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<v Speaker 1>Phillies woman. Yeah, the Phillies woman at the Marlins game.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to arguably the coldest intro in the

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<v Speaker 2>history of this podcast. This is this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>Blackflips and Nerds. This is a British take on baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is John McGee and I am joined by Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Rob's already introduced himself.

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<v Speaker 1>A Phillies woman. I'm fine, I've not stolen any baseball's

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<v Speaker 1>if a child, I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we will be talking about Phillies woman. Ben, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you know about Phillies woman? Any thoughts, any any

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<v Speaker 2>any opinions?

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<v Speaker 3>What was Rob's quote? That's good? Ye, similar, similar thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess no, strong poor women did get vilified, didn't

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<v Speaker 3>you know, strong feelings on her. I think he's probably

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<v Speaker 3>been through the ringer enough without us like like piling

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<v Speaker 3>on a week later. But no, I'm getting a bit

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<v Speaker 3>so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>From go on.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel I feel like the Coldplay CEO is glad

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<v Speaker 1>that the Phillies Woman has happened. Pressure button has been passed.

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<v Speaker 2>I still love that that guy at Hotspur to try

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<v Speaker 2>and like have a go at Chris Martin and cold

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<v Speaker 2>Play about doing that. That was That was extraordinary and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, good luck to him. We've we've talked on

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast before about my my love of Coldplay, unashamed,

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<v Speaker 2>no such thing as a guilty pleasure. I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely great. Not my usual not my usual bag, as

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<v Speaker 2>we all know, I'm just a big mung beans guy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but there you go. Okay, So hello, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to bat Flips and Nerds this evening. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>do a little bit on some baseballing news, but the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of this conversation is I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a Robinavara special. We are going to select our

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<v Speaker 2>own personal baseball Mount Rushmore. Ben is going to explain

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<v Speaker 2>that concept in a more detail once we come to it.

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<v Speaker 2>We've come up with some good ideas for how we're

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<v Speaker 2>categorizing each other for presidents, which Rob is completely going

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<v Speaker 2>to ignore, so look forward to that. So yeah, hello,

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<v Speaker 2>and welcome Zoe. To start with, I think we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about British baseball. So if this is not

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<v Speaker 2>your bag, sign off now. But it's been a banner

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<v Speaker 2>month for baseball here in the UK. It's been vindication

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<v Speaker 2>for those who have worked incredibly hard over the course

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<v Speaker 2>of the last fifteen twenty years up and down the country,

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<v Speaker 2>putting in lots of hours on Sundays, doing volunteering on

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<v Speaker 2>cold wintry Thursday nights on AstroTurf football pitchers in Lincoln

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<v Speaker 2>and Watford and Grimsby and Hole in East Fife. Because

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<v Speaker 2>this has been a brilliant month for British baseball, you

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<v Speaker 2>guys spoke very briefly about the under twenty threes winning

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<v Speaker 2>the Euros just at the back end of August in

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<v Speaker 2>the last podcast. Unfortunately Russell, who's really our expert on

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<v Speaker 2>that team, dropped off the call and he's not able

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<v Speaker 2>to join us this evening. But that was a really

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<v Speaker 2>great achievement. Huge congratulations to coach John Cramman, who's an

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely awesome dude who has his own outstanding and a

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<v Speaker 2>very original baseball story. A man who took up baseball

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<v Speaker 2>overlooking Finsbury Park where he lived. He has a club foot,

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<v Speaker 2>he's brought himself through that club and now he's an

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<v Speaker 2>international tournament winning baseball coach. Some brilliant players in that team,

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<v Speaker 2>guys who are playing at Duke and at George Mason University,

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<v Speaker 2>like some really really like that. The future is bright,

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<v Speaker 2>not just because they're winners, but because they're part of

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<v Speaker 2>excellent programs, and that's just testament to a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>hard work and a lot of really long hours and

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<v Speaker 2>people like John and Connor Brooks and Drew Spencer and

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<v Speaker 2>Liam Carroll and Christmas set and all of the guys

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<v Speaker 2>involved in that program. So huge congrats and not to

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<v Speaker 2>be one up. A couple of weeks later the Great

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<v Speaker 2>Britain women's team, who we've heard from a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>times so for the course of the last few years,

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<v Speaker 2>they also went and won like the Open Age Women's

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball Championship, which was incredible. You know, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>team that's been brought together two or three years ago

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<v Speaker 2>by Doris Hocketing and they're already European champions. So that

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<v Speaker 2>investment that's come from UK Sport, from Sport England and

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<v Speaker 2>others into making this an elite program finding players who

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<v Speaker 2>are willing to play and commit from different heritages is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Not to diminish the success of the gents, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the women's team playing in the British domestic game,

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<v Speaker 2>people like Jess Vernon, the Sisters over in Sheffield, Laura Hira,

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<v Speaker 2>of them just awesome And both the under twenty threes

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<v Speaker 2>and the women are now going to be representing Great

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<v Speaker 2>Britain in the World Cup, which is awesome. So they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to duke it out against the Ussays

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<v Speaker 2>and the Japans and the Venezuelas and the Dominicans. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just awesome better, isn't it Really cool?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like you said, people who've played British baseball in

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<v Speaker 3>the UK will likely have come across some of these

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<v Speaker 3>players just because they, as you said, have been in

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<v Speaker 3>the league for a long time, a lot of them

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<v Speaker 3>and grinding and working really hard on their craft. And

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<v Speaker 3>I know there's come leaps and bounds actually be programming

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<v Speaker 3>a pipe dream initially to a team that is worthy

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<v Speaker 3>enough to be European Champions, which is amazing. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think you know, we talked about the impact that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>GB qualifying WBC had on you know, kids in this

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<v Speaker 3>country seeing what you know, people top level can do

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<v Speaker 3>and what that dream can be of competing and represent

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<v Speaker 3>your country. Well, I think the same holds true for

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<v Speaker 3>the women. It's an area that is super underrepresented in

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<v Speaker 3>this country of women taking part in baseball and being

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<v Speaker 3>baseball fans. And I think this is a massive step

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<v Speaker 3>towards showing that just because you're a young girl or

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<v Speaker 3>a young woman, it doesn't mean that you can't play

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<v Speaker 3>the sport at the highest level. So massive congratulations to them.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a huge moment and hopefully they can

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<v Speaker 3>kick on bigger things in future.

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<v Speaker 2>Tea. Yeah, and the celebrations didn't stop there for British

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<v Speaker 2>baseball because those of you who are regular listens to

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast will engage in British baseball in any way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well know that we have a parasocial relationship with one

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<v Speaker 2>baseball player in particular who has being a really important

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<v Speaker 2>part in growing the profile of the sport, like really

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<v Speaker 2>proud of his British heritage, and that's Harry Ford. And

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<v Speaker 2>Harry got his Menu League call up to the Mariners

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<v Speaker 2>to join their squad in September and made his mejuor

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<v Speaker 2>League debut this week, which, again, Ben, that's just incredible, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's something that we've been waiting for for a while

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<v Speaker 2>and we were absolutely cocker hoop to see.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, we've been Harry Ford fans for a very

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<v Speaker 3>long time, and rightly so. As you said, it's been

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<v Speaker 3>an amazing advocate for baseball in his country, has been

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<v Speaker 3>our best player, I think, indisputably and in several major tournaments.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that, not me personally, but people on this

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<v Speaker 3>podcast have got a really close persh relationship with his dad,

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<v Speaker 3>who by all accounts is an amazing guy. I think

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<v Speaker 3>we all know how exciting the future is for Harry,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think great that he gets a chance to

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<v Speaker 3>get his feet wet at the major league level and

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<v Speaker 3>see how he competes up there, and I think we're

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<v Speaker 3>excited to see what he can do this month and yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>next year, hopefully representing GB, but also just yeah, in

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<v Speaker 2>I think the only downside, Rob is it means that Harry,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, is going to be otherwise indisposed and won't

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<v Speaker 2>be able to applay for Great Britain in the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>coming European Championships because he was a real cornerstone of

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<v Speaker 2>their run to the final last time rounds. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that Brad Marcelino has played a big role in bringing

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<v Speaker 2>Harry into the GB sat up, so it'll be a

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<v Speaker 2>bittersweet for Brad that in his bowers GB skip, he's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be able to to lean on his

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<v Speaker 2>main man.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I mean like he he he didn't carry the team.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's unfair to the rest of the team.

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<v Speaker 2>He was n rob but.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the pinnacle there. He was the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the guy will look to. He's the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that that became the talisman and and you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>was really really exciting and and it's it's really he

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<v Speaker 1>really sort of caught the attention and we all watched

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<v Speaker 1>and we all we all praise, we all jumped up

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<v Speaker 1>and down about Harry Ford. So yeah, absolutely, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>sad that he's he's maybe maybe not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>involved as much as he once was. But look, the

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<v Speaker 1>guy is moving on. He's moving up, and what he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to start doing playing in the majors is only

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<v Speaker 1>going to develop the way he's going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to play for GB in the in the World Baseball Classics.

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<v Speaker 1>So look, it's positive, it's great. We want this guy

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<v Speaker 1>to do well. He is. He is excelling. We knew

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to excel. We could see that, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to happen, so we're all for it. It's great,

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<v Speaker 1>it's good. Good's good news at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it absolutely is. Congratulations to Harry, Congratulations to his

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<v Speaker 2>dad Alan, and to everyone in the Mariners system who's

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<v Speaker 2>helped develop him into an outstanding baseball player and an

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary young man. As we said, the European Baseball Championships

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<v Speaker 2>are upon us. They're start in just over a week

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<v Speaker 2>in Holland, and we are going to have our on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground correspondent, mister Gavin Tramps himself. He's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be out there covering it for backflips and nerds, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know he's going to have an opportunity to speak

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<v Speaker 2>to Brad ahead of the tournament, and hopefully he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to get an opportunity to check in with some of

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<v Speaker 2>the players as well. Of course, they're their trusty mascot,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Andy Brown, the painter. He's going to absolutely hate

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<v Speaker 2>trusty mascot. Look, he got he got a winner's medal

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<v Speaker 2>at the women's tournament, which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>We can get a felt Andy Brown to like jump

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<v Speaker 1>around with maybe a crown on in the uniform and

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<v Speaker 1>it could be the actual mascot I want to see

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<v Speaker 1>a felt version.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to see a felt version of I do?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see fairies thing. It's not that, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see like headed felt version.

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<v Speaker 3>Painting fanatic.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do absolute.

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<v Speaker 2>And Ben, yeah, I can't. I can't top that. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>congratulations to GB women, Congratulations to g B under twenty

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<v Speaker 2>threes and to the talisman himself, Harry Ford. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is Ben.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got one quick thing if you're going to segue

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<v Speaker 3>away from British baseballis but on that subject, this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the BND. Is that what it was?

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<v Speaker 3>We can come on to my story because I've got

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<v Speaker 3>a very good one about Richmond's own endeavors in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 3>But the British base in Federation playoff are upon us

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<v Speaker 3>this weekend is NBL finals and quite excitingly, they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be broadcast live on YouTube as they were last year,

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<v Speaker 3>but live on Talksports YouTube channel, which I think is

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<v Speaker 3>quite a big upgrade from where they were last year.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the same group Journey Sports and of course

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<v Speaker 3>it will have our very own Russell Lisum on comms.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that's this weekend Farnham Park. I think coverage starts.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me get my facts right here. Saturday is the

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<v Speaker 1>The more abuse you can tweet at him during it,

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<v Speaker 2>We were going to talk a little bit about what's

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<v Speaker 1>So uh the A lot of the TV deals are

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<v Speaker 1>MLB is dutifully renegotiating. We all know that the regional

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<v Speaker 1>Now it seems they are potentially going to buy the

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<v Speaker 1>whole shebang for the broadcast of baseball. Well, that's all fine,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all happening in America, that's all happening to Major

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<v Speaker 1>who gets paid what. That's not really what I'm interested in.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to see nice baseball. However, seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>nice baseball is where the questions are going to come. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>MLBtv by being bought by ESPN is potentially a concern

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<v Speaker 1>as ESPN are they're buying up an awful lot of sports,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly NFL stuff, to put on their app, which you

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<v Speaker 1>at the ESPN app and I've found that everything on

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<v Speaker 1>So something's going to have to happen. We are not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be left with no baseball. That is absolutely impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>something is coming for us, It's absolutely true. But something

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<v Speaker 1>it's very much to watch this space. It's all contractual stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing has been decided whatsoever, but it's potentially going to

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<v Speaker 1>we can all agree that when it comes to streaming services,

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<v Speaker 1>not concern. Concern is too strong because there will be

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<v Speaker 1>a solution, however, just keeping an eye on what is

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the best value deal going MLB TV, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>watch this space on that. Let's hope that we're not

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<v Speaker 2>college football, Darius and college basketball have been in the UK,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's been almost impossible to watch both of those

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<v Speaker 2>that that. I'm sure it will be being worked through.

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<v Speaker 2>We were going to move on to the Mount rush all,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just wanted to just popped into my head

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<v Speaker 2>That immediately sprung to mind, the very recent one, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>literally I couldn't believe what I was hearing and reading

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<v Speaker 2>And that's after three or four years of being the

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<v Speaker 2>story marginal right. He was a very very good picture

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time, and then he was okay, Buddy

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<v Speaker 2>threw the ball very hard, and he is now better

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<v Speaker 2>than he has ever been. And literally he was reading

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<v Speaker 2>a start earlier on today he is. He now has

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<v Speaker 2>the record Tide record for the most batter's faced without

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<v Speaker 2>he gets one more, that's the MLB record. So, Rob,

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<v Speaker 2>you've obviously heard the story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about locating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was going to say, have you any idea, Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>what what the what the secret rest secret in this

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<v Speaker 2>recipe is? So he explained this apparently to Buster Olney

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<v Speaker 2>quite recently. What's what's been the difference? And it was

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<v Speaker 2>in spring training this year using PitchCom for the first time,

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out he can throw the ball hard where he

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<v Speaker 3>Aiming.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you get to thirty five and like one

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<v Speaker 1>I like, I like the idea that sometimes it's spring training.

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<v Speaker 1>You like, there's he's looking in, he's got the pitch

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<v Speaker 2>Up, Uh hey this is good man, do you I

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<v Speaker 1>Could he good? He could have been throwing one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>he's got all those options the world. His world has

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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely inside genuinely one of my favorite baseball stories

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<v Speaker 2>in it can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Be real, though, can it be?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly really like that. No one has ever said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got off We've got off topic there, Rob.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, sorry, yes, absolutely, but he can't be true got.

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<v Speaker 2>Onto the main bit and Rob's absolutely collapsed in on himself.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that? What is that what you thought? What you're

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<v Speaker 3>That is not what I thought I was going to hear. No. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>of all the things for a major league picture to

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<v Speaker 3>finally figure out aiming where to pitch. It was not

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<v Speaker 3>what I thought you were going to tell me. But

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<v Speaker 3>that is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you were like, oh, he's found a new pitch

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<v Speaker 2>or no, he's changed his mechanic on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of the rubber, he's been tipping. No, fundamentally, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit like you, Ben. You know, when you found out

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<v Speaker 2>which obviously what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>It might be what's.

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<v Speaker 2>Holding you back.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to go of a home run every time.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite bit, my favorite I mean obviously within the

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<v Speaker 2>an hour, because it's quite hard to hit that. But

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that you could literally just throw the ball

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<v Speaker 2>that killed me. It wasn't the I didn't notice do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair enough anyway, from the ridiculous to the ridiculous, Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna hand this over to you to

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<v Speaker 3>My best sort of brainstorming on Yeah, some ideas of

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<v Speaker 3>things we could do on the pod beyond just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>would be we would carve into granite because we think

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<v Speaker 3>so much about it. So I guess what we initially

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<v Speaker 3>were foundational to our baseball fandom. But we have done

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<v Speaker 3>something similar to that in the past, so we've tried

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<v Speaker 3>to mix it up a little bit. It was Rob's

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<v Speaker 3>idea actually to maybe try and relate them more to

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<v Speaker 3>the faces that are carved into the stone or Mount Rushmore,

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<v Speaker 3>which I'll admit I top of my head would not

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<v Speaker 3>but for those who are unaware, it is Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt, Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the right order. So we thought we

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<v Speaker 3>Them in that guy so well, I come up with

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<v Speaker 3>my suggestions, which admitted you, I didn't come up to

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<v Speaker 3>until about three hours before we started recording. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think Rob had a different direction with his plan slightly

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<v Speaker 3>was that we try and categorize and say that your

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<v Speaker 3>George Washington player will be your first favorite player. He

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<v Speaker 3>foundational piece to your baseball fandom. Then you're Jefferson, who

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<v Speaker 3>was the He was the author of the Declaration of Independence,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe. So I thought we could go for our

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<v Speaker 3>our own independent thinking. That was my theory on that one.

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<v Speaker 3>Skipping to Lincoln. He's kind of considered, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>favorite player, however you want to define that. Telly Roosevelt

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have a clue what to do with him. My

421
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<v Speaker 3>suggestion was, do we do player we love to hate?

422
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<v Speaker 3>Because I feel like, not that people hate Teddy Roosevelt,

423
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<v Speaker 3>but he's probably the most forgettable face on Mount Rushmore.

424
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<v Speaker 3>But then you suggested, John, maybe we take a bit

425
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<v Speaker 3>more literally and actually just say the player who people

426
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<v Speaker 3>forget was really good as our Roosevelt instead. So I'm

427
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<v Speaker 3>happy to go either way with that one. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think we're going to try and go around each of

429
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<v Speaker 3>us and put a name up for each category, or

430
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<v Speaker 3>Rob's going to tell us his own made up categories

431
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<v Speaker 3>that he's gone with, and then I guess we will

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<v Speaker 3>encourage listeners to send in their own submissions. I don't

433
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<v Speaker 3>know how this is going to go.

434
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<v Speaker 2>But are you going to make of them? You're going

435
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<v Speaker 2>to make AI slap of them?

436
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<v Speaker 3>So great, we are going to make AI slop at that, definitely,

437
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Yeah, how do you want to start?

438
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<v Speaker 1>Right?

439
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<v Speaker 2>Well? I mean I feel like we should leave Rob

440
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<v Speaker 2>to last on all of these.

441
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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, I'm I'm in lying on some of.

442
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<v Speaker 2>Them because who knows, right? So, Ben, I think you

443
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<v Speaker 2>know this was this is your idea. It's a great idea.

444
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<v Speaker 2>So why don't you you do the honors and let's

445
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<v Speaker 2>start with your your Washington, your your your foundational favorite player.

446
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<v Speaker 3>Sounds good? Yeah, I'll use this as a chance to

447
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<v Speaker 3>plug the website to just keep GUB happy because they

448
00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:27.079
<v Speaker 3>do have that running series of is it just my

449
00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:30.039
<v Speaker 3>favorite player something like that that has been going on

450
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<v Speaker 3>for a while.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Now.

452
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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to get murdered by Brett forgetting what it's.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Called excellent research. Ben.

454
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so make sure you submit your article.

455
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<v Speaker 2>Look the YouTube comments. A guy called Brett is just.

456
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:47.519
<v Speaker 3>Very upset with me. Make your favorite player to the website.

457
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<v Speaker 3>I already did that and I wrote my article was

458
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<v Speaker 3>a couple of years ago, now about right, the Colorado Rockies.

459
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<v Speaker 3>Who's going to be my personal Washington? Yeah? I don't

460
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<v Speaker 3>know what it was about him or Yes. Became a

461
00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:04.160
<v Speaker 3>Rockies fan when I first started following baseball, which was

462
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.559
<v Speaker 3>enormous mistake. But we're here now, and at that time

463
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:09.359
<v Speaker 3>they were quite an exciting team. Try to little Whisky

464
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<v Speaker 3>Carlos Gonzalez, Ibardo, Jim Andez. They were, you know, maybe

465
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<v Speaker 3>not good, but certainly feisty. Some of those players are

466
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<v Speaker 3>about all of those players are better than everywhere on

467
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<v Speaker 3>the current team. But yeah, Carlos Gonzalez crowd my attention.

468
00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:29.519
<v Speaker 3>Cargo as he was known, very stylish, left handed hitter.

469
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<v Speaker 3>He was a king of not necessarily the bat flip,

470
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<v Speaker 3>but the bat drop, which arguably even cooler than the

471
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<v Speaker 3>bat flip. He had a walk off home runs Rockies

472
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<v Speaker 3>answer rop have you heard of it? He had a

473
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<v Speaker 3>walk off home run to complete the cycle, which was

474
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<v Speaker 3>alredly awesome. So yeah, he captured my attention very early.

475
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<v Speaker 3>Just thought that guy's call Baseball's call. I like him

476
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<v Speaker 3>a lot. He obviously then declined considerably and was a

477
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<v Speaker 3>shell of himself for the last three years in a

478
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<v Speaker 3>Rocky uniform. Just a running theme with that team. But

479
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<v Speaker 3>he will always, I think, have my heart as my

480
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:08.799
<v Speaker 3>first favorite player. So yeah, Colors Gonzalez of the Rockies,

481
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<v Speaker 3>that's a good one.

482
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<v Speaker 1>He was know whey he finished. No, he was a

483
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Mariner and he played on as long as twenty twenty.

484
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<v Speaker 2>Goodness, gracious, I'd never have thought that. I'd have thought

485
00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.759
<v Speaker 2>he definitely finished in Mexico. I kind of like that.

486
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<v Speaker 2>He just went out at the top.

487
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Though Marin hasn't done.

488
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's disappeared.

489
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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, no, sorry, sorry, they released him before the

490
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<v Speaker 1>season began. My apologies.

491
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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say about how how many washed

492
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<v Speaker 2>up players as as Jerry Depoto signed to try and

493
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<v Speaker 2>get a tune out of Donovan Solano looking at you, pal,

494
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I like that one. Sorry, Sorry for the drive by

495
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:51.599
<v Speaker 2>and Donovan Solano, that's not really what we're here for.

496
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<v Speaker 2>I really like Cargo. It was a great player. A

497
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:57.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of swag. I like the batdrops. I don't know

498
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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, but we all like a bat flip.

499
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:02.519
<v Speaker 2>But Rob, I think with Ben, I like the swaggy

500
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<v Speaker 2>backdrops of Cargo. They were Look.

501
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<v Speaker 1>A backdrop in Colorado is a tiny fraction of a

502
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<v Speaker 1>second longer than a backdrop anywhere else in the majors.

503
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<v Speaker 2>That's true. I was going to say, it's almost a

504
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<v Speaker 2>bat flip.

505
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<v Speaker 1>Hang on, wait, no, is it? I don't know. Inner

506
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:24.400
<v Speaker 1>air but less gravity? I actually don't know.

507
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<v Speaker 2>It definitely would have more amplitude, you know, because there's

508
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<v Speaker 2>less friction.

509
00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, but if you're just dropping, is that

510
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<v Speaker 1>is that friction on the air versus the less gravity

511
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<v Speaker 1>because you're higher up? Hashtag physics?

512
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. I mean, where's Russell when you

513
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<v Speaker 2>need him? It's not something I say often, but this

514
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<v Speaker 2>this is the occasion for it. Anyone should we do

515
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:53.680
<v Speaker 2>phone a friend? I'm not doing that. Imagine phoner friend,

516
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:59.240
<v Speaker 2>phone Russell? Why have you used the lifeline on this?

517
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:04.960
<v Speaker 2>You absolutely clown. You don't deserve sixty four pounds. It's off.

518
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Only Dodgy's reference for everyone who was younger.

519
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Still on the tally, Mate Clarkson Jesus, you go. You

520
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.160
<v Speaker 2>don't watch you don't watch ITV in your house, mate, Yeah,

521
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:18.960
<v Speaker 2>we don't, we don't.

522
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't even have the app downloaded. I'm not interested

523
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:24.920
<v Speaker 1>in the violin and it's many many anyway movies you watch.

524
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.119
<v Speaker 2>You watch mister Bates versus the Post Office and then

525
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:33.559
<v Speaker 2>deleted it. That might have happened at my house anyway, Rob.

526
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<v Speaker 1>It was your BBC man, George Washington.

527
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<v Speaker 2>Three more weeks, mate, Yeah, George Washington.

528
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:43.279
<v Speaker 1>George Washington, the founder. Absolutely, And you know what, I've

529
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:47.359
<v Speaker 1>stayed on topic, on topic, and.

530
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.160
<v Speaker 2>I thought you might sing this song mate from Hamilton,

531
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:51.279
<v Speaker 2>thought that would be your part.

532
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:54.519
<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of Hamilton I was going through. Yeah,

533
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:57.319
<v Speaker 1>but no, no, I've stayed away from from George from

534
00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Hamilton on this because there is a baseball link there

535
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:07.240
<v Speaker 1>isn't there because of old one Old Miranda's Miranda's cousin

536
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>is playing for the Twins. Yeah he is there.

537
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:11.160
<v Speaker 2>We go.

538
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely wonderful, moving swiftly on again.

539
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

540
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Sammy Sosa. Sammy Sosa was my intro to baseball when

541
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:24.599
<v Speaker 1>I was but a wee whipper snapper. I got taken

542
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:28.519
<v Speaker 1>on holidays to the United States to broaden my cultural views.

543
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:31.759
<v Speaker 1>And there were little gaps, little gaps in the day

544
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:37.240
<v Speaker 1>between visiting the Pencil Museum and the Grand Canyon, and

545
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:39.519
<v Speaker 1>during the little gaps, I put the television on, and

546
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:44.119
<v Speaker 1>during daytime television was predominantly the Chicago Cubs, and it

547
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:46.079
<v Speaker 1>was just something to stare at. And I wasn't into

548
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>it at the time. It was just something to stare

549
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>at whilst I was there. And this was roughly nineteen

550
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:53.039
<v Speaker 1>ninety three nineteen ninety four ish when Sammy Sosa was

551
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>absolutely just smashing, smashing home runs left, right and center,

552
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:58.599
<v Speaker 1>and I swear I turned that TV on three four

553
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:00.839
<v Speaker 1>five times over a couple of his and it was

554
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>always Sammy Sosa hitting a home run. I couldn't tell

555
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>you anything else about those Cubs teams other than the

556
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:07.519
<v Speaker 1>fact that I know that they still had the curse

557
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:09.279
<v Speaker 1>and they've not won. I couldn't tell you anything else

558
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:11.480
<v Speaker 1>but Sammy Sosa. Every time he came up to bat,

559
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:13.359
<v Speaker 1>I heard the name said on the TV, and even

560
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:14.759
<v Speaker 1>if I was looking at something else, I would I

561
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>would buy eyes straight back to it and that that

562
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>was the man, that was the guy, mister Sammy Sosa.

563
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I've got to watch the sport. I

564
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:23.599
<v Speaker 1>gotta see more of this because something I got myself

565
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.599
<v Speaker 1>a little glove, and I got myself a baseball and

566
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I stood there. I would catch it because I had

567
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:31.079
<v Speaker 1>no one to throw it too, because no one else

568
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:33.400
<v Speaker 1>is interested. But I would catch it, I would say,

569
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>with Sammy Sosa catching the bill. And this has got

570
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:40.440
<v Speaker 1>really really sad and pathetic. I have Sammy Sosa, so

571
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:42.799
<v Speaker 1>I could have easily been a Cubs fan. This is

572
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>pre pre raised even existing. So Sammy Sosa was my guy,

573
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:49.559
<v Speaker 1>and he was heaved my way into the sport. I

574
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>thought a little bit about, you know, going Cardinals in

575
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I thought a little bit about going Cardinals in two

576
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>thousand and three because you know, they were on Channel

577
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>five constantly, but I couldn't find the exact player I

578
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 1>remember seeing, so, you know, and because I was mostly

579
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:09.839
<v Speaker 1>doing university evening things which perhaps interfit memory less about

580
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the Epstein Sorry next what sorry? Okay, yeah, this has

581
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>taking a turn. Nod, Yeah, we're all going to prison.

582
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:31.759
<v Speaker 2>You are man.

583
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, if it wasn't Sammy So I didn't have a

584
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.440
<v Speaker 1>quick thing about you know, everyone, James Lonely. That was

585
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>the first time I went to a baseball game. But no,

586
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>it was Sammy Sosa got me into the sport. And

587
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.519
<v Speaker 1>and despite how weird his wedding photos were many years later.

588
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>If you don't know what I'm talking about, google it. Yeah,

589
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Sammy Sosa remains my entry, my founder choice.

590
00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.839
<v Speaker 2>That's a really that's a that's a really really good one. Yeah.

591
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:06.319
<v Speaker 2>So I I think I've talked about this before when

592
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>we've done a sort of a different type of spin

593
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:14.519
<v Speaker 2>on a not dissimilar conversation, and so mine and I

594
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.359
<v Speaker 2>know I've kind of split between two names, Like there's

595
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.839
<v Speaker 2>a really obvious one for me, which is which is

596
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>David Ortiz right? Because he is he is incredible And

597
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I started watching the Red Sox two thousand and three,

598
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:33.119
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four, it's when he joined. But the

599
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.559
<v Speaker 2>answer that I've gone with because that's a boring and

600
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>dull answer and one that everyone would expect from me,

601
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>and because it's true, is Andrew Jones just a player

602
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:49.119
<v Speaker 2>I absolutely adored, same era as Rob watching those late

603
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:55.960
<v Speaker 2>night Channel five shows with Josh Chetwynd and another bloke. Yeah,

604
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:58.759
<v Speaker 2>they Andrew Jones used to player that really stuck out

605
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:03.880
<v Speaker 2>to me like, incredibly great hitter in a really outstanding

606
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Atlanta Braves team with Chipper and Greg Maddox and John Smaltz,

607
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.839
<v Speaker 2>Tom Glavin and others. But and then I was just

608
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.240
<v Speaker 2>an outrageous fielder. You know, I'm I've talked about a

609
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:18.599
<v Speaker 2>lot on this podcast. I'm a huge cricket fan. And

610
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>seeing a guy he was that smooth, like so fielding

611
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.680
<v Speaker 2>is just something that I get, right, Seeing a guy

612
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.079
<v Speaker 2>is that smooth in the outfield, able to read where

613
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.359
<v Speaker 2>the ball is going, like this is the thing that

614
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.400
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of people who watch baseball like it.

615
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.240
<v Speaker 2>It was really easy. Look, they've got a big glove on, right,

616
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>It's easier than catching it. Again, it is easier than

617
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:41.319
<v Speaker 2>catching a cricket ball. But if you've ever played in

618
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:43.839
<v Speaker 2>the outfielding cricket, reading where a ball is going to be,

619
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.839
<v Speaker 2>it's really really hard. So I had a real appreciation

620
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:48.599
<v Speaker 2>for how good he was. And he was like a

621
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:51.599
<v Speaker 2>generational talent, right if you see guys like Pete Crow

622
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Saddan Rafaela nowadays or Jackie Brandley Jr. A

623
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.559
<v Speaker 2>few years ago, like he was that good. But he

624
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:03.799
<v Speaker 2>was away a better hitter, probably even than PCI. He's

625
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:07.799
<v Speaker 2>absolutely outstanding and for years and years and years and

626
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.119
<v Speaker 2>also again a bit like Cargo, he had that like

627
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:14.640
<v Speaker 2>really cool, like swaggy X factor about him. So yeah,

628
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:18.440
<v Speaker 2>he's a guy who I loved when I was in

629
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:22.400
<v Speaker 2>my sort of baseball watching infancy. So Andrew Jones is

630
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>my it's my foundation foundational pick, and he should be

631
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:27.200
<v Speaker 2>in the Hall of Fame in fact, isn't It's just

632
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:33.200
<v Speaker 2>ludicrous cooler, right should we? I don't know whether. I

633
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:35.079
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you should do like a snape draft?

634
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Shall I just go with should I do the Jefferson

635
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>one as well? And then I'll come back in the

636
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>other direction?

637
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Right?

638
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:44.359
<v Speaker 2>So I did go with the Hamilton thing for this,

639
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:52.799
<v Speaker 2>right ah? Yeah, right, yeah yeah? And Hamilton in the

640
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.119
<v Speaker 2>in the original version, in the version that's on Disney,

641
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.799
<v Speaker 2>played by David Diggs. He is in a really brilliant

642
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>band called Clipping, who are amazing, and he's very very cool,

643
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.359
<v Speaker 2>and the coolest player I could think of was David Ortiz.

644
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.599
<v Speaker 2>So no, I'm not I'm doing a bit. I'm doing

645
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.239
<v Speaker 2>a bit. I'm not going to pick David Orties for

646
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:14.880
<v Speaker 2>all them. I probably am, though. No, the actual answer

647
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I've just gone absolutely route one on this player. You

648
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:20.760
<v Speaker 2>would not expect me to love Aaron Judge, I think

649
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.760
<v Speaker 2>is absolutely amazing. Again, I'm over and over and over again.

650
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 2>I've talked about Aaron Judge on this podcast basted on coolness. No, no,

651
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.320
<v Speaker 2>but like this is in the spirit of independence. Who

652
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 2>would you not expect me to like?

653
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, right, okay, right?

654
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Because he's a Yankee, because he's the captain of the Yankees,

655
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.360
<v Speaker 2>he's the best player in the Yankees. He is just

656
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>so good. He is so good, and he's so humble,

657
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:49.440
<v Speaker 2>and he's so likable, and I hate the fact that

658
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:51.840
<v Speaker 2>he plays for the team that I do not like.

659
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.480
<v Speaker 2>He's just brilliant and he is a great ambassador for

660
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.440
<v Speaker 2>the sport. He's a brilliant player. He's ludicrously huge, he

661
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.360
<v Speaker 2>looks exact actly like what athletes are supposed to look like.

662
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:06.280
<v Speaker 2>He's got really cute dogs. I just like everything about

663
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.199
<v Speaker 2>the guy, and I hate myself for it. So yeah,

664
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>my my sort of spirit of independence by Thomas Jefferson Pick.

665
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Speaker 2>When I'm not doing a Davvy digs bit, listen to

666
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:18.679
<v Speaker 2>clipping right band is is Aaron Judge? Rob back in

667
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:19.320
<v Speaker 2>your direction.

668
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I'd just say, Aaron Judge is I think anyone who

669
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.480
<v Speaker 1>is watching baseball via MLB TV at the moment is

670
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.559
<v Speaker 1>we maybe love Aaron Judge, but Aaron Judge's dog I

671
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 1>have had enough of. I do not care what Aaron

672
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Judge's dog thinks about Aaron Judge because I have heard

673
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>it every yet break for no innings, every single game,

674
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and if it's not him, it's show here, TARNI and

675
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:46.199
<v Speaker 1>I've had enoughing of his dogs. I'm I'm but I

676
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't see that dog anymore. I don't care about It's

677
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 1>enough about of dogs. You have used them.

678
00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Rob, We've had this time before with the rally birds.

679
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh it's.

680
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Perennial mistakes, my god.

681
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, like we we as as foreigners to this sport,

682
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>have to suffer the repeated adverts again and again. I'm

683
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>still haunted hinted by by Mike trum poem from twenty twenty.

684
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.599
<v Speaker 1>I do not want to hear it like it's just

685
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:27.880
<v Speaker 1>just just mix it up, like give me the twenty

686
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:29.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty stuff again. Just I don't want to hear anything

687
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.800
<v Speaker 1>more about and Judge's dog. But he's great hitting diggers,

688
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.599
<v Speaker 1>so yes, I agree, with your pick. Well done.

689
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Sorry I like his dog, but sorry, just kind of

690
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:42.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's the dog.

691
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>I just don't hear from him anymore, right, Thomas Jefferson,

692
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Thomas Jefferson. Right, So I went in a slightly different

693
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.880
<v Speaker 1>different angle with Thomas Jefferson because I've been thinking about

694
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:55.760
<v Speaker 1>it a bit longer, and I looked at what Thomas

695
00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Jefferson did. Thomas Jefferson was a and this is tenuous,

696
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>a prolific inventors. Tenuous that he was also a prolific

697
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.559
<v Speaker 1>inventor because did you know Thomas Jefferson invented not over

698
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.519
<v Speaker 1>only the modeling plow, but he also invented the swivel chair,

699
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:20.039
<v Speaker 1>which was instrumental, instrumental in the writing of the Decoration

700
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of Independence. Absolutely, hey, look there you go. John is

701
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:29.519
<v Speaker 1>on a Jefferson right now. Jefferson's absolutely he And this

702
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:33.159
<v Speaker 1>is where it gets tenuous. He invented the swivel chair,

703
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:41.239
<v Speaker 1>which would be synonymous with laziness. So yeah, be with

704
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:49.039
<v Speaker 1>h So laziness would again be it could be, you know,

705
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.760
<v Speaker 1>linked with people who are maybe a little bit larger.

706
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.599
<v Speaker 1>As a slightly larger moment in myself, I know that

707
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:58.159
<v Speaker 1>laziness is a factor. So I wanted to talk a

708
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.639
<v Speaker 1>bit about guys who have body these that do not

709
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.480
<v Speaker 1>look like they belong in pro pro sports. And I

710
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:07.679
<v Speaker 1>went straight to source with the absolute pinnacle of the

711
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:08.639
<v Speaker 1>of this category.

712
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:11.440
<v Speaker 2>So that is it for Christ's.

713
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Hole. Will you bigger? So the big one who's taking

714
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>up the majority of my mount reshmore is one Jumbo Diaz.

715
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Diaz was a well he must have four zero point

716
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:29.559
<v Speaker 1>two war over his four year career with Cincinnati and

717
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the Rays. He went one hundred and sixty kilos, which

718
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 1>British is twenty five stone. Uh, and he could really

719
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.639
<v Speaker 1>really hard. And you know what, you do not see

720
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Jumbo Diaz is in cricket. You do not see Jumbo

721
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Diaz as in football. You certainly don't see Jumbo Diaz

722
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:51.159
<v Speaker 1>is in in sprinting, you know. So yeah, my, my,

723
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 1>my guy on the mountain is a big slab of

724
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.159
<v Speaker 1>Jumbo Diaz, you know. And you know what, when he

725
00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.880
<v Speaker 1>was playing like he got he was a big guy.

726
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.000
<v Speaker 1>He was different, Like it was exciting to see someone

727
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.079
<v Speaker 1>who looked like Jumbo Diaz strolling onto the field and

728
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 1>being a professional athlete. So yeah, you know what, and

729
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:11.800
<v Speaker 1>That's one of the brilliant things about baseball. Like you

730
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:17.599
<v Speaker 1>don't have to be a spelt you know, ripped Jancardo

731
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Stanton looking kind of guy to play the sport. You

732
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.199
<v Speaker 1>could be a Jumbo Diaz or a Jubber Chamberlain or

733
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, and Taylors, you know, play the game. Williams

734
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>asked to do absolutely there we go. So I'm I'm

735
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 1>big up on on. I said, Jose Milino out of

736
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:39.320
<v Speaker 1>my list as well, but Jumbo Diaz is who I'm

737
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:40.519
<v Speaker 1>putting on my mountain.

738
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Right, I mean, I mean, I'm I don't really know

739
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.320
<v Speaker 2>where we go from there because I'm just sort of

740
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:48.679
<v Speaker 2>regretting the whole endeavor.

741
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I had dream about this, but I'll tell you that later.

742
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 2>If you had given me not even a million guesses,

743
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:02.679
<v Speaker 2>like if you're on, if you've given me five million guesses,

744
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:07.039
<v Speaker 2>let's just discard the russianale, which, let's be honest, is

745
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:08.280
<v Speaker 2>absolutely mental.

746
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I just said, just name.

747
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Baseball players until you get it. I think I'd probably

748
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and the alternative is that you end up killing yourself

749
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:21.079
<v Speaker 2>before you get it. I'd be dead, mate.

750
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.679
<v Speaker 1>But who didn't you know we all look to Jumbo

751
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 1>look at the guy. That's cool.

752
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, there we go.

753
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:32.559
<v Speaker 3>It is just a great nickname.

754
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's it's great.

755
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I imagine it was his given name.

756
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Ron Seal, isn't it. That's exactly this guy is great,

757
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:46.400
<v Speaker 2>absolutely obese Jose Rafael.

758
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:51.719
<v Speaker 1>There we go, He's not He's a jumbo, So she's

759
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:55.559
<v Speaker 1>a jumbo. Absolutely yeah, save me.

760
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Strangely, my yeah, my flowchart for Jefferson didn't find the

761
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.920
<v Speaker 3>same path as Rob's. When I came to rationale, I

762
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:05.400
<v Speaker 3>do everyone just stuck. I stuck with, you know, someone

763
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 3>who I thought was that, you know, particularly odd independent

764
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:13.280
<v Speaker 3>favorite player of mine, and the name that I landed on,

765
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:18.320
<v Speaker 3>this is a real throwback, was Lucas Duda. Back in

766
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:21.440
<v Speaker 3>the day I cat myself a real you know, savant

767
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.599
<v Speaker 3>of the sport when I was writing more frequently about

768
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:26.519
<v Speaker 3>baseball and playing fantasy and thinking I was really smart.

769
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:29.360
<v Speaker 3>And I remember I don't know, watching a spring training

770
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 3>game and it must have been like twenty eleven or

771
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:34.440
<v Speaker 3>something and seeing Lucas Duda hit this effortless opposite field

772
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:36.360
<v Speaker 3>home run off Stephen Strasburg, and I was like, this

773
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:40.000
<v Speaker 3>is the guy, Like, I know baseball, I've seen this

774
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:43.800
<v Speaker 3>guy swing, Lucas Duda is going to be elite. He

775
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:44.960
<v Speaker 3>had a little bit of the jump of DZ to

776
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 3>him as well. Actually large large.

777
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Man, big lad big ladas.

778
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:51.360
<v Speaker 3>So for some reason in my head, I was like,

779
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.079
<v Speaker 3>Lucas Uda is the guy. So I just from that

780
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:55.519
<v Speaker 3>point on, I was fixated on this man's career. I

781
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.119
<v Speaker 3>honestly couldn't tell you how many career wore he put up.

782
00:41:58.119 --> 00:41:59.360
<v Speaker 3>I should looked that up. It would be you know,

783
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.920
<v Speaker 3>additive to the fact that he's on my list. But

784
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.519
<v Speaker 3>I don't think he's ever particularly good. You might have

785
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:05.559
<v Speaker 3>had like a twenty thirty home run season for the

786
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.760
<v Speaker 3>Mets at one point, and I think Mets fans probably

787
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:11.559
<v Speaker 3>remember him fondly, but he, yeah, certainly was never an

788
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:13.400
<v Speaker 3>elite players. Have a look his best. Yeah, he put

789
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 3>up three point two wins in twenty fifteen, Devin war

790
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:20.800
<v Speaker 3>seven more total six point six on fangrafts, so you know,

791
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:23.440
<v Speaker 3>probably not making it to the Hall of Fame. But

792
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.400
<v Speaker 3>I was just, yeh, fixated with with Lucas Duda. I

793
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:28.079
<v Speaker 3>thought this guy is amazing, And it turned out he

794
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:32.000
<v Speaker 3>couldn't field, couldn't particularly hit, and was crashed out of

795
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:34.159
<v Speaker 3>the League by the age of about thirty one thirty two.

796
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:38.760
<v Speaker 3>So shout out Lucasduda.

797
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Funny story, because I've never heard you say that before

798
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.320
<v Speaker 2>about Lucas Duda. So I've never told you this either.

799
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Lucas Duda is probably the only baseball player that my

800
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:51.400
<v Speaker 2>brother knows. Oh well, he's been too. Precisely one baseball

801
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 2>game in his life. Lucas went through the Mets when

802
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.159
<v Speaker 2>he went to New York and Lucas Duda hit home run.

803
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.679
<v Speaker 2>And now that he never listens to this. Hello, Tony,

804
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:06.239
<v Speaker 2>if you're listening, you're not. I love baseball. How's the

805
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:12.039
<v Speaker 2>baseball going? How's Lucas Duda doing? The conversation? That's his

806
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:16.079
<v Speaker 2>piss take out of me? Yeah, he no longer players

807
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:24.920
<v Speaker 2>and you know that well, I hope. Yeah. You guys

808
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:29.639
<v Speaker 2>love a great time. Led you a twenty five second conversation.

809
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:36.360
<v Speaker 2>There you go, Ben, I think you you retain conch

810
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:37.800
<v Speaker 2>go with it where you want. Whether you want to

811
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 2>go Lincoln or whether you want to go Jefferson, not Jefferson,

812
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Roosevelt is up to you.

813
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:47.079
<v Speaker 3>I'll take Lincoln. So yeah, I kept this to like link.

814
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:49.199
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't I feel like in.

815
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.280
<v Speaker 3>My baseball viewing lifetime, has been the best player I've

816
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.400
<v Speaker 3>had a pleasure of seeing, and yeah, as mentioned earlier,

817
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:59.119
<v Speaker 3>probably started following the sport twenty tennish, so only really

818
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 3>for the last fifteen issues, and hands down in that period,

819
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 3>it's Mike trout for me. From when he first arrived

820
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:09.960
<v Speaker 3>to the sport as a prodigious prospect at the age

821
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.679
<v Speaker 3>of nineteen through to now, really he's been the one

822
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.079
<v Speaker 3>of the best players in the sport when healthy, which

823
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.639
<v Speaker 3>sadly has not been so frequent in recent years. But

824
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:21.960
<v Speaker 3>it's just been amazing to watch him play. And I

825
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:23.880
<v Speaker 3>think a little bit to what you were saying about

826
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Aaron Judge, whereas like his talent is just so undeniable,

827
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:29.039
<v Speaker 3>and again you couldn't really hate my trout right plays

828
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:33.599
<v Speaker 3>for the Angels. He loves planes and weather and the Eagles.

829
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 3>Weather very vanilla man for someone who is such a

830
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:40.920
<v Speaker 3>superstar talent, but like when he's on the field, he

831
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.079
<v Speaker 3>is electric, And especially those first five years where he

832
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.000
<v Speaker 3>was an elite defensive center fielder, hip power, hit, the

833
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:49.880
<v Speaker 3>contact style bases, I just did everything, Yeah, box off

834
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.400
<v Speaker 3>his viewing really getting to watch him play, and I

835
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.079
<v Speaker 3>still feel very fortunate that we get to watch him now,

836
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:56.719
<v Speaker 3>all those powers of diminish. But yeah, for me, you know,

837
00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:00.000
<v Speaker 3>since I first started following baseball, his name's probably been

838
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:02.320
<v Speaker 3>mentioned as one to watch, and all the way through

839
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.159
<v Speaker 3>to now it's been it's been amazing to see him play.

840
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.320
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, for for me personally, my Mount lush More

841
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 3>greatest player I've got to see play, it would be

842
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:09.800
<v Speaker 3>my trail.

843
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that is you know, it's it's a

844
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.000
<v Speaker 2>straightforward answer because it's a good answer and it's a

845
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:18.840
<v Speaker 2>correct answer.

846
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, I fault it.

847
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool, I'm gonna I'm gonna hand over to you

848
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:26.559
<v Speaker 2>last on this one, Rob, So I'll just I'll just

849
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:32.000
<v Speaker 2>jump in and my answer is David Arties. Now, I'm

850
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 2>not I'm not it's not actually I'm not doing I'm

851
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:39.599
<v Speaker 2>not doing I'm doing a bit. I Yeah, I mean

852
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:42.360
<v Speaker 2>it could have been. And obviously, you know, probably my

853
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:46.159
<v Speaker 2>two favorite players are we've discussed Dad Knows You on

854
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:50.000
<v Speaker 2>this on this podcast are Cog you are and Jackie Bradley.

855
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.559
<v Speaker 2>But it would be churlish of me to suggest that

856
00:45:52.639 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 2>they merited posterity on my Mount Rushmore. But I've not

857
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.880
<v Speaker 2>strayed too far away because I am, you know, a

858
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:08.039
<v Speaker 2>heart absolute red Sox Homer, notwithstanding that little period where

859
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:09.320
<v Speaker 2>I had a bit of a sulk about the whole

860
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.079
<v Speaker 2>endeavor for a year or so. So I'm actually going

861
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.400
<v Speaker 2>to go with I think the player I've taken most

862
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.760
<v Speaker 2>joy from watching for the longest period of time is

863
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:24.559
<v Speaker 2>probably Dustin pa droit Right, he just is rob pulled

864
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:24.960
<v Speaker 2>of face.

865
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the ray's fun.

866
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:30.079
<v Speaker 2>And he thought I was gonna say Mackey bet Ton

867
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Pa Droya. I mean, you'd like to look Padoyas, but

868
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:35.039
<v Speaker 2>they're from like twenty seventeen through just sort of just

869
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 2>about tendentiously hanging on by twenty eighteen, he just you know, iconoclastic, right,

870
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:46.679
<v Speaker 2>he's tiny, He had you know, this really weird sigy

871
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:49.880
<v Speaker 2>of this silly little silly face. Like, let's be honest,

872
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:54.840
<v Speaker 2>he's not. He's an ugly man, like the build of

873
00:46:55.280 --> 00:47:04.000
<v Speaker 2>like someone's dad, you know, baldy hair, just an absolute

874
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.480
<v Speaker 2>dog like just just incredible, Like, how how did that

875
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.800
<v Speaker 2>guy hit home runs like that? How did he chase

876
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.519
<v Speaker 2>down balls like that? He just looked in no way

877
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:18.960
<v Speaker 2>looked like an athlete and then like just incredibly charismatic.

878
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Everyone hated him, like just attest to that. Yeah, I know,

879
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:26.599
<v Speaker 2>like and of course you hated him if he wasn't

880
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:29.079
<v Speaker 2>on your team. He was an absolute pain in the ass,

881
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:30.840
<v Speaker 2>like that proper leg like you know, like getting a

882
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:35.920
<v Speaker 2>like getting a thorn, your flipping in your foot, like horrible,

883
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.880
<v Speaker 2>horrible little man like you know, really needly little shit.

884
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:43.239
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I loved him and I still love him.

885
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Just absolutely brilliant, like and so much joy from watching him,

886
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:52.880
<v Speaker 2>that stupid wind up swing, everything about him. If he

887
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:57.320
<v Speaker 2>was on any other tea other than my team, I

888
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.360
<v Speaker 2>would have found him so annoying. But he was on

889
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.440
<v Speaker 2>my team, and I therefore just loved absolutely every single

890
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:06.599
<v Speaker 2>thing about him. So yeah, just in Portroya, it's my

891
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:10.519
<v Speaker 2>it's my, it's my goat. Not quite in the same

892
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:15.559
<v Speaker 2>level of talent or pantheon as Mike Trout. I will,

893
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.719
<v Speaker 2>I will, I will give you that, but I've taken

894
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:21.079
<v Speaker 2>slightly different interpretation.

895
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.000
<v Speaker 3>I assume he's not from Boston, but I feel like

896
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:28.079
<v Speaker 3>Patroya is a very good what's the word character relation

897
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:31.159
<v Speaker 3>of Boston. Is such a Boston guy, isn't he like that?

898
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:31.639
<v Speaker 1>For me?

899
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:33.320
<v Speaker 3>I think Red Sox, you think Patroya.

900
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you think that when he speaks, he's going to

901
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.199
<v Speaker 2>have that like mass whole accent in exactly the same

902
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.639
<v Speaker 2>way that whenever you hear Jonathan Pappleboron have like an

903
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Arkansas or accent, you're like you are.

904
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.079
<v Speaker 1>It's from Woodland, California.

905
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:54.119
<v Speaker 2>He's from California and Arizona, and you group in Arizona. Yeah,

906
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:58.480
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, Rob, who's your who's your goat or whatever

907
00:48:58.519 --> 00:48:59.480
<v Speaker 2>the hell you're gonna say.

908
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.000
<v Speaker 1>That's not what I did, because I'd already done this beforehand.

909
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:05.320
<v Speaker 1>So but first of all, Dustin peddrauya absolutely horrible little bugger.

910
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:09.159
<v Speaker 1>You're absolutely right, like like couldn't stand him, like really

911
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:11.039
<v Speaker 1>really couldn't stand him. And it wasn't because he was

912
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 1>so amazing. It was it was the face. It was

913
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.719
<v Speaker 1>the wind up, as he said, it was everything about him.

914
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:19.039
<v Speaker 1>Like that's it. For those of you watching on YouTube,

915
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:21.960
<v Speaker 1>John's just done the perfect Pa Drayer face. It's it's wonderful.

916
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I did write down eventually a couple of guys.

917
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Either way, if you want to irritate Dustin Pa Draya,

918
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:33.119
<v Speaker 2>just tag at Padroya's face. And but I hate you.

919
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I second that at Pa Draya's face is the one

920
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:40.519
<v Speaker 1>you want to get at. Yeah. Absolutely. I did write

921
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:42.840
<v Speaker 1>down a few few GotY options, you know, and it

922
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.320
<v Speaker 1>is just a long list of raised players that ends

923
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 1>in Evan Longoria. But that's not, unfortunately, where where I went.

924
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:52.760
<v Speaker 1>As I said, I I kind of I kind of

925
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:54.760
<v Speaker 1>looked at this before we sort of talked about it,

926
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:58.159
<v Speaker 1>and so I thought, Abraham Lincoln, what what is he?

927
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:02.239
<v Speaker 1>What is he known? Four? And I thought, like, pick

928
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.280
<v Speaker 1>slavery up, put that right back down. I'm not I'm

929
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:05.079
<v Speaker 1>not touching that.

930
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 2>So I thought, you know, living with another man in

931
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:11.519
<v Speaker 2>rural Illinois for a long time.

932
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, not going that one either. No, I went with

933
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:16.360
<v Speaker 1>he liked the theater.

934
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:18.199
<v Speaker 2>He was.

935
00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:21.599
<v Speaker 1>He was a keen theater goer. Maybe not always best

936
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:23.159
<v Speaker 1>for your health, but he was a keen theater goer.

937
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:26.559
<v Speaker 1>So I came a little bit left field with with

938
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:29.679
<v Speaker 1>what that led me to. And the third person I

939
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.119
<v Speaker 1>want to put on my my Mount Rushmore is actually

940
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:39.679
<v Speaker 1>actor Michael Keaton. And it's okay, yeah, I've gone, I've

941
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:42.000
<v Speaker 1>gone some odd directions here. So like the reason for

942
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Michael Keaton is mostly that my save baseball player for

943
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:48.960
<v Speaker 1>for reasons I can't really explain is is that Peter

944
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Borges looks a lot like Michael Keaton to my mind.

945
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:58.039
<v Speaker 1>So so I've always liked you know, Peter outfielder, Peter

946
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:02.760
<v Speaker 1>borgs uh and and Michael Keaton element there. But of

947
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:07.360
<v Speaker 1>course also play was in the movie The Founder where

948
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:11.079
<v Speaker 1>he played Ray Kroc, who was the owner of the

949
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:13.920
<v Speaker 1>San Diego Padre, so there was the baseball link there.

950
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:18.440
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Mike Michael Keaton is going up next to

951
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:24.440
<v Speaker 1>some Diaz and and Sammy Sosa on my baseball And

952
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:28.519
<v Speaker 1>I also considered Kevin Costa, Dennis Quaid, and Adrian Beltray.

953
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Those are my other options for this this category, but

954
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:33.199
<v Speaker 1>I ended up with Michael Keaton.

955
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Can you plays unpack why a those who are on

956
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:43.039
<v Speaker 2>the shortlist and b why they were discarded for the tape?

957
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:46.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so like like Costner was in was in like

958
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:50.719
<v Speaker 1>the reason Costa made it to the short list was

959
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.559
<v Speaker 1>obviously in baseball movies or be them crap baseball movies.

960
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:55.719
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sorry, as a raised fan I should like

961
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:59.639
<v Speaker 1>bull I don't. And when we come to Field of Dreams,

962
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.400
<v Speaker 1>it's the the worst most mortgage piece of crap ever

963
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:04.440
<v Speaker 1>put in cinema quite frankly, and I know, I know

964
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:06.920
<v Speaker 1>John is generally with me on the all baseball movies

965
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:11.159
<v Speaker 1>are crap terrible. Yeah, So like part from from the

966
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:12.960
<v Speaker 1>reason he made it to the short list was completely

967
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.440
<v Speaker 1>non baseball related. Was despite what everyone else said, I

968
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.639
<v Speaker 1>actually quite like water World. I thought that was quite

969
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:20.360
<v Speaker 1>a good movie. So I'm like Kevin Costa and he

970
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:24.400
<v Speaker 1>went and went on there. Dennis Quayne, of course, was

971
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.400
<v Speaker 1>was also in a couple of baseball movies, so he

972
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:29.199
<v Speaker 1>made made the list. And then I spent some brief

973
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:31.960
<v Speaker 1>time thinking about like actual baseball players who are quite seat.

974
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:34.159
<v Speaker 1>I thought Adrian Beltray was a lot of fun, you

975
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:37.400
<v Speaker 1>know with the head tapping stuff and you know, the

976
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.280
<v Speaker 1>dancing links class you know, like that's a classics. You

977
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.559
<v Speaker 1>know when he when he's yeah, he's not yeah, is

978
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.280
<v Speaker 1>he gonna go? No, he isn't going to go. He

979
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:48.079
<v Speaker 1>was always running away from and yes, so like like

980
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Beltray bet for me the shortest because of that. But

981
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:51.960
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I just couldn't move away from Michael

982
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Keaton because I really like him as an actor and

983
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:57.119
<v Speaker 1>his baseball links aretual.

984
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:01.320
<v Speaker 2>So I did know this, but I just googled it

985
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:06.159
<v Speaker 2>just to be sure, to sure myself. Michael Keaton is

986
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:10.559
<v Speaker 2>a huge Pirates fan. He is a huge fan, particularly

987
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:15.039
<v Speaker 2>of Mark Burley, that's his favorite player. Two things about

988
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Michael Keaton, One old, one new. Just look these up

989
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:20.239
<v Speaker 2>like they were sort of dangling in my mind, so

990
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:22.880
<v Speaker 2>it's double checking myself. One when he was Batman, he

991
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.679
<v Speaker 2>negotiated in his contract that filming would be paused in

992
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.159
<v Speaker 2>the event that the Pirates made the World Series. They

993
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.559
<v Speaker 2>did not say that clause was not not not needed timber,

994
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Tim Burton nose ball. And Two he in October of

995
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 2>last year publicly called on a podcast for Bob Nutting

996
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:49.079
<v Speaker 2>to sell the team. So baseball char Andy looks like

997
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Peter Borges, which I have looked that up and he does.

998
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:59.159
<v Speaker 2>I forgotten about it is I'd forgotten about, like can

999
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:03.599
<v Speaker 2>you just because I can't remember and obviously it's a

1000
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:08.320
<v Speaker 2>long time since. Why why are you obsessed with Peter Borges.

1001
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Because he looks like That's pretty simple.

1002
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:14.199
<v Speaker 2>It isn't even five of your team, and that is

1003
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:14.679
<v Speaker 2>literally it.

1004
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:15.119
<v Speaker 3>He did.

1005
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:18.840
<v Speaker 1>He did play for the Raids very briefly, but no,

1006
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:20.719
<v Speaker 1>it's because because he looked like look like Batman. That

1007
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:22.079
<v Speaker 1>was Yeah, that's why I.

1008
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Like God right, Yeah, okay, fair enough.

1009
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh look it's a better pick than Jumbo Diaz. I like.

1010
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:32.760
<v Speaker 2>I like both of them. I like both of them.

1011
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I really regret the fact that I've got to do this.

1012
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:37.800
<v Speaker 2>But it's you again.

1013
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, No, just wanted took Seriously, it's fine. The

1014
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:46.360
<v Speaker 1>way I got there wasn't. But I mean, so Theodore Roosevelt,

1015
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:48.519
<v Speaker 1>he was. He was difficult to look up as to

1016
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:50.960
<v Speaker 1>what made him Why did he put his face in

1017
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the mountain because realistically not all that special. Reading up

1018
00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:58.519
<v Speaker 1>about him a bit said he he was influential and

1019
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.480
<v Speaker 1>what he called big stick to play, which is actually

1020
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.440
<v Speaker 1>really really negative thing because essentially it means he was

1021
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:05.960
<v Speaker 1>threatening the world to do what he wants. But big

1022
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.239
<v Speaker 1>stick sounds like a baseball bat. So I was thinking, like,

1023
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:10.400
<v Speaker 1>who's a really good hitter who I liked? And I

1024
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:12.559
<v Speaker 1>came down to a rabbit pooh holes, you know, like

1025
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.679
<v Speaker 1>big slip guy like and you know what a career

1026
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:19.639
<v Speaker 1>eleven time in Star three time MVP, Like, hey, what's

1027
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:21.599
<v Speaker 1>a bigger stick than that? And let's face it, it was

1028
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 1>his stick that got it for him because realistically, not

1029
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:26.159
<v Speaker 1>the best field to come the end of his career,

1030
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:28.599
<v Speaker 1>although he did actually end up with two go gloves,

1031
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.679
<v Speaker 1>which most people probably wouldn't be on the grab from

1032
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the memories of Abbot pooh holes. So yeah, like jolly

1033
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 1>good dude. So it comes to diplomacy like Johnny good

1034
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:43.239
<v Speaker 1>it like he I did some research. He passed his

1035
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.679
<v Speaker 1>American Citizen Exam with one hundred percent success rate, so

1036
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:50.119
<v Speaker 1>well done on that. He does a lot of charitable

1037
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:52.960
<v Speaker 1>work with his Foundation for People with Down Syndrome, as

1038
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.719
<v Speaker 1>his daughter has Down syndrome and he works through that.

1039
00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:57.440
<v Speaker 1>So it's taken a very serious turn all of a sudden,

1040
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.119
<v Speaker 1>and I do mean it, like genuinely seems like an

1041
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:03.320
<v Speaker 1>actual good dude as well as being amazingly good at

1042
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:08.159
<v Speaker 1>his baseball. So yeah, like about pooholes, like you can't

1043
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:10.639
<v Speaker 1>you can't fault me picking al but who pooh holes

1044
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:13.519
<v Speaker 1>for being a good baseball player with a big stick.

1045
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:17.199
<v Speaker 2>So absolutely not. I also love the trend and Michael

1046
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Keaton doesn't really fit this, but you just you pit

1047
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:27.280
<v Speaker 2>three three fat lads love it. Michael Keaton is on

1048
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:28.840
<v Speaker 2>there because the rest of them are going to take

1049
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:30.119
<v Speaker 2>quite a lot of real estate.

1050
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he is a slimp slender man. Yeah, I considered this.

1051
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I considered showhang from being like diplomats like, let you know,

1052
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 1>baseball around the world Harry Foyd considered, and I considered

1053
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:47.239
<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy nine's Dave Brain as well.

1054
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:48.360
<v Speaker 3>He was.

1055
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:52.960
<v Speaker 1>He was a Welsh baseball player who led the league

1056
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:55.679
<v Speaker 1>in home runs in nineteen oh seven. So Dave Brain.

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00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Everyone learned something. There you go, Dave Brain.

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00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Pooholes, Dave Brain. My god, Please Ben, when you do

1059
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:09.159
<v Speaker 2>the AI slot version, just put Dave Brain and instead

1060
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:17.760
<v Speaker 2>what see what mid journey turns up for that? Yeah,

1061
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:20.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give you the privilege of closing it out, Ben,

1062
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:23.519
<v Speaker 2>So I'll I'll take take this, And I think I've

1063
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:27.159
<v Speaker 2>got one for both interpretations. The player I love to

1064
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:30.559
<v Speaker 2>hate you would think would be a Yankee, but it's not.

1065
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:31.599
<v Speaker 2>It's Adam Alina.

1066
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:32.559
<v Speaker 1>No, no more.

1067
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Discussion, just piss off for much the same reasons that

1068
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I love Justin Bedroya just really good and really bloody, annoying,

1069
00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:46.280
<v Speaker 2>just mugging off. Just just go away. But I chose

1070
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:50.880
<v Speaker 2>a happier view of this, and I will to talk

1071
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:53.440
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about player that people forget was really

1072
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:56.039
<v Speaker 2>really good, to the point where I think he got

1073
00:57:56.239 --> 00:58:01.760
<v Speaker 2>one Hall of Fame vote despite accumulating I think it's

1074
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:05.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty eight more War than Harold Baines. And that's Kenny Lofton,

1075
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:09.960
<v Speaker 2>who is sort of in the same conversation for me

1076
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:14.599
<v Speaker 2>as Andrew Jones. Very similar, like very different player, but

1077
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:17.880
<v Speaker 2>sort of a player of a similar era who ticks

1078
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:20.639
<v Speaker 2>similar boxes in that he was a really great outfielder,

1079
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:26.519
<v Speaker 2>professional hitter on that brilliant Cleveland team with Albert Bell

1080
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:30.519
<v Speaker 2>and others that was on the Telly a lot in

1081
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:34.239
<v Speaker 2>the UK around that time, played for a very long

1082
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:38.559
<v Speaker 2>time and was good almost until the very end of

1083
00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:42.400
<v Speaker 2>his career, and by all accounts again just just a

1084
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:46.159
<v Speaker 2>good dude. He's like a player like he's sort of

1085
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:48.920
<v Speaker 2>like one of those players who you think is a

1086
00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:51.400
<v Speaker 2>remember some guys guy and then you look, you're like,

1087
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:55.599
<v Speaker 2>hang on, he got nearly seventy War. He's not just

1088
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:59.320
<v Speaker 2>like a bloke who played. He was absolutely incredible, six

1089
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.760
<v Speaker 2>time Walls and six consecutive seasons. I'm probably good and

1090
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:05.599
<v Speaker 2>should have been an All Star again in the last

1091
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:07.840
<v Speaker 2>stage of his career. So yeah, Kenny Lofton was mine.

1092
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:10.199
<v Speaker 2>But screw Raddy Yaddy Molina Man.

1093
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:15.079
<v Speaker 1>That guy sucks at Sandy Leon's beard as a guy

1094
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I hate, like, we know you're gray, stop dying it stupid,

1095
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:22.960
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, sorry, carry.

1096
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:27.280
<v Speaker 2>On, hmm okay, Ben.

1097
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.440
<v Speaker 3>Tough to close this out. I obviously did consider Dave

1098
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Brain myself for this, but I went in a different direction.

1099
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:39.519
<v Speaker 3>Of course you did, yeah, it ordered Yeah, I went

1100
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:41.119
<v Speaker 3>to the stores of Manchester.

1101
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.559
<v Speaker 1>He's from, he was from? Where was he from? Hare food?

1102
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I just up answer I actually well, I actually went

1103
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:51.880
<v Speaker 2>with it was Keith Lampard.

1104
00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:59.320
<v Speaker 3>I stuck to the player we love to hate, so

1105
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:02.239
<v Speaker 3>I guess definition for Roosevelt. So there are a few

1106
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:05.559
<v Speaker 3>guys that I considered. I think there are a lot

1107
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:08.440
<v Speaker 3>of second base. I think second basis position is one

1108
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:10.760
<v Speaker 3>that just has place of people love to hate. Patroya

1109
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:13.519
<v Speaker 3>is a great example. I had runyard o'door god. It

1110
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:18.280
<v Speaker 3>was good seeing him get chinned by Batista. Sorry wrong

1111
01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:22.079
<v Speaker 3>way around is a great shout. But I didn't like

1112
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:26.679
<v Speaker 3>him ol t the more from like just begrudgingly. He's

1113
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:28.880
<v Speaker 3>been so good for so long and it's really annoying.

1114
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.920
<v Speaker 3>But the player I landed on in the end was

1115
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:38.000
<v Speaker 3>John Lackey. Don't even really know why I disliked him

1116
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:41.119
<v Speaker 3>so much, but I disliked him so much his stupid face.

1117
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:43.440
<v Speaker 3>When he was on the mound, he moaned about everything,

1118
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:46.199
<v Speaker 3>every single call that went against him. He didn't like

1119
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.480
<v Speaker 3>umpires were wrong, his teammates were bad. There was just

1120
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.400
<v Speaker 3>something about his attitude that I hated. And I'll give

1121
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:53.840
<v Speaker 3>him credit because I looked him u past like he

1122
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:56.559
<v Speaker 3>wasn't even that good. Was he actually a very good picture?

1123
01:00:56.599 --> 01:00:59.239
<v Speaker 3>He put up forty three wins above a pacing across

1124
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.760
<v Speaker 3>his career, which is very impressive. He was a proper

1125
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:04.519
<v Speaker 3>workhorse for the Angels, for the Red Sox, even for

1126
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:06.159
<v Speaker 3>the Cubs at the end of his career. So I'll

1127
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:09.440
<v Speaker 3>give him that a good picture. But my god, there's

1128
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:11.280
<v Speaker 3>something about him that, like watching him on the mound

1129
01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:14.679
<v Speaker 3>just made my blood boil. So yeah, John Lackey, Yeah.

1130
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Rob, you haven't say that.

1131
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:19.320
<v Speaker 2>You haven't talked about Freddy Galvis. Also, your camera's gone off.

1132
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:22.079
<v Speaker 1>My camera has gone off. Yes, I have a list

1133
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.920
<v Speaker 1>which does include first and foremost Freddy Galvis, Brian Anderson,

1134
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:28.599
<v Speaker 1>and I think I'm going to have Boba Schet the

1135
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:37.599
<v Speaker 1>list because there's something about his face I like ye, noe, Nope,

1136
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:41.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad he cut his hair. But that's as far

1137
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:41.639
<v Speaker 1>as it goes.

1138
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:44.519
<v Speaker 2>I've forgotten about Brian Anderson.

1139
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, just such a bitch.

1140
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Nothing the NP of MLB.

1141
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:56.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you click on him, he says the same

1142
01:01:56.159 --> 01:02:00.360
<v Speaker 1>thing over and over. First right.

1143
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Suck g I d P.

1144
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

1145
01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:13.840
<v Speaker 3>Even if you google Brian Anderson, he's not the first

1146
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:16.760
<v Speaker 3>person that comes up related to baseball, because there's the

1147
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:19.639
<v Speaker 3>broadcaster for the Brewers, also called Brian Anderson, who comes

1148
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:20.159
<v Speaker 3>up before him.

1149
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:22.679
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, yeah, And then there's another broadcaster for

1150
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:26.519
<v Speaker 1>the race called Brian. Is that so good? There is.

1151
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:33.360
<v Speaker 3>The third most famous baseball Brian of the last decade.

1152
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.239
<v Speaker 2>And the other two didn't even play.

1153
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:38.920
<v Speaker 1>The raised one did.

1154
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:42.679
<v Speaker 2>But yes, okay, sorry, my bad. I know nothing about

1155
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:44.440
<v Speaker 2>the Rise except the place suck.

1156
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, moving on, Okay, that's been it.

1157
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I honestly can't remember who's on on these vaguely remember

1158
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.000
<v Speaker 2>who's on mine. It's David Ottis, David RTIs, David Dots

1159
01:02:55.039 --> 01:03:01.079
<v Speaker 2>and David Dortis, Mike trot on it Rob, I mean,

1160
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:05.280
<v Speaker 2>God knows, fat fat lads and Michael Keane I.

1161
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Think trying to get the slop of Rob's mount Rushmore made.

1162
01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:10.000
<v Speaker 3>It's not going to be able to do it.

1163
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Rob's are so crazy that his camera just broke, just

1164
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:18.320
<v Speaker 2>just refused. And Ben, Ben, you look like you're in

1165
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:23.760
<v Speaker 2>a hostage video. My camera is out of charge. Maybe

1166
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:27.320
<v Speaker 2>luckily my laptop has one. That's all right. See this

1167
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:30.039
<v Speaker 2>has been the worst visual. And actually I'm looking at

1168
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:33.000
<v Speaker 2>myself on the screen. I genuinely have bags under my

1169
01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:36.320
<v Speaker 2>eyes that you could go to Tesco's. This has been

1170
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:40.400
<v Speaker 2>a baseball podcast, Ben. Apparently you've you've contributed to it.

1171
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:44.599
<v Speaker 2>I have vaguely steered it in some sort of direction.

1172
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:48.519
<v Speaker 2>And that's about all we've got time for and we'll

1173
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:54.559
<v Speaker 2>we'll see you again soon. Toodle Pirah