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Speaker 3: Let's start some college basketball BYU Basketball, with BYU Basketball
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on the line. Robbie, how you living brother?
Speaker 1: Get good?
Speaker 3: Talking to you, Ben, always a pleasure, always a blessing,
talking ball with you. BYU Basketball obviously on a just
a ridiculous trajectory right now. This is the most talented
team at BAU basketball history. They very well could get
the monkey off their back and enter into a final four.
See a final four for once in their basketball lifetime.
You have the number one overall NBA draft pick and
aj to bonsa uh you were a part of, you know,
arguably one of the best, if not the best era
in b YU basketball being a student, I believe in
the gym or for Debt era. I don't know if
that's when you really bought into b YU hoops. But
you know, now you're seeing a golden era occur, and
you wonder how long this golden era is gonna last.
Give us some perspective on where By's at right now
comparative to where they were.
Speaker 1: Even in the Gimmermania era.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say, Man, I've been around longer I was.
I remember, like Mark Bigelow, like in the nineties and stuff.
That's kind of when I really started getting to b
A basketball.
Speaker 3: That's right now, I forget, But like remember talk the
most impactful everything?
Speaker 1: Yeah? When when did? When would it? When was it
most impactful?
Speaker 3: Was it the Bigelow like mckelly Wesley early two thousand.
Speaker 1: You know, one team or or was it the Jimmer era?
Like when did you really buy it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean Jimmer was like been the peak of
my life. I mean I'm thirty three, so I mean
I remember like early two thousands like you have, like
Louis Lemis, like Russell Aldaruzio, like those teams like those
are like really fun teams, especially I group in Vegas.
You know, he was really big. That's kind of I
feel like why b A. Bass was always kind of resonated,
especially to me, just with the rival routine, you know,
to be basketball and football. But I guess overall, I mean,
I think Jimmer's gonna be like tough to ever be
and this team's incredible, Like AJ Buie's probably never gonna
see something like like Aji get the next ten number
one picks, so the next ten number one recruits in
the next ten years. And I just don't think anything
gonna be with AJ, like Jener generationals thrown out a
little too much, like we had Cooper Flag like last year,
Like there's been Anthony Edwards, like Kate Cunningham was really good.
But AJ's like just like the just the way the
basketball world talks about him, like Nike features him like
Keiths talks with Kevin Durant, Shaq, Kevin Garnett, Carmela Anthony,
like Lebron James deps him up court side, like that's
what makes AJ differences, Like US is trying to make
him like a future face of like USA Basketball, because
you've had all these like NBA MVPs that's been international,
and there hasn't been like an American Board MVP for
a while. I felt like basketball is trying to like
make USA basketballs, trying to make aj that which is special.
But I guess like Jim is just always going to
be hard to be Like maybe this team at toy
Mick the Final four, but I know people that like
lived in and were around there, just like it was
just really unprecedented what Jimmer did. Like you had Steph
Curry a few years before in college basketball, but the
way Jimmer's shot was like honestly new to that way
of like college basketball then, Like the amount of like
the long distance shot he took, Like Twitter was just
an infancy then, So like there wasn't a lot on
social media about Jimmer. Honestly, I think what added to
like Jimmer's kind of like mystique a little bit, Like
all like so many of those U games are like
on versus or CSTV, so you like had to find
like a lot of current You had to find like
illegal streams if you wanted to watch them, a lot
of them, Like you saw the Sports Center highlights like
who's this gimmer for that guy in the mountains making
long shots and that just I feel like added to
just his cult personality and mystique. So it's gonna be
hard to ever top Gymmer, But like I think the
UA team's better and what they're doing right now, and
it's just just AJ would be fun to watch, like Richie,
like he's gonna go down. He's already an all time
BOU great like it's all said and done, like top
five player and bo basketball history. I think you can
make really that case for Richie what he's done over
four years and obviously got Rob Wright Kata, So yeah,
it's fun. And I combined what basketball is doing, like
all the BYU students right now, it's like, man, like
the games they get to go to, it's like good
for them because man, it's it's it's it's it hasn't
been better really for basketball and football at the same time.
Speaker 1: How sustainable is what we're experiencing right now? Do you
feel in b Yu f e Yu?
Speaker 2: I feel like as long as you have Kevin Young,
it is sustainable and and I'm like, honestly, I don't
know how long Kevin Young is going to be around
for like I like, I personally think I think he's
an NBA guy when it comes down to it, Like
maybe he's a I hope he's at buy another five
ten years. Like, but I think he did really look
at the Sun's job this past year. I think I
think he really does like being at By. I think
the family environment. His wife's by all accounts, really likes
living here. They just had a newborn obviously, like in
the in the past past years. I think that's a
big part, and he's mentioned it's just it's the workload's
not necessary changing. But then now I have time, he
gets to be home with his family, not be on
the road. I think is a huge deal. But I
think at heart he's really an NBA guy. Again, I
hope we haven't a round for another five ten years.
But as far as like sustainability, I think as long
as Kevin Young, it's sustainable. Like there's probably a little
drop off next year because I don't think like Bo,
he's not going to have a guy's aga. Like maybe
we get Bruce Branch who's like a top ten kid
in the twenty twenty six class and he was the
number one kid in the twenty twenty seven clients until
he reclassified, but he's not gonna have that quite high
end talent. But like I think there's a really good
chance Rob Bright returns next year. I think as long
as Kevin Young's around, he's not going to transfer anywhere,
and I don't think he's probably not quite ready like
for the NBA, for the quite yet. So the long
as we get robbed right, that's obviously a really good
piece which makes at least a top twenty teen next year,
and then by will add some other pieces. So I
guess it depends what it means by sustainable, because Boy's
history is a lot of wins, but no, it's very
little NCAA tournament successful obviously this passion, we got to
the sweet sixteen, so it starts sustainable, like get like
competing for Sweet sixteen bids like about every year. I think, yes,
that's sustainable. Like I don't think Boa is going to
be a National Championship cut tender every year that they
are this year, But I think it's starts sustainability like
being like in the second and we get the NCAA
tournament more often than not. I think, yes, that is sustainable.
Kevin Young's around. If Kenyung did leave, like, I think
by you will be better than what they were before.
So made the ceiling's not as high, but I think
the way that the Boosters have bought in, like, I
don't think the ceiling will be as high, but I
think what we've seen historically BOU will continue to have, like,
will have more success than they have had in the
NCAA tournament.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I consistently discussed quota. Right.
Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm in the in the medical device sales industry.
Speaker 1: Is my main gig.
Speaker 3: Is you have your own main gig right with the Amazon,
and so I'm always talking about quota. Right, We're talking
about quota b what you football, BOE basketball quotas for
BA football, I feel like quota since you know, I've
been kind of around the BWAU football program.
Speaker 1: It's been like eight wins. You got to get to
eight wins.
Speaker 3: Otherwise people were talking about firing for basketball. What will
quota end up being? Do you think year and in
year round? Is it just NCUAA tournament. As long as
you get there, you're good.
Speaker 2: I think for the most part, I think I think
doesn't like the fire, especially like I think in basketball,
like the pool is smaller than in football, like like basketball,
like you got Keviny, you got Mark Matson, you got
Chris Burgess, and then you're like, okay, you got Casey
Beard who's an assistant at Houston, and like what you got.
So I think as long as like long term, as
long as you're making the nca Double A tournament and
then like getting some like winning games like here and there,
I think that's that that that is sustainable. But I
mean I think Dave Rose towards them he wasn't making
the n c A Double A tournaments, and I think
that ultimately kind of like sour fans on fams on
him and it was time for a change. And then
even Mark Pope before he he left, like fans are
kind of okay, he's like not really doing a thing
in the in the w In the WCCs obviously had
made the tournament, kind of ended up poor out with
to Kentucky. But I think as long as you're making
the tournament, I think that's like most stands, like outside
of it, Kevin Yug will be fine with that.
Speaker 1: Let's discuss this men's basketball team.
Speaker 3: Is they get prepped and ready for UH, A Texas
Tech matchup gonna be a very difficult one. I don't
know if it's the most difficult matchup ball season, but
maybe number two, number three?
Speaker 1: Where would you?
Speaker 2: I think number two for sure. I think Yukon's better,
but Texas Tech like they're they're really good, Like they
have the best do O bo's played. They like JT.
Toppin top two player in the Big twelve. Like Christian
Anderson I think is the best point guard in the
Big twelve, better than Rob right and that's no slight Rober.
I think Christian Anderson is that good, that really good.
I don't know if you want like the full breakdowne
right now, but I think they're probably like number two
right behind Yukon, Like they have some holes, but I
mean really good, high end talent, and like Texas Tech,
it's going to be a sellout tomorrow, one of the
toughest places to be in the country. So yeah, it's
gonna be like it's gonna be a huge test obviously
for BYU.
Speaker 3: Is UH, you know what, what's your biggest concern right
now with this bou men's basketball team, is they get
into the Big twelve?
Speaker 1: UH gauntlet? The true gauntlet, not the.
Speaker 3: SEC football so called gatlet but the true gauntlet in
the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: Good question. I want to see kids like I mean,
it's interesting because like when you're like saying, what's wrong
with this team is like different than what we said
for an WA team is the bility team that it's like, hey,
we just wanted to make the tournament. It's like now
we're our grading scales like a Final four caliber team.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So it's like always like it's always got so many
good things. So it's like I'm kind of like the context,
I'm kind of great on that sky, Like what yeah,
what would keep this buoity team for being a Final
four team? I think what's interesting when you look at
like the landscape of college basketball. The top end of
college basketball is good. It's probably been in decades. Like
it's not as good as like the nineties and like
early two thousands, even before that, when guys would stay
for four years like you have like Tim Duncan playing
for four years, like the guys like the Grant like
those Duke teams, like you don't have that. But the
top end like with like nil which has allowed players
to stay longer was like top europlayers coming over. Like
the top end of college basketball is really good. Like
I tweeted out a stat earlier this week, So bo
A right now is thirteen and ken Pom and at
by If you look at like three in the past
six seasons, bua's ken Pom rating would have been the
number BA win, the second best highest ken Pom rating
in college basketball, which is wild. So it's kind of
like of all the years bo you picked up all
time team they had to pick the year, there's so
many good teams at the top. I think it's kind
of like a such like I think football is a
little different because football it's like it's spread it out
all evenly, whereas basketball it's really pushed the top end
talent to a lot because basketball you really really need
like one or two players to really flip the caliber
of your program, like Bowie had Richie and you brought
an aj and Robins, like Boom you're a Final Four contender.
Like football you need doesn't you need over like double
digit players you offense, line of defense, line or basketball,
it's like you just need a couple of players. So
like basketball, like there's like football for most programs is
where you invest more. There's less money for basketball, but
basketball you needed some money to get a couple of
guys like the top really twelve fifteen teams in college
basketball have got top euro playing players, top like, but
they've got all the top of the top ten college basketball.
So that's that's one thing that's just hard. There's lots
of really good like super final like Final four caliber
teams where most of your vio you would probably be
a one or two seeds like this year they could
still be really dang good and like bes three, maybe
even a four seed. So that's just like macro, I think,
what's difficult. But we're talking about like this actual BYU team.
I mean, I mean people talk about the depth, and
obviously that's a concern. Like to me, it's not a
huge concern because when you get on a game, just
a game by game basis, like he's not gonna be
like doesn't want to go like a ton of guys anyway,
so it's not a huge concern, but like, where's the
hellolo of the course of this season, and like not
having Dawson Baker really does like hurt because BYU, like
they pretty much the road. They're always gonna play two
of a j Robert Ritchie at the same time. Obviously
there are three of them are gonna be the floor
a lot at the same time, especially in crucial minutes,
but kind of those mid points of the halfs it's like, hey,
you're kind of going Tyler rest. He hasn't given you
what you've wanted this year, like Coastitch like just isn't
quite ready yet, so Ba just had to go bigger
at Boskovic has been playing more minutes, whereas if you
had a Dawson Baker that gave you twenty minutes. It
was rotating with those three guys, like you have a
catch and shoot guy, that'd be really that'd be big.
So like that's not like a huge thing, but that's
the thing. Like BI used three point shooting. I think
like they could use a little bit more of that.
Like obviously Richie's like great three point shooter, but that stretches.
He hasn't been great, Like he wasn't great at the
TCU game, like the Yukon game. I think he was
oh of eighth nine from three And if he's not
hitting thirty, it's like Heynard Davis cam but he's only
shooting thirty three percent. Like Rob's been a huge revelation
this year shooting from three. Last year he shot less
than thirty percent from three, and Big Twelve play this
year for the shooting season, he's shooting forty five percent.
So that's that's really big. But BA they take a
decent math. They don't shoot a ton of three. So
like if you play a team like Texas Tech that
shoots the most threes in the Big Twelve, like they
could just it could be a math equation. If they're
just hitting three, you got agent going the line, finishing
and ones. But again that's not like a huge concern,
but it's like a thing I'm watching. A team can
outshoot Buyu and Boy's defense has been much improved this year,
but they they can still i think be taken by
dan amutguards Like Utah is not a good team, but
they have two good guards and McK henry and Terrence
Brown that they do well against BYU. So a team
like Christian Anderson really carves them up, like when they
so they play some teams high guards. So I'd say
those are just just like just off the cuff. Those
are some things. Again, like I'm going grading on a
boa being a final four team, not just at the
Little Bay tournament team. I think those are the types
of things that could keep BYU from being a gain
in type the final four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wonder. Like year, it seemed like the rotation
actually expanded. I thought it would restrict, but he'd expanded
as we got towards this madness. I don't know if
this team will expand that rotation. I want to believe
that they could, that they will, but this one may
be more of a restriction, limitation of minutes. Like I
want to see Tyler Mara's ballou. I want to see
Alexi Coastik. We remember we had that one game where
he came off the bench, Dominique Diamonde, look at Reger Freshman.
All these guys are talented, but you may have to
lean on the biggs coming off the bench.
Speaker 1: Kind of a.
Speaker 3: Hybrid between I mean Abdullah Ahmed unique in his skill set, Mihilo, Buzzkivik,
the highlight BUCKETVICH. Hopefully he steps in and I mean
I keep on leaning towards I need to see almost
a force fed Mahilo because we're gonna have to rely
on him because of his diverse skill set.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think probably it's Roy lately gonna be a seven.
Like now Ahmed like helps this team, Like it's it's
a big addition because that means buy will always have
a rim protector on the floor, and I think that's
huge for this defense. Obviously we know what Kiba could do,
but he gives you twenty eight thirty minutes, like twenty
six to thirty minutes a night. But then if you
spell him with on that is a true five. He's
big that could give you like another twelve to fifteen
minutes a night. Another the big thing about Onmed, which
I think we'll start to see really with Arizona. Like
one of the things that gave me pause about this
Bou teams that teams could really just if they had
big front lines, they could bully Bou inside, like we
saw that against Yukon, Like they just kind of bullied
you inside cleansing that first half. They have a big
front line, they were able to bully Bou inside. And
I look to the future like Arizona has really good
big with Tobya Waka, with CoA Pete, some of their
big front line. If you played like a Michigan in
the NCAA tournament, like a team you could see in
the final four there have as big as a front
line anyone perdue always a very big front line. So
to me, that's kind of like that would before Onhmed
was like ruled out like be able to play the
back half of the That was probably my biggest concern
with the team, just like that was like the matchup
and now you had ONMD like six foot ten, like
he has a true set like seven point seven true
seven three wings band like it's been like verified, like
measured at the euro event last year. That helps a lot,
Like because Keba, like obviously Keble is like a good
red protector, but he can't really bing with some of
those big guys like Ahmed has like the mask to
take take like be a red protector, take a driver
in the chest and not just be back playing in
some of those teams. And you play Arizona next week
and some of those big teams, like that's gonna help
a lot. So that that really shorts things up. So
he's gonna be a big part. I mean, Hilo is
gonna play like it's funny. I mean, how like he
has said like a player to every game and you're
just like, what is he even doing? But then you'll
like then you'll just han a three, get a big rebound.
You're like, okay, but like he's gonna play because like
teams have to guard him even though like percentage isn't great.
I've been talking to people like teams have to respect
and like Boop is gonna being Boop is gonna be
a really good player. For by the reason was in
front of him right now, and like in the pick
and order when buy is all healthy, it's because Kevin
Young values spacing really more than anything, and the highlow
teams have to account for him where boops then he
gets off insive rebounds of Husele plays his motors great.
He just kind of congests the floor, and Kevin Young
is like, hey, any guys to space, So that's what
it's gonna be. Probably he's two main guys, and then
it gives you some size, so then you could slide
aj down to the three of Riche at the two,
Rob at the one, and then just those guys are
probably like thirty six plus minutes a game. You hope
like Reuss could come stell in there, but I think, yeah,
like AT's gonna play a lot Mihala's parating beat every
day and then boop, depending on like matchups and stuff.
He probably goes in there and you hope mares could
find his shot, but that's probably a buy's bench is
mostly going to look like and like competitive games restricted.
Speaker 3: Man, I was hoping for another expansion, but it seems
like it's going to be restricted. But what's your level
of confidence that Mahilo in the next six weeks can
really get into groove.
Speaker 2: I guess it's like, I think he's a guy if
you want to score like eight points every night from three, No,
that's just not like what he is. Like he's gonna
have like we saw the Iowa State game lush and
in the Big Twelve tournament he could get you right
into a game, get four threes. But Kansas State game
he had good. But then he has some games it's
like does he remember how to play basketball? And I
mean that like with all like just like I said that, I
was just kind of smiling a little bit. That's just
the highly he plays with his hair on fire, and
I think that's what's great about he has like all
the passions. So like I think he has gotten more consistent,
like he's he's big, Like he's been pretty good on
the glass, like he has been hitting shots. So as
far as like like he's not going to be like
a contender by any means for Big twelve six Men
of the Year, but he seems like he's starting to
like kind of get into that groove. So there's still
be plays here and there and he's like, what what
the heck are you doing? But that I think, I
do think more often than not, he's gonna be an
asset more than a liability, like because he side of
the floor for floor spacing, can hit threes like Kevin
Nikes his defense, So I feel like pretty good that
he could be like a contributor the rest of the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need I need at least like one.
Speaker 3: One or two games where I'm kind of blown away
like a I don't like a DeMarcus Harrison game where
he like you know, dropped like fifteen or something. I'm
trying to remember the particular game when he was at BYU,
but he was kind of like, yeah, he had like
twelve versus Iona, you know what I mean, Like, hey, yeah,
two or four. I think it was like a Michael
Lloyd game early in his career before he ended up
having to transfer and stuff like that, where he had
had like this.
Speaker 1: All star performance.
Speaker 3: That's the type of performance I need for him, just
out of the blue. Yeah, in an NCAA tournament game.
Speaker 2: Like he'll probably have like oh I was like a
Mexican's Arizona. He'll be four or five from three and
then he'll fall and then he'll fall all that up.
He plays Kansas, he plays eight minutes, has three turnovers,
and he's oh four, Like that's kind of that's probably
what happened. But I in all seriously, like I like,
like I'm not trying to like hype up me Hyla
by like Kevin Young, like I mean kind of out
of necessity. He has to trust him a little bit.
He has lots of basketball experience, Like he's twenty two,
he did play like like EuroPro ball for a couple
of years. Like he's got size, so like he does
do good things, but he's not Like if you have
to rely on him, obviously you're in trouble. But like,
I think he can be a positive for this team.
And honestly, I think he has been despite his lapses
and things. You're like kind of scratching your head out sometimes.
Speaker 1: Robbie mccomb's ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: How do you see this Texas Tech game playing out?
Speaker 2: Yes, I did. I did a full preview. I'm thinking
the full I pulished a couple hours ago. People won't
kind of read kind of my per fascinating game, Like, honestly,
it's high at top end talent and you're seeing a
college basketbab obviously have Bo's Big Three, and for Texas Tech,
you have the JD top in raining Big twelve player,
you're Christian Anderson, who it thinks, like I said, the
best point guard in the Big twelve. Texas second is interesting,
Like they have even less depth than BYU. Like I
looked at this, I was looking at ken Pom like
out of their top ten, bottom ten in benchments and
all caused basketball and have all Power Conference teams, they're
dead last in bench minutes, Like they essentially play like
if we think BYU short, like they play even shorter,
like Christian Anderson's going to play all forty minutes. They
put it much ran a six man rotation. It's well
at it. Heal three like their starting center he's been
out the past month, and if he comes back this game,
he's a really good shot blocker. But like if he
does come back, a probably will be limited. So assuming
he's out, like you got JT. Topp and playing the five,
who can't play the five, but it's out of position.
But look, even the guys that they do have is
really good. They're in Big twelve play, which is everyone's
played four games so far, but number one and three
point shooting percentage. They shoot the second most threes in
Big twelve play. They're on the glass really good, so
they do things really good. I think the places where boy,
you could get them, they don't go to, like the
foul line a lot, and they shoot the least amount
of free throws in the Big twe in the Big twelve.
So in some ways they're lived by the three, died
by the three. Not quite so much because top is
so good on the interior and they still didn't make
a lot of threes. But like if three ball is
not going like they can't, they are very susceptible because
that's a big part of their offense. One thing that's
interesting at the beginning of the year, I think a
lot of people are saying on Big Weekend this the
Buy's offensive rebounding bo is the best offensive rebounding team
in the Big Twelve through four games. Like B's rebounding
forty percent of their misses through four Big Twelve games,
which is a lot. Texas Tech, on the other hand,
they allow the least amount of offense to rebound, so
reboundings that's going to be a big part of this game.
I picked by two in this game, Like the final
score person is eighty five eighty three. Like again, I
think this is a toss up game. The Vegas line
like represents that Texas like texasbout two and a half
point favorite, where I kind of like BUYU. I think
do A is going to be very aggressive with aj
early on. Like Texas Tech, they do not want to
foul because they have that really short rotation. They really
don't have anyone to play the five like that they
trust behind JT. So I would expect Buick Kevin Young
to put de Bonsen Barritt just attacking the paint early on.
And even if JT. Toplin doesn't pick up a ton
of like you good one or two early fouls, like,
they're not going to take him out of the game,
but they're not gonna want He's not going to be
very aggressive protecting the rim. If he's not protecting the rim,
that just opens up Bua's whole offense. Robert I could
get in the paint, AJ could get in the paint,
So I think Boy is really going to do that.
Like Texas Tech isn't very long, Buoy is a longer
team than them, but I guess said Texas Tech unbelievable
shooting team, the best offensive team. Buoy's plays so far
like high end talent. They I think they're more high
in talent than Yukon, even though Yukon's a better team,
like with Toppin and Anderson, so like they're an incredibly
hard team, like I could easily see them winning, but
I just think with like BUA was like, there's ways
I think bu is kind of scheme to play this team.
They could get and then get into the foul trouble,
which I think will really open up again. Like Tech buy,
I think Texas Tech they're gonna make threes of this game,
but BUE has shown like that Kansas State game, Kansas
State was top ten the country three point shooting. They
allowed Kansas State to shoot three twenty one foot three.
I think Buoy could slid down Texas like Jeffson enough
from the outside, and I think Buoy could. I think
Buey could squeak out with a win here which would
be huge. M give BUA like a top tier quad
one one on the road, which would buy is missing
right now.
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