WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:00.160 You. 2 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:04.679 Chilly effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and 3 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:12.000 listeners liking Yeah, I know, most aggravated noise media. 4 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:16.600 Believe it or not, it is a Wednesday. It is 5 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:21.160 March eighteen, twenty twenty six, allegedly according to that thing 6 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:23.800 we call a calendar. Funny thing is we're past the 7 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:27.039 IDEs of March. And did anybody notice? Also, I think 8 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:29.440 Saint Patrick's Day might have happened a couple of days ago. 9 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.039 But again, you know, with the disconnected world, how do 10 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:36.560 I know it's it's a legend. I don't know. I 11 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:40.640 did see something about leprechauns. I think they recycled a 12 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:44.640 clip online and went viral again, or maybe maybe it's 13 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.759 a new one. It's weird and it's funny, and I'm 14 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:49.960 waiting for somebody to just start pulling out lucky charms 15 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:53.479 boxes and get it over with for Saint Patrick's Day 16 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:57.200 in America. Any who. That's not what we're here to 17 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:00.600 talk about today, not at all, and not the eye March. 18 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.560 And I wish I was talking about the assassination of Caesar, 19 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.439 because I do find it fascinating, But that's not what 20 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:10.120 we're discussing. We're going to go way out there with 21 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:13.159 Larry Hancock, who is the author of a great many things, 22 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:16.719 a great many informative pieces on the behavior of the 23 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:20.000 national security state of the United States as well as 24 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:25.239 other foreign nations, and in a diverse library of stuff 25 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:28.120 you can get. I recommend all of Larry's works, but 26 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:33.519 today's focus, you might want to have the book called Unidentified. 27 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:37.439 I believe that's the main title. It's got a longer title, 28 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:41.319 but Unidentified is a kind of a departure for Larry 29 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:44.879 where indeed he's talking about UFOs. 30 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:44.560 But. 31 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:49.680 They don't call him that anymore. They're UAPs, etc. And 32 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:54.439 Larry's active with people that are actually getting some oversight, 33 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:59.840 getting some hearings, occasionally getting some headlines, but not his people. 34 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:04.840 His people are involved in the more historical, scientific, statistical, 35 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:07.519 that kind of stuff. And other people are out there 36 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.759 telling you we have stolen alien technology that we reversed engineered, 37 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:13.280 and I know so, and they'll probably kill me for it. 38 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.919 Congress headlines that all happens at the same time, But 39 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.960 Larry's group does not do that. They look at the 40 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:24.520 historical record as it stands, what is open to be 41 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:27.800 known and what has become known, and in fact, they've 42 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:33.319 tracked a great interesting pattern search throughout the behavior of 43 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:37.199 what they call UAPs and other unexplained or semi explained 44 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:42.439 phenomena that have occurred in real time in relatively recent history. 45 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:48.960 But then again, the declassifications and the disclosures continue anyhow, Larry, 46 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:51.360 I don't even know where to begin, because we haven't 47 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.879 talked about this in a while, but it is relevant 48 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:58.960 and it's something again unidentified as that book you want 49 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:01.639 to check out. It's kind of got a funky, sort 50 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:05.400 of bluish green tinto it. If you notice that, that'll 51 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.400 stand out among Larry's books when you go on Amazon 52 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:11.240 or anything else, or you go to Larry's blog, which 53 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:13.560 there will be a link to in the show notes. 54 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:17.520 At all times, where do we begin talking about, you know, 55 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:19.680 not all the past. I don't want you to rehash 56 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.039 it because if they don't know, they don't know. But 57 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:26.960 what's going on currently or recently when it comes to 58 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:31.039 the study of UAPs and the behaviors of our national 59 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:35.800 security state, our military, et cetera. Regarding this, Where should 60 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:38.759 we begin about you know, maybe new stuff that you're 61 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:42.479 discovering or unpacking or bringing to light or working with 62 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:46.520 other people to identify among the unidentified. 63 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:51.560 Well, I think there are a couple of threads that 64 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:54.719 are going on. One is a constant news thread, I 65 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:59.680 mean as constant as anything can be these days. It's like, okay, no, 66 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.639 no news headline continues for more than two or three 67 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:07.599 days unless it's a war, okay, and then that subsumes 68 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:11.800 everything else. But in the last what in the last 69 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:16.240 eight months, we have had congressional hearings on the JFK assassination, 70 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:22.839 the more MLK assassination, on UFOs or as you said, UAPs, 71 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:26.000 which is a new term term for it, which I 72 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:34.360 can comment on separately. Uh, we've it's even the thread 73 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:38.079 of constant interruption of theme is even going down in Congress. 74 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:41.439 You know, you have one congress person, Representative Luna, who 75 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:47.399 is holding oversight committees on like five different mysteries. So 76 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:52.240 what's up this week? You know what, what's today's topic 77 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:55.360 of We don't know about it? Will you give us 78 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:57.639 the documents that? That's kind of the world we're in. 79 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:01.800 So there's an ongoing drum beat. It's unusual if you 80 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:05.000 go for more than two or three weeks without seeing 81 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:10.160 a story on UAPs. I mean we're in a particularly 82 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:13.680 it's not quite true at the moment, because when you 83 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:15.879 go to war, you know, that tends to shove it 84 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:18.600 off the page. But even within the last couple of weeks, 85 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:27.199 I've seen news articles about unidentified anomalous phenomena, which is 86 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:34.959 the new term for entified flying object UAP, and that 87 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:38.439 that term comes out of a government office that was 88 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:44.360 actually mandated by a congressional inquiry. Uh, and it chose 89 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:49.000 to use introduce this new term and go back to 90 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:53.240 actually the term phenomena, which you know is a lot 91 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:57.680 more general, a lot less structured, a lot less tangible 92 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:02.360 than flying a object. Right, Yeah, So immediately by changing 93 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:07.800 course and calling it a phenomena, you've diffused some concern 94 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:11.279 about it. Yeah, it's a phenomena. It's not an object. 95 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:13.480 So how much do I worry about phenomena? 96 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:17.879 Well that's the other qualifier, Yeah, Yeah, that's the other 97 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:21.560 qualifier here, because recently, right, there was this leak which 98 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.160 is from a few years back, where apparently some fighter 99 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:28.720 jets were scrambled to intercept something that they couldn't describe 100 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:32.680 as an object, but they fired missiles at it, and 101 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:36.079 this thing took the missiles and I saw this piece 102 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:38.360 of tape and don't know what to make of it 103 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:42.360 except a spherical thing which might not be an object, 104 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:46.920 might be something else, a field of sorts. It seemed 105 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:51.120 like seemed to grab hellfire missiles and just like, okay, 106 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:53.399 I'll absorb that and take it with me, and then 107 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:57.399 it zipped off of the observing camera. Did you see 108 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:00.480 that footage? Because I was like, well, I got to 109 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.399 say that I'm gonna stop arguing with the word phenomena 110 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:06.680 because I don't even know if that was an object 111 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.199 given what I'm looking at and given the reports of 112 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.639 the pilots allegedly. Right, So, I mean, you got a 113 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.240 lot of things going on here, and indeed, yeah, it's 114 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:19.279 difficult to compete with a war, the Epstein files, whatever 115 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:23.000 the latest controversy is from Air Force one. Uh, you know, 116 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:26.879 the news media shakeups, et cetera. I mean, it's it's 117 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:30.839 almost a strange land we're in where UAPs or UFOs 118 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:35.360 even are battling for some sort of pop in the headlines. 119 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:39.160 But that is the current reality of twenty twenty six, right. 120 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.360 Yeah, yeah, there's there's there's nothing that's going to have 121 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.839 any continuity to it. It pops up, it goes under 122 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.560 the under the radar, as it were, comes back up, 123 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:53.839 and and so it's it's difficult to really say where 124 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:57.079 you are on those various instances. And and the other 125 00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:00.480 thing we're facing is the fact that we're face in 126 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:05.439 our investigations. As you mentioned that film footage, we have 127 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:08.480 no background on that film footage. It just appears on 128 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:13.439 the internet. Okay, we don't know have an exact location, 129 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.680 We don't actually have reports from the pilots. We have descriptions. 130 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:26.120 It's being investigated, it's not It looks really concrete when 131 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:29.480 it shows up on Facebook or YouTube or something like that, 132 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:33.840 but no more or less than something that shows up 133 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:38.279 every week like that. And it's getting harder and harder 134 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:44.559 to track the real from the artificial. We don't I 135 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:48.720 can't show you. Maybe we will see it. The group 136 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:53.480 that's supposedly investigating those reports is likely going to be 137 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:57.919 issuing a report for twenty twenty five sometime in the 138 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:01.600 next six months, and we might actually be able to 139 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:06.039 say something about what you saw on the video. What's 140 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:11.240 happening now is I think because of frustration, because of 141 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:16.759 other motivations, this stuff is just being leaked out, you know, 142 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:19.279 kind of like in the olden days, a story would 143 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:23.159 show up in Life magazine or post or you know, 144 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:26.799 newspaper headline, and you would see it before it was 145 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:30.639 even really investigated. The same thing is still happening to 146 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.919 us today. It's just showing up on YouTube or Facebook 147 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:36.679 or Reddit or something like that, and we're in the 148 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:39.279 same place we were back then. It's kind of like, huh, 149 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:43.159 you know, is that real? Is it not real? What 150 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.159 do I have to go on to make that judgment? 151 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:49.080 I don't have anything other than what I'm seeing. Right 152 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:53.080 then I get to make the call and from the 153 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:57.600 group that I work with, which is the Scientific Coalition 154 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:02.120 to look into these subjects. That's almost meaningless to us 155 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:06.120 because we don't have data. Do we take report? Sure? 156 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:09.440 Would we analyze the film, you bet? We analyze the 157 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:12.799 video yet, but we've got to have the originals. We've 158 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:17.279 got to have the metadata for that, because ninety percent 159 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:19.919 of what we see showing up from everywhere is bogus. 160 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:20.600 Right. 161 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:23.559 You know, it was bad enough when people were just 162 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:28.559 creating it with tools. Now they're using AIS and ais 163 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:32.159 with tools, right, and we're it's just becoming a nightmare 164 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:33.919 as far as reports are concerned. 165 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.919 Well, so that was the reason why I brought it up, 166 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:43.639 because it's spectacular in its appearance, but at the same time, 167 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.679 when it comes to actually studying the event, you don't 168 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:48.440 have any of the data. Like you said, we don't 169 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:51.720 know where the original is, We don't know, you know, 170 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:55.840 what the pilots reported with their line of sight. We 171 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:58.399 don't know any of that stuff except what we have 172 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:02.919 a couple of descriptions, but those are not necessarily verified 173 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.639 either until they are and it's going to take a 174 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:09.559 release right now. Like you said, it could be frustration 175 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.000 that causes these leaks, and it could be that there 176 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:15.360 are dozens of these events or hundreds of them, or 177 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:19.039 maybe it's just the one. That's another thing we don't know, right, 178 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:21.919 Is this a common occurrence at this point? And if 179 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:26.080 it is, you know, are we worried? Because obviously, from 180 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.960 the look of the video, our technology is not able 181 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:33.120 to compete with whatever is happening there. So let's just 182 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.200 say it was another nation state that has developed a 183 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:40.080 new weapon and they're just pinpricking us to see what 184 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:44.159 we'll do. That's another story. If it's off world, yet 185 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:47.720 another story, and we have no leads to give us 186 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:50.120 any indication as to where it came from, what it 187 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:52.440 actually is, or anything else. 188 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:59.039 And a simpler and even probably more likely explanation is 189 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.399 it's a balloon, okay, and the hellfire missile is not 190 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:05.279 going to do anything to it except pass by it 191 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:11.200 very quickly. You know, we don't know why the pilots 192 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:15.240 fired a really expensive missile when we were talking about 193 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:18.519 millions of dollars. We don't know what system was used 194 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:20.879 to track it, engage it. We don't know what happened 195 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:25.919 to the missile. We just really don't know except from oh, 196 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:29.720 the missile approached this thing, it didn't do anything to it. 197 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:34.720 Helf Our missiles are not decided designed to cope with balloons. 198 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:40.159 But then again, I don't know what system was used 199 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.080 in the missile to track it. Was it infrared, was 200 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:45.440 it radar, home any what? I just I don't know. 201 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:49.200 But to get back to your basic point, something most 202 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:52.480 people don't realize and probably needs to be restated for 203 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:55.399 the general audience at this point in time, is that 204 00:12:56.080 --> 00:13:01.360 is that the the group, the organization responsible for collecting 205 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:07.039 reports these days, and the only official organization responsible for 206 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.799 collecting reports is a group called the All Domain Anomaly 207 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:18.639 Resolutions Office AAR. An AR was established by the Defense 208 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.519 Department in response to an Act of Congress and response 209 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:28.200 to congressional hearings, and AAR is a new, a relatively new, 210 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:32.240 just a few years old group that was set up 211 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:38.000 to take reports and do thorough investigations of them. However, 212 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:41.279 at this point in time, that group is only taking 213 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:48.519 reports from the military, only taking reports over military operations areas, 214 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:54.840 and only taking reports that, you know, it's not at 215 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.919 all close to what Bluebook was doing historically. It's not 216 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:02.600 all close to what civilian groups are doing. So we 217 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:08.080 have no insight into total numbers, you know, and the 218 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:12.320 total numbers at this point in time. There are civilian 219 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:16.720 groups that take reports over the internet, you know, and 220 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:21.879 do collect reports and publish numbers, and their numbers are 221 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:27.200 orders of magnitudes higher than what we see coming from AAR. 222 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:30.960 But of course the majority of their reports are just that, 223 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.399 they're just reports, they're not investigated, they're not confirmed. So 224 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.000 we really don't have any idea at all of the 225 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:44.600 numbers going, you know, even across the United States. So 226 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:48.200 your point is well taken. We don't have an idea 227 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:52.200 of the overall true, any vetted level of activity, any 228 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.000 vetted level of presence. What we're just coping with is 229 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:01.360 the good news is that the Congress had passed the legislation, 230 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:05.519 did create the office, and the office is going, you know, 231 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.919 in a rigorous process of collecting what you might consider 232 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.200 would be the best reports that are coming from you know, 233 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:17.480 military pilots or military installations, a lot of them with 234 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:22.000 tracking data, instrumental data. This is this is the good stuff. 235 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:25.240 This is better than you know, me walking out across 236 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:28.840 my front yard and seeing an ORB and getting on 237 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:31.559 the internet and logging it in. So you know that 238 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:36.840 they're they're probably getting the highest quality reports available, and 239 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:42.960 they are. They are reporting on them like Bluebook did. Uh. Unfortunately, 240 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.720 they're reporting on them in somewhat of a summary fashion. 241 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:51.240 We're not seeing we're seeing a few sample reports in 242 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:54.679 some detail, but we're not seeing all of them. And 243 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.840 then when we see them, we don't see all the 244 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:02.240 data that was used in their analysis. And so there 245 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:06.080 are a few instances where our group, our SEU group 246 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.960 has looked at their analysis and said, you know, we 247 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:11.559 looked at this, We had scientists look at it, and 248 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.159 we came to a different conclusion. Let's talk. You know, 249 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:17.919 did you guys consider this, did you guys consider that? 250 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:21.559 And so that process is a good thing, but it 251 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:26.200 gets back to your overall question, which the question being 252 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:31.759 how are UAPs or UFOs really being treated? And the 253 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:35.639 answer is they're treated in a better fashion than they 254 00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:40.559 were between nineteen seventy and you know, twenty twenty, but 255 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.440 not in a comparable fashion in term of scope of collection, 256 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:51.440 you know, scope of investigation. You're dealing with dozens of reports, 257 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:53.000 not thousands of reports. 258 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:57.240 Right, so look, in a limited way, data is being 259 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.879 collected properly, but you know, a lot more could be done. 260 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:04.880 You know, how seriously is this being taken? I mean, 261 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.960 is it just the public kind of outcry? Because in 262 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:13.599 a way, some of the sensational, less reliable stuff has 263 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:17.759 a purpose in that I think it provokes some actions 264 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:21.359 right by the Congress, et cetera. Because if people weren't 265 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.119 asking about this, I don't think they'd even you know, 266 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:27.079 bother with the hearings, because as you said, they've been 267 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:31.319 busy with a lot of historical issues, let's call them, 268 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:34.400 you know, and of course with the recent idea that 269 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:36.559 maybe we're going to have a problem with Cuba again. 270 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:39.400 I mean, that could be another thing that's got to 271 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:43.119 go before the Oversight Committee, like, hey, let's revisit what's 272 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:47.240 already happened in Cuba before we go, you know, before 273 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.960 we going Iran on it, because I mean, that's another 274 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:51.799 mess and you and I are going to have to 275 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.359 talk about that in the near future again, I think. 276 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:58.279 But sadly, I mean, you got to say that some 277 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:04.640 of the more outlandish or extraordinary let's be generous, extraordinary 278 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:08.720 you know, leaks and things may have served a purpose 279 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.279 in that it moved the needle so that you know, 280 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:14.720 Congress had to react, so therefore something serious had to 281 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:18.480 be done. So therefore at least an organization to collect 282 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.039 this data, which previously for many years did not exist 283 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:27.359 at all, was at least in stated was created. Would 284 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:29.519 you argue that that, I mean, I know you're not 285 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:31.200 thrilled with a lot of the stuff that's come out 286 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:36.640 because it's not very useful historically, etc. But in a way, strategically, 287 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:40.400 one could say, if you wanted to provoke action from 288 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:44.519 the US government to put some resources into collecting these things, 289 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:47.559 if you wanted to provoke a Larry Hancock and his 290 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:50.759 group of people that are studying this from an academic 291 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.519 point of view. I mean, this kind of thing does 292 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.880 help I think in that way, would you would you 293 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:57.920 say that's true or. 294 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:02.640 No, it's certainly helpful. But I think I have to 295 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:07.359 backtrack in one aspect it really was is this is 296 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:12.680 quite different than the first UFO investigations back in the 297 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:18.200 fifties and sixties were triggered because the Defense Department, the 298 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:21.839 Air Force seriously thought what they were seeing might be 299 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:26.799 is a threat, you know, Soviet threat in particular right now, 300 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.559 the congressional hearings, I would say the only reason that 301 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:34.200 this came forward out of the Congressional hearings was they 302 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:39.000 took testimony from a number of pilots, primarily Navy pilots, 303 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:43.559 who responded to this and were putting it forth as 304 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:48.759 a matter of air safety that these objects were actually 305 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:54.240 a potential threat to Navy air operations, training operations. They 306 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:57.640 could be an equal threat to commercial air you know, 307 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:04.440 whatever they are. They're not equipped with transponders, they don't 308 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:08.839 file flight paths, and we have such intense amounts of 309 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:12.279 air activity going on that you know, their view actually 310 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:18.200 one of the first and of these current contemporary encounters 311 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.440 actually from a decade ago now came out because the 312 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:29.400 Navy group involved was deployed in a staging area to 313 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:33.880 prepare the task force for deployment overseas, and they're going 314 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:37.279 about their normal business and they got to see these 315 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:44.640 highly capable objects descending from extreme altitude at extreme deccelerations 316 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:48.279 into their practice area where they would be coming through 317 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:54.039 aircraft that were going out in practicing combat and various exercises. 318 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:58.640 And the order to engage them was given not because 319 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:02.839 there were a military type threat, but because they were 320 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:09.079 a threat to air safety, and that is carried on that. Uh, 321 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:13.759 the Navy pilots were in both the Pacific and the 322 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:18.279 Atlantic became very concerned that these objects were appearing in 323 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:23.279 staging deployment. Uh, you know, sanctioned test areas where you're 324 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:28.200 not you know, the commercial and private aircraft are not 325 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:30.400 supposed to be there at all, and these things were 326 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:34.279 there routinely, and you know, they're seeing them and it's 327 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.279 not like somebody's going to run into one of these things. 328 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:40.519 We're going to lose people, and and that's really Congress 329 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:47.400 responded more to the air safety issue because drones obviously 330 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:49.880 come into that too, where you know, we've had lots 331 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:55.960 and lots of incidents of near collisions uh drones being involved, 332 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.200 and so the answer question the point is we're approaching it, 333 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:05.839 and I think they're approaching it as much as an 334 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:11.400 air safety issue. One of the people test giving presentation 335 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:15.599 or upcoming conference has been with the government, been with 336 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:19.440 the Defense Department, and very much engaged with it from 337 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:23.200 an air safety issue. So the government's not really approaching 338 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:27.440 it as a threat. If I look at the tasking 339 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:33.000 for the National Intelligence Community, it's not on there. It's 340 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:39.240 not being treated at those levels as a as something 341 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:44.440 to be investigated and analyzed as a potential threat from 342 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:49.079 an adversary. As a military it's just it's not task 343 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.759 I mean. And you can understand right now if you 344 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:54.599 look at the laundry list of what the military is 345 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:59.319 supposed to be worried about, you know, including how quickly 346 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:03.480 they're going to run out of munitions period, you probably 347 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:06.039 wouldn't put that very high on the list. They've got 348 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:09.720 a lot of concerns. So this is does not make 349 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:14.640 the short list for military consideration. It has made a 350 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:19.279 list for air safety concerns, which kind of takes us 351 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:22.880 into what I just said, And that's why AARO is 352 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:27.519 really primarily concerned about what's going on with these unidentified 353 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:34.079 objects over insecure military flight zones, over restricted training areas, 354 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.160 over basis, you know, where there's not supposed to be 355 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:41.480 anything without a file flight plan or identifying itself. 356 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:44.680 Well, right now, that leads to the bigger question that 357 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:46.960 there seemed to be a pattern that was assumed by 358 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:51.559 a lot of people where look, they whatever this is, 359 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:55.119 you know, whatever the phenomena is, there seemed to be 360 00:23:55.200 --> 00:24:00.519 a focus or a special interest, say in the weapons 361 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:06.839 of mass destruction, especially nuclear weapons, nuclear facilities, things like that, 362 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:09.000 Like they wanted to get a look at the most 363 00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:11.400 destructive weapons. It seemed like if you were trying to 364 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:17.440 ascribe a mindset to these phenomena, and that again, you 365 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:20.599 know that now there's a military issue, So it must 366 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.920 not be that there's a particular focus there if the 367 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:27.519 intelligence committee a community is not activated about it, if 368 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:30.559 the military is not you know, trying to seek a 369 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:34.200 defensive posture. I mean, really, it could just come down 370 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:37.480 to an air traffic issue where indeed we have a 371 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.839 complex system where you know, planes are meant not to 372 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.440 run into each other and helicopters and stuff, and it's 373 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:49.799 done through a varying set of means and a fairly 374 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:54.359 sophisticated group of systems, with the military and the civilian involved. 375 00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:56.680 And you have to consider if you have something you 376 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:00.920 can't communicate with, you can't direct at all, all that 377 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:04.799 becomes a problem if it's up in the sky, regardless 378 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:06.240 of who put it up there, and that could be 379 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:10.319 drones or you know, these mini vehicles, or civilian air 380 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:13.400 traffic because you know somebody's taking up the hobby of 381 00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:16.759 trying to fly assessment for some reason. All these things 382 00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:20.200 come into play, and you don't want them banging into 383 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:22.839 stuff that we can't communicate with, no matter how well 384 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.240 it moves or whatever, or what it is or where 385 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.559 it came from. I mean, that's what it comes down to. 386 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:32.000 So all right, let's get into progress though, because you 387 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.240 did mention that there's an upcoming conference. 388 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:36.960 Cut I get. I need to get a cavy out 389 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:41.119 on that check. You bring up a good point. All 390 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:45.440 I'm seeing are those things having to do with their safety. 391 00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:50.200 I have no idea what's being reported from our missile bases, 392 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:57.119 our strategic bomber bases, are nuclear sub bases, that's not 393 00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:00.720 even in the equation that doesn't go into this system. 394 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:06.480 All of that would be considered security. You know, I 395 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:08.839 don't know that there's anything going on there. I don't 396 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:12.039 know that there's not anything going on there. It's it's 397 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:16.079 not going into the system in a fashion that I 398 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:20.960 can see it. We know historically that even back in 399 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:24.279 the seventies, there were things that were being reported in 400 00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:27.680 regard to the missile basis that nobody was seen. They 401 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:33.519