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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome to Psychic Teachers.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your host, Samittha Fay.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Good Bowen.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we have a super special, amazing guest coming

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<v Speaker 1>on our show to talk about the fascinating, magical world

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<v Speaker 1>of dreams and so much more. Today we're joined by

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa Chung, whose life story is as fascinating as the

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<v Speaker 1>subject she writes about. Raised in the family of psychics

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<v Speaker 1>and traveling spiritualists, Teresa grew up on the road following

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<v Speaker 1>her mother joy of working clairvoyant as she traveled across

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<v Speaker 1>the UK given readings that unconventional Bohemian childhood immersed her

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<v Speaker 1>in the spiritual practices from a very early age. Encouraged

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<v Speaker 1>to explore her into the abilities, Teresa's earliest memories is

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<v Speaker 1>attending a spirit meeting organized by her mother in Ann

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<v Speaker 1>and by just fourteen years old, she was already giving

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<v Speaker 1>public numerology readings. Teresa took charge of her education, homeschooling

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<v Speaker 1>herself from the age of sixteen. She went on to

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<v Speaker 1>graduate from King's College, Cambridge, earning a degree in theology

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<v Speaker 1>in English. Initially with plans to enter the priesthood, her

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<v Speaker 1>career path ultimately led her in a different direction, spanning

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<v Speaker 1>roles in publishing, teaching, and working as a health and

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<v Speaker 1>fitness instructor, each chapter adding so much depth and perspectives

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<v Speaker 1>to the wonderful work she does today. Her books include

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<v Speaker 1>The Encyclopedia of Birthdays, The Dream Dictionary, The Little Book

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<v Speaker 1>of Intuition, Your Twin Flitting Journey, Angel Babies, and so

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<v Speaker 1>many more.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show, Teresa.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, welcome Samantha and David. It's a real honor to

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<v Speaker 4>be here. I respect to all the healing work you do.

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<v Speaker 4>It's lovely to be in your space. Really it is.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel honored.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, thank you. We're not even strong way to begin.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not either. Funny when you listen to your bio,

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<v Speaker 4>because I do, obviously, I like you do. I do

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of interviewing myself and it's really surreal actually

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<v Speaker 4>to be at the other end of it and you're

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<v Speaker 4>listening to this bio and think, who is this person?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you should be impressed. That's an amazing, amazing biology

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just the tip of the icebery.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh there's so much. Yeah, I like everybody. I found

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<v Speaker 4>that everybody's story is fascinating, and that's the joy of

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<v Speaker 4>aging as well. You can look back at all these

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<v Speaker 4>incarnations of yourself, you know, at different ages and stages,

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<v Speaker 4>and all the learning you can do. And what I

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<v Speaker 4>actually a practice I do a lot is to go

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<v Speaker 4>back mental time travel. To go back and to give

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<v Speaker 4>some healing to my younger self, my poor misguided younger

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<v Speaker 4>self who is so trying so hard and making a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of mistakes along the way, and to have compassion

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<v Speaker 4>and to sort of parent myself mentally, if you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm trying to say. There, I think the very

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<v Speaker 4>healing thing to do, to say well, and I have

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<v Speaker 4>to think now that my future self, who's ten years

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<v Speaker 4>older than me, will be is here right now and

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<v Speaker 4>saying it's okay you didn't the interview. You spoke from

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<v Speaker 4>the heart. I would like to think my future self

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<v Speaker 4>is always there with an invisible presence, just willing me on.

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<v Speaker 3>What a lovely thing to think of yourself one a

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<v Speaker 3>continuum like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I do the long self across time. I think that's

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<v Speaker 4>a very healing perspective. And loved it all versions of

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<v Speaker 4>yourself with unconditional love, because so many of us we

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<v Speaker 4>beat ourselves up and we are our own worst enemies,

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<v Speaker 4>and for some reason, when we step into that observer role,

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<v Speaker 4>like when you observe your past and you observe your

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<v Speaker 4>or you think about your future, you go into that

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<v Speaker 4>observer that meditative role. Studies show, because I do work

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<v Speaker 4>a lot with neuroscientists and psychologists these day, that when

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<v Speaker 4>we step outside ourselves and observe ourselves in the third person,

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<v Speaker 4>rather than thinking ourselves in the first person as we do,

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<v Speaker 4>for some reason, we're automatically more forgiving and more compassionate.

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<v Speaker 4>Is not interesting that if it's all in the now,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, mindfulness is all about in the now

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<v Speaker 4>and the first person, that actually we find it harder

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<v Speaker 4>to be kind to ourselves, and we really do need

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<v Speaker 4>to be kind to ourselves, because if we can't be

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<v Speaker 4>kind to ourselves, we can't be kind to other people,

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<v Speaker 3>And that's a hard, hard lesson to learn, is it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it really is this. I was reading your materials and

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<v Speaker 3>listening to you in preparation for this tart today. One

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<v Speaker 3>of the things that most interests me personally is your

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<v Speaker 3>work in melding and blending together the psychic the metaphysical

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<v Speaker 3>aspect of ourselves and the science part of ourselves, and

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<v Speaker 3>of course when I was aware of your work with

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<v Speaker 3>the eoetic science, folks my heart, can you talk a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit about that for us?

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<v Speaker 4>I can. As I said, I was a true believer.

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<v Speaker 4>I had no choice really about a spiritual path because

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<v Speaker 4>I was born into it. So I just accepted it.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't think I had special abilities myself. I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>think I was psychic or had mediumistic abilities. But when

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<v Speaker 4>you're surrounded by people who are so believed that they have,

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<v Speaker 4>when you go to medianship demonstrations and you see how

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<v Speaker 4>healing it can be, I kind of like, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe I haven't got those extraordinary gifts. I used to

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<v Speaker 4>think of it like that, that there are only certain

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<v Speaker 4>people who had these gifts. I now know that it's

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<v Speaker 4>within all of us. What we lack is belief in it.

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<v Speaker 4>But that was a journey you get there. So I

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<v Speaker 4>was a believer, and as I said, I was blessed

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<v Speaker 4>and honored to somehow. That's the story in itself. Get

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<v Speaker 4>a place at King's College, Cambridge at a time where yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>angels must have helped me there. There's a big story

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<v Speaker 4>about that. But when I was there, I studied alongside academics,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, and that's where I was very much on

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<v Speaker 4>the Christian spiritualist pass. I fully went to the theology

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<v Speaker 4>to apartment there the Faculty of Divinity. Isn't that wonderful

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<v Speaker 4>studying at the Faculty of Divinity? Wanting to enter the

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<v Speaker 4>church to be one of the first female priests, that

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<v Speaker 4>was my dream. But I then was exposed to all

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<v Speaker 4>world religions and like many people, became spiritual rather than

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<v Speaker 4>religious because I realized they're all paths to the same goal.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I use my academic ability, I guess to

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<v Speaker 4>spa with skeptics, because you can't go to a place

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<v Speaker 4>like Cambridge without having your beliefs completely scowered by people

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<v Speaker 4>who are on the other side of the spectrum and

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<v Speaker 4>actually learn to respect them as well, because skeptics are

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<v Speaker 4>truth seekers, they just go about it in a very

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<v Speaker 4>different way. And then I had the opportunity to write

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<v Speaker 4>book after book in this areas, but they were all

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<v Speaker 4>believers books.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I would start the book with the premise, I believe

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<v Speaker 4>I can't convince you, but here's what I've experienced. And

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<v Speaker 4>other people would write to me and I'd put my

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<v Speaker 4>stories their stories in my book. String it together, and

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<v Speaker 4>these were my first Sunday Times best sellers, where an

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<v Speaker 4>Angel called my name, an Angel changed my life. I

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<v Speaker 4>did about twenty of them. I think that such was

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<v Speaker 4>the appetite at the time, but I came very much

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<v Speaker 4>from I believe, and it's a matter of belief. There

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<v Speaker 4>is no proof, but that doesn't matter. If you believe,

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<v Speaker 4>that's all that matters. But about ten years ago I

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to give something more. I had the honor of

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<v Speaker 4>doing the HarperCollins element Encyclopedia series. I started with Psychic

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<v Speaker 4>World and eight Z. It was four hundred thousand words

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<v Speaker 4>of everything psychic, then twenty thousand Dreams, which later became

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<v Speaker 4>the Dream Dictionary, then Birthdays, which literally became a birthday.

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<v Speaker 4>They sliced them down into paperbacks, and in that again

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of acknowledged that there isn't that much science,

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<v Speaker 4>but it kind of doesn't matter. But I began to

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<v Speaker 4>think that it did matter. I wanted to think, where

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<v Speaker 4>is the science? And so I started to do some

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<v Speaker 4>outreach and the first place that I reached out to

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<v Speaker 4>was the Institute of Noetic Sciences. And that's where maybe,

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<v Speaker 4>just maybe my Cambridge academic background helped because I've often

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<v Speaker 4>wondered what on earth was I doing there, but it did.

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<v Speaker 4>It kind of was a window into it. Because these

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<v Speaker 4>are scientists, they work with data and whatever. So maybe

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<v Speaker 4>if I had approached them saying, look, I'm a medium

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<v Speaker 4>or I'm a channeler, they may not have entered a

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<v Speaker 4>dialogue with me. And I remember saying that I want

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<v Speaker 4>to talk to you. And I did loads of videos

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<v Speaker 4>and interviews with them, and then I eventually collaborated on

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<v Speaker 4>a book with doctor Julian Mossbridge, who's now a fellow

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<v Speaker 4>of the Institute of Noetic Sciences. Dean Raadan wrote the

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<v Speaker 4>ForWord and that book started me on an incredible journey.

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<v Speaker 4>It was called the Premonition Code, where you had a

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<v Speaker 4>neuroscientist and a spiritualist working together and realizing how close

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<v Speaker 4>we were when it came to dreams and dreams being

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<v Speaker 4>pre cognitive. Because Julian Mossbridge is one of the world's

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<v Speaker 4>leading experts in the study of presentiment, which is the

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<v Speaker 4>body being able to sense the future ahead of time,

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<v Speaker 4>and her research actually is credited in Dan's brown recent novel,

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<v Speaker 4>Secret of Secrets. It's one of really, yeah, she's doing

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<v Speaker 4>so many things now all over the world. Incredible and

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<v Speaker 4>we still keep in touch. She was actually on my

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<v Speaker 4>radio show as Samantha was a couple of weeks ago

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<v Speaker 4>at doctor Julian Mosbridge talking about what she's doing in

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<v Speaker 4>future forward research. And so this collaboration has just grown

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<v Speaker 4>and grown. I've now blogged with the Institute of Noetic Sciences,

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<v Speaker 4>but not just the Institute of Noetic Sciences. I also

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<v Speaker 4>reach out to other institutions researching afterlife science, channeling mediumship scientifically,

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<v Speaker 4>and I love working with these scientists because they are

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<v Speaker 4>first and foremost scientists. They're not doing these studies to

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<v Speaker 4>prove necessarily psychic abilities exist. They're treating it as data

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<v Speaker 4>as part of the human experience. And right now where

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<v Speaker 4>we are at is really exciting in that the overwhelming

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<v Speaker 4>amount of scientific and psychological research shows that even though

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<v Speaker 4>we don't understand psychic experiences, they are part of the

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<v Speaker 4>human condition, and people who don't expec experience them like

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<v Speaker 4>a dream coming true, or a hunch playing out, or

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<v Speaker 4>a sense of connection with the other side someone who's departed.

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<v Speaker 4>Ah in the minority, And there was me all these

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<v Speaker 4>decades thinking I was writing for a very niche audience

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<v Speaker 4>I'm actually writing for the mainstream. About ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 4>people have had an uncanny, unexplained experience. What they lack

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<v Speaker 4>and the journey of my life I lacked it as well,

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<v Speaker 4>was true belief in it because I'm always second guessing

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<v Speaker 4>and putting it down to one of those things that

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<v Speaker 4>must be a logical explanation all the time. Maybe that's

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<v Speaker 4>because I did, you know, study at Cambridge, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>what I was trained to do. But the journey of

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<v Speaker 4>my life is to actually realize that thing happened, and yes,

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<v Speaker 4>it's possible. It could be paranormal, could be super normal.

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<v Speaker 4>That is a very possible explanation. I need to start

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<v Speaker 4>believing in it more, and I'm still on that journey,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm getting there because I do think that self

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<v Speaker 4>belief is the holy Grail. Having interviewed many many leading

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<v Speaker 4>psychics and mediums, what I think they have that sets

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<v Speaker 4>them apart. They have such rock solid belief in their

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<v Speaker 4>spiritual DNA, in the fact and even if they get

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<v Speaker 4>a psychic hit wrong, it doesn't matter. They treat it

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<v Speaker 4>as a learning experience. They explain to me what it's

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<v Speaker 4>like the Internet. Sometimes it's really strong, other times it's

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<v Speaker 4>really weak and things get missed and it doesn't phase them.

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<v Speaker 4>If they do make a prediction or have a sense

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<v Speaker 4>that doesn't necessarily play out, they see what that happened

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<v Speaker 4>For a reason, it was to teach me something else

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<v Speaker 4>all this work we talk about in our psychic work.

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<v Speaker 4>You start recalling your dreams more, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 4>tapping into your dreams as a source of wisdom and

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<v Speaker 4>dreams actually have been so good to me, Samantha and

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<v Speaker 4>deb because although you're right, I write about all aspects

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<v Speaker 4>of mind, body and soul. I think I've written about

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred books. There isn't a topic in this field.

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<v Speaker 4>I probably haven't written some guide to it somewhere down

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<v Speaker 4>the line these last thirty years. But if for some

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<v Speaker 4>here in the UK, because I'm in the privileged position

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<v Speaker 4>lines to the nation, have you got a dream for Terresa?

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<v Speaker 4>And people will phone in with their mad dream, whatever

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm very careful when I do these mainstream things

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<v Speaker 4>cautious when you start saying there is an afterlife or

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<v Speaker 4>But what they don't realize when they're giving a platform

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<v Speaker 4>to dreams is they're giving a platform to soul. It

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<v Speaker 4>is the door for me dream work. It's the door

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<v Speaker 4>for the mainstream to start understanding that we are psychic

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<v Speaker 4>beings having a human experience. Everyone who's recorded a dream

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<v Speaker 4>is psychic. That's their first connection. Because we don't know

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<v Speaker 4>why we dream. We don't know where we go these

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<v Speaker 4>incredible stories and experiences. Scientists do not know why we dream.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't told the mid nineteen sixties that they actually

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the jilt that comes with precognitive dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's take our first quick break. We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey everybody, it's deb If you want to dive deeply

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<v Speaker 3>into the magic and mystery of numbers, June is the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so excited to be working with Sarah Renee in

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<v Speaker 3>our Sacred Summer series. The second of this four course

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<v Speaker 3>series is entitled Sacred Numbers Aligning to Earthly Patterns. This

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<v Speaker 3>and course details are on my website, Deb Bowen dot

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<v Speaker 3>com click the interactive courses tab. As always, there is

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<v Speaker 3>an afternoon and an evening section. Sign up today and

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<v Speaker 3>There are details at Deb Bowen dot com. Thanks so much, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, Tonisa.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to ask you.

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<v Speaker 1>We get a lot of emails from listeners who say

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<v Speaker 1>I have so many precognitive dreams.

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<v Speaker 5>Grim Reaper in my family because I can dream of

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<v Speaker 2>So my question is two parts.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think so many preconditive dreams are negative.

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<v Speaker 2>In nature on the outset?

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<v Speaker 1>And why do we have them if we can't really

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot about them? Which often leads to guilt.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, first of all, every dream we have, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 4>because I've done a lot of dream research, I started

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<v Speaker 4>with them being psychological and about self awareness and about

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<v Speaker 4>understanding yourself better. I now have moved to the position

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<v Speaker 4>which many dream researchers are now moving towards, actually that

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<v Speaker 4>every dream has a precognitive element. Every dream is showing

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<v Speaker 4>you a potential future mindset or situation that you're going

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<v Speaker 4>to encounter. If people could approach it that way, I

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<v Speaker 4>think that they the fear of it would go because

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying is potential. Because dreams, they are a

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<v Speaker 4>mirror of your current mindset. They show you symbolically how

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<v Speaker 4>you are feeling about your life right now, your relationships,

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<v Speaker 4>what's going on in your life, your relationship with yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>They give you a symbolic snapshot. Why is this precognitive?

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<v Speaker 4>It's because obviously your unconscious beliefs about yourself are what

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<v Speaker 4>very common experience of dejas reve when you have a

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<v Speaker 4>Now to go to your question about why are so

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<v Speaker 4>many dreams? Anxiety ridden, and what to do if you

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<v Speaker 4>think you have a dream that's going to predict something awful. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>first of all, why the anxiety ridden?

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<v Speaker 4>Sadly, many of us have a very tortured relationship with ourselves.

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<v Speaker 4>It is again the journey of our lives to understand ourselves,

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<v Speaker 4>both our shadow and our light, and fall in love

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<v Speaker 4>with that complexity and have understanding and compassion and enter

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<v Speaker 4>into a dialogue with it. Most of us, when we

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<v Speaker 4>have toxic impulses, we bury it or deny it, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's where the problem comes, and that's where it surfaces

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<v Speaker 4>in night, because that part of ourselves wants to be

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<v Speaker 4>noticed most of the time. It just wants you to

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<v Speaker 4>know that it's there, and it wants you wants to

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<v Speaker 4>be understood because often toxic impulses and negative thoughts formed

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<v Speaker 4>to protect us at a time in our life when

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<v Speaker 4>we are very vulnerable, and we need to say, look,

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<v Speaker 4>I understand you had good intentions that you're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>protect me, but I don't need that anymore. I'm becoming

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<v Speaker 4>more self aware. Thank you for the work you've done.

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<v Speaker 4>If you can do that to negative thoughts that you have,

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<v Speaker 4>they are a form of protection You can see it

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<v Speaker 4>that way, they will fade away. And I would love

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<v Speaker 4>more people to wake up with happy dreams. It breaks

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<v Speaker 4>my heart, like you, the majority of my email inbox

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<v Speaker 4>or my messaging inbox, ninety five percent of those dreams

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<v Speaker 4>are anxiety ones, and I think that is a common

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<v Speaker 4>theme across the globe. I want more people to write

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<v Speaker 4>to me about dreams, about dancing and singing, celebrating. We

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<v Speaker 4>would like bed too, because if you can dream it,

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<v Speaker 4>because the waking the mind doesn't know the difference between

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<v Speaker 4>the dreaming state and the waking state. If you can

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<v Speaker 4>incubate a dream where you see yourself happy, where you

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<v Speaker 4>see yourself succeeding, where you see yourself fulfilled and doing extraordinary,

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<v Speaker 4>wild and wonderful things, I'm telling you you are so

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<v Speaker 4>close to manifesting it in your waking life because the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that you can dream it means that your mind

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<v Speaker 4>thinks you're capable of it, right if it experienced it

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<v Speaker 4>in the dream state. It is the most neglected manifesting

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<v Speaker 4>tool dream work. Disney got it right. If you can

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<v Speaker 4>dream it when you're asleep, your chances of doing it

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<v Speaker 4>in waking life are so dramatically escalate because think about it,

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<v Speaker 4>your mind believes it can happen, so it creates this

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<v Speaker 4>scenario for you at night. We all know that perception

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<v Speaker 4>creates reality. But the trouble is most of us, it's

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<v Speaker 4>our conscious perception that the stories we tell ourselves, what

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<v Speaker 4>we don't really know is are unconscious what deep down

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<v Speaker 4>our beliefs are. Again, that's why dream work is so powerful,

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<v Speaker 4>because it shines a night light on what we truly

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<v Speaker 4>believe underneath those myths we tell ourselves. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 4>I am enough, I'm beautiful. But if you don't deep

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<v Speaker 4>down truly believe it or understand why you don't believe it,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not going to work. It's a band aid. Dream

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<v Speaker 4>work will show you exactly where you are, with brutal honesty,

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<v Speaker 4>your relationship with yourself, and what it is attracting or

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<v Speaker 4>repelling in your life, and that's why it's so powerful.

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<v Speaker 4>Dreams do not lie. So dream work is actually for me.

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<v Speaker 4>It should be the start of all personal growth and

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<v Speaker 4>spiritual work, because until you can get that unconscious core

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<v Speaker 4>more harmonious, everything you do on the outside is going

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<v Speaker 4>to be is not going to be as rewarding it

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<v Speaker 4>as it could be. But if you do have a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of dreams which play out, first of all, it

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<v Speaker 4>is a cause for celebration. It's again showing that we

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<v Speaker 4>are all psychic beings having a human experience. This is

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<v Speaker 4>so common, it's extraordinarily common. What I want to say

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<v Speaker 4>is that what so many people have this experience. They

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<v Speaker 4>Wow wow Wow, celebrate this. Do not be afraid of it.

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<v Speaker 4>If there's nothing you can have done to prevent something.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, if you do have a dream, say well

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<v Speaker 4>you see a friend or a loved one in a

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<v Speaker 4>compromising or traumatic position. There's no harm in telling them that.

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<v Speaker 4>But then is that person's journey. None of us are

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<v Speaker 4>responsible for the personal and psychic journey of anyone else,

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<v Speaker 4>just contrary to what we may think. Maybe children are vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 4>adults it's slightly different. But most people it's their part.

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<v Speaker 4>You can share it with people if you've had a dream,

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<v Speaker 4>and actually I've had people sometimes telling me they've dreamt

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<v Speaker 4>about me. It's really powerful. When someone messages to you

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<v Speaker 4>about that, think, wow, I figured in their unconscious it's

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<v Speaker 4>really Most people will not react negatively when you say that,

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<v Speaker 4>and it might actually encourage them to exercise more caution,

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<v Speaker 4>or you might have picked up on something that they're

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<v Speaker 4>for them to open up. So always, if you feel

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<v Speaker 4>do so. I cannot underline that enough. Do share your

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<v Speaker 4>do for yourself and others is to keep a dream journal,

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<v Speaker 4>because the only way to prove that you are a

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<v Speaker 4>precognitive being definitively is to have a record. Again, working

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<v Speaker 4>with scientists, I have learned they don't want after the

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<v Speaker 4>events narratives. Well I thought that or I dreamt that.

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<v Speaker 4>They say, where's the proof? You need proof with a

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<v Speaker 4>time stamp, you know, if it's easier to speak into

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<v Speaker 4>a microphone, that is a amazing and then send it

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<v Speaker 4>to places like the Institute of Noetic Sciences. This is

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<v Speaker 4>what they're studying. But it's no good saying it it happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Start becoming a psychic detective, a citizen scientist, and write

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<v Speaker 4>dream work, which many dream therapists actually neglect, which is hindsight.

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<v Speaker 4>We're all so future forward thinking, which is a good thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But with dream work, the only way to know what

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<v Speaker 4>your triggers are in your dreams or where there's a

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<v Speaker 4>precognitive hit is to go back and look, say usually

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<v Speaker 4>Don't be disappointed if some of the elements are trivial, like,

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<v Speaker 4>important in your life is dressed top to toe in

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>You say, all's the point of that? That's not changing anything? Well,

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<v Speaker 4>what it's capable of if you believe in it. It's saying, look,

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<v Speaker 4>this is just the prelude to what I really can do.

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<v Speaker 4>If you start practicing some meditation, listening more to psychic

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<v Speaker 4>teachers with Samantha and deb opening your mind and your

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<v Speaker 4>It's also saying, look, the moment you recognize a symbol

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<v Speaker 4>from your dream in your waking life is a power point,

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<v Speaker 4>stop something about the decisions you're about to make emotionally

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<v Speaker 4>The path you take right now is very important. Just

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<v Speaker 4>pause and reflect because the overwhelming majority of dreams they

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<v Speaker 4>want you to do what many of us don't do

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<v Speaker 4>enough these days, which is to reflect on what we're

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<v Speaker 4>about to do next and if it's the right thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you do recognize a symbol or a person,

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<v Speaker 4>or a sound or a feeling, often it's a feeling

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<v Speaker 4>from a dream a few nights before, Please that's your

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<v Speaker 4>meditation moment. Take some time to go within and think

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<v Speaker 4>about what's swirling within you and what it is attracting.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it what you want or is it what you

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<v Speaker 4>don't want? Because the trouble is, most of us spend

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<v Speaker 4>all our time thinking about what we don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>happen in our lives, and then we wonder why it happens.

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<v Speaker 4>It's because that's all we're thinking about. I don't want

435
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<v Speaker 4>to be poor, I don't want to be lonely, I

436
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<v Speaker 4>don't want to be unloved. If that's what you keep

437
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<v Speaker 4>thinking about, expect more of it to arrive because we

438
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<v Speaker 4>are energetic beings. Start thinking, I am loved, I'm never

439
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<v Speaker 4>alone because my future and past self are always around.

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<v Speaker 4>Never alone.

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<v Speaker 2>I am enough.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't need externals to fulfill me. Start consciously correcting

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<v Speaker 4>those thoughts of lack to thoughts of fullness, and watch

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<v Speaker 4>your life change. And do it. First thing in the morning.

445
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<v Speaker 4>First thing in the morning is so powerful. Let those

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<v Speaker 4>dreams bubble to the surface, however weird and wonderful. Write

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<v Speaker 4>them down and see that as a sign that you've

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<v Speaker 4>got within you all the wisdom you need. You just

449
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<v Speaker 4>need to start understanding it and decoding it. Sorry, I

450
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<v Speaker 4>do rab it on.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't know. It's great.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take our last break. We'll come right

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<v Speaker 1>back and let dev ask.

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<v Speaker 2>A question and they want to touch on dream incubation.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay with us.

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<v Speaker 3>So I have a question because you mentioned the unconscious

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<v Speaker 3>a minute ago, and I have training in YOUNGI in

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<v Speaker 3>work and working with archetypes and symbols. Of course, I

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<v Speaker 3>know you've written about that. How do you when you

479
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<v Speaker 3>are working with someone for whom symbology might be a

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<v Speaker 3>difficult process and a dream interpretation for themselves what do

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<v Speaker 3>you do to help them think symbolically? How do you

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<v Speaker 3>work with that?

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<v Speaker 2>From two things.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, I tell them to stop worrying about

485
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<v Speaker 4>understanding their dreams and just celebrate the glorious madness. I

486
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<v Speaker 4>always say to people who want to work with me

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<v Speaker 4>on dreams before I see you, I want twenty of

488
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<v Speaker 4>your dreams. Just fall in love with dreaming, and don't

489
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<v Speaker 4>try to search for answers all the time, because dreams

490
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<v Speaker 4>are about the questions, because we learn so much more

491
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<v Speaker 4>from questions than we do from answers. Answers shut up,

492
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<v Speaker 4>brains down, questions open them up. And dreams are an

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<v Speaker 4>infinite question. So just start getting into the habit of

494
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<v Speaker 4>dream recall and writing them down, and then just enjoy them.

495
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<v Speaker 4>Stop trying to strain over the meeting or think why

496
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<v Speaker 4>did I dream of that mad reindeer? Or why was

497
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<v Speaker 4>a flower talking to me?

498
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<v Speaker 2>Stop?

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<v Speaker 4>Just stop pushing and prodding and get at least twenty

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<v Speaker 4>and then come to me and we'll have a great

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<v Speaker 4>conversation where we use hindsight again, and we'll go through

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<v Speaker 4>and we'll start asking those questions which happens in counseling anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, people don't realize that we come with this

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<v Speaker 4>inner therapist in a counselor, because the whole point of

505
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<v Speaker 4>a counselor will say, well, how do you feel about that?

506
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<v Speaker 4>Or how do you feel about that? That's what your

507
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<v Speaker 4>dreams are doing for you, for free and much cheaper.

508
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<v Speaker 4>So that's the first thing. And then the second thing

509
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<v Speaker 4>is I ask them to tell me what their favorite

510
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<v Speaker 4>poem is, any poem, and if they're not into poetry,

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<v Speaker 4>I offer them a few poems, you know, immortal ones

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<v Speaker 4>that have stood the test of time for a reason.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I start teaching them, because I used to

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<v Speaker 4>do a lot of literature teaching as well, the basics

515
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<v Speaker 4>of poetry analysis and how when you first read a poem,

516
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<v Speaker 4>it's terrifying, it doesn't make sense, and you think, what's

517
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<v Speaker 4>the point of poetry? And it's actually interesting because people

518
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<v Speaker 4>who say what's the point of dreaming? Often hate poetry.

519
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<v Speaker 4>And then I teach them how amazing poetry is. I

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<v Speaker 4>teach them about how symbols work in a poem and

521
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<v Speaker 4>how the poet is using this metaphor to point to

522
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<v Speaker 4>something deeper. It's all about going deeper and deeper. I

523
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<v Speaker 4>talk about pathetic fallacy, and things like movies as well,

524
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<v Speaker 4>because movies are poetry. Often when a character is having

525
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<v Speaker 4>an emotional breakdown, there's always a storm outside. But it's

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<v Speaker 4>that's pathetic fallacy, again a known literary technique. I introduce

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<v Speaker 4>them to the works of Shakespeare, rich In, all these

528
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<v Speaker 4>powerful archetypes and symbols. That's how I go about it,

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<v Speaker 4>to get them to fall in love with art, poetry, literature,

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<v Speaker 4>and to understand that your dreaming mind is a frustrated artist,

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<v Speaker 4>poet and visionary and every night it's sending you a

532
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<v Speaker 4>masterpiece all about you, a movie about you, a poem

533
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<v Speaker 4>dedicated for you. I try to tell them that dreams

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<v Speaker 4>don't happen to them, dreams are created by them. You

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<v Speaker 4>don't realize people think dreams just happen, they descend. They don't.

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<v Speaker 4>They are created by you. They're for you, and they're

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<v Speaker 4>all about amazing you. And let's all start creating masterpieces

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<v Speaker 4>in our sleep. That's how I go about it. I

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<v Speaker 4>go about it in a kind of a windy way.

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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting. Thank you for that. It's very helpful.

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<v Speaker 4>When I did one of my first interviews with the BBC,

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<v Speaker 4>they called it the Night poet, and if you actually

543
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<v Speaker 4>write down a dream and think of it as a poem,

544
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<v Speaker 4>and we know all no poems don't mean what they

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<v Speaker 4>say on the surface. The whole point of a poem,

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<v Speaker 4>and a great work of art, for example, work of

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<v Speaker 4>art like the Mona Lisa or that silent scream. When

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<v Speaker 4>you look at a timeless work of art, every time

549
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<v Speaker 4>you look of it, you get another meaning. And the

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<v Speaker 4>same with music as well. Music is similar to dreaming.

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<v Speaker 4>It speaks through emotion and the associations it triggers in

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<v Speaker 4>the listener. And there's why there's some songs that, no

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<v Speaker 4>matter how many times you listen to them, every time,

554
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<v Speaker 4>they give you goosebumps, and they give you connections and

555
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<v Speaker 4>associations that you didn't have before. And why at various

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<v Speaker 4>ages in your life you can return to a great

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<v Speaker 4>song or a great work of literature and read it

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<v Speaker 4>with different eyes and a different heart and get new associations.

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<v Speaker 4>Your dreams are like that every single night. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>why if you do keep a dream dictionary, go back

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<v Speaker 4>to the dreams you had this time last year. It

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<v Speaker 4>can be fascinating. Have your dreams got stuck in a

563
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<v Speaker 4>kind of groundhog night? That they're constantly the same, or

564
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 4>are your dream symbols getting richer and more varied. Pay

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<v Speaker 4>attention to that. You want your symbols to evolve as

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<v Speaker 4>much as you're waking lives evolves with new and rich scenarios.

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<v Speaker 4>It breaks my heart when people come to me and

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<v Speaker 4>they're dreaming about, you know, the same traffic jam that

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<v Speaker 4>they're in, or they're stuck. And a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>stuck in their cars in dreams. It's fascinating. There was

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<v Speaker 4>one phone in I did were literally eight out of

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<v Speaker 4>ten callers they were in their cars and their cars

573
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<v Speaker 4>were not working or starting, or they were being diverted.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm saying, oh my god, in your dream state,

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<v Speaker 4>you can go anywhere, you can be anything. Why are

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<v Speaker 4>you choosing, because yes, you are choosing to be stuck

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<v Speaker 4>in your.

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<v Speaker 2>Car, not going anywhere in your dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, Well, that's when a third party observer.

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<v Speaker 5>You were talking about the giving of our talk is

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<v Speaker 5>so so important. Yeah, talked about how we can use

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<v Speaker 5>the dreams to help our subconscious manifest The recent studies

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<v Speaker 5>and dream incubation have been really intriguing to me, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's almost as though you can do these exercises to

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<v Speaker 5>program yourself to have a certain dream.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell.

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<v Speaker 1>People how to do that, or what your experiences with it, what.

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<v Speaker 4>It starts during the day. Actually, listening to this episode

589
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<v Speaker 4>will encourage people to remember their dreams because what you

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<v Speaker 4>focus on in the day, even if you don't realize it,

591
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<v Speaker 4>or what you'll unconsciously pick up on, is what's going

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<v Speaker 4>to show up at night. Because if you think that

593
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<v Speaker 4>so many things that you experience in the day, why

594
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<v Speaker 4>do certain things manifest in your dream? So listening to

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<v Speaker 4>this means that for the length of this episode, people

596
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<v Speaker 4>have most of the time been thinking about their dreams

597
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<v Speaker 4>through our conversation. That's very powerful because it may well

598
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<v Speaker 4>show up tomorrow morning in dream recall because you've been

599
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<v Speaker 4>there during the day. So what you're doing the day

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<v Speaker 4>is very important. During the day, As I said, read

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<v Speaker 4>a poem, practice that dream state. Maybe do a bit

602
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<v Speaker 4>of video gaming. I know that's controversial, but when you

603
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<v Speaker 4>immerse yourself in a non harmful, violent video game, you

604
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<v Speaker 4>are kind of practicing the dream state. There is a

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<v Speaker 4>big correlation actually to people who are video gamers and

606
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<v Speaker 4>lucid dreaming, and many lucid dreaming studies are done on

607
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<v Speaker 4>gamers because you're activating that part of your brain. So

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<v Speaker 4>do a little bit of gaming, read a novel, and

609
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<v Speaker 4>admire art, listen to music you love. Do all these

610
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<v Speaker 4>things during the day. Meditate if that's what you want

611
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<v Speaker 4>to do. Do all these things that unlock the intuitive

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<v Speaker 4>and creative parts of your brain.

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<v Speaker 2>So during the.

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<v Speaker 4>Day, start thinking about the exciting dreams you're going to have,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, start incubating really from the morning onwards. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not just something you do in the two minutes before

617
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<v Speaker 4>you go to sleep, although that's the optimum time because

618
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<v Speaker 4>your brain's very impressionable throughout the day. And also start

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<v Speaker 4>looking at your waking life as if it was a dream.

620
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<v Speaker 4>You know, you bumped into someone, If that happened in

621
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<v Speaker 4>the dream, what would it mean. That's a really exciting

622
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<v Speaker 4>way to live, showing that the dreaming state and the

623
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<v Speaker 4>waking state they are one. You're just in a different

624
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<v Speaker 4>state of consciousness. People think they switch off when they

625
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:44.239
<v Speaker 4>fall asleep. They don't. You're still you. You're just in a

626
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<v Speaker 4>different state of consciousness. Sorry to break it to everyone,

627
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<v Speaker 4>but you are you twenty four seven. There's no break

628
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<v Speaker 4>from you, right, So you may as well, enjoy it

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<v Speaker 4>and stuff. Then when you go to sleep at night,

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<v Speaker 4>as I said, before you go to sleep, calm down,

631
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.880
<v Speaker 4>do stay away from them screens. If you can look

632
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:06.000
<v Speaker 4>at some oracle cards or artwork, Listen to some music,

633
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.679
<v Speaker 4>you know, some gentle conversation, read a novel and drift

634
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:11.639
<v Speaker 4>off with that. And before you when you put your

635
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:14.760
<v Speaker 4>head on the pillow at night, do make sure your

636
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.960
<v Speaker 4>dream journal is somewhere visual. Actually when by the bedside,

637
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:20.760
<v Speaker 4>because that's a visual queue. Because your brain is in

638
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:24.679
<v Speaker 4>that glorious theta state which children are often in, which

639
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.800
<v Speaker 4>is very impressionable. What you tell your brain in that

640
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:31.199
<v Speaker 4>seta state when it's relaxed, you know, semi relaxed, is

641
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:34.719
<v Speaker 4>so powerful. It forms neural pathways. So just before you

642
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:36.880
<v Speaker 4>go to sleep, start saying I'm going to have a

643
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.320
<v Speaker 4>dream and it's going to be fun, and when I

644
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.079
<v Speaker 4>wake up, I'm going to recall it. That's the best

645
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.079
<v Speaker 4>way to incubate a dream. But also when you wake

646
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:47.039
<v Speaker 4>up in the morning, what you do is very important.

647
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.719
<v Speaker 4>Stay still for a minute. Most people when they wake up,

648
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 4>they immediately fidget and move, and any kind of movement

649
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.800
<v Speaker 4>even blinking and opening your eyes will redirect the brain

650
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.039
<v Speaker 4>to the conscious state, and in the conscious state, linear

651
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.480
<v Speaker 4>time takes over your ego, logic, and reason, and they

652
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 4>are the mortal enemies really of intuition and creativity. They're

653
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 4>too powerful, they block it out. So you need to

654
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:13.000
<v Speaker 4>just stay in that twilight zone, in the position that

655
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.039
<v Speaker 4>you woke up in for a minute or two and

656
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.760
<v Speaker 4>see what memories surface. If no memory surface, please don't

657
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.599
<v Speaker 4>get angry. Poor dream recall happens to us all for

658
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.360
<v Speaker 4>a variety of reasons. That's the whole other episode. I

659
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:28.760
<v Speaker 4>can explain why. And also if you're on certain medication

660
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.559
<v Speaker 4>that can sometimes limit it. But if no memory comes,

661
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.800
<v Speaker 4>think about how you feel, because that will have formed

662
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:39.599
<v Speaker 4>the backdrop of the dream. Because the language of dreams

663
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:43.239
<v Speaker 4>is first of all symbols, metaphors, but also emotion. So

664
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.199
<v Speaker 4>we all wake up slightly different each morning, and that

665
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:48.280
<v Speaker 4>will be because of a vision we've had in a dream.

666
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:53.039
<v Speaker 4>So in your journal, right, I feel, and then just

667
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.280
<v Speaker 4>write down how you feel. And as you write down

668
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:58.960
<v Speaker 4>how you feel, you'll be surprised memories will surface. And

669
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.119
<v Speaker 4>also during the morning you may find that suddenly a

670
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:04.559
<v Speaker 4>dream memory pops in. But if it doesn't, that's fine,

671
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.679
<v Speaker 4>and don't underestimate the power also of the day dreaming state,

672
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.320
<v Speaker 4>especially when you take a shower. Use that as an

673
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.960
<v Speaker 4>opportunity because it's an ideal time. Actually, it's a very

674
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.079
<v Speaker 4>meditative thing when you shower or wash because your conscious

675
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:18.920
<v Speaker 4>mind is very busy with all the things you need

676
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.760
<v Speaker 4>to do, washing and all that routine you have, so

677
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:25.760
<v Speaker 4>it's distracted. It's out of the way, allowing your intuition

678
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.360
<v Speaker 4>and creativity surface because they they're quietening their conscious mind

679
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:33.320
<v Speaker 4>with an activity that's kind of routine and familiar, keeping

680
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:35.880
<v Speaker 4>it busy. So I hope that answers your question is

681
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:40.119
<v Speaker 4>really just actually shifting your perspective about dreaming and from

682
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.760
<v Speaker 4>their nonsense. They're random, they don't make sense to well,

683
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:47.760
<v Speaker 4>perhaps they're not nonsense. Perhaps they're not random, and perhaps

684
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.400
<v Speaker 4>there is method in the madness, because trust me, there is.

685
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.960
<v Speaker 4>I've dedicated my life to researching this. Dreams can change

686
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:58.119
<v Speaker 4>and heal and inspire lives. And for proof of that,

687
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:02.360
<v Speaker 4>just go and read about Albert Einstein, who relied on

688
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:06.480
<v Speaker 4>both dreams and music for the theories like the theory

689
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:09.239
<v Speaker 4>of relativity, which changed the world. He would not have

690
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:13.880
<v Speaker 4>been able to come up with those world changing scenarios

691
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.519
<v Speaker 4>without vivid dreams pointing him in the right direction, because

692
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:20.000
<v Speaker 4>in the dream state, logic and reason have gone, so

693
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 4>you can make associations between areas of life that you

694
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.280
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't normally connect because logic would jump in and say

695
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.280
<v Speaker 4>no way. But in the dream state it's like, yes,

696
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.440
<v Speaker 4>every way, anything's possible.

697
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Tell us a little bit about your most recent book,

698
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.559
<v Speaker 1>twin Flames, and tell us about.

699
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:38.960
<v Speaker 2>The book you have coming out in the fall.

700
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:41.719
<v Speaker 4>Oh, that's very very kind. Well, my most recent book

701
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:44.800
<v Speaker 4>is your twin Flame Journey, because so many people have

702
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:49.360
<v Speaker 4>misunderstandings about their intimate relationships and this concept of a

703
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:54.000
<v Speaker 4>soulmate or twin flame, and I distinguish between what a

704
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:56.599
<v Speaker 4>soulmate is and what a twin flame is and deb

705
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.199
<v Speaker 4>I'm really glad that you're very Youngian because my twin

706
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 4>Flame Journey is all about integration and how the twin

707
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.760
<v Speaker 4>Flame Journey really is about a return home to yourself.

708
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:10.320
<v Speaker 4>It's not necessarily a person. A person can ignite that,

709
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.519
<v Speaker 4>but the most important relationship you ever have, despite what

710
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:19.159
<v Speaker 4>the movies tell us, is the one with yourself, full truly,

711
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.760
<v Speaker 4>madly and deeply in love with that idea, and everything

712
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:27.079
<v Speaker 4>takes care of itself. But I unpitcarmic relationships, the idea

713
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:31.239
<v Speaker 4>of soulmates, and I often equate the idea of a soulmate.

714
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:31.559
<v Speaker 3>To a harbor.

715
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:35.280
<v Speaker 4>A ship loves to go to a harbor to refuel

716
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:38.840
<v Speaker 4>and for a sense of home and refuge. But your

717
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.320
<v Speaker 4>twin flame is the ocean, and a ship is built

718
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:44.000
<v Speaker 4>for the ocean. It's calling you out to the ocean

719
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 4>all the time. That's the metaphor I use for the book,

720
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.679
<v Speaker 4>a ship being us, you know, a metaphor for who

721
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.559
<v Speaker 4>we are. We are meant to go out to the ocean.

722
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.280
<v Speaker 4>We're not meant to sit in a harbor. And soulmates

723
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.159
<v Speaker 4>are these harbors that we have in our lives. So

724
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.159
<v Speaker 4>I really enjoyed writing that, and it was interesting the

725
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:03.719
<v Speaker 4>reaction because immediately people saying it's a cult because of

726
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:07.760
<v Speaker 4>these Netflix Amazon documentaries about it, and why are you

727
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:09.679
<v Speaker 4>talking about that, you know you should be talking about

728
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:12.480
<v Speaker 4>dreams and angels, and I said, I wanted to actually

729
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:14.960
<v Speaker 4>normalize it and show that it is the journey of

730
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.360
<v Speaker 4>our lives. It's the journey to self love and self belief.

731
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:20.199
<v Speaker 4>That's the twin flame journey, and sometimes you can meet

732
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:23.679
<v Speaker 4>someone who ignites that, and sometimes you can that person,

733
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 4>you can meet them for five minutes or a lifetime.

734
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:31.000
<v Speaker 4>But it's someone that's before and afterwards that you rethink

735
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 4>everything you thought you knew about life. That is your

736
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:37.440
<v Speaker 4>twin flame. It's someone who ignites this passion for psychic

737
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.800
<v Speaker 4>and spiritual awakening. And sometimes it can be a podcast,

738
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, like the Psychic Teachers podcast, that can be

739
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:46.320
<v Speaker 4>the twin flame for some people. It awakens something. We

740
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.599
<v Speaker 4>have to get rid of the idea that it's necessarily

741
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:54.400
<v Speaker 4>a romantic relationship. It could be all forms of relationships,

742
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Speaker 4>even virtual ones sometimes, and I know again that's controversial,

743
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.079
<v Speaker 4>but that was my take on it. I also I

744
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.559
<v Speaker 4>wrote a novel recently as well, called Nightbourne, which is

745
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.360
<v Speaker 4>again very Youngian, about a psychology professor who suddenly wakes

746
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.559
<v Speaker 4>up one day and everybody's dreaming about her and she

747
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:10.559
<v Speaker 4>has to find out why and it goes on a

748
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.559
<v Speaker 4>wild and wonderful adventure. And the reason I wrote that

749
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:17.320
<v Speaker 4>is that my daughter loves fiction. She's always reading romantic

750
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 4>fantasies but will never read nonfiction. And there's so many

751
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.639
<v Speaker 4>people like that today. They're not some people are not

752
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 4>drawn to nonfiction books, which makes me sad, so I

753
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:29.280
<v Speaker 4>wanted to try. And so when you read Nightborne, you

754
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:33.079
<v Speaker 4>actually get a crash course in dream decoding while being

755
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:37.639
<v Speaker 4>hopefully fully engaged in a story that not only changes

756
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:39.440
<v Speaker 4>the life of the main character but the world.

757
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.639
<v Speaker 3>It's a very ambitious story. I loved it.

758
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.239
<v Speaker 4>I love the freedom actually of being able to do

759
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.840
<v Speaker 4>that and to bring dream decoding and then coming up again.

760
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:51.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm a very prolific author. I feel very blessed. I

761
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.760
<v Speaker 4>have in October this year a book called Extreme Dreaming,

762
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 4>which is the theme that we started off actually this

763
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.480
<v Speaker 4>episode about why are so many people having bad dreams

764
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:04.920
<v Speaker 4>or thinking of their dreams as bad? And it covers

765
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:10.199
<v Speaker 4>nightmares obviously shadow dreaming, but also those unwonted thoughts that

766
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:14.280
<v Speaker 4>suddenly jump into our lives during the day. Why that happens,

767
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:18.079
<v Speaker 4>you know, negative thoughts that come out of nowhere, destructive thoughts,

768
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:20.800
<v Speaker 4>and again to try and normalize it and show that

769
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:24.440
<v Speaker 4>they are all healing and potentially transformative gifts if you

770
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:26.639
<v Speaker 4>just shine the light of awareness on them. And I

771
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:29.480
<v Speaker 4>hope that book Extreme Dreaming will help a lot of

772
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:36.079
<v Speaker 4>people come to terms with bad dreams and actually not

773
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:39.960
<v Speaker 4>get frustrated or anxious about them, but actually when they

774
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:43.800
<v Speaker 4>have them, to think, this is exciting because it's pointing

775
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 4>me somewhere. It's showing me something that I need to say, do, feel,

776
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:52.360
<v Speaker 4>or think in coming days. It's giving me an opportunity

777
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:54.559
<v Speaker 4>to really transform.

778
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:57.119
<v Speaker 1>You have to come back in the fall and talk

779
00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>about bad Thank.

780
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:04.079
<v Speaker 3>You absolutely love your point about the how valuable fiction

781
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.800
<v Speaker 3>can be in this work that you're absolutely right about that.

782
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.400
<v Speaker 4>It's millions and millions of people read fiction. You could

783
00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 4>say it's a form of escapism, but in some ways

784
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:19.239
<v Speaker 4>it's fiction. Really is dreaming with your eyes open. And

785
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:21.320
<v Speaker 4>so if you think of it like that, because and

786
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:23.679
<v Speaker 4>also there's a study, isn't there that people who read

787
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:28.039
<v Speaker 4>fiction tend to be more empathetic, very and kinder because

788
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.719
<v Speaker 4>when you read fiction, what happens is you kind of

789
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:35.079
<v Speaker 4>lose yourself. You emphasize with the characters. You also meditate

790
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.440
<v Speaker 4>without realizing it, because when you're reading it, you are

791
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.519
<v Speaker 4>seeing these characters. That's why we're so disappointed sometimes when

792
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:42.639
<v Speaker 4>a book we love goes to the screen and it's

793
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:47.519
<v Speaker 4>not what we imagined. But when we're reading, we're doing

794
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.559
<v Speaker 4>that we are activating those parts of our brains much

795
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.719
<v Speaker 4>more so than we I mean, movies have their place

796
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.440
<v Speaker 4>as well, but they're a bit more passive because a

797
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 4>director has a vision that they're giving us. We have

798
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:01.360
<v Speaker 4>to do less work. Reading is so powerful and it's

799
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.559
<v Speaker 4>so important for young people as well to fall in

800
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:06.639
<v Speaker 4>love with reading, because when you're reading, you're actually being

801
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.480
<v Speaker 4>an intuitive, you are channeling, you're psychic. You're not realizing.

802
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:12.760
<v Speaker 4>It's a very powerful, powerful tool and I want I mean,

803
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:16.800
<v Speaker 4>Nightbourne will not win any literary awards. I know that

804
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:20.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm firmly a nonfiction writer, but it was something I

805
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.559
<v Speaker 4>wanted to tick off my buckets at this to say, look,

806
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:24.639
<v Speaker 4>I've done that, and it was interesting. The reaction of

807
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:26.559
<v Speaker 4>my publishers when I said I wanted to write it

808
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:29.239
<v Speaker 4>was a hard note. I had to do it myself.

809
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:31.679
<v Speaker 4>But often in life, when you try and break out

810
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 4>of the expectations that people have on you of who

811
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.159
<v Speaker 4>you are, you will notice that people don't like it.

812
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.199
<v Speaker 4>And that's the same with spiritual growth. When you start

813
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.280
<v Speaker 4>awakening to your own inner power, you will find it's

814
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 4>a form of quality control that people in the relationship.

815
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 4>Quality control that people who people sometimes have a vested

816
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.960
<v Speaker 4>interest in you being a certain way, and they're not

817
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.800
<v Speaker 4>going to like it when you change. But you must

818
00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:00.280
<v Speaker 4>change because we're here to constantly involve into high and

819
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.599
<v Speaker 4>higher versions of yourself. And the people who are meant

820
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:06.840
<v Speaker 4>to resonate on your level, you will find them. You

821
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Speaker 4>will find your tribe, you will and those that don't

822
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:14.360
<v Speaker 4>accept this version of yourself that you're evolving into, they

823
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.039
<v Speaker 4>were never meant to be in your life. And well,

824
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:18.000
<v Speaker 4>maybe there was a time and a place.

825
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:20.760
<v Speaker 3>I call it breaking out of the box. Somebody has

826
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:21.159
<v Speaker 3>put me in.

827
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, people want to put you in your body, and

828
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:26.280
<v Speaker 4>I was firmly put into the angel lady box. I

829
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:30.400
<v Speaker 4>just write angel stories, then the dream decoding box. But

830
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.599
<v Speaker 4>you know, that's one of the joys about getting older.

831
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:37.519
<v Speaker 4>You really stop worrying about fulfilling the expectations of others

832
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:41.719
<v Speaker 4>and you start doing things because it's your passion and

833
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:45.960
<v Speaker 4>it's true to who you are, and that matters far more. Obviously,

834
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:47.760
<v Speaker 4>it's nice to get the great sales and to get

835
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:51.079
<v Speaker 4>everybody on board, but actually knowing that you did what

836
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:55.280
<v Speaker 4>was true to you, that's the best and greatest reward. Actually,

837
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:58.360
<v Speaker 4>now I cannot anymore do things that I don't feel

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<v Speaker 4>authentic about you when you're younger because you're still role playing,

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<v Speaker 4>aren't you. It's your persona is so important and what

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<v Speaker 4>you're constructing. But as you get older, one of the

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<v Speaker 4>benefits is you are so you step more and more

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<v Speaker 4>into your authentic que It's wildly liberating because you realize

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<v Speaker 4>that the applause of the world is fickle. You're a

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<v Speaker 4>read blown in the wind if you're constantly chasing that

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<v Speaker 4>and for example social media, for example, you can do

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<v Speaker 4>a wonderful post from something like something deeply profound from

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<v Speaker 4>the Dai Lama, there's you know, two likes, and then

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<v Speaker 4>you can post about a psychic goldfish hundreds of thousand

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<v Speaker 4>like you really trying to chase the approval of people. Actually,

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<v Speaker 4>at the end of the day, everybody's going to have

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<v Speaker 4>a different opinion and want something out of you that's different.

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<v Speaker 4>You need to know what is right for you and

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<v Speaker 4>to follow that path.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that message and I just love listening to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I have loved your work forever. I wanted to ask

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<v Speaker 2>you so. I love all your angel stories. We get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of questions, some of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Popular shows are on spirit babies, children that communicate with

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<v Speaker 1>their parents before they come to earth. An angel baby's

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<v Speaker 1>tunches on that quite a lot. Do you have other

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<v Speaker 1>books that focus on that with dreams in particular dreams dreams.

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<v Speaker 4>Of unborn children. Yes, I had that myself actually with

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<v Speaker 4>my son, years before I met my husband. I had

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<v Speaker 4>this dream of a little boy helping me up the mountain.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, how symbolic was that. And he was Asian,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, I'd never seen him before, and I

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<v Speaker 4>now recognized that was my son. It's the same look

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<v Speaker 4>in the same in his eyes. And it's wonderful that

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<v Speaker 4>he was helping me up a mountain because my son

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<v Speaker 4>actually took my angel message a little too literally. I

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<v Speaker 4>was always saying, well, grow your own wings. Well, he's

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<v Speaker 4>now a fully qualified professional pilot flying. Every time I

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<v Speaker 4>look at a plane now, you know, these big commercial jets,

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<v Speaker 4>I think of him. I never thought that growing your

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<v Speaker 4>own wings the message would be taken.

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<v Speaker 3>Quite so literally.

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<v Speaker 4>He's up there in the skies.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and thank you so So we're going to put

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<v Speaker 1>some of your books in the show notes and linked

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<v Speaker 1>to your website so people can find all of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Do one more thing for a story, soa please as

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<v Speaker 3>we close out, tell folks the best ways to contact you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>As I said, I'm very prolific. Just type in my

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<v Speaker 4>name Teresa Chung online and you will find me. But

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<v Speaker 4>I have a website Teresa Chun dot com and an

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<v Speaker 4>Instagram handle at the Teresa Chung Perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Thank you so much for being with us.

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<v Speaker 3>What a pleasure to meet you. Thank you for the

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<v Speaker 3>work you do.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you likewise Gito as I should say from the

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<v Speaker 4>movie Ghost.

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<v Speaker 1>And thank you everyone so much for listening. We hope

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<v Speaker 1>you have a wonderful, magical week filled with tons and

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<v Speaker 1>tons of dreams that you fully recall. Remember as always

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<v Speaker 1>to be the.

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<v Speaker 2>Light for yourself and others.

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<v Speaker 3>Take care everyone.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you for listening to Psychic Teachers, your podcast for seekers,

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