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<v Speaker 1>Round. This is the seventy seven WABC Mini Cast.

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<v Speaker 2>James Golden is thirty with you, Doctor Michelas is with

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<v Speaker 2>US America's Doctor. Thank you so much for rejoining us. Doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a great discussion with you last week, and

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for making yourself available this week. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to continue with where we left off, if that's okay

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<v Speaker 2>with you. How you doing, Doc, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing great, and it's great to be with the new

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<v Speaker 1>title I have for you as a Radio Educator of

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<v Speaker 1>the Year because you really get I love the way

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<v Speaker 1>you not only make statements, but then you also supply

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<v Speaker 1>the clips right away and people can hear the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that these things were actually said or done. So I

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoy it, and you always do it with compassion

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<v Speaker 1>and fairness and good humor.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you, so you are so kind. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>this clip, doctor, I have been wanting to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>about this and ever since I heard it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would like you to explain to all of us, including me,

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm what we are listening to. This was from

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<v Speaker 2>the RFK interview on CNN cut number fourteen. It runs

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<v Speaker 2>about two minutes and change, but it's so important and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like you to listen to this and explain to

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<v Speaker 2>all of us, Please doctor, what we just heard, what

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<v Speaker 2>we're listening to.

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<v Speaker 3>We're doing all those things and as one of the

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<v Speaker 3>ways we found Thailand all there's seventy three studies out

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<v Speaker 3>there and length Thailand will exposure during later pregnancy and

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<v Speaker 3>during the parinatal period to to I'll just mindset. But

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<v Speaker 3>you are wrong when you say that this issue has

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<v Speaker 3>been studied. It has been studying, and you're rolling your eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>I am because I don't want I don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>have you use our air to say this. There have

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<v Speaker 4>been more than forty studies involving five point six million

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<v Speaker 4>people to conclude there is no link between vaccines and autism.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the head of the Committee of Infectious Diseases

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<v Speaker 4>for the American Academy of People.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you what the Institute of Medicine says,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the National Academy of Sciences, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>ultimate arbiter on vaccine safety in which it does not

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<v Speaker 3>have an interest in this debate. It says that none

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<v Speaker 3>of the eight vaccines that are administered during the first

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<v Speaker 3>six months of life have ever been studied for a

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<v Speaker 3>relationship to autism, have found two studies on the D

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<v Speaker 3>vaccine that show that it does cause autism, and one

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<v Speaker 3>on the appatitis B vaccine and again suggests that it

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<v Speaker 3>does cause autism. The Institute of Medicine dismissed those two

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<v Speaker 3>studies because they were based on CDC's database. The studies

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<v Speaker 3>that you're referring to are all from one vaccine in

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<v Speaker 3>the MMR vaccine or one ingredient dirimeraic.

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<v Speaker 4>You are using. You are actually looking at your starting

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<v Speaker 4>new studies to try to link autism, but you're also talenting.

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<v Speaker 3>You trying to link autism to anything. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 3>find out why is autism?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you also trying to Are you also trying to

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<v Speaker 4>find out how it interacts with people's DNA, what's predisposed

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<v Speaker 4>to have an autistic child? Are you doing both?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>But you probably don't understand this because you're not a scientist.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're not either genes, cause I understand genes of

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<v Speaker 3>vulnerability a gene.

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<v Speaker 4>Environmental That's what I'm asking. Are you studying the environment.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking all the different environmental exposures. But your statement you

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<v Speaker 3>have been fooled, Your statement that this has been studied

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<v Speaker 3>is not true. It's categorical, it is considered any of

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<v Speaker 3>the stuff, it is considered.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor, what did we just hear there? Please help us

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<v Speaker 2>make sense of that exchange between Dana Bash and Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think what we're hearing is just the ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>controversy of whether vaccines have certain side effects that there's

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<v Speaker 1>still a lot of concerns and questions. You know, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the concerns is why do they give four or

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<v Speaker 1>five vaccines at once? And when you think about what

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<v Speaker 1>a vaccine is, basically, you're giving someone a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>is getting the disease, so it makes antibody against it.

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<v Speaker 1>But they basically delete the part of the vaccine. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what attenuated means that will actually cause the disease, but

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<v Speaker 1>rubella or hepatitis. And the concern is that when you

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<v Speaker 1>give four or five vaccines at the same time, your

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<v Speaker 1>immune system says, oh my god, I'm overwhelmed, and it

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<v Speaker 1>launches this immense inflammatory response. So the people who are

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about vaccines are saying this overwhelming response of giving

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<v Speaker 1>everything all at once, does that cause neuroinflammation? Brain inflammation,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why people have these concerns about it. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's why a lot of parents, for example, choose to

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<v Speaker 1>ask the pediatricians and they'll pay for the extra visits.

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<v Speaker 1>Insurance companies just want to pay for one visit. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you separate them out, sometimes people feel more comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>And the problem is there's a lot of anecdotal eviden

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, we have an autism center out near where

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<v Speaker 1>I live, and all the parents, you know, they even

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<v Speaker 1>show me videos how their kids behaved a certain way,

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<v Speaker 1>and then after vaccines, they're convinced that the vaccines had

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<v Speaker 1>something to do with it. I think vaccines are very

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<v Speaker 1>very important. I think all the DNA vaccines, like measles.

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<v Speaker 1>We see that in the communities where they don't get it,

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<v Speaker 1>we're having outbreaks and that does a lot more damage.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of vaccines are very safe. That then

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<v Speaker 1>you know the pushing for example, hepatitis vaccines, which you

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<v Speaker 1>get from being an ivy drug abuser or having certain

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<v Speaker 1>adverent sexual practices. Why does a newborn or six month old,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're giving that choice to delay that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. The other thing they talked about in

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<v Speaker 1>that cliff you just said was the tile and aill issue.

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<v Speaker 1>And in low doses, tile andoal works fine, it's what

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<v Speaker 1>it does, a good thing. And if someone's having fever

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<v Speaker 1>during pregnancy, the fever can do more harm to the

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<v Speaker 1>baby than having a low dose tylenol. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>concern is and in some of these studies the doses

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<v Speaker 1>were very high and tile and all. Yeah, when it's

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<v Speaker 1>overtaken by many people, it does damage the liver. So

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<v Speaker 1>people who take a lot of titlenoal, when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at their liver enzymes, it causes elevation and liver enzymes.

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<v Speaker 1>And in some countries, actually it's one of the ways

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<v Speaker 1>people try to commit suicide is they swallow a bottle

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<v Speaker 1>of tile because it causes liberal failure. It's a horrible

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<v Speaker 1>way to die, and it's not it's terrible, but it

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<v Speaker 1>can be toxic to the liver. Like anything, too much

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<v Speaker 1>of anything is no good. But the vaccine situation, I

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<v Speaker 1>think now that basically they're going to do more careful

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<v Speaker 1>studies looking at vaccines and side effects, maybe we will

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<v Speaker 1>have a final answer on exactly what happens. But in

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<v Speaker 1>my you know, my a lot of my colleagues and

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<v Speaker 1>physician friends. You know, we all believe in you know, vaccines,

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<v Speaker 1>childhood immunization, but we like to spread them out and

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<v Speaker 1>makes people feel more comfortable, and it may have a benefit.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, we need those studies to see what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, autism is such a wide spectrum. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you label It's not like, you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got lines disease here as the blood tests with autism.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a wide spectrum of autism. And we have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more to learn because it's not just these things.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a lot more to learn about forever chemicals, microplastics, nanoplastics.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they've they've been finding we have a teaspoon

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<v Speaker 1>of adults of nanoplastics in our brain. It crosses the

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<v Speaker 1>blood brain barrier. So there's so much more that we're learning.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think just the trend of trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>America healthy again, I think is very very positive, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think we still have more to learn, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>nice that we're now looking at this much more carefully

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<v Speaker 1>and being more considerate. That's what I want to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you about. So the media has been NonStop and Dana Bass,

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<v Speaker 1>you heard the aggressive attitude basically trying to say that

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy does know what he's talking about. He's some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of nut The media narrative has been in he's some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of nut job on vaccines, and I'm not hearing that.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm hearing is somebody that says we're we're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find the answers and this may be I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure things haven't been studied conclusively, and she keeps citing studies,

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<v Speaker 1>studies say, studies say, but if it's not studied, Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Americans are wanting to know who to trust.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very important. And also and the problem is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I again as as an independent person. I mean, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that they were attacking Saucy on, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're appropriate, but some were not. Like, for example, you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted me to continue last week you mentioned about the

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<v Speaker 1>BLT mouse and what jose Serns was asking him, and

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<v Speaker 1>not a per person who uh you know, like likes

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of the the abortion issue. But the reality

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<v Speaker 1>is that those mice the BLT mice. To explain it again,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't like abortion, but if we ban

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<v Speaker 1>all abortion, we go back to coat hangers and things

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<v Speaker 1>will get very nasty again. But they're going to be discardings,

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<v Speaker 1>these these different body parts. Now what does this mean?

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<v Speaker 1>What does a BLT mouse means? Most of the new

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<v Speaker 1>medicines that have come out for cancer, for viruses, and

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<v Speaker 1>chemotherapy have come out of testing our mice. And what

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<v Speaker 1>did they do. They took a mouse that has a

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<v Speaker 1>weekend immune system, and basically they put tiny particles of

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<v Speaker 1>human liver, thymus and bone marrow, which are the human

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<v Speaker 1>immune system. So they basically make a mouse that mimics

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<v Speaker 1>the human immune system. And that's what they do the

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<v Speaker 1>clinical trials to test new drugs, cancer treatments, vaccines before

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<v Speaker 1>they do clinical trials in humans. So when I see

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<v Speaker 1>a mice, you know, people get upset when they see

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<v Speaker 1>a mouse. I actually salute them and thank them because

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<v Speaker 1>those mice and those experiments than those mice where you

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<v Speaker 1>basically create a mouse that mimics a human being, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's how most of our medicines get tested for safety initially,

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<v Speaker 1>because if we were just going directly to human testing,

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<v Speaker 1>there'd be a lot of you know, dead people with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot worse side effects. So when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>that particular topic, it's it's it's a little bit more complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>That is one of the key places where we test research.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you have one hundred new anti virals and

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<v Speaker 1>you want to test them against HIV. They first did

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<v Speaker 1>it on these types of mice, and you know, during

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<v Speaker 1>the Age epidemic. It was this brilliant scientist who's actually

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of these experiments they started with these

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<v Speaker 1>immune compromise mice that they put the human tissue into

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<v Speaker 1>mimic so they see how does the human liver, how

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<v Speaker 1>does the human lung They even put lung tissue, how

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<v Speaker 1>does the human lung tissue react if you're testing COVID

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<v Speaker 1>or HIV. So on that particular note, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that they were going in the right direction, and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't explained well enough on the importance to humanity and

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<v Speaker 1>the millions of lives that have been saved with these

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<v Speaker 1>you know, animals. Of course, it's unfortunate for mice, just

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<v Speaker 1>like it is for all the meat eaters. If you

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<v Speaker 1>filet mignon, it makes you want to be of atarian.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's that's what I wanted to explain so people

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<v Speaker 1>understand that that issue is more complicated, and those BLT

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<v Speaker 1>mice are very, very important to humanity and the continued

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<v Speaker 1>new chemotherapies for children, for adults, for cancer, for viruses,

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<v Speaker 1>and all these new wild infections that are happening, like

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<v Speaker 1>this new bourbon virus that's coming out of ticks. Where

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<v Speaker 1>is it going to get tested. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>test it on adults or human babies. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>these parts, these pieces that are going to be discarded

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<v Speaker 1>in any way, are being used to make these specialized

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<v Speaker 1>mice that mimic armune systems. So just so people understand exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>and again I'm not advocating for abortions or anything else,

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<v Speaker 1>but if something's going to be done anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>In explaining, you are explaining that's what you're doing. You're

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<v Speaker 2>explaining the sides of the issue, which I which I

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<v Speaker 2>so appreciate because I you know, doctor, you I'm telling

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<v Speaker 2>you something I learned, just like this audience learns and

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<v Speaker 2>my audience, this audience, our audience love you because you

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<v Speaker 2>explain things to us in ways that we can understand

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<v Speaker 2>these complex things that are going on in the world

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<v Speaker 2>of medicine. You have a gift of being able to

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<v Speaker 2>explain it to us so that we can understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why it's so important to have you on

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<v Speaker 2>this program, so that we know how to view the

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<v Speaker 2>things that are happening, especially these issues like autism, like

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with vaccines. We need somebody to trust, doctor, and

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<v Speaker 2>that somebody is you, because of the way that you

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<v Speaker 2>explain what is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I think it's very important. And with all

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<v Speaker 1>these things that I'm mentioning, the other good thing about

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<v Speaker 1>what I do is I have no proprietary interest in

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<v Speaker 1>any of these, you know, medicines or vaccines. And the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is some of the people who were standing on

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<v Speaker 1>that stage. If you go into just the patents, the

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<v Speaker 1>United States patents of a lot of these people, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people are financially benefiting from these various treatments

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<v Speaker 1>and vaccines. And again with older respect to doctor Fauci,

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<v Speaker 1>put in Anthony Fauci in the computer and Justia Pattens

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll see it come up. But you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I'd like to explain things and help people learn.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why in about two three weeks when my

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<v Speaker 1>new books summarizing all the anti aging literature in the

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<v Speaker 1>world talks about how to become healthier, it's called the

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<v Speaker 1>Death of Aging. And I finally had to do it

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<v Speaker 1>because people kept asking me, can I please explain and

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<v Speaker 1>summarize and we'll talk more about that on your show,

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<v Speaker 1>and how to keep people healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>We will