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<v Speaker 1>We have covered some pretty strange cases over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of this podcast, and today's case, though solved, still earns

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<v Speaker 1>a place amongst one of the most strangest cases that

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<v Speaker 1>we have ever come across. It's the story of twin

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<v Speaker 1>sisters who, for one reason or another, seems to go

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<v Speaker 1>insane at the very same time. In what was described

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<v Speaker 1>as potentially fueled by drugs, the two sisters ran straight

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<v Speaker 1>into busy highway traffic, endangering their own lives. Though they

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<v Speaker 1>narrowly survived, one sister would continue her delusion and would

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<v Speaker 1>take her as far as murdering a complete stranger. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the bizarre and strange story of the Ericsson sisters.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas is over and the new Year is on its way.

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<v Speaker 1>We hope you guys had a merry Christmas, a happy holiday,

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<v Speaker 1>all that good stuff. We were pretty busy on ours,

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna lie, but it was good.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we were. We really chilled, especially on

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas Well Day, Christmas Day, Christmas Day, yes, but there

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<v Speaker 2>was still like a lot of Christmas dinner making, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's and there was still a lot of hustle

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<v Speaker 1>and bustle about it, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Our turkey wasn't done until nine, yeah, on Christmas Day.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what exactly we were doing there.

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<v Speaker 1>The math apparently didn't work out for how how long

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<v Speaker 1>you cook it per a kilogram of the turkey. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it took a lot longer than we expected. You're hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to have dinner around like seven, no thirty insteads But.

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<v Speaker 2>It was delicious. It was worth the way it was.

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<v Speaker 1>We did like turkey of course stuffing. We had some

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<v Speaker 1>some roasted vegetables like yams or with sweet potato. What's

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<v Speaker 1>the difference between.

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<v Speaker 2>A yam and a I think yes, I don't really know,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was sweet potato and Brussels broke okay, with

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<v Speaker 2>like a cranberry glaze.

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<v Speaker 1>It was real good. It was delicious. Yes, So hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>you guys had some good eats over your Christmas holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>And we did a giveaway over on Patreon, which we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do the official announcement of the winners yet or

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<v Speaker 1>contact the winners just because you know, hey, Christmas, but

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<v Speaker 1>we did a little pre show podcast that we do sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>and we talked about who the winners were, so they're

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<v Speaker 1>technically announced, but we didn't do the official post yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but we did a little Christmas giveaway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah there. Yeah, you know it's the time of year,

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<v Speaker 2>tis the season, right the season.

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<v Speaker 1>I am looking forward to things going back to normal

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<v Speaker 1>in the new year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, a new year. New Year's are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of nice. Sometimes it's just like a like a fresh start.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. I mean, a fresh start can happen anytime.

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<v Speaker 2>On totallykend, but it's it's I guess it's amplified, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think for us like it comes with that,

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<v Speaker 1>like the new year is coming at a very convenient

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<v Speaker 1>time for a fresh start. Yes, because we moved our

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<v Speaker 1>tiny home recently where you know, we're building a new

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<v Speaker 1>coop for our chickens. We're on some new area and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of busyness is coming to an end, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that twenty twenty five for us is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a good way to get right back on track,

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<v Speaker 1>get things normalized, and you know, just just do our thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So yeah, it's going to be good.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it will be. Yeah, what's your favorite thing

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<v Speaker 1>you got for Christmas, which I'm just going to say

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<v Speaker 1>from me, what's your favorite thing you got from me

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<v Speaker 1>for Christmas?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man? Probably the shoes that you got me.

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<v Speaker 1>The shoes, okay, well yeah, cause we.

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<v Speaker 2>Were just doing stockings this year, and so like a

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<v Speaker 2>pair of shoes isn't really you know, expected in a

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<v Speaker 2>stalking right well, and I freaking love shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>So technically they didn't fit in the stocking.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't. It was like outside of the stalking, but

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<v Speaker 2>still I really like shoes and their comfy and they

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<v Speaker 2>fit perfect, and it was like, damn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's nothing wrong with keeping it simple and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>low budget. That's kind of what we did. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think one of the favorite things I got from you

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<v Speaker 1>was my Jones Cream soda. Really, yes, I love Jones's.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so say it one year because I like struggled

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<v Speaker 2>with this. I can't always find it for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>That's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you would be noticed and be like upset? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, but you'd be like, oh damn, I could

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<v Speaker 2>use a Jones Cream soda right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I'd go buy one. I know, there's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man? I thought it was going to be like

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<v Speaker 2>the gloves or the the silicon measuring cups. I gave you.

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<v Speaker 1>Touche because I do some like arts projects inside those

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<v Speaker 1>measuring cups are perfect, and it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Really excited about those.

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<v Speaker 1>The new work gloves, yes, love them. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just there's something about that Jones's cream soda. I

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<v Speaker 1>love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you don't have it very often.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't really buy it for myself. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was good. I hopefully you guys, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>had a great Christmas and holiday, and hopefully your new

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<v Speaker 1>year coming up is going to be even better and

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<v Speaker 1>just all around fantastic because you deserve it absolutely. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So should we get into the case today rather than

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the holidays and everything?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people might be holidayed out and they just want to, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, vege and listen to this good call.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I've got a coffee in hand, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>ready to talk about this case. This is a weird one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie. It's just this case is weird,

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<v Speaker 1>flat out. I don't know how else to describe it,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm not going to try. It's weird, okay, period.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean done from the intro. It sounded a bit odd.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's odder than you will expect from the intro.

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<v Speaker 1>I gave some things away. I gave the main plot away, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but things that happen in nuances about how it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fucking weird. And like I said, it is a

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<v Speaker 1>solved case, but that doesn't mean there's not mystery about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, Okay, I'm intrigued.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm gonna take a sip of coffee. Let's do

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<v Speaker 1>this thing so good? Okay. So everything began on the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteenth of May in two thousand and eight in Mallow,

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<v Speaker 1>County Cork, sorry malle Mallow in County Cork, Ireland. There

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<v Speaker 1>we go.

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<v Speaker 2>You just laughed, you mess up right away, and just hot.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I messed up bad, like right in the

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<v Speaker 1>first sentence. So I guess that's just set in the

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<v Speaker 1>tone for you know how twenty twenty twenty five is

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<v Speaker 1>going to start going for me? Probably?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just have okay, really really quickly. My friend

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<v Speaker 2>gave I don't know if she's going to listen to this,

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<v Speaker 2>she may, but she gave us a Christmas card and

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, May your twenty twenty six be bright

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and I was like, dude, you're a year ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so let me start that over again. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>began on the sixteenth of May two thousand and eight

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<v Speaker 1>in Mallow, which is the county Cork in Ireland.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The weather on this particular day felm, you know, quintessentially Irish,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least that's how Chatchypt described it when I

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<v Speaker 1>asked about the weather for this date to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>set the scene, which quintessentially Irish, I guess is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's cool, with temperatures hovering between eight and fourteen degrees

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<v Speaker 1>celsius or about forty seven to fifty eight degrees fahrenheit.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's what Chatchypt defines as quint essentially Irish. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But it was the sort of spring day where a

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<v Speaker 1>light jacket was a must. Clouds hung over in the

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<v Speaker 1>low sky, leaving everything soft and muted tones, with a

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<v Speaker 1>rain inevitable for the light, rain inevitable for the evening.

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<v Speaker 1>Self is nestled on the banks of the river Blackwater

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<v Speaker 1>and carries an old worth, an old world charm about

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of blends seamlessly into the modern day. Buzz.

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<v Speaker 1>It's known as the Crossroads of Munster. The town has

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<v Speaker 1>always been a meeting place Epton history and stories as well,

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<v Speaker 1>but now in two thousand and eight, Mallow has evolved

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<v Speaker 1>into a lively market town, and on this particular day,

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<v Speaker 1>Ursula Erickson went to visit her sister Sabina. Not a

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<v Speaker 1>whole on has been released on the women's earlier life,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do know that they were both born on

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<v Speaker 1>the third of November in nineteen sixty seven in Sweden

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<v Speaker 1>and were identical twins. They grew up alongside their older

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<v Speaker 1>siblings Mona and Bjorn. They enjoyed what could typically be

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<v Speaker 1>described as a peaceful childhood within Sweden. There wasn't any

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<v Speaker 1>records of mental health issues in their background, nor in

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<v Speaker 1>their family, nor did they even have a criminal background themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So forwarding to the year two thousand, the sister's gone

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<v Speaker 1>their separate ways, at least geographically, with Ursula settling in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States while Sabina had moved to Ireland, where

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<v Speaker 1>she started a family. Now according to reports, Ursula occasionally

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<v Speaker 1>traveled from Ireland or sorry traveled to Ireland from the

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<v Speaker 1>US to visit her family's sister, right and the two

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<v Speaker 1>were described as being on good terms during this time.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's absolutely nothing strange or weird. You know, one

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<v Speaker 1>lives in the US, one lives in the Ireland or

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<v Speaker 1>in the Ireland in Ireland, and one travels, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to go see the other from time to time. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>on this particular day that I mentioned and describe the

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<v Speaker 1>weather and all that sort of thing, that's exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Ursula was headed over to visit Sabina in Ireland. So

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<v Speaker 1>she made her way to her sister's place for this visit,

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<v Speaker 1>and after staying and visiting for a few hours, Sabina

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<v Speaker 1>eventually began having a bit of an argument or a

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<v Speaker 1>fight if you will, with her husband. It's unclear and

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what the argument was about or what started it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was enough for Sabina to leave her home

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<v Speaker 1>with Ursula. So the two actually secretly left the home

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<v Speaker 1>without her husband knowing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, okay, yeah, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't tell Sabina's husband, They didn't say a word. They

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<v Speaker 1>just left him and her two kids behind.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Sabina, sorry, is the one that lives in Ireland.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct Sabina is the one who's there, So she left

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<v Speaker 1>her her husband and kids at home and just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of snuck out of the house with her sister Ursula. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's all we really know. Now. Sabina's husband was,

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<v Speaker 1>of course concerned when you know his wife was suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>just gone, right, and he didn't hear anything from her

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, her sister as well, So he's just like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on, no word for the remain of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>and he went to bed without knowing where she went.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's like stressful, it is, especially when you have

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<v Speaker 2>kids and stuff too, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, wow, hundred percent. And I don't know if he

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<v Speaker 1>did call anything into authorities, but even if he did,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a whole lot that can be done. I mean, right,

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<v Speaker 1>she's an adult who just left the house. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>had a bit of an argument. She left the house

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<v Speaker 1>with her sister. Cool story, bro, Like, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do about She's not a missing person. Yeah, she's

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, right, more time would have to have passed exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. The next day, two sisters, the two sisters made

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<v Speaker 1>their way to try and purchase two boarding passes. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember Sabina's home was in Ireland, but now By

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<v Speaker 1>some approximate four hundred miles away depending on exactly you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the sake the argument, approximately four hundred miles away. The

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<v Speaker 1>the women got off the bus to use a batanus.

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<v Speaker 1>They were not feeling too well. However, reportedly they were

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<v Speaker 1>exhibiting some odd behavior after exiting the bus, and the

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<v Speaker 1>As a result of the odd behavior, the bus driver

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, they must have like definitely been acting odd.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they were certainly acting odd, and to the extent

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<v Speaker 1>of what odd behavior really is, We're not certain, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was enough for the bus driver to say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of for the safety of like the other passengers.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming most likely themselves exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, do you want to clarify I did say

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<v Speaker 1>highway earlier, because I'm gonna be talking about this section

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<v Speaker 1>on out because that's what it's actually labeled as. Right

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<v Speaker 1>So here at this station, which is kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a gas station, convenience store kind of situation as far

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm aware, the manager then also made a phone

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<v Speaker 1>call to police to report two strange women behaving erratically.

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<v Speaker 1>So clearly there is some odd behavior because it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just the bus driver's perspective and maybe the passengers, but

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<v Speaker 1>we also have this manager at the service station who

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and it's obviously quite noticeable too. If that

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<v Speaker 2>many people are, you know, take an action exactly now.

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<v Speaker 1>Officers soon arrived at the service station and spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>both of the women. However, after a while, the police

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<v Speaker 1>left because they found nothing harmful about the women. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they were just acting odd or whatever, but in their

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<v Speaker 1>be Shortly after the officers left, the two women decided

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<v Speaker 1>that they were going to make their way on foot

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<v Speaker 1>out into the traffic on the busy motorway. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I mean busy, I mean yes, busy, like think of

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<v Speaker 1>a Frogger game, Like there's cars constantly going and you're

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<v Speaker 1>in and out trying to cross. Right. CCTV footage was

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<v Speaker 1>pulled and there is footage of them running through traffic

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<v Speaker 1>erratically and narrowly, narrowly escaping life threatening situations.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of just like going, not really necessarily waiting,

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<v Speaker 2>just like yes, going through, yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And reportedly they were trying to cross this this motorway

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<v Speaker 1>for one reason or another. I'm assuming to try and

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<v Speaker 1>get to Liverpool, to their destination, but they had kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like no real care for how this was going

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<v Speaker 1>to turn out. They're just like, well we got to cross,

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<v Speaker 1>let's cross.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh. That's terrifying because I've been on some of these

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<v Speaker 2>like busy highways and shit, and that's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty possible, like quite possible that you could get hit.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it is, especially because it's not only a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, you jump out into heavy traffic and

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<v Speaker 1>you know what you're going fast, hard to break. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of there's other vehicles blocking view exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so you may not even see them. You

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<v Speaker 2>would and you wouldn't be expecting that either.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. I've been in a situation, this is quite a

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<v Speaker 1>few years ago, I think I've told you about it,

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<v Speaker 1>where I almost hit someone because someone darted out in

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<v Speaker 1>front and they they were being blocked by another vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was a left lane beside me that was

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<v Speaker 1>in a turning lane, and that lane was all backed up,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was going straight through, so I was to

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<v Speaker 1>the right of them. So they were backed up and stopped,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was coming through going about fifty kilometers an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Green light, I'm just going. And then someone darted through

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<v Speaker 1>that left turning lane that was stationary, right into my lane,

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<v Speaker 1>and they saw me and they stopped and like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like when you like suck your belly into like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>miss like a table or something going back. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the edge of my truck. Like they sucked themselves

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<v Speaker 1>in and just I barely got by.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, in their life just flashed like what is

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<v Speaker 2>this saying?

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<v Speaker 1>Flash before they're eyes. Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty much the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the sort of thing these women are doing willingly,

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<v Speaker 1>just going out trying to cross this road.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, police were soon called back to the scene to

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<v Speaker 1>try and deal with the escalating events. But just as

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<v Speaker 1>it so happened, the officers to respond that day were

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<v Speaker 1>actually being followed by a camera crew who were in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of filming a TV series about British transport police.

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<v Speaker 1>So the camera crew was filming the entire following events,

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<v Speaker 1>and little did they know that this public disturbance call

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<v Speaker 1>would soon turn into something absolutely horrific. Police managed to

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<v Speaker 1>catch up to Sabina and Ursula on the side of

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<v Speaker 1>the motorway. The footage captured shows them being spoken to

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<v Speaker 1>as everyone tries to figure out the exact situation. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment, things take a turn for the worse.

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<v Speaker 1>For no apparent reason whatsoever, Ursula makes a mad dash

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<v Speaker 1>from the side of the road into the heavy on

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<v Speaker 1>coming traffic.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>The officer speaking with her tries to grab her but

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<v Speaker 1>is unable to stop her, and she strides out into

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<v Speaker 1>the lanes and she is hit and run over by

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<v Speaker 1>a large cargo truck, one that, by my estimation is

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<v Speaker 1>approximately twenty to twenty five feet long, that is traveling

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<v Speaker 1>approximately fifty miles an hour or eighty kilometers an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, So she like she's done.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming the truck hits her, runs her over, and

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<v Speaker 1>crushes her legs. Police are horrified, man, and they begin

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<v Speaker 1>calling for an ambulance on their radios before the truck

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<v Speaker 1>has even come to a complete stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, what the actual hell is happening here?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Now, the worst thing is if you actually go

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<v Speaker 1>back and watch this footage because it is on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Really, the thing is, though, there's like

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<v Speaker 1>the footage doesn't actually show how much graphicness because there's

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<v Speaker 1>a few police in front of the camera. So you

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<v Speaker 1>see her dart out, but you don't actually see her

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<v Speaker 1>get hit. But you can see a bit of her

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<v Speaker 1>laying under the truck at one point. But so you

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<v Speaker 1>if you watch his footage, you can see her face.

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<v Speaker 1>She runs out into traffic. She's looking at oncoming traffic

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<v Speaker 1>as she runs into it. She knowingly fucking runs into

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<v Speaker 1>this truck.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh geez. Okay, so okay, I'll just say you continue.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, within all of this chaos, her sister Sabina followed

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<v Speaker 1>her sister's lead and ran into oncoming traffic as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Police were just I mean, they were just moments earlier

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how Sabina had already got knocked down by

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<v Speaker 1>a red car that was parked on the side of

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<v Speaker 1>the road. Don't think it was too serious, but she

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<v Speaker 1>had already got knocked down by a red car and

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<v Speaker 1>now she is facing the full force of another car

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<v Speaker 1>that she and she was hit head on by a

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<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen Polo, smashing the windshield and caving in the roof.

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<v Speaker 2>What the shit? Yeah, okay, I mean, I know, like

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<v Speaker 2>police officers and stuff, they see a lot, but like

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<v Speaker 2>this would just be mind blowing. There would be there

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<v Speaker 2>would be just no, I don't know, no expectation of

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<v Speaker 2>this happening in your day, No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And this came out of nowhere because like they're not

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<v Speaker 1>restraining these two girls in the cuddy. Yeah, they're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>here talking to them, trying to figure out what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and then just in the blink of an eye, it

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<v Speaker 1>just happens and they run out, both of them, looking

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<v Speaker 1>at oncoming traffic too.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like something has to be happening within their

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<v Speaker 2>family or or something for this this to be. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. It's very confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's very confusing. I'll tell you that. Now. Both

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<v Speaker 1>women were unconscious when paramedics arrived at the scene. Ursula

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<v Speaker 1>woke up first, her legs both badly crushed in the

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<v Speaker 1>truck that she had literally been run over by. She

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<v Speaker 1>repeatedly began biting, scratching, and fending off paramedics as she

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<v Speaker 1>resisted treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, she's lucky to be alive.

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<v Speaker 1>She is. She didn't seem to care about her injuries,

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<v Speaker 1>though in fact, she almost didn't even seemed to notice

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<v Speaker 1>that she was injured at all, and it was reported

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<v Speaker 1>that she seemed to feel no pain whatsoever, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was in critical condition. Meanwhile, her sister, Sabina, regained consciousness

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<v Speaker 1>as well and began resisting paramedics too. She reportedly screamed

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<v Speaker 1>to her sister, they want to sorry, they will steal

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<v Speaker 1>your organs, though I could not find that in the

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<v Speaker 1>video footage I scene. It does seem to be edited

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<v Speaker 1>a bit, but it is reported that this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that she screamed to her sister. They will steal your organs. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if that hasn't been bizarre enough. Sabina after being hit

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<v Speaker 1>by a car at high speed and lost consciousness for

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<v Speaker 1>approximately fifteen minutes. She got to her feet. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>she got wrapped by Yeah, she got to her feet,

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<v Speaker 1>began fighting paramedics and officers and I mean literally throwing

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<v Speaker 1>punches before trying to run. Initially, she did get away,

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<v Speaker 1>and she jumped over the barricade into the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the motorway, back into traffic, but police managed to

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<v Speaker 1>get everything, you know, safe, so there's no oncoming traffic.

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<v Speaker 1>They stopped traffic, okay, and they quickly followed her and

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<v Speaker 1>tried to restrain her. However, it took six officers to

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<v Speaker 1>finally restrain her, and she had to be sedated and

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<v Speaker 1>tranquilized to finally get under control.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA Okay, before you say anything, I just got yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I just got one more thing to add to it

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<v Speaker 2>before we kind of discuss that.

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<v Speaker 1>Officers remarked, the ones who were like restraining her, they

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<v Speaker 1>re marked on her incredible strength and that she showed

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<v Speaker 1>especially for someone who had just been hit by a

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<v Speaker 1>car I mean technically not once, but twice, and many

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<v Speaker 1>of them agreed that she must have had a drug

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<v Speaker 1>or something in her system because it was unnatural and

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<v Speaker 1>the only time they found the strength and someone before

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<v Speaker 1>was when they were fucking high.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's what I was literally going to say,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they are there's either something that is like some

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<v Speaker 2>family issue maybe that they're running from or something, or

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<v Speaker 2>they are on like some serious drugs that is just

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<v Speaker 2>making them make some interesting decisions. Let's say.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and there was a lot of theories regarding much

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<v Speaker 1>of that, and we can talk about it a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit at the end because there's some more information I

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<v Speaker 1>want to input into that before we really dive into it.

421
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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there's no one who can really say definitively

422
00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:23.759
<v Speaker 1>one way or another. Let's just put it that way

423
00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:27.240
<v Speaker 1>for now. So the two sisters were taken to hospital

424
00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:31.039
<v Speaker 1>for evaluation after this incident, and remarkably, despite everything they

425
00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:34.359
<v Speaker 1>had been through, Sabina, the one who was initially hit

426
00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:37.640
<v Speaker 1>and woke up after fifteen minutes, came out with only

427
00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:38.680
<v Speaker 1>minor injuries.

428
00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Like, is that the one that had her legs run over? Sorry?

429
00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:47.400
<v Speaker 1>No, no, okay, Ursula okay, okay, Ursula is in critical condition. Okay,

430
00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:49.079
<v Speaker 1>being is the one who got up and fought and

431
00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:50.680
<v Speaker 1>she was unconscious of right, but.

432
00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.480
<v Speaker 2>She she like damaged someone's windshield and shit, like.

433
00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:58.480
<v Speaker 1>The windshield was shattered though, like when like vehicle windows,

434
00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:00.400
<v Speaker 1>they have a film that keeps them like in place,

435
00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:02.440
<v Speaker 1>so they don't like break into a million pieces usually.

436
00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:05.319
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it was like completely caved in and even

437
00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:07.160
<v Speaker 1>part of the roof was carved in on this vehicle.

438
00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:08.880
<v Speaker 2>So that, yeah, that is a heavy hit.

439
00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so she would like the vehicle is probably going

440
00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming maybe sixty kilometers now or something like that.

441
00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:18.720
<v Speaker 1>That's my estimate because the truck was going about eighty

442
00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:21.759
<v Speaker 1>kilometers an hour hit someone and then so this vehicle

443
00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:24.400
<v Speaker 1>would have been slowing down when her sister got hit,

444
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.799
<v Speaker 1>but it were very quick succession, so maybe let's degrade

445
00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:30.079
<v Speaker 1>it by twenty kilometers, say sixty kilometers an hour. She

446
00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:36.000
<v Speaker 1>got hit, okay at my estimation. Yeah, yeah, so Sabina, yeah,

447
00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:39.079
<v Speaker 1>only had minor injuries and she was quickly released into

448
00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:43.400
<v Speaker 1>police custody from medical care. Now, once in police care,

449
00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Sabina's behavior took an even stranger turn. You'd expect someone

450
00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:49.039
<v Speaker 1>to be shaken up after being hit by a vehicle

451
00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:51.720
<v Speaker 1>and with witnessing her sister get hit and her legs

452
00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:55.759
<v Speaker 1>crushed from under the truck, but Sabina seems eerily calm.

453
00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:59.119
<v Speaker 1>She seemed very composed, and none of what had happened

454
00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:01.640
<v Speaker 1>seemed to have phased her. In fact, she even showed

455
00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:05.799
<v Speaker 1>no sign of concern for her sister whatsoever. And even

456
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:07.680
<v Speaker 1>like if you look back on that motorway when I

457
00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:10.440
<v Speaker 1>said that, she looked at traffic when she ran out

458
00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:14.039
<v Speaker 1>as well, she didn't follow her sister into traffic to

459
00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:17.000
<v Speaker 1>help her. She followed suit and what her sister was doing.

460
00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Speaker 1>And even when she was hit, when she woke up,

461
00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:22.079
<v Speaker 1>she may have shouted to her sister, tried to communicate

462
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:23.920
<v Speaker 1>with her, but she had no concern of her sister

463
00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:33.799
<v Speaker 1>being injured, not whatsoever. Okay, wow, Yeah, So, after spending

464
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the weekend in police custody, Sabina appeared in court and

465
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:42.519
<v Speaker 1>pleaded guilty to highway trespassing and assaulting a police officer.

466
00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:46.559
<v Speaker 1>Her sentence was just one day in jail, which she

467
00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>had already served, so she was released immediately. Authorities deemed

468
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:53.759
<v Speaker 1>her to pose no risk to the public and so

469
00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:55.680
<v Speaker 1>she was just right back out there.

470
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:57.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's the right decision.

471
00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, I agree, because there was one glaring issue. At

472
00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:06.720
<v Speaker 1>no point during her time in custody or at the hospital,

473
00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Sabina did not undergo any sort of psychiatric evaluation, and

474
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:13.759
<v Speaker 1>despite this oversight, she was sent right back out into

475
00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:17.640
<v Speaker 1>the world Oh dang so. Once released, Sabina began wandering

476
00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:20.319
<v Speaker 1>the streets, reportedly trying to find out which hospital her

477
00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:23.559
<v Speaker 1>sister had been admitted to. She carried a clear plastic

478
00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:26.599
<v Speaker 1>bag still from the police station, which contained all her

479
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.240
<v Speaker 1>belongings at the time, and she kind of looked somewhat

480
00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:34.599
<v Speaker 1>out of place roaming aimlessly, and it wasn't long before

481
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:38.160
<v Speaker 1>two local men noticed her. Glenn Hallings had a fifty

482
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>eight or sorry fifty four year old welder and his

483
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:44.440
<v Speaker 1>friend Peter molloy. They spotted Sabina and approached her to

484
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:46.279
<v Speaker 1>see if she needed help and if she was okay.

485
00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Sabina greeted them warmly, even crouched down to pat Glenn's

486
00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>dog as they were out for a walk with his dog,

487
00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:57.400
<v Speaker 1>and she seemed friendly. She was approachable. However, Peter did

488
00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:01.160
<v Speaker 1>later recall feeling a little bit uneasy. While was talkative

489
00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.079
<v Speaker 1>and polite, she also appeared a bit jittery and nervous,

490
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.400
<v Speaker 1>which put him on edge and made him a bit

491
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:07.640
<v Speaker 1>nervous Okay.

492
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:09.960
<v Speaker 2>At first, I was like, oh, please, let these two

493
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.240
<v Speaker 2>men be good now.

494
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:15.440
<v Speaker 1>During their conversation, Sabina asked if they knew any nearby

495
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.079
<v Speaker 1>hotels or maybe some bed and breakfasts where she could

496
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.559
<v Speaker 1>find a place to stay for a night. Glenn, believing

497
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Sabina to be harmless and just down on her luck,

498
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:26.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe not having the money at the moment, or whatever

499
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:28.680
<v Speaker 1>it was, he decided he was going to lend a hand.

500
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.480
<v Speaker 1>He offered her a place to stay at his home

501
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:32.359
<v Speaker 1>on Duke Street.

502
00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, it wasn't.

503
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Too far away, and he's thinking, you know, it was

504
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:37.480
<v Speaker 1>a nice thing and the right thing to do for someone.

505
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:42.759
<v Speaker 1>Sabina was grateful for Glenn's offer and quickly accepted his hospitality.

506
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Once at his home, she began to relax a little

507
00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:50.200
<v Speaker 1>and explained she was looking for her sister in a hospital. However,

508
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.880
<v Speaker 1>her story was a bit vague. She didn't really provide

509
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:55.759
<v Speaker 1>much information or even clarity. I guess you could say

510
00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:57.720
<v Speaker 1>on why her sister was in the hospital in the

511
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:00.839
<v Speaker 1>first place, but I mean, it's not there. Their placed

512
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:04.160
<v Speaker 1>to dig too much information, so Glenn didn't really ask.

513
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:07.759
<v Speaker 1>Inside Glenn's house, he offered her a drink and assured

514
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:09.559
<v Speaker 1>her that in the morning he'd helped her track down

515
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:10.079
<v Speaker 1>her sister.

516
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Now.

517
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Peter, who had joined them for the evening, later recalled

518
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:17.519
<v Speaker 1>that Sabina seemed calm that many moments. Her nervousness, though,

519
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.960
<v Speaker 1>did keep resurfacing. She frequently was looking out the window,

520
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>almost like she was waiting for something or expecting something,

521
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.640
<v Speaker 1>leaving Peter to suspect she might have been fleeing an

522
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:28.799
<v Speaker 1>abusive relationship.

523
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

524
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>As the evening went on, Sabina's behavior became increasingly strange.

525
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.039
<v Speaker 1>At one point, she offered both men cigarettes, only to

526
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:41.200
<v Speaker 1>snatch them back right out of their mouth, muttering they

527
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:42.359
<v Speaker 1>might be poisoned.

528
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit. Okay.

529
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Despite the odd tension in the air, Peter decided to

530
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 1>head home just before the midnight, leaving Glenn and Sabina

531
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>alone for the night, and from what he could gather,

532
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the two went to bed shortly afterwards, and everything seemed fine,

533
00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 1>though little odd.

534
00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, a little odd. I mean, what a nice person.

535
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.359
<v Speaker 2>There is just no way that I would be like

536
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:09.359
<v Speaker 2>offering this stranger a place to stay in my home.

537
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.519
<v Speaker 2>I would more so like, I think, pay for them

538
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:14.799
<v Speaker 2>to stay in like a hotel. Room or something. You know.

539
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, now, Glenn clearly has a fucking heart of goal.

540
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:20.680
<v Speaker 1>In all honesty, he takes her in. He's going to

541
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>help her find her sister.

542
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:22.680
<v Speaker 2>And like wow.

543
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Even the following day, Glenn spent the morning on

544
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the phone with his brother trying to locate the hospital

545
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:30.839
<v Speaker 1>where her sister Ursula might be.

546
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people like that are rare, they are.

547
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:36.759
<v Speaker 1>He even called around a few local hospitals in the

548
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.799
<v Speaker 1>hope of finding her, and everything seemed uneventful until later

549
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>in the evening, at around seven forty pm. And that's

550
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>when Glenn was in the middle of preparing dinner for

551
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:48.079
<v Speaker 1>the two of them. He realized he was out of

552
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.599
<v Speaker 1>tea bags, and being the friendly type, he stepped outside

553
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>to ask his neighbor for some help. They had some

554
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.799
<v Speaker 1>tea bags. The neighbor happily handed him a few tea

555
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.279
<v Speaker 1>bags and watched as Glenn went back and returned to

556
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.960
<v Speaker 1>his home. It was less than a minute later that

557
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 1>that peaceful evening turned into chaos. Glenn stumbled back out

558
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>of his house, this time bloodied and gravely injured, shouting quote,

559
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:15.279
<v Speaker 1>she stabbed me.

560
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, okay.

561
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:20.799
<v Speaker 1>And then he collapsed on the ground. His neighbor, who

562
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:24.279
<v Speaker 1>just gave him some tea bags, was horrified and immediately

563
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.799
<v Speaker 1>ran to the phone and called police. As Glenn lay motionless.

564
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh please tell me he's okay.

565
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>As this was all happening, Sabina bolted from the house

566
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:39.079
<v Speaker 1>and fled the scene. Surveillance cameras caught her sprinting down

567
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:43.440
<v Speaker 1>the street clutching a bloodied hammer in her hand. The

568
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>footage showed her periodically stopping to hit herself in the

569
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 1>head with a hammer as she ran as well.

570
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:49.279
<v Speaker 2>What the shit?

571
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>A passing driver witnessed this bizarre sight of a woman

572
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:55.359
<v Speaker 1>running down the road hitting herself in his head with

573
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.799
<v Speaker 1>a blunt object and tool, and then stopped. He managed

574
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:02.559
<v Speaker 1>to actually wrestle the hammer away from her to try

575
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:06.599
<v Speaker 1>and help her, but Sabina wasn't done. She pulled a

576
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 1>broken roof tile from her pocket and struck the man

577
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>on the head with it, stunning him just enough to

578
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>make her escape. Paramedics and police arrived quickly and began

579
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>searching for her. Sabina determined not to be caught easily.

580
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.319
<v Speaker 1>Like not to be caught easily. Sorry, I paused the

581
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>wrong moment there. Determined not to be caught easily took

582
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:30.039
<v Speaker 1>off once again, prompting a frantic chase through the area.

583
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Sabina made her way to a bridge, and at this

584
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:38.720
<v Speaker 1>intersection she made a decision. The police were chasing her,

585
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>and she looked over the edge. She climbed up on

586
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:46.599
<v Speaker 1>the railing and jumped off. Below her was a forty

587
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>foot free fall to a highway below.

588
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

589
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.519
<v Speaker 1>When she hit the pavement, she shattered her ankles upon

590
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:58.480
<v Speaker 1>first impact, and also as a repercussion, she fractured her skull.

591
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Quickly rushed her to hospital. Tragically, Glenn Halling's head did

592
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.079
<v Speaker 1>not survive his injuries.

593
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:12.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh seriously, hey, the wounds inflicted during the attack caused

594
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.640
<v Speaker 3>severe blood loss, and when he collapsed outside his home,

595
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:17.880
<v Speaker 3>he succumbed on the spot.

596
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.440
<v Speaker 2>So you have an actual, like I don't know, just

597
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:26.279
<v Speaker 2>like angel, human being and they they just die like that.

598
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:27.599
<v Speaker 1>Yep, she killed them.

599
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.759
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. So she's like now a murderer then, yes

600
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:36.319
<v Speaker 2>she is? Yeah, and like her jumping from forty feet

601
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:40.400
<v Speaker 2>like she's still fucking alive currently. Yeah, this is just

602
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:43.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, this is just this is bizarre. I

603
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:45.920
<v Speaker 2>don't even know what to say. It's I'm just sitting

604
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:47.720
<v Speaker 2>here on the edge of my seat literally, yeap.

605
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.559
<v Speaker 1>And remember this is at least a day later when

606
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:52.759
<v Speaker 1>she's released from hospital.

607
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, so spent one night there and she was

608
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>about to spend another before she killed Glenn or whatever.

609
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, she did spend another night at Glen's, and she

610
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.240
<v Speaker 1>was about to spend another, spent one in jail, went

611
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:07.519
<v Speaker 1>to court found she already served her time of one

612
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>night was the least spent another at Glen's hour in

613
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 1>the evening where she would be spending a potential.

614
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Third Okay, I see, So if.

615
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>There's any drugs in her system, it ain't there now.

616
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, unless who knows, so unless she has them

617
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.920
<v Speaker 2>somewhere and she's like repeatedly taking.

618
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.519
<v Speaker 1>Something potentially I did say earlier that they were clutching

619
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>their purses and bags quite.

620
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Closely, right you did.

621
00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:35.799
<v Speaker 1>Now. On June six, two thousand and eight, Sabina was

622
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>officially arrested while still recovering in hospital. She did survive.

623
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:44.759
<v Speaker 2>How there's shit did she survive? I know that is

624
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:49.200
<v Speaker 2>unfathomable to me, and what fathomable? There you go, But

625
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 2>someone would jump from forty feet like I was thinking,

626
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:56.200
<v Speaker 2>maybe if it was water, maybe, but like a fucking.

627
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.359
<v Speaker 1>Like concrete, concrete, the.

628
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Actual shit or she made what is she made of?

629
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 2>Like she doesn't seem human.

630
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:06.559
<v Speaker 1>I know. Two months later, on September eleventh, two thousand

631
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.559
<v Speaker 1>and eight, she was discharged in a wheelchair and immediately

632
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:13.119
<v Speaker 1>taken into police custody to face charges of the murder

633
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>that she had committed.

634
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

635
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:18.839
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Ursula, who had been recovering in the hospital as well,

636
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.319
<v Speaker 1>was released around the same time. She returned to Sweden

637
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:27.480
<v Speaker 1>and later resumed her life in the United States. Sabina,

638
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:32.119
<v Speaker 1>her trial faced significant delays. You look confused.

639
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm like confused by these fucking names a little bit.

640
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Sabina story is the one that had like the family

641
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>in Ireland and shit.

642
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Right correct? Okay, So Ursula did nothing more than run

643
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:43.960
<v Speaker 1>into traffic, hit by a.

644
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Truck and she she okay, but she choster like followed

645
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:51.039
<v Speaker 2>her afterwards though, right correct?

646
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, So Ursula was the one who got hit

647
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>by the truck, run over and her legs crushed. Yeah,

648
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Sabina was the one who got hit by a car

649
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.559
<v Speaker 1>and just got up, started fighting fucking pa and murdered someone.

650
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So she is sorry going back to the United

651
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.359
<v Speaker 2>States now, uh yeah, okay.

652
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah now. Sabina's trial faced significant delays. Initially, it was

653
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.480
<v Speaker 1>scheduled for February of two thousand and nine, it was

654
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>postponed until September of that year due to difficulties obtaining

655
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:24.559
<v Speaker 1>her medical records from the Swedish doctors, who cited privacy laws. However,

656
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:26.800
<v Speaker 1>they did get the information they needed, and when the

657
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>trial did finally begin, Sabina maintained an unsettling silence in court.

658
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:37.159
<v Speaker 1>She refused to explain or justify her actions whatsoever, nor

659
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.159
<v Speaker 1>did she respond to any questions during police interrogations or

660
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.360
<v Speaker 1>cross examination. Adding to the oddities, toxicology reports revealed that

661
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.719
<v Speaker 1>neither Sabina nor Ursula had any drugs or substances in

662
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 1>their system at the time. They were clean huh okay. Surprisingly,

663
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 1>the court never presented the footage of the sisters running

664
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.719
<v Speaker 1>into oncoming tra in the court, an event that could

665
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>have provided valuable context for Sabina's mental state, which, as

666
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned, that footage is very well, very well documented

667
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.639
<v Speaker 1>because they had a camera crew, a literal camera crew,

668
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.239
<v Speaker 1>following them. It's not like we're talking about CCTV footage,

669
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:21.679
<v Speaker 1>not bodycam footage. You have a camera crew on site

670
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:23.159
<v Speaker 1>filming this fucking happening.

671
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

672
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Now. During the trial, her defense argued that Sabina was

673
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:32.199
<v Speaker 1>experiencing a rare and severe mental health episode at the

674
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.400
<v Speaker 1>time of the attack because she is in court for

675
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:39.320
<v Speaker 1>this murder. Remember, They claimed she was a secondary victim

676
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:45.960
<v Speaker 1>of fully a do, which is shared psychosis. So fully

677
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.760
<v Speaker 1>ado is a rare condition that occurs when two closely

678
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>connected individuals, like twins for example, shared delusional beliefs or behaviors. Basically,

679
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.519
<v Speaker 1>they feed off each other almost in a delusion state.

680
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:04.840
<v Speaker 1>The defense contended that Ursula was the primary sufferer of

681
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.119
<v Speaker 1>this disorder and that Sabina was influenced by her sister's

682
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:13.199
<v Speaker 1>presence or perceived presence and developed similar psychosis. So when

683
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Ursula came to visit, huh, she was in a psychosis

684
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 1>sort of state. And then Sabina then almost like a

685
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.199
<v Speaker 1>sympathetic in a way or like what's that when you

686
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.079
<v Speaker 1>can feel someone's emotions or something like the path, Yeah,

687
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:28.079
<v Speaker 1>like an mpath She sort of like almost absorbed that

688
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 1>same sort of psychosis because of their close bond, and

689
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 1>then she was also induced into the same sort of thing.

690
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:37.280
<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of that before.

691
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 1>It's a legit thing, huh.

692
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

693
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.280
<v Speaker 1>They further suggested that Sabina had been experiencing auditory hallucinations

694
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:49.239
<v Speaker 1>at the time of the murder. The judge accepted the

695
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:56.679
<v Speaker 1>defense's argument, determining that Sabina's culpability was diminishing actually due

696
00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:00.679
<v Speaker 1>to her fragile state. Her fragile mental state. On September

697
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 1>TEWOD two thousand and nine, Sabina pleaded guilty to manslaughter

698
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 1>with diminishing responsibility. So, manslaughter with diminishing sorry, diminished responsibility

699
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:16.880
<v Speaker 1>is a legal concept in jurisdictions like England that reduces

700
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:21.480
<v Speaker 1>a murder charge when the defendant can demonstrate that their

701
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:26.119
<v Speaker 1>mental state was impaired and basically it impaired their ability

702
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:30.159
<v Speaker 1>to understand or control their actions, Okay, basically saying that

703
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>like I was fucking hallucinating, like I was.

704
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:36.559
<v Speaker 2>So free that it wasn't in my right mind kind

705
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:37.239
<v Speaker 2>of basically.

706
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it goes now from murder to manslaughter. Yeah,

707
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:46.400
<v Speaker 1>So she was sentenced to five years in prison. That's it, Hey,

708
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:48.199
<v Speaker 1>five years in prison.

709
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:50.440
<v Speaker 2>For like murdering the kindest of souls.

710
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:55.320
<v Speaker 1>I know. Now she did become eligible for parole after

711
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.360
<v Speaker 1>serving just four hundred and thirty nine days.

712
00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, yeah, thanks.

713
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:03.280
<v Speaker 1>To Time Serve. During the investigation, details about her release

714
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:06.639
<v Speaker 1>and current whereabouts remained private, but it's believed that Sabina

715
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:08.960
<v Speaker 1>was freed in twenty and eleven.

716
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, Yeah is that it?

717
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Pretty much?

718
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 2>What the actual hell?

719
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>That's it?

720
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:21.199
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make any sense this case.

721
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I have one more little paragraph I want to read here,

722
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:23.800
<v Speaker 1>and that's it.

723
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:24.880
<v Speaker 2>What the shit.

724
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:28.639
<v Speaker 1>So, the devastating loss of Glenn Hollingshead, a kind man

725
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.039
<v Speaker 1>who extended a hand to someone he thought was in need,

726
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.599
<v Speaker 1>which definitely was someone in need, left a lasting void

727
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:38.679
<v Speaker 1>for his family and friends. Sabina's sentence, while reflective of

728
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.920
<v Speaker 1>her mental health struggles, likely brought little solace to those

729
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:46.239
<v Speaker 1>mourning his death. I can only hope that upon regaining

730
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.920
<v Speaker 1>clarity and mind and freedom, she found a way to

731
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.920
<v Speaker 1>reckon with any sort of consequences of her actions, and

732
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.159
<v Speaker 1>that she went and paid respects to the life that

733
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:59.199
<v Speaker 1>she tragically took during her psychosis state. So I hope

734
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.719
<v Speaker 1>that when she was really least, the first thing she

735
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.239
<v Speaker 1>did was pay her respects, because Glenn deserved that she

736
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:07.840
<v Speaker 1>owed that least.

737
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but this is like, this is why people like

738
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, wow, people don't do that, like

739
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.719
<v Speaker 2>help people in that way. And this is why.

740
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:20.639
<v Speaker 1>This is why. Yeah, because it's it's a risk. You

741
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:24.639
<v Speaker 1>can put yourself or your family or others in danger. Yeah,

742
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>not only is it for argument's sake, say that Sabina

743
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't hurt him. Okay, he offered her help. It was

744
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.840
<v Speaker 1>a great interaction, and she left say that she got

745
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>out of this psychosis state and was living fine. What

746
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.199
<v Speaker 1>if a year down the road she doesn't, or what

747
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:44.800
<v Speaker 1>if a year down the road she goes back into

748
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:48.280
<v Speaker 1>this psychosis state and then all of a sudden, this

749
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>fucking location pops into her mind and she fucking like

750
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.559
<v Speaker 1>I gotta get there. Then she goes and hurts him or.

751
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Something, or even like claim something happened, right that didn't

752
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>actually happen.

753
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Exactly because it's psycho like she's having hallucinations, right, I

754
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.360
<v Speaker 1>mean auditory hallucinations, they claimed.

755
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:06.920
<v Speaker 2>But still, because I still often think of that case

756
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:10.199
<v Speaker 2>where like the neighbor just got like completely fucked. I

757
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:12.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know, I can't It was like a recent case

758
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:14.440
<v Speaker 2>where he was like charged with the killing of the

759
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:15.079
<v Speaker 2>girl and.

760
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yeah yeah.

761
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.880
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so people can like claim things too, right,

762
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and it's just like your their word against yours, and.

763
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, that is the case the ericson twins. Now,

764
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:31.719
<v Speaker 1>the thing that I did want to talk about that

765
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I kind of brushed off a little earlier. I want

766
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 1>to talk about at the end was the things of

767
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:39.119
<v Speaker 1>there being no drugs in their system. Was the fact

768
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:42.280
<v Speaker 1>that Sabina never said anything about there being troubles at

769
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.559
<v Speaker 1>home the husband. There's no troubles at home. Sure, arguments happen,

770
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Couples argue, we argue sometimes right, oh yeah, wow, you

771
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:54.119
<v Speaker 1>didn't have to be that enthusiastic. But yeah, people argue,

772
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.199
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing against that. And there was nothing found to

773
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.800
<v Speaker 1>say that there was anything wrong at home, there was

774
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 1>anything about any sort of drug use, nothing, There was

775
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 1>nothing found at all whatsoever. The only thing that we

776
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 1>have is that they believe that there was this case

777
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:17.719
<v Speaker 1>of folio do.

778
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:22.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That's kind of scary though, because now

779
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 2>they're just like they're out there just living their life,

780
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, which I guess is great for them, but like,

781
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it just seems so unstable that something

782
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:35.079
<v Speaker 2>could happen again, you know, like you almost wonder if

783
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:36.880
<v Speaker 2>they need help of sorts.

784
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Or I would imagine that there has been some help sought,

785
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:45.679
<v Speaker 1>at least on Sabina. I mean, Ursula didn't hurt anyone else,

786
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.119
<v Speaker 1>She hurt herself of course, So I would assume she's

787
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.039
<v Speaker 1>going to seek some help to maybe figure this out,

788
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 1>whether it's medication or or learning or who knows what.

789
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I would assume she's going to search some because she's

790
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:00.159
<v Speaker 1>not going to want to fucking run into trafficking and

791
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.239
<v Speaker 1>crush her own legs and even put her sister at

792
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:02.760
<v Speaker 1>risk too.

793
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure some of her injuries like have affected

794
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.039
<v Speaker 2>her life, going.

795
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, So I'm going to assume that that Ursula

796
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:16.679
<v Speaker 1>would have figured some stuff out about this. As far

797
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:19.480
<v Speaker 1>as Sabina, I'm going to assume that she was forced

798
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:25.199
<v Speaker 1>to learn some stuff about this while in custody. Yeah,

799
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.519
<v Speaker 1>because I mean, she took a fucking man's life. Yeah right,

800
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:31.599
<v Speaker 1>If it was found this is what caused her to

801
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:36.719
<v Speaker 1>take someone's life, I'm pretty sure that the judicial system

802
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.639
<v Speaker 1>would force her to, you know, figure this shit out,

803
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.280
<v Speaker 1>going to care, whether it's psychiatric, whether it's medical, whether

804
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:48.400
<v Speaker 1>it's medication. Who knows. Uh, Yeah, they would force her

805
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 1>to otherwise it wouldn't release her back into public. Otherwise

806
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:52.239
<v Speaker 1>it would just be solely on her and she would

807
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:57.360
<v Speaker 1>be found guilty of murder. So I do think that Sabina, yeah,

808
00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:59.840
<v Speaker 1>was forced to learn about it, and I would as

809
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Ursula would learn about it as well, at least through

810
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>her sister as well.

811
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Well. You wonder too if she went back to her family,

812
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:11.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, if she's just like living with her family again, yeah,

813
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:12.920
<v Speaker 2>her husband and the kids.

814
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, I don't know, Like I said, there's there's not

815
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:17.840
<v Speaker 1>much known about when she was released.

816
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Of course, like they want would want to like stay

817
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:25.280
<v Speaker 2>under the radar after all this shit and try to

818
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.440
<v Speaker 2>like regain their life. I guess from this really odd

819
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.920
<v Speaker 2>forty eight I don't know, sixty hours or whatever it was.

820
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, I don't really know how to digest

821
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:42.159
<v Speaker 1>this one. No shit, I don't blame these sisters whatsoever.

822
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Don't get me wrong. A fucking life was stolen here.

823
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.000
<v Speaker 1>You fucking killed someone. You didn't do it in your

824
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:52.079
<v Speaker 1>right mind. I get it. It's not like that case

825
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.039
<v Speaker 1>where there was a beheading on the bus member. We

826
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:57.360
<v Speaker 1>covered it like early on in this podcast. Yeah, and

827
00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the guy wasn't taking his medication, that was his own fun.

828
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:02.719
<v Speaker 1>This was just a psychosis that seemed to come out

829
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:07.480
<v Speaker 1>of nowhere. Yeah, yes, you killed someone. If it happens again,

830
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.199
<v Speaker 1>she is one hundred percent responsible because she didn't care

831
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.159
<v Speaker 1>for herself enough to prevent it, you know what I mean.

832
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I still kind of feel I don't know.

833
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:22.599
<v Speaker 2>I struggle with that a bit because I still feel like, uh,

834
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm struggling because I feel I almost feel like more

835
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:30.199
<v Speaker 2>time needed to maybe be served for that. But then, yeah,

836
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 2>you're right, like there was no history or anything of

837
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:38.280
<v Speaker 2>knowing that something like this could happen. Noh, gosh, I

838
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:39.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know. This is this is a hard one.

839
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 1>It is a hard one. But you have to look

840
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.920
<v Speaker 1>at it from this perspective on what she was convicted of.

841
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:48.400
<v Speaker 1>If she's convicted of murder, five years is not enough.

842
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.119
<v Speaker 1>She's convicted not of murder, though she's convicted of manslaughter.

843
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<v Speaker 1>You have to remember that it's manslaughter, which means she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do it intentionally. It's no different than losing control

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<v Speaker 1>of a vehicle and crashing and killing.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone, right, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't under her control. She did do it,

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<v Speaker 1>so it is five years sufficient for manslaughter. Technically speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>I do believe it is. That doesn't mean she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take a life, and it doesn't mean she has a

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<v Speaker 1>new responsibility to ensure that she looks after not doing

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<v Speaker 1>it again.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean she was she didn't actually really seem like

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<v Speaker 2>she served that much time. But then, yeah, you can

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<v Speaker 2>only hope that this something like this just never happens again.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, even if it's different people or whatever, it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like it is a heart like unpreventable. Really. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, I'm struggling with this one. Big.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tough one. Don't get me wrong. I because

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<v Speaker 1>I understand the sympathy towards her, and I also understand

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<v Speaker 1>the want for retribution and closure and fucking lock her

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<v Speaker 1>up sort of attitude. I get it all.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was Glenn, the one with the dog, Yes, Clinton,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, the dog. The dog just lost their person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're fucking angel of a person. Probably, so that

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<v Speaker 1>was probably a angel of a dog too.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, Okay, I shouldn't have brought the dog up. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that is such a terrible way.

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<v Speaker 1>To end this way to go kay. Well, on that note,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for being here. I'm curious in your response to

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<v Speaker 1>this one if you have any thoughts on what you

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<v Speaker 1>think should have happened as far as maybe a conviction

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<v Speaker 1>or sentencing or maybe even going forward. How you know

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<v Speaker 1>a judicial system should force someone to look after themselves

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<v Speaker 1>in light of an incident like this happening. If you

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<v Speaker 1>have some thoughts, some insight, some opinions, shoot us a message.

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<v Speaker 1>It's us two, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>But we like to do that to ourselves, don't we.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we kind of puppeteer each other, I guess maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, thank you for being here. It means the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And until next time, stay wicked,