:18.000 this could have been done since we don't know the 285 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:21.720 information about that bottle of nikewill, like, did she take 286 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:24.799 a camping, We don't know, And so that really opens 287 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:27.000 it up because we also don't know when that key 288 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:27.960 went missing. 289 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:30.919 Yeah exactly, And like even if Patsy did have an 290 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.279 intimate evening with someone, that doesn't necessarily rule out Robert 291 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:37.240 from being responsible. And it fits the profile of someone 292 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:39.720 who had intimate knowledge of her personal life because they 293 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:41.840 were married for a year, so he would have known 294 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:44.320 that it was her habit to take nike will before 295 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:46.720 she went to bed. So he's thinking to himself, this 296 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:48.360 is the best way to do it. Just put it 297 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:51.080 in there. She's gonna take it without second thought, and 298 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.840 then she will wind up dying of poisoning. And because 299 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:57.080 he's been described as a cruel sociopath, he might be thinking, 300 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:58.639 I'm going to do it in the most cruel way 301 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.879 imaginable to ensure that she suffers before she died. So 302 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:03.720 it really does fit his profile. 303 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:08.080 Yeah. I think both Steve and Robert are two men 304 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:12.320 who are bad with finances, and they both make compelling suspects. 305 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:16.559 But Robert Cox, based on past behavior, is in my opinion, 306 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:17.720 the best suspect. 307 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:21.360 Yeah, because there's nothing to indicate that Steve was a violent, 308 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:24.799 abusive person. So even if he had a financial motive 309 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:27.440 to want or gone, it's totally the fact that they 310 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.799 made Patsy suffer sounds like something devious that Robert would 311 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:34.200 have done. So two other people who were investigated as 312 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:37.759 potential suspects were Bill and Bonnie Alexander, the couple who 313 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.279 boarded Patsy's horses, because the day before her death, she 314 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:44.480 had written them a blank check and then shortly afterwards 315 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:47.399 they filled in the amount for four thousand dollars and 316 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:50.720 wound up cashing it, which was suspicious because the day 317 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.240 before her death, a friend who was helping out Patsy 318 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:56.360 with her finances, asked if she had any outstanding checks, 319 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:58.600 and she told her friend that she did not. She 320 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:01.639 never mentioned anything about the check to the Alexanders, which 321 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:04.279 made them wonder if maybe they forged it and were 322 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.120 trying to make money from her. And they also discovered 323 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:10.720 that Patsy's horses were also in the Alexander's name, so 324 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:14.120 they were going to inherit the horses following the death. 325 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:17.480 So Bonnie's story was that Patsy gave them the check 326 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:19.360 and told them to add up what she owed them 327 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:22.799 and boarding and contest entry fees, and she also said 328 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:25.360 that the horses were in their names because Patsy did 329 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.000 not want Steve to get them in case something happened 330 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:31.519 to her. Patsy's family also started hearing rumors that Bill 331 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:34.039 may have been in love with Patsy and we're having 332 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.120 some sort of secret affair and that either he killed 333 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:40.360 Patsy to get the hands on the horses, or maybe 334 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:43.440 a body killed her out of jealousy, because, as you recall, 335 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:46.399 the day after Patsy was killed, her daughter received a 336 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.440 phone call from an anonymous woman who said, good, I'm 337 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:52.480 glad she's dead. But they never found any evidence to 338 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.679 support that the Alexanders were involved. But they did find 339 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.960 out that in the past, strychnine was sometimes used by 340 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:01.759 horse breeders in order to treat their animals, but they 341 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:05.319 couldn't find any evidence that Bill or Bonnie had access 342 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:08.319 to strict nine. So they both took polygraphs and they 343 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:10.519 both passed. So it could be kind of a mix 344 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:14.000 here where the Alexanders were not involved in Patsy's death. 345 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:17.039 But if Bill and Patsy had a secret affair, or 346 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:20.480 maybe Bill was being flirtatious for Patsy that made Bonnie 347 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:22.440 dislike her and she could have been the woman who 348 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:24.480 was responsible for the anonymous phone call. 349 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:28.160 Yeah, that one hundred percent checks out for me, because 350 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.400 you would have to trust these people if you're going 351 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.200 to put the horses in their names, because you don't want, 352 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:35.640 you know, your acts to get them like it makes 353 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:38.240 sense but it also would imply there would have to 354 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:41.319 be a great deal of trust, and I would assume that, yes, 355 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:44.960 technically they are in the Alexander's names, but if Patsy 356 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:47.680 was going to pass away, the assumption would be they 357 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:49.200 would go to her children, would it not? 358 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:52.359 Pretty much? Yeah, So it's like, even though like they 359 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:54.519 were in the Alexander's names, I guess because it was 360 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:56.880 part of her state, it would still go to her children. 361 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:00.480 And the Alexanders also weren't going to inherit like millions 362 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:02.720 of dollars. They might get the horses, but they're not 363 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:04.920 going to get anything else, So they didn't really have 364 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.240 a strong motive to orchestrate this elaborate murder plot involving 365 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:09.079 Strych nine. 366 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:12.319 And like, I'm sorry for four thousand dollars. If you've 367 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:14.960 got a blank check, four thousand dollars seems like an 368 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:19.279 appropriate amount. Horses are expensive, so things add up quickly, 369 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.000 and it might not have been something that crossed her 370 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:24.680 mind when Patsy was asked about if she had any 371 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:29.680 financial debts or anything coming or owed, and then when 372 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:31.920 the Alexanders added it up, it was like, Okay, it's 373 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.480 four thousand dollars that doesn't sound like an amount that 374 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:36.480 you're going to murder somebody over. If it was like 375 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:38.680 twenty grand that they put in there, I'd be like, oh, 376 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:41.759 that's a little bit suspicious, But four grand isn't really 377 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:42.799 raising my eyebrow. 378 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.680 Yeah, because that debsiditely sounds like an amount for boarding 379 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.440 and contest entry fees, which is what Bonnie said. And 380 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:50.759 they cashed it the day after her death, which was 381 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:53.880 not widespread news yet. So if they were completely innocent, 382 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.279 they may have had no idea that Patsy was dead 383 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:58.960 and it was just an unfortunate coincidence that they cashed 384 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:00.799 this check so soon after she died. 385 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.160 Yeah, Like, I think if you were going to do that, 386 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:05.880 you would almost want to cash it before she died 387 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:09.599 because she wouldn't likely find out about it for you know, 388 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:11.759 a day or two. Because of the banking in the 389 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:14.240 nineteen eighties, it wasn't like it is today where you've 390 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:17.480 got alerts come into your phone. So unless she went in, 391 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:24.119 she might not know, and then you've got plausible deniability going, well, yeah, 392 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:26.400 she was alive, she had the freedom to find this 393 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:29.240 out prior to her death. So the fact that they 394 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:32.119 did it, like the day after. That makes them almost 395 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:34.440 look more innocent in my eyes, because it would be 396 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:39.240 looked at as like almost like cartoon villain ish, like yeah, 397 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:40.359 two ham handed. 398 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:43.880 Yeah. I definitely don't believe that the Alexanders were involved 399 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:45.759 in the murder, even though I think Bonnie was the 400 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:48.680 one responsible for the phone call. She maybe just doing 401 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:50.839