1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,719 Speaker 1: What is up, fellows seko as I am damn Valley 2 00:00:07,719 --> 00:00:10,800 coming at you with the one, the only, the certified fantabulous. 3 00:00:10,839 --> 00:00:13,000 He has a license that says so went to school 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:18,199 for it, mister Grant Hughes Esquire or something. Look Ahead train, 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,600 offseason lookhead train. Excuse me, it's not a regular season Lookhead. 6 00:00:21,359 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 2: Off season look Ahead train rolls onward. 7 00:00:23,879 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: We are on to the Boston Celtics, who I don't 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,920 think I will say before we dig into nitty gritty. 9 00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:32,759 I never expected recording both the Calves and Celtics look 10 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:35,280 aheads before the conference You would have said one got eliminated, 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,439 be like okay, but both of them just being out 12 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:39,039 and we were almost in a position because Thunder went 13 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:41,240 to Game seven against the Nuggets, whereas, oh, these three 14 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,159 teams that dominated the regular season, none of them made 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,799 the conference finals, which would have been wild. 16 00:00:45,039 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a clear top tier in the regular season, 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,640 and now there's one team from it left standing. Not 18 00:00:51,759 --> 00:00:53,479 on my bingo card, I would say. 19 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,439 Speaker 1: Let's go through these Celtics off season vitals. There's a 20 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:58,719 lot to get to, including the Jason Tatum injury and 21 00:00:58,759 --> 00:00:59,799 how that impacts everything. 22 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: But going into the offseason. 23 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: They project to be more than twenty million dollars into 24 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,640 the second apron, and that's after factoring in they have 25 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,159 the number twenty eight pick. There are some non guarantees 26 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,200 that could impact that. However, one big thing that's not 27 00:01:12,239 --> 00:01:15,319 included again, twenty million into the second apron plus twenty 28 00:01:15,359 --> 00:01:18,159 million plus al Horfer's a free agent and I didn't 29 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,519 put any I didn't put al Horfer's cap hold in there. 30 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,599 Speaker 2: So it's a UFA. They could resign him. 31 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,359 Speaker 1: But I think this is the question that will guide 32 00:01:26,439 --> 00:01:30,280 us throughout this entire Celtics process. Grant is how aggressive 33 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,000 will they be with the cost cutting post Tatum injury? 34 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,319 Because I think there's some reporting that suggests they were 35 00:01:35,359 --> 00:01:37,680 always gonna cut a ton of money this summer. You 36 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:39,599 and I were always kind of like, why wouldn't you 37 00:01:39,599 --> 00:01:41,480 just suck it up for one more year? Figured out 38 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,480 in twenty twenty six before I throw it to you? 39 00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:47,040 Just as the notes, if they're cutting costs, I'm assuming 40 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,840 it's to not just get out of the second apron, 41 00:01:48,879 --> 00:01:50,680 but it's hey, we don't want to pay the tax 42 00:01:50,719 --> 00:01:54,040 next year without Tatum, and that means and now I 43 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,519 want to be clear they haven'tuntil the end of the 44 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,920 season next year to do it. But it means cutting 45 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:02,200 forty million dollars and more than forty million salary, which, grant, 46 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,040 that's a lot of money. 47 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,879 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, thats a lot. 48 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:09,479 Speaker 3: That's a decent amount of money. So the extent to 49 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,199 which they're going to cut costs is really interesting to me, 50 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,199 because let's let's kick this around like because it feels 51 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,759 like there's gonna have to be like a cascading effect, 52 00:02:18,039 --> 00:02:20,599 which is to say, you've got to get that twenty 53 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,879 off to get under the second apron if you would 54 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:25,599 like to aggregate salaries in a subsequent trade, because when 55 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,159 you're over it, you cannot do that. So it's like, okay, 56 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:31,000 how do we get under the First of all, Al 57 00:02:31,039 --> 00:02:33,000 Horford can't be back because then that number just gets 58 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,960 higher that you've got to cut to get some flexibility. 59 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,560 So if it's if Horford is not back, that's one. 60 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,680 So then is it Drew Holiday that gets moved and 61 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,520 somehow you don't take back enough to stay over the 62 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,879 second apron? I mean, good luck. I guess that means 63 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,840 you're involving Brooklyn or a third team or some other 64 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:53,039 I don't know, Memphis. 65 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: Has a little. Yeah, there's probably some large trade exceptions out. 66 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: There, but yeah, but do you see what I'm getting 67 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,439 at where it's like there doesn't seem like there's a 68 00:03:01,479 --> 00:03:04,520 great half measure here where it's like to get into 69 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:07,639 a spot where you can do like non insane, ridiculous 70 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:10,960 implausible trades. You've got to cut enough to get under 71 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,120 the second apron, and then it's like, oh, we can 72 00:03:13,159 --> 00:03:16,080 do Houser with Porzingis for some you know what I mean, Like, 73 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,840 there's there's ways to get there, but it's like you can't. 74 00:03:20,479 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: It's hard. 75 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,199 Speaker 3: I struggle to see the way where they peel off 76 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,719 like one or two and then they stay put. It's 77 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,240 just it feels like once you start cutting costs, it 78 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,039 could just be like, oh, we're just chainsawing this thing. 79 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:33,479 It's there's no scalpel here. 80 00:03:33,719 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: And I think what's interesting about that is at first 81 00:03:37,719 --> 00:03:39,240 I was just looking through this as well. 82 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,599 Speaker 2: You make it. Porzingis is the expiring contract. 83 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,319 Speaker 1: Figure out a way to get rid of him, for sure, 84 00:03:43,919 --> 00:03:46,639 maybe Drew Holliday, but then it's Tatum's gonna be back 85 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,800 in twenty six, twenty seven. You want to hold on 86 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,879 to Jayleen Brown and Derek White, I think objectively from 87 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:55,199 a basketball perspective, yes, But I wasn't looking like this 88 00:03:55,319 --> 00:03:57,400 might be a two year gap for them, right because 89 00:03:57,439 --> 00:03:59,879 Tatum has to come back from an Achilles' in jury? 90 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,879 What does he look like r the following season, so 91 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,439 you can't You're not going to just go balls to 92 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:08,560 the wall to flesh out your roster again before seeing him, right, 93 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,560 You're gonna want to see what he looks like and 94 00:04:10,599 --> 00:04:13,560 whether you need a player who's better than. 95 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: Him anymore, And like just the age factor, like holiday 96 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,160 will have a holiday, has age passed his prime? And 97 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:22,079 like he's not gonna be anywhere close to that in 98 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:25,160 two full years. Derek White's thirty one, I think, or 99 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:28,079 turns thirty one soon, So you're talking about two years 100 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,800 of age on Derek White on top of that, And 101 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:34,800 like I just I mean, I know it's like sensational, 102 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,839 but and I've seen this written in other places and 103 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:41,360 it's like I feel like it's too much. But it's like, 104 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:44,399 isn't the cold hearted move to just trade Jalen Brown? 105 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,680 Like isn't that the one? Because there's all the money, 106 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,240 there's how you get something back. That's not because when 107 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,079 we get into Porzingis trades, for example, it's like you're 108 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,879 getting back slightly less expiring money hopefully. Like I don't 109 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,160 you know, but if you want to prepare yourself for 110 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,160 Jason Tatum, if and when he's back, and if and 111 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:06,680 when he's close to what he was, I think Brown 112 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:10,399 is the only guy that's gonna get you enough pieces 113 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:13,120 to where it's like, oh, we can't actually rebuild a 114 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,680 roster around him, Whereas like if it's Holiday and Porzingis 115 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,680 and White, it's just I don't think you're getting enough 116 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:23,600 back to do more than just get cheaper. Like you'll 117 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,399 get cheaper, but you're not gonna have the tools to 118 00:05:26,519 --> 00:05:27,920 really like get back into it. 119 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: But here's where that because. 120 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:31,639 Speaker 1: I agree, but that here's the flip side of that coin, though, 121 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,839 is what if Jason Tatum comes back and is more 122 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,279 like a top twenty five or thirty player than top 123 00:05:36,319 --> 00:05:40,079 five or ten, you almost need Jaalen Brown more because 124 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,279 those resources you get for Jalen Brown, are they gonna 125 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,399 give you the tools to get that player? 126 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:46,519 Speaker 2: Are enough enough step to offset that? 127 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 3: I would say they they probably can't get you a 128 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,240 player as good as Jalen Brown, but they can get 129 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,839 you a lot of players that maybe get you close 130 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,399 in the aggregate and don't make Jalen Brown's salary. Like 131 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,600 I think that's the factor too, where it's like it's 132 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,160 not gonna get the rules unless we have another like 133 00:06:04,199 --> 00:06:06,680 an impromptu lockout and the CBA gets changed, like the 134 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,160 second Apron stuff is still gonna be there. Tatum's gonna 135 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,040 be making a shit ton in two years and Brown 136 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,240 will also be doing that. And like, I don't know, 137 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,839 I don't think Brown is gonna be worth that, like 138 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,519 objectively at so, I don't know it, Like they're not 139 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,279 gonna do it. They're not gonna treade. I don't think 140 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:25,879 they'll do it. I'm just like, if I had no 141 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:27,680 skin in the game, I think I would look really 142 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,439 hard at moving Brown because just I'm gonna get stuff 143 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,639 at least is there a team. 144 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: That you think realistic team? 145 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: We know Oklahoma City could make any team think about anything, 146 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,519 But is there a team that could make them think 147 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,160 come in with an offer? And the one that I so, 148 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:44,040 there's the Philly be interesting because they're apparently willing to 149 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:46,120 move the number three pick. But like you also that 150 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,000 need to compensate a team and take on Paul George. 151 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,439 You're not losing, You're not trading Jalen Brown the only 152 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,720 saving seven million dollars or whatever. That's not like you're 153 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,920 not doing that, would like san Antonio with the number 154 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,560 two pick instead of like Gianness. Look at Jalen Brown's 155 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,759 a little bit younger, right, and there's not as not 156 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,519 that there's redundancy between uh Wemby and Giannis, but it's 157 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:08,120 all right, Like you're kind of spreading it out. We 158 00:07:08,199 --> 00:07:10,920 have darn one three five when you're building a Big 159 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,839 three type deal, and like. 160 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:15,519 Speaker 3: If it's not Castle like you do, if it's Giannis 161 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,279 and Castle and Fox, like you've got a pretty if 162 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,120 he's shooting, you know situation. Brown does not create that 163 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,160 same problem. I was actually thinking Houston could could put 164 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,319 something on the table. 165 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: The player where it's like the Spurs, okay you get 166 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:28,560 that pick. 167 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like with Houston it's Jabari Smith on the Celtics 168 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,040 would make a lot of anyone from the Rockets you 169 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:35,360 plug them in there would make a lot of sense. 170 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,519 Speaker 3: And what do they have ten or something like did 171 00:07:37,519 --> 00:07:38,480 they get the I. 172 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:39,439 Speaker 2: Forget number ten? 173 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:40,279 Speaker 3: Yeah? 174 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:42,519 Speaker 1: Like I don't know the problem with them though, is 175 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:44,199 is like you need to still get a third team 176 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,720 if you're going to save a bunch of money. 177 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's that's gonna be a problem across the 178 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,560 board with the Celtics trades. 179 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,879 Speaker 2: That's why I think this would still be semi nuclear. 180 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,600 But you mentioned his age, wouldn't. 181 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: More of the middle ground be trading Derek White would 182 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:57,920 be a trade where no, it's not gonna get you 183 00:07:57,959 --> 00:07:59,439 one to the tax by itself, he doesn't make that 184 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:02,360 much money, but you're gonna get picks and a ton 185 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:04,519 of cap relief, and then maybe as part of it, 186 00:08:04,519 --> 00:08:06,560 you're also able to move a Porzingis and or Drew 187 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,759 Holiday because that feels like the player that balances. You 188 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,120 could get the haul right, and it's just it's not Yes, 189 00:08:14,199 --> 00:08:16,160 it would hurt, but like you said, he's gonna be 190 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:18,959 thirty two thirty three in two years when Jason Tatum 191 00:08:19,439 --> 00:08:22,959 is ready to go. That feels like I'm not saying 192 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:24,439 it has to be the move, but if they were 193 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:27,839 looking for, I guess a shake up that's gonna accomplish 194 00:08:27,879 --> 00:08:30,480 a bunch of different things for them, that feels like 195 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:31,240 the move. 196 00:08:31,079 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 3: Then yeah, I think that's right. I think that that's 197 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,960 your like semi aggressive, but it's like it's their middle 198 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,240 ground move between trading Brown and then just dumping holiday 199 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,600 or or porzingis so one of the things I kept 200 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,960 running up against. And we're going very off script. I 201 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,639 know there's a few more bullets to get through here, 202 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,200 but like do you do you how do you get 203 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,519 around the idea that what Boston wants to do is 204 00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:59,840 get cheaper in twenty five twenty six and the way 205 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:03,399 that the league looks with cap space right now, Like 206 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:06,440 you there's just nowhere to dump money other than Brooklyn. 207 00:09:06,759 --> 00:09:09,840 Like you can trim, but you're taking back salary from 208 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:13,360 basically everybody else. And all you can do is make 209 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,480 the trade work at like the extreme parameters of like 210 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:18,960 how much matching money you can you know what I mean? 211 00:09:19,039 --> 00:09:21,799 Like there's it's a huge problem in trying to put 212 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,879 trades together because there's always money coming back to Boston, 213 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:27,200 and it's like that the whole point is to like 214 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,639 get cheaper. How do we how do we navigate that? 215 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,759 Speaker 1: It takes a multitude of teams or deals. It's I 216 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:35,240 kind of lay out one scenario for you. I was 217 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,200 gonna propose this to you as a hypothetical. Yeah, and 218 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,480 I know you have some presingius deals. Would Dallas trade PJ. Washington, 219 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,480 Daniel Gafford, and Dwight Powell to Boston for Drew Holliday? 220 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,879 And if they would, you said, Dwight Powell to Brooklyn's 221 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:50,960 that neither Dallas or Boston are taking in more money 222 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,360 than they receive. And I'm assuming they would just take 223 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,559 Dwight Powle's a four million dollar player option and then 224 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,559 Boston okay in theory like oh PG Washington to soak 225 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,279 up some tape minutes, and then you have Gaffer with 226 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:02,159 Horford going out. 227 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: Now you have options. 228 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,919 Speaker 1: It's can we still dump Porzingis or those are players 229 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:10,679 because you've broken now Drew Hottay up into two smaller salaries. 230 00:10:10,759 --> 00:10:11,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, that you can then trade it. 231 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:13,919 Speaker 1: It gets easier to trade them into exceptions because there 232 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,559 are some teams that have larger trade exceptions are far 233 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:18,559 enough beneath the tax where you can make something work. 234 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:21,200 But to me, I look at it as like it's 235 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,440 not even just about I think they're probably gonna need 236 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,200 to move two players at least from their like core, 237 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,519 but it's also just like it's not going to be 238 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,320 just two moves and if it is, oh, that was 239 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:31,799 an eight team trade that we just. 240 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 3: Like, so are you thinking, like, let's say the Gafford 241 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,039 Washington deal goes down in the off season and then 242 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:40,480 you are hoping to flip them at the deadline to 243 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,039 cause you know, you still if as long as you're 244 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,960 under whatever apron or tax line you're trying to get 245 00:10:46,039 --> 00:10:47,399 under by the end of the season, you're good. So 246 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,360 like you do not have to get all this savings 247 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:52,960 done before the season starts. I know most people listening 248 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,799 to this are aware of that, but it's like, just 249 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:57,480 you're trying to find like any flexibility we can and 250 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,759 swing all these deals. You're so you're thinking, let's just 251 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,519 break up some of these bigger deals into smaller ones 252 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,159 and those are just easier to move in subsequent trades, right, 253 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:09,240 That's the way you do it. 254 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: In two with a Gafford in PJ Washington is they 255 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:14,080 are expiring, so that's kind of the benefit. But it's 256 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,279 also well, you can't move them after the season is 257 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,360 over because they're technically free agents. So but yeah, that 258 00:11:19,399 --> 00:11:22,639 would that would be unless it's just I mean, like 259 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:25,960 would Brooklyn just like is Brooklyn taking anyone. I don't 260 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,600 know what Porzingius trade was Brooklyn taking Yeah Jaalen Brown, 261 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:30,320 Sure they would take him into cap space, but that's 262 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,240 not I would be shocked if that's the move that 263 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:36,639 Boston's looking to do. Like, short of that, it has 264 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,200 to take at least like if you're trying to duck 265 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,440 the tax, Like think about it this way. If you're 266 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,399 trying to duck the tax with Porzingis and Drew Holliday, 267 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:47,240 I think they make about like sixty two million combined 268 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,440 or whatever it is, you can only take back like 269 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,879 twenty to twenty two million dollars in salary basically, and 270 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:55,480 even that might still recr like, oh, we gotta move 271 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:56,919 Sam Howsard because we got felt the rest of the 272 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:57,879 roster and will still. 273 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:58,799 Speaker 2: Be into the tax or something. 274 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:00,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you're fine bing a little bit into the tax, 275 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,360 but like that's like you can't trade one player. You 276 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:06,440 can trade one player and maybe figure out a way 277 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,759 to No, you can't, Like you're twenty million into the 278 00:12:08,799 --> 00:12:10,559 second Apron, so it'd. 279 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:13,039 Speaker 2: Be really hard to move one player and get out 280 00:12:13,039 --> 00:12:13,480 of the second. 281 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: You could do it, I'm sure it was Derek White, 282 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:16,720 Like you could figure out a way to do it, 283 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:20,120 but like you're by extension. Though if you're doing that, 284 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,960 you're hurting your return on that player because part of 285 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,000 the value going out is this team's saving us a 286 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,360 bunch of money. And then it's also narrowing your focus 287 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,440 because there are only so many teams that can do. 288 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:36,039 Speaker 3: That, and not only that, who's who's rushing to help 289 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,120 Boston out of this predicament. It's it's like there's there's 290 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,399 few people, there's few teams out there that can really 291 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,639 be facilitators anyway. But it's like if you're the rest 292 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,240 of the league, you know Boston like you like it's 293 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:50,080 almost like Boston's being like held hostage because it's like 294 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,240 ownership is gonna have to foot this bill if if 295 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:55,679 this five hundred million dollars payroll and tax thing, like 296 00:12:55,919 --> 00:12:58,440 other teams can squeeze, like Boston doesn't have a lot 297 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,759 to sweeten stuff with. Teams can just be really irrational 298 00:13:02,039 --> 00:13:05,240 and unreasonable and just like predatory and what it's gonna 299 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:07,679 cost you in other assets to get off some of 300 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:09,679 this money. If they really want to be like dicks 301 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:10,039 about it. 302 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,399 Speaker 2: Do you, especially if it's we're trying to get off 303 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,360 all of this money. 304 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 3: Quote it you don't need to help these guys out. 305 00:13:16,039 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: Do I want to actually get to your trades? But 306 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,159 do you think now Boston can trade up to two 307 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,799 first rounders? They have the number twenty eight pick in 308 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,879 this year's draft, and then they can only trade twenty 309 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,720 twenty six or two and twenty seven because a weird 310 00:13:28,919 --> 00:13:30,720 because they're twenty thirty two pick is frozen. 311 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: So like now you get into you could you have 312 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:33,639 some swaps? 313 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,519 Speaker 1: Do you think that any of their players, if they 314 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,879 were trying to move them right now, would require a 315 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,120 sweetener to move like and I look at Drew Holliday 316 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,720 as the example. Even though I think that he is 317 00:13:44,879 --> 00:13:48,480 better than Christaps porzingis right now, his contract is just longer. Yeah, 318 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:50,960 do you think that like the Dallas deal I proposed, 319 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:53,519 I think that could be something Dallas easily talks itself 320 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,320 out of. But you could also say, well, Gafford is 321 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:00,279 superfluous when we have and even PJ. Washington with Cooper 322 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,320 flag there and Nausey Moore like, but are they even 323 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,600 doing that? Like those two guys are expiring contracts, so 324 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:08,159 it's low stakes. But you look at you Holiday's money 325 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:10,159 with what you're gonna have to pay Anthony Davis and 326 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,240 Kyrie Irving moving forward. So do you view any of 327 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,840 these players and I think it really comes down to 328 00:14:14,879 --> 00:14:17,639 Porzingis or Drew Holliday to where it's you have to 329 00:14:17,799 --> 00:14:20,879 include if you're looking not even for a straight dump, 330 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,799 but to save money, like it's going to require you 331 00:14:23,879 --> 00:14:25,080 to attach an asset to that. 332 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,639 Speaker 3: Well, So let's use the Holiday to Dallas thing as 333 00:14:27,679 --> 00:14:30,159 an example. I think normally Dallas would be like, we're 334 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,720 spending this money on three players. Anyway, Holiday is better 335 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:36,000 in the aggregate. Maybe that's true. I think that's true. 336 00:14:36,039 --> 00:14:38,120 But like Washington and Gafford are both starters. They were 337 00:14:38,159 --> 00:14:40,320 in the finals as starters, like not that long ago. 338 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: Following them winning the Cooper Flag pick. I absolutely would 339 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:44,960 make that trade if I was Dallas. Now, if they 340 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,960 didn't have Cooper Flag, it's a I think PJ. Washington 341 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:50,399 becomes like way more valuable than Yeah. 342 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,159 Speaker 3: So but yeah, no, I just I was. I think 343 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,840 like normally you just say, yeah, we'd rather have Drew 344 00:14:55,879 --> 00:14:58,159 Holliday for a thirty three million or whatever it is 345 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:01,799 than these other guys. But because it's Boston and because 346 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,960 as Dallas or whoever you want to insert into this 347 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,840 hypothetical knows Boston's got to move this. You're gonna be like, 348 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:10,480 we're gonna need a pick and and if you like, 349 00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:12,759 I think, I think you hardball it and I think 350 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:15,279 you probably have success because the Celtics have to get 351 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,320 out of this. Porzingis is a weird case because he's expiring, 352 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,000 but but like. 353 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,919 Speaker 1: And he's an anomaly still if he's anywhere near healthy, like, 354 00:15:25,039 --> 00:15:26,759 he's still just an anomaly at the position. 355 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:28,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what to do with him. I'm 356 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:30,720 gonna give you a bunch of fake on it. 357 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:32,919 Speaker 2: Would Brooklyn do something like this? This? I think this 358 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:33,919 just maximizes. 359 00:15:34,039 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: Like if Boston said, hey, here's the number twenty eight 360 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,440 pick and Drew Holliday, would Brooklyn just do that? Because 361 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,559 Boston's saving like thirty five million when you factor in 362 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:46,879 the maybe a little bit less because of then roster charges. 363 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:49,200 But that's like thirty five million dollars in money. 364 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,519 Speaker 2: Is that enough? Where's Brooklyn? Like, No, what's. 365 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,679 Speaker 3: Brooklyn's sending back? Nothing? 366 00:15:53,879 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: Basically, it's their cap space that they're taking them. By 367 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,159 the way, Brooklyn already has like a bunch of first 368 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,600 round picks in this draft. But I'm just wondering, like, 369 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,759 is that even enough to do that? 370 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:06,639 Speaker 3: I mean, cause it will cause if you're well, I 371 00:16:06,679 --> 00:16:09,159 guess if you're Brooklyn. It just depends on like, can 372 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,720 we turn holiday into more positive value? If so, we 373 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:13,720 should just do this. We'll just take the free pick 374 00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:17,039 and then flip them for whatever. But if that were well, 375 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:18,919 I was gonna say, well, if that were true, then 376 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:20,679 the Celtics would just trade them somewhere else. But it's 377 00:16:20,679 --> 00:16:22,240 like they can't for all the reasons we just talked 378 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,799 about it. It has to be Brooklyn. So yeah, that's 379 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,200 really interesting. I would do that if I were the 380 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:30,879 Nets and just bank on holiday like being movable for 381 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:31,600 more value. 382 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be very like Sam Presty of them to 383 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:36,480 do something like that, it feels like. But I also 384 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:38,639 just like, you run up until okay, that extension is 385 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:39,279 now beginning. 386 00:16:39,879 --> 00:16:42,399 Speaker 2: That that makes it weird. I would say so. 387 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: I think they honestly, I think they'd be more likely 388 00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:46,480 to do it if you said, here's number twenty eight 389 00:16:46,519 --> 00:16:49,240 and porzingis because of the expiring thing. 390 00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just wild to be talking about the Celtics 391 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,840 trading guys with a pick for nothing, like, that's that's 392 00:16:55,879 --> 00:16:56,399 where we're at. 393 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: And we would have been like, had these reports say 394 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,000 Jayson Tatum never gets hurt and say thee the clues anyway, 395 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,200 you and I would have been like lampooning against this 396 00:17:05,279 --> 00:17:07,079 idea because now reporting saying, oh, they were always going 397 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,880 to do like something kind of yes, and we would 398 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,000 have been that's dumb. 399 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:12,039 Speaker 2: But now it's like, yeah, like we get it. 400 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean what I would say is how to 401 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:19,519 phrase this delicately, I it's it sucks that Jason Tatum 402 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:22,599 got hurt. It's bad across the board. I do think 403 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:26,200 if Boston had just lost, you know, and Tatum were healthy, 404 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:29,079 teams would be even less inclined to help them get 405 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:30,920 out of this mess. But I do think a lot 406 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,640 of teams around the league are looking at the Celtics 407 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,680 as like, well, they're not contending again, so we don't 408 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,200 need to be as like difficult to deal with. We can't. 409 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:41,960 We're a little more likely to be helpful as opposed 410 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,880 to like, why would we help a team that's trying 411 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,240 to win a title again? Just like you know, get 412 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,960 a little flexibility. 413 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:52,599 Speaker 1: Worse though, So it's like it might matter more if 414 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,720 you're a lot like, so the nets perspectively, well, we're 415 00:17:54,759 --> 00:17:56,359 making them worse. Are they going to be someone who 416 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,000 were competing against them the lottery? Like if that's something 417 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:00,119 teams will think about. 418 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:05,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, all right, So again I'll just 419 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,599 throw them. I'm gonna I can rapid fire them to 420 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,559 you and you can just react. So again, this is 421 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,119 Christaps Porzingis to the Detroit Pistons. Are you intrigued yet 422 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,960 or a little bit? And all they're giving back are 423 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,319 Simoni Fontachio and Marcus Sasser. And that's assuming that the 424 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,839 Pistons basically don't bring back a bunch of their own 425 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,599 guys renounced rights and they have like twenty six ish 426 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,319 million in cap space. So you just have Porzingis and 427 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,119 all it costs you is Fontechio and sassar I. 428 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: But it costs it also cost you Moleague Beasley. 429 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 3: It does and like maybe Tim Hardaway Junior. 430 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: I don't think they should resigned Tim Hardaway Junior. And 431 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:42,680 there they're probably help. 432 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,599 Speaker 2: He might be back on the minimum. But like, okay, 433 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,240 but then you have Porzingis, Stuart and Duran, right. 434 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 3: You're moving Stewart probably or you're just like Duran. 435 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 2: We're not. 436 00:18:54,759 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 3: I mean, like I'm intrigued by Duran porzingis front Lines 437 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:58,720 just for fun? 438 00:18:59,000 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: Uh? 439 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 3: But yes, Stewart probably is gone and you could trade 440 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:03,279 him for value. 441 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:06,519 Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, if you were gonna then trade Stewart for 442 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,720 value and Mike still maintain act well, because you could 443 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,119 know because if you're using cap space campaign over the 444 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,960 cap team, you're only gonna have the room exception at 445 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:16,359 that point. 446 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 2: That feels such like a weird thing to say. 447 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: I think it's if you had, if you were able 448 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,880 to preserve like the room necessary too, Like I would 449 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,359 prefer to, can we find a third team, trade Isia 450 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,720 Stewart into an exception, operate over the cap, and resign Beasley, 451 00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:33,079 Then I'm definitely I might consist. 452 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,559 Speaker 3: That's because you're more creative about trades than I am. Okay, 453 00:19:35,599 --> 00:19:40,799 next one trading porzingis the number twenty eight pick in 454 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,519 this draft. I believe the Celtics also have number thirty 455 00:19:43,559 --> 00:19:47,039 two and the twenty eight first round pick protected two 456 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,720 to fourteen. That's the Spurs pick. They have a Spurs 457 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:52,680 pick coming in from the Derek White trade. 458 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,039 Speaker 2: I think if I have that right, Oh, they have 459 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:56,480 one going out. Oh. 460 00:19:56,599 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 3: If that's the case, then this is all fucked. I'm 461 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,839 not gonna look it up. So you get Porzingis twenty 462 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,799 eight thirty two coming back from the Bulls is Nicola Vucevic, 463 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,799 who is also expiring. But it makes like two thirds 464 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:12,000 of what Porzingis does Dale and Terry and number twelve. 465 00:20:12,599 --> 00:20:15,160 This falls apart entirely if I had it wrong on 466 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,599 that Spurs pick, which maybe I do. 467 00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:20,759 Speaker 1: So you're so they're sending what are they sending into 468 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,839 like Boston? Oh, is a first round pick to San 469 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,400 Antonio in twenty twenty eight? 470 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: It's a swap. Oh, that's what it is. 471 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 3: It's a swap. So could you trade some portion and 472 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:32,039 make it like the worst of the worst of the worst? Yeah, okay, 473 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:32,559 let's do that. 474 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:35,599 Speaker 2: I do that if I'm Boston. How much money are 475 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:36,759 they saving as part of that deal? 476 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 3: Uh, well, it's only like six I think it's like 477 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,200 six million. But then you're also cutting off whatever that 478 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,319 is times whatever for the tax. But you're also like, 479 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,920 you're nope, not coming anywhere near getting under the second apron. 480 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,119 You're gonna have to do something else to get under 481 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,160 the second apron. And so wait, I'm sorry it was 482 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,799 porzingis porzingis twenty eight two and a portion of that swap. 483 00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:05,599 But you're getting back vooch Dale and Terry and number twelve. 484 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,839 Speaker 2: In this time. I would pounce on off. If the 485 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,160 Bulls do that, I feel like, do the Bulls do 486 00:21:10,279 --> 00:21:11,319 that giving up twelve? 487 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: I don't think so, So that you're there would be 488 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:17,400 valuing porzingis a bunch, yeah, which the theory. 489 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,319 Speaker 3: Would be, if you're gonna pay Josh Giddy a bunch 490 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:21,960 of money and you're giving modest Bizillis a bigger offensive role, 491 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,079 it might be nice to have like a higher volume 492 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,000 spacer and someone who could defend the room. If Giddy 493 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,160 is also a part of your like big time rotation 494 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:31,319 going forward, I don't know. We'll see. 495 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 2: I can tell you that was definitely interesting for Boston. 496 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,359 I like that for Boston. 497 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,319 Speaker 3: I was trying to think of one where Boston like 498 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,200 actually gets something. The twelve pick was the best I 499 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,720 could do. Uh, Chris HAPs porzingis to the Warriors for 500 00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:46,680 Moses Moody, Buddy Heel, Trace Jackson Davis, and Gie Santos. 501 00:21:46,759 --> 00:21:50,440 Nothing else, just four dudes. Celtics get like two shooters 502 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,880 that maybe offset the additional loss of white or holiday 503 00:21:54,319 --> 00:21:58,359 down the line, Warriors get Porzingis is expiring, Celtics say 504 00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:00,680 very little, but these are again you've broken this up 505 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,960 into chunks that you can be traded into exceptions. 506 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: I actually like that for the Celtics more than I 507 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,000 do the Warriors, because we know what the next steps 508 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,079 are for Boston and with the Golden State. It's all right, 509 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,039 like now you've obliterated some depth. 510 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 2: For Porzingis makes a lot of sense. But is he also. 511 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,039 Speaker 1: Intuitively, is he a player that would normally like that 512 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,400 you would view as a Warriors player if he's healthy. 513 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: I mean, DeMarcus Cousins was the Warriors player once Dan. 514 00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:30,480 Anything's possible, everybody can be a Warrior. Yeah. Also he's 515 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,400 getting in the way of Quentin Post, who I excluded 516 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,240 from this deal on purpose. Uh it's just you know, uh, okay, 517 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,960 how about this? Uh Porzingis and Peyton Pritchard, so we're aggregating. 518 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,440 So this presumes that the Celtics did something else to 519 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,559 get under the second apron. So just file put that, 520 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,480 put that one in your brain. Uh kp and Pritchard 521 00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:54,480 to the Pelicans for Kelly Linok and Herb Jones ooh. 522 00:22:56,759 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: Wow, that's interesting. I ultimately don't think New Orleans would 523 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,200 do it. I agree that if you if Porzingis is healthy, 524 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,359 that's where putting him next to Zion Wow? 525 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, that then you get a one year trial with it, 526 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,759 and like, I don't know, you got Trey Murphy. 527 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: Uh, I mean, herb have a lot of shooting now 528 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:16,920 with Pritchard and Murphy and Richard Helps. 529 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: Pritchard's not nothing. But but this presumes that the Celtics 530 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,759 have already gotten under the second apron before they do 531 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,279 this deal. 532 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,599 Speaker 1: So can I throw like a hypothetical trade at you, Like, 533 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,000 if you're Brooklyn, would you take whether it's number thirty 534 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,799 two or not, whatever, it takes number twenty eight plus 535 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,240 Porzingis plus Sam Hauser, and then I think Boston's like 536 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,880 basically out of the tax at that point, Like Brooklyn's 537 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,559 cap space is basically gone. Is that enough for Brooklyn 538 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:44,720 to say, like, there goes our cap space, but we 539 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:47,839 have an extra first round pick and Sam Houser's shooting, 540 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,240 like could stay there for a little bit, and Porzingis 541 00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:52,319 is you could play him in Claxon together. I guess 542 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:53,720 if we really want it to. Maybe you think you 543 00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:56,039 could flip him for value with the deadline if he's healthy. 544 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: That's where That's what I'm fixating on is like does 545 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,680 Porzingis as expiring have more flippable value than Holiday with 546 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:06,720 his years and dollars? Like, I don't know, Like it 547 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:09,880 depends on probably not, probably not be its Like there's 548 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,359 a scenario where Holiday does get you real assets back, 549 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,000 but like everyone bringing Porzingis on at the deadline would 550 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,880 be like, well, this is a rental and he might 551 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,640 just not be healthy for the playoffs like that that 552 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:22,720 feels scary. So but Brooklyn gets twenty eight and thirty 553 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:25,640 two basically for vaporizing their cap space and. 554 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,519 Speaker 1: They also have twenty six and twenty seven and nineteen 555 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:30,920 and number eight. 556 00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that seems like a lot of PICKSTN. 557 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:36,039 Speaker 1: So can I throw Derek White trade at you? We 558 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,599 talked about it on the Warriors look Ahead. I don't 559 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:39,839 want to throw it on the Celtish bunks. And now 560 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,440 I actually mapped out a framework for it. 561 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,759 Speaker 3: Okay, Now, what this is. 562 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: What's contingent on this, aside from Boston looking at moving 563 00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:50,160 Derek White, would be that the Nets have to have 564 00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:54,519 interest in Jonathan Kaminga and believe that the Warriors will 565 00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:56,519 match it off for sheet because they don't need to 566 00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:58,240 do anything to get Jonathan Kaminga. 567 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: Okay, so we're in. We're go ahead. 568 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: So Brooklyn is sending number twenty seven to Boston. The 569 00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:09,920 Warriors are sending their first round picks in twenty six, 570 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,240 twenty eight, and twenty thirty to Boston, and they are 571 00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:18,720 double signed in trading Jonathan Kaminga, and then Brooklyn can 572 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:21,799 take its pick between Kevon Looney and Gary Payton the 573 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:24,440 second So the latter two years can be no guaranteed, 574 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,920 they'd function as expirings, but with base year compensation, they 575 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,920 should still be able to match the Derek White money 576 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,440 for the Warriors. 577 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: And then Derek White goes to the Warriors. 578 00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:35,559 Speaker 1: So as a quick synopsis, Brooklyn is giving up number 579 00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:39,720 twenty eight to get Jonathan Kaminga basically, and then Boston 580 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,359 is getting four first round picks, not taking back any 581 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,039 money in this scenario, and then Golden State is getting 582 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,519 Derek White for three first round picks, Jonathan Kaminga and 583 00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:53,680 then a sign and trade with GP two or Kevon Looney. Now, 584 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,759 if we want to throw at alternatives, you could just 585 00:25:55,839 --> 00:25:58,559 include Moses Moody instead of doing this double sign and trade. 586 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want so the sign up trade thing, you 587 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,640 get hard capped at the first apron, right if you so, 588 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:05,559 you've got it here. 589 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,319 Speaker 2: Only if you're acquiring, Okay, but the Warriors. 590 00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:11,839 Speaker 1: You want the base your compensation to work out so 591 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,039 that the Warriors are taking in less money than they're 592 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:15,880 sending out because then are not hard capped at the 593 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:16,480 first apron. 594 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, if you know Kaminga's gone and 595 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,160 like there's just not a number, the number doesn't matter 596 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,640 as Golden State, like we just this has run its course. 597 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,720 Then like giving up three firsts, one of which will 598 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,200 be in twenty six, which, if things go well, will 599 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,759 be in the late twenties for for White, I think 600 00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:40,119 that's that's a pretty reasonable future mortgaging because twenty eight 601 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,079 and thirty is gonna be rough because you're gonna lose 602 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:44,839 all your vets. So you just maybe have to eat 603 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,240 that one. But I think to make a run at 604 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:50,599 it one more time, or one or two more times, 605 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:53,000 you might be willing to pay that as Golden State. 606 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:56,200 And then the Celtics come out smelling like a rose 607 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,000 because there's just a bunch of picks and they say 608 00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:00,000 they got off money without any coming back. 609 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 2: That's now the. 610 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,039 Speaker 1: Curve balls would be, what if Brooklyn says we're not 611 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,079 including number twenty eight? Would Boston still do it just 612 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,039 for the three first round picks and ros savings? 613 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 3: I think you'd have to, don't you think, like, because 614 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,759 now you've got other sweet numbers. 615 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,599 Speaker 1: If number twenty eight, it's like the deal breaker. The 616 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,799 Warriors need to like figure something out the right If 617 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:22,799 that's the deal breaker. The other thing would be, now, 618 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,480 what if Boston says they want this player or the 619 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:27,400 Nets say they want this Like if it has to 620 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,440 be Moses Moody, you can't double sign and trade it. 621 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: So it's the question, would I include Moody in that deal? 622 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,279 If I'm Golden State. 623 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's like pushed like Boston or Brooklyn even 624 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,960 says that they have to be involved. 625 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 3: That gets a little harder. But I think you probably. 626 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,240 I just think Derek White is such a like a 627 00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:49,359 winning player and would matter so much specifically to the Warriors. 628 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,240 I think I still do that if I'm Golden State. 629 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,599 Speaker 1: You imagine a starting five of Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green, 630 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:56,839 pajem Ski White, and Steph Curry. 631 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,039 Speaker 3: That's like the highest collective basketball like you, well, the 632 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,200 Nuggets have the highest collective best ball at you because 633 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,400 they have Jokic, But like that's that's way up there. 634 00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:06,880 That would be pretty good. 635 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,559 Speaker 1: It just if the Nets at all have interest in 636 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,400 like a two year deal with John like maybe a 637 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,559 two plus one with Johnathan Kamena. I don't think that's 638 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,519 like a imbalanced offer for anyone. 639 00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and really too, like the Celtics getting picks 640 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:25,720 like one that softens the blow of like a couple 641 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,400 of years from now when you have Tatum and like 642 00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:30,680 I don't know what else, but it's also another means 643 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:32,640 to help you get off some of this other money, 644 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,640 like if you do come to wanting to trade, like 645 00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:38,119 Jalen Brown's probably don't know if he's I guess he's 646 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,839 positive value, but it's like there may come a point 647 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,720 where we flip on him and it's like you're talking 648 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:45,920 about him like you would Paul George or like not Beal, 649 00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:48,599 but like something more like that. Just having those picks, 650 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,279 even if like maybe to move Porzingis it might take 651 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,920 a pick or maybe to move whoever Baday might. 652 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,079 Speaker 1: Take that or now it gets easier after Derek White 653 00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:57,279 would do you know what he's on the books for 654 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,720 next season. It's like thirty million or gets up into 655 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,160 the third. Now, yeah, so you get and you are 656 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,039 taking back a pick with money. So he's at thirty 657 00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,480 point three. It's like you're probably you're saving. Like let's 658 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:09,519 just round down and say twenty six twenty seven million 659 00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:11,799 dollars off rip. Then it makes it easier to Okay, 660 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:14,720 we could take back money in a porzingis or holiday 661 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,000 trade and still duck the tax. So and like you said, 662 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:20,519 you replenish the cupboard of picks, like those are gonna 663 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:23,039 be cost controlled. You're getting another pick this year, and 664 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:24,720 then you're getting a pick in two thousand. Yeah, they're 665 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,839 low picks, but those are just you try to slide 666 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,000 those turn you know, let's say you try to turn 667 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:30,839 one of or two of the four picks you have 668 00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:33,839 in twenty seven, twenty eight, thirty two, and then that 669 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,000 Warrior's twenty six pick into just a rotation player or 670 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:38,319 two on a cost controlled deal. 671 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:38,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. 672 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: So I don't know like it would just because Derek 673 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,839 White's been so good in Boston. I just at this rate, 674 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,599 because this feels like a two year gap. I think 675 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,839 if you're Boston, you'd have to if that was available. 676 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,759 And I think the biggest if honestly more so than 677 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:54,759 Boston's side, is like do the nets even watch? 678 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, so much hinges so much of this offseason 679 00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:01,799 hinges on that, and who can say? I also would 680 00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:04,400 say the Sun's taught us that if you get three 681 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,480 first round picks, you actually get nine because you can 682 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,119 just trade each one of them for three shittier firsts 683 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,880 and so you just triple your money. It's it's the 684 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,079 biggest scheme ever. I don't know why the Sons are 685 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:16,599 the only team that ever figured that out. 686 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: Do you do you have any other fake trades to 687 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,319 throw about with the Celtic. 688 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,839 Speaker 3: I had a magic one. So this is porzingis to 689 00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:30,640 Orlando for Wendell Carter junior, who makes freaking nothing going forward, 690 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,319 and Mo Wagner who has a team option for next year. 691 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,119 So the way you've got to pick that up in advance, 692 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,839 and that's saving the Celtics like ten ish million plus 693 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,559 the tax and penalty savings for next year. And then 694 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,160 Wagner comes off and then you have a starting center 695 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,079 in Wendell Carter Junior, who's still like we do the 696 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,839 Jason Tatum jokes, but like Wendell Carter Junior is also 697 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,759 nineteen years old perpetually. Yeah, and he so he got 698 00:30:57,799 --> 00:30:59,720 an extension. I'm pulling it up right now. So next 699 00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:02,839 year year in twenty five, twenty six, he makes ten 700 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,440 point nine million dollars and then he goes up to 701 00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:09,799 eighteen nineteen five and twenty point one in twenty eight 702 00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:11,240 twenty nine, which is a team option. 703 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: So like he actually gets up into the twenty some show. 704 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:17,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, good for him. So, like, I don't know, that's 705 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,119 kind of the middle way where Boston's like, yeah, we're 706 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,799 saving money, but we're also getting a guy in Carter 707 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,279 that like conceivably could just be a starter on the 708 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:26,880 next very good version of this team. 709 00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: And the other thing you could do is, well, how 710 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,559 much is he making next year? Uh? 711 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:31,799 Speaker 3: Ten point nine? 712 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:35,519 Speaker 1: You could just send him into someone's non tax Like 713 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,200 the Warriors would probably give you their two if they, 714 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:40,240 let's say they have the non tax payment level available, 715 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,720 they'd probably just take him into that and give you 716 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:43,400 their twenty. 717 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,119 Speaker 2: Twenty six first round pick for Wendell Carter junior. 718 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 3: I think yeah, and like that. I mean, and the 719 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,160 magic get porzingis he can shoot a very like short 720 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,000 story on that one, but like, yeah, if you're if 721 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:56,960 You're boss, that is that interesting? 722 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: Do you like that one? 723 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: Because I think Boston could turn around and then if 724 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,039 they like if yeah, if you want Wendell Carter is like, 725 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,240 we're gonna try to kind of use him to replace 726 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,359 We're gonna bring back Luke Cornett and then try and 727 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,799 use him to replace like both Al Horford and porzingis 728 00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:11,519 in different ways. Yeah, you do that, and then you 729 00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:14,000 could probably grease the wheels of Mo Wagner set. Like 730 00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:16,160 I think there's a step to just like you save 731 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,319 them ten million dollars a year. I think that could 732 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,759 end up being twenty plus by the end of it 733 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:22,880 when you look at like other I think that's my 734 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,079 favorite one. The only problem is, uh, the magic bring 735 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,880 this to Franz and he's like no, Like you can't 736 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,960 trade you know what. You tell Franz to hit his 737 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,079 three pointers and then you can say, hey, Franz, we're 738 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:36,200 bringing in somebody that can't hit. By the way, it's 739 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,400 like we just gave your brother a free eleven million 740 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,480 dollars because if you're keeping him, why are you picking 741 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:42,599 up that team unless you want it as a trade piece. There, 742 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,240 I didn't want to ask you before we get out 743 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,119 of here with the Celtics, Is there just like any 744 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,279 scenario where they don't go like the nuclear nuclear oute 745 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,759 and they're trying to compete next year and it's we're 746 00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:56,000 gonna duck the second apron, which I mean. 747 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,759 Speaker 2: That's still twenty million dollars, so that is nuclear. But 748 00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,160 is there? 749 00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: So I'll say this, is there any scenario in which 750 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:08,079 three through four of Al Horford, Derek White christopsports against 751 00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,480 Jaalen Brown and Drew Holliday are back? 752 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,519 Speaker 3: So those five guys you named five, where four of 753 00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:15,240 them are back, only one is gone. 754 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's basically what I'm getting at. Yeah, if they 755 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,640 trade Jalen Brown and that one is Jalen Brown, I 756 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,000 think that. 757 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,519 Speaker 3: I think that because otherwise you just you can't really 758 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:29,559 accomplish what you need to accomplish. So yeah, that is 759 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,240 the scenario. Is that a likely sinner? Like? What? Oh, okay, 760 00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:37,599 i'm uh, I'm I'm volleying back to you here. What 761 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:41,319 is the percentage chance that the Celtics trade Jalen Brown 762 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:47,240 before twenty five twenty six higher than it was, right, well, sure, 763 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:50,480 but it's like it's not fifty percent. It seems unlikely. 764 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 2: But is it? 765 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 3: Is it twenty five percent? 766 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 2: Is it? 767 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:56,559 Speaker 3: Is it forty? Is it? Is it? Like two? 768 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,759 Speaker 1: What we need to come up with our own uh? 769 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,640 Dunktown does though? What are the odds we need to 770 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,640 come up with our own version of that. 771 00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say. 772 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: So basically before the start of twenty two they trade 773 00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,320 him this summer, oh this summer before we start nextually, Ah, 774 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,079 I'm gonna say, like. 775 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,559 Speaker 3: Okay, and I think I'd say I would go higher, 776 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,199 but only because I think they're gonna look around at 777 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,159 like they're gonna go the like the less drastic measures first, 778 00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,920 and they'll be like, oh, none of these are gonna work. 779 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, like San Antonio or Houston or even I don't 780 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:33,280 know if you I mean, I guess he'd be a 781 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,960 fit in Okay. See, like if they just came bowling 782 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:41,920 like down with offers. Yeah yeah, Wow, damn that was 783 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:44,639 this tough situ. This is so this is what do 784 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,199 we say all the time though, that these title windows 785 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,760 even when it's we knew there was gonna be changing 786 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,119 in Boston. But it felt like they had an open 787 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,639 ended window, and they've had a longer window than most. 788 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:54,719 This is not an insul to them, but like, there's 789 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,079 always something. There's a trade demand, there's a contract coming up, 790 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,639 there's the second Apron, there's an injury, there's always something 791 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,280 that's just going to change the trajectory of her team 792 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,880 way sooner than it seems like. 793 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 3: Yeap, this title window is shut. Unfortunately, Like, hey. 794 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: Even if they keep jailing Brown, I would hazard that 795 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:17,039 the next time the Celtics window is open of this core, 796 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,079 like maybe a maximum of one of these players is 797 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,079 next to Jason Tatum. 798 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,639 Speaker 3: Still, yep, I think that's right. It's and it sucks. 799 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,239 It sucks. I'm not rooting for it, but I know 800 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,519 I'm glad they got that title. 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