Speaker 1: I keep a close watch on this heart of mine.
Speaker 1: I keep mynes wide open all the time.
Speaker 2: A Friday edition of The Drive, rolling along Porter Larson
Speaker 2: County Parks, filling in for Spence.
Speaker 3: He'll be back on Monday.
Speaker 2: Of course, he'll be back on a Monday recapping NBA Finals,
Speaker 2: and we will have a champion crowned. Oh a little
Speaker 2: over forty eight hours from right now, Game seven Indiana
Speaker 2: and Oklahoma City. Thanks to a Game six win the
Speaker 2: Indiana Pacers last night, Howard Beck joins us to discuss
Speaker 2: that and more and preview Game seven, Howard usually Spence
Speaker 2: brings you in with some hipster tune. I don't know
Speaker 2: that I've ever gotten your Johnny Cash take. I know
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily your lane, but I feel like you
Speaker 2: have good enough taste that you get it.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, Johnny Cash is the original hipster, right right. So,
Speaker 4: And I was wearing black last night of the game,
Speaker 4: thinking that it was a close out, and we thought
Speaker 4: that was appropriate. But I and everybody else are idiots,
Speaker 4: and it was not a close out. And here we go.
Speaker 4: I'm on the way to the airport to go to
Speaker 4: Oklahoma City once more, this time through Charlotte. I think
Speaker 4: I have explored every airport hub in the country in
Speaker 4: the course of the last two and a half weeks
Speaker 4: bouncing between these cities. So yeah, where we go. Game seven.
Speaker 2: Well, now that you've done the Man in Black part,
Speaker 2: Game seven on Sunday, make sure you listen to in
Speaker 2: the morning Sunday morning, coming down, just on your way
Speaker 2: to the arena. Set the stage, set the vibes. Start
Speaker 2: with a good Johnny Cash tune.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Game six, the Pacers come in. Tyrese Halliburton questionable coming
Speaker 2: into tip off. Obviously, I think most of us, really
Speaker 2: anyone who has watched the Pacers this year, really expected
Speaker 2: Tyrese to play. The question was what was he going
Speaker 2: to give you after being clearly kind of hobbled in
Speaker 2: a Game five? Well, he was really good, and he
Speaker 2: was really good in a key moment in that second
Speaker 2: quarter that Indiana didn't look back from. What was What
Speaker 2: was your full read on on Game seven, specifically around
Speaker 2: Tyrese Halliburton and the Pacers that refused to die.
Speaker 4: It's funny because in the course of any regular season,
Speaker 4: we always get these moments where somebody's hurt. It's a
Speaker 4: sprained ankle or tweaked their knee or whatever, and it's
Speaker 4: the kind of thing like, well, this he's going to
Speaker 4: be out for a week. But you know, if we
Speaker 4: were a game seven of the finals, you know he
Speaker 4: would play, you know what I mean? We get that
Speaker 4: a lot. And here we had like the exact version
Speaker 4: of this where it was like it's game six of
Speaker 4: the finals and elimination facing them, and it was the
Speaker 4: kind of thing where if this were the regular season,
Speaker 4: I think Tyre's Halliburton would have been out, you know,
Speaker 4: a few days a week, a couple weeks whatever, just
Speaker 4: to let it heal. And but you also knew, you
Speaker 4: knew he's going to try to play as long as
Speaker 4: the medical staff didn't tell him, no, you're you're at
Speaker 4: major risk. You also knew that because of the way
Speaker 4: the finals are structured these days, there's so much time
Speaker 4: in between that you can get the full not quite
Speaker 4: seventy two hours, but it was pretty close to three
Speaker 4: days of round the clock treatment, which it sounds like
Speaker 4: is what happened. And credit to the medical staff, and
Speaker 4: then credit to and training staff, and credit to Tyrese
Speaker 4: Haliburton for finding way through it. He did, look, I
Speaker 4: thought early on a little bit hobbled or just dragging
Speaker 4: it a little, and then it just seems like, whether
Speaker 4: it's adrenaline kicking in, whether it's just the muscles warming up,
Speaker 4: whatever it may be. After a while you forgot that
Speaker 4: he was allegedly hurt at all. And I don't mean
Speaker 4: to say allegedly like he's not, like he definitely is.
Speaker 4: But it passed out of your mind so quickly because
Speaker 4: he looked good, Like, you know, he hit that first three.
Speaker 4: It was like his first field goal since Game four
Speaker 4: and then Game five had been just so miserable for him.
Speaker 4: He looked in a much better rhythm. And maybe it's
Speaker 4: a little bit of it also just adjusting to the
Speaker 4: fact that, Okay, my cat's not going to feel one
Speaker 4: hundred percent. I got to find a way to still
Speaker 4: do what I do. But like you know, he was
Speaker 4: sprinting and diving on the floor, you know, close to
Speaker 4: diving out of bounds for a loose ball, and there
Speaker 4: was no hesitation there, and I thought all those were
Speaker 4: really good signs. And then yeah, he gets in a rhythm.
Speaker 4: And then the other thing is and Zach Low and
Speaker 4: I talked about this on his pod with the Ringer
Speaker 4: this morning, that you know, the way the Pacers are
Speaker 4: built is helpful in a sense in a case like this,
Speaker 4: because as important as Tyree's Haliburton is to them, as
Speaker 4: important as as Siakam is to them, this is not
Speaker 4: an iso ball team. This is not a give it
Speaker 4: to your star and get out of the way kind
Speaker 4: of team. This has always been, you know, there's their
Speaker 4: strength has been ball and player movement and getting in
Speaker 4: a rhythm and getting everybody going. And Tyres doesn't have
Speaker 4: to bring the ball up every time, he doesn't have
Speaker 4: to dominate the ball every time. That gives him room
Speaker 4: to kind of ease into the game while you know
Speaker 4: you Nemhart's handling or other guys are moving it around.
Speaker 4: And I think that benefited him and it benefited them.
Speaker 4: But all that said, Porter, I did not see a
Speaker 4: blowout in the pacers favor coming. I'm not surprised that
Speaker 4: they won, but the fact that they blew the Thunder
Speaker 4: out so easily was a bit of a.
Speaker 1: SHOCKERU Yeah, because to me, the Thunder had a chance
Speaker 1: to close this series out obviously, and they showed a
Speaker 1: really rough version of themselves, especially in that second quarter.
Speaker 1: The Pacers had a chance to grab full control of
Speaker 1: this series when they didn't show their best down the
Speaker 1: stretch in Game four. So, as you kind of diagnosed
Speaker 1: these two teams through six games, which team do you
Speaker 1: expect to handle the biggest moments better in Game seven?
Speaker 4: I mean, we've seen the best and worst of both
Speaker 4: of them, and so there's no one indication that's going
Speaker 4: to tell you, oh, this is how it should go.
Speaker 4: On Sunday, you lean towards the Thunder for being at
Speaker 4: home and their crowd is insane and intense, and it's
Speaker 4: I think it's allowed us to ren in the league.
Speaker 4: With all due respect to Indiana and everybody else and Indiana,
Speaker 4: the Pacers fans were incredible last night. But the Thunders
Speaker 4: the one arena where I've been recently where I feel
Speaker 4: like my head's just going to explode, and they never stop.
Speaker 4: It's not just loud occasionally, it's basically from beginning to
Speaker 4: end unless the Pacers take them out of it, which
Speaker 4: is going to be their goal obviously, So I would
Speaker 4: lean Thunder, but listen, I think by now we should
Speaker 4: realize not just in this series, but in this postseason,
Speaker 4: the Pacers can win anywhere they have been underestimated by
Speaker 4: all of us, myself included, multiple times. They are they're
Speaker 4: very steady. They never seem to get out of character
Speaker 4: or out of rhythm. Whereas the thunder last night, I
Speaker 4: think that's exactly what happened to them. Maybe the moment
Speaker 4: was too big. And you know, they are one of
Speaker 4: the youngest teams of all time to be in the finals,
Speaker 4: and if they win, will be one of the youngest
Speaker 4: all time to win the championship. But they their demeanor
Speaker 4: belies that. You know, when they're on the podium, pregame,
Speaker 4: post game, between games, the way they are in the game,
Speaker 4: they very rarely seem rattled. They're very steady personalities. They're
Speaker 4: pretty sedate is almost too strong of a word, but
Speaker 4: they're really even keeled. Guys from Shade to Jenn Williams
Speaker 4: chat all of them and diagnote the coaches that way too.
Speaker 4: But it doesn't mean you can't get rattled inside. Shaye
Speaker 4: was the only one who admitted it last night. You know,
Speaker 4: the question was kind of posed to all of them.
Speaker 4: Did the fact that you knew what was waiting for you,
Speaker 4: that you know, the trophies in the house, the Champagne
Speaker 4: the beerer on ice and you know this, this moment
Speaker 4: is here. Do you think it's seeped in a little bit?
Speaker 4: Pretty much everybody denied that and said now and now
Speaker 4: the emotions weren't in the way, but Shay kind of
Speaker 4: let on that he thought that could have been the case.
Speaker 4: And then it reminds you, Oh, yeah, for all their steadiness,
Speaker 4: they are really young and this is their first time
Speaker 4: through and we'll see who's steadier on Sunday.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned that steadiness. Man, if you go back
Speaker 2: to just post Christmas time, Indiana has been so consistent.
Speaker 2: And I know that is flown under the radar because
Speaker 2: they're in Indiana, they don't necessarily get a bunch of
Speaker 2: primetime games. But for the folks who we talked about
Speaker 2: this with Zach Harper and it'll be part of the
Speaker 2: conversation going forward. For the folks who think this is
Speaker 2: a little fluky, I think that's really just looking at
Speaker 2: like how some of the games have happened, some of
Speaker 2: the comebacks and whatnot, and not the body of work.
Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of a slight to Rick Carlisle,
Speaker 2: what is your impression of what he has done and
Speaker 2: how impressive. This run has been from an adjustment standpoint,
Speaker 2: from a scheme of standpoint, and of course, as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: it is the head coach's job to keep these guys steady.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and quick heads up. We are pulling into the airport,
Speaker 4: so I'll probably put you guys on a hold for
Speaker 4: just a second when we pull up to the curb
Speaker 4: in a minute. But when we can keep going. You know,
Speaker 4: Carlisle obviously has has you know, been here before, you know,
Speaker 4: won that championship with the Mavericks back in twenty eleven
Speaker 4: against the Heat and they were the underdog then too,
Speaker 4: uh by quite a bit. And and and if he
Speaker 4: pulls this off, he'll have been you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: the steward of two of the greatest uh uh you
Speaker 4: know upsets in the NBA Finals history. I think his
Speaker 4: experience is his experience, and then the evantage he has
Speaker 4: over Dagnault is you know, coming through a little. Dagnault's
Speaker 4: a great coach. But you know, Dagnault has has made
Speaker 4: what look like in retrospect maybe I don't know, not
Speaker 4: panic changes, but just ill advised changes, you know, going
Speaker 4: away from the double bigs and then going back to
Speaker 4: them at times, and and then starting second halves with
Speaker 4: Caruso instead of Hartenstein, and and you know, not everything
Speaker 4: has really worked out that well. A lot of this
Speaker 4: just ends up being execution anyway, So it's hard to
Speaker 4: know how much of this is scheme. Do you think
Speaker 4: that Carlisle has mixed it up? You know, their coverages
Speaker 4: on Shame particular, and that has maybe thrown him off
Speaker 4: a little bit, And I think that is to Carlisle's credit.
Speaker 4: And I just think in general, the Pacers always seem ready.
Speaker 4: They may not, they might not win, but they always
Speaker 4: seem ready. And that's you know, that's that's you know,
Speaker 4: job one of the coach is have your guys in
Speaker 4: a position where they know what the plan is and
Speaker 4: hope they execute it well. And uh, you know, just
Speaker 4: you know, play play to their character. And the Pacers
Speaker 4: have been very consistent in that regard.
Speaker 1: No matter what happens coming up Sunday night, you get
Speaker 1: the sense these teams are going to be right up
Speaker 1: there for years to come, with the way that they've
Speaker 1: organized themselves, the way they structure the roster, the way
Speaker 1: they operate as an organization, and when you look at
Speaker 1: the future of this.
Speaker 4: League, Yeah, well, I mean, let's talk about the Thunder first.
Speaker 4: Like we know, we've talked about how young they are.
Speaker 4: We know that Sam Presty has you know, assembled, you know,
Speaker 4: one of the biggest war chests of draft picks in history.
Speaker 4: And so to win the championship potentially, or even if
Speaker 4: they don't, just to be in the finals and then
Speaker 4: come out of it where you also have you know,
Speaker 4: this is an incredible American poe. Oh yeah, this is
Speaker 4: good here. Okay, okay, okay, sorry. You know they're they're
Speaker 4: they're well positioned to adjust. And the thing is, you know,
Speaker 4: we're in this era with you know, the Second Apron
Speaker 4: and all these harsh penalties under the salary cap. So
Speaker 4: what you really need is flexibility because you want to
Speaker 4: be able to keep your stars together as long as possible.
Speaker 4: To do that, you might have to shed role players
Speaker 4: at times. We've seen that with Denver and Milwaukee and
Speaker 4: other teams in recent years where they got, you know,
Speaker 4: won a championship or got to the finals and then
Speaker 4: you can't keep it together. The Thunder have a better
Speaker 4: chance than most because of the flexibility that that Presty
Speaker 4: has created. The Pacers not quite as much, but still
Speaker 4: you know their core is young, and you know was
Speaker 4: still affordable with regard to the cap. I think both
Speaker 4: of these teams, yes, should be together for a while.
Speaker 4: But it's just in today's NBA it's hard to assume
Speaker 4: anything beyond a couple of years because the system is
Speaker 4: set up to make you give up players once they become,
Speaker 4: you know, valued enough to be a little more expensive,
Speaker 4: and then you're up against all these different limits and
Speaker 4: the next thing, you know, to let a guy walk.
Speaker 4: And so you don't want to make too grand of
Speaker 4: a prediction. We will have a seventh champion in seven
Speaker 4: years and we're in an era without dynasties, and there
Speaker 4: are reasons for that that are structural. But yes, the
Speaker 4: hope would be based on what we've seen with these
Speaker 4: teams and the way they're structured, they should be around
Speaker 4: for a bit.
Speaker 2: You mentioned that structural aspect too, and I mean it
Speaker 2: has a lot to do with Adam Silver's tenure at
Speaker 2: the NBA, and you know how much that correlates. I
Speaker 2: think you could you could parse in between that, But
Speaker 2: I do wonder, Howard, what you think might change that,
Speaker 2: not necessarily that structure, but what organization. Maybe it is okay. See,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a team in a bigger market that is
Speaker 2: able to accumulate the way Okase did. Somehow, how is
Speaker 2: a dynasty going to be able to break through in
Speaker 2: an era where there clearly is a structure in place.
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, there's gonna be a seventh NBA championship
Speaker 2: in the last seven years. A lot of people like
Speaker 2: that that you know, parody. It's not characteristic of the NBA,
Speaker 2: even when you go back years past. It was the Celtics,
Speaker 2: it was the Lakers. There were dynasties all over until
Speaker 2: the last decade. And I wonder if you think that
Speaker 2: there's any sort of window to reverse that.
Speaker 4: This may be a permanent state of affairs. I mean,
Speaker 4: you never say never, and you never say permanent in
Speaker 4: this league, but I mean it is set up in
Speaker 4: a way that is harder to navigate than any system
Speaker 4: the NBA has ever had. And this is sort of
Speaker 4: what Adam Silver has wanted and what the league has wanted,
Speaker 4: where a team like you know, the Warriors, or even
Speaker 4: the Clippers, though they never won the championship, those are
Speaker 4: the two teams that really, you know, kind of got
Speaker 4: under the skin of all the other owners where they
Speaker 4: were spending hundreds of millions in luxury taxes because the
Speaker 4: money was not an issue for them. They're you know,
Speaker 4: billionaire owners who didn't mind losing money if it meant winning,
Speaker 4: if it meant assembling as much talent as they could.
Speaker 4: And the rest of the league is, you know, basically
Speaker 4: said that's not what we want. We want talent to
Speaker 4: be more evenly distributed. We don't want any one team
Speaker 4: to be able to commandeer you know, two, three four
Speaker 4: max guys. And so the penalties now are beyond just
Speaker 4: luxury taxes. It's you lose the ability to make trades,
Speaker 4: you lose cap exceptions, you lose all these other flexibility
Speaker 4: tools that are really necessary, especially if you have injuries
Speaker 4: or if a guy you know leaves for some reason
Speaker 4: but you're still way over the cap. They've made it
Speaker 4: almost impossible if you go beyond certain thresholds to keep
Speaker 4: a team functional. And we're seeing that with Phoenix, and
Speaker 4: that's why they're going to be trading Kevin Durant and
Speaker 4: why they would trade Bradley Beale if they could, and
Speaker 4: why they should trade Devin Booker frankly, because they're they're
Speaker 4: going nowhere regardless. So I don't know if a dynasty
Speaker 4: is actually possible, Like some team's going to have to
Speaker 4: actually prove it to us and defy this system somewhere
Speaker 4: along the way. And maybe that will be Oklahoma, maybe
Speaker 4: it'll be Indiana for all we know, maybe it'll be
Speaker 4: some other team that we can't see coming. But the
Speaker 4: second your guys are talented enough to earn max contracts,
Speaker 4: you're on the clock. Because once you have two guys
Speaker 4: making Max, it's really hard to keep a lot of
Speaker 4: like even high level role players around them. Every single
Speaker 4: player wherever their station is a MAX guy, a low
Speaker 4: max guy. If you've drafted well and you've developed well,
Speaker 4: they're going to increase their value. And when they increase
Speaker 4: their value, they're going to want more money. And if
Speaker 4: you're spending that money on them, means you now hit
Speaker 4: the first apron and the second apron you have to
Speaker 4: then make tough decisions and shed them. That's just the
Speaker 4: way the system is set up. And you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know what that will mean for continuity overall, but
Speaker 4: you know, after the nug it's how hard it's been
Speaker 4: to sustain since they won their championship.
Speaker 1: It is tough, and I've loved this series, the Carlisle impact,
Speaker 1: the stars, the star role players, and the back and forth.
Speaker 1: If there was a key role player that you think
Speaker 1: is going to make the biggest difference coming up Sunday,
Speaker 1: who would you pick?
Speaker 4: Which player makes the biggest difference?
Speaker 1: A star role player, not necessarily star, but a star
Speaker 1: role player out of had that second tier in that
Speaker 1: group again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean we saw, like,
Speaker 4: you know, Nie Smith had a couple of big shots
Speaker 4: last night. He's been kind of quiet for a bit.
Speaker 4: You could see a n Smith game or an M.
Speaker 4: Hark game on the Indiana side, on the thunder side
Speaker 4: of it. I mean, Chet Holmgren hasn't had a great
Speaker 4: series yet, but you know, they don't really look to
Speaker 4: him as a scorer anyway. But you wonder if there's
Speaker 4: like you know, an Aaron Wiggins game coming or an
Speaker 4: House Caruso game coming either This could go any number
Speaker 4: of ways. I as with the outcome. I wouldn't hazard
Speaker 4: a guess. I got guys that got time for like
Speaker 4: maybe one more before I got a jump, Well.
Speaker 2: Howard, I guess. Then we'll get your read on on
Speaker 2: game seven. Listen I think everything about this series points
Speaker 2: to your head choosing Oklahoma City because of the roster,
Speaker 2: because of the home court, because of all of the above.
Speaker 2: But for me, there's still a feeling. They're still feeling
Speaker 2: deep down inside, even though my head's telling me no,
Speaker 2: that the Pacers are going to win this damn game.
Speaker 2: And that's something I can't get away from. It's something
Speaker 2: I said before Game six, and it's here we are,
Speaker 2: Game seven. Howard, your thoughts going into this one.
Speaker 4: The Thunder have an incredible record at home, and they have,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, rarely lost consecutive games. You know,
Speaker 4: the logical things point to them winning it. But I
Speaker 4: hear you there's a I feel like there's a sense
Speaker 4: now the Pacers there's this kind of magic to them,
Speaker 4: and you know, you know, it doesn't matter, you know,
Speaker 4: what the talent ledger looks like, or what the depth
Speaker 4: looks like, or what Haliburton's calf looks like. They just
Speaker 4: always seem to be able to pull it out. I
Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, honestly, guys, it's a coinslip. Zachlo
Speaker 4: and I talked about this on the pod today. I
Speaker 4: think he ended up picking the Thunder by four. I said,
Speaker 4: I thought the thunder maybe by a little bit more
Speaker 4: than that, Like they'll they'll have a four point lead
Speaker 4: and expanded the last couple of minutes. But like we're
Speaker 4: just we're guessing. I mean, but let's be honest. Where
Speaker 4: we're at seven for a reason, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna sit back and enjoy it and then try
Speaker 4: to write something semi cohering for Monday morning.
Speaker 2: Well, let us know where they can. Let the folks
Speaker 2: know where they can find that. I know you're at
Speaker 2: the Ringer doing all the stuff. Let the folks know
Speaker 2: where they can find your content at Howard Beck of
Speaker 2: course on Blue Sky mostly at the moment, but folks
Speaker 2: want to find your stuff on Game seven or the
Speaker 2: recap laid up yeap at the.
Speaker 4: Ringer dot com. Something will be up Monday morning, and
Speaker 4: on the Real Ones podcast, which I will be back
Speaker 4: doing probably on Tuesday to wrap this all up. And
Speaker 4: of course yes at Howard Beck on Blue Sky and
Speaker 4: only Blue Sky.
Speaker 3: Appreciated Howard Beck. We'll talk to you next week. Thanks
Speaker 3: for Let's take care Howard Beck.
Speaker 2: Of course, of the Ringer, he mentioned the Real Ones podcast.
Speaker 2: That's what Roger Bell if you guys haven't listened to
Speaker 2: former jazz man, Oh yeah, you knew Rasja pretty well.
Speaker 1: Rajah Bell Ring the Bell. I loved Roger was a
Speaker 1: good dude and I connected pretty well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Howard does a pretty regular podcast with Rosa and
Speaker 2: it's a it's a fun show. He does really good work.
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, I've been reading Howard. Obviously the podcast
Speaker 2: stuff wasn't around when I was a young tyke, but
Speaker 2: I've been reading the words of Howard Beck since I
Speaker 2: was probably like seven or eight years old. So cool
Speaker 2: to always chat with him, talking to MBA.
Speaker 1: So the one thing going into this game seven that
Speaker 1: I know we're going to hear it's on and I
Speaker 1: couldn't disagree more is the this team has more pressure.
Speaker 3: Why Why is Marv Albert saying it?
Speaker 1: I don't know why Marv wou'd say it. Yeah, but anyway,
Speaker 1: they'll come on, don't keep doing it. Team has more
Speaker 1: pressure from downtown at the Broadway Media studios in downtown.
Speaker 1: Now the the they'll do that all the time, a
Speaker 1: ton of media will do that. Well, this tvash all
Speaker 1: the pressure, all the pressure's on them. That's not true.
Speaker 1: You don't think there's pressure on Indiana. There's tons of
Speaker 1: pressure on Indiana. They have to get off to a
Speaker 1: better start, in my opinion than Oklahoma City does. I
Speaker 1: think they're more capable. Indiana has to play a cleaner game,
Speaker 1: and I think Zach Harper was alluding to that when
Speaker 1: he talked about turnovers. Indiana turns it over, touchdown, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: see turns it over all right, there's a storm, time out,
Speaker 1: you can get the crowd back in the game. So
Speaker 1: here's what I know when I've watched these two teams
Speaker 1: when each of them has been in the cat bird seat.
Speaker 1: Not great. Last night Oka see not great? That get
Speaker 1: end of Game four with Indiana not great. So that's
Speaker 1: what I'm excited about for this because I like to
Speaker 1: see it when a team has that chance, when it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we're gonna in this thing. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: what what do you do in that moment? How do
Speaker 1: you handle that?
Speaker 3: Do you do? You finish right? Or finish it?
Speaker 1: Just a moment gets you. So this is what I've
Speaker 1: always loved about the Jazz and the history of their
Speaker 1: NBA Finals. The Flu game is always remembered for while
Speaker 1: Jordan willed them back and this and that. That's the story.
Speaker 1: But the truth is the Utah Jazz were in position
Speaker 1: where it was like, oh my gosh, they're up sixteen
Speaker 1: with a sick Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3: Something about three two lead.
Speaker 1: They're they're about to do this that Go watch the
Speaker 1: final six minutes of that flu game. Yeah, littered with
Speaker 1: mistakes by the Jazz was that they face.
Speaker 3: Played, including a turnover in the last chuck cluck.
Speaker 1: Weirdest stuff you've ever seen ever, Malone making weird decisions,
Speaker 1: horn a sex with a dumb foul stocking, a couple
Speaker 1: of key mistakes, including the turnover characters Brian Russell, you
Speaker 1: know it's double pippin. Who we leaving open? Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: poor boss. I mean, everything you could ever see. It's
Speaker 1: because the Jazz, who were this notable underdog, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it's like, wait, we might win this thing.
Speaker 1: So that's why when they're like I'm curious to see
Speaker 1: how a team fights back from adversity. Sure, I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see which team handles success in game seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't totally disagree with you. There's I mean,
Speaker 2: there is an immeasurable amount of pressure on both teams.
Speaker 2: I will say winning that game six maybe like a
Speaker 2: small percentage of the pressure. Maybe the pendulum of pressure
Speaker 2: moved a little bit in the direction of Oklahoma City,
Speaker 2: because then you got to go to your home court
Speaker 2: and Tony. If let's say Indiana just opens up hot
Speaker 2: from the from the field, not anything spectacular, they just
Speaker 2: hit four of their first five threes, and it's twelve
Speaker 2: two and it's game seven. That is when that little
Speaker 2: bit of pressure that sometimes is not measurable, that's when
Speaker 2: you feel that.
Speaker 3: Shift in a big way.
Speaker 2: And if you're at home and it's silent and it's
Speaker 2: game seven and you're all of a sudden down by ten,
Speaker 2: that's a situation where I think you can't see pressure.
Speaker 2: You can see momentum in sports, even though many will
Speaker 2: argue neither of those are real things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you had a gloom and doom fan base,
Speaker 1: right right, Philly, Matt's brig.
Speaker 3: Lely anybody, if you get to the Austin.
Speaker 1: You know, But Oklahoma City, I don't think they have that.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think they have that gloom and dooms.
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about the bench though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, no, you're right, No, I know what's
Speaker 1: talking about, like any team can. It's unique because we
Speaker 1: don't really know until they.
Speaker 3: Get there exactly.
Speaker 1: I just know I've watched each of these teams with
Speaker 1: a chance to be in the true Cappert seat, want
Speaker 1: to close out and then one to take full control
Speaker 1: three to one. All that and uh not good, Bob,
Speaker 1: like actually quite poor.
Speaker 2: There's been quite that's it could be one of those
Speaker 2: games where it's so tense because of that. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: because as you mentioned, we've not seen any of these
Speaker 2: guys in this position a game seven in the NBA Finals,
Speaker 2: So you know, some some games come to mind. I
Speaker 2: talked about it, I think earlier with you the Jazz Nuggets.
Speaker 2: I think the final it was seventy to seventy, you know,
Speaker 2: late late in the game, before the free throw started
Speaker 2: to come. In one of those games, I don't think
Speaker 2: with the pace that these two teams play at, you'll
Speaker 2: see that. But with the urgency, with the kind of
Speaker 2: anxiety surrounding a game seven, I wouldn't be as surprised
Speaker 2: if you see a game that doesn't get to the
Speaker 2: hundred point more.
Speaker 3: That was my thought, So I don't I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: a surprised.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's close, I don't see it
Speaker 1: going to the hundreds. I just don't see this.
Speaker 3: But if one team runs away with it then yet
Speaker 3: then fine.
Speaker 1: But if we if it's tight, oh I see, you know,
Speaker 1: mid nineties, low nineties. I just kind of getting into
Speaker 1: those grinding few minutes, right. It's fun how that happens.
Speaker 1: That happened with that. Warriors Calves Game seven, I think
Speaker 1: we could be in for that. I'm so fired up
Speaker 1: for this, man, this is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2: Warriors Calves Game seven. I think that no one scored
Speaker 2: for like eight minutes in the fourth quarter. Well, in
Speaker 2: every possession, it's still so fun.
Speaker 1: The pins and needles, oh, every pass, everything, every time
Speaker 1: the ball was in the air. You just feel like
Speaker 1: every possession so precious. I love that we have that
Speaker 1: coming up Sunday.
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