WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.040 You just developed that secondhand you know thing. He would 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:04.759 do chords like that. You showed me how to do it. 3 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:06.599 I thought, well, that's cool, but I didn't think nothing 4 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:08.240 of it. I thought, of course, if you put your 5 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:10.519 finger down, how it's gonna make nooy right? And I thought, 6 00:00:10.519 --> 00:00:12.199 I watch a good trick. I use it for like, 7 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:14.960 you know, stupid little things. But Ed picked up on it. 8 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:20.120 With the venues were totally rock and roll. I mean, 9 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:21.440 I'll leave you you're reading. 10 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:24.760 Little hands this, It's time to rock and roll roll. 11 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:26.679 I totally booked. 12 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:34.439 Welcome back to Booked on Rock conversations with authors, musicians 13 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:38.920 and insiders revealing the stories behind classic rocks, greatest songs, albums, 14 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:41.759 and artists. If you're enjoying the show you'd like to 15 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:43.479 support it, you can sign up for the Booked on 16 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:46.880 Rock Backstage Pass on Patreon for just five dollars a month, 17 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.039 get every episode commercial free and before everyone else. You 18 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:51.719 can use the link in the show notes or visit 19 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:55.719 Booked on Rock dot com. Now onto our guest. I'm 20 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:58.920 very excited about this. I'm joined by legendary guitarist Terry Kilgore, 21 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:02.240 a long time mixture of Southern California's rock scene, whose 22 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:05.599 remarkable careers included close friendships with Eddie Van Halen and 23 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:09.799 David Lee Roth, along with acclaimed guitar and songwriting work 24 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:13.920 on Roth's solo albums. After surviving the devastating ETN fire 25 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:17.799 that destroyed his home, studio and treasured guitar collection, Terry 26 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:20.439 is making an inspiring comeback with his brand new album, 27 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:22.879 The Devil's and the Details, and he is here to 28 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:27.079 share the incredible stories behind the music and the journey. Terry, 29 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:28.879 thank you so much for coming on the show, and 30 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:32.159 we also have to be here. Christy's with you as well. Christy, 31 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:34.840 you are singing on this upcoming album. 32 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:37.200 Right Yet the lyrics we're going to bang up job 33 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:38.760 very different. 34 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:42.200 Singing then we produced together. I go on the studio 35 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:45.480 sometimes sometimes we go together, and for the production. 36 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:47.319 They're not much coming out different than anything I've ever done. 37 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:49.120 But you know, that's what I want to do. When 38 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:50.599 you want to do things that you haven't done, you 39 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:52.200 have to do things that you don't do, you know. 40 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:55.840 Get that couple and the stage name is Corpus CHRISTI right, I. 41 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:57.239 Love that that's my stage name. 42 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:59.480 Yet that's cool, he played out live more than I do. 43 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:03.680 I mean, really, you know, it's I'm desperately trying to 44 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:06.799 make sense of a studio that's inside of an RV, 45 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:10.759 and it's different, you know, the gears up the snuff. 46 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:13.639 It's better than it ever been. But you know, it's 47 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:15.400 like when you when the fire hit. I mean I 48 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:18.039 wasn't thinking, obviously I'd take a six hundred guitar, six 49 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:20.639 hundred dollars guitar and leave the thirty thousand dollars burn. 50 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:24.719 It was like, well, you had a fire all coming 51 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:26.000 at you, so you weren't thinking. 52 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:28.120 I've never seen the like of it. Nobody ever has, 53 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.479 I don't think. And then you know, the bower off 54 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:32.280 at six o'clock and then they shut the water up 55 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:34.639 at about three in the morning, and we just couldn't 56 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:36.879 couldn't get wet enough. It was age redwood. My place 57 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:39.479 was one hundred and forty years old and never had 58 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.000 a not a hitch. And then they tried to say 59 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.360 it was you know, homeless people up there smoking cigarettes 60 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:47.280 up in two thousand feet up in a power tower. 61 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:49.759 Then we come to fly that all twenty six towers 62 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.800 that lead up to Sohmar are all faulty. Because they 63 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:56.479 didn't want to upset their shareholders, so they burnt nine 64 00:02:56.520 --> 00:03:00.960 thousand structures and their CEO got a sixteen million dollar bonus. 65 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:03.919 Unbelievable. That was almost exactly a year ago, wasn't. 66 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:05.599 It a year and a half ago? In the r 67 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:08.680 for a long all these years. Let me tell you 68 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:10.520 something might be fun on camping trip, but you don't 69 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:11.439 want to live in the morning. 70 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:12.919 Yeah, it was too long. 71 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:15.159 With all the amenities, it's still opinion. You ask because 72 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:18.360 you're you're in basically get a fiberglass kiln and do 73 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:20.120 work in there. You have to have wind blowing on 74 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.919 you all the time, you know, so it stretches the opinion. 75 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:26.840 Yeah, so we spend time in the studio, we spend 76 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:28.919 time playing here, and then. 77 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.879 He doesn't get out. You play out a little. 78 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:34.599 Bit, but more it's like, you know, well, you've played 79 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:36.479 in front of a lot of people and you're doing whatever. 80 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:38.439 It's not much fun to play in front of ten 81 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:41.439 twelve people in these clubs. It's really gotten small out here, 82 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:43.919 that team. It's small. I mean if you go into 83 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.400 the only places that we know they're really doing business, 84 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:50.680 or like beer bars and regular drinking bars that maybe 85 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.280 you have enough rooms, set a band up that has 86 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:55.840 to stand amongst the audience, just like they're part of 87 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:59.360 the you know, the the clientele. So it doesn't have 88 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:00.879 a stage feel to it. 89 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:02.919 And for me, I'm fine with anything. 90 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:06.400 I don't play anywhere anyone asked me, and so we 91 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:08.039 play a house of Blues quite a bit. 92 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:11.039 He's got a good out the cuff thing. She can 93 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:14.080 adapt quick. I can adapt. But it's just like you 94 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:17.079 get used to. I have a certain idea about how 95 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:19.920 I want to be projected and I haven't gotten to 96 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:21.600 it yet because it does a lot of work. 97 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:24.839 You've been in a r V doing your life. 98 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:26.720 I mean, so I think that you just need to 99 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:28.600 give yourself a little bit of time again. 100 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:30.240 So well you take ship for granted, because you know, 101 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:32.160 I had a beautiful studio and I'm thinking I go 102 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:36.240 in there and record anytime. I'll wait. Now it's work. 103 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.480 He's got a bit of a life adjustment until his 104 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:42.399 everything sorts out and he gets his house back. You know, 105 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:44.160 once he gets a house back, it will change. But 106 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:47.120 right now he's been uprooted, so yeah, he's not playing 107 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:48.120 out like you used to. 108 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:49.360 But that'll change. 109 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:51.759 Well, you know, I would play off. But you know, 110 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:53.199 I don't want to play standards. I mean, I'm going 111 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:57.639 to play that funky music, white boy fas I came from. 112 00:04:57.720 --> 00:04:59.560 You're going to play your originals. 113 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:01.959 I I think the guys would do that. They relegate 114 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.879 themselves to that life. Yeah, if you play that kind 115 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.240 of ship, people will devaluate the value the department. We 116 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:08.240 don't make any money at all. 117 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:10.759 I don't find funky music right by. 118 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:14.279 But he's just like paid to do this ship, you know, 119 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:16.439 And I was better when I got paid. 120 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:19.120 I think a belated birthday is in order, right. 121 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:19.959 Yeah, that's good. 122 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:22.040 You're so good. 123 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:24.079 I was gonna say, seventy one years young. 124 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:27.160 Yes, yeah, I'm in a better shape than some of them. 125 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:29.120 But you know, I don't I don't know what Dave 126 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:35.959 did him so, but he looks bad and he was strong. 127 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.319 Believe me, when I worked with that guy, You've never 128 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:42.120 seen stronger fingers. He could take his middle fingers and 129 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:43.759 put him out of door jam and take his whole 130 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:47.480 weight up down with it several times those from binding 131 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:47.920 and stuff. 132 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.319 So yeah, he's always been an amazing shape. I think 133 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:50.759 he's the same. 134 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:52.560 He would have been a great gym coach. 135 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:58.199 Right, or a game show for teacher can. 136 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.399 Get stuimes that backfires out sword fighting? You remember on 137 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:04.120 Jimmy Kimmel's kind of backfire. Oh yeah, he knocked about knocked. 138 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:06.600 His beak off, exactly did you see that? 139 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:08.720 With your own story, you got to look at that like, hey, 140 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:12.319 if that was a blade, you'd be missing your snobs now. 141 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:14.720 Yeah, you grew up in a very musical family right 142 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:16.680 in Altadina. Talk about that. Your father had a love 143 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:19.000 of rock and roll and your mother was a Flamenco 144 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:19.720 guitar player. 145 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:22.959 Yeah, well I learned basically, I picked up the guitar. 146 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:26.240 She played Flamenco. But it was a craze in nineteen 147 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.319 sixty there was a big Flamenco craze and all the 148 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:32.759 housewives will get guitars and learning Flamenco. And she got 149 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.920 to serve. My uncle's taught her, and I mean real Flamenco. 150 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:38.040 You work on compos your right hand for a year 151 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:41.720 before you've ever touched anything over here. So it's like 152 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:43.399 being a heart player that you have to learn all 153 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:45.279 those techniques and be able to play them in time. 154 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:48.519 So my mom was a harsh judge. You know what, 155 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:51.000 I mean, my progress is slow. You as you suck, 156 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:54.199 you get to do that. And you know, she had 157 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:56.519 a a Flamenco guitar that had action about that tall, 158 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:59.439 so it was not comfortable to play. And then finally 159 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:01.040 I got, you know, my first I think it was 160 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.800 a nineteenth Strand who in the sixty seven or eight telecaster, 161 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:07.240 and after beating it up for a couple of years, 162 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:10.319 I got an SG and then everything. That's when the 163 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:12.879 Golden Era started, with the cool amps, you know, fifty 164 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.680 old fifty watt marshals and the uh you know Goodman 165 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.319 audience speakers that were in high watching. We've got a 166 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:23.160 really exotic, clandestine sound out of these things back then. 167 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:28.480 And Ed had that ed super lead was the same 168 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:30.839 one that they used at the Rose Fils for Reynolds 169 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.160 at sixty eight Fletchy that John Zata bought. He played 170 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:36.480 that thing to where I remember it was in fifty 171 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:40.560 one fifty always left with the chassis. The box was gone. Yeah, 172 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:45.279 a rearstat, a big rearstat, right, So Don Landy really 173 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:47.439 got to give Don Landy a lot of credit for 174 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:48.439 that Van Halen sounds. 175 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:50.120 Rest in Peace just passed away. 176 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:52.839 Well that's what's don with that. You know, eleven seventy 177 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:55.040 sixth compression like on drop Dead Legs where the chord 178 00:07:55.120 --> 00:08:01.079 comes in a home. That's like really ingenious pracket. So 179 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.959 he used some good, good devices and don't don't forget 180 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.759 to Evan legendary Evan died nine ten, which was on 181 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:11.639 all Van Halen records and all Ozzy stuff because it's 182 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.040 got you know, it had a really organic quality. 183 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:15.480 Is that what we're trying to get? 184 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:16.759 Yeah, I had one. 185 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.560 I burned it up, had everything burned up. 186 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:23.600 You find him in special effects companies do folly and 187 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:26.319 stuff like that because it has a keyboard. Players are 188 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:29.319 crazy about it because the godlike quality, because it's got 189 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:32.600 limits and it keys up on certain keys to define 190 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.639 the mix. But you know, if you listen to what 191 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:38.639 their progress was the ones, he was very frank to 192 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:40.240 be about it. So which one did you like? Is 193 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:43.360 Giver Down? I hated? So it's the worst record we ever. 194 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.440 He's talked about that because too many covers. 195 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:50.360 He didn't like fare Warning either. He it was hostile. 196 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.679 It was a hostile period because they got to the 197 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.039 point at Becordia. Rudy Laren, who was AD's guitar tech 198 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:00.200 all those years and Greg Emerson who kills himself a 199 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:05.399 suicide us. A lot of the guys that we worked 200 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:08.519 with did just that. I mean Doug Birch we've turned with. 201 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:11.240 He was decapitated of his way to the gorge. Do 202 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:14.240 sound for a concerto from the Day and a half 203 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:15.000 to find his head? 204 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:18.240 Oh my god? Was Greg Emerson the one that they 205 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.840 wrote the song uh for? It was the A bonus 206 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:25.240 track on balance crossing Over? 207 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.480 I think so yeah, it's it was I think something 208 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:31.840 ed conveyed, but Sammy did the vocals and you know 209 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:35.639 it's going to be his own viewpoint. But they needed 210 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:37.799 somebody like Samy with the personality because Van Hall was 211 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:40.559 pretty snotty when they had Dave. I mean they made 212 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:42.480 people get those brown am and picked the brown m 213 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:44.799 and ms out of stuck and they thought that would 214 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:47.360 make them much more attentive to the She didn't want 215 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:50.519 to get the bad end of those guys, because you 216 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:52.879 know it with Sterling Ball and Edwards like this. They 217 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:56.480 they had houses in Sagas that had the golf course 218 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:59.080 right in between him meet on the golf course. They 219 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:00.919 had a falling out over how much money I was 220 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:04.200 getting off the music man guitars or whatever. So that 221 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:06.360 went out there. You know, everybody that's dealt with them 222 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:10.080 had to. They wanted more money. They were they're very 223 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:14.960 European family. They they kept there to themselves financially and 224 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.120 didn't let anybody in their deal, you know. And Dave 225 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:20.600 was like ruthless. I mean, he just told me, guys, 226 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:22.879 when he was first with van Halen, they were wearing 227 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:26.519 you know, Crota sackers and Penalton and stuff, and that's 228 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:28.120 what they did. And he said, you got to got 229 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.039 to flash up a little bit, start dressing ed, you know, 230 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:34.240 telling them what to dress did. They were resentful at first, 231 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:38.799 but right of mine has We went to the Freakball, 232 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.120 the annual Freakball at Lax and this was liketeen seventy 233 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:43.759 three or four and a bunch of name acts. Van 234 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:47.559 Halen got a spot there and I wish I could 235 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:49.440 pull the pictures for that. Friend of mine has probably 236 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:53.039 three hundred pictures no one's ever seen, all thirty five millimeters, 237 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:56.200 you know, done on a like M five black and white, 238 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:00.399 very cool stuff. 239 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.840 Alex wrote the book Brothers, and he doesn't write about 240 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:06.000 the time with Sammy at all. And he doesn't mention 241 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:09.200 Sammy that they don't talk like Sammy wants to talk 242 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.759 with Alex, but Alex is not talking with that. 243 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:16.639 He didn't. Apparently Sammy became persona on Gradvy and they 244 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:19.399 were completely oppose that they were so thrilled to have him, 245 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:21.919 and I ted to tell you what, with all due respect, 246 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:24.360 I mean, at their top when they really started making 247 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:29.519 money from Ed Leffler. It was Sammy's. Sammy's manager was 248 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:32.480 Ed Leffler, and he made them a lot of money. 249 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:35.879 When he died, the whole thing got to where every 250 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:38.759 why aren't you running this business? Everyone was not a businessman. 251 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:41.480 He want to play guitar, so he wasn't handling it. 252 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:44.039 Sammy was way experienced that it had made a lot 253 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.840 of money for him, and he took over and they said, 254 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:49.000 they said, who's going to run this thing? Alex? 255 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:50.840 And then Ray Daniels stepped in. 256 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:53.960 Ray Daniels, well, Sammy just kind of had his management 257 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:56.120 and he want trying to find another manager, and they said, 258 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:57.840 he You're going to let Sammy run this. You know, 259 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:01.679 people got in between us, just hard to handle. Management 260 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:04.480 got between me and Dave. Dave went off one night 261 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:05.799 and I called him out on it because I went 262 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:07.320 to school with I was saying, fuck, you're not going 263 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:09.799 to do this to me, yell out the whole band, 264 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:12.919 and we were so well rehearsed on me. But it 265 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:14.799 was a very all of a sudden became apparent that 266 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:17.000 this is going to be a Van Halen Top forty tour. 267 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:19.679 And I was a friend with Everage, so it was 268 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:21.240 an insult to me to have to play his shit. 269 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:23.279 He didn't want to play it, but when you were 270 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:24.759 a dave, you're going to be stuck with that for 271 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:27.039 at the end of time. That's his that was his thing. 272 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:29.720 I understand that, but I just soon got out of 273 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:33.240 it because I was getting paid for the publishing and 274 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:35.320 mechanical roads. These aren't that great out on the road 275 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:39.080 these days, in fact, that people aren't even averaging two 276 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:40.120 thousand dollars a week. 277 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:43.080 Is it publishing for the songs on your Filthy Little 278 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:43.879 Mouth or is it? 279 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.080 Well, I had half that record. I mean, there's a 280 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.480 five forty five percent of the publishing of that record, 281 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:51.679 and it just wet Plattum about a year ago, after 282 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:55.720 what twenty something years, Because all of his stuff sells generally, 283 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:58.919 it's on the Van Handlin catalog withst So. But I 284 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:00.639 haven't seen a whole lot of money of it. I 285 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:02.600 mean there's one incident where I asked for money and 286 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:05.399 got it because he was holding my checks and she's 287 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.480 Christy go for the Diamond Dave Enterprises. 288 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:11.639 And right now the time that you could use the money. 289 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:14.840 Yeah, well, so it's like more in this w They knows. 290 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:17.200 I'm many jam. I don't expect anything. I didn't expect 291 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:19.080 anything from Edward. I mean, Everard said he's gonna help 292 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:21.919 get a record done in nineteen eighty seven. We worked 293 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:23.399 on it real hard, but he had to go to 294 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.879 Betty Ford so many times that year that that he 295 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:28.919 just he could attention. It couldn't be given to it. 296 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:31.679 And you had your you got your income. 297 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:34.960 Relacious motorcycle action, I told him, I said, ed I've 298 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.879 been driving motorcycles for thirty years. You should not be 299 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.799 driving one. There's some guys that should drive them. 300 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:43.080 So right now you're owed money from from the your 301 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:43.919 filthy little mouse. 302 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.919 I'm certain that a lot of sources only money I'm 303 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:47.840 seen to Donald. 304 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:50.279 And where where does that stay? Have you spoken with attorneys? 305 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:52.799 Twenty two songs published out there that I'm not making 306 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:53.279 money on it. 307 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.000 He speaks with attorneys for Edison, but right now, like 308 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.320 his studio burns, so that was a source of income. 309 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:00.240 His rental property for literally. 310 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.080 Took my whole. I mean, my mom's ashes, my brother's actions, 311 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:04.720 my step everything's gone. 312 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:06.519 Yeah, I'm so sorry to hear that. 313 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:09.519 I mean, nothing, nothing left. And I didn't wasn't thinking, 314 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:12.159 you know, I'm I was sitting there with a Jamie 315 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:14.360 hunting out on the lawn chair, it out in the front. 316 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.799 I said, you know what, I get pretty well, only 317 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:19.039 if a firestorm could take me up. Right. 318 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:21.399 There was a gofund me and I know it was 319 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:23.000 posted on the Van Helen news desk too. 320 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:26.799 Oh my daughter raised forty five thousand dollars for me. Yeah, 321 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:29.000 thank you, and I paid. I gave her a lot 322 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.639 for her college, and she helped her mother and got 323 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:33.039 her a car because we were gone. 324 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:34.120 So it definitely helped. 325 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:37.000 It definitely helped. Thank you to anybody. A lot of 326 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:38.919 my cousins and a lot of my friends came forward. 327 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:42.679 I'm breakless hell, but you know what it's at this 328 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:45.600 day and age, he's got to make a lot of 329 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:47.000 money just to live. I mean, it's got to be 330 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.559 tough with Connecticut, the taxes, a property taxes. 331 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:51.960 Durer, Trust me, I have a day job that I 332 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.559 don't necessarily love, but I got to make a living 333 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:56.440 and then I come home, and then I come home 334 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:58.039 and I do this stuff and I love talking to 335 00:14:58.039 --> 00:14:58.879 people like that in the. 336 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.440 Vacuum tube business and retired. I finally retired. I did 337 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.360 business over the front of mine and I still get 338 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.759 residual from it. But I'll tell you what, that was 339 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.240 a damn good business. Compared to the music business in 340 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:13.120 the last twenty years, it's been horrible. I mean, really, 341 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:15.519 nobody signed a deal if you if you had to, 342 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:19.039 if you're an act that was established, like even Steve Pearcy, 343 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:22.840 and you know, they struggle. Warren doesn't struggle though, but 344 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:26.039 you know Pearcy's out there playing a lot. We're killing him. 345 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:29.240 They basically killing himself. It's tough to go and tour 346 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:31.720 around the country. The first thing you're going to get 347 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:33.480 if you go out in the spring and winter time, 348 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:36.840 you're going to get pneumonia in within five weeks because 349 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:37.759 they don't let you sleep. 350 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:39.720 Well, that was the two you were on. 351 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:42.240 Yeah, they didn't make it when you go out with 352 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:45.279 Dave was not like fun and games. Yeah, gets he 353 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:46.919 gets mad at everybody, and you don't want to be 354 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:49.200 a guitar player, sound or a drama with that guy. 355 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:53.440 He just now he doesn't say anything, But before it 356 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:55.600 was like I was so important. It ruined a lot 357 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.399 of fun times. We had great shows. But man, he 358 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:00.960 was always so just and was it? 359 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:03.480 Raylu Zero said he was on the receiving end of 360 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:03.960 one of those. 361 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:08.039 Yeah. Ron Wicksow and Matt Businette was not real wild 362 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:10.720 about him either. They went at it quite a bit 363 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:12.799 because you know, when Greg's could get along with anybody, 364 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:14.879 you have to be kind of a I don't know, 365 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.120 gregarious type person to be around him and put up 366 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:20.320 with it, because if you get on his inner circle, 367 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:23.600 he's going to start picking at you. It's a he's 368 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.919 a different guy. He's been that way since he was fourteen. 369 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:28.600 I have family members like that. 370 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.559 You know, he's got a thing that his parents may 371 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:35.159 have go to some juvenile delinquent class, and he never 372 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:36.320 forgave before it. 373 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:39.000 That's the question. What people always have, like, is the 374 00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:42.159 Dave that we see on camera on stage, is that 375 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:45.919 the Dave that's you know, when the cameras are off. 376 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:47.679 Is he the same way? 377 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.960 It's not the same, And wherever you go it's different. 378 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:53.840 You go, well, we're gonna get this, We're going to 379 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:56.600 get this today. Or he's exceptric and he's funny, but 380 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:58.919 you know he plays weird games. I mean, Robin Ford 381 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:02.600 got mangled up by his weiler's estra Clara. He gave 382 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.079 up his aunts. Right. He'd make me walk by the 383 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.119 cave you sit the dog to bite my genitals up. 384 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:12.440 I'm going where near you. Yeah, they were like little boys. 385 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:14.799 They lived in the in the rooms of the mansion 386 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:16.880 with my masters. That's all pour up, you know, it's 387 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.720 like just the dogs rooms. He had a big place. 388 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:24.240 His place was owned by originally owned by J. P. Doherty. 389 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:26.599 Dougherty was like one of the guys that was sitting 390 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:29.160 on the board of directors with Rocket Brother when Keeddy 391 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:30.720 Roll made him split the world up. 392 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:34.400 Oh you talk about the mansion that day lives in now. 393 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:37.759 Yeah, it was Orange Groves, yes, and that was his 394 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:40.839 summer homeies. He's really his winter homes in Pennsylvania where 395 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:43.519 the oil was, of course, but it was a beautiful 396 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:45.839 place that I mean, it goes but he's still all 397 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:46.519 the way down that. 398 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:50.799 Weddings, doesn't he. 399 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.319 But yeah, well he did for a while because it's 400 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:56.200 not really financially solid. Well yeah, and then he sold 401 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:58.400 his publishing. And that's my question, is word of my 402 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:00.680 end of that publishing gets sold? I want something to 403 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.119 I heard him talk about that. But you know, Dave 404 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:06.240 was never a big on promoted when ever since Steve 405 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:09.559 I really got a hand up from Dave. He really did. 406 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.119 I mean, Steve sold more record than Dave did on 407 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:15.799 the next record that he was away from him, And uh, 408 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:17.920 he didn't ever forget that he was about to help 409 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:21.000 anybody else. Really here, I'm going to put you forward. 410 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:23.240 He would. He got mad at me. He took away 411 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.200 all my interviews, all the magazine stuff. So I was 412 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.480 basically an unknown, as unknown as I was when I 413 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:31.880 went in. I went out only the people that knew me, 414 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:34.160 the people I knew in the business in New York, 415 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:37.119 which is better than the la which I was at 416 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:39.680 eight O two of local work. Seven didn't you ship 417 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:42.720 for me? Uh? Eight O two got the jobs. 418 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:45.920 You had to have thought. You know, when you're chosen 419 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:48.519 to be the guitars for Dave's album, you had to 420 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:50.960 have thought. You saw what it did for the careers 421 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:52.519 of Vibe. 422 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:54.000 I figured out I was going to go up a 423 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:56.359 couple of wrongs, but then it looked at the Jason Becker. 424 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:59.599 I felt bad about picking up where he because he 425 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:02.440 was done. Because als is like you said, he went 426 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:05.880 across the street, he just stopped, couldn't move, couldn't take 427 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.359 another step. And you know, he's lived longer anybody I've 428 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:08.960 ever heard of with that. 429 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:12.759 Isn't that amazing? Yeah, he's uh, how old is he now? 430 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:13.880 You only move his eyes. 431 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:17.160 Yeah. They gave him a limited time and he is 432 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:20.720 still going. A friend of his I've been in contact 433 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:22.480 with and interviewed him, and he said, he's such an 434 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:23.640 inspiration and he's just. 435 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:26.960 Well, he's got a great musical mind. And the thing 436 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:33.920 is he balanced the trickery with the musicality where sometimes 437 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:36.000 you know, like George Lynch's good buddy of mine, and 438 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:38.160 I kind of helped him in the beginning learn how 439 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:42.039 to pendulum pick. Georgia. You had to double pick the guitar. 440 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:46.240 This is forty five years ago, and I said, try this. 441 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:48.720 He was wow, that's you know, back and forth with 442 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:50.640 something that somebody showed me, you know, when I was 443 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:53.799 a kid, and he's always George has always touted me, 444 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.039 and he's a great technician, much better technician than I am. 445 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:01.240 But the musicality gets a little bit out there, you know, 446 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:04.440 the scary stuff. I mean, it's like it's got good totality, 447 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:07.480 but the royal. 448 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:12.440 Ear on your filthy little mouth. I I want to 449 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.079 ask you about that because you have such a feel 450 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:17.599 on the guitar and when I listened, I was listening 451 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:20.079 to that album just today before this interview, just to 452 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:22.359 to listen to all the songs that I love, which 453 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:28.039 are uh, She's My Machine, Big Train Experience, the title track, 454 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:32.960 Land's Edge. You have such a great feel, right, and 455 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:35.920 that album is so interesting because it's got like country, 456 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:40.880 it's got reggae, it's got jazz, it's got blues country. 457 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:43.839 So yeah, what what when you when you sat down 458 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:46.000 with him to go over the game plan on that 459 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:47.960 What was he saying to you like, here's what we 460 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:51.599 want to do because we brought in for the producer 461 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.720 was right, So what was he saying to you like, 462 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:59.119 here's what I'm looking for because your style is so unique, 463 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:01.079 it's not like anything else. 464 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:02.960 Went back out there with Steve Hunter and did a 465 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:05.880 little bit of luck. But Steve, you know, with Mitch 466 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:08.839 Ryer to Detroit wiel that he knew that that whole genre. 467 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:11.519 And I put a guitar track on top of it 468 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:14.279 and did well. But it was a move he was 469 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:16.279 trying to get. It was like his art project. And 470 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:19.119 I thought, you know, I like the hard rock stuff 471 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:21.839 and we but in New York it's not really the 472 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:25.000 mecca for hard rock and roll. Recording it good, you 473 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:28.599 could do it, but the Hit Factory was like, you know, 474 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:31.519 we were were going through a transition. They built that 475 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:34.880 second factory down on fifty fourth. Remember when the blimp 476 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:37.079 fell over the building. A look a propol lock they 477 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.359 hang off the skyscraper there. It was funny. But with 478 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:44.160 Dave's he would get in these moods when said, you know, 479 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:45.640 we're going to do this and do that and then 480 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:49.839 take it this way. And the whole process was fun. 481 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:52.920 But then all of a sudden writing songs for Travis Trigger. 482 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:54.640 I mean there was one weekend I went to New 483 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:57.960 York from California three times in the weekend, so do 484 00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:01.440 one guitar correction. That's how extravagant it got. I mean 485 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:04.240 the budget was. This is back in ninety three, you know, 486 00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:07.319 when it was not the music business was getting ready 487 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:08.000 to implode. 488 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:11.920 You know, it was a risky move on Day's part 489 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.200 because we're talking about the climate of music at that time. 490 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:17.759 It was grungey arrow, right, you know. So I always wondered. 491 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:20.799 I thought maybe he was trying to try different styles 492 00:22:20.839 --> 00:22:22.559 to see what's going to stick and where he wants 493 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:23.200 to go from there. 494 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:26.160 You know, downtown, I remember it'suns that boulevard. In those days, 495 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.440 you couldn't put a flyer on a pole because there 496 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:31.160 were so many staples and so many flyers that you 497 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:33.680 literally couldn't put anything on a pole that you couldn't 498 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:36.200 post handbills, and you were getting in trouble for it. 499 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:39.400 I mean they passed the fleet, took me to jail. Yeah, 500 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:40.759 they took me to jail, and I had to paint 501 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:42.680 off the I had to clean off all the all 502 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:45.759 the we were using sticky glue to put our ads 503 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:48.279 up for the weekend gags. If you didn't do that, 504 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:51.960 if they don't know, they're not going This is pre internet, right, 505 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:53.680 But it was a lot of you know, you did 506 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.200 a lot of canvassing and stuff like that, and Van 507 00:22:56.279 --> 00:22:58.559 Hallen had all kinds of people doing it for them. 508 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:02.319 What made them what they were was Steve Torremanti and 509 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:06.640 Bob Ailey's whatever. Torremazi had worked at the Civic Auditorium 510 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:09.200 in Pasadena, so he had an inn and they made 511 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:11.599 a fortune on Van Helen and they had him there, 512 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:13.160 and more ros is looking and going, wait a minute, 513 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:14.839 these guys are filling the path of the Pacific and 514 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:18.079 are signed acts. Aren't filling up Santa Monica Civic. This 515 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.359 what garnered the attention. Then Milton Burrow sent his nephew 516 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:25.359 and his crooked nephew in there, took all the money 517 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:29.079 for the first grant. They came apart. I remember those guys, 518 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:32.279 I would say they sacrificed a third of their life. 519 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:37.160 Ye sure, it was alis. They did three three hundred 520 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.400 day tours and three years in a row. So he 521 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:42.759 would come home until he had slept in two months, 522 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:45.400 I mean, and he every time he got back he 523 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:47.359 was even more voracious cocadict, I. 524 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:52.160 Mean racious dead. Yeah. 525 00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:58.720 I think that they went experimented beyond the Derek where 526 00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:02.200 they actually were tired of it, you know, yeah, wow, 527 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:04.319 Because I remember it really messed at him in Valerie 528 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:07.640 up they just did not get along because d would hide, 529 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:10.599 you know. And I remember going up there many times 530 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:12.920 going did you sleep last night? You wear the same clothes, 531 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:15.839 and it just got you start to deteriorate on the 532 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.200 drug itself. And but I'll tell you what, it never 533 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.960 really affected his creativity and his guitar plank. It didn't 534 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:24.359 it all the time. And he had a you know, 535 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:27.000 he had that beautiful board from the one that they 536 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:31.960 recorded Ben Huron. Yes, the first night Artist Jury console 537 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.160 that Don rewired it. You had the big knobs, you know. 538 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:37.400 That thing had toned up the butt. You didn't have 539 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:39.160 to do anything, just turn it on and go through 540 00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:40.359 it like magic. 541 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:42.839 When was the last time you spoke with Eddie? 542 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:45.480 Well, he sent me a bunch of amplifiers for that tour, 543 00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:49.039 what four fifty one fifty stacks? I think he was 544 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:52.720 trying to thumb Dave going here. And I used him 545 00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:55.680 during the tour and afterwards I wanted to thank him, 546 00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:57.519 you know, I told him we kind of made amends 547 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:00.319 because we had a falling out over certain financial thing 548 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:02.960 that I had to have handled and it wasn't being 549 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.640 handled so you know, it was stupid shit. I mean 550 00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:08.440 at the time it seemed big. But I saw him 551 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:10.680 at the montras the Rock and we talked for about 552 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:13.319 half an hour, and he just seemed like he was 553 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:15.599 distant here. I mean like he moved on from his 554 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:18.440 old friends at Pasadena. There's really nothing that we could 555 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:20.200 share that was any more than a laugh. You know, 556 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.319 they ran different people. I mean, he was in a 557 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:27.480 different old boat of you know. I actually I feel 558 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:29.559 privileged because I was one of his real friends from 559 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:30.279 the old days. 560 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:32.759 Yeah, when did you first meet him? I'm curious to 561 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:34.680 know when you first met him and what was your 562 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:36.640 impression of him. He's quiet right in. 563 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:40.359 A place called Barry Grassnek when I was thirteen, and 564 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:43.279 I knew about him because we came. We played the 565 00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.920 first gig together. My band opened up for his band 566 00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:47.680 over on Allen Street. 567 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.559 Ready kill At. It wasn't Ready kill a lot. 568 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:56.880 Pre This is when Van Handle was called Trojan Rubber Company. Yeah, 569 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:00.839 soon on days who couldn't play the ship And then 570 00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:03.039 I had two guys that I played with him and 571 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:05.880 the guys that played drums. That night, sister threw an 572 00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:07.880 iron at his face and knocked over his front page 573 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:09.799 right out of the Oh my god, and he came 574 00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:13.359 in smiling like that. We're lapping door and uh he 575 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:15.720 We played kind of a funk rock and roll beats 576 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.079 the who you know. It was like something I wanted 577 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:21.079 to put together and play to some standards. But they 578 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.319 played all cream stuff and only cream. But they did 579 00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:28.240 it exactly like the record, but the vocals, you know, 580 00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.960 this is we're high school, you know. Then I saw 581 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:33.240 him again another gig. We started hanging out and he 582 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:36.440 had a Bobul fifty nine vobile one sixty, remember those 583 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.720 he had like an old tel. They get a cockroach 584 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:42.119 back on him, you know, is. 585 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:43.720 That the one that he had to tie He had 586 00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:45.559 to use guitar strings to. 587 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:47.759 Car drings to the door. Yeah. I remember driving with 588 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:49.920 him down Orange Grove and his girlfriend's in the front seat. 589 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:51.720 She gave him a bunch of ship and he stopped 590 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.240 the car Onwinees to spring on this side both over 591 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:57.279 unwind and spring on yanked her out of the street, 592 00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:00.480 struck the door, gets back and kicked off. Me and 593 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:02.279 Alix were sitting in the back seat going, well, you 594 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:05.200 better turn around and pick her up, and he goes, yeah, 595 00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:09.000 funny about everything was like this, even when he was 596 00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:14.119 a multi millionaire, se got a smoke. Everything was fuck. 597 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:17.680 And he even had a Ford mma that fuck you 598 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:19.920 know it's for the Ford elbum. He just that was 599 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.359 his word. He tried to explain people that what you 600 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:24.640 have to go through to deal with them. I mean 601 00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:29.079 they dreaded the record. People dreaded him because you know, 602 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:32.920 I talked to Tucker Carlton and we went off with 603 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:35.440 Dave's record went off at four hundred and thirty ADS, 604 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:37.920 which is like, man, you're going to be rich. And 605 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:39.799 I was like, yeah, we're gonna make some money. Act right. 606 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.079 And by the time we got to Kansas City, we've 607 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:46.839 done about eleven gigs back East and we're coming back 608 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:51.119 in mid Midwest and then going south. Tucker goes, we're 609 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:53.519 in trouble underwater here he only got one hundred ADS left. 610 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.960 I thought, oh fuck. I said, so I'm going to 611 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:58.119 be living in a dog kennel instead of owning it. Right. 612 00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:00.720 He goes, pretty much, well, we know what we were 613 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:00.960 in for. 614 00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:03.200 But well, I remember that tour in the beginning there 615 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:04.400 was on the audience. 616 00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:07.440 Did he yeah, he took it out on the audience. 617 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:09.759 And they fucking pelt at us. I mean, Jesus Ri 618 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:12.880 Jamie got a lighter in the face, I got a 619 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.000 shoe on the side of my People were taking her 620 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:17.400 clothes off and throwing that. And not because we're popular. 621 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.039 They have one of those baseball diamond things, you know, 622 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:22.680 we're like that I did in that Blues Brother. They 623 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.400 beat the hell out of it. 624 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:28.440 It was quite a risk, though, with the music that 625 00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.680 he recorded on that album, because it wasn't of the time, right, 626 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:34.400 and now if you listen to it now, it's it's 627 00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.160 I really urged those who listened to the album back 628 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:38.960 then and may have given up on it, listen to 629 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:43.359 it now, right, Yeah, without the context of the scene 630 00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:45.319 of the music at the time, which was grunge, and 631 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.960 without the expectations of what we were expecting from a 632 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.240 day of album. Just listened to it as an individual 633 00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:53.559 piece of work, and it's a real good. 634 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:55.880 And that's a good thing to say, because everybody said 635 00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.640 the same thing what I had When I write songs, 636 00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:00.319 I mean, when I write something on the good I 637 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.240 tried to make it was like, it wouldn't matter what 638 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:04.799 year came out, I'm going to remember something about it. 639 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.119 If you don't. How can I distinguish myself if I 640 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.039 was Ever's best friend and I played just like him. 641 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:14.440 Yeah no, you played your own style, man. And I'm 642 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:16.680 going to tell you this, Jarre, I I really think 643 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.160 now he did a great job producing it, but I 644 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:22.519 wanted you up in the mix more. 645 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.000 They kept burying me and it was like you had it. 646 00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.480 Garry Taull was a good big guy, but John Goldberger 647 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.160 was shipping. And these are New York guys. I said, 648 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.599 look at my demos were better than that record. I mean, 649 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:35.960 as far as the vibe, you have to create this 650 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.279 mundy vibey. Yeah, I ad this and make it into something. 651 00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.119 And that's what Nile Rogers told me. Goes, that's what 652 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:44.400 you've got this gig for. Because you could set that 653 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.799 picture up and then Dave looked like he looked at 654 00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.720 like this, look at I want this. I know exactly 655 00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:52.640 what he's talking about. I know exactly what he's talking about. 656 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.519 So I do that. I know allays you was. I 657 00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.720 wanted to go. So here comes the cloud to cover 658 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.359 the side, and I couldn't, and then the sun comes 659 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:02.160 back out. It's like a no big thing. 660 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.400 It likes like that I'm gonna say, I like that song. 661 00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:09.920 I have a friend who doesn't. I love no but 662 00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:10.680 a friend of mine. 663 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.759 All the classic reggae dropped corrections and stot stuff, and 664 00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:16.759 it was done well. But you know, and he sings 665 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:20.359 it actually pretty good. I mean he's talking about he 666 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.599 has he's a good lyricist. I'd say some of his 667 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:23.519 lyrics are great. 668 00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:28.160 Well, he was, he was changing his approach lyrically and 669 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:32.240 also vocally. He had used a different approach, like he'd 670 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.039 reached a different octavity. 671 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.160 Like Michael Franks and Bonnie ray and stuff like that. 672 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:38.960 I said, I know exactly where you're going. You want 673 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:40.400 me to get you there? You gotta get and he 674 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.519 get mad. I said, look at if you could Grant 675 00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:43.839 and ray Ball and you want, it's going to take 676 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.920 ten days to squeeze the thing out to lay this egg. 677 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:49.160 While you're done yet, I said, I didn't even started 678 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:51.640 the progression yet. I mean, just don't you find something 679 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:53.839 he likes that he'd give you. You got to pay it, 680 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.559 like uh, everybody, every Vin Halen song had a street 681 00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:00.640 fight man beat to it. The popular that's that's where 682 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:02.240 they picked it up. And then al turned kind of 683 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.799 hot Rod to shuffle on it. You know, I listened 684 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.160 to Jeff Lacaro Pacarl was brilliant shuffle man. That one 685 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:10.599 that he picked up. He took him from his dad 686 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:13.480 and John Bonham. He just had that they make it. 687 00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:15.400 It swung out sown. You mean, it was like a 688 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.960 like a perfectly firing engine. That's time, the valves are 689 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.319 working right, you know, it just synchronized. And I thought 690 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.559 that we had that, uh, But Dave, we had a 691 00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:26.599 lot of trouble drummers on that record. We had Larry 692 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.440 Abraman who was the Eastman grad uh he was way 693 00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:36.480 too stiff, Ray Brinker from uh Pat Banatar's outfit, and 694 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.680 then Ron Wickso Wixso was probably the most fearless of 695 00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:41.759 all of them, but he was by no means the 696 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.640 best one. We had Bob Burch coming on bank. You know, 697 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:47.079 Bob chilled himself Elton John De bass player. 698 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:50.400 Oh, and he does a fantastic job, Bob. 699 00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.160 David, what do you like? And I told him, Oh, 700 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:53.559 why did they always have to be that way? 701 00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:58.079 And the drums, I mean, everything was it was pristine. 702 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.240 Production, really great. I missed him, you know you know 703 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.880 about John right, he was up in Poughkeepsie. That's where 704 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.240 he was from. Where they go. What's the name of 705 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:07.880 that town. 706 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:11.160 Up there, peepsie New York, you're talking your. 707 00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:12.920 Fallow and they lived. He come down in New York. 708 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:14.319 But he did a lot of records. He worked for 709 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:15.720 Pete Raptor for years. 710 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:19.240 Right, And wasn't he on Aces in Acest's band? 711 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.240 Like all the bass on the record, I know that much. 712 00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.240 Yeah, Yeah, Steve Hunter rhythm guitar on one track. John 713 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:28.000 Reagana passed away. Tony was living in Old Redwish, Connecticut. 714 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.279 Okay, Yeah, he was the one song at chevro Lke 715 00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.119 commercial back in the early nineties. Oh wow, didn't drive 716 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:35.119 worth ship like. 717 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:41.920 Rogers, Yeah, John. John Reagan was an ace Fahilei's band. Yeah, 718 00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:43.160 aast Phillies comment eighty. 719 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:46.640 Yeah, John was a crimch of a guy. 720 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.000 But getting back to like, yeah, I thought I would 721 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.599 have loved to hear your in some spots your your 722 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:56.400 guitars up in the mix, but you know, and others 723 00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:59.680 it's it's buried more like a pop record, I guess, 724 00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:04.599 But your guitar was driving those songs. And then the 725 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:06.880 other one I forgot to mention is every Everybody's Got 726 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.839 the Monkey would have been a single. I thought Ilway 727 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:10.119 thought that it would have been a great. 728 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:13.640 Well that was Frank Simoner's tune, and I thought it 729 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.640 was a worthy song. But he just didn't it. He 730 00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:19.160 was emphasizing trying to sell filthy. You know that that 731 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.200 one line the title track, right, and then you never 732 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.119 know which is like a Robert Johnson thing I put together. 733 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.720 I just had that. He said, mentioned Bonnie Rakers and said, 734 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.359 I'll give you something that Bonnie rate would do. And 735 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.640 that was my talent, was I I could lean into that. 736 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:35.160 You know, she's more of a country thing, so I'm 737 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.160 leaning kind of country into it, and it's made a 738 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.319 different it's giving us a different effect because she comes 739 00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:43.039 from a whole different place. And that's kind of what 740 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.039 I wanted. Yeah, because you can't control it, learned from 741 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:49.160 you can't control everything, and that's what he has. His 742 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.240 problem is that he has the control freak and ever 743 00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:55.000 turned into a control freak. They wanted this, and you know, 744 00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.240 if you look at Samuel with all due respect, when 745 00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.720 Dave's dad called Ben handle up and said, listen, we 746 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:01.960 want get back with you guys. You can make real 747 00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:04.519 money Alex said, with all due respect, we have twelve 748 00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.000 top ten hits with this guy. They went from twenty 749 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:12.119 million to seventy million, so there's no disputing it. 750 00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:15.760 I thought that Dave probably expected to be back before 751 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:17.760 the end of the eighties. I don't think he expected 752 00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:18.679 Sammy to success. 753 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:20.840 He did, but when he you know, as you said 754 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:22.840 that on stage when they were when Beck was on 755 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:24.280 the stage, you know that. 756 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.639 The artists bade six ninety six mtvv D. 757 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:29.159 That's a lot of time. I talked Daddy. He said, 758 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:31.239 I want to kick his balls up around his head 759 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.880 because you know ed him always had. They never got along, no, never, 760 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.400 and he would listen to him and they but they 761 00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.400 were not after that second tour. Rudy said that by 762 00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:44.360 the time that nineteen eighty four came out, He said, 763 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.639 they were all in separate buffets. They didn't speak to 764 00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:47.400 each other, even. 765 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.800 The brothers, and who knew right and who knew you know, 766 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.559 on the outside, all the fans were just thinking, man, 767 00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:54.000 they must be all happy. 768 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.280 Is everybody had their own entourage and it's the people 769 00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:58.800 they could stand to be around on the road. They 770 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:02.360 had control off because when you have all that conflicts 771 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.920 like when we got off, we did Lewis Muno Stadium 772 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:08.400 as a kickoff in sam Juan, Puerto Rico. Flew over 773 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.639 to Miami and here the buses are waiting for us. Well, 774 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.440 there's an old American Eagle that's got three hundred thousand 775 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.440 miles on it with you know, tipic bearings that make 776 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:19.880 more noise in our waking machine, an old walking machine. 777 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:21.920 And then you have the brand new prevow guests who 778 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.880 gets the prevow to crew in totals But wait, wait 779 00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:27.960 a minute, that's our feal. So we had to ride 780 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.159 in the American Eagle and it was like we were 781 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.239 kind of like the roadings were much better revered than 782 00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.719 we were, you know, theirst season. I mean, this is 783 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.679 my first tour around the country. I knew what to expect, 784 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.400 but it's like, my god, it was so cold that 785 00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.039 we had left outside those vestibules up to the gig 786 00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:45.920 and Dave would be talking to somebody on the bus 787 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.800 and let us on or something going on like that. 788 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.239 And me and James who came down with pneumonia like 789 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:53.800 the first three weeks in that tour and I had 790 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.159 about five and a half months. You know, because you 791 00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.280 travel it chills, all the watermen seeing you and you 792 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.639 got to take We were running for those beach twelve shots. 793 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:05.000 I mean, we couldn't get your pants off fast enough, 794 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:05.239 you know. 795 00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:08.239 Yeah, I told you before we before we started recording, 796 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.119 I saw you at the Sting in New Britain, which 797 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.320 is no longer there, the Sting in New Britain, Connecticut. 798 00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:16.159 That was October of ninety four. I believe I just 799 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.199 graduated from college. Green Day's Duchie was the big thing, 800 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.719 and and I just remember my brother and I went 801 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.880 to see you play there and that that is now 802 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:27.880 I think a CVS something. 803 00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:30.519 Yeah, I remember that, you know. I'll tell you another thing. 804 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.239 There's the funniest thing we started seeing with that on 805 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:36.079 the second leg before I quit, there was half the 806 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:37.800 crowd there worth it. On the first leg, it just 807 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.320 wasn't the sales it was. I don't think it was 808 00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.199 his fault. Motley felt Van Halen record fell in the dirt. 809 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.719 It was a difficult time to be a rock and 810 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:47.960 roll band that came out of the seventies or eighties. 811 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.960 It was like, well, the fun part was when I 812 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:51.800 was we never went to a lot of plays. I 813 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.039 went to ninety they played Gazaaris ninety four times. I 814 00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:57.880 was there at least sixty five times for that nothing 815 00:36:57.880 --> 00:36:59.559 to do as a kid. Further, Die would go out 816 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.280 to Fribady, go down there, and I watched them do 817 00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.079 what they had to do, and it was like they 818 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:07.960 worked really hard and they were really poor. 819 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:11.159 Yeah, you had to have known obviously seeing Eddie play, like, yeah, 820 00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:13.679 this guy's going somewhere. But also David, I know what 821 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:14.000 he was. 822 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.679 Twelve years old. I though him, She's I got some 823 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:18.480 work to do, right, And I was more than fair hand. 824 00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:21.840 I mean because I had guitar experience up the yet end. 825 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.639 In fact, what's broader than ever ever very but he 826 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:28.880 knew what was good back in those days. Listen nineteen 827 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:33.440 seventy eight, seven, eight and nine. Guitar was a black art. 828 00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:35.360 Where's guys that could play it, But we didn't know 829 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.280 what the hell we were doing. You know, you got 830 00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:41.000 chromatic scales comminised and all that, and start combining him 831 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.079 and sliding out of him in and raising the fifth 832 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.119 and doing whatever. And I just wasn't afraid with ever. 833 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.079 You had to go balls out even to get close 834 00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.320 to what he was doing. They were a force to 835 00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.559 be reckoned. With and they didn't even know it, you know, 836 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.199 like they couldn't rehearse at their place loud when they 837 00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:57.880 got Mike. When Mike got in the band ever to 838 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.480 mark Stone, there was a studings got you in the 839 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.719 Hankies and they got jealous and every went out drove 840 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:06.320 his cards with their garden and did donuts and the 841 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:10.480 link but you know ed was when they played the 842 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:13.440 Emler's House. I mean, god, they were bringing two thousand 843 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.440 people in backyards back then. It was a place, I 844 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.000 mean huge yard. And when they signed it was like 845 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.519 I had a free ticket then because they were gone 846 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:23.960 and we still have that kind of audience. So we 847 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.039 we got we reverbed off that for about five years. 848 00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:28.880 Then we had to go up to find another crowd. 849 00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:31.960 You know, they were playing Madam Wongs and you know 850 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:35.360 with Susie and the Badgies and Dwight Yoakam and a 851 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.039 lot of people were out there playing for very little money. 852 00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:40.599 What was your opinion of Michael Anthony. We haven't talked 853 00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:42.159 about him yet. It seems like a great guy. 854 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:44.119 It's the nicest guy in the world. I think Mike 855 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.559 I stood next to him in one of those Uh 856 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:51.400 what is this the like the OLiS like you know, 857 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.119 the Ace Garden Center. He was buying a hose. I'm 858 00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:56.880 looking like this. I didn't say nothing to him because 859 00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:58.719 I've known him so well for some I remember when 860 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.840 he came in seven late seven too. He was had 861 00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:04.039 the nice kiss gear was nice. He had a Chevrolet 862 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:07.159 Kingswood wagon. You're never now Dragno's vocal cadets. 863 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:08.880 Oh my god, the cadet. 864 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:12.079 He got an opal Cadet wagon that was like. He 865 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:14.039 has that mounted on the wall at his house now 866 00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:18.639 with a deer. He's crazy, you know. And when you 867 00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:21.840 go up the stairway, you go up the spiral staircase, 868 00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.440 you start walking down the hall to his bedroom. He's 869 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:27.079 got at least one hundred platinum records up there. Right. 870 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:29.199 He turns around, looked at me and goes cuts down 871 00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:35.079 on the foreplay. But he was actual first I've ever 872 00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.320 seen he never ever was with a woman. I remember 873 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:41.800 him seeing him. Wow, he'd hang out with him, but 874 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:44.639 no girl, no woman to possession of that place. She 875 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.039 had no girlfriend. In fact, I know a girl was 876 00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:49.840 crazy about him, and I said, don't do what I think 877 00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.239 you're going to do. She followed him in to the gate. 878 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:53.960 When the gate opened up, she came in the hard 879 00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:57.599 behind him. She got chewed out mad for that. Wow, 880 00:39:57.920 --> 00:39:59.280 I mean, he's just like one of those guys he 881 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:00.880 called me about. You've got to get down here. I 882 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.119 be down waiting in the front. He goes, you're the 883 00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:06.599 inter cones. What are you doing jamping out over there? Look, 884 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:08.559 you told me to be here. I rang the bell. 885 00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.440 He's got a room that's dedicated strictly to all of 886 00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:17.679 his outfits on stage and sunglasses long when he's irritated. 887 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:19.159 If he doesn't get his nap, he doesn't get his 888 00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.519 coconut soup in the morning, look out ed Anderson, who 889 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:27.079 is liaison. Oh my god, Ed got caught showing his 890 00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.760 underwear on EBD. That was the end of that. And 891 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:34.079 Karen mccellen and Migliolti, the guys that were putting together 892 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.280 his Dave TV or whatever they got, they got him 893 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:41.119 for like age discrimination, and I was gonna work with him. 894 00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:42.960 He want to do ten more songs of me, I said, listen, 895 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.599 with all due respect. After the DLR bend, I'm not 896 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.199 really in a hurry to give my music away for nothing. 897 00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:50.000 Now you have one song you want to put on 898 00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:50.480 our album. 899 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:52.320 Right, yeah, it was a song called dirty Work. He 900 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:53.840 loved it. I thought, Yo, I'll give it to you, 901 00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:55.800 but you got to give me ten grand for it, 902 00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:57.880 and you can put your name on. I don't care 903 00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.800 if you mentioned me, because he's not real good at 904 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.280 promoting his friends. I mean, ever since Steve. Why he's 905 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.199 got there's a little ego thing in there. You know, 906 00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:09.039 a little bit of narcism. All lead singers have it. 907 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:13.239 It's called LSD. Lead Singers Disease. No but. 908 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:16.920 Present company. 909 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.639 I think Mike was really short changed by man Hale 910 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:21.239 and they turned him into an employee. That was the 911 00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.239 last straw that showed me that, Okay, this guy's gonna 912 00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.440 been with him since the very beginning. He was the 913 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:31.079 backbone of their backing vocal squad. You take Mike Anthony 914 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:32.840 out there, you ain't got no backing vocals in there. 915 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.360 He was a great I don't know what you call 916 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.679 him a tenor, but he the guy could hit the 917 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:41.239 notes and he had that pipe like voice. I don't 918 00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:43.679 think it was really a lead singer's voice. He sang lead, 919 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:48.440 but just he complimented Don. Don was no ted Templeman 920 00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:51.480 saw the what was what their deal was the only 921 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:52.920 way and they got away with all that is that 922 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:59.199 Letterman style Brooklyn Bridge backing vocals right, Dave put Dave 923 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:03.360 could sing along with him, but Ed was Ed's voice 924 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:07.440 was plain in tune but plain. You know, you wouldn't 925 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.519 look at it like it was a lead vocal. And 926 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.559 I had a lead quality vocal. But I hate singing, 927 00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.519 never liked it. The joy of it means I've got 928 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.039 to do two jobs. You get paid once. 929 00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:21.519 Yeah, because he's gonna on one of the songs. 930 00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.719 When I started singing, we did all the trio stuffs 931 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:28.880 you need, chop stuff. After singing, I'd be so inspectorate, exasperate. 932 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.440 I couldn't figure out what solar I wanted to do. 933 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:31.719 It took a long time to get used to do. 934 00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.119 Then you just cut if we didn't know what the 935 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.760 hell we were doing. But in doing that you learn 936 00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:39.480 how to improvise. I mean, you had a guy come 937 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:41.480 over to my house, a black guy that was a 938 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.920 base at a bass player, ate up all my spaghetti 939 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.159 and meatballs, book of all the weed, took all my 940 00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:51.199 money and then show you how to improvise. And he said, 941 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:53.599 you know you're too white. You just stepped off the meat. 942 00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:55.519 And you know, after about eight hours of beating the 943 00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:57.719 ship out of me, I kind of picked up on it. 944 00:42:58.400 --> 00:42:59.920 I was better at you know, on the on the 945 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:01.840 and I have a good memory. So if I did 946 00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:03.719 something on the fly that I remember, let's do that. 947 00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.280 But there were bits and pieces back then. You know 948 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.280 you had to do is get a riff. You were 949 00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:11.440 bad as I had. There was a lot of gigs, 950 00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:13.559 a lot of opportunities. Van Hanlins weren't around anymore. If 951 00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.639 you want to get anybody that could play cohesively, you're 952 00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.800 going to get my group or Smile or Snow one 953 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:20.440 of those guys. 954 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:22.239 When did you form Ready to kill a lot? 955 00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:26.760 Seventy seven seventy six? Yeah, the drummers he passed away. 956 00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.880 I hate that really got to me because he had 957 00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.840 a lot of It was the same thing. He wasn't 958 00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:33.360 a very good drummer when it came down to it. 959 00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:37.360 But in those days, we pushed it so hard that 960 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.840 we were actually kind of lame good. You know, if 961 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:41.400 you came to see if you know what you're going 962 00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:43.639 to get, you're gonna get some good chops. And the 963 00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:45.599 tone was right, you know it, Ha'd be just so, 964 00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:48.440 but we really don't what we were doing. I mean 965 00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.599 there was a band of Uncle Sam that played all 966 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.320 the standards like the led Zeppelin to the Bone and 967 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:56.320 Mick uh, you know, Mick Mars. Mick was MC deal. 968 00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:59.400 He was an a band called White Horse and they 969 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.280 played Gizar along with Van Allen and they did exact 970 00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:05.920 copies dancing days, you know, off the you know, they 971 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.760 did Zepp very well. Mick was a great player, a 972 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:13.719 very nice guy. You know, he didn't get happy. You know, 973 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.880 I asked him, really what it did growth growth girls, 974 00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:17.599 how much money you made with Motley so far? It 975 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.840 was about six hundred thousand dollars. I thought, six hundred 976 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.519 thousand dollars. They gave you grocery money compared to what 977 00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.840 they took, you know. I mean, it's like that's what 978 00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:29.239 they did to Michael. I mean, how did you feel 979 00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:31.639 like you were a quarter partner and then they changed 980 00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:33.440 the deal like three shuffle of deck, go you're an 981 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.679 employee now, and he shut his mouth and took it. 982 00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:42.920 You know, that's like sad it is it is they 983 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:44.840 did that to him, They go to anybody. I thought, man, 984 00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.320 these guys have changed, and a lot of people that't 985 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:48.559 mad about it. A lot of people that were in 986 00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:53.239 Pasadena that were they're good friends. They just bomb boy eyes. 987 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:54.159 We don't see you no more. 988 00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:58.320 Why do you think they got rid of Nola Monk 989 00:44:58.679 --> 00:44:59.519 as their manager? 990 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:03.840 No, it had it. Noah was a sex pistoles manager. 991 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:06.960 That's where he came from because the sex Pickles were 992 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:09.039 a bunch of fuck ups and they got all the 993 00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:12.599 promotional money to take off. When Marshall Borough stole all 994 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:14.920 the Van Hale's money, they crawled in under the door, 995 00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:16.840 according to every he said. Then we had to work. 996 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:20.039 And Brick Deringer's wife, Liz Deringer used to write for 997 00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:21.840 Rolling Stone or something. She said, you guys are going 998 00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.119 down the road wrest her life, and she was right. 999 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:29.280 They did, like eighteen fifteen hundred days out there. All 1000 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.559 four records were toured the same. I mean they did 1001 00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:35.599 every possible git they could do well, you do you 1002 00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:39.079 know sometimes two shows a night and then Alex at 1003 00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:42.480 light Trust help Lamna's head to Italy. Bember killed him. 1004 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:44.360 If you had to be wearing that neck bridge his 1005 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:47.519 habit of falling off, you know. Dave injured himself. Everard 1006 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:49.079 broke both of his wrists. 1007 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:50.960 Dave did a splitting his head on the on the 1008 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:51.679 disco ball. 1009 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:56.679 Yeah, we had dangerous, a dangerous trade when you look 1010 00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:58.360 at it like that. They were rough and tumble with 1011 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:00.679 you know. But when you reach that point where you 1012 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:02.599 still think you're a kid, but you're forty years old, 1013 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.039 forty two years old, you go about a roller record. 1014 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.079 I was saying, you bite the you bite the rail. 1015 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:07.360 You know. 1016 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.039 It's I don't see how they possibly had the energy. 1017 00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:12.039 It's a different world now, you know. 1018 00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:14.880 Sure, Dave was doing the splits right up until like 1019 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:16.079 two oh three. 1020 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.119 Oh yeah, he did it all the way through our situation. 1021 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.519 But I remember that he was paying out about eighteen 1022 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.519 thousand dollars a week for those buses and the crew, 1023 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:28.519 and it's like, geez, I mean, you better be making 1024 00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:31.199 some money out there, because I see him. Premier talent 1025 00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:35.920 don't exist anymore. There's no map. Pete was with Dave 1026 00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:39.280 all those years at the Picasso Brothers, right, yeah. Yeah. 1027 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:44.119 Heete owns the Black Crows, he's their manager. So he 1028 00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.880 had the map and he and he heard the record filthy, 1029 00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:48.719 and he didn't mind me to do with it. I 1030 00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:51.039 was kind of offended. I thought, hey, I did well 1031 00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:54.199 on that. I wrote good songs. It wasn't that. He 1032 00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:56.199 just saw that. David was losing his mind because he said, 1033 00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:59.440 look at you can't portray the stinging kind of a thing. 1034 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.480 You don't have account that Sting does. I mean, it's 1035 00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:03.960 not going to be the same cut of thing that 1036 00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:05.079 Sting would put together. 1037 00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:08.360 He cut his hair, looked like, yeah, had that. 1038 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:09.039 I like. 1039 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:11.519 What I liked Jay did was his blues. He's great blues, 1040 00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:13.320 but he could have been a great blue singer. 1041 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:14.079 Hell yeah. 1042 00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:16.199 The cover of the best that he didn't like to 1043 00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:16.880 do at all. 1044 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.320 The cover of Nightlife, Willie Nelson's Knight. 1045 00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:21.639 He did a great job on that, as did you 1046 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.599 and Steve Steve. Steve Hunter was the inspiration for that. 1047 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:27.960 He goes, uh, I don't know who did the I 1048 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.519 think the solo was done by It was a piano 1049 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.079 solo by champion Jack Dupree, and I transposed it and 1050 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:36.840 it just had that emotional But there was only a 1051 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.000 few deal a day. You got a few little emotions. 1052 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.239 It was like a circus act. Okay, here's the bunckey. 1053 00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.199 You eat these pants now and then binger flip and 1054 00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:44.239 get the poodles. 1055 00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:48.119 Of covering right, Well, does he need somebody like what 1056 00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:49.800 he was with Van Hallen to kind of keep him 1057 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:50.239 on track? 1058 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:55.239 Yeah, well he got his own advert, but it's. 1059 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:56.480 Very restless creatively. 1060 00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:56.920 You know. 1061 00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:59.039 I'm sitting there with Tuggle and Jamie and me, and 1062 00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:00.599 we're sitting there and we're the of the core of 1063 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:03.440 the group, the bass player, guitar player, keyboard player, and 1064 00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:05.719 we're sitting like this. And if the tour the tour 1065 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:08.480 catalog came out, I said, oh good, they're gonna have 1066 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:11.840 pictures of us. There wasn't one nothing. There wasn't one 1067 00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:14.039 of us, one of Jamie. You can barely make it 1068 00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:15.920 my way down at the end of the stage and 1069 00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:18.719 it says musicians and the names are like, look at 1070 00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:20.880 I got to put my bivocal dogs. I can see 1071 00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:24.400 what who these people are. Anderson said, what do you 1072 00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:27.920 think of it? I threw it at him, But you 1073 00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:29.639 know we're part of this group, you know. 1074 00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:30.400 Yeah. 1075 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:33.400 I had a phobia for playing average stuff. I had 1076 00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:35.960 to have really have. Jamie's brothers showed me how to 1077 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.000 play jump because like psychological block, I did not want 1078 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:41.559 to learn his stuff. The magic to me was when 1079 00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:43.480 you know, when I learn Jimmy Henders stuff. I thought, 1080 00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:46.599 that's all it is. It's what you got to put 1081 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:49.280 the you know, the mojo on it. And that's what 1082 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:51.079 we had in the old days. We don't have that now. 1083 00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:52.440 I mean I still have a little bit of it, 1084 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:54.880 but you know, the mojo we can put the like. 1085 00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:57.039 Warren was the same way. He told me, this is 1086 00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.800 Warren's philosophy about the music and this. He said, take 1087 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.079 all your money to get cash it out everything cars, 1088 00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:04.679 to hold the old all your instruments, he said, go 1089 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.039 to Las Vegas and wrapped. He said, you had a 1090 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:11.000 lot better chance of making them in the music pits 1091 00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:14.440 because they also had Marshall Burrow, you know, so they 1092 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:17.280 took a hit too. But Warren didn't have to worry 1093 00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:18.840 about that because he's one of the heirs of the 1094 00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:21.719 Morris candy forks even do anything to worry about. 1095 00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.000 Yeah, he heard about that man and he's a great player. 1096 00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:26.400 Milton and Martin. I don't know his dad was Milton 1097 00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:31.199 or Martin, but he's always handled his money. Well it wasn't. 1098 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:32.599 Mormon was the guy that first got to give me 1099 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:34.840 a break. I got royalty, my first royalty money from 1100 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:36.559 a rat Detonator album. 1101 00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:40.119 They which son which all or nothing? 1102 00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:40.920 Oh? 1103 00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:43.760 Nothing? Oh okay, that's my rip. 1104 00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.559 He you know Warrimons. He mentioned me in magazines all 1105 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:50.000 the time. He's a very generous guy, and I've been 1106 00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.039 to his house many times. You know, his kids are 1107 00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.199 all grown now, but I remember when they first moved 1108 00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:57.159 up on Laurel. He was very nice. You know, he's 1109 00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:00.159 been with the same woman for years. She he was 1110 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:04.159 a rock and roll photographer. And he's a very even temperate, 1111 00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.199 nice guy. You know, he really is. He helped people, 1112 00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.519 you know, he financed a lot of my recordings back then. 1113 00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:14.519 A Silver Clown Joe Floyd the Warrior Band. He was 1114 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:16.719 also a great player. Joe was a great mix Maan. 1115 00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:19.280 You know, you learned to pick up stuff all the 1116 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.079 way along. I used to go like people to walk 1117 00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:23.679 come in and get any compressors because I don't know 1118 00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:27.280 how to use one. Can learn. It's fun, you know, 1119 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:29.960 That's what I'm thinking. What the hell I grabbed that 1120 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:31.679 two hundred dollars guitar for and I didn't pull by 1121 00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:35.559 eight thousand dollars focus right, didn't get the hell out 1122 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:36.760 of that rack and take it and put it in 1123 00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.360 the trunk. You don't think of that when alse burned down? 1124 00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:42.480 Did you show Eddie finger tapping or that was that? 1125 00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:46.800 Well? Chris Holmes a wasp, actually was responsible for it 1126 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:49.519 because I was giving Chris lessons at a music store 1127 00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:54.079 right here, at discount here Madre and Chris saw me 1128 00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.000 getting the beef of the guy. I traded him less 1129 00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:00.639 Paul for a sixty five number five fire, which I 1130 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:02.360 wasn't about the track. You wanted it back, I said, 1131 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:04.280 now you're going to box for it. Beat the shit 1132 00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.199 out of the guy. Drip goes man, you know how 1133 00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.559 to fight? I said, both guys are? They were school kids, 1134 00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:12.840 and he goes, uh, you know, my friend Don Ivers 1135 00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:16.599 got to fight with Harvey Mandel's son at a school. 1136 00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:18.159 I thought, well, why are you telling me? He because 1137 00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:20.639 I know where he lives, and I worshiped hard of me. 1138 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.320 I thought he was one of the greatest players of 1139 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.519 the early seventies. You know he had he just developed 1140 00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:27.440 that second hand you know thing he would do. He 1141 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:29.840 would do chords like that and he got that kind 1142 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.039 of a freestyle. Didn't but he didn't take it where 1143 00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:34.679 edd took it, but he looked. He showed me how 1144 00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:36.039 to do it. I said, well, that's cool, but I 1145 00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.159 didn't think nothing of it. I thought of first, if 1146 00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.239 you put your fingers down, I's going to make knowing right. 1147 00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:44.159 And I thought, what's a good trick. I use it for, like, 1148 00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:47.400 you know, stupid little things. But Ed picked up on 1149 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:50.159 it with a vengeance, and he hated two things. He 1150 00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:53.360 didn't like doing that, and he didn't like playing stratocasters, 1151 00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:56.880 so he reparated everything with you know, that's the second 1152 00:51:56.880 --> 00:52:00.440 hand thing where he really extrapolated. You know, but it's 1153 00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.559 so used now that I wouldn't dare do it. When 1154 00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:05.280 he went to Tremlo bar I used to play a 1155 00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.039 strat he went to a Tremolo bar I went back 1156 00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.280 to left Paul because you know, I had a responsibility. 1157 00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.119 I was his friend. I didn't want to be identified 1158 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.800 like some little clone total that, you know, you know 1159 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:15.280 what I'm saying. 1160 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:16.920 Sure you want to be you know. 1161 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:21.760 However, goofy that was, and I would rather have mine 1162 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.719 than somebody else's, you know, Like I told Davis, I 1163 00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:26.559 rather did tap it in my own rowboat. That'd be 1164 00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:30.599 a first mate on your on your battleship. Sure you 1165 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:32.320 know he doesn't have the same kind of vibe as 1166 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:36.000 a guitar player, no guitar. I gave him the classical 1167 00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:39.079 single one thirty two that he uses on stage. But 1168 00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:42.920 I can't figure out why he doesn't stretch out a 1169 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.360 little bit and do something different, you know, because the 1170 00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:47.199 Van Halen thing is that that's all you're gonna be 1171 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:48.920 known for. I would not want to play that zep 1172 00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.440 into eternity. Songs are great, but you know it just 1173 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:55.320 I didn't feel like I could really camp up, jump 1174 00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:58.000 and go through all that big deal, you know. So 1175 00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:01.000 I just played at real stock like alplays it and 1176 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.159 those guys got a gravey gig. We had a hard gig. 1177 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:06.199 It was a lot of more emoltual stress. 1178 00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:08.639 You I mean, oh, I would think, because that was 1179 00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:11.079 a difficult tour. As you said, it's. 1180 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:12.719 My business class one way and then go on a 1181 00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:14.519 tallecar the way out. 1182 00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:17.320 But you have your own tone. How would you describe 1183 00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:19.800 your tone? It's got a really cool feel to it. 1184 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.360 Ed used one hundred Watch, and I didn't only like 1185 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.440 the Marshals like I liked the high Watch script logos. 1186 00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:28.159 You know. The fifties real hard to find, and we 1187 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.440 used to go to Nadine's music store. It a big 1188 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:32.639 fat guy there that played guitar, and I liked it. 1189 00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:34.920 Give eat stuff a flying V down into his pocket 1190 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:36.480 to go this is I got to play one of these, 1191 00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:38.800 and I said, I like that market because you got 1192 00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.480 to hear the script logo. And I was fifty dollars 1193 00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:43.440 short of getting it, so I went way out of 1194 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:47.400 the limb getting fifty bucks to buy the Marshall's four hundred. 1195 00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:49.719 I got that one, and I strake another four to 1196 00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:51.320 fifty up for the high Watch. The tone I have 1197 00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:56.039 was undeniably good, and Harmony had given me an EP 1198 00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:59.559 one at two echo Plex, which was a big part 1199 00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.920 of that because preampt the amps and then uh then 1200 00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:05.360 we started using advantide. That was like, wow, I've got 1201 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.119 this godlike tone. It was fun for backyards. It worked 1202 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:11.039 a lot of places, but then the bigger the places 1203 00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:13.960 were the rest it would work because you got these 1204 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.320 big rooms, you know we've got. We played some horrible 1205 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:20.400 rooms to gymnasiums, they said, gigs up everywhere. The best 1206 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.480 places to play really were outdoors, which you could play 1207 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.559 so fucking loud and get a mix of some sort. 1208 00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:28.320 And everybody struggled with PA system somebody could get a 1209 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:31.320 more powerful That's why Van Helen got Dave, because he 1210 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:34.679 had an eight to fifty acoustic type and then they 1211 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.639 upgraded it to what were those out the out the 1212 00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:42.480 alt tech twelve forties or wherever they were was the theaters. Yeah, 1213 00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:45.559 we're so desperate that we went to Blair High School. 1214 00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:49.000 But got my manager and we crawled up the sports 1215 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.880 towers and took the radiator slots of Big JBOL radio 1216 00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:54.119 slots out of the out of the public address for 1217 00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:58.239 the games. Well wrote them down and built the cabinet 1218 00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:02.760 form down. You don't we use it for a head. 1219 00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:04.840 I used one hundred and twenty what Matt app. 1220 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:07.920 But I hear what I listened to Ready Kill Awtt. 1221 00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.039 Just the one song is available online Liquid Lady, and 1222 00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.599 I listened to you Filthy Little Mouth or your songs 1223 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.360 on de l R band. It's pretty pretty similar, right, 1224 00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:16.480 I mean it's pretty consistent. 1225 00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:19.119 Well, I always choose, like you know with Nile Rodgers, 1226 00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:23.880 Nile Ahead so much money, I mean sick, I said, 1227 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.559 I need a telecaster for everybody's got the monkeys. That's 1228 00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:28.440 what I felt that that would be the best, best 1229 00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:31.519 sounding thing because Dave wasn't let me use my ordance, 1230 00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:33.599 and they brought a Neve Kelso in which I said, 1231 00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:35.719 anything you could fart to one of those things. They 1232 00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:39.559 sound great, but I played it. I said, well, I 1233 00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:42.280 want a telecast because what year you want? What do 1234 00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:43.599 you mean? Because I got all the years, I mean 1235 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:46.920 for nineteen fifty one broadcaster, all the way down to 1236 00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:48.840 a sixty five. I said, give me a fifty eight. 1237 00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:51.559 He goes, and you go get into fifty eight. Comes out. 1238 00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:54.719 It's a beautiful blonde fifty eight so powerful, I mean, 1239 00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:59.079 ten times more gain than a regular telecaster. And I 1240 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.400 dailed it. You know, it was an easy thing, he said, 1241 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:04.480 he goes, it's a van healing song. Basically, Frank built 1242 00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:08.960 it like a van healing song, right, that interesting timing, 1243 00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:13.519 But for some reason it didn't fly. Kept trying to 1244 00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:15.679 get you'd never know to do it, and I thought 1245 00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:18.920 it was a little left to center, you know, I'll 1246 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:21.360 tell you what. They loved that record. A lot of 1247 00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:23.719 people really liked it, and I liked it, but it 1248 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:26.159 was we had a hell of a time playing some 1249 00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:29.480 of them, like you're breathing. It was, you're bringing us 1250 00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:31.840 a brilliant thing. We turned into a rap song. I thought, 1251 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:34.239 this is not working for me. You know, it was 1252 00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:36.840 its own preference. It couldn't deal. But you know I 1253 00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:38.960 did that record four months and it took it three 1254 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:42.239 years to finish it. I just sat around on payroll, 1255 00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:45.840 you know, just going well. Some day they get ste. 1256 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:48.519 And think about how much music had changed from ninety 1257 00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:49.440 one to ninety four. 1258 00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.920 Yeah, I mean, you know that's the thing. By time 1259 00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:54.719 to get taught up. I understood the business en it 1260 00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:58.239 was ICM. William wore ICM premiere. They'll put you on 1261 00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:00.119 the map, they'll take you out. You don't even the 1262 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.079 companies leaving loaning the money to go on these tours, 1263 00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:04.519 but you got to pay it back. And if you 1264 00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:08.039 have got poor you know response, and you don't have 1265 00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:10.719 people out there canvassing that ship out of it, which 1266 00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:13.960 think were doing. When the Segrums did that buy out, 1267 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:15.360 it was like it was over right there. I had 1268 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:17.280 a deal lined up with David Geffen and it was 1269 00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:19.360 just when dead flat that day, it was over. 1270 00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:21.280 Wow, Geffen. 1271 00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:23.880 I had to grow another group together that was pretty good. 1272 00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:28.039 I'm Chris Iman on Base and Mike Sodo and Drugs 1273 00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:30.199 that we were tight. We had a really cool sound. 1274 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:32.239 But you know, it was getting the point where it's like, 1275 00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:34.199 she how long am I to keep selling the snake oil. 1276 00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:36.599 It wasn't like the old days. We played ready to 1277 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.320 Kill a watch we ape shit. You know, I played 1278 00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:40.920 a solo. I just rolled by the back of my 1279 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:43.199 head like a great white shark and start biting. You 1280 00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:45.519 know what I mean? You do it. People thought it 1281 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:48.320 was brilliant because it really was. You hadn't tried to 1282 00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:51.559 make it sound good. You know, I participated more in 1283 00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:54.320 my own style that I do now. You know, because 1284 00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:56.719 you get wider, you have to be virtual. With Dave, 1285 00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:59.320 You've got to be really virtual to get anything out 1286 00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.800 of it because he has good background in music. 1287 00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:04.519 He really does. Man, Yeah, he's got an appreciation. 1288 00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:06.559 He said, I want you to listen to this record. 1289 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.719 Just I knew what he was doing, you know. Yes, 1290 00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:11.519 I'd always admired Angus Young. He said he's the best 1291 00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:14.679 of the best, because how can you beat a c 1292 00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:15.760 DC right? 1293 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:18.840 Him and Wolfgang always listened to power Age. 1294 00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:21.360 I think that was the I thought Motley Crue many 1295 00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:23.840 times because I Rudy toured with him and I know 1296 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:27.639 him bick real well. I sold him the sixty seven 1297 00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.519 flex he used on girls, Girls Girls. I hated it 1298 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:33.199 and he looked because it's the Jose bod right, and 1299 00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:35.800 Jose was like his moods were like radio shack, but 1300 00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:38.960 they were brilliant. You remote standby. I mean, I'm gonna 1301 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:42.559 need that for a garage band. So Mick flaying and 1302 00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.719 that's not a lot of times. Mortley Crue was way 1303 00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:47.280 better than Ben Hill and life way better, much better, 1304 00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:51.519 show better because Van Haim was so fucking loud. I 1305 00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:55.039 mean we played the decimal beater night. It was one 1306 00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:58.400 hundred and thirty two. That's like sticking her head into 1307 00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:02.960 a terrible fan motor on takeoff. You know, it makes 1308 00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:05.760 you hurt. And it was like a gunfight every night 1309 00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:08.760 to come out there and just go god, it was 1310 00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:10.480 it was a it was a trial in it, you know. 1311 00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:13.480 And they could see. I wasn't happy because just like 1312 00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:16.840 do we have to play beautiful girls? And like we 1313 00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.800 have to play one of the devil? I mean, it wasn't. 1314 00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:21.880 I felt like, I'm just we're playing a top forty 1315 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:25.480 set and then Tuggled was that's exactly what this is. 1316 00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:27.119 I thought, Well, I didn't sign up for that ship 1317 00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.480 but want that. Yeah, but it was went to Japan, 1318 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:33.119 we get a record. We played one gig and a 1319 00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:36.440 half earlier the record available. They had a record that 1320 00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:39.880 made that's amazing. They were selling our records, live records. 1321 00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:43.239 They were selling Oh wait, I think I heard I 1322 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:44.599 think that surface down line. 1323 00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:51.119 Wow that mister Udo was not happy with the ticket sales. 1324 00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:53.119 And mister Udo, if you don't know mister Hudo, you 1325 00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:56.320 don't play in Japan at all. He's Jackos. I mean 1326 00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.199 he runs that racket and all the coke and secret 1327 00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:02.519 hauls are ident goal. We played Hanshu Kiashu and we 1328 01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:05.800 were down in Hiroshima, all the way up into the 1329 01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:09.199 Order provinces, and you could not tell the difference between 1330 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.960 one hall and the next. Exactly the same bathrooms with 1331 01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:14.400 the wow journals that are in the ground that are 1332 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:16.559 a little different thing. 1333 01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:22.639 Hey, before I forget Mississippi Power, that is a B side. 1334 01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:27.159 You're on that one, right, Yeah, Okay, that was not wrote. 1335 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:30.880 That was Preston Sturgis, the director you know from Travels 1336 01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.920 and she was a famous thirty forties director. 1337 01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:36.440 That would have been a great addition to the album. 1338 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:38.400 Preston Junior wrote that song. 1339 01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:39.280 How about that. 1340 01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:42.400 It was originally called Lighting Strikes by Buick. 1341 01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:46.480 Wow, Tippy, do you think it should have been on 1342 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:46.880 the album? 1343 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:49.119 It was? I thought it was. We played it right 1344 01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:50.559 along with the rest of the roster. I mean, we 1345 01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:52.920 had all fourteen up and I did it. Stephen Connor 1346 01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:54.599 came in with wanting me and Frank came back to 1347 01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:57.599 another way. It was cruel. Obsession didn't make it. And 1348 01:00:57.639 --> 01:00:59.119 I even see the stuff that I did with the 1349 01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:02.880 business that's getting records out there. It's got I'm going 1350 01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:04.400 to kill the guy in the car in front of 1351 01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:08.079 me and what was it called? There were there's a 1352 01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:11.559 set of tunes that I give with them. Uh, actually 1353 01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:15.199 John Lowry record, I'd be about Topega. And that's where 1354 01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:16.960 Dave went and did his demos. You know, there were 1355 01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:19.840 twenty four track demos, but he did. I said, why 1356 01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:21.639 why don't we use the visitants for the rhythm section? 1357 01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:25.559 He goes, Now, they're too clinical? The hell does that mean? 1358 01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:27.719 Because you know we're going to New York and not 1359 01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:29.840 even know who but Bayslaer and Bumba I'm gonna play 1360 01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:32.840 with the day I met him, we got the first tracks, 1361 01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:34.840 I thought, this is not very organic. 1362 01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:39.960 You know, yeah, you would preferred to play some gigs 1363 01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:41.920 with him, at least a few, right, so. 1364 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:43.960 Many drummers that would be and James were absolutely burned 1365 01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:46.760 out by the time, of course storage because we had 1366 01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:49.760 we had rehearsed every drummer. He fired one and fire another. 1367 01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.840 We got four drummers, so it was like we had 1368 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:54.639 to go through a whole roster. And he wanted us 1369 01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:56.639 to rehearse twelve hours a day. I said, you could 1370 01:01:56.639 --> 01:01:58.559 get me in there for twelve hours, but I'm gone 1371 01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:01.840 in three. You just don't have the head room that 1372 01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:02.679 kind of stuff. You know. 1373 01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:06.559 What's your opinion of Dave's vocals live? There is always 1374 01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:09.559 this idea that fans will say, well, let me put 1375 01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:12.639 it this way. When he when he came back in 1376 01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:16.599 seven to Van Halen that tour, his voice sounded really, 1377 01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:18.599 really good, like it almost sound like he was doing 1378 01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:23.000 something you want smoking so much bot okay, because but then, 1379 01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:24.360 but when you go back to the. 1380 01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:27.239 Last juice of his youth, because he did not do 1381 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:28.840 that well with us on the d l R, I 1382 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:31.599 mean a d l R man. I didn't feel that 1383 01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.480 his live performances were really up to snuff. He had 1384 01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:40.519 some bad times with their bomb factory and the bomb factory, 1385 01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:44.320 the bomb factory in Dallas was horrible. It's like, you 1386 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:48.199 know what, it's like Glorious Swanson when she finally gets 1387 01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:50.119 in front of the camera. You know when Cecil b. 1388 01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:54.960 Demillgo's action. You know, it's like she wants to do 1389 01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:59.280 a player Salomi, but she wants to be in every scene. Dormy, 1390 01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:00.639 it can't be in every to you, why not? 1391 01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:01.719 Right? 1392 01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:04.239 You know, It's like I think it's kind of a 1393 01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:06.920 privilege of the rich. I have oil wells pumping and pumping. 1394 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:08.719 It wouldn't it for but money for all of us, 1395 01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:12.840 you know. And Dave was never really a really generous guy. 1396 01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:16.840 I mean we'd be driving down Melroad to go through 1397 01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:19.079 a fashion disaster. I said, Okay, what do you want 1398 01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:21.760 me to do? Pull over one of those slanky joints 1399 01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:23.920 on Melrods that's got like ten shirts in there and 1400 01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:27.599 all eight hundred dollars apiece. He closed his door and 1401 01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:30.280 I got a big yellow blue house shirt going. I 1402 01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:32.119 wouldn't wear this to a dog fight if I was 1403 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:32.840 a state. 1404 01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:36.639 Cham Yeah, he wears some crazy outfit like. 1405 01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:38.440 The way I dressed, and like the way Jamie dressed 1406 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:41.039 because we didn't. There was a theater touch. If you're 1407 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:42.760 dressed like a rock star, you would have wear that 1408 01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:46.800 when you have breakfast. It's just to wait rest. But 1409 01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:49.599 it was so confusing because we had gone through the eighties. 1410 01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:56.400 Everybody had poofy hair and Jaguar pants and light shirts, 1411 01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:59.079 and we starved, so we looked like we were coming 1412 01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:02.280 out of concentration. Can't and that was the look. And 1413 01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:05.519 then I'm plenty of cocaine and stuff, screw up your music. 1414 01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.559 So everybody was waiting for the after party. Nobody gave 1415 01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:11.679 a shit about the gig anymore. That's what that happened. 1416 01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:15.440 I mean, Mantra to Rock dangerously close to dying because 1417 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.800 they were just doing so much, so much, and you 1418 01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:20.960 know the people said they weren't doing They were doing 1419 01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:24.159 more than anybody and I you know, regular civilians, we 1420 01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:26.360 couldn't afford to do it. Those guys didn't, thank god. 1421 01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.159 So you feel kind of left out as your friends 1422 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.280 move on, and but you know, and would come over 1423 01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:34.239 and he goes once you got me driving his Lamborghini 1424 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:37.559 want like you know, I got in it and the 1425 01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:39.679 top of the things first, crushing my head down like 1426 01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:42.000 what you could tell the things that Talian is the 1427 01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:44.679 legs are real short, and the wheels about ten feet away. 1428 01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:48.840 That gorilla could drive it really good. You know, he 1429 01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:51.840 had a lot of nice stuff that I appreciate it, 1430 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:54.920 but I mean material stuff only goes so far. Sure. 1431 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:58.360 Yeah, the cooch will destroy a singer's voice. 1432 01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:01.679 Right, oh, to say the least. And that I wasn't 1433 01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:04.559 just cocing a lot of alcohol too, and alcohol does 1434 01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:08.039 not improve your beauty. Plus a cigarettes yeah yeah, yeah. 1435 01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:13.280 Ed was basically living on. His food was McDonald's classic cheeseburgers, 1436 01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:16.320 orange label bos and they were all over the lounge 1437 01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:17.800 all the time. I just thought, man, how do you 1438 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:21.559 eat that shit? I couldn't eat McDonald's after nineteen seventy five. 1439 01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:25.159 It's like I thought it was like sheep dip. It 1440 01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:27.679 did taste right to me. You know. It turns out 1441 01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.239 that twenty one percent of their product is paraffin wax. 1442 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:32.840 So if you want to make the candle on yourself 1443 01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:34.280 and just took a wick up here, I think you 1444 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:37.880 meet McDonald turn into a candle. But you know he 1445 01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:41.320 didn't didn't take care of himself. It hijr teeth fell 1446 01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:43.840 out you know a lot of the stuff that goes 1447 01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:44.840 to being a junkie. 1448 01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:48.199 Basically, yeah, very sad. It was good though. He got 1449 01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:51.320 his leg, he got his hes, got himself together by 1450 01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:52.000 the end there. 1451 01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:53.599 But you know, he made a joke out of it. 1452 01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:55.360 Back then, my bass layer said, we had a song 1453 01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:58.320 called I knew a guy named Ed. The son goes up, 1454 01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:00.559 Folly go to bad. He dipped the crypt. He got 1455 01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:03.679 a little studio called fifty one fifty. We're doing a wrap. 1456 01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:03.960 Fuck. 1457 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:06.760 He was doing that. Look look what's coming in from 1458 01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:10.480 the inside. You know that what on this next? Man? Helen? Oh, 1459 01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:12.320 you ate one too. Had a lot of my influence 1460 01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:16.840 on him, really that that was one of my tunes 1461 01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:20.239 and he just he bagged it and get out. He 1462 01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:22.599 never mastered, He never used a master. He recorded my 1463 01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:25.960 master's on a cassette tape and it got lost because 1464 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:28.400 it was on one of his motorcycles. I thought, my god, 1465 01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:30.480 where my life's worked? 1466 01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:33.719 Wow? You know you couldn't put so black and blue 1467 01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:34.400 was your rests? 1468 01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:40.920 Yeah? Remember yeah, the Angels? Remember Angels? That band? Yes, okay, 1469 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:44.760 Barry the drummer. Ed wanted to hire me. Everyvery goes 1470 01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.199 fuck you, I know, you are your sheeps getting he 1471 01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:50.719 refused to work for him. Walt Woodbard, from a Marcaid 1472 01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:52.880 and bat down in New Jersey, was a good friend 1473 01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:54.880 of mine. He said, I'm not working for him, but 1474 01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:58.880 he yells at everybody. Because he came to visit me 1475 01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:02.400 at the Hit Factor. You wouldn't let hi in and 1476 01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:04.599 I I was married at the time. My wife went 1477 01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:07.400 down there wearing this georgia and never smelled good on her. 1478 01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:11.039 He threw a right fuck out of the studio. She 1479 01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:14.000 had to go bathe and change. Did not put that 1480 01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:18.800 georgia on get back in here. He didn't have Dave 1481 01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:22.119 did not spare the mustard on anybody. I'd been being 1482 01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:24.559 a restaurant with him and somebody up something, I'd just 1483 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:28.280 be like, oh, the poor person, and the whole live. 1484 01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:30.119 We used to go to burg Continental and all the 1485 01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:34.480 places around town, and they're all gone. Now it's funny. 1486 01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:36.519 I see him now and again. He takes a bicycle 1487 01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:39.320 riding few pedals, real slow, like an old man got 1488 01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:42.639 farm crow. And one day we had a little dispute 1489 01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:45.400 over a check and he heard me screech up. The 1490 01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:48.719 inter comes on and I said, Dave. He goes yeah, 1491 01:07:48.760 --> 01:07:52.599 I said, I took her off and there was checks 1492 01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:56.320 in my veil box the next day. He almost, you 1493 01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:59.760 were a boy. So it's like they're not really concerned 1494 01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:01.960 about We're not trying to get you your money. It's like, 1495 01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:06.199 but the point you saved me is that Jay Mortgagestern, 1496 01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:08.719 who was affiliate all the way back to the Tiffany 1497 01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:12.800 label Columbia. He ran a company that would track your 1498 01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:15.440 money for you, and we give really well at Black Finland, 1499 01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:19.039 black Box and uh, you know the Benelux Country and stuff. 1500 01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:22.279 One guy had one seven percent of the song goes, well, 1501 01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:24.119 I'm going to track my mind. So he said, well 1502 01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:26.079 you can call the Benelex Country. They put you on 1503 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.520 a hold. They think how many records and soul not 1504 01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:31.680 a very efficient way to collect money. And he wanted 1505 01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:33.840 ten thousand dollars to do this for me. And I 1506 01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:36.840 had ten grand left in the bank and I had 1507 01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:38.640 still a bought a house, and I thought, man, it's 1508 01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:40.840 a leap of faith, like you don't believe. It ended 1509 01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:42.840 up yielding like eighty five thousand dollars out of it. 1510 01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:45.720 So I was lucky. You have somebody tracked your money 1511 01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:46.920 for you in Europe. 1512 01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:51.960 Yeah, you said on the TV CBS that did this 1513 01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:54.880 segment on you that if it wasn't for Dave, you 1514 01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:56.359 wouldn't have had that home in Altadena. 1515 01:08:56.600 --> 01:09:00.000 Probably not, because it gave me of lucidity to buy 1516 01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:02.399 really basically for cash and do not have a big 1517 01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:04.600 mortgage fing because I could get time to get up, 1518 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:07.119 which they did. You know, there was a whole lot 1519 01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:09.279 of music money and music pis. You could make a 1520 01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:12.640 thousand dollars a month gigging, and I had a kid, 1521 01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:14.880 little girl. I had to do something. So the way 1522 01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:16.840 I look at it is like it was providence that 1523 01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:20.439 did it. And basically how he learned about Dave talking 1524 01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:25.880 about AAR record CHR two different animals. CHR is elephant bucks, 1525 01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:29.920 that's uh, Barry Manilow, that's really now and that kind 1526 01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:33.279 of thing. And Ar's album oriented deep tracks and stuff, 1527 01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:36.159 which is I don't trust my own judgment if I 1528 01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:38.479 like a song, and probably best to steer away from 1529 01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:41.000 it because it's going to be a deep track, you know, 1530 01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:44.920 like those are my oh, def Leppard. I listened to 1531 01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:48.600 Billy Got a gudget, Like the way the guitar me 1532 01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:53.000 is better than Piromania, I mean title track, and I 1533 01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:54.880 get stuck down there a lot times. Those are the 1534 01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:58.880 very deep stuff, you know, the cap beyond uh You're. 1535 01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:05.239 God Captain with uh yeah with Rod Uh. Wow, that's 1536 01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:08.319 so cool you mentioned that. Yeah, Rod Evans from from 1537 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:12.079 Deep Purple, whose things on Hush the Prost. 1538 01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:15.039 The Doctor where glennielga Venist about ten miles from yere. 1539 01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:18.920 Wow, that's such a great album. They only made one album, 1540 01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:22.239 I think, but oh they did to. 1541 01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:23.319 The first one. 1542 01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:25.239 Yeah, that first one is. 1543 01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:27.399 A bunch of guys that got together and smoked pot. 1544 01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.119 It was Mike Pinera and Ryango on guitars, but he 1545 01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:32.039 used the telecat to the Marshalls and he crimped it 1546 01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:35.680 way up. Had a really neat staccato, kind of a 1547 01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:38.760 weird sound. I never heard Telly get All. Little tricks 1548 01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:41.960 like that should not be used. Those big Thori amps incredible. 1549 01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:45.920 What was the talk around ton about Montrose that first album? 1550 01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:48.800 That was an impactuous record. I mean, Monny Montrose was 1551 01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:51.680 RNI would do. He was a very sparse player, but 1552 01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.159 that was a goddamn good record. Everybody loved it. It 1553 01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:57.760 was really the closest thing to rock and roll you 1554 01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:01.319 could get at seventy five and where they only come 1555 01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:05.239 out at night. Remember, yep, Wrecked Eringer just do a 1556 01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:07.760 lot of credit. He Derenger is one of the best 1557 01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:10.520 guitar players out there for a time because he went 1558 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:13.680 through South Salvador single string studies he had. They're legitimate 1559 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:17.760 chops and uh he doesn't look like that ever. Really 1560 01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:20.479 burned him down. But we all played Rick Deringer stuff. 1561 01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:22.880 He was to be respected. I thought it was great. 1562 01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:25.439 Yeah, the Lee van Millen did rock and roll, Hucci 1563 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:26.800 cou in the clubs. 1564 01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:30.520 Johnny was really the fascination, you know he was. He 1565 01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:32.560 would sign the biggest record contract of all the time. 1566 01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:34.159 But they have to keep putting this tool live and 1567 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:35.960 well and rock and roll. WoT you cool? On every 1568 01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:37.079 record he did? 1569 01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:38.760 Still living great? 1570 01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:40.960 John Datson Winner was a great record that I could play. 1571 01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:45.560 And he lived in Connecticut, really but he passed away. 1572 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:47.039 Yeah, oh I didn't know that. 1573 01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:50.039 Okay, in front of mine. They live in Fairfield County, 1574 01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:53.399 which is right across you know, just right next door 1575 01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:55.800 to New York. Yeah, yeah, right, Connecticut. 1576 01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:56.439 Yeah. 1577 01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:58.720 The dad was a public defender and he said, man, 1578 01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:00.640 he goes Johnny Winner lived alloy. 1579 01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:05.640 Oh okay, and you hook? Oh my god, yeah, yeah, 1580 01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:07.520 that's right near where I worked at the radio station 1581 01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:10.039 nine ninety five was in Danbury. I've worked there for 1582 01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:10.560 many years. 1583 01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:13.680 German, Irish or Italian? Who me? 1584 01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:19.880 Yeah, oh, I'm I would be Senach is part Ukrainian, 1585 01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:23.720 Irish and Italian. My mother's maiden name is Mango. 1586 01:12:24.760 --> 01:12:26.039 I mean Sugard as much. 1587 01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:27.279 Okay. 1588 01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:30.520 My mom's name was Capelletti and they were My dad 1589 01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:33.560 was Southern Baptist, so there we had a wild ausehold. 1590 01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:36.880 But they all were Italians that came. My grandpa came 1591 01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:39.600 over twenty three, so I'm only two generations out of 1592 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:43.720 that could get European citizenship because my grandpa came over 1593 01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:46.680 on the sat at Ellis Island for a couple of months. 1594 01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:48.920 He was a Matthew musician. He was a woodwind player. 1595 01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:52.279 He played the or film all the time. Reminded me 1596 01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:54.479 we were day. The most violent gig I ever played 1597 01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:58.520 was at the Avalon in Boston. Oh yeah, count those 1598 01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:02.000 people at Boston p Rock so he beat the shit 1599 01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:03.680 out of each other. It was about seven girls and 1600 01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:06.840 three thousand guys or something. It wasn't a pretty sight. 1601 01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:09.239 And don't wear a New York Yankees hat in Boston. 1602 01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:12.960 Yeah, so Winter a young gang. I mean they were 1603 01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:14.560 all wearing a leather and it's like it was like 1604 01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:17.279 we went back in time and we played the Theater 1605 01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:19.680 of Living Arts in Pennsylvania, which was kind of cool. 1606 01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:24.319 But uh, most of the gigs we played were like 1607 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:29.319 jads and movie theaters and Bowling Alley. That's where where 1608 01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:31.640 it was going in ninety four. And I think that 1609 01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:34.680 Motley Crue when they had John Krabbie. I know John well, 1610 01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:37.359 he said it just wasn't working on tour. They would 1611 01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:38.399 looking at the numbers. 1612 01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:42.199 The math was and that's a great album that we 1613 01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:43.560 did with Mortley Crue. 1614 01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:47.760 Everybody had a failing record that year. We got defaulted 1615 01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:49.760 for it because we got bumped from Warner Brothers down 1616 01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:53.199 to the Atlantic at the tith of death for sure. 1617 01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:55.880 Yeah, I thought it was was it Warner Reprise? 1618 01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:56.199 Right? 1619 01:13:56.359 --> 01:13:57.960 Was that what it was? The label. 1620 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:02.800 Was on it when when Ergon had it, But we 1621 01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:07.000 got would put in a Snaptraus company with Touchwood and 1622 01:14:07.079 --> 01:14:09.600 the distribution company ched the ship out of We're getting 1623 01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:12.159 money out of it all. It's just it's a music vinds. 1624 01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:13.840 You can't I don wouldn't get upset about it. I 1625 01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:16.119 mean I remember walking around being all bitter than that. 1626 01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:18.640 I thought, I'm gonna let this get to me. Everybody 1627 01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:23.359 gets ripped off. I think Jean Fogerty, they really got 1628 01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:26.399 his head. That's where Advance can't dance. But it's still 1629 01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:27.359 your mon. Remember that one. 1630 01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:31.279 Oh yeah, you said you stole your own song? Yeah, 1631 01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:34.039 that was Salt sal Zantce. 1632 01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:36.800 I was most impressed with Dave's work on D L R. Band. 1633 01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:40.039 I really was never what you Yeah, let's talk about 1634 01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:43.640 that he did. And I'm going to tell you one 1635 01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:45.840 of my favorite, maybe my favorite songs that you did 1636 01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:49.079 with Davis black sand What do you know? What can 1637 01:14:49.119 --> 01:14:51.640 you tell us about that song? How did that come up? 1638 01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:54.399 Well? That was Erwin Muster's production. She got Urwin, who 1639 01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:59.159 just did Van Hallen. Erman's done Paco Dalasia. He's done 1640 01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:02.359 the Scorpions from one record to the first to last. 1641 01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:06.880 And he came in and he was a German, very German. 1642 01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:09.560 So all the fifty seven serman De said, I are 1643 01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:12.960 four twenty one. It was a really industrial down. We 1644 01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:15.000 had Ray Luzier on drums, who was. 1645 01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:17.880 Great, phenomenal. 1646 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:20.119 Yeah he was this is backer. He's a skinny the 1647 01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:22.279 little guy. I said, where'd you come fan? He goes, well, 1648 01:15:22.279 --> 01:15:23.920 my dad's a farmer. He said, I wasn't any good 1649 01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:26.960 at farming, So play the drums and he got right 1650 01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:28.840 as soon as the herb. He said, get this guy. 1651 01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:31.359 And John Lowry played on it too. I was he 1652 01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:34.399 was in the studio when I was there. Uh, And 1653 01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:37.159 John had like fifty one telecatchers and I left my 1654 01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:38.960 fifty three in there and he ended up using it. 1655 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:41.039 He kissed me off. But you got fifty telegu you 1656 01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:43.520 got to use mine, I said, Dave, I told you 1657 01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:46.720 touch my guitars. I let it go. But it was 1658 01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:49.479 interesting because David was trying to intervene on the solo. 1659 01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:53.359 And remember Muster goes, look, he goes, you bade me 1660 01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:58.600 to produce a record? Get out? And Terry said, you know, 1661 01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:00.079 we got a guy here. He's got a bash to 1662 01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:03.119 read harmony. Why don't we use him? That would be me. 1663 01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:07.119 I got some cal arts, so Urban got with me, 1664 01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:10.039 and that's the first song I ever felt that anybody 1665 01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:13.760 produced correctly. He completely changed the whole song. All the 1666 01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:17.000 changes there, all the parts were there, but he rearranged it, 1667 01:16:17.079 --> 01:16:19.159 kind of tacked it together. Should go Home, learn this. 1668 01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:21.319 I thought, I gotta do a good solo for this, 1669 01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:24.319 and the solo was good, but if I didn't know 1670 01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:26.399 what he was listening to it, what I liked about it, it 1671 01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:30.479 was just scant my toes on the nose, a bunch 1672 01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:33.800 of bullshit. You really vindicated himself in that first record, 1673 01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:36.880 Going Places very good too. We get that ocean and 1674 01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:40.079 we get it at Royal and the twelve string guitar ship. 1675 01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:42.319 What makes me manage that? John five got all the 1676 01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:44.319 credit for the hard flying. You know I did all 1677 01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:49.119 the hard stuff like that's the end was a strip 1678 01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:50.159 clubs to this day. 1679 01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:53.880 You read my mind. Lose the dress, keep the shoes, Yeah, 1680 01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:55.960 lose the dress, keep the shoes. Man great too. 1681 01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:00.399 Well the song the original Devil. That thing is badass. Yeah, 1682 01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:02.920 David loved it. I thought, okay, we got that one down, 1683 01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:05.079 and yeah, I had a bunch of other songs. We 1684 01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:08.079 got to five of them. John did seven and I did. 1685 01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:10.640 I gugged in on weekend with the babysitter and fixed 1686 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:13.520 that form. Yes, before we get that little whispering party. 1687 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:17.439 The dynamics are cool. John's a great player, but he 1688 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:23.520 doesn't have forty years of marination. Basically, I didn't marinate 1689 01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:26.720 a long time, but you know I put it in 1690 01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:28.199 the right place, I said, I'm most proud of that. 1691 01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:30.680 As far as recording with Dave Black, Sam's. 1692 01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:32.439 Out of Doubt, Oh what a song man. 1693 01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:35.720 What I wrote when I was sixteen, go and. 1694 01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:38.800 Put wow, okay, go in places. 1695 01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:40.600 The cargoes into like a leeds up, you know, like 1696 01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:43.760 a tramp underfoot. Like sounds like something out of physical 1697 01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:47.319 graffiti or something. It's just an obvious uh you know, uh, 1698 01:17:48.119 --> 01:17:51.800 raise fifth, seventh down whatever. I understood music fairer than 1699 01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:53.279 a lot of guys back then, but I didn't know 1700 01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:55.680 what the hell I was doing. All I knew is 1701 01:17:55.680 --> 01:17:58.239 that major major scales sound better, and there in other 1702 01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:00.439 keys than the keys they're supothed to be in the right. 1703 01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:05.279 You play at a major scale and g G major scale, 1704 01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:07.279 and you do it against ay, then you got something 1705 01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:11.520 in a It sounds like this guy's doing scales. Practicing 1706 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:15.119 is major scale, you know. But it's also stardy. I 1707 01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:16.840 mean a lot of it. My cousin was very good 1708 01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:19.399 players to carry. It's all parlor tricks. It's all partler. 1709 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:22.039 To me. It was that the parlor trick was like 1710 01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:25.239 trying to get that lightning every time you play you 1711 01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:26.560 know what I mean, trying to get you know, like 1712 01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:29.079 you do when you play good Night's Bad Nights that 1713 01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:31.399 she feels like she's on you control of it. You 1714 01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:32.920 have a fall out of you got control of. 1715 01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:35.279 It, and there's no explanation behind it, right, it's just 1716 01:18:35.319 --> 01:18:36.479 when you're on, you're on, you don't. 1717 01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:40.039 It's like talking about what do you do? I mean, 1718 01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:42.039 if you would you do it for a trade so automatic, 1719 01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:44.880 you do it so well, you put somebody else in 1720 01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:47.079 that position, they're gonna be very uncomfortable, right. 1721 01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:50.039 But but also I have I'll have I'll have interviews 1722 01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:51.760 where I just feel like I'm in a groove, you know, 1723 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:54.680 like right now, everything's just locked in. Sometimes I'll do 1724 01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:56.760 an interview and it's just not like you're trying to 1725 01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:57.319 get money. 1726 01:18:57.319 --> 01:18:59.720 Better understanding of what's happening now in music is where 1727 01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:02.880 some guy that Googie's podcast think that there's an industry 1728 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:05.079 out there, And it blows my mind because everybody raises 1729 01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:07.399 this pick Stuss about the Nam Show, and you go 1730 01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:08.920 down there and see a bunch of shit you can't 1731 01:19:08.960 --> 01:19:11.720 afford to buy all that nice mercury stuff and all 1732 01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:15.439 the recording here, and it's a cottage industry on an 1733 01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:19.399 industry that doesn't exist anymore. There's really no way to 1734 01:19:19.399 --> 01:19:21.479 make any money at it anymore. But the companies are 1735 01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:23.520 not going to like Zappa said, the old days, you 1736 01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:25.880 got the old Jews. Theyre smoking at the guards and 1737 01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:30.399 they said, mother's cooking just foot three hundred thousand dollars 1738 01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:33.000 on sticks to the wall. That's where you got the 1739 01:19:33.039 --> 01:19:36.279 mothers of the bench. Uh, you know all the Avot 1740 01:19:36.319 --> 01:19:37.800 Guard stuff that was out there. You know. 1741 01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:44.159 Now record labels have a piece in the touring industry 1742 01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:45.960 because that's the way they're going to make money unless 1743 01:19:46.039 --> 01:19:49.279 unless it's like the Stones are bigger than they have 1744 01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:54.720 their own touring company. But basically record labels that they're thinking, 1745 01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:56.439 I'm not going to make money off of albums, so 1746 01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:57.960 we got to get a piece of the tour. 1747 01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:00.880 They turned to smart which is what they did. 1748 01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:02.560 Yeah, that was interesting. 1749 01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:04.319 They don't put their girls out on the street anymore. 1750 01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:06.279 They say, we could just like Walmart. We can get 1751 01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:08.079 it for you if you need it, right. 1752 01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:10.880 But don't do you get do you get a little 1753 01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:16.560 piston musicians? Where for me, as a music. Fan musicians 1754 01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:19.319 make music, and some some musicians won't make an album 1755 01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:20.920 because it's like, well, why bother, I'm not going to 1756 01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:23.079 make money off of it. But but the fans. 1757 01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:25.720 They doesn't even care about money, you know what. With me, 1758 01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:29.800 it's like they have an old gold miner that's you know, yellow, 1759 01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:31.680 never gets any water. He's out in the desert, want 1760 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:33.479 around and goes, hey, make it a living. It never 1761 01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:36.560 entered into this. It's just what you could get, that magic, 1762 01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:38.479 that lightning going out in front of people and have 1763 01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:41.520 fun playing. You don't need any money. That's just satisfact. 1764 01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:44.079 That's what people want now. I mean, that's why they 1765 01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:46.359 the stones still go. I don't need the money they 1766 01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:48.920 do because they love it and I love it. But 1767 01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:51.079 I guess they made it's such a gauntlet to go 1768 01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:53.199 through and they start pay to play and all that shit. 1769 01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:57.479 They lost a lot of patrons like that. Well that's 1770 01:20:57.520 --> 01:20:59.560 back in the garage's you know, good oil. 1771 01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:02.680 Changes right, Well, the radio business changed so much. I 1772 01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:04.680 had to get out. And I loved the radio. I 1773 01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:08.279 dreamt of radio. I got an FM radio tattoo, right, 1774 01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:11.800 and but I had to leave the business because I 1775 01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:15.399 couldn't make a living. Yeah, that kissed me off. Kissed 1776 01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:17.119 me off. I still to this day I hate that. 1777 01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:18.439 I got to go to a nine to five. 1778 01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:23.680 My my weach Stone sp six from a religious station 1779 01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:26.239 and you gotta goes, look it goes. You know God 1780 01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:29.039 has money problems. We know that He's just always have 1781 01:21:29.119 --> 01:21:32.039 money problem. He said, I can't make a living anymore. 1782 01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:34.560 He had a huge congregation and I had to shifted 1783 01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:37.359 out here from New Jersey and I love that. I 1784 01:21:37.399 --> 01:21:39.600 mean it was like it was so so perfect for 1785 01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:43.239 my use and and everybody's going pro tools. They said, 1786 01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:45.039 you know we could do all that approaches. It never 1787 01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:48.319 impressed me. No, I like that take. 1788 01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:52.279 They they have now in the radio business AI voices, 1789 01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:57.079 voice tracking, shifts, complete shifts and nobody would know the difference, 1790 01:21:57.239 --> 01:21:58.479 which is depressing to me. 1791 01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:01.079 Well yeah, but it was like Eward had that United 1792 01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:04.199 Ris Nury board. Don Landy retired and he died recently. 1793 01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:06.840 Landy was a genius. I mean he could get tone 1794 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:09.760 out of a toilet and he re wired that. He 1795 01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:11.800 used to work for the phone company. Well what happened 1796 01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:15.199 is that that was Van Helen sound Don Landy was it? 1797 01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:18.399 If you take Don Landy out of that equation, they'll 1798 01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:19.079 never sound the. 1799 01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:24.399 Same, and little sea and doobies right, and. 1800 01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:26.279 Then they then he went got rid of I saw 1801 01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:27.640 it laying on the side of that. I said, what 1802 01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:29.000 do you got it over here for? Because we're going 1803 01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:31.039 to put an SSL logic and I said, oh, don't 1804 01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:34.680 do that. They put a nine thousand in there and 1805 01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:37.680 it never was the saying, And they threw out all 1806 01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:40.039 the microvolts that they thought they were all went bad. 1807 01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:43.479 Did you read the part about the forty eight volte 1808 01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:46.399 thing to slick to turn on? You want those mics 1809 01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:46.800 to work? 1810 01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:49.000 Yeah, we recorded, threw away. 1811 01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:51.520 Some huge r c A forty five and stuff. They 1812 01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:52.680 had to have a power source. 1813 01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:54.960 But you and I recorded an analog. 1814 01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:55.199 What is it? 1815 01:22:57.800 --> 01:23:00.600 I was about to record analog machine now. 1816 01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:03.880 But you have to be an egghead, you know, because. 1817 01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:06.159 Both of us have that same taste when it comes 1818 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:06.720 to recording. 1819 01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:08.399 We don't like you could hear it. I mean, I'm 1820 01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:10.520 just here to take it's the What it is is 1821 01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:12.680 that everything is an etching. Those little chips that make 1822 01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:16.880 the sound cards up, they're etchings, very mild like this 1823 01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:19.600 is the tl OSW two is probably the most famous 1824 01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:23.319 etching right, it's an etching. I mean with with tape, 1825 01:23:23.359 --> 01:23:26.439 you've got a heads that scrape you know, oxide off 1826 01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:29.279 and make a real big footprint. And that that goes 1827 01:23:29.319 --> 01:23:31.840 to say a lot like you know, towns of just 1828 01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:34.159 ordered those Mara machines. He means he's got a two 1829 01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:37.640 inch eight track, so every track has a quarter of 1830 01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:40.239 an inch of you nuts, you know. 1831 01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:43.159 Yeah, yeah, everything's changed so much. 1832 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:45.239 It has you have to have a lot of money 1833 01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:46.920 to play buck Rogers and this. And you see the 1834 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:49.439 labs they have. My friend work said, oh my god, 1835 01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:53.199 they've got six hundred thousand dollars worth of microphones. Yeah. 1836 01:23:53.199 --> 01:23:56.279 But everybody that I like, they're all doing it on 1837 01:23:56.399 --> 01:23:57.119 pure analog. 1838 01:23:57.359 --> 01:23:59.960 Yeah. Well there's people out there, these kids that you know, 1839 01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:04.199 record records out of that one apagy thing. I can't 1840 01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:06.800 do that. I just have to get it in line 1841 01:24:06.840 --> 01:24:08.560 and get if you got something going. If you don't 1842 01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:10.880 start a fire with one guitar line and a bass drum, 1843 01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:12.479 d ain't got nothing to start anyhow. 1844 01:24:13.279 --> 01:24:15.359 The new song Kilgore's Love Song tell us about that, 1845 01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:17.279 because there's a great story behind that. How did it 1846 01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:19.760 finally come together after it was unfinished for many years? 1847 01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:23.840 It's a red herring. It's really I had a nineteen 1848 01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:27.319 oh four Marler guitar that just was magical. I never 1849 01:24:27.319 --> 01:24:29.159 got out of the fire, but it was. It was 1850 01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:32.960 really a Columbia parlor that had stood the one hundred 1851 01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:37.079 and twenty two years without being crushed. And the guy 1852 01:24:37.079 --> 01:24:38.840 had steal stranger. I said, there's no way this just 1853 01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:41.359 had cat got string at nineteen twenty four. So I 1854 01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:43.960 put eyelogs on it and it just got this celt sound. 1855 01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:47.680 I started recording on my telephone. I came Forul this 1856 01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:49.159 little thing. I said, I tried this, and she did 1857 01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:52.840 jump into it, and I thought, interesting, have everything quite 1858 01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:54.960 like that school. 1859 01:24:54.840 --> 01:25:25.600 The inside on me. 1860 01:25:26.039 --> 01:25:28.319 Yeah, that was around for quite a while, that song, 1861 01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:29.680 that song, the. 1862 01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:32.000 Music with no lyrics for years. 1863 01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:33.399 I don't know what the hell it was I played. 1864 01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:35.439 I said, that's kind of interesting thing. You go, well, 1865 01:25:35.479 --> 01:25:37.640 you like I like to. I was playing a lot 1866 01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:40.079 of celt music. I started doing that like seven or 1867 01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:41.920 eight years ago, and I've got quite a few songs 1868 01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:44.520 that are rock, but they have a Celtic Yeah, not 1869 01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:46.800 like Blackmore, but you know it's got a little bit 1870 01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:52.359 more storyline, you know, something that textures. I don't know 1871 01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:56.000 something that invokes. If it invokes something and make somebody 1872 01:25:56.039 --> 01:25:57.640 want to sten to it, they're going to try something. 1873 01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:00.359 That's why not try something good story? You know, it's 1874 01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:05.279 it's almost like a musical journalism. Yeah, and he. 1875 01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:09.119 Was basically said, take whatever song you like and put 1876 01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:09.760 something down. 1877 01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:12.720 You get a singer and you start talking to them. 1878 01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:14.600 And yet I want you to do that. I won't 1879 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:17.079 you do that. You turn them into a chimpanzee. 1880 01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:20.399 Well it's funny because he messaged me on Facebook and then 1881 01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:24.159 he goes, I need a songwriter, and you asked our friend, 1882 01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:25.640 Gary Putman, our mutual friend. 1883 01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:27.439 But we never knew each other and we hung on 1884 01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:28.000 the same sirt. 1885 01:26:28.079 --> 01:26:31.560 Gary was in a dread Zeppelin. Yeah, Gary's all. 1886 01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:35.319 Gary's on like eighty five percent of both of my albums, 1887 01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:37.279 Funnyully plays. 1888 01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:40.319 He was so good to me, playing on everything, gigging 1889 01:26:40.399 --> 01:26:40.880 with We. 1890 01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:43.079 Played at Me and Gary and Mike Shadow played at 1891 01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:46.760 the Van Halen, the book party that Greg Renoff threw right, Yeah, 1892 01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:49.680 and then Gary jumped out on that. He jumped on 1893 01:26:49.720 --> 01:26:52.000 the dance floor to pages here and go. Yeah. 1894 01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:56.000 Me being in a studio with him, he was He 1895 01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:56.880 didn't go wild, you. 1896 01:26:56.920 --> 01:26:59.000 Know, because Gary will go off on a tangent playing 1897 01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:01.319 guitar and you're just like, yep, there he goes, you know, 1898 01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:02.560 like Terry saying. 1899 01:27:02.359 --> 01:27:04.439 By you know, I can't play the clubs he plays. 1900 01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:08.600 He plays these god clubs are of people plays. He 1901 01:27:08.640 --> 01:27:10.479 played a lot of gigs. But the more gigs you play, 1902 01:27:10.640 --> 01:27:13.520 the less people are going to start to loose. And 1903 01:27:13.560 --> 01:27:15.880 the other thing, you can play yourself in this town. 1904 01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:18.239 But really the other thought is that he's keeping his 1905 01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:19.439 chops up, you know. 1906 01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:22.359 So that's how I see it, because all who go. 1907 01:27:22.479 --> 01:27:25.319 Downtown sere Monderie and then I pop in the local 1908 01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:26.560 bar because I'm a runner. 1909 01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:29.079 That's where you that's where all the players are now, 1910 01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:32.720 local bar. But it used to be, like you was 1911 01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:37.199 a gathering place like FM station, Freddie Mcnatthey's Joint or 1912 01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:40.279 the Viper Room, and it just slowly got phased out. 1913 01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:43.279 It was just too much. A lucky strike come back around. 1914 01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:45.600 A lot of bands played a lucky strike and now 1915 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:48.039 they're playing down at Mozam Beacon. You know, in that 1916 01:27:48.359 --> 01:27:51.279 there's a lot more work in Arms County, but it's 1917 01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:53.079 it's machine, it's factory work. 1918 01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:56.079 Basically, I feel like everything's cyclical, you. 1919 01:27:56.039 --> 01:27:58.680 Know, and it'll come back receiving a Tributeyet I never 1920 01:27:58.760 --> 01:27:59.000 do it. 1921 01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:00.520 Well, you're not going to be because. 1922 01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:04.159 I'm saying I couldn't do that thing. Yeah, people like 1923 01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:05.640 playing a Richard music out there. 1924 01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:08.840 And my friend already so off. He's in the Fab four. 1925 01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:10.840 So when I asked him to do back up on 1926 01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:13.520 my second second album, I think it was my first 1927 01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:14.159 album too. 1928 01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:16.920 Is like having Paul McCartney on the album, and so 1929 01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:17.399 I'm like. 1930 01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:23.760 Making players run here. They don't the world Well, I 1931 01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:24.279 don't know. 1932 01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:26.199 I mean I think some of them choose. 1933 01:28:26.279 --> 01:28:28.399 Well, when you go out and tour like that, he realized. 1934 01:28:28.439 --> 01:28:30.000 I went out tour my own group for a couple 1935 01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:33.319 of years. I thought you could get locking Automobile Wilders 1936 01:28:33.319 --> 01:28:34.880 for North America and never come back. 1937 01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:36.880 But you know, I asked one time, I said. 1938 01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:39.199 I locked that door. You're not going to come back 1939 01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:40.880 on money, but you may be able to dig all 1940 01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:41.479 the way through it. 1941 01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:44.359 But I said to Artie, do you like playing, you know, 1942 01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:45.479 in the tribute band? 1943 01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:50.199 And he goes, yeah, could he get sick of it? 1944 01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:53.079 And he goes until I think of having a desk 1945 01:28:53.239 --> 01:28:55.760 job that I don't like you know, not no nothing 1946 01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:58.439 against desk jobs. I have one to yell for years, 1947 01:28:58.439 --> 01:29:00.920 but but he's I figure, you know that that would 1948 01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:01.560 be something. 1949 01:29:01.600 --> 01:29:03.359 There aren't guys like you know, the guys I've been 1950 01:29:03.359 --> 01:29:05.439 looked at you. I love Joe bona match because he's 1951 01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:08.640 got the right psychology. And he got real pissed off 1952 01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:09.920 at me because I was I go to the same 1953 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:12.000 guitar check and I didn't recognize him. He looks like 1954 01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:14.800 the right I don't know who hell he was, but 1955 01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:16.840 I have a lot of respect Rymond Eric Gales. I 1956 01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:18.720 love the way he plays. I mean, he's just got 1957 01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:23.359 that kind of a spiritual then quality of the magic, 1958 01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:23.960 you know what I mean? 1959 01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:26.920 Yeah, And when you and I are finishing the album, though, 1960 01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:29.680 there's gonna be a lot like that love song is 1961 01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:31.680 is one unique song. 1962 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:32.600 And that I just liked her. 1963 01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:34.399 I couldn't play it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know how 1964 01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:36.840 what the hell I didn't figure out the stage. 1965 01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:38.199 That I picked that song? 1966 01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:40.319 You go, of all the songs that gave you, you picked 1967 01:29:40.319 --> 01:29:42.239 the one that I never thought anybody would write a 1968 01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:43.239 lyric to, you know. 1969 01:29:43.239 --> 01:29:45.079 And I the thing that's why I want to get 1970 01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:47.720 other people on this thing. Because the way they think, 1971 01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:48.079 you know. 1972 01:29:48.199 --> 01:29:51.199 Yeah, and I actually did sing that one in the bathtub. 1973 01:29:51.600 --> 01:30:04.439 I write lyrics real quick to them at the top 1974 01:30:04.520 --> 01:30:05.680 of the easel. 1975 01:30:08.199 --> 01:30:13.479 Number, do them mad. 1976 01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:18.119 To them? 1977 01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:21.199 That's the tumple. The isle. 1978 01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:47.039 Was the plan I longed to put together whole album 1979 01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:48.560 or did that one a song kind of? 1980 01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:51.800 I have an album for Maturial, but you know what, 1981 01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:53.560 you're not, so I'm going to do a solo style 1982 01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:56.119 record or guitar record. I expect him guitar on there 1983 01:30:56.319 --> 01:30:59.479 and lyrics. And given the situation as it was to 1984 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:01.640 get I just now acquired all the gear that I 1985 01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:04.800 could pull that off with because remember I lost my 1986 01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:08.079 whole all my pre app follow stuff that I was 1987 01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:11.119 accustomed of using. And it's it's a hell of a 1988 01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:13.399 far back away when you have a ten seventy three 1989 01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:17.159 Brett Admirals and they're gone and you're trying to do 1990 01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:19.920 something with the art pree app. I mean, it's just 1991 01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:23.039 you have to you have to rely on other other factors, 1992 01:31:23.079 --> 01:31:27.039 you know what I mean. There's a show beautiful hardware, 1993 01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:30.960 but you can't play work ship and you have to 1994 01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:32.880 have everything going at once. And a lot of the 1995 01:31:32.920 --> 01:31:35.880 people that have money would rather have somebody else recorded, 1996 01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:37.640 And I go, if you have money and the luxury 1997 01:31:37.680 --> 01:31:40.000 of time, I'm going to do it, yeah, and then 1998 01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:41.680 you can get at it, you know when I do. 1999 01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:44.039 A mix, So we'll do recordings in the house. 2000 01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:47.039 The love song, I was practicing the song and I 2001 01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:48.960 ended up just doing a sample. 2002 01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:50.319 I was in the path. 2003 01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:53.680 That stuff out, brought into SiO. 2004 01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:57.039 And used that vocal, and then I doubled it a 2005 01:31:57.079 --> 01:32:00.840 little bit in certain spots because to clean it up, 2006 01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:04.000 because you know, when you have the track with the music. 2007 01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:05.840 On it, you can't separate, and sometimes you need the 2008 01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:07.399 vocals up, you know what I mean. 2009 01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:09.960 So if it wasn't working, then I would double it 2010 01:32:10.039 --> 01:32:13.279 and then we use kind of a mix of both interchange. 2011 01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:16.720 But ninety song is done in the bouttime. 2012 01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:20.560 Cobt said it poetically. A Capital Records goes, You're like 2013 01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:23.720 a missing link or something we should have heard that 2014 01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:26.199 we didn't hear a long time ago, that you fill 2015 01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:30.079 a hole that nobody I've heard filth like that, And 2016 01:32:30.119 --> 01:32:34.399 that's how it was cryptic. It's not like intentionally done. 2017 01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:36.880 It's like I remember this vibe from when I was 2018 01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:39.520 a kid. I wrote a song about you know, I 2019 01:32:39.640 --> 01:32:42.880 like repetitive lines, like if you're gonna do a guitar line, 2020 01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:45.840 I like one that that reciprocates of one that modulates 2021 01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:49.159 around it. Because of my education, I had an education harmony. 2022 01:32:49.159 --> 01:32:52.199 I understand how to use it. But really, I think 2023 01:32:52.199 --> 01:32:54.199 that people come out of a dead stock with no 2024 01:32:54.399 --> 01:32:56.239 schooling at all and come up with the same kind 2025 01:32:56.279 --> 01:32:57.199 of shit all the time. 2026 01:32:57.520 --> 01:32:59.199 I didn't. I'm not trained either. 2027 01:32:59.239 --> 01:33:00.720 As I had a guy come to me when I 2028 01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:03.039 was giving guitar losters that he had one hundred songs 2029 01:33:03.039 --> 01:33:05.640 to put together out of the seven chords that he knew, 2030 01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:08.079 and none of it was bad. You just go, Wow, 2031 01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:09.199 this guy's got talent. 2032 01:33:09.319 --> 01:33:11.880 But what I you it was your sound. Because I 2033 01:33:11.880 --> 01:33:13.079 didn't really know who he was. 2034 01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:16.479 I feel, you know, nobody knows who I am. I'm blucky. 2035 01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:19.039 I don't know I know who he is. 2036 01:33:19.720 --> 01:33:22.760 Gary down to have a lot of friends back east too. 2037 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:25.800 Yeah, And Gary invited me down to the local bar 2038 01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:28.199 and I brought my son and then he was playing 2039 01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:31.119 and that's how we met. And then but but when 2040 01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:34.159 I heard his swampy slide to. 2041 01:33:34.199 --> 01:33:37.560 Chalie, when I looked at you anywhere near Federal Hill, 2042 01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:41.479 I mean it's funny because, uh, John Reagan told me 2043 01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:43.600 that they changed their dango and Irish nanka is. The 2044 01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:45.880 Irish cops were beating the ship out of his dad 2045 01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:50.760 all the time, really galaning, you know, and my grandma. 2046 01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:52.760 There's so many of my roatives back east, and a 2047 01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:57.119 lot of them were not the Morolos are like the 2048 01:33:57.199 --> 01:33:58.640 horrible Jenis. 2049 01:33:58.159 --> 01:34:02.159 Out at Chicoo mess with. Yeah, well, I mean just 2050 01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:04.319 that kind of thing, you know. As a huge David 2051 01:34:04.399 --> 01:34:06.920 Lee fan, I sure know who you are. I went 2052 01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:09.079 out and bought the album the CD when I was 2053 01:34:09.119 --> 01:34:11.439 in my senior year in college, went to the nearest 2054 01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:13.479 record store, and so the girl. 2055 01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:15.920 Down the street goes, my brother a big fan of yours, 2056 01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:20.039 And I'm thinking I have a lot of popular people 2057 01:34:20.079 --> 01:34:22.199 back ds that like me, and I think it was 2058 01:34:22.239 --> 01:34:24.359 more like the embrace Me because I was like one 2059 01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:26.840 of them. I walked through Red Light to New York. 2060 01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:32.439 I go, I don't stop, what's the Waylon Jennings covering? 2061 01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:38.119 So I being nineteen seven about this? For yeah, I 2062 01:34:38.159 --> 01:34:40.840 talk about it all the time. So I as soon 2063 01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:42.319 as I met him, I'm like, oh, he kind of 2064 01:34:42.359 --> 01:34:43.600 right whaling Jennings. 2065 01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:46.680 He looks yeah, yeah, you're right, and his voice is. 2066 01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:52.359 Just not that much of a philanderer. Well, it was 2067 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:54.720 bad from the very beginning. I mean, when you get 2068 01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:56.359 cooked at buddy all, I goes, I hope the guy's 2069 01:34:56.359 --> 01:34:59.279 cracked that I did. 2070 01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:03.039 That's the story. Yeahs terrible about that. 2071 01:35:03.319 --> 01:35:04.039 Felt terrible. 2072 01:35:04.239 --> 01:35:06.560 But the point is, yeah, so I alslew that same 2073 01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:08.159 Bonanda that killed all those people. 2074 01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:10.079 But there's a song called so good. 2075 01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:10.920 I killed everybody. 2076 01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:14.359 Yeah, and I so I made it a duet, so 2077 01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:18.800 I inserted my voice and then I'm hoping that Terry 2078 01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:20.159 will sing it and play on it. 2079 01:35:20.359 --> 01:35:24.520 And I'd love for you to play a duet. The 2080 01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:29.199 thing is, I know all this the Carney music stuffy, 2081 01:35:29.279 --> 01:35:32.520 but he does you know, bony fingers. It's only seventies 2082 01:35:32.520 --> 01:35:36.319 country galctic music. But then you know the new coal. 2083 01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:40.279 I love Danny Gatton stuff. I love. You know, they're 2084 01:35:40.319 --> 01:35:41.520 all great players, you. 2085 01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:43.920 Know, I like Old Schott, like George Jones. 2086 01:35:43.880 --> 01:35:46.720 Wriscovered god, Jerry reed Back, I thought, my god, I 2087 01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:49.960 know guy was a great guitar player, fabulous, the most 2088 01:35:50.520 --> 01:35:53.560 economic hands you've ever seen, just just the bare minimum 2089 01:35:53.600 --> 01:35:57.279 to get the sound and the controls like fuck, unbelievable. 2090 01:35:57.319 --> 01:36:00.439 So if that song is on the album, it's already tracked. 2091 01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:02.760 But if Terry ends up playing on it, which I'm 2092 01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:06.119 hoping because we get busy, you know, that would be 2093 01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:06.800 a gift to me. 2094 01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:11.239 Do you know when the album will be out? Isn't 2095 01:36:11.279 --> 01:36:13.439 it September? I thought that. 2096 01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:16.880 Maybe we'll see I'm going to New York. 2097 01:36:17.439 --> 01:36:19.000 I can't let it out if I don't like what 2098 01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:22.239 I hear, and I'll go anyway I do. 2099 01:36:22.279 --> 01:36:24.359 If I go in myself, I bring to home, I 2100 01:36:24.399 --> 01:36:25.800 bring home and then I send it to him. 2101 01:36:25.880 --> 01:36:29.000 Well, you know, I've aged enough songs for when I 2102 01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:30.960 know that, because this thing stands up and it's four 2103 01:36:31.039 --> 01:36:32.479 years old, I'll do it. 2104 01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:35.960 Yeah, But I would love for him to take the 2105 01:36:36.359 --> 01:36:37.239 last one we did. 2106 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:40.520 What was it called the last one we did? 2107 01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:44.039 I don't know what we were just working on, not 2108 01:36:44.119 --> 01:36:46.199 back to eat crime Shame. 2109 01:36:46.680 --> 01:36:49.720 Maybe you could be the one to release it for us. 2110 01:36:50.039 --> 01:36:52.760 Well, I you know I want to play that. I 2111 01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:55.000 would be happy to do that and kill Gore's love song, 2112 01:36:55.079 --> 01:36:56.920 play a clip of it and hopefully they don't pull 2113 01:36:56.960 --> 01:37:01.760 it down on YouTube, and that drives me and saying 2114 01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:03.680 that if they do, I'll let you know and we'll 2115 01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:04.560 and I'll dispute it. 2116 01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:08.119 There's no way they did, because that's nobody owns the 2117 01:37:08.199 --> 01:37:08.600 very frost. 2118 01:37:08.600 --> 01:37:10.560 The way I look at it, if somebody steals something 2119 01:37:10.600 --> 01:37:15.439 and they liked it that much and they're playing it right, 2120 01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:18.079 I can exploit it till you get to a certain point. 2121 01:37:18.119 --> 01:37:19.880 I mean they can't play it, but we're certainly. 2122 01:37:20.600 --> 01:37:23.239 Music's a gift. I mean, like, look at how long 2123 01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:25.319 I be around, how long I want to want to 2124 01:37:25.319 --> 01:37:28.319 have the same energy because you get like, look at 2125 01:37:28.319 --> 01:37:30.600 if it's not working like stuff. He's was one of 2126 01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:32.159 my favorite guitar players in the world. He said it 2127 01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:34.960 just wasn't making any money. He had to go to 2128 01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:38.239 doing film. But he still plays the guy who's doing 2129 01:37:38.239 --> 01:37:41.119 shit in nineteen seventy three. They still are now catching 2130 01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:42.039 up with Yeah. 2131 01:37:41.880 --> 01:37:44.399 And see me, I've never made any money playing music, 2132 01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:46.560 and I've and I'm okay though. 2133 01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:48.960 Because you know, that's how everybody is before they make 2134 01:37:49.000 --> 01:37:52.640 anything into business. And I'd rather be like, like, you know, 2135 01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:55.079 I would have much rather have gone to work for 2136 01:37:55.159 --> 01:37:57.279 John Waite than David Lee rob because he's more of 2137 01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:00.520 a looking for songs, but the guy an aim for 2138 01:38:00.560 --> 01:38:04.600 those skits like that. It's it's a shooting gallery, you 2139 01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:07.079 know what I mean. It's like Graham Bondy's the shooting gallery. 2140 01:38:07.079 --> 01:38:08.880 You're gonna be doing moving target. 2141 01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:14.560 Yes, everybody's ears are moving targets. I mean it's like, Oh, 2142 01:38:14.600 --> 01:38:16.399 that's the best downing amp I've ever heard. Next week 2143 01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:18.920 they put this is the beast down amp I've ever heard. 2144 01:38:19.239 --> 01:38:22.000 It's funny to see what you play on now because 2145 01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:24.680 in comparison to what you grew up on, the Marshalls 2146 01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:25.439 and all that, now. 2147 01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:27.399 You're playing, Well, the thing we don't know everything that 2148 01:38:27.520 --> 01:38:29.439 I can build you a super league now. But what 2149 01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:31.520 we knew everything about him? We didn't know shit about them. 2150 01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:34.239 He built my son a guitar, which is so we 2151 01:38:34.239 --> 01:38:37.560 didn't know anything about at all. You know, ed had 2152 01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:40.760 their bicycle paint and that one hundred and forty dollars 2153 01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:43.880 sarvel and that thing changed and a lot of guys 2154 01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:46.960 were putting combuckis and strata casters and telecasters back then. 2155 01:38:47.439 --> 01:38:49.079 Did you go to that house that he lived in, 2156 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:50.359 that little house that's still. 2157 01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:55.640 There, Yeah, apparently it looks exactly the same exactly. 2158 01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:58.720 I could drop an alley way off of Las lunas, 2159 01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:04.079 which is like or middle class. It was all came 2160 01:39:04.119 --> 01:39:06.960 for more money than that. I was broke. We lived 2161 01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:10.760 to eaton canyon. But you know, but we were monitoring 2162 01:39:10.760 --> 01:39:13.720 each other constantly because he was I kept him on 2163 01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:17.039 his shoes and he really kept me online. Are hard 2164 01:39:17.039 --> 01:39:19.880 guy to beat paint. They were always in charge. But 2165 01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:22.720 you know, there was a room enough for other people 2166 01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:25.399 as long as you didn't play like him. You had 2167 01:39:25.439 --> 01:39:27.000 to play kind of like it, you know, they think 2168 01:39:27.039 --> 01:39:28.880 kind of. But there are a lot of guitar players 2169 01:39:28.880 --> 01:39:33.439 were developing styles, Gary, Carl Hassett, They all were good players, 2170 01:39:33.439 --> 01:39:35.520 and we were all kind of came into the same thing. 2171 01:39:35.560 --> 01:39:37.800 We listened to the English guys and played blues licks. 2172 01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:41.600 Then we heard Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck and blow 2173 01:39:41.640 --> 01:39:44.439 by Blow changed me. I thought, well, I'm instrumental stuff, 2174 01:39:44.479 --> 01:39:47.479 you know what I mean, Ye, Jeff could pull that off. 2175 01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:50.119 I just interviewed Brad Tlinsky and Chris Gill who wrote 2176 01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:51.680 that great book on Eddie, and they just wrote a 2177 01:39:51.680 --> 01:39:54.880 book on Jeff Beck, and it's fabulous books. 2178 01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:58.239 And you know, like Rob Grange and Derrick st. Holmes, 2179 01:39:59.199 --> 01:39:59.920 ed bus Man. 2180 01:39:59.880 --> 01:40:01.520 Right stranglehold these things out. 2181 01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:04.840 They went to the same ship I mean with Derek 2182 01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:06.520 Sae Holmes and oh the god they haven't working there. 2183 01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:10.640 Ted just took off. That'specically what happened. And so you 2184 01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:13.079 know those guys, I call right with them for Brad 2185 01:40:13.079 --> 01:40:16.439 Whitford Aerosmith Bunch when they have the wrong place. 2186 01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:21.039 Whitford Holmes I think was uh Derek was in that band. 2187 01:40:21.560 --> 01:40:23.880 Yeah, they had a cool stop. They used one of 2188 01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:28.039 my tunes. Yeah some good. If I hear something somebody's 2189 01:40:28.039 --> 01:40:30.239 playing to go, okay, I'll bring to do something like 2190 01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:32.159 that too, but I'll do it a little tip, you know. 2191 01:40:33.119 --> 01:40:35.439 And that was what it was fun to go see 2192 01:40:35.439 --> 01:40:37.359 what we would come up with. But real quiet, you 2193 01:40:37.399 --> 01:40:39.199 wouldn't hear me from me in a week and I'd 2194 01:40:39.239 --> 01:40:41.279 be playing its going where'd you pick that? How did 2195 01:40:41.319 --> 01:40:44.680 you pick that up? Competitive? 2196 01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:46.880 But it was a friendly way, you know, just as 2197 01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:50.399 a fan that I just I miss And when he passed, 2198 01:40:50.439 --> 01:40:53.239 it was like that's it. There's no more hope and 2199 01:40:53.319 --> 01:40:54.920 possibility that than another van Hileen. 2200 01:40:56.000 --> 01:40:57.960 Remember all the good time that we had, how close 2201 01:40:58.039 --> 01:41:01.479 we were. I'm sure that ever him his son said 2202 01:41:01.720 --> 01:41:04.880 when he I always told him, Ed, don't drive motorcycles. 2203 01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:07.399 You haven't got the temperament for it. You will die. 2204 01:41:07.439 --> 01:41:09.159 You gotta drive motorcycle and drive a car. He will 2205 01:41:09.159 --> 01:41:11.720 be all right. Drove them like he drove the motorcycle. 2206 01:41:11.760 --> 01:41:13.840 And when he cracked his head open, they looked like 2207 01:41:13.920 --> 01:41:16.079 they a catskin and saw that tumor and side about 2208 01:41:16.159 --> 01:41:19.520 lemon and he said he got his spine. He it was. 2209 01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:20.960 He died very painfully. 2210 01:41:21.640 --> 01:41:24.399 No I heard, that's what Ted Templeman said. 2211 01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:27.000 Well, I saw him, you know, and when you grow 2212 01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:29.319 up with something like that, you see him and they're 2213 01:41:29.359 --> 01:41:32.840 young and they're strong. I mean he pushed the outside 2214 01:41:32.840 --> 01:41:35.119 of the envelope a little harder than he thought. I 2215 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:37.119 was the heavier drinker. I thought, hell no, I just 2216 01:41:37.159 --> 01:41:39.800 don't drink all that beer I got hold of. But 2217 01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:42.239 then he went, you know, shrake to vodka, and it 2218 01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:45.760 just the addictions are progressive and they get the better 2219 01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:48.279 of you. He was, you know, getting He looked like 2220 01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:53.000 Gollum for a while. He might really out of his 2221 01:41:53.439 --> 01:41:54.600 kind of out of his tree. 2222 01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:58.520 Yeah, yeah, that that was a wild It was a 2223 01:41:58.600 --> 01:41:59.079 dark time. 2224 01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:01.520 Get Marshall, AFP. You had a Marshall. A couple of 2225 01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:03.000 little effects that had a great and he alway a 2226 01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:05.119 sudden you had this bradshar regular was as big as 2227 01:42:05.840 --> 01:42:09.960 a sub zero refrigerator. Then twenty six Racks. I don't 2228 01:42:09.960 --> 01:42:13.840 know what the hell it was. The guitarians a big monster. 2229 01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:18.159 Yeah, the sound of his guitar. Nothing fills me up 2230 01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:21.079 more man, It's like, just might people. 2231 01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:22.279 Know what I went when I got rid of my 2232 01:42:22.319 --> 01:42:25.600 fifty my black flags, I had two black flag fifty 2233 01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:29.319 wats and black flags were like before Jim Marshall and 2234 01:42:29.399 --> 01:42:32.760 Theresa were divorced, it was Jim and Theresa Marshall Well, 2235 01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:34.800 he wanted her out and they went to j MP 2236 01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:39.079 Jim Marshall Productions. But the black flags were special lamp fires. 2237 01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:41.840 I worked about ten thousand dollars piece. I sold them 2238 01:42:41.840 --> 01:42:43.800 off because they got sick of the sound, and Mike 2239 01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:47.159 Mike Mike Fans told me, you don't have the same 2240 01:42:47.239 --> 01:42:50.640 Jime used to have for a faggot, and then I 2241 01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:52.720 got it back on Brandles. I'll get pan Terra. We 2242 01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:55.560 started using the Randall stuff because I was touring the 2243 01:42:55.600 --> 01:42:57.840 South seats and you couldn't use the tube. I couldn't 2244 01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:00.600 have the budget to run tube bats twelve hours a 2245 01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:04.079 day because couldn't do it. We played Singapore all the 2246 01:43:04.119 --> 01:43:05.960 military basis. That was the only thing you could get. 2247 01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:08.640 It paid fifty hundred dollars a week, and man it 2248 01:43:08.720 --> 01:43:12.119 was tough. That was rough, tough. You go those islands 2249 01:43:12.159 --> 01:43:14.600 and you know where the military is. Everything rough. In 2250 01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:17.680 one day, there's a big pile of bicycles are all 2251 01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:21.560 covering front of everybody being bicycles. We've been on tire 2252 01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:24.560 of body. I mean, I've been on all the Gilbert Islands, 2253 01:43:24.600 --> 01:43:29.079 the Solomons, because we still have bases out there everywhere. 2254 01:43:29.159 --> 01:43:32.319 Their aw reservation. So the guys that go there, they 2255 01:43:32.359 --> 01:43:34.079 go in for a six month's day and they're going, oh, 2256 01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:36.600 we're going to be here. It's a toll that's maybe 2257 01:43:36.600 --> 01:43:39.840 a mile long and nine hundred yards wide or something, 2258 01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:43.399 and a half a million people live on it. You know. 2259 01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:46.119 It's that's what the South Seas tours are about. But 2260 01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:47.960 that's the only money we could make. In the eighties, 2261 01:43:48.399 --> 01:43:51.560 everybody had everything locked up. Every band looked the same. 2262 01:43:51.640 --> 01:43:56.000 They all was like poisoned or oh god, yeah remember that, yeah, yeah, 2263 01:43:56.119 --> 01:43:59.920 sure do. It was in high school. Yeah, man, Warrant Winger. 2264 01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:01.560 I got from what I said, you guys are going 2265 01:44:01.600 --> 01:44:03.720 to be back in Pomona doing oil champions by the 2266 01:44:03.960 --> 01:44:06.640 by the nineties. And I was right because it was 2267 01:44:06.680 --> 01:44:09.399 really I got picked up because I dressed in a 2268 01:44:09.439 --> 01:44:13.560 black soup with no collars, like a starving blues musician, 2269 01:44:13.640 --> 01:44:15.239 because that's what I was basically. 2270 01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:17.680 And Eddie used to say, don't blame me because everybody 2271 01:44:17.760 --> 01:44:20.560 was like, oh, you know you inspired all these bands, 2272 01:44:20.600 --> 01:44:23.279 these copycat bands. He's like, I didn't do it on purpose. 2273 01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:26.720 Let's just play just playing the. 2274 01:44:27.359 --> 01:44:30.680 Money in the Van Halen trippute bands. I just couldn't 2275 01:44:30.680 --> 01:44:34.079 imagine their set because it's like, you know, I wasn't 2276 01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:35.560 a big fan of our music because I hadn't heard 2277 01:44:35.560 --> 01:44:38.319 it so many times. I mean I could, I could. 2278 01:44:38.520 --> 01:44:40.279 I could listen to the record and see what he's flying. 2279 01:44:40.319 --> 01:44:42.479 I know exactly how I played. We just to laugh 2280 01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:45.119 because I played up like this because I had a 2281 01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:47.760 feel plate in my arm, so I kind of go 2282 01:44:47.800 --> 01:44:49.720 out of differently. When I up picked for Don Eperson, 2283 01:44:49.920 --> 01:44:58.840 Ed played like this right exactly. But he was you know, 2284 01:44:58.920 --> 01:45:02.439 I think that he was just a concert musician. Alt 2285 01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:04.199 when Al talked of it, he said, you know, Ed 2286 01:45:04.520 --> 01:45:08.520 is definitely the cornerstone of that group. I mean, and 2287 01:45:08.840 --> 01:45:10.479 Day wanted in on that. You know, that was the 2288 01:45:10.560 --> 01:45:12.920 only money going out of town because there was other bands. 2289 01:45:13.399 --> 01:45:16.880 But Ed just beat him down bad because they had 2290 01:45:16.920 --> 01:45:19.760 the work ethic. Alex was instrumental in that because he 2291 01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:22.720 was the oldest and he was the biggest. And to 2292 01:45:22.800 --> 01:45:24.199 argue with how he beat the shit out of you, 2293 01:45:24.399 --> 01:45:26.159 He's gonna get his way. I mean, he ran that 2294 01:45:26.920 --> 01:45:27.560 and you. 2295 01:45:27.520 --> 01:45:31.039 Know that's all. They didn't didn't rely on talent. They 2296 01:45:31.159 --> 01:45:33.159 just worked their ass off, you know, they didn't just 2297 01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:34.960 expect things to come to them because that he was 2298 01:45:35.039 --> 01:45:35.520 saving their. 2299 01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:37.840 Money like that. I mean, it was like they he 2300 01:45:37.960 --> 01:45:40.680 utilized every They were made about one hundred bucks a week, 2301 01:45:41.439 --> 01:45:43.800 which in those days was as much as the kid 2302 01:45:43.800 --> 01:45:47.560 could make. And any job as you got paid. If 2303 01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:49.560 my dad was a police charger got paid one thousand 2304 01:45:49.600 --> 01:45:52.159 dollars a month. Now they get paid one hundred and 2305 01:45:52.159 --> 01:45:54.359 thirty five. Into the different world, man, it really is. 2306 01:45:55.600 --> 01:45:58.520 We're growing up in the twenties economic system, watching it 2307 01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:02.399 the ceiling six times. I mean, my parents were alive, 2308 01:46:02.439 --> 01:46:05.680 they'd just go what that hell? Hell? Or what? 2309 01:46:06.239 --> 01:46:08.880 And Terry got a plate in his arm because it 2310 01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:10.439 was in an auto accident. 2311 01:46:11.680 --> 01:46:12.359 When you were a kid. 2312 01:46:12.399 --> 01:46:15.479 Okay, top ound fracture, the humors. Yeah, we were driving 2313 01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:18.239 in uh only about two bunchs of the technology. They 2314 01:46:18.239 --> 01:46:20.640 had to fuse bone again. Yeah, because they couldn't do it. 2315 01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:23.039 And I'm driving with him and he goes, oh, there's 2316 01:46:23.039 --> 01:46:25.520 see that tree right there, that big gouge in the tree. 2317 01:46:26.079 --> 01:46:29.159 So I did that. We weren't. I knew he was 2318 01:46:29.159 --> 01:46:29.800 in the accident. 2319 01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:33.600 It was right there. The scourge of World War two ostiomyolagnis, 2320 01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:35.520 which means if you got a shot through a bone, 2321 01:46:36.279 --> 01:46:39.239 they couldn't use the marrow together, it'll kill you. If 2322 01:46:39.239 --> 01:46:41.960 the marrow touch got outside that we're the firsteine part 2323 01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:45.399 of your flesh is you'd lose the arm. So I 2324 01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:46.279 almost lost the arm. 2325 01:46:46.399 --> 01:46:48.319 I was just say, you almost had like a like 2326 01:46:48.359 --> 01:46:49.720 a Rick Allen situation. 2327 01:46:50.079 --> 01:46:53.399 And his dad was a police officer, like you said, 2328 01:46:53.439 --> 01:46:55.359 and his dad didn't you say his. 2329 01:46:55.319 --> 01:46:56.920 Car and we were in My aunt was trying and 2330 01:46:56.960 --> 01:46:59.000 you didn't know it was his own kids landing his own. 2331 01:46:59.199 --> 01:47:02.439 He comes to the as to his father, and there. 2332 01:47:01.720 --> 01:47:03.880 Was the bad because he's got the spring in the 2333 01:47:03.920 --> 01:47:06.920 seat cut news, He've got my cousin nineties stchens. I 2334 01:47:07.039 --> 01:47:08.880 was thrown out of the car and we were all 2335 01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:11.319 stripped naked down their naked. He ripped our shoes off. 2336 01:47:11.439 --> 01:47:13.560 Yeah one one lady was the real bad I thought 2337 01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:14.920 that happened, that riped your clothes on us. 2338 01:47:15.079 --> 01:47:16.920 Lady was at a bus stop and her. 2339 01:47:16.760 --> 01:47:20.279 Daughter crushed or glossed both of her legs and grandma 2340 01:47:20.399 --> 01:47:22.159 lost her leg rather the spy woke up next to 2341 01:47:22.159 --> 01:47:22.520 her foot. 2342 01:47:22.560 --> 01:47:24.800 I went, man, he was just a little boy. 2343 01:47:25.079 --> 01:47:29.119 I think it was a nineteen sixty three wow wow. 2344 01:47:29.239 --> 01:47:32.479 You know it came back but and and didn't have 2345 01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:36.720 any he never had any. He was probably the fastest 2346 01:47:36.800 --> 01:47:39.079 runner I've ever seen at phs. He had one hundred 2347 01:47:39.159 --> 01:47:41.039 yard dash of like nine and a half seconds. 2348 01:47:41.079 --> 01:47:42.800 He could get really, but. 2349 01:47:42.880 --> 01:47:45.560 His hips from jumping off those the drum risers and 2350 01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:49.199 ship they're a shot. I mean he he had to 2351 01:47:49.239 --> 01:47:52.119 come down in the golf cart last time I saw him. 2352 01:47:52.399 --> 01:47:54.279 And you know, you drive a golf cart down to 2353 01:47:54.319 --> 01:47:56.720 the driveway and cold water gang because it couldn't walk. 2354 01:47:56.760 --> 01:47:58.319 It really couldn't walk that well, you know. 2355 01:47:59.520 --> 01:48:03.680 That was the famous thing Dave told Eddy Eddie at 2356 01:48:03.680 --> 01:48:06.399 the ninety six m TV Video Awards Eddie's like, the 2357 01:48:06.479 --> 01:48:08.319 press is like, what's god, what happened next? You're gonna 2358 01:48:08.319 --> 01:48:09.800 make an album? He'sa liked, Oh I gotta get my 2359 01:48:09.920 --> 01:48:14.119 hip replaced. And apparently Dave was like, tonight's about me. 2360 01:48:14.239 --> 01:48:15.199 That's your fucking hip. 2361 01:48:18.479 --> 01:48:19.760 That's the thing. 2362 01:48:19.920 --> 01:48:22.079 Oh good, you want. 2363 01:48:21.920 --> 01:48:24.960 To rub ever the wrong way? Oh my god. I've 2364 01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:27.319 seen him look like think he's gonna kill him right 2365 01:48:27.359 --> 01:48:29.399 in front of me. He tried to get back in 2366 01:48:29.439 --> 01:48:32.079 the game for years. They said, don't even bother calling here, 2367 01:48:33.239 --> 01:48:36.800 and it was you know, they came follow themselves. I mean, 2368 01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:38.239 the only thing I don't like that. I think it 2369 01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:40.640 was a low character to put Michael into a ploy. 2370 01:48:41.840 --> 01:48:43.640 He was an integral part of that band. 2371 01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:45.520 Well what do you think that brought him back? Was 2372 01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:48.359 it Wolfgang? That ultimately was the reason he Dave came back. 2373 01:48:48.600 --> 01:48:49.279 That's the story. 2374 01:48:49.399 --> 01:48:53.239 Well, he wanted to play with Wolfgang, and Mike understood that. 2375 01:48:53.279 --> 01:48:55.359 But the Wolfgang called David. 2376 01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:57.800 But I wouldn't want to play drums in my group. 2377 01:48:58.199 --> 01:48:59.880 And I played with my son all the time. 2378 01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:03.000 For kids your musical, you know, if you haven't given 2379 01:49:03.079 --> 01:49:03.680 a different thing. 2380 01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:04.600 Yeah, Well, my. 2381 01:49:04.560 --> 01:49:08.199 Son's a songwriter, so he plays with me. Yeah, so 2382 01:49:08.279 --> 01:49:08.960 we can play that. 2383 01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:11.199 We just played Friday like the Calcil. 2384 01:49:11.239 --> 01:49:14.119 Saturday we played a musical, the Music Festival and Big Bear. 2385 01:49:14.680 --> 01:49:17.319 So we're up all the time playing and then I'm 2386 01:49:17.319 --> 01:49:18.479 in the studio constantly. 2387 01:49:18.520 --> 01:49:20.720 Then Sunday we were in the studio. You didn't come 2388 01:49:20.760 --> 01:49:22.880 to that session, No nothing, It's. 2389 01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:27.359 Only two hours. I like to go in and do something. Yeah. 2390 01:49:27.520 --> 01:49:30.359 Well, you know, sometimes he makes it, sometimes he doesn't. 2391 01:49:30.439 --> 01:49:33.359 That's fine, but he always hears everything to make. 2392 01:49:33.199 --> 01:49:34.920 Sure that we're doing well. 2393 01:49:34.960 --> 01:49:36.479 I've kind of let things go the way they are 2394 01:49:36.479 --> 01:49:38.079 because sounds good. Well, I don't want to try to 2395 01:49:38.079 --> 01:49:41.119 put too much of the trust me now, but you don't. 2396 01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:42.800 You don't want to put too much of yourself, even 2397 01:49:42.800 --> 01:49:47.239 in your own recordings, because it gets kind of tunnel vision. 2398 01:49:47.239 --> 01:49:50.399 I don't know, playing with multiple music, I don't think 2399 01:49:50.399 --> 01:49:52.439 i'd like that. Zepp as much of our plant wasn't 2400 01:49:52.439 --> 01:49:55.199 saying any John Paul Jones Wood playing bass, I mean 2401 01:49:55.239 --> 01:49:58.239 either who that was the magic the different the different 2402 01:49:58.239 --> 01:50:01.600 players Now, it's like, you know, the guys I like 2403 01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:04.159 to play with. I spent two years getting James to 2404 01:50:04.199 --> 01:50:07.439 play bass for me, and it's all burned up. Get 2405 01:50:07.479 --> 01:50:09.079 I should have got the hard drives out because that's 2406 01:50:09.079 --> 01:50:12.399 where everything was ark going. Oh that's right, every sucking 2407 01:50:12.479 --> 01:50:16.720 thing I ever did is gone. What happened? 2408 01:50:16.760 --> 01:50:21.039 Like home insurance people are wondering, like they didn't they 2409 01:50:21.039 --> 01:50:21.560 help you out? 2410 01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:25.920 Well, I've got a three million dollar lawsuit going. But 2411 01:50:25.960 --> 01:50:31.439 the thing is you told the companies for historically pay 2412 01:50:31.520 --> 01:50:33.800 less get out of it. The bigger the corporation, the 2413 01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:36.800 more money they have a monopoly that you know. They 2414 01:50:36.960 --> 01:50:40.760 made four point eight billion dollars this last quarter and 2415 01:50:40.800 --> 01:50:43.720 this is all about keeping their stareholders. But they were 2416 01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:46.920 told to move the towers in nineteen seventy one and 2417 01:50:46.920 --> 01:50:50.520 they refuse to do so. So it's negligence which puts me. 2418 01:50:51.319 --> 01:50:53.720 And I lost my insurance three weeks before that because 2419 01:50:53.720 --> 01:50:56.520 a fair plan you haven't Newsom just ran all the 2420 01:50:56.560 --> 01:50:59.960 insurance companies out. Nobody would cover me. All State north 2421 01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:03.199 Brook was my company. They canceled my auto, they canceled everything. 2422 01:51:03.520 --> 01:51:05.199 They put me on a fair plan list. Or here 2423 01:51:05.199 --> 01:51:05.840 I'm going. 2424 01:51:06.039 --> 01:51:10.760 Months before the fire. 2425 01:51:11.319 --> 01:51:12.760 So it's kind of it's the same thing all the 2426 01:51:12.760 --> 01:51:15.359 way up the slope and I was it's so close 2427 01:51:15.359 --> 01:51:17.319 to the mountains, said it turned a fair plan all 2428 01:51:17.359 --> 01:51:17.720 up there. 2429 01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:20.319 Yeah, and Terry and I are probably how far are 2430 01:51:20.359 --> 01:51:25.720 we each other, maybe two miles thick whatever, Yeah. 2431 01:51:25.439 --> 01:51:28.159 And so we're both the fire was here right, this 2432 01:51:28.279 --> 01:51:30.560 place is here it yeah, the wed blew it over 2433 01:51:30.800 --> 01:51:32.119 ninety miles an hour. Yeah. 2434 01:51:32.119 --> 01:51:33.920 So if you look this way, like this is the 2435 01:51:33.920 --> 01:51:35.239 big window right there. 2436 01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:38.840 So out that window the you know, I'm standing with 2437 01:51:38.880 --> 01:51:41.680 my daughter looking at the flames coming our way, and 2438 01:51:41.720 --> 01:51:43.600 I'm like, we got to get all the animals out. 2439 01:51:43.680 --> 01:51:46.720 I started packing up the guitars, putting moving all the cars, 2440 01:51:46.800 --> 01:51:48.319 you know, and lived up there my whole life. 2441 01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:49.479 I've never seen anything like this. 2442 01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:52.640 So the whole time, we have electricity and water. He's 2443 01:51:52.680 --> 01:51:58.000 in Altadenas five miles away. Say the same, I'm closer. 2444 01:51:57.680 --> 01:51:59.359 To the mountain you than you are. 2445 01:51:59.399 --> 01:52:03.640 And then the wind suddenly changed position and went towards 2446 01:52:03.680 --> 01:52:06.600 Alasadena and we said, prayer, I don't know. 2447 01:52:06.520 --> 01:52:09.159 If that was five streets off the National Forest, each 2448 01:52:09.159 --> 01:52:10.640 street would go every ten minutes. 2449 01:52:10.760 --> 01:52:13.119 Yes, And I put two blocks from the mountain and 2450 01:52:13.199 --> 01:52:14.520 he's five streets from it. 2451 01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:18.000 And so when blew right over the Meridium her my neighborhood, 2452 01:52:18.039 --> 01:52:20.199 and that turned around and came due south of eighty 2453 01:52:20.239 --> 01:52:22.960 miles an hour. Yeah, he had fires form. It was 2454 01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:23.800 like being bombed. 2455 01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:25.439 Christy had missed your house. 2456 01:52:25.880 --> 01:52:28.640 It turned away from Sierra Madre and went to But 2457 01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:32.119 the ironic thing is he has no power at six. 2458 01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:34.640 In the evening and then they turn off the water. 2459 01:52:35.239 --> 01:52:37.640 And here I'm at Sierra Madre and I got water 2460 01:52:37.760 --> 01:52:39.279 and power. Why would they shut up? 2461 01:52:39.359 --> 01:52:43.119 We had a recording of the police chief calling Edison, going, 2462 01:52:43.640 --> 01:52:47.119 tell your boss to turn the grid off. So he's 2463 01:52:47.119 --> 01:52:48.920 not going to be in until nine am in the morning. 2464 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:50.319 Well it was over by then. 2465 01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:53.840 Yeah, I got to notice that my insurance was going 2466 01:52:53.920 --> 01:52:54.439 to be canceled. 2467 01:52:54.520 --> 01:52:56.800 His was already canceled, and so then we have to 2468 01:52:56.800 --> 01:52:59.319 go on the fair plan, which is double the amount 2469 01:52:59.479 --> 01:53:03.319 of money that you're paying or triple the regular insurance company. 2470 01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:05.600 Well, I have wondervranage. My in laws went to school 2471 01:53:05.600 --> 01:53:08.000 with my attornity Michael watching. He's one of the he's 2472 01:53:08.039 --> 01:53:10.680 a guy that got the money out of Lohaina. And 2473 01:53:11.039 --> 01:53:14.680 now they can't they can't delay it much longer, you know, Yeah, 2474 01:53:14.680 --> 01:53:16.279 because what they do is they delay it till so 2475 01:53:16.359 --> 01:53:19.399 many people are dying. And it was an old neighborhood 2476 01:53:19.399 --> 01:53:22.520 that they didn't pay a lot of taxes with grandfather's named. 2477 01:53:22.359 --> 01:53:23.359 Gerald Holmes, you know. 2478 01:53:23.479 --> 01:53:25.920 And it was out. 2479 01:53:26.039 --> 01:53:28.840 You got out around four a m. Right is that I. 2480 01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:31.600 Slept at four twenty one and I was literally covered 2481 01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:34.039 with soot. There was no more oxygen. I couldn't breathe. 2482 01:53:34.319 --> 01:53:37.000 I had to go. I got the last loads in 2483 01:53:37.039 --> 01:53:39.439 the car. I left my most valuable stuff. I couldn't 2484 01:53:39.439 --> 01:53:39.920 get it back in the. 2485 01:53:39.920 --> 01:53:42.680 Ap and I took everything that I could, all my pictures, 2486 01:53:42.720 --> 01:53:45.119 all my guitars, all my animals, and I moved all 2487 01:53:45.159 --> 01:53:49.159 the cars down and because I was thinking something could happen. 2488 01:53:49.239 --> 01:53:51.439 And then I took the r V which we take 2489 01:53:52.199 --> 01:53:53.640 to gigs and. 2490 01:53:53.680 --> 01:53:56.840 We say life. So we evacuated old woman down the Spirit. 2491 01:53:56.880 --> 01:53:59.399 I went down and insisted she get out. Yeah, because 2492 01:53:59.439 --> 01:54:00.920 my cats like to get my cat. They said, the 2493 01:54:00.960 --> 01:54:02.880 hell with your cat. You're not going to live through this. 2494 01:54:03.039 --> 01:54:03.760 It was that bad. 2495 01:54:03.880 --> 01:54:05.880 She had to leave immediately. The house went out. 2496 01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:07.920 She lives in Connecticut now too, what you call me goes. 2497 01:54:07.920 --> 01:54:09.560 Thank you you saved my life. 2498 01:54:09.960 --> 01:54:12.840 Her poor cats died, But yeah, she was out. 2499 01:54:12.880 --> 01:54:16.279 We do here because she's a sixty three playboy centerfold. 2500 01:54:17.039 --> 01:54:21.880 Was okay, forward and she lives in Connecticut. Now she 2501 01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:22.720 lives in Connecticut. 2502 01:54:22.760 --> 01:54:25.600 Now, yeah, she loves it up there. 2503 01:54:25.960 --> 01:54:29.319 So yeah, and then your mom's ashes, right is. 2504 01:54:29.279 --> 01:54:31.880 That to get anything out the studio? It was so funny. 2505 01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:33.960 I mean, I had an old fifties of keeping marriage. 2506 01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:36.199 Still it looked like I'd been sodo mind in prison. 2507 01:54:36.560 --> 01:54:40.039 It was better, right, and all the new appliances were 2508 01:54:40.079 --> 01:54:44.359 all made out of that plactic deposit. They weren't there nothing. 2509 01:54:45.159 --> 01:54:47.680 It was just an empty lot with JPL came up 2510 01:54:47.840 --> 01:54:51.000 because the neighbors a JPL employees. They measured the twenty 2511 01:54:51.039 --> 01:54:51.880 one hundred degrees. 2512 01:54:52.199 --> 01:54:54.800 Yeah, so you have to remember we live right by Natha. 2513 01:54:54.840 --> 01:54:59.039 I used to work there. JPL Jeff proposed didn't burn. Now, 2514 01:54:59.079 --> 01:55:01.319 had it burned, it would have been so toxic. 2515 01:55:01.960 --> 01:55:04.319 No, they'd have been a crater about a mile away there. 2516 01:55:04.920 --> 01:55:07.880 It would have been so detrimental to the whole area. 2517 01:55:07.960 --> 01:55:09.039 But it didn't get touched. 2518 01:55:09.039 --> 01:55:11.479 All that house. They made sure it did got safe. 2519 01:55:11.760 --> 01:55:14.319 And it's ironic, you know what I mean, It's really weird. 2520 01:55:14.520 --> 01:55:17.119 I've never seen a whole city though. When I remember 2521 01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:19.880 the Oakland fire when I was a kid, nothing better 2522 01:55:19.880 --> 01:55:20.880 of this the whole. 2523 01:55:21.800 --> 01:55:25.159 In that video, there's a shot overhead of all the holts. 2524 01:55:25.960 --> 01:55:29.239 Yeah, yeah, don't forget you're talking about the mountains way 2525 01:55:29.319 --> 01:55:32.439 up here, and you got blocks and blocks. 2526 01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:36.560 Way down and Washington Bulow Arc, you know, like, Yeah, 2527 01:55:36.880 --> 01:55:39.600 it was like we have apartments and the tenants were 2528 01:55:39.600 --> 01:55:40.800 calling me saying should we leave it. 2529 01:55:40.800 --> 01:55:42.760 A Michael, It was a quirky thing. You look at 2530 01:55:42.760 --> 01:55:44.479 one house ago, how the hell did this thing survive? 2531 01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:45.680 And everything around? 2532 01:55:46.239 --> 01:55:48.119 But they were right, the tenants they. 2533 01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:49.479 Were bombing run. 2534 01:55:49.600 --> 01:55:51.039 The fire was coming down so far. 2535 01:55:51.279 --> 01:55:53.159 It struck me as like it wouldn't be like a fire. 2536 01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:55.680 It was like a bombing. It was. It was almost 2537 01:55:55.960 --> 01:55:59.279 because I just literally melted everything, the wheels melted on 2538 01:55:59.319 --> 01:55:59.640 the car. 2539 01:56:00.039 --> 01:56:02.319 Yeah. The next day we went driving around and then 2540 01:56:02.359 --> 01:56:03.479 it looked like a movie set. 2541 01:56:03.520 --> 01:56:05.760 There was just fire, like they left all the gas 2542 01:56:05.760 --> 01:56:08.079 on and all the gas was just burning and the. 2543 01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:09.840 Cars and they played the gas cup. They had not 2544 01:56:09.920 --> 01:56:10.439 to do with it. 2545 01:56:10.960 --> 01:56:13.840 It was crazy, Terry, are you just are you in shock? 2546 01:56:13.960 --> 01:56:16.199 Like the next day, I mean, what's mostly. 2547 01:56:17.319 --> 01:56:20.000 Basket page? For about four months my in laws took 2548 01:56:20.039 --> 01:56:21.920 care of me. I think he still gave me a 2549 01:56:22.000 --> 01:56:24.000 room there, and I just kind of recuperated, and then 2550 01:56:24.039 --> 01:56:25.920 all of a sudden things started to click. 2551 01:56:26.279 --> 01:56:26.479 Yeah. 2552 01:56:26.840 --> 01:56:28.119 I figured I got to get out of here. I 2553 01:56:28.119 --> 01:56:31.920 can't live off these people. So the Mormons donated a 2554 01:56:32.399 --> 01:56:34.760 RV to me, not a bad one, and I put 2555 01:56:34.840 --> 01:56:37.760 solar power in it and turned off grid because I'm 2556 01:56:37.760 --> 01:56:39.359 not going to give Edison any more money. 2557 01:56:39.439 --> 01:56:42.039 They wanted him to pay to hook up electricy. 2558 01:56:42.119 --> 01:56:43.640 They want like nine hundred dollars to put a line, 2559 01:56:43.720 --> 01:56:46.239 and I'm going, you guys burned my whole world down 2560 01:56:46.319 --> 01:56:47.680 and you want nine hundred bucks. 2561 01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:50.279 Yeah. And then you and I met what one month 2562 01:56:50.319 --> 01:56:51.399 after the fire. 2563 01:56:52.399 --> 01:56:55.800 Was one month? No, I think it was, yeah, Yeah. 2564 01:56:55.920 --> 01:56:57.880 And then he never would come out of his house 2565 01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:00.600 very often. He was kind of a guy that just yeah. 2566 01:57:00.840 --> 01:57:04.000 And so it was funny that had the fire not come, 2567 01:57:04.159 --> 01:57:05.119 you and I wouldn't have met. 2568 01:57:05.239 --> 01:57:08.319 No, I wouldn't be the clubs I got bored playing again. 2569 01:57:08.720 --> 01:57:11.000 Yeah, that's the feeling, the feeling I get, like, that's 2570 01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:14.399 the vibe, like like Christie, like you you you met 2571 01:57:14.479 --> 01:57:18.479 him like here here that there's a reason that you came. 2572 01:57:18.359 --> 01:57:18.960 Into his life. 2573 01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:22.159 Oh, we both there's something. Yeah, there's something in the 2574 01:57:22.760 --> 01:57:26.720 underlying that. You know it's right, it's true, big picture 2575 01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:28.399 stuff to read any. 2576 01:57:28.279 --> 01:57:29.479 Think it's because we didn't try. 2577 01:57:29.800 --> 01:57:32.479 Yeah, And the funny thing is we're only twelve years 2578 01:57:32.479 --> 01:57:33.800 apart in age. We're not that. 2579 01:57:34.239 --> 01:57:36.760 Like twelve years I'll think I'd like that, but twelve back, 2580 01:57:36.800 --> 01:57:38.319 I'll think that we're not. 2581 01:57:38.600 --> 01:57:39.479 We're off an age. 2582 01:57:39.600 --> 01:57:42.920 But but it's interesting because his generation does feel different, 2583 01:57:43.039 --> 01:57:45.039 but we ran in the same circles more or less. 2584 01:57:45.079 --> 01:57:46.680 You know where I come out of it. You know 2585 01:57:46.720 --> 01:57:50.159 what you do stupid ship, you get stupid prizes, And 2586 01:57:50.239 --> 01:57:53.399 I got tired of stupid pride. I mean, it's like playing. 2587 01:57:53.439 --> 01:57:56.399 It's like you, No, nothing that you get out there 2588 01:57:56.479 --> 01:57:58.880 is going to be permanent. It's going to be this 2589 01:57:59.039 --> 01:58:01.000 is the way it changed horse into this or that. 2590 01:58:01.439 --> 01:58:03.880 But roller can put that out there. It kind of 2591 01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:04.560 is permanent. 2592 01:58:05.159 --> 01:58:06.399 You got to give them something. I think you have 2593 01:58:06.520 --> 01:58:08.399 to give people something that's like they can hang on 2594 01:58:08.479 --> 01:58:12.239 to mentally, something that sticks in their head. Well, I agree, 2595 01:58:12.319 --> 01:58:13.680 that's what I'm trying about. 2596 01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:14.520 He's always looking. 2597 01:58:14.760 --> 01:58:17.119 I love it because he's always looking for the next 2598 01:58:17.279 --> 01:58:18.600 thing that moves him. 2599 01:58:18.800 --> 01:58:21.720 And but he but I never discount the stuff that's 2600 01:58:21.720 --> 01:58:24.239 already there. I'm like, you know what, I'm. 2601 01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:28.000 Right like the deep tracks if you follow my case, 2602 01:58:28.039 --> 01:58:31.000 pretty hey, yeah, you wrote all Joe Burn went around there, 2603 01:58:31.039 --> 01:58:32.199 you went around the bend again. 2604 01:58:32.279 --> 01:58:34.119 Yeah, but you wrote all the tracks that are that 2605 01:58:34.199 --> 01:58:36.880 we're working on, so you're you know, there's not none 2606 01:58:36.920 --> 01:58:37.439 of my A. 2607 01:58:37.439 --> 01:58:39.279 Lot of people write some of the lyrics. I write 2608 01:58:39.560 --> 01:58:41.760 the song's got a movie before the lyrics. Let me too. 2609 01:58:42.479 --> 01:58:44.800 I have the music person, then I put the lyrics. 2610 01:58:44.920 --> 01:58:48.479 But you know my, uh well, I don't remember. 2611 01:58:48.600 --> 01:58:51.239 I think it's all been done so much that we 2612 01:58:51.279 --> 01:58:53.520 have to honest, Like, you know, Alan holwork was a 2613 01:58:53.560 --> 01:58:55.359 big influence on me. He's what it does all the 2614 01:58:55.439 --> 01:58:56.560 John Carpenter movies. 2615 01:58:57.399 --> 01:59:02.520 Yes, oh yeah, man, it's the opening scene to Halloween. 2616 01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:05.319 Four is one of my favorite musical movie moments. 2617 01:59:06.159 --> 01:59:08.359 Ay good. You know he believes in four forty two 2618 01:59:08.359 --> 01:59:10.319 and I do too. I mean, it's just a nicer 2619 01:59:10.880 --> 01:59:13.880 four forty irritates me. If I listened to it a 2620 01:59:13.920 --> 01:59:17.640 long time, it irritates me. I started to go like 2621 01:59:17.680 --> 01:59:20.119 that pitch four forty two is like more than natural 2622 01:59:20.239 --> 01:59:22.960 rhythm of the universe. I can hear it when you're 2623 01:59:23.039 --> 01:59:24.359 just in school, you know what I mean. I went 2624 01:59:24.399 --> 01:59:26.720 to the same school Pev Herbert went, dude, rather. 2625 01:59:27.399 --> 01:59:32.159 Get out where should people go to get the update 2626 01:59:32.199 --> 01:59:33.880 on the album? And they should go to the website? 2627 01:59:33.960 --> 01:59:37.159 Right Well, I'm going to start putting things up on Spotify. 2628 01:59:37.439 --> 01:59:39.600 I've just been so busy doing all the things that 2629 01:59:39.600 --> 01:59:43.159 we're doing, promoting and digging, and in the studio I. 2630 01:59:43.560 --> 01:59:45.279 Talked shit about it. I'd rather put it out let 2631 01:59:45.399 --> 01:59:46.199 speak for itself. 2632 01:59:46.239 --> 01:59:49.079 You know, well, yeah, you got watch where they're going 2633 01:59:49.119 --> 01:59:50.479 to get it, right, Yeah, but you have. 2634 01:59:50.399 --> 01:59:52.680 To have something to give them because I want to help. 2635 01:59:52.800 --> 01:59:54.000 I want to help get the word out. 2636 01:59:54.279 --> 01:59:57.439 Thank you, Thank you so much. Every release that we 2637 01:59:57.479 --> 01:59:59.680 have to dated tube right now is where I. 2638 01:59:59.640 --> 02:00:02.760 Put a up most quickly, but definitely once I get 2639 02:00:02.760 --> 02:00:04.159 it because I work. 2640 02:00:04.039 --> 02:00:07.520 With one company that helps promote it. Websites are places 2641 02:00:07.560 --> 02:00:11.119 that things will be updated. I have a Facebook. 2642 02:00:10.560 --> 02:00:17.199 Page, Instagram that gets updated regularly, and then also the 2643 02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:21.319 channel for YouTube, and then we'll start doing you know, 2644 02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:23.560 Spotify and all that kind of stuff as well. 2645 02:00:23.880 --> 02:00:26.720 So let's wind down with books here, because obviously this 2646 02:00:26.760 --> 02:00:29.039 podcast is it's booked on rock, so we focus on 2647 02:00:29.119 --> 02:00:31.439 rock and roll books. So what any music books that 2648 02:00:31.680 --> 02:00:34.079 have meant a lot to you? 2649 02:00:34.840 --> 02:00:37.079 I read Hammered to Gods. I read me Alice. I 2650 02:00:37.079 --> 02:00:39.840 thought Alice Cooper's one was interesting because he had a 2651 02:00:39.840 --> 02:00:42.600 lot of good narrative in how you know Chef Gordon 2652 02:00:42.640 --> 02:00:44.920 came into the Cheetah Club and they were so bad 2653 02:00:44.960 --> 02:00:47.000 that they cleared the whole club out like ten minutes. 2654 02:00:47.640 --> 02:00:49.079 He came, goes, I want to manage your guys, and 2655 02:00:49.159 --> 02:00:51.560 there was anybody clear out of auditorium quick. 2656 02:00:52.359 --> 02:00:53.560 I think that's how a print down. 2657 02:00:54.279 --> 02:00:55.960 I like up and Down with the Rolling Stones, but 2658 02:00:56.000 --> 02:01:00.880 that was mainly kind of he was down. Yeah, you know, 2659 02:01:01.279 --> 02:01:03.479 Heroin and coke and all that kind of nonsense. 2660 02:01:03.520 --> 02:01:05.479 That was a good book, though, I thought, well. 2661 02:01:05.880 --> 02:01:08.560 It showed you. It showed how Keith Richards was. When 2662 02:01:08.560 --> 02:01:11.479 Bobby Keys is odd, he said, fucking god, am I 2663 02:01:11.520 --> 02:01:13.319 going to give you any of mine? You know? 2664 02:01:13.800 --> 02:01:15.439 And I just got the Keith Richards but but I 2665 02:01:15.479 --> 02:01:16.279 haven't read it yet. 2666 02:01:16.399 --> 02:01:19.119 The Who Who had a good one, but together they're 2667 02:01:19.199 --> 02:01:23.319 so crazy, I mean the one the band. Some of 2668 02:01:23.319 --> 02:01:26.079 the English bands were so flambuollyant. I mean, how the 2669 02:01:26.159 --> 02:01:29.600 hell did The Who survive? And kitt language that if 2670 02:01:29.640 --> 02:01:32.000 they kept destroying gear, they're going to go back. They 2671 02:01:32.039 --> 02:01:35.000 went bank up the first tour they did, and then 2672 02:01:35.039 --> 02:01:39.159 you know, then Roger punched Pete Douc and the vocals 2673 02:01:39.159 --> 02:01:42.039 are loud up on quadraphedia and ship like that. I 2674 02:01:42.079 --> 02:01:44.399 was interestowing all that stuff, but a lot of it 2675 02:01:44.439 --> 02:01:47.720 was whoy You know that was written by the authors 2676 02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:51.000 that either had an antagonistic view of the of the 2677 02:01:51.039 --> 02:01:51.920 players and stuff. 2678 02:01:51.960 --> 02:01:55.000 You know, I mean that well, the Keith Richards book, 2679 02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:57.920 because that that was like that brought on a resurgence 2680 02:01:58.119 --> 02:02:03.239 of rock and roll books memoirs. Now, yeah, so many. 2681 02:02:03.600 --> 02:02:05.720 I read Dave's book, David Lee's book. 2682 02:02:06.520 --> 02:02:10.439 Yeah, that was one time. And my name's a way 2683 02:02:10.479 --> 02:02:12.319 in the back of the index. Alex meant to me 2684 02:02:12.359 --> 02:02:13.479 in his book one time. 2685 02:02:13.680 --> 02:02:14.359 Did you read that? 2686 02:02:15.119 --> 02:02:18.319 Yeah? I read I. I had an autographed copy of it. 2687 02:02:18.520 --> 02:02:22.159 Oh it's more of as I like the mumbers at 2688 02:02:22.159 --> 02:02:23.640 the girl in the tag he goes, my mom really 2689 02:02:23.680 --> 02:02:26.800 don't how to pack of lunch. He'd find some funny ship. 2690 02:02:26.880 --> 02:02:29.199 But I've seen him make such a path of himself, 2691 02:02:29.279 --> 02:02:32.000 like with with Robin Williams and Jay Leno or the 2692 02:02:32.079 --> 02:02:34.920 two best improv guys that business. He really stepped it 2693 02:02:35.000 --> 02:02:35.479 at that night. 2694 02:02:36.800 --> 02:02:38.720 That was surreal. That's ninety five. 2695 02:02:39.239 --> 02:02:41.479 That was he played with me when you do Las 2696 02:02:41.560 --> 02:02:44.359 Vegas and then got fired in Las Vegas. I mean 2697 02:02:44.479 --> 02:02:46.640 it was like he had a residency there and she said, 2698 02:02:46.680 --> 02:02:48.880 we don't want you anymore. Yeah, had a way I 2699 02:02:49.000 --> 02:02:50.359 kind of shooting yourself in the front. 2700 02:02:50.439 --> 02:02:52.760 I think, like, what about that theory of you know, 2701 02:02:53.039 --> 02:02:54.479 there is no bad publicity? 2702 02:02:54.720 --> 02:02:55.600 Did that work for him? 2703 02:02:55.720 --> 02:02:56.199 Such things? 2704 02:02:57.000 --> 02:02:58.119 There's bad publicity? 2705 02:02:58.880 --> 02:03:00.319 Well, you were with him? Are on the time he 2706 02:03:00.399 --> 02:03:03.399 got busted for pot in New York City right with it? 2707 02:03:03.800 --> 02:03:04.840 Spring of ninety. 2708 02:03:04.640 --> 02:03:07.720 Four, got mad at me for getting drunk in Sammy's 2709 02:03:07.760 --> 02:03:09.479 Romainian restaurant, and he goes and gets the butt to 2710 02:03:09.520 --> 02:03:12.279 the next day, I score a joint down in the 2711 02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:16.520 Grammar Street Park. We you know, drive around the city 2712 02:03:16.560 --> 02:03:18.960 on bicycles. Goes, you know what he goes. He hung 2713 02:03:19.039 --> 02:03:21.680 four thousand people on that tree. Said I want to 2714 02:03:21.680 --> 02:03:23.159 wear a guitar. Would sound like if you made it 2715 02:03:23.199 --> 02:03:24.560 from the wood? I said, I don't think it would 2716 02:03:24.560 --> 02:03:30.600 make any difference. He paid a well, well, hu's way 2717 02:03:30.640 --> 02:03:31.760 to go to a record there. 2718 02:03:31.840 --> 02:03:34.680 You know, you should write a book about your I could. 2719 02:03:35.359 --> 02:03:38.000 Yeah, I know more than I should. And I'll tell 2720 02:03:38.039 --> 02:03:41.000 you that I watched. I liked watch watching. You know, 2721 02:03:41.600 --> 02:03:45.159 I remember introducing Edward to Norman Harris. Norman had all 2722 02:03:45.199 --> 02:03:49.159 the guitars right, Norm's rare guitars. Him and George controlled 2723 02:03:49.199 --> 02:03:52.680 the world market, and Norman started out in Florida selling 2724 02:03:53.119 --> 02:03:56.159 Sunburst left balls for four and fifty dollars. And I 2725 02:03:56.479 --> 02:03:58.560 at the point when I got Edward does two fifty 2726 02:03:58.680 --> 02:04:02.520 nine eleven, five hundred for both of them, and then 2727 02:04:02.640 --> 02:04:04.239 he took the pickups out of him and he gave 2728 02:04:04.279 --> 02:04:06.399 him back in Norm about twenty years LATERCS and normals, 2729 02:04:06.399 --> 02:04:08.199 I don't want him because I'd give you a half 2730 02:04:08.239 --> 02:04:10.880 a million for him. You took the pickups out of him, 2731 02:04:12.479 --> 02:04:14.000 so you know that was like you had to do 2732 02:04:14.239 --> 02:04:14.640 the stuff. 2733 02:04:15.560 --> 02:04:17.560 If I can help in any way, I could, you know, 2734 02:04:17.680 --> 02:04:20.600 get you some contacts in the publishing business and you know, 2735 02:04:20.640 --> 02:04:22.479 if you were ever interested in them. Mark Kendall's got 2736 02:04:22.520 --> 02:04:27.439 a book coming out from Yeah, wow, man, it'd be great. 2737 02:04:27.479 --> 02:04:29.319 So you got all the stores from the from from 2738 02:04:29.399 --> 02:04:30.800 the days growing. 2739 02:04:30.680 --> 02:04:32.880 Up Dodge of Funny Ship. We used to go out 2740 02:04:32.880 --> 02:04:34.800 on the Marquee at the Trouba door and put all 2741 02:04:34.880 --> 02:04:36.920 kinds of obscene words out there, and Doug wet to 2742 02:04:36.960 --> 02:04:41.000 get so pissed off. Everard was like they think they 2743 02:04:41.079 --> 02:04:43.960 weren't real popular with with the with the with the 2744 02:04:44.079 --> 02:04:48.319 management class. I mean, like I remember Rod Stewart, which 2745 02:04:48.439 --> 02:04:50.319 we were watching a soccer game with you because I 2746 02:04:50.359 --> 02:04:53.000 knew his hairstylist and I went down to the watch 2747 02:04:53.039 --> 02:04:54.760 him playing, and he goes, hey, this guy knows Van 2748 02:04:54.840 --> 02:04:59.279 Halen and Rod Dribble. They're a bunch of dick Jesus 2749 02:04:59.399 --> 02:05:01.680 correct stuff. Will tell you that he has very short 2750 02:05:01.800 --> 02:05:02.880 arms and long pockets. 2751 02:05:03.479 --> 02:05:07.279 He's been canceling some shows recently. Rod Stewart, Yeah, he's 2752 02:05:07.359 --> 02:05:09.840 just having some issues. On one show he had he 2753 02:05:09.880 --> 02:05:11.760 had to put the thing to get oxygen. In the 2754 02:05:12.119 --> 02:05:14.399 really show, he had to sit down. So I hope 2755 02:05:14.439 --> 02:05:14.880 he's o good. 2756 02:05:16.039 --> 02:05:17.840 That was something that you and I when we met 2757 02:05:18.159 --> 02:05:20.159 that he was one of the best performers out there live. 2758 02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:22.039 He was in his prime nineteen seventy seven. 2759 02:05:22.119 --> 02:05:25.159 They were on them Yes and Faces and working. 2760 02:05:24.960 --> 02:05:26.520 Together were thinking of the faces. 2761 02:05:26.760 --> 02:05:30.920 The sounds like his vocals on it, right, He said, 2762 02:05:31.039 --> 02:05:34.119 how much you do too bad by the faces? Right? 2763 02:05:34.760 --> 02:05:37.079 It's got the big piano intro with Nicky Hopkins. I 2764 02:05:37.159 --> 02:05:39.680 use a guitar senter and assimulating because it's just blocked 2765 02:05:39.720 --> 02:05:43.640 chords and that song. You gotta remember, these guys were 2766 02:05:43.720 --> 02:05:47.239 playing stadiums back in nineteen seventy three. They were a 2767 02:05:47.319 --> 02:05:50.039 stadium band. Ronnie Lade and Hiwak built a four oh 2768 02:05:50.159 --> 02:05:53.159 five FM, a four hundred and five what you know, 2769 02:05:53.880 --> 02:05:57.319 a pad that was just absolutely outside of the envelope. 2770 02:05:57.840 --> 02:06:00.119 I thought he did that because they played stadium if 2771 02:06:00.159 --> 02:06:01.000 they wanted to use one air. 2772 02:06:01.199 --> 02:06:02.279 One of my favorite. 2773 02:06:02.039 --> 02:06:07.960 Fans, well, his his vocals on on Jeff Beck's Truth. Yeah, 2774 02:06:08.359 --> 02:06:10.960 I mean morning do. Oh my god. 2775 02:06:14.000 --> 02:06:16.680 Somebody gave Jeff back a bad time about the Truth 2776 02:06:16.720 --> 02:06:19.000 because the truth is the album. This is the truth 2777 02:06:19.039 --> 02:06:23.079 about this album. Yeah yeah, but I think he was 2778 02:06:23.119 --> 02:06:27.039 most roading a guitar player ever lived. Nobody will ever touch. Yeah, 2779 02:06:27.840 --> 02:06:31.399 he's all by himself then, I mean, he didn't influence 2780 02:06:31.439 --> 02:06:34.880 that many people, but he influenced everybody because you could 2781 02:06:34.920 --> 02:06:36.800 touch the guitar the way he did. It was like 2782 02:06:36.880 --> 02:06:39.720 a goodvining rod for him. I mean he had a 2783 02:06:39.920 --> 02:06:41.479 you know, it sounds like a sad you can make 2784 02:06:41.520 --> 02:06:45.399 it sound like a little sad animal. Yes, he's talking 2785 02:06:45.439 --> 02:06:47.479 to you. You know, he'd play along with little birds 2786 02:06:47.520 --> 02:06:48.039 in his kitchen. 2787 02:06:49.119 --> 02:06:51.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did that on You Had a Coming. 2788 02:06:51.840 --> 02:06:53.520 He's got that one where he's talking to I think 2789 02:06:53.560 --> 02:06:58.319 it's called Blackbird and he's talking to the birds. But 2790 02:06:58.760 --> 02:07:01.359 the other thing I was gonna say is, if you 2791 02:07:01.399 --> 02:07:03.439 get a chance, get that book by Brad and Chris 2792 02:07:03.840 --> 02:07:05.960 blow by Blow. It's it's a really good book. 2793 02:07:06.680 --> 02:07:08.439 Really, I would like to read that. I read that. 2794 02:07:08.600 --> 02:07:12.000 The last one I read that was good was just recently, 2795 02:07:12.119 --> 02:07:15.000 and I wasn't impressed with the writing. I think that 2796 02:07:15.119 --> 02:07:18.960 somebody had a chip on their shoulder about all those books. 2797 02:07:19.439 --> 02:07:21.239 Was not very informative to me. It was kind of 2798 02:07:21.279 --> 02:07:24.119 like closed off. You know. You talked about the people, 2799 02:07:24.159 --> 02:07:26.079 but all the people that really were in their lives 2800 02:07:26.119 --> 02:07:29.119 back then are all dead. They were tightest with the 2801 02:07:29.159 --> 02:07:33.239 Emberson Brobers. They both committed suicide, I mean their own cousins. 2802 02:07:33.840 --> 02:07:36.079 They stole their platinum records. They thought there was real 2803 02:07:36.119 --> 02:07:37.399 platinum in those records. 2804 02:07:37.520 --> 02:07:40.600 I mean, oh yeah, stole them off the wall and 2805 02:07:40.760 --> 02:07:43.079 that the little house there they stole. 2806 02:07:45.640 --> 02:07:48.000 And I got blamed for it. And evergoes he was. 2807 02:07:48.319 --> 02:07:51.439 He was at the forum with me because they invited 2808 02:07:51.479 --> 02:07:54.560 me down to you know, the first couple of tours. Well, 2809 02:07:54.600 --> 02:07:56.960 they said they thought would be I was jealous or something. 2810 02:07:57.039 --> 02:07:59.199 That was no way jealous. I was glad to get 2811 02:07:59.279 --> 02:08:00.920 rid of those fuckers so I could get a gig. 2812 02:08:03.319 --> 02:08:06.159 You got all the good gigs after that, one of 2813 02:08:06.279 --> 02:08:09.600 the last big dog in town. Oh my god, Trouble 2814 02:08:09.760 --> 02:08:12.600 wasn't my My rhythm section was never as good as Alan. Like, 2815 02:08:13.039 --> 02:08:16.880 Al was a great drummer. I stand by. He was 2816 02:08:16.920 --> 02:08:19.119 as much entertainment to watch as ever was because he 2817 02:08:19.239 --> 02:08:22.560 said such attitude, I mean the energy those guys. I 2818 02:08:22.680 --> 02:08:26.800 remember already Agaginian's raceway, you know Askot It was a 2819 02:08:26.840 --> 02:08:29.359 big raceway out here. Already Agagenian would throw parties down 2820 02:08:29.399 --> 02:08:32.119 on Lombard and the huge house that had four acres 2821 02:08:32.159 --> 02:08:35.039 of land, and Al would play, and he jump up 2822 02:08:35.079 --> 02:08:37.880 in those drums and spit and drink, slit them mouth 2823 02:08:37.960 --> 02:08:40.439 and then fight with somebody spared him all night long. 2824 02:08:40.479 --> 02:08:44.159 After the gig. Wow, they did ridiculous ship. I mean 2825 02:08:44.359 --> 02:08:47.560 John Bosco Tech. They said, carry better regret that for 2826 02:08:47.680 --> 02:08:49.239 me and I got over and had a smoke plot 2827 02:08:49.279 --> 02:08:52.000 with about a quarter pound of gunpowder in it. He 2828 02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:53.560 blew me wrap up the stage. I thought it was 2829 02:08:53.600 --> 02:08:56.199 the funniest thing in the rock that you got your asshole. 2830 02:08:57.239 --> 02:08:58.920 And Alex could drive him up next to people on 2831 02:08:58.960 --> 02:09:01.079 the freeway and pull his paint down, Sticky's ants out 2832 02:09:01.119 --> 02:09:04.760 the window and never were driving little secretary driving home 2833 02:09:04.800 --> 02:09:09.439 from work. They like to get a reaction out of people, 2834 02:09:09.520 --> 02:09:09.680 you know. 2835 02:09:10.079 --> 02:09:12.880 But you see, this is this is the book. You've 2836 02:09:13.039 --> 02:09:15.680 got the stories. Man, You gotta look, you gotta definitely 2837 02:09:15.720 --> 02:09:16.199 consider that. 2838 02:09:17.039 --> 02:09:19.920 They played a place called Barnacle Bills and it was 2839 02:09:20.000 --> 02:09:23.720 like something out of the Barbary Coast. I mean, if 2840 02:09:23.760 --> 02:09:26.000 you could get the saliva off the walls and nicotine 2841 02:09:26.039 --> 02:09:28.079 stains on the ceiling where like you could you could 2842 02:09:28.119 --> 02:09:31.479 smoke it right, I'm not a beer that they drank. 2843 02:09:31.560 --> 02:09:34.800 We used to call them edcohol and alcohol because old 2844 02:09:34.800 --> 02:09:36.359 man was all you know, he was. He played down 2845 02:09:36.399 --> 02:09:40.319 at that what is the Dutch to the Danish place 2846 02:09:40.359 --> 02:09:43.520 down in the Hawthorn that's got the uh all the 2847 02:09:43.560 --> 02:09:46.079 European your dad probably went there. All the European people 2848 02:09:46.119 --> 02:09:48.560 went to these pop they played Polka's right, yeah, that's 2849 02:09:48.560 --> 02:09:51.159 where Jan came from. But me and Ev did have 2850 02:09:51.319 --> 02:09:55.520 the edge because we both had grandfathers that were woodwind players. 2851 02:09:56.600 --> 02:09:59.760 And we played John Ackerman, you know, focus, hocus focus, 2852 02:09:59.800 --> 02:10:02.600 cause Akerman was fast and we couldn't figure out what 2853 02:10:02.600 --> 02:10:05.800 he's doing. And Ed's dad goes, it's a backwards diminute scale. 2854 02:10:05.840 --> 02:10:06.720 It's been notated. 2855 02:10:06.760 --> 02:10:09.520 I thought, fuck is that Alpine village? 2856 02:10:09.640 --> 02:10:09.800 Yeah? 2857 02:10:09.840 --> 02:10:13.079 Alpine village. And I was playing in my grandmother's house 2858 02:10:13.119 --> 02:10:15.640 when I was about fourteen, and my grandfather comes in. 2859 02:10:15.840 --> 02:10:18.800 He hadn't played play the Boston orph him and Carnegie 2860 02:10:18.840 --> 02:10:21.680 all for twenty years. What are you playing that Chinese 2861 02:10:21.760 --> 02:10:24.159 music for? You know that Dalian guy that works underworld. 2862 02:10:24.239 --> 02:10:26.479 We have to hear. What do you playing that Chiny 2863 02:10:26.640 --> 02:10:28.960 music for? That's what don't you know what a sharp 2864 02:10:29.000 --> 02:10:32.119 and a flat is? I said, no, Grandpa goes, sit down. 2865 02:10:32.159 --> 02:10:34.079 I'm gonna show yourself. You guys clear. That showed me 2866 02:10:34.359 --> 02:10:37.279 how to do all seven modes. He goes, that's your 2867 02:10:37.319 --> 02:10:39.600 diminished mode. You pay attention to. That's what you guys, 2868 02:10:39.880 --> 02:10:44.000 you hopheads do now call hopheads you know what I mean? 2869 02:10:45.800 --> 02:10:49.119 It was? It was my mom goes, you're not letting 2870 02:10:49.119 --> 02:10:51.319 those men help Alen boys in the house are you 2871 02:10:52.000 --> 02:10:54.000 tell me tet your shoes off when they come in here? 2872 02:10:56.119 --> 02:10:58.399 And I remember going over to Ed's house on a Halloween. 2873 02:10:58.439 --> 02:11:00.640 I was wearing a boiler suit like he used to wear. 2874 02:11:00.720 --> 02:11:03.800 The white Yeah, you were that the other guy. I 2875 02:11:03.880 --> 02:11:05.600 was young. I was yelling at him. I was yelling 2876 02:11:05.640 --> 02:11:09.039 at him, and his mom goos, she's a Dutch Indonesian lady. 2877 02:11:09.079 --> 02:11:10.279 She goes, oh, that's what. 2878 02:11:10.399 --> 02:11:15.000 There's a spook by the fence. And I remember at 2879 02:11:15.079 --> 02:11:17.000 when summer is over the top of the coming house. 2880 02:11:18.319 --> 02:11:23.000 Very much a mama's boy and the girl and Eds 2881 02:11:23.079 --> 02:11:26.800 like and control everything. Matriarchal. Come from a very matriarchal 2882 02:11:26.880 --> 02:11:31.399 European family, and a woman dominates. I mean, mister van 2883 02:11:31.439 --> 02:11:33.760 Haim was always drunk, sitting in his fishing boat out 2884 02:11:33.760 --> 02:11:38.359 in the yard, in the he played at Alpinelle with 2885 02:11:38.439 --> 02:11:39.000 the clarinet. 2886 02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:44.199 Did Ed boil his is it chew? He boiled his 2887 02:11:44.279 --> 02:11:48.680 strings in the uh in his mother's strings. 2888 02:11:48.720 --> 02:11:50.479 You boil all the life out of them. They're dead 2889 02:11:50.520 --> 02:11:51.199 when you put them on. 2890 02:11:52.119 --> 02:11:53.199 I knew another guy that did that. 2891 02:11:53.319 --> 02:11:55.199 We used the Floyd Roses out and you fine tuner, 2892 02:11:55.239 --> 02:11:56.720 So how the hell do you keep that in tune? 2893 02:11:56.920 --> 02:11:58.359 He couldn't keep it in tune. 2894 02:11:58.800 --> 02:12:01.199 And and did he also did he also hang the 2895 02:12:01.239 --> 02:12:04.479 guitars after they were painted on the clothesline. That's the 2896 02:12:04.600 --> 02:12:06.680 stories that he would he would hang his guitar on 2897 02:12:07.159 --> 02:12:07.439 his mom. 2898 02:12:08.000 --> 02:12:09.920 How are you doing with the electrical tape and swim 2899 02:12:10.039 --> 02:12:15.119 bicycle white blacker with black pieces of electrical tape that 2900 02:12:15.159 --> 02:12:17.880 were done in the pattern? Say that's kind of neat. 2901 02:12:18.560 --> 02:12:20.239 Then all of a sudden, it's a it's like a 2902 02:12:20.359 --> 02:12:24.199 Picasso thing. I mean, it's a trademark. But that took 2903 02:12:24.239 --> 02:12:27.359 the years, but he beat those guitars up something fierce. 2904 02:12:27.920 --> 02:12:31.800 But I remember we played the last gig they ever played, Passagina. 2905 02:12:31.840 --> 02:12:34.560 I did an opener and we were actually very good. 2906 02:12:34.640 --> 02:12:38.239 But they ever, they went for broke. I mean they 2907 02:12:38.319 --> 02:12:39.960 played that night like it was the last night they 2908 02:12:40.039 --> 02:12:42.720 ever had to play a non professional gig, and they did. 2909 02:12:43.000 --> 02:12:45.399 I mean, they could have that band could have broke up, 2910 02:12:45.399 --> 02:12:48.199 but they they stuck together and they worked three hundred 2911 02:12:48.279 --> 02:12:51.680 days a year for several years to get back what 2912 02:12:51.840 --> 02:12:54.720 they didn't get from the sex pistols got all the attention. 2913 02:12:55.680 --> 02:12:57.199 They were a bunch of funk ups. I mean, look 2914 02:12:57.239 --> 02:13:01.720 at Siddy, know that moment. I mean they can't for sure, Yeah, 2915 02:13:01.760 --> 02:13:02.119 I mean. 2916 02:13:02.479 --> 02:13:06.960 I have a bootleg of the Pasadena Civic and Dave says, 2917 02:13:07.000 --> 02:13:08.840 this is the last show. 2918 02:13:11.560 --> 02:13:15.439 Because they just signed a boat house uh and Ready 2919 02:13:15.520 --> 02:13:19.319 Kill a Lot and Ben Halen Wow. And it was 2920 02:13:19.439 --> 02:13:22.239 like they were different. I mean like they got popular 2921 02:13:22.359 --> 02:13:25.840 because they had such a draw. I mean they all 2922 02:13:25.920 --> 02:13:29.079 the school's Arcadia High all the way down with people Rivera. 2923 02:13:29.479 --> 02:13:31.560 They had a big promotional thing, people will go out, 2924 02:13:31.800 --> 02:13:35.159 you know, put ten thousand flyers out. And when they played, 2925 02:13:35.159 --> 02:13:36.640 I mean it just all they do is show up. 2926 02:13:37.439 --> 02:13:39.359 They played Guzars all the time, which didn't you know, 2927 02:13:39.399 --> 02:13:41.119 there was a lot of nights there's nobody in there. 2928 02:13:42.319 --> 02:13:44.439 And then there was Knights that Roger Waters and Ricky 2929 02:13:44.640 --> 02:13:46.399 Richie Blackmore came in and I said, what are you 2930 02:13:46.399 --> 02:13:48.640 gonna don't don't don't play out of tune. There was 2931 02:13:48.840 --> 02:13:51.920 like a half step out of tune. They played Firehouse 2932 02:13:52.000 --> 02:13:53.600 by Kiss. I mean it was back then. 2933 02:13:53.640 --> 02:13:55.239 They didn't even have tuonors though, did they. 2934 02:13:55.880 --> 02:13:58.399 No, we hadn't. I mean, just you tune them up 2935 02:13:58.399 --> 02:13:59.600 and you played exactly. 2936 02:13:59.720 --> 02:14:02.039 Yeah. That's why sometimes you listen to old albums and 2937 02:14:02.159 --> 02:14:04.000 you hear there slightly off, you know, and it's kind 2938 02:14:04.039 --> 02:14:04.800 of great. 2939 02:14:05.319 --> 02:14:05.520 Yeah. 2940 02:14:06.960 --> 02:14:09.640 That's one thing I don't like about modern studios is 2941 02:14:09.720 --> 02:14:11.920 all the engineers. They want to take it and make 2942 02:14:12.000 --> 02:14:14.880 everything perfect, and I'm like, I don't want it. 2943 02:14:15.000 --> 02:14:16.880 Don't say we do a song, you like it, you 2944 02:14:16.960 --> 02:14:19.000 play a really good verse, you take that same version, 2945 02:14:19.079 --> 02:14:22.199 you thread it, and all the other verse lots. It 2946 02:14:22.319 --> 02:14:25.039 loses something, doesn't I agree? Yeah? Yeah? And then like 2947 02:14:25.199 --> 02:14:27.640 you never would have a jagger Richard put a stake 2948 02:14:27.720 --> 02:14:29.239 to the teleporter harmony. 2949 02:14:29.520 --> 02:14:32.119 You didn't if you wanted it perfect, like they would 2950 02:14:32.159 --> 02:14:35.159 destroy that, you know, So I always let it, let. 2951 02:14:35.119 --> 02:14:36.840 It be no. But you know, while they recording the 2952 02:14:36.880 --> 02:14:39.920 old days like propo Harum on the home album, they 2953 02:14:40.000 --> 02:14:43.119 did it live. They sang it and played it live. 2954 02:14:43.399 --> 02:14:46.119 Yeah, you don't mess up. But just like back in 2955 02:14:46.199 --> 02:14:47.920 the big band era, too is the same. They had 2956 02:14:47.920 --> 02:14:50.119 a good recond the whole band redo, the whole thing. 2957 02:14:50.359 --> 02:14:52.720 They had outtakes from that home album and they played 2958 02:14:52.760 --> 02:14:57.239 it exactly. Everybody showed up, got in there and performed 2959 02:14:57.279 --> 02:14:59.840 go over drubs, know nothing, and you think, wow, that 2960 02:15:00.039 --> 02:15:00.800 how they used to do it. 2961 02:15:01.119 --> 02:15:03.479 And there was a drummer tell me recently that Charlie 2962 02:15:03.520 --> 02:15:08.920 Watts was technically not perfect, but who better to play 2963 02:15:09.000 --> 02:15:10.000 the stones Charlie. 2964 02:15:10.000 --> 02:15:11.359 You know what you couldn't do with Charlie. You could 2965 02:15:11.359 --> 02:15:15.079 turn a metronomonom He never went off the beat, never, Charlie. 2966 02:15:16.199 --> 02:15:16.800 Charlie Watts. 2967 02:15:16.960 --> 02:15:19.520 I love Ringo. That shopple were you ever seeing where 2968 02:15:19.600 --> 02:15:22.560 Greg Bisnette explained getting all the drummers that explain, Yes, 2969 02:15:22.880 --> 02:15:25.119 the ringo thing, and it's just you know, it was 2970 02:15:25.279 --> 02:15:25.920 his own thing. 2971 02:15:26.640 --> 02:15:28.960 Charlie would do that thing where he would like it 2972 02:15:29.000 --> 02:15:31.439 almost sounds like it's the sound of somebody like diving 2973 02:15:31.479 --> 02:15:34.159 into the water. He'd hit the snare and then snare 2974 02:15:34.199 --> 02:15:41.279 and yeah, it was a really cool effect to that. So, okay, 2975 02:15:41.479 --> 02:15:44.279 this was phenomenal. This is fantastic. We're talking for like 2976 02:15:44.319 --> 02:15:47.000 almost three hours here. This is just so awesome. 2977 02:15:47.359 --> 02:15:51.479 I mean, you know the guy that I really think 2978 02:15:51.520 --> 02:15:53.880 they really need to get some credit here at Harvey Mandel, 2979 02:15:54.640 --> 02:15:58.279 because he was he was like Jeff Beck back in 2980 02:15:58.319 --> 02:16:01.680 Blow by Blow, you're doing instrumental music. His son was 2981 02:16:01.800 --> 02:16:05.359 murdered up by the Oakland police because his kid got 2982 02:16:05.399 --> 02:16:07.720 in some trouble. But Harvey had a hard life, but 2983 02:16:07.760 --> 02:16:09.479 he was a great guitar player. He got kind of 2984 02:16:09.520 --> 02:16:09.960 stepped on. 2985 02:16:11.039 --> 02:16:13.119 Was he doing the finger tapping stuff as well? 2986 02:16:13.439 --> 02:16:15.920 He was on the Rolling Stones album Black what was it? 2987 02:16:16.039 --> 02:16:16.600 Black and Blue? 2988 02:16:16.720 --> 02:16:20.479 Black and Blue? Which song? Oh my god, what a song? 2989 02:16:22.000 --> 02:16:25.039 Don't that? That's harvey vibe is Harvey went all the way? 2990 02:16:25.239 --> 02:16:26.399 Oh okay, another one. 2991 02:16:26.479 --> 02:16:28.840 And then that's when they were thinking about put Harvey 2992 02:16:28.920 --> 02:16:31.880 in the band. And then you know, naturally Ronnie would 2993 02:16:31.920 --> 02:16:33.600 fit in a lot better than Harvey. 2994 02:16:33.440 --> 02:16:37.920 And they thought about Jeff Beck joining the Stones. 2995 02:16:38.280 --> 02:16:43.760 Harvey played with what were they called John Sugarcane Harris 2996 02:16:44.079 --> 02:16:47.840 the junkie dead now the fiddle player, but he would 2997 02:16:47.879 --> 02:16:49.719 play with the Pure Food and Drug act that was 2998 02:16:49.799 --> 02:16:52.319 a big act in La back in nineteen seventy one. 2999 02:16:53.559 --> 02:16:55.879 But he had a neat sound. He had a really organic, 3000 02:16:56.040 --> 02:16:59.399 kind of cool sound. And I knew his family really 3001 02:16:59.440 --> 02:17:02.079 well because that's I took lessons from him, the door, 3002 02:17:02.200 --> 02:17:04.440 the way he played, and he traded me for like 3003 02:17:04.760 --> 02:17:08.360 babyshit my son, Eric and you give me some lesson. 3004 02:17:09.079 --> 02:17:11.360 Terry, Christy, thank you so much. We're gonna I was 3005 02:17:11.639 --> 02:17:13.399 telling Christy to just send me all the links you 3006 02:17:13.440 --> 02:17:14.920 guys want to send me, so people can stay up 3007 02:17:14.920 --> 02:17:16.719 the date on this album when it comes out, and 3008 02:17:16.879 --> 02:17:20.200 then send me some tracks and we can play some 3009 02:17:20.719 --> 02:17:21.000 the best. 3010 02:17:21.120 --> 02:17:24.000 I can try to make some magic. There's a magic 3011 02:17:24.639 --> 02:17:25.559 he's already made. 3012 02:17:25.399 --> 02:17:28.479 It, tell you, And will you be playing some of 3013 02:17:28.520 --> 02:17:29.879 the Dave stuff live? 3014 02:17:30.280 --> 02:17:33.399 If he's like, I really hope that I've got a 3015 02:17:33.440 --> 02:17:35.559 good settlement and I can buy back some of his ship. 3016 02:17:35.680 --> 02:17:39.200 And yeah, I invested in trying to get what he 3017 02:17:39.399 --> 02:17:41.719 needs to record, and so we're definitely are going to 3018 02:17:41.760 --> 02:17:42.200 play live. 3019 02:17:42.280 --> 02:17:45.680 That's not cool, it's all. It's going to end up 3020 02:17:45.719 --> 02:17:47.159 on midget p three anyhow. 3021 02:17:47.559 --> 02:17:51.079 Yeah, are you feeling optimistic about the lawsuit? 3022 02:17:53.120 --> 02:17:55.440 Very because you know what they've proven him that they're 3023 02:17:55.600 --> 02:17:58.760 all twenty six hours were faulty, and the wind blew 3024 02:17:58.840 --> 02:18:02.200 the garrelic tower and molten metal went down the ground. 3025 02:18:02.639 --> 02:18:04.680 They didn't get baiting and think they were supposed to 3026 02:18:04.680 --> 02:18:06.840 clean up. They sucked up all the way around. Harry's 3027 02:18:06.879 --> 02:18:11.360 got so here, I got nineteen billion dollars, got there ready, 3028 02:18:11.440 --> 02:18:12.319 and it's not even there. 3029 02:18:12.239 --> 02:18:14.840 Mony sure is the lawyer telling you to be patient 3030 02:18:14.879 --> 02:18:15.959 because those things to get drunk. 3031 02:18:16.040 --> 02:18:18.319 We were at a meeting and they started talking about 3032 02:18:18.360 --> 02:18:21.120 how their ce yogat a sixteen million dollar bonus for 3033 02:18:21.239 --> 02:18:22.239 burning my house. 3034 02:18:22.120 --> 02:18:22.799 Down, of course. 3035 02:18:23.040 --> 02:18:24.639 Yeah, the same Froggy. 3036 02:18:25.159 --> 02:18:27.920 Yeah, if that's the case, you know, but it's terrible. 3037 02:18:28.360 --> 02:18:30.719 Yeah, all the best of that. I mean whatever whatever 3038 02:18:30.799 --> 02:18:31.959 I could do to help her that man. 3039 02:18:33.040 --> 02:18:36.239 Yeah, yeah for Connecticut. You got from Wapping, from Irish and. 3040 02:18:36.520 --> 02:18:38.959 I can't be made. I'm like denarow, I can't be made. 3041 02:18:39.280 --> 02:18:41.159 I couldn't get made in your best friend, I didn't 3042 02:18:41.200 --> 02:18:43.680 take Believe me if I was back aches that have 3043 02:18:43.760 --> 02:18:45.920 been in the Crew's. 3044 02:18:45.399 --> 02:18:48.440 A small world story. Roberts DeNiro's aunt lived in my hometown. 3045 02:18:48.559 --> 02:18:50.639 She was friends with my mom. She passed. She passed 3046 02:18:50.680 --> 02:18:52.680 only a few years ago. She's like ninety something. But yeah, 3047 02:18:52.719 --> 02:18:55.799 she lived right in town here that he used to come. Yeah, 3048 02:18:55.879 --> 02:18:56.520 he'd come by. 3049 02:18:56.559 --> 02:18:58.559 From the long lineas grow Democrats. 3050 02:19:01.040 --> 02:19:03.399 Man, I'd love to I'd love to meet you someday 3051 02:19:03.399 --> 02:19:06.040 in person. If if you guys are coming around coast. 3052 02:19:05.840 --> 02:19:08.840 I get out that way. She'll be out that way tomorrow. Yeah. 3053 02:19:08.920 --> 02:19:13.040 Oh yeah, yeah, look okay, yeah yeah, get ready. 3054 02:19:12.840 --> 02:19:15.520 For the humidity. My tallest building you kind of go 3055 02:19:15.760 --> 02:19:18.680 far up and you can't see it, and then. 3056 02:19:18.600 --> 02:19:20.719 He's telling me all those places he stayed, and I'm 3057 02:19:20.799 --> 02:19:22.600 like looking them up, I'm like, oh, I won't be 3058 02:19:22.680 --> 02:19:24.280 staying in those places where you tour. 3059 02:19:24.360 --> 02:19:26.559 To date, I think you know very far. My bill 3060 02:19:26.680 --> 02:19:29.000 is like fifty six dollars every month. I said, why 3061 02:19:29.040 --> 02:19:33.159 are we here? Go home seven miles away. I mean, 3062 02:19:33.239 --> 02:19:35.680 ocean is the best room we had there. It's an 3063 02:19:35.680 --> 02:19:37.600 old supermarket. They come into a studio. 3064 02:19:38.520 --> 02:19:41.600 Yeah, well thanks again, guys. This was this was so 3065 02:19:41.840 --> 02:19:43.760 cool man. I'm just so glad we made this happen. 3066 02:19:44.920 --> 02:19:53.319 God man, that's it. 3067 02:19:54.280 --> 02:19:55.040 It's in the books.