Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
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Speaker 2: So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
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Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property. Yes, it used to be Wednesdays
Speaker 1: that we did this. It's now going to be Tuesdays
Speaker 1: because we have a new thing that we need to
Speaker 1: talk about on Wednesday. It's confusing, but never mind, don't worry.
Speaker 1: We'll be here. We'll explain it all. For this week
Speaker 1: of August nineteenth, we are continuing I've lost Season one,
Speaker 1: episode eight, confidence Man. So pretty easy to guess that
Speaker 1: something called confidence man. It's going to be about Sawyer,
Speaker 1: and indeed it was. It was about Big Sawyer, a
Speaker 1: slimy con artist, and it was about Little Sawyer whose
Speaker 1: family was destroyed by a slimy con artist. Because Layers,
Speaker 1: dude's got layers, but it wants to be on the
Speaker 1: show for a long time. It's got to be a
Speaker 1: lot of lakers, Yes, a.
Speaker 2: Bit like everybody else, right, Layers daddy issues.
Speaker 1: In this case, daddy who got cheated out of money, killed,
Speaker 1: killed the mom, killed himself, left the little kid pretty
Speaker 1: rough and also so bad dad and also bad, bad,
Speaker 1: bad con man whose name he's taken because he feels
Speaker 1: like a slimy low life. Yeah, he agrees with everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody pretty much feels the same way about Sawyer, including Sawyer.
Speaker 1: What can I do to make everybody hate me as
Speaker 1: much as possible, but as much as I myself? Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh man, But this is the episode I have been
Speaker 1: remembering happened but didn't remember when where said breaks out
Speaker 1: his torturer's repertoire. Yeah, and that was rather upsetting to
Speaker 1: him as well. So he just slings his backpack on
Speaker 1: his shoulder and wanders off right into the beachfront looking
Speaker 1: for adventure on his own. And I'm thinking, don't they
Speaker 1: need all the men that they can get to kind
Speaker 1: of protect the camp and do manly things, so they
Speaker 1: can one just wander off? Is that an option? And
Speaker 1: also wasn't he got the beach or the caves? I
Speaker 1: don't think you could just just go on your own man.
Speaker 2: Also, it's you know, how long has it been since
Speaker 2: he was beaten? You know his Yes, his head was
Speaker 2: basically bashed in and he was passed out on the ground.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And also he seemed to know, though unconscious, that Sawyer
Speaker 1: was the one setting off the rocket and Shannon was
Speaker 1: the one setting off the rocket, even though as far
Speaker 1: as he knew, yeah, it was supposed to be. I
Speaker 1: suppose after he came to somebody came and explained that
Speaker 1: all to him. For reasons, yeah, I don't know. So,
Speaker 1: I mean I could see him thinking Sawyer did it
Speaker 1: if he didn't know that Sawyer had been doing the
Speaker 1: rocket yep, But how did they just like had a
Speaker 1: had a debris about the mission.
Speaker 2: As soon as he was as soon as he woke up. Okay, listen,
Speaker 2: here's what happened.
Speaker 1: That was that seemed like a continuity rig But what
Speaker 1: the heck, it's the island. People just know things. It's fine.
Speaker 2: Well, but wait, he came, he came to where Kate
Speaker 2: and said were didn't he because he was did Sawyer?
Speaker 1: Sawyer?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was going to tell Kate about Jack,
Speaker 2: but then he didn't.
Speaker 1: Said was no, I don't think Sayid was there.
Speaker 2: Then, Okay, maybe not.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I think it was just Kate was there. Okay,
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, in which case that's okay. But
Speaker 1: he also, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But you're you're right. It's a it's a little bit
Speaker 2: uh inconsistent.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes? And and what is Lock's thing that he's
Speaker 1: like setting up Sawyer for? Because I mean, say would
Speaker 1: have maybe tortured him for the asthma medicine, but he
Speaker 1: was really torturing him from bunking him on the head.
Speaker 1: What what is his game there?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: H Walk You know, I have no problem with you
Speaker 1: killing the boors. I have no problem with you getting
Speaker 1: on with your island self after your amazing transformation, right,
Speaker 1: but now you're starting to play games. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: little scary. That was that was like a deliberate setup.
Speaker 1: So you know he's gonna he's cooked that in our
Speaker 1: back pocket, and wondering what he's kind of wiley that
Speaker 1: one he is wiling that is exactly what he is.
Speaker 1: You look up Wiley in the dictionary, you see a
Speaker 1: picture of John Locke. But let's see, it.
Speaker 2: Does also make you want to refresh your memory on
Speaker 2: the philosopher John Locke and what his yes deal.
Speaker 1: There's more of that coming, by the way. Whether they
Speaker 1: actually named the characters in such a way that you
Speaker 1: had to go look up the philosophers, or whether they
Speaker 1: did it on purpose or it just was a happy accident,
Speaker 1: it'd gotten people thinking and writing all sorts of things
Speaker 1: about those names. And convenient that when Sawyer gives Kate
Speaker 1: the note, which has his backstory on it and allows
Speaker 1: her to eventually figure out that he wasn't the one
Speaker 1: it was written to. He wasn't the one who destroyed
Speaker 1: a family. His family was destroyed. He conveliens asks her
Speaker 1: to read out loud, oh yeah, but for really no
Speaker 1: apparent reason other than that he knows we're listening and
Speaker 1: would liked it. No it was on it, and also
Speaker 1: that he kept the envelope with it. Yet this whole
Speaker 1: time conveniently, so she can figure out the timing. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: have had a postmarket as well. Well, well, he never
Speaker 1: sent it, Oh that's true. That's true.
Speaker 2: But because I remember when he first when she first
Speaker 2: read it, and it said like, dear mister Sawyer, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, someday I'm going to find you and give
Speaker 2: this to you, And I was like, yeah, how did
Speaker 2: this child you know, actually find him? So then ye,
Speaker 2: later you discover that he has been carrying it around
Speaker 2: with him all this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, while he's doing just exactly the same things, the
Speaker 1: little story that we've been seeing the flashback, he sees
Speaker 1: a little boy. I mean, he's fine with destroying this
Speaker 1: husband and wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, but he sees a little boy.
Speaker 1: And so then he leaves their money plus the money
Speaker 1: of the loan shark I believe, behind.
Speaker 2: Which yeah, maybe that's how he ended up Australia. Australia.
Speaker 2: I'll take the next plane going anywhere, even.
Speaker 1: To Mystery Island, where I shall set about making people
Speaker 1: hate my guns. What an efficient job he has done
Speaker 1: with it. I mean, even after he's been tortured, we
Speaker 1: still kind of hate him. Yeah, right up until.
Speaker 2: The story, Yeah, they didn't. In the other backstories, they've
Speaker 2: generally explained how the people got on the plane, how
Speaker 2: they came to be on this trip, and they didn't
Speaker 2: do that for him. So I guess that's flashback round two.
Speaker 1: And about this point they realized, Oh, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: we're gonna need a lot of flashbacks. Let's let's stop
Speaker 1: Russian people.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're not gonna tell everything.
Speaker 1: We need to's neander a little more with that, shall we? Uh?
Speaker 1: More of of Son and gin Gin being unreasonable seeming
Speaker 1: and Sun furtively talking to people in English and saving
Speaker 1: Shannon and her asthma attack with eucalyptus, which seems like
Speaker 1: somebody else could have thought of.
Speaker 2: But okay, all right, Well, I think Jack when he realized,
Speaker 2: he was like, oh, yeah, I'm dumb.
Speaker 1: I should have I am a man of science. I
Speaker 1: have lost touch with the elements of the earth, Yes,
Speaker 1: sickling elements of the earth. Yeah. But Jen and Michael
Speaker 1: are still sort of at each other, and I spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: which I don't think will be too too. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure at some point those two guys become buddies, and
Speaker 1: I'm ready for it. Let's move it along. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm remembering it incorrectly, so it's not a spoiler, but
Speaker 1: if it was, if one of them was female, you
Speaker 1: would be going just kiss already.
Speaker 2: Yah.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, all right, we know you hate each
Speaker 1: other's guts. Something's gonna make your friends come on moo
Speaker 1: moo mooop. So I'm waiting for that. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: all Dieters were paying attention to the scene with Charlie
Speaker 1: and Claarreen joined the invisible peanut butter. See you just
Speaker 1: you get yourself an empty box of chocolates and you
Speaker 1: pick out a bond.
Speaker 2: Bond not satisfying, but somehow it convinced her to move
Speaker 2: to the cave.
Speaker 1: I guess I guess it did. I don't know what
Speaker 1: else could she do but be charmed. She really didn't
Speaker 1: have another option.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was awfully confident about the fact that he
Speaker 2: would be able to get her some peanut butter, some
Speaker 2: real peanut butter.
Speaker 1: Oh the figures Hurling must have some because Hurley's mouth,
Speaker 1: poor Hurling really is usually there for comic relief. Yes,
Speaker 1: but you can still hurt his feelings. Stop it.
Speaker 2: I'm glad he spoke up. He didn't just suffer in silence.
Speaker 2: He was like, dude, that's not cool. I don't accuse
Speaker 2: the fact guy affording food.
Speaker 1: He says no, and probably don't ask Sawyer because if
Speaker 1: he has it, he's not going to give it to you.
Speaker 2: Sure isn't, or he's going to tell you he has
Speaker 2: it and then not give it to you because he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Actually have right, does not actually have the inhalers, and
Speaker 1: yet he is willing to be tortured for them, although
Speaker 1: nobody would have believed him if he said he didn't
Speaker 1: have them, right, but they do at the end, I
Speaker 1: guess after he tricks Kate into kissing.
Speaker 2: Him, right, Yeah, and it wasn't just a quick peck either.
Speaker 1: Yeah. This, this Jack, Kate and Sawyer triangle is already
Speaker 1: tiresome and it just started, right, but you know, I
Speaker 1: presume it's going to keep going for many. You gotta
Speaker 1: have it many. You got to have romantic tension. So
Speaker 1: it's in the in the TV drama rule book. We
Speaker 1: don't care if they're on an there's got to be
Speaker 1: romantic tension at least is if they're at least uh,
Speaker 1: you know, at least three people. At least a triangle's
Speaker 1: worth of people. You gotta do it, so if not,
Speaker 1: you have to find a native on the island. Right,
Speaker 1: They're like triangle a triangle. O. Well, so parenting wise, Uh,
Speaker 1: that asthma stuff looked really scary. It did, Yes, they
Speaker 1: should direction to that actress is just just pretend like
Speaker 1: you're dying and your gasp just gasp over and over.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they just liked it that as as.
Speaker 1: I wonder if she was actually doing that or they
Speaker 1: just recorded somebody having an asthma right briefeard, but.
Speaker 2: Gave her lots of gray makeup to make her look
Speaker 2: like she couldn't.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that was awful. I one time in my life,
Speaker 1: and only one time, had an asthma attack. This is
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing. And it was just like that, I
Speaker 1: could not breathe. I could not breathe. My parents took
Speaker 1: me to the emergency room by the time I got
Speaker 1: there and it passed right. And I mean I'd always
Speaker 1: like easily out of breath, but never had had an
Speaker 1: asthma attack, So I don't know what that was. I
Speaker 1: mentioned it every now and then to doctors and they
Speaker 1: go but like like I'm making it all off, like
Speaker 1: there's a letter somewhere saying I'm sorry I caused your
Speaker 1: asthma attack in person anyway. So for parents of kids
Speaker 1: with asthma, I imagine being someplace without an inhaler and
Speaker 1: no opportunity to get an nailer with terrifying right, the
Speaker 1: person with asthma, and for the person who cares for
Speaker 1: the person with asthma, which was boon in this case
Speaker 1: because he's just helpless. Yeah, unless you know how to
Speaker 1: find eucalyptus and.
Speaker 2: What to do with its.
Speaker 1: Fine, Yes, why doesn't everybody just keep some eucalyptus and
Speaker 1: forget the inhalers.
Speaker 2: But good question. But it did show that you know
Speaker 2: that sort of dependence, yes, that a kid has for
Speaker 2: a parent. You know, they might they might act like
Speaker 2: they resent you and don't want to hear what you
Speaker 2: have to say, but when they're not feeling good, Yes,
Speaker 2: it's don't leave.
Speaker 1: Me, yes exactly, Yes, parents or siblings, definitely right and
Speaker 1: also sort of depending that another person can make this
Speaker 1: right for you. You know, like he's going to go
Speaker 1: get the inhalers, it's going to be fine, right, So,
Speaker 1: and he was.
Speaker 2: Taking care of the inhalers in the first place. Because
Speaker 2: she couldn't be trusted.
Speaker 1: Oh my, that's a lot of responsibility for somebody's ability
Speaker 1: to draw a breath. Right, And little Sawyer was the
Speaker 1: victim of some well, definitely bad parenting on his mother's part, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for taking up the con man. Maybe not so good
Speaker 1: bad parenting on his father's part by falling for it
Speaker 1: and then killing his Yeah, his wife and himself. That's
Speaker 1: pretty bad. That's pretty bad parenting. That's you know, leaving. Yes,
Speaker 1: we've messed everything up. Let's just go and leave the
Speaker 1: kid completely defenseless and alone. That'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I won't have any lasting effect on this.
Speaker 1: He'll be fine. I'm sure he'll nice family will take
Speaker 1: him in, and he'll have a perfectly pleasant life and
Speaker 1: not be scarred at all by this. Oh man, parents, No, yeah,
Speaker 1: think about it. Living through the humiliation of having been
Speaker 1: fleeced of all your money may be bad, but yeah,
Speaker 1: stick around for the kid, will you please?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And also some h some consideration of the notion of punishment,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not torture, but maybe just you know,
Speaker 1: some of the different disciplinary tactics parents may choose to
Speaker 1: use to either get the information they want or express
Speaker 1: their displeasure with somebody's behavior. I don't think too many
Speaker 1: of us are putting, you know, reads under people's fingernails.
Speaker 1: But still did not particularly work for Sawyer the punishment,
Speaker 1: and oftentimes it does not. And ye know, kiss work
Speaker 1: as it happened, I didn't get the inhalers back. But
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you have to be a little creative.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to kiss the slimy, annoying guy. But
Speaker 1: from a parenting point of view, yeah, sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: a gentler approach. Perhaps sometimes you know you don't necessarily
Speaker 1: need to be doing the the hard, yelly work. And
Speaker 1: sometimes there are things behind the behavior that you do
Speaker 1: not know.
Speaker 2: Behavior is communication, right exactly.
Speaker 1: And Sawyer's been communicating pretty loudly hate me, hate me,
Speaker 1: hate me. So you're giving him what he wants when
Speaker 1: you do that, uh, and that may be not the
Speaker 1: correct response. Right. So that's a little parenting tip.
Speaker 2: And in terms of actual parenting in the show, we
Speaker 2: did not see Walt at.
Speaker 1: All, So Walt was not on it at all, So
Speaker 1: not too much of Michael, none of Walt Wald. We
Speaker 1: assume he and Vin sent her off having adventures for
Speaker 1: you know, watching mister Locke do whatever mister Locke is doing.
Speaker 2: Right, sharpening his knives, skinny animals and all that kind
Speaker 2: of wholesome stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's like boy scout camp. It's
Speaker 1: all good. He's had to build a fire, right. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: I don't remember if this is a thing or not,
Speaker 1: but I'll just say it as though I were watching
Speaker 1: this the first time. Locke was saying that Sawyer had
Speaker 1: an incentive to not leave the island because he's hoarding
Speaker 1: everything and he likes that. You know who else has
Speaker 1: an incentive not to get the off the island?
Speaker 2: Yeah, John Locke, yep, the guy who can walk when
Speaker 2: he's on the.
Speaker 1: Island exactly, and the guy who is so skillfully turning
Speaker 1: the blame on somebody else and encouraging that we keep
Speaker 1: an eye on that fellaw, Yeah, keep an eye on
Speaker 1: the wall, and so we shall and say kind of
Speaker 1: swallowed it pretty she really did.
Speaker 2: I mean he was primed to he wanted to swallow it, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see you,
Speaker 1: John Locke, I see you. I see what you're doing.
Speaker 1: It's kind of fun, but I see it, yeah, possibly
Speaker 1: because I've seen it before. Possibly just because it's not
Speaker 1: that subtled one or the other, right, but we will
Speaker 1: find out more next Tuesday, as we continue with season one,
Speaker 1: episode nine of Lost Solitary, which I believe is a
Speaker 1: flashback episode. Makes sense. He's walking, he's thinking. Yep, he's
Speaker 1: thinking back because he's walking. And we will see you
Speaker 1: back here tomorrow to discuss the finale of A Gentleman
Speaker 1: in Moscow, as well as season the season four premiere
Speaker 1: of Only Murders in the Building. They're back with guest
Speaker 1: stars Goal and Meryl Streep is back. Just saw something
Speaker 1: on Twitter where they were going to the I guess
Speaker 1: there was some sort of a premiere for the series,
Speaker 1: and she and Martin Short were holding hands and people
Speaker 1: are going they're dating, they're dating, and somebody else said,
Speaker 1: you know, at that age, sometimes holding hands just means
Speaker 1: neither one of you wants to break a hand.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: True, so true? Anyway possible of her rumblings about that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to do it, of not so we'll see,
Speaker 1: but always nice to see them both. YEA. Thank you
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