Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Psychic Teachers.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Samittha Fay.
Speaker 3: And I'm Good Bowen.
Speaker 1: And today we have a super special, amazing guest coming
Speaker 1: on our show to talk about the fascinating, magical world
Speaker 1: of dreams and so much more. Today we're joined by
Speaker 1: Teresa Chung, whose life story is as fascinating as the
Speaker 1: subject she writes about. Raised in the family of psychics
Speaker 1: and traveling spiritualists, Teresa grew up on the road following
Speaker 1: her mother joy of working clairvoyant as she traveled across
Speaker 1: the UK given readings that unconventional Bohemian childhood immersed her
Speaker 1: in the spiritual practices from a very early age. Encouraged
Speaker 1: to explore her into the abilities, Teresa's earliest memories is
Speaker 1: attending a spirit meeting organized by her mother in Ann
Speaker 1: and by just fourteen years old, she was already giving
Speaker 1: public numerology readings. Teresa took charge of her education, homeschooling
Speaker 1: herself from the age of sixteen. She went on to
Speaker 1: graduate from King's College, Cambridge, earning a degree in theology
Speaker 1: in English. Initially with plans to enter the priesthood, her
Speaker 1: career path ultimately led her in a different direction, spanning
Speaker 1: roles in publishing, teaching, and working as a health and
Speaker 1: fitness instructor, each chapter adding so much depth and perspectives
Speaker 1: to the wonderful work she does today. Her books include
Speaker 1: The Encyclopedia of Birthdays, The Dream Dictionary, The Little Book
Speaker 1: of Intuition, Your Twin Flitting Journey, Angel Babies, and so
Speaker 1: many more.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Teresa.
Speaker 4: Oh, welcome Samantha and David. It's a real honor to
Speaker 4: be here. I respect to all the healing work you do.
Speaker 4: It's lovely to be in your space. Really it is.
Speaker 4: I feel honored.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. We're not even strong way to begin.
Speaker 4: I'm not either. Funny when you listen to your bio,
Speaker 4: because I do, obviously, I like you do. I do
Speaker 4: a lot of interviewing myself and it's really surreal actually
Speaker 4: to be at the other end of it and you're
Speaker 4: listening to this bio and think, who is this person?
Speaker 2: Well, you should be impressed. That's an amazing, amazing biology
Speaker 2: and it's just the tip of the icebery.
Speaker 4: Oh there's so much. Yeah, I like everybody. I found
Speaker 4: that everybody's story is fascinating, and that's the joy of
Speaker 4: aging as well. You can look back at all these
Speaker 4: incarnations of yourself, you know, at different ages and stages,
Speaker 4: and all the learning you can do. And what I
Speaker 4: actually a practice I do a lot is to go
Speaker 4: back mental time travel. To go back and to give
Speaker 4: some healing to my younger self, my poor misguided younger
Speaker 4: self who is so trying so hard and making a
Speaker 4: lot of mistakes along the way, and to have compassion
Speaker 4: and to sort of parent myself mentally, if you know
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to say. There, I think the very
Speaker 4: healing thing to do, to say well, and I have
Speaker 4: to think now that my future self, who's ten years
Speaker 4: older than me, will be is here right now and
Speaker 4: saying it's okay you didn't the interview. You spoke from
Speaker 4: the heart. I would like to think my future self
Speaker 4: is always there with an invisible presence, just willing me on.
Speaker 3: What a lovely thing to think of yourself one a
Speaker 3: continuum like that.
Speaker 4: I do the long self across time. I think that's
Speaker 4: a very healing perspective. And loved it all versions of
Speaker 4: yourself with unconditional love, because so many of us we
Speaker 4: beat ourselves up and we are our own worst enemies,
Speaker 4: and for some reason, when we step into that observer role,
Speaker 4: like when you observe your past and you observe your
Speaker 4: or you think about your future, you go into that
Speaker 4: observer that meditative role. Studies show, because I do work
Speaker 4: a lot with neuroscientists and psychologists these day, that when
Speaker 4: we step outside ourselves and observe ourselves in the third person,
Speaker 4: rather than thinking ourselves in the first person as we do,
Speaker 4: for some reason, we're automatically more forgiving and more compassionate.
Speaker 4: Is not interesting that if it's all in the now,
Speaker 4: and you know, mindfulness is all about in the now
Speaker 4: and the first person, that actually we find it harder
Speaker 4: to be kind to ourselves, and we really do need
Speaker 4: to be kind to ourselves, because if we can't be
Speaker 4: kind to ourselves, we can't be kind to other people,
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: And that's a hard, hard lesson to learn, is it? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it really is this. I was reading your materials and
Speaker 3: listening to you in preparation for this tart today. One
Speaker 3: of the things that most interests me personally is your
Speaker 3: work in melding and blending together the psychic the metaphysical
Speaker 3: aspect of ourselves and the science part of ourselves, and
Speaker 3: of course when I was aware of your work with
Speaker 3: the eoetic science, folks my heart, can you talk a
Speaker 3: little bit about that for us?
Speaker 4: I can. As I said, I was a true believer.
Speaker 4: I had no choice really about a spiritual path because
Speaker 4: I was born into it. So I just accepted it.
Speaker 4: I didn't think I had special abilities myself. I didn't
Speaker 4: think I was psychic or had mediumistic abilities. But when
Speaker 4: you're surrounded by people who are so believed that they have,
Speaker 4: when you go to medianship demonstrations and you see how
Speaker 4: healing it can be, I kind of like, well, okay,
Speaker 4: maybe I haven't got those extraordinary gifts. I used to
Speaker 4: think of it like that, that there are only certain
Speaker 4: people who had these gifts. I now know that it's
Speaker 4: within all of us. What we lack is belief in it.
Speaker 4: But that was a journey you get there. So I
Speaker 4: was a believer, and as I said, I was blessed
Speaker 4: and honored to somehow. That's the story in itself. Get
Speaker 4: a place at King's College, Cambridge at a time where yeah,
Speaker 4: angels must have helped me there. There's a big story
Speaker 4: about that. But when I was there, I studied alongside academics,
Speaker 4: of course, and that's where I was very much on
Speaker 4: the Christian spiritualist pass. I fully went to the theology
Speaker 4: to apartment there the Faculty of Divinity. Isn't that wonderful
Speaker 4: studying at the Faculty of Divinity? Wanting to enter the
Speaker 4: church to be one of the first female priests, that
Speaker 4: was my dream. But I then was exposed to all
Speaker 4: world religions and like many people, became spiritual rather than
Speaker 4: religious because I realized they're all paths to the same goal.
Speaker 4: And then I use my academic ability, I guess to
Speaker 4: spa with skeptics, because you can't go to a place
Speaker 4: like Cambridge without having your beliefs completely scowered by people
Speaker 4: who are on the other side of the spectrum and
Speaker 4: actually learn to respect them as well, because skeptics are
Speaker 4: truth seekers, they just go about it in a very
Speaker 4: different way. And then I had the opportunity to write
Speaker 4: book after book in this areas, but they were all
Speaker 4: believers books.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I would start the book with the premise, I believe
Speaker 4: I can't convince you, but here's what I've experienced. And
Speaker 4: other people would write to me and I'd put my
Speaker 4: stories their stories in my book. String it together, and
Speaker 4: these were my first Sunday Times best sellers, where an
Speaker 4: Angel called my name, an Angel changed my life. I
Speaker 4: did about twenty of them. I think that such was
Speaker 4: the appetite at the time, but I came very much
Speaker 4: from I believe, and it's a matter of belief. There
Speaker 4: is no proof, but that doesn't matter. If you believe,
Speaker 4: that's all that matters. But about ten years ago I
Speaker 4: wanted to give something more. I had the honor of
Speaker 4: doing the HarperCollins element Encyclopedia series. I started with Psychic
Speaker 4: World and eight Z. It was four hundred thousand words
Speaker 4: of everything psychic, then twenty thousand Dreams, which later became
Speaker 4: the Dream Dictionary, then Birthdays, which literally became a birthday.
Speaker 4: They sliced them down into paperbacks, and in that again
Speaker 4: I kind of acknowledged that there isn't that much science,
Speaker 4: but it kind of doesn't matter. But I began to
Speaker 4: think that it did matter. I wanted to think, where
Speaker 4: is the science? And so I started to do some
Speaker 4: outreach and the first place that I reached out to
Speaker 4: was the Institute of Noetic Sciences. And that's where maybe,
Speaker 4: just maybe my Cambridge academic background helped because I've often
Speaker 4: wondered what on earth was I doing there, but it did.
Speaker 4: It kind of was a window into it. Because these
Speaker 4: are scientists, they work with data and whatever. So maybe
Speaker 4: if I had approached them saying, look, I'm a medium
Speaker 4: or I'm a channeler, they may not have entered a
Speaker 4: dialogue with me. And I remember saying that I want
Speaker 4: to talk to you. And I did loads of videos
Speaker 4: and interviews with them, and then I eventually collaborated on
Speaker 4: a book with doctor Julian Mossbridge, who's now a fellow
Speaker 4: of the Institute of Noetic Sciences. Dean Raadan wrote the
Speaker 4: ForWord and that book started me on an incredible journey.
Speaker 4: It was called the Premonition Code, where you had a
Speaker 4: neuroscientist and a spiritualist working together and realizing how close
Speaker 4: we were when it came to dreams and dreams being
Speaker 4: pre cognitive. Because Julian Mossbridge is one of the world's
Speaker 4: leading experts in the study of presentiment, which is the
Speaker 4: body being able to sense the future ahead of time,
Speaker 4: and her research actually is credited in Dan's brown recent novel,
Speaker 4: Secret of Secrets. It's one of really, yeah, she's doing
Speaker 4: so many things now all over the world. Incredible and
Speaker 4: we still keep in touch. She was actually on my
Speaker 4: radio show as Samantha was a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 4: at doctor Julian Mosbridge talking about what she's doing in
Speaker 4: future forward research. And so this collaboration has just grown
Speaker 4: and grown. I've now blogged with the Institute of Noetic Sciences,
Speaker 4: but not just the Institute of Noetic Sciences. I also
Speaker 4: reach out to other institutions researching afterlife science, channeling mediumship scientifically,
Speaker 4: and I love working with these scientists because they are
Speaker 4: first and foremost scientists. They're not doing these studies to
Speaker 4: prove necessarily psychic abilities exist. They're treating it as data
Speaker 4: as part of the human experience. And right now where
Speaker 4: we are at is really exciting in that the overwhelming
Speaker 4: amount of scientific and psychological research shows that even though
Speaker 4: we don't understand psychic experiences, they are part of the
Speaker 4: human condition, and people who don't expec experience them like
Speaker 4: a dream coming true, or a hunch playing out, or
Speaker 4: a sense of connection with the other side someone who's departed.
Speaker 4: Ah in the minority, And there was me all these
Speaker 4: decades thinking I was writing for a very niche audience
Speaker 4: I'm actually writing for the mainstream. About ninety percent of
Speaker 4: people have had an uncanny, unexplained experience. What they lack
Speaker 4: and the journey of my life I lacked it as well,
Speaker 4: was true belief in it because I'm always second guessing
Speaker 4: and putting it down to one of those things that
Speaker 4: must be a logical explanation all the time. Maybe that's
Speaker 4: because I did, you know, study at Cambridge, and that's
Speaker 4: what I was trained to do. But the journey of
Speaker 4: my life is to actually realize that thing happened, and yes,
Speaker 4: it's possible. It could be paranormal, could be super normal.
Speaker 4: That is a very possible explanation. I need to start
Speaker 4: believing in it more, and I'm still on that journey,
Speaker 4: but I'm getting there because I do think that self
Speaker 4: belief is the holy Grail. Having interviewed many many leading
Speaker 4: psychics and mediums, what I think they have that sets
Speaker 4: them apart. They have such rock solid belief in their
Speaker 4: spiritual DNA, in the fact and even if they get
Speaker 4: a psychic hit wrong, it doesn't matter. They treat it
Speaker 4: as a learning experience. They explain to me what it's
Speaker 4: like the Internet. Sometimes it's really strong, other times it's
Speaker 4: really weak and things get missed and it doesn't phase them.
Speaker 4: If they do make a prediction or have a sense
Speaker 4: that doesn't necessarily play out, they see what that happened
Speaker 4: For a reason, it was to teach me something else
Speaker 4: about my psychic ability. So I think actually, anyone who's
Speaker 4: working on their self esteem is actually, without realizing it,
Speaker 4: a secret psychic. Because when you have self esteem, you
Speaker 4: start making the right decisions, You start sensing other people
Speaker 4: what their true intentions are, you start putting up boundaries
Speaker 4: all this work we talk about in our psychic work.
Speaker 4: You start recalling your dreams more, and then you know,
Speaker 4: tapping into your dreams as a source of wisdom and
Speaker 4: dreams actually have been so good to me, Samantha and
Speaker 4: deb because although you're right, I write about all aspects
Speaker 4: of mind, body and soul. I think I've written about
Speaker 4: one hundred books. There isn't a topic in this field.
Speaker 4: I probably haven't written some guide to it somewhere down
Speaker 4: the line these last thirty years. But if for some
Speaker 4: reason it has been dreams that the media, especially over
Speaker 4: here in the UK, because I'm in the privileged position
Speaker 4: these last five years now to be a regular on
Speaker 4: ITV this morning, where they will open up the phone
Speaker 4: lines to the nation, have you got a dream for Terresa?
Speaker 4: And people will phone in with their mad dream, whatever
Speaker 4: it was, and I will try and help them understand it.
Speaker 4: But I'm very careful when I do these mainstream things
Speaker 4: because I do it on BBC Radio a lot here
Speaker 4: as well, because I know that the mainstream is quite
Speaker 4: cautious when you start saying there is an afterlife or
Speaker 4: you are psychic. I'm very careful to be balanced in it.
Speaker 4: But what they don't realize when they're giving a platform
Speaker 4: to dreams is they're giving a platform to soul. It
Speaker 4: is the door for me dream work. It's the door
Speaker 4: for the mainstream to start understanding that we are psychic
Speaker 4: beings having a human experience. Everyone who's recorded a dream
Speaker 4: is psychic. That's their first connection. Because we don't know
Speaker 4: why we dream. We don't know where we go these
Speaker 4: incredible stories and experiences. Scientists do not know why we dream.
Speaker 4: They don't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't told the mid nineteen sixties that they actually
Speaker 1: started looking at as seriously, which I think is fascinating.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the jilt that comes with precognitive dreams.
Speaker 2: But let's take our first quick break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 3: Hey everybody, it's deb If you want to dive deeply
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Tonisa.
Speaker 6: I want to ask you.
Speaker 1: We get a lot of emails from listeners who say
Speaker 1: I have so many precognitive dreams.
Speaker 2: I'm called the.
Speaker 5: Grim Reaper in my family because I can dream of
Speaker 5: someone before they die.
Speaker 2: So my question is two parts.
Speaker 1: Why do you think so many preconditive dreams are negative.
Speaker 2: In nature on the outset?
Speaker 1: And why do we have them if we can't really
Speaker 1: do a lot about them? Which often leads to guilt.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, every dream we have, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: because I've done a lot of dream research, I started
Speaker 4: with them being psychological and about self awareness and about
Speaker 4: understanding yourself better. I now have moved to the position
Speaker 4: which many dream researchers are now moving towards, actually that
Speaker 4: every dream has a precognitive element. Every dream is showing
Speaker 4: you a potential future mindset or situation that you're going
Speaker 4: to encounter. If people could approach it that way, I
Speaker 4: think that they the fear of it would go because
Speaker 4: what I'm saying is potential. Because dreams, they are a
Speaker 4: mirror of your current mindset. They show you symbolically how
Speaker 4: you are feeling about your life right now, your relationships,
Speaker 4: what's going on in your life, your relationship with yourself.
Speaker 4: They give you a symbolic snapshot. Why is this precognitive?
Speaker 4: It's because obviously your unconscious beliefs about yourself are what
Speaker 4: you tend to attract. And that's why we have this
Speaker 4: very common experience of dejas reve when you have a
Speaker 4: dream and a couple of days later it plays out.
Speaker 4: Now to go to your question about why are so
Speaker 4: many dreams? Anxiety ridden, and what to do if you
Speaker 4: think you have a dream that's going to predict something awful. Well,
Speaker 4: first of all, why the anxiety ridden?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: Sadly, many of us have a very tortured relationship with ourselves.
Speaker 4: It is again the journey of our lives to understand ourselves,
Speaker 4: both our shadow and our light, and fall in love
Speaker 4: with that complexity and have understanding and compassion and enter
Speaker 4: into a dialogue with it. Most of us, when we
Speaker 4: have toxic impulses, we bury it or deny it, and
Speaker 4: that's where the problem comes, and that's where it surfaces
Speaker 4: in night, because that part of ourselves wants to be
Speaker 4: noticed most of the time. It just wants you to
Speaker 4: know that it's there, and it wants you wants to
Speaker 4: be understood because often toxic impulses and negative thoughts formed
Speaker 4: to protect us at a time in our life when
Speaker 4: we are very vulnerable, and we need to say, look,
Speaker 4: I understand you had good intentions that you're trying to
Speaker 4: protect me, but I don't need that anymore. I'm becoming
Speaker 4: more self aware. Thank you for the work you've done.
Speaker 4: If you can do that to negative thoughts that you have,
Speaker 4: they are a form of protection You can see it
Speaker 4: that way, they will fade away. And I would love
Speaker 4: more people to wake up with happy dreams. It breaks
Speaker 4: my heart, like you, the majority of my email inbox
Speaker 4: or my messaging inbox, ninety five percent of those dreams
Speaker 4: are anxiety ones, and I think that is a common
Speaker 4: theme across the globe. I want more people to write
Speaker 4: to me about dreams, about dancing and singing, celebrating. We
Speaker 4: would like bed too, because if you can dream it,
Speaker 4: because the waking the mind doesn't know the difference between
Speaker 4: the dreaming state and the waking state. If you can
Speaker 4: incubate a dream where you see yourself happy, where you
Speaker 4: see yourself succeeding, where you see yourself fulfilled and doing extraordinary,
Speaker 4: wild and wonderful things, I'm telling you you are so
Speaker 4: close to manifesting it in your waking life because the
Speaker 4: fact that you can dream it means that your mind
Speaker 4: thinks you're capable of it, right if it experienced it
Speaker 4: in the dream state. It is the most neglected manifesting
Speaker 4: tool dream work. Disney got it right. If you can
Speaker 4: dream it when you're asleep, your chances of doing it
Speaker 4: in waking life are so dramatically escalate because think about it,
Speaker 4: your mind believes it can happen, so it creates this
Speaker 4: scenario for you at night. We all know that perception
Speaker 4: creates reality. But the trouble is most of us, it's
Speaker 4: our conscious perception that the stories we tell ourselves, what
Speaker 4: we don't really know is are unconscious what deep down
Speaker 4: our beliefs are. Again, that's why dream work is so powerful,
Speaker 4: because it shines a night light on what we truly
Speaker 4: believe underneath those myths we tell ourselves. I mean, you
Speaker 4: can do all the affirmations you want in the world,
Speaker 4: I am enough, I'm beautiful. But if you don't deep
Speaker 4: down truly believe it or understand why you don't believe it,
Speaker 4: it's not going to work. It's a band aid. Dream
Speaker 4: work will show you exactly where you are, with brutal honesty,
Speaker 4: your relationship with yourself, and what it is attracting or
Speaker 4: repelling in your life, and that's why it's so powerful.
Speaker 4: Dreams do not lie. So dream work is actually for me.
Speaker 4: It should be the start of all personal growth and
Speaker 4: spiritual work, because until you can get that unconscious core
Speaker 4: more harmonious, everything you do on the outside is going
Speaker 4: to be is not going to be as rewarding it
Speaker 4: as it could be. But if you do have a
Speaker 4: lot of dreams which play out, first of all, it
Speaker 4: is a cause for celebration. It's again showing that we
Speaker 4: are all psychic beings having a human experience. This is
Speaker 4: so common, it's extraordinarily common. What I want to say
Speaker 4: is that what so many people have this experience. They
Speaker 4: have a dream and elements of that dream play out.
Speaker 4: Wow wow Wow, celebrate this. Do not be afraid of it.
Speaker 4: If there's nothing you can have done to prevent something.
Speaker 4: You know, if you do have a dream, say well
Speaker 4: you see a friend or a loved one in a
Speaker 4: compromising or traumatic position. There's no harm in telling them that.
Speaker 4: But then is that person's journey. None of us are
Speaker 4: responsible for the personal and psychic journey of anyone else,
Speaker 4: just contrary to what we may think. Maybe children are vulnerable,
Speaker 4: adults it's slightly different. But most people it's their part.
Speaker 4: You can share it with people if you've had a dream,
Speaker 4: and actually I've had people sometimes telling me they've dreamt
Speaker 4: about me. It's really powerful. When someone messages to you
Speaker 4: about that, think, wow, I figured in their unconscious it's
Speaker 4: really Most people will not react negatively when you say that,
Speaker 4: and it might actually encourage them to exercise more caution,
Speaker 4: or you might have picked up on something that they're
Speaker 4: not telling you about and it will be an opportunity
Speaker 4: for them to open up. So always, if you feel
Speaker 4: comfortable and safe to do so comfortable and safe to
Speaker 4: do so. I cannot underline that enough. Do share your
Speaker 4: dream stories. But also the most important thing you can
Speaker 4: do for yourself and others is to keep a dream journal,
Speaker 4: because the only way to prove that you are a
Speaker 4: precognitive being definitively is to have a record. Again, working
Speaker 4: with scientists, I have learned they don't want after the
Speaker 4: events narratives. Well I thought that or I dreamt that.
Speaker 4: They say, where's the proof? You need proof with a
Speaker 4: time stamp, you know, if it's easier to speak into
Speaker 4: a microphone, that is a amazing and then send it
Speaker 4: to places like the Institute of Noetic Sciences. This is
Speaker 4: what they're studying. But it's no good saying it it happened.
Speaker 4: Start becoming a psychic detective, a citizen scientist, and write
Speaker 4: down your dreams and use the most important tool for
Speaker 4: dream work, which many dream therapists actually neglect, which is hindsight.
Speaker 4: We're all so future forward thinking, which is a good thing.
Speaker 4: But with dream work, the only way to know what
Speaker 4: your triggers are in your dreams or where there's a
Speaker 4: precognitive hit is to go back and look, say usually
Speaker 4: two or three days before, because that tends to be
Speaker 4: from the research I did with Julia, it's usually within
Speaker 4: two or three days the elements of it can play out.
Speaker 4: Don't be disappointed if some of the elements are trivial, like,
Speaker 4: for example, you dream about a color and then someone
Speaker 4: important in your life is dressed top to toe in
Speaker 4: that color.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: You say, all's the point of that? That's not changing anything? Well,
Speaker 4: the point is it wants you. It's it's showing you
Speaker 4: what it's capable of if you believe in it. It's saying, look,
Speaker 4: this is just the prelude to what I really can do.
Speaker 4: If you start practicing some meditation, listening more to psychic
Speaker 4: teachers with Samantha and deb opening your mind and your
Speaker 4: heart to this kind of material, that's what it's doing.
Speaker 4: It's also saying, look, the moment you recognize a symbol
Speaker 4: from your dream in your waking life is a power point,
Speaker 4: stop something about the decisions you're about to make emotionally
Speaker 4: or mentally, or with your actions or your words might
Speaker 4: need course correcting. This is a PowerPoint where you're going now.
Speaker 4: The path you take right now is very important. Just
Speaker 4: pause and reflect because the overwhelming majority of dreams they
Speaker 4: want you to do what many of us don't do
Speaker 4: enough these days, which is to reflect on what we're
Speaker 4: about to do next and if it's the right thing.
Speaker 4: So if you do recognize a symbol or a person,
Speaker 4: or a sound or a feeling, often it's a feeling
Speaker 4: from a dream a few nights before, Please that's your
Speaker 4: meditation moment. Take some time to go within and think
Speaker 4: about what's swirling within you and what it is attracting.
Speaker 4: Is it what you want or is it what you
Speaker 4: don't want? Because the trouble is, most of us spend
Speaker 4: all our time thinking about what we don't want to
Speaker 4: happen in our lives, and then we wonder why it happens.
Speaker 4: It's because that's all we're thinking about. I don't want
Speaker 4: to be poor, I don't want to be lonely, I
Speaker 4: don't want to be unloved. If that's what you keep
Speaker 4: thinking about, expect more of it to arrive because we
Speaker 4: are energetic beings. Start thinking, I am loved, I'm never
Speaker 4: alone because my future and past self are always around.
Speaker 4: Never alone.
Speaker 2: I am enough.
Speaker 4: I don't need externals to fulfill me. Start consciously correcting
Speaker 4: those thoughts of lack to thoughts of fullness, and watch
Speaker 4: your life change. And do it. First thing in the morning.
Speaker 4: First thing in the morning is so powerful. Let those
Speaker 4: dreams bubble to the surface, however weird and wonderful. Write
Speaker 4: them down and see that as a sign that you've
Speaker 4: got within you all the wisdom you need. You just
Speaker 4: need to start understanding it and decoding it. Sorry, I
Speaker 4: do rab it on.
Speaker 2: I really don't know. It's great.
Speaker 1: We're going to take our last break. We'll come right
Speaker 1: back and let dev ask.
Speaker 2: A question and they want to touch on dream incubation.
Speaker 1: Stay with us.
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Speaker 3: So I have a question because you mentioned the unconscious
Speaker 3: a minute ago, and I have training in YOUNGI in
Speaker 3: work and working with archetypes and symbols. Of course, I
Speaker 3: know you've written about that. How do you when you
Speaker 3: are working with someone for whom symbology might be a
Speaker 3: difficult process and a dream interpretation for themselves what do
Speaker 3: you do to help them think symbolically? How do you
Speaker 3: work with that?
Speaker 2: From two things.
Speaker 4: First of all, I tell them to stop worrying about
Speaker 4: understanding their dreams and just celebrate the glorious madness. I
Speaker 4: always say to people who want to work with me
Speaker 4: on dreams before I see you, I want twenty of
Speaker 4: your dreams. Just fall in love with dreaming, and don't
Speaker 4: try to search for answers all the time, because dreams
Speaker 4: are about the questions, because we learn so much more
Speaker 4: from questions than we do from answers. Answers shut up,
Speaker 4: brains down, questions open them up. And dreams are an
Speaker 4: infinite question. So just start getting into the habit of
Speaker 4: dream recall and writing them down, and then just enjoy them.
Speaker 4: Stop trying to strain over the meeting or think why
Speaker 4: did I dream of that mad reindeer? Or why was
Speaker 4: a flower talking to me?
Speaker 2: Stop?
Speaker 4: Just stop pushing and prodding and get at least twenty
Speaker 4: and then come to me and we'll have a great
Speaker 4: conversation where we use hindsight again, and we'll go through
Speaker 4: and we'll start asking those questions which happens in counseling anyway.
Speaker 4: I mean, people don't realize that we come with this
Speaker 4: inner therapist in a counselor, because the whole point of
Speaker 4: a counselor will say, well, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 4: Or how do you feel about that? That's what your
Speaker 4: dreams are doing for you, for free and much cheaper.
Speaker 4: So that's the first thing. And then the second thing
Speaker 4: is I ask them to tell me what their favorite
Speaker 4: poem is, any poem, and if they're not into poetry,
Speaker 4: I offer them a few poems, you know, immortal ones
Speaker 4: that have stood the test of time for a reason.
Speaker 4: And then I start teaching them, because I used to
Speaker 4: do a lot of literature teaching as well, the basics
Speaker 4: of poetry analysis and how when you first read a poem,
Speaker 4: it's terrifying, it doesn't make sense, and you think, what's
Speaker 4: the point of poetry? And it's actually interesting because people
Speaker 4: who say what's the point of dreaming? Often hate poetry.
Speaker 4: And then I teach them how amazing poetry is. I
Speaker 4: teach them about how symbols work in a poem and
Speaker 4: how the poet is using this metaphor to point to
Speaker 4: something deeper. It's all about going deeper and deeper. I
Speaker 4: talk about pathetic fallacy, and things like movies as well,
Speaker 4: because movies are poetry. Often when a character is having
Speaker 4: an emotional breakdown, there's always a storm outside. But it's
Speaker 4: that's pathetic fallacy, again a known literary technique. I introduce
Speaker 4: them to the works of Shakespeare, rich In, all these
Speaker 4: powerful archetypes and symbols. That's how I go about it,
Speaker 4: to get them to fall in love with art, poetry, literature,
Speaker 4: and to understand that your dreaming mind is a frustrated artist,
Speaker 4: poet and visionary and every night it's sending you a
Speaker 4: masterpiece all about you, a movie about you, a poem
Speaker 4: dedicated for you. I try to tell them that dreams
Speaker 4: don't happen to them, dreams are created by them. You
Speaker 4: don't realize people think dreams just happen, they descend. They don't.
Speaker 4: They are created by you. They're for you, and they're
Speaker 4: all about amazing you. And let's all start creating masterpieces
Speaker 4: in our sleep. That's how I go about it. I
Speaker 4: go about it in a kind of a windy way.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. Thank you for that. It's very helpful.
Speaker 4: When I did one of my first interviews with the BBC,
Speaker 4: they called it the Night poet, and if you actually
Speaker 4: write down a dream and think of it as a poem,
Speaker 4: and we know all no poems don't mean what they
Speaker 4: say on the surface. The whole point of a poem,
Speaker 4: and a great work of art, for example, work of
Speaker 4: art like the Mona Lisa or that silent scream. When
Speaker 4: you look at a timeless work of art, every time
Speaker 4: you look of it, you get another meaning. And the
Speaker 4: same with music as well. Music is similar to dreaming.
Speaker 4: It speaks through emotion and the associations it triggers in
Speaker 4: the listener. And there's why there's some songs that, no
Speaker 4: matter how many times you listen to them, every time,
Speaker 4: they give you goosebumps, and they give you connections and
Speaker 4: associations that you didn't have before. And why at various
Speaker 4: ages in your life you can return to a great
Speaker 4: song or a great work of literature and read it
Speaker 4: with different eyes and a different heart and get new associations.
Speaker 4: Your dreams are like that every single night. And that's
Speaker 4: why if you do keep a dream dictionary, go back
Speaker 4: to the dreams you had this time last year. It
Speaker 4: can be fascinating. Have your dreams got stuck in a
Speaker 4: kind of groundhog night? That they're constantly the same, or
Speaker 4: are your dream symbols getting richer and more varied. Pay
Speaker 4: attention to that. You want your symbols to evolve as
Speaker 4: much as you're waking lives evolves with new and rich scenarios.
Speaker 4: It breaks my heart when people come to me and
Speaker 4: they're dreaming about, you know, the same traffic jam that
Speaker 4: they're in, or they're stuck. And a lot of people
Speaker 4: stuck in their cars in dreams. It's fascinating. There was
Speaker 4: one phone in I did were literally eight out of
Speaker 4: ten callers they were in their cars and their cars
Speaker 4: were not working or starting, or they were being diverted.
Speaker 4: And I'm saying, oh my god, in your dream state,
Speaker 4: you can go anywhere, you can be anything. Why are
Speaker 4: you choosing, because yes, you are choosing to be stuck
Speaker 4: in your.
Speaker 2: Car, not going anywhere in your dreams.
Speaker 1: Come on, Well, that's when a third party observer.
Speaker 5: You were talking about the giving of our talk is
Speaker 5: so so important. Yeah, talked about how we can use
Speaker 5: the dreams to help our subconscious manifest The recent studies
Speaker 5: and dream incubation have been really intriguing to me, and
Speaker 5: it's almost as though you can do these exercises to
Speaker 5: program yourself to have a certain dream.
Speaker 2: Can you tell.
Speaker 1: People how to do that, or what your experiences with it, what.
Speaker 4: It starts during the day. Actually, listening to this episode
Speaker 4: will encourage people to remember their dreams because what you
Speaker 4: focus on in the day, even if you don't realize it,
Speaker 4: or what you'll unconsciously pick up on, is what's going
Speaker 4: to show up at night. Because if you think that
Speaker 4: so many things that you experience in the day, why
Speaker 4: do certain things manifest in your dream? So listening to
Speaker 4: this means that for the length of this episode, people
Speaker 4: have most of the time been thinking about their dreams
Speaker 4: through our conversation. That's very powerful because it may well
Speaker 4: show up tomorrow morning in dream recall because you've been
Speaker 4: there during the day. So what you're doing the day
Speaker 4: is very important. During the day, As I said, read
Speaker 4: a poem, practice that dream state. Maybe do a bit
Speaker 4: of video gaming. I know that's controversial, but when you
Speaker 4: immerse yourself in a non harmful, violent video game, you
Speaker 4: are kind of practicing the dream state. There is a
Speaker 4: big correlation actually to people who are video gamers and
Speaker 4: lucid dreaming, and many lucid dreaming studies are done on
Speaker 4: gamers because you're activating that part of your brain. So
Speaker 4: do a little bit of gaming, read a novel, and
Speaker 4: admire art, listen to music you love. Do all these
Speaker 4: things during the day. Meditate if that's what you want
Speaker 4: to do. Do all these things that unlock the intuitive
Speaker 4: and creative parts of your brain.
Speaker 2: So during the.
Speaker 4: Day, start thinking about the exciting dreams you're going to have,
Speaker 4: you know, start incubating really from the morning onwards. It's
Speaker 4: not just something you do in the two minutes before
Speaker 4: you go to sleep, although that's the optimum time because
Speaker 4: your brain's very impressionable throughout the day. And also start
Speaker 4: looking at your waking life as if it was a dream.
Speaker 4: You know, you bumped into someone, If that happened in
Speaker 4: the dream, what would it mean. That's a really exciting
Speaker 4: way to live, showing that the dreaming state and the
Speaker 4: waking state they are one. You're just in a different
Speaker 4: state of consciousness. People think they switch off when they
Speaker 4: fall asleep. They don't. You're still you. You're just in a
Speaker 4: different state of consciousness. Sorry to break it to everyone,
Speaker 4: but you are you twenty four seven. There's no break
Speaker 4: from you, right, So you may as well, enjoy it
Speaker 4: and stuff. Then when you go to sleep at night,
Speaker 4: as I said, before you go to sleep, calm down,
Speaker 4: do stay away from them screens. If you can look
Speaker 4: at some oracle cards or artwork, Listen to some music,
Speaker 4: you know, some gentle conversation, read a novel and drift
Speaker 4: off with that. And before you when you put your
Speaker 4: head on the pillow at night, do make sure your
Speaker 4: dream journal is somewhere visual. Actually when by the bedside,
Speaker 4: because that's a visual queue. Because your brain is in
Speaker 4: that glorious theta state which children are often in, which
Speaker 4: is very impressionable. What you tell your brain in that
Speaker 4: seta state when it's relaxed, you know, semi relaxed, is
Speaker 4: so powerful. It forms neural pathways. So just before you
Speaker 4: go to sleep, start saying I'm going to have a
Speaker 4: dream and it's going to be fun, and when I
Speaker 4: wake up, I'm going to recall it. That's the best
Speaker 4: way to incubate a dream. But also when you wake
Speaker 4: up in the morning, what you do is very important.
Speaker 4: Stay still for a minute. Most people when they wake up,
Speaker 4: they immediately fidget and move, and any kind of movement
Speaker 4: even blinking and opening your eyes will redirect the brain
Speaker 4: to the conscious state, and in the conscious state, linear
Speaker 4: time takes over your ego, logic, and reason, and they
Speaker 4: are the mortal enemies really of intuition and creativity. They're
Speaker 4: too powerful, they block it out. So you need to
Speaker 4: just stay in that twilight zone, in the position that
Speaker 4: you woke up in for a minute or two and
Speaker 4: see what memories surface. If no memory surface, please don't
Speaker 4: get angry. Poor dream recall happens to us all for
Speaker 4: a variety of reasons. That's the whole other episode. I
Speaker 4: can explain why. And also if you're on certain medication
Speaker 4: that can sometimes limit it. But if no memory comes,
Speaker 4: think about how you feel, because that will have formed
Speaker 4: the backdrop of the dream. Because the language of dreams
Speaker 4: is first of all symbols, metaphors, but also emotion. So
Speaker 4: we all wake up slightly different each morning, and that
Speaker 4: will be because of a vision we've had in a dream.
Speaker 4: So in your journal, right, I feel, and then just
Speaker 4: write down how you feel. And as you write down
Speaker 4: how you feel, you'll be surprised memories will surface. And
Speaker 4: also during the morning you may find that suddenly a
Speaker 4: dream memory pops in. But if it doesn't, that's fine,
Speaker 4: and don't underestimate the power also of the day dreaming state,
Speaker 4: especially when you take a shower. Use that as an
Speaker 4: opportunity because it's an ideal time. Actually, it's a very
Speaker 4: meditative thing when you shower or wash because your conscious
Speaker 4: mind is very busy with all the things you need
Speaker 4: to do, washing and all that routine you have, so
Speaker 4: it's distracted. It's out of the way, allowing your intuition
Speaker 4: and creativity surface because they they're quietening their conscious mind
Speaker 4: with an activity that's kind of routine and familiar, keeping
Speaker 4: it busy. So I hope that answers your question is
Speaker 4: really just actually shifting your perspective about dreaming and from
Speaker 4: their nonsense. They're random, they don't make sense to well,
Speaker 4: perhaps they're not nonsense. Perhaps they're not random, and perhaps
Speaker 4: there is method in the madness, because trust me, there is.
Speaker 4: I've dedicated my life to researching this. Dreams can change
Speaker 4: and heal and inspire lives. And for proof of that,
Speaker 4: just go and read about Albert Einstein, who relied on
Speaker 4: both dreams and music for the theories like the theory
Speaker 4: of relativity, which changed the world. He would not have
Speaker 4: been able to come up with those world changing scenarios
Speaker 4: without vivid dreams pointing him in the right direction, because
Speaker 4: in the dream state, logic and reason have gone, so
Speaker 4: you can make associations between areas of life that you
Speaker 4: wouldn't normally connect because logic would jump in and say
Speaker 4: no way. But in the dream state it's like, yes,
Speaker 4: every way, anything's possible.
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about your most recent book,
Speaker 1: twin Flames, and tell us about.
Speaker 2: The book you have coming out in the fall.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's very very kind. Well, my most recent book
Speaker 4: is your twin Flame Journey, because so many people have
Speaker 4: misunderstandings about their intimate relationships and this concept of a
Speaker 4: soulmate or twin flame, and I distinguish between what a
Speaker 4: soulmate is and what a twin flame is and deb
Speaker 4: I'm really glad that you're very Youngian because my twin
Speaker 4: Flame Journey is all about integration and how the twin
Speaker 4: Flame Journey really is about a return home to yourself.
Speaker 4: It's not necessarily a person. A person can ignite that,
Speaker 4: but the most important relationship you ever have, despite what
Speaker 4: the movies tell us, is the one with yourself, full truly,
Speaker 4: madly and deeply in love with that idea, and everything
Speaker 4: takes care of itself. But I unpitcarmic relationships, the idea
Speaker 4: of soulmates, and I often equate the idea of a soulmate.
Speaker 3: To a harbor.
Speaker 4: A ship loves to go to a harbor to refuel
Speaker 4: and for a sense of home and refuge. But your
Speaker 4: twin flame is the ocean, and a ship is built
Speaker 4: for the ocean. It's calling you out to the ocean
Speaker 4: all the time. That's the metaphor I use for the book,
Speaker 4: a ship being us, you know, a metaphor for who
Speaker 4: we are. We are meant to go out to the ocean.
Speaker 4: We're not meant to sit in a harbor. And soulmates
Speaker 4: are these harbors that we have in our lives. So
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed writing that, and it was interesting the
Speaker 4: reaction because immediately people saying it's a cult because of
Speaker 4: these Netflix Amazon documentaries about it, and why are you
Speaker 4: talking about that, you know you should be talking about
Speaker 4: dreams and angels, and I said, I wanted to actually
Speaker 4: normalize it and show that it is the journey of
Speaker 4: our lives. It's the journey to self love and self belief.
Speaker 4: That's the twin flame journey, and sometimes you can meet
Speaker 4: someone who ignites that, and sometimes you can that person,
Speaker 4: you can meet them for five minutes or a lifetime.
Speaker 4: But it's someone that's before and afterwards that you rethink
Speaker 4: everything you thought you knew about life. That is your
Speaker 4: twin flame. It's someone who ignites this passion for psychic
Speaker 4: and spiritual awakening. And sometimes it can be a podcast,
Speaker 4: you know, like the Psychic Teachers podcast, that can be
Speaker 4: the twin flame for some people. It awakens something. We
Speaker 4: have to get rid of the idea that it's necessarily
Speaker 4: a romantic relationship. It could be all forms of relationships,
Speaker 4: even virtual ones sometimes, and I know again that's controversial,
Speaker 4: but that was my take on it. I also I
Speaker 4: wrote a novel recently as well, called Nightbourne, which is
Speaker 4: again very Youngian, about a psychology professor who suddenly wakes
Speaker 4: up one day and everybody's dreaming about her and she
Speaker 4: has to find out why and it goes on a
Speaker 4: wild and wonderful adventure. And the reason I wrote that
Speaker 4: is that my daughter loves fiction. She's always reading romantic
Speaker 4: fantasies but will never read nonfiction. And there's so many
Speaker 4: people like that today. They're not some people are not
Speaker 4: drawn to nonfiction books, which makes me sad, so I
Speaker 4: wanted to try. And so when you read Nightborne, you
Speaker 4: actually get a crash course in dream decoding while being
Speaker 4: hopefully fully engaged in a story that not only changes
Speaker 4: the life of the main character but the world.
Speaker 3: It's a very ambitious story. I loved it.
Speaker 4: I love the freedom actually of being able to do
Speaker 4: that and to bring dream decoding and then coming up again.
Speaker 4: I'm a very prolific author. I feel very blessed. I
Speaker 4: have in October this year a book called Extreme Dreaming,
Speaker 4: which is the theme that we started off actually this
Speaker 4: episode about why are so many people having bad dreams
Speaker 4: or thinking of their dreams as bad? And it covers
Speaker 4: nightmares obviously shadow dreaming, but also those unwonted thoughts that
Speaker 4: suddenly jump into our lives during the day. Why that happens,
Speaker 4: you know, negative thoughts that come out of nowhere, destructive thoughts,
Speaker 4: and again to try and normalize it and show that
Speaker 4: they are all healing and potentially transformative gifts if you
Speaker 4: just shine the light of awareness on them. And I
Speaker 4: hope that book Extreme Dreaming will help a lot of
Speaker 4: people come to terms with bad dreams and actually not
Speaker 4: get frustrated or anxious about them, but actually when they
Speaker 4: have them, to think, this is exciting because it's pointing
Speaker 4: me somewhere. It's showing me something that I need to say, do, feel,
Speaker 4: or think in coming days. It's giving me an opportunity
Speaker 4: to really transform.
Speaker 1: You have to come back in the fall and talk
Speaker 1: about bad Thank.
Speaker 3: You absolutely love your point about the how valuable fiction
Speaker 3: can be in this work that you're absolutely right about that.
Speaker 4: It's millions and millions of people read fiction. You could
Speaker 4: say it's a form of escapism, but in some ways
Speaker 4: it's fiction. Really is dreaming with your eyes open. And
Speaker 4: so if you think of it like that, because and
Speaker 4: also there's a study, isn't there that people who read
Speaker 4: fiction tend to be more empathetic, very and kinder because
Speaker 4: when you read fiction, what happens is you kind of
Speaker 4: lose yourself. You emphasize with the characters. You also meditate
Speaker 4: without realizing it, because when you're reading it, you are
Speaker 4: seeing these characters. That's why we're so disappointed sometimes when
Speaker 4: a book we love goes to the screen and it's
Speaker 4: not what we imagined. But when we're reading, we're doing
Speaker 4: that we are activating those parts of our brains much
Speaker 4: more so than we I mean, movies have their place
Speaker 4: as well, but they're a bit more passive because a
Speaker 4: director has a vision that they're giving us. We have
Speaker 4: to do less work. Reading is so powerful and it's
Speaker 4: so important for young people as well to fall in
Speaker 4: love with reading, because when you're reading, you're actually being
Speaker 4: an intuitive, you are channeling, you're psychic. You're not realizing.
Speaker 4: It's a very powerful, powerful tool and I want I mean,
Speaker 4: Nightbourne will not win any literary awards. I know that
Speaker 4: I'm firmly a nonfiction writer, but it was something I
Speaker 4: wanted to tick off my buckets at this to say, look,
Speaker 4: I've done that, and it was interesting. The reaction of
Speaker 4: my publishers when I said I wanted to write it
Speaker 4: was a hard note. I had to do it myself.
Speaker 4: But often in life, when you try and break out
Speaker 4: of the expectations that people have on you of who
Speaker 4: you are, you will notice that people don't like it.
Speaker 4: And that's the same with spiritual growth. When you start
Speaker 4: awakening to your own inner power, you will find it's
Speaker 4: a form of quality control that people in the relationship.
Speaker 4: Quality control that people who people sometimes have a vested
Speaker 4: interest in you being a certain way, and they're not
Speaker 4: going to like it when you change. But you must
Speaker 4: change because we're here to constantly involve into high and
Speaker 4: higher versions of yourself. And the people who are meant
Speaker 4: to resonate on your level, you will find them. You
Speaker 4: will find your tribe, you will and those that don't
Speaker 4: accept this version of yourself that you're evolving into, they
Speaker 4: were never meant to be in your life. And well,
Speaker 4: maybe there was a time and a place.
Speaker 3: I call it breaking out of the box. Somebody has
Speaker 3: put me in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people want to put you in your body, and
Speaker 4: I was firmly put into the angel lady box. I
Speaker 4: just write angel stories, then the dream decoding box. But
Speaker 4: you know, that's one of the joys about getting older.
Speaker 4: You really stop worrying about fulfilling the expectations of others
Speaker 4: and you start doing things because it's your passion and
Speaker 4: it's true to who you are, and that matters far more. Obviously,
Speaker 4: it's nice to get the great sales and to get
Speaker 4: everybody on board, but actually knowing that you did what
Speaker 4: was true to you, that's the best and greatest reward. Actually,
Speaker 4: now I cannot anymore do things that I don't feel
Speaker 4: authentic about you when you're younger because you're still role playing,
Speaker 4: aren't you. It's your persona is so important and what
Speaker 4: you're constructing. But as you get older, one of the
Speaker 4: benefits is you are so you step more and more
Speaker 4: into your authentic que It's wildly liberating because you realize
Speaker 4: that the applause of the world is fickle. You're a
Speaker 4: read blown in the wind if you're constantly chasing that
Speaker 4: and for example social media, for example, you can do
Speaker 4: a wonderful post from something like something deeply profound from
Speaker 4: the Dai Lama, there's you know, two likes, and then
Speaker 4: you can post about a psychic goldfish hundreds of thousand
Speaker 4: like you really trying to chase the approval of people. Actually,
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, everybody's going to have
Speaker 4: a different opinion and want something out of you that's different.
Speaker 4: You need to know what is right for you and
Speaker 4: to follow that path.
Speaker 1: I love that message and I just love listening to you.
Speaker 2: I have loved your work forever. I wanted to ask
Speaker 2: you so. I love all your angel stories. We get
Speaker 2: a lot of questions, some of it.
Speaker 1: Popular shows are on spirit babies, children that communicate with
Speaker 1: their parents before they come to earth. An angel baby's
Speaker 1: tunches on that quite a lot. Do you have other
Speaker 1: books that focus on that with dreams in particular dreams dreams.
Speaker 4: Of unborn children. Yes, I had that myself actually with
Speaker 4: my son, years before I met my husband. I had
Speaker 4: this dream of a little boy helping me up the mountain.
Speaker 4: I mean, how symbolic was that. And he was Asian,
Speaker 4: and you know, I'd never seen him before, and I
Speaker 4: now recognized that was my son. It's the same look
Speaker 4: in the same in his eyes. And it's wonderful that
Speaker 4: he was helping me up a mountain because my son
Speaker 4: actually took my angel message a little too literally. I
Speaker 4: was always saying, well, grow your own wings. Well, he's
Speaker 4: now a fully qualified professional pilot flying. Every time I
Speaker 4: look at a plane now, you know, these big commercial jets,
Speaker 4: I think of him. I never thought that growing your
Speaker 4: own wings the message would be taken.
Speaker 3: Quite so literally.
Speaker 4: He's up there in the skies.
Speaker 1: Well, and thank you so So we're going to put
Speaker 1: some of your books in the show notes and linked
Speaker 1: to your website so people can find all of them.
Speaker 3: Do one more thing for a story, soa please as
Speaker 3: we close out, tell folks the best ways to contact you.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 4: As I said, I'm very prolific. Just type in my
Speaker 4: name Teresa Chung online and you will find me. But
Speaker 4: I have a website Teresa Chun dot com and an
Speaker 4: Instagram handle at the Teresa Chung Perfect.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you so much for being with us.
Speaker 3: What a pleasure to meet you. Thank you for the
Speaker 3: work you do.
Speaker 4: Thank you likewise Gito as I should say from the
Speaker 4: movie Ghost.
Speaker 1: And thank you everyone so much for listening. We hope
Speaker 1: you have a wonderful, magical week filled with tons and
Speaker 1: tons of dreams that you fully recall. Remember as always
Speaker 1: to be the.
Speaker 2: Light for yourself and others.
Speaker 3: Take care everyone.
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