WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:17.440 Sorry, I just choked on so much water. 2 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:19.280 That's it. That's it. That's the start of the show. 3 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:22.600 Go go into it. Be it, bro we didn't get 4 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:26.879 Come on, hey, everybody, this is the start. 5 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:30.719 Welcome back to the fire Escape cast. It is who 6 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:33.119 the fuck knows what day it is, it's episode eighty seven. 7 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:35.439 That water went straight into my lungs. 8 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:37.200 I think, oh man, it'd be funny if it was 9 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:38.159 like anything but water. 10 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:41.320 No, it's just water. I have tea here too, but 11 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:43.159 that'd be funny. That would have hurt because this is hot. 12 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:44.759 Oh yeah. 13 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:47.079 We were trying to get room silence for Jake. This 14 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:49.600 is all. This is all really nitty gritty stuff. And 15 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:50.679 then I just choked on water. 16 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:52.560 And then it's fun to watch you like knock in 17 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:56.200 a second, go though. This must be how the Olympians 18 00:00:56.280 --> 00:01:00.600 feel when they are competing and there's no redo and. 19 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:04.680 You just to go. I mean, I'm like stevens Netterosic. 20 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:07.680 If I walked up to the pommel horse, did one 21 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:12.439 spin and then crouched punched it and then fell off, do. 22 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:15.120 You get you'd get bronze. 23 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:17.200 No, I just lose. I would fall off the pommel 24 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:19.120 horse completely, Okay. 25 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:21.359 Is he the guy who's a wiener hit the bar 26 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:22.120 on the way down? 27 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.640 But that's that's that. 28 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:29.439 He didn't like get like, didn't like ruin his wiener 29 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:31.560 or anything. Right, Like he's okay, like we could laugh 30 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:31.840 at it. 31 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:35.480 No, Yeah, I think those poles are pretty flexible, Okay, 32 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:39.799 And so is the thing he's jumping over. There's got 33 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:42.239 a lot of good stuff. We we've uh, we were 34 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:44.680 not super excited for the Olympics, but then the day 35 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:46.560 one we started watching him, we've been they've been on 36 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:47.840 all the time in our apartment. 37 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:50.920 Feels like I've just seen the wiener guy. 38 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:53.439 That makes sense. You've probably seen the Turkish air pistol 39 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:55.920 guy with his hand in his pocket. You've seen him. 40 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:58.599 He there's that event where they're using like the air 41 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:01.319 pistol on the target. But a lot of people have 42 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:05.400 like this these crazy metal your solid squei apparatuses. He 43 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:08.000 just like basically had a hand in his pocket and 44 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:12.759 regular glasses and like kind of just nonchalantly walked up 45 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.800 and got what silver I think, oh wow, to the Korean. 46 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:19.400 I think the girl who had all this stuff also 47 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:22.639 looked really cool with all of her goggles and glasses 48 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:26.400 and do dads. I love watching the Olympics. It makes me. 49 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:29.360 It's the most patriotic I get every four years. I 50 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:33.039 basically like only stew about the things I don't like 51 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:36.199 about America, and then during the Olympics, I put on 52 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:41.439 my American flag cap and root for the gymnastics team 53 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:45.159 because they always do so good. And again they got 54 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:47.840 the gold, so I was really proud of the girls. 55 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:48.719 They just killed it. 56 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:51.800 Are we generally good at Olympics as a country. 57 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:56.319 It depends, but we're known for getting up there on 58 00:02:56.400 --> 00:03:00.199 the metal counters, so like they usually compare how many 59 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:03.639 medals each country gets, and I think we were up there, 60 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:05.960 although I don't actually know where we fared, but we 61 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:07.080 were stuck it last time. 62 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.680 I looked no no, no, no no. That's because track and 63 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:12.400 field hadn't started yet. We're well ahead of China. China 64 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:16.400 has I think more golds. Let me, yes, We're almost 65 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:20.159 like always really good at the Olympics. So China has 66 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:22.800 twenty one gold medals, we have twenty, but we have 67 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:26.199 seventy eight. Totally have fifty three. Wow, France is doing 68 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:28.120 pretty well. They're at forty eight medals. 69 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:30.039 What do we suck at? 70 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:34.240 Well? It's the first time men's gymnastics as a team 71 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:38.159 got medal since two thousand and four. Mary, you would 72 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:40.719 probably know more than me something like that. We're generally 73 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:43.560 really good at swimming. This is the first time ever 74 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.759 in Olympics history that the four by four individual or 75 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.560 four by four medley relay we did not get the gold. 76 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:52.360 That's when they do four guys or four women, but 77 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:56.039 in this case is the men. Each person on the 78 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.400 team does a different stroke, and that's the first time 79 00:03:58.400 --> 00:03:59.199 we've lost it ever. 80 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:06.000 Yeah, okay, the Olympics. Is Michael Phelps still doing the 81 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:06.879 swimming thing? 82 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:10.800 No, not for a while. Oh he was there, he commentates. 83 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:14.879 He's like a big pundit now he uh he his 84 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:17.879 coach at Arizona State is now coaching like the fastest 85 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:20.639 swimmer in the world, who is French Land Marshaan and 86 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:24.000 Michael Felt. He broke Michael Phelps record for forget what 87 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:28.120 stroke it was, breast there's a lot of sexual terms 88 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:32.639 in swimming. Yeah, breaststroke, that's about it. 89 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:38.519 Stroke stroke I meant and stroke are both yeah. Yeah. Uh. 90 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:41.800 Basketball has been fun to watch because it's a ton 91 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:43.639 of players I usually hate because they're on the other 92 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:45.560 teams that are on team with Steph Curry now and 93 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:47.600 Steve curR is coaching. He's a Warrior's coach. It's fun. 94 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:49.519 They like all NBA players. 95 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.879 Yeah, and they're playing a lot of NBA players on 96 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:56.240 other teams. But it's it's a pretty scary lineup. It's 97 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:59.399 always scary, but it's like Lebron, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, 98 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:03.600 Devin Booker, Joel Embiid, Anthony Davis. It's a lot of 99 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:04.800 good players. 100 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.160 If there was like a dude that was incredibly good 101 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:09.800 at basketball but had no desire to play in the NBA, 102 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:13.800 could he be on the team Technically with the NBA players. 103 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:17.920 I think, technically, yeah, there's nothing to stop because I 104 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:20.279 don't I forget what year they started allowing NBA players. 105 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:23.800 I think it was the Dream Team with Bird Jordan Johnson. 106 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:29.839 I like the idea of just getting one unbelievably tall person. Yeah, 107 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:32.959 they're not really necessarily, but they stay really close to 108 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:35.319 the net and then they put it in there. 109 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:37.800 There's a French player. He plays with the San Antonio 110 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:39.680 Spurs in the NBA, but he plays for France and 111 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:41.680 the Olympics. He's a center, he's seven to four. 112 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:47.199 Remember that Billy Crystal movie My Giant. Yeah, who was 113 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:49.600 that guy? Was he a real basketball player? I'm gonna 114 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.720 look him up. He was really tall. Georgia and mort 115 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:57.199 Sean he was seven but seven he's still alive. 116 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:57.560 Wow? 117 00:05:57.639 --> 00:05:58.720 Seven? Seven's insane? 118 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.079 You say. Photo of Shaq and Simone Biles standing next 119 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:02.839 to each other from a few. 120 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:04.279 Us, Yes, that's shocking. 121 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:08.519 She's four to eight, oh geez. Yeah, and he's he's 122 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:10.199 seven to one or seven feet tall or something. 123 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:13.079 She's like not even to his waist. It just looks 124 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:13.519 like a. 125 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:17.160 Small child yea, and a huge adult man, which is 126 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:18.000 what he is. 127 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:20.279 Which is what he is. That is accurate. 128 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:22.680 We've got a couple of those photos of Bonk and 129 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.279 professional wrestlers like The Big Show and No Moas who 130 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:28.839 are like seven foot plus and she's five foot. 131 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.720 It's always fun. It's like, how are we the same species? 132 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:32.279 It's crazy? 133 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:36.199 How tall was Andre the Giant. 134 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:38.519 Shoot or work height? 135 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:40.560 What? 136 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:43.519 In real life? 137 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:48.319 You're normally spared this because he wrestling pan ratio is 138 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:50.439 not cross on this podcast, so I don't poison this 139 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:53.519 one with wrestling doc uh, he was built at seven 140 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:55.879 foot four or he might have been build at seven 141 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:59.079 to six. Wikipedia has him listed as a shoot seven 142 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:04.399 to four, which is real. Shoot is real. Yeah, let's see. 143 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:08.120 That's how it all women yama is It's it's crazy, 144 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:11.000 but yeah. The Olympics have been super fun to watch. 145 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.040 Paris has been like killing it it all everything I'm 146 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:17.879 reading and like, uh seeing everybody seems excited. The crowds 147 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.399 are packed. Beach volleyball has been super fun to watch. 148 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:23.879 Tennis was fun. Djokovic got his first Olympic gold. I 149 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:26.120 don't know, we weren't looking forward to them, and all 150 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:27.639 of a sudden they started. We're like, oh, yeah, this 151 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.720 is really cool. When it's We're also coming off of 152 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.439 the COVID Olympics where nobody was in the stand, so 153 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:36.319 obviously no whay to go up. Well you can only 154 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:38.160 go up from there. But it's still been super fun. 155 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.680 I've definitely seen more Mario and Sonic Olympics than real 156 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:45.399 shoot Olympics. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me, but I think 157 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:47.319 I think I would like it. I like competitions. 158 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:52.240 You know, there's some like fun stuff like there's break dancing, Oh, 159 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:55.519 there's the table tennis is always just those are honestly 160 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:57.759 the most impressive people at the entire Olympics. I don't 161 00:07:57.800 --> 00:07:59.439 understand how their brains work that quickly. 162 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:04.000 Skateboarding is fun to watch skateboards the Olympics, it is. 163 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:06.000 They add them all the time, all the time. They'll 164 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.839 be like, this is a new sport. Everyone's really stoked 165 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:10.680 about it. What do you think? And then there's probably 166 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:14.079 some kind of like secret elite process that we're not 167 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:16.439 privy to, or they decide whether or not it's allowed 168 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:18.160 in Still cool. 169 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:21.120 Yeah, I love competitions and I love the idea of 170 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:23.839 like finding out like the objective best in the world 171 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:26.079 at something, And it seems like that's what the whole 172 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:27.120 point of the Olympics is. 173 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:30.519 That's why I feel like there should be more like 174 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:31.360 best in the. 175 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.360 World for us to congratulate. 176 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:35.480 You know, I'm just realizing it as I talk it 177 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:36.159 out in my head. 178 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:40.279 It's like, wow, you're getting there. 179 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:44.639 For Like, didn't they talk about sports? 180 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:47.519 Oh yeah, we talked about esports. I do remember that. 181 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:52.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've talked about real sports too, But 182 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:58.320 the sports on the Olympics. No, not yet, but there's 183 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:02.000 it's been discussed. I'm sure. Actually, I'm not sure. I'm 184 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:04.399 just saying that has it been Mary, you seem to 185 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:05.159 think it has been. 186 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:08.559 Gold medal, Tetris finalist. I mean, I just think like, 187 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:13.120 there's there's a world here where we can compete with 188 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:17.960 who is best at Mario Party, and. 189 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:20.159 I bet it would be an event that Jeff Keeley 190 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:23.799 owns and charges a lot of money for can broadcast. 191 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.039 No, I don't let them get his mits on that. 192 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:32.399 Hey, will guys welcome to No, that's JFK. 193 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:34.639 Hold on second, it's the same keep going. 194 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:39.759 Okay, guys, Hey, everybody, welcome to gaming's biggest night. No, 195 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:43.600 it is not the Game Awards. It is the Olympics. 196 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.679 For the first time ever, we are here. Also here 197 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:53.960 my friend Hideo Kojima. That's all I've got. I think 198 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:55.600 it was better the first time I ever tried it 199 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.240 randomly covered in medals, and I'm. 200 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:01.679 Wearing it went all the The best game developer of gold, silver, 201 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:02.840 and bronze A word. 202 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:06.279 Just keeps trying to give the gold today and I 203 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:08.360 was like, I don't play overwatch. 204 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:12.080 Mike. You said something a second ago and then said 205 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.879 you weren't actually sure of it, which reminded me You've 206 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:16.679 got a little corrections I heard. 207 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:20.639 Yeah, apparently, what do you want to call it? Sparkling 208 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:25.120 water hydrates you just as much. Which here's my question. 209 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:29.320 Does that mean that if I had this cup filled 210 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:32.039 to the brim with still and then the same exact 211 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:35.480 size cup filled to the brim with sparkling drinking, each 212 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:36.919 of those would hydrate me equally. 213 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:38.679 Yeah, if you just dumped a bunch of bubbles in there, 214 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:41.000 it wouldn't suddenly make it not hydrate gas. 215 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.320 It takes up. It takes up. It's like that's going 216 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:44.320 to change the volume. 217 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:45.720 Yeah, the volume. There we go. 218 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:52.399 So okay, So my question is how, and this is 219 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:54.480 a genuine question because I don't fully understand it because 220 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:55.679 the bubbles take up space. 221 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:56.799 I never thought of that. 222 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:02.399 So if you drank the same liquid volume of both, 223 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:04.960 I can't. I don't understand how sparkling would hydrate you 224 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:05.360 as much. 225 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:07.200 What if the bubble is like super What if the 226 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:08.240 bubbles maybe. 227 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.159 It's that small it's like, yeah, maybe it's like an 228 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:11.879 insequential amount of volume. 229 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:14.480 Or what if the bubbles have like a hydration multiplier, 230 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:16.360 Like they take up a little bit of space, but 231 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.120 they have a times two hydration factor. 232 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.120 I don't know maybe, but like I mean, I don't 233 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.159 think that's the thing, but who knows that? 234 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:24.480 Yeah? 235 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:27.639 What if? What if it's not a bunch of little bubbles? 236 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:35.360 What if it's one big bubble. You last episode for 237 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:40.600 saying there was really wrong of me to call it 238 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:41.279 the sphere? 239 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:44.720 I right, I remember talking about the orb or the sphere. 240 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:46.480 I thought that was Mary's whole gimmick, though it was 241 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:47.320 she came up with it. 242 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:49.600 I truly don't remember. 243 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:52.200 But I think the orb is Mary is doing also. 244 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:56.000 But people did support my claim that what do you 245 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:58.240 want to call it? What's the water thing? You freak 246 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.200 out about? Liquid death? Oh yeah, yeah, that has like 247 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:03.600 non natural additives. 248 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:05.200 As a gave something in it. 249 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:08.159 A gave is natural, but it's also got. 250 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:13.639 Dan's like, listen, it's got chemicals. They saw a gove and. 251 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:16.320 That hang on, I'll look at me. Okay, carbon and 252 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.799 water gave nectar, centric acid and natural flavors. 253 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:25.399 That's it, Okay, yeah, okay. 254 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:27.600 Yeah, and their iced tea has a small amount of 255 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:28.919 natural caffeine from black Tea. 256 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:34.600 Okay, But I still will never take liquid advice from 257 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:35.679 you because you drink prime. 258 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:40.720 I'm leaning more on liquid death. These days. 259 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:44.279 Liquid death is great. We went to we didn't on 260 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:49.120 location project at a game studio in the summer and 261 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:52.559 or sorry in the spring and they stock their fridges 262 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:54.399 to the brim with liquid death. That was my first. 263 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:56.600 Like we were at the studio for like a week, 264 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:59.200 so I was just pounding them. Mango is awesome. We 265 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:01.919 talked about me the best. Yeah, mega chan sounds great. 266 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.879 I like, I like, is it just like mixed berry something. 267 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:11.480 They're all puns grape berry something like that. Yeah, craefberry. 268 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:13.679 But I okay for the people who wrote in that's 269 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:17.159 my question is all things being equal, and I have 270 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:19.720 two glasses filled to the brim. The's same size glass, 271 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.759 same hold, the same volume. If one is sparkling water, 272 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.720 one is still water. Would the still water not hydrate me? More? 273 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:28.279 Are the bubbles that in like small that it doesn't 274 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:31.320 make a difference, because that's vexing to me. 275 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.840 I have a coworker who strongly believes that the temperature 276 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.240 of the water impacts how hydrating it is. 277 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:38.600 Now. 278 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:42.240 Their theory is that if you were to have you 279 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:44.360 ever heard of like people who are like in a 280 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.360 frozen tundra and they're eating snow for water, and it 281 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:50.440 actually doesn't hydrate you because your body has to regulate 282 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.879 the snow right, has to melt it in your tum 283 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:56.440 tum turn it into water. And the amount of energy 284 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:59.960 that it takes your body to melt the snow into 285 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:04.559 water is more than the hydration you get from the snow. 286 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:08.080 So eating snow doesn't replenish your hydration. It actually will 287 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:08.679 make you more deep. 288 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:11.919 There's like survival books and stuff that I've read. Yeah, 289 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:14.240 they put the snow in pots and stuff if they 290 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:15.440 can make camp and boil it. 291 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:20.080 Correct, that's the max version. What my friend is saying 292 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.200 is that you should always be drinking room temperature water 293 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.159 if you get a cold drink. 294 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:29.039 Yeah, but we're not on the tundra. We're just sitting 295 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:30.320 at desk writing about videos. 296 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:32.440 Know what we're talking about. We're talking about what hydrates 297 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:35.679 you the most, and what hydrates you the most is 298 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:39.360 room temperature liquid that your body doesn't have to alter. 299 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:42.519 Well, is this related to Apparently it was like, uh, 300 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:45.720 it was debunked that the cub Scouts used to teach 301 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:51.039 you if you are hot, overheated, like out in the wilderness, 302 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:54.759 you drink something hot to cool you down because your 303 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.840 body senses something hot going into you and then works 304 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.320 to cool your entire body down. But then they debunked that. 305 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:05.080 They're like, you know, you, guys, this is stupid. 306 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:07.840 The boy Scouts stupid. 307 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:10.759 I mean, thinking a lot of things right, but like 308 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:13.159 they don't teach that anymore. I don't think. You know 309 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.159 how often I you know, how seldom I talk about 310 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:17.759 something without having all the evidence to back it up. 311 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:18.679 Are you a boy Scouts? 312 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:23.200 No, Jeff was not. Jeff grab was what what did 313 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:25.399 he become an eagle Scout? Uh? 314 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:27.120 No, I think he just meant to boy scouts. 315 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:31.360 Oh that's like the blue Belt of boyscouts. So fun. 316 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:36.840 Yeah, just say his house for a weekend to make fire. 317 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:40.399 I did. Yeah, it was awesome. I stayed in his basement, 318 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:42.720 which is like kind of like my basement where it's 319 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.559 just like nothing but like a game zone thing. It's 320 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:47.399 just it's just game ship everywhere. And he had a 321 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.840 pulled out couch and I just stayed down there and 322 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:51.360 it was like a cool like it was like staying 323 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.039 in a fun college apartment or something, and I had 324 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:55.840 the floor to myself, he had a bathroom and everything. 325 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:58.759 Manati came over, went to see wrestling. We went to bars. 326 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:01.279 Went to a really great place called sixteen Bit in Cleveland, 327 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:03.320 which is like a barcade, but you know, there's like 328 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:05.120 a million barcades now, and they're all like kind of 329 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:07.559 like the same kind of dingy ish. They all got 330 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:09.639 kind of that same vibe. This had like a really 331 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.720 kind of I don't know how to describe interior decoration stuff, 332 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:14.879 but it was just like sharp. It was sharply put together. 333 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:17.080 And they had all these bar games. They had Baci ball, 334 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:18.960 They had this new one where I'd never seen before, 335 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.320 where you throw these these circles at a circle on 336 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.440 the wall and there's hooks on it. Does it sound familiar? 337 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:25.679 Is it on a string? 338 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:28.080 No, it's like a big ass dartboard. It's like the 339 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:30.039 biggest dartboard you ever saw it, and you're throwing rubber 340 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:30.720 hoops at it. 341 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:32.159 Ring Toss. 342 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:37.039 No, No, that's what the bottles right, that's. 343 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:37.720 A carnival game. 344 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:42.080 Yeah, you're describing. 345 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:44.720 Ring tom No, hang on, I'm let me google ring 346 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:49.240 toss here hoops. No, No, this is no. This is 347 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:52.960 on the wall. The big dartboard on the wall. Ring 348 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:54.240 Toss looks to be on the ground. 349 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:56.759 Jake Dan was just hammered and he was on the 350 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:58.200 floor trying to play that's what. 351 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:06.440 Are you tossing rings? But it's goddamn, I don't know 352 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:07.000 what to google. 353 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.960 So I love video games, but if you put like 354 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:15.160 yard games in my vicinity, I will go to those 355 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:16.200 ten times out of it. 356 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:18.799 Oh yeah, and so we did all. We did the 357 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:20.240 fake ring toss thing. We did watch the ball. They 358 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:22.640 had duck pin bowling or it's the like short like 359 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:25.359 bowling alley with the pins on the strings that go 360 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:27.720 back in. It had this tiny little cage where you 361 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:29.720 could like put your legs in and play soccer on 362 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:31.920 like a tiny soccer field in a cage. But then 363 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:34.079 it also had like a billion arcade games and all 364 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.720 on free play and everything, and brewery stuff everywhere and 365 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:39.079 like fun cocktails. That place was fucking great. I've been 366 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:42.000 to a million barcages with that sixteen bit, and Cleveland 367 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:43.200 was maybe the best I've ever been to. 368 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:44.680 What were you doing in Cleveland? 369 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:45.119 Uh? 370 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.480 SummerSlam? Wwe was there and it's like, well, you know, 371 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:51.359 Manatti and Greb both lived near there, and not a 372 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.640 lot of excuses to go to Cleveland. There's not really 373 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:55.759 like game stuff out there, so it'sa liked, well, fuck, 374 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:57.440 let's go to a wrestling thing with my friends. So 375 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.559 I went after the weekend and it was just a blast, 376 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:00.000 great time. 377 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:04.480 Did you go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? 378 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:05.319 Did not? 379 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:09.880 No, we did number one claim to Fame. 380 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:13.359 We thought about it. We thought about it on one 381 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:15.880 of those afternoons, but then we just watched Grub try 382 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:19.279 to set an nes speed run record on Mario one, 383 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:21.200 which is pretty much the same as the Rock and 384 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:22.200 Roll Hall of Fame, right. 385 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:24.440 Yeah, the Olympics of rock and Roll. 386 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.000 Yeah, we literally were like sitting around and we had 387 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.119 like several hours and it was like, should we go 388 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:31.240 to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Well, we 389 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:34.119 have time before SummerSlam and it is right next door. 390 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:36.079 But then we all just decided to sit around and 391 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:38.519 watch Grub blay Mario, which was nice. It was very nice. 392 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:40.119 It is hard to justify it. 393 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:43.640 Nobody did much better than I did. 394 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:46.599 No, I've been to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 395 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:49.880 So I'm frying Columbus, which isn't too far away, and 396 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:51.480 so we used to go to Cleveland for like a 397 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:54.359 couple of things. Not often though, because there's not really 398 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:57.640 a lot of good reasons to go to Cleveland, But 399 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:01.640 I went once for a film festival and I remember 400 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:05.240 doing rock and roll in Fame there. 401 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:07.200 Did you like it? 402 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:10.200 Yes, it was the coolest thing there. 403 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.759 I don't think I really was stoked about anything. But 404 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:18.759 I was also probably like fifteen and not very wise 405 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:19.880 to rock and roll then. 406 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:23.880 And my dad drove out there once just to go there, 407 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:26.200 like from Kansas, and spent like two whole days at 408 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:27.680 the Hall of Fame. Like he's the guy that like 409 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:30.799 reads every plaque and just like takes his damn time 410 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:32.640 at every museum. But he loved it. 411 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:34.880 It's a memorabilia place, right, So it's like if you 412 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.200 want to see the scarf or like the boa that 413 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:43.359 Jimmy Hendrix wore while he was at the Palooza, then 414 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:47.559 that's the place that you go. But you know, you 415 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:51.920 have to be really interested in artifacts from that era. 416 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:54.160 Lots of guitars, lots of say they have like a 417 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:57.799 hall of guitars, right, they do, and it does look nice. 418 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:00.559 I just don't think I had the aware at the 419 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:02.839 time that I went to a really appreciate it. 420 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:07.319 One thing I've learned is just boomer Cat nip argument 421 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:11.319 is they love it when hip hop acts get inducted 422 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:13.920 into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Right, yeah, 423 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:16.559 that is something a lot like. You know, I think 424 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:18.640 like EM and M's in there, Run DMC, and you know, 425 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:21.119 Doctor Dray and Snoop. I think I think they're in there. 426 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:24.640 But it's just I've seen many sixty plus year old 427 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:27.319 men talk about, well, you wouldn't put led Zeppelin in 428 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:29.680 the wrap Hall of Fame, and it's like they put 429 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:32.079 every classic rock band in. They're already. They need to 430 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:36.119 stay open and keep doing. What do you expect? You know, Yes, 431 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:37.480 they have a business to run. 432 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:40.880 I wonder if those people who got inducted in the 433 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:43.079 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame actually cared or wanted 434 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:45.079 to be because there's a hip hop It's in New York. 435 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:46.880 It's much smaller, but there's like a hip hop Hall 436 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:47.519 of Fame too. 437 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:51.400 Oh sure, yeah, I want to go back there because 438 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:52.920 I really did have a great time, and I would 439 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:54.240 go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame if 440 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:57.359 I went back. But honestly, I was super impressed by Cleveland. 441 00:20:57.400 --> 00:20:59.559 It was just very much it was a Midwest city, 442 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:03.880 and I've learned that I just between you know, Kansas City, Chicago, Minneapolis. 443 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:06.759 There's just a certain vibe to a Midwest city that 444 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:08.599 I like a lot. Like I don't like the rural 445 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:10.720 parts of the Midwest as much, but you know, a 446 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:13.799 mid sized Midwestern city is what I'm used to. 447 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:16.319 Well, you grew up in Kansas with like Kansas City 448 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:19.640 and like right sort of there, like aspiring to it 449 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:21.480 for a bit and then going to college and Lawrence 450 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:23.279 and like, I think Kansas City being there the whole time. 451 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:25.119 I think it's kind of that's how I felt about 452 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:27.880 Syracuse being five hours from New York City. We were 453 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:29.480 always kind of looking up to New York City. 454 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:33.680 So yeah, we just never it was we were always 455 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:35.640 just in the We were suburban as hell. It was 456 00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:38.400 Johnson County, Kansas. It was just like that's where all 457 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:41.799 the you know, suburban kids went to school basically. So yeah, 458 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:43.480 what until that extra life trip I did a couple 459 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:45.440 weeks ago where I was like actually staying downtown and 460 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:48.599 Kansas City has like come pretty far since I left 461 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.799 in nine But yeah, yeah, Midwest cities good stuff. 462 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:55.880 They're not bad. There's a whole bunch of them over there. 463 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:00.160 I don't think I have too many family left in Ohio. 464 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:02.720 But man, the next time you do a trip to 465 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:05.599 the ye old Ohio, I might come with you. I 466 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:07.680 like that kind of stuff. It's been a while since 467 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:11.279 I've been in. Yeah, I got some I got some 468 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.400 family still left in the Columbus area, which isn't really 469 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:15.359 that far away at all. 470 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:19.720 Nice. Yeah, I uh who was Somebody was telling me that, like, 471 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:22.720 oh yeah, in Cleveland, like the one big city in Ohio. 472 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:24.640 And I was like, well, there's Cleveland, there's Columbus. There's 473 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:26.680 a Cincinnati. Like I always thought of it as like 474 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.119 the three sea cities. We're the big ones. 475 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:30.960 That's right. 476 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:34.400 I think that's true, Big Columbus. I've heard good things 477 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:39.599 about people were like flocking there ten years ago before 478 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:41.559 like Denver became the new hotspot. I don't know what 479 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:43.599 it is now, but I know Columbus for a while 480 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:46.359 was attracting a lot of like young professionals. 481 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:49.480 I heard that too, because the I think the house 482 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:55.519 prices skyrocketed one one general span of years where they 483 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:57.240 were just like our houses that used to be like 484 00:22:57.279 --> 00:22:59.559 one hundred and twenty five k for like a really 485 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:01.480 decent house, or all of a sudden, like two hundred 486 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:04.599 and fifty three hundred K, and it changed the vibe 487 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:07.240 right because the same thing happened to Portland, which is like, 488 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:09.240 Portland is really rad. But one of the things that 489 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:11.519 made it so cool was that, you know, you could 490 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.480 sell turnups on the street and totally functionally afford a 491 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:17.200 house over here. And I just feel like that's so 492 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:20.000 much harder now with all the people who have moved 493 00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:23.559 here that have raised the median house price, and you 494 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:25.599 kind of lose your luster a little bit, You lose 495 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:27.920 that value add that people love about you so much 496 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:29.319 that it's weird and eclectic. 497 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:32.519 Yeah, I know that feeling, like when a city is 498 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:35.079 really cool and you almost wanted like, hey, don't tell anyone, like, 499 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:36.680 let's keep it this way. Let's you know, we don't 500 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:38.319 want a bunch of people moving in here and ruining it. 501 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:43.880 Nose Normy's ruining it. Shut up, tell them it sucks. Yeah, 502 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:44.960 you gotta find the secret. 503 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:49.720 Sucks it fucking it's the worst. I hate Hoboken's a shithole. 504 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:52.079 Minneapolis sucks too. 505 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:52.400 Yeah. 506 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.279 Yeah, yeah, Portland is Portland is dick. 507 00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:58.839 For dick city. What they should call it. 508 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:05.640 That is what they call were board Lynn. Yeah, but yeah, no, 509 00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:10.680 it's the Midwest. Is it's great? What else did I do? 510 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:12.359 I feel like I did a lot. So let's say 511 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:14.519 you I had barbecue, speaking of Kansas City, I had 512 00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:18.119 barbecue on Friday in Red Hook at Hometown Barbecue. 513 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:22.359 Oh yeah, yeah, that's where you yeah, the proposal right. 514 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:26.920 Yeah, the around No, I mean that's where the wedding was. 515 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:28.799 The proposal was on Cape Cod but yes, that's where 516 00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:30.079 I like one of our first days was. 517 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:31.920 Right, first date, That's what it was. Yeah, I remember 518 00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:33.319 referencing it in the speech. Yeah. 519 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:35.440 Yeah, and I for all times sake, it was our 520 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:38.160 it was our engage aversary, though we didn't really realize 521 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:40.160 until we were on our way over. So I did 522 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.640 the whole pretended to Bee. Frid was a phone bit class. 523 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:46.079 She still loved it just as much. Nice, but that 524 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:48.279 barbecue's good. If you're in New York and you're looking 525 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:51.279 for they've got those places in Midtown and flat Iron 526 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:53.079 like a hill country. 527 00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:54.920 I like that place was something. 528 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.720 Those are fine. I will say, if you're like from 529 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:04.599 the mid West, or you're from like the Carolinas or 530 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:08.079 Texas and you're looking for I'm not gonna claim it's 531 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.000 on par with any of those, but I mean it's 532 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:15.039 it's good. It's uh Billy Derney who also owns this 533 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:17.279 place called Red Hook Tavern, which I will say, hands 534 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:19.160 down is the best burger in all of New York, 535 00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:23.440 at least the places I've eaten burgers. So, I mean, 536 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:24.440 you know, great of salt. 537 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:27.279 I'm obviously partial to Kansas City barbecue, but like barbecue 538 00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:29.839 is kind of like pizza in that way where it's like, look, yeah, 539 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:31.559 it's going to be pizza. It's going to be good, 540 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:33.880 you know, barbecue saying, which pretty much anywhere is going 541 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:35.799 to be good, and like there's gonna be better options 542 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:37.880 if you want to get very particular, but like, ye, 543 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:38.920 it's gonna be good. 544 00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:41.039 We've got to go to hometown next time you're it 545 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:42.559 makes sense. It's kind of a trick to get to 546 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:44.720 Red Hook, as you guys know. But like, uh, I'm 547 00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:46.759 curious what you think of it, because it's good barbecue. 548 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:49.039 We like it a lot nice. I'm not picky. 549 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:52.640 Joe's is really good when you mess it that one time, 550 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:54.119 got a picky man. 551 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.000 I mean I don't think I don't look at you. Actually, 552 00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:58.720 I think you are very picky with your food. You're 553 00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:00.799 just not picky in terms of how high quality is. 554 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:02.240 You're picking what you won't eat. 555 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:04.640 That's fair, Okay. I guess I am picky and that like, 556 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:06.359 oh I don't want onions on this thing, or I 557 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:10.119 won't have mustard or pickles or whatever. But likes to. 558 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:14.160 Be forty dollar uh slab of meat or if it's 559 00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:16.599 a three point fifty slab of rib. 560 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:19.400 I think I'm kind of like the way Mike is 561 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.359 with like drinking, where it's like, yes, he likes very 562 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.000 fine wines and very nice liquors and stuff like that 563 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.599 and cocktails and stuff. But I've shotgunned but lights. With Mike, 564 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.759 you know, he's not going to turn his nose atgun exactly. Yes, yeah, 565 00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:33.440 so he's like he's not going to be snobby about it. 566 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:35.400 Like I feel like I'm the same way where it's like, look, 567 00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:37.440 we love going to something like oh James Beard Award 568 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:39.880 winning restaurant and getting like a super nice meal and stuff, 569 00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:41.559 and I can I feel like I can really appreciate it. 570 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:43.799 But also I can go to Arby's and I'm going 571 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:45.160 to really enjoy that meal, you know. 572 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:47.880 Yeah, yeah, speaking of kind of a sharp left turn. 573 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:49.880 But I taught you had a shotgun beer at a 574 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.279 Halloween party when I was interning a Game Informer. Yes, 575 00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:57.000 which unfortunately I don't know if people saw the news, 576 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:00.359 but game Stop finally pulled the plug, and know, it's 577 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.359 kind of wondering when it would happen, and still absolutely 578 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.400 sucks and a lot of super cool people lost their jobs. 579 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:09.039 But yeah, that's where I met you, Dan, I met 580 00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:10.799 Tim Turry and met a lot of future friends. I 581 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.000 literally have my current job because I met Matt Berts 582 00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:16.480 at Game of Former back when he yes managing editor 583 00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:18.359 there and I was a little twenty one year old. 584 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:20.759 So well, and look at everyone that was working there 585 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.519 when you were there as an intern, and they have 586 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:26.279 gone off to like pretty much everyone that was there 587 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.000 when you were there left prior to game Stuff shutting 588 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.920 it down and went out to Microsoft, went out to Sony, 589 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:33.880 went out to like a million different places. They are 590 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:37.960 all over, Yeah, they are all over the industry, and god, 591 00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:41.640 they really curated an incredible staff over the years. But 592 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:46.119 before my time during after Man, that place was really 593 00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:47.839 really fantastic. And yeah, Mike, you know you and I 594 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:50.480 have the personal history there, like without game informer. We 595 00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:52.680 don't meet. This podcast doesn't exist. I don't go to 596 00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:55.240 Giant Bomb, I don't meet Bianca. I don't you know. 597 00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.240 You know, Tim Terry was my best man at my wedding. 598 00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:00.359 You know, it's like like friendships at like the reason 599 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:02.680 I moved back here. We're friends like Ben Hansen that 600 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:06.519 you know, like it was. It was such a special place. 601 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:08.920 It is the entire reason I do what I do 602 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:10.799 and I've lived the life I live is because I 603 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:14.559 subscribed when I was nine years old, so everyone knew 604 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:16.720 this is how it ended, how it was going to end. 605 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.519 You know. It was run by game stop game stops 606 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:21.799 days remembered. I remember when I got hired in two 607 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:24.119 thousand and nine. I remember thinking, like picture in that 608 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:25.720 doomsday clock and being like, okay, we're a couple of 609 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.440 minutes to midnight here. Hopefully I can get my shit 610 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:29.920 in and get a resume, you know, enough time here 611 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.680 to actually you know, like brag about working here and 612 00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:35.160 get a job. And it lasted way longer than anyone 613 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:39.799 expected to. GameStop is still, in spite of itself, still around, 614 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:43.640 but as they are circling the drain and have been 615 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.920 for a long time they're taking cost cutting measures, and 616 00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:51.240 of course this shitty company that's always been shitty had 617 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:53.000 to do it in the most kind of petty and 618 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.759 needlessly cruel way, where it's just like, okay, no warning, 619 00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.000 you know, middle of making the next issue, let's just 620 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.000 pull everyone into a meeting, let's nuke the let's do 621 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.759 an AI written goodbye. Note that nobody on the staff 622 00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:09.480 signed off on let's nuke the website. So we've got 623 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:13.480 so many years, so many like thankfully, well, you know, 624 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.480 there are elements they haven't got too yet, but all 625 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.480 the articles and everything are gone up the internet. Now, Yeah, 626 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:23.079 nuke the Twitter account, locked the fucking doors to the office. 627 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:26.960 So all that game preservation and history that are there 628 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:28.880 that if anyone's ever seen videos of the vault and 629 00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:31.759 things like that, it's really the most incredible collection of 630 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:35.720 game history I've ever seen in my life. That is God. Note, 631 00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:37.960 I mean you can probably assume what GameStop is going 632 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:41.000 to do with it. And yeah, so I mean, look 633 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:42.759 that's the negative stuff. We've known this is going to 634 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:46.359 happen for a long time. But yeah, so many just 635 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:48.960 industry legends have come through there. And then the staff 636 00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:51.119 that we're still you know, still there at the end 637 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.839 and are now looking for jobs. You know, there's if 638 00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:57.000 you look at well, shit, no, they deleaded the Twitter ground. 639 00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:59.279 Look at look at Brian Shay's Twitter. Look at Kyle 640 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:01.839 Hilliards Twitter, Look at Alex Van Aikins. You know, there 641 00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:03.160 are a lot of people that have posted the mask 642 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.599 head of everyone, not just the writers and people that 643 00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:08.240 appeared on videos and podcasts, but also the layout people 644 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:10.519 you know Lelay and Margaret you know, people that worked 645 00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:12.839 there for many, many years that are now looking for jobs. 646 00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:14.640 Yeah. 647 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.480 It's man. I I I had a lot of thoughts 648 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:20.400 this weekend. You know, I was sitting in grubs basement 649 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.720 and I got a text from from someone that, uh, 650 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.960 former editor and let me know, and it was like, well, shit, 651 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:32.279 there it is. It happened, and yeah, yeah, I don't 652 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:36.319 know what else there is to say. It was kind 653 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:39.000 of that last bashion of the games media that I 654 00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:41.359 grew up with that made me want to go into 655 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.240 this line of work. You know, they were the last 656 00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:50.559 US magazine. They Yeah, and you know what I'm I 657 00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:52.640 was glad that I was there during the pivot to 658 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.279 you know, it was this old print media, you know, 659 00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:58.920 magazine that I was there, when you know, they start 660 00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:01.799 doing podcasts and streams and we got to do fun 661 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.799 stuff like like replay and you know Hanson and Tim 662 00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.960 doing the podcast and it's I feel like, despite being like, 663 00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:11.599 you know, a dinosaur, some might say this old brand 664 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.039 from nineteen ninety one, they stayed around and they stayed 665 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:16.480 relevant and like we were staying with the staff, like 666 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:18.920 you know, talk about some great names that have gone 667 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.079 on to do great things, and I'm confident that the 668 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:22.680 staff that were just laid off are all going to 669 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:23.799 go do great things as well. 670 00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:28.759 So yeah, yeah, yeah, they survive for so long. There 671 00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:31.640 are a lot of good sites that struggle to survive 672 00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.920 under good owners or at least like maybe not good owners, 673 00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:39.000 but like more benevolent than Game Stop, I think you 674 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:44.000 could argue. So it's absolutely just a testament to their 675 00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.640 flexibility and versatility over a game informer throughout many years. 676 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:50.200 Yeah. I don't envy the staff that I had to 677 00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.319 work there in recent years because when I was there 678 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.319 from nine to fourteen, the cool thing was we never 679 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.240 had to fucking talk to Game Stop at least, like 680 00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.960 you know McNamara, I think with like all of the 681 00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.839 communication with you know, Grapevine, Texas, and he kind of 682 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.279 shielded us from that, you know, we you know, GameStop 683 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:09.440 never got involved and told us to change review score, 684 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:11.440 said some edict about like, oh, we need to do 685 00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:13.799 a feature on this thing. We're trying to push. GameStop 686 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.200 never fucking talked to us on the ground. We wrote 687 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:18.079 whatever we wanted to, We made the magazine we wanted 688 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:20.839 to make, and he shielded us from that stuff. And 689 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.480 from my understanding, it's you know, in recent years, as 690 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:28.759 GameStop has kind of spiraled downward, they did get more 691 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:30.359 hands on in a bad way, and that's when he 692 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:32.519 started seeing like there were a couple of rounds of 693 00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:35.640 like rough layoffs, so you know, people getting laid off 694 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.119 when they're out of town on work trips and things 695 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:40.079 like that. It's happened a couple of times now. So yeah, 696 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.319 I don't envy having to work with with GameStop above them, 697 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:47.119 because they have always been dumb as fuck as a company, 698 00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:52.400 like just petty, shitty, dumb, bad company. But at least 699 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.440 when I was there, we didn't really have to see it, 700 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:56.519 you know, unless we walked into it. So like they 701 00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:58.680 made bad fuck like you know, when I was there, 702 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:00.599 it was obvious that downloading was going to be the 703 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.119 future and everything, and so they were flailing around. They're like, 704 00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:04.960 we're gonna open up all these simply max stores and 705 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:06.720 we're gonna do what we did with games where we 706 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.279 can buy and sell used iPhones and iPads, and that 707 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.279 didn't do shit. And then say, we bought, uh, we 708 00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:13.839 think flash games are the future. We uh, you know, 709 00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:16.480 we we bought Congregate. They're a flash game portal. We'll 710 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:21.079 publish Hollow Night. No that didn't. I'm sorry. Yes, even 711 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:22.279 in his game. 712 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.720 Stop or a game Informer Lament, he had to throw 713 00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:24.960 that in. 714 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:28.279 And even now that I like Hollow Night. Yeah, but no, 715 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.279 it's just they flailed. They they they published an Insomniac 716 00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:32.680 game at one point. I don't know if you remember 717 00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:33.079 Song of. 718 00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:34.680 The Deep remember that. 719 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.839 Yeah, they were clearly flailing. And then the fucking memes 720 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.799 talk ship shit happened, and clearly no one knew how 721 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:42.920 to turn that into anything of note that would help 722 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:46.039 the company. It just, if anything, got their name in 723 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:50.160 headlines for a little bit. But yeah, yeah, they they 724 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.000 never figured it out. They're not going to figure it out, 725 00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:54.039 like the company will stay on a death spiral and 726 00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.079 selling some shitty funko pops and they're you know, reduced 727 00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:58.759 amount of brick and mortar stores is not going to 728 00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.759 turn the tide. So you know, fuck them, but uh. 729 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.240 Sober, But I think, like there's so much to be 730 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:09.039 said for the impact they had on a whole generation 731 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:14.840 of gamers and how we're enjoying now and the content 732 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:19.000 that people like now is being created by the people 733 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:23.119 who grew up a Game Informer. And I think back to, 734 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:27.800 like tell God, like twelve years ago and I was 735 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:31.880 getting started. One of my very first meetings was at 736 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:34.719 a Game Informer, and I thought it was the greatest 737 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.719 opportunity of my career was to be in a Game 738 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.800 Informer and try and get coverage for one of the games. 739 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:43.920 I was doing PR four back in the day, and 740 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.800 just being in their hollowed walls was a huge deal, 741 00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:52.199 and how how honored I was and how much everybody 742 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.599 there cared about every article and everything that they made. 743 00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:58.800 It was made with blood, sweat and tears and just 744 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:03.400 an unbelievable amount of dedication and love. And yes, it 745 00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:05.039 is sad, and I do think a lot of those 746 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.760 people will be able to find jobs because they're hardworking people, 747 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.159 and I'm sure they will they will find something else. 748 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.559 But I think it's a dark day that we have 749 00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.239 a lot of money in games media. There's still a 750 00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:18.320 lot to be done when it comes to like people 751 00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:20.480 who want to watch this content, they want to enjoy it, 752 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.440 but a publication like that doesn't have its place anymore. 753 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:25.760 So it's just a time and a place. And I 754 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.639 think that's sad. But we will basically be the children 755 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:31.199 of that content for a long time. 756 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:34.559 Yeah, And how long have we talked about how how 757 00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:36.599 much games media has changed with all the layoffs and 758 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:38.440 stuff in the last five ten years. And you know, 759 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:39.840 I used to always, you know, say like, oh, okay, 760 00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:41.400 how many places can you actually make a full time 761 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.679 living doing games media, you know, like outside of the 762 00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:47.000 Patreon and individual streamer route. And I used to always say, Okay, 763 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.840 there's yg in, there's GameSpot, there's a game Informat, there's Polygon, 764 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:51.679 there's Katako, you know, and like now it's just less 765 00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.679 and less every day, it seems, you know. And you know, 766 00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.480 now there's just a few behemoths, and then there's some places, 767 00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.320 you know, just trying to to scrape on by and 768 00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.599 then everything else has kind of gone the Patreon, you know, 769 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.360 individual streamer route and everything, and you know game and 770 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:11.440 Former being the oldest of the old guard. Uh, just 771 00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.920 the most like legendary name in that space. Yeah, it's 772 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.760 it's it's uh yeah, it's going to be a huge, 773 00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:20.280 huge void left behind. For sure. 774 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:24.679 I deserved it. There's sometimes like I'm just so they 775 00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.199 deserve to be here. They deserved to have that spot 776 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:30.559 just because of the legacy, right, It's just like just 777 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.079 leave them alone. Let them quietly have their little magazine 778 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:37.960 that people don't read anymore, and enjoy their life because 779 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.039 they've earned it. It's kind of like when you're like 780 00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.480 retired and you're like you don't want to do anything 781 00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:44.880 in your grumpy all the time, and they're like, whatever, 782 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.199 he's earned it, leave them alone. That's how I feel 783 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:47.599 about gaming. 784 00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:49.239 Do whatever he wants. Yeah, they can do it. 785 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:51.119 He can do whatever he wants. You leave you leave 786 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:57.480 him alone. Whereas like there's Giant Corpse now making massive 787 00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.639 purchases and pivots. That's suck and are fucking people over 788 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:04.920 Like well, I know we don't usually talk about the news, 789 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.199 but if we're talking about this, like Zif Davis buying 790 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.599 Humble Games and then just shuddering. It is such horseshit. 791 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:14.239 And several. 792 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:18.639 A bunch of people a few months ago, and yeah, yeah, 793 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:20.239 a handful. 794 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:27.119 Do They made extremely successful games. Unpacking is a very 795 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.599 successful game. Most people know what Unpacking is because it 796 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.039 was so popular, and you still fumbled it and you 797 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.599 still shuddered it without anything for any of these people, 798 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.960 this game publisher that you purchased, even though you work 799 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.239 in media. Who was there for the purchase, Who was 800 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.719 there for the fumbling of the actual business, Who was 801 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:49.599 there for shuttering it and leaving all these people for nothing? 802 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:55.159 It's just such it's just such bad decision that impacted 803 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.920 so many good people's lives, not to mention all the 804 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.519 incredible games that should have been coming out well that 805 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.320 are now like a drift and we don't know all 806 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:04.800 happened to them. Fucking zif. 807 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:05.880 Yeah. 808 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.679 And I mean you look at LinkedIn these days, if 809 00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:12.199 you're in the games industry, and every post is a 810 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:14.480 I just lost my job, bungee, I just lost my 811 00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.159 job from Humble Games. I just like like every like. 812 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.880 I have two decades of experience, I have shipped fourteen titles. 813 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:23.960 And I applied for ten places in the last week 814 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.079 and haven't heard back from many of them. And yeah, yeah, 815 00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:27.920 it's fucking rough. 816 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.360 The talent that we will lose from this type of 817 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:35.559 situation is what should really scare everybody, because we all 818 00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.840 have the same north star, which is we love playing 819 00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:44.199 good games. And when you do not have consistent roles 820 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:47.679 for people where they can provide for their families and 821 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.760 grow in this industry, they will leave. They will go 822 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.440 and work for the Chase Banks or wherever it is 823 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.320 that doesn't lay them off every two fucking years after 824 00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:59.519 they work extremely hard to complete a project, and we 825 00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.519 will lose whose talent that make the games that we 826 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.559 hold so dear and so like, in five to ten 827 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.280 years we're playing some fucking garbage, cookie cutter game that 828 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:12.079 Triple A is just pissed out. Again. We can all 829 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.960 remember there was lots of opportunities for indies. This year, 830 00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.639 we're playing indie after indy, but we keep like shuttering 831 00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:22.320 these studios and harming really talented people. 832 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.960 Yeah, it's a bad landscape right now. It's it really 833 00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:30.039 is rough. I mean, I guess all we can do 834 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.239 is celebrate the work of those that have been shut down, 835 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:35.559 and I guess more in the projects in future, things 836 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:36.719 that are that are not going to see the light 837 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.119 of day, And I don't know how long that's sustainable, 838 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:40.400 you know. 839 00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:45.000 I remember my first Gisu it was Champions of the 840 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.400 Norath Realms of EverQuest. Not a good game, and. 841 00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:53.360 I've got almost the full run out there. Is that 842 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:54.800 like an three issue or something. 843 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.880 Yeah, it was still like long before the redesign. Oh yeah, 844 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.679 it was still school like so much text on the cover, 845 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:03.599 half naked elf woman. 846 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.079 Uh, never forget, I didn't. 847 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.320 I mean I kept the magazine in my nightstand for 848 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.880 years and years because I loved reading about Champions the Norath. 849 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.360 That's the only reason why. But yeah, it was it 850 00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:20.519 was fun. I And that was like it was so 851 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:25.039 weird too because from the time I like, it dawned 852 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.960 on me. Oh right, I've been reading these people for 853 00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.480 nine years, some of these people, and it's only just 854 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.000 now occurring to me that like they do this for 855 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.519 a living, Like I guess I could try to do that. 856 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.000 That's that was my weird Like it was twenty eleven, 857 00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:48.280 I remember, and I was like Arkham City was about 858 00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:50.440 to come out, and I asked just on a whim. 859 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:53.000 I asked the local like free newspaper, not the school 860 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:55.719 newspaper or the actual like paid newspaper. It was the 861 00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:58.280 Arkansas Free Weekly. I was like, hey, could I write? 862 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:00.440 Do you need anybody to write a review? They're like, sure, 863 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.400 we'll give you fifty bucks, which in college, like writing 864 00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.320 a video game review after when I had already played anyway, 865 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:08.960 was crazy, So I was like sure. And then of 866 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:12.760 course I modeled how I spoke about games, on how 867 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.679 Dan Riiker had been talking about games, Tim Urry had 868 00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:18.400 been talking about games, you know, the people that at 869 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:20.679 game Form I had been reading. And then from there 870 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:25.559 I was just hooked. I was like, well, I guess 871 00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:27.760 I could transfer over to the journalism side of school. 872 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.320 It's not gonna it's not gonna hurt. And then you know, 873 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.840 got the internship and then from there now here we 874 00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:36.639 find ourselves and I'm on a I'm on the podcast 875 00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:38.519 with like two people I have always admired. So it's 876 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:42.800 it's it sucks, and it's like, yeah, everything's gonna evolve 877 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:46.239 and change. Like mainstream news is also not doing all 878 00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.639 that well in terms of like print and magazines. 879 00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:53.519 Of prime time via the Hurst Entertainment everywhere has been 880 00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:56.840 fucked since the Internet started. Basically they still haven't figured 881 00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:57.320 it out. 882 00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.519 Even people, but the people that are, you know, like 883 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:03.119 working for that Internet machine or this is not every place. 884 00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:04.599 And I've worked to some great places that are doing 885 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:05.280 some awesome stuff. 886 00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:05.559 You know. 887 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.199 I love Polygon, I love game Spot, but it's still 888 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:11.400 just like it's crazy to think, you know, back in 889 00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:13.719 the day getting that physical magazine. Game Former is still 890 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:15.880 like the one I'm nostalgic for, so it is. It's 891 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:18.320 crazy it's gone. And I watched so much fucking replay. 892 00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:21.159 I didn't listen to podcast as much, but I watched 893 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:22.920 a lot of replay and that was like a weekly 894 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:23.800 ritual for me. 895 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:26.159 I mean, that was one hundred percent where I cut 896 00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:28.280 my teeth as far as like being a personality and 897 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.480 doing videos and playing games while talking to a microphone 898 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.159 like that. That was incredible for me. You talked about 899 00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:35.880 when you first realized you could do it for a job, 900 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.320 and that's one hundred percent my how I based my 901 00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:40.360 entire life was I was nine and I wanted to 902 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:42.480 know the fatalities in Mortal Kombat. So I went in 903 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.360 tech cameras, funkle Land or video like it must have 904 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.119 been funk Land because it was exclusive to there, And 905 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:48.000 I saw they had Mortal Kombat on the cover and 906 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.880 I just got the Genesis one and it said like, oh, 907 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.000 you know, fatalities codes or whatever, and so I bought it, 908 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:54.440 opened up and like they had the about the editors 909 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:56.880 section at the beginning, and you know, so it's like, oh, 910 00:42:56.920 --> 00:43:00.400 here's Andy mcmara, Here's Andy Reiner, and just with their pictures. 911 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:04.039 So it's like, yeah, the Raging Gamer and yeah, the 912 00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.719 game Mombrade and stuff, neighborhood right, the game Dandy, Yeah, 913 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.800 all that stuff. Yeah, And I'm just looking at these 914 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:11.639 pictures of these dudes. I'm like, these are adults, and 915 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.599 like this is theirs, their job. They're they're talking about 916 00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:16.800 Mortal Kombat, Like, are you fucking kidding me? So like 917 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.079 at nine, I had that like, well, okay, I just 918 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.280 need to move my entire life in this direction. So 919 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.440 like it's so weird talking about like a brand, a 920 00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.199 company or whatever as being such a like important part 921 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.320 of someone's life. But like literally, from the age of nine, 922 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.039 Game Informer was like the biggest fucking thing, the biggest 923 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.440 through line in my entire life. From like shooting that 924 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.400 commercial for them when I was eighteen and meeting those 925 00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:40.360 guys for the first time. The first issue I'm in 926 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:42.920 is the Jade Empire issue. There's a picture in GI 927 00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:45.639 Spy of somebody in a shark suit playing Aquaman for 928 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:48.719 the Xbox. That was me at eighteen, shooting that commercial 929 00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:50.280 up there, and I put on a shark suit that 930 00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:52.079 I bought from all of America and I played Aquaman 931 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.960 for the bit. And then years and years later, after 932 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.000 bugging Andy at e three, all those years, you know, 933 00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.360 he takes a chance on men O nine worked there 934 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:01.400 and like so that's it's crazy. Like I talked to Andy. 935 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.360 I had a great I caught up with him at 936 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:05.639 Summer Games Fest and in the right before I moved 937 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:07.559 to Minnesota, I had like a forty five minute conversation 938 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:09.199 with him about bikes because I wanted to get into 939 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:11.400 biking around Minnesota. This is the guy that at nine 940 00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:13.920 years old, I saw his picture in a magazine and 941 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.039 I thought, I want to do that. And here I 942 00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:19.559 am thirty years over, thirty years later, and we're just 943 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:21.960 you know, I moved to Minnesota because of his magazine. 944 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:23.639 Now I'm talking about bikes and hanging out with him 945 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:25.599 Summer Games Fest, and it's just like, man, what a 946 00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:28.440 fuck just opening that magazine, that tiny little thing in 947 00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:31.480 nineteen I guess it was nineteen ninety three or nineteen 948 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.719 ninety four. It started in nineteen ninety one, but anyway, Yeah, 949 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.199 it's had more of an impact in my life than 950 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:39.920 pretty much anything you know. 951 00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:42.719 I started in nineteen ninety one as well. The magazine 952 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.719 was as old as me. And I told you this 953 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:49.000 story really quick before we move on. But have I 954 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:51.800 told you where I was when I heard that I 955 00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:55.000 got the internship I applied for. I applied for the first, 956 00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.880 very first internship because that coincided. It could not have 957 00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:03.599 been more perfect, like uh, serendipitous timing. I decided I 958 00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:05.400 kind of wanted to do this, and then I wrote 959 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:08.400 an Arkham City review, and then the next day Game 960 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:11.239 Informer on the website said hey, we're doing an internship program. 961 00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.360 I was like, what the fuck? So I or I 962 00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:16.360 wasn't the next day, I'm exagger I was like several 963 00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:18.639 months later, but right around when I decided, I was like, 964 00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:20.960 I'm gonna apply for the summer one. I didn't get it. 965 00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:23.519 Matt Miller did respond saying, hey, I like your stuff. 966 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:26.480 Keep applying. You know, I think local people got hired 967 00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:28.480 for that one, and you know they they moved in 968 00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:32.840 and then they started to expand it farther because people 969 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.039 were willing to. This was an unpaid internship, mind you, 970 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:40.199 Oh yeah they were. And uh, ironically, do you know 971 00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:42.440 where I was when I heard that I got the 972 00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:46.079 internship to Game Informer where it was inside a game stop, 973 00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:51.679 like I got. Matt Miller called me and asked me 974 00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.079 if I wanted to come. I was like in Syracuse, 975 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:57.960 New York, or I was back on summer vacation from 976 00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:01.039 University of Arkansas. I was like yeah, and then it's 977 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:02.599 like I'm not gonna make any money. I'm gonna somehow 978 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.519 move to Minneapolis for three and a half months. And 979 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.400 then I remember walking up to the counter like beaming, 980 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:10.920 and I forgot what used game I bought. Because I 981 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:12.480 got a game, I was like I got to commemorate it. 982 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.920 And oddly enough, I don't remember the game, but I 983 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.199 remember the guy who always worked there and he's like, 984 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:18.559 what are you so happy about? And I was like, 985 00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:21.280 I just got an internship at Game Reformer. So he 986 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.639 was like he was so fucking happy for me because 987 00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:24.760 I used to go in there all the time. 988 00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:25.840 Oh man, that's all. 989 00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.440 Yeah, well, really have such a dream. You're like the 990 00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:30.039 luckiest kid in the world. 991 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:32.800 Oh it's a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. It's the 992 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:36.599 Golden ticket. Yeah, it's you were there during the office days, 993 00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.039 you know, obviously way pre COVID and everything. That office 994 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:43.119 was fucking incredible, which reminds me as of today that 995 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.320 we're recording Ben Hansen over at Minmax just put up 996 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.119 a video where it's just a ton of footage from 997 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.960 the old office, but it's also earlier this year. We 998 00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:55.440 all kind of knew this was coming at some point, 999 00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:59.000 and so Hanson kind of organized a thing where him 1000 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.039 me Alex been making and Leo Vader went to the 1001 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.320 current office that no one's actually worked at. It's basically 1002 00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.880 just like a storage facility for like all the old 1003 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.920 statues and games and stuff like that, which you know 1004 00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:13.079 that's again going to go to wherever the fuck game 1005 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.280 Stop wants it to go to. But it's just this 1006 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:18.000 really cool walk down memory lane of all these things 1007 00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:20.360 interspersed with a bunch of old footage from the office 1008 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.079 and Hanson, God bless him and doing incredible work. Again, 1009 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:26.079 he's going to do like I don't know if he 1010 00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:28.480 said a month or he's basically doing a giant celebration 1011 00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:31.880 of Game Informer's history. I mean, min max was founded 1012 00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:34.840 after that first big round of layoffs a Game Informer, 1013 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.920 and so now you know, like tonight was the first step, 1014 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:39.920 first video he put up. But I know he's planning 1015 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.880 a bunch of stuff to kind of memorialize Game Informers. 1016 00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:44.519 So I know I talk about Hanson a lot and 1017 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:46.519 min Max and all the great work he's doing over there, 1018 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:48.679 But if you have any interest in this type of 1019 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:50.800 thing we're talking about, Hanson is going to put together 1020 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.159 a bunch of great stuff with a bunch of those alumni, 1021 00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:57.039 myself included. So definitely check out what he's doing at 1022 00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:57.440 min Max. 1023 00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:02.480 Yeah, for sure. And Hanson, you know, is a friend 1024 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.440 of fire Escape. It comes on the show, I'm sure 1025 00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.679 you know it won't be too long before he's submon 1026 00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:07.320 in for somebody. 1027 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.800 Yep, yep, Mary, when did you go there? I'm wondering 1028 00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:12.519 if I if there's any chance I was there. 1029 00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:14.920 I might have an email hold on Oh wow, is 1030 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.639 that game for Australia. 1031 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:21.960 Let's see all right, because yeah, we did have a 1032 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:24.800 game in Former Australia. It was like virtually identical, but 1033 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:26.920 they would like replace the Madden spread with like a 1034 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:28.000 soccer thing. 1035 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:33.400 I think I was there twenty twelve. 1036 00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:35.960 I would have been there in Minneapolis. 1037 00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:42.519 I wonder. I don't think you were there. 1038 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:47.400 I was working there in twenty twelve. What game was it? 1039 00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:48.920 Uh? 1040 00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.000 It was Sorry, I'm like looking for the email again. 1041 00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:55.639 Was it from mac namara? 1042 00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.599 No, this was back when I worked at Zoo Games. 1043 00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:05.159 Remember the badso the Bad publisher. Oh sure, And we 1044 00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:06.679 had a couple of indie games that we were trying 1045 00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:07.440 to get coverage for. 1046 00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:08.559 Huh. 1047 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.039 I don't think we didn't get anything, but we were trying, 1048 00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:12.559 you know what I mean. Like we were like knocking 1049 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.079 on doors and being like, yeah, I like this, and 1050 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.159 then people were like, no, we don't want to read 1051 00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:22.599 about Eminem's racing. So maybe you were like the one 1052 00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:23.559 who like didn't let me in. 1053 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.360 Probably yeah, I was the one who vetoed everything. Yeah. 1054 00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:28.760 Yeah, you were like these games are bad and she 1055 00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:30.800 sucks and she can't come back here. 1056 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:30.920 No. 1057 00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:32.360 I would have been like I like M and MS 1058 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:36.199 I love branding, right, and I love cart racing. Yeah, yeah, 1059 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:36.960 it's cool. 1060 00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.760 Essentially with a crap I was peddling back then. But yeah, 1061 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:42.440 I have like I have like a couple of emails 1062 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:47.440 from that era from like various people that I tried 1063 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:50.400 to keep in touch for it with. Yeah, just like 1064 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.480 a yeah, I'm like reading one about the Yeah, the 1065 00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:59.599 Dust Force, a Game Informer has expressed interest twenty thirteen. 1066 00:49:59.760 --> 00:49:59.920 Yeah. 1067 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:04.360 Yeah, I left in twenty fourteen, so oh my god. Weird. 1068 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:06.840 We might have been in the same circles. But yeah, 1069 00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:08.679 I don't remember meeting you. I feel like I would 1070 00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:09.280 have remembered that. 1071 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:11.320 Sure, I think I met you, and yeah, when I 1072 00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:12.599 went to CBS. 1073 00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.599 But I mean I was a kind of a I 1074 00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:17.719 think what's important to remember is like during that time 1075 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:20.719 as well, I was a pr person, so my name 1076 00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:24.320 had no weight or value. I was like, I am 1077 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:27.159 here with a developer and I would love for you 1078 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:29.639 to talk to them about their video game, and so 1079 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:34.400 I was just getting things to you, so nobody really 1080 00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:35.000 knew who I was. 1081 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:36.639 That was kind of how it always went because it 1082 00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.199 was like, you know, Minneapolis is where Targeting Best Buy 1083 00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:41.920 are located, so it was always companies when like they 1084 00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:44.199 would bring in some developers, or they would have people 1085 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.400 from the publisher doing their rounds at like Target and 1086 00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:48.119 Best Buy to figure out like how many units they 1087 00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:50.719 would buy or whatever, and then they would stop by 1088 00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:52.840 Game Informer to show off the game. It would always 1089 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.480 be like one pr person, be like two developers, be 1090 00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:57.519 like the creative director and someone else, or they'd be 1091 00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.159 like vuying for a cover or something. It's like the 1092 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:02.719 story about when Randy Pitchford made me and mcmahra play 1093 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:04.840 through all of Duke Nukem Forever in a hotel room 1094 00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:06.760 once you know that's yeah, I'm trying to get the 1095 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.639 cover for that, you know. So yeah, they would always 1096 00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:12.239 swing by and basically make their pitch, and Andy would 1097 00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:14.480 be the you know, the American Idol judge or whatever. 1098 00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:18.559 So yeah, stressful, Yeah, I feel like those are really 1099 00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:22.880 wild times. Something that similar to your guys' big break 1100 00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:27.119 was my ability to go on this journey to go 1101 00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:29.079 to a couple places and pitch these games. And I 1102 00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:32.159 went to San Francisco as well to like pitch them 1103 00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:35.920 to IGN and game Spot, and I met people at 1104 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:40.679 game Spot as this agency, and I was like, yes, 1105 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.079 I really do love games, Like, let's keep in touch, 1106 00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:45.880 here's my card. Later on we keep in touch. In 1107 00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:48.679 years later, they're like, hey, we have a contractor position 1108 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.440 possible at E three and I was like, I will 1109 00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:54.800 drop everything for this, and I did. But I met 1110 00:51:54.840 --> 00:52:00.239 them like four years earlier doing that pr run, So yeah, 1111 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:01.800 I was like all connected. It's just likeok, a long 1112 00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:03.840 time for me to like get my foot in the door. 1113 00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.679 Yeah, And it's just incredible, Like you know these places 1114 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.440 that they just seems like, okay, first job in the 1115 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.480 industry whatever. Then you think about just the sliding doors. 1116 00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:16.519 Why life is where? Oh, because I got this job 1117 00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:18.079 that was just oh you know, I was twenty three, 1118 00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:20.079 twenty four or whatever, got this job, and oh I 1119 00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:21.920 met this person, I met this person. I met this person, 1120 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:24.639 and you just look at all the different ways that oh, 1121 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.480 just my first job or whatever just affects your entire 1122 00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:32.159 life and social circle and career. It's a yeah. And 1123 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:35.039 to me and then so many others, Game Informer was 1124 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:36.880 just the absolute biggest. 1125 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:41.360 So I got my job at game Spot in in 1126 00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:45.639 part because the person who recommended me was dating someone 1127 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:50.280 I met at the internship. Oh wow, it is just 1128 00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:53.599 another weird roundabout like yeah, whatever. 1129 00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:54.000 Gets you there. 1130 00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:57.239 I'll never forget. When I got the job offer. I 1131 00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.880 was working at the Garmin GPS tech support place in Kansas, 1132 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:05.239 just call center, you know, and they were so look, 1133 00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.760 I love Game Informer. Game in Former never paid shit 1134 00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:09.440 while I was there or before. I don't know what 1135 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:11.800 they're like more recently. But I was making thirty k 1136 00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:14.320 year at the call center. I was a college graduate, 1137 00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.679 and Game Informer offered me the job, and they did 1138 00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:21.519 tell me like, hey, heads up, it doesn't pay that much. 1139 00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:23.440 And again it's not like I don't put that on 1140 00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:25.679 the heads of Game Informer. I put that on Game Stop, 1141 00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:28.199 you know. And so it was like a one thousand 1142 00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.880 dollars a year pay cut. And I'm recalling my dad 1143 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:32.719 so excited about, like, oh my god, I got my 1144 00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:34.280 dream job. This is it, this is it. I got 1145 00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:36.639 the offer. How much to pay? It was twenty nine 1146 00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.199 and how much McK now thirty. Well, again, don't don't 1147 00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:45.440 ever take a pay cut, And Dad, I understand that 1148 00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:48.679 in theory, but this is a very extreme circumstance for me. 1149 00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:51.960 It's literally my dream job I will take. I would 1150 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.360 pay a thousand dollars a year to go work my 1151 00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.360 dream job and fucking review a portal two instead of 1152 00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.119 help this old lady acquire sat lights on her Newvie device. 1153 00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:05.320 You know. Yeah. Plus at that point, I correct me 1154 00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.480 if I'm wrong, But did you think you'd ever even 1155 00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:10.119 like at that point, You're like, all right, this, I'm 1156 00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:11.199 going to be a game form of the rest of 1157 00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:12.519 my life. I'm going to try to be eic and 1158 00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:14.760 I'm not gonna You're not thinking about like that as 1159 00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:15.519 a stepping. 1160 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:18.239 Stone, No, absolutely not. I literally when I walked in there, 1161 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:20.679 I remember thinking like, I want to take over this place. 1162 00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:22.639 I want to become editor in chief. I want this 1163 00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.159 to be my life's you know, I want this to 1164 00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:27.480 be the rest of my life. And I realized pretty 1165 00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:29.559 quick I got there, and like a few months in, 1166 00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.559 I remember going to Andy McNamara's fortieth birthday party and 1167 00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.000 thinking like, hang on, he's not really that. I don't 1168 00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:36.239 know he's retiring any times. 1169 00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.320 Yeah, it's not like the president is seventy one. 1170 00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:42.360 It's not like eighty year old dude. 1171 00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:46.320 I was like, I gotta get this old guy out 1172 00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:48.320 of here. It's time for some new blood. 1173 00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:50.480 He did leave, I would just have to wait a 1174 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.079 little bit longer. But yes, I did go in there 1175 00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:55.679 thinking like, yes, I want this to be And no 1176 00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:57.440 way did I see it as like the stepping stone 1177 00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:59.719 type thing. It's like I'm moving. I fucking love the city, 1178 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:03.800 loved everyone I worked with, I loved the work itself. Yeah, 1179 00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:05.760 I would have stay there forever if it had continued 1180 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.599 to be a viable business, you know. Yeah, And even 1181 00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:10.599 like when I left in twenty fourteen, and it's like 1182 00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:13.840 I didn't know, Like obviously I loved Giant Bomb and everything, 1183 00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.960 but I had never listened to or read Giant Bomb. 1184 00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:18.760 It wasn't like Game and Form, where I spent my 1185 00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:21.559 whole life revereing this brand and everything. It was just 1186 00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:23.440 i'd gotten to know the Giant Bomb guys. I liked 1187 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:25.480 those guys, and it seemed like they were more equipped 1188 00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.000 for kind of the future of games media where it's like, okay, 1189 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.039 they're really big on podcasts and streaming and stuff like that. 1190 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:32.840 I have more faith in that being a way forward 1191 00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:35.239 than as much as I fucking loved this brand and everything, 1192 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.039 I had no faith in Game Stop even back then, 1193 00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:40.760 and I thought at some point the House of Cards 1194 00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:42.920 was going to fall down I didn't know would last 1195 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.440 this long. But but yeah, that's the only reason I left. 1196 00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:47.679 It's just because I thought the reality of the business 1197 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.719 was like not going to go in their favor, which yeah, 1198 00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.280 and to know detrimental, Like you know, they continued doing 1199 00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:56.880 great work until the very end, and it was it was. 1200 00:55:57.000 --> 00:55:59.199 It went down for the exact reasons everybody could have expected. 1201 00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:02.960 Yeah, everybody listening, When you get the chance, pour one 1202 00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.360 out for Game Performer and say something good about them 1203 00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:12.280 on social media, et cetera, we will remember them for 1204 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.679 a long time. And I have all my issues here 1205 00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:16.760 in the closet as well. It's my bust those out soon. 1206 00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:18.480 And yep, I got almost a full run out there. 1207 00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.800 Yeah, Godspeed Game Informer, you were a good one. 1208 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.079 We appreciate you, all. 1209 00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:29.400 Right, Do you guys want to talk about happy Yeah? Sure, 1210 00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:32.039 Dan and Mary. You know how hard it is to 1211 00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:33.320 get me to shut up about wine. 1212 00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:37.679 Oh you will not shut up about wine, that's true. 1213 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.480 Well, guess what firstly is here to help me out 1214 00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:44.119 even more Because it's getting toward the end of summer, 1215 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.599 it's still super hot. 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Thank goodness you're here. 1238 00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:48.480 Ah, let's hear it. 1239 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:52.599 I agree, it's very funny. Yeah, I think that it's 1240 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:56.840 paced well. I beat it in like a sitting on 1241 00:57:56.920 --> 00:58:02.360 a Saturday morning, which is great. I there was a 1242 00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:08.960 few times I dan the sexual on double Entendre is everywhere. 1243 00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:13.719 Look, okay, I'm willing to wave the flag that. Uh, 1244 00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.400 it's probably that I've forgot them versus because like every 1245 00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:19.719 time somebody brings something up, like what about the hot 1246 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.000 dog hole, it's like, oh right, yeah, ro what about 1247 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.679 the milk part? It's like, all right, yeah, it's I. 1248 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:27.440 Think you also skipped over a very important facet of 1249 00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:29.599 this game, which is that Matt Barry is a voice 1250 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:31.440 actor in it. I don't like know who that is 1251 00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:35.000 from the IT crowd what we do in the Shadows. 1252 00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:39.239 He's last Cravensworth, he's the guy, he's the gardener. And 1253 00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:41.559 when you first meet him, he's got his back to 1254 00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:44.679 the camera and he's just like doing something furiously to 1255 00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:45.239 his crotch. 1256 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:46.800 Oh that I did not notice at all. 1257 00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:48.719 And then he turns around and he's trying to fix 1258 00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:51.920 a hose and he's like, oh hi, and it's just classic. 1259 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:54.639 Matt Berry is like something that clogged up the works. 1260 00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:56.599 See if you can get down there and squeeze something 1261 00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:59.440 out and then he puts it back in his pocket, 1262 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:02.599 and then you go under the tunnels and down the 1263 00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:04.480 well in the w's. 1264 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.960 Your little lemon head. I love how like last episode, 1265 00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:10.199 Dan was like, oh, I didn't even think about that. 1266 00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:13.639 It was a little sexual and it's just like there's 1267 00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:15.880 something clogging up the pipe, so why don't she get 1268 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:17.639 in there and see if you can squeeze it. 1269 00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:18.400 Out for me? 1270 00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:20.400 Let me just do you know what I mean? 1271 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:23.400 And Dan saw this is a nice little game for 1272 00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:24.079 the children. 1273 00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.400 It's to show you the depths of how much things 1274 00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:31.320 go over my head. Literally an hour before we started recording, 1275 00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:33.960 I was making a microwave meal and I had a 1276 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.840 plastic film over the top and I've had I've been 1277 00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:38.559 bit enough times where I go to grab it and 1278 00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:41.480 the steam burns my hands, and so I put a 1279 00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:44.559 fork in there to let the like lift the lid 1280 00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.280 and let some steam out. And as I was doing that, 1281 00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.880 literally a couple hours ago, I thought, oh, let off 1282 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:54.039 some steam. Like I only knew it as the like 1283 00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:56.599 metaphor version, never as the like there would be a 1284 00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.320 real thing behind it, like, Oh, it's based on letting 1285 00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:01.800 steam out of something too, Like I just knew it 1286 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:03.679 was like, oh, chill out, let off some steam. I 1287 01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:05.880 never thought about the actual steam related thing. Does that 1288 01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:06.360 make sense? 1289 01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:08.599 Yes, but I think blow off and steam is from 1290 01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:11.559 like coal engines, not microwave dinners. 1291 01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:14.480 Well, just I'm generally getting the steam out of something 1292 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:15.320 in general. 1293 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:16.800 Right, Yeah, it's pent up energy. 1294 01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:19.000 Yeah, yeah, I never thought about there would be a 1295 01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:20.760 literal connotation to it. I thought it was just like 1296 01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:23.800 a saying or something in Commando. Yeah, did you think. 1297 01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:26.159 When somebody said they had to drain the lizard that 1298 01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:28.599 they were going into the bathroom and a lizard and 1299 01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:29.440 hurting it. 1300 01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:34.440 No, I know that's a peepe thing. I get some 1301 01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:36.400 of it. I think that's just a lot of them 1302 01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:38.440 can fly over my head very easily. The one with 1303 01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:40.639 the hose and the whack and off that did not 1304 01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:43.599 some of them. I forgot that one. I definitely didn't 1305 01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:45.000 even register at all when I played it. 1306 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:52.400 But it's still it's super fun. I found myself getting 1307 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:54.760 so caught up in the jokes that I often forgot 1308 01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.159 what my objective was supposed to be. Yeah, that's not 1309 01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:59.320 like it's not like an open world where you're going 1310 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:01.119 left and right. But there's definitely the kind of that 1311 01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:04.639 item trading sequence vibe to most of the game. It's like, 1312 01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:09.480 all right, I gotta go unclog the the pipes or 1313 01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:12.960 the the what the hell's the word? Uh, what the 1314 01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:15.719 hell's the word? I'd worked in restaurants. It's the line, 1315 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:18.280 the lines. I gotta go unclog the lines so the 1316 01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:22.119 bartender can pour a beer for the alcoholic locksmith, so 1317 01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:23.960 he can go open the shop, so I can get 1318 01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:26.360 butter to let this person out of the sewer grate. 1319 01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:30.280 And other times I got so caught up laughing hard 1320 01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:33.639 that I forgot what they told me, And the game 1321 01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:35.599 doesn't if you go talk to that character and they 1322 01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:37.440 don't really repeat what you're supposed to be doing. They 1323 01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:41.239 just say something like, gogeous day out, isn't it, Chap, 1324 01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:44.280 don't forget to like buston up if you go out? 1325 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:47.199 Yeah, And there's no quest log. There's like absolutely no 1326 01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:50.719 like UI or anything. But luckily, like all these spaces 1327 01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:53.519 are pretty small, and so you just got to walk 1328 01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:55.760 around and slap things for a while and you'll figure 1329 01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:58.199 out where you need to go and more often lap 1330 01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:00.679 a couple more things, just slap things. You'll see funny 1331 01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:02.480 stuff if you've been on your way to getting the thing. 1332 01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:06.599 So yeah, those faces in this game are just funny 1333 01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:08.599 on their own. I remember one of the earliest things 1334 01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:10.960 they panned to you're the protagonists, and it's just. 1335 01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:15.400 Yeah, and sometimes it takes up the whole screen. It's 1336 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:18.440 just kind of timing on so much stuff in the framing, 1337 01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:20.599 like they understand comedy very well. 1338 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:26.119 Also, I love the fucking the actual like live action 1339 01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:29.559 quick recordings that are on loop for the pause menu 1340 01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:31.320 and the loading screens. What does it say in the 1341 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:34.360 pause menu. It doesn't say quick to windows. It says 1342 01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:36.039 like I've had enough of this shit or something. 1343 01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:38.039 Yeah, it's something very British. 1344 01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:42.400 Yeah, yeah, it's no that came super fun absolute like 1345 01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:45.960 just quick one sitting gem that is just paced out 1346 01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:48.000 really well. You might get like lost a few times, 1347 01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:51.440 but there's so much there's so many jokes laden into 1348 01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:54.239 the environment that I never like got frustrated because there 1349 01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:58.039 was a little like a bit around every corner. But yeah, 1350 01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:01.880 it's it's it's not really a game where you're like, Okay, 1351 01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:03.440 I gotta go get this done and then I'll do 1352 01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:04.960 this it's more just you're kind of going with the 1353 01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:07.840 flow and being this like buffoon around town slapping. 1354 01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:10.559 Like I never had any idea what I was supposed 1355 01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:14.280 to do. Like at no time was I like, ah, yes, 1356 01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:16.079 I need the key for the fence so that I 1357 01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:18.480 can get the dish. It's just like the whole time, 1358 01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:19.840 I'm like, I don't know, I'm gonna slap this guy, 1359 01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:21.840 I'm gonna slap this girl, and I'm gonna slap this 1360 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:25.440 ham again because I gotta slap those hammy hams. I 1361 01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:29.840 was always like starting chaos. It was very controlled experiment. 1362 01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:32.559 I think, what's so great about this is like how 1363 01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:36.239 rare it is. How often are there games that are 1364 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:41.559 just essentially little joke machines for three hours? Like never 1365 01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:44.960 games do all sorts of things. They're entertaining, they make 1366 01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.880 you think ems some of them are about your dexterity. 1367 01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:50.599 But how how rare is it that it's like this 1368 01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:53.360 is just to make you laugh, that's its only purpose. 1369 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:55.000 It's stupid, just laugh. 1370 01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:58.039 For three hours, And it's even rarer that it's successful 1371 01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:01.360 at that. Yeah, that's actually funny, you know. They when 1372 01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:03.000 you see a movie, there are certain movies where you 1373 01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:04.639 know you're checking your watch, and there are certain ones 1374 01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:06.039 where it just kind of flies by because you were 1375 01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.000 super invested in it. I feel like there is kind 1376 01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:09.760 of like an analog to that in games, where it's like, 1377 01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:11.760 even good games, it's like, all right, I gotta get 1378 01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:13.280 done this. This mission is a pain in the answer. 1379 01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:15.079 I got e have an escort mission here. Okay, this 1380 01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:16.880 thing here, I'm just kind of grinding the level up. 1381 01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:18.800 Just what you know, those things where it's the equivalent 1382 01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:22.400 of checking your watch. This one's three hours. At no 1383 01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:25.519 point was I like, Ugh, this quest sucks or I 1384 01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:27.480 need to move on past this. I was just enjoying 1385 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:29.480 it for three hours and then it ended before any 1386 01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:31.880 of it got tired. It was just I have no 1387 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:32.960 complaints about that game. 1388 01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:35.519 Yeah, it's super good. God I played it. 1389 01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:40.239 I'm glad we bullied you into finishing it. That's that 1390 01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:41.079 was super worth it. 1391 01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:43.400 You bullowed me into playing it to begin with. 1392 01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:45.800 Yes, that's right, I did, and I do it again. 1393 01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:50.320 We kind of came away from last episode with some homework. 1394 01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:56.000 Dungeons of Hinterberg. I have played quite a bit of 1395 01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:59.239 that game, played a little bit of it very pleasantly 1396 01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:04.719 surprised by that those who don't know. Just generally speaking, structurally, 1397 01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:10.719 I guess it's a mix of Zelda and Persona and 1398 01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:18.599 there are some loot esque elements but not much. It's 1399 01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:20.480 kind of like Stardu Valley set up. You're just like 1400 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:22.719 on Victory, you're getting away from your desk job and 1401 01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:25.639 you arrive in this it's an Austrian developer and it's 1402 01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:27.920 based in the Austrian Alps, and you arrive in the 1403 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.719 town called Hinterberg, and I really appreciate this is a 1404 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:33.199 very dewey intro. There's a quick cut scene when you're 1405 01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:35.039 in a taxi and then you get there and then 1406 01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:39.199 the briefest of exposition. It's like everybody thought it was 1407 01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:41.679 a hoax, then they thought it was a mass solution hallucination. 1408 01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:43.920 All we know is twenty five dungeons just landed in 1409 01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.440 this place and then monsters were everywhere. So people go 1410 01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:50.519 vacation in Hinterberg to like blow off steam and kill 1411 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:54.639 monsters and explore dungeons. And the dungeons are puzzle heavy 1412 01:05:56.480 --> 01:06:02.360 with some rudimentary combat I think is probably the best 1413 01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:07.159 way to put it. But yeah, between dungeons you are 1414 01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:11.079 also doing persona stuff. Improving bonds with certain characters around town, 1415 01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:14.840 improving your own stats. You can just forego a dungeon 1416 01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:16.960 entirely on any given day and then go sit at 1417 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:19.719 a picnic table for the afternoon and increase your relaxation 1418 01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:25.760 stat I like it a whole lot. It's I think, 1419 01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:29.840 I don't want to assume anything, but it's relatively lower budget, 1420 01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:32.639 I think shows compared to something a bit more polished. 1421 01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:37.280 The combat can be a bit stilted, but overall, the 1422 01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:41.239 overall loop of this game is really compelling. I'm having 1423 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:43.079 a I thought I would just play a dungeon in 1424 01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:44.679 order to talk about it with you guys, and then 1425 01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:47.119 all of a sudden, like I'm on the sixth dungeon. 1426 01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:49.719 Now, now let me ask a question here, because I 1427 01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:52.360 started that night of the tutorial dungeon, and yeah, you know, 1428 01:06:52.599 --> 01:06:55.639 the combat is fairly simple, but I did just start out, 1429 01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:58.760 and then I got back to the town, I got 1430 01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:01.360 the magic spell the wrecking ball thing, and I was like, oh, 1431 01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:04.159 that's that's kind of a fun unique item, and then 1432 01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:05.960 I started kind of talking to people. So I feel 1433 01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:07.719 like I saw just the beginning of that loop where 1434 01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:10.920 it's dungeon and then town stuff. Does it continue that 1435 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:13.599 way where it's like dungeon and like is each gimmick 1436 01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:15.599 or each item is it tight, like, oh, this is 1437 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:17.760 the wrecking ball dungeon and then this is the blank dungeon? 1438 01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:19.800 Or does it add like do you have that wrecking 1439 01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:20.480 ball the whole game? 1440 01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:23.960 There's four there's four areas that you can go to, 1441 01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:27.599 so it's it's not an open world. It's segmented like 1442 01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:30.559 an old school Zelda, like an Ocarina whatever. There are 1443 01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:34.199 four biomes basically you can go to, not counting the town, 1444 01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:36.480 and in each of those, Mary correct me if I'm wrong, 1445 01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:40.239 you get a different duo of spells. Got yeah, okay, 1446 01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:43.599 the the ranged RB or R one and the L 1447 01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:47.280 one which yeah, at first, like there's some clear correlations 1448 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:50.800 between like the bomb ability in Breath of the Wild 1449 01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:53.039 and how they have you use the wrecking ball which 1450 01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:56.880 you can explode remotely, Yeah, pressing it again, but no, 1451 01:07:57.039 --> 01:07:59.599 you get you get some wind powers in the second area. 1452 01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:03.239 I haven't gone. I just unlocked the third area because 1453 01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:06.920 in each area there are like seven dungeons apiece, and 1454 01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:09.599 you can repeat some if you want. I don't know 1455 01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:14.719 why you would thus far or something, but there's also 1456 01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:16.760 other mini objectives in the world. Again, there are those 1457 01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:18.439 places where you can upgrade your own stats. They are 1458 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:20.279 a little side quests that pop up when these like 1459 01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:25.199 certain characters are like bring us monster parts, but no, 1460 01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.560 each each new biome kind of plays with the magic 1461 01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:30.359 spells you get in cool ways. 1462 01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:35.479 And then when you're doing the kind of persona type 1463 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:37.760 stuff or whatever, like, I'm willing to give it a 1464 01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:39.960 shot even if that type of stuff isn't normally my thing. 1465 01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:44.039 But if I don't like it, that stuff in between. 1466 01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:47.279 Is that skippable stuff or is that like critical? 1467 01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:52.079 It's pretty critical because it's not like you're just upping 1468 01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:55.520 a number with a character. You're actually by spending more 1469 01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:57.840 time with the Blacksmith, you are unlocking a whole mechanic 1470 01:08:57.960 --> 01:08:59.039 by upgrading relationship. 1471 01:08:59.079 --> 01:08:59.960 Oh okay, that was my question. 1472 01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:02.720 Yeah, And I will say, as someone who I think 1473 01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:04.760 all three of us have pretty low patients for like 1474 01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:08.720 very extensive cut scenes and conversations. Mary, would you wouldn't you? 1475 01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:11.279 Would you agree that those conversations with characters are always 1476 01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:12.880 fairly brief, And then all of a sudden, you're like 1477 01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:15.680 you unlock sword charms, which can do some pretty cool 1478 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:16.600 abilities and whatnot. 1479 01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:20.399 Yeah, I mean I think they are their brief I 1480 01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:22.199 still found them too long. And then I did the 1481 01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:25.720 fast forward. So there's a button and it just zips 1482 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:27.079 through all the conversation. 1483 01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:29.000 You can skip everything in this game if you want to. 1484 01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:31.600 Yeah, it's pretty nice because I don't. I don't actually 1485 01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:33.119 give a shit about any of the people in this town, 1486 01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:35.279 and they really want me to. There's I think four 1487 01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:41.319 things that you can increase based on your amusement, renown, relaxation, 1488 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:46.000 Familiarity is the familiarity yeah, yeah, and so you're like 1489 01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:50.319 meeting people to boost these different things. I remember one night, 1490 01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:52.560 I was like, I'll just see a movie that we 1491 01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:54.520 don't have to talk to anybody, and then it like 1492 01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:56.760 made me watch the movie and learn from the movie, 1493 01:09:56.800 --> 01:09:58.359 and I was like no, and so I fast forwarded 1494 01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:01.239 through the movie and then I just got up and 1495 01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:04.880 then I talked to somebody else some other night and 1496 01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:07.479 I unlocked a perk, but I just fast forward through 1497 01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:11.319 every conversation and dialogue option because I don't care. Also, 1498 01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:15.119 I'm curious with my things. I just thought sometimes they 1499 01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:18.239 really portrayed people in a negative light. 1500 01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:19.479 The right r. 1501 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.239 Like I was surprised that journalist is such an asshole, 1502 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:28.359 and I just don't understand, like they want you to 1503 01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:30.279 be friends with these people and like kind of get 1504 01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:31.560 to know them. And a part of me was like, 1505 01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:33.680 is this gonna be a romance thing? Because it was 1506 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:35.960 like odd the way they were setting us up to 1507 01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:38.039 like have a drink at a bar together. But he 1508 01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:41.399 just kept shitting on like the town and like the bar, 1509 01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:43.760 and he was just like it's bar. It's just a 1510 01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:46.880 little it's just a little like overdone for me, don't 1511 01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:49.359 you agree? And my options were like yes, like sucks 1512 01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:52.239 ass Like no, I actually like it, and you're you're 1513 01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:53.920 a piece of shit, and like the other one was 1514 01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:55.640 like say nothing, dot dot dot, and I was like, 1515 01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:57.880 I guess I'll say nothing because this is such a 1516 01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:00.520 weird place to put me in. I don't want to 1517 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:02.720 talk to any of these people or interact with them. 1518 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:06.279 The meat of this game is running around doing the dungeons. 1519 01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:10.239 I appreciate that this game tried to get you to 1520 01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:13.720 do other things, to explore a town, to grow lots 1521 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:17.800 of different skill sets, to have two different uh, I 1522 01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:20.439 don't know, special skills per area. I think that's really 1523 01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:23.039 neat there's really good ideas in here. It just so 1524 01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:27.039 happens that the only thing that I personally find fun 1525 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:30.279 is dungeon ing. That is like the only thing I 1526 01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:32.199 give a shit about. I don't care about anything else. 1527 01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:36.840 I tried, I'm not into it. I find the dungeons 1528 01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:38.359 are a lot like a Lara Croft. 1529 01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:42.279 They are environmental pulleys and. 1530 01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:47.399 And they're good. Sometimes I got stuck a couple of 1531 01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:48.960 times and I was like, what are you wanting me 1532 01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:49.239 to do? 1533 01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:49.560 Here? 1534 01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:52.800 There was this pulley system. If Mike, if you've done six, 1535 01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:54.800 we've probably done the same ones by now because I've 1536 01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:56.319 done all the easy ones and no, I'm on all 1537 01:11:56.399 --> 01:11:58.079 the hearts finished medium. 1538 01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:03.760 Yeah, okay, basically the uh it was kind of the 1539 01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:07.119 first dungeon from Twilight Princess, very okay of it with 1540 01:12:07.199 --> 01:12:07.640 the monkeys. 1541 01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:10.760 You can see the inspiration behind it. There's one that 1542 01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:13.640 I did in a cave system and it's a trolley 1543 01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:16.159 system and you can see the line you need to 1544 01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:18.960 pull the trolley. I got really stuck because I pulled 1545 01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:20.479 the trolley all the way. But then I didn't know 1546 01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:21.800 what else to do, And it turns out you had 1547 01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:24.159 to pull you know, you had to return the trolley 1548 01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:26.760 to the original position to keep going. I thought that 1549 01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:30.399 was really smart, and it reminded me of of environmental 1550 01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:32.319 puzzles I used to do in Tumorder. I could like 1551 01:12:32.439 --> 01:12:37.079 imagine Turmader graphics over this type of puzzle and all 1552 01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:38.800 of us eating it up and being like, oh, that 1553 01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:40.680 was really smart, like the way that you know she 1554 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:46.119 did that. Ultimately, though, the combat was less than desirable 1555 01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:50.560 for me. I don't really genuinely enjoy the combat. The 1556 01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:54.399 puzzles is where it's at. It's fun going through the dungeons. 1557 01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:57.199 I wish that the combat was a little bit more 1558 01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:57.880 impact y. 1559 01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:00.640 Yeah, it's not as crunchy as I would like, because 1560 01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:02.720 even when you get like you start to get cool 1561 01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:09.239 even outside of the because there's I agree wholeheartedly. I 1562 01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:11.640 actually think the persona stuff feels like an afterthought. I 1563 01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:14.399 think you could accomplish all the same stuff just by 1564 01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:16.399 treating it more like Monster Hunter, where it's like you're 1565 01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:19.600 back in town, you're buying potions, you're prepping, Oh hey quick, 1566 01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:21.439 before you do the next dungeon, you got to go 1567 01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:23.520 talk to her, and then you unlock a pretty important 1568 01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:27.079 upgrade mechanic. But then you start getting stuff like whirlwind 1569 01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:31.199 attacks and like Diablo Barbarian leaps, and I was like, okay, 1570 01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:33.720 this is fleshing out a little bit. The problem with 1571 01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:38.000 the combat is that it takes It's like the Tails 1572 01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:40.239 games Jake Decon, I'm talking about you guys played like 1573 01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:45.920 Tels of Vespiria or the combat brings up these like 1574 01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:49.920 arbitrary barriers around you and they don't go down again 1575 01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:51.520 until you fight all the enemies. It's like a little 1576 01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:54.680 like wave based thing. They all go fairly quick. I 1577 01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:57.840 think it's just interesting enough to like shake up the 1578 01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:01.560 pacing of some of these dungeons. But I also feel 1579 01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:04.159 as if the loot system is kind of tacked on, 1580 01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:08.319 and I don't think necessary I would have. I think 1581 01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:10.760 it's an easier sell to say, hey, this is Zelda 1582 01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:13.039 plus Persona plus some loot than to say, hey, we're 1583 01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:15.319 trying to do Zelda. How many people try to do Zelda. 1584 01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:18.439 But yeah, I think the puzzles are all so far 1585 01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:23.399 have been like good, bordering on great. I got stuck 1586 01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:26.039 in the same one as you, Mary, I don't. I 1587 01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:29.039 think sometimes these puzzles, ever, occasionally are difficult in a 1588 01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:34.479 bad way in that they they don't have the same 1589 01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:38.439 like skill with visual language that something like a Nintendo would, 1590 01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:40.920 where you could just see an item and kind of 1591 01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:44.439 figure out what you could do with it, whereas in 1592 01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:48.039 this game, it's like the dungeon leading up to that 1593 01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:50.239 one with the mind carts is very much about getting 1594 01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:52.960 around these locked doors to open them from the other side, 1595 01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:55.319 and then all of a sudden you come up on 1596 01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:56.680 one that are like, how the fuck do I get 1597 01:14:56.720 --> 01:14:58.520 past it? And I was like, Oh, they don't want 1598 01:14:58.560 --> 01:14:59.920 me to push this mine cart, they want me to 1599 01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:01.640 jump in it, and then all of a sudden it 1600 01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:04.279 automatically shoots through the door. How would I know that 1601 01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:07.000 if I? But what? I don't know? 1602 01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:11.239 Once you get and should be more like Nintendo, Yeah, yeah, 1603 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:12.640 just come on, what are you doing? 1604 01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:17.880 That's not the last for sure, that's an unfair comparison, 1605 01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:20.479 but like there's something about the the art direction of 1606 01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:23.600 the game that I can't always parse what is important 1607 01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:26.560 to the environment and the puzzles and what's just environmental art, 1608 01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:32.800 because it is it's like that sable cell shaded hand 1609 01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:34.479 drawn kind of aesthetic. 1610 01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:38.640 Line vaguely like jets at radio type kind of Yeah. 1611 01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:42.119 No, it's absolutely unfair to compare it to Nintendo. It's 1612 01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:44.359 just like, while I'm doing all this, I'm like a 1613 01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:46.560 man now I want to play like Twilight Princess or something. 1614 01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:50.520 But I really do enjoy these dungeons. I I also 1615 01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:53.800 think it's a pretty like just fun setting to explore 1616 01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:56.560 the Austrian Alps, and like the biomes are pretty detailed 1617 01:15:56.560 --> 01:15:59.720 and cool and uh, there is there is some bloat 1618 01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:02.680 this game, but I'm still finding the overall loop to 1619 01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:05.159 be like, I want to go back and play it 1620 01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:06.119 more tonight. 1621 01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:09.359 I agree, I'm not done with it. I don't think 1622 01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:11.239 it's perfect. I think we've talked a lot about the 1623 01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:13.920 things we don't love about it. I think the dungeons 1624 01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:15.920 is where it's at. I think it has a great 1625 01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:19.000 loop of like the day and night cycle. It's fun. 1626 01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:21.640 I enjoy going in it, and I will also continue 1627 01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:23.479 playing it. Like I think, I'm only eight hours in 1628 01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:25.319 and I want to play more. I would like to 1629 01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:26.720 continue eight hours. 1630 01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:28.119 How many dungeons would you say that is? 1631 01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:29.479 I don't know. 1632 01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:31.960 I'm in an area three, okay, I. 1633 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:35.079 Just unlocked Area three, and it probably like a because 1634 01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:36.479 you can you can spend a lot of time staying 1635 01:16:36.479 --> 01:16:38.880 in one area and trying dungeons that are above your level. Again, 1636 01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:43.039 I saw that and stuff. I again, I think at 1637 01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:44.840 this point in the game, and I just unlocked a 1638 01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:48.119 third biome. Keep in mind, I have not anywhere near 1639 01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:51.439 completed the first two. They basically want you to unlock 1640 01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:53.680 all four and do the first two in each area 1641 01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:55.399 and then kind of go back and forth between them. 1642 01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:59.079 Once you up your character level, your gear, attack and 1643 01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:01.520 defense levels, I think or have a measure whether you're 1644 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:03.920 ready for that dungeon. And I'm pretty that just only 1645 01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:04.960 applies to the combat. 1646 01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:08.239 I am intrigued. Something I like about this from what 1647 01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:10.399 I hear is that like it's just twenty five dungeons 1648 01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.079 and then like I know, it's Zelda like in the dungeons, 1649 01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:15.199 but Zelda also had a bunch of stuff between. You know, 1650 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:17.199 Zelda would have like, you know, six or seven dungeons, 1651 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:18.920 and in between there's two hours where you got to 1652 01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:21.279 go play a song for some frogs or milk acaw 1653 01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:24.960 or something, you know exactly. Yeah, there's like a bunch 1654 01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:26.600 of shit, you which I love that shit some of 1655 01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:28.359 my favorite stuff. But like I also like the like 1656 01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:30.439 like Shadow of the Classes. I always loved that. It 1657 01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:33.399 was just like, here's just like fifteen boss fights and 1658 01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:35.079 it's just this is the boss fight game, you know, 1659 01:17:35.159 --> 01:17:36.399 And I like the idea of like, this is the 1660 01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:37.119 dungeon game. 1661 01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:40.079 Uh, get in there, dungeon it up. That's what you 1662 01:17:40.199 --> 01:17:43.279 do the dungeons. My job is dungeon. 1663 01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:48.560 Yeah, I'm actually curious because there is a difficulty called 1664 01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:52.960 vacation mode, and I'm curious about that because if that 1665 01:17:53.159 --> 01:17:55.399 removes the need to really worry about my item level 1666 01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:58.840 and difficult combat, I might go down to that because 1667 01:17:59.000 --> 01:18:02.000 these puzzles are definitely are intriguing me, because. 1668 01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:03.920 Yeah, because that's not going to change the puzzle solutions, 1669 01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:05.760 it's just going to make it to the combat stuff. 1670 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:07.760 If that's weak, that sounds that I'm assuming. 1671 01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:09.800 I don't know for sure, but I'm gonna I kind 1672 01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:12.039 of want to check that out because so far, the 1673 01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:17.520 only difficulty Slider I can see is enemies, enemy health 1674 01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:21.439 and variety, et cetera. And the combat's not why I'm 1675 01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:24.039 going to this game, and it's not the draw. So yeah, 1676 01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:27.319 I'm curious about that. But yeah, this game has been 1677 01:18:27.319 --> 01:18:28.479 a very pleasant surprise for me. 1678 01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:31.720 Nice I'll keep going with it. It does run pretty 1679 01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:33.600 well on Steam Deck and with all my flights and stuff. 1680 01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:36.720 That's when I've been playing that also. Zelda we talked 1681 01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:39.039 about a little bit here. Quick update. I have the 1682 01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:41.000 tri Force and win Waker. I'm about to go. I 1683 01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:43.199 forgot what the very end of that game is outside 1684 01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:44.880 of the game and fight. I think you go under 1685 01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:47.840 the castle and all that stuff. But again, that game, 1686 01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:51.000 I'm playing the HD version. It is God damn it. 1687 01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:53.399 It's so good. So yeah, almost done with it, and 1688 01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:56.319 just go play it if you haven't played it. It's fantastic. 1689 01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:59.800 The last time I replayed it, I've never owned my 1690 01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:02.439 own and we you. And when I lived with Jake 1691 01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:04.600 Decker in San Francisco for a year and Tim Turry 1692 01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:10.479 and everybody, Jake and I both started Campaign or sorry 1693 01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:14.600 restarted Twilight Princess and Win Waker. He had never played 1694 01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:18.239 Twilight Princess before. I might be butchering this, sorry Jake, 1695 01:19:18.319 --> 01:19:20.760 but I believe he was playing Twilight Princess for the 1696 01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:24.319 first time. And then I was like kind of simultaneously 1697 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:26.319 replaying Win Waker. I have not played. That would have 1698 01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:29.000 been two thousand and seventeen, so I got to replay. 1699 01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:30.560 It's coming up on it. I just want those both 1700 01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:32.760 on switch. I know there are ways to play them handheld, 1701 01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:33.159 but like. 1702 01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:35.359 Yeah, I know, I wish it was on Twitch. I 1703 01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:37.079 was tired of waiting. I was just like, so I 1704 01:19:37.239 --> 01:19:39.439 got it working, you know, on a steam deck, and 1705 01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:40.920 it works really well. 1706 01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:42.920 So yeah, I might have to pick your brain about 1707 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:46.199 that because I'm I'm also losing losing patients. 1708 01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:53.119 Yeah, yep, speaking of steam deck stuff. I boy, Steam 1709 01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:58.319 World Heist two is what I started that this afternoon, 1710 01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:01.399 and oh man, I don't know, did you guys play 1711 01:20:01.479 --> 01:20:02.600 the first SteamWorld tyst. 1712 01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:06.680 I am a huge fan of all the SteamWorld games. 1713 01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:09.439 I remember I sold you on Quest. Yeah, yeah, a 1714 01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:11.479 different games like that. 1715 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:13.760 It's cool about SteamWorld is that it's all these different 1716 01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:15.800 genres and and some of them like I didn't love 1717 01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:19.319 the city Builder, but like I love dig I loved Heist. 1718 01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:21.560 I liked Quest a lot more than I expected to. 1719 01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:24.560 I just think what they're doing is such a cool 1720 01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:26.359 deal where it's like, Okay, we have this world in 1721 01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:28.640 this name, and then we're just trying all this different 1722 01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:30.399 shit and some of them get the sequels and some 1723 01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:33.199 of them are one offs, and just what a cool thing. 1724 01:20:33.359 --> 01:20:39.439 But I think this might be the top of what 1725 01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:43.319 they put out. Again, I just started this afternoon. I'm 1726 01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:45.359 like a couple hours in, but it's like there's so 1727 01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:48.520 much depth in the combat. It's it's a very tactical game. 1728 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:50.439 It's not like a tiles based you know thing, but 1729 01:20:50.520 --> 01:20:52.800 it's it's if you haven't played the first one, it's 1730 01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:55.479 not side scrolling, but it's you know, the side perspective 1731 01:20:55.680 --> 01:20:58.399 two D. And it's turn based, so you know you'll 1732 01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:01.279 have two three people on your tea, enemies coming in. 1733 01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:03.600 A lot of environmental stuff, exploding barrels, stuff like that. 1734 01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:06.760 It's a lot of aiming your guns and like the 1735 01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:09.800 sniper rifle might have a line that you know, you 1736 01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:11.720 can see how it's gonna ricochet, so you can bounce 1737 01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:13.680 it off the ceiling and then the wall and then 1738 01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:16.439 into an exploding barrel. It'll kill two guys. Or this 1739 01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:18.039 guy is just like a melee guy, so he's got 1740 01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:20.159 to run around and get close and everything. But yeah, 1741 01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.479 it's turn based. Your team does your stuff, their team 1742 01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:25.680 does their stuff. But then in between the loop is 1743 01:21:26.159 --> 01:21:28.520 so cool. If like going back to the submarine and 1744 01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:31.039 I don't remember the in between stuff. As much in 1745 01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:33.039 the first heist, but this one has a full like 1746 01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:36.079 overworld and you're sailing around in a submarine and you're 1747 01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:38.640 getting upgrades to the sub you're getting guns on the side, 1748 01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:40.319 you're getting you know, armor plating and stuff like that, 1749 01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:42.079 and there's like pirates sailing around that you got to 1750 01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:44.039 take out and you can you know, plunder them for 1751 01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:47.039 resources and go sail up to a bar to end 1752 01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:49.079 your day and upgrade stuff and maybe recruit some new 1753 01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:52.479 members to your team. But it's got all these different systems. 1754 01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:54.800 It is a very deep game, but it is so 1755 01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:57.960 efficient and how it teaches you stuff, Like, you know, 1756 01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:00.000 we don't have a lot of patience for really time 1757 01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:02.520 hockey games. I also super don't have a lot of 1758 01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:05.720 patience for games that take fucking forever for tutorials, like, 1759 01:22:06.159 --> 01:22:08.399 for instance, like the Mario Luigi games. I fucking love those, 1760 01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:10.199 but some of those are just like I feel like 1761 01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:12.840 it's four hours of like let's take you into a battle, 1762 01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:14.720 and then some assholes like there's just a million speech 1763 01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:17.000 levels like now try this, now, try to time this thing. 1764 01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:19.359 This one like in the first hour and a half, 1765 01:22:19.600 --> 01:22:23.319 it teaches you a bunch of different systems very quickly. 1766 01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:25.479 It does not waste time. You can button through stuff 1767 01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:27.600 pretty quick, and it's just kind of laid out in 1768 01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:30.439 a way that's easy to grasp. It's not confusing at all. 1769 01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:33.079 And it's also fun from the start. It's not like 1770 01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:34.920 that first hour and a half is just learning, like 1771 01:22:35.319 --> 01:22:37.680 you are doing fun battles and stuff. It's just like 1772 01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:40.239 adding a layer and then you do that fight, adding 1773 01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:41.840 a layer. Okay, now to do some overworld stuff and 1774 01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:43.600 learn this. Now we're adding a layer, and now you've 1775 01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:46.680 got a third party member. And I've heard it's a 1776 01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:49.560 pretty big game. So the fact that I'm you know, 1777 01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:52.359 just starting out and it feels so good already and 1778 01:22:52.439 --> 01:22:54.920 it's great Steam Deck game. I haven't played the Switch 1779 01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:58.000 one yet. I would imagine it wouldn't be I can't 1780 01:22:58.000 --> 01:22:59.920 see why it would be, you know, poorly running on 1781 01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:02.560 Switch or anything. But I haven't tried it yet. But yeah, 1782 01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:06.359 I've got like two overseas flights this month, and I'm 1783 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:09.560 just so excited to just sit back and play this 1784 01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:12.319 game for hours and hours. It is a blast so far. 1785 01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:15.840 Yeah, the I adored that first one because I mean 1786 01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:19.680 the general pitch for the first one was you know, 1787 01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:25.159 sci fi kind of steampunk two dimensional x com, at 1788 01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:26.920 least for someone like me who you know swore by 1789 01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:30.840 x com. Yeah, it sounds like they added to what 1790 01:23:30.920 --> 01:23:34.119 you were saying, much more to that interstitial strategy layer 1791 01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:36.880 between the tactical battles, which is exciting. Plus it's also 1792 01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:42.199 not sci fi. It's more Pirates now right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1793 01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:46.119 yeah that's I can't wait. I saw like a lot 1794 01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:48.319 of reviews were super positive. I really want to play 1795 01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:49.800 this game. I love that first game. I think I 1796 01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:53.119 played through it twice in the harder difficulty the second time. 1797 01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:55.760 Yeah, this seems like a Mike Maherty game for sure. 1798 01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:59.640 They changed their name because it was motion. What the 1799 01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:00.399 hell was their name? 1800 01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:03.560 Oh the studio. Yeah, they're like Thunderfold now right. 1801 01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:05.720 Yeah, it's thunder Motion. 1802 01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:07.960 Twin motion is that? 1803 01:24:09.119 --> 01:24:12.399 No? Yeah, your image and form. But now they're Thunderful. 1804 01:24:12.479 --> 01:24:15.960 Thunderfol is a better name. Yeah. 1805 01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:19.199 I I remember when Quest came out, I was like, 1806 01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:23.840 because I like steam World Dig two. The new steam 1807 01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:26.920 World dig is that city build. Steamware steam World Build 1808 01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.199 is kind of dig meat city building. 1809 01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:30.680 But Dig a lot didn't love build. 1810 01:24:31.119 --> 01:24:34.279 Yeah, so it's good to see this do well because 1811 01:24:34.279 --> 01:24:36.640 I didn't love Build either, but god yeah, Quest was 1812 01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:39.800 great the fact that they could do a like Slay 1813 01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:44.640 the Spire basically but on this like adventure game structure. 1814 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:49.319 There they nailed how many different genres at this point, 1815 01:24:49.399 --> 01:24:51.239 so it's great to see that that's still doing well. 1816 01:24:51.399 --> 01:24:53.840 And I watched the like steam page trailer forard I 1817 01:24:53.920 --> 01:24:56.159 think this one specifically said it's from the makers of 1818 01:24:56.399 --> 01:24:58.960 steam World Heist and steam World Dig like, so I 1819 01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.039 don't know if it's like one team handles those and 1820 01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:02.760 the others through the others, but like if that's the case, 1821 01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:05.840 then like this team kills it. I mean, all their 1822 01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:08.279 stuff is really good, but like this is the top 1823 01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:08.560 for me. 1824 01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:12.319 Yeah, I really really want to play that, especially all 1825 01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:16.399 the submarine upgrade stuff sounds kind of what was the 1826 01:25:16.439 --> 01:25:18.960 game where you're building up your ship and recruiting people 1827 01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:24.920 on islands like like two years ago, and there's like relationships. No, 1828 01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:27.039 but it's kind of like a ship that you're building up. 1829 01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:27.960 Thieves. 1830 01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:31.720 No, I remember we Assassin's Creed Black Flag that was 1831 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:32.359 an indie game. 1832 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:36.479 Heart Drench, No, Dave the Diver. 1833 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:40.319 No, You're it's two dimensional. You're going your your character 1834 01:25:40.439 --> 01:25:43.920 is like a battleship, and you're going between islands and 1835 01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:46.720 you're recruiting people and getting supplies and building, like putting 1836 01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:51.000 your stacking like expedition. You're stacking lopside and stuff up 1837 01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:53.680 on your boat as you go between islands. You must 1838 01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:56.399 build a boat. There's listeners right now who want to 1839 01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:58.880 what are you talking about? Keeping you know, what the 1840 01:25:58.920 --> 01:25:59.439 hell is it called? 1841 01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:01.600 You have to describing things until we understand what the 1842 01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:02.119 hell you're talking. 1843 01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:06.760 I remember Alex a giant bomb told recommended I play 1844 01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:08.359 it on a beast cast and then I played it 1845 01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:11.520 and it was great. There's something like characters go to 1846 01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:15.159 Heaven at a certain point. What there's listeners right had 1847 01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:15.960 a weird dream. 1848 01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:20.319 Oh wait, are you talking about the indie game Spiritfarer? 1849 01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:25.880 Yes, I got it forgot there. That's gonna be that's 1850 01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:27.920 a bonus episode there and go to heaven. 1851 01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:32.119 What are you talking about? I thought you were talking 1852 01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:35.279 about fighting people like on battle No. No, no, you 1853 01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:37.439 got to get some crew and drop some crew off. 1854 01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:43.479 You're like making guards go to heaven. I did a 1855 01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:46.840 very that's a bonus episode where we just job. We 1856 01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:50.079 all just try to do the worst job possible. Describing 1857 01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:52.359 a game, like a game we sort of forgot, like 1858 01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:56.560 oh there's yeah there, Yeah, it was good, beautiful. 1859 01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:58.920 It's one of the most beautiful games it's ever been constructed. 1860 01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:04.319 It's all about understanding loss and appreciating life and loved 1861 01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:06.439 ones as you know it. I mean, it's it's like 1862 01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:08.960 one of the number one games that will make you 1863 01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:11.640 cry and like really appreciate those in your life. 1864 01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:20.560 It's yeah, oh it's Golden Bones. Okay, Flag change my life, 1865 01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:22.640 Sid Myers Pirates. 1866 01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:24.640 That's how that's why I believe in God. 1867 01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:30.079 Shadows of the Damn, that's how I lost faith. 1868 01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:34.159 Yeah, so I'm sure I will touch base on this 1869 01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:37.880 again after these flights and stuff. But so far, so 1870 01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:40.079 very good. I would say, I gotta. 1871 01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:42.680 Get me that game I got. I got to get 1872 01:27:42.760 --> 01:27:45.079 me that game that he says, I got to get 1873 01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:49.880 Steam World going. Yeah, that's that's encouraging because I was 1874 01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:53.880 really excited for that. Uh Mary, Oh, did both of 1875 01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:55.600 you play a Ranger or Mary? 1876 01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:57.560 I briefly did Mary? 1877 01:27:57.800 --> 01:28:00.439 Probably curious because that's how I list either, you know, 1878 01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:03.159 like I'm close to beating it. Oh, so what's good? 1879 01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:07.760 I'm like ten hours in. I feel like I'm in 1880 01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:10.079 the final stretches, you know what I mean, Like where 1881 01:28:10.079 --> 01:28:13.640 you have like a my character has like built up 1882 01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:16.600 all these relationships, and now I'm saving my character as 1883 01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:18.720 a different character that I saved earlier, and I just 1884 01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:21.560 I feel like I'm I'm getting close. I think it's 1885 01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:28.159 really good, especially for light puzzle noodlers. So you get 1886 01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:31.359 the way I was describing it when I was streaming, 1887 01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:33.199 because I kept having new people come in and I 1888 01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:34.680 had to be like, you have to explain why this 1889 01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:36.600 is so hard because it looks easy. They put you 1890 01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:38.680 in a spot and you're like, I just have to 1891 01:28:38.760 --> 01:28:41.880 get this knife to this monster. That's so easy. We 1892 01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:44.239 makes it complicated is every time you go left or right, 1893 01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:49.319 you move the entire horizontal row, and every time you 1894 01:28:49.439 --> 01:28:53.159 go up and down, you move the entire column. And 1895 01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:57.680 so that's what makes this puzzle juice, because all of 1896 01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:01.319 a sudden, the items move if they're on your row 1897 01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:05.800 or column, and so you have to navigate accordingly, usually 1898 01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:09.319 by making tiny squares to move things around to the 1899 01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:10.760 position you want them and then. 1900 01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:14.199 Loop around to loop around and get them in there. 1901 01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:17.880 That reminds me heavily of something I mean, it reminds 1902 01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:20.479 me of those like slide games when you slide puzzles, 1903 01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:25.319 but there's a video game specific Yeah, it's probably like 1904 01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:28.399 Zelda dungeons that it's reminding me of. Kind it's sort 1905 01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:31.399 of like the ice blocks and the ice camera. 1906 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:34.880 Okay, but yeah, anyway, it evolves slightly, but it's the 1907 01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:37.399 same mechanic over and over and over again. Like they 1908 01:29:37.479 --> 01:29:39.960 don't mix it up too much. I also just want 1909 01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:44.319 to say it gives me Braid vibes because I believe 1910 01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:49.119 I'm gonna muck this up. But the art director or 1911 01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:52.319 whatever is the co founder of this studio, and you 1912 01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:56.600 can tell that the Braid people are in this. It's 1913 01:29:56.720 --> 01:29:59.479 just you know, Braid. Every character you were like, why 1914 01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:01.319 do you have such a big fucking weird head. 1915 01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:03.000 Here's little guy, aren't you. 1916 01:30:03.159 --> 01:30:05.680 This is the same ship every character. I'm like, what 1917 01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:07.239 the fuck is up with this guy's head? 1918 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:10.039 They've made every character you're here can do it. But 1919 01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:12.359 suddenly Jonathan Blow is involved and it sucks. 1920 01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:16.079 It's just so pretentious. No, it's really good. It's I 1921 01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:18.960 just think it's an odd art style that's very distinctive, 1922 01:30:19.039 --> 01:30:22.199 so it's not pro nor con Some people like, fuck 1923 01:30:22.319 --> 01:30:24.000 up weird looking dookie characters. 1924 01:30:24.399 --> 01:30:27.800 I'm just saying, oh God, I did. 1925 01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:30.199 I'm not It's not for me, but I don't think 1926 01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:32.199 it's necessarily bad or poorly made. 1927 01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:38.039 I'm god, this is such a derail. I'm trying to 1928 01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:41.840 decide whether I'm far enough removed from an interview I 1929 01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:49.640 did with Jonathan Blow to share it funny baby No 1930 01:30:50.039 --> 01:30:53.720 no no, no, no no no no? Uh ship am 1931 01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:56.800 I Well, I'll yeah, I'll tell a story and then 1932 01:30:56.800 --> 01:31:02.560 maybe all okay, So the Witness I had. They gave 1933 01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:06.439 that game out like two months before it came out, yes, 1934 01:31:06.600 --> 01:31:08.279 And Pete Brown's like, Mike, do you want to review 1935 01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:12.359 The Witness? Jonathan Blow? Like sure? And I love that game. 1936 01:31:13.159 --> 01:31:16.399 I think it's phenomenal. It's difficult, it's absolutely can be 1937 01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:19.680 pretentious in some places. But like a month before the 1938 01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:22.600 release date, pr asked if I wanted to interview him 1939 01:31:23.279 --> 01:31:27.199 to kind of supplement coverage around it after the review, 1940 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:31.560 And I think he's got enough of a reputation for 1941 01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:34.039 he can kind of like you know, close his eyes 1942 01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:36.880 and say something and then like look down his nose 1943 01:31:37.039 --> 01:31:39.600 at someone as he's talking, and you know, like clearly 1944 01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:42.279 a smart dude. But I remember at one point in 1945 01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:45.159 the interview. It was a fifty minute interview five zero, 1946 01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:48.920 so it was lengthy at least for at that point, 1947 01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:52.159 and you know, playing the game. But I remember he 1948 01:31:52.319 --> 01:31:57.079 was just saying something that just I think the conversation 1949 01:31:57.159 --> 01:31:59.840 had gotten to a point where he stopped. Really he 1950 01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:03.520 was not grounded anymore, and so he was saying something 1951 01:32:03.560 --> 01:32:06.039 about the game and the philosophy behind it and how 1952 01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:08.359 he was kind of thinking about the flow of the 1953 01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:10.479 puzzles in your mind space as you're moving through the 1954 01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:13.279 witness and he leaned back like this in his chair, 1955 01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:17.159 and I noticed that not only were the buttons on 1956 01:32:17.239 --> 01:32:20.960 his button down shirt misaligned, but the entire button down 1957 01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:26.479 shirt was inside out. So somehow this guy could make 1958 01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:29.600 a game that was as genius I will say, the 1959 01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:33.159 Witnesses like borderline genius. Yeah, in many ways. However, he 1960 01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:35.560 somehow didn't notice that the collar on his button down 1961 01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:38.000 shirt was on the inside, and then he buttoned it 1962 01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:41.119 like almost completely, and I remember from there on out, 1963 01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:42.840 I was like, I need to not laugh during this 1964 01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:45.239 interview because he's saying a lot of stuff that I 1965 01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:49.439 need to like pay close attention to. And it was 1966 01:32:49.560 --> 01:32:51.680 just I told Pete Brown about that right after the interview, 1967 01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:53.760 and I was dude, I had to hold it together. 1968 01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:55.439 Oh I tried so hard. 1969 01:32:55.880 --> 01:32:57.680 I thought you're gonna say he laaned back and then 1970 01:32:57.800 --> 01:33:01.399 like the rolling chair whenever, like on his asked. 1971 01:33:03.279 --> 01:33:06.239 About that immediately, I would have mentioned that Indian the story. 1972 01:33:07.239 --> 01:33:09.039 I would have mentioned that in the review for The Witness. 1973 01:33:09.600 --> 01:33:13.439 Oh wow, No, I love The Witness, but he's not 1974 01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:14.439 attached to this at all. 1975 01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:17.279 Jonathan Blower is not attached to a ranger. 1976 01:33:18.119 --> 01:33:19.960 Gotcha? Are you sure? Have you looked at the credits 1977 01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:21.199 and made sure that none of the names are like 1978 01:33:21.239 --> 01:33:23.840 an anagram of his Mary? 1979 01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:26.319 I played. I played a bit of it, and like, 1980 01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:28.920 I feel like the way I hear people talk about 1981 01:33:28.960 --> 01:33:30.680 this game is kind of how I felt about it, 1982 01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:34.800 where it's just like, yeah, it's good, it's good, puzzles, good, 1983 01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:37.479 think them. You know, it's like very clever stuff, but 1984 01:33:37.640 --> 01:33:41.479 like it sounds like you were obviously much further than me, 1985 01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:45.239 and it seems like you're saying it's kind of the 1986 01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:48.720 same stick for lack of a better term, it's just 1987 01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:51.000 kind of like, Okay, gotta move these tiles around, gotta 1988 01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:53.039 get that thing over here, I gotta get myself over there. 1989 01:33:53.319 --> 01:33:55.159 I gotta, you know, move this sword to that guy 1990 01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:57.119 so I can move like and I was kind of 1991 01:33:57.199 --> 01:33:59.600 tiring of that after like an hour, and I was 1992 01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:02.079 kind of like, okay, and let's just like introduces something 1993 01:34:02.239 --> 01:34:04.680 new to the equation soon. I don't know if I 1994 01:34:04.760 --> 01:34:05.840 feel the pole to keep going. 1995 01:34:06.439 --> 01:34:08.960 Yeah, I can see how a lot of people will 1996 01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:12.880 feel that. And I will say this speaks to me 1997 01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:15.880 because when I'm doing one of my favorite things in 1998 01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:19.840 the whole world, which is watching TV kind of mindlessly 1999 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:26.479 and playing a video game casually, I like simple puzzles 2000 01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:28.920 that I don't have to pay attention to. And I 2001 01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:33.920 think this is that it is not super difficult. It's 2002 01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:36.920 not super complex. I did get stuck a couple times, 2003 01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:40.479 but you you just move shit around until you figure 2004 01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:43.000 it out. You know, have you guys we've all played 2005 01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:47.560 one of those games where it's it's nine squares and 2006 01:34:47.720 --> 01:34:48.680 one of them is empty. 2007 01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:51.000 I've been able to do this picture. 2008 01:34:51.199 --> 01:34:52.920 And you just to move things out of that. 2009 01:34:54.319 --> 01:34:57.880 Yes, okay, well those are stupid and they you there's 2010 01:34:57.920 --> 01:35:01.079 no strategy, like maybe sure, but these aren't Rubik's cubes. 2011 01:35:01.359 --> 01:35:05.159 You just move things around until it solves itself. And 2012 01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:07.560 that's what this game is. If you really don't want 2013 01:35:07.600 --> 01:35:10.279 to think about it, just keep moving around, just cleep 2014 01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:15.119 sliding around, and you'll figure it out. You can ham 2015 01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:18.000 fist your way through this game. In fact, there is 2016 01:35:18.119 --> 01:35:21.239 a slide puzzle in this game if you keep playing 2017 01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:23.840 at some point. And what pisses me off about it 2018 01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:25.880 is that they kind of made it seem like an award, 2019 01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:29.479 like or like a reward. I just completed this huge 2020 01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:31.479 puzzle and I get to the top and they're like, 2021 01:35:31.560 --> 01:35:33.520 you did it. I'm so proud of you, and they 2022 01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:34.960 gave me the slide puzzle, and I. 2023 01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:35.840 Was like, what the fuck. 2024 01:35:36.199 --> 01:35:38.239 I don't want to do this. I don't care for 2025 01:35:38.319 --> 01:35:40.920 slide puzzles personally. I think a ranger is like a 2026 01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:45.079 different thing, and I think it just scratches an itch 2027 01:35:45.159 --> 01:35:47.239 for me. But I don't think it's for everybody. But 2028 01:35:47.319 --> 01:35:52.079 I think it's simple and it functions well. Oh the 2029 01:35:52.439 --> 01:35:55.840 characters names. Let's forget about how weird they look. Can 2030 01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:57.560 I tell you some of these character names? Hold on, 2031 01:35:57.640 --> 01:36:02.359 let me see if I can. Fine, dude, the character 2032 01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:08.359 names are so Weirdlanathan. 2033 01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:11.479 Joe Arrange, Nathan Lebau, what. 2034 01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:14.199 The fuck is this game? And also the game name 2035 01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:16.399 is really long. It's not just called a ranger. 2036 01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:18.640 Oh is it like a ranger like a slide puzzle 2037 01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:21.720 adventure or something puzzling adventures. 2038 01:36:23.399 --> 01:36:27.279 You don't need it. I'm trying to. 2039 01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:30.880 Escort service. 2040 01:36:31.479 --> 01:36:33.640 Yes, I'm curious. 2041 01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:38.399 God damn it, I'm not keep laughing making I thought 2042 01:36:38.439 --> 01:36:40.960 there's an article that's about all the names. But the 2043 01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:45.560 names are like, you know, Zimbooble Bob and they'll just 2044 01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:47.840 they'll tell me, like two characters fall in love and 2045 01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:50.479 run off to get married, and they keep saying their 2046 01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:52.880 stupid names, and I keeping like, I cannot take this 2047 01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:56.119 seriously that two Star Clock Cross lovers ran away and 2048 01:36:56.199 --> 01:36:59.560 are now missing and presumed dead because their names are 2049 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:05.399 like Ziffer Oligoss and Booble Dobbe and I can't. I 2050 01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:07.279 just like, I am not worried about them. 2051 01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:10.920 God, you just reminded me. My sister Kayla, who's probably 2052 01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:13.520 listening right now, is playing through Middle Gear Solid the 2053 01:37:13.600 --> 01:37:15.680 series for the first time on her Twitch, which that 2054 01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:18.520 has been fascinating to watch. I've been watching all her 2055 01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:21.640 VODs and everything. She was trying to name Zanzibar Land 2056 01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:23.520 she was trying to say, like, oh, yeah, so he 2057 01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:26.199 met a snake in gray Fox knew each other from it. 2058 01:37:26.279 --> 01:37:28.960 She was trying to say zanzibar Land and she said, 2059 01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:35.119 zin zinnaty. That's incredible. 2060 01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:37.199 Yeah. 2061 01:37:37.279 --> 01:37:39.560 Check out team Kayla on twitch. That has been very 2062 01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:43.119 fun to watch. Yes, But yeah, Mary, I don't know. 2063 01:37:43.279 --> 01:37:44.560 I don't know if I'm to keep going. I feel 2064 01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:46.119 like there's a lot of games I've been playing lately 2065 01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:48.079 where it's like, Okay, I get what they're doing here. 2066 01:37:48.279 --> 01:37:50.560 I played an hour or two of them not really 2067 01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:53.039 getting hooked yet. I throw Heinterberg in there, I throw 2068 01:37:53.079 --> 01:37:54.720 a ranger in there, A ranger. 2069 01:37:55.039 --> 01:37:55.239 Yeah. 2070 01:37:55.319 --> 01:37:59.079 It's just like it reminded me of like a dumber 2071 01:37:59.159 --> 01:38:01.279 Baba is you? Does that make any sense? I mean 2072 01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:03.479 Boba's you was the whole like logic and words is 2073 01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:06.319 very different, but like the moving things around, you know, 2074 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:08.199 kind of reminded me of how you're just moving things 2075 01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:10.279 around here, and there are a lot of clever things here. 2076 01:38:10.479 --> 01:38:12.560 I had the moments where I just beat my head 2077 01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:14.000 against something for a while and then figured it out. 2078 01:38:14.279 --> 01:38:16.680 But then I had moments where like I had that aha, 2079 01:38:16.880 --> 01:38:18.920 you know, like Eureka moment and felt pretty smart for 2080 01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:21.039 a second. But I don't know. I just feel like 2081 01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:25.000 other games have done it better. Like I'm not feeling 2082 01:38:25.159 --> 01:38:26.920 the itch to keep going right now when there is 2083 01:38:27.000 --> 01:38:28.760 like a lot of other stuff I'm trying out. 2084 01:38:29.159 --> 01:38:30.760 I don't think I can justify it. I think what 2085 01:38:30.840 --> 01:38:32.760 I'm saying is is I think it's a really nice, 2086 01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:36.600 like couch game that I think was good for me. 2087 01:38:36.840 --> 01:38:38.680 I don't think it's gonna be for everyone, and I 2088 01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:41.279 don't think it gets harder, although I will say they 2089 01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:44.279 just unlocked a new concept of the very what I 2090 01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:46.920 assume is the very end of the game, which is neat. 2091 01:38:46.960 --> 01:38:48.439 I wish they introduced it earlier. 2092 01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:53.000 The rocket lutter, Yes, you can finally. 2093 01:38:52.800 --> 01:38:57.520 Kill so the idea like remember how you can like 2094 01:38:57.640 --> 01:39:02.960 slide horizontally and vertically. So uh, if the row is broken, 2095 01:39:04.119 --> 01:39:06.560 then you're you only complete one. They've given me this 2096 01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:08.439 machine that completes the row. 2097 01:39:09.199 --> 01:39:10.560 Okay, huh. 2098 01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:12.640 I don't know if that makes sense, but it means 2099 01:39:12.680 --> 01:39:15.960 that now I can I can travel a lot further 2100 01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:18.439 than I did before, and it makes the puzzles a 2101 01:39:18.479 --> 01:39:21.039 lot more complex, and I feel like they should have 2102 01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:23.840 introduced it right away, so. 2103 01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:28.279 Yeah, there's something there. There's some there, and like you said, 2104 01:39:28.319 --> 01:39:30.600 like there's always value to a game that's like good 2105 01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:32.720 on Switch or steam Deck, and you can just like 2106 01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:34.319 there's not a lot of like cut scenes that you 2107 01:39:34.479 --> 01:39:36.079 have to pay attention to, and you can just play 2108 01:39:36.079 --> 01:39:38.479 while you're watching something else, Like those are real bad 2109 01:39:38.520 --> 01:39:38.880 about it. 2110 01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:41.800 I just don't think I agree with you. Like if 2111 01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:43.920 I got really wicked stuck on a puzz I'd just 2112 01:39:43.960 --> 01:39:46.520 be like, blow it's over. Like I wouldn't. I'm gonna 2113 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:49.479 fight to finish this. But sure, I think the other 2114 01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:53.600 day I was playing, Oh my gosh, I was watching 2115 01:39:53.760 --> 01:40:00.319 that shark under in Paris, Shark in Paris? What oh, Harris? 2116 01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:04.239 And then there's a shark in this in this scene. 2117 01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:05.920 Documentary What. 2118 01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:09.760 Are you waiting? Is this a television show? Is this 2119 01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:10.119 something that? 2120 01:40:12.039 --> 01:40:16.800 Okay, yes, it's a documentary about like an actual around 2121 01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:17.760 And then they and. 2122 01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:24.960 Then a bunch of swimmers are swimming a competition, swimming 2123 01:40:25.079 --> 01:40:25.439 with all. 2124 01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:36.359 The sharks, the Daisy Ridley one right? Is it good? 2125 01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:40.439 No? Why are you talking about it? 2126 01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:43.119 Because that's what I was watching. I was watching when 2127 01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:47.479 I was playing Arranger, and I I could have played 2128 01:40:47.479 --> 01:40:51.520 a different game. I could have played more Dungeons of 2129 01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:56.600 Hinterberg or anything, and I played more Arranger because I 2130 01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:59.960 was like, this game is simple that that was my point. 2131 01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:01.399 I don't know why I brought up the Shark. 2132 01:41:05.039 --> 01:41:09.319 Dan. Yes, you played Kunitsugami Path of the Goddess. Is 2133 01:41:09.399 --> 01:41:11.840 this the one that's sort of pickman esque over the Lord? 2134 01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:14.039 I could see it. Yeah, yeah, because you get all 2135 01:41:14.079 --> 01:41:15.880 these villagers, you give them rolls and stuff, and you 2136 01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:18.199 kind of like order them around a map to do things. 2137 01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:20.199 So it's like, all right, you guys, go attack over here. 2138 01:41:20.640 --> 01:41:23.159 You are more defensive and you're gonna protect the lady here. 2139 01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:25.920 And it's kind of a wave based thing, so it's 2140 01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:28.600 like during the day you're kind of you're going around, 2141 01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:30.720 you're trying to purify all of this stuff, which like 2142 01:41:30.880 --> 01:41:33.079 dudes fall out of these evil plants and they become 2143 01:41:33.079 --> 01:41:36.359 your villagers, and so it's like resource management during the 2144 01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:38.479 day as you're trying to get this lady from point 2145 01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:41.359 A to point B, and then at night all these 2146 01:41:41.399 --> 01:41:43.039 demons come out and then you got to take your 2147 01:41:43.079 --> 01:41:45.920 villagers like okay, you're the woodcutter, so you're the melee dudes. 2148 01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:49.000 They go up and attack and then like you're the aesthetic, 2149 01:41:49.039 --> 01:41:50.880 you're the guy who slows everything down, and so we'll 2150 01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:52.720 put you in front of the lady so it'll slow 2151 01:41:52.760 --> 01:41:54.319 down all the demons so the woodcutters can get you. 2152 01:41:54.359 --> 01:41:56.800 And you're the archers, so I'm gonna place you up high. 2153 01:41:56.920 --> 01:42:00.560 And there's just so many little mechanic and stuff like 2154 01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:02.720 that where it's like there's night levels where you have 2155 01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:04.880 to light lanterns and you can only attack things in 2156 01:42:05.359 --> 01:42:06.960 the light, so you got to make sure all the 2157 01:42:07.079 --> 01:42:09.560 lanterns are lit before the demons come. And so it's 2158 01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:11.439 a lot of trial and I don't want to say 2159 01:42:11.439 --> 01:42:13.079 trial and error, it's a lot of like, Okay, I 2160 01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:15.840 failed this mission because I didn't realize there were going 2161 01:42:15.880 --> 01:42:17.640 to be this many flying enemies. So next time, I'm 2162 01:42:17.640 --> 01:42:21.840 going to turn more villagers into archers. And it's you know, 2163 01:42:21.960 --> 01:42:23.960 some good upgrade stuff in between. The loop is really 2164 01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:26.399 good because like you'll beat a level and that turns 2165 01:42:26.439 --> 01:42:29.079 into a base, and then you repair the base. So 2166 01:42:29.239 --> 01:42:32.560 like in between the combat things, you are going in 2167 01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:34.920 and you're assigning your villagers like okay, rebuild this thing, 2168 01:42:35.039 --> 01:42:37.560 do this. I'm leveling up my archer's here I'm using 2169 01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:41.520 these resources to level up, you know, different aspects of 2170 01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:44.479 the base and characters, and then you go into the 2171 01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:46.640 like I need to purify this area and in fight 2172 01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:49.079 all these enemies. So it is a weird mix of 2173 01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:53.479 like tower defense and like light RTS and then your 2174 01:42:53.640 --> 01:42:55.800 character it selvy like you have you know, X and 2175 01:42:55.960 --> 01:42:59.079 Y attacks like you would any you know, like Devil 2176 01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:01.239 may Cry type game or something, which I think I 2177 01:43:01.359 --> 01:43:03.039 thought this was going to be like a Devil May 2178 01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:06.199 Cry Bayonetta type game from the trailers. Yeah, and as 2179 01:43:06.279 --> 01:43:08.920 much as I love those games, I think I'm liking 2180 01:43:09.039 --> 01:43:10.920 this more than I expected to, just because it is 2181 01:43:11.680 --> 01:43:15.600 like wholly unique. It is I've not really played anything 2182 01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:18.039 like it. I could see the Pickman comparisons for sure, 2183 01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:21.760 but I don't know, like the light RTS tower defense 2184 01:43:21.800 --> 01:43:25.520 stuff is working for me. It's got some weird sorry ahead, 2185 01:43:28.640 --> 01:43:34.760 Oh yes, there are boss fights that like have weird 2186 01:43:34.800 --> 01:43:37.840 difficulty spikes. So it's like, Okay, this is pretty early 2187 01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:40.000 in the game for this giant centipede boss to be 2188 01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:42.760 like very specific with what I have to do to 2189 01:43:43.079 --> 01:43:44.960 beat it, and it's it's not really clear how I'm 2190 01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:49.359 damaging it. So it's it's kind of hard, but ultimately 2191 01:43:49.399 --> 01:43:51.800 I've liked it a lot. I think I'm gonna keep 2192 01:43:51.800 --> 01:43:53.479 going with it. I'm liking it more the more I 2193 01:43:53.600 --> 01:43:55.880 play it, and the more I kind of see the 2194 01:43:55.960 --> 01:43:58.680 loop and level up my characters. But it's it's a 2195 01:43:58.720 --> 01:44:01.520 really weird thing. So i'd say check out like a 2196 01:44:01.600 --> 01:44:05.119 trailer or just see, like watch one mission on YouTube 2197 01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:07.239 and see if it strikes your fancy because it's not 2198 01:44:07.319 --> 01:44:11.640 what I expected. I don't know. I'm not sure I'm 2199 01:44:11.640 --> 01:44:14.760 playing on Steam okay, which it's also if you are 2200 01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:18.439 playing on Steam Deck, it won't run great if you 2201 01:44:18.560 --> 01:44:21.600 just load it up, but switch it to thirty frames 2202 01:44:21.640 --> 01:44:25.319 a second, bring the refress rate down to thirty and 2203 01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:27.880 yeah yeah, change the end game step to thirty and 2204 01:44:28.119 --> 01:44:30.199 a couple other tweaks and it runs much better. So 2205 01:44:30.840 --> 01:44:32.239 but yeah, it's been it's been a fun one. 2206 01:44:34.279 --> 01:44:35.720 I'm looking at game pass for August. 2207 01:44:36.680 --> 01:44:40.079 Yeah, yeah, okay, I don't know why I assume that. 2208 01:44:40.199 --> 01:44:42.279 Crash Bandicoot Insane Trilogy. 2209 01:44:42.520 --> 01:44:43.399 It seems pretty good. 2210 01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:45.760 Boor Keeper, that's a good game. 2211 01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:49.720 Actually actually started Crash four on the plane. Oh I 2212 01:44:49.800 --> 01:44:51.479 need I'm goving to play more of that. Crash four. 2213 01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:52.920 I played like two levels of it, and its seem 2214 01:44:52.960 --> 01:44:53.359 pretty good. 2215 01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:55.319 I got a New York trip coming, so I'm gonna 2216 01:44:55.359 --> 01:44:56.760 need some good games as well. 2217 01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:01.600 I played it. Actually, the Dan talking about Kunitsu Gami 2218 01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:04.239 reminds me. Have you played Pickman four? No? 2219 01:45:05.279 --> 01:45:08.640 Not a Nintendo guy, really, but I thought you played 2220 01:45:08.640 --> 01:45:09.319 the first three? 2221 01:45:10.800 --> 01:45:10.840 No. 2222 01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:12.479 I try to stay away from Nintendo, so I don't 2223 01:45:12.479 --> 01:45:12.840 have a switch. 2224 01:45:13.600 --> 01:45:15.319 Have you played? Okay, I take it by your tone 2225 01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:16.279 you played Pigman four. 2226 01:45:17.880 --> 01:45:21.119 I get you're doing. You're doing a joking version of 2227 01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:25.199 the my actual brain thing. Okay, I see, yes, yes, 2228 01:45:25.279 --> 01:45:25.880 I understand it. 2229 01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:27.960 Just bringing up old wounds from our argument at the 2230 01:45:28.039 --> 01:45:29.399 end of the Game of the Year last year. 2231 01:45:29.680 --> 01:45:31.760 Oh oh, I thought you were making fun of me, 2232 01:45:31.880 --> 01:45:33.199 not knowing you like Total War. 2233 01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:37.119 It was a combination. Oh wow, speaking of wow jokes, 2234 01:45:37.279 --> 01:45:41.359 that's also a transition. What a pro I God, I'm 2235 01:45:41.439 --> 01:45:43.520 so good at this. I'm getting really good at hosting. 2236 01:45:43.760 --> 01:45:49.119 It just took eighty seven fucking episodes. I won't harpen's 2237 01:45:49.159 --> 01:45:50.600 too long. I know you guys tune out when I 2238 01:45:50.640 --> 01:45:52.960 talk about Total War. No, no, no, But for the people, 2239 01:45:52.960 --> 01:45:55.319 but for the people listening who are interested any four 2240 01:45:55.479 --> 01:45:58.680 x people. Total War Faraoh when it released last year 2241 01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:04.239 kind of it kind of fizzled out right away. It 2242 01:46:05.239 --> 01:46:08.319 was seen as not being super content rich. There were 2243 01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:11.920 just generally after the Warhammer trilogy, there wasn't like dragons 2244 01:46:11.960 --> 01:46:14.640 flying around and demons punching each other in the face 2245 01:46:14.680 --> 01:46:17.640 on the front line. So I think that combined with 2246 01:46:17.680 --> 01:46:20.520 the fact that people saw it as basically a saga title, 2247 01:46:20.560 --> 01:46:23.920 which is like the small one offs, they wrote it off. However, 2248 01:46:24.680 --> 01:46:29.560 Creative Assembly just released Dynasties, which is this huge free 2249 01:46:29.680 --> 01:46:34.960 update that's basically makes the world massive. It's now like 2250 01:46:35.199 --> 01:46:38.880 basically Total War Bronze Age in all but name. So 2251 01:46:38.960 --> 01:46:41.760 you have like Agamemnon in Myceni and Troy and you 2252 01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:46.079 can recreate their war, and then you have Mesopotamia and Egypt, 2253 01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:49.199 so it's basically everything around the Mediterranean right before the 2254 01:46:49.239 --> 01:46:52.039 collapse of the Bronze Age. They've added some really cool 2255 01:46:52.079 --> 01:46:54.960 stuff if you like Total War three Kingdoms. I actually 2256 01:46:55.000 --> 01:46:57.239 find myself doing much more on any given turn in 2257 01:46:57.359 --> 01:47:00.880 Dynasties than in Warhammer. I'm actually doing all the court 2258 01:47:01.000 --> 01:47:05.000 intrigue and gossip and rumors and plots you can assign 2259 01:47:05.119 --> 01:47:08.840 airs if like Agamemnon dies, this personal takeover the throne 2260 01:47:09.880 --> 01:47:11.920 kind of not quite as not nearly as deep as 2261 01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:15.359 Crusader Kings, but you know, same vein. There's just a 2262 01:47:15.439 --> 01:47:17.119 lot going on in this game. And if you're someone 2263 01:47:17.159 --> 01:47:19.880 who enjoys four X games where it's not just completely 2264 01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:23.920 combat focus, although that's a huge focus here, try out Dynasties. 2265 01:47:23.960 --> 01:47:26.560 If you own Pharaoh already and kind of wrote it 2266 01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:28.439 off and just kind of got bored with it, which 2267 01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:30.880 I did as well. They've also just added a bunch 2268 01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:34.159 of updates. It's huge now. It's basically the Immortal Empires 2269 01:47:34.520 --> 01:47:40.479 of Pharaoh. It's a massive map and I've I'm playing 2270 01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:44.520 as Agamemnon and Mental House and it's just it's one 2271 01:47:44.560 --> 01:47:47.399 of the better Total War historical titles. Now if you 2272 01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:48.880 wrote it off last year and you were hoping it 2273 01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:53.760 would be bigger, it's huge now. I've played a bunch 2274 01:47:53.760 --> 01:47:56.680 of it over the weekend and it it has be 2275 01:47:56.720 --> 01:47:58.720 hooked for sure as far as Total War. It's pulled 2276 01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:00.680 me away from Warhammer as far as Reggie games go, 2277 01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:06.560 which is saying something, but yeah, that's Total War. It's 2278 01:48:06.640 --> 01:48:08.439 just it shows up as a separate game in my 2279 01:48:08.479 --> 01:48:12.239 Steam library now, like you have to launch Total war Dynasties, 2280 01:48:12.359 --> 01:48:17.640 not just Total Warfare. Oh it's weird, Dan, I think 2281 01:48:17.680 --> 01:48:18.159 you had another. 2282 01:48:18.760 --> 01:48:21.479 I had a couple of kind of brief ones I 2283 01:48:21.560 --> 01:48:24.359 played at Tay. I'm sure I'm saying that right off 2284 01:48:24.399 --> 01:48:25.399 of Mary's recommendation. 2285 01:48:25.960 --> 01:48:26.119 Uh. 2286 01:48:26.520 --> 01:48:30.880 Mary, you made the comparison to Powerwash Simulator, which I 2287 01:48:31.159 --> 01:48:34.359 think is very apt, and I fucking love Powerwash Simulator. 2288 01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:38.119 One thing I really like about this is that, as 2289 01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:40.640 much as I love Powerwash, there's always that part of 2290 01:48:40.640 --> 01:48:42.880 the end where it's just like, okay, I'm at ninety 2291 01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:43.680 nine percent. 2292 01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:45.439 Were's some final thing. 2293 01:48:47.600 --> 01:48:51.520 I'm pad like, where's the fucking tire wad? It's going 2294 01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:53.119 to pop up at some point, but like that's not 2295 01:48:53.279 --> 01:48:55.319 fun for anyone. As much as I love that game, 2296 01:48:55.960 --> 01:48:59.119 this one is pretty generous and loose with like, all right, 2297 01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:01.439 there's a tree, I'm gonna like drag my paint thing 2298 01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:02.520 over it, and like you. 2299 01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:04.239 Give me moderately most of it. 2300 01:49:04.359 --> 01:49:04.800 It's just like. 2301 01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:07.479 Boore, I went over the trunk a little bit, I 2302 01:49:07.520 --> 01:49:10.920 got some leaves, Okay, boom, it's done. It's it's fantastic. Yeah, 2303 01:49:11.159 --> 01:49:13.399 And it's like it's got that same feeling where it's 2304 01:49:13.399 --> 01:49:15.119 like you know in Powerwaise should go into It's like, well, 2305 01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:17.239 that van's fucking filthy. I'm gonna clean the shit out 2306 01:49:17.239 --> 01:49:19.760 of that. Like this is like you walk into a 2307 01:49:19.840 --> 01:49:21.840 new area and it's like, oh, it's all black and white. 2308 01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:23.960 I'm gonna paint the shit out of this place white. 2309 01:49:24.479 --> 01:49:26.319 I can't wait to get in there. 2310 01:49:28.279 --> 01:49:31.159 It's going on the soundboard way too white. 2311 01:49:31.720 --> 01:49:35.079 Oh man, I'm gonna paint the ship out of this place. 2312 01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:37.039 What is this a fucking bakery? 2313 01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:41.039 Oh oh, there's all this little ship I get to paint. 2314 01:49:41.079 --> 01:49:41.920 This is gonna be awesome. 2315 01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:44.119 Oh my god, I'm I get the floor. 2316 01:49:45.159 --> 01:49:47.239 You don't have to like it's not like oh I 2317 01:49:47.319 --> 01:49:49.159 need to pick green from my thing. I need to 2318 01:49:49.199 --> 01:49:49.359 do this. 2319 01:49:49.560 --> 01:49:50.239 You just go in there. 2320 01:49:50.279 --> 01:49:52.640 You're just holding in RT and just look, you're just 2321 01:49:53.039 --> 01:49:53.960 spraying everywhere. 2322 01:49:54.279 --> 01:49:55.880 It's just all color hose. 2323 01:49:56.439 --> 01:50:03.079 Yes, it's very sad. It's oh we got some Sparrow's boom. 2324 01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:07.159 There you go, boom, No problem girl, the Hulu. 2325 01:50:11.279 --> 01:50:14.720 It's such a simple dumb thing to bring that much pleasure. 2326 01:50:14.760 --> 01:50:16.520 But like, seriously, every time I walk into an area, 2327 01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:18.319 I'm like, oh, let's go here we go, Like it's 2328 01:50:18.800 --> 01:50:21.399 it's very very nice, and I've played it on a plane. 2329 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:25.000 It's good for that. I haven't done enough to really 2330 01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:27.760 know the full like loop yet. I did some Stuffhe's like, Okay, 2331 01:50:27.800 --> 01:50:29.119 I made a painting and then I go to the 2332 01:50:29.159 --> 01:50:31.119 cafe and I'm putting up for auction and stuff like that. 2333 01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:35.479 So yeah, I'm still early on. But like out of 2334 01:50:35.479 --> 01:50:37.439 the ones, I've tried a bunch of games in the 2335 01:50:37.600 --> 01:50:40.560 last two weeks and like kind of been like ify 2336 01:50:40.640 --> 01:50:42.720 on them, like you know, the Hinterberg's Derangers things like that. 2337 01:50:43.119 --> 01:50:45.159 This is one where I'm like, Okay, this is going 2338 01:50:45.239 --> 01:50:46.840 like this is going to be in that home screen 2339 01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:48.239 of the steam deck for the next flight. You know, 2340 01:50:48.239 --> 01:50:49.399 I'm definitely gonna come back to this. 2341 01:50:50.439 --> 01:50:54.159 I think it's worth having in your in your docket, 2342 01:50:54.479 --> 01:50:57.840 right because there's several things that it scratches in my brain, 2343 01:50:57.920 --> 01:51:02.399 which is like also cow usual watching TV. Just need 2344 01:51:02.520 --> 01:51:05.399 something like passively. You do not have to think about this. 2345 01:51:05.560 --> 01:51:09.359 This is a very casual experience. It's very fun. The 2346 01:51:09.479 --> 01:51:13.600 creativity is quite deep. I was amazed with how much 2347 01:51:13.960 --> 01:51:16.359 my paintings are probably very different than you. I actually 2348 01:51:16.840 --> 01:51:19.520 I would love could you send me some of your paintings, 2349 01:51:19.600 --> 01:51:21.760 like to screenshot them or like your first. 2350 01:51:21.560 --> 01:51:23.760 One, because I can once i'm doing them, because like 2351 01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:26.039 I am early on. So mine was just like I'm 2352 01:51:26.079 --> 01:51:29.800 following the instructions. I'm like, there's a bird, like, okay, 2353 01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:33.079 I flip the bird, I resize it. There's another bird, Okay, 2354 01:51:33.079 --> 01:51:35.239 I paint in the background. Here you go, sell it well, 2355 01:51:35.439 --> 01:51:39.079 minimalist are well. Once I get a little further in, 2356 01:51:39.159 --> 01:51:40.000 then maybe I'll send you some. 2357 01:51:40.640 --> 01:51:43.000 I'd like to see what dan art looks like compared 2358 01:51:43.039 --> 01:51:45.359 to my art. I have had a lot of fun 2359 01:51:45.439 --> 01:51:48.439 with it. You'll also get when you talk to people, 2360 01:51:48.520 --> 01:51:52.560 they will give you requests for paintings, and so someone 2361 01:51:52.600 --> 01:51:55.279 will be like, I would really love it if you 2362 01:51:55.399 --> 01:51:59.479 could have a bug and a bird and a cat 2363 01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:01.920 to show like a little bit of the food chain 2364 01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:02.720 type situation. 2365 01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:03.239 Okay. 2366 01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:05.119 And then I went harder and was like and here's 2367 01:52:05.159 --> 01:52:07.560 a person and here's like you know, like it's just 2368 01:52:07.600 --> 01:52:09.960 like we eat them and they eat them and it's 2369 01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:11.920 all circle. And like I was like going crazy with 2370 01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:15.840 like the con conceptualizing what my art was going to 2371 01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:18.479 be and mean, and then it's just like a bunch 2372 01:52:18.520 --> 01:52:20.479 of stamps, but I really enjoyed doing it. 2373 01:52:20.800 --> 01:52:22.479 I love things like that where it's like, you know, 2374 01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:25.680 the game isn't recognizing what you're doing, it's not appreciating 2375 01:52:25.760 --> 01:52:27.399 what you're doing, but like it's just fun for you 2376 01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:29.039 to be like, Oh, I wonder how far I can 2377 01:52:29.119 --> 01:52:31.159 take this concept for your own enjoyment. 2378 01:52:31.640 --> 01:52:34.520 I've made some real piles in that game as well, 2379 01:52:34.720 --> 01:52:37.199 just to see if it did lower the cost, And 2380 01:52:37.319 --> 01:52:39.479 every time I would hang up my art, they'd be like, oh, 2381 01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:41.359 this is going to go quick, and I'm like, you, 2382 01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:46.319 stupid bitch, go ahead, buy it. It's all brown. I 2383 01:52:46.479 --> 01:52:49.159 didn't even put anything on there, but go for it. 2384 01:52:50.479 --> 01:52:54.199 But yeah, good recommendation any e. The Powerwash it's a 2385 01:52:54.319 --> 01:52:58.119 very different style of game than Powerwash, but the same 2386 01:52:58.199 --> 01:52:59.039 type of satisfaction. 2387 01:52:59.159 --> 01:53:02.600 So far from when I played, there's an abundance of 2388 01:53:03.079 --> 01:53:08.880 like games lately, small games, double a sized stuff floweth over. 2389 01:53:09.399 --> 01:53:11.359 Yeah, I just for the second time didn't even mention like, 2390 01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:13.600 I'm still playing a ton of ANYS World Championship. I'm 2391 01:53:13.680 --> 01:53:15.520 playing retro stuff a lot. You know. It's just like 2392 01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:17.399 there's a lot of stuff, but I feel like I've 2393 01:53:17.439 --> 01:53:20.119 been waiting for that one that like, I'm really like, okay, 2394 01:53:20.239 --> 01:53:21.560 I'm going all the way on this one. You know, 2395 01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:23.760 I know Astrobot's coming in like a month. That's definitely 2396 01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:26.279 going to be one I think for now, I think 2397 01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:28.600 Heist is that one that like got it toaks In, 2398 01:53:29.359 --> 01:53:30.760 and I hope that kind of keeps me going for 2399 01:53:31.119 --> 01:53:32.239 you know, at least a couple of weeks while I'm 2400 01:53:32.239 --> 01:53:32.960 waiting for Astrobot. 2401 01:53:34.720 --> 01:53:37.960 All Right, you guys want to do emails? Sure, Okay. 2402 01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:40.359 As usual, you can run into firescape cast at gmail 2403 01:53:40.439 --> 01:53:45.560 dot com with questions, comments, concerns. Send in your questions. 2404 01:53:45.800 --> 01:53:47.880 I've been getting a bunch, but we can always have 2405 01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:52.479 some more to keep the tank full. Dan, do you 2406 01:53:52.560 --> 01:53:55.520 want to read this first one that was basically addressed 2407 01:53:55.520 --> 01:53:58.319 to you from uh Andrew. 2408 01:53:58.359 --> 01:54:03.439 From yesxus hell y'all. Stray elderly jack Russell terrier followed 2409 01:54:03.479 --> 01:54:05.600 me home in twenty nineteen. It has been with me since. 2410 01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:08.640 I named him Humphrey because he likes to hump. His 2411 01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:11.760 favorite targets are human body parts, including my wife's neck, 2412 01:54:12.199 --> 01:54:16.000 my other dog, Toner, blankets, and absolutely nothing. He likes 2413 01:54:16.039 --> 01:54:18.359 to hump the air. Just thought Dan would get a 2414 01:54:18.399 --> 01:54:21.279 kick out of that. Oh and another thing. Shortly after 2415 01:54:21.319 --> 01:54:23.960 I took him in, he was diagnosed with pulmonary hyphpertension 2416 01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:27.319 and put on, of all things, Viagra. I had a small, 2417 01:54:27.720 --> 01:54:31.760 elderly horny dog running around with biagra pumping through his veins. 2418 01:54:32.159 --> 01:54:34.720 As a wise Dan once said, dogs are awesome. 2419 01:54:35.159 --> 01:54:36.119 Dogs are awesome. 2420 01:54:36.479 --> 01:54:40.439 Yeah, dogs living a life good for him. 2421 01:54:41.079 --> 01:54:45.319 Andrew from San Antonio, Texas. First of all, thank you 2422 01:54:45.479 --> 01:54:50.720 for rescuing an elderly Jack Russell Terrier. That's very cool 2423 01:54:50.800 --> 01:54:55.399 of you. Rescuing older dogs is very rad and dogs 2424 01:54:55.439 --> 01:54:55.880 are awesome. 2425 01:54:56.640 --> 01:54:59.600 They really are. Just every single day, just seeing Razor 2426 01:54:59.600 --> 01:55:01.479 and Gizmu, I'm just doing something weird and cute and 2427 01:55:01.680 --> 01:55:03.800 just like, God, damn it, I'm so glad you live here. 2428 01:55:04.319 --> 01:55:04.560 Dude. 2429 01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:07.720 Simon is becoming such a piece of shit in his 2430 01:55:07.840 --> 01:55:11.479 old age. Today we have a hole in our fence 2431 01:55:11.680 --> 01:55:15.479 and today I opened the back door to let him out. 2432 01:55:15.600 --> 01:55:19.239 He has a very you know, strong system. It's I 2433 01:55:19.319 --> 01:55:21.359 eat breakfast and then I go out and shit and 2434 01:55:21.479 --> 01:55:23.520 then I'm ready to start my day. And he's very 2435 01:55:23.600 --> 01:55:25.800 regular and I know it. I know at the back 2436 01:55:25.840 --> 01:55:29.000 of my hand, and so I let him out. He 2437 01:55:29.199 --> 01:55:32.800 sniffs around. He heads towards the fence, which we both 2438 01:55:32.920 --> 01:55:35.359 know he's not allowed to go through, and I said hey, 2439 01:55:36.119 --> 01:55:38.840 and he looked right at me. And then he walks 2440 01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:41.920 towards the hole and I said hey. He looks right 2441 01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:45.760 at me, very clearly understood that I said hey, no, 2442 01:55:46.840 --> 01:55:48.640 and he went right through that hole and he's shit 2443 01:55:48.680 --> 01:55:49.479 in our neighbor's yard. 2444 01:55:51.640 --> 01:55:53.359 I love the moments where you can tell your dog 2445 01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:55.479 is like, no, I am choosing to not give a 2446 01:55:55.479 --> 01:55:56.680 shit about what you're saying right now. 2447 01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:59.319 Yeah, you can see them like decide that they don't 2448 01:55:59.399 --> 01:56:00.680 care for that brief moment. 2449 01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:02.600 Yeah, there's no consequence here, I'm just gonna do it. 2450 01:56:02.760 --> 01:56:05.399 Yeah, that's a cat thing very much. So that's funny. 2451 01:56:05.479 --> 01:56:07.520 It's funny when dogs do it because dogs are so 2452 01:56:07.640 --> 01:56:11.520 much more like uh, apparently cats. And I don't know 2453 01:56:11.800 --> 01:56:13.880 any of this for a fact, but supposedly I was 2454 01:56:13.920 --> 01:56:17.359 seeing that cats don't feel guilt. That's why they're very 2455 01:56:17.439 --> 01:56:20.720 hard to say, like when they do something wrong, you 2456 01:56:20.800 --> 01:56:25.640 can't then like shame them because they feel no shame. Yeah, 2457 01:56:25.680 --> 01:56:27.640 it's like they don't feel guilt. They don't attach what 2458 01:56:27.760 --> 01:56:29.399 they just did to what you're saying to them, whereas 2459 01:56:29.479 --> 01:56:32.079 dogs people seen like dogs put their ears down and 2460 01:56:32.159 --> 01:56:34.119 then like look down at the ground. They feel shame. 2461 01:56:34.199 --> 01:56:34.520 For sure. 2462 01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:36.279 You could tell even if you don't yell at them. 2463 01:56:36.319 --> 01:56:38.199 It's like every once in a while, like the dogs 2464 01:56:38.239 --> 01:56:40.640 are our dogs are usually really well trained with stuff, 2465 01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:43.279 but like we'll like see Gizmo AND's like, why are 2466 01:56:43.399 --> 01:56:46.439 you behind that chair that I've never seen you behind? 2467 01:56:46.600 --> 01:56:49.000 And you were like ducking your head down, and it's like, oh, 2468 01:56:49.119 --> 01:56:51.039 you fucking did something. And then you'll like walk into 2469 01:56:51.079 --> 01:56:53.000 a room and he's tipped over a trash can and 2470 01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:55.159 there's shit everywhere. It's like, oh, okay, shit on the 2471 01:56:55.159 --> 01:56:55.800 floor or something. 2472 01:56:57.359 --> 01:57:01.560 This one not only did he shit while looking at 2473 01:57:01.640 --> 01:57:05.119 me knowing that he wasn't allowed to be over there. Afterwards, 2474 01:57:05.520 --> 01:57:09.840 he walked up their stairs to their back patio and 2475 01:57:10.760 --> 01:57:13.600 there's a privacy thing, so I couldn't see what he 2476 01:57:13.680 --> 01:57:15.680 was doing, and I was calling his name and he 2477 01:57:15.800 --> 01:57:20.119 wouldn't come over. And there's no way into my neighbor's yard. 2478 01:57:20.279 --> 01:57:22.760 Their fence does not have an owl, so and the 2479 01:57:22.840 --> 01:57:24.680 hole was too small for me to get through. Plus 2480 01:57:24.720 --> 01:57:26.800 there was shit on the ground, so I had to 2481 01:57:26.960 --> 01:57:28.640 go this is like eight in the morning. I had 2482 01:57:28.640 --> 01:57:30.880 to go to my neighbor's house, knock on their front 2483 01:57:30.960 --> 01:57:34.680 door and be like, Hi, I'm sorry, my dog is 2484 01:57:34.840 --> 01:57:36.840 in your backyard. He also pooped, and I had to 2485 01:57:36.960 --> 01:57:39.720 go into their house in the very beginning of the morning. 2486 01:57:39.760 --> 01:57:42.680 Everyone's getting ready. They have a kid who's like in school, 2487 01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:45.239 and everyone's like getting their backpacks on, and I'm going 2488 01:57:45.359 --> 01:57:48.680 into the backyard and picking up my stupid dog and 2489 01:57:49.359 --> 01:57:51.600 leaving and being like, I'm so sorry. And I's like 2490 01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:53.319 put like a piece of wood in front of the hole. 2491 01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:56.239 He's such an idiot. Anyway, I love dogs, Yeah, they're 2492 01:57:56.239 --> 01:57:56.600 the best. 2493 01:57:57.239 --> 01:57:59.800 This is Daisy, like literally right now as we speak. 2494 01:58:00.159 --> 01:58:02.279 Can you see that she's drinking out of like her 2495 01:58:02.319 --> 01:58:06.039 face halfway in a glass? That? Yeah, our tongue is 2496 01:58:06.159 --> 01:58:11.680 very long. All right, Well, thank you and Andrew. Uh Mary, 2497 01:58:11.720 --> 01:58:13.119 do you want to read this one from our friend 2498 01:58:13.159 --> 01:58:14.319 Wes who writes in often. 2499 01:58:14.680 --> 01:58:18.439 Sure, Hey, what's a TV show movie that you swear by? 2500 01:58:18.600 --> 01:58:20.319 But it seems like you're the only person that has 2501 01:58:20.359 --> 01:58:22.800 ever watched it. There was a TV show on Amazon 2502 01:58:22.920 --> 01:58:25.279 years ago called red Oaks. It was set in a 2503 01:58:25.319 --> 01:58:27.199 country club in New Jersey in the eighties. It was 2504 01:58:27.239 --> 01:58:29.600 about kids in their late teens early twenties who worked 2505 01:58:29.640 --> 01:58:33.039 over there this summer. The adults were played by Gina Gershon, 2506 01:58:33.720 --> 01:58:37.880 Jennifer ray Gray, Richard Kind, and Paul Riser. It wasn't 2507 01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:40.720 life changing, but it was really enjoyable. Thanks Wes from Baltimore. 2508 01:58:40.800 --> 01:58:41.159 Thanks Wes. 2509 01:58:43.600 --> 01:58:46.119 I have one that I've never heard anyone talk about ever. 2510 01:58:46.279 --> 01:58:48.600 It was from like the mid two thousands on Comedy Central. 2511 01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:51.680 It was called dog Bites Man, and it was kind 2512 01:58:51.680 --> 01:58:54.520 of that you know, does that sound familiar. 2513 01:58:54.960 --> 01:58:56.159 I I'm going to look it up. 2514 01:58:56.279 --> 01:58:57.319 I know what this is. 2515 01:58:58.039 --> 01:58:59.520 So it was like, you know how like you know, 2516 01:58:59.640 --> 01:59:02.199 Ali and Borat and like that style of just like, okay, 2517 01:59:02.319 --> 01:59:05.359 we're presenting ourselves as like this actual interviewer or whatever, 2518 01:59:05.479 --> 01:59:07.800 like with people that don't know that it's like for 2519 01:59:07.880 --> 01:59:09.520 a comedy show. It was that, but they were like 2520 01:59:09.560 --> 01:59:12.720 a local news team. And it was Zach Galapanakis, like 2521 01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:15.199 I think before he was super is way you know, 2522 01:59:15.279 --> 01:59:17.479 several years pre Hangover and stuff like that, so he 2523 01:59:17.560 --> 01:59:19.119 was just kind of like a comic at that point. 2524 01:59:19.720 --> 01:59:22.279 Matt Walash that was on a UCB and Daily Show 2525 01:59:22.319 --> 01:59:25.159 and stuff. So yeah, it was like this foursome basically 2526 01:59:25.279 --> 01:59:27.640 of like a fake local news team that would go 2527 01:59:27.800 --> 01:59:30.199 to like spring break and stuff, and it's just a 2528 01:59:30.239 --> 01:59:32.840 bunch of people assuming that they're like, oh, here's the 2529 01:59:32.920 --> 01:59:34.920 local news is here, and they're just getting a bunch 2530 01:59:34.960 --> 01:59:37.600 of interviews. But they were all like, you know, really 2531 01:59:37.640 --> 01:59:41.520 good improv actors, and I just remember being super fucking funny. Yeah, 2532 01:59:41.840 --> 01:59:44.239 and no one ever talked about it. I don't even 2533 01:59:44.279 --> 01:59:45.840 know if it's still funny. I don't know if there's 2534 01:59:45.840 --> 01:59:48.079 anywhere you can watch it. I just remember thinking it 2535 01:59:48.199 --> 01:59:49.479 was funny as hell in college. 2536 01:59:51.000 --> 01:59:53.319 That's so funny because one of the things you showed 2537 01:59:53.319 --> 01:59:56.399 me when I went over to your house was that YouTuber. 2538 01:59:56.039 --> 01:59:58.880 Who's basically like a the Channel five stuff. 2539 01:59:59.479 --> 02:00:04.199 Yeah, interviews people who are like really drunk all the time, 2540 02:00:04.399 --> 02:00:06.199 and that's not too far off. 2541 02:00:07.119 --> 02:00:07.880 I guess it's similar. 2542 02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:08.199 Yeah. 2543 02:00:08.239 --> 02:00:10.479 He was definitely posing as like he called himself Channel 2544 02:00:10.560 --> 02:00:13.399 five because it just sounded generic enough, and he was 2545 02:00:13.439 --> 02:00:15.079 just kind of playing the straight man and just letting 2546 02:00:15.159 --> 02:00:18.119 people in the parking lot of a fish concert or 2547 02:00:18.159 --> 02:00:20.720 something like, Okay, the comedy is coming from what these 2548 02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:23.239 insane people are saying and doing, So yeah, I guess 2549 02:00:24.800 --> 02:00:27.000 this is on Comedy Central dog Bites, Dog Bites Man. 2550 02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:30.880 Yeah, classic Comedy Central fodder. 2551 02:00:31.520 --> 02:00:32.239 I loved it. 2552 02:00:32.399 --> 02:00:38.359 Yeah, I have two Neither of them are comedies, but 2553 02:00:39.800 --> 02:00:42.199 first one. And I know now that i'm I was 2554 02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:44.079 definitely not the only person to watch this, But I 2555 02:00:44.159 --> 02:00:49.520 remember for years I would always be telling my friends 2556 02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:51.720 who were into Star Wars, like, you gotta watch Gendy 2557 02:00:51.800 --> 02:00:57.000 Tarkowski's Clone Wars animated series. Not mind you, the Clone Wars. 2558 02:00:57.039 --> 02:01:01.439 I think most people associate now the long running series. 2559 02:01:01.600 --> 02:01:06.319 This was a short mini series on Cartoon Network. In 2560 02:01:08.479 --> 02:01:12.680 year was this, I was fairly young, It was two 2561 02:01:12.680 --> 02:01:16.600 thousand and three to two thousand and five, and Gandy 2562 02:01:16.680 --> 02:01:25.319 Tarkowski did Samurai Jack Dexter's Laboratory, Symbionic Titan, Primal, Unicorn Warriors, Eternal. 2563 02:01:25.359 --> 02:01:30.159 So like some pretty like top tier underappreciated animated action 2564 02:01:30.439 --> 02:01:35.279 stuff or like some comedy, but like just really good animation, 2565 02:01:35.520 --> 02:01:38.199 and that's when like my first time seeing some like 2566 02:01:38.399 --> 02:01:41.680 Arctroopers from Star Wars. It was just an incredibly well 2567 02:01:41.760 --> 02:01:45.640 choreographed animated mini series about Star Wars. And it took 2568 02:01:45.680 --> 02:01:47.640 me forever to really piece it together that it was 2569 02:01:47.840 --> 02:01:50.119 the same Gandy Tarkowski who had done those other shows. 2570 02:01:50.199 --> 02:01:54.760 Because then, of course, like a more civilized age, the 2571 02:01:54.840 --> 02:01:57.399 podcast that Austin Walker and other people do, they talked 2572 02:01:57.399 --> 02:01:58.720 about it, so I was like, oh, okay, so I'm 2573 02:01:58.760 --> 02:02:00.680 not the only one who remembers that, of course, but 2574 02:02:00.840 --> 02:02:03.439 I remember for a while I would just talk to 2575 02:02:03.520 --> 02:02:05.199 friends who like Star Wars, like did you ever watch 2576 02:02:05.239 --> 02:02:08.800 that weird like three season thing on Cartoon Network And 2577 02:02:08.960 --> 02:02:12.119 these episodes were like six minutes apiece or something weird. 2578 02:02:12.199 --> 02:02:14.359 It was great. You can watch them online now easily 2579 02:02:14.439 --> 02:02:17.960 on YouTube. They're well worth like a lunch break or something. 2580 02:02:18.920 --> 02:02:22.279 And then my other one. I got to look up 2581 02:02:22.279 --> 02:02:24.680 when this was, but I remember being very excited for it. 2582 02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:28.600 It was a show called The Black Donale's. Does that 2583 02:02:28.760 --> 02:02:29.479 ring a bell at all? 2584 02:02:30.640 --> 02:02:31.479 What's the genre? 2585 02:02:32.760 --> 02:02:36.640 Basically it was following the hype around The Departed and 2586 02:02:36.680 --> 02:02:39.319 they were trying to make a TV show that was similar. 2587 02:02:39.880 --> 02:02:42.920 It was one season, got discontinued in two thousand and seven, 2588 02:02:43.760 --> 02:02:50.520 and if you're looking at the cast, you will notice, 2589 02:02:51.359 --> 02:02:53.159 like I don't know, google The Black Donali's you could 2590 02:02:53.159 --> 02:02:55.279 see the red and black like Olivia Wilde was in it. 2591 02:02:55.880 --> 02:02:59.680 It's basically, these four brothers in Boston takeover like the 2592 02:03:00.000 --> 02:03:04.319 Irish Mob, and one of them is played by a 2593 02:03:04.439 --> 02:03:08.399 grown up Smalls from Samlot, which is very funny to me. 2594 02:03:08.520 --> 02:03:10.920 But I remember being so excited for that show because 2595 02:03:10.960 --> 02:03:13.399 I was this like Irish Catholic kid growing up, had 2596 02:03:13.479 --> 02:03:19.600 just seen The Departed, was amped, you know, fucking Boondock 2597 02:03:19.640 --> 02:03:22.520 Saints was still in my blood. So I was ready 2598 02:03:22.560 --> 02:03:25.079 for the Black Farmlies. And they discontinued after one season. 2599 02:03:25.520 --> 02:03:27.239 I don't know if I don't remember whether I liked 2600 02:03:27.239 --> 02:03:28.680 it or not, but I remember it was just like 2601 02:03:28.800 --> 02:03:29.680 short lived. 2602 02:03:34.199 --> 02:03:38.039 Some from my childhood that I actually do. Think people 2603 02:03:38.199 --> 02:03:39.920 know what these are, but I don't give a shit. 2604 02:03:40.600 --> 02:03:43.479 These are like my favorites when I was young. Garfield 2605 02:03:43.560 --> 02:03:48.760 and Friends Ultimate Cartoon. Joy watch it again. It's still good. 2606 02:03:48.920 --> 02:03:51.760 It still holds up with the US Acres stuff, with 2607 02:03:51.920 --> 02:03:55.119 the farm and the eggs are Yeah. 2608 02:03:55.600 --> 02:03:57.560 I never cared for the farm as much as I 2609 02:03:57.760 --> 02:04:00.880 liked the Garfield bits, but I the egg yeah, of 2610 02:04:00.920 --> 02:04:05.560 course they were. But just the Odie and normal. You 2611 02:04:05.680 --> 02:04:09.000 can't have you heard of this guy, This Garfield guy, he's. 2612 02:04:08.920 --> 02:04:13.880 Hilarious me or whatever. But like Garfield, like genuinely, like 2613 02:04:14.319 --> 02:04:16.279 liked the comic as a kid and like had the book. 2614 02:04:16.319 --> 02:04:18.800 Its like Garfield, Parside, and Calvin and Hobbes were the 2615 02:04:18.840 --> 02:04:20.600 ones I had so good. 2616 02:04:20.560 --> 02:04:23.720 Calvin Hobbs still what like to this day, I reread 2617 02:04:23.760 --> 02:04:24.840 them every once in a while when I go back 2618 02:04:24.840 --> 02:04:26.640 to my parents or I have several of them here 2619 02:04:27.600 --> 02:04:31.319 still to this day. Some of the most like like 2620 02:04:32.199 --> 02:04:35.359 what's the word I'm looking for? Just insightful storytelling even 2621 02:04:35.359 --> 02:04:37.680 though it's about a kid an imaginary friend. They like 2622 02:04:38.199 --> 02:04:42.800 Bill Waters or Bill Watterson just completely understands like what 2623 02:04:42.920 --> 02:04:44.359 it's like to be a kid. But I also a 2624 02:04:44.439 --> 02:04:46.760 father and stuff. Not that I'm a dad, but an adult. 2625 02:04:46.840 --> 02:04:51.880 We'll say, I feel like I'm cheating because I don't 2626 02:04:51.880 --> 02:04:54.520 think these are hidden or unknown. They're just like really 2627 02:04:54.680 --> 02:04:55.079 good things. 2628 02:04:55.159 --> 02:04:55.560 I like that. 2629 02:04:55.640 --> 02:05:00.960 I don't see people talk about anymore Batman beyond Batman, 2630 02:05:01.079 --> 02:05:02.800 but he's in the future and he's a kid now, 2631 02:05:03.000 --> 02:05:06.000 so like Batman's old and now, the new Batman is 2632 02:05:06.039 --> 02:05:08.479 like a young kid that he's training, and it's kind 2633 02:05:08.520 --> 02:05:10.279 of like set in a futuristic Gotham. 2634 02:05:10.880 --> 02:05:12.720 Huh so cartoon. 2635 02:05:13.680 --> 02:05:18.000 Yes, this was definitely like in the cartoon series World 2636 02:05:18.520 --> 02:05:21.399 that I watched on the television. I was obsessed with 2637 02:05:21.479 --> 02:05:23.920 this show. I think it's phenomenal. I don't really feel 2638 02:05:23.960 --> 02:05:25.800 like anyone talks about it. I don't know if anybody 2639 02:05:25.880 --> 02:05:28.199 watches it, because no one ever really brings it up anymore. 2640 02:05:28.399 --> 02:05:30.720 But I think it was the most brilliant interpretation of 2641 02:05:30.880 --> 02:05:32.760 Batman that I had seen in a really long time. 2642 02:05:33.159 --> 02:05:37.000 Because like Bruce is old, and he's got like a 2643 02:05:37.119 --> 02:05:39.439 computer system, and he's just like teaching this youngling like 2644 02:05:39.520 --> 02:05:40.079 how to do it. 2645 02:05:40.760 --> 02:05:40.920 Huh. 2646 02:05:41.680 --> 02:05:45.640 It's neat indifferent nice. I don't think he's looking unknown, 2647 02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:46.439 but I think it's good. 2648 02:05:47.680 --> 02:05:50.840 I was just looking for Bill Watterson's new book that 2649 02:05:50.920 --> 02:05:52.720 he did his first in like twenty years. 2650 02:05:53.680 --> 02:05:54.079 I have it. 2651 02:05:54.119 --> 02:05:56.199 It's called The Mysteries. I thought I was on this bookshelf. 2652 02:05:56.399 --> 02:05:58.279 That's an actual book, like a comic thing. 2653 02:05:58.720 --> 02:06:02.760 Uh, it's an illus traded book. It's very hard to describe. 2654 02:06:02.880 --> 02:06:05.000 Just look up The Mysteries Bill Watterson. It came out 2655 02:06:05.079 --> 02:06:12.640 last year. It is weird. It's like creepy photographs and 2656 02:06:12.800 --> 02:06:18.159 then he's writing like really archaic poetry to it. I 2657 02:06:19.039 --> 02:06:21.760 really can't explain it. If it's nothing like Kevin Hobbs. 2658 02:06:21.760 --> 02:06:24.000 If you had not told me it was Bill Waters, 2659 02:06:24.079 --> 02:06:25.560 if his name was not on the cover, I would 2660 02:06:25.600 --> 02:06:28.520 never know it's him. But right as usual, Thank you, Wes, 2661 02:06:28.800 --> 02:06:29.119 I love you. 2662 02:06:29.199 --> 02:06:32.359 There are one more quick one. It's the Onion had 2663 02:06:32.399 --> 02:06:34.800 a very brief period, like a decade ago when they 2664 02:06:34.800 --> 02:06:37.079 wanted to do scripted stuff and they did a series 2665 02:06:37.119 --> 02:06:39.399 called Sex House and you watch this. 2666 02:06:40.479 --> 02:06:42.079 We talked about that a game spot a lot. 2667 02:06:42.399 --> 02:06:44.640 Yes, you can watch the whole thing in like an hour. 2668 02:06:44.880 --> 02:06:47.640 There's like I'm looking at it now, ten episodes and 2669 02:06:47.680 --> 02:06:50.159 they're all like seven minutes long, So just sit down 2670 02:06:50.239 --> 02:06:52.479 and watch the entire Sex House playlist. It's just a 2671 02:06:52.560 --> 02:06:56.000 parody of like it's actually still these shows exist, even 2672 02:06:56.039 --> 02:06:57.720 more so now where it's like we put all these 2673 02:06:57.720 --> 02:07:00.239 people together and they're gonna fuck, but it's like there 2674 02:07:00.279 --> 02:07:02.880 are all these like massive oversights, like they just put 2675 02:07:02.960 --> 02:07:05.039 like one gay guy in the house and he's like 2676 02:07:05.119 --> 02:07:07.520 this is a massive oversight on the producer's part, like 2677 02:07:08.119 --> 02:07:10.439 what am I doing here? And then there's one older 2678 02:07:10.520 --> 02:07:13.800 married guy that won a Tombstone pizza contest like Peter. 2679 02:07:15.039 --> 02:07:18.760 Then there's a virgin. It's just like the food situation 2680 02:07:18.960 --> 02:07:21.119 is terrible. The house is like he did all fucked up. 2681 02:07:21.279 --> 02:07:23.840 It just turns into this like very surreal, weird thing 2682 02:07:24.039 --> 02:07:26.840 very quickly. But I think it's sex house. Yes, sex 2683 02:07:26.880 --> 02:07:31.039 house lot. Yeah, welcome to sex House. Yeah, welcome to 2684 02:07:31.159 --> 02:07:35.239 sex House. It's incredible. Yes, I love. 2685 02:07:35.359 --> 02:07:37.479 I love when before they cut to the guy, the 2686 02:07:37.520 --> 02:07:39.680 gay guy, saying like this is a huge oversight. You 2687 02:07:39.720 --> 02:07:41.279 can see him like slowly in. 2688 02:07:41.800 --> 02:07:43.600 The role, like ting in the room. 2689 02:07:43.800 --> 02:07:47.000 He's like kind of feeling the people out. He's like, ah, so, 2690 02:07:48.079 --> 02:07:49.600 who do you have your eyes on? And all of 2691 02:07:49.680 --> 02:07:51.520 them said someone of the opposite sex, and that's it. 2692 02:07:51.640 --> 02:07:54.239 And he's like, okay, there's six people in the house. 2693 02:07:54.359 --> 02:07:56.159 One of them is an old married guy. They're all 2694 02:07:56.199 --> 02:07:58.479 clearly stressed. He's like, what the fuck are you thinking? 2695 02:07:58.680 --> 02:08:02.159 Yeah, I got it. Holds up if I remember, right, 2696 02:08:02.479 --> 02:08:05.039 Whenever you get like two hours, watch sex House and 2697 02:08:05.439 --> 02:08:07.039 the Clone Wars by Gandy Tarkouse. 2698 02:08:07.159 --> 02:08:08.319 They're basically the same show. 2699 02:08:08.680 --> 02:08:12.279 Yeah, all right, thank you, Wes. All right, I'll read 2700 02:08:12.319 --> 02:08:15.479 this one from Jeff high Fire Gang. I'm very behind 2701 02:08:15.479 --> 02:08:17.119 and catching up on your podcast, and I'm currently on 2702 02:08:17.199 --> 02:08:19.880 episode seventy one, where Mary discussed at length how great 2703 02:08:19.920 --> 02:08:21.960 the thing is and said that there's no way of 2704 02:08:22.000 --> 02:08:23.560 telling who was infected at the end of the movie. 2705 02:08:24.079 --> 02:08:25.960 In two thousand and two, a video game sequel came 2706 02:08:25.960 --> 02:08:29.119 out that reveals that mcretty and Child's were not infected. 2707 02:08:29.319 --> 02:08:31.680 Child's dies off screen between the events of the movie 2708 02:08:31.720 --> 02:08:33.359 and the game, and the player character teams up with 2709 02:08:33.399 --> 02:08:34.880 mccretty at the end of the game to fight the 2710 02:08:34.920 --> 02:08:39.399 final boss. What. I don't think that game is technically cannon, but. 2711 02:08:39.640 --> 02:08:41.720 It might be like one of those Aliens Colonial Marines 2712 02:08:41.760 --> 02:08:43.680 thing where they marketed it as like, oh, it's this 2713 02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:46.279 is totally can but then it comes down man, not 2714 02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:47.000 really you know. 2715 02:08:47.520 --> 02:08:51.279 Yeah, but bonus question, and this is super related to 2716 02:08:51.359 --> 02:08:53.920 everything I just read. How many pigeons do you think 2717 02:08:53.960 --> 02:08:56.439 you could reasonably hold on your person without the aid 2718 02:08:56.520 --> 02:08:57.560 of boxes or bags? 2719 02:08:59.560 --> 02:09:04.399 Fuh six? How like like it's like, you know, when 2720 02:09:04.399 --> 02:09:06.119 you're carrying a bunch of stuff, like one in each 2721 02:09:06.279 --> 02:09:09.880 hand and then two I'm gonna say eight. I think 2722 02:09:09.920 --> 02:09:12.880 I could do three under each like four arm pinch 2723 02:09:13.000 --> 02:09:13.560 to the chest. 2724 02:09:13.680 --> 02:09:18.000 You know, I think you underestimate how wiley any birds are, 2725 02:09:18.079 --> 02:09:19.119 but especially pigeons. 2726 02:09:19.600 --> 02:09:21.960 I assume they were like sedated or something No. 2727 02:09:22.479 --> 02:09:25.199 I I mean, if you sedate any animal, you could 2728 02:09:25.239 --> 02:09:25.960 carry many of them. 2729 02:09:27.159 --> 02:09:29.159 So it's not just form factor, it's wiliness. 2730 02:09:29.279 --> 02:09:33.199 Is factory pigeons specifically, Now you got to hold them. 2731 02:09:34.439 --> 02:09:36.680 I assume it's like somebody opens up a like a 2732 02:09:36.960 --> 02:09:38.720 crate and it's like here they are, grab them. 2733 02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:42.079 You've got to You've got to carry them a city 2734 02:09:42.159 --> 02:09:43.359 block without them escaping. 2735 02:09:43.640 --> 02:09:46.560 Well, here's the thing. There's trained pigeons. I've seen trained pigeons, 2736 02:09:46.600 --> 02:09:49.000 like the stuff that Mike Tyson does, and like if 2737 02:09:49.159 --> 02:09:51.640 let's say they're pigeons that are trained to be pretty 2738 02:09:51.680 --> 02:09:54.119 docile and they like being held. I think eight. 2739 02:09:54.600 --> 02:09:56.079 I think he would have I think Jeff would have 2740 02:09:56.079 --> 02:09:59.119 specified that, let's these are just city street bird pigeons. 2741 02:09:59.159 --> 02:10:01.720 And yes, let's assume you don't have to chase them 2742 02:10:01.760 --> 02:10:05.520 down and catch them. Once you're holding them, though, how 2743 02:10:05.600 --> 02:10:07.359 long could you hold? How many could you hold out 2744 02:10:07.359 --> 02:10:09.000 to from for a city block? 2745 02:10:09.479 --> 02:10:10.239 Nine? Wait? 2746 02:10:11.960 --> 02:10:14.119 I think you guys have Yeah, how is that won? 2747 02:10:14.199 --> 02:10:16.159 That amount in the middle hand in the mouth. 2748 02:10:16.079 --> 02:10:19.920 Three in each hand. Here's my sample pigeons. 2749 02:10:20.199 --> 02:10:21.159 Those are tiny pigeons. 2750 02:10:22.800 --> 02:10:25.319 You we never discussed whether or not they were baby pigeons, 2751 02:10:25.920 --> 02:10:31.800 three baby pigeons in each hand, and then two underneath 2752 02:10:31.840 --> 02:10:32.560 my arm pits. 2753 02:10:34.039 --> 02:10:37.640 I'm going more armpits and less like just one good 2754 02:10:37.720 --> 02:10:39.439 grip on, one good pigeon in each. 2755 02:10:39.279 --> 02:10:41.119 Hand, and then one between my thighs. 2756 02:10:42.359 --> 02:10:44.800 So you're just doing it like a shimmy walk. Yeah, 2757 02:10:45.439 --> 02:10:47.159 if you're getting your thighs involved, at least you can 2758 02:10:47.199 --> 02:10:50.000 get more than one. Thighs are like femers are long walk. 2759 02:10:50.680 --> 02:10:52.479 Once you walk, you can just go down to the knee, 2760 02:10:52.760 --> 02:10:55.000 just go from crotch to knee filled with pigeons and 2761 02:10:55.119 --> 02:10:56.039 then just shimmy walk. 2762 02:10:57.119 --> 02:10:59.199 I'm talking about you even't thought about this at. 2763 02:10:59.159 --> 02:11:01.760 All, No, I'm picturing this like that. It's pretty clear. 2764 02:11:01.960 --> 02:11:04.600 Like if you're already using this space, if you're already 2765 02:11:04.680 --> 02:11:06.560 using your femers to hold one pigeon, you can hold 2766 02:11:06.560 --> 02:11:07.159 three pigeons. 2767 02:11:07.439 --> 02:11:10.399 No, because once you start shimming, they're gonna wiggle there 2768 02:11:10.439 --> 02:11:10.840 out of there. 2769 02:11:10.920 --> 02:11:13.439 They're gonna be like, but one of them will say, 2770 02:11:13.520 --> 02:11:15.000 but you. 2771 02:11:15.119 --> 02:11:17.079 Can you use your can you like stuff them in 2772 02:11:17.119 --> 02:11:18.119 your underwear and your bra. 2773 02:11:19.640 --> 02:11:24.399 Umm, Mike, Mike, just lift the room. So I don't know. 2774 02:11:24.399 --> 02:11:27.000 I think he's the officiator here. Have do you even 2775 02:11:27.079 --> 02:11:28.560 do that, then it's like twenty five. 2776 02:11:30.000 --> 02:11:31.279 Get so many in there. 2777 02:11:31.520 --> 02:11:34.960 That's this is that's a controller. We've got the Patreon. 2778 02:11:35.560 --> 02:11:40.000 We have numerous stuffed animals and a Xbox controller inside 2779 02:11:40.039 --> 02:11:40.359 your shirt. 2780 02:11:40.439 --> 02:11:42.760 Now it's everything I need and there's all your. 2781 02:11:42.720 --> 02:11:44.880 Pigeon size accessor easiest. 2782 02:11:45.479 --> 02:11:51.000 I could absolutely do. I think so eight, no, question nine, 2783 02:11:51.399 --> 02:11:53.119 questionably because I have to walk. 2784 02:11:54.800 --> 02:11:59.079 I think six to eight confidently. What is Mike doing 2785 02:12:01.199 --> 02:12:03.239 since we started talking about this, he just put his 2786 02:12:03.319 --> 02:12:05.399 head set down? This is unprecedented. What does he have? 2787 02:12:05.720 --> 02:12:06.399 He has a book? 2788 02:12:07.479 --> 02:12:07.880 He has? 2789 02:12:09.039 --> 02:12:10.479 He hasn't answered the question either. 2790 02:12:10.840 --> 02:12:13.159 Sorry, my cat just found a big bug and I 2791 02:12:13.199 --> 02:12:14.319 had to kill it and clean it up. 2792 02:12:15.319 --> 02:12:17.680 Okay, I thought he was getting evidence. 2793 02:12:18.159 --> 02:12:20.439 I was like, are you grabbing pigeons? What are you doing? 2794 02:12:20.920 --> 02:12:21.199 Blake? 2795 02:12:21.960 --> 02:12:25.319 My technique is sure felt as long as I get 2796 02:12:25.359 --> 02:12:29.960 their heads in my hand, I can squeeze three pigeon heads. 2797 02:12:30.359 --> 02:12:32.359 But I think if you do that, I think they 2798 02:12:32.439 --> 02:12:34.439 were using their little beaks and biting you a lot. 2799 02:12:35.960 --> 02:12:36.800 Sorry, that was a big one. 2800 02:12:38.680 --> 02:12:41.479 Don't kill them, No, No, I can't co sign on that. 2801 02:12:42.960 --> 02:12:43.159 Live. 2802 02:12:43.239 --> 02:12:45.000 They have to be alive when you reach the destiny. 2803 02:12:44.760 --> 02:12:47.119 It's not in the question. Jeff didn't say they had 2804 02:12:47.199 --> 02:12:50.159 to be alive. Think about many dead pigeons I could hold. 2805 02:12:50.520 --> 02:12:54.319 Mike implied, right, Uh. 2806 02:12:54.600 --> 02:12:58.039 Let's just I don't disagree with the fact that you 2807 02:12:58.079 --> 02:12:59.640 could hold a lot of dead pigeons. Let's say for 2808 02:12:59.720 --> 02:13:03.119 the sake of the argument, they're alive and adult and sated. 2809 02:13:04.399 --> 02:13:07.319 I I don't think I think I can hold one 2810 02:13:07.600 --> 02:13:11.760 live pigeon before guys nine, because I want to be 2811 02:13:11.840 --> 02:13:19.359 better than Are there not pigeons in Portland or Minneapolis Portland? 2812 02:13:19.560 --> 02:13:22.279 I don't think you see enough pigeons to understand how 2813 02:13:22.359 --> 02:13:25.520 wiley and served like. Those things are survivors. They will escape, 2814 02:13:25.600 --> 02:13:29.119 they're birds, and they'll flap, and they'll frolic. Well, not frolic, 2815 02:13:29.199 --> 02:13:31.760 that's happy one pigeon. 2816 02:13:32.079 --> 02:13:33.880 I think they're trained for the use purposes. 2817 02:13:36.800 --> 02:13:39.159 You said nine. You think you can hold nine pigeons 2818 02:13:40.239 --> 02:13:41.239 concerned in each. 2819 02:13:41.159 --> 02:13:46.399 Hand, one in each armpit, that's eight, and then one 2820 02:13:46.479 --> 02:13:47.319 between my legs. 2821 02:13:49.880 --> 02:13:55.239 I you're gonna zenda on the top of pigeon. I 2822 02:13:55.359 --> 02:13:57.279 don't think he said you can kill them. 2823 02:13:57.640 --> 02:13:59.640 I'm not gonna kill it. I'm just gonna screw it. 2824 02:14:00.119 --> 02:14:02.359 That might be the stupidest thing I've heard on this podcast, 2825 02:14:02.439 --> 02:14:03.960 and that's saying something. 2826 02:14:05.239 --> 02:14:14.600 And yet I'm strangely horny. Still, I genuinely think I 2827 02:14:14.640 --> 02:14:18.359 can hold one max maybe two, one under each arm, 2828 02:14:18.439 --> 02:14:19.319 like really, squeeze it. 2829 02:14:19.439 --> 02:14:22.520 I'll never be in the Olympics. No, that attitude. Have 2830 02:14:22.640 --> 02:14:25.720 you seen cre pigeons minimum? Have you seen creed one 2831 02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:29.640 guys are all losers minimum minimum? 2832 02:14:30.000 --> 02:14:36.000 You're the Simone Biles of pigeon killing holding squeezing. Imagine 2833 02:14:36.039 --> 02:14:38.520 if they just added that as a fifth event to 2834 02:14:38.600 --> 02:14:43.920 the all around gymnastics, Like Simone preps to hold, it's 2835 02:14:43.960 --> 02:14:46.399 never been done before, your sixteen pigeons. 2836 02:14:46.880 --> 02:14:50.560 Yeah, you can't kill any otherwise you could be cute 2837 02:14:50.840 --> 02:14:52.000 doing the floor routine. 2838 02:14:53.000 --> 02:14:56.479 Simone Biles doing her floor routine like vaulting twelve point 2839 02:14:56.520 --> 02:14:58.840 seven feet in the air, and it just help they fly. 2840 02:14:59.079 --> 02:15:02.319 They don't fly things coming out of her arms. Yeah, 2841 02:15:02.600 --> 02:15:04.960 there's clearly a bunch of birds under her singlet. 2842 02:15:07.199 --> 02:15:13.800 Those are a budgie smuggler. The tops of pigeon holding. 2843 02:15:17.039 --> 02:15:19.520 I want to be the Stephen Tommel horse guy. 2844 02:15:21.000 --> 02:15:25.680 Any of us can hold more than three tops, I'll 2845 02:15:25.720 --> 02:15:26.760 say three is my max. 2846 02:15:26.880 --> 02:15:28.600 Well, if we ever do like a pack panel or something. 2847 02:15:28.680 --> 02:15:31.159 Let's make this be the whole thing. Yeah. 2848 02:15:31.560 --> 02:15:34.439 Yeah, like, who's like bring pigeons? 2849 02:15:34.680 --> 02:15:37.000 Yeah, like for an hour, I was just trying to 2850 02:15:37.319 --> 02:15:38.520 carry pigeons. 2851 02:15:39.800 --> 02:15:41.439 Hold on to it throughout the entire panel. 2852 02:15:42.039 --> 02:15:43.239 Oh, I still had one in here. 2853 02:15:44.840 --> 02:15:49.399 See it's so easy. Yeah. 2854 02:15:51.319 --> 02:15:53.600 I had a pigeon on me this whole time. You 2855 02:15:53.680 --> 02:15:54.479 guys didn't even know. 2856 02:15:54.880 --> 02:15:57.520 If you've produced one right now, that would be incredible, 2857 02:15:57.600 --> 02:15:58.720 A live one out of your shoes. 2858 02:15:59.079 --> 02:16:00.479 I would ship my pants purpose. 2859 02:16:00.680 --> 02:16:03.760 That would be in the greatest moment in podcast history. 2860 02:16:04.800 --> 02:16:09.439 I actually this is I had to pick up a 2861 02:16:09.560 --> 02:16:12.199 dead pigeon that had flown into one of our windows 2862 02:16:12.239 --> 02:16:18.319 like two years ago. And it makes sense they're birds, 2863 02:16:18.560 --> 02:16:21.359 but I it's crazy how light they are for how 2864 02:16:21.399 --> 02:16:28.119 big they are. Really, they're light, They're just they're very fluofy, feathery. Yeah, 2865 02:16:29.239 --> 02:16:33.559 but aerodynamic. M Yeah, I don't know. I really don't 2866 02:16:33.559 --> 02:16:35.479 think I could hold more than three pigeons, and three 2867 02:16:35.600 --> 02:16:36.040 is pushing it. 2868 02:16:37.120 --> 02:16:39.399 Oh, some people are just more ambitious than others. 2869 02:16:40.520 --> 02:16:44.120 Without boxes or bags, without the aid of boxes or bags. 2870 02:16:44.639 --> 02:16:46.680 Did just say some people are more ambitious than others. 2871 02:16:46.799 --> 02:16:47.399 That's what I said. 2872 02:16:49.520 --> 02:16:53.520 I can hold so many more pigeons than any man. 2873 02:16:53.879 --> 02:16:54.840 We believe in ourselves. 2874 02:16:56.360 --> 02:16:58.840 Yes quick, limitting yourself all. 2875 02:16:58.799 --> 02:17:03.479 Right, fair enough that you jeff uh yes, as usually 2876 02:17:03.520 --> 02:17:04.879 you could write the fire skill never be on the 2877 02:17:04.920 --> 02:17:06.959 p Yeah gmail dot com. 2878 02:17:08.200 --> 02:17:09.840 His dick's gonna get caught on the pole volt. 2879 02:17:10.280 --> 02:17:12.399 Oh dude, my dick's gonna get caught him a lot. 2880 02:17:14.680 --> 02:17:16.799 He's gonna get to three of his dick gets in. 2881 02:17:16.879 --> 02:17:17.399 The way. 2882 02:17:21.799 --> 02:17:24.319 In the like Olympics tree eyes because pigeons bit his 2883 02:17:24.399 --> 02:17:24.959 dick too much. 2884 02:17:27.719 --> 02:17:29.399 Yeah. The way they talk about Soony Lee and her 2885 02:17:29.440 --> 02:17:31.639 kidney diseases that she bounced back from. They're like, he 2886 02:17:31.719 --> 02:17:34.559 had a horrifying accident when twelve pigeons flew directly as 2887 02:17:34.600 --> 02:17:38.120 crotch and pecked it apart. It's just it's just jumbalaya 2888 02:17:38.200 --> 02:17:39.799 down there now. But he still has to do the 2889 02:17:39.840 --> 02:17:40.440 pommel horse. 2890 02:17:40.680 --> 02:17:43.879 One of them flew up his ass. We're doing a 2891 02:17:44.000 --> 02:17:44.879 different sport. 2892 02:17:46.719 --> 02:17:48.920 There's a pigeon up his there's a pigeon up his 2893 02:17:49.040 --> 02:17:51.840 ass right now, but he still needs to do the 2894 02:17:51.920 --> 02:17:56.520 triple jump. What if that's Noah Lyle's secret is he 2895 02:17:56.600 --> 02:17:57.799 puts a bird up his butt. 2896 02:17:57.719 --> 02:18:00.319 Before the pigeon, the full life pigeon, and that's why 2897 02:18:00.360 --> 02:18:05.920 he's running so fast, Yeah, streaking out. Yeah, I would 2898 02:18:06.000 --> 02:18:07.799 run really fast if there's a pigeon in my ass. 2899 02:18:08.200 --> 02:18:11.120 Yeah, that'd be just anything to like try to outpace it. 2900 02:18:11.239 --> 02:18:12.879 What if it's flying in the same direction that you're 2901 02:18:12.920 --> 02:18:13.959 running in from inside you? 2902 02:18:14.239 --> 02:18:16.559 Is that what's going on? When Mario gets the raccoon tail, 2903 02:18:17.239 --> 02:18:18.959 is the rest of the raccoon inside him and that's 2904 02:18:18.959 --> 02:18:20.239 why you can run and play. 2905 02:18:20.520 --> 02:18:23.000 Oh the tanuki, I don't Yeah, I think so. I 2906 02:18:23.040 --> 02:18:24.399 think he just transforms into it. 2907 02:18:24.639 --> 02:18:26.559 Oh okay, okay, that makes more sense. 2908 02:18:29.120 --> 02:18:33.799 Well that was our episode. Thanks for joining everybody. It was. 2909 02:18:34.639 --> 02:18:38.040 That's been a fun one. Dan. I think you may 2910 02:18:38.120 --> 02:18:39.280 be out next episode. 2911 02:18:39.840 --> 02:18:43.440 I believe so. I've got Yeah, I'm going to be 2912 02:18:43.559 --> 02:18:45.719 across the pond a couple of times, and I think 2913 02:18:45.799 --> 02:18:47.360 that's going to get in the way of me being on. 2914 02:18:47.680 --> 02:18:51.680 But I have faith in you two and finding someone fantastic. 2915 02:18:51.600 --> 02:18:52.559 Have funny games come. 2916 02:18:52.920 --> 02:18:53.239 Thank you? 2917 02:18:53.479 --> 02:18:54.040 It's your first. 2918 02:18:54.600 --> 02:18:56.040 Yeah, somebody I say. 2919 02:18:55.920 --> 02:18:57.559 That like I've done numerous, I've only done one. It 2920 02:18:57.680 --> 02:19:01.520 was fun one. The only one is the So here's 2921 02:19:01.559 --> 02:19:04.639 what you think it for some reason. I think maybe 2922 02:19:04.639 --> 02:19:06.360 it's just the way the convention hall is laid out. 2923 02:19:06.399 --> 02:19:09.120 It felt like more people than eat than old school 2924 02:19:09.159 --> 02:19:09.479 E three. 2925 02:19:09.639 --> 02:19:11.399 Oh that's what I've heard. I've heard it's like easily 2926 02:19:11.479 --> 02:19:12.639 the most like populous one. 2927 02:19:13.079 --> 02:19:16.639 It's E three, but for Europe, so jesus, there's a 2928 02:19:16.639 --> 02:19:17.760 lot of people going to Cotton. 2929 02:19:18.639 --> 02:19:21.120 Yeah yeah, but. 2930 02:19:23.040 --> 02:19:25.680 Do you know, do you know which side of the 2931 02:19:25.799 --> 02:19:26.680 river you're staying on? 2932 02:19:26.959 --> 02:19:27.399 I don't know. 2933 02:19:27.600 --> 02:19:31.520 Shit, Okay, I'm assuming you'll thaying on the the actual 2934 02:19:31.559 --> 02:19:36.159 convention side. No, no, no, the other side, because the 2935 02:19:36.440 --> 02:19:38.319 side with the convention center is a bit quieter. But 2936 02:19:38.399 --> 02:19:39.719 if you stay on the other side, that's where all 2937 02:19:39.760 --> 02:19:42.040 the different town squares are where people hang out, and 2938 02:19:42.120 --> 02:19:44.040 it's a lot of it's a very German town. There's 2939 02:19:44.079 --> 02:19:45.399 like a lot of people hanging out in these like 2940 02:19:45.479 --> 02:19:49.440 Copplestone squares. Restaurants all have seating right in the courtyards. 2941 02:19:50.799 --> 02:19:55.200 Assuming people told you get a meat tray. They just 2942 02:19:55.239 --> 02:19:57.600 bring out these big wooden planks with every kind of 2943 02:19:57.680 --> 02:19:59.920 salted meat you could think of, and then they give 2944 02:20:00.159 --> 02:20:02.840 get coolsh. That's the cologne. 2945 02:20:03.000 --> 02:20:04.879 I literally just drank it colsh. Yeah. 2946 02:20:05.040 --> 02:20:07.600 Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you've had colsh before, But that's 2947 02:20:07.639 --> 02:20:10.840 like Cologne food is great like for one night and 2948 02:20:10.920 --> 02:20:13.479 then I it kills me. It's like I can't do 2949 02:20:13.600 --> 02:20:14.959 it another night, but it's really good. 2950 02:20:15.079 --> 02:20:17.000 It's me in Japan where it's just like, Okay, I'm 2951 02:20:17.000 --> 02:20:18.920 gonna be very adventurous for a few days and I 2952 02:20:19.040 --> 02:20:20.799 need some fucking McDonald's or something. You know. 2953 02:20:20.959 --> 02:20:23.399 Oh I mean I yeah, I just mean like Cologne 2954 02:20:23.399 --> 02:20:25.000 has a lot of really good restaurants that are not 2955 02:20:25.319 --> 02:20:27.760 just like straight salted meat and kolsh, but you need 2956 02:20:27.840 --> 02:20:29.479 to do that at least one night, because that's definitely 2957 02:20:29.600 --> 02:20:30.680 the what it's known for. 2958 02:20:30.920 --> 02:20:32.879 I'll be open minded and I'm going with I'll know 2959 02:20:32.920 --> 02:20:34.000 a bunch of people that have been there at a 2960 02:20:34.040 --> 02:20:35.600 ballion times, so it should be good. 2961 02:20:36.239 --> 02:20:39.600 And then also I'm sure like Tam or Lucy will 2962 02:20:39.600 --> 02:20:41.920 steer you toward get some like curry brought. 2963 02:20:42.559 --> 02:20:46.280 I've already heard some recommendations. Yes, absolutely, I think, yeah, 2964 02:20:46.360 --> 02:20:47.520 Lucy's got some stuff in mind. 2965 02:20:47.879 --> 02:20:49.840 The one I went to was like right outside the 2966 02:20:49.879 --> 02:20:52.360 convention center. I'm sure they know it better and uh, 2967 02:20:52.760 --> 02:20:55.639 but yeah, it's that that's like what I look forward 2968 02:20:55.680 --> 02:20:58.719 to when I think about German food is curry brought nice. 2969 02:20:58.840 --> 02:21:01.600 Yeah, it's like pretzels and beer and meat and stuff. 2970 02:21:01.639 --> 02:21:03.920 It sounds like it's gonna agree with my palette pretty well. 2971 02:21:04.000 --> 02:21:05.600 And cheese really good beer. 2972 02:21:05.840 --> 02:21:07.639 Yeah for sure. I mean even if you don't get like, 2973 02:21:07.719 --> 02:21:09.959 get like a half of Eisner, get like like a 2974 02:21:10.079 --> 02:21:12.840 restore Pilsner or something, a lot of good pillsners. 2975 02:21:13.159 --> 02:21:15.079 Yeah, that's I had a sculpture earlier. Now I'm having 2976 02:21:15.120 --> 02:21:17.360 a pills So yeah, I like it. 2977 02:21:18.600 --> 02:21:23.799 It'll be fun. Okay, Well, what else do you have 2978 02:21:23.959 --> 02:21:25.239 going on me? 2979 02:21:25.559 --> 02:21:29.159 I am on giant bomb dot com about to wrap 2980 02:21:29.360 --> 02:21:31.280 up Blake. Actually, if you're listening to this, we might 2981 02:21:31.319 --> 02:21:33.360 be done with that Katana, depending on how Greb does 2982 02:21:33.440 --> 02:21:36.399 on this one. And we have selected Mike Manaate's next 2983 02:21:36.520 --> 02:21:39.159 Blake club game, and Greb and I watched a lot 2984 02:21:39.200 --> 02:21:42.719 of videos of it in Cleveland, and we are optimistic 2985 02:21:43.000 --> 02:21:45.280 that he's it's going to be a bad time for him. 2986 02:21:45.280 --> 02:21:46.760 It's not public yet what it is. 2987 02:21:46.920 --> 02:21:49.079 No, it's not public. It'll be public when the first 2988 02:21:49.120 --> 02:21:51.319 episode goes live and he will find out at the 2989 02:21:51.360 --> 02:21:54.040 same time as the audience. And uh, I think it's 2990 02:21:54.079 --> 02:21:57.120 going to be a good one. So yeah, try try 2991 02:21:57.159 --> 02:22:00.959 and bomb look up Blake Club, BombCast, uh, personal Twitch 2992 02:22:00.959 --> 02:22:03.200 stuff and everything. I hope after all this travel I 2993 02:22:03.239 --> 02:22:05.799 can get back to it. But uh yeah, damn record 2994 02:22:05.799 --> 02:22:06.280 on Instagram. 2995 02:22:07.239 --> 02:22:08.120 Mary, what do you have going on? 2996 02:22:08.799 --> 02:22:10.120 I'm going to New York to see you. 2997 02:22:12.040 --> 02:22:14.520 Hung out once this episode goes up. But that we'll 2998 02:22:14.520 --> 02:22:16.479 I'll see you in what two days? Three days? 2999 02:22:16.559 --> 02:22:19.799 Yeah, going to New York to talk about DJs on Twitch, 3000 02:22:19.840 --> 02:22:24.600 which is pretty fun, see some live djaying, and then uh, 3001 02:22:26.399 --> 02:22:28.879 probably just the usual. I think I'm I'm just hanging 3002 02:22:28.879 --> 02:22:32.200 out for a little bit. Uh, so I'll uh, I'll 3003 02:22:32.239 --> 02:22:34.520 just be streaming on Twitch every Monday. 3004 02:22:35.479 --> 02:22:39.079 Sweet. And also you can go to as usual fire 3005 02:22:39.120 --> 02:22:44.000 skate merch dot com to get some sick fucking frags 3006 02:22:45.559 --> 02:22:48.879 and some threads. Get some fire escape rags, some fire 3007 02:22:49.000 --> 02:22:54.520 escape Yeah, wear that stuff so when we see you 3008 02:22:54.559 --> 02:22:57.040 in public, we can identify you. It's the only way 3009 02:22:57.079 --> 02:22:59.360 we know a threat did not mean it to sound 3010 02:22:59.399 --> 02:22:59.760 like a threat. 3011 02:23:00.159 --> 02:23:01.760 Quigh five you if you have is about the author 3012 02:23:01.840 --> 02:23:02.440 on your back. 3013 02:23:02.760 --> 02:23:05.120 Oh I won't. 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Just 3024 02:23:35.079 --> 02:23:36.600 finding time for them, you know, it is the key. 3025 02:23:37.280 --> 02:23:39.760 But we've got some ideas coming up. So if you're 3026 02:23:39.799 --> 02:23:44.079 not yet a patron, go sign up and that's our episode, so. 3027 02:23:44.360 --> 02:23:46.120 Video versions where it's at. You can see all the 3028 02:23:46.200 --> 02:23:47.719 pigeons that are in our shirts. 3029 02:23:51.959 --> 02:23:53.760 Now now she's like investigating. I don't know if you 3030 02:23:53.760 --> 02:23:56.760 could see. There's like I had like books and video 3031 02:23:56.840 --> 02:23:59.600 game stuff on this bottom shelf and a big bug 3032 02:23:59.680 --> 02:24:00.239 crawled out. 3033 02:24:00.680 --> 02:24:01.920 What kind house centipede? 3034 02:24:02.280 --> 02:24:05.239 It was a small cockroach. Yeah, we get like three 3035 02:24:05.399 --> 02:24:08.719 cockroaches a year, I'd say maybe like two, and this 3036 02:24:08.920 --> 02:24:10.840 was one. So this is about the second one this 3037 02:24:10.920 --> 02:24:12.760 year and it's August. So that's a pretty good track record. 3038 02:24:12.959 --> 02:24:14.680 But it was small, so I got it before it 3039 02:24:14.760 --> 02:24:15.079 got big. 3040 02:24:15.600 --> 02:24:15.840 Nice. 3041 02:24:17.159 --> 02:24:23.200 Yeah, we'll be back in two weeks on August twenty sixth, 3042 02:24:24.040 --> 02:24:26.840 Mary and I will, I'm sure have found a good 3043 02:24:26.879 --> 02:24:30.079 replacement for Dan. While you are gallivanting across Europe, which 3044 02:24:30.120 --> 02:24:32.479 you always do, might still be drinking wine. 3045 02:24:32.639 --> 02:24:36.600 I'm bringing my wine twocase, please do. 3046 02:24:37.399 --> 02:24:40.600 Bring back some of those electric mosal reslings. 3047 02:24:41.360 --> 02:24:45.479 Does liquid death mcwine in Europe highly doubted? Oh damn it. 3048 02:24:46.639 --> 02:24:52.639 But I'm wrong about liquids often, except especially one. Anyway, 3049 02:24:52.639 --> 02:24:54.799 thank you everybody for joining. We'll be back in two weeks. 3050 02:24:55.440 --> 02:25:01.440 We'll see you then, right Cop