Speaker 1: You just developed that secondhand you know thing. He would
Speaker 1: do chords like that. You showed me how to do it.
Speaker 1: I thought, well, that's cool, but I didn't think nothing
Speaker 1: of it. I thought, of course, if you put your
Speaker 1: finger down, how it's gonna make nooy right? And I thought,
Speaker 1: I watch a good trick. I use it for like,
Speaker 1: you know, stupid little things. But Ed picked up on it.
Speaker 1: With the venues were totally rock and roll. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll leave you you're reading.
Speaker 2: Little hands this, It's time to rock and roll roll.
Speaker 1: I totally booked.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to Booked on Rock conversations with authors, musicians
Speaker 3: and insiders revealing the stories behind classic rocks, greatest songs, albums,
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Speaker 3: Booked on Rock dot com. Now onto our guest. I'm
Speaker 3: very excited about this. I'm joined by legendary guitarist Terry Kilgore,
Speaker 3: a long time mixture of Southern California's rock scene, whose
Speaker 3: remarkable careers included close friendships with Eddie Van Halen and
Speaker 3: David Lee Roth, along with acclaimed guitar and songwriting work
Speaker 3: on Roth's solo albums. After surviving the devastating ETN fire
Speaker 3: that destroyed his home, studio and treasured guitar collection, Terry
Speaker 3: is making an inspiring comeback with his brand new album,
Speaker 3: The Devil's and the Details, and he is here to
Speaker 3: share the incredible stories behind the music and the journey. Terry,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming on the show, and
Speaker 3: we also have to be here. Christy's with you as well. Christy,
Speaker 3: you are singing on this upcoming album.
Speaker 1: Right Yet the lyrics we're going to bang up job
Speaker 1: very different.
Speaker 2: Singing then we produced together. I go on the studio
Speaker 2: sometimes sometimes we go together, and for the production.
Speaker 1: They're not much coming out different than anything I've ever done.
Speaker 1: But you know, that's what I want to do. When
Speaker 1: you want to do things that you haven't done, you
Speaker 1: have to do things that you don't do, you know.
Speaker 3: Get that couple and the stage name is Corpus CHRISTI right, I.
Speaker 4: Love that that's my stage name.
Speaker 1: Yet that's cool, he played out live more than I do.
Speaker 1: I mean, really, you know, it's I'm desperately trying to
Speaker 1: make sense of a studio that's inside of an RV,
Speaker 1: and it's different, you know, the gears up the snuff.
Speaker 1: It's better than it ever been. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: like when you when the fire hit. I mean I
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking, obviously I'd take a six hundred guitar, six
Speaker 1: hundred dollars guitar and leave the thirty thousand dollars burn.
Speaker 4: It was like, well, you had a fire all coming
Speaker 4: at you, so you weren't thinking.
Speaker 1: I've never seen the like of it. Nobody ever has,
Speaker 1: I don't think. And then you know, the bower off
Speaker 1: at six o'clock and then they shut the water up
Speaker 1: at about three in the morning, and we just couldn't
Speaker 1: couldn't get wet enough. It was age redwood. My place
Speaker 1: was one hundred and forty years old and never had
Speaker 1: a not a hitch. And then they tried to say
Speaker 1: it was you know, homeless people up there smoking cigarettes
Speaker 1: up in two thousand feet up in a power tower.
Speaker 1: Then we come to fly that all twenty six towers
Speaker 1: that lead up to Sohmar are all faulty. Because they
Speaker 1: didn't want to upset their shareholders, so they burnt nine
Speaker 1: thousand structures and their CEO got a sixteen million dollar bonus.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable. That was almost exactly a year ago, wasn't.
Speaker 1: It a year and a half ago? In the r
Speaker 1: for a long all these years. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: something might be fun on camping trip, but you don't
Speaker 1: want to live in the morning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was too long.
Speaker 1: With all the amenities, it's still opinion. You ask because
Speaker 1: you're you're in basically get a fiberglass kiln and do
Speaker 1: work in there. You have to have wind blowing on
Speaker 1: you all the time, you know, so it stretches the opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we spend time in the studio, we spend
Speaker 2: time playing here, and then.
Speaker 4: He doesn't get out. You play out a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, but more it's like, you know, well, you've played
Speaker 1: in front of a lot of people and you're doing whatever.
Speaker 1: It's not much fun to play in front of ten
Speaker 1: twelve people in these clubs. It's really gotten small out here,
Speaker 1: that team. It's small. I mean if you go into
Speaker 1: the only places that we know they're really doing business,
Speaker 1: or like beer bars and regular drinking bars that maybe
Speaker 1: you have enough rooms, set a band up that has
Speaker 1: to stand amongst the audience, just like they're part of
Speaker 1: the you know, the the clientele. So it doesn't have
Speaker 1: a stage feel to it.
Speaker 4: And for me, I'm fine with anything.
Speaker 2: I don't play anywhere anyone asked me, and so we
Speaker 2: play a house of Blues quite a bit.
Speaker 1: He's got a good out the cuff thing. She can
Speaker 1: adapt quick. I can adapt. But it's just like you
Speaker 1: get used to. I have a certain idea about how
Speaker 1: I want to be projected and I haven't gotten to
Speaker 1: it yet because it does a lot of work.
Speaker 4: You've been in a r V doing your life.
Speaker 2: I mean, so I think that you just need to
Speaker 2: give yourself a little bit of time again.
Speaker 1: So well you take ship for granted, because you know,
Speaker 1: I had a beautiful studio and I'm thinking I go
Speaker 1: in there and record anytime. I'll wait. Now it's work.
Speaker 2: He's got a bit of a life adjustment until his
Speaker 2: everything sorts out and he gets his house back. You know,
Speaker 2: once he gets a house back, it will change. But
Speaker 2: right now he's been uprooted, so yeah, he's not playing
Speaker 2: out like you used to.
Speaker 4: But that'll change.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I would play off. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to play standards. I mean, I'm going
Speaker 1: to play that funky music, white boy fas I came from.
Speaker 4: You're going to play your originals.
Speaker 1: I I think the guys would do that. They relegate
Speaker 1: themselves to that life. Yeah, if you play that kind
Speaker 1: of ship, people will devaluate the value the department. We
Speaker 1: don't make any money at all.
Speaker 4: I don't find funky music right by.
Speaker 1: But he's just like paid to do this ship, you know,
Speaker 1: And I was better when I got paid.
Speaker 3: I think a belated birthday is in order, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4: You're so good.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, seventy one years young.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'm in a better shape than some of them.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't I don't know what Dave
Speaker 1: did him so, but he looks bad and he was strong.
Speaker 1: Believe me, when I worked with that guy, You've never
Speaker 1: seen stronger fingers. He could take his middle fingers and
Speaker 1: put him out of door jam and take his whole
Speaker 1: weight up down with it several times those from binding
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's always been an amazing shape. I think
Speaker 3: he's the same.
Speaker 1: He would have been a great gym coach.
Speaker 3: Right, or a game show for teacher can.
Speaker 1: Get stuimes that backfires out sword fighting? You remember on
Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel's kind of backfire. Oh yeah, he knocked about knocked.
Speaker 3: His beak off, exactly did you see that?
Speaker 1: With your own story, you got to look at that like, hey,
Speaker 1: if that was a blade, you'd be missing your snobs now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you grew up in a very musical family right
Speaker 3: in Altadina. Talk about that. Your father had a love
Speaker 3: of rock and roll and your mother was a Flamenco
Speaker 3: guitar player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I learned basically, I picked up the guitar.
Speaker 1: She played Flamenco. But it was a craze in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty there was a big Flamenco craze and all the
Speaker 1: housewives will get guitars and learning Flamenco. And she got
Speaker 1: to serve. My uncle's taught her, and I mean real Flamenco.
Speaker 1: You work on compos your right hand for a year
Speaker 1: before you've ever touched anything over here. So it's like
Speaker 1: being a heart player that you have to learn all
Speaker 1: those techniques and be able to play them in time.
Speaker 1: So my mom was a harsh judge. You know what,
Speaker 1: I mean, my progress is slow. You as you suck,
Speaker 1: you get to do that. And you know, she had
Speaker 1: a a Flamenco guitar that had action about that tall,
Speaker 1: so it was not comfortable to play. And then finally
Speaker 1: I got, you know, my first I think it was
Speaker 1: a nineteenth Strand who in the sixty seven or eight telecaster,
Speaker 1: and after beating it up for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: I got an SG and then everything. That's when the
Speaker 1: Golden Era started, with the cool amps, you know, fifty
Speaker 1: old fifty watt marshals and the uh you know Goodman
Speaker 1: audience speakers that were in high watching. We've got a
Speaker 1: really exotic, clandestine sound out of these things back then.
Speaker 1: And Ed had that ed super lead was the same
Speaker 1: one that they used at the Rose Fils for Reynolds
Speaker 1: at sixty eight Fletchy that John Zata bought. He played
Speaker 1: that thing to where I remember it was in fifty
Speaker 1: one fifty always left with the chassis. The box was gone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a rearstat, a big rearstat, right, So Don Landy really
Speaker 1: got to give Don Landy a lot of credit for
Speaker 1: that Van Halen sounds.
Speaker 3: Rest in Peace just passed away.
Speaker 1: Well that's what's don with that. You know, eleven seventy
Speaker 1: sixth compression like on drop Dead Legs where the chord
Speaker 1: comes in a home. That's like really ingenious pracket. So
Speaker 1: he used some good, good devices and don't don't forget
Speaker 1: to Evan legendary Evan died nine ten, which was on
Speaker 1: all Van Halen records and all Ozzy stuff because it's
Speaker 1: got you know, it had a really organic quality.
Speaker 4: Is that what we're trying to get?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had one.
Speaker 4: I burned it up, had everything burned up.
Speaker 1: You find him in special effects companies do folly and
Speaker 1: stuff like that because it has a keyboard. Players are
Speaker 1: crazy about it because the godlike quality, because it's got
Speaker 1: limits and it keys up on certain keys to define
Speaker 1: the mix. But you know, if you listen to what
Speaker 1: their progress was the ones, he was very frank to
Speaker 1: be about it. So which one did you like? Is
Speaker 1: Giver Down? I hated? So it's the worst record we ever.
Speaker 3: He's talked about that because too many covers.
Speaker 1: He didn't like fare Warning either. He it was hostile.
Speaker 1: It was a hostile period because they got to the
Speaker 1: point at Becordia. Rudy Laren, who was AD's guitar tech
Speaker 1: all those years and Greg Emerson who kills himself a
Speaker 1: suicide us. A lot of the guys that we worked
Speaker 1: with did just that. I mean Doug Birch we've turned with.
Speaker 1: He was decapitated of his way to the gorge. Do
Speaker 1: sound for a concerto from the Day and a half
Speaker 1: to find his head?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Was Greg Emerson the one that they
Speaker 3: wrote the song uh for? It was the A bonus
Speaker 3: track on balance crossing Over?
Speaker 1: I think so yeah, it's it was I think something
Speaker 1: ed conveyed, but Sammy did the vocals and you know
Speaker 1: it's going to be his own viewpoint. But they needed
Speaker 1: somebody like Samy with the personality because Van Hall was
Speaker 1: pretty snotty when they had Dave. I mean they made
Speaker 1: people get those brown am and picked the brown m
Speaker 1: and ms out of stuck and they thought that would
Speaker 1: make them much more attentive to the She didn't want
Speaker 1: to get the bad end of those guys, because you
Speaker 1: know it with Sterling Ball and Edwards like this. They
Speaker 1: they had houses in Sagas that had the golf course
Speaker 1: right in between him meet on the golf course. They
Speaker 1: had a falling out over how much money I was
Speaker 1: getting off the music man guitars or whatever. So that
Speaker 1: went out there. You know, everybody that's dealt with them
Speaker 1: had to. They wanted more money. They were they're very
Speaker 1: European family. They they kept there to themselves financially and
Speaker 1: didn't let anybody in their deal, you know. And Dave
Speaker 1: was like ruthless. I mean, he just told me, guys,
Speaker 1: when he was first with van Halen, they were wearing
Speaker 1: you know, Crota sackers and Penalton and stuff, and that's
Speaker 1: what they did. And he said, you got to got
Speaker 1: to flash up a little bit, start dressing ed, you know,
Speaker 1: telling them what to dress did. They were resentful at first,
Speaker 1: but right of mine has We went to the Freakball,
Speaker 1: the annual Freakball at Lax and this was liketeen seventy
Speaker 1: three or four and a bunch of name acts. Van
Speaker 1: Halen got a spot there and I wish I could
Speaker 1: pull the pictures for that. Friend of mine has probably
Speaker 1: three hundred pictures no one's ever seen, all thirty five millimeters,
Speaker 1: you know, done on a like M five black and white,
Speaker 1: very cool stuff.
Speaker 3: Alex wrote the book Brothers, and he doesn't write about
Speaker 3: the time with Sammy at all. And he doesn't mention
Speaker 3: Sammy that they don't talk like Sammy wants to talk
Speaker 3: with Alex, but Alex is not talking with that.
Speaker 1: He didn't. Apparently Sammy became persona on Gradvy and they
Speaker 1: were completely oppose that they were so thrilled to have him,
Speaker 1: and I ted to tell you what, with all due respect,
Speaker 1: I mean, at their top when they really started making
Speaker 1: money from Ed Leffler. It was Sammy's. Sammy's manager was
Speaker 1: Ed Leffler, and he made them a lot of money.
Speaker 1: When he died, the whole thing got to where every
Speaker 1: why aren't you running this business? Everyone was not a businessman.
Speaker 1: He want to play guitar, so he wasn't handling it.
Speaker 1: Sammy was way experienced that it had made a lot
Speaker 1: of money for him, and he took over and they said,
Speaker 1: they said, who's going to run this thing? Alex?
Speaker 3: And then Ray Daniels stepped in.
Speaker 1: Ray Daniels, well, Sammy just kind of had his management
Speaker 1: and he want trying to find another manager, and they said,
Speaker 1: he You're going to let Sammy run this. You know,
Speaker 1: people got in between us, just hard to handle. Management
Speaker 1: got between me and Dave. Dave went off one night
Speaker 1: and I called him out on it because I went
Speaker 1: to school with I was saying, fuck, you're not going
Speaker 1: to do this to me, yell out the whole band,
Speaker 1: and we were so well rehearsed on me. But it
Speaker 1: was a very all of a sudden became apparent that
Speaker 1: this is going to be a Van Halen Top forty tour.
Speaker 1: And I was a friend with Everage, so it was
Speaker 1: an insult to me to have to play his shit.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to play it, but when you were
Speaker 1: a dave, you're going to be stuck with that for
Speaker 1: at the end of time. That's his that was his thing.
Speaker 1: I understand that, but I just soon got out of
Speaker 1: it because I was getting paid for the publishing and
Speaker 1: mechanical roads. These aren't that great out on the road
Speaker 1: these days, in fact, that people aren't even averaging two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a week.
Speaker 3: Is it publishing for the songs on your Filthy Little
Speaker 3: Mouth or is it?
Speaker 1: Well, I had half that record. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: five forty five percent of the publishing of that record,
Speaker 1: and it just wet Plattum about a year ago, after
Speaker 1: what twenty something years, Because all of his stuff sells generally,
Speaker 1: it's on the Van Handlin catalog withst So. But I
Speaker 1: haven't seen a whole lot of money of it. I
Speaker 1: mean there's one incident where I asked for money and
Speaker 1: got it because he was holding my checks and she's
Speaker 1: Christy go for the Diamond Dave Enterprises.
Speaker 4: And right now the time that you could use the money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so it's like more in this w They knows.
Speaker 1: I'm many jam. I don't expect anything. I didn't expect
Speaker 1: anything from Edward. I mean, Everard said he's gonna help
Speaker 1: get a record done in nineteen eighty seven. We worked
Speaker 1: on it real hard, but he had to go to
Speaker 1: Betty Ford so many times that year that that he
Speaker 1: just he could attention. It couldn't be given to it.
Speaker 4: And you had your you got your income.
Speaker 1: Relacious motorcycle action, I told him, I said, ed I've
Speaker 1: been driving motorcycles for thirty years. You should not be
Speaker 1: driving one. There's some guys that should drive them.
Speaker 3: So right now you're owed money from from the your
Speaker 3: filthy little mouse.
Speaker 1: I'm certain that a lot of sources only money I'm
Speaker 1: seen to Donald.
Speaker 3: And where where does that stay? Have you spoken with attorneys?
Speaker 1: Twenty two songs published out there that I'm not making
Speaker 1: money on it.
Speaker 2: He speaks with attorneys for Edison, but right now, like
Speaker 2: his studio burns, so that was a source of income.
Speaker 4: His rental property for literally.
Speaker 1: Took my whole. I mean, my mom's ashes, my brother's actions,
Speaker 1: my step everything's gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so sorry to hear that.
Speaker 1: I mean, nothing, nothing left. And I didn't wasn't thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I was sitting there with a Jamie
Speaker 1: hunting out on the lawn chair, it out in the front.
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I get pretty well, only
Speaker 1: if a firestorm could take me up. Right.
Speaker 3: There was a gofund me and I know it was
Speaker 3: posted on the Van Helen news desk too.
Speaker 1: Oh my daughter raised forty five thousand dollars for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, and I paid. I gave her a lot
Speaker 1: for her college, and she helped her mother and got
Speaker 1: her a car because we were gone.
Speaker 4: So it definitely helped.
Speaker 1: It definitely helped. Thank you to anybody. A lot of
Speaker 1: my cousins and a lot of my friends came forward.
Speaker 1: I'm breakless hell, but you know what it's at this
Speaker 1: day and age, he's got to make a lot of
Speaker 1: money just to live. I mean, it's got to be
Speaker 1: tough with Connecticut, the taxes, a property taxes.
Speaker 3: Durer, Trust me, I have a day job that I
Speaker 3: don't necessarily love, but I got to make a living
Speaker 3: and then I come home, and then I come home
Speaker 3: and I do this stuff and I love talking to
Speaker 3: people like that in the.
Speaker 1: Vacuum tube business and retired. I finally retired. I did
Speaker 1: business over the front of mine and I still get
Speaker 1: residual from it. But I'll tell you what, that was
Speaker 1: a damn good business. Compared to the music business in
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, it's been horrible. I mean, really,
Speaker 1: nobody signed a deal if you if you had to,
Speaker 1: if you're an act that was established, like even Steve Pearcy,
Speaker 1: and you know, they struggle. Warren doesn't struggle though, but
Speaker 1: you know Pearcy's out there playing a lot. We're killing him.
Speaker 1: They basically killing himself. It's tough to go and tour
Speaker 1: around the country. The first thing you're going to get
Speaker 1: if you go out in the spring and winter time,
Speaker 1: you're going to get pneumonia in within five weeks because
Speaker 1: they don't let you sleep.
Speaker 4: Well, that was the two you were on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't make it when you go out with
Speaker 1: Dave was not like fun and games. Yeah, gets he
Speaker 1: gets mad at everybody, and you don't want to be
Speaker 1: a guitar player, sound or a drama with that guy.
Speaker 1: He just now he doesn't say anything, But before it
Speaker 1: was like I was so important. It ruined a lot
Speaker 1: of fun times. We had great shows. But man, he
Speaker 1: was always so just and was it?
Speaker 3: Raylu Zero said he was on the receiving end of
Speaker 3: one of those.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ron Wicksow and Matt Businette was not real wild
Speaker 1: about him either. They went at it quite a bit
Speaker 1: because you know, when Greg's could get along with anybody,
Speaker 1: you have to be kind of a I don't know,
Speaker 1: gregarious type person to be around him and put up
Speaker 1: with it, because if you get on his inner circle,
Speaker 1: he's going to start picking at you. It's a he's
Speaker 1: a different guy. He's been that way since he was fourteen.
Speaker 4: I have family members like that.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got a thing that his parents may
Speaker 1: have go to some juvenile delinquent class, and he never
Speaker 1: forgave before it.
Speaker 3: That's the question. What people always have, like, is the
Speaker 3: Dave that we see on camera on stage, is that
Speaker 3: the Dave that's you know, when the cameras are off.
Speaker 3: Is he the same way?
Speaker 1: It's not the same, And wherever you go it's different.
Speaker 1: You go, well, we're gonna get this, We're going to
Speaker 1: get this today. Or he's exceptric and he's funny, but
Speaker 1: you know he plays weird games. I mean, Robin Ford
Speaker 1: got mangled up by his weiler's estra Clara. He gave
Speaker 1: up his aunts. Right. He'd make me walk by the
Speaker 1: cave you sit the dog to bite my genitals up.
Speaker 1: I'm going where near you. Yeah, they were like little boys.
Speaker 1: They lived in the in the rooms of the mansion
Speaker 1: with my masters. That's all pour up, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like just the dogs rooms. He had a big place.
Speaker 1: His place was owned by originally owned by J. P. Doherty.
Speaker 1: Dougherty was like one of the guys that was sitting
Speaker 1: on the board of directors with Rocket Brother when Keeddy
Speaker 1: Roll made him split the world up.
Speaker 3: Oh you talk about the mansion that day lives in now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Orange Groves, yes, and that was his
Speaker 1: summer homeies. He's really his winter homes in Pennsylvania where
Speaker 1: the oil was, of course, but it was a beautiful
Speaker 1: place that I mean, it goes but he's still all
Speaker 1: the way down that.
Speaker 4: Weddings, doesn't he.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well he did for a while because it's
Speaker 1: not really financially solid. Well yeah, and then he sold
Speaker 1: his publishing. And that's my question, is word of my
Speaker 1: end of that publishing gets sold? I want something to
Speaker 1: I heard him talk about that. But you know, Dave
Speaker 1: was never a big on promoted when ever since Steve
Speaker 1: I really got a hand up from Dave. He really did.
Speaker 1: I mean, Steve sold more record than Dave did on
Speaker 1: the next record that he was away from him, And uh,
Speaker 1: he didn't ever forget that he was about to help
Speaker 1: anybody else. Really here, I'm going to put you forward.
Speaker 1: He would. He got mad at me. He took away
Speaker 1: all my interviews, all the magazine stuff. So I was
Speaker 1: basically an unknown, as unknown as I was when I
Speaker 1: went in. I went out only the people that knew me,
Speaker 1: the people I knew in the business in New York,
Speaker 1: which is better than the la which I was at
Speaker 1: eight O two of local work. Seven didn't you ship
Speaker 1: for me? Uh? Eight O two got the jobs.
Speaker 3: You had to have thought. You know, when you're chosen
Speaker 3: to be the guitars for Dave's album, you had to
Speaker 3: have thought. You saw what it did for the careers
Speaker 3: of Vibe.
Speaker 1: I figured out I was going to go up a
Speaker 1: couple of wrongs, but then it looked at the Jason Becker.
Speaker 1: I felt bad about picking up where he because he
Speaker 1: was done. Because als is like you said, he went
Speaker 1: across the street, he just stopped, couldn't move, couldn't take
Speaker 1: another step. And you know, he's lived longer anybody I've
Speaker 1: ever heard of with that.
Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing? Yeah, he's uh, how old is he now?
Speaker 1: You only move his eyes.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They gave him a limited time and he is
Speaker 3: still going. A friend of his I've been in contact
Speaker 3: with and interviewed him, and he said, he's such an
Speaker 3: inspiration and he's just.
Speaker 1: Well, he's got a great musical mind. And the thing
Speaker 1: is he balanced the trickery with the musicality where sometimes
Speaker 1: you know, like George Lynch's good buddy of mine, and
Speaker 1: I kind of helped him in the beginning learn how
Speaker 1: to pendulum pick. Georgia. You had to double pick the guitar.
Speaker 1: This is forty five years ago, and I said, try this.
Speaker 1: He was wow, that's you know, back and forth with
Speaker 1: something that somebody showed me, you know, when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, and he's always George has always touted me,
Speaker 1: and he's a great technician, much better technician than I am.
Speaker 1: But the musicality gets a little bit out there, you know,
Speaker 1: the scary stuff. I mean, it's like it's got good totality,
Speaker 1: but the royal.
Speaker 3: Ear on your filthy little mouth. I I want to
Speaker 3: ask you about that because you have such a feel
Speaker 3: on the guitar and when I listened, I was listening
Speaker 3: to that album just today before this interview, just to
Speaker 3: to listen to all the songs that I love, which
Speaker 3: are uh, She's My Machine, Big Train Experience, the title track,
Speaker 3: Land's Edge. You have such a great feel, right, and
Speaker 3: that album is so interesting because it's got like country,
Speaker 3: it's got reggae, it's got jazz, it's got blues country.
Speaker 3: So yeah, what what when you when you sat down
Speaker 3: with him to go over the game plan on that
Speaker 3: What was he saying to you like, here's what we
Speaker 3: want to do because we brought in for the producer
Speaker 3: was right, So what was he saying to you like,
Speaker 3: here's what I'm looking for because your style is so unique,
Speaker 3: it's not like anything else.
Speaker 1: Went back out there with Steve Hunter and did a
Speaker 1: little bit of luck. But Steve, you know, with Mitch
Speaker 1: Ryer to Detroit wiel that he knew that that whole genre.
Speaker 1: And I put a guitar track on top of it
Speaker 1: and did well. But it was a move he was
Speaker 1: trying to get. It was like his art project. And
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I like the hard rock stuff
Speaker 1: and we but in New York it's not really the
Speaker 1: mecca for hard rock and roll. Recording it good, you
Speaker 1: could do it, but the Hit Factory was like, you know,
Speaker 1: we were were going through a transition. They built that
Speaker 1: second factory down on fifty fourth. Remember when the blimp
Speaker 1: fell over the building. A look a propol lock they
Speaker 1: hang off the skyscraper there. It was funny. But with
Speaker 1: Dave's he would get in these moods when said, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to do this and do that and then
Speaker 1: take it this way. And the whole process was fun.
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden writing songs for Travis Trigger.
Speaker 1: I mean there was one weekend I went to New
Speaker 1: York from California three times in the weekend, so do
Speaker 1: one guitar correction. That's how extravagant it got. I mean
Speaker 1: the budget was. This is back in ninety three, you know,
Speaker 1: when it was not the music business was getting ready
Speaker 1: to implode.
Speaker 3: You know, it was a risky move on Day's part
Speaker 3: because we're talking about the climate of music at that time.
Speaker 3: It was grungey arrow, right, you know. So I always wondered.
Speaker 3: I thought maybe he was trying to try different styles
Speaker 3: to see what's going to stick and where he wants
Speaker 3: to go from there.
Speaker 1: You know, downtown, I remember it'suns that boulevard. In those days,
Speaker 1: you couldn't put a flyer on a pole because there
Speaker 1: were so many staples and so many flyers that you
Speaker 1: literally couldn't put anything on a pole that you couldn't
Speaker 1: post handbills, and you were getting in trouble for it.
Speaker 1: I mean they passed the fleet, took me to jail. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they took me to jail, and I had to paint
Speaker 1: off the I had to clean off all the all
Speaker 1: the we were using sticky glue to put our ads
Speaker 1: up for the weekend gags. If you didn't do that,
Speaker 1: if they don't know, they're not going This is pre internet, right,
Speaker 1: But it was a lot of you know, you did
Speaker 1: a lot of canvassing and stuff like that, and Van
Speaker 1: Hallen had all kinds of people doing it for them.
Speaker 1: What made them what they were was Steve Torremanti and
Speaker 1: Bob Ailey's whatever. Torremazi had worked at the Civic Auditorium
Speaker 1: in Pasadena, so he had an inn and they made
Speaker 1: a fortune on Van Helen and they had him there,
Speaker 1: and more ros is looking and going, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: these guys are filling the path of the Pacific and
Speaker 1: are signed acts. Aren't filling up Santa Monica Civic. This
Speaker 1: what garnered the attention. Then Milton Burrow sent his nephew
Speaker 1: and his crooked nephew in there, took all the money
Speaker 1: for the first grant. They came apart. I remember those guys,
Speaker 1: I would say they sacrificed a third of their life.
Speaker 1: Ye sure, it was alis. They did three three hundred
Speaker 1: day tours and three years in a row. So he
Speaker 1: would come home until he had slept in two months,
Speaker 1: I mean, and he every time he got back he
Speaker 1: was even more voracious cocadict, I.
Speaker 3: Mean racious dead. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that they went experimented beyond the Derek where
Speaker 1: they actually were tired of it, you know, yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: Because I remember it really messed at him in Valerie
Speaker 1: up they just did not get along because d would hide,
Speaker 1: you know. And I remember going up there many times
Speaker 1: going did you sleep last night? You wear the same clothes,
Speaker 1: and it just got you start to deteriorate on the
Speaker 1: drug itself. And but I'll tell you what, it never
Speaker 1: really affected his creativity and his guitar plank. It didn't
Speaker 1: it all the time. And he had a you know,
Speaker 1: he had that beautiful board from the one that they
Speaker 1: recorded Ben Huron. Yes, the first night Artist Jury console
Speaker 1: that Don rewired it. You had the big knobs, you know.
Speaker 1: That thing had toned up the butt. You didn't have
Speaker 1: to do anything, just turn it on and go through
Speaker 1: it like magic.
Speaker 3: When was the last time you spoke with Eddie?
Speaker 1: Well, he sent me a bunch of amplifiers for that tour,
Speaker 1: what four fifty one fifty stacks? I think he was
Speaker 1: trying to thumb Dave going here. And I used him
Speaker 1: during the tour and afterwards I wanted to thank him,
Speaker 1: you know, I told him we kind of made amends
Speaker 1: because we had a falling out over certain financial thing
Speaker 1: that I had to have handled and it wasn't being
Speaker 1: handled so you know, it was stupid shit. I mean
Speaker 1: at the time it seemed big. But I saw him
Speaker 1: at the montras the Rock and we talked for about
Speaker 1: half an hour, and he just seemed like he was
Speaker 1: distant here. I mean like he moved on from his
Speaker 1: old friends at Pasadena. There's really nothing that we could
Speaker 1: share that was any more than a laugh. You know,
Speaker 1: they ran different people. I mean, he was in a
Speaker 1: different old boat of you know. I actually I feel
Speaker 1: privileged because I was one of his real friends from
Speaker 1: the old days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when did you first meet him? I'm curious to
Speaker 3: know when you first met him and what was your
Speaker 3: impression of him. He's quiet right in.
Speaker 1: A place called Barry Grassnek when I was thirteen, and
Speaker 1: I knew about him because we came. We played the
Speaker 1: first gig together. My band opened up for his band
Speaker 1: over on Allen Street.
Speaker 3: Ready kill At. It wasn't Ready kill a lot.
Speaker 1: Pre This is when Van Handle was called Trojan Rubber Company. Yeah,
Speaker 1: soon on days who couldn't play the ship And then
Speaker 1: I had two guys that I played with him and
Speaker 1: the guys that played drums. That night, sister threw an
Speaker 1: iron at his face and knocked over his front page
Speaker 1: right out of the Oh my god, and he came
Speaker 1: in smiling like that. We're lapping door and uh he
Speaker 1: We played kind of a funk rock and roll beats
Speaker 1: the who you know. It was like something I wanted
Speaker 1: to put together and play to some standards. But they
Speaker 1: played all cream stuff and only cream. But they did
Speaker 1: it exactly like the record, but the vocals, you know,
Speaker 1: this is we're high school, you know. Then I saw
Speaker 1: him again another gig. We started hanging out and he
Speaker 1: had a Bobul fifty nine vobile one sixty, remember those
Speaker 1: he had like an old tel. They get a cockroach
Speaker 1: back on him, you know, is.
Speaker 3: That the one that he had to tie He had
Speaker 3: to use guitar strings to.
Speaker 1: Car drings to the door. Yeah. I remember driving with
Speaker 1: him down Orange Grove and his girlfriend's in the front seat.
Speaker 1: She gave him a bunch of ship and he stopped
Speaker 1: the car Onwinees to spring on this side both over
Speaker 1: unwind and spring on yanked her out of the street,
Speaker 1: struck the door, gets back and kicked off. Me and
Speaker 1: Alix were sitting in the back seat going, well, you
Speaker 1: better turn around and pick her up, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: funny about everything was like this, even when he was
Speaker 1: a multi millionaire, se got a smoke. Everything was fuck.
Speaker 1: And he even had a Ford mma that fuck you
Speaker 1: know it's for the Ford elbum. He just that was
Speaker 1: his word. He tried to explain people that what you
Speaker 1: have to go through to deal with them. I mean
Speaker 1: they dreaded the record. People dreaded him because you know,
Speaker 1: I talked to Tucker Carlton and we went off with
Speaker 1: Dave's record went off at four hundred and thirty ADS,
Speaker 1: which is like, man, you're going to be rich. And
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, we're gonna make some money. Act right.
Speaker 1: And by the time we got to Kansas City, we've
Speaker 1: done about eleven gigs back East and we're coming back
Speaker 1: in mid Midwest and then going south. Tucker goes, we're
Speaker 1: in trouble underwater here he only got one hundred ADS left.
Speaker 1: I thought, oh fuck. I said, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: be living in a dog kennel instead of owning it. Right.
Speaker 1: He goes, pretty much, well, we know what we were
Speaker 1: in for.
Speaker 3: But well, I remember that tour in the beginning there
Speaker 3: was on the audience.
Speaker 1: Did he yeah, he took it out on the audience.
Speaker 1: And they fucking pelt at us. I mean, Jesus Ri
Speaker 1: Jamie got a lighter in the face, I got a
Speaker 1: shoe on the side of my People were taking her
Speaker 1: clothes off and throwing that. And not because we're popular.
Speaker 1: They have one of those baseball diamond things, you know,
Speaker 1: we're like that I did in that Blues Brother. They
Speaker 1: beat the hell out of it.
Speaker 3: It was quite a risk, though, with the music that
Speaker 3: he recorded on that album, because it wasn't of the time, right,
Speaker 3: and now if you listen to it now, it's it's
Speaker 3: I really urged those who listened to the album back
Speaker 3: then and may have given up on it, listen to
Speaker 3: it now, right, Yeah, without the context of the scene
Speaker 3: of the music at the time, which was grunge, and
Speaker 3: without the expectations of what we were expecting from a
Speaker 3: day of album. Just listened to it as an individual
Speaker 3: piece of work, and it's a real good.
Speaker 1: And that's a good thing to say, because everybody said
Speaker 1: the same thing what I had When I write songs,
Speaker 1: I mean, when I write something on the good I
Speaker 1: tried to make it was like, it wouldn't matter what
Speaker 1: year came out, I'm going to remember something about it.
Speaker 1: If you don't. How can I distinguish myself if I
Speaker 1: was Ever's best friend and I played just like him.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, you played your own style, man. And I'm
Speaker 3: going to tell you this, Jarre, I I really think
Speaker 3: now he did a great job producing it, but I
Speaker 3: wanted you up in the mix more.
Speaker 1: They kept burying me and it was like you had it.
Speaker 1: Garry Taull was a good big guy, but John Goldberger
Speaker 1: was shipping. And these are New York guys. I said,
Speaker 1: look at my demos were better than that record. I mean,
Speaker 1: as far as the vibe, you have to create this
Speaker 1: mundy vibey. Yeah, I ad this and make it into something.
Speaker 1: And that's what Nile Rogers told me. Goes, that's what
Speaker 1: you've got this gig for. Because you could set that
Speaker 1: picture up and then Dave looked like he looked at
Speaker 1: like this, look at I want this. I know exactly
Speaker 1: what he's talking about. I know exactly what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: So I do that. I know allays you was. I
Speaker 1: wanted to go. So here comes the cloud to cover
Speaker 1: the side, and I couldn't, and then the sun comes
Speaker 1: back out. It's like a no big thing.
Speaker 3: It likes like that I'm gonna say, I like that song.
Speaker 3: I have a friend who doesn't. I love no but
Speaker 3: a friend of mine.
Speaker 1: All the classic reggae dropped corrections and stot stuff, and
Speaker 1: it was done well. But you know, and he sings
Speaker 1: it actually pretty good. I mean he's talking about he
Speaker 1: has he's a good lyricist. I'd say some of his
Speaker 1: lyrics are great.
Speaker 3: Well, he was, he was changing his approach lyrically and
Speaker 3: also vocally. He had used a different approach, like he'd
Speaker 3: reached a different octavity.
Speaker 1: Like Michael Franks and Bonnie ray and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I said, I know exactly where you're going. You want
Speaker 1: me to get you there? You gotta get and he
Speaker 1: get mad. I said, look at if you could Grant
Speaker 1: and ray Ball and you want, it's going to take
Speaker 1: ten days to squeeze the thing out to lay this egg.
Speaker 1: While you're done yet, I said, I didn't even started
Speaker 1: the progression yet. I mean, just don't you find something
Speaker 1: he likes that he'd give you. You got to pay it,
Speaker 1: like uh, everybody, every Vin Halen song had a street
Speaker 1: fight man beat to it. The popular that's that's where
Speaker 1: they picked it up. And then al turned kind of
Speaker 1: hot Rod to shuffle on it. You know, I listened
Speaker 1: to Jeff Lacaro Pacarl was brilliant shuffle man. That one
Speaker 1: that he picked up. He took him from his dad
Speaker 1: and John Bonham. He just had that they make it.
Speaker 1: It swung out sown. You mean, it was like a
Speaker 1: like a perfectly firing engine. That's time, the valves are
Speaker 1: working right, you know, it just synchronized. And I thought
Speaker 1: that we had that, uh, But Dave, we had a
Speaker 1: lot of trouble drummers on that record. We had Larry
Speaker 1: Abraman who was the Eastman grad uh he was way
Speaker 1: too stiff, Ray Brinker from uh Pat Banatar's outfit, and
Speaker 1: then Ron Wickso Wixso was probably the most fearless of
Speaker 1: all of them, but he was by no means the
Speaker 1: best one. We had Bob Burch coming on bank. You know,
Speaker 1: Bob chilled himself Elton John De bass player.
Speaker 3: Oh, and he does a fantastic job, Bob.
Speaker 1: David, what do you like? And I told him, Oh,
Speaker 1: why did they always have to be that way?
Speaker 3: And the drums, I mean, everything was it was pristine.
Speaker 1: Production, really great. I missed him, you know you know
Speaker 1: about John right, he was up in Poughkeepsie. That's where
Speaker 1: he was from. Where they go. What's the name of
Speaker 1: that town.
Speaker 3: Up there, peepsie New York, you're talking your.
Speaker 1: Fallow and they lived. He come down in New York.
Speaker 1: But he did a lot of records. He worked for
Speaker 1: Pete Raptor for years.
Speaker 3: Right, And wasn't he on Aces in Acest's band?
Speaker 1: Like all the bass on the record, I know that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, Steve Hunter rhythm guitar on one track. John
Speaker 3: Reagana passed away. Tony was living in Old Redwish, Connecticut.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he was the one song at chevro Lke
Speaker 1: commercial back in the early nineties. Oh wow, didn't drive
Speaker 1: worth ship like.
Speaker 3: Rogers, Yeah, John. John Reagan was an ace Fahilei's band. Yeah,
Speaker 3: aast Phillies comment eighty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, John was a crimch of a guy.
Speaker 3: But getting back to like, yeah, I thought I would
Speaker 3: have loved to hear your in some spots your your
Speaker 3: guitars up in the mix, but you know, and others
Speaker 3: it's it's buried more like a pop record, I guess,
Speaker 3: But your guitar was driving those songs. And then the
Speaker 3: other one I forgot to mention is every Everybody's Got
Speaker 3: the Monkey would have been a single. I thought Ilway
Speaker 3: thought that it would have been a great.
Speaker 1: Well that was Frank Simoner's tune, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was a worthy song. But he just didn't it. He
Speaker 1: was emphasizing trying to sell filthy. You know that that
Speaker 1: one line the title track, right, and then you never
Speaker 1: know which is like a Robert Johnson thing I put together.
Speaker 1: I just had that. He said, mentioned Bonnie Rakers and said,
Speaker 1: I'll give you something that Bonnie rate would do. And
Speaker 1: that was my talent, was I I could lean into that.
Speaker 1: You know, she's more of a country thing, so I'm
Speaker 1: leaning kind of country into it, and it's made a
Speaker 1: different it's giving us a different effect because she comes
Speaker 1: from a whole different place. And that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I wanted. Yeah, because you can't control it, learned from
Speaker 1: you can't control everything, and that's what he has. His
Speaker 1: problem is that he has the control freak and ever
Speaker 1: turned into a control freak. They wanted this, and you know,
Speaker 1: if you look at Samuel with all due respect, when
Speaker 1: Dave's dad called Ben handle up and said, listen, we
Speaker 1: want get back with you guys. You can make real
Speaker 1: money Alex said, with all due respect, we have twelve
Speaker 1: top ten hits with this guy. They went from twenty
Speaker 1: million to seventy million, so there's no disputing it.
Speaker 3: I thought that Dave probably expected to be back before
Speaker 3: the end of the eighties. I don't think he expected
Speaker 3: Sammy to success.
Speaker 1: He did, but when he you know, as you said
Speaker 1: that on stage when they were when Beck was on
Speaker 1: the stage, you know that.
Speaker 3: The artists bade six ninety six mtvv D.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of time. I talked Daddy. He said,
Speaker 1: I want to kick his balls up around his head
Speaker 1: because you know ed him always had. They never got along, no, never,
Speaker 1: and he would listen to him and they but they
Speaker 1: were not after that second tour. Rudy said that by
Speaker 1: the time that nineteen eighty four came out, He said,
Speaker 1: they were all in separate buffets. They didn't speak to
Speaker 1: each other, even.
Speaker 3: The brothers, and who knew right and who knew you know,
Speaker 3: on the outside, all the fans were just thinking, man,
Speaker 3: they must be all happy.
Speaker 1: Is everybody had their own entourage and it's the people
Speaker 1: they could stand to be around on the road. They
Speaker 1: had control off because when you have all that conflicts
Speaker 1: like when we got off, we did Lewis Muno Stadium
Speaker 1: as a kickoff in sam Juan, Puerto Rico. Flew over
Speaker 1: to Miami and here the buses are waiting for us. Well,
Speaker 1: there's an old American Eagle that's got three hundred thousand
Speaker 1: miles on it with you know, tipic bearings that make
Speaker 1: more noise in our waking machine, an old walking machine.
Speaker 1: And then you have the brand new prevow guests who
Speaker 1: gets the prevow to crew in totals But wait, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, that's our feal. So we had to ride
Speaker 1: in the American Eagle and it was like we were
Speaker 1: kind of like the roadings were much better revered than
Speaker 1: we were, you know, theirst season. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: my first tour around the country. I knew what to expect,
Speaker 1: but it's like, my god, it was so cold that
Speaker 1: we had left outside those vestibules up to the gig
Speaker 1: and Dave would be talking to somebody on the bus
Speaker 1: and let us on or something going on like that.
Speaker 1: And me and James who came down with pneumonia like
Speaker 1: the first three weeks in that tour and I had
Speaker 1: about five and a half months. You know, because you
Speaker 1: travel it chills, all the watermen seeing you and you
Speaker 1: got to take We were running for those beach twelve shots.
Speaker 1: I mean, we couldn't get your pants off fast enough,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I told you before we before we started recording,
Speaker 3: I saw you at the Sting in New Britain, which
Speaker 3: is no longer there, the Sting in New Britain, Connecticut.
Speaker 3: That was October of ninety four. I believe I just
Speaker 3: graduated from college. Green Day's Duchie was the big thing,
Speaker 3: and and I just remember my brother and I went
Speaker 3: to see you play there and that that is now
Speaker 3: I think a CVS something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that, you know. I'll tell you another thing.
Speaker 1: There's the funniest thing we started seeing with that on
Speaker 1: the second leg before I quit, there was half the
Speaker 1: crowd there worth it. On the first leg, it just
Speaker 1: wasn't the sales it was. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: his fault. Motley felt Van Halen record fell in the dirt.
Speaker 3: It was a difficult time to be a rock and
Speaker 3: roll band that came out of the seventies or eighties.
Speaker 1: It was like, well, the fun part was when I
Speaker 1: was we never went to a lot of plays. I
Speaker 1: went to ninety they played Gazaaris ninety four times. I
Speaker 1: was there at least sixty five times for that nothing
Speaker 1: to do as a kid. Further, Die would go out
Speaker 1: to Fribady, go down there, and I watched them do
Speaker 1: what they had to do, and it was like they
Speaker 1: worked really hard and they were really poor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had to have known obviously seeing Eddie play, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this guy's going somewhere. But also David, I know what
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 1: Twelve years old. I though him, She's I got some
Speaker 1: work to do, right, And I was more than fair hand.
Speaker 1: I mean because I had guitar experience up the yet end.
Speaker 1: In fact, what's broader than ever ever very but he
Speaker 1: knew what was good back in those days. Listen nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy eight, seven, eight and nine. Guitar was a black art.
Speaker 1: Where's guys that could play it, But we didn't know
Speaker 1: what the hell we were doing. You know, you got
Speaker 1: chromatic scales comminised and all that, and start combining him
Speaker 1: and sliding out of him in and raising the fifth
Speaker 1: and doing whatever. And I just wasn't afraid with ever.
Speaker 1: You had to go balls out even to get close
Speaker 1: to what he was doing. They were a force to
Speaker 1: be reckoned. With and they didn't even know it, you know,
Speaker 1: like they couldn't rehearse at their place loud when they
Speaker 1: got Mike. When Mike got in the band ever to
Speaker 1: mark Stone, there was a studings got you in the
Speaker 1: Hankies and they got jealous and every went out drove
Speaker 1: his cards with their garden and did donuts and the
Speaker 1: link but you know ed was when they played the
Speaker 1: Emler's House. I mean, god, they were bringing two thousand
Speaker 1: people in backyards back then. It was a place, I
Speaker 1: mean huge yard. And when they signed it was like
Speaker 1: I had a free ticket then because they were gone
Speaker 1: and we still have that kind of audience. So we
Speaker 1: we got we reverbed off that for about five years.
Speaker 1: Then we had to go up to find another crowd.
Speaker 1: You know, they were playing Madam Wongs and you know
Speaker 1: with Susie and the Badgies and Dwight Yoakam and a
Speaker 1: lot of people were out there playing for very little money.
Speaker 3: What was your opinion of Michael Anthony. We haven't talked
Speaker 3: about him yet. It seems like a great guy.
Speaker 1: It's the nicest guy in the world. I think Mike
Speaker 1: I stood next to him in one of those Uh
Speaker 1: what is this the like the OLiS like you know,
Speaker 1: the Ace Garden Center. He was buying a hose. I'm
Speaker 1: looking like this. I didn't say nothing to him because
Speaker 1: I've known him so well for some I remember when
Speaker 1: he came in seven late seven too. He was had
Speaker 1: the nice kiss gear was nice. He had a Chevrolet
Speaker 1: Kingswood wagon. You're never now Dragno's vocal cadets.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the cadet.
Speaker 1: He got an opal Cadet wagon that was like. He
Speaker 1: has that mounted on the wall at his house now
Speaker 1: with a deer. He's crazy, you know. And when you
Speaker 1: go up the stairway, you go up the spiral staircase,
Speaker 1: you start walking down the hall to his bedroom. He's
Speaker 1: got at least one hundred platinum records up there. Right.
Speaker 1: He turns around, looked at me and goes cuts down
Speaker 1: on the foreplay. But he was actual first I've ever
Speaker 1: seen he never ever was with a woman. I remember
Speaker 1: him seeing him. Wow, he'd hang out with him, but
Speaker 1: no girl, no woman to possession of that place. She
Speaker 1: had no girlfriend. In fact, I know a girl was
Speaker 1: crazy about him, and I said, don't do what I think
Speaker 1: you're going to do. She followed him in to the gate.
Speaker 1: When the gate opened up, she came in the hard
Speaker 1: behind him. She got chewed out mad for that. Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just like one of those guys he
Speaker 1: called me about. You've got to get down here. I
Speaker 1: be down waiting in the front. He goes, you're the
Speaker 1: inter cones. What are you doing jamping out over there? Look,
Speaker 1: you told me to be here. I rang the bell.
Speaker 3: He's got a room that's dedicated strictly to all of
Speaker 3: his outfits on stage and sunglasses long when he's irritated.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't get his nap, he doesn't get his
Speaker 1: coconut soup in the morning, look out ed Anderson, who
Speaker 1: is liaison. Oh my god, Ed got caught showing his
Speaker 1: underwear on EBD. That was the end of that. And
Speaker 1: Karen mccellen and Migliolti, the guys that were putting together
Speaker 1: his Dave TV or whatever they got, they got him
Speaker 1: for like age discrimination, and I was gonna work with him.
Speaker 1: He want to do ten more songs of me, I said, listen,
Speaker 1: with all due respect. After the DLR bend, I'm not
Speaker 1: really in a hurry to give my music away for nothing.
Speaker 4: Now you have one song you want to put on
Speaker 4: our album.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, it was a song called dirty Work. He
Speaker 1: loved it. I thought, Yo, I'll give it to you,
Speaker 1: but you got to give me ten grand for it,
Speaker 1: and you can put your name on. I don't care
Speaker 1: if you mentioned me, because he's not real good at
Speaker 1: promoting his friends. I mean, ever since Steve. Why he's
Speaker 1: got there's a little ego thing in there. You know,
Speaker 1: a little bit of narcism. All lead singers have it.
Speaker 1: It's called LSD. Lead Singers Disease. No but.
Speaker 3: Present company.
Speaker 1: I think Mike was really short changed by man Hale
Speaker 1: and they turned him into an employee. That was the
Speaker 1: last straw that showed me that, Okay, this guy's gonna
Speaker 1: been with him since the very beginning. He was the
Speaker 1: backbone of their backing vocal squad. You take Mike Anthony
Speaker 1: out there, you ain't got no backing vocals in there.
Speaker 1: He was a great I don't know what you call
Speaker 1: him a tenor, but he the guy could hit the
Speaker 1: notes and he had that pipe like voice. I don't
Speaker 1: think it was really a lead singer's voice. He sang lead,
Speaker 1: but just he complimented Don. Don was no ted Templeman
Speaker 1: saw the what was what their deal was the only
Speaker 1: way and they got away with all that is that
Speaker 1: Letterman style Brooklyn Bridge backing vocals right, Dave put Dave
Speaker 1: could sing along with him, but Ed was Ed's voice
Speaker 1: was plain in tune but plain. You know, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: look at it like it was a lead vocal. And
Speaker 1: I had a lead quality vocal. But I hate singing,
Speaker 1: never liked it. The joy of it means I've got
Speaker 1: to do two jobs. You get paid once.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's gonna on one of the songs.
Speaker 1: When I started singing, we did all the trio stuffs
Speaker 1: you need, chop stuff. After singing, I'd be so inspectorate, exasperate.
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out what solar I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: It took a long time to get used to do.
Speaker 1: Then you just cut if we didn't know what the
Speaker 1: hell we were doing. But in doing that you learn
Speaker 1: how to improvise. I mean, you had a guy come
Speaker 1: over to my house, a black guy that was a
Speaker 1: base at a bass player, ate up all my spaghetti
Speaker 1: and meatballs, book of all the weed, took all my
Speaker 1: money and then show you how to improvise. And he said,
Speaker 1: you know you're too white. You just stepped off the meat.
Speaker 1: And you know, after about eight hours of beating the
Speaker 1: ship out of me, I kind of picked up on it.
Speaker 1: I was better at you know, on the on the
Speaker 1: and I have a good memory. So if I did
Speaker 1: something on the fly that I remember, let's do that.
Speaker 1: But there were bits and pieces back then. You know
Speaker 1: you had to do is get a riff. You were
Speaker 1: bad as I had. There was a lot of gigs,
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities. Van Hanlins weren't around anymore. If
Speaker 1: you want to get anybody that could play cohesively, you're
Speaker 1: going to get my group or Smile or Snow one
Speaker 1: of those guys.
Speaker 3: When did you form Ready to kill a lot?
Speaker 1: Seventy seven seventy six? Yeah, the drummers he passed away.
Speaker 1: I hate that really got to me because he had
Speaker 1: a lot of It was the same thing. He wasn't
Speaker 1: a very good drummer when it came down to it.
Speaker 1: But in those days, we pushed it so hard that
Speaker 1: we were actually kind of lame good. You know, if
Speaker 1: you came to see if you know what you're going
Speaker 1: to get, you're gonna get some good chops. And the
Speaker 1: tone was right, you know it, Ha'd be just so,
Speaker 1: but we really don't what we were doing. I mean
Speaker 1: there was a band of Uncle Sam that played all
Speaker 1: the standards like the led Zeppelin to the Bone and
Speaker 1: Mick uh, you know, Mick Mars. Mick was MC deal.
Speaker 1: He was an a band called White Horse and they
Speaker 1: played Gizar along with Van Allen and they did exact
Speaker 1: copies dancing days, you know, off the you know, they
Speaker 1: did Zepp very well. Mick was a great player, a
Speaker 1: very nice guy. You know, he didn't get happy. You know,
Speaker 1: I asked him, really what it did growth growth girls,
Speaker 1: how much money you made with Motley so far? It
Speaker 1: was about six hundred thousand dollars. I thought, six hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. They gave you grocery money compared to what
Speaker 1: they took, you know. I mean, it's like that's what
Speaker 1: they did to Michael. I mean, how did you feel
Speaker 1: like you were a quarter partner and then they changed
Speaker 1: the deal like three shuffle of deck, go you're an
Speaker 1: employee now, and he shut his mouth and took it.
Speaker 1: You know, that's like sad it is it is they
Speaker 1: did that to him, They go to anybody. I thought, man,
Speaker 1: these guys have changed, and a lot of people that't
Speaker 1: mad about it. A lot of people that were in
Speaker 1: Pasadena that were they're good friends. They just bomb boy eyes.
Speaker 1: We don't see you no more.
Speaker 3: Why do you think they got rid of Nola Monk
Speaker 3: as their manager?
Speaker 1: No, it had it. Noah was a sex pistoles manager.
Speaker 1: That's where he came from because the sex Pickles were
Speaker 1: a bunch of fuck ups and they got all the
Speaker 1: promotional money to take off. When Marshall Borough stole all
Speaker 1: the Van Hale's money, they crawled in under the door,
Speaker 1: according to every he said. Then we had to work.
Speaker 1: And Brick Deringer's wife, Liz Deringer used to write for
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone or something. She said, you guys are going
Speaker 1: down the road wrest her life, and she was right.
Speaker 1: They did, like eighteen fifteen hundred days out there. All
Speaker 1: four records were toured the same. I mean they did
Speaker 1: every possible git they could do well, you do you
Speaker 1: know sometimes two shows a night and then Alex at
Speaker 1: light Trust help Lamna's head to Italy. Bember killed him.
Speaker 1: If you had to be wearing that neck bridge his
Speaker 1: habit of falling off, you know. Dave injured himself. Everard
Speaker 1: broke both of his wrists.
Speaker 3: Dave did a splitting his head on the on the
Speaker 3: disco ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had dangerous, a dangerous trade when you look
Speaker 1: at it like that. They were rough and tumble with
Speaker 1: you know. But when you reach that point where you
Speaker 1: still think you're a kid, but you're forty years old,
Speaker 1: forty two years old, you go about a roller record.
Speaker 1: I was saying, you bite the you bite the rail.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's I don't see how they possibly had the energy.
Speaker 1: It's a different world now, you know.
Speaker 3: Sure, Dave was doing the splits right up until like
Speaker 3: two oh three.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he did it all the way through our situation.
Speaker 1: But I remember that he was paying out about eighteen
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a week for those buses and the crew,
Speaker 1: and it's like, geez, I mean, you better be making
Speaker 1: some money out there, because I see him. Premier talent
Speaker 1: don't exist anymore. There's no map. Pete was with Dave
Speaker 1: all those years at the Picasso Brothers, right, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Heete owns the Black Crows, he's their manager. So he
Speaker 1: had the map and he and he heard the record filthy,
Speaker 1: and he didn't mind me to do with it. I
Speaker 1: was kind of offended. I thought, hey, I did well
Speaker 1: on that. I wrote good songs. It wasn't that. He
Speaker 1: just saw that. David was losing his mind because he said,
Speaker 1: look at you can't portray the stinging kind of a thing.
Speaker 1: You don't have account that Sting does. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not going to be the same cut of thing that
Speaker 1: Sting would put together.
Speaker 3: He cut his hair, looked like, yeah, had that.
Speaker 4: I like.
Speaker 1: What I liked Jay did was his blues. He's great blues,
Speaker 1: but he could have been a great blue singer.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah.
Speaker 1: The cover of the best that he didn't like to
Speaker 1: do at all.
Speaker 3: The cover of Nightlife, Willie Nelson's Knight.
Speaker 1: He did a great job on that, as did you
Speaker 1: and Steve Steve. Steve Hunter was the inspiration for that.
Speaker 1: He goes, uh, I don't know who did the I
Speaker 1: think the solo was done by It was a piano
Speaker 1: solo by champion Jack Dupree, and I transposed it and
Speaker 1: it just had that emotional But there was only a
Speaker 1: few deal a day. You got a few little emotions.
Speaker 1: It was like a circus act. Okay, here's the bunckey.
Speaker 1: You eat these pants now and then binger flip and
Speaker 1: get the poodles.
Speaker 3: Of covering right, Well, does he need somebody like what
Speaker 3: he was with Van Hallen to kind of keep him
Speaker 3: on track?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he got his own advert, but it's.
Speaker 3: Very restless creatively.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there with Tuggle and Jamie and me, and
Speaker 1: we're sitting there and we're the of the core of
Speaker 1: the group, the bass player, guitar player, keyboard player, and
Speaker 1: we're sitting like this. And if the tour the tour
Speaker 1: catalog came out, I said, oh good, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: pictures of us. There wasn't one nothing. There wasn't one
Speaker 1: of us, one of Jamie. You can barely make it
Speaker 1: my way down at the end of the stage and
Speaker 1: it says musicians and the names are like, look at
Speaker 1: I got to put my bivocal dogs. I can see
Speaker 1: what who these people are. Anderson said, what do you
Speaker 1: think of it? I threw it at him, But you
Speaker 1: know we're part of this group, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a phobia for playing average stuff. I had
Speaker 1: to have really have. Jamie's brothers showed me how to
Speaker 1: play jump because like psychological block, I did not want
Speaker 1: to learn his stuff. The magic to me was when
Speaker 1: you know, when I learn Jimmy Henders stuff. I thought,
Speaker 1: that's all it is. It's what you got to put
Speaker 1: the you know, the mojo on it. And that's what
Speaker 1: we had in the old days. We don't have that now.
Speaker 1: I mean I still have a little bit of it,
Speaker 1: but you know, the mojo we can put the like.
Speaker 1: Warren was the same way. He told me, this is
Speaker 1: Warren's philosophy about the music and this. He said, take
Speaker 1: all your money to get cash it out everything cars,
Speaker 1: to hold the old all your instruments, he said, go
Speaker 1: to Las Vegas and wrapped. He said, you had a
Speaker 1: lot better chance of making them in the music pits
Speaker 1: because they also had Marshall Burrow, you know, so they
Speaker 1: took a hit too. But Warren didn't have to worry
Speaker 1: about that because he's one of the heirs of the
Speaker 1: Morris candy forks even do anything to worry about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he heard about that man and he's a great player.
Speaker 1: Milton and Martin. I don't know his dad was Milton
Speaker 1: or Martin, but he's always handled his money. Well it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Mormon was the guy that first got to give me
Speaker 1: a break. I got royalty, my first royalty money from
Speaker 1: a rat Detonator album.
Speaker 3: They which son which all or nothing?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Nothing? Oh okay, that's my rip.
Speaker 1: He you know Warrimons. He mentioned me in magazines all
Speaker 1: the time. He's a very generous guy, and I've been
Speaker 1: to his house many times. You know, his kids are
Speaker 1: all grown now, but I remember when they first moved
Speaker 1: up on Laurel. He was very nice. You know, he's
Speaker 1: been with the same woman for years. She he was
Speaker 1: a rock and roll photographer. And he's a very even temperate,
Speaker 1: nice guy. You know, he really is. He helped people,
Speaker 1: you know, he financed a lot of my recordings back then.
Speaker 1: A Silver Clown Joe Floyd the Warrior Band. He was
Speaker 1: also a great player. Joe was a great mix Maan.
Speaker 1: You know, you learned to pick up stuff all the
Speaker 1: way along. I used to go like people to walk
Speaker 1: come in and get any compressors because I don't know
Speaker 1: how to use one. Can learn. It's fun, you know,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. What the hell I grabbed that
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars guitar for and I didn't pull by
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars focus right, didn't get the hell out
Speaker 1: of that rack and take it and put it in
Speaker 1: the trunk. You don't think of that when alse burned down?
Speaker 3: Did you show Eddie finger tapping or that was that?
Speaker 1: Well? Chris Holmes a wasp, actually was responsible for it
Speaker 1: because I was giving Chris lessons at a music store
Speaker 1: right here, at discount here Madre and Chris saw me
Speaker 1: getting the beef of the guy. I traded him less
Speaker 1: Paul for a sixty five number five fire, which I
Speaker 1: wasn't about the track. You wanted it back, I said,
Speaker 1: now you're going to box for it. Beat the shit
Speaker 1: out of the guy. Drip goes man, you know how
Speaker 1: to fight? I said, both guys are? They were school kids,
Speaker 1: and he goes, uh, you know, my friend Don Ivers
Speaker 1: got to fight with Harvey Mandel's son at a school.
Speaker 1: I thought, well, why are you telling me? He because
Speaker 1: I know where he lives, and I worshiped hard of me.
Speaker 1: I thought he was one of the greatest players of
Speaker 1: the early seventies. You know he had he just developed
Speaker 1: that second hand you know thing he would do. He
Speaker 1: would do chords like that and he got that kind
Speaker 1: of a freestyle. Didn't but he didn't take it where
Speaker 1: edd took it, but he looked. He showed me how
Speaker 1: to do it. I said, well, that's cool, but I
Speaker 1: didn't think nothing of it. I thought of first, if
Speaker 1: you put your fingers down, I's going to make knowing right.
Speaker 1: And I thought, what's a good trick. I use it for, like,
Speaker 1: you know, stupid little things. But Ed picked up on
Speaker 1: it with a vengeance, and he hated two things. He
Speaker 1: didn't like doing that, and he didn't like playing stratocasters,
Speaker 1: so he reparated everything with you know, that's the second
Speaker 1: hand thing where he really extrapolated. You know, but it's
Speaker 1: so used now that I wouldn't dare do it. When
Speaker 1: he went to Tremlo bar I used to play a
Speaker 1: strat he went to a Tremolo bar I went back
Speaker 1: to left Paul because you know, I had a responsibility.
Speaker 1: I was his friend. I didn't want to be identified
Speaker 1: like some little clone total that, you know, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Sure you want to be you know.
Speaker 1: However, goofy that was, and I would rather have mine
Speaker 1: than somebody else's, you know, Like I told Davis, I
Speaker 1: rather did tap it in my own rowboat. That'd be
Speaker 1: a first mate on your on your battleship. Sure you
Speaker 1: know he doesn't have the same kind of vibe as
Speaker 1: a guitar player, no guitar. I gave him the classical
Speaker 1: single one thirty two that he uses on stage. But
Speaker 1: I can't figure out why he doesn't stretch out a
Speaker 1: little bit and do something different, you know, because the
Speaker 1: Van Halen thing is that that's all you're gonna be
Speaker 1: known for. I would not want to play that zep
Speaker 1: into eternity. Songs are great, but you know it just
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I could really camp up, jump
Speaker 1: and go through all that big deal, you know. So
Speaker 1: I just played at real stock like alplays it and
Speaker 1: those guys got a gravey gig. We had a hard gig.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of more emoltual stress.
Speaker 3: You I mean, oh, I would think, because that was
Speaker 3: a difficult tour. As you said, it's.
Speaker 1: My business class one way and then go on a
Speaker 1: tallecar the way out.
Speaker 3: But you have your own tone. How would you describe
Speaker 3: your tone? It's got a really cool feel to it.
Speaker 1: Ed used one hundred Watch, and I didn't only like
Speaker 1: the Marshals like I liked the high Watch script logos.
Speaker 1: You know. The fifties real hard to find, and we
Speaker 1: used to go to Nadine's music store. It a big
Speaker 1: fat guy there that played guitar, and I liked it.
Speaker 1: Give eat stuff a flying V down into his pocket
Speaker 1: to go this is I got to play one of these,
Speaker 1: and I said, I like that market because you got
Speaker 1: to hear the script logo. And I was fifty dollars
Speaker 1: short of getting it, so I went way out of
Speaker 1: the limb getting fifty bucks to buy the Marshall's four hundred.
Speaker 1: I got that one, and I strake another four to
Speaker 1: fifty up for the high Watch. The tone I have
Speaker 1: was undeniably good, and Harmony had given me an EP
Speaker 1: one at two echo Plex, which was a big part
Speaker 1: of that because preampt the amps and then uh then
Speaker 1: we started using advantide. That was like, wow, I've got
Speaker 1: this godlike tone. It was fun for backyards. It worked
Speaker 1: a lot of places, but then the bigger the places
Speaker 1: were the rest it would work because you got these
Speaker 1: big rooms, you know we've got. We played some horrible
Speaker 1: rooms to gymnasiums, they said, gigs up everywhere. The best
Speaker 1: places to play really were outdoors, which you could play
Speaker 1: so fucking loud and get a mix of some sort.
Speaker 1: And everybody struggled with PA system somebody could get a
Speaker 1: more powerful That's why Van Helen got Dave, because he
Speaker 1: had an eight to fifty acoustic type and then they
Speaker 1: upgraded it to what were those out the out the
Speaker 1: alt tech twelve forties or wherever they were was the theaters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're so desperate that we went to Blair High School.
Speaker 1: But got my manager and we crawled up the sports
Speaker 1: towers and took the radiator slots of Big JBOL radio
Speaker 1: slots out of the out of the public address for
Speaker 1: the games. Well wrote them down and built the cabinet
Speaker 1: form down. You don't we use it for a head.
Speaker 1: I used one hundred and twenty what Matt app.
Speaker 3: But I hear what I listened to Ready Kill Awtt.
Speaker 3: Just the one song is available online Liquid Lady, and
Speaker 3: I listened to you Filthy Little Mouth or your songs
Speaker 3: on de l R band. It's pretty pretty similar, right,
Speaker 3: I mean it's pretty consistent.
Speaker 1: Well, I always choose, like you know with Nile Rodgers,
Speaker 1: Nile Ahead so much money, I mean sick, I said,
Speaker 1: I need a telecaster for everybody's got the monkeys. That's
Speaker 1: what I felt that that would be the best, best
Speaker 1: sounding thing because Dave wasn't let me use my ordance,
Speaker 1: and they brought a Neve Kelso in which I said,
Speaker 1: anything you could fart to one of those things. They
Speaker 1: sound great, but I played it. I said, well, I
Speaker 1: want a telecast because what year you want? What do
Speaker 1: you mean? Because I got all the years, I mean
Speaker 1: for nineteen fifty one broadcaster, all the way down to
Speaker 1: a sixty five. I said, give me a fifty eight.
Speaker 1: He goes, and you go get into fifty eight. Comes out.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful blonde fifty eight so powerful, I mean,
Speaker 1: ten times more gain than a regular telecaster. And I
Speaker 1: dailed it. You know, it was an easy thing, he said,
Speaker 1: he goes, it's a van healing song. Basically, Frank built
Speaker 1: it like a van healing song, right, that interesting timing,
Speaker 1: But for some reason it didn't fly. Kept trying to
Speaker 1: get you'd never know to do it, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was a little left to center, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. They loved that record. A lot of
Speaker 1: people really liked it, and I liked it, but it
Speaker 1: was we had a hell of a time playing some
Speaker 1: of them, like you're breathing. It was, you're bringing us
Speaker 1: a brilliant thing. We turned into a rap song. I thought,
Speaker 1: this is not working for me. You know, it was
Speaker 1: its own preference. It couldn't deal. But you know I
Speaker 1: did that record four months and it took it three
Speaker 1: years to finish it. I just sat around on payroll,
Speaker 1: you know, just going well. Some day they get ste.
Speaker 3: And think about how much music had changed from ninety
Speaker 3: one to ninety four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know that's the thing. By time
Speaker 1: to get taught up. I understood the business en it
Speaker 1: was ICM. William wore ICM premiere. They'll put you on
Speaker 1: the map, they'll take you out. You don't even the
Speaker 1: companies leaving loaning the money to go on these tours,
Speaker 1: but you got to pay it back. And if you
Speaker 1: have got poor you know response, and you don't have
Speaker 1: people out there canvassing that ship out of it, which
Speaker 1: think were doing. When the Segrums did that buy out,
Speaker 1: it was like it was over right there. I had
Speaker 1: a deal lined up with David Geffen and it was
Speaker 1: just when dead flat that day, it was over.
Speaker 3: Wow, Geffen.
Speaker 1: I had to grow another group together that was pretty good.
Speaker 1: I'm Chris Iman on Base and Mike Sodo and Drugs
Speaker 1: that we were tight. We had a really cool sound.
Speaker 1: But you know, it was getting the point where it's like,
Speaker 1: she how long am I to keep selling the snake oil.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like the old days. We played ready to
Speaker 1: Kill a watch we ape shit. You know, I played
Speaker 1: a solo. I just rolled by the back of my
Speaker 1: head like a great white shark and start biting. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You do it. People thought it
Speaker 1: was brilliant because it really was. You hadn't tried to
Speaker 1: make it sound good. You know, I participated more in
Speaker 1: my own style that I do now. You know, because
Speaker 1: you get wider, you have to be virtual. With Dave,
Speaker 1: You've got to be really virtual to get anything out
Speaker 1: of it because he has good background in music.
Speaker 3: He really does. Man, Yeah, he's got an appreciation.
Speaker 1: He said, I want you to listen to this record.
Speaker 1: Just I knew what he was doing, you know. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'd always admired Angus Young. He said he's the best
Speaker 1: of the best, because how can you beat a c
Speaker 1: DC right?
Speaker 3: Him and Wolfgang always listened to power Age.
Speaker 1: I think that was the I thought Motley Crue many
Speaker 1: times because I Rudy toured with him and I know
Speaker 1: him bick real well. I sold him the sixty seven
Speaker 1: flex he used on girls, Girls Girls. I hated it
Speaker 1: and he looked because it's the Jose bod right, and
Speaker 1: Jose was like his moods were like radio shack, but
Speaker 1: they were brilliant. You remote standby. I mean, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: need that for a garage band. So Mick flaying and
Speaker 1: that's not a lot of times. Mortley Crue was way
Speaker 1: better than Ben Hill and life way better, much better,
Speaker 1: show better because Van Haim was so fucking loud. I
Speaker 1: mean we played the decimal beater night. It was one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty two. That's like sticking her head into
Speaker 1: a terrible fan motor on takeoff. You know, it makes
Speaker 1: you hurt. And it was like a gunfight every night
Speaker 1: to come out there and just go god, it was
Speaker 1: it was a it was a trial in it, you know.
Speaker 1: And they could see. I wasn't happy because just like
Speaker 1: do we have to play beautiful girls? And like we
Speaker 1: have to play one of the devil? I mean, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I felt like, I'm just we're playing a top forty
Speaker 1: set and then Tuggled was that's exactly what this is.
Speaker 1: I thought, Well, I didn't sign up for that ship
Speaker 1: but want that. Yeah, but it was went to Japan,
Speaker 1: we get a record. We played one gig and a
Speaker 1: half earlier the record available. They had a record that
Speaker 1: made that's amazing. They were selling our records, live records.
Speaker 3: They were selling Oh wait, I think I heard I
Speaker 3: think that surface down line.
Speaker 1: Wow that mister Udo was not happy with the ticket sales.
Speaker 1: And mister Udo, if you don't know mister Hudo, you
Speaker 1: don't play in Japan at all. He's Jackos. I mean
Speaker 1: he runs that racket and all the coke and secret
Speaker 1: hauls are ident goal. We played Hanshu Kiashu and we
Speaker 1: were down in Hiroshima, all the way up into the
Speaker 1: Order provinces, and you could not tell the difference between
Speaker 1: one hall and the next. Exactly the same bathrooms with
Speaker 1: the wow journals that are in the ground that are
Speaker 1: a little different thing.
Speaker 3: Hey, before I forget Mississippi Power, that is a B side.
Speaker 3: You're on that one, right, Yeah, Okay, that was not wrote.
Speaker 1: That was Preston Sturgis, the director you know from Travels
Speaker 1: and she was a famous thirty forties director.
Speaker 3: That would have been a great addition to the album.
Speaker 1: Preston Junior wrote that song.
Speaker 3: How about that.
Speaker 1: It was originally called Lighting Strikes by Buick.
Speaker 3: Wow, Tippy, do you think it should have been on
Speaker 3: the album?
Speaker 1: It was? I thought it was. We played it right
Speaker 1: along with the rest of the roster. I mean, we
Speaker 1: had all fourteen up and I did it. Stephen Connor
Speaker 1: came in with wanting me and Frank came back to
Speaker 1: another way. It was cruel. Obsession didn't make it. And
Speaker 1: I even see the stuff that I did with the
Speaker 1: business that's getting records out there. It's got I'm going
Speaker 1: to kill the guy in the car in front of
Speaker 1: me and what was it called? There were there's a
Speaker 1: set of tunes that I give with them. Uh, actually
Speaker 1: John Lowry record, I'd be about Topega. And that's where
Speaker 1: Dave went and did his demos. You know, there were
Speaker 1: twenty four track demos, but he did. I said, why
Speaker 1: why don't we use the visitants for the rhythm section?
Speaker 1: He goes, Now, they're too clinical? The hell does that mean?
Speaker 1: Because you know we're going to New York and not
Speaker 1: even know who but Bayslaer and Bumba I'm gonna play
Speaker 1: with the day I met him, we got the first tracks,
Speaker 1: I thought, this is not very organic.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, you would preferred to play some gigs
Speaker 3: with him, at least a few, right, so.
Speaker 1: Many drummers that would be and James were absolutely burned
Speaker 1: out by the time, of course storage because we had
Speaker 1: we had rehearsed every drummer. He fired one and fire another.
Speaker 1: We got four drummers, so it was like we had
Speaker 1: to go through a whole roster. And he wanted us
Speaker 1: to rehearse twelve hours a day. I said, you could
Speaker 1: get me in there for twelve hours, but I'm gone
Speaker 1: in three. You just don't have the head room that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. You know.
Speaker 3: What's your opinion of Dave's vocals live? There is always
Speaker 3: this idea that fans will say, well, let me put
Speaker 3: it this way. When he when he came back in
Speaker 3: seven to Van Halen that tour, his voice sounded really,
Speaker 3: really good, like it almost sound like he was doing
Speaker 3: something you want smoking so much bot okay, because but then,
Speaker 3: but when you go back to the.
Speaker 1: Last juice of his youth, because he did not do
Speaker 1: that well with us on the d l R, I
Speaker 1: mean a d l R man. I didn't feel that
Speaker 1: his live performances were really up to snuff. He had
Speaker 1: some bad times with their bomb factory and the bomb factory,
Speaker 1: the bomb factory in Dallas was horrible. It's like, you
Speaker 1: know what, it's like Glorious Swanson when she finally gets
Speaker 1: in front of the camera. You know when Cecil b.
Speaker 1: Demillgo's action. You know, it's like she wants to do
Speaker 1: a player Salomi, but she wants to be in every scene. Dormy,
Speaker 1: it can't be in every to you, why not?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: You know, It's like I think it's kind of a
Speaker 1: privilege of the rich. I have oil wells pumping and pumping.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't it for but money for all of us,
Speaker 1: you know. And Dave was never really a really generous guy.
Speaker 1: I mean we'd be driving down Melroad to go through
Speaker 1: a fashion disaster. I said, Okay, what do you want
Speaker 1: me to do? Pull over one of those slanky joints
Speaker 1: on Melrods that's got like ten shirts in there and
Speaker 1: all eight hundred dollars apiece. He closed his door and
Speaker 1: I got a big yellow blue house shirt going. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't wear this to a dog fight if I was
Speaker 1: a state.
Speaker 3: Cham Yeah, he wears some crazy outfit like.
Speaker 1: The way I dressed, and like the way Jamie dressed
Speaker 1: because we didn't. There was a theater touch. If you're
Speaker 1: dressed like a rock star, you would have wear that
Speaker 1: when you have breakfast. It's just to wait rest. But
Speaker 1: it was so confusing because we had gone through the eighties.
Speaker 1: Everybody had poofy hair and Jaguar pants and light shirts,
Speaker 1: and we starved, so we looked like we were coming
Speaker 1: out of concentration. Can't and that was the look. And
Speaker 1: then I'm plenty of cocaine and stuff, screw up your music.
Speaker 1: So everybody was waiting for the after party. Nobody gave
Speaker 1: a shit about the gig anymore. That's what that happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mantra to Rock dangerously close to dying because
Speaker 1: they were just doing so much, so much, and you
Speaker 1: know the people said they weren't doing They were doing
Speaker 1: more than anybody and I you know, regular civilians, we
Speaker 1: couldn't afford to do it. Those guys didn't, thank god.
Speaker 1: So you feel kind of left out as your friends
Speaker 1: move on, and but you know, and would come over
Speaker 1: and he goes once you got me driving his Lamborghini
Speaker 1: want like you know, I got in it and the
Speaker 1: top of the things first, crushing my head down like
Speaker 1: what you could tell the things that Talian is the
Speaker 1: legs are real short, and the wheels about ten feet away.
Speaker 1: That gorilla could drive it really good. You know, he
Speaker 1: had a lot of nice stuff that I appreciate it,
Speaker 1: but I mean material stuff only goes so far. Sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the cooch will destroy a singer's voice.
Speaker 1: Right, oh, to say the least. And that I wasn't
Speaker 1: just cocing a lot of alcohol too, and alcohol does
Speaker 1: not improve your beauty. Plus a cigarettes yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Ed was basically living on. His food was McDonald's classic cheeseburgers,
Speaker 1: orange label bos and they were all over the lounge
Speaker 1: all the time. I just thought, man, how do you
Speaker 1: eat that shit? I couldn't eat McDonald's after nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 1: It's like I thought it was like sheep dip. It
Speaker 1: did taste right to me. You know. It turns out
Speaker 1: that twenty one percent of their product is paraffin wax.
Speaker 1: So if you want to make the candle on yourself
Speaker 1: and just took a wick up here, I think you
Speaker 1: meet McDonald turn into a candle. But you know he
Speaker 1: didn't didn't take care of himself. It hijr teeth fell
Speaker 1: out you know a lot of the stuff that goes
Speaker 1: to being a junkie.
Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, very sad. It was good though. He got
Speaker 3: his leg, he got his hes, got himself together by
Speaker 3: the end there.
Speaker 1: But you know, he made a joke out of it.
Speaker 1: Back then, my bass layer said, we had a song
Speaker 1: called I knew a guy named Ed. The son goes up,
Speaker 1: Folly go to bad. He dipped the crypt. He got
Speaker 1: a little studio called fifty one fifty. We're doing a wrap.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 1: He was doing that. Look look what's coming in from
Speaker 1: the inside. You know that what on this next? Man? Helen? Oh,
Speaker 1: you ate one too. Had a lot of my influence
Speaker 1: on him, really that that was one of my tunes
Speaker 1: and he just he bagged it and get out. He
Speaker 1: never mastered, He never used a master. He recorded my
Speaker 1: master's on a cassette tape and it got lost because
Speaker 1: it was on one of his motorcycles. I thought, my god,
Speaker 1: where my life's worked?
Speaker 3: Wow? You know you couldn't put so black and blue
Speaker 3: was your rests?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Remember yeah, the Angels? Remember Angels? That band? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: Barry the drummer. Ed wanted to hire me. Everyvery goes
Speaker 1: fuck you, I know, you are your sheeps getting he
Speaker 1: refused to work for him. Walt Woodbard, from a Marcaid
Speaker 1: and bat down in New Jersey, was a good friend
Speaker 1: of mine. He said, I'm not working for him, but
Speaker 1: he yells at everybody. Because he came to visit me
Speaker 1: at the Hit Factor. You wouldn't let hi in and
Speaker 1: I I was married at the time. My wife went
Speaker 1: down there wearing this georgia and never smelled good on her.
Speaker 1: He threw a right fuck out of the studio. She
Speaker 1: had to go bathe and change. Did not put that
Speaker 1: georgia on get back in here. He didn't have Dave
Speaker 1: did not spare the mustard on anybody. I'd been being
Speaker 1: a restaurant with him and somebody up something, I'd just
Speaker 1: be like, oh, the poor person, and the whole live.
Speaker 1: We used to go to burg Continental and all the
Speaker 1: places around town, and they're all gone. Now it's funny.
Speaker 1: I see him now and again. He takes a bicycle
Speaker 1: riding few pedals, real slow, like an old man got
Speaker 1: farm crow. And one day we had a little dispute
Speaker 1: over a check and he heard me screech up. The
Speaker 1: inter comes on and I said, Dave. He goes yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, I took her off and there was checks
Speaker 1: in my veil box the next day. He almost, you
Speaker 1: were a boy. So it's like they're not really concerned
Speaker 1: about We're not trying to get you your money. It's like,
Speaker 1: but the point you saved me is that Jay Mortgagestern,
Speaker 1: who was affiliate all the way back to the Tiffany
Speaker 1: label Columbia. He ran a company that would track your
Speaker 1: money for you, and we give really well at Black Finland,
Speaker 1: black Box and uh, you know the Benelux Country and stuff.
Speaker 1: One guy had one seven percent of the song goes, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to track my mind. So he said, well
Speaker 1: you can call the Benelex Country. They put you on
Speaker 1: a hold. They think how many records and soul not
Speaker 1: a very efficient way to collect money. And he wanted
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars to do this for me. And I
Speaker 1: had ten grand left in the bank and I had
Speaker 1: still a bought a house, and I thought, man, it's
Speaker 1: a leap of faith, like you don't believe. It ended
Speaker 1: up yielding like eighty five thousand dollars out of it.
Speaker 1: So I was lucky. You have somebody tracked your money
Speaker 1: for you in Europe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said on the TV CBS that did this
Speaker 3: segment on you that if it wasn't for Dave, you
Speaker 3: wouldn't have had that home in Altadena.
Speaker 1: Probably not, because it gave me of lucidity to buy
Speaker 1: really basically for cash and do not have a big
Speaker 1: mortgage fing because I could get time to get up,
Speaker 1: which they did. You know, there was a whole lot
Speaker 1: of music money and music pis. You could make a
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a month gigging, and I had a kid,
Speaker 1: little girl. I had to do something. So the way
Speaker 1: I look at it is like it was providence that
Speaker 1: did it. And basically how he learned about Dave talking
Speaker 1: about AAR record CHR two different animals. CHR is elephant bucks,
Speaker 1: that's uh, Barry Manilow, that's really now and that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. And Ar's album oriented deep tracks and stuff,
Speaker 1: which is I don't trust my own judgment if I
Speaker 1: like a song, and probably best to steer away from
Speaker 1: it because it's going to be a deep track, you know,
Speaker 1: like those are my oh, def Leppard. I listened to
Speaker 1: Billy Got a gudget, Like the way the guitar me
Speaker 1: is better than Piromania, I mean title track, and I
Speaker 1: get stuck down there a lot times. Those are the
Speaker 1: very deep stuff, you know, the cap beyond uh You're.
Speaker 3: God Captain with uh yeah with Rod Uh. Wow, that's
Speaker 3: so cool you mentioned that. Yeah, Rod Evans from from
Speaker 3: Deep Purple, whose things on Hush the Prost.
Speaker 1: The Doctor where glennielga Venist about ten miles from yere.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's such a great album. They only made one album,
Speaker 3: I think, but oh they did to.
Speaker 1: The first one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that first one is.
Speaker 1: A bunch of guys that got together and smoked pot.
Speaker 1: It was Mike Pinera and Ryango on guitars, but he
Speaker 1: used the telecat to the Marshalls and he crimped it
Speaker 1: way up. Had a really neat staccato, kind of a
Speaker 1: weird sound. I never heard Telly get All. Little tricks
Speaker 1: like that should not be used. Those big Thori amps incredible.
Speaker 3: What was the talk around ton about Montrose that first album?
Speaker 1: That was an impactuous record. I mean, Monny Montrose was
Speaker 1: RNI would do. He was a very sparse player, but
Speaker 1: that was a goddamn good record. Everybody loved it. It
Speaker 1: was really the closest thing to rock and roll you
Speaker 1: could get at seventy five and where they only come
Speaker 1: out at night. Remember, yep, Wrecked Eringer just do a
Speaker 1: lot of credit. He Derenger is one of the best
Speaker 1: guitar players out there for a time because he went
Speaker 1: through South Salvador single string studies he had. They're legitimate
Speaker 1: chops and uh he doesn't look like that ever. Really
Speaker 1: burned him down. But we all played Rick Deringer stuff.
Speaker 1: He was to be respected. I thought it was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Lee van Millen did rock and roll, Hucci
Speaker 3: cou in the clubs.
Speaker 1: Johnny was really the fascination, you know he was. He
Speaker 1: would sign the biggest record contract of all the time.
Speaker 1: But they have to keep putting this tool live and
Speaker 1: well and rock and roll. WoT you cool? On every
Speaker 1: record he did?
Speaker 3: Still living great?
Speaker 1: John Datson Winner was a great record that I could play.
Speaker 1: And he lived in Connecticut, really but he passed away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Okay, in front of mine. They live in Fairfield County,
Speaker 1: which is right across you know, just right next door
Speaker 1: to New York. Yeah, yeah, right, Connecticut.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The dad was a public defender and he said, man,
Speaker 1: he goes Johnny Winner lived alloy.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, and you hook? Oh my god, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right near where I worked at the radio station
Speaker 3: nine ninety five was in Danbury. I've worked there for
Speaker 3: many years.
Speaker 1: German, Irish or Italian? Who me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I'm I would be Senach is part Ukrainian,
Speaker 3: Irish and Italian. My mother's maiden name is Mango.
Speaker 1: I mean Sugard as much.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: My mom's name was Capelletti and they were My dad
Speaker 1: was Southern Baptist, so there we had a wild ausehold.
Speaker 1: But they all were Italians that came. My grandpa came
Speaker 1: over twenty three, so I'm only two generations out of
Speaker 1: that could get European citizenship because my grandpa came over
Speaker 1: on the sat at Ellis Island for a couple of months.
Speaker 1: He was a Matthew musician. He was a woodwind player.
Speaker 1: He played the or film all the time. Reminded me
Speaker 1: we were day. The most violent gig I ever played
Speaker 1: was at the Avalon in Boston. Oh yeah, count those
Speaker 1: people at Boston p Rock so he beat the shit
Speaker 1: out of each other. It was about seven girls and
Speaker 1: three thousand guys or something. It wasn't a pretty sight.
Speaker 3: And don't wear a New York Yankees hat in Boston.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Winter a young gang. I mean they were
Speaker 1: all wearing a leather and it's like it was like
Speaker 1: we went back in time and we played the Theater
Speaker 1: of Living Arts in Pennsylvania, which was kind of cool.
Speaker 1: But uh, most of the gigs we played were like
Speaker 1: jads and movie theaters and Bowling Alley. That's where where
Speaker 1: it was going in ninety four. And I think that
Speaker 1: Motley Crue when they had John Krabbie. I know John well,
Speaker 1: he said it just wasn't working on tour. They would
Speaker 1: looking at the numbers.
Speaker 3: The math was and that's a great album that we
Speaker 3: did with Mortley Crue.
Speaker 1: Everybody had a failing record that year. We got defaulted
Speaker 1: for it because we got bumped from Warner Brothers down
Speaker 1: to the Atlantic at the tith of death for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was was it Warner Reprise?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Was that what it was? The label.
Speaker 1: Was on it when when Ergon had it, But we
Speaker 1: got would put in a Snaptraus company with Touchwood and
Speaker 1: the distribution company ched the ship out of We're getting
Speaker 1: money out of it all. It's just it's a music vinds.
Speaker 1: You can't I don wouldn't get upset about it. I
Speaker 1: mean I remember walking around being all bitter than that.
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm gonna let this get to me. Everybody
Speaker 1: gets ripped off. I think Jean Fogerty, they really got
Speaker 1: his head. That's where Advance can't dance. But it's still
Speaker 1: your mon. Remember that one.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you said you stole your own song? Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was Salt sal Zantce.
Speaker 1: I was most impressed with Dave's work on D L R. Band.
Speaker 3: I really was never what you Yeah, let's talk about
Speaker 3: that he did. And I'm going to tell you one
Speaker 3: of my favorite, maybe my favorite songs that you did
Speaker 3: with Davis black sand What do you know? What can
Speaker 3: you tell us about that song? How did that come up?
Speaker 1: Well? That was Erwin Muster's production. She got Urwin, who
Speaker 1: just did Van Hallen. Erman's done Paco Dalasia. He's done
Speaker 1: the Scorpions from one record to the first to last.
Speaker 1: And he came in and he was a German, very German.
Speaker 1: So all the fifty seven serman De said, I are
Speaker 1: four twenty one. It was a really industrial down. We
Speaker 1: had Ray Luzier on drums, who was.
Speaker 3: Great, phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was this is backer. He's a skinny the
Speaker 1: little guy. I said, where'd you come fan? He goes, well,
Speaker 1: my dad's a farmer. He said, I wasn't any good
Speaker 1: at farming, So play the drums and he got right
Speaker 1: as soon as the herb. He said, get this guy.
Speaker 1: And John Lowry played on it too. I was he
Speaker 1: was in the studio when I was there. Uh, And
Speaker 1: John had like fifty one telecatchers and I left my
Speaker 1: fifty three in there and he ended up using it.
Speaker 1: He kissed me off. But you got fifty telegu you
Speaker 1: got to use mine, I said, Dave, I told you
Speaker 1: touch my guitars. I let it go. But it was
Speaker 1: interesting because David was trying to intervene on the solo.
Speaker 1: And remember Muster goes, look, he goes, you bade me
Speaker 1: to produce a record? Get out? And Terry said, you know,
Speaker 1: we got a guy here. He's got a bash to
Speaker 1: read harmony. Why don't we use him? That would be me.
Speaker 1: I got some cal arts, so Urban got with me,
Speaker 1: and that's the first song I ever felt that anybody
Speaker 1: produced correctly. He completely changed the whole song. All the
Speaker 1: changes there, all the parts were there, but he rearranged it,
Speaker 1: kind of tacked it together. Should go Home, learn this.
Speaker 1: I thought, I gotta do a good solo for this,
Speaker 1: and the solo was good, but if I didn't know
Speaker 1: what he was listening to it, what I liked about it, it
Speaker 1: was just scant my toes on the nose, a bunch
Speaker 1: of bullshit. You really vindicated himself in that first record,
Speaker 1: Going Places very good too. We get that ocean and
Speaker 1: we get it at Royal and the twelve string guitar ship.
Speaker 1: What makes me manage that? John five got all the
Speaker 1: credit for the hard flying. You know I did all
Speaker 1: the hard stuff like that's the end was a strip
Speaker 1: clubs to this day.
Speaker 3: You read my mind. Lose the dress, keep the shoes, Yeah,
Speaker 3: lose the dress, keep the shoes. Man great too.
Speaker 1: Well the song the original Devil. That thing is badass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: David loved it. I thought, okay, we got that one down,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I had a bunch of other songs. We
Speaker 1: got to five of them. John did seven and I did.
Speaker 1: I gugged in on weekend with the babysitter and fixed
Speaker 1: that form. Yes, before we get that little whispering party.
Speaker 1: The dynamics are cool. John's a great player, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't have forty years of marination. Basically, I didn't marinate
Speaker 1: a long time, but you know I put it in
Speaker 1: the right place, I said, I'm most proud of that.
Speaker 1: As far as recording with Dave Black, Sam's.
Speaker 3: Out of Doubt, Oh what a song man.
Speaker 1: What I wrote when I was sixteen, go and.
Speaker 3: Put wow, okay, go in places.
Speaker 1: The cargoes into like a leeds up, you know, like
Speaker 1: a tramp underfoot. Like sounds like something out of physical
Speaker 1: graffiti or something. It's just an obvious uh you know, uh,
Speaker 1: raise fifth, seventh down whatever. I understood music fairer than
Speaker 1: a lot of guys back then, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: what the hell I was doing. All I knew is
Speaker 1: that major major scales sound better, and there in other
Speaker 1: keys than the keys they're supothed to be in the right.
Speaker 1: You play at a major scale and g G major scale,
Speaker 1: and you do it against ay, then you got something
Speaker 1: in a It sounds like this guy's doing scales. Practicing
Speaker 1: is major scale, you know. But it's also stardy. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of it. My cousin was very good
Speaker 1: players to carry. It's all parlor tricks. It's all partler.
Speaker 1: To me. It was that the parlor trick was like
Speaker 1: trying to get that lightning every time you play you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, trying to get you know, like
Speaker 1: you do when you play good Night's Bad Nights that
Speaker 1: she feels like she's on you control of it. You
Speaker 1: have a fall out of you got control of.
Speaker 3: It, and there's no explanation behind it, right, it's just
Speaker 3: when you're on, you're on, you don't.
Speaker 1: It's like talking about what do you do? I mean,
Speaker 1: if you would you do it for a trade so automatic,
Speaker 1: you do it so well, you put somebody else in
Speaker 1: that position, they're gonna be very uncomfortable, right.
Speaker 3: But but also I have I'll have I'll have interviews
Speaker 3: where I just feel like I'm in a groove, you know,
Speaker 3: like right now, everything's just locked in. Sometimes I'll do
Speaker 3: an interview and it's just not like you're trying to
Speaker 3: get money.
Speaker 1: Better understanding of what's happening now in music is where
Speaker 1: some guy that Googie's podcast think that there's an industry
Speaker 1: out there, And it blows my mind because everybody raises
Speaker 1: this pick Stuss about the Nam Show, and you go
Speaker 1: down there and see a bunch of shit you can't
Speaker 1: afford to buy all that nice mercury stuff and all
Speaker 1: the recording here, and it's a cottage industry on an
Speaker 1: industry that doesn't exist anymore. There's really no way to
Speaker 1: make any money at it anymore. But the companies are
Speaker 1: not going to like Zappa said, the old days, you
Speaker 1: got the old Jews. Theyre smoking at the guards and
Speaker 1: they said, mother's cooking just foot three hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: on sticks to the wall. That's where you got the
Speaker 1: mothers of the bench. Uh, you know all the Avot
Speaker 1: Guard stuff that was out there. You know.
Speaker 3: Now record labels have a piece in the touring industry
Speaker 3: because that's the way they're going to make money unless
Speaker 3: unless it's like the Stones are bigger than they have
Speaker 3: their own touring company. But basically record labels that they're thinking,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to make money off of albums, so
Speaker 3: we got to get a piece of the tour.
Speaker 1: They turned to smart which is what they did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 1: They don't put their girls out on the street anymore.
Speaker 1: They say, we could just like Walmart. We can get
Speaker 1: it for you if you need it, right.
Speaker 3: But don't do you get do you get a little
Speaker 3: piston musicians? Where for me, as a music. Fan musicians
Speaker 3: make music, and some some musicians won't make an album
Speaker 3: because it's like, well, why bother, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: make money off of it. But but the fans.
Speaker 1: They doesn't even care about money, you know what. With me,
Speaker 1: it's like they have an old gold miner that's you know, yellow,
Speaker 1: never gets any water. He's out in the desert, want
Speaker 1: around and goes, hey, make it a living. It never
Speaker 1: entered into this. It's just what you could get, that magic,
Speaker 1: that lightning going out in front of people and have
Speaker 1: fun playing. You don't need any money. That's just satisfact.
Speaker 1: That's what people want now. I mean, that's why they
Speaker 1: the stones still go. I don't need the money they
Speaker 1: do because they love it and I love it. But
Speaker 1: I guess they made it's such a gauntlet to go
Speaker 1: through and they start pay to play and all that shit.
Speaker 1: They lost a lot of patrons like that. Well that's
Speaker 1: back in the garage's you know, good oil.
Speaker 3: Changes right, Well, the radio business changed so much. I
Speaker 3: had to get out. And I loved the radio. I
Speaker 3: dreamt of radio. I got an FM radio tattoo, right,
Speaker 3: and but I had to leave the business because I
Speaker 3: couldn't make a living. Yeah, that kissed me off. Kissed
Speaker 3: me off. I still to this day I hate that.
Speaker 3: I got to go to a nine to five.
Speaker 1: My my weach Stone sp six from a religious station
Speaker 1: and you gotta goes, look it goes. You know God
Speaker 1: has money problems. We know that He's just always have
Speaker 1: money problem. He said, I can't make a living anymore.
Speaker 1: He had a huge congregation and I had to shifted
Speaker 1: out here from New Jersey and I love that. I
Speaker 1: mean it was like it was so so perfect for
Speaker 1: my use and and everybody's going pro tools. They said,
Speaker 1: you know we could do all that approaches. It never
Speaker 1: impressed me. No, I like that take.
Speaker 3: They they have now in the radio business AI voices,
Speaker 3: voice tracking, shifts, complete shifts and nobody would know the difference,
Speaker 3: which is depressing to me.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but it was like Eward had that United
Speaker 1: Ris Nury board. Don Landy retired and he died recently.
Speaker 1: Landy was a genius. I mean he could get tone
Speaker 1: out of a toilet and he re wired that. He
Speaker 1: used to work for the phone company. Well what happened
Speaker 1: is that that was Van Helen sound Don Landy was it?
Speaker 1: If you take Don Landy out of that equation, they'll
Speaker 1: never sound the.
Speaker 3: Same, and little sea and doobies right, and.
Speaker 1: Then they then he went got rid of I saw
Speaker 1: it laying on the side of that. I said, what
Speaker 1: do you got it over here for? Because we're going
Speaker 1: to put an SSL logic and I said, oh, don't
Speaker 1: do that. They put a nine thousand in there and
Speaker 1: it never was the saying, And they threw out all
Speaker 1: the microvolts that they thought they were all went bad.
Speaker 1: Did you read the part about the forty eight volte
Speaker 1: thing to slick to turn on? You want those mics
Speaker 1: to work?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we recorded, threw away.
Speaker 1: Some huge r c A forty five and stuff. They
Speaker 1: had to have a power source.
Speaker 4: But you and I recorded an analog.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: I was about to record analog machine now.
Speaker 1: But you have to be an egghead, you know, because.
Speaker 2: Both of us have that same taste when it comes
Speaker 2: to recording.
Speaker 1: We don't like you could hear it. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just here to take it's the What it is is
Speaker 1: that everything is an etching. Those little chips that make
Speaker 1: the sound cards up, they're etchings, very mild like this
Speaker 1: is the tl OSW two is probably the most famous
Speaker 1: etching right, it's an etching. I mean with with tape,
Speaker 1: you've got a heads that scrape you know, oxide off
Speaker 1: and make a real big footprint. And that that goes
Speaker 1: to say a lot like you know, towns of just
Speaker 1: ordered those Mara machines. He means he's got a two
Speaker 1: inch eight track, so every track has a quarter of
Speaker 1: an inch of you nuts, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, everything's changed so much.
Speaker 1: It has you have to have a lot of money
Speaker 1: to play buck Rogers and this. And you see the
Speaker 1: labs they have. My friend work said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they've got six hundred thousand dollars worth of microphones. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But everybody that I like, they're all doing it on
Speaker 2: pure analog.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well there's people out there, these kids that you know,
Speaker 1: record records out of that one apagy thing. I can't
Speaker 1: do that. I just have to get it in line
Speaker 1: and get if you got something going. If you don't
Speaker 1: start a fire with one guitar line and a bass drum,
Speaker 1: d ain't got nothing to start anyhow.
Speaker 3: The new song Kilgore's Love Song tell us about that,
Speaker 3: because there's a great story behind that. How did it
Speaker 3: finally come together after it was unfinished for many years?
Speaker 1: It's a red herring. It's really I had a nineteen
Speaker 1: oh four Marler guitar that just was magical. I never
Speaker 1: got out of the fire, but it was. It was
Speaker 1: really a Columbia parlor that had stood the one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty two years without being crushed. And the guy
Speaker 1: had steal stranger. I said, there's no way this just
Speaker 1: had cat got string at nineteen twenty four. So I
Speaker 1: put eyelogs on it and it just got this celt sound.
Speaker 1: I started recording on my telephone. I came Forul this
Speaker 1: little thing. I said, I tried this, and she did
Speaker 1: jump into it, and I thought, interesting, have everything quite
Speaker 1: like that school.
Speaker 5: The inside on me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was around for quite a while, that song,
Speaker 3: that song, the.
Speaker 4: Music with no lyrics for years.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell it was I played.
Speaker 1: I said, that's kind of interesting thing. You go, well,
Speaker 1: you like I like to. I was playing a lot
Speaker 1: of celt music. I started doing that like seven or
Speaker 1: eight years ago, and I've got quite a few songs
Speaker 1: that are rock, but they have a Celtic Yeah, not
Speaker 1: like Blackmore, but you know it's got a little bit
Speaker 1: more storyline, you know, something that textures. I don't know
Speaker 1: something that invokes. If it invokes something and make somebody
Speaker 1: want to sten to it, they're going to try something.
Speaker 1: That's why not try something good story? You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's almost like a musical journalism. Yeah, and he.
Speaker 2: Was basically said, take whatever song you like and put
Speaker 2: something down.
Speaker 1: You get a singer and you start talking to them.
Speaker 1: And yet I want you to do that. I won't
Speaker 1: you do that. You turn them into a chimpanzee.
Speaker 2: Well it's funny because he messaged me on Facebook and then
Speaker 2: he goes, I need a songwriter, and you asked our friend,
Speaker 2: Gary Putman, our mutual friend.
Speaker 4: But we never knew each other and we hung on
Speaker 4: the same sirt.
Speaker 1: Gary was in a dread Zeppelin. Yeah, Gary's all.
Speaker 2: Gary's on like eighty five percent of both of my albums,
Speaker 2: Funnyully plays.
Speaker 4: He was so good to me, playing on everything, gigging
Speaker 4: with We.
Speaker 1: Played at Me and Gary and Mike Shadow played at
Speaker 1: the Van Halen, the book party that Greg Renoff threw right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Gary jumped out on that. He jumped on
Speaker 1: the dance floor to pages here and go. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Me being in a studio with him, he was He
Speaker 4: didn't go wild, you.
Speaker 2: Know, because Gary will go off on a tangent playing
Speaker 2: guitar and you're just like, yep, there he goes, you know,
Speaker 2: like Terry saying.
Speaker 1: By you know, I can't play the clubs he plays.
Speaker 1: He plays these god clubs are of people plays. He
Speaker 1: played a lot of gigs. But the more gigs you play,
Speaker 1: the less people are going to start to loose. And
Speaker 1: the other thing, you can play yourself in this town.
Speaker 2: But really the other thought is that he's keeping his
Speaker 2: chops up, you know.
Speaker 4: So that's how I see it, because all who go.
Speaker 2: Downtown sere Monderie and then I pop in the local
Speaker 2: bar because I'm a runner.
Speaker 1: That's where you that's where all the players are now,
Speaker 1: local bar. But it used to be, like you was
Speaker 1: a gathering place like FM station, Freddie Mcnatthey's Joint or
Speaker 1: the Viper Room, and it just slowly got phased out.
Speaker 1: It was just too much. A lucky strike come back around.
Speaker 1: A lot of bands played a lucky strike and now
Speaker 1: they're playing down at Mozam Beacon. You know, in that
Speaker 1: there's a lot more work in Arms County, but it's
Speaker 1: it's machine, it's factory work.
Speaker 4: Basically, I feel like everything's cyclical, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and it'll come back receiving a Tributeyet I never
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 4: Well, you're not going to be because.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I couldn't do that thing. Yeah, people like
Speaker 1: playing a Richard music out there.
Speaker 4: And my friend already so off. He's in the Fab four.
Speaker 2: So when I asked him to do back up on
Speaker 2: my second second album, I think it was my first
Speaker 2: album too.
Speaker 4: Is like having Paul McCartney on the album, and so
Speaker 4: I'm like.
Speaker 1: Making players run here. They don't the world Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean I think some of them choose.
Speaker 1: Well, when you go out and tour like that, he realized.
Speaker 1: I went out tour my own group for a couple
Speaker 1: of years. I thought you could get locking Automobile Wilders
Speaker 1: for North America and never come back.
Speaker 4: But you know, I asked one time, I said.
Speaker 1: I locked that door. You're not going to come back
Speaker 1: on money, but you may be able to dig all
Speaker 1: the way through it.
Speaker 2: But I said to Artie, do you like playing, you know,
Speaker 2: in the tribute band?
Speaker 4: And he goes, yeah, could he get sick of it?
Speaker 2: And he goes until I think of having a desk
Speaker 2: job that I don't like you know, not no nothing
Speaker 2: against desk jobs. I have one to yell for years,
Speaker 2: but but he's I figure, you know that that would
Speaker 2: be something.
Speaker 1: There aren't guys like you know, the guys I've been
Speaker 1: looked at you. I love Joe bona match because he's
Speaker 1: got the right psychology. And he got real pissed off
Speaker 1: at me because I was I go to the same
Speaker 1: guitar check and I didn't recognize him. He looks like
Speaker 1: the right I don't know who hell he was, but
Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect Rymond Eric Gales. I
Speaker 1: love the way he plays. I mean, he's just got
Speaker 1: that kind of a spiritual then quality of the magic,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And when you and I are finishing the album, though,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot like that love song is
Speaker 2: is one unique song.
Speaker 4: And that I just liked her.
Speaker 1: I couldn't play it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 1: what the hell I didn't figure out the stage.
Speaker 4: That I picked that song?
Speaker 2: You go, of all the songs that gave you, you picked
Speaker 2: the one that I never thought anybody would write a
Speaker 2: lyric to, you know.
Speaker 1: And I the thing that's why I want to get
Speaker 1: other people on this thing. Because the way they think,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I actually did sing that one in the bathtub.
Speaker 4: I write lyrics real quick to them at the top
Speaker 4: of the easel.
Speaker 2: Number, do them mad.
Speaker 1: To them?
Speaker 4: That's the tumple. The isle.
Speaker 3: Was the plan I longed to put together whole album
Speaker 3: or did that one a song kind of?
Speaker 1: I have an album for Maturial, but you know what,
Speaker 1: you're not, so I'm going to do a solo style
Speaker 1: record or guitar record. I expect him guitar on there
Speaker 1: and lyrics. And given the situation as it was to
Speaker 1: get I just now acquired all the gear that I
Speaker 1: could pull that off with because remember I lost my
Speaker 1: whole all my pre app follow stuff that I was
Speaker 1: accustomed of using. And it's it's a hell of a
Speaker 1: far back away when you have a ten seventy three
Speaker 1: Brett Admirals and they're gone and you're trying to do
Speaker 1: something with the art pree app. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: you have to you have to rely on other other factors,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's a show beautiful hardware,
Speaker 1: but you can't play work ship and you have to
Speaker 1: have everything going at once. And a lot of the
Speaker 1: people that have money would rather have somebody else recorded,
Speaker 1: And I go, if you have money and the luxury
Speaker 1: of time, I'm going to do it, yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you can get at it, you know when I do.
Speaker 4: A mix, So we'll do recordings in the house.
Speaker 2: The love song, I was practicing the song and I
Speaker 2: ended up just doing a sample.
Speaker 4: I was in the path.
Speaker 1: That stuff out, brought into SiO.
Speaker 2: And used that vocal, and then I doubled it a
Speaker 2: little bit in certain spots because to clean it up,
Speaker 2: because you know, when you have the track with the music.
Speaker 4: On it, you can't separate, and sometimes you need the
Speaker 4: vocals up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So if it wasn't working, then I would double it
Speaker 2: and then we use kind of a mix of both interchange.
Speaker 4: But ninety song is done in the bouttime.
Speaker 1: Cobt said it poetically. A Capital Records goes, You're like
Speaker 1: a missing link or something we should have heard that
Speaker 1: we didn't hear a long time ago, that you fill
Speaker 1: a hole that nobody I've heard filth like that, And
Speaker 1: that's how it was cryptic. It's not like intentionally done.
Speaker 1: It's like I remember this vibe from when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. I wrote a song about you know, I
Speaker 1: like repetitive lines, like if you're gonna do a guitar line,
Speaker 1: I like one that that reciprocates of one that modulates
Speaker 1: around it. Because of my education, I had an education harmony.
Speaker 1: I understand how to use it. But really, I think
Speaker 1: that people come out of a dead stock with no
Speaker 1: schooling at all and come up with the same kind
Speaker 1: of shit all the time.
Speaker 4: I didn't. I'm not trained either.
Speaker 1: As I had a guy come to me when I
Speaker 1: was giving guitar losters that he had one hundred songs
Speaker 1: to put together out of the seven chords that he knew,
Speaker 1: and none of it was bad. You just go, Wow,
Speaker 1: this guy's got talent.
Speaker 4: But what I you it was your sound. Because I
Speaker 4: didn't really know who he was.
Speaker 1: I feel, you know, nobody knows who I am. I'm blucky.
Speaker 3: I don't know I know who he is.
Speaker 1: Gary down to have a lot of friends back east too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Gary invited me down to the local bar
Speaker 2: and I brought my son and then he was playing
Speaker 2: and that's how we met. And then but but when
Speaker 2: I heard his swampy slide to.
Speaker 1: Chalie, when I looked at you anywhere near Federal Hill,
Speaker 1: I mean it's funny because, uh, John Reagan told me
Speaker 1: that they changed their dango and Irish nanka is. The
Speaker 1: Irish cops were beating the ship out of his dad
Speaker 1: all the time, really galaning, you know, and my grandma.
Speaker 1: There's so many of my roatives back east, and a
Speaker 1: lot of them were not the Morolos are like the
Speaker 1: horrible Jenis.
Speaker 3: Out at Chicoo mess with. Yeah, well, I mean just
Speaker 3: that kind of thing, you know. As a huge David
Speaker 3: Lee fan, I sure know who you are. I went
Speaker 3: out and bought the album the CD when I was
Speaker 3: in my senior year in college, went to the nearest
Speaker 3: record store, and so the girl.
Speaker 1: Down the street goes, my brother a big fan of yours,
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking I have a lot of popular people
Speaker 1: back ds that like me, and I think it was
Speaker 1: more like the embrace Me because I was like one
Speaker 1: of them. I walked through Red Light to New York.
Speaker 3: I go, I don't stop, what's the Waylon Jennings covering?
Speaker 2: So I being nineteen seven about this? For yeah, I
Speaker 2: talk about it all the time. So I as soon
Speaker 2: as I met him, I'm like, oh, he kind of
Speaker 2: right whaling Jennings.
Speaker 3: He looks yeah, yeah, you're right, and his voice is.
Speaker 1: Just not that much of a philanderer. Well, it was
Speaker 1: bad from the very beginning. I mean, when you get
Speaker 1: cooked at buddy all, I goes, I hope the guy's
Speaker 1: cracked that I did.
Speaker 3: That's the story. Yeahs terrible about that.
Speaker 4: Felt terrible.
Speaker 1: But the point is, yeah, so I alslew that same
Speaker 1: Bonanda that killed all those people.
Speaker 4: But there's a song called so good.
Speaker 1: I killed everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I so I made it a duet, so
Speaker 2: I inserted my voice and then I'm hoping that Terry
Speaker 2: will sing it and play on it.
Speaker 1: And I'd love for you to play a duet. The
Speaker 1: thing is, I know all this the Carney music stuffy,
Speaker 1: but he does you know, bony fingers. It's only seventies
Speaker 1: country galctic music. But then you know the new coal.
Speaker 1: I love Danny Gatton stuff. I love. You know, they're
Speaker 1: all great players, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I like Old Schott, like George Jones.
Speaker 1: Wriscovered god, Jerry reed Back, I thought, my god, I
Speaker 1: know guy was a great guitar player, fabulous, the most
Speaker 1: economic hands you've ever seen, just just the bare minimum
Speaker 1: to get the sound and the controls like fuck, unbelievable.
Speaker 4: So if that song is on the album, it's already tracked.
Speaker 2: But if Terry ends up playing on it, which I'm
Speaker 2: hoping because we get busy, you know, that would be
Speaker 2: a gift to me.
Speaker 3: Do you know when the album will be out? Isn't
Speaker 3: it September? I thought that.
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll see I'm going to New York.
Speaker 1: I can't let it out if I don't like what
Speaker 1: I hear, and I'll go anyway I do.
Speaker 2: If I go in myself, I bring to home, I
Speaker 2: bring home and then I send it to him.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've aged enough songs for when I
Speaker 1: know that, because this thing stands up and it's four
Speaker 1: years old, I'll do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I would love for him to take the
Speaker 2: last one we did.
Speaker 4: What was it called the last one we did?
Speaker 2: I don't know what we were just working on, not
Speaker 2: back to eat crime Shame.
Speaker 4: Maybe you could be the one to release it for us.
Speaker 3: Well, I you know I want to play that. I
Speaker 3: would be happy to do that and kill Gore's love song,
Speaker 3: play a clip of it and hopefully they don't pull
Speaker 3: it down on YouTube, and that drives me and saying
Speaker 3: that if they do, I'll let you know and we'll
Speaker 3: and I'll dispute it.
Speaker 4: There's no way they did, because that's nobody owns the
Speaker 4: very frost.
Speaker 1: The way I look at it, if somebody steals something
Speaker 1: and they liked it that much and they're playing it right,
Speaker 1: I can exploit it till you get to a certain point.
Speaker 4: I mean they can't play it, but we're certainly.
Speaker 1: Music's a gift. I mean, like, look at how long
Speaker 1: I be around, how long I want to want to
Speaker 1: have the same energy because you get like, look at
Speaker 1: if it's not working like stuff. He's was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite guitar players in the world. He said it
Speaker 1: just wasn't making any money. He had to go to
Speaker 1: doing film. But he still plays the guy who's doing
Speaker 1: shit in nineteen seventy three. They still are now catching
Speaker 1: up with Yeah.
Speaker 2: And see me, I've never made any money playing music,
Speaker 2: and I've and I'm okay though.
Speaker 1: Because you know, that's how everybody is before they make
Speaker 1: anything into business. And I'd rather be like, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I would have much rather have gone to work for
Speaker 1: John Waite than David Lee rob because he's more of
Speaker 1: a looking for songs, but the guy an aim for
Speaker 1: those skits like that. It's it's a shooting gallery, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like Graham Bondy's the shooting gallery.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be doing moving target.
Speaker 1: Yes, everybody's ears are moving targets. I mean it's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's the best downing amp I've ever heard. Next week
Speaker 1: they put this is the beast down amp I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: It's funny to see what you play on now because
Speaker 2: in comparison to what you grew up on, the Marshalls
Speaker 2: and all that, now.
Speaker 1: You're playing, Well, the thing we don't know everything that
Speaker 1: I can build you a super league now. But what
Speaker 1: we knew everything about him? We didn't know shit about them.
Speaker 1: He built my son a guitar, which is so we
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about at all. You know, ed had
Speaker 1: their bicycle paint and that one hundred and forty dollars
Speaker 1: sarvel and that thing changed and a lot of guys
Speaker 1: were putting combuckis and strata casters and telecasters back then.
Speaker 3: Did you go to that house that he lived in,
Speaker 3: that little house that's still.
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, apparently it looks exactly the same exactly.
Speaker 1: I could drop an alley way off of Las lunas,
Speaker 1: which is like or middle class. It was all came
Speaker 1: for more money than that. I was broke. We lived
Speaker 1: to eaton canyon. But you know, but we were monitoring
Speaker 1: each other constantly because he was I kept him on
Speaker 1: his shoes and he really kept me online. Are hard
Speaker 1: guy to beat paint. They were always in charge. But
Speaker 1: you know, there was a room enough for other people
Speaker 1: as long as you didn't play like him. You had
Speaker 1: to play kind of like it, you know, they think
Speaker 1: kind of. But there are a lot of guitar players
Speaker 1: were developing styles, Gary, Carl Hassett, They all were good players,
Speaker 1: and we were all kind of came into the same thing.
Speaker 1: We listened to the English guys and played blues licks.
Speaker 1: Then we heard Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck and blow
Speaker 1: by Blow changed me. I thought, well, I'm instrumental stuff,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Ye, Jeff could pull that off.
Speaker 3: I just interviewed Brad Tlinsky and Chris Gill who wrote
Speaker 3: that great book on Eddie, and they just wrote a
Speaker 3: book on Jeff Beck, and it's fabulous books.
Speaker 1: And you know, like Rob Grange and Derrick st. Holmes,
Speaker 1: ed bus Man.
Speaker 3: Right stranglehold these things out.
Speaker 1: They went to the same ship I mean with Derek
Speaker 1: Sae Holmes and oh the god they haven't working there.
Speaker 1: Ted just took off. That'specically what happened. And so you
Speaker 1: know those guys, I call right with them for Brad
Speaker 1: Whitford Aerosmith Bunch when they have the wrong place.
Speaker 3: Whitford Holmes I think was uh Derek was in that band.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had a cool stop. They used one of
Speaker 1: my tunes. Yeah some good. If I hear something somebody's
Speaker 1: playing to go, okay, I'll bring to do something like
Speaker 1: that too, but I'll do it a little tip, you know.
Speaker 1: And that was what it was fun to go see
Speaker 1: what we would come up with. But real quiet, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't hear me from me in a week and I'd
Speaker 1: be playing its going where'd you pick that? How did
Speaker 1: you pick that up? Competitive?
Speaker 3: But it was a friendly way, you know, just as
Speaker 3: a fan that I just I miss And when he passed,
Speaker 3: it was like that's it. There's no more hope and
Speaker 3: possibility that than another van Hileen.
Speaker 1: Remember all the good time that we had, how close
Speaker 1: we were. I'm sure that ever him his son said
Speaker 1: when he I always told him, Ed, don't drive motorcycles.
Speaker 1: You haven't got the temperament for it. You will die.
Speaker 1: You gotta drive motorcycle and drive a car. He will
Speaker 1: be all right. Drove them like he drove the motorcycle.
Speaker 1: And when he cracked his head open, they looked like
Speaker 1: they a catskin and saw that tumor and side about
Speaker 1: lemon and he said he got his spine. He it was.
Speaker 1: He died very painfully.
Speaker 3: No I heard, that's what Ted Templeman said.
Speaker 1: Well, I saw him, you know, and when you grow
Speaker 1: up with something like that, you see him and they're
Speaker 1: young and they're strong. I mean he pushed the outside
Speaker 1: of the envelope a little harder than he thought. I
Speaker 1: was the heavier drinker. I thought, hell no, I just
Speaker 1: don't drink all that beer I got hold of. But
Speaker 1: then he went, you know, shrake to vodka, and it
Speaker 1: just the addictions are progressive and they get the better
Speaker 1: of you. He was, you know, getting He looked like
Speaker 1: Gollum for a while. He might really out of his
Speaker 1: kind of out of his tree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that that was a wild It was a
Speaker 3: dark time.
Speaker 1: Get Marshall, AFP. You had a Marshall. A couple of
Speaker 1: little effects that had a great and he alway a
Speaker 1: sudden you had this bradshar regular was as big as
Speaker 1: a sub zero refrigerator. Then twenty six Racks. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the hell it was. The guitarians a big monster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the sound of his guitar. Nothing fills me up
Speaker 3: more man, It's like, just might people.
Speaker 1: Know what I went when I got rid of my
Speaker 1: fifty my black flags, I had two black flag fifty
Speaker 1: wats and black flags were like before Jim Marshall and
Speaker 1: Theresa were divorced, it was Jim and Theresa Marshall Well,
Speaker 1: he wanted her out and they went to j MP
Speaker 1: Jim Marshall Productions. But the black flags were special lamp fires.
Speaker 1: I worked about ten thousand dollars piece. I sold them
Speaker 1: off because they got sick of the sound, and Mike
Speaker 1: Mike Mike Fans told me, you don't have the same
Speaker 1: Jime used to have for a faggot, and then I
Speaker 1: got it back on Brandles. I'll get pan Terra. We
Speaker 1: started using the Randall stuff because I was touring the
Speaker 1: South seats and you couldn't use the tube. I couldn't
Speaker 1: have the budget to run tube bats twelve hours a
Speaker 1: day because couldn't do it. We played Singapore all the
Speaker 1: military basis. That was the only thing you could get.
Speaker 1: It paid fifty hundred dollars a week, and man it
Speaker 1: was tough. That was rough, tough. You go those islands
Speaker 1: and you know where the military is. Everything rough. In
Speaker 1: one day, there's a big pile of bicycles are all
Speaker 1: covering front of everybody being bicycles. We've been on tire
Speaker 1: of body. I mean, I've been on all the Gilbert Islands,
Speaker 1: the Solomons, because we still have bases out there everywhere.
Speaker 1: Their aw reservation. So the guys that go there, they
Speaker 1: go in for a six month's day and they're going, oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to be here. It's a toll that's maybe
Speaker 1: a mile long and nine hundred yards wide or something,
Speaker 1: and a half a million people live on it. You know.
Speaker 1: It's that's what the South Seas tours are about. But
Speaker 1: that's the only money we could make. In the eighties,
Speaker 1: everybody had everything locked up. Every band looked the same.
Speaker 3: They all was like poisoned or oh god, yeah remember that, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: sure do. It was in high school. Yeah, man, Warrant Winger.
Speaker 1: I got from what I said, you guys are going
Speaker 1: to be back in Pomona doing oil champions by the
Speaker 1: by the nineties. And I was right because it was
Speaker 1: really I got picked up because I dressed in a
Speaker 1: black soup with no collars, like a starving blues musician,
Speaker 1: because that's what I was basically.
Speaker 3: And Eddie used to say, don't blame me because everybody
Speaker 3: was like, oh, you know you inspired all these bands,
Speaker 3: these copycat bands. He's like, I didn't do it on purpose.
Speaker 3: Let's just play just playing the.
Speaker 1: Money in the Van Halen trippute bands. I just couldn't
Speaker 1: imagine their set because it's like, you know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: a big fan of our music because I hadn't heard
Speaker 1: it so many times. I mean I could, I could.
Speaker 1: I could listen to the record and see what he's flying.
Speaker 1: I know exactly how I played. We just to laugh
Speaker 1: because I played up like this because I had a
Speaker 1: feel plate in my arm, so I kind of go
Speaker 1: out of differently. When I up picked for Don Eperson,
Speaker 1: Ed played like this right exactly. But he was you know,
Speaker 1: I think that he was just a concert musician. Alt
Speaker 1: when Al talked of it, he said, you know, Ed
Speaker 1: is definitely the cornerstone of that group. I mean, and
Speaker 1: Day wanted in on that. You know, that was the
Speaker 1: only money going out of town because there was other bands.
Speaker 1: But Ed just beat him down bad because they had
Speaker 1: the work ethic. Alex was instrumental in that because he
Speaker 1: was the oldest and he was the biggest. And to
Speaker 1: argue with how he beat the shit out of you,
Speaker 1: He's gonna get his way. I mean, he ran that
Speaker 1: and you.
Speaker 3: Know that's all. They didn't didn't rely on talent. They
Speaker 3: just worked their ass off, you know, they didn't just
Speaker 3: expect things to come to them because that he was
Speaker 3: saving their.
Speaker 1: Money like that. I mean, it was like they he
Speaker 1: utilized every They were made about one hundred bucks a week,
Speaker 1: which in those days was as much as the kid
Speaker 1: could make. And any job as you got paid. If
Speaker 1: my dad was a police charger got paid one thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a month. Now they get paid one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty five. Into the different world, man, it really is.
Speaker 1: We're growing up in the twenties economic system, watching it
Speaker 1: the ceiling six times. I mean, my parents were alive,
Speaker 1: they'd just go what that hell? Hell? Or what?
Speaker 2: And Terry got a plate in his arm because it
Speaker 2: was in an auto accident.
Speaker 3: When you were a kid.
Speaker 1: Okay, top ound fracture, the humors. Yeah, we were driving
Speaker 1: in uh only about two bunchs of the technology. They
Speaker 1: had to fuse bone again. Yeah, because they couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: And I'm driving with him and he goes, oh, there's
Speaker 2: see that tree right there, that big gouge in the tree.
Speaker 4: So I did that. We weren't. I knew he was
Speaker 4: in the accident.
Speaker 1: It was right there. The scourge of World War two ostiomyolagnis,
Speaker 1: which means if you got a shot through a bone,
Speaker 1: they couldn't use the marrow together, it'll kill you. If
Speaker 1: the marrow touch got outside that we're the firsteine part
Speaker 1: of your flesh is you'd lose the arm. So I
Speaker 1: almost lost the arm.
Speaker 3: I was just say, you almost had like a like
Speaker 3: a Rick Allen situation.
Speaker 2: And his dad was a police officer, like you said,
Speaker 2: and his dad didn't you say his.
Speaker 1: Car and we were in My aunt was trying and
Speaker 1: you didn't know it was his own kids landing his own.
Speaker 4: He comes to the as to his father, and there.
Speaker 1: Was the bad because he's got the spring in the
Speaker 1: seat cut news, He've got my cousin nineties stchens. I
Speaker 1: was thrown out of the car and we were all
Speaker 1: stripped naked down their naked. He ripped our shoes off.
Speaker 1: Yeah one one lady was the real bad I thought
Speaker 1: that happened, that riped your clothes on us.
Speaker 4: Lady was at a bus stop and her.
Speaker 1: Daughter crushed or glossed both of her legs and grandma
Speaker 1: lost her leg rather the spy woke up next to
Speaker 1: her foot.
Speaker 4: I went, man, he was just a little boy.
Speaker 1: I think it was a nineteen sixty three wow wow.
Speaker 1: You know it came back but and and didn't have
Speaker 1: any he never had any. He was probably the fastest
Speaker 1: runner I've ever seen at phs. He had one hundred
Speaker 1: yard dash of like nine and a half seconds.
Speaker 3: He could get really, but.
Speaker 1: His hips from jumping off those the drum risers and
Speaker 1: ship they're a shot. I mean he he had to
Speaker 1: come down in the golf cart last time I saw him.
Speaker 1: And you know, you drive a golf cart down to
Speaker 1: the driveway and cold water gang because it couldn't walk.
Speaker 1: It really couldn't walk that well, you know.
Speaker 3: That was the famous thing Dave told Eddy Eddie at
Speaker 3: the ninety six m TV Video Awards Eddie's like, the
Speaker 3: press is like, what's god, what happened next? You're gonna
Speaker 3: make an album? He'sa liked, Oh I gotta get my
Speaker 3: hip replaced. And apparently Dave was like, tonight's about me.
Speaker 3: That's your fucking hip.
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 3: Oh good, you want.
Speaker 1: To rub ever the wrong way? Oh my god. I've
Speaker 1: seen him look like think he's gonna kill him right
Speaker 1: in front of me. He tried to get back in
Speaker 1: the game for years. They said, don't even bother calling here,
Speaker 1: and it was you know, they came follow themselves. I mean,
Speaker 1: the only thing I don't like that. I think it
Speaker 1: was a low character to put Michael into a ploy.
Speaker 1: He was an integral part of that band.
Speaker 3: Well what do you think that brought him back? Was
Speaker 3: it Wolfgang? That ultimately was the reason he Dave came back.
Speaker 3: That's the story.
Speaker 1: Well, he wanted to play with Wolfgang, and Mike understood that.
Speaker 3: But the Wolfgang called David.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't want to play drums in my group.
Speaker 4: And I played with my son all the time.
Speaker 1: For kids your musical, you know, if you haven't given
Speaker 1: a different thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, my.
Speaker 2: Son's a songwriter, so he plays with me. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: we can play that.
Speaker 1: We just played Friday like the Calcil.
Speaker 4: Saturday we played a musical, the Music Festival and Big Bear.
Speaker 2: So we're up all the time playing and then I'm
Speaker 2: in the studio constantly.
Speaker 4: Then Sunday we were in the studio. You didn't come
Speaker 4: to that session, No nothing, It's.
Speaker 1: Only two hours. I like to go in and do something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, sometimes he makes it, sometimes he doesn't.
Speaker 2: That's fine, but he always hears everything to make.
Speaker 4: Sure that we're doing well.
Speaker 1: I've kind of let things go the way they are
Speaker 1: because sounds good. Well, I don't want to try to
Speaker 1: put too much of the trust me now, but you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't want to put too much of yourself, even
Speaker 1: in your own recordings, because it gets kind of tunnel vision.
Speaker 1: I don't know, playing with multiple music, I don't think
Speaker 1: i'd like that. Zepp as much of our plant wasn't
Speaker 1: saying any John Paul Jones Wood playing bass, I mean
Speaker 1: either who that was the magic the different the different
Speaker 1: players Now, it's like, you know, the guys I like
Speaker 1: to play with. I spent two years getting James to
Speaker 1: play bass for me, and it's all burned up. Get
Speaker 1: I should have got the hard drives out because that's
Speaker 1: where everything was ark going. Oh that's right, every sucking
Speaker 1: thing I ever did is gone. What happened?
Speaker 3: Like home insurance people are wondering, like they didn't they
Speaker 3: help you out?
Speaker 1: Well, I've got a three million dollar lawsuit going. But
Speaker 1: the thing is you told the companies for historically pay
Speaker 1: less get out of it. The bigger the corporation, the
Speaker 1: more money they have a monopoly that you know. They
Speaker 1: made four point eight billion dollars this last quarter and
Speaker 1: this is all about keeping their stareholders. But they were
Speaker 1: told to move the towers in nineteen seventy one and
Speaker 1: they refuse to do so. So it's negligence which puts me.
Speaker 1: And I lost my insurance three weeks before that because
Speaker 1: a fair plan you haven't Newsom just ran all the
Speaker 1: insurance companies out. Nobody would cover me. All State north
Speaker 1: Brook was my company. They canceled my auto, they canceled everything.
Speaker 1: They put me on a fair plan list. Or here
Speaker 1: I'm going.
Speaker 4: Months before the fire.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of it's the same thing all the
Speaker 1: way up the slope and I was it's so close
Speaker 1: to the mountains, said it turned a fair plan all
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Terry and I are probably how far are
Speaker 2: we each other, maybe two miles thick whatever, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so we're both the fire was here right, this
Speaker 1: place is here it yeah, the wed blew it over
Speaker 1: ninety miles an hour. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So if you look this way, like this is the
Speaker 4: big window right there.
Speaker 2: So out that window the you know, I'm standing with
Speaker 2: my daughter looking at the flames coming our way, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, we got to get all the animals out.
Speaker 4: I started packing up the guitars, putting moving all the cars,
Speaker 4: you know, and lived up there my whole life.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like this.
Speaker 2: So the whole time, we have electricity and water. He's
Speaker 2: in Altadenas five miles away. Say the same, I'm closer.
Speaker 4: To the mountain you than you are.
Speaker 2: And then the wind suddenly changed position and went towards
Speaker 2: Alasadena and we said, prayer, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If that was five streets off the National Forest, each
Speaker 1: street would go every ten minutes.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I put two blocks from the mountain and
Speaker 2: he's five streets from it.
Speaker 1: And so when blew right over the Meridium her my neighborhood,
Speaker 1: and that turned around and came due south of eighty
Speaker 1: miles an hour. Yeah, he had fires form. It was
Speaker 1: like being bombed.
Speaker 3: Christy had missed your house.
Speaker 2: It turned away from Sierra Madre and went to But
Speaker 2: the ironic thing is he has no power at six.
Speaker 4: In the evening and then they turn off the water.
Speaker 4: And here I'm at Sierra Madre and I got water
Speaker 4: and power. Why would they shut up?
Speaker 1: We had a recording of the police chief calling Edison, going,
Speaker 1: tell your boss to turn the grid off. So he's
Speaker 1: not going to be in until nine am in the morning.
Speaker 1: Well it was over by then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got to notice that my insurance was going
Speaker 4: to be canceled.
Speaker 2: His was already canceled, and so then we have to
Speaker 2: go on the fair plan, which is double the amount
Speaker 2: of money that you're paying or triple the regular insurance company.
Speaker 1: Well, I have wondervranage. My in laws went to school
Speaker 1: with my attornity Michael watching. He's one of the he's
Speaker 1: a guy that got the money out of Lohaina. And
Speaker 1: now they can't they can't delay it much longer, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because what they do is they delay it till so
Speaker 1: many people are dying. And it was an old neighborhood
Speaker 1: that they didn't pay a lot of taxes with grandfather's named.
Speaker 4: Gerald Holmes, you know.
Speaker 1: And it was out.
Speaker 3: You got out around four a m. Right is that I.
Speaker 1: Slept at four twenty one and I was literally covered
Speaker 1: with soot. There was no more oxygen. I couldn't breathe.
Speaker 1: I had to go. I got the last loads in
Speaker 1: the car. I left my most valuable stuff. I couldn't
Speaker 1: get it back in the.
Speaker 2: Ap and I took everything that I could, all my pictures,
Speaker 2: all my guitars, all my animals, and I moved all
Speaker 2: the cars down and because I was thinking something could happen.
Speaker 4: And then I took the r V which we take
Speaker 4: to gigs and.
Speaker 1: We say life. So we evacuated old woman down the Spirit.
Speaker 1: I went down and insisted she get out. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: my cats like to get my cat. They said, the
Speaker 1: hell with your cat. You're not going to live through this.
Speaker 1: It was that bad.
Speaker 4: She had to leave immediately. The house went out.
Speaker 1: She lives in Connecticut now too, what you call me goes.
Speaker 1: Thank you you saved my life.
Speaker 4: Her poor cats died, But yeah, she was out.
Speaker 1: We do here because she's a sixty three playboy centerfold.
Speaker 3: Was okay, forward and she lives in Connecticut. Now she
Speaker 3: lives in Connecticut.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, she loves it up there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and then your mom's ashes, right is.
Speaker 1: That to get anything out the studio? It was so funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had an old fifties of keeping marriage.
Speaker 1: Still it looked like I'd been sodo mind in prison.
Speaker 1: It was better, right, and all the new appliances were
Speaker 1: all made out of that plactic deposit. They weren't there nothing.
Speaker 1: It was just an empty lot with JPL came up
Speaker 1: because the neighbors a JPL employees. They measured the twenty
Speaker 1: one hundred degrees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have to remember we live right by Natha.
Speaker 2: I used to work there. JPL Jeff proposed didn't burn. Now,
Speaker 2: had it burned, it would have been so toxic.
Speaker 1: No, they'd have been a crater about a mile away there.
Speaker 2: It would have been so detrimental to the whole area.
Speaker 2: But it didn't get touched.
Speaker 4: All that house. They made sure it did got safe.
Speaker 4: And it's ironic, you know what I mean, It's really weird.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a whole city though. When I remember
Speaker 1: the Oakland fire when I was a kid, nothing better
Speaker 1: of this the whole.
Speaker 3: In that video, there's a shot overhead of all the holts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, don't forget you're talking about the mountains way
Speaker 4: up here, and you got blocks and blocks.
Speaker 2: Way down and Washington Bulow Arc, you know, like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like we have apartments and the tenants were
Speaker 2: calling me saying should we leave it.
Speaker 1: A Michael, It was a quirky thing. You look at
Speaker 1: one house ago, how the hell did this thing survive?
Speaker 1: And everything around?
Speaker 4: But they were right, the tenants they.
Speaker 1: Were bombing run.
Speaker 4: The fire was coming down so far.
Speaker 1: It struck me as like it wouldn't be like a fire.
Speaker 1: It was like a bombing. It was. It was almost
Speaker 1: because I just literally melted everything, the wheels melted on
Speaker 1: the car.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The next day we went driving around and then
Speaker 4: it looked like a movie set.
Speaker 2: There was just fire, like they left all the gas
Speaker 2: on and all the gas was just burning and the.
Speaker 1: Cars and they played the gas cup. They had not
Speaker 1: to do with it.
Speaker 3: It was crazy, Terry, are you just are you in shock?
Speaker 3: Like the next day, I mean, what's mostly.
Speaker 1: Basket page? For about four months my in laws took
Speaker 1: care of me. I think he still gave me a
Speaker 1: room there, and I just kind of recuperated, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden things started to click.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I figured I got to get out of here. I
Speaker 1: can't live off these people. So the Mormons donated a
Speaker 1: RV to me, not a bad one, and I put
Speaker 1: solar power in it and turned off grid because I'm
Speaker 1: not going to give Edison any more money.
Speaker 4: They wanted him to pay to hook up electricy.
Speaker 1: They want like nine hundred dollars to put a line,
Speaker 1: and I'm going, you guys burned my whole world down
Speaker 1: and you want nine hundred bucks.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then you and I met what one month
Speaker 4: after the fire.
Speaker 1: Was one month? No, I think it was, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then he never would come out of his house
Speaker 2: very often. He was kind of a guy that just yeah.
Speaker 2: And so it was funny that had the fire not come,
Speaker 2: you and I wouldn't have met.
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't be the clubs I got bored playing again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the feeling, the feeling I get, like, that's
Speaker 3: the vibe, like like Christie, like you you you met
Speaker 3: him like here here that there's a reason that you came.
Speaker 1: Into his life.
Speaker 3: Oh, we both there's something. Yeah, there's something in the
Speaker 3: underlying that. You know it's right, it's true, big picture
Speaker 3: stuff to read any.
Speaker 1: Think it's because we didn't try.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the funny thing is we're only twelve years
Speaker 4: apart in age. We're not that.
Speaker 1: Like twelve years I'll think I'd like that, but twelve back,
Speaker 1: I'll think that we're not.
Speaker 4: We're off an age.
Speaker 2: But but it's interesting because his generation does feel different,
Speaker 2: but we ran in the same circles more or less.
Speaker 1: You know where I come out of it. You know
Speaker 1: what you do stupid ship, you get stupid prizes, And
Speaker 1: I got tired of stupid pride. I mean, it's like playing.
Speaker 1: It's like you, No, nothing that you get out there
Speaker 1: is going to be permanent. It's going to be this
Speaker 1: is the way it changed horse into this or that.
Speaker 4: But roller can put that out there. It kind of
Speaker 4: is permanent.
Speaker 1: You got to give them something. I think you have
Speaker 1: to give people something that's like they can hang on
Speaker 1: to mentally, something that sticks in their head. Well, I agree,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying about.
Speaker 4: He's always looking.
Speaker 2: I love it because he's always looking for the next
Speaker 2: thing that moves him.
Speaker 4: And but he but I never discount the stuff that's
Speaker 4: already there. I'm like, you know what, I'm.
Speaker 1: Right like the deep tracks if you follow my case,
Speaker 1: pretty hey, yeah, you wrote all Joe Burn went around there,
Speaker 1: you went around the bend again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you wrote all the tracks that are that
Speaker 2: we're working on, so you're you know, there's not none
Speaker 2: of my A.
Speaker 1: Lot of people write some of the lyrics. I write
Speaker 1: the song's got a movie before the lyrics. Let me too.
Speaker 4: I have the music person, then I put the lyrics.
Speaker 4: But you know my, uh well, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I think it's all been done so much that we
Speaker 1: have to honest, Like, you know, Alan holwork was a
Speaker 1: big influence on me. He's what it does all the
Speaker 1: John Carpenter movies.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh yeah, man, it's the opening scene to Halloween.
Speaker 3: Four is one of my favorite musical movie moments.
Speaker 1: Ay good. You know he believes in four forty two
Speaker 1: and I do too. I mean, it's just a nicer
Speaker 1: four forty irritates me. If I listened to it a
Speaker 1: long time, it irritates me. I started to go like
Speaker 1: that pitch four forty two is like more than natural
Speaker 1: rhythm of the universe. I can hear it when you're
Speaker 1: just in school, you know what I mean. I went
Speaker 1: to the same school Pev Herbert went, dude, rather.
Speaker 3: Get out where should people go to get the update
Speaker 3: on the album? And they should go to the website?
Speaker 4: Right Well, I'm going to start putting things up on Spotify.
Speaker 2: I've just been so busy doing all the things that
Speaker 2: we're doing, promoting and digging, and in the studio I.
Speaker 1: Talked shit about it. I'd rather put it out let
Speaker 1: speak for itself.
Speaker 4: You know, well, yeah, you got watch where they're going
Speaker 4: to get it, right, Yeah, but you have.
Speaker 3: To have something to give them because I want to help.
Speaker 3: I want to help get the word out.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you so much. Every release that we
Speaker 4: have to dated tube right now is where I.
Speaker 2: Put a up most quickly, but definitely once I get
Speaker 2: it because I work.
Speaker 4: With one company that helps promote it. Websites are places
Speaker 4: that things will be updated. I have a Facebook.
Speaker 2: Page, Instagram that gets updated regularly, and then also the
Speaker 2: channel for YouTube, and then we'll start doing you know,
Speaker 2: Spotify and all that kind of stuff as well.
Speaker 3: So let's wind down with books here, because obviously this
Speaker 3: podcast is it's booked on rock, so we focus on
Speaker 3: rock and roll books. So what any music books that
Speaker 3: have meant a lot to you?
Speaker 1: I read Hammered to Gods. I read me Alice. I
Speaker 1: thought Alice Cooper's one was interesting because he had a
Speaker 1: lot of good narrative in how you know Chef Gordon
Speaker 1: came into the Cheetah Club and they were so bad
Speaker 1: that they cleared the whole club out like ten minutes.
Speaker 1: He came, goes, I want to manage your guys, and
Speaker 1: there was anybody clear out of auditorium quick.
Speaker 3: I think that's how a print down.
Speaker 1: I like up and Down with the Rolling Stones, but
Speaker 1: that was mainly kind of he was down. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Heroin and coke and all that kind of nonsense.
Speaker 4: That was a good book, though, I thought, well.
Speaker 1: It showed you. It showed how Keith Richards was. When
Speaker 1: Bobby Keys is odd, he said, fucking god, am I
Speaker 1: going to give you any of mine? You know?
Speaker 4: And I just got the Keith Richards but but I
Speaker 4: haven't read it yet.
Speaker 1: The Who Who had a good one, but together they're
Speaker 1: so crazy, I mean the one the band. Some of
Speaker 1: the English bands were so flambuollyant. I mean, how the
Speaker 1: hell did The Who survive? And kitt language that if
Speaker 1: they kept destroying gear, they're going to go back. They
Speaker 1: went bank up the first tour they did, and then
Speaker 1: you know, then Roger punched Pete Douc and the vocals
Speaker 1: are loud up on quadraphedia and ship like that. I
Speaker 1: was interestowing all that stuff, but a lot of it
Speaker 1: was whoy You know that was written by the authors
Speaker 1: that either had an antagonistic view of the of the
Speaker 1: players and stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean that well, the Keith Richards book,
Speaker 3: because that that was like that brought on a resurgence
Speaker 3: of rock and roll books memoirs. Now, yeah, so many.
Speaker 3: I read Dave's book, David Lee's book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one time. And my name's a way
Speaker 1: in the back of the index. Alex meant to me
Speaker 1: in his book one time.
Speaker 4: Did you read that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I read I. I had an autographed copy of it.
Speaker 1: Oh it's more of as I like the mumbers at
Speaker 1: the girl in the tag he goes, my mom really
Speaker 1: don't how to pack of lunch. He'd find some funny ship.
Speaker 1: But I've seen him make such a path of himself,
Speaker 1: like with with Robin Williams and Jay Leno or the
Speaker 1: two best improv guys that business. He really stepped it
Speaker 1: at that night.
Speaker 3: That was surreal. That's ninety five.
Speaker 1: That was he played with me when you do Las
Speaker 1: Vegas and then got fired in Las Vegas. I mean
Speaker 1: it was like he had a residency there and she said,
Speaker 1: we don't want you anymore. Yeah, had a way I
Speaker 1: kind of shooting yourself in the front.
Speaker 4: I think, like, what about that theory of you know,
Speaker 4: there is no bad publicity?
Speaker 1: Did that work for him?
Speaker 3: Such things?
Speaker 1: There's bad publicity?
Speaker 3: Well, you were with him? Are on the time he
Speaker 3: got busted for pot in New York City right with it?
Speaker 3: Spring of ninety.
Speaker 1: Four, got mad at me for getting drunk in Sammy's
Speaker 1: Romainian restaurant, and he goes and gets the butt to
Speaker 1: the next day, I score a joint down in the
Speaker 1: Grammar Street Park. We you know, drive around the city
Speaker 1: on bicycles. Goes, you know what he goes. He hung
Speaker 1: four thousand people on that tree. Said I want to
Speaker 1: wear a guitar. Would sound like if you made it
Speaker 1: from the wood? I said, I don't think it would
Speaker 1: make any difference. He paid a well, well, hu's way
Speaker 1: to go to a record there.
Speaker 3: You know, you should write a book about your I could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know more than I should. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you that I watched. I liked watch watching. You know,
Speaker 1: I remember introducing Edward to Norman Harris. Norman had all
Speaker 1: the guitars right, Norm's rare guitars. Him and George controlled
Speaker 1: the world market, and Norman started out in Florida selling
Speaker 1: Sunburst left balls for four and fifty dollars. And I
Speaker 1: at the point when I got Edward does two fifty
Speaker 1: nine eleven, five hundred for both of them, and then
Speaker 1: he took the pickups out of him and he gave
Speaker 1: him back in Norm about twenty years LATERCS and normals,
Speaker 1: I don't want him because I'd give you a half
Speaker 1: a million for him. You took the pickups out of him,
Speaker 1: so you know that was like you had to do
Speaker 1: the stuff.
Speaker 3: If I can help in any way, I could, you know,
Speaker 3: get you some contacts in the publishing business and you know,
Speaker 3: if you were ever interested in them. Mark Kendall's got
Speaker 3: a book coming out from Yeah, wow, man, it'd be great.
Speaker 3: So you got all the stores from the from from
Speaker 3: the days growing.
Speaker 1: Up Dodge of Funny Ship. We used to go out
Speaker 1: on the Marquee at the Trouba door and put all
Speaker 1: kinds of obscene words out there, and Doug wet to
Speaker 1: get so pissed off. Everard was like they think they
Speaker 1: weren't real popular with with the with the with the
Speaker 1: management class. I mean, like I remember Rod Stewart, which
Speaker 1: we were watching a soccer game with you because I
Speaker 1: knew his hairstylist and I went down to the watch
Speaker 1: him playing, and he goes, hey, this guy knows Van
Speaker 1: Halen and Rod Dribble. They're a bunch of dick Jesus
Speaker 1: correct stuff. Will tell you that he has very short
Speaker 1: arms and long pockets.
Speaker 3: He's been canceling some shows recently. Rod Stewart, Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: just having some issues. On one show he had he
Speaker 3: had to put the thing to get oxygen. In the
Speaker 3: really show, he had to sit down. So I hope
Speaker 3: he's o good.
Speaker 1: That was something that you and I when we met
Speaker 1: that he was one of the best performers out there live.
Speaker 1: He was in his prime nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 3: They were on them Yes and Faces and working.
Speaker 4: Together were thinking of the faces.
Speaker 1: The sounds like his vocals on it, right, He said,
Speaker 1: how much you do too bad by the faces? Right?
Speaker 1: It's got the big piano intro with Nicky Hopkins. I
Speaker 1: use a guitar senter and assimulating because it's just blocked
Speaker 1: chords and that song. You gotta remember, these guys were
Speaker 1: playing stadiums back in nineteen seventy three. They were a
Speaker 1: stadium band. Ronnie Lade and Hiwak built a four oh
Speaker 1: five FM, a four hundred and five what you know,
Speaker 1: a pad that was just absolutely outside of the envelope.
Speaker 1: I thought he did that because they played stadium if
Speaker 1: they wanted to use one air.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite.
Speaker 3: Fans, well, his his vocals on on Jeff Beck's Truth. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean morning do. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Somebody gave Jeff back a bad time about the Truth
Speaker 1: because the truth is the album. This is the truth
Speaker 1: about this album. Yeah yeah, but I think he was
Speaker 1: most roading a guitar player ever lived. Nobody will ever touch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's all by himself then, I mean, he didn't influence
Speaker 1: that many people, but he influenced everybody because you could
Speaker 1: touch the guitar the way he did. It was like
Speaker 1: a goodvining rod for him. I mean he had a
Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like a sad you can make
Speaker 1: it sound like a little sad animal. Yes, he's talking
Speaker 1: to you. You know, he'd play along with little birds
Speaker 1: in his kitchen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did that on You Had a Coming.
Speaker 3: He's got that one where he's talking to I think
Speaker 3: it's called Blackbird and he's talking to the birds. But
Speaker 3: the other thing I was gonna say is, if you
Speaker 3: get a chance, get that book by Brad and Chris
Speaker 3: blow by Blow. It's it's a really good book.
Speaker 1: Really, I would like to read that. I read that.
Speaker 1: The last one I read that was good was just recently,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't impressed with the writing. I think that
Speaker 1: somebody had a chip on their shoulder about all those books.
Speaker 1: Was not very informative to me. It was kind of
Speaker 1: like closed off. You know. You talked about the people,
Speaker 1: but all the people that really were in their lives
Speaker 1: back then are all dead. They were tightest with the
Speaker 1: Emberson Brobers. They both committed suicide, I mean their own cousins.
Speaker 1: They stole their platinum records. They thought there was real
Speaker 1: platinum in those records.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh yeah, stole them off the wall and
Speaker 3: that the little house there they stole.
Speaker 1: And I got blamed for it. And evergoes he was.
Speaker 1: He was at the forum with me because they invited
Speaker 1: me down to you know, the first couple of tours. Well,
Speaker 1: they said they thought would be I was jealous or something.
Speaker 1: That was no way jealous. I was glad to get
Speaker 1: rid of those fuckers so I could get a gig.
Speaker 1: You got all the good gigs after that, one of
Speaker 1: the last big dog in town. Oh my god, Trouble
Speaker 1: wasn't my My rhythm section was never as good as Alan. Like,
Speaker 1: Al was a great drummer. I stand by. He was
Speaker 1: as much entertainment to watch as ever was because he
Speaker 1: said such attitude, I mean the energy those guys. I
Speaker 1: remember already Agaginian's raceway, you know Askot It was a
Speaker 1: big raceway out here. Already Agagenian would throw parties down
Speaker 1: on Lombard and the huge house that had four acres
Speaker 1: of land, and Al would play, and he jump up
Speaker 1: in those drums and spit and drink, slit them mouth
Speaker 1: and then fight with somebody spared him all night long.
Speaker 1: After the gig. Wow, they did ridiculous ship. I mean
Speaker 1: John Bosco Tech. They said, carry better regret that for
Speaker 1: me and I got over and had a smoke plot
Speaker 1: with about a quarter pound of gunpowder in it. He
Speaker 1: blew me wrap up the stage. I thought it was
Speaker 1: the funniest thing in the rock that you got your asshole.
Speaker 1: And Alex could drive him up next to people on
Speaker 1: the freeway and pull his paint down, Sticky's ants out
Speaker 1: the window and never were driving little secretary driving home
Speaker 1: from work. They like to get a reaction out of people,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: But you see, this is this is the book. You've
Speaker 3: got the stories. Man, You gotta look, you gotta definitely
Speaker 3: consider that.
Speaker 1: They played a place called Barnacle Bills and it was
Speaker 1: like something out of the Barbary Coast. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you could get the saliva off the walls and nicotine
Speaker 1: stains on the ceiling where like you could you could
Speaker 1: smoke it right, I'm not a beer that they drank.
Speaker 1: We used to call them edcohol and alcohol because old
Speaker 1: man was all you know, he was. He played down
Speaker 1: at that what is the Dutch to the Danish place
Speaker 1: down in the Hawthorn that's got the uh all the
Speaker 1: European your dad probably went there. All the European people
Speaker 1: went to these pop they played Polka's right, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: where Jan came from. But me and Ev did have
Speaker 1: the edge because we both had grandfathers that were woodwind players.
Speaker 1: And we played John Ackerman, you know, focus, hocus focus,
Speaker 1: cause Akerman was fast and we couldn't figure out what
Speaker 1: he's doing. And Ed's dad goes, it's a backwards diminute scale.
Speaker 1: It's been notated.
Speaker 4: I thought, fuck is that Alpine village?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Alpine village. And I was playing in my grandmother's house
Speaker 1: when I was about fourteen, and my grandfather comes in.
Speaker 1: He hadn't played play the Boston orph him and Carnegie
Speaker 1: all for twenty years. What are you playing that Chinese
Speaker 1: music for? You know that Dalian guy that works underworld.
Speaker 1: We have to hear. What do you playing that Chiny
Speaker 1: music for? That's what don't you know what a sharp
Speaker 1: and a flat is? I said, no, Grandpa goes, sit down.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show yourself. You guys clear. That showed me
Speaker 1: how to do all seven modes. He goes, that's your
Speaker 1: diminished mode. You pay attention to. That's what you guys,
Speaker 1: you hopheads do now call hopheads you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It was? It was my mom goes, you're not letting
Speaker 1: those men help Alen boys in the house are you
Speaker 1: tell me tet your shoes off when they come in here?
Speaker 1: And I remember going over to Ed's house on a Halloween.
Speaker 1: I was wearing a boiler suit like he used to wear.
Speaker 1: The white Yeah, you were that the other guy. I
Speaker 1: was young. I was yelling at him. I was yelling
Speaker 1: at him, and his mom goos, she's a Dutch Indonesian lady.
Speaker 4: She goes, oh, that's what.
Speaker 1: There's a spook by the fence. And I remember at
Speaker 1: when summer is over the top of the coming house.
Speaker 1: Very much a mama's boy and the girl and Eds
Speaker 1: like and control everything. Matriarchal. Come from a very matriarchal
Speaker 1: European family, and a woman dominates. I mean, mister van
Speaker 1: Haim was always drunk, sitting in his fishing boat out
Speaker 1: in the yard, in the he played at Alpinelle with
Speaker 1: the clarinet.
Speaker 3: Did Ed boil his is it chew? He boiled his
Speaker 3: strings in the uh in his mother's strings.
Speaker 1: You boil all the life out of them. They're dead
Speaker 1: when you put them on.
Speaker 4: I knew another guy that did that.
Speaker 1: We used the Floyd Roses out and you fine tuner,
Speaker 1: So how the hell do you keep that in tune?
Speaker 1: He couldn't keep it in tune.
Speaker 3: And and did he also did he also hang the
Speaker 3: guitars after they were painted on the clothesline. That's the
Speaker 3: stories that he would he would hang his guitar on
Speaker 3: his mom.
Speaker 1: How are you doing with the electrical tape and swim
Speaker 1: bicycle white blacker with black pieces of electrical tape that
Speaker 1: were done in the pattern? Say that's kind of neat.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, it's a it's like a
Speaker 1: Picasso thing. I mean, it's a trademark. But that took
Speaker 1: the years, but he beat those guitars up something fierce.
Speaker 1: But I remember we played the last gig they ever played, Passagina.
Speaker 1: I did an opener and we were actually very good.
Speaker 1: But they ever, they went for broke. I mean they
Speaker 1: played that night like it was the last night they
Speaker 1: ever had to play a non professional gig, and they did.
Speaker 1: I mean, they could have that band could have broke up,
Speaker 1: but they they stuck together and they worked three hundred
Speaker 1: days a year for several years to get back what
Speaker 1: they didn't get from the sex pistols got all the attention.
Speaker 1: They were a bunch of funk ups. I mean, look
Speaker 1: at Siddy, know that moment. I mean they can't for sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: I have a bootleg of the Pasadena Civic and Dave says,
Speaker 3: this is the last show.
Speaker 1: Because they just signed a boat house uh and Ready
Speaker 1: Kill a Lot and Ben Halen Wow. And it was
Speaker 1: like they were different. I mean like they got popular
Speaker 1: because they had such a draw. I mean they all
Speaker 1: the school's Arcadia High all the way down with people Rivera.
Speaker 1: They had a big promotional thing, people will go out,
Speaker 1: you know, put ten thousand flyers out. And when they played,
Speaker 1: I mean it just all they do is show up.
Speaker 1: They played Guzars all the time, which didn't you know,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of nights there's nobody in there.
Speaker 1: And then there was Knights that Roger Waters and Ricky
Speaker 1: Richie Blackmore came in and I said, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna don't don't don't play out of tune. There was
Speaker 1: like a half step out of tune. They played Firehouse
Speaker 1: by Kiss. I mean it was back then.
Speaker 4: They didn't even have tuonors though, did they.
Speaker 1: No, we hadn't. I mean, just you tune them up
Speaker 1: and you played exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah. That's why sometimes you listen to old albums and
Speaker 4: you hear there slightly off, you know, and it's kind
Speaker 4: of great.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's one thing I don't like about modern studios is
Speaker 2: all the engineers. They want to take it and make
Speaker 2: everything perfect, and I'm like, I don't want it.
Speaker 1: Don't say we do a song, you like it, you
Speaker 1: play a really good verse, you take that same version,
Speaker 1: you thread it, and all the other verse lots. It
Speaker 1: loses something, doesn't I agree? Yeah? Yeah? And then like
Speaker 1: you never would have a jagger Richard put a stake
Speaker 1: to the teleporter harmony.
Speaker 2: You didn't if you wanted it perfect, like they would
Speaker 2: destroy that, you know, So I always let it, let.
Speaker 1: It be no. But you know, while they recording the
Speaker 1: old days like propo Harum on the home album, they
Speaker 1: did it live. They sang it and played it live.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't mess up. But just like back in
Speaker 4: the big band era, too is the same. They had
Speaker 4: a good recond the whole band redo, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: They had outtakes from that home album and they played
Speaker 1: it exactly. Everybody showed up, got in there and performed
Speaker 1: go over drubs, know nothing, and you think, wow, that
Speaker 1: how they used to do it.
Speaker 3: And there was a drummer tell me recently that Charlie
Speaker 3: Watts was technically not perfect, but who better to play
Speaker 3: the stones Charlie.
Speaker 1: You know what you couldn't do with Charlie. You could
Speaker 1: turn a metronomonom He never went off the beat, never, Charlie.
Speaker 3: Charlie Watts.
Speaker 1: I love Ringo. That shopple were you ever seeing where
Speaker 1: Greg Bisnette explained getting all the drummers that explain, Yes,
Speaker 1: the ringo thing, and it's just you know, it was
Speaker 1: his own thing.
Speaker 3: Charlie would do that thing where he would like it
Speaker 3: almost sounds like it's the sound of somebody like diving
Speaker 3: into the water. He'd hit the snare and then snare
Speaker 3: and yeah, it was a really cool effect to that. So, okay,
Speaker 3: this was phenomenal. This is fantastic. We're talking for like
Speaker 3: almost three hours here. This is just so awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the guy that I really think
Speaker 1: they really need to get some credit here at Harvey Mandel,
Speaker 1: because he was he was like Jeff Beck back in
Speaker 1: Blow by Blow, you're doing instrumental music. His son was
Speaker 1: murdered up by the Oakland police because his kid got
Speaker 1: in some trouble. But Harvey had a hard life, but
Speaker 1: he was a great guitar player. He got kind of
Speaker 1: stepped on.
Speaker 3: Was he doing the finger tapping stuff as well?
Speaker 1: He was on the Rolling Stones album Black what was it?
Speaker 1: Black and Blue?
Speaker 3: Black and Blue? Which song? Oh my god, what a song?
Speaker 1: Don't that? That's harvey vibe is Harvey went all the way?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, another one.
Speaker 1: And then that's when they were thinking about put Harvey
Speaker 1: in the band. And then you know, naturally Ronnie would
Speaker 1: fit in a lot better than Harvey.
Speaker 3: And they thought about Jeff Beck joining the Stones.
Speaker 1: Harvey played with what were they called John Sugarcane Harris
Speaker 1: the junkie dead now the fiddle player, but he would
Speaker 1: play with the Pure Food and Drug act that was
Speaker 1: a big act in La back in nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 1: But he had a neat sound. He had a really organic,
Speaker 1: kind of cool sound. And I knew his family really
Speaker 1: well because that's I took lessons from him, the door,
Speaker 1: the way he played, and he traded me for like
Speaker 1: babyshit my son, Eric and you give me some lesson.
Speaker 3: Terry, Christy, thank you so much. We're gonna I was
Speaker 3: telling Christy to just send me all the links you
Speaker 3: guys want to send me, so people can stay up
Speaker 3: the date on this album when it comes out, and
Speaker 3: then send me some tracks and we can play some
Speaker 3: the best.
Speaker 1: I can try to make some magic. There's a magic
Speaker 1: he's already made.
Speaker 3: It, tell you, And will you be playing some of
Speaker 3: the Dave stuff live?
Speaker 1: If he's like, I really hope that I've got a
Speaker 1: good settlement and I can buy back some of his ship.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I invested in trying to get what he
Speaker 2: needs to record, and so we're definitely are going to
Speaker 2: play live.
Speaker 1: That's not cool, it's all. It's going to end up
Speaker 1: on midget p three anyhow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you feeling optimistic about the lawsuit?
Speaker 1: Very because you know what they've proven him that they're
Speaker 1: all twenty six hours were faulty, and the wind blew
Speaker 1: the garrelic tower and molten metal went down the ground.
Speaker 1: They didn't get baiting and think they were supposed to
Speaker 1: clean up. They sucked up all the way around. Harry's
Speaker 1: got so here, I got nineteen billion dollars, got there ready,
Speaker 1: and it's not even there.
Speaker 3: Mony sure is the lawyer telling you to be patient
Speaker 3: because those things to get drunk.
Speaker 1: We were at a meeting and they started talking about
Speaker 1: how their ce yogat a sixteen million dollar bonus for
Speaker 1: burning my house.
Speaker 3: Down, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same Froggy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if that's the case, you know, but it's terrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the best of that. I mean whatever whatever
Speaker 3: I could do to help her that man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah for Connecticut. You got from Wapping, from Irish and.
Speaker 3: I can't be made. I'm like denarow, I can't be made.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get made in your best friend, I didn't
Speaker 1: take Believe me if I was back aches that have
Speaker 1: been in the Crew's.
Speaker 3: A small world story. Roberts DeNiro's aunt lived in my hometown.
Speaker 3: She was friends with my mom. She passed. She passed
Speaker 3: only a few years ago. She's like ninety something. But yeah,
Speaker 3: she lived right in town here that he used to come. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he'd come by.
Speaker 1: From the long lineas grow Democrats.
Speaker 3: Man, I'd love to I'd love to meet you someday
Speaker 3: in person. If if you guys are coming around coast.
Speaker 1: I get out that way. She'll be out that way tomorrow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, look okay, yeah yeah, get ready.
Speaker 1: For the humidity. My tallest building you kind of go
Speaker 1: far up and you can't see it, and then.
Speaker 2: He's telling me all those places he stayed, and I'm
Speaker 2: like looking them up, I'm like, oh, I won't be
Speaker 2: staying in those places where you tour.
Speaker 1: To date, I think you know very far. My bill
Speaker 1: is like fifty six dollars every month. I said, why
Speaker 1: are we here? Go home seven miles away. I mean,
Speaker 1: ocean is the best room we had there. It's an
Speaker 1: old supermarket. They come into a studio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well thanks again, guys. This was this was so
Speaker 3: cool man. I'm just so glad we made this happen.
Speaker 1: God man, that's it.
Speaker 3: It's in the books.