Speaker 1: Round. This is the seventy seven WABC Mini Cast.
Speaker 2: James Golden is thirty with you, Doctor Michelas is with
Speaker 2: US America's Doctor. Thank you so much for rejoining us. Doctor.
Speaker 2: We had a great discussion with you last week, and
Speaker 2: thank you for making yourself available this week. I want
Speaker 2: to continue with where we left off, if that's okay
Speaker 2: with you. How you doing, Doc, I'm.
Speaker 1: Doing great, and it's great to be with the new
Speaker 1: title I have for you as a Radio Educator of
Speaker 1: the Year because you really get I love the way
Speaker 1: you not only make statements, but then you also supply
Speaker 1: the clips right away and people can hear the evidence
Speaker 1: that these things were actually said or done. So I
Speaker 1: really enjoy it, and you always do it with compassion
Speaker 1: and fairness and good humor.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, so you are so kind. Thank you
Speaker 2: this clip, doctor, I have been wanting to ask you
Speaker 2: about this and ever since I heard it, and I
Speaker 2: would like you to explain to all of us, including me,
Speaker 2: what I'm what we are listening to. This was from
Speaker 2: the RFK interview on CNN cut number fourteen. It runs
Speaker 2: about two minutes and change, but it's so important and
Speaker 2: I'd like you to listen to this and explain to
Speaker 2: all of us, Please doctor, what we just heard, what
Speaker 2: we're listening to.
Speaker 3: We're doing all those things and as one of the
Speaker 3: ways we found Thailand all there's seventy three studies out
Speaker 3: there and length Thailand will exposure during later pregnancy and
Speaker 3: during the parinatal period to to I'll just mindset. But
Speaker 3: you are wrong when you say that this issue has
Speaker 3: been studied. It has been studying, and you're rolling your eyes.
Speaker 4: I am because I don't want I don't want to
Speaker 4: have you use our air to say this. There have
Speaker 4: been more than forty studies involving five point six million
Speaker 4: people to conclude there is no link between vaccines and autism.
Speaker 4: This is the head of the Committee of Infectious Diseases
Speaker 4: for the American Academy of People.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what the Institute of Medicine says,
Speaker 3: which is the National Academy of Sciences, which is the
Speaker 3: ultimate arbiter on vaccine safety in which it does not
Speaker 3: have an interest in this debate. It says that none
Speaker 3: of the eight vaccines that are administered during the first
Speaker 3: six months of life have ever been studied for a
Speaker 3: relationship to autism, have found two studies on the D
Speaker 3: vaccine that show that it does cause autism, and one
Speaker 3: on the appatitis B vaccine and again suggests that it
Speaker 3: does cause autism. The Institute of Medicine dismissed those two
Speaker 3: studies because they were based on CDC's database. The studies
Speaker 3: that you're referring to are all from one vaccine in
Speaker 3: the MMR vaccine or one ingredient dirimeraic.
Speaker 4: You are using. You are actually looking at your starting
Speaker 4: new studies to try to link autism, but you're also talenting.
Speaker 3: You trying to link autism to anything. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: find out why is autism?
Speaker 4: Are you also trying to Are you also trying to
Speaker 4: find out how it interacts with people's DNA, what's predisposed
Speaker 4: to have an autistic child? Are you doing both?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But you probably don't understand this because you're not a scientist.
Speaker 3: But you're not either genes, cause I understand genes of
Speaker 3: vulnerability a gene.
Speaker 4: Environmental That's what I'm asking. Are you studying the environment.
Speaker 3: Talking all the different environmental exposures. But your statement you
Speaker 3: have been fooled, Your statement that this has been studied
Speaker 3: is not true. It's categorical, it is considered any of
Speaker 3: the stuff, it is considered.
Speaker 2: Doctor, what did we just hear there? Please help us
Speaker 2: make sense of that exchange between Dana Bash and Robert
Speaker 2: Kennedy Jr.
Speaker 1: Well, I think what we're hearing is just the ongoing
Speaker 1: controversy of whether vaccines have certain side effects that there's
Speaker 1: still a lot of concerns and questions. You know, one
Speaker 1: of the concerns is why do they give four or
Speaker 1: five vaccines at once? And when you think about what
Speaker 1: a vaccine is, basically, you're giving someone a piece of
Speaker 1: the disease so that the body it thinks that it
Speaker 1: is getting the disease, so it makes antibody against it.
Speaker 1: But they basically delete the part of the vaccine. That's
Speaker 1: what attenuated means that will actually cause the disease, but
Speaker 1: it thinks that it's sore, for example, measles, mumps, or
Speaker 1: rubella or hepatitis. And the concern is that when you
Speaker 1: give four or five vaccines at the same time, your
Speaker 1: immune system says, oh my god, I'm overwhelmed, and it
Speaker 1: launches this immense inflammatory response. So the people who are
Speaker 1: concerned about vaccines are saying this overwhelming response of giving
Speaker 1: everything all at once, does that cause neuroinflammation? Brain inflammation,
Speaker 1: And that's why people have these concerns about it. So
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of parents, for example, choose to
Speaker 1: ask the pediatricians and they'll pay for the extra visits.
Speaker 1: Insurance companies just want to pay for one visit. But
Speaker 1: if you separate them out, sometimes people feel more comfortable.
Speaker 1: And the problem is there's a lot of anecdotal eviden
Speaker 1: It's like, we have an autism center out near where
Speaker 1: I live, and all the parents, you know, they even
Speaker 1: show me videos how their kids behaved a certain way,
Speaker 1: and then after vaccines, they're convinced that the vaccines had
Speaker 1: something to do with it. I think vaccines are very
Speaker 1: very important. I think all the DNA vaccines, like measles.
Speaker 1: We see that in the communities where they don't get it,
Speaker 1: we're having outbreaks and that does a lot more damage.
Speaker 1: So a lot of vaccines are very safe. That then
Speaker 1: you know the pushing for example, hepatitis vaccines, which you
Speaker 1: get from being an ivy drug abuser or having certain
Speaker 1: adverent sexual practices. Why does a newborn or six month old,
Speaker 1: so they're giving that choice to delay that, you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit. The other thing they talked about in
Speaker 1: that cliff you just said was the tile and aill issue.
Speaker 1: And in low doses, tile andoal works fine, it's what
Speaker 1: it does, a good thing. And if someone's having fever
Speaker 1: during pregnancy, the fever can do more harm to the
Speaker 1: baby than having a low dose tylenol. I think the
Speaker 1: concern is and in some of these studies the doses
Speaker 1: were very high and tile and all. Yeah, when it's
Speaker 1: overtaken by many people, it does damage the liver. So
Speaker 1: people who take a lot of titlenoal, when you look
Speaker 1: at their liver enzymes, it causes elevation and liver enzymes.
Speaker 1: And in some countries, actually it's one of the ways
Speaker 1: people try to commit suicide is they swallow a bottle
Speaker 1: of tile because it causes liberal failure. It's a horrible
Speaker 1: way to die, and it's not it's terrible, but it
Speaker 1: can be toxic to the liver. Like anything, too much
Speaker 1: of anything is no good. But the vaccine situation, I
Speaker 1: think now that basically they're going to do more careful
Speaker 1: studies looking at vaccines and side effects, maybe we will
Speaker 1: have a final answer on exactly what happens. But in
Speaker 1: my you know, my a lot of my colleagues and
Speaker 1: physician friends. You know, we all believe in you know, vaccines,
Speaker 1: childhood immunization, but we like to spread them out and
Speaker 1: I think it just makes common sense and makes it
Speaker 1: makes people feel more comfortable, and it may have a benefit.
Speaker 1: But again, we need those studies to see what's going on.
Speaker 1: And also, autism is such a wide spectrum. You know,
Speaker 1: how do you label It's not like, you know, I've
Speaker 1: got lines disease here as the blood tests with autism.
Speaker 1: There's a wide spectrum of autism. And we have a
Speaker 1: lot more to learn because it's not just these things.
Speaker 1: We have a lot more to learn about forever chemicals, microplastics, nanoplastics.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've they've been finding we have a teaspoon
Speaker 1: of adults of nanoplastics in our brain. It crosses the
Speaker 1: blood brain barrier. So there's so much more that we're learning.
Speaker 1: And I think just the trend of trying to make
Speaker 1: America healthy again, I think is very very positive, and
Speaker 1: I think we still have more to learn, but it's
Speaker 1: nice that we're now looking at this much more carefully
Speaker 1: and being more considerate. That's what I want to ask
Speaker 1: you about. So the media has been NonStop and Dana Bass,
Speaker 1: you heard the aggressive attitude basically trying to say that
Speaker 1: Kennedy does know what he's talking about. He's some kind
Speaker 1: of nut The media narrative has been in he's some
Speaker 1: kind of nut job on vaccines, and I'm not hearing that.
Speaker 1: What I'm hearing is somebody that says we're we're trying
Speaker 1: to find the answers and this may be I'm not
Speaker 1: sure things haven't been studied conclusively, and she keeps citing studies,
Speaker 1: studies say, studies say, but if it's not studied, Look,
Speaker 1: I think Americans are wanting to know who to trust.
Speaker 1: It's very important. And also and the problem is, you know,
Speaker 1: I again as as an independent person. I mean, some
Speaker 1: of the things that they were attacking Saucy on, you know,
Speaker 1: we're appropriate, but some were not. Like, for example, you
Speaker 1: wanted me to continue last week you mentioned about the
Speaker 1: BLT mouse and what jose Serns was asking him, and
Speaker 1: I might, you know, I have to I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not a per person who uh you know, like likes
Speaker 1: the idea of the the abortion issue. But the reality
Speaker 1: is that those mice the BLT mice. To explain it again,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like abortion, but if we ban
Speaker 1: all abortion, we go back to coat hangers and things
Speaker 1: will get very nasty again. But they're going to be discardings,
Speaker 1: these these different body parts. Now what does this mean?
Speaker 1: What does a BLT mouse means? Most of the new
Speaker 1: medicines that have come out for cancer, for viruses, and
Speaker 1: for infectious diseases, and you know, and chemo and chemo
Speaker 1: chemotherapy have come out of testing our mice. And what
Speaker 1: did they do. They took a mouse that has a
Speaker 1: weekend immune system, and basically they put tiny particles of
Speaker 1: human liver, thymus and bone marrow, which are the human
Speaker 1: immune system. So they basically make a mouse that mimics
Speaker 1: the human immune system. And that's what they do the
Speaker 1: clinical trials to test new drugs, cancer treatments, vaccines before
Speaker 1: they do clinical trials in humans. So when I see
Speaker 1: a mice, you know, people get upset when they see
Speaker 1: a mouse. I actually salute them and thank them because
Speaker 1: those mice and those experiments than those mice where you
Speaker 1: basically create a mouse that mimics a human being, and
Speaker 1: that's how most of our medicines get tested for safety initially,
Speaker 1: because if we were just going directly to human testing,
Speaker 1: there'd be a lot of you know, dead people with
Speaker 1: a lot worse side effects. So when it comes to
Speaker 1: that particular topic, it's it's it's a little bit more complicated.
Speaker 1: That is one of the key places where we test research.
Speaker 1: Like if you have one hundred new anti virals and
Speaker 1: you want to test them against HIV. They first did
Speaker 1: it on these types of mice, and you know, during
Speaker 1: the Age epidemic. It was this brilliant scientist who's actually
Speaker 1: now at Columbia University, and he basically said, we're going
Speaker 1: to take a cocktail of three different antivirals and give
Speaker 1: it and that's how we're going to knock out HIV.
Speaker 1: And a lot of these experiments they started with these
Speaker 1: immune compromise mice that they put the human tissue into
Speaker 1: mimic so they see how does the human liver, how
Speaker 1: does the human lung They even put lung tissue, how
Speaker 1: does the human lung tissue react if you're testing COVID
Speaker 1: or HIV. So on that particular note, I don't think
Speaker 1: that they were going in the right direction, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't explained well enough on the importance to humanity and
Speaker 1: the millions of lives that have been saved with these
Speaker 1: you know, animals. Of course, it's unfortunate for mice, just
Speaker 1: like it is for all the meat eaters. If you
Speaker 1: watch how we get our meat or our steaks or
Speaker 1: filet mignon, it makes you want to be of atarian.
Speaker 1: But that's that's what I wanted to explain so people
Speaker 1: understand that that issue is more complicated, and those BLT
Speaker 1: mice are very, very important to humanity and the continued
Speaker 1: new chemotherapies for children, for adults, for cancer, for viruses,
Speaker 1: and all these new wild infections that are happening, like
Speaker 1: this new bourbon virus that's coming out of ticks. Where
Speaker 1: is it going to get tested. We're not going to
Speaker 1: test it on adults or human babies. But this is
Speaker 1: these parts, these pieces that are going to be discarded
Speaker 1: in any way, are being used to make these specialized
Speaker 1: mice that mimic armune systems. So just so people understand exactly,
Speaker 1: and again I'm not advocating for abortions or anything else,
Speaker 1: but if something's going to be done anyway.
Speaker 2: In explaining, you are explaining that's what you're doing. You're
Speaker 2: explaining the sides of the issue, which I which I
Speaker 2: so appreciate because I you know, doctor, you I'm telling
Speaker 2: you something I learned, just like this audience learns and
Speaker 2: my audience, this audience, our audience love you because you
Speaker 2: explain things to us in ways that we can understand
Speaker 2: these complex things that are going on in the world
Speaker 2: of medicine. You have a gift of being able to
Speaker 2: explain it to us so that we can understand it.
Speaker 2: And that's why it's so important to have you on
Speaker 2: this program, so that we know how to view the
Speaker 2: things that are happening, especially these issues like autism, like
Speaker 2: dealing with vaccines. We need somebody to trust, doctor, and
Speaker 2: that somebody is you, because of the way that you
Speaker 2: explain what is happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think it's very important. And with all
Speaker 1: these things that I'm mentioning, the other good thing about
Speaker 1: what I do is I have no proprietary interest in
Speaker 1: any of these, you know, medicines or vaccines. And the
Speaker 1: problem is some of the people who were standing on
Speaker 1: that stage. If you go into just the patents, the
Speaker 1: United States patents of a lot of these people, a
Speaker 1: lot of people are financially benefiting from these various treatments
Speaker 1: and vaccines. And again with older respect to doctor Fauci,
Speaker 1: put in Anthony Fauci in the computer and Justia Pattens
Speaker 1: and you'll see it come up. But you know, that's
Speaker 1: why I'd like to explain things and help people learn.
Speaker 1: And that's why in about two three weeks when my
Speaker 1: new books summarizing all the anti aging literature in the
Speaker 1: world talks about how to become healthier, it's called the
Speaker 1: Death of Aging. And I finally had to do it
Speaker 1: because people kept asking me, can I please explain and
Speaker 1: summarize and we'll talk more about that on your show,
Speaker 1: and how to keep people healthy.
Speaker 2: We will