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<v Speaker 1>Multiple people in my family clean my father, are veterans,

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<v Speaker 1>troops that have been to war and now they're back.

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<v Speaker 2>And think and be grateful for their service, sacrifice, love

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<v Speaker 2>for their country, just unselfishness, all that they do for us.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some people in this country who take extraordinary

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<v Speaker 3>steps to provide for the freedom and security.

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<v Speaker 2>We forget that those people exist.

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<v Speaker 1>We know them as the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines,

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<v Speaker 1>and Coast Guard. They call themselves soldiers, seals, rangers, airmen, sailors, devil.

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<v Speaker 2>Dogs, and so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>We call them fathers, brothers, sons and husbands, mothers, daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>sisters and wives. We call them friend and neighbor. These

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<v Speaker 1>veterans answered the call, now we answer theirs. They are

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<v Speaker 1>the best our country has to offer, and we love them. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we honor them and we serve them. David Malsby is

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<v Speaker 4>Com all, RIGHT i got a couple of combat that's

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<v Speaker 4>in here with us. Today i've Got max Back reintroduce, yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Sir my name Is Robert, McLean but he called Me

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<v Speaker 4>mac at the. Camp i'm a lead mentor At Camp,

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<v Speaker 4>hope and we bought a new individual here this week

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<v Speaker 4>to go ahead and share this life story very. Cool

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<v Speaker 4>and you SERVED.

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<v Speaker 5>I served in The Gold war Era Panami. Army, Yes i'm,

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<v Speaker 5>sorry eighty second. Airborn all, right very, Cool all up

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<v Speaker 5>to you, now grand.

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<v Speaker 2>Introduction my name Is Patrick fisher From Leake, City. TEXAS

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<v Speaker 2>i served in The United States army The cavalry from

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nine to twenty. Twenty and you. DEPLOYED i Deployed, Afghanistan,

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<v Speaker 2>iraq And South.

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<v Speaker 4>Korea, Okay so from Leak, City so that is not

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<v Speaker 4>familiar in The houston, area just a short little. Drive, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>yeah so in the, area Greater houston. Area so why'd

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<v Speaker 4>you why'd you decide to join the?

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<v Speaker 2>Army kind of got out of high school and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>re have a plan and ended up kind, of uh

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<v Speaker 2>ended up being the best thing for me to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the. Army and ONCE i got, IN I i

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<v Speaker 2>knew that that's WHAT i was made. For?

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<v Speaker 4>Gotcha so high school? Anything? Yeah you like the star athlete?

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<v Speaker 4>There high?

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<v Speaker 2>SCHOOL i was on the wrestling. Team, oh, okay they're,

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<v Speaker 2>good and uh that definitely got me. Prepared uh, Physically

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<v Speaker 2>i've been physically active all my life rate, baseball, soccer, UH,

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<v Speaker 2>bmx bike racing did that for a. While that was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fun and, yeah being joining the, army

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<v Speaker 2>it was like all the physical stuff was pretty. Easy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah never messed with the. WRESTLER i JUST i learned

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<v Speaker 4>that very early. Life my youngest brother is seven years

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<v Speaker 4>older THAN i, am and he was all state In

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<v Speaker 4>oklahoma and he loved to practice on. Me it never

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<v Speaker 4>ended well for me. Ever. Uh, yeah never missed with a.

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<v Speaker 4>Wrestler so why the army is opposed to anything?

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<v Speaker 2>Else, well, yeah just my father took me to the

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<v Speaker 2>recruiter AND i was in there talking with, them AND

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<v Speaker 2>i think there was a moment WHERE i seen A

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<v Speaker 2>navy recruiter outside and she was, like, yeah you can

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<v Speaker 2>join The navy. Seals, Uh AND i was you, KNOW

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<v Speaker 2>i thought about, it BUT i didn't want. TO i

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do. SOMETHING i wanted to be on the.

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<v Speaker 2>GROUND i wanted to you, know A navy seal sounded pretty,

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<v Speaker 2>cool BUT i didn't want to not make it and

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<v Speaker 2>then be on a. Boat. YEAH i ended up in The.

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<v Speaker 2>CAVALRY i ended up going To basic where my dad Went,

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<v Speaker 2>basic and that was kind of. Cool whenever he came

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<v Speaker 2>and visited, ME i was able to show him where

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<v Speaker 2>the the old barracks. Was, uh it was actually the

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<v Speaker 2>same barracks in the movie. Stripes, yeah that's WHERE i

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<v Speaker 2>did some training out. There that's where he was. At

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<v Speaker 2>uh so that was kind of. Cool, yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio glad to have you.

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<v Speaker 4>Along, uh got a couple of combat vets in. Here,

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<v Speaker 4>mac how you?

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<v Speaker 2>In?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Ok i'm, sorry can you hear?

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<v Speaker 5>Go oh, Yeah i've been well. Started thank you for

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<v Speaker 5>asking just uh taking in this nice winter that's supposed to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be but he's just. Nice what this winter you used

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<v Speaker 4>to get this stuff? Together you? Know, uh it's eighty

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<v Speaker 4>degrees or something about eighty.

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<v Speaker 5>Supposed to be once a, time. Sir what it's supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to be. Winter I'm i'm from you, Know east. Cold,

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<v Speaker 4>Postcards, okay so, yeah, yeah that's why you're gonna HAVE mani, right,

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<v Speaker 4>yeah let's just no thank. YOU i don't want to shovel,

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<v Speaker 4>it scrape it off the windshield.

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<v Speaker 3>Or just a little.

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<v Speaker 4>SIDEWALK i don't know what You're oh NO i. DO

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<v Speaker 4>i got to do that WHEN i was a, Kid,

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<v Speaker 4>like no, more thank?

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<v Speaker 2>You what?

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<v Speaker 4>Correction THEN i miss it and you're free to miss. It, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>yes that's completely.

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<v Speaker 5>Fine i'll send you a letter from post From. Alaska,

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<v Speaker 5>nope only In. July, Beautiful, yes absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>Stunning. Yeah. Absolutely how long have you been in the, army, Mat.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been going on twenty, years twenty plus two.

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<v Speaker 4>Thousand you look back on it, now all these years,

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<v Speaker 4>later how do you feel about your time in The.

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<v Speaker 4>ARMY i enjoyed. IT i really enjoyed, myself even a bad.

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<v Speaker 5>Time so good in a sense because you grew, up you,

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<v Speaker 5>know it helped me grow up, anywhere coming from WHERE

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<v Speaker 5>i come. From so but NOW i see a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of damage that was done THAT i still harbored. Today

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<v Speaker 5>AND i should have, known because my father went through

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<v Speaker 5>the same thing when he got out Of, vietnam out

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<v Speaker 5>the military, then and he showed a lot of damaged

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<v Speaker 5>then as me being a kid to watch, it so

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<v Speaker 5>it pretty much effected, me affects anybody, thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Difinitely. Yeah you, know through the years of doing what we,

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<v Speaker 4>do met an awful lot of the children and our,

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<v Speaker 4>adults but the children Of vietnam, vets and that was

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<v Speaker 4>prior to the diagnosis OF. Ptsd they didn't use that

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<v Speaker 4>term back. Then it's not a new, issue but the new.

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<v Speaker 4>Terminology but we know from Our vietnam veteran population when

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<v Speaker 4>they came, home they were struggling big. Time and one

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<v Speaker 4>because of the political ongoings in the nation at that

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<v Speaker 4>time and all the rioting and all that stuff that

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<v Speaker 4>came along With. VIETNAM a lot of the guys when

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<v Speaker 4>they came home didn't want anybody to know that they'd,

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<v Speaker 4>served and sure didn't go to THE, va and THE

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<v Speaker 4>va wasn't any help even if they did. Go they

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<v Speaker 4>just they had no clue what to do with those.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys and so we have this SECONDARY, ptsd which is

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<v Speaker 4>an actual. Diagnosis but, many AS i talked to many

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<v Speaker 4>now adult children Of vietnam. Vets now that they've heard

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<v Speaker 4>the TERM ptsd and have kind of become familiar with

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<v Speaker 4>what it actually is and what it looks, like they

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<v Speaker 4>look back and, say that's exactly what was going on

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<v Speaker 4>in my. Home your, story that's very much my. Story

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<v Speaker 4>and any thing about announce being. Addressed well because my,

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<v Speaker 4>father oh my, god AND i emulated, that you, Know

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<v Speaker 4>and NOW i learned to respect my father a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit more to understand what he was going, through and

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<v Speaker 4>that's why he had a problem reintegrating with family and

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<v Speaker 4>so AND i see myself in this error. Too my

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<v Speaker 4>mother to this day never agreed with the. Military reason

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<v Speaker 4>why is the same? Thing And i'm third generation and

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<v Speaker 4>she could see her baby, son you know it's that.

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<v Speaker 4>Way so, yeah But i'm glad it's being addressed.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure you, know in The vietnam era, one THE va

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't tracking suicides at. ALL i don't think they did

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<v Speaker 4>that till two thousand and two thousand and. One somewhere

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<v Speaker 4>in there they started trying to track. It so when

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<v Speaker 4>you start looking at statistics, data what do we know

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<v Speaker 4>about The vietnam veteran? Population and it's impossible to get

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<v Speaker 4>even a consensus on what's believed to be the suicide

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<v Speaker 4>rate amongst Our vietnam. Vets and, again if you're not

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<v Speaker 4>even trying to track it from we supposedly began ur

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<v Speaker 4>and volve military militarily in nineteen sixty, five so if

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<v Speaker 4>you go sixty five to seventy, three they weren't tracking it.

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<v Speaker 4>Then then they didn't track it from seventy three TILL

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<v Speaker 4>i think it was two, thousand so there's another twenty something,

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<v Speaker 4>years so you got over thirty years of you, know

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<v Speaker 4>men and women we were, losing but there was no

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<v Speaker 4>tracking of, it so there was no way to go.

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<v Speaker 4>vietnam there's no way to. Know so WHEN i started

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<v Speaker 4>were killed In. Vietnam if the eight to ten number is,

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<v Speaker 4>many involved in drug use while they were. There then

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<v Speaker 4>what happened when they came, home being spat, on called

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<v Speaker 4>like that's trauma on Top we got layered. Trauma now

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<v Speaker 4>what the number, IS i know it's. High but whatever

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<v Speaker 4>the number, is it's inexcusable what our nation did and

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<v Speaker 4>what our nation did not, do and how we did

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<v Speaker 4>not take care of people like your. Dad it's so.

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<v Speaker 5>Unfortunate and think about. IT i remember taking my, dad,

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<v Speaker 5>well all, right my mother taking my dad back to

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<v Speaker 5>tour In, vietnam and he was spitting that him before

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<v Speaker 5>he got on the, plane just when we had to

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<v Speaker 5>the actually spit on. Him as a, KID i couldn't understand,

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<v Speaker 5>that you. Know and then AS i grow, OLDER i.

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<v Speaker 4>Me so he did a second. Tour he did a

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<v Speaker 4>Second that's rare error there for The vietnam. Guys. Man all,

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<v Speaker 4>jumped back into the story With patrick and hear about

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<v Speaker 4>peer to. Peer faith based christ centered doesn't mean you

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<v Speaker 4>in their life had a faith system that they cling

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<v Speaker 4>to and got it completely smashed while they dealt with

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<v Speaker 4>the trauma of, war and we just want to help them.

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<v Speaker 4>Reconnect we have to ask the question where Was? God

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<v Speaker 4>because it's a question that's one of the most natural

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<v Speaker 4>questions you ask of any kind of. Trauma how does

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<v Speaker 4>how does this? Happen if there's A? God so we

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<v Speaker 4>we don't answer that question for. You we just walked

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<v Speaker 4>through the process of you coming to your own. Conclusion

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<v Speaker 4>but it is peer to. Peer so that's one veteran

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<v Speaker 4>who's come through the, program Like mac turned around helping

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<v Speaker 4>the next veteran Like patrick come come into the program

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<v Speaker 4>and help change the trajectory of their. Life and at

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the, day that's what we're looking to.

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<v Speaker 4>Do we want to put you on a better. Path

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<v Speaker 4>So patrick must talk just a minute about your. Time

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<v Speaker 4>you Were Afghanistan. Interacks so you got to visit both, Countries,

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<v Speaker 2>See, yeah there's a lot of a lot of, Sand

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<v Speaker 2>iraq and. Desert afghanistan was a little bit, different had

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<v Speaker 2>more trees and kind of mountains and. Water BUT i don't,

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<v Speaker 2>KNOW i didn't really mind. IT i kind OF i

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<v Speaker 2>really enjoyed it WHENEVER i was. There what we were, doing, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>well a lot of times we did we did ko

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<v Speaker 2>like key leader. Engagements we would go out to the

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<v Speaker 2>Local afghan Or iraq army and police and we'd speak

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<v Speaker 2>and vice. Versa we take them with us and kind

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<v Speaker 2>would you, know go to go to their place and

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<v Speaker 2>eat and uh talk to the people and really try to,

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<v Speaker 2>help you, know just help help them as much as we.

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<v Speaker 2>Could and. Uh, yeah In iraq we had we had

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and that was pretty cool being able to work

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<v Speaker 2>from The kurdish side and The iraqi side BECAUSE i

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<v Speaker 4>Gotcha obviously your camp. Hope so there's A ptsd diagnosis

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<v Speaker 4>in there. Somewhere, yes is that basically stem from a?

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<v Speaker 4>Event multiple? Events the whole? Shebang where did that come?

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<v Speaker 2>From? Yeah the whole? Shebang, uh pretty. MUCH i remember

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<v Speaker 2>coming home From iraq on mid tour leave and just feeling,

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<v Speaker 2>overly you, know guarded about, everything, watchful, like oh, man you,

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<v Speaker 2>guess looking for the enemy EVERYWHERE i. Went and, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah years, later BEFORE i started getting out of the,

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<v Speaker 2>MILITARY i realized WHAT ptsd, was AND i started learning about,

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<v Speaker 2>so so like you went looking for the answers a little, Bit,

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<v Speaker 2>DO i was ACTUALLY i was in the army AND

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<v Speaker 2>at that time WHERE i was, at they called it behavioral.

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<v Speaker 2>HEALTH uh talked to psychiatrists and, YEAH i was. STRESSED

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<v Speaker 4>Time so did they diagnose you or was it? Later?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes they WHENEVER i was going through THAT i was

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosed WITH ptsd and that was AS i was getting

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<v Speaker 2>like a medical discharged.

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<v Speaker 4>As as you go to THE va when you got

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<v Speaker 4>out of The.

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<v Speaker 2>Army EVENTUALLY i. DID i got h, SERVICE i got

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<v Speaker 2>service connected BEFORE i got out or WHILE i was getting.

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<v Speaker 2>know it was kind of. Wild it was like you

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<v Speaker 2>got to come to these appointments and do all these,

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<v Speaker 2>things but we're only gonna be at work for you,

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<v Speaker 2>know two days a week or something or you. Know

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<v Speaker 2>it was like a lot of stuff was. Canceled and but,

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<v Speaker 2>YEAH i went to one appointment at the hospital On

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<v Speaker 2>the guy was, Like, hey what has all hurt on

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<v Speaker 2>you since you've been in the. Army SO i had

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<v Speaker 2>that moment right just to think about, it and was, like,

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<v Speaker 2>was the point WHERE i got you, know service. Connected

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<v Speaker 2>get in, out, okay, yeah all, right just uh ask

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<v Speaker 2>everybody to get your phone. Out put this phone number

418
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<v Speaker 2>in your. Phone it is our Combat Trauma support. Line

419
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<v Speaker 2>you can call. ANYTIME a combat veteran's going to answer the.

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<v Speaker 2>Phone eight seven seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy.

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<v Speaker 2>Three you may think you'll never need, it but you

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<v Speaker 2>may come across somebody who might need. It please put

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<v Speaker 2>this in your phone eight seven seven seven one seven

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<v Speaker 2>seventy eight seventy. THREE a combat vet is going to

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<v Speaker 2>answer the. Phone all, Right we're gonna take a clue

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<v Speaker 2>break of right back with more Of road To Hope

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<v Speaker 2>radio and were welcome back to The road To Hope

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<v Speaker 2>radio talking with the mac AND I States army That

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<v Speaker 2>patrick AND I States army That.

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<v Speaker 4>Patrick caun talk about getting in the medical. Discharge when

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<v Speaker 4>was that while youre was? That? Okay so you're out

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<v Speaker 4>in twenty, twenty which, obviously, uh just getting out of the,

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<v Speaker 4>army which you've been in for how long.

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<v Speaker 2>Eleven, years seven, months twenty two.

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<v Speaker 4>Days, yeah so that's basically all you knew is you,

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<v Speaker 4>know someone growing up into manhood that's all you knew

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<v Speaker 4>was the, army, right and you're jumping out and what

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<v Speaker 4>IT i mean that in and of itself is one.

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<v Speaker 4>Thing adding it in the middle OF covid that's a

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<v Speaker 4>whole nother.

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<v Speaker 2>Deal, yeah it. Was it was. Strange the whole, world you, know,

442
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<v Speaker 2>changes AND i had it was having a, kid you,

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<v Speaker 2>know AS i was getting, out throw that in there

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<v Speaker 2>and figure out. Life it was kind of LIKE i

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<v Speaker 2>had a class on acceptance. Earlier that kind of made

446
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<v Speaker 2>me think about you, know it was really hard to. Accept.

447
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<v Speaker 2>Uh life was. Different, uh you, KNOW i had to

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<v Speaker 2>be a different. Person it was kind of, like, uh

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<v Speaker 2>getting getting trained to be a, civilian almost like going

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<v Speaker 2>going to war with no with no. Training uh it's

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<v Speaker 2>like they trained us up go to, war but coming,

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<v Speaker 2>out it's like getting out going to war with no. Training. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>YEAH i wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Prepared and one of the worst things really ABOUT code

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<v Speaker 4>was the whole isolation. Thing one of the tailtale. Signs

456
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<v Speaker 4>one of the hey you're in deep trouble WITH ptsd

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<v Speaker 4>has proven to be the. Isolation. Uh once someone gets

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<v Speaker 4>into the point of, isolating there's there should be red

459
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<v Speaker 4>flags sirens going off everywhere. Everybody somebody needs to step.

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<v Speaker 4>In they're going to become a statistic on the isolation

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<v Speaker 4>things they once you're, there it's a very dark. Place

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<v Speaker 4>so you're coming out of the, military then you're going

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<v Speaker 4>into a situation where just trying to learn how to

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<v Speaker 4>live life as an adult and where you're not being

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<v Speaker 4>told everything and supplied everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And.

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<v Speaker 4>Isolate like that's about as bad of a concoction that

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<v Speaker 4>you CAN i can think. Of so you've been. Diagnosed

469
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<v Speaker 4>we haven't talked about, this but you also have traumatic brain.

470
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<v Speaker 4>Injurgues all, right, yeah, right so there's a lot going,

471
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<v Speaker 4>on right what what would You what did you? Do

472
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<v Speaker 4>how did you try to?

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<v Speaker 2>COPE i just try to do the BEST i BEST

474
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<v Speaker 2>i could WHERE i was, at and uh get help

475
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<v Speaker 2>WHERE i. Could AND i don't, KNOW i was still

476
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<v Speaker 2>in the, mindset uh you, know a different, mindset and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>YEAH i JUST i kind of made made some friends

478
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<v Speaker 2>WHERE i was, at and, they you, know weren't the,

479
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<v Speaker 2>best uh probably the best influences in some. Cases and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah it seemed LIKE i was helping every everybody else

481
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<v Speaker 2>and what they were. Doing AND i would go work

482
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<v Speaker 2>for different people and try to you, KNOW i was, like,

483
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<v Speaker 2>WELL i need, work you, KNOW i need to go figure,

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<v Speaker 2>out you, know some, skills and you, KNOW i kind

485
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<v Speaker 2>of took. It it was, like, well even IF i

486
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<v Speaker 2>don't get, paid you, Know i'll still go work and.

487
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<v Speaker 2>Learn and, yeah that was really. EXHAUSTING i was always

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<v Speaker 2>behind or not able to catch up on the bills

489
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<v Speaker 2>or having to you, know skip a, bill AND i,

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<v Speaker 2>know just kind of everything slowly eroded.

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<v Speaker 4>Away did you eventually go to THE va?

492
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<v Speaker 2>Eventually? Yes why why'd you do?

493
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<v Speaker 3>That?

494
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<v Speaker 2>Well my. Parents my parents came and helped me big.

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<v Speaker 2>Time but whenever they, did they brought me back here

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<v Speaker 2>to south Of, Houston League, city AND i felt LIKE

497
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<v Speaker 2>i still had unfinished things in the, world you. KNOW i.

498
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<v Speaker 2>WAS i was in a, relationship AND i didn't realize

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<v Speaker 2>yet that WHAT i was doing wasn't. WORKING i THOUGHT

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<v Speaker 2>i could still go back out there and make everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Right and eventually it was LIKE i was, homeless, hungry,

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<v Speaker 2>uh been in jail a few times and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>had my had to have my rights taken away really

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<v Speaker 2>and at that point it was either walk back into

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<v Speaker 2>the town WHERE i was at on foot or go

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<v Speaker 2>to THE. Va AND i went to THE va and

507
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<v Speaker 2>checked in and went, yeah they went, like uh it

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<v Speaker 2>was this was In, Topeka kansas and went to the

509
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<v Speaker 2>psych ward and then from, there, uh they made a.

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<v Speaker 2>Recommendation DID i go to a program Called? Startup this

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<v Speaker 2>was In Kansas. City SO i went to that and

512
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<v Speaker 2>it was really. GOOD i started feeling better and then

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<v Speaker 2>from THERE i went to a domicillary and THEN i

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<v Speaker 2>got my own. Place AFTER i got out of, there

515
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<v Speaker 2>Hud vash helped me get an apartment and THEN i

516
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<v Speaker 2>was able to GET i got custody of my son

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<v Speaker 2>by doing, that AND i was kind of in a

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<v Speaker 2>point then where in my HEAD i was, like, OH

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<v Speaker 2>i need to be. WORKING i need to be. Working

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<v Speaker 2>but it's worked out to. Be you, Know i'm medically

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<v Speaker 2>retired And i've gotten more out of going and getting

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<v Speaker 2>help and being a part of this. Program how did

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<v Speaker 2>you hear about this? PROGRAM i think from The Debate Medical. Center,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah my stepmom and my father had found this the

525
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:21.239
<v Speaker 2>information for the. Program and when did you get? Here november,

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<v Speaker 2>fifth twenty twenty, Four SO.

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<v Speaker 4>I been here for a few. Months. Now what what's

528
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<v Speaker 4>changing for? You if? Anything hopefully something's. Changing, Well i've.

529
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<v Speaker 2>Kind of learned a lot more about. Religion kind of

530
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>brought me back to my, faith kind of learning to

531
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<v Speaker 2>deal with some of the things that bother. Me, uh

532
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<v Speaker 2>some of the things that BEFORE i might not have

533
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:10.480
<v Speaker 2>even known what they. Were but those, things you, know,

534
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>unchecked eventually turn into anger and some of this that's

535
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<v Speaker 2>one of the Things i've been dealing. With. Uh learning

536
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<v Speaker 2>some coping, skills doing some deep breathing and, meditation practicing,

537
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<v Speaker 2>gratitude practicing positive, affirmations and learning to communicate, better be

538
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<v Speaker 2>more assertive and.

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<v Speaker 4>Your famous and in contact with You baylor And.

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<v Speaker 2>Kemp, yes, yeah my dad brings my son to see

541
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<v Speaker 2>me every. Weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>Fantastic, well keep keep keep doing the. WORK i know

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<v Speaker 4>it can be very frustrating of. Times keep doing the.

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<v Speaker 4>Work the end, Result, well you'll be glad you. Did

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<v Speaker 4>AM i, Right, mike you did? It oh, yes, SIR

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<v Speaker 4>i am tore grateful to Have you didn't like it for,

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<v Speaker 4>us but well you know who. Would it's a lot of. Work,

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<v Speaker 4>yes it is a lot of work and not pleasant work.

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<v Speaker 4>Either he thank you for. Listening, Again we truly do

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552
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<v Speaker 4>need to get the word. Out we can't afford to

553
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<v Speaker 4>continue losing our, veterans so please Share road To Hope

554
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<v Speaker 4>radio wherever you. Listen thanks again for joining. Us we

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<v Speaker 4>do look forward to being with you again next week

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<v Speaker 4>for more Of road To Hope.

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