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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. Yes, it used to be Wednesdays

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<v Speaker 1>that we did this. It's now going to be Tuesdays

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<v Speaker 1>because we have a new thing that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about on Wednesday. It's confusing, but never mind, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be here. We'll explain it all. For this week

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<v Speaker 1>of August nineteenth, we are continuing I've lost Season one,

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<v Speaker 1>episode eight, confidence Man. So pretty easy to guess that

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<v Speaker 1>something called confidence man. It's going to be about Sawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>and indeed it was. It was about Big Sawyer, a

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<v Speaker 1>slimy con artist, and it was about Little Sawyer whose

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<v Speaker 1>family was destroyed by a slimy con artist. Because Layers,

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<v Speaker 1>dude's got layers, but it wants to be on the

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<v Speaker 1>show for a long time. It's got to be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of lakers, Yes, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Bit like everybody else, right, Layers daddy issues.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, daddy who got cheated out of money, killed,

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<v Speaker 1>killed the mom, killed himself, left the little kid pretty

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<v Speaker 1>rough and also so bad dad and also bad, bad,

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<v Speaker 1>bad con man whose name he's taken because he feels

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<v Speaker 1>like a slimy low life. Yeah, he agrees with everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody pretty much feels the same way about Sawyer, including Sawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>What can I do to make everybody hate me as

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<v Speaker 1>much as possible, but as much as I myself? Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, But this is the episode I have been

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<v Speaker 1>remembering happened but didn't remember when where said breaks out

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<v Speaker 1>his torturer's repertoire. Yeah, and that was rather upsetting to

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<v Speaker 1>him as well. So he just slings his backpack on

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<v Speaker 1>his shoulder and wanders off right into the beachfront looking

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<v Speaker 1>for adventure on his own. And I'm thinking, don't they

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<v Speaker 1>need all the men that they can get to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of protect the camp and do manly things, so they

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<v Speaker 1>can one just wander off? Is that an option? And

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<v Speaker 1>also wasn't he got the beach or the caves? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you could just just go on your own man.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, it's you know, how long has it been since

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<v Speaker 2>he was beaten? You know his Yes, his head was

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<v Speaker 2>basically bashed in and he was passed out on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And also he seemed to know, though unconscious, that Sawyer

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<v Speaker 1>was the one setting off the rocket and Shannon was

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<v Speaker 1>the one setting off the rocket, even though as far

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<v Speaker 1>as he knew, yeah, it was supposed to be. I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose after he came to somebody came and explained that

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<v Speaker 1>all to him. For reasons, yeah, I don't know. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I could see him thinking Sawyer did it

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<v Speaker 1>if he didn't know that Sawyer had been doing the

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<v Speaker 1>rocket yep, But how did they just like had a

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<v Speaker 1>had a debris about the mission.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as he was as soon as he woke up. Okay, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>here's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>That was that seemed like a continuity rig But what

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<v Speaker 1>the heck, it's the island. People just know things. It's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but wait, he came, he came to where Kate

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<v Speaker 2>and said were didn't he because he was did Sawyer?

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<v Speaker 1>Sawyer?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because he was going to tell Kate about Jack,

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<v Speaker 2>but then he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Said was no, I don't think Sayid was there.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, Okay, maybe not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure. I think it was just Kate was there. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I could be wrong, in which case that's okay. But

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<v Speaker 1>he also, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're you're right. It's a it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>uh inconsistent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes? And and what is Lock's thing that he's

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<v Speaker 1>like setting up Sawyer for? Because I mean, say would

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<v Speaker 1>have maybe tortured him for the asthma medicine, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was really torturing him from bunking him on the head.

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<v Speaker 1>What what is his game there?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 1>H Walk You know, I have no problem with you

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<v Speaker 1>killing the boors. I have no problem with you getting

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<v Speaker 1>on with your island self after your amazing transformation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but now you're starting to play games. Yeah, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>little scary. That was that was like a deliberate setup.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know he's gonna he's cooked that in our

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<v Speaker 1>back pocket, and wondering what he's kind of wiley that

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<v Speaker 1>one he is wiling that is exactly what he is.

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<v Speaker 1>You look up Wiley in the dictionary, you see a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of John Locke. But let's see, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Does also make you want to refresh your memory on

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<v Speaker 2>the philosopher John Locke and what his yes deal.

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<v Speaker 1>There's more of that coming, by the way. Whether they

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<v Speaker 1>actually named the characters in such a way that you

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<v Speaker 1>had to go look up the philosophers, or whether they

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<v Speaker 1>did it on purpose or it just was a happy accident,

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<v Speaker 1>it'd gotten people thinking and writing all sorts of things

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<v Speaker 1>about those names. And convenient that when Sawyer gives Kate

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<v Speaker 1>her to eventually figure out that he wasn't the one

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<v Speaker 1>it was written to. He wasn't the one who destroyed

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<v Speaker 1>a family. His family was destroyed. He conveliens asks her

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<v Speaker 1>to read out loud, oh yeah, but for really no

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<v Speaker 1>apparent reason other than that he knows we're listening and

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<v Speaker 1>would liked it. No it was on it, and also

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<v Speaker 1>that he kept the envelope with it. Yet this whole

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<v Speaker 1>time conveniently, so she can figure out the timing. Wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have had a postmarket as well. Well, well, he never

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<v Speaker 1>sent it, Oh that's true. That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>But because I remember when he first when she first

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<v Speaker 2>read it, and it said like, dear mister Sawyer, blah

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah, someday I'm going to find you and give

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<v Speaker 2>this to you, And I was like, yeah, how did

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<v Speaker 2>this child you know, actually find him? So then ye,

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<v Speaker 2>later you discover that he has been carrying it around

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, while he's doing just exactly the same things, the

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<v Speaker 1>little story that we've been seeing the flashback, he sees

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<v Speaker 1>a little boy. I mean, he's fine with destroying this

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no problem, but he sees a little boy.

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<v Speaker 1>And so then he leaves their money plus the money

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<v Speaker 1>of the loan shark I believe, behind.

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<v Speaker 2>Which yeah, maybe that's how he ended up Australia. Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take the next plane going anywhere, even.

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<v Speaker 1>To Mystery Island, where I shall set about making people

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<v Speaker 1>hate my guns. What an efficient job he has done

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<v Speaker 1>with it. I mean, even after he's been tortured, we

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<v Speaker 1>still kind of hate him. Yeah, right up until.

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<v Speaker 2>The story, Yeah, they didn't. In the other backstories, they've

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<v Speaker 2>generally explained how the people got on the plane, how

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<v Speaker 2>they came to be on this trip, and they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do that for him. So I guess that's flashback round two.

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<v Speaker 1>And about this point they realized, Oh, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna need a lot of flashbacks. Let's let's stop

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<v Speaker 1>Russian people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we're not gonna tell everything.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to's neander a little more with that, shall we? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>More of of Son and gin Gin being unreasonable seeming

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<v Speaker 1>and Sun furtively talking to people in English and saving

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<v Speaker 1>Shannon and her asthma attack with eucalyptus, which seems like

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else could have thought of.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, all right, Well, I think Jack when he realized,

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, oh, yeah, I'm dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>I should have I am a man of science. I

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<v Speaker 1>have lost touch with the elements of the earth, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>sickling elements of the earth. Yeah. But Jen and Michael

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<v Speaker 1>are still sort of at each other, and I spoiler alert,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't think will be too too. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure at some point those two guys become buddies, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready for it. Let's move it along. Yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm remembering it incorrectly, so it's not a spoiler, but

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<v Speaker 1>if it was, if one of them was female, you

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<v Speaker 1>would be going just kiss already.

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<v Speaker 2>Yah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, all right, we know you hate each

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<v Speaker 1>other's guts. Something's gonna make your friends come on moo

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<v Speaker 1>moo mooop. So I'm waiting for that. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>all Dieters were paying attention to the scene with Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>and Claarreen joined the invisible peanut butter. See you just

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<v Speaker 1>you get yourself an empty box of chocolates and you

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<v Speaker 1>pick out a bond.

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<v Speaker 2>Bond not satisfying, but somehow it convinced her to move

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<v Speaker 2>to the cave.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I guess it did. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>else could she do but be charmed. She really didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have another option.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was awfully confident about the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>would be able to get her some peanut butter, some

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<v Speaker 2>real peanut butter.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the figures Hurling must have some because Hurley's mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>poor Hurling really is usually there for comic relief. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can still hurt his feelings. Stop it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad he spoke up. He didn't just suffer in silence.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, dude, that's not cool. I don't accuse

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<v Speaker 2>the fact guy affording food.

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<v Speaker 1>He says no, and probably don't ask Sawyer because if

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<v Speaker 1>he has it, he's not going to give it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure isn't, or he's going to tell you he has

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<v Speaker 2>it and then not give it to you because he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually have right, does not actually have the inhalers, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet he is willing to be tortured for them, although

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<v Speaker 1>nobody would have believed him if he said he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have them, right, but they do at the end, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess after he tricks Kate into kissing.

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<v Speaker 2>Him, right, Yeah, and it wasn't just a quick peck either.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. This, this Jack, Kate and Sawyer triangle is already

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<v Speaker 1>tiresome and it just started, right, but you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>presume it's going to keep going for many. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>have it many. You got to have romantic tension. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's in the in the TV drama rule book. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't care if they're on an there's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>romantic tension at least is if they're at least uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at least three people. At least a triangle's

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<v Speaker 1>worth of people. You gotta do it, so if not,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to find a native on the island. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>They're like triangle a triangle. O. Well, so parenting wise, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that asthma stuff looked really scary. It did, Yes, they

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<v Speaker 1>should direction to that actress is just just pretend like

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<v Speaker 1>you're dying and your gasp just gasp over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if she was actually doing that or they

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<v Speaker 1>just recorded somebody having an asthma right briefeard, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Gave her lots of gray makeup to make her look

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<v Speaker 1>and only one time, had an asthma attack. This is

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<v Speaker 1>like easily out of breath, but never had had an

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<v Speaker 1>asthma attack, So I don't know what that was. I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned it every now and then to doctors and they

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<v Speaker 1>go but like like I'm making it all off, like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a letter somewhere saying I'm sorry I caused your

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<v Speaker 1>asthma attack in person anyway. So for parents of kids

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<v Speaker 1>with asthma, I imagine being someplace without an inhaler and

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<v Speaker 1>the person with asthma, which was boon in this case

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<v Speaker 1>because he's just helpless. Yeah, unless you know how to

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<v Speaker 1>find eucalyptus and.

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<v Speaker 2>What to do with its.

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<v Speaker 1>Fine, Yes, why doesn't everybody just keep some eucalyptus and

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<v Speaker 1>forget the inhalers.

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<v Speaker 2>But good question. But it did show that you know

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of dependence, yes, that a kid has for

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<v Speaker 2>a parent. You know, they might they might act like

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<v Speaker 2>they resent you and don't want to hear what you

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<v Speaker 2>have to say, but when they're not feeling good, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's don't leave.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, yes exactly, Yes, parents or siblings, definitely right and

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<v Speaker 1>also sort of depending that another person can make this

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<v Speaker 1>right for you. You know, like he's going to go

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<v Speaker 1>get the inhalers, it's going to be fine, right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking care of the inhalers in the first place. Because

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<v Speaker 2>she couldn't be trusted.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, that's a lot of responsibility for somebody's ability

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<v Speaker 1>to draw a breath. Right, And little Sawyer was the

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<v Speaker 1>victim of some well, definitely bad parenting on his mother's part, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for taking up the con man. Maybe not so good

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<v Speaker 1>bad parenting on his father's part by falling for it

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<v Speaker 1>and then killing his Yeah, his wife and himself. That's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bad. That's pretty bad parenting. That's you know, leaving. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we've messed everything up. Let's just go and leave the

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<v Speaker 1>kid completely defenseless and alone. That'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I won't have any lasting effect on this.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll be fine. I'm sure he'll nice family will take

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<v Speaker 1>him in, and he'll have a perfectly pleasant life and

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<v Speaker 1>not be scarred at all by this. Oh man, parents, No, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>think about it. Living through the humiliation of having been

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<v Speaker 1>fleeced of all your money may be bad, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>stick around for the kid, will you please?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>And also some h some consideration of the notion of punishment,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe not torture, but maybe just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the different disciplinary tactics parents may choose to

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<v Speaker 1>use to either get the information they want or express

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<v Speaker 1>their displeasure with somebody's behavior. I don't think too many

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<v Speaker 1>of us are putting, you know, reads under people's fingernails.

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<v Speaker 1>But still did not particularly work for Sawyer the punishment,

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<v Speaker 1>and oftentimes it does not. And ye know, kiss work

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<v Speaker 1>as it happened, I didn't get the inhalers back. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sometimes you have to be a little creative.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you have to kiss the slimy, annoying guy. But

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<v Speaker 1>from a parenting point of view, yeah, sometimes you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a gentler approach. Perhaps sometimes you know you don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>need to be doing the the hard, yelly work. And

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes there are things behind the behavior that you do

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<v Speaker 1>not know.

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<v Speaker 2>Behavior is communication, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And Sawyer's been communicating pretty loudly hate me, hate me,

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<v Speaker 1>hate me. So you're giving him what he wants when

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<v Speaker 1>you do that, uh, and that may be not the

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<v Speaker 1>correct response. Right. So that's a little parenting tip.

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<v Speaker 2>And in terms of actual parenting in the show, we

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<v Speaker 2>did not see Walt at.

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<v Speaker 1>All, So Walt was not on it at all, So

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<v Speaker 1>not too much of Michael, none of Walt Wald. We

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<v Speaker 1>assume he and Vin sent her off having adventures for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, watching mister Locke do whatever mister Locke is doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, sharpening his knives, skinny animals and all that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of wholesome stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you know, it's like boy scout camp. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all good. He's had to build a fire, right. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember if this is a thing or not,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll just say it as though I were watching

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<v Speaker 1>this the first time. Locke was saying that Sawyer had

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<v Speaker 1>an incentive to not leave the island because he's hoarding

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<v Speaker 1>everything and he likes that. You know who else has

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<v Speaker 1>an incentive not to get the off the island?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, John Locke, yep, the guy who can walk when

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<v Speaker 2>he's on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Island exactly, and the guy who is so skillfully turning

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<v Speaker 1>the blame on somebody else and encouraging that we keep

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on that fellaw, Yeah, keep an eye on

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<v Speaker 1>the wall, and so we shall and say kind of

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<v Speaker 1>swallowed it pretty she really did.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he was primed to he wanted to swallow it, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see you,

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<v Speaker 1>John Locke, I see you. I see what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of fun, but I see it, yeah, possibly

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<v Speaker 1>because I've seen it before. Possibly just because it's not

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<v Speaker 1>that subtled one or the other, right, but we will

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<v Speaker 1>find out more next Tuesday, as we continue with season one,

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<v Speaker 1>episode nine of Lost Solitary, which I believe is a

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<v Speaker 1>flashback episode. Makes sense. He's walking, he's thinking. Yep, he's

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<v Speaker 1>thinking back because he's walking. And we will see you

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<v Speaker 1>back here tomorrow to discuss the finale of A Gentleman

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<v Speaker 1>in Moscow, as well as season the season four premiere

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<v Speaker 1>of Only Murders in the Building. They're back with guest

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<v Speaker 1>stars Goal and Meryl Streep is back. Just saw something

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter where they were going to the I guess

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<v Speaker 1>there was some sort of a premiere for the series,

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<v Speaker 1>and she and Martin Short were holding hands and people

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<v Speaker 1>are going they're dating, they're dating, and somebody else said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at that age, sometimes holding hands just means

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<v Speaker 1>neither one of you wants to break a hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>True, so true? Anyway possible of her rumblings about that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to do it, of not so we'll see,

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<v Speaker 1>but always nice to see them both. YEA. Thank you

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