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Gaesy Bundy Dahmer, The Nightstalker DTK. Every week, 46 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:31.120 another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and infamous 47 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:35.199 killers in true crime history. True Murder with Your host 48 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:51.639 journalist and author Dan Zufanski, Good Evening, the definitive account 49 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:56.000 of Bill Cosby's transition from revered father figure to convicted criminal. 50 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:00.759 Bill Cosby's decades long career as a sweater wearing, wholesome 51 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.159 TV dad came to a swift and stunning end on 52 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:08.360 April twenty sixth, twenty eighteen, when he was convicted of 53 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:13.800 drugging and sexually assaulting Andrea Constant. The mounting allegations against 54 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.520 Bill Cosby, more than sixty women have come forward to 55 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:19.919 accuse him of similar crimes, and his ultimate conviction were 56 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:22.960 a shock to Americans who wanted to cleave to their 57 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:27.159 image of Cosby as a pudding pop hero. Award winning 58 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:32.000 journalist and former People Magazine senior writer Nikki Wizency Egan 59 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:34.360 was the first reporter to dig into the story when 60 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:37.919 Constant went to police in two thousand and five. Other 61 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:42.120 news organizations looked away, but Egan doggedly investigated the case, 62 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:47.159 developing ties with entrench sources and discovering incriminating details that 63 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:52.599 would ultimately come to influence the prosecution. In her debut book, 64 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:56.919 Chasing Cosby, Egan shares her first time account of Cosby's 65 00:03:56.960 --> 00:04:00.280 thirteen year run from justice. She tells us that's how 66 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.919 Cosby planned and executed his crimes, and how Hollywood alliances 67 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:06.520 and law enforcement knew what Cosby was doing but did 68 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:10.599 nothing to stop him. A veteran crime reporter, Egan also 69 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:14.000 explores the cultural and social issues that influence the case, 70 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:18.279 delving into the psychological calculations of a serial predator and 71 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:21.120 into the psyche of a nation that fervently wanted to 72 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:24.600 put their faith in the innocence of America's Dad. 73 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:28.839 Rich in character and rife with dramatic revelations about popular 74 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:33.120 culture media power in our criminal system, Egan's account will 75 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:37.120 inform and fascinate readers with its candid telling of humanity's 76 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:41.519 most enduring tale, the rise and fall of a cultural icon. 77 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:44.839 The book they were featuring this evening is Chasing Cosby, 78 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:48.639 the Downfall of America's Dad, with my special guest journalist 79 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:53.720 and author Nicole Wise and see Egan. Welcome to the program, 80 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:55.879 and thank you very much for agreeing to this interview 81 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:57.959 Nicole Wise and c. 82 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.839 Egan, thanks for having me on. 83 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:08.439 Thank you very much. Incredible timely story and even though 84 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:12.240 this story is not about murder, the audience will certainly 85 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:17.240 certainly appreciate this. Let's talk about as you write in 86 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:24.959 the book January thirteen, two thousand and five, tell us 87 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:30.920 about Andrea Constant and how you open the book about 88 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:35.000 her experience with Bill Cosby. Tell us about January thirteen, 89 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.399 two thousand and five. In that story. 90 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:42.240 Sure, that morning she woke up from yet another nightmare 91 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.680 and she was sobbing. It was a nightmare where she 92 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:49.000 dreamed that she was seeing a woman getting sexually assaulted 93 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.639 because she hadn't come forward about what had happened to her. 94 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:55.079 She had been having it over the last year and 95 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:58.079 had woken up screaming sometimes from her sleep. Her parents 96 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:01.079 could hear her from their bedroom. So this morning when 97 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:03.959 it happened, she just woke up and she called her mom. 98 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:06.399 Her mom was on her way to work and she 99 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:09.439 called her and she blurted out, I have PTSD, Mom, 100 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:12.639 I think I have PTSD. And then Bill Cosby drugged 101 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:15.759 and raped me. And it was just a shock, like 102 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:18.480 her mother knew something was wrong with her daughter. She 103 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:21.160 had come home, she had quit her job in Philadelphia 104 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:23.639 and come home to enroll a massage school to be 105 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:26.800 in Messuth like her father. But she wasn't herself when 106 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:28.519 she came home that previous April. 107 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:30.920 She was withdrawn, she lost. 108 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.240 Weight, she didn't want to spend time with her family. 109 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:37.920 She seemed depressed, and she was having these nightmares. So 110 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.120 her mother, you know, later that day, when her mother 111 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:45.199 got home from work, they called police and reported the crime, 112 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:48.959 and that set off this whole tidal wave of events 113 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:51.439 that led to ultimately his conviction. 114 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.600 You talk about them calling the family, calling police, but 115 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:58.879 they were living in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and they called 116 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:02.399 them to Durham Reachild Police department at that time. Tell 117 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:04.920 us what else she did other than call the police. 118 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:06.519 Who else did she also call? 119 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:08.160 Well? 120 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:11.319 She because yeah, she was Canadian. She wasn't familiar with 121 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.360 how the criminal justice system worked in the US and 122 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:18.079 her her brother in law is a cop in Canada, 123 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:19.879 and that he had told her you should look around 124 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:22.439 for a lawyer to represent you. She didn't know if 125 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:25.120 she would need a lawyer to actually file charges. I mean, 126 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:28.000 she just really didn't know how the system worked, so 127 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.240 she started calling around in the meantime to get recommendations 128 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:35.160 for lawyers in the Philadelphia area and then but didn't 129 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:38.720 actually speak to them anyone before they called the police. 130 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:42.240 And then her mother also was so worried about when 131 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.759 she found out that her daughter had been drugged. She 132 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.240 wanted to know what Bill Cosby had given her daughter 133 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:49.959 because of the way her daughter's behavior had changed, she 134 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:52.240 was worried that there was some lasting impact that was 135 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:55.279 part of the reason that her daughter had been herself. 136 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:59.040 So she asked Andrea for the phone number to call him. 137 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.360 And Andrea had an for his answer and service. It's 138 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.240 the one she always used, and her mother know she 139 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:06.480 was scared, like they were both scared in a way 140 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:08.560 because they were scared they were book. Cosby's one of 141 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:11.800 the most powerful people in this country in the entertainment world, 142 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:14.600 and they were both nervous and scared about confronting them. 143 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:18.199 But Andrea's mothers was overcome by her fear for her daughter. 144 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:20.120 She had to know what he had given her daughter, 145 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:23.800 so she called That was a Thursday, but Cosby didn't 146 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:26.439 end up calling her back until Sunday. That Sunday, and 147 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:29.600 in the meantime, they went to police, but because it 148 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:33.759 happened outside the Philadelphia area and not in Toronto, the 149 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:38.039 Durham police referred to Philly erroneously at first, and then 150 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:40.159 a few days later it went to the correct police 151 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.720 in Cheltenham Township, Pennsylvania, which is just outside Philly, which 152 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:45.559 is where Cosby owns a home. 153 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:51.759 Now you talk about a police source tipped off Harvey Hairston, 154 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:57.240 an investigative reporter for Philadelphia's Channel ten, the NBC affiliate, 155 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:01.159 and the allegations you right broke in Channel tens five 156 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:06.480 PM newscast on January twentieth, two thousand and five. Tell 157 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:09.360 us what you learned and how you learned that information, 158 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:12.759 and what was your capacity? Where were you working at 159 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:14.679 that time and what capacity. 160 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:16.080 Sure? 161 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:19.240 I was working at the Philadelphia Daily News at the time. 162 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.120 I was a crime investigative writer, and I had spent 163 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:25.440 the last two years digging into sexual misconduct among the 164 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:30.879 Pennsylvania State Police. I always did investigative stories while also 165 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.559 working the crime beat, so that's why it was assigned 166 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.480 to me. My boss had always said, if you want 167 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:37.159 to get ahead on a story, give it to VICKI. 168 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:39.799 So they gave it to me, and it was a 169 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:42.919 shock because I was a fan of Cosby. I grew 170 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:45.440 up watching Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids on Saturday 171 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.240 mornings with my brother. I loved the Cosby Show. I 172 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:52.000 truly thought Bill Cosby was Cliff Huxtable. So my initial 173 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:56.000 reaction was not the cause I just you know, it 174 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.159 wasn't something I wanted to believe either, but I had 175 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:01.120 to put my personal feelings aside just look into this 176 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:04.200 and see what this was all about. And of course, 177 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.679 the biggest question, because we knew who Cosby was or 178 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:08.759 who we thought he was, was who was this woman 179 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:10.840 Because her name wasn't being released. All I knew was 180 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:13.600 she had worked at Temple University, and Cosby was on 181 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:16.480 the board of trustees there as well, and had not 182 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:20.799 graduated but been given an honorary degree. So I had 183 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:23.120 some sources at Temple who ended up telling me who 184 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:25.519 she was, though we didn't use her name until we 185 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:27.519 had permission to use it a month or so later, 186 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.440 and her reputation was fantastic there. She was director of 187 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.559 operations for the women's basketball team. Don Staley had recruited 188 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:37.720 her for that job. She was the coach and Don 189 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:40.840 Staley was also very close with Cosby. She was one 190 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:42.600 of the top five and then I did a clip 191 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:44.080 search on her name to see what else I could 192 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:46.720 find out about her, and she was one of the 193 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:50.919 top five basketball women's basketball players in Canada. She was 194 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:54.559 recruited by fifty to sixty colleges in the United States 195 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.759 to play for them because she was so good, and 196 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:00.559 she eventually chose the University of Arizona. She dreamed of 197 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.120 playing for the WNBA one day, and after college, she 198 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:06.480 went and played in Europe for a while, and then 199 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:09.000 she finally came back to Canada and she started realizing 200 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.679 her dreams of playing in the WNBA weren't going to happen. 201 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:13.600 I mean, she used her own money to go to 202 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.480 tryouts in various cities as well. So that's when Don 203 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:18.960 Staley came to her and recruited her for this position 204 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.679 at Temple, and it was a way for her to 205 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:23.480 still be in the basketball world. So that's why she 206 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:26.679 took that job, and that's how she met Cosby. About 207 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:29.159 a year into the job, he was at a Temple 208 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:31.919 women's basketball game. He was a big supporter of the team. 209 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:35.960 He used to make commercials for comcast about the team, 210 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:38.519 and he would show up at games and a donor 211 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:42.320 who was at the game introduced Cosby to Andrea and 212 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:44.240 what was And then the next day or a couple 213 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.200 days later, he started calling her about temple business. But 214 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:50.759 he was the one who pursued this what she viewed 215 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:53.600 as a mentorship, although he would later say in his 216 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:55.679 deposition in her case that he had his eye on 217 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:58.200 her romantically from day one. From the moment he better, 218 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:02.039 she thought he was just of grandfather figure. I mean, 219 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:04.080 he was just her mentor. He was like ten years 220 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:06.879 older than her own father. And so you know, he's 221 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:10.279 calling her, asking her questions about the team. They become friendly, 222 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:12.440 and you know, he pursued this relationship that was not 223 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:15.000 her and she certainly wasn't in a position to say 224 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:17.639 no because he was, you know, on the board of 225 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:20.360 trustees at her employer. He was close with her boss, 226 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:23.360 and she really, you know, had no problem with that. 227 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:27.279 So that's what happened, and that's what was their relationship 228 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:28.919 for the next fourteen months. 229 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:34.240 You right. That's interesting too that what you find out 230 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:38.759 later is interesting in this mix that actually Andrea is 231 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:40.519 gay and not heterosexual. 232 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.799 Yeah, I was working on a profile of her to 233 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:48.360 run when I worked on it in between you know, 234 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.480 the stories that were breaking on this, because in the 235 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:52.519 midst of this, I got an exclusive with a second 236 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:56.799 accuser who came forward, Tomar Green. So yes, as I 237 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:00.879 was interviewing former teammates and so forth, I discovered that 238 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:02.840 they said you know that, don't you? And I said, no, 239 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:05.720 actually I didn't. So I called one of her attorneys 240 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:07.840 and I said, what do you you know? 241 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:09.159 Is this true? 242 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.519 And you know off the record there and I can 243 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:14.480 say this now because she has since had. 244 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:15.120 It made public. 245 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:17.200 But they said yes. They said, well, why don't you 246 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:19.759 want it to know? Because by that point, someone from 247 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:23.480 Cosby's team had leaked or someone in the prosecution had 248 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:27.000 leaked to a local to ABC News that Cosby what 249 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:30.600 had said that the relationship was consensual, that the account 250 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:32.799 she gave of that night and the account he gave 251 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:35.720 up that night about the night this happened were completely 252 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:38.200 matched up, except that she said it was he said 253 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:40.799 it was consensual, and she said it wasn't. And so 254 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:42.960 I said to her, you know, if people know this, 255 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.759 then they could say, you know, how can this be consensual? 256 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.279 Because I was kind of amazed at the backlash as 257 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:50.360 soon as I started reporting on this story from from 258 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.360 the other media, from against me, against her, like nobody 259 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:58.440 wanted to hear this. And Andrew's attorney said, there's no 260 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.000 point in doing that because cosby people will just find 261 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:03.039 some guy she dated in high school to say she's 262 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:04.279 not really gay, and. 263 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:05.120 She was exactly right. 264 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:07.679 Those were exactly the type of tactics they were using, 265 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:10.320 except it was worse. They were actually making up lies 266 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:12.279 about her and leaking it to the media, and the 267 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:15.279 media was running with it. So I totally understood. And 268 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.559 it wasn't until a decade later after the case popped 269 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:20.919 up again and there was a new court filing that 270 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.759 Andrea's attorneys put in that they finally revealed that fact 271 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:26.440 that she was gay, And at that point I was 272 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:29.039 just still so surprised they did it, even though it 273 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.519 was in a public court filing. Even though I knew 274 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.000 that it was that they it was okay. 275 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:34.240 To reveal it. 276 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.159 Then if they put it in there, I still was 277 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:37.919 called to the lawyer to make sure it was okay 278 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:40.480 to say it, because you know, it had been so 279 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:44.399 closely held, such a closely held secret for a decade 280 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.320 and I just wanted to make sure it was okay 281 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:47.840 for me to use it. I mean, that's just the 282 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.799 way I approached sensitive subjects in my stories. 283 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:59.399 Right now, Andrea hired Dolores Trumiani and bb kidits former 284 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:03.799 prosecutor and law partners in Devin right outside of Philadelphia. 285 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:07.360 What was their experience that they brought to this case. 286 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:12.679 Oh, they were both seasoned prosecutors. They had been sex 287 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:17.919 crimes prosecutors. Dolores had been a homicide prosecutor. She had 288 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:21.639 prosecuted the most notorious band of criminals in this area, 289 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:25.360 the Johnston Brothers that became the subject of the Sean 290 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:29.440 Penn movie At Close Range. I mean, they're both very fearless, 291 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:32.559 tough prosecutors, and they just were not afraid to take 292 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:35.320 this case from the beginning. I mean, they just believed 293 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:38.000 Andrea as soon as she came to them, and they 294 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:39.799 had no problem. In fact that Lauris has said that 295 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:41.960 she's always felt that she could have gotten a conviction 296 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:44.320 on this case, even in two thousand and five, with 297 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:45.440 the evidence that was there. 298 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:54.759 You talk about the Associated Press's first story initial media response. 299 00:15:55.399 --> 00:16:01.039 Tell us what you read and your reaction to the coverage. 300 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:02.600 Or take on it. 301 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:06.120 I mean, sure, you know, I had kept all of 302 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.679 my notes and everything from two thousand and five, even 303 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:11.879 after this Andrea started her lawsuit, because I packed it 304 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.639 up in a box and a waterproof box and put 305 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:16.879 it in my basement in case this bubbled up again, 306 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:20.159 in case, you know, some new accuser came forward. So 307 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:22.240 I was looking through all of those old stories and 308 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.600 I knew, I knew the other media the coverage had 309 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:28.840 been bad, but and you know, very anti Andrea. But 310 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.039 I hadn't realized how bad until I started doing the 311 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:33.799 research for this book last summer. So yeah, I found 312 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:36.320 that the first story the AP did lead led with, 313 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:40.679 you know, Cosby's lawyer calling these charges bizarre and preposterous. 314 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.000 And the lead on my first story that I wrote 315 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:46.399 about the scandal breaking was just that, you know, very 316 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:49.799 very neutral. You know, he Bill Cosby has been accused 317 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:53.480 of you know, drugging and sexually assaulting a former Temple 318 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:55.759 employee at his Cheltenham mansion. Police say, you know, it 319 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:57.919 was very you know, down the middle. And then of 320 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:00.399 course I had his lawyer's response in there, but they 321 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:04.759 basically led with Cosby, you know, just saying that this 322 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:08.279 is bizarre and preposterous. 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See website for details. 356 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:53.720 You write about Bruce Lcaster, Junior at the Montgomery County 357 00:18:53.839 --> 00:19:00.319 District's Attorney and his prosecution of this or tell us 358 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:06.160 about Bruce Caster and the press release that he issues 359 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:07.440 and what he has to say. 360 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:11.759 Sure, you know, I it's another thing I was surprised 361 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:14.480 about because I'd done Bruce Caster for years there. He 362 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:16.720 loved to hold press conferences at a drop. 363 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:16.880 Of a hat. 364 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:21.240 He loved high profile cases, he loved being on TV. 365 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:23.640 And I thought, what a natural one for him to 366 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:25.839 go him onto And he wasn't scared of tough cases. 367 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:28.839 I mean, I had seen him get murder convictions where 368 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:31.079 they didn't even have a murder weapon. In one case, 369 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:33.240 all they had was the imprint of a weapon in 370 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:35.960 a holster, and he was able to get a murder conviction. 371 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:39.680 I had his office had prosecuted this a state trooper 372 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:44.960 who was sexually assaulting teenagers and women for decades or 373 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.799 for years in the Philadelphia suburbs, and all of them, 374 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:50.359 you know, did not report to a police immediate they, 375 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:52.839 like Andrea, it was delayed reporting. It's the norm in 376 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:55.920 these cases. It's not normal. The norm is not for 377 00:19:56.359 --> 00:19:58.359 sexual sult victims to go to the police right away. 378 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:01.400 In fact, the majority of them go to police. So 379 00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:04.119 I knew that he had handled cases like this, and 380 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:06.839 he understood that. But from the get go, it just 381 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:09.440 seemed to me that he wanted nothing to do with 382 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:09.960 this case. 383 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:10.920 He didn't. 384 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:14.160 It was four days before he even issued a press 385 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:17.160 release that he didn't have a press conference. And in 386 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:20.680 that press release, which was just four short paragraphs and 387 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:24.519 it was released to just the reporters who worked out 388 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:27.880 of the courthouse in Northtown, Pennsylvania, where his office was, 389 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:30.119 it wasn't released to all of the media. He released 390 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:31.799 it to them first and then the rest of the 391 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:35.039 media the next day, and it almost like sounded like 392 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:37.480 he was saying he might charge Andrea with a crime. 393 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:39.839 So it was really shocking. 394 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.400 And then after they interviewed Cosby hed he did hold 395 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:47.400 a press conference and the comments he made it made, 396 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:53.480 you know, were very important because the way they were interpretated, 397 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.680 interpreted by at least one woman, was that, you know, 398 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.279 he had no intension of prosecuting this case. Calipn Your 399 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:04.319 Turn of Tomorrow. Green heard excerpts of it in California 400 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:08.039 and she listened to it and she's like, that's you know, 401 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:10.400