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Speaker 1: What is up, fellas it goes, I'm Dan Valley coming

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at you with our twentieth twenty twenty five, twenty six NBA.

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Speaker 2: Season look Ahead.

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Speaker 3: We are two thirds of the way there.

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Speaker 1: We're onto the Sacramento Kings, which means I have Greg

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whist Singer, who is a veteran an veteran editor emeritus

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of the Kings Herald. Rumor has it he may have

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scaled back a bit for his sanity, but he is

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still entirely insane because he follows and covers and roots

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for the Sacramento Kings. We're gonna talk a lot about

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the Sacramento Kings. But first and foremost, Greg, thanks for

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coming back. This is like has to be at least

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a year five for you. But second of all, how

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are you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Excited to be back. You know, I

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look forward to our chats every year, the one time

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of year you talk to me, and you know it's

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just when you need me for some things, and so

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glad to be back to Glad to step in the

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cage again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all. That's the only time we ever or won.

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Your messaging me about all the other cool podcasts that

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you listen to that, aren't this one. That's the only

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time we talk exactly. So this team is kind of

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tough to focus on and I will, I promise, but

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it's tough to focus on the actual basketball with because

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they are basically a dramaeday at this point. I feel

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like when you look at before we get into the

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actual specific offseason, but since we last talked, you look

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at the Mike Brown of it all, the darn Fox

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of it all, them changing over, the front office, just

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everything in totality that's going on. What is just the

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general fan base sentiment towards this team, this organization and

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its processes right now?

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Speaker 2: Uh, I would say it's pretty sour. I mean, I'm

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sure there's some people that are are still bought in,

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but I'd say the overall fans setiment is pretty down

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on the whole process of all of last season as

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well as carrying over into the the offseason, the so

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called coaching search for the full time coach, the supposed

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search for a new GM that took a day. Like,

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I mean, just the process from start to finish has

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been really bad and not given Kings fans a whole

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lot to get excited about for the upcoming season, So you.

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Speaker 1: Look at what happens over the off season specifically, let's

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start with the head coaching aspect of all, how did

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you feel about them not just settling on Doug Christie,

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but the process they.

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Speaker 3: Followed to get there. There's that word again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we kind of expected it would happen, right,

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I mean, Doug Christy got the job as the interim

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because the VEC has wanted to make him coach for

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a while now, Like he almost became interim coach when

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they fired Luke Walton when they brought in Mike Brown.

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Then you know, one of the conditions was that Doug

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Christy has to stay on your staff like he's always

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been like a vec's like coaching project. So it wasn't

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a surprise when he became the interim or when they

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stuck with him. And realistically, like, especially considering all the circumstances,

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Doug Christy probably did enough to get another year. But

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it's also like you just shook up everything and you

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didn't even bother doing his search, Like the results weren't

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good enough that it was like a slam dunk to

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give Doug a longer term deal. But it wasn't surprising

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to anyone. And I think that one is probably the

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easiest pill to swallow, just because so many Kings fans

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liked Doug Christie from back in his playing days and

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like he's been around the team for years. He was

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a commentator and then like a development coach, and so

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like Kings fans want to see him succeed, and he

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had some fun moments when he took over as the

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head coach, and so there's like enough there to that's

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not like the hardest piece of the last year as

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a Kings fan to deal with. I still think it

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was a horrible process to not even bother looking around.

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But I don't know that top coaching candidates were going

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to be eager to sign up for Sacrament given the roster,

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the front office situation, the way they just treated Mike

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Brown like kind of all the different pieces, like they

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probably weren't getting anyone that much better anyway, but how

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quickly they just you know, new GM came in and

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then like three days later, it is like and Doug's

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are head coach, Like the search is over. We we

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did it everyone. That's just a it's not a great process,

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but it also was not surprising to any Kings fans

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really paid attention to how this organization operates.

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Speaker 1: He did, to his credit play Keon Ellis and maybe

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like that's how you walk into the meeting and that's

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just your entire case.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm all for it.

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Speaker 1: The front office stuff too, going from okay, now you

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have Scott Perry and it kind of feels like this

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is a situation and you alluded to it that where

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the front office just no, this is the coach, like

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you're just gonna It's like the It's kind of similar

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to what happened with the Pelicans, where it's like, don't

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too much for Weaver takeover, but Willie Green is a

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condition that he has to be there. Yeah, those situations

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ever ended well. I don't want to say it feels

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like it's not gonna end well, but I feel like

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we don't have evidence that they're really ever going to

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end well. So I'm curious to see what the synergy

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looks like between I guess it ultimately doesn't matter because

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maybe you're coming in. Is Scott Perry eyes wide open

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about what Vivek wants and how he feels about Christy.

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But it always just feels like a dicey situation when

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you don't feel as if the front office had the

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latitude to make all the changes that they ultimately want

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upon them being hired.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, especially when you consider that it's been

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the case for the last three Sacramento Kings gems. They

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came in with a coach already in place, that the

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fact basically in force that they would need to keep

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it first, you know, so Michael Malone came in, Pete

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Dallasandro was hired. Afterward, power struggle ensued and they fired

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Michael Malone when they really really shouldn't have. Down the

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road we had uh yea Luke Walton had already been hired,

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and they brought in mon To McNair. Eventually, you know,

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they you know, after like another two years he was

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able to get rid of him and bringing his own

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coach and Mike Brown. Now we're just repeating the cycle

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because if it hasn't worked two times, let's just keep

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trying until it does. Like we're going to continue to

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have a coach in place before the GM instead of

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just once having a GM coming with a clean slate

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and let them pick their own head coach from day one,

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like an impossible concept for a BAC to get his

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head around. So, uh, that's kind of going back to

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the how we feel about the process and why we're

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not surprised because like it's the same thing we've seen

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over and over with this team.

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Speaker 1: Domas said they need to get a point guard. At

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the end of the season, accomplished, they got Dannis Schreuter.

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How do you feel about I feel about the process

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by which they went and got him, Greg, but also

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what do you make or how do you feel about

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his fit into EuroBasket change your impressions of me?

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Speaker 3: For true at all?

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Speaker 2: I was not really excited about Dennishruer. I was really

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not excited about like a three year deal for the

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full mid level and granted that third year is not

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fully guaranteed, and they're like, oh, that makes a really

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tradable contract. But I can't count the number of times

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the Kings have given a bad contract out and the

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explanation has been like, oh, but that'll be really tradable,

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like that's good salary matching, and then they can't get

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any deals done because it's a bad contract. So I

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fully expect that we're stuck with Denis Ruder for the

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next three years. Dennishruer is fine. He's he's a pesky defender,

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he can sometimes hit some open shots. Like he's fine.

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It's just like he's not worth fifteen million, like I

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just it's such an uninspiring solution to a self created

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problem like you had Deer and Fox, you gave him

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away for such a crappy return. I'm sure we'll talk

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about that more, but you and then you're like, well,

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we played half the season with no point, Guarden, That's

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why this whole thing didn't work. You know what this

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team has been missing Dennis Shrut Like we got it,

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guys done, Yo, that's the end of the offseason closed,

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the books know the move. Oh wait, we're also gonna

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like get rid of some of our other depths. But

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other than that, like offseasons done, Dennis Truder was the

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key to everything. He's gonna unlock these players who don't

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fit Like. I'm not thrilled, That's what I'm trying to

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get at. I'm not super excited.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you that I think he's fine,

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and there are probably gonna be moments where he's better

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than fine. I think, even if he's better than fine,

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the trickle down effect in terms of the fit with

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some of the other guys on the roster, how far

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this might bump Keegan Murray or Kean Ellis down. The

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more so Keegan Murray if you're looking at what happens

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with offensive usage, I don't think he's Maybe maybe I'm

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wrong here, but I don't think that he's an natural

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fit to run like stuff with domas a bonus. And

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that's why I find it odd. And I also find

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it odd because it was like, hey, we're gonna trade

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Jonas Valentiunis to get Dariosharich to have like the money

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necessary to or flexibility necessary to make this happen. I

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probably have a bigger problem with the process than the player.

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do with a lack of options, But even that part

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of it, it just puzzles.

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Speaker 2: Me when I feel like there were other point guards

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out there this summer of similar quality, maybe a little

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bit worse, but not like drastically worse. But guys that

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were signing for like four or five million, right, Like,

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I mean, it's not like there were zero other point

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guards in free agency and Densher's the only ones there's

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this bidding more and you have to give them fifteen

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million a year like that just wasn't the case.

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Speaker 3: Like Tias Jones got seven for one year, like you could.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying there, like like I didn't love

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the whole, like Tias Jones to the King's answer like

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that that wasn't my favorite. But I'd take Tyas Jones

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for seven million one year over Dennis Shrewder of fifteen

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million for three years. Like that's those types of that

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would make a lot more sense to me, because this

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roster right now is not a finished product, like it's

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not one piece away from being good, and so get

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a one year stop gap where you at least have

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a point guard, someone who can kind of run the

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show a little bit, because it was definitely a glaring

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need after the Fox trade, like tying up the long

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term money and it was a yeah, horrible process. And

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that's more about the money they gave him and the

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length of the contract compared to what else they might

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have been able to do.

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Speaker 1: What do we make of Malik Monk's future in Sacramento,

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because it seems like they tried to trade him and

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just couldn't, and that's why they kind of walked it back,

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walk back. They're not gonna try to trade him anymore.

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I think there's some stuff really be concerned about. But

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about Keegy Murray at some point, But when I'm evaluating

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Keegy Murray's offense, I have trouble evaluating, like, okay, the

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decline in league monks efficiency at one point last year,

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how much of that is, Oh, this is like an

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alarm bell should be going off, versus this is just

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the roster construction around him, And so where are you

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sort of at with him? But also what does it

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say that not only they go out and get Dennis Shrewder,

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but the reports are that they still want to go

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out and get Russell Westbrook too, which that confuses the

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hell out of me as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean a big part of the problem, especially after

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the Fox Tree, was that the Kings bought into the

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idea of, well, we'll just make Milak Monk the point guard.

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That way, he's a starter and you know, it'll be fine.

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has some good passing. You know, he can do some

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stuff off the dribble and whatnot, but he's not a

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point guard. Like he's a good secondary ball handler and

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secondary creator, which is where he was thriving as like

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the sixth man and playing in a lot of the

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closing units. But when they tried to hand the keys

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to him, like it just didn't work, Like he just

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can't handle that role.

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Speaker 1: That he's also more of like a north south guy

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rather than like even Dennis Shuter is going to have

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more like side to side to his game than.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean Monk loves to call his own number,

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which is part of the fun of him when he's

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your sixth man. It's not great when he's you're now

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forced to be starting and only point guard on the roster.

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there was you know, he was struggling last season even

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before the Fox trade, Like he was just not having

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a great year. And I don't know how much of

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that is to do with you know, kind of poor

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roster construction or poorly defined roles, or you know, feeling

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threatened by you know, what's gonna happen with his minutes

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versus Kean Ellis's minutes and Kevin Herder and and then

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Zach Lavine, and so I think that kind of the

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lack of defined roles or or even at the beginning

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of the season, maybe lack of happiness with his defined role.

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I mean, I think it's no secret Monk has been

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okay with being a six man but would much prefer

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to start. And then like he ended up taking the

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deal to stay with the Kings, but then there's still

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not any different roles. So I don't know. I think

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there's a kind of a combination of factors where he

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was maybe a little unhappy, maybe making some bad decisions,

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not buying into the role quite so much, but then

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got thrust into a larger, worse fitting role as the

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season went along.

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Speaker 1: So do you think that having Shrewder then and being

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able to Sakay, we at least have this point guard

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and we could start him. And I know Malik Monk

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ended up not starting to close the season either. Do

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you think that puts him more in his natural spot

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so that there is something to salvage here or do

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you sort of look at the roster now and still

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think that now they're they're gonna try and move this

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guy before the season over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still think. I mean, I think they did

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everything they could the summer to try to move him

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and then tried to walk it back like, no, we

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love them. We were just making phone calls, you know,

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we weren't trying to do much. But no, I think

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they absolutely would like to move him if they could.

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But the Kings like to do this thing where they

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tell the entire world that they're shopping a guy and

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then get confused when there's not like huge offers to

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blow him away, and then they refuse to trade the

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guy for less than they thought they would get initially.

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So it's again going back to their good processes that

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they do over and over and over. That's one of them,

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and they did it with Monk and they'll probably continue

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to do it. And you know, if Harrison Barnes and

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Kevin Herder are any indication, it could drag on another

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two years before they actual finally complete a trade for him.

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Speaker 3: What do you what is?

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Speaker 1: What are we supposed to make or what should the

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read be on this team's apparent interest in Russell Westbrook,

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especially post Dennis Schreuder.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Russ fits this team's identity better than any other

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free agent still on the market, a guy who does

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not fit with anyone else on the roster and will

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try to score a lot. That's the team identity right there,

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in a nutshell, Like, that's all this team is. It's

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a two k roster built by a fourteen year old.

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Like these guys get buckets. I love all these guys,

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they can all score. Do they fit God? No, like,

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but that's what That's what this team is, and Russ

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fits that perfectly. So what more could you want?

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Speaker 1: Is this has nothing to do with the backcourt situation?

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But does most of that answer apply? It probably sells

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him short of course. But does that similar logic apply

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to the Jonathan Kaminga rumors? Or is that more of

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a well, we'll bet on the upside if the package

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is what was it Monk Carter or whatever however they fleshed.

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Speaker 3: It out from there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the funny thing is like Kaminga's very

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very much that same type of thing, Like he he

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solves almost none of the problems with the current roster

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like at all. Like there'd still be weird log jams,

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there'd be guys that don't win together. Yeah, that's the

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big thing, like he's just taller at least, like he's

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he could play the four, you know, allowing he can

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move to three, except that you still have Damar there like,

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so it just is a mess of a different type.

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But uh, if they were able to pull it off,

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and you know, there was a report this evening from

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Sam Amic that you know, talks may have resumed, but

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nothing eminent, like a lot of recycled information, so who

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knows if anything is going to happen. I'm not really

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holding my breath at this point, but if they did

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do it, I'd be excited, if only for the fact

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that at least he's not in his you know, late

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thirties like most of the guys they brought in lately,

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so you know, when we're thinking about like tomorrow and

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then Russ, like, it'd be nice to have someone who

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you know, was younger than most of our recent draft picks,

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even though he's been in the league for like four

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or five years. So I would love the upside play

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as a longer term thing, but I still don't think

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it would fix anything for this year now.

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Speaker 1: As someone who hits deep threes, defense's butt off works

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well alongside to other ball dominant players. Why is Kean

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ellis seemingly underappreciated by his own organization, And I want

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to clarify that for anyone was saying, I know he

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played more after the coaching change. I know he was

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starting by the end of the season. He still doesn't

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have an extension, and they picked up his team option,

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which would risk if they don't sign him to an extension,

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letting him go in dow nrestricted free agency?

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Speaker 3: Is it because he's not six'?

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Speaker 1: Seven is it because he's not like a great playmate

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LIKE i Don't this is one of those cases where this.

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Isn't i'm not even trying to be too tough on The.

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Speaker 3: KINGS i don't understand the.

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Speaker 1: Logic, this probably more so than anything else that they've,

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done IS i don't understand the logic behind how they

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have Valued Keon.

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Speaker 2: ELLEN i WISH i could explain. It it makes no sense, because,

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yeah the smart the smarter assumption, was, oh you decline his,

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option he's a restricted free agent this, summer you work

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out a new deal with the full control of restricted free.

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Agency it's not like we've seen that play out to

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the team's benefit for multiple other. Teams as we've gone

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through this. Offseason but the.

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Speaker 1: Last restricted free agent to get a rival offer sheet

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actually was not not a two way.

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Speaker 2: Guy i've heard you mentioned this on a recent, episode

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BUT i cannot remember who it. Was it was a great, name,

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though it Was paul fucking Read there you. Go the

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Album tak.

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Speaker 1: Gave him that special In, philly whereas they have that

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he guarantees if they make it out of like the

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second round of the playoffs or, whatever which you knew

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it was never gonna guarantee then because The sixers don't do.

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That so it's just, like, yes you're everything you said

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is just one hundred percent. CORRECT i apologize for, interjecting.

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Speaker 2: No you're, Fine but it was, like as a restriction

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free agent like he, was he was otherwise going to

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be making like two point seven million this, year and

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that's the option they picked. Up and they did it

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with this pretense of, like give's, this you, know money

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flexibility to do other things this, summer and look at

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all the great things they did this summer with. That

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but if you let him go to restricting free, agency

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like what was the worst that's gonna? Happen like a

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mid level deal at at absolute. WORST i don't see

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anything going over like a FULL mL offer on, him and,

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okay you match, that like it's, Fine like take. It

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like there's no reason why they shouldn't have just played

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it out through a restricted free agency and just locked

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him up as a long term part of the team

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because they talk about valuing him and how important he,

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is you, know his, defense he's a younger. GUY i,

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mean he's not that young, anymore BUT i mean he's

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young enough compared to some of the other options they currently.

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Speaker 3: Have compared to, tomorrow, yeah for.

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Speaker 2: Sure and he plays on both sides of the, court

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like he's a great, defender and he also hits. Three

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he's like those are pretty valuable. Pieces IF i was,

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HIM i get the player, risk and like you take

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the guaranteed. Money if the extensions, THERE i get. It

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but at this, point like they can't extend to Like.

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February IF i was, HIM i would just be, like Well, february,

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like oh my ankle hurts a. Little, well they're gonna

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be out of playoff contendent at that point, Anyway like

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you might like shut yourself down and just go hit

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unrestricted and like get a good deal. Somewhere else at that,

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Point Like i'm fully preparing myself for him to just you,

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know be lost for nothing at this.

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Speaker 1: Point if they don't even Get BUT i guess at that,

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point if you trade someone who's this cheap on an

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expiring contract headed towards, them what are you?

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Speaker 3: Get agency you're.

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Speaker 1: Probably Getting you're not getting a first probably you're getting two.

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Seconds so then you might just said it. Out CAN

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i interest you in The Washington wizards twenty six and

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twenty seven second round picks asking for The?

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Speaker 3: Knicks?

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Speaker 2: UH i, MEAN i suspect The kings will find a

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way to get less than. That so with although here's the,

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thing here's the, thing there's no ways of going to The.

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Knicks you Think Mike brown's like give me Ke On, Ellis, like,

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NO i totally.

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Speaker 3: Forgot i've faced out there.

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Speaker 2: Likes the guy wouldn't play.

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Speaker 1: HIM i have been Telling knicks fans who have messaged

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me or Just i've even talked about on the. PODCAST

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i know they have more death but Like Mike brown

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was when he was like when he, LEFT i know

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The king's roster wasn't the, greatest but he was relying

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on like just four or five guys like a metric

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ton With Keon, ellis, though are we just to assume

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that With Dennis shrewder in the, fold he is coming

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off the bench, again or do you see one of

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the Met zacklavine coming off the.

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Speaker 2: Bench, NO i, mean why would you want like a

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good two way younger player who, hey it does the

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two things no one else on the. ROSTER i, mean,

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now Like Keikan murray And Kean ellis are the only

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guys in the roster play defense and shoot. Threes it's,

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like why would you want more than one of those

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on the court at the, time like for like defense of?

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Effort like that doesn't fit the team. Concept, dan we

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gotta keep by on the price no defense buckets.

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Speaker 1: Way kimbury plays, Defense are they gonna bring him off the, bench,

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then who's taking his?

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Speaker 2: Spot? No i'm saying you can have. One you can

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only have. One get, One.

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Speaker 1: So Zach, lavine IT'S i, mean it is very kings

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to get him back in The Darron fox trade and

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then hire someone who we know actively to run your entire,

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organization who actively does not think That Zack lavine is.

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Valuable But i'm asking you to divorce the Theron fox

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trade And Zack lavine's contract just from everything, else what

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did you make of his on set fit In sacramento last?

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Speaker 2: Year what's funny is Like lavina was pretty much exactly as.

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Advertised he was exactly what you thought you were getting

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in that. Trade but just like everyone knew the instant

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the trade, HAVE i was, like, well that doesn't really

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fit the roster at, All like it doesn't fit. Anything,

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LIKE i, mean he's you, know he was a good.

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Shooter you, know he hit his. Threes you had a

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few explosive plays like you, know scored a, lot shot a,

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lot drop a, lot like save clunky fit next to

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the rosen as they were In. Chicago like it's like

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exactly what you thought it was gonna look like when

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that came. Together BUT i don't, Know like the hard

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part With levine is that he is like that if

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you take away What sacramento gave up to to get,

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him if you take away his, contract he's a really

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really good basketball, Player like he is really, talented and

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he does things sometimes in games where you're just like

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that was. Cool that was really fun to. Watch it's

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just not enough to like raise the floor of this

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team point like and, like As zach enters his, THIRTIES

475
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:09,279
i don't expect that he's going to suddenly become a

476
00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:11,759
different player than what he's been his whole career at this,

477
00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:16,039
point and the fit with the rest of the, roster,

478
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:22,160
like you, know the financial piece of, side the path

479
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:26,839
to a king's team built around like, him even if

480
00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,079
we just take like, Him, sabonis And, keegan, like the

481
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,920
pathway to build a successful team around those three pieces

482
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:39,839
is just so hard to. Do, yeah Because sabonis is

483
00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:43,880
the wrong type of center to Optimize. Levine levine is

484
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,400
the wrong type of guard slash wing to Optimize Sabona's,

485
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,960
like it just it doesn't. Work it, should you can

486
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,720
see how it, could but it just it. Doesn't and

487
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,839
it doesn't in all the ways that were pretty. PREDICTABLE

488
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:57,880
i do.

489
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,279
Speaker 1: Wonder if it could be any different Toward i'm not

490
00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:02,319
saying it's the path THAT i would choose and then

491
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,119
double and triple down, on but, like if you remove

492
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,119
the DeMar derozen from the, equation Like, Zach lavine at

493
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,839
least is more of a natural interplay candidate for Domas,

494
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,279
abonis and we didn't SEE i would argue we didn't

495
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:16,599
see enough as imperfect as it might, be even With,

496
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,480
derozen Like sibonis And DeRozan Or subosan And sabonis And zacklvine,

497
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,920
interact and even when you go back and look at

498
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,039
the number of like the percentage of buckets that they

499
00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:27,880
were assisting on for each. Other i'm not asking for

500
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,519
like peak The aaron Fox Domas sabonis level, chemistry but

501
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,799
it wasn't anything, close it felt.

502
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 3: Like and, look part of that Is.

503
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: Levigne comes in the middle of the, season doesn't have

504
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,680
a training camp with this, team and Even Doug christie

505
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,440
has talked about there are things that he wants to,

506
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:46,759
overhaul but he could not last. YEAR i just if

507
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:50,480
your three highest usage guys are going to Be, DeRozan

508
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:53,000
zacklovine And, sabonis that's the thing THAT i don't think

509
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:55,359
is gonna. Work AND i really THINK i don't mean

510
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,039
to lay blame at his feet, specifically BUT i really

511
00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:00,519
think That DeMar DeRozan's play style is the thing that

512
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:04,880
kind of submarines this team's as currently constructed ceiling more

513
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,920
so than anything, else because it just feels like it

514
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:09,799
runs so counter to everything else that they should be

515
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:10,720
able to.

516
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: Do, NO i would, Agree AND i think that kind

517
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,839
of Like, MONK i think The kings tried to find

518
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,400
a way to Move DeRozan the summer and just couldn't

519
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,400
find a way to make that work.

520
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: Either like we were told you you told me that

521
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,039
deal was fine because the partial guarantee in year.

522
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: Three, greg come.

523
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:32,519
Speaker 2: On, yeah it's a very traitable. Contract what's the. Issue,

524
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:36,000
no it's funny because uh preparing to come on here.

525
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,200
TODAY i actually went back and listened to when we

526
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,880
did this last year and we were talking and we

527
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:47,680
were talking About DeRos and like all the concerns we talked,

528
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,759
about like this could be an, Issue like every single

529
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,680
one of them came, through like oh stop the, ball no,

530
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:58,400
flow like you, know future many two's not of, threes

531
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:02,400
like you, know all all the things that were concerned.

532
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: Last year was very soul. Crushing i'm not going to.

533
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: Lie, yeah the amount of times when the entire offense

534
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,480
would just stop moving when you've got like high post

535
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,559
passing from The bonus and one of the fastest guys

536
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:23,680
in the league In, fox it would just, stop you.

537
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,039
Know SO i, Agree like if it was, ME i

538
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:31,920
would have dumped The rosen for pennies on the, dog

539
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:35,359
and not THAT i think that he's a worthless, player

540
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,880
but just his play style meshes so poorly with everything.

541
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,720
ELSE i agree that getting him off the roster sooner

542
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:44,039
than later would free up a lot of, things open

543
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,319
up a little bit more of the flow of the

544
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,599
offense to where there could be a. Chance so it

545
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,960
depends what else you get, back and you know how

546
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,160
the different pieces. Fit but, uh, yeah at this, point

547
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,680
they feel very stuck with what they have for at

548
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,599
least another year or.

549
00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: Two i'm about to ask this With Doug christie, specifically

550
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:07,480
but did you get a sense for, what like any

551
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,759
of his coaching principles might be for this, team or

552
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:11,839
even just over the offseason hearing things of what he

553
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,759
might want to.

554
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:16,839
Speaker 2: CHANGE i, mean when he took, over his whole thing

555
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,759
was just bringing it up and letting the players play

556
00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:23,599
like more of a flow, offense basically a roll the

557
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,279
ball out and rely on your, talent and that worked

558
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:31,480
sometimes and didn't work a lot more of the. Times

559
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:35,519
he's talked about making some changes and kind of implementing

560
00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:39,200
some new things with having a full, offseason but there's

561
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:44,559
not enough for us to really predict what that would

562
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,680
look like because he hasn't coach anywhere else. Before his

563
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,720
coaching tree tutelage has primarily been Under Luke walton and

564
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,519
Then Mike, brown and just like very different. Styles and

565
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:57,680
obviously as a player he played under some really great,

566
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:04,039
coaches you, Know BUT i don't know how much of

567
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:07,960
a Tactician Doug christie is as far as a coach versus,

568
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,200
like as far as installing you, know a very, specific you,

569
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,079
know type of offensive scheme and you know this and

570
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:19,400
that versus some general ideas and you, know pump up

571
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,000
the troops and go out there and do. It AND

572
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,200
i am curious to see what adjustments they. Make BUT

573
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,359
i don't have really high hopes again rooting For. Doug

574
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,160
hope he does. Well hope he proves me. Wrong he

575
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,359
wouldn't be the first or the. Last but, YEAH i

576
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,640
don't expect to see a dramatically Reshaped king's offensive or

577
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,640
defensive scheme after a full off season of head Coach Doug.

578
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,519
Speaker 1: Christie when you look at the way the front court has,

579
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:52,480
built what is their plan for secondary front? Lines and

580
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,160
are why are they anti backup bigs Or god should

581
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:55,960
say good backup.

582
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,599
Speaker 2: Bigs, well you, know we Had Jonas founciernis or you,

583
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,079
know thirty, games and it was beautiful because we actually

584
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:06,039
had a backup center who could come in and play

585
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:11,799
competent basketball and DOING i, mean and then you, know

586
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:15,640
The king's powers that be decided that that was. Enough you,

587
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,680
know we didn't need that. Anymore we needed to Get

588
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:20,039
dario Sarich.

589
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: Is, like is the ironic thing that if he actually

590
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:26,640
wanted to leave THE nba was prepared to give up

591
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,880
his entire contract to do, it that would have benefited

592
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,759
The kings more than trading him For.

593
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely that's absolutely so LIKE i don't get any of

594
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,799
it at. All and it's one of those. Things it's

595
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:39,960
funny because this happens a, lot going back to like

596
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:43,119
repeated bad, prophises this happens a lot with the kingsbere

597
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:49,119
they'll make a truly baffling, trade And kings fans will

598
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,720
kind of talk ourselves, into, well you wouldn't do that

599
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,480
if you didn't have something lined up as far as

600
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,960
like how you're then going to use Like sarg's contract or,

601
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,440
something and then the other piece of it just never,

602
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,799
Happens like but you end up thinking there has to

603
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,000
be some step two of the, plan because otherwise that

604
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,039
stuff makes no sense at. All and then step two

605
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,839
just never comes around and you're, like, well, SHIT i guess.

606
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,599
Speaker 3: We just well step two is going to get a shooter.

607
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: AGAIN i go back that that can't. Be that can't

608
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:30,319
be the. EXPLANATION i think more than, anything it's That

609
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:32,599
vivek would rather die than pay a luxury.

610
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,319
Speaker 1: Tax so who is going to the. Season who would

611
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,359
you predict is the primary backup? Big is It Isaac,

612
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,839
Jones drew You, Banks is It Dario sharitch.

613
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,319
Speaker 2: HIMSELF i would Expect Isaac. JONES i MEAN i think he.

614
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,480
HE i say that because that's what anyone who watches

615
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:55,039
The kings play basketball is, like, well, yeah that guy looks.

616
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:56,960
Good you should play him. More but The kings have

617
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,960
a habit of not playing those, guys so it's probably

618
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,720
gonna be Like Drew. Eubanks BUT i would hope It's

619
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,559
Isaac jones because he showed some really nice flashes last.

620
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:08,200
Season he's got an amazing story, too as far as

621
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,079
his path to making it to THE. Nba it's really,

622
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,440
cool just kind of his whole journey going from undrafted

623
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,440
like he. Was he wasn't even on a college scholarship

624
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,319
after high. School he was like working like in a

625
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,799
pipe shipping yard and like end up is like a

626
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:29,519
walk on and then transferred and like now he's so

627
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:32,440
he's been on AN nba, Contract like amazing story for.

628
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:34,720
Him AND i guess The king's will just sabotage.

629
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:36,759
Speaker 1: Him and you argue that he's kind of like how

630
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:38,640
dare falling, backwards it's kind of like.

631
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: Backsliding HE i like.

632
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:44,519
Speaker 1: Him he's just small and they're but there's stuff that

633
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:46,759
he could do when he runs before and there's been

634
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,839
LIKE i don't know when he starts to like slide

635
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:51,119
his feet and like turn his body on, Defense like,

636
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,839
sure very, nervous BUT i would rather see him Than

637
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,720
sharich OR U.

638
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: BANKS i am.

639
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: Sort of intrigued by like Maximum rainow just because he's

640
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,559
his large body that shoots. Threes but when you look

641
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:05,880
at how some of, them or when you look at

642
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,519
how a lot of basketball's, played like some of these

643
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,759
bigs that can only play drop on, Defense like you

644
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:13,359
need to be really really on your game to be

645
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,240
impactful in that.

646
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:17,039
Speaker 3: Way AND i just don't know that he.

647
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: Is AND i know he he moves like fairly well

648
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,160
for his, size but even like when he's going in

649
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,839
a straight. Line and, YES i did Watch reno footage

650
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,039
for this, podcast but there's like a like A Karl

651
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:30,000
Anthony Towns gate to him where it feels like he's

652
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:30,680
struggling to.

653
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:31,799
Speaker 3: Pick up his feet when he's.

654
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:36,079
Speaker 2: Running, YEAH i do think that they're expecting a lot

655
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:41,079
Of reno this, year AND i would, expect SO i would.

656
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,319
Expect so h makes no. SENSE i love, It it

657
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,880
makes no sense. WHATSOEVER i do think that he's going

658
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,079
to struggle to stay on the, floor JUST i think foul.

659
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,799
Trouble AND i he had some fun moments In Summer league,

660
00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:00,319
though like, it it'd be fun to see him out.

661
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:03,119
There but and this is the, Thing like if this

662
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,239
team ever like leaned into being okay with being, crappy

663
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,719
like they've got enough fun young, guys this could be

664
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,960
like a fun crappy, team but it's gonna be a

665
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,679
miserable crappy team. Instead so that's WHY i say it's

666
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,960
probably gonna Be drew you, Backs, keing And murray extension.

667
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: Eligible and we'll get to that in a.

668
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: Second what's the developmental area you'll be watching most, Closely

669
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,519
And i'm curious for your answer BECAUSE i GUESS i

670
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:33,639
think Even kings fans might agree THAT i excuse some

671
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,559
of like, this the stalling out of his offensive. GROWTH

672
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:39,400
i Just i'm, like look at the roster Around if

673
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,840
he's getting fewer touches per seventy five possessions like his last,

674
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,840
year his shot quality at the rim just plunged.

675
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:47,639
Speaker 3: In part because we're looking at the roster construction around.

676
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,079
Speaker 1: Him so, what, like how are you Evaluating Keegan murray

677
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,000
within the context of this, team and what is like

678
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:55,360
that the the biggest.

679
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: Thing that you'll be watching for with him this?

680
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,199
Speaker 1: Season and if you but if you say he needs

681
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,440
to go out and get and call for the ball

682
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,639
LIKE i, will there will be some push because like

683
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:05,599
that's just too much of the default.

684
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,039
Speaker 3: THAT i have seen slash, red slash.

685
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: Hurry and he's more of that.

686
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: Dog he's got to want it.

687
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: MORE i think the hard part With keegan is it's

688
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,119
kind of. Twofold so The kings have relied on him

689
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:27,360
now for like the past two years as being like

690
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:32,000
their primary defensive, stopper which he's made such leaps and

691
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,719
bounds over WHAT i initially thought he'd be as a,

692
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,000
defender like he's really good and has some really great,

693
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:41,920
moments but it seems pretty clear that it's really wearing

694
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,719
him down and that it's really impacting his offense and

695
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,079
that he is not as much AS i love watching

696
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,159
his growth on, defense like he is not at the

697
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,960
level to be a true number one, Stopper like if

698
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,639
he was your second best, defender that could be a

699
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:04,280
really good, defense but being tasked with your number like

700
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,760
whoever the other team's best player is every single, night

701
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,840
is just a little bit bigger workload on the defensive

702
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,320
end than he can, handle and it seems like it's

703
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,239
impacting other. Things and then being made a complete afterthought

704
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,079
on the offense really makes it where he almost has

705
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,280
to force things when he does get the, ball which

706
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,119
isn't in his, nature but it seems like he has

707
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:27,800
still tried to do. It BUT i don't know if

708
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,719
it's just a confidence, thing BUT i, mean like he,

709
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,079
really towards the end of The Mike brown, tenure was

710
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:35,199
seemed to really be in his head and kind of

711
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:38,519
broke out of that a little bit After brown was

712
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:42,280
replaced With Doug. Christy but the biggest Thing i'll be

713
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,559
looking for is just can The, kings for the love

714
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,920
Of god just run some things to set him up

715
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:53,480
to be like the primary like action on any sort

716
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,480
of an offensive flow like where it's a designed play

717
00:36:56,559 --> 00:37:00,199
to set him up as opposed to well option is

718
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,440
one through three or one through ford and we're kick

719
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,800
at The kegan as the shot clucks winding down and

720
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,239
see if you can do something.

721
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: The.

722
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 3: Corner.

723
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah LIKE i feel Like he's one THING i

724
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,519
both appreciate About Mike brown but also was frustrated with

725
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,000
at times is it felt like he was really Pushing kegan,

726
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,920
hard challenging him to get out of his comfort zone

727
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,559
and do different. Things so we did See kean develop,

728
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,039
skills you, know as far as you. Know year one

729
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:31,039
it was all, threes and then in year two it

730
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,239
was more you, know, okay you can you, know you

731
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,079
can take, twos or you can take shots at the,

732
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:39,280
rim and and then last year was more kind of

733
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,000
attacking off the, dribble and you, know see he's kind

734
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:45,000
of been doing more pieces to his. Offense but it's

735
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,679
like if you go back and watch him in, college

736
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:48,360
he was already able to do all those. Things so

737
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,000
it's like what are we doing? Here like can we

738
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,519
just give him the keys for like five minutes a

739
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:56,960
game and see what? Happens like that's WHAT i would

740
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,239
like to, See like just run in some minds where

741
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,559
he's the primary, option runs some plays where it's designed

742
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:06,639
to get him a certain, look to where we can

743
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,960
really see what that upside potential. Is that's WHERE i

744
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,360
go back. To if The kings actually leaned into being,

745
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,400
crappy it could be a really, fun crappy young, team you,

746
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,760
know where you're just really letting him get the reps

747
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,159
as a primary. Option AND i don't know that he's

748
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:23,679
ever actually gonna be the number one option on a good,

749
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:26,639
team but those kind of reps could help you figure

750
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,039
that out or figure out, Like, okay how good can

751
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:31,840
he be as your number two or you know. Whatever

752
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,400
but right now he's like fourth or fifth on the

753
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,920
offensive pecking, order and, YEP i just worry about where

754
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:38,400
that's gonna.

755
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:38,519
Speaker 4: Go.

756
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: YEAH i don't know if he would. EVER i, mean

757
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,960
we obviously have not seen enough of. IT i don't

758
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,239
know what the ceiling on his offense would be if

759
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,000
you're putting him on the, ball LIKE i think some

760
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,079
of the cadence on his drives makes me suggest that

761
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,079
this is someone who could eventually score multiple levels draw

762
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,760
more fouls than he. Has but you're going into year

763
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,719
four and you have not adequately plumbed that part of his.

764
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 3: Game and that meant look the deep.

765
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: Put, also you have to give The kings and him

766
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,360
credit because he was not build like this defensively at

767
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:04,960
all when he was.

768
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: Coming and you.

769
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: Mentioned at the top where it's you don't want him

770
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,280
defending the best player all the. TIME i just if

771
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,159
only this team had someone Like Kean ellis who could

772
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:15,920
maybe do that some of the time Open but if Only,

773
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,119
uh that's not.

774
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: The other thought in my.

775
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: MIND i hope they get to a point because the

776
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,400
QUESTION i have to ask you, now BUT i hope

777
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,599
they get to a point this season, where especially if

778
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:28,559
he doesn't get an, extension you better experiment like hell

779
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,239
with him because how do you figure out how much he's?

780
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,800
Worth which is now my question to you is what

781
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,039
is do you want think that he ends up getting an?

782
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:39,440
Extension and, two what's the number that you could approach

783
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,920
it From keegan's, perspective like what's the middle ground for

784
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,480
this team or what's the number if you're The, kings

785
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,239
that makes you say we do it now versus, oh,

786
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,800
no like we'll let this go into restrictive free agency

787
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,440
because he is. SORRY i think he's someone cap space is.

788
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,400
OVERRATED i want to make that. Clear even when you

789
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,079
look at next year's cap space, landscape some of those

790
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,199
teams are not going to end up with cap.

791
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: Space BUT i do think that.

792
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,519
Speaker 1: If he gets into restricted free, agency because of what

793
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:07,800
he has shown defensively and the idea of what he

794
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,760
could be on, offense even if he is a third

795
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,079
option or a fourth option, GUY i think he would

796
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:14,679
get an offer sheet from somebody.

797
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: Else, YEAH i. THINK i think an extension will get.

798
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:23,159
DONE i think The kings do know that he's good

799
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,760
enough that they shouldn't just let him. Go they'll probably

800
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
manage to script a. Relationship in the process of figuring

801
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:37,000
out that, NUMBER i was listening to The Game theory

802
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,119
podcast when they were doing their breakdown of like restrict

803
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,559
of free agents or upcoming extension, guys AND i think

804
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:45,360
they came up with a number around like twenty eight

805
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,079
million a, year kind of in the ballpark of Like

806
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:50,639
Jabari Smith, junior that type of. Thing AND i think

807
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:53,679
that that seems. FAIR i think that that's probably you,

808
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,360
know it's not quite The, max which a year AGO

809
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,239
i was, like he's going to get the Rookie, max

810
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,639
like done, deal like no question is going to be day.

811
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:04,559
One but now he's like continued to regress offensively because

812
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,599
of all the things we've talked, About so now like

813
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:09,920
they're kind of screwing up his, money which is WHERE

814
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,719
i go back. To so we're in the relationship in the,

815
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,960
process BUT i do expect they'll get some sort of

816
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,000
deal done where it's not quite The Ricky, max but you,

817
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:21,639
know it's still close enough to it that he doesn't

818
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:27,239
feel totally. Disrespected but with The, kings it's always dangerous

819
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,159
to assume that they're going to just do the common

820
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,360
sense thing and secure the. Guy as we learned With

821
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:34,039
Kean ellis this summer.

822
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: We were doing bold predictions on the podcast Or granted

823
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,920
AND i did a collap At Bleacher.

824
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,159
Speaker 3: REPORT i don't remember which one it.

825
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: Was at this, POINT i predicted he was going to

826
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:43,880
get more than thirty million dollars a year in an,

827
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,679
Extension SO i at least thought he was going to get.

828
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 3: Extended we'll.

829
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: SEE i mean camps are starting up as we're recording,

830
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,840
this like recording this shortly before they fire, Up so

831
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:54,079
that's normally it feels like when these deals tend to get.

832
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:57,159
Speaker 3: Done, yeah does? He how?

833
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: Does how does having a new front office to where

834
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,920
this Isn't Scott perry's guy necessarily do you think could

835
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,360
impact negotiations there are let's say an extension doesn't get.

836
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,679
Done we still very seldom see players In Keiga murray

837
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,440
situation who are worth a damn just get traded because

838
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:14,840
they're not really making that much. Money and like what

839
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,639
you've said about restricted free agency throughout this, podcast do

840
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:19,280
you think that could make it more likely, though that

841
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,559
The kings make some sort of nuclear we're gonna move

842
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:24,960
on From we're gonna be we're gonna preempt his restricted

843
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,519
freegency by moving on from him to type of Decision

844
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:28,519
they totally.

845
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: Could i'd be surprised just because even though he's Not perry's,

846
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,079
guy like all the Things Scott perry, said he wants

847
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:40,079
this team to look Like, Keon keon also, fits But

848
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:44,360
Keiga murray fits those scriptures as far as like hard

849
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,360
nos to a player like bought, In LIKE i, mean

850
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,280
he kind of does all the things that anyone says

851
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,079
they want their team to look, like and So i'd be.

852
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:57,880
Shocked but it's also LIKE i a year, AGO i

853
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,480
thought it was stupid to think that they wouldn't extend

854
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,920
Tieron fox and keep that. Going So i've given up saying, like,

855
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:08,880
no this won't. Happen that'd be stupid because that's when

856
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,320
The kings go, haha hold my. Beer BUT i would

857
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,960
Be i'd still be. Surprised i'm not gonna say they

858
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,199
won't do, it because they always find new ways to depress.

859
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,079
Me But i'd be surprised if they don't find a

860
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:26,000
way to make an extension happen and just get it.

861
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:27,559
Done would?

862
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:30,039
Speaker 1: IT i guess because of the way restricted free agency,

863
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:33,480
works this is an easy, question BUT i can't imagine

864
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,440
with the way the rosters currently set up that Both

865
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:38,519
Keon ellis And Keithan murray are going to be making

866
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,519
real rotation player money on this roster unless they make

867
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:44,480
a move After so who do you view as the

868
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:47,440
bigger flight? Ris is it Just Keon ellis because he's

869
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:48,639
going to be an unrestricted free?

870
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: Agent? Yeah they screwed that up. Right.

871
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: YEAH i have a super into The, weeds x's And

872
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,719
o's defensive question for, you, Fantastic what it's more likely

873
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,840
that The kings have a top fifteen defense or they

874
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,480
Trade Domas sabonis in the middle of the.

875
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,159
Speaker 2: Season, oh it's absolutely Trading. Sabonas LIKE i would, say

876
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,719
there's probably like i'd, say there's like a, fifty like

877
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,519
fifty to fifty chance that happens, Anyway LIKE i don't

878
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:23,199
get THE i just nothing's been said, Officially And sibonis

879
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,320
is like he's a smart enough guy who plays the

880
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,280
meeting game, well like he's not gonna go out and

881
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:29,239
throw a fit and leak a bunch of. Stuff BUT

882
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,800
i think he wants, Out like that's just the, Impression,

883
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,039
like you, know there's the talk that he was gonna

884
00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:38,920
have a conversation with management about like, yeah what was

885
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:46,239
here clarity On and it's like and it's, like is

886
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,400
this the clarity you were looking? For Like Dennis shrewder.

887
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,119
Speaker 3: LIKE i don't, know like like The kings are daring.

888
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:56,639
Speaker 2: Him, Yeah SO i would not be shocked at all

889
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,360
If sabonism's up, traded And i'm sure They'll i'm sure

890
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,719
they'll get just a blockbuster return for that because they're

891
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,480
really good at.

892
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,159
Speaker 4: Trades SO i would be curious to see because he's

893
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,039
got like three years and one hundred and forty six

894
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:12,559
million yefes on his, deal which is it's under twenty

895
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:13,840
eight percent of the salary cap.

896
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,599
Speaker 3: Or whatever it ends up.

897
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,519
Speaker 1: BEING i would be very curious to see what return

898
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:19,480
they fetch on, him because there are just certain players

899
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:20,760
AND i tend to be on the HOT i as

900
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,360
the bonus on one of my ALL nba teams this,

901
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,360
YEAR i tend to be a little bit higher than

902
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,199
most on, Him BUT i also recognize like the, problems

903
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,599
But i'm also sort of wondering The kings have like

904
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:34,960
done literally nothing to try and like like optimize what

905
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,800
they could be or insulate him against his worst, weaknesses

906
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,400
and they continue to veer further away from, it it

907
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,320
seems like because now they're starting a knife into his

908
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:46,920
offensive value with what they've assembled around. Him and he's

909
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,039
still a fantastic, player but it's like these are not

910
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,719
intuitive fits a lot of these players around, Him and

911
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,559
then you go on the defensive end and it's what

912
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,920
are we doing? Here like It's Kegan murray is your

913
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,400
best like rim, Protector like that's the guy you watch

914
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:02,679
the low man in the the, bonus which good FOR

915
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,000
i think he's actually done pretty well doing that. Stuff

916
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:07,840
now your backup bigs Or Drew ubanks And darren Ol

917
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,760
shartz and come, On Isaac jones and we're gonna See

918
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,199
rayno this.

919
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: Year that makes me.

920
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,679
Speaker 1: Excited this IS I I but that was my long

921
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,639
rambling way of. Saying if he does request a, trader

922
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,119
they shot. Him he's in that tray young tier for

923
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,199
me to where it's just, Like i'm very curiously how

924
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:23,159
the rest of the league would.

925
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,159
Speaker 3: Value them if they were ever truly.

926
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: AVAILABLE i think, AGAIN i tend to be hire on

927
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:28,119
him the, most but it wouldn't shock me if this

928
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,719
is anyone expecting The kings to get, LIKE i don't

929
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,760
know three First, like would they get The Desmond bain.

930
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 3: PACKAGE i, DON'T i.

931
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,519
Speaker 2: Don't probably not, RIGHT i would, say probably not like

932
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:47,719
AND i, mean if you're building a, team like it's

933
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:53,559
the challenges it's really hard to build a team Around

934
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:57,000
delmas as your center just because of the issues that he,

935
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:59,639
Has like you need the the exact right types of

936
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:01,000
players around him to really like.

937
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 3: To obs or.

938
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,199
Speaker 2: Something, yeah basically and The kings just made a point

939
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,039
to never even try to put any of those types around,

940
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:10,559
Him SO i think that does make the issues look.

941
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:14,559
Worse but any team that's giving up stuff and you

942
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:16,800
got to match the salary and all, this it's like

943
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,559
it would be very tricky to figure, out Like, okay

944
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:25,039
where could he go where they could make the money

945
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:29,800
work and he improves the, team and like where it

946
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,960
just made sense for someone to trade for, Him LIKE

947
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:36,239
i do think that'd be tricky to. Find and you,

948
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,039
KNOW i just assume somehow The bulls would be. Involved

949
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:42,800
we'll Get boots back and you, know you, know get

950
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:48,519
the band back. Together but, yeah it would definitely be

951
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:51,199
interesting to see what he would actually fetch in the.

952
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:52,360
Market right, now he.

953
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,679
Speaker 1: Would make a lot of sense on a Good Boston celtics,

954
00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:56,360
TEAM i think at this, point.

955
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: If it's, there there's a lot of TEAMS i think

956
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,840
he would be really nice on if he's especially if

957
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,960
he's like your third best, player like that's fantastic like. That,

958
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,239
yeah you can do a lot of good things, there

959
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,199
but it's just hard to make it, WORK i.

960
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,599
Speaker 1: THINK I also the other thing with me too is

961
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:14,239
if The kings are still trying to be. GOOD i

962
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,159
understand he's a difficult player to build, around but you've

963
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:21,159
now completely punched on the idea of properly sized wings

964
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,280
or rim protection at, all and like that's like those

965
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,239
are supposed to be the non negotiables with, him and

966
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,559
so Even i've come around to the, IDEA i was

967
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:30,519
definitely wrong about this years, ago WHERE i think a

968
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:32,519
lot of people were ahead of, it where it's you

969
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:34,719
could have put And i'll use the bonus as the, example, like,

970
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,000
yeah you could put him next to A Jared allen

971
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:38,440
and like they'll be able to figure.

972
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:38,559
Speaker 3: It out on.

973
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: Offense i'm all for doing something like that, now and

974
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,159
they just they, Haven't like there hasn't been the let's

975
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:46,880
place this top tier rim protector by him and see.

976
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: If that could.

977
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: Work and SO i just don't AND i don't know

978
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,320
how much of OR i don't know THAT i blame

979
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:52,679
any of.

980
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:53,559
Speaker 2: This it like leave.

981
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: It it's Got perry's, Feet like the Whole Dennis shuder

982
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,480
stuff is, weird but like he's taught what you're saying

983
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,000
that he wants to build is completely like separated from

984
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,519
the reality of what The kings are right. Now but

985
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:07,719
he's only been in charge for a, minute so do

986
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,280
we need to give him the benefit of the? Doubt

987
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,119
do you see this team even let's say things are

988
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:13,039
going off the rails this?

989
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 3: Season So i'll ask a twofold. Question, sure let's take

990
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,519
the rosy end. First what does overachieving or what's the

991
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:23,480
pathway to this team overachieving this coming? Season like what

992
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:24,039
does that look?

993
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: Like is it just they're so good on offense that

994
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,199
they wind up winning a bunch of?

995
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 2: Games, YEAH i MEAN i think that that would really

996
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,760
be it that for all the talk around, fit which

997
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:40,360
the fit issues are so, many, right but there's a

998
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,599
lot of talented players on The kings, roster like more talent,

999
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,400
overall just as far as like the number of guys

1000
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,679
that you're, like, yeah you could play, Them, like it's

1001
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,360
a very talented, team especially compared to many of the

1002
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,000
Past kings teams that have been. Terrible so there's a

1003
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,719
lot of basketball. Talent it's just not a good team that.

1004
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,559
Fit so the idea of overachieving would be its regular.

1005
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:07,760
Season if they play, hard there's enough talent there that

1006
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,760
they could just win games on, talent even if schematically

1007
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,159
there's still a Mess i'm skeptical about, that but and

1008
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:19,159
winning more than EXPECTED i still think is like maybe

1009
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,760
they're a five hundred. Team, LIKE i don't have high

1010
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,800
expectations for win totals this. YEAR i think that overachieving is,

1011
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,159
like you, know maybe of home court for your playing

1012
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:36,280
round this. Year so, YEAH i it would just be

1013
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,559
there's enough talent there and the offense offsets the defensive.

1014
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: Issues do you think that if they were to, struggle

1015
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,639
and we're talking like maybe they're hovering like ten to

1016
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:50,880
eleventh rather than being firmly in the play and, mix

1017
00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:54,280
would they be more likely to try and double down

1018
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:56,440
to make sure that they get inside the playing for that.

1019
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 3: Picture or because there.

1020
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: Is this new front office regime in, there might there

1021
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,000
be the leeway. Too well we are like we know that,

1022
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:05,199
there But i'm asking this, question, like, well we know

1023
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,280
they're willing to trade To Rosenen, monk they just can't find,

1024
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,320
Takers and, like is this team even built to tear

1025
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,840
it down if that's what fans, want because how many

1026
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,320
of their? Players, Yeah Keegan, murray Keon el is, sure

1027
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,559
but those are the players you don't want to.

1028
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,639
Speaker 3: Trade as part of a.

1029
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: TEARDOWN i don't think that this team will ever intentionally

1030
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,559
tear down as long as the back is the. Owner,

1031
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:28,760
like they have had many seasons over the years where

1032
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,360
they've been bad and clearly out of the playoffs and

1033
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,199
refuse to do anything to, win to lose a couple

1034
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,960
extra games and it's cost him in lottery coin flips

1035
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,559
and things like that over the, years where you, know

1036
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,679
if they'd won like one fewer, game they would have

1037
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,639
had like the pick that turned Into Franz wagner instead

1038
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:50,559
Of Davion, Mitchell, like, yeah so there's things like that

1039
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:53,199
WHERE i might have mixed up draft years, there BUT

1040
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,039
i don't THINK i. Did but they've never shown a

1041
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:02,199
willingness to tear down and lean into being. Bad like,

1042
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,480
really the best hope that we have is that it's

1043
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,519
the unintentional tank where despite their best, efforts they're in

1044
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:15,880
a nice lottery position and they get, lucky and then

1045
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,119
for once they get lottery luck and don't pass on

1046
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,159
a generational.

1047
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:27,119
Speaker 1: Star do you have any early impressions On Nick clifford

1048
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:28,960
and what type of role he could. Have does it

1049
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,519
bode well for him that they're so type of wing,

1050
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:34,559
starved or does it bode poorly for him that he's

1051
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:35,960
like a fringe wing.

1052
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: And they already have so many.

1053
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:41,519
Speaker 2: Guards, yeah he showed some really nice things In Summer.

1054
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:43,559
League he was a really nice, surprise AND i think

1055
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:47,679
they got good value for where he was. Picked he

1056
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,039
seems like a guy, who if nothing, else could be

1057
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:52,280
a decent bench player for quite a while in the.

1058
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,440
LEAGUE i think it's gonna be very hard with the current,

1059
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,840
roster so, like unless they do manage to make some

1060
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,000
moves to load a few, pieces it's hard to see

1061
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000
where those minutes are going to come in BECAUSE i, mean,

1062
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:08,599
YEAH i, mean if you're talking guards and, wings you

1063
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:11,360
just have so many guys that could play ahead of.

1064
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,079
Them so really the hope is that maybe he can

1065
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,280
be like some back up three, minutes but you, know

1066
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,360
behind the Rosen but IT i think it's gonna be pretty.

1067
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,239
LIMITED i think we'll see smaller doses unless there's another

1068
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,679
roster move to change things.

1069
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 3: Up he HIT i think it was In summery against The.

1070
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:35,519
Speaker 1: Calves he hit that like crossover step back three coming

1071
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:37,199
off as screen around the, baseline AND i was, like

1072
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,719
that's ONE i would just like to See Keigan murray.

1073
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 3: Do that would be pretty, Cool BUT.

1074
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: I was just PLAY i would just play him like

1075
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,159
he should be about use him as the day facto

1076
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,400
backup three at this, point because you don't, have like

1077
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:49,920
we talk about properly wing sized.

1078
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,159
Speaker 3: Players was he listed as he's six five or is he? What?

1079
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,920
Like so you know? What that's big enough to? Me

1080
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:57,239
like it's SO i hope they play him a.

1081
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,039
Speaker 1: Ton the other player on this roster WHO i find,

1082
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:00,800
interesting mostly BECAUSE i don't have a great feel for

1083
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,760
what he could be on the offensive.

1084
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,639
Speaker 3: END i think injuries have played a huge part of.

1085
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:08,039
That But Devin carter where just sort of you at with.

1086
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:12,119
Speaker 2: HIM i was not high On Devin carter when he was,

1087
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:17,920
picked and WHAT i saw after he came back from,

1088
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,800
injury and WHAT i saw In Summer league this, YEAR

1089
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,800
i remained very low On. Carter i'm Just i'm not.

1090
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,000
Sold i'm not a big. Fan there's a chance it's

1091
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,880
maybe just the wrong, situation BUT I i think The

1092
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,039
kings have been pretty openly trying to move him this summer,

1093
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:38,360
too and not having much, luck and you, know their

1094
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,880
faith in him is leading them to also try to

1095
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,800
Add Russell. Westbrooks that tells you kind of where they

1096
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,000
stand with him as far as like when you draft

1097
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:50,480
older rookies because they're supposed to be ready right away

1098
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,320
and going into their sophomore year where they're already twenty

1099
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,199
three Year, like we can't rely on him as a

1100
00:54:57,199 --> 00:54:59,679
backup point. Guard we Need Russell Westbrook, LIKE i mean

1101
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:01,840
that he tells you where Where Devin carter's at in his.

1102
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,440
Career and you, know, Again i'm not rooting against. Him

1103
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:09,119
i'm just Not i'm not sold on there being a lot.

1104
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: There who do you think is a better chance of

1105
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,280
carving out consistent playing time between him And?

1106
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 3: Clifford SO i feel.

1107
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:18,679
Speaker 1: Like, CLIFFORD i think he's the better, player But i'm,

1108
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:22,960
wondering Like Devin carter is like a defensive. BULLDOG i

1109
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,960
think like he could we know he can really guard.

1110
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:27,480
Up he's, small but he'll guard up and go after.

1111
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:31,159
WINGS i think Nee clifford sort of has, that like

1112
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:32,960
he showed that In Summer, league but Summ. League the

1113
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,519
Summer league is summer, League so that would be my only.

1114
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:37,480
Pause BUT i GUESS i didn't think about it through

1115
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,519
The Russell westbrook prism to where if they're if, so,

1116
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:42,320
YEAH i hope it's The i'm higher on New.

1117
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,039
Speaker 3: CLIFFORD i really like. HIM i think the kids did

1118
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:45,320
a good. Thing they Got New.

1119
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:50,039
Speaker 2: Clifford one good. Thing that's all we can.

1120
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:54,519
Speaker 1: Do are you Ready greg to enter the annual Cookie

1121
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:58,599
cutter Slash lightning round portion of the? Post we talked

1122
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:00,199
about a bunch of, them but Now i'm gonna ask

1123
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:01,920
you to boil it down to. One what is the

1124
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,719
single biggest need for The Sacramento kings when you look

1125
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,880
at their current roster heading into trading, camp.

1126
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:15,599
Speaker 2: The single biggest need is Trading Tomato rosen for a

1127
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:19,880
real power. FORWARD i don't think that'll happen before, camp

1128
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,400
but that's what they. Need.

1129
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:25,519
Speaker 1: Man i'm trying to think of what about like who

1130
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:28,519
makes the money that would work within the Mart rosan.

1131
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:32,679
Speaker 2: STRUCTURE i have no. IDEA i don't have a proposal

1132
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,760
here is just that's what you, know if we could

1133
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,800
magically do that and ideally that for can like shoot

1134
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:44,800
in block shots like you know that that suddenly would

1135
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,360
make the roster. WORK i just don't think that scenario

1136
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:48,920
exists in.

1137
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: Reality, well, look THERE'S i don't want, to you, know

1138
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,880
get your hopes, up like there's a chance That kawhi

1139
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:55,239
is maybe a free agent at some.

1140
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 2: Point, oh.

1141
00:56:57,559 --> 00:56:58,559
Speaker 3: CAN i interest you Into Kyle?

1142
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: Kuzma uh, no thank?

1143
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: You you want to reunion with you want to Try?

1144
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:07,199
Bulls Patrick williams floating around out?

1145
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:12,199
Speaker 2: There Oh, god that contract goes on. Forever, YEAH i,

1146
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:15,119
mean BUT i hear it's real tradable in year four and.

1147
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: Five so, yeah, honestly he can only play like three

1148
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,079
minutes a game and not The magic wouldn't Want, derosan

1149
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:24,239
But Jonathan isaac would make some sense on this team.

1150
00:57:24,239 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 3: Too.

1151
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,159
Speaker 2: Yeah UH.

1152
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,239
Speaker 3: Pj washington's like the perfect player for. Them.

1153
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, guy they could have traded for like two years

1154
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:34,199
ago and.

1155
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,559
Speaker 1: Didn't is there anything about this team that's flying under

1156
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:42,119
the radar that you think deserves more of a. Spotlight

1157
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,840
we're talking on cored or off. Court it could be

1158
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,000
whatever you, well if you want to get into some

1159
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,039
of the gu. STUFF i don't think that's flying under the,

1160
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:54,400
radar but it be whatever you.

1161
00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: WANT i think if we're looking at where this team's, at,

1162
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,039
NO i MEAN i don't have. ANYTHING i. DON'T i

1163
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:11,519
think the whole team is kind of flying under the

1164
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:14,920
radar because everyone's just kind of tired of like any,

1165
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,519
podcasts like The. Kings what's there to, Say like it's

1166
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:21,480
just depressing EVERYONE'S i don't like The kings as a

1167
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:23,800
team are a little under the. RADAR i think they'll

1168
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,840
probably win a couple more games than people, think just

1169
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,800
because expectations are so.

1170
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:31,519
Speaker 1: Have a top eight offense is not out of, possibility,

1171
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:32,719
right entirely.

1172
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:38,079
Speaker 2: Possible BUT i think it's just gonna be a wasted

1173
00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:41,199
year and and a directionless. YEAR i don't think there's

1174
00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:43,679
a lot Where i'm, like keep your eye on. This

1175
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:46,239
this is really gonna excite, you like outside of the

1176
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,920
things we've already talked, about like you, Know Nie clifford

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00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,159
And Kicking murray And keanels like those are kind of

1178
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:56,119
the bright, spots but they'll be buried under less exciting.

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Speaker 1: THINGS i, WAS i can this is the twentieth the

1180
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:02,440
twentieth look at ever. Recorded that's the most depressing under

1181
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,400
the radar answer That I'VE i have.

1182
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:09,639
Speaker 2: Gotten here's something under under the radar to watch out.

1183
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:13,519
For Russell westbrook is on pace assuming he ends up

1184
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:16,000
with The kings this, year to become like the highest

1185
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:17,360
scoring point guard IN nba.

1186
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: History, well at that, point you got to start him.

1187
00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:24,239
Speaker 2: Right EXACTLY i mean he's so.

1188
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,719
Speaker 1: Good, Okay, so as this team is currently, Built i'm

1189
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,000
asking you to build a ten man.

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00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:32,679
Speaker 3: Rotation what are the starters and who are the five

1191
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,400
most used? Reserves?

1192
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: Uh, so, STARTERS i would expect it to Be, Sabonis Keegan,

1193
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:49,320
Tomato Rosen, Levigne sugar off the, BENCH i would expect

1194
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:58,960
so we've got And Kean, Ellis, Monk Isaac. Jones i'd

1195
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:05,360
Expect Neat clifford to be somewhere in. There AND i

1196
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:11,199
don't Know banks right, Yeah drew You banks right?

1197
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 3: Now?

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01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah it gets gets pretty bleak when we get

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01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:16,760
to eight or. Nine so.

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01:00:18,719 --> 01:00:21,719
Speaker 3: Well, again so who has.

1201
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: About this? Team that's not my my my intent. HERE

1202
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,039
i don't think anyone should get their hopes.

1203
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:35,719
Speaker 1: Up this is just some extent matchup Dependent but who

1204
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,880
what will be The kings's go to or what should

1205
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,039
be The kings's go to closing unit is just sort

1206
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:40,280
of their.

1207
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 2: Base the base this, YEAR i would expect is probably

1208
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,119
just gonna be the starting.

1209
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,239
Speaker 1: Five and which pot do you think would be most

1210
01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:52,840
fungible then of that starting five to get the.

1211
01:00:52,880 --> 01:01:00,159
Speaker 2: BOOT i could see them kind of playing with matchups

1212
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,599
as well as kind of hot hand as far as

1213
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,280
you may Be monks in there instead Of, tomorrow or

1214
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,559
in there instead Of, levine or you, know maybe they

1215
01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:13,280
go bigger and have shroed around the. Bench SO i

1216
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,199
could See monk kind of filtering in and out of

1217
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:17,000
there for as long as he's on the. Roster but

1218
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:19,960
that'd be the main tweak THAT i would. See, OTHERWISE

1219
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,840
i think they're gonna lean pretty heavy on that starting.

1220
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,400
FIVE i don't Expect Keon house to be a lot

1221
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,519
in the closing, lineup even though it would make a

1222
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:27,440
lot of sense to have them.

1223
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:32,639
Speaker 1: There i'm so angry. Again you're making me. Retro you're

1224
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:37,039
making me like angry into the. Future what's a weird

1225
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:38,840
lineup you want to See Doug christy try this?

1226
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: Year my weirdo lineup would just, be like play the

1227
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,960
lineup that this team should be playing if they leaned

1228
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,920
into what they actually, are you, know like like play

1229
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,679
the kids like you know kind of we talked, about

1230
01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:58,760
like play a lineup Where key emerged like your primary,

1231
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:03,079
guy you, know likean With Kean ellis and you, know

1232
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:06,880
Throwne clifford and throw him in, there you, know Throw

1233
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,599
carter in. THERE i don't, care like just throwing the young, guys,

1234
01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:12,480
like see what you got with the younger. PIECES i,

1235
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:15,719
mean you could still Have sabonis in there just as.

1236
01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:18,119
Speaker 1: Well if the bonus plus kids was plus quote unquote

1237
01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:18,559
kids was.

1238
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: Mine, YEAH i mean you could Go, Sabonis Isaac, Jones Keegan,

1239
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,800
Murray Kean, ellis And Neet clifford is like a, big

1240
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,079
big point. Guard like that'd be. FUN i would enjoy

1241
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:35,599
watching that lineup for the the three minutes that they'll

1242
01:02:35,679 --> 01:02:36,519
roll it out all.

1243
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: Season, WELL i hope it's more than, that because that's

1244
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:42,880
like it's weirdo in this end what you should, do,

1245
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:44,280
Right that's why it's.

1246
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: Weird, yeah before and, fourteen that would be very, logical like, expectation, like,

1247
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:53,360
yeah we've got all these, bets but we're gonna definitely

1248
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,599
play these lineups, heavy just to kind of see what we.

1249
01:02:55,679 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: Got, kings the optics of them having To martroe And Zach,

1250
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,800
Lavina Malik monk just all on the bed denis true

1251
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,559
on the bench at once would be hysterical.

1252
01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: Too, yes it'd be.

1253
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,119
Speaker 1: Fantastic BEFORE i forced you to make some, predictions is

1254
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:11,480
there anything or anyone else about this team we haven't

1255
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:12,719
discussed that you Think warrant's.

1256
01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:16,719
Speaker 2: ATTENTION i would just like to call out, that you,

1257
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:21,519
know in for a team that is lacking in you,

1258
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:24,159
know younger pieces to get excited about or kind of

1259
01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:28,599
some Extra lotto tickets or you, know really in need

1260
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:31,360
of like a power forward or some extra big man.

1261
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,159
Depth The kings filled out. There they're roster by Resigning

1262
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:40,320
doug McDermott for another, season so we get yet another

1263
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,639
year Of doug mcbuckets in THE, nba and that's that's

1264
01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:46,719
really fun for a team that's in garbage time a

1265
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:49,079
lot and usually on the bad end of. It but

1266
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:51,480
when he comes in and just goes flamethrower and just

1267
01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:54,480
like chucking up threes and hits like nine and six,

1268
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:59,159
minutes it's. Fantastic so it's depressing that they went that

1269
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:03,000
direction from a roster like team building, perspective but from

1270
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,480
a make garbage time kind of, fun it's.

1271
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: Fantastic he could be the kick And Murray whisper maybe

1272
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,840
teach him like how to how to work out on offense. Exactly,

1273
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,559
so how many games do you see this team winning

1274
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:19,239
and where do you see them stacking up in The.

1275
01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:21,079
WEST i think the best way to frame that is

1276
01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:23,880
what are the teams in The Western conference you are

1277
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,840
prepared to guarantee will be worse than The Sacramento Kings right, NOW.

1278
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 2: I would expect The kings to win thirty six thirty

1279
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:35,960
seven games this.

1280
01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 3: Year that's very both of.

1281
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 2: Them, YEAH i mean it's Very kings of them. TOO

1282
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:47,519
i MEAN i mean TEAMS i would guarantee are going

1283
01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:57,719
to be Worse, utah Probably, phoenix Probably, pelicans but something

1284
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,920
that's depending On LIKE i could easily see like If

1285
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,599
zion is like skiddy and healthy for a full, year

1286
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:06,840
Like pelicans could be better than The, kings just based on, That, like.

1287
01:05:08,119 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 3: The pelicans better be better than The kings with it they.

1288
01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: Are banking on. It but, yeah, NO i think The

1289
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,920
kings probably finish somewhere around twelfth in The. WEST i

1290
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,280
think they'll be better than two or three teams in The,

1291
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:23,960
west and that'll be.

1292
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: It that sounds about. Right i'm even trying to think

1293
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,880
you have a wild card team in The. WEST i

1294
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,360
think you named the three teams THAT i would, like Maybe, portland.

1295
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,599
Speaker 2: Right but it just feels Like portland's got enough though

1296
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:36,400
there are.

1297
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:37,719
Speaker 3: Dudes they have a lot of du.

1298
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: Good mix of young guys who play, well that's, LIKE i,

1299
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:47,320
mean they've got. It, No portland is a multiple.

1300
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 3: Rim, protectors WHICH i don't even think The kings knew was.

1301
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 2: Allowed, NO i don't think you can do.

1302
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 3: That so that's about, it CAN?

1303
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,119
Speaker 1: I so my final question to you would be CAN

1304
01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:02,159
i get one additional king's prediction from?

1305
01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 3: You you could take it wherever you would.

1306
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 2: Like one additional king's. PREDICTION i will predict that they

1307
01:06:12,679 --> 01:06:16,280
almost make a big trade at the. Deadline, yeah we'll

1308
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:21,119
hear all About oh we'll hear, Yeah well we'll hear

1309
01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:23,559
all about the trade that they're working, on and then it.

1310
01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:28,119
Won't it won't, happen so they'll. Pivot that'd be my.

1311
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:32,239
Speaker 3: Prediction well it bes a buyer or a seller that

1312
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,320
we'll hear, About.

1313
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,039
Speaker 2: Oh, DEFINITELY i mean. Both they'll be trying to get

1314
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:40,559
off of their contracts they don't like for someone they

1315
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,679
can't get without giving up anything.

1316
01:06:42,719 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 3: Else so sounds about.

1317
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah Greg, very this was, great another great conversation with.

1318
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,360
You thank you so much for coming back and giving

1319
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,480
me a bunch of your. Time are you just able

1320
01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:56,719
to tell everyone who listens to slash watches us where

1321
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:58,880
they can find you and all the fantastic work that

1322
01:06:58,960 --> 01:06:59,440
you don't do.

1323
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:04,559
Speaker 2: Anymore, Yeah i've kind of hung up my writing days

1324
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:08,239
At The King's, herald but definitely Visit kingserald dot. Com

1325
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,800
i'm still kind of involved in the back end of the,

1326
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,519
site but that's where you can find the Best kings

1327
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:18,159
coverage out. There and then if you want to see

1328
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:20,800
my takes on just On Blue sky at G whiz

1329
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,519
and just you, know tweeting out my jokes and my basketball,

1330
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:26,440
TAKES i will have.

1331
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 3: The link to The King harold in our podcast.

1332
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 2: Descriptions go check them.

1333
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,559
Speaker 1: Out they do a great job like covering the polls

1334
01:07:31,559 --> 01:07:33,199
of the team and a fan base at.

1335
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,519
Speaker 3: Large, greg once, more thank you so. Much and as

1336
01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:38,039
you know by now the suming years servive this, SEASON

1337
01:07:38,119 --> 01:07:39,719
i will be best for you again in the.

1338
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,079
Speaker 2: Future sounds. Good