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Speaker 1: All right, off of a weekend that has seen a

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welterweight women's world title win for Lauren Price that we're

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ready to go over. That has also seen former world

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title challenger Joett Gonzalez win a featherweight show down.

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Speaker 2: We'll go over that as well.

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Speaker 1: We've also got an outstanding prospect from the United States

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that Dan Rayfield's talking to. We've got a lot to

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go over, news, nostalgia, and much more. It is the

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Fight Freaks Unit recap podcast. Hope you're doing well in

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the merrimnth of March on the somewhat capable host TJ.

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Speaker 2: Reeves.

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Speaker 1: Hello to the insider. After all, Fight Freaks Unit is

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his substack and his newsletter. Hello Dan Rayfield, who is

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smiling even though you can't see him. After the Duke

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Blue Devils once again drop kicked North Carolina, the arch

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rival in college basketball.

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Speaker 2: You're happy about that.

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Speaker 1: Good to be back with you here off the weekend

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as we head to another week.

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Speaker 3: I'm very happy about that outright ACC championship in the

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regular season, dominating victory once again as they cruise through

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the ACC for the last little bit. But you know what,

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it was good. They got a little pressed from the

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tar heels for part of that game, so we can

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see what they're made of and hopefully they can to

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the acc.

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Speaker 2: They look the real deal.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, my Memphis Tigers have won their conference.

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Could it be a Memphis Duke showdown somewhere down the road,

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you and me jousting with plastic silverware. It might happen

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in college basketball, all right. So there's a little bit

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on that, and now we're ready to get into recapping

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the fights. And as we mentioned, we also have a

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special interview. Also, we have a couple of fights midweek

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of interest. So even though this is the recap podcast

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by the Rayfield, it also doubles as a preview here

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a little bit for the midweek fights in Australia and Japan.

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We'll explain a little more in a couple of moments.

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Speaker 3: You tell our peeps who the interview is with.

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Speaker 2: The Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 1: At the beginning of the show. Thank you for paying

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attention that Amari Jones is with us.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned you you hadn't mentioned his name.

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Speaker 2: I thought I said his name.

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Speaker 1: The former olympian who's on this se prospect A prospect

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all right, the former olympian, right and he's with the

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matchroom stable of fighters and he's fighting this coming weekend,

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so it's very much relevant.

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Speaker 3: Bro Jan, you for the only Olympic medalists for the

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United States in the Paris Olympic.

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Speaker 1: You will hear from him post haste. Fourth with coming

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up again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you're following subscribing. We've got lots of podcast

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something to do with that, but also the conclusion of

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the re Odds season with the huge pay per view.

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A lot of you have found us in the month

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All right, let's get into it, so we do have

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a win for Lauren Price and the Women's World Welterweight

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Unification showdown on Friday afternoon US time, Friday night, London time,

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the boxer main event. I must confess to you and

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all of the blur of my weekend, I have not

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seen this.

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Speaker 2: I saw a highlight of it. I know you have.

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Speaker 1: You've been much more honed in on it, and Price

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does get the win. Give me a thought or two

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in the recap mode.

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Speaker 3: Lauren Price is a really good fighter. I mean, this

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was not a fight where she's gotten that vast professional experience.

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It was only her ninth professional fight, but she was

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an Olympic gold medalist in the two thousand delayed twenty

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twenty Olympics. You know that took place in twenty twenty one,

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and she has done nothing but fight almost flawlessly as

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a professional. And now she takes a big step up

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against Natasha Jonas, who was an Olympian herself many years

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before Lauren Price was. In fact, in twenty twelve, Natasha

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Jonas was the very first female Olympic boxer for Team

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Great Britain. So she is somewhat of a trailblazer and

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she had a hell of a career herself in terms

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of her professional accomplishment. She's a two division world champion.

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She came into this fight having two of the welterweight

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world title belts, and she had defeated you know, good fighters.

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matter of fact, which was one of the better women's

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Katie Taylor Serrano type matchups in terms of the action.

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But her fight that was against Mikhaela Mayer that took

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place in twenty twenty four was a tremendous battle where

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she won a split decision. But she's fought plenty of

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the top names in the weight classes that she has

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participated in. She's actually has done what a lot of

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the women do that is different than the men, which

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is when she won a world title, she did it

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at one fifty four, and then she dropped down and

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became a champion at one forty seven. Typically you go up,

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especially in the men's side, but in the women's side

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of boxing, it's a little bit more common. Serrano's a

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perfect example. She's gone down as well as gone up

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in terms of winning world titnels. But anyway, Jonas came

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into this fight as a, you know, to unify these belts,

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and my perspective going into the fight was they're both

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tremendous fighters. But it's hard to look at a forty

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year old Jonas going up against a very fresh and

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prime and hungary Lauren Price, who was only thirty a

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tenure age gap is dramatic, particularly when Jonas has been

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talking about being, you know, retiring for the last bit

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and kind of was convinced, I guess to keep going anyway.

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She put up a good fight, but, as she said

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in her post fight interview, because she just could not

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deal with lourn Price's speed at all. And while she

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was throwing one punch at a time and looking for

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a big shot, Lauren Price was absolutely dazzling with her

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skills and landing combinations and tight jab and doing all

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the things you're supposed to do, and she totally dominated

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the fight. She won, going away one hundred to ninety

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on one scorecard to shut out and the two other

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judges ninety eight, ninety two, ninety eight ninety three. This

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was a one sided fight and Lauren Price, she won

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the fight. She unified three of the belts. And what

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I like about it is that Jonas gave her the

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full credit afterwards. There was no bad feeling. She's like,

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you know, gave the gave her the props, and from

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Price's perspective, appreciative of the opportunity to fight a classy

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fighter and a classy person like Natasa Jonas and calling

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out the other. The other wants to fight the unification

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with either Michaela may or Sandy Ryan, because Michaela has

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the other belt, the WBO title. She fighting Sandy Ryan

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into the month in the rematch of their first fight

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that was so excellent, And I think there's a very

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good chance that whoever wins is going to be an

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opponent for Lauren Price. Maybe not the next fight, but

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surely that maybe the fight after. I mean, there's one

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of the one of the great things if you follow

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women's boxing, there's not a lot of marinating, you know.

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the money in women's boxing is not as great as

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in men's So if they want to make the biggest money,

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they got to fight the other top other champions of

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other women in their top contenders. So I don't think

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they're gonna sit there and marinate Lauren Price against the

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winner of the other fight, because either way, it's the

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biggest fight that either of the two people in it

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can have. There's no bigger fight than than the winner

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for Lauren Price. And if you're Sandy Ryan or Mikhaela

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mayor whoever emerges, by far, the biggest fight. If it's here,

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UK fight because you know, Lauren is from Wales and

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Sandy is from England. If it's Mikaela, Michaela has got

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a pretty good reputation, is well known in Britain where

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she's fought several times and won some major fights and

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then involved in some big events. So that is a

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really good matchup, and Lauren showed that she belongs in

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that kind of fight by the way that she absolutely

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handled you know, a top opponent like Natasha Jonas, who

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because of the the way that the Hall of Fame

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operates and the fact that the women's side of the

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sport is still in a sort of infancy and they

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still put people on the ballot and they elect them.

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I'm very confident then Tasha Jonas are going to make

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the Hall of Fame someday. And Lauren Price the way

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she's been fighting and even to those early in her career,

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and people like Michaela Mayor like they may very well

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be on their way also these you know, we're in

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a really good age of women's boxer right now. We

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were seeing the third fight between Katie Taylor and Amanda

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Torano coming up. They just announced, you know, a few

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days ago, and now I think there's a really good

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chance we're gonna have another hell of a fight in

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the welterweight division between Lauren Price and whoever is the

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woman that wins that that rematch between Michaela and Sania Ryan.

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So I'd really pumped up. I mean, you know me, TJ.

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I'm not, like, like I've said a million time, not

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the biggest women's boxing fan. But when you give me

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fights like Serrano and Taylor, or you can give me

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a price versus that winner those types of fights, I'm

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definitely into it.

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Speaker 2: And I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: The compelling matchups happen with much more frequency. The fighters

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stay active, so it's easy to keep track of and

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there you go to a big win for Lauren Price.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: So, also off the weekend, Joett Gonzalez did win over

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Arnold Kagui, the slight favorite, in a featherweight main event

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on Probox TV out of Long Beach, California. Again, give

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me more on this. The one thing that you led

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me in with before we started rolling on this is

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that this was a bit of a snooze fest. But

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then it perked up and was a better fight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it. I mean this was this

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was This was the pro box TV main event, and

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they've done a lot of you know, good fights on

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pro box TV, but this was one that was like

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slightly more meaningful, I guess, slightly more name recognition than

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some of the other main events they've done. But the

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reality he was a fight between two guys. Joet Gonzalez,

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who was a battle tested veteran who has fought for

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the world title on three occasions, who's got four losses.

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All the top guys in the three title fights, plus

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in a fight against Isaac Dogday come up a little

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bit short in those fights are in the case of

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the fight, which of course Stevenson a lot short, but

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he's still in a position where he wanted to see

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what I've got left. He hadn't fought for a while,

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and Ka Guy has you know, he's with top rank.

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Joette used to be with top rank, but they put

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him on this Probox card because of the way the

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schedule had fallen, and Ka Guy had been in a

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position as a number one contender and was sort of

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risking the position he was you know, he'd been ordered

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in an eliminator in the past and took a big

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gamble in this fight, and he was, like you said,

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he was the favorite, and for the first few rounds,

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like the crowd was booing and it's like, oh boy,

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we're seeing a terrible fight here, which was kind of

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surprising because if you ever watched Joet Gonzalez fights, he

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obviously has been in a tremendous amount of good fights.

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Kaguy is not a guy that I would say is

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in great fights all the time, but certainly not fights

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that people are booing in. But let me tell you

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by about I don't know, maybe like the fourth round

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really like a business was picking up, let's put it

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like that, and these guys really went to it. You know,

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there was some blood. There was a cut from you

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know that Joette suffered. So it's a really close fight.

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I mean, it was a split decision. Two of the

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judges had it obviously in favor of Joe At Gonzalez

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who won the fight, ninety six ninety three for him,

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ninety seven ninety two on the other card that voted

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for him, and then one judge had it ninety five

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to ninety four, and you know, honestly watching the match,

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it felt like, you know what, I thought that that

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Joette probably pulled it out. I thought the ninety seven

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to ninety two was maybe a little bit wide, but

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you know, there was like did we talk the range

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of acceptable score? Some of those early rounds were so

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terrible they really could have gone either way. But anyway,

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good battle and in a big win because Joette Gonzalez

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can continue his career at least, you know, in a

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main event type fighter against another contender or in an

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eliminator and maybe might even be able to put himself

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in position for a fourth shot at a title. And

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for a guy, you know, it's a tough it's a

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tough loss. They're not going to end his career and

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anything like that, but you know, he takes a step back.

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But you know, when I was watching this fight, and

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I was and I knew that they made the match,

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I kept thinking to myself, this is what in the

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past generation, let's call it, when Friday night fights were

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still on ESPN two, this is exactly the kind of

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fight that they would feature in the main event where

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you have two decent guys, two guys who are you know,

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in positions to be in a contender type fight. Who

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are looking at as they say, fight on Friday night

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to get to Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: You know exactly exactly, fight.

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Speaker 3: Friday to get to Saturday for an HBO or a

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showtime fight. That's what this was. So that's it was

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a quality matchup and it turned out to be a

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good fight after a couple of bad rounds on you

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know what, Joet survives because his losses, as I said,

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were only the good guys dog Day in a ten rounder,

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but title fights against Chaquur Stevenson, Emanuel never Entate, which

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is a War of Wars where he took a beating,

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but it was just an unbelievably you know, the heart

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that he showed. And then he also lost against Luis

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saubert A Lopez in a world title fight. But you

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know what, he he has a nice win now against

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Arnolokuk guy and he moves on.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: Had some good recaps for this weekend and again it's

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a little bit of a different quirk in the schedule

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that we're actually now going into the preview mode where

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in Australia coming up Wednesday morning US time Wednesday night

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in Sydney, Australia. It is the return of Keith Thurman.

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He will fight Australian Brock Jarvis. Thurman off of a

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three year layoff, and I've got to confess to you again,

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this is a guy that I'm very fond of. He's

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from my area here in Clearwater, Florida. I didn't know

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if Keith was gonna fight anymore when he was supposed

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to have fought a year ago against Tim Zoo. He

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suffered a bicep injury right before the fight. So now

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Thurman is back at an advanced age. The former world

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welterweight champ has not been active at all because of

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injuries and other situations over the last six seven years.

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Jarvis is more of kind of a journeyman I would

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call him in Australia, but this fight has method to it,

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especially if Thurman can win. So pick it up from

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there for this main event bound in Australia that will

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be coming up before we're back to do our preview

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podcast later.

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Speaker 2: In the week go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I would refer to Jarvis as

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a journeyman. He's got only one defeat against Liam Paro. Yeah,

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it was by a first round nine I don't know

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if that makes Hi a journeyman. I mean, it was

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obviously what.

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Speaker 1: Would you call it? Would you call it fringe contender?

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Is that a more politically correct way to put.

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Speaker 3: It into politically correctness. I just don't think it's fair

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to call him a journeyman when he's only had one

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loss anyway. But the point is Keith Thurman, at least

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from the point of view of us here in the

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United States anyway, he's the story of the fight. It's

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what has he got left if anything howers injuries and

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can he get himself into another big fight because they

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now he's ever said anything bad about Keith Thurman's ability,

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or his talent, or his willingness to fight top guys,

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or the accomplishments that he has had. His problem has

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been injuries. He's been absolutely destroyed by injuries all kinds,

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mostly to his arm, shoulder, elbow, whatever it's been you mentioned.

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He had the biase of injury. He was preparing for

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the Tim Zoo fight that was supposed to be the

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pay per view debut on Prime Videos deal with PBC

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that was last March. He dropped out less than two

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weeks before the fight. If you remember where they put

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Sebastian Fandor from the undercart in the fight. He ended

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up having the big upset in the blood bath against

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him Zu. So Thurman did go through the training camp

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for the most part, but didn't actually get the fight.

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So he hasn't had a real fight in the rink

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since he beat Mario Barrios in a welterweight fight back

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in February of twenty twenty two, so it's three years

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and one month since his last match. And the thing

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about it is it's not like he was super active

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before that. He hadn't fought since twenty nineteen. He had

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two fights in twenty nineteen against the loss against Manny Pacyao,

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where I was in a welterweight title fight. That victory

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allowed Pakyo to become the oldest welterweight champion in boxing history.

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he had not fought since twenty seventeen. So his schedule

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has been one fight in twenty sixteen, one fight in

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twenty seventeen, no fights in twenty eighteen, the two fights

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and mentioned in eighteen nineteen, nothing in twenty twenty one.

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The Barrios fight in twenty two, nothing in twenty three,

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and nothing in twenty four. So it's just been the

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ups and downs are amazing. It's just crazy to me.

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Speaker 1: I thought he would basically done yeah, and now he

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is coming back and we understand he wants the chance

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at Zoo. I know you've made mentioned that financially he's

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looking to do this. I think maybe he misses the

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limelight saw him as well all of the above.

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Speaker 3: He listens.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what we're getting on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: I really I don't think. I don't think anybody knows

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what we're getting. Well, what we are getting is as

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a Keith Theurmer who's willing to go to fight in

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Australia on the other guy's home turf. We're getting a

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Keith thurmerho's gonna be making his debut in the jerior

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middleweight division, which was supposed to have been the fight

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against Tim Zoo back in March of last year. And

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who that knows, I assume because he got on the

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plane and went that he is healthy enough to be

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in a fight and we're gonna see and Brock Jarvis

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is the Australian as I mentioned he's got the one loss,

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which was a first round knockout to Liam Paro before

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Para went on to win the IBF Junior walter whit title,

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which he ultimately lost in his first defense against Richards

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and Hitchens. And so you know, I give Keith credit

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because he wasn't going to get a lucrative main event

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in the United States at this point, or at least

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not without waiting for a while or being on an

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undercard maybe, but down in Australia it's a big deal.

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Keep in mind also that when Parol fought and knocked

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out Jarvis, that was one hundred and forty pound fight.

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Now Jarvis gonna be fighting one hundred and fifty four.

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So even though Thurman is moving up from welterweight, Jarvis

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after the Parol fight, he had one fight at welterweight

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or slightly you know, one forty four was as weight

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as they look it up. And then his second fight

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since the Paro loss, he fought as a middleweight one

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fifty eight and three quarters. So you know, I guess

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he's trying to settle into jermor middleweight. So I don't

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know what we're getting from Brock Jarvis and I don't

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know what heck we're getting from Keith Thurman, but I'm

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interested because of it's Thurman coming back. I'm not that

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much interested in Jarvis necessarily. But as I have written before,

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and this is a fact, the idea here is you

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have you have Keith coming back after the long layoff.

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We know that Tim Zoo was coming back against you know,

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coming back against Joey Spencer in Australia also, and if

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both of them that's coming up also in a few weeks,

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if both those guys are the winners. From what I

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am told, and Tim is moob with PBC, as is Thurman,

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that they've agreed to a summer fight if they both

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come through successfully, so they'll put back together that fight

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that got called off because of the injury to the biceps.

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And the good thing for boxing fans again, they can

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always change their mind. But what I was told is

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that that's being contemplated, at least in the United States,

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is not as a pay per view, but it would

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be a regular prime video fight as opposed to you know,

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the the the pay per view avenue that they were

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going down for the first fight. So that's interesting and

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it's not determine whether it's in Australia or the United States.

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I would imagine it might be in Australia, given you

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know there'll be a pay per view there. But anyway,

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I have no idea what's gonna happen in this fight,

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and that's one of the things that makes it interesting.

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And again, you know, they haven't made the announcement yet,

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but I've been told all along, even though it hasn't

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been put out there, that while it's a pay per

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view event at the normal time, meaning in the evening

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time in Australia, which would be very early morning in

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the United States, that they'll figure out a way to

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make it available. I guess if they continue to do

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what they said they would do on the PBC YouTube channel.

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So we'll see if that comes to pass.

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Speaker 1: All right, So that is Wins morning for the Australian card. Well,

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then Thursday morning US time again before you and I

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are back in the in the preview mode, we've got

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the Kinshiro Taraji Unified flyweight title battle with Saigo Akui

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his countrymen. This is the teak In Promotion's main event

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in Tokyo Thursday nights, So it is Thursday morning again

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in the United States, and Taraji is always in action fights,

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so we are we are anxious to see. If you're

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a boxing fan, yes, it's breakfast in the Japanese boxing,

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I know, but we're anxious to see if Taraji can

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become unified at flyweight as well.

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Speaker 3: So when in a way fights in Japan, Rafael wakes

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up when it's on, no questions asked. When Nakatani fights,

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Rafael wakes up and watches, no questions asked. And the

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only other Japanese fighter that Rafael wakes up for to

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watch with no questions asked is kin Shiro Taraji, who

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I absolutely love. Have been watching Taraji's entire career essentially

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since he's been fighting in world title fights. This is

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I believe he's gonna I think going into this fight

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he's fifteen and one in world title fights. I've watched

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a lot of not necessarily live because we didn't have

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the ability to do that for a lot of those fights.

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But now that this is on ESPN plus, we have

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that ability for this bout as well as several of

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his previous spouts. So I'm very looking I'm very much

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looking forward to this because I love watching myself a

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little conciro Taraji, and it's an important fight because it

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is a unification and if you go through the annals

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of boxing history, you will not find more than a

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handful or a few times where there's been two Japanese

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champions who have fought each other in a unification fight,

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so that so somewhat of a rarity. Taraji is a

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terrific fighter. I've said many times that he could be

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on your top ten pound for poundless, you know, towards

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the bottom end of that, you know, you could actually

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have a pound for poundless and I wouldn't laugh at

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you if you had three of the top Japanese fighters

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in it, which is obviously in a way and near

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the top, and then you could have Nakatani and Taraji

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in there. Also. Taji's one loss, by the way, he

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got stopped in the tenth round in twenty twenty one

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and lost the WBC Junior Flyway title to Masamichi Yabuki.

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He knocked him out in the third round in the

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immediate a remat that was like four or five months later,

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and regained the title and has been defending ever since.

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You know. He defeated Kayagucci in a unification fight. Anyway,

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he's been doing a hell of a job being some

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very good fighters along with Canazalas and Hecki Butler, et cetera.

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And when he went up to Flyway in his last

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fight that took place in October, you know you're worrying, Okay,

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he's gonna carry the power up. Well, yeah, the answer

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is yes, because he knocked Christopher Rozalez out in the

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eleventh round to win the vacant WBC Flyway title, and

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this is going to be his first defense. So he's

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not wasting time with some you know, regular type of bonu.

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He's fighting another champion. So Akui is not as well

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known in Japan or anywhere frankly as Taraji is. He's

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twenty two, twenty one and two with a draw. He's

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been stopped in the two losses though, so that might

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give you pause, I suppose. But it's been a little

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bit of time since those knockouts happened. One one was

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to a total journeyman, kind of scrub type fighter in

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twenty eighteen, and if you go back to the to

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the other one that was guess what, he got knocked

476
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up by Jonto Knakatani This was before Knakatani had been

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a champion, and he also, by the way, mentioned too

478
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about how when Taraji regained the title because he had

479
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lost the title to Yabuki, the guy that that in

480
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between the two losses that Akui suffered, he scored a

481
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first round knockout against you again, se Yabuki. Now that

482
00:21:13,599 --> 00:21:15,519
was early in Yabuki's career, was only six and one

483
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at the time. I'm just making the point that they

484
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do have the commonality of the opponents. So who knows

485
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if Akui is going to have something, you know, for

486
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Taraji to be concerned about, but look important fight in

487
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the way class and you know, I one of my

488
00:21:28,599 --> 00:21:31,440
favorite things in boxing are these Japanese cars that have

489
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the title fights on him that come over on ESPN plus.

490
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When when he won the title against Artam Delakian in

491
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Japan back in January of last year or January of yeah,

492
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January of twenty twenty four, when he beat the Lackey

493
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and Dalaki was undefeated. He held the title for quite

494
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a while and De Lachi was kind of a tough

495
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fighter to fight because of his style, and he did

496
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a very good job, you know, won pretty clear almost

497
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to shut out on one of the score cards in

498
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that fight, So I say, bring it on. I'm looking

499
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forward to.

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Speaker 2: It, okay.

501
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Speaker 1: So again that's Thursday morning for they'll.

502
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Speaker 3: Probably like five in the morning thereabouts for the United

503
00:22:04,079 --> 00:22:07,480
States timing of the main event on ESPN Plus roughly, all.

504
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Speaker 1: Right, So look for that with taraji Akui as the

505
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main event Thursday morning. Adjust your time zone accordingly in

506
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the US Thursday night in Japan.

507
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Speaker 3: So we've said, so there's two other world title fights

508
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on the card if you get up even earlier, because

509
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you got Anthony Oliskagua who's defending the WBO Flyway title

510
00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:24,839
in the same weight class he's fighting Kayaguchi, so clearly

511
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there may be setting up a further unification between the

512
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taraji Akui winner against Olas Kagua, not to mention the

513
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junior Flyway title of the WBO, which is Iwada against

514
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,640
Renee Santiago. So you got some good world title action

515
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between some of the smaller weight classes, which are always

516
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fun to watch, all right.

517
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Speaker 1: So again we gave you something in the kind of

518
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the preview mode as well, because that's Wednesday and Thursday,

519
00:22:46,759 --> 00:22:50,079
the Japanese fight card again on Thursday morning, US time,

520
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So let's get to the interview conversation again. Omari Jones,

521
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US Olympian A medallist, is turning pro this weekend in Orlando, Florida,

522
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on the undercart of the Ammo Williams of Volney main

523
00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:07,960
event with Edgar Berlangols on this card. So let's hear

524
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now from a guy that there are a lot of

525
00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:13,160
people high on this guy in his debut. Dan spoke

526
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with him here in the recent you'll hear that conversation

527
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right now.

528
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Speaker 3: Well, it is my great pleasure to be joined on

529
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the podcast this week by junior midweight Amari Jones. He

530
00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:24,599
may not be familiar to most of you folks, but

531
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he probably will be soon. Omari was the two thousand

532
00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:31,240
and twenty four United States Olympic bronze medalist. He's making

533
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his professional debut on March fifteenth on his own. He

534
00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:36,559
signed with Mattroom Boxing and he's on the card that

535
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will take place in his hometown of Orlando, Florida at

536
00:23:39,559 --> 00:23:42,920
the Crib Royal. The main event on that show is

537
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going to be Austin m O Williams taking on Patrice Volney.

538
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Also on the card, Edgar Berlanga in his return against

539
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,400
Jonathan Gonzalez Ortiz. But I think one of the star

540
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,480
attractions is going to be Amrio Jones because you're gonna

541
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be fighting in your hometown. So welcome to the show.

542
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,559
Welcome to the pros kid.

543
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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, thank you, great introduction.

544
00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 5: By the way, I truly appreciate that.

545
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:08,079
Speaker 3: My pleasure. Twenty two years old, big break, future in

546
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,519
your career ahead of you, we all hope, and so

547
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I guess the first thing I'd like to ask you

548
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,519
about is just describe your feelings just about your excitement

549
00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:21,279
level of going from the Olympic level of fighting amateur

550
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,799
boxing to now into the professional ranks, a whole different

551
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ball game.

552
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Speaker 5: Yes, I'll say I'm super excited.

553
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,279
Speaker 4: It's going to be a bit of a different experience.

554
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Speaker 5: You know, It'll be my first time kind of dealing

555
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,559
with a press conference, going back and forth with the

556
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person i'm fighting, the face off kind of stuff.

557
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Speaker 4: It's kind of different to me and the wigs.

558
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Speaker 5: You know, ways is usually closed in the amateur circuit

559
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and you just show up to fight, so even little

560
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:48,039
tweaks like.

561
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Speaker 4: That is something different. But I'm definitely looking forward to.

562
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 5: It and excited to showcase my talent.

563
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Speaker 4: In my hometown Ortlanto, Florida.

564
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Speaker 3: And you also in professional boxing. Unlike a lot of

565
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,359
the tournaments that you are involved in as an amateur boxer,

566
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you know your opponent well ahead of time. I mean

567
00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:07,079
there can be changes, I mean if something happens, but

568
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,640
you know in the amateurs, you know know who, you know,

569
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,359
who the draws, whoever wins, right.

570
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

571
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Speaker 5: But I feel that that prepared me as well because

572
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it's like every time out with these world tournaments, I

573
00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:21,200
fought the best of the best.

574
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Speaker 4: Day in and day outs.

575
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Speaker 5: So I feel like something like this fight would be

576
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a stepping stone for me to get to those big

577
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fights that I want.

578
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Speaker 3: So you're fighting in a sixth rounder in your pro debut.

579
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From what I understand, which is a different lot of

580
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,319
guys turn pro and four rounders, your opponent is an

581
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Italian fighter who's thirty years old named Alessio Mastra New

582
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zeal fourteen and five with four knockouts. Do you know

583
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,960
anything about him because I share a secdon I know

584
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,440
a lot about a lot of guys, but not him.

585
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

586
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Speaker 5: I watched a couple films on them, and we did

587
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the research and like that is record and you know,

588
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we see that he's a veteran to somebody that knows

589
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what he's doing, so he definitely.

590
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Speaker 4: Comes to fight.

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Speaker 5: And I'm excited to you know that he took the

592
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fight in my hometown. That could be very dangerous, but

593
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he took on a challenge and I'm happy he did. Yeah.

594
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a great record to turn pro against.

595
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And it's also, like I mentioned, a six rounder, not

596
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a four rounder. My understanding is that you're going to

597
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,559
have this fight will technically be a junior middleweight fight,

598
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But did you look maybe to be also in the

599
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welterweight division as you make your way in your career,

600
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what is the situation with the weight that you want

601
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to fight at.

602
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Speaker 5: Right now, I'm fighting out a catchweight at one two,

603
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So it'll it'll kind of linger between there for a

604
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while until I see where I'm comfortable with and if

605
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a fight presents itself.

606
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Speaker 3: Right, I guess you know, if you're if you're not

607
00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:45,640
fighting world championship fights or for titles, like if you're

608
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,720
a little over by a couple of pounds really doesn't

609
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,599
make a difference. It's not like you have a just

610
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got to make the contract limit, not necessarily for a

611
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title fight, but I wasn't sure. If you're thinking welterweight,

612
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junior middleweight, I'm thinking.

613
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Speaker 5: Junior middleweight one fifty four around here. Just depends on

614
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:06,319
you know, my body's grown, so just depends on how I.

615
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Speaker 3: Fill out understood. So, I mean, as I mentioned when

616
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,519
I introduced to you, you won the bronze medal in

617
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the Paris Olympics. You're also a silver medal winner in

618
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:17,079
the twenty twenty one World Amateur Championships, which took place

619
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in Belgrade, and obviously you had a tremendous run in

620
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the Paris Olympics. You were the only American on the

621
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team men or women, in terms of the boxing competition

622
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:29,759
to come home with a medal from Paris. Can you

623
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:31,319
just tell me a little bit about what was like

624
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,039
your What was your experience like in Paris? You know,

625
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,640
I've talked to different Olympians, like they have different enjoyment

626
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,680
of the games. Obviously there's the competition, there's maybe seeing

627
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,880
other events, the camaraderie with other folks on the team.

628
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,680
What was your time like over there and did it

629
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,559
kind of live up to the expectations because so many

630
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:51,720
of these amateurs they spend so many years trying to

631
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fulfill the goal of making it the Olympics. You got

632
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there and you also got a medal to come home with.

633
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Speaker 5: Yes, my experience, I enjoyed it to the fullest. From

634
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:06,599
the opening ceremony, it was a moment that I you know,

635
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,920
I watched the Olympic Games on TV for so long

636
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,720
and I just pictured myself there for so many years.

637
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,680
So actually being there it was just like wow, surreal moment.

638
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 4: There was Stephen.

639
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 5: Curry's, some Owbiles, all all the great athletes you can

640
00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:23,799
think of, and it's like you take the moment and

641
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:27,680
realize that you're amongst them as well. So yeah, just

642
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,079
taking the time also to enjoy it and embrace it

643
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,519
with my family. They were there, so they made that

644
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,759
trip ten times better seeing them in the crowd with

645
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,240
full support and love, and yeah, I was happy with

646
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:44,240
bringing back a bronze medal to my city and my country.

647
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:47,079
Speaker 3: So I know it's always huge to get the metal,

648
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:48,960
and that's always a big deal, but I always am

649
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,039
always interested that there is at least a small part

650
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,319
that might be slightly disappointing because you didn't get a

651
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:54,880
silver metal, or you didn't get the gold medal.

652
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:59,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean at times that may that thought may.

653
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 4: Linger, but it's like you know, it lingers of.

654
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 5: Course, like I said, but it's like I'm happy with

655
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,400
what I could do and everything else was out of

656
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,279
my hands.

657
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: So I've I've I've talked to different young fighters when

658
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,440
they've won Olympic medals in the past, Richard torrez Keishawn Davis,

659
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you know, among others. One thing they all have in

660
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common that I've found that I found, and I find

661
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:28,240
it quite endearing, is they get the medal and then

662
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,680
they wear it around for like the next month, two months,

663
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,720
a couple of weeks where they go make appearances or

664
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:34,240
just because they're so proud of it and they should be.

665
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,640
I want to know how long or are you still

666
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,480
wearing the medal now that you've you've got it in

667
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:39,039
your collection.

668
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:43,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I feel best died down a little bit.

669
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Speaker 5: But you know, the medal comes out on very few occasions,

670
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but when I make my appearances sometimes the medal definitely

671
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,400
does have to come out.

672
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Speaker 3: Did you like wear it while you were sleeping the

673
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:55,920
first couple of nights home?

674
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Speaker 5: I definitely I didn't wear but it was deaf real

675
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,279
close to me for sure.

676
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Speaker 3: So you had your performance and obviously you got what

677
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,160
everybody wants when they go to the Olympics, which is

678
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,720
to get a medal. Unfortunately, the rest of the Team

679
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,039
USA did not come home with any medals. Like I said,

680
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men or women. Really viewed by most people as a

681
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:18,680
pretty disappointing Olympic Games for the United States, and it

682
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,279
looked like things had been on the upspring because there

683
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was a number of other medals from the previous Olympics.

684
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Can you speak to just the overall situation, not your own,

685
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:28,759
but just in terms of the lack of metal success

686
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:31,720
of Team USA at this particular paras Olympics.

687
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Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, honestly.

688
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 5: You know, I spoke with the team afterwards, and I

689
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,960
did feel that it was disappointed for us. But we

690
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,680
all talked together, Vinnie together, and I pretty much just

691
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,119
you know, kept them motivated and I had to keep

692
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:51,160
myself motivated and grounded as I saw a lot of

693
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,000
my teammates fall out the tournament, and I was the

694
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:58,359
last and standing for Team USA. So I did.

695
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Speaker 4: I put my best foot forward. I did what I could.

696
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,400
I didn't agree with a lot of.

697
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Speaker 5: The judge's decisions, as well on a few.

698
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Speaker 4: Of my teammates fighting.

699
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 5: I'm not going to say all of them, but it

700
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,519
was a lot of close decisions even with my fight

701
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:13,119
as well. But I'm not here, you know, to live

702
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:15,720
in excusage. I'm going to continue to live in a

703
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,319
moment and put forward at my professional career.

704
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Speaker 3: How old were you when it first came into your

705
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,559
mind and dawned on you and said, you know what,

706
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,319
I want to be an Olympic medalist? Like how long

707
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:28,640
did the dream go before you finally had the realization

708
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,799
and put it around your neck?

709
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I always it was always a dream at

710
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,599
a young age eighteen, but it really sunk in with

711
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:40,799
me when I turned fifteen and I was at the

712
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,319
Junior Olympics, and at the Junior Olympics, It's like wow,

713
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,519
like I'm on this podium right now. I want to

714
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:52,000
be on a podium at the actual Olympics. So from

715
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:55,039
that point on, at at fifteen years old, is when

716
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,519
I had my mind stuck and going to different tournaments

717
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,240
to see how I can what can I do to

718
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,519
qualify and get on team essay in order to get

719
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:05,279
to the Olympics.

720
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,279
Speaker 3: So, if you were seven years old or if you're

721
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:09,920
fifteen years old anyway, that's about a seven year time

722
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,480
to go from that moment to making the dream come true.

723
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,279
Because if I'm not mistaken, you are twenty two years

724
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:17,079
old at this point. So that's that's not exactly like

725
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:20,640
it happened overnight exactly. Sorry. Now you come into the

726
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,680
pro game, and uh, most people who are going to

727
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,359
see you on this The Zone Show, if they check

728
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,559
it out, they don't really know much value. They'll know

729
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:29,480
the bio that you're the Olympic medalist and have success

730
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:31,839
as an amateur. So if somebody's out there going to

731
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,839
watch Amari Jones fight for the first time, how would

732
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,039
you describe your style to them?

733
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 4: Like?

734
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,519
Speaker 3: What are they going to see? What are they going

735
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:39,400
to look for in the in the way that you

736
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,039
go about your business in the ring, I feel.

737
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 5: That they're going to see a boxer puncher, fast hands,

738
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,640
fast feed, quickness, and I'm just gonna, you know, put

739
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,440
all my skills together that night and showcase while I

740
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,200
belong in the professional game.

741
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: And show everybody that we're going to see. What's the

742
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,680
best punch that you possessed? You believe like your money

743
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,519
maker is it a hook? Is it a uppercut as

744
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:06,519
a jeb what is what's going to pay the bills?

745
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: They just gotta wait. The market seem to see that.

746
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: Now I'm intrigued. So I don't think there's anybody that

747
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,400
goes through the amateur ranks like yourself and and and

748
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:21,359
wins the Olympic medal and then becomes a professional fighter

749
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:24,880
that doesn't have boxing idols that they grew up watching

750
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,160
or aspiring to be Like, can you talk to me

751
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,759
a little about your your your introduction to professional boxing,

752
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:33,319
some of the guys that you may have aspired to

753
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:35,200
be like or that you that you look up to

754
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,279
in terms of your boxing.

755
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:37,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

756
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 5: When I first started watching boxing, the first person.

757
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 4: I watched was a Leave for like two three years straight.

758
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 5: So my style was kind of mimic after him with

759
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:50,680
my speed and quickness and movement. And then I moved

760
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,960
on to watch guys like Ruyd Jones and Floyd and

761
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,720
so I feel like I'm a little bit of a

762
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,920
combination of those guys.

763
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 4: And uh, I was actually have huh.

764
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,359
Speaker 3: Dould say that those three guys that's like, that's not

765
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:04,440
Rushmore right there.

766
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 5: Basically exactly, and this I kind of went after their model.

767
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 4: You know, all of them went to the Olympics, so

768
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,119
I was like, all the grace did that?

769
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 5: Let me fall behind their footsteps and you know, go

770
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,199
through that as well.

771
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: You were saying, though you met somebody, Oh.

772
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,199
Speaker 5: I met I met Rory Jones, I've been to his camp.

773
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:29,079
I met Terrence Croft. For Clarissa Shields have gave me

774
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:33,400
advice a lot on the Olympic Games.

775
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:36,559
Speaker 4: And showed a lot of love. So I'm appreciative for that.

776
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 3: Well, she was a great one with two gold medals

777
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,000
to her collection. Exactly when you came out of the

778
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,719
Olympics and it was over and you started the process

779
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,159
of sort of figuring out what you want to do

780
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,039
in terms of your professional situation? Uh? Did was there

781
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:51,599
interest from a variety of promoters who contacted you in

782
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,079
your in your team to sort of figure out, you know,

783
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:54,960
if you were the right fit.

784
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there was a few that contacted me besides

785
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,719
Matt Room, But I felt that Mattroom was was the

786
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,239
best fit.

787
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,519
Speaker 4: Eddie Hearn. He had the plan that.

788
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 5: We discussed, uh, to stay busy and get the right

789
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,119
fights and right opponents, and you know they're their interest

790
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:18,800
in me was shown a lot more than the other

791
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,719
promoters and what they could do and.

792
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 4: Will do for me.

793
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,199
Speaker 5: So it felt more like a partnership instead of a

794
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,480
boxer promoter relationship.

795
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,079
Speaker 3: Can you speak to who the other ones are out

796
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:30,920
there trying to recruit you as well? Who else was

797
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,119
out there trying to get your services?

798
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 5: I just I just prefer not to say it's it's fine.

799
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 3: That's there. I mean, I asked the questions. You can

800
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,559
answer them however you want. You know what I mean,

801
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,079
I'll give you. That's that's my tip for you. Media

802
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:47,000
lesson number one for a young fighter, the reporters get

803
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,039
to ask the questions, but the but the subject can

804
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:53,360
answer them however they want. For sure, anyway, uh one

805
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,920
thing every young fighter that's gonna come into the pros,

806
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,719
obviously the goal is to become a world champion. So

807
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,519
I'm not going to say what's your goal in the pros?

808
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:01,880
I know it's to become a world champion. But other

809
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,639
than becoming a world champion, what other types of things

810
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,239
would you like to accomplish as a professional? Is it

811
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,639
multiple divisions? Is it achieve a certain amount of money,

812
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,559
a certain amount of resume in terms of legacy, Like

813
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:15,800
what are the other things that sort of float your boat.

814
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:19,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would like to have a great resume of

815
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,920
fighters to fight. I feel like my division is pretty stacked,

816
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,840
so it's gonna be and even from the amateurs, the

817
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,920
one fifty six Enlightenment aweight division, what's waight division has

818
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,519
been stacked in the best weight class of competition for

819
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,239
the longest So to do that, and you know, to

820
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,920
make sure that I'm fine financially of course, but.

821
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 4: Also making sure my family is set. And just like

822
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,840
you said, you don't have to ask too many questions.

823
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,639
You know, the lands goes to become a world champion.

824
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,119
Speaker 3: Well, I wish you the best of luck in that

825
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,039
endeavor and the journey, and it is a it is

826
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:59,320
a marathon, not a sprint. The journey starts on March

827
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,199
fifteenth on the Zone in your first fight of your

828
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:03,119
professional career. I wish you the best of luck and

829
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,000
I'm anxious and excited to follow your career.

830
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, thank you.

831
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: And again it's not going to take long for us

832
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,119
to see the man that you were just talking to,

833
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:14,840
that they just heard from, because he's in the ring

834
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:15,880
this weekend in Orlando.

835
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:18,679
Speaker 3: Listen, he had a heck of an amateur career silver

836
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,679
medal winner in the twenty twenty one World Amateur Championships

837
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:24,039
only twenty two years old, got a bronze medal in

838
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,880
the Olympics, the only American man or woman to get

839
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,079
a medal from tm USA in terms of boxing in Paris.

840
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,440
The rest of the team frankly was a huge disappointment,

841
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,440
but Jones came through with the medal, looked good and

842
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,119
I sort of found that he was a really good interview.

843
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:39,480
I mean, a lot of times you talk to the

844
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:41,400
young guys that you know, they haven't really got their

845
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,159
media legs under them, actually, and so I didn't know

846
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,159
what to expect. I'd never spoken to before. But he

847
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:48,840
couldn't have been more pleasant and it was a good interview.

848
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,360
I felt like he seemed like he was prepared and

849
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,360
understood how to deal with it. But the funny thing

850
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,159
when I asked him, like people heard in there, I

851
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:57,159
was talking about, like, you know, the guy, I was like,

852
00:37:57,159 --> 00:37:58,639
there's always the young fighters in they turn pro. They

853
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:00,639
always had a fighter they looked up to where sort

854
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,840
of modeled their style after a guy they watched on

855
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,840
video over and over again. And he, you know, he

856
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,519
was talking about Mouhammad Ali, and then he mentioned then

857
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:08,840
I started watching Roy Jones and Floyd and I feel

858
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,840
like I have a style similar to them. I'm like, whoa,

859
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:13,559
it's like the Mount rushmoar. So he's confident, but it

860
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:15,679
didn't come off as cocky, if that makes sense. Came

861
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,199
off as very good new earnest, and I thought he

862
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:23,000
has a very pleasant personality, nice demeanor about him and fights.

863
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,760
You know, at one hundred, he's gonna fight between fifty

864
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,199
four and forty seven. But that's obviously those are great

865
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,679
weight classes traditionally, and they've got good talent in them presently.

866
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,599
So I love when the guys turn pro. It's it's

867
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,719
it's like an injection of new It's kind of like

868
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,440
when you have the draft in basketball or football and

869
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,440
you see all these great young athletes come into the sport. Well,

870
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,639
when boxing, when the Olympians start to turn pro, I

871
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:46,320
sort of get that same feeling. So he's a guy

872
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,519
that I think we're gonna hear from. Broom obviously signed

873
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,159
him because they believe he's got a good chance to

874
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:53,679
do something special. Orlando is his hometown, so I'll have

875
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,239
the hometown crowdroom for him. So I said good luck

876
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,159
to the kid.

877
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: All right, So again that is this weekend on the

878
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,440
map Troom, de Owne prospect and and he is a

879
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,440
prospect on that show that's coming up from Orlando this weekend. Okay,

880
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,199
to the news, and we can't say this is unexpected.

881
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,039
When we left the pod on Thursday night, you were

882
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:19,559
telling us about the appeal in progress lamont Roach, his attorney,

883
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:24,559
his team wanting the Tank Davis draw overturned in his

884
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:27,039
favor for the reasons that they gave for the for

885
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,400
the knockdown that looked like it was a knockdown to

886
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:36,280
obviously illegally Tank Davis sticking his head through the ropes

887
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,079
and getting his face wiped off in the middle of

888
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:39,440
a round, and that was allowed to go on.

889
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 3: Well the zone there's no timeouts in boxing, is.

890
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not.

891
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: There's not supposed to be, but there was that night

892
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,320
at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn.

893
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:46,599
Speaker 3: All Right.

894
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: The New York State Athletic Commission has now declined to

895
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:57,039
overturn the draw, and in saying basically that you know,

896
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,119
while it should have been called the knockdown, we're not

897
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:01,760
gonna mess with the outcome of the fight. That's the

898
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,599
gist of what they said. All right, what's your reaction

899
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:06,119
now that they say it is shut down? And I

900
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:09,599
guess we point towards a rematch, that's the inevitable thing

901
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:12,639
we're pointing towards. But what about the New York State

902
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,079
Athletic Commission not going along with overturn the outcome?

903
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,599
Speaker 3: Well, I can't say I'm shocked. What I said in

904
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,199
the in the in the before they had put out

905
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,400
their response was that if ever there was a protest

906
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,920
that I felt had a chance, because most of the

907
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,559
time the protests are dead in the water, they have

908
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:33,119
no shot. And I just that's just a matter of it.

909
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,920
Just the way this, I mean, the only time the

910
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,360
results get changed are drug tests mostly. I did mention

911
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,400
the one example of the injury to Bernard Hopkins thrown down,

912
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:44,960
but that wasn't changed too. That was changed from a

913
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,079
fraudulent win for Chad Dawson to a no contest because

914
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:51,400
Bernard could not go on with the injury, and ultimately

915
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,159
they had the rematch. This is different. This is overturning

916
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:56,920
a victor draw to a win for the other guy

917
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,800
based on you know, the knockdown, plus the other things.

918
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,440
They brought up, like you mentioned, the illegality of getting

919
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,239
your face, you know, wiped off, and the corner man

920
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,599
coming up on the ring apron, and you know, things

921
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:11,400
that are all grounds not only for a point deduction,

922
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,079
but also potentially for a disqualification. So I felt like

923
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:15,679
if there were ever going to be a time where

924
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,920
a Commission might overturn it, it might be this one,

925
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,039
because it wasn't just one thing they're pointing to. And

926
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,320
they also made a point in the in their protests

927
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,679
about the supposed irritant that that tank had on him,

928
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:27,760
because he said that he had stuff in his hair

929
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:31,079
that caused the burning sensation in his eyes. So they

930
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,480
had all these different things that they were litigating, and

931
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:35,760
I figured it was with all that tonnage, maybe the

932
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,360
Commission might end up doing that. In the end, they didn't,

933
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,920
and in terms of the knockdown, you know, it turned

934
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,800
according to what the And I got a copy of

935
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,400
the letter that the Commission executive director, Matt de Laglo,

936
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,599
sent off and copied to Tank's attorney and also to

937
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:55,320
alamont Roach's attorney and Andy they said, this is like

938
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,360
the money line in the in the entirety of that

939
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,559
four page letter that they sent out on Friday to

940
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:04,440
those teams without making a finding a fact. The Commission

941
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,599
will assume as true that the referee aired in ruling

942
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:11,199
that mister Davis sustained a knockdown in the ninth round. However,

943
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,599
since the bout continued for more than three full rounds

944
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,159
after the referees no knockdown call, and because the boxers

945
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,880
necessarily adjusted to the referees ruling, the referees call was

946
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,440
not outcome determinative. So the gist of that means the following, Yeah,

947
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,920
the referee fucked up, and yeah he should have called

948
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,039
the knockdown, and that's true, But because the fight went

949
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:36,280
three more rounds, we can't be sure that the fighters

950
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,239
didn't change their style or their god in or they're

951
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,079
a way that they went about their business to know

952
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:45,000
that even though those other three rounds were scored, that

953
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,400
had they called the knockdown, they might not have fought

954
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,559
in a different manner. And that is true. So I understand.

955
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: I agree with that, just on the premise to a

956
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,639
degree that if Davis knows they've called that a knockdown,

957
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,480
which means I've lost the round, he potentially differently in

958
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:02,480
the last three rounds.

959
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:04,679
Speaker 2: I agree with that prayer, But what did you say

960
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:05,280
at the beginning?

961
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: What was that word salad at the beginning about it

962
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,760
being determinant of it being a knockdown?

963
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:10,599
Speaker 2: Whatever that was.

964
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: There saying that the referece call was me and not

965
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,840
determine the outcome.

966
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,599
Speaker 1: It was I don't know the first sentence, while something

967
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:19,679
about the knockdown that's in the that's in the actual letter.

968
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,039
Speaker 3: Without making a finding a fact, the commission will assume

969
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:22,679
as true.

970
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,119
Speaker 2: We assume as true.

971
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,199
Speaker 3: You know, they're saying that we fucked up and it

972
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:29,000
was a knockown. It shouldn't call the knockdown. That's how

973
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:30,239
you translated from there.

974
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: I would much rather him them say that what.

975
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,679
Speaker 3: They should have done is have me write the letter exactly.

976
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,360
But the bottom line is.

977
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: You line sincerely the New York State flection. We're not

978
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,239
changing the outcome.

979
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,159
Speaker 3: That's the pers Here's your thing about though. You made

980
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:46,599
mentioned that maybe Tank would have changed his style because

981
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:49,119
you knew he lost around. And I would also say,

982
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:51,599
in addition to that, which I agree with you, that

983
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:53,960
maybe Lamar Roach goes after more because he thinks he's

984
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,760
got him, you know, on the go and he thinks

985
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,320
he's got him hurdor he's got him in a position,

986
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,719
or maybe he can get another knockdown or get another

987
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,079
or maybe he didn't get the knocked out. They didn't.

988
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:03,599
And then the other thing about it, when when they

989
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,880
brought up all the other factors in that round, about

990
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,880
that cornerman coming up and about the fights being wiped

991
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,199
off and all that, Uh, they made the point that

992
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:15,719
that was the judgment call of the referee, that that

993
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,320
he was not he was. He didn't have to call

994
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,519
that a penalty, he didn't have to take a point,

995
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,119
that that was his judgment call, and that ultimately those

996
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:26,559
decisions are made by the referee. But you could tell

997
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:28,079
by the way it was written. And if you want to,

998
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:30,280
people can go on my sub stack. I published the

999
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,280
entire four page letter with the story, and and it

1000
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,920
was pretty clear to me that they believed that he

1001
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,199
should have done something because I made the point j

1002
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,480
all long, if Willis, Steve Willis, the referee takes a

1003
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:45,360
point for the knockdown, or a point for the cornerman,

1004
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,440
or a point for wiping off your face, or a

1005
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:51,400
point for tank running away, you know, turning on his

1006
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,079
back and going to the corner for any of those

1007
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:56,000
things that he takes even a one point roach based

1008
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:58,239
on the fight playing out the remainder of the way

1009
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,280
he wins the fight. But the mission is making the

1010
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,239
point that, yeah, but we don't know how those rounds

1011
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,239
would have played out had the point been deducted. I

1012
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,280
get it. It sucks. It's unfair because they also addressed

1013
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,880
the replay situation, and this is one thing I didn't

1014
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,480
know about. I have been telling you all along that

1015
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:17,639
my reporting was that the commission, or rather that the

1016
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:20,320
replay official Ricky Gonzalez at ringside, had asked for the

1017
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,519
replay within seconds of Tank's knee touching the canvas, And

1018
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:26,719
also told you from the perspective of people I spoke

1019
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,039
to who are in the production truck, that they sent

1020
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:31,320
the replay as soon as it was requested, and that

1021
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,679
the replay people at ringside the official was not able

1022
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,679
to get it, as the commission described it as a

1023
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,159
technical issue. So the commission was, you know, and the

1024
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:43,000
production apparently fucked up not being able to get them

1025
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,480
the replay, because if they get them the replay, it

1026
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:46,679
does get called a knockdout.

1027
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 4: No way.

1028
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: Their their answer, their answer that night, was we didn't

1029
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,719
get a clean look at it in time.

1030
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 3: Correct.

1031
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,639
Speaker 1: Are they now saying we didn't get a clean look

1032
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:57,559
at it at all?

1033
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: Well after the fact, obviously, yes, But the point is

1034
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:04,320
in the process where they had to look at it

1035
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,480
in the timing, they didn't see it. The other the

1036
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,320
one thing that I didn't know about, which I learned

1037
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,800
from what was written in this letter from the director

1038
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,000
to the lawyers, was that in addition to the replay

1039
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,119
official asking for within seconds of the quote unquote knockdown

1040
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,800
but not getting it in a manner where he could

1041
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,079
see it, is that after the round ended between nine

1042
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:28,320
and ten, Steve Willis asked for the replay. So the

1043
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,400
replay official already was going to look at it, but

1044
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:32,679
Willis realized that there was an issue and he wanted

1045
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:35,000
to see the replay also, and he couldn't see it either.

1046
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: So can I go back? Okay, all I can I

1047
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:40,519
go back?

1048
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: Go back to what I have said twice? Now, Where

1049
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:48,079
is the executive director standing up on the ring apron

1050
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:51,360
and saying, hold on, we're gonna look at the replay

1051
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:56,119
in between rounds and it'll take thirty seconds to look

1052
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,760
Was it a knockdown and then we'll resume.

1053
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,599
Speaker 3: The NA didn't have acts to the replay. Having the

1054
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,239
director stand on the ring apron a is not part

1055
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,119
of the protocol, so it is not relevant to that

1056
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:10,559
because it wasn't part of what he could do. So

1057
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,079
is in charge of THEE.

1058
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: If we have a technical issue and we're in a

1059
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,960
World Championship main event and we're in between rounds, I'm

1060
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,280
no longer sitting back, especially with that explanation right there

1061
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:29,280
and saying that a delay of another thirty seconds to

1062
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,079
look at the replay, especially when the referee is saying

1063
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:34,159
I want to see the replay so that we can

1064
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:39,079
overrule it. That I mean, they bend rules for every reason,

1065
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,639
over and over and over again.

1066
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 3: I'm simply telling you what occurred. They were not in

1067
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,800
a position to do that.

1068
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: And I'm disagreeing with the phrase they're not in a

1069
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,880
position to do it. You're the executive director, you have

1070
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,039
a circumstance where you can't get the replay. You can

1071
00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:58,239
certainly in between rounds. I'm not saying during the round.

1072
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:00,559
In between rounds, say hold on.

1073
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:02,679
Speaker 3: Well the top you're missing the point. They look at.

1074
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:06,000
The referee is busy referring the fight correct. The replay

1075
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,360
officials job is to just look at replay. He doesn't

1076
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,679
have to worry about what's unfolding in the still had

1077
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,119
two minutes and fifteen seconds to left in the round

1078
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:16,440
to look at the replay. They couldn't get the replay. Well,

1079
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,599
I don't know what else I can say.

1080
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: Again, you've got another sixty seconds plus thirty more like

1081
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,480
you've used that.

1082
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: Well, I don't didn't use.

1083
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,599
Speaker 2: The thirty replay.

1084
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:25,159
Speaker 3: I mean.

1085
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,119
Speaker 1: To me, I don't buy that all of these things

1086
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:31,800
can be correct. They can't all be a.

1087
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 3: Very important factory here. Some people would tell you that

1088
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,639
the commission's full of shit, and they don't believe that

1089
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:37,599
they didn't get the replay because the people in the

1090
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,559
truck say that they asked about it. And that's what

1091
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:43,280
I'm saying. Let me finish. The response from the replay

1092
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,440
official was the following no knockdown or no punch, no knockdown,

1093
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,840
We're good, something to that effect. And then when round

1094
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,360
ten started, the person in the truck went back to

1095
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,440
the replay official just to make sure was given the

1096
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,679
same answer yet again. And when they gave them the

1097
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,920
answer for the second time, the people in the truck

1098
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,000
then took that information no punch, no knockdown, transmitted that

1099
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,159
in real time to Marrow Ronaldo in his ear, who

1100
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:10,440
was calling the fight, so he could update the audience

1101
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,760
that was watching. Hey, guys, remember what just happened in

1102
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,360
the end of the ninth round or early in the

1103
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,639
ninth round. This is this what they said. They didn't

1104
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:19,039
review the play. Now, if people want to talk about

1105
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:21,679
there being some kind of fucking conspiracy, that's fine. I

1106
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,639
am not of the belief that production people with no

1107
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,840
dog in the fight are in there doing their jobs

1108
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,280
producing a fight in real time as it's happening, and

1109
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,559
the producer is telling mar Ronalo false information to relay

1110
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:34,880
through that, and so I.

1111
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: Believe it's reasonable. Anybody that's reasonable wouldn't believe that.

1112
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 3: So when Maro Ronaldo comes on his microphone and says

1113
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,280
to the worldwide audience, we were told this is what happened,

1114
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:47,840
I believe them. I don't necessarily believe the commission. That's

1115
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:48,760
all I'm gonna say now.

1116
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,599
Speaker 2: And now I have my answer.

1117
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: The reason why you're not up on the ring, apron

1118
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,960
going on and on is because of what you just

1119
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:58,960
explained right there. Which is at some point they looked

1120
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,760
at it, they didn't deem it an down, and they

1121
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,480
said move on. So now if they're trying to retroactively

1122
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:08,320
change what happened, then I call BS on that, right,

1123
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,639
you're real on the podcast, I call BS because again

1124
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:14,039
I say, not everything can be true. I know we've

1125
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,000
bogged down at this point of the pod, but you

1126
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,719
and I go back and forth all the time. They

1127
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,039
can't have every avenue here of we didn't get the

1128
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:24,000
replay in time, but we also didn't stop to look

1129
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:26,360
at the replay. And then when it comes out that

1130
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,199
you did acknowledge that you got the replay and didn't

1131
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:30,679
think it was a knockdown, you can't have that too.

1132
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,599
You can't have them all. It's not basket Robins, it's

1133
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:33,400
not thirty one Flavors.

1134
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 3: You don't know. A thing I'm glad about is that

1135
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,679
they didn't change it to an old contest, because that

1136
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,000
would have robbed Roach of hanging the draw on Tank

1137
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:43,199
Davis's record that they the team of Lamont. They never

1138
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,159
wanted it to be called an O contest. They wanted

1139
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,039
and if they're not going to get the win, they

1140
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:48,639
want to be the guy that hung up on the

1141
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:49,280
perfect record.

1142
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,159
Speaker 1: So yes, it also gives the impetus for the rematch

1143
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:53,840
and the whole bit, which we think is coming for

1144
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:54,639
later this summer.

1145
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:58,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd be to me, there's zero. I mean, you

1146
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:02,440
never know, but I would. I'm pretty sure that as

1147
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,679
as sure as things can be in boxing, there's going

1148
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,199
to be a re There's going to be a rematch

1149
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,840
in the next fight for these two guys.

1150
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,679
Speaker 1: All right, a couple more news items. Canelo Alvarez, Dear

1151
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,599
God and William Skull did meet the media on Thursday night,

1152
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,920
in which there were a lot of media members that

1153
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,960
probably had to be helped on. Who is WILLIAMS Skull?

1154
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,719
Wait a minute, No, he's right over here. He's this guy.

1155
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:28,400
This is now for the main event on the on

1156
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,719
the Saudi card that is coming on May the third.

1157
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:36,039
Speaker 2: They met in New York. What else do we want

1158
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:36,519
to say about?

1159
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: We noticed this is this is to get him the

1160
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,159
IBF belt back to be undisputed when he fights Terrence Crawford.

1161
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 2: We know what this is. Go ahead.

1162
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,039
Speaker 3: All I can tell you is this, there's nothing like

1163
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:48,000
doing a fight on single to my weekend against a

1164
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:52,119
Cuban in Dubai. I mean in Saudi Arabia rather right, correct,

1165
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:52,920
which is what this is.

1166
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 2: This is what it's all about.

1167
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: When you think, when you think of benchmarks in boxing

1168
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,920
that have to be hit, this is one of those.

1169
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 3: I agree with you. So I can tell you this

1170
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,599
that the line of questioning that went with Canelo from

1171
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:08,000
some of the media folks before and after the press

1172
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,400
comments was more related to the Terrence Crawford fight than

1173
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,400
I was Williams Skull fight, because obviously Crawford is supposed

1174
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,239
to be next. But look, there's some going to be

1175
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,920
said for the underdog story about Skull and this and that.

1176
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,559
But the press conference was you know, it wasn't okay

1177
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:22,719
press conference. Nothing spectaculally did it. I mean, they had

1178
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,320
it in a cool place. I mean, as far as

1179
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,960
the venues go. They did it in Radio City Music Hall,

1180
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,199
which is obviously a very famous and uh you know,

1181
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,719
big time landmark. I actually covered a boxing match there

1182
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,559
once years ago when no Nato Donair fought Riggando and lost,

1183
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,159
you know, in his junior featherweight world title fight. But

1184
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,039
they did the press commence there that was open to

1185
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:43,559
the public, so they were happy to get in there

1186
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:45,760
and see you you know, get an opportunity to see Canelo.

1187
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,679
There was you know, lots of Mexican and Mexican Americans

1188
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:50,559
there because Todd Grishaman was hosting it, you know it

1189
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:52,320
say hey, do I have some uh, you know, do

1190
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,000
we have the Mexican fans here? And they all cheered,

1191
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:57,760
so they had come to turn out for canelou What

1192
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,239
I actually was struck by is that when they do

1193
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,480
this match in Saudi Arabia, it's not taking place at

1194
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,480
the big arena where they did the Usk and Fury

1195
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:09,679
fights and some of the other events. It's taking place

1196
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,760
at the smaller arena, which is the one where they

1197
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,599
did the rematch between Better BV and Bovo. So instead

1198
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,039
of like the twenty thousand ish arena that they can

1199
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,400
you know, perhaps cut down some seats and make it smaller,

1200
00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:21,920
you know whatever, they're doing this one at a like

1201
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,920
a six or seven thousand seed called the A and

1202
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,039
B Arena, So they're not expecting a huge crowd, even

1203
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:29,360
though Canelo was the face of the sport.

1204
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,639
Speaker 2: Because we know what this is.

1205
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: This is Canelo returning and what is nothing more than

1206
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,360
an over glorified, stay busy fight to get his IBF

1207
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,880
belt back if they should have never taken from him

1208
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:41,880
in the first place.

1209
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: So I mean, we'll see what sull. Skull sounded confident

1210
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,079
and that's cool, and I'm just saying we'll see what

1211
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:50,400
he can do. You know, he's happy to be here

1212
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,599
and he's getting paid a career amount of money to

1213
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:54,559
do the fight. Put his belt up in his first

1214
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:59,719
defense and he his comment was you know which which

1215
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,519
trans from Spanish because he speaks Spanish, lives in Germany

1216
00:54:03,679 --> 00:54:05,920
from Cuba. You know, I'm going to be the best

1217
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,079
I can be in order to pull off the upset,

1218
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:09,400
and I'm going to shut everybody up.

1219
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:14,199
Speaker 1: Yes see right, we'll see what happens now. Okay, So

1220
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,880
there's that with the press conference. By the way, speaking

1221
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:21,280
of the final, the last crescendo, the end of the

1222
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,519
riad season.

1223
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: Promotion.

1224
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:30,639
Speaker 1: That night, Martin Bucoli had flown all across Africa, Europe

1225
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:32,800
into the Middle East to go get knocked out very

1226
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,920
quickly by Joseph Parker. And we wondered, because he was

1227
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,000
supposed to be fighting fa a jagba and an eliminator,

1228
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,519
an IBF eliminator, all right, we wondered, is that fight off?

1229
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,000
Now we've learned that fight is not off. It's not

1230
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:48,440
the IBF eliminator, but they are actually going to go

1231
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,719
ahead and fight. But where are they going to fight?

1232
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,599
Give us the particulars now that the fight is going

1233
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:53,679
to go ahead and take place.

1234
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 3: So originally, when Turkey Alchic announced the Times Square card

1235
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,679
on his social media, going back a few weeks ago

1236
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:01,760
before they had the press conference and did all the

1237
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,239
dolls and whistles the three fights that they announced. Obviously

1238
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,760
we're Ryan Garcia against Roly Romero in the main event

1239
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:09,159
they announce, you know, he announced also the co feature

1240
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:12,000
Devin Haney against Josey Ramirez as they're looking to set

1241
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:15,960
up the remastering Hane and Garcia presuming that they if

1242
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,079
they're the winners of their fights. And the third fight

1243
00:55:18,119 --> 00:55:19,840
on this card in Tom Square was supposed to be

1244
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,960
this IBF heavyweighted eliminator between a Jagua and Martin Bacolei.

1245
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:26,440
And as you mentioned, Bacoley got knocked out by Parker

1246
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,800
in the February twenty second card that was headlined by

1247
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,519
better Bevndval in the rematch, and so the IBF properly

1248
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:36,599
so when I asked them, said no, we're not sanctioned

1249
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:39,239
this as a as a as a title liminator. You

1250
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:41,880
took yourself out of that position by getting knocked out,

1251
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:44,760
particularly because he did it in a WBO interim title fight,

1252
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,000
so that dropped him in the rankings, and that would

1253
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:50,079
not be an eliminator. But they're still making a fight

1254
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:52,920
because they're just gonna fight. It just won't be for

1255
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,639
the eliminator. So a Jagua and Bacoli will fight, but

1256
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:58,320
instead of being on May two in Times Square, they're

1257
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,320
gonna fight May third, and it'll be one of the

1258
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,079
featured undercard fights when Canelo and Williams Call have their fight.

1259
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,280
So it's still a good interesting heavyweight matchup obviously, but

1260
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,639
it's not going to be for a title eliminator. So

1261
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,199
I was sort of interested in that. I was like, Wow,

1262
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,000
so a job was giving up his position in the

1263
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,320
IBF to be in the position to fight for the

1264
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,000
title if he wins an eliminator, and you know he

1265
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:19,239
must be getting a huge amount of money to do that,

1266
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,519
and I was told that no, I mean, I can't

1267
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:24,280
speak for what Pocoli is getting, but a Jagua I

1268
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,280
am told his number is the same as what he

1269
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,039
was getting even if he was fighting in the eliminator

1270
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,519
on the second out, he'll make more money technically because

1271
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:33,679
he won't have to pay a sanction fee to the IBF,

1272
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,880
but he also won't have the benefit of being next

1273
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,760
in line for the title that is held by Daniel Dubas.

1274
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,840
So he's taken that gamble against Bacoli and if he wins,

1275
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:44,360
he doesn't really have a big reward as being a

1276
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,639
mandatory challenger, but it's still a good matchup in the

1277
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:49,079
heavyweight division, all.

1278
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:51,039
Speaker 1: Right, So that will be on that That weekend is

1279
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:54,599
going to be crazy with that fatal Fury times square,

1280
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,519
then the Canelo whatever that is with William Skull, and

1281
00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:00,519
then in a ways fight in the Force is on

1282
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:01,960
the Sunday on the next day.

1283
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 2: Yep, we going to be busy.

1284
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: This is picking up that weekend in May, all right,

1285
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,880
nostalgia and then we are done.

1286
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: Raphael.

1287
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:13,199
Speaker 1: It was my birthday on Saturday, March the eighth, and

1288
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:14,719
if you go, but thank you, if you go back

1289
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,440
to March the eighth, nineteen seventy one, fifty four years ago,

1290
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,639
which was your first my first birthday, true story. There

1291
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:26,960
is home video evidence of this. My mother went to

1292
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:30,920
the grocery store in Memphis, Tennessee, where we lived, and

1293
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,760
got a birthday cake for me and for a couple

1294
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,599
of little friends to come over and they roll in

1295
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:39,320
the old home movie camera, the old sixteen millimeter.

1296
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:41,639
Speaker 3: Yes, age one friends, did you have at age one?

1297
00:57:41,679 --> 00:57:44,559
Speaker 1: Like other little toddler or other little friends to come

1298
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:47,559
over and be part of the birthday cake. Birthday cake said,

1299
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:51,400
happy one birthday, one thh Happy oneth birthday.

1300
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: It's on my one year old birthday cake.

1301
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: Nonetheless, that night was March the eighth, nineteen seventy one

1302
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,960
at Madison Square Garden when two legends by the name

1303
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,599
of Muhammad Ali and Joe Fraser fought. After several years

1304
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:07,559
of trying to make it happen that included Ali being

1305
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:11,440
forbidden from fighting because his refusal to enter the United

1306
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,000
States Army and the draft to go fight in the

1307
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:16,760
Vietnam War, he couldn't get a boxing license. They finally,

1308
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,239
after years in a Supreme Court win made this fight

1309
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,920
happen in March of seventy one and at the time

1310
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,599
jobbed the fight of the century, the biggest heavyweight fight

1311
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,599
arguably to that moment. We'll have another discussion about what's

1312
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,119
happened since then. But let's go back in the nostalgia

1313
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:37,320
machine fifty four years ago and Fraser put the loss

1314
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:38,039
on Ali.

1315
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was the one. I was not

1316
00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:41,800
even one year old, because you're a two months older

1317
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,159
than I am, so I don't remember this, but I've

1318
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:45,679
certainly watched this fight numerous times. A matter of fact,

1319
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:48,559
when they celebrated the fiftieth anniversary of this fight a

1320
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:51,199
few years ago, they did like a restoration of it

1321
00:58:51,239 --> 00:58:53,119
and they put on ABC and the Colors, and that

1322
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:56,559
was just so brilliant, how great it looked and sounded that.

1323
00:58:56,679 --> 00:58:58,840
It was just glorious to watch that. I've watched this

1324
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:05,280
fight numerous times. There's rare times in life, forget about boxing,

1325
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,440
where an event is so massively hyped and yet it

1326
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,760
actually lives up our exceeds, and that was this fight

1327
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,079
between Ali and Fraser. You have to understand what was

1328
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:15,400
going on, and I know that you do, but I'm

1329
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,760
not sure necessarily everybody in the audience does.

1330
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 4: Now.

1331
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 3: You mentioned about Ali being a sidelined because he wouldn't

1332
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:23,960
go into the army and be drafted at Vietnam. He

1333
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,639
did that obviously under because of his religious beliefs, he

1334
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:30,519
wouldn't fight in the army anyway, so he therefore didn't

1335
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:33,079
have a license, and he missed three years of his

1336
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:36,880
prime basically, so when he came back after having been

1337
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,239
a dominating heavyweight champion and got suspended and not having

1338
00:59:41,239 --> 00:59:43,960
a license, when he finally came back after all those

1339
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,400
you know, those years out of the rings, so from

1340
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:49,840
he fought his last fight as champion before this situation

1341
00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:53,719
in March of sixty seven. He comes back after the

1342
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,320
suspension in October of nineteen seventy, so well over three

1343
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,719
years he's out of the ring. He fights Jerry Quarry.

1344
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:02,079
Then he takes another fight a couple of months later

1345
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:04,760
against Oscar Banavena. He wins a fifteen round decision. So

1346
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,199
now he's had two wins against Bonavena and Quarry were

1347
01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:11,000
top contenders. He beat them and they made this match

1348
01:00:11,039 --> 01:00:14,360
with Fraser. Now Fraser, between the time Ali was suspended

1349
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,239
had won the tournament that the WBA had put together

1350
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:21,840
and won that title and you know, becing he was undefeated.

1351
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,079
So you know, we've talked about this other points in

1352
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:27,119
boxing history. Ali was still recognized by many people as

1353
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:28,920
the champion because he had never lost in the ring,

1354
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,559
so he's the lineal champion. But Fraser had won belts

1355
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,159
or had won the belt anyway. You know, before he

1356
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:37,840
fought Ali in that first fight, he had won the

1357
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,719
WBC title, and he had beaten Jimmy Ellis. I guess

1358
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,039
it was a WBC tournament WB turnam I forget which

1359
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:46,320
it was many than both. Actually in any event, he

1360
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,920
was staying busy. He had beaten Quarry, he had beaten

1361
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,280
Jimmy Ellis, He'd beaten Bob Foster, who was the light

1362
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,880
heavyweight champion. He blitzed him in two rounds. Because every

1363
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,119
time Foster, who was a great fighter, tried to fight

1364
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,559
in the in the heavyweight division, he just not did

1365
01:00:57,559 --> 01:00:59,840
not have that kind of success. So so Fraser's on

1366
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,639
a right now. I mean, he's knocking everybody out. He's looking.

1367
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,039
He also had beaten Bonavena. You know, those are the

1368
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:07,280
two opponents how he had come back against, and they

1369
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,000
finally make this fight TJ and it was like the

1370
01:01:10,039 --> 01:01:12,719
biggest thing in the world. I mean, the entire focus

1371
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,079
of the society was on Madisonsburg Garden.

1372
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: Because again we have to explain this that the lineage

1373
01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:23,360
of the heavyweight champion of the world in boxing meant

1374
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,320
everything to.

1375
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:25,559
Speaker 2: The American sports fan.

1376
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean, from Joe Lewis to Rocky Marciano and eventually

1377
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:34,159
to Cash's clay slash Muhammad Ali. In the sixties, after Marciano,

1378
01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:37,159
this was the biggest of big deals. Only behind this

1379
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,280
is the truth, only behind baseball, Major League Baseball, the

1380
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,400
American pastime was the biggest deal, and heavyweight boxing was

1381
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,880
basically the second biggest deal in American sports, Bigger than

1382
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,440
pro football, bigger than the basketball, bigger than anything else

1383
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,199
that was really going on at that time. And you

1384
01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:58,480
talk about marinating all the time. He used that word earlier.

1385
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:03,199
This thing not only marinated. This thing was probably overcooked.

1386
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,960
This this thing was off the stove. Maybe we had

1387
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,760
to start up a new recipe. It had been years

1388
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,199
in the making, and they fired.

1389
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 3: But they were still they were still relatively young fighters

1390
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,679
at that But it wasn't It had been.

1391
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: A fight that probably should have happened in the late sixties.

1392
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,760
I'm just nineteen seventy one when this.

1393
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:23,639
Speaker 3: Wasn't pac Yo Mayweather. Okay, this was even Arrow spencing Crawford.

1394
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: But it's not like it's not like the normal timelines

1395
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:31,800
in the sixties in particular, where if there was a

1396
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,360
big fight, it was gonna probably happen within a few months.

1397
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 3: There was There was a lot of stuff besides that.

1398
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:39,559
This was this was two undefeated guys, both with the

1399
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:41,000
claim to the championship. And by the way, as I

1400
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,880
looked this up, it was actually Fraser did have the

1401
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,119
WBA and the WBC title, which was the only two

1402
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:48,639
organizations at that time that mattered, and so he was

1403
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:51,159
defending both of those titles for the second time. Ali

1404
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,079
of course, had been the lineal champion dating back to

1405
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:56,360
when he defeated Sonny Liston. So this was huge. I mean,

1406
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,280
you know, the stories are Frank Sinatra was ringside. You know,

1407
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,760
Norman Naylor was there. Sinatra had a you know, was

1408
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,239
taking pictures for Life magazine, and this is this is hilarious.

1409
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:06,559
I actually looked this up because I knew we were

1410
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:07,880
going to talk about this, because I love this kind

1411
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,679
of shit. Now, obviously inflation changes things. That the the

1412
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,400
purses that Muhammad Ali and Joe Fraser were guaranteed was

1413
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,159
at the time they were each guaranteed two and a

1414
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:21,079
half million dollars apiece at the time in nineteen seventy one,

1415
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,239
the largest single amount of money guaranteed for any entertainer

1416
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,440
athlete for one's ever in the history of the world.

1417
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:30,440
Number one. And now that's like chump change for these

1418
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,119
big events. That the cost of the tickets to go

1419
01:03:33,159 --> 01:03:36,239
to Madison Square Garden for the fight twenty dollars in

1420
01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:39,519
the balcony, one hundred and fifty for ringside. Now the

1421
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:41,239
biggest fight, you can't even get in for less than

1422
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:43,599
like two three hundred dollars, much less the ringside where

1423
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:46,599
it's thousands of dollars. So but the interest was intense,

1424
01:03:46,679 --> 01:03:51,639
that publicity was monstrous. They you know, Ali abused Fraser verbally,

1425
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,719
and Fraser was a great fighter, but not as good

1426
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:56,199
as a talker, and so Ali was a winner on

1427
01:03:56,239 --> 01:03:59,039
that count. But when the fight started and the fight happened,

1428
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:01,440
it was a tremendous back back and forth battle and

1429
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:04,320
uh and Fraser ultimately won the fight, but he punctuated

1430
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,400
the fight with that massive knockdown of Ali in the

1431
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,679
fifteenth round of a really outstanding fight. I mean, I

1432
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,519
actually can't imagine there's any true boxing fans who are

1433
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:16,519
listening to the show who've never actually watched the fight

1434
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:17,519
if you haven't.

1435
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: Actually, younger crowd though, I mean we're getting older, no crowd,

1436
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,800
I'm with you at the A lot of the younger

1437
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,639
crowd just doesn't know, and we need to keep educating them.

1438
01:04:27,679 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 2: But go back and watch.

1439
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 3: Famous the most famous rivalry maybe in the history of sports,

1440
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:35,679
not just in boxing, Ali Fraser.

1441
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:36,119
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

1442
01:04:36,159 --> 01:04:39,079
Speaker 1: I don't know I go that far, but certainly it's

1443
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:43,559
up there. It's certainly in boxing. The Duke North Carolina bas.

1444
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:45,599
Speaker 3: Is bigger than Duke North Carolina is a regional.

1445
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,599
Speaker 1: Again, again, it just depends on what your cup of

1446
01:04:48,639 --> 01:04:51,320
tea is. Some would say it's the Dallas Cowboys playing

1447
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,039
either the Washington Redskins or the Philadelphia Eagles. It depends

1448
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:57,280
on what you consider your biggest your biggest rivalry.

1449
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: We're boxing people.

1450
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 3: I'm talking about in the scheme of world. Yeah, this

1451
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,480
is bigger than Duke North Carolina and I'm a giant

1452
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:06,559
Duke fan. This is bigger than Lakers Celtics. This is

1453
01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:09,559
bigger than Yankees, Dodgers, or whoever you want to put up there.

1454
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,119
This was a worldwide, global event. Ninety nine percent of

1455
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,000
the world doesn't give a rass ass about the Celtics

1456
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:17,400
or the Lakers, doesn't care about Duke in North Carolina

1457
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:19,360
and couldn't give a shit about the Yankees or the

1458
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:20,159
Dallas Cowboys.

1459
01:05:20,199 --> 01:05:22,719
Speaker 1: I'm being more provincial in talking about the American audience.

1460
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,199
You're right worldwide because Ali had fought all over the world.

1461
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 3: My basic point was, if you're a listener to our show,

1462
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,519
you're a boxing fan. And if you're a boxing and

1463
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:34,000
you haven't watched this fight, it's one of the single

1464
01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:36,920
most important and significant and biggest fights in the history

1465
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,880
of the sport. It is readily available for free everywhere,

1466
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,440
especially on YouTube. Not a problem. They show it on

1467
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,519
freaking ESPN, you know when they show replays on a

1468
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:48,000
regular So go watch it because it's.

1469
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,039
Speaker 1: A great fan and it's set the stage for the

1470
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:55,440
trilogy and for massive, massive heavyweight title fights for massive

1471
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,760
money for many years to come. That still basically stays

1472
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,320
intact today. This this fight was the massive money fight

1473
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,760
that really rolled. I'm saying this that really rolled into

1474
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,719
the rest of the nineteen seventies and the the subsequent

1475
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,840
rematches with Fraser and the George Foreman fight as well.

1476
01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 3: I mean humongous, but this is this was bigger than like,

1477
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:25,079
in my opinion, the Thriller in Manila as a just

1478
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:29,639
a as a as a fight that's a more enthralling, dramatic,

1479
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,480
you know, grinding, physical, brutal fight in the first fight.

1480
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,679
First fight's also a great fight, But the more significant fight,

1481
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:40,760
the bigger deal historically, for a lot of different reasons,

1482
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:44,280
is the first fight. The third fight obviously was still

1483
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,280
for the heavyweight championship. The second fight Raley and and

1484
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,639
Fraser was actually just for It was a twelve rounder

1485
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,920
for a for the NABF title.

1486
01:06:52,719 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: Non world title fight. You get a lot of people

1487
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,400
on that trivia question. The second fight was a non

1488
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:57,199
world title.

1489
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 3: Fight, and it also was, like you know, the first fights,

1490
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,400
a legendary fight. The third fight is one of the

1491
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,679
maybe the greatest heavyweight fight in the history of heavyweight boxing.

1492
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:06,760
The second fight wouldn't make any of those lists just

1493
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,400
it was just another fight in terms of the action.

1494
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:10,840
Was very you know, it was okay, but it wasn't

1495
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,559
like the first and third. But this first fight, you know,

1496
01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:17,519
the entire global world is focused on this little ring

1497
01:07:17,559 --> 01:07:20,119
in Madison Square Garden for that for that hour or

1498
01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:22,480
so of that fight was just a remarkable event. And

1499
01:07:22,519 --> 01:07:24,920
I've gone back and read the real time accounts. One

1500
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,480
of the things I love a back going. You can

1501
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,039
go and find it on the computer. I used to

1502
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:29,280
go when I was a kid and read like the

1503
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,480
microfilm in the in the in the library.

1504
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: And I would look old school, yep, but.

1505
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: I would go like, I'd be like in the it's

1506
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,519
the winter time where I grew up, and you can't

1507
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:40,719
be running around outside, so you know, i'd be with

1508
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,400
my mother and my sister were at the like the

1509
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,079
local library in our town, and they're off looking at

1510
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:47,360
whatever looking at and I'm over in the microfilm and

1511
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,280
I'm busting out, like you know, the New York Times

1512
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,000
clips from nineteen seventy one, and I'm reading about Ali

1513
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,039
and h and Joe Frasier and I'm and I'm also

1514
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:57,679
doing the same thing, and I'm going back and I'm

1515
01:07:57,719 --> 01:08:00,719
reading about you know, you know then the great nineteen

1516
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,280
fifties and sixties New York Yankees teams. But I would

1517
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,880
always look up baseball stuff, boxing stuff, you know, political things.

1518
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,760
But I read tons of boxing microfilm, and I remember

1519
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,039
reading about these fights in real time from the columnists,

1520
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:15,079
you know, in the in the papers that were available

1521
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:17,520
in the library, particularly the New York Times, and you

1522
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:18,840
can read tons about that fight.

1523
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,119
Speaker 1: Yep, it was that big of a deal, and it

1524
01:08:21,119 --> 01:08:23,960
was nearly fifty five years ago. I am fifty five

1525
01:08:24,039 --> 01:08:27,159
years old and it was my Oneth birthday in nineteen

1526
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:29,920
seventy one for Ali Fraser. For that night, I won

1527
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,880
more piece of nostalgya. It's kind of a come down

1528
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,840
after we've talked about all that. We're going to talk

1529
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,600
about a Hall of famer in Bernard Hopkins. But he

1530
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:40,119
accomplished something which hasn't been touched, Am I correct to

1531
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:44,479
that point? He accomplished something that hasn't been touched right

1532
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,920
that night when he won the IBF light heavyweight title

1533
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,359
on March the ninth. As we're releasing this podcast at

1534
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,640
his Sunday night March the ninth, March the ninth, twenty thirteen,

1535
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,479
twelve years ago, tell him more about the historic light

1536
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,960
heavyweight title night for Bernard Hopkins.

1537
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,359
Speaker 3: Well, it was a night of history. I mean, for

1538
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:05,920
a long time. Everybody knows it was very famous when

1539
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,319
George Foreman knocked out Michael Moore. Not only did he

1540
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:12,199
win the heavyweight championship in that legendary moment with the

1541
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:15,000
great call by our pal Jim Lampley. You know, it happened.

1542
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,560
It happened there at the MGM Grand and George wins

1543
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,920
the title on kneels down to pray in the corner

1544
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,880
after accomplishing his feat and you know is winning the

1545
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,039
world title. You know, it was incomprehensible that a man

1546
01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:28,399
in his forties, you know, would become the heavyweight champion

1547
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,000
against a young guy, especially like Michael Moore was. But

1548
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,239
Bernard Hopkins would go on to break that record at

1549
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:39,039
age forty six when he defeated Jean Pascal in their rematch.

1550
01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:41,520
They had had a draw in their first fight back

1551
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,319
in twenty ten. That was at the end of twenty ten.

1552
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,359
They fought an immediate rematch in May of twenty eleven

1553
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:49,239
at the Bell Center in Montreal. I was ringside for

1554
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:51,800
that fight, and that was the fight that very memorably

1555
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,239
Bernard Hopkins to show that he was still a young

1556
01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:58,520
man in terms of his abilities. When Pascal was seemingly

1557
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,000
tired out and breathing head being on the stool, Bernard

1558
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,279
Hopkins dropped down and started doing push ups in the

1559
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:06,119
ring between the rounds late in that fight and he

1560
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,359
went on to win the unanimous decision and became the

1561
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,920
light heavyweight champion in age forty six and broke the record,

1562
01:10:11,039 --> 01:10:12,520
and a lot of people, I think still think that

1563
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,720
is the record because the fight that he had against

1564
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,479
Tavories Cloud, well, hey, the Pascal fight was for the

1565
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,119
actual that was for not only was it for the

1566
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:22,199
WBC belt, but it was also for the lineal title,

1567
01:10:22,279 --> 01:10:25,119
so had a little more significance from that standpoint. But

1568
01:10:25,239 --> 01:10:27,920
when Tavoris Cloud had become the IBF champion and Bernard

1569
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,199
fought him on March ninth, twenty thirteen at Barclay Center,

1570
01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:34,479
which I was also ringside for, he was able to win,

1571
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,159
you know, a very clear decision eight to four on

1572
01:10:37,239 --> 01:10:40,520
two cards, nine to three on the third card, and

1573
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,640
defeat Tavoris Cloud to become the IBF Flight Heavyweight champ. So,

1574
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,880
two years after he had broken the record at forty

1575
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,560
six to become oldest to win a world title, he

1576
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,399
breaks his own record at age forty eight to become

1577
01:10:53,119 --> 01:10:55,119
a world champion once again. Now, it was not the

1578
01:10:55,119 --> 01:10:56,840
most memorable fight in the world. It was you know,

1579
01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:00,640
most Bernard Hopkins fights, frankly, were not that memorable. Maybe

1580
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,640
the results were, but the actual action was not. This

1581
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,479
was sort of in that vein, but this was like

1582
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,039
a live HBO fight and there was a lot of

1583
01:11:06,119 --> 01:11:09,039
hype around it, and Tavoris Pad was very good strong,

1584
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:11,399
you know, good puncher. He obviously had the title at

1585
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,840
that time this so I don't think people considered this

1586
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:19,239
a walkover. Bernard was the underdog in this fight, and listen,

1587
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,600
he did the job. He's an old man, forty eight

1588
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,880
years old. He was still fighting effectively even as he

1589
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,560
got to fifty, because after this he was sitting all

1590
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,760
kinds of age related records. Not only was it about

1591
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,560
becoming the oldest man to regain a title, to win

1592
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,640
a title. In his next defense against Carl Murrat, he

1593
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,479
was the oldest fighter to defend the world title. I mean,

1594
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,920
he was just taking care of business. He beat Schumanov.

1595
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,399
I mean, he actually went on a pretty good run

1596
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,600
after that before he finally ran into Covilev and lost

1597
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,119
by a one sided route. But this was a very

1598
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,800
historic night for Bernard Hopkins, and he goes down as

1599
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,600
one of the great middleweights and light heavyweights in boxing historia.

1600
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,319
Hall of Famer obviously, and you know, I'm proud to

1601
01:11:55,319 --> 01:11:58,319
say I covered I don't know, twenty six Bernard Hopkins

1602
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:00,359
fight or something like that at ringside. I've gonne to

1603
01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:01,880
no Bernard quite well. Matter of fact, of all the

1604
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,600
boxers I had ever covered, there's a couple of guys

1605
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,720
I still talk to and keep in touch with that

1606
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:09,319
we have maybe it's a little more than just a

1607
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:11,920
business relationship at this point, and I think Bernard Hopkins

1608
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,039
is probably one of those guys for me.

1609
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 2: And again that night.

1610
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,279
Speaker 1: Back twelve years ago, forty eight years of age to

1611
01:12:20,279 --> 01:12:22,399
win a world time, I'm asking off the top of

1612
01:12:22,399 --> 01:12:25,279
my head, because you would know this, has anybody come

1613
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,000
close since then as a forty year old, even a

1614
01:12:29,039 --> 01:12:31,720
forty two year old. Wasn't there a fighter that we

1615
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,159
were talking about that had a WBA title at the

1616
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:36,800
very bottom of the of the weight classes that was

1617
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,560
like near a forty year old. Nobody's no, I mean

1618
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,000
right now, nobody's going to touch a forty eight year

1619
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:42,960
old winning a world time.

1620
01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:44,279
Speaker 3: And the one I can think of off the top

1621
01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:46,079
of ahead, but he wasn't even close to forty eight

1622
01:12:46,119 --> 01:12:48,520
is many Pakow when he beat Thurman to become the

1623
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,279
oldest welterweight champion he was forty.

1624
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,520
Speaker 2: He was forty, right, and that was you know, that

1625
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,479
was still a prison Paki paqui.

1626
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: How was bidding two years later, right in twenty twenty one,

1627
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,119
as a forty two year old old to get it

1628
01:13:01,399 --> 01:13:05,119
back from Ordinis Ugas and didn't win. Forty eight is

1629
01:13:05,159 --> 01:13:08,319
six years seven years older than that, six seven years older.

1630
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,199
Speaker 3: And the thing about when he fought the fight and

1631
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,600
won it, you know a lot of guys would say

1632
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,880
it's like the Swan song and this and that. Like

1633
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,560
I said, Bernard went on and made two successful defenses

1634
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,640
against fighters that were pretty good guy, pretty good fighters.

1635
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,520
I mean, when he beat Schumanov, he unified two of

1636
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,039
the titles. He became the oldest. He'd already become the

1637
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:28,359
oldest to win the title twice. He already become the

1638
01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:30,640
oldest to defend the title when he beat Marot. Now

1639
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:35,199
he fights Schumanov in an IBF IBF WBA unification, he

1640
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:37,560
becomes the oldest to unify titles that I was at

1641
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,319
that fight. I was at Kerra Murat and Schumanov. Actually

1642
01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:42,560
the Schumannov fight was here in the DC area, right

1643
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,560
in my backyard, and he did a tremendous Shop in

1644
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,039
those fights. So he was still fighting at a very

1645
01:13:47,079 --> 01:13:49,039
high level, which is why when they made the covid

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Left fight at the end of twenty fourteen, and he's

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coming off to win against Chumanov earlier in twenty fourteen.

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You know, in retrospect is easier to say, well, he

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had no shot. He was, you know, you know, almost

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fifty years old at this point, and he lost every

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01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,600
single round to covid Left. Well, if you go back

1652
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,359
in the real time when it was happening, yeah, fine,

1653
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covid Lev was the favorite, but a lot of people

1654
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thought Bernard Hopkins had a good chance to maybe out

1655
01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:12,520
box covial Lev and to kind of stink him out

1656
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,359
a little bit. And obviously he lost not only every round,

1657
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but covi Lev also scored a knockdown against Bernard in

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the first round. But you know, he was he was

1659
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one of the rare fighters. There's a few in history.

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Archie Moore is one that comes to mind who had

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a lot of success when they got to be into

1662
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:31,199
their into their you know, late forties. Even Bernard is

1663
01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:33,439
a freak of nature who scored lots of big wins

1664
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,720
and is and I've said this numerous times Once I

1665
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:41,119
get past Floyd Mayweather and Roy Jones in terms of

1666
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the best fighters I ever personally covered and saw live,

1667
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,039
it becomes a question of who's number three? Is it

1668
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pac Yaw, you know, or is it Hopkins. I mean,

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01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,520
those two guys are in the conversation. That's how good

1670
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,279
Bernard was. Technically wasn't the most exciting guy in the world,

1671
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but the fucker could win fights.

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking at this in terms of the legendary fighters.

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We did make mention that Evander Holyfield fought John Ruiz.

1674
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You talked about that in the last couple of months

1675
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in the Nostalgia and he was forty six years old.

1676
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That's in the neighborhood of being forty eight.

1677
01:15:13,319 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 3: Well, he did, he didn't win that fight.

1678
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Speaker 1: He did not win that fight, and he didn't win it.

1679
01:15:16,319 --> 01:15:18,920
And that's not forty eight years old. That's incredible, that's

1680
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:20,359
incredible for Bernard Hopkins.

1681
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Speaker 2: With that, it has been a busy show.

1682
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Speaker 1: We've recapped, We've heard from the upcoming prospect a Mauri

1683
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,119
Jones fighting this weekend, nice one on one interview. With that,

1684
01:15:30,199 --> 01:15:32,760
we've given you some news from Nostalgia. Let's see what

1685
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,239
happens in the Wednesday Keith Thurman Brock Jarvis fight Wednesday

1686
01:15:36,279 --> 01:15:38,720
morning in the US, Wednesday night in Australia.

1687
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:41,239
Speaker 2: The Japanese flyweight.

1688
01:15:42,199 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: Unification fight is Thursday morning between Taraji and Akui, again

1689
01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:50,600
on ESPN Plus in the United States Thursday morning, Thursday

1690
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,279
night in Japan. Let's see what happens in those fights.

1691
01:15:54,119 --> 01:15:55,840
I Am going to be a busy guy this week,

1692
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:59,960
traveling and doing college basketball. We'll wedge in a preview

1693
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:01,920
pod headed to the weekend. But I'm headed off to

1694
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:06,600
Indianapolis first Raypiel to do college basketball for Championship week

1695
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,439
for the NCAA tournament coming up these smaller conferences.

1696
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,359
Speaker 2: I'm going to come back for a day to Florida.

1697
01:16:12,039 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: And then go to Atlantic City You're old stomping Grant

1698
01:16:15,079 --> 01:16:17,760
and do another college basketball tournament Saturday night. But we'll

1699
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,680
wedge in the recap of these midweek fights and a

1700
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:21,840
preview in and around there.

1701
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 2: We're going to service the peeps. The peeps will not

1702
01:16:24,119 --> 01:16:25,560
do without later on this week.

1703
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 4: Well.

1704
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,159
Speaker 3: And the good thing is from that standpoint of your schedule,

1705
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,000
the the you know, we know what we're going to

1706
01:16:30,039 --> 01:16:32,000
recap with the fights that are happening on the weekend,

1707
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:34,159
it's it's not a busy schedule. There's the card you

1708
01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:37,079
mentioned with Ma Williams against Valney that includes Berlanga and

1709
01:16:37,119 --> 01:16:40,039
Omari Jones's professional debut. And the only other real action

1710
01:16:40,079 --> 01:16:42,680
of the weekend is is Uh at least in America

1711
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,399
on his owne and TNT in the UK. It's one

1712
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:48,319
of the final Frank Warren and Queensberry cards before they

1713
01:16:48,319 --> 01:16:50,119
switch over to the Zone in the month of April.

1714
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:54,000
And that's Nick Ball, very exciting fighter defending his By

1715
01:16:54,079 --> 01:16:58,039
the way, TJ. Dohaney, I'm not your notr namesake, but

1716
01:16:58,119 --> 01:17:01,880
not so yeah. So we'll get it all bug all right, so.

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01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 2: We've got a lot to cover.

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01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: Nice job here on the on the Recap pod and

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01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:06,840
have a good week, my friend.

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01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,279
Speaker 2: I'll be back in touch. I love it as always

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01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,680
good stuffy sir. There you go, there's Dan Rayfield. I'm

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01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:13,159
merely TJ.

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01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:13,560
Speaker 3: Reese.

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01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:21,760
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1727
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,239
well on the new boxing promotion If He's got with

1728
01:17:24,279 --> 01:17:26,920
Turkey Ala Chic and the Saudi's and all that upcoming

1729
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,119
great great get by Dan if you hear that on

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