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Speaker 1: This is Tom Thompson Casinos the Raptilian from Strange Group Podcast,
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Speaker 7: What is going on everybody out there? What is going
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Speaker 3: Uh? Welcome to Strange Brew Podcast. I'm one of your hosts,
Speaker 3: Tom kat aka Tom Thompson the Raptilian.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: And who else do I have as my co host?
Speaker 2: The trippiest reverend kid. You man.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess I should have I am dressing a
Speaker 7: hippie again, so I should have been like.
Speaker 8: What's going on, long hair, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Near everybuddy?
Speaker 7: And we welcome Shane from Inquiries of Reality. We've worked
Speaker 7: together a little bit before, but you know, we I've
Speaker 7: been on your show, but we always talked about having
Speaker 7: you on Strange your podcast and uh, and we always
Speaker 7: discussed this mushroom episode and how we should definitely do
Speaker 7: something based on psychedelics.
Speaker 3: And welcome Shane. Thanks for having me. Bro looking forward
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 7: I know we're I'm stoked for this, so obviously everybody
Speaker 7: out there, we were talking about mushrooms, magic mushrooms, the
Speaker 7: history of it, the idea of whatever it is, and
Speaker 7: just like the overall having a whole discussion about you know,
Speaker 7: the fun guy that makes everyone a fun guy.
Speaker 3: Definitely makes me a fun guy.
Speaker 7: I'm a big fan of mushrooms. I've recently become more
Speaker 7: of a mushroom head, and you know, I want to
Speaker 7: know about your guys experience before we get into you know,
Speaker 7: all the nitty gritty details of where it came from
Speaker 7: and the understanding of this fungus as a whole, uh
Speaker 7: Psilocybin cubensis. But I want to know you know, Shane,
Speaker 7: you're a you're a new guest, and we have talks
Speaker 7: to obviously do some stuff together. We have ideas coming
Speaker 7: down the pipeline is to create like a little show
Speaker 7: for YouTube. So that's why you always go subscribe to
Speaker 7: the YouTube. But let me hear your what got you
Speaker 7: into mushrooms? So when was the first time you heard
Speaker 7: of magic mushrooms?
Speaker 5: Like, Well, this is a very long story, but I'll
Speaker 5: try to give you the short end version of it
Speaker 5: for now. But essentially I was like just kind of
Speaker 5: big into like psychedelics in general. Like I was just
Speaker 5: found like a fascination with like psychedelic art being a teenager. Yeah,
Speaker 5: just I don't know that whole like weird side of
Speaker 5: things and the whole possibility of there being like another
Speaker 5: world that like lays beyond our world. So I mean
Speaker 5: I did like little stuff here and there in high school,
Speaker 5: but I didn't really get into it heavy until like
Speaker 5: after high school and stuff. But essentially, basically part of
Speaker 5: the story is I started off as an alcoholic and
Speaker 5: I ended up using them to get off of alcohol
Speaker 5: starting with LSD and then expanding into mushrooms itself ended
Speaker 5: up becoming a semi mycologist, growing my own stuff and
Speaker 5: it was just like an expanse from there.
Speaker 7: But you know, I would like to talk to you
Speaker 7: about eventually, even on another show, of how specifically you
Speaker 7: grew mushrooms and you were like techniques and stuff like that,
Speaker 7: because there's different ways you can get like.
Speaker 3: Half started or whatever.
Speaker 7: But I would be interested in doing that because I
Speaker 7: get all mine off of a site that I trusted
Speaker 7: for a long time.
Speaker 3: Right, But uh, you know, and and.
Speaker 7: For the fans, I know you're talking about you're an
Speaker 7: alcohol you were an alcoholic.
Speaker 3: I'm drinking a gin and time a really strong one.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm good now, like honestly, but I mean,
Speaker 3: even how bad when you're saying you're alcoholic? How bad
Speaker 3: was it? I don't need you to get any nitty
Speaker 3: gritty details of like, but like we're like just like
Speaker 3: full blown like couldn't not drink every day kind of thing?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 5: Just like I used to drink at work and the
Speaker 5: end of it was I put myself in the hospital
Speaker 5: from it.
Speaker 3: So that's crazy using any kind of an idea.
Speaker 7: Yeah No, that's yeah fucking and I've always tried to
Speaker 7: I've kept it at Bay, you know, the fans and
Speaker 7: stuff know that, Like I almost died from Fentonoyl and
Speaker 7: she like that, which is crazy not knowing that I
Speaker 7: took it thinking it was coke and stuff like that,
Speaker 7: and it changed my life because it wakes you up
Speaker 7: to be like what the fuck. I've always kept out
Speaker 7: call babe, but there has been definitely dangerous times.
Speaker 3: I've told Anton about some of it. It's like it's
Speaker 3: been where I've you know, a little too much.
Speaker 5: Where as a teenager dude, it's a mental thing for me,
Speaker 5: at least, it was a matter of, like obviously anybody
Speaker 5: it's doing these type of podcasts and researching things, Like
Speaker 5: your brain works a little bit differently than most people,
Speaker 5: so it's a matter of like trying to fit in,
Speaker 5: you know, and like kind of dilute my brain out
Speaker 5: to kind of be like everybody else. So I was
Speaker 5: like drinking for a hot minute, and then I got
Speaker 5: to a point where it was just like all right, bro,
Speaker 5: just embrace your fucking weirdness.
Speaker 3: And then that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: It's likechidelics got into the expanding your mind. Good drugs
Speaker 5: as I like to call them, you know, how.
Speaker 7: To per said, because lately, Mike, I've told Aunt I
Speaker 7: was like, you know what, I'm uh what was the
Speaker 7: uh the Halloween episode or that when we interviewed that
Speaker 7: psychopath where I was like, I'm giving the world full Thomas.
Speaker 7: Enough is enough, Like it's it's as fucking my balls
Speaker 7: are in everybody's faces.
Speaker 2: Now, that's exactly what this world is missing, is full Thomas.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 7: But like it is crazy because like it does and
Speaker 7: we'll get into all the things about mushrooms stuff like that,
Speaker 7: but it is it does shift your addict. Like I
Speaker 7: still vape on the show, you know, I like when
Speaker 7: I'm like having a drink on the show, I vape.
Speaker 7: But I used to vape every day at work, every
Speaker 7: break da da da, And now I started microdosing. I
Speaker 7: don't crave it anymore unless I'm drinking, dude.
Speaker 5: Honestly, That's kind of where I'm that with shit, is
Speaker 5: that after getting into like psychedelics and everything, it just
Speaker 5: opens your mind in a different way where it's like
Speaker 5: if you were somebody that would get addicted to drugs
Speaker 5: just because of the way they function, it like pulls
Speaker 5: you away from that addiction thing because.
Speaker 3: It seems like it cuts it off.
Speaker 7: If you're microdosing, will say even twice a week every week,
Speaker 7: it will cut off the receptors in your brain that
Speaker 7: allow that addictive person. And my mom will fucking vouch
Speaker 7: for this. I have an addicted personality, have my entire
Speaker 7: life right, so it is crazy. I want to Anton
Speaker 7: to get into his stories, but I'll discuss of like
Speaker 7: why what got me into mushrooms? But Anton, you are
Speaker 7: a psycho dot to say the least I would say.
Speaker 2: I mean to to to a certain extent. Yeah, I uh,
Speaker 2: I definitely. I haven't done ayahuasca. I haven't done enough
Speaker 2: DMT to break through. I've only ever knocked at that game.
Speaker 5: To me too, man, every single time I've ever done it, dude,
Speaker 5: it's like you get right fucking there.
Speaker 3: But I haven't made it to the gate yet. I had.
Speaker 2: I had two separate DMT experiences to go off that.
Speaker 2: One of them was at a little festival which we
Speaker 2: actually went to. After the festival we went to got
Speaker 2: called off because the groundwater got polluted and we were
Speaker 2: just sitting on a little handmade doc uh and somebody's
Speaker 2: pond hanging out, and you know, we put a little
Speaker 2: bit of it on a bowl and the best I
Speaker 2: got was the clouds went pixelated for a minute, and
Speaker 2: I was like, okay. And then the other time I
Speaker 2: did it, I smoked it out of a dab rig
Speaker 2: and my friends were over, and I think I had
Speaker 2: enough on that one. But the you know, like Leary said,
Speaker 2: set and setting, I don't think the setting was was right.
Speaker 2: So I took a big old fucking globber and h
Speaker 2: laid back and just felt this overwhelming warmth and love
Speaker 2: and joy and saw essentially the Biblical, like the Neo
Speaker 2: Christian Biblical, having like the gates and the clouds and
Speaker 2: all the bullshit. And I was floating and I was
Speaker 2: just like, this is fucking sweet, this is cool. And
Speaker 2: the first thought I had was like, my friends are
Speaker 2: sitting on my bed right now. I can't die right now.
Speaker 2: I gotta go back.
Speaker 7: And I went back, and I was like, damn it,
Speaker 7: I'll do that on the DM episode and I'll do
Speaker 7: DMT because this is only the last six minutes.
Speaker 2: You're you're not doing d MT and recording anything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, pull back, dude, You're like, yeah, I've gotten
Speaker 5: to the point like right where like I'll hit it
Speaker 5: when I'm standing up and try to see how far
Speaker 5: I can go, and like it's.
Speaker 3: Gotten fucking weird.
Speaker 5: Bro Like the one time I started seeing Oonie and
Speaker 5: my pillow, it was fucking weird.
Speaker 2: Doggie, my buddy.
Speaker 7: I asked my buddy raz about that, and I was like,
Speaker 7: cause he's done DMT and I've actually found a place
Speaker 7: I trust where you can get it a pen and
Speaker 7: it's like seven trips or whatever, it depends how long
Speaker 7: you have seen hail and.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
Speaker 5: The only problem with the pens is that them bitches
Speaker 5: get hot before you can fully blest off, So.
Speaker 3: You have to make sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like, if you want to fully blest off, you
Speaker 5: gotta get the sand. If you're trying to do the carts,
Speaker 5: you're only gonna get halfway there before that feels like
Speaker 5: it's gonna explode in your face.
Speaker 2: That's fine, you got you gotta get those nasty little
Speaker 2: orange crystals and uh like either yeah, do it out
Speaker 2: of the dab break, which is how I did it.
Speaker 2: Just heat it enough to actually vaporize it and then
Speaker 2: take anton.
Speaker 3: Is this a d MT episode predamn quick.
Speaker 5: I mean they're react the same way with your brain,
Speaker 5: so I mean it still kind of fits, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: You said you said psychoonauts. So what little backstory on this?
Speaker 3: Yeah? What when?
Speaker 2: What age? Like?
Speaker 7: What when do you remember like hearing about magic mushrooms?
Speaker 7: What got you into them?
Speaker 8: My dad is a fucking head, So.
Speaker 2: He while going through various severe Christian phases, which always
Speaker 2: made things difficult for me as a kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: But he always was the you know, the kind of
Speaker 2: dude that went fishing with his friends and was always
Speaker 2: like out, you know, doing mushrooms or smoking weed or
Speaker 2: you know, doing coke or fucking getting drunk and shit,
Speaker 2: like it's just he's just a he's ahead.
Speaker 8: He's an old school, you know, metal headhead. And so
Speaker 8: I was always aware of drugs, like always.
Speaker 3: What was the what age did you first ingest mushrooms?
Speaker 2: I first ingested mushrooms, I would honestly say probably twenty really,
Speaker 2: Oh so yeah, I didn't know enough people that had it,
Speaker 2: Like I'd done other psychedelics first, like I did acid
Speaker 2: before that, I did salvia before I did.
Speaker 5: That's easier to get any ways before mushroom. Mushrooms a
Speaker 5: little bit harder to get, you know, such a different
Speaker 5: experience of what I had.
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with venomous animals and poisonous plants as
Speaker 2: a kid, so I was always a little weary where
Speaker 2: I'm like, what happens if I get mushrooms and I
Speaker 2: do them for the first time, and somebody just was like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go make fucking forty bucks real quick and
Speaker 2: gave me a bag of mushrooms they picked from their yard.
Speaker 8: Weird was the paradoid me.
Speaker 2: I didn't know enough people. And then the first time
Speaker 2: I did it, I ate an ate my first A
Speaker 2: three point five, my first one, and I was I
Speaker 2: just had a great time. I sat there with a
Speaker 2: bunch of friends in the middle of the park and
Speaker 2: laughed my ass off. I wasn't kicking in fast enough,
Speaker 2: so we all went and did somersaults down a hill
Speaker 2: fun I got to.
Speaker 8: The bottom of the hill and I was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 8: that's fucking funny. It's like the dizziness hasn't gone away.
Speaker 2: This is awesome. And then you know, it's almost like
Speaker 2: that scene in Danacious Tea or I'm just walking touching
Speaker 2: plants just.
Speaker 3: Like every he that's fucking funny.
Speaker 7: It's such a weird different experience than what I had,
Speaker 7: Like I never heard about like I heard about like
Speaker 7: obviously asked and stuff like that, but no one we
Speaker 7: knew how to. But like my friends did mushrooms when
Speaker 7: they were like fourteen, like fairly you.
Speaker 2: Loved to have done. If I'd have had access to
Speaker 2: mushrooms when i was fourteen and i'd have started microdosing,
Speaker 2: I would probably have actually completed and gone through school
Speaker 2: because I would have had some sort of direction.
Speaker 7: Me too, And that was always but I was always
Speaker 7: afraid of it. So like I we always like we
Speaker 7: smoked tons where we smoked.
Speaker 3: We young.
Speaker 7: I fucking got drunk the first time at like twelve.
Speaker 7: You know, I've had sex young, did everything young. But
Speaker 7: the thing is like with my mind state, and I
Speaker 7: was in a like juvie and shit like that is
Speaker 7: that I was afraid of what I might go through
Speaker 7: and stuff like that. And I saw my friend and
Speaker 7: he like, this is a kid that would we would
Speaker 7: smoke him up and he would be high for like
Speaker 7: four hours, like just off a weed. This kid, I
Speaker 7: don't know, three four hours he would still be stone.
Speaker 7: I'm like, how he's still high man and.
Speaker 5: I in high school, and I used to smoke I'd
Speaker 5: still be a little bit stone the next day.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I am how that work.
Speaker 8: Craze sometimes, Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 3: We used to get just as a stupid story.
Speaker 7: We used to get this kid he's fucking stone, and
Speaker 7: uh we had we all had music class together and
Speaker 7: we for some reason, this teacher was so stupid. He
Speaker 7: gave us a We wrote down, like are the instruments
Speaker 7: that we would want to play, and then everyone kind
Speaker 7: of got to pick one or whatever like that. He
Speaker 7: would draw from a thing and pick what people should
Speaker 7: be playing, and we all put down tuba as our
Speaker 7: number three as a funny thing, and he all gave
Speaker 7: us two. But was a bad idea because we would
Speaker 7: get this kid really stone where he couldn't even look
Speaker 7: at the teacher. You know, music classes set up with
Speaker 7: a bunch of chairs obviously, then you have the teacher
Speaker 7: in the front.
Speaker 3: He would like be like this.
Speaker 7: Like not even want to look at the teacher, and uh,
Speaker 7: my guy content like and he would call him out too.
Speaker 7: It is very funny because then it's just like we
Speaker 7: all had it too. But we kept blasting and he's like,
Speaker 7: stop blasting the instrument because like the fun kid to
Speaker 7: fucking get Stone because he would just laugh at him.
Speaker 7: And he did mushrooms once and he said a thousand
Speaker 7: hands felt like they were touching him, and he was
Speaker 7: like freaking out, had a bad trip. And it made
Speaker 7: me conscious of like what it could do to my
Speaker 7: mind as a kid. And the crazy thing is, if
Speaker 7: I would have done mushrooms earlier, I probably would have
Speaker 7: never went through a lot of the bullshit that I
Speaker 7: went through because I was like addicted to alcohol and
Speaker 7: weed and stuff like that at a very young age
Speaker 7: and it would have changed my life. So I didn't
Speaker 7: really do it untill I was in my early twenties,
Speaker 7: maybe even like twenty four to twenty five, and me
Speaker 7: and Chelsea did it the first time together, and I
Speaker 7: remember laughing like crazy and like shadows because we had
Speaker 7: the lights off and like just lave lamps going stuff
Speaker 7: like a set and setting right, and I just remember shadows.
Speaker 7: I was like we had a clock on the wall
Speaker 7: and the shadow was like moving on the gun. I
Speaker 7: was like, weird, I'm starting to like see shadows. I
Speaker 7: start walking around and I've told ants on the stories
Speaker 7: that we were watching, like we're like, what do we
Speaker 7: throw on? Let's throw on animal documentary And then like
Speaker 7: Chelsea was watching like the fish like eat off the
Speaker 7: whale's body, and I was like, I can't watch this
Speaker 7: right now.
Speaker 3: They're just adding in to mushrooms.
Speaker 5: If you guys watch any of those like animal documentaries,
Speaker 5: they talk about Cord with ants takes mushrooms. That's crazy
Speaker 5: on mushrooms, washing mushrooms like eat all their ship like crazy.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, because cordceeps because it's weird because I take
Speaker 7: Now I'm gonna do a video about this for YouTube
Speaker 7: and stuff like that, but I take that quarterceeps lie
Speaker 7: in Maine lines Maine and turkey tail and turkey tail
Speaker 7: defence against cancer and stuff like that, and like I
Speaker 7: take all these stuff like daily. So I've like dived
Speaker 7: really deep into this fun guy stuff. And I found
Speaker 7: a good trusting place up north called the Ugly Barn
Speaker 7: and they it's you know, it's a little expensive because
Speaker 7: it's like natural and pure, but it's it's helped me.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: Paul Salmon has some good stuff. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you can get it in Canada and stuff, but just
Speaker 5: the funny story. Bro. It's crazy that like with small
Speaker 5: animals it basically is like a parasitic thing, but then
Speaker 5: with people it gives you energy like ye.
Speaker 7: What yeah it is were because people used for working
Speaker 7: out and stuff like that. Yeah, it's crazy because like
Speaker 7: I did, I got into it recently and then when
Speaker 7: we me and Chelsea did it like you know, four
Speaker 7: four times maybe at the old place we're living at,
Speaker 7: and I'm just like, I was getting off this kid
Speaker 7: and I like, I don't care, I'll say you about
Speaker 7: this kid.
Speaker 3: But he was he was this guy I worked with.
Speaker 7: He was gay and him and his partner were furries,
Speaker 7: which is an interesting thing. Uh so he he he
Speaker 7: actually as weird as it is. Everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 7: This kid got me into Alan Watts and I love
Speaker 7: Alan Watts. And he would tell me he was like
Speaker 7: oh yeah me and fucking uh he called him his
Speaker 7: husband and they were even married though, and they would
Speaker 7: do acid and dress up like furries and fuck. And
Speaker 7: I was like, dude, what animals were they?
Speaker 3: I gotta know.
Speaker 2: Wolves for some reason. Three?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it like dog they did the dog fetiship too?
Speaker 2: Okay? Were they were they pups? Because it's a whole
Speaker 2: different thing. Were they leather mask puffs all? Both both
Speaker 2: both okay, and they get that.
Speaker 7: He showed me the costumes and he went to like
Speaker 7: the furry cor like he was showing me and my
Speaker 7: buddy Joe when we worked together, and he had the
Speaker 7: full on costume, and I feel like it was like
Speaker 7: just looking at natural, like it not natural, but like
Speaker 7: it looked like just the normal, like brown fur and
Speaker 7: fucking white belly, and like Anteon's. I was like, don't
Speaker 7: kink shame, it's fucking straight.
Speaker 2: Anyone's young adults.
Speaker 5: I don't care what he's so straight pople combine those
Speaker 5: two the pup and the and the furry thing where
Speaker 5: they'll dress up as a furrey but then add the
Speaker 5: puff stuff to the a yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2: I've seen I've seen people win full body for costumes
Speaker 2: with a leather pop mask, and I'm just like, good
Speaker 2: for you, good for you.
Speaker 3: It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 7: The fact that they were like he told me, they
Speaker 7: would like, do mushrooms are especially acid and they would
Speaker 7: like like like he was just way too open with
Speaker 7: me sometimes where I was like, oh cool, like I
Speaker 7: just want to get mushrooms off.
Speaker 8: You have either of you ever had sex on acid?
Speaker 3: No, I haven't done us.
Speaker 5: I thought I broke my dick, no joke, and my
Speaker 5: girlfriend is playing into it. She's like, I think your
Speaker 5: dick is sideways.
Speaker 3: That's what Chelsea would do. That's what girl.
Speaker 5: There's one of those like you pull back too far
Speaker 5: and then you hit the middle thing.
Speaker 3: That's why I broke it.
Speaker 7: It's it's done now because that this year, I wanted,
Speaker 7: like I've told Ante that we want to get away
Speaker 7: to a cabin and do it together and experience it
Speaker 7: because it's it wasn't as really available as mushrooms were.
Speaker 7: I knew tons of dudes that were doing mushrooms all
Speaker 7: the time, and I was in especially like I knew,
Speaker 7: you know, I was sixteen, seventeen dudes that are doing mushrooms,
Speaker 7: and they this is when I start getting balls deep
Speaker 7: in the reptilian conspiracies and listen to David Ike and
Speaker 7: all stuff, and I was like, I was legitimately afraid
Speaker 7: if I did mushrooms that I would see reptiles.
Speaker 3: That was one of the mushrooms.
Speaker 2: When you were a teenager and you were still completely
Speaker 2: hormonal and unbalanced, you'd be like a joel Ostine Christian
Speaker 2: right now, and we would not be speaking to each other.
Speaker 7: I don't know about that. I don't know if i'd
Speaker 7: go down. I've never been into religion ever.
Speaker 2: Ever, it could go the other way though, man, Like
Speaker 2: I knew a bunch of people like in high school
Speaker 2: that started out as like, you know, I wouldn't say
Speaker 2: they were proper weirdos, because we were the proper weirdos,
Speaker 2: but like they were, they tiptoed into the weirdo circle
Speaker 2: and then they started doing like I remember, like it
Speaker 2: started with them robo tripping, which is fine if you
Speaker 2: just just trend, it's fine. Uh de extra morphine?
Speaker 3: What the fuck is that shit?
Speaker 8: You eat entire fucking jar of robotos and capsules?
Speaker 3: Oh that sounds not like a fun What's the one
Speaker 3: where you do the fucking a bunch of benadryl all
Speaker 3: at once and you feel all heavy and.
Speaker 2: Shadow Okay, so I've never I've never gone down the
Speaker 2: bend drill thing.
Speaker 8: That's one where they're like the spiders.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I've had benadryll for allergies before and then
Speaker 2: fought through the tired and it's a fucking trip.
Speaker 5: But dude, I remember that it took a whole fucking
Speaker 5: bottle and I remember being faced out of my floor
Speaker 5: in the dark at night and I literally thought that
Speaker 5: the shadows were trying to get me. It was fucking
Speaker 5: the one of the worst experiences, bro.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: I was out with alcohol extra Morphis in the day
Speaker 2: because it was the easiest thing for all of us
Speaker 2: to get and we would just do it in like
Speaker 2: you know, eight or nine people groups and uh, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: you have some of the craziest most like I had
Speaker 2: a time travel one with that.
Speaker 8: I went to hell with that one.
Speaker 7: That's so weird. That's another top friend. It's so crazy,
Speaker 7: Like I had. I knew this fucking kid, he like
Speaker 7: love Neirvana. It looked like a fucking it looks like
Speaker 7: I do now I'm just weird. Weird thing is he's
Speaker 7: dead now and I drugs took his life in recently
Speaker 7: and I grew up with this schedic. Yeah it's sad,
Speaker 7: but he was like, I remember the one time we're
Speaker 7: hanging out my house no one was home. During high
Speaker 7: school he was he was actually dating this chick that
Speaker 7: dated me first and say it was kind of a
Speaker 7: weird situation because I knewer and he's like going through
Speaker 7: my mom's pills and like looking through like this is
Speaker 7: lithium minute, and I'm like, oh man, fucking I was
Speaker 7: into that. I was never into that shit, never into pills.
Speaker 7: I like drank and smoke wheed. That was my fucking
Speaker 7: jam for a long time.
Speaker 2: I never fucked up pills either, for the longest time,
Speaker 2: just because like I was always on a ton of
Speaker 2: fucking pills as a kid, and it was the last
Speaker 2: thing in the world that I wanted to do.
Speaker 7: You're gonna take soul off? Oh could go on concerto?
Speaker 7: Oh going, And I was like, I'm not taking any
Speaker 7: of that shit. Fuck you my uh, I'll get drunk.
Speaker 2: My my egg donor uh just decided that that was
Speaker 2: the best way to get me put on disability and
Speaker 2: get money for her. So that's why I was like, Oh, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: let's just you know.
Speaker 8: But that's a story for a different fucking for.
Speaker 2: But when I started smoking weed, I was like twelve
Speaker 2: the first time I smoked weed, yes, And then like
Speaker 2: I was like sixteen when I started consistently smoking every day,
Speaker 2: and it was it just changed everything, Like I didn't
Speaker 2: need anything or any assistance from any of the ship
Speaker 2: that they had me on, not that I needed it
Speaker 2: in the first place, but you know, when you're a young,
Speaker 2: impressionable kid, they're like, yeah, this works.
Speaker 5: You're like, okay, dude. Literally same both for me and
Speaker 5: I started smoking. I was like thirteen. Then I was sixteen.
Speaker 5: I had like anger issues and ship and so my
Speaker 5: mom was like forcing me to go to therapy, but
Speaker 5: I didn't talk to the dude. And then I started
Speaker 5: smoking weed heavy and I started coming in just like
Speaker 5: totally relaxed, and he's like, whatever you're doing, it's working
Speaker 5: for you.
Speaker 3: So that's so funny all of us.
Speaker 2: And this is this is I have no opens a window, like.
Speaker 7: This is why you subscribe to the Patreon because I
Speaker 7: said that I want Shane on for a Stranger Danger
Speaker 7: episode where we can get to know each other a
Speaker 7: little more and kind of like it's all on censorship
Speaker 7: because like I grew up going to therapy and never
Speaker 7: fucking it never worked to me.
Speaker 3: I've to be honest, I've had more great medication, not
Speaker 3: so much. I've had more revelations. Mushrooms are my therapy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, I've had more revelations and more with mushrooms.
Speaker 7: Mushrooms have fixed my head in the past year more
Speaker 7: than any therapist has ever done for me.
Speaker 3: Ever, so same with mushrooms, weed and LSD, hands down. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So let's get in.
Speaker 7: Let's actually just get into this stuff because we can
Speaker 7: talk about like stories and stuff throughout this kind of thing.
Speaker 7: So magic mushrooms, once the term used to strike fear
Speaker 7: into the hearts of most people in Western culture, are
Speaker 7: now witnessing something of a comeback, and people are realizing
Speaker 7: that not only are they maybe perhaps not bad, but
Speaker 7: they might even be pretty amazing. We're going to take
Speaker 7: you on a brief journey into the world of magic
Speaker 7: mushrooms and our long relationship with them, which is pretty
Speaker 7: interesting because obviously this goes way back in the day
Speaker 7: and just like a psychedelic trip it creates, it creates.
Speaker 7: The history of psilocybin has been long and wind and
Speaker 7: winding journey, just the same as you would feel on
Speaker 7: a mushrooms.
Speaker 3: It's a long journey. It's crazy, man, Like, how far
Speaker 3: this shit does go back in our history is mind blowing.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if we're going to the Terrence McKenna level,
Speaker 2: I mean it goes back to prehistory, which still the
Speaker 2: reason that we are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get into the story down the road. I
Speaker 3: wanted to. Chelsea just walked down the stairs and she's like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck.
Speaker 2: Uh, oh my god, Chelsea comes, snatch that fucking wig off.
Speaker 3: Of We'll get into the stone a theory because that's
Speaker 3: like a big thing, which even in our plans for
Speaker 3: actually the Christmas special this year will be all about
Speaker 3: how the magic mushroom is connected, uh to Santa Claus
Speaker 3: and ship like that, So that will be fun. Oh
Speaker 3: you mean the mushroom shaman.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's just some fucking deep shit with that. So
Speaker 7: from it's used some religious rituals and ancient cultures and
Speaker 7: civilizations to its rise to stardom and the counterculture movement
Speaker 7: obviously in the sixties, from the breakthrough breakthrough scientific research
Speaker 7: to the dark ages of magic mushrooms. The history of
Speaker 7: psilocybin in many ways mirrors the human history through though
Speaker 7: you may not learn about it at school. Human history
Speaker 7: is full of the drug use.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's why I like the whole you know,
Speaker 2: all the culture is still tess with intoxicants and sex.
Speaker 2: It's like that's.
Speaker 5: Literally human existence. It's literally talking about Go back to
Speaker 5: the Greeks. Bro they had that was at a Yearly festival.
Speaker 5: They'd all basically take like magic wine and they all
Speaker 5: just like have an orgy with each other, and Yearly gave.
Speaker 7: Little boys a second off because that's what fucking Romans did,
Speaker 7: and then.
Speaker 3: They're definitely doing that.
Speaker 2: Just want to picture. I just want to picture, like,
Speaker 2: you know, normal aged people, a bunch of you know,
Speaker 2: oiled up Greek dudes sucking each other, not kids.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 7: I can't help because now that I've I've always bring
Speaker 7: it up, but I dived into the kids because the
Speaker 7: Roman thing in Saturn Alien Ship, all that stuff is
Speaker 7: like fucking deep.
Speaker 8: Well, Saturn Alias because that ended up in human sacrifice.
Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of stuff does well. We'll get to
Speaker 7: and we'll get into the assec things. But I just
Speaker 7: want to say it right now because I didn't know this.
Speaker 7: We're gonna get in the assexs soon. But did you
Speaker 7: guys know that the Aztecs would give fucking mushrooms to
Speaker 7: people that they were going to sacrifice?
Speaker 8: I hope that today And that's that's pretty nute.
Speaker 3: No fucking frightening that beagle give the guys that ripped
Speaker 3: dot in his heart.
Speaker 7: I actually was watching a YouTube video about it, which
Speaker 7: I did look it up, and there is because they
Speaker 7: would do rituals and ceremonies ingesting mushrooms, and they would
Speaker 7: also like do it to towards their gods, right, they
Speaker 7: would sacrifice someone for the gods, and and we'll get
Speaker 7: into like the gods of the flesh of the gods
Speaker 7: is what they call the mushroom. But I never knew
Speaker 7: that they would and I could see him doing it anyways,
Speaker 7: right because it was part of the ritual you have
Speaker 7: to ingest also some sort of like also this component
Speaker 7: of it would I'm sure it like went into the rituals.
Speaker 3: But the fact that you'd be tripping balls, who knows.
Speaker 7: How much they gave you and then this guy's like
Speaker 7: staying over you with a knife and back, got it?
Speaker 3: Call it whatever the fuck they say in Indiana Jones.
Speaker 5: Dude, in all fairness, though, if you were going to
Speaker 5: be sacrificed, like, I don't think there's any other way
Speaker 5: to do it, like fucking load me up with as
Speaker 5: many fucking drugs as possible.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get into that experience.
Speaker 5: Otherwise you're gonna be sitting there at that last second
Speaker 5: like all right, wait wait, I changed my mind.
Speaker 3: I don't want to do this, so here's here.
Speaker 8: Yeah he was here was my thing with that.
Speaker 2: I feel like that could work either way. Say you're
Speaker 2: like a rival tribe that's being sacrificed because you're you know,
Speaker 2: you've been conquered or what have you.
Speaker 8: And they give you that, you could probably you probably
Speaker 8: freak out.
Speaker 2: But if you're one of those people that they're like,
Speaker 2: you are the chosen sacrifice for the gods, you're going
Speaker 2: to be with that. Yeah, yeah, and they load you
Speaker 2: to the gills on strong hallucinogizing you very well maybe
Speaker 2: in whatever after life already by the time they're cutting
Speaker 2: into you.
Speaker 3: And you don't really have fear in some extent to.
Speaker 2: Although the thought of getting stabbed while tripping is the
Speaker 2: most horrific thing though.
Speaker 3: I couldn't imagine what that was.
Speaker 2: Somebody just coming towards you with it and you're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, just like you know Aaron said that too,
Speaker 2: where it's like, would you rather be shot like a
Speaker 2: shot of stab shot?
Speaker 3: One hundred percent?
Speaker 7: I wouldn't now want to get the feeling of like
Speaker 7: just getting like you know, you're Linda Casse being it
Speaker 7: and just like getting stabbed fucking forty times, like fucking no,
Speaker 7: so crazy.
Speaker 5: Let's depends you're.
Speaker 3: Getting sabbed the first time in all fairness though, and
Speaker 3: be like Stu, like, man, you're coming too deep. It's
Speaker 3: like that's the point I was trying to cut you
Speaker 3: too deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm getting stabbed in the jugular where I'm barely
Speaker 2: feeling it versus getting shot in the kneecap or the gut. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they'll take the stabbing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's what I'm saying. From ancients using opium
Speaker 3: to Hitler taking math, there's no shortage of priest, emperor's, tyrants,
Speaker 3: and normal folk indulging in mind altering substances. The drug
Speaker 3: with perhaps the longest recorded history of in human use
Speaker 3: is psilocybin, and psychoactive compound that's in magic mushrooms, so
Speaker 3: people that don't know when you it's the The second
Speaker 3: compound in mushrooms is psilocybin or psilocybincn. Cubensis.
Speaker 7: And then when you ingest it, it turns into silicon,
Speaker 7: which it could reacts in your gut and and then
Speaker 7: it goes into your nervous system essentially, and that's why
Speaker 7: like it's weird because the way it affects you is
Speaker 7: is interesting because the way it goes in your nervous system,
Speaker 7: Like there's sometimes are like I'm cauld I do them
Speaker 7: all the time. I'm like, I feel like it's eve
Speaker 7: when my hair feels weird, like on my skin, like
Speaker 7: it's it's it's a weird feeling where my hair feels
Speaker 7: like I can feel it grown wing.
Speaker 5: Twitch sometimes or you like feel like like a twitch
Speaker 5: and you like your arm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's.
Speaker 7: Weird if I my curple because I have carple title
Speaker 7: if it's bad, one day it will like show me
Speaker 7: like why I took and I'll get into maybe in
Speaker 7: the end of this way. I've tried Blue Meanies. I've
Speaker 7: thrasher in the fridge and Golden Teacher. Blue Meanies are
Speaker 7: fairly strong thrashers through like really strong and uh it
Speaker 7: was like I did a t of seven grams of it,
Speaker 7: the highest dose of ticket as a tea, not ingesting
Speaker 7: it like through uh eating it. But the one time
Speaker 7: we did Blue Meanies, like it fucking my wrist, I
Speaker 7: was like, oh, I can feel I could feel it inside,
Speaker 7: Like my carpal title is fucking weird.
Speaker 5: I feel like, will you mhmm. The blue Meanies, they're
Speaker 5: the obi ones.
Speaker 3: What do you mean? Ob One's Obie.
Speaker 5: So just a little bit of a backstory about blue meanies.
Speaker 5: In the nineties, there's this guy that was coming up
Speaker 5: with genetics and his name is jet Fuel, and he
Speaker 5: came up with the ob one Blue Meanies. So that's
Speaker 5: like the the original o G Blue Meanies. And then
Speaker 5: there's side variations that people have created. I just one, yeah,
Speaker 5: and those are blue. Those are just called blue meanings.
Speaker 5: But if they're the ob one blue means and they're
Speaker 5: from the original genetics of the original stuel, that's cool.
Speaker 7: And I was just talking like what, as far as
Speaker 7: I know, white widow and the weed strain doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 3: It's been so.
Speaker 5: New that as being weed laced with coke, And then
Speaker 5: all of a sudden people just started calling strains that.
Speaker 7: No white white widow was like, I grew up smoking
Speaker 7: white window on AK and stuff like that. Right, that
Speaker 7: was like AK forty seven, these like main strains, right,
Speaker 7: And I was talking to a chick at the dispensary.
Speaker 7: I was like, did you guys ever get white widow?
Speaker 7: And she's like, because they have like black widow. I
Speaker 7: was like, oh, that's interesting, and she's like, white widow
Speaker 7: as far as she's looked into, has been lost in
Speaker 7: crosby a wit widow in.
Speaker 2: Colorado all the time. Like when the dispensaries first opened
Speaker 2: up out there, they always had ak, they always had
Speaker 2: train wreck, they always had white widow, they always had
Speaker 2: Northern I was always like the big main strains.
Speaker 5: Coming from somebody that works in the cannabis industry, Dude,
Speaker 5: every single strain isn't what you think it is like
Speaker 5: coming from the inside.
Speaker 3: Like if they don't, if.
Speaker 5: They just they just called it whatever the fuck they want,
Speaker 5: know where they come from. There's no such thing as
Speaker 5: a sativa or an India anymore. Everything is just so
Speaker 5: interest that everything's a hybrid now, Like the industry from
Speaker 5: the inside is totally different than what people see on
Speaker 5: the outs.
Speaker 7: As a full episode for Strange Brew, I think that'd
Speaker 7: be a great easily, Dude, come from the inside of marijuana.
Speaker 3: That's fucking kiss fan.
Speaker 5: You're just sitting there and have a bunch of weed
Speaker 5: in the vault and then they'll just start calling you random
Speaker 5: ass names and they saw.
Speaker 3: That's fucking sad.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's different from Express, where
Speaker 2: he's just walking around being like this is this, this
Speaker 2: is this.
Speaker 5: Literally that, and they call everything. They put the word
Speaker 5: jungle in it where I work, and I'm just like, no,
Speaker 5: don't do that. You have the word jungle in it
Speaker 5: just sounds like some trash weed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like Nipper but the bull that everybody poured
Speaker 2: their booze into.
Speaker 8: And You're like, I.
Speaker 3: Would like to do I don't know how can it is?
Speaker 7: And as much as like I love the dispenser, I
Speaker 7: go to one specific one that all the people are
Speaker 7: like the greatest people ever, like the one chick there.
Speaker 5: Well, the company that owns my company now is a
Speaker 5: Canadian company. It's called Terra Sentence, so I'm sure it's
Speaker 5: all the same work. And the company that I work
Speaker 5: for is called Gauge, which was originally a Canadian company
Speaker 5: and then it came to Michigan.
Speaker 3: You know what I do now? Yeah, I just smoke,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Like, I find what I like, right, wedding cake I
Speaker 7: just got recently, I find what I like, and then
Speaker 7: I'm like, ah, more of that. These mango like fucking
Speaker 7: small joints are fucking delicious. Anyways, that's it for the
Speaker 7: weed episode. But like, obviously this drug has been in
Speaker 7: our history and you know, in our like it's crazy,
Speaker 7: like it's so it's a surrounded humanity for since our beginning.
Speaker 7: Magic mushrooms is a broad name given to any mushrooms,
Speaker 7: uh in the psilosibe genome and the like the genetics
Speaker 7: of what creates and like this mushroom, and there's tons
Speaker 7: of them.
Speaker 3: Obviously this is just a fucking there's so.
Speaker 7: Many different There's there's over two hundred uh known species
Speaker 7: of psilocybin q benss, which is fucking crazy, two hundred.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, just like, do you need to
Speaker 3: keep buying?
Speaker 2: Did she like?
Speaker 7: You find one you like and you stick with that?
Speaker 7: And I'm like, no, I want to keep experimenting. And
Speaker 7: then I've never tried penis envy and they're supposed to
Speaker 7: be one of the strongest mushrooms.
Speaker 3: Have you had ape before?
Speaker 5: No, So i I'll go through what I've had. I'll
Speaker 5: say that's albino penis envy. But everybody knows it as ape.
Speaker 5: So before I.
Speaker 7: Start with B plus like normal, like I didn't mind
Speaker 7: B plus. Then I tried Blue Meanies and those were
Speaker 7: like far more potent. Uh and uh because I put
Speaker 7: it on that psychedelic page because I did Blue Meanies
Speaker 7: that was and Blue Meanis were strong and I like
Speaker 7: them because the best visuals I've ever had was chewing
Speaker 7: Blue Meanies where me and Chelsea were I've told that.
Speaker 3: I teld about the story.
Speaker 7: We were listening to, like we had music on and
Speaker 7: then we fucking were listening to Lance Moore set and
Speaker 7: we're like he looks she looks just like the dude
Speaker 7: from Food Fighters, like just like him, and we're like
Speaker 7: it was weird and we're sitting there and then like
Speaker 7: I laid back and I was like, it's crazy this
Speaker 7: ship you could see because I could see geometric patterns,
Speaker 7: like like I'm saying, like three D shit, And I
Speaker 7: always describe it as you know when Harry Potter when
Speaker 7: he puts on the cloak and you can kind of
Speaker 7: see him, you know what I mean. Yeah, and like
Speaker 7: and it was in front.
Speaker 3: Of my face.
Speaker 7: All this stuff was like moving around and it's like
Speaker 7: it's an incredible experience. And I tried blue Banshees. Those
Speaker 7: were pretty fucking nice. Mesotepic those are my mesotepic tech.
Speaker 7: They're the ones that Mary Marina Sambini, the chick from Mexico,
Speaker 7: she does rituals with them. Yeah, I like them because
Speaker 7: they are like, to me, lighter. Where on haul it
Speaker 7: was like two days for Halloween or whatever. I did
Speaker 7: like three grams and I carved my pumpkin trip and
Speaker 7: balls and I was like, but I could. It's not that,
Speaker 7: you know, the heavy feeling you get in your brain
Speaker 7: like that, It doesn't do that.
Speaker 5: You know, you can't focus on stuff. You're kind of
Speaker 5: just like one track mine on something.
Speaker 7: And your brain is like, you don't feeling in your
Speaker 7: brain the heaviness. I can't even describe the fuzziness that
Speaker 7: is my buddy describes it. And I didn't have that,
Speaker 7: But you can still, like you can. I could go
Speaker 7: out and do things on this strain. That's why I
Speaker 7: like that strain. And I'm gonna go towards it more often.
Speaker 7: And then uh, and then I got uh my Golden Teacher.
Speaker 7: I don't like I've tried Golden Hillbilly or Hillbilly gold
Speaker 7: didn't like liked it. It's a good it's fine. But
Speaker 7: I told Anton that I've noticed that the Golden Teacher,
Speaker 7: the stuff with gold in it.
Speaker 5: Uh, It's that's like the most generic strain I could
Speaker 5: possibly think of.
Speaker 3: That's like the gorilla glue number four of mushrooms.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it makes you feel I don't like it. Like
Speaker 7: it makes me feel tired. Every time I've done Golden Teacher,
Speaker 7: I feel like tired and depressed at first. Then it
Speaker 7: kicks in, but the beginning of it sucks.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's called Golden Teachers. They're trying to teach you
Speaker 5: some shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't want to be learning right now.
Speaker 3: I want to be tripping.
Speaker 7: But and then so I still have my fridge and
Speaker 7: I'm like, yeah, maybe I'll do them sometime or whatever.
Speaker 7: Blue b and she the the thinnest stems I've ever
Speaker 7: seen out of a mushroom. And it's it's a strain
Speaker 7: between blue meanies obviously, and there's another one, and I
Speaker 7: like them. They're pretty potent because the thicker the stems
Speaker 7: supposedly the more stilocybin it holds. And uh, they were
Speaker 7: really thin where you're able to just eat them.
Speaker 3: And then I got the.
Speaker 8: Thrasher chewing on a fucking chunky n oh.
Speaker 3: Man, if I'm not gonna do this because they'll probably
Speaker 3: get pulled from if we put this up on YouTube
Speaker 3: or whatever, right, but the thrasher ones I have are
Speaker 3: have the thickest stems. I think I showed an antel
Speaker 3: like a video. It's so thick it's ridiculous.
Speaker 7: And they're supposed to be some of the most potent
Speaker 7: next to like the penis semi ones that I'm gonna
Speaker 7: try next.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is throw those bitches in an electric grinder.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know I.
Speaker 5: Usually makes those I was gonna say, I usually make
Speaker 5: shrem tach tea.
Speaker 3: That's usually my way of going yeah, yeah, I do
Speaker 3: that too. And then then and that's why I want.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna do a video for YouTube about this of
Speaker 7: how to make the Beginner's Guide, because I've had people
Speaker 7: ask me to talk about it just because my experience.
Speaker 7: But there's there's so many strains and I'm like, I
Speaker 7: will go through this journey for as long as I
Speaker 7: live if I'm able to access them and try different strains.
Speaker 7: But obviously, like when I have a kid and stuff
Speaker 7: like that, Like, I'll be more wary of doing.
Speaker 3: This on an off time. You do it at night.
Speaker 3: That's usually my go to, just to throw in something
Speaker 3: I'm off tomorrow.
Speaker 5: Have you ever heard of enigma? No, it's a strain
Speaker 5: of mushrooms.
Speaker 3: Oh really, not Jim Carrey. So let me explain these things.
Speaker 3: They're fucking weird, dude.
Speaker 5: They grow like coral, Like they look like a brain,
Speaker 5: and they're really really hard to grow. Like there's a
Speaker 5: trick to them that you know, is one of those
Speaker 5: like trade secrets. I don't want to give it out
Speaker 5: because there's like Facebook pages dedicated to how to grow
Speaker 5: these damn things.
Speaker 3: But you need to talk to me on a Patreon
Speaker 3: so I want to know. Yeah, I'll tell you after
Speaker 3: the show for sure.
Speaker 5: But pretty much like they're they're a mutation of ape,
Speaker 5: which is all bino penis NDI, but it's like a
Speaker 5: stronger mutation and it grows like thick ass coral. Dude.
Speaker 5: That's probably one of the best mushrooms I've ever had.
Speaker 5: The really, but they hit you like they're mentally light,
Speaker 5: but they hit you heavy at the same time, like
Speaker 5: they're really heavy on the visuals like the really the.
Speaker 7: Trime as a tech ones that like you should I
Speaker 7: think you would like those ones. It's interesting because I'm
Speaker 7: just diving down these different like strains and stuff like
Speaker 7: that and what it makes me feel. And like my
Speaker 7: buddy that I grew up with and stuff like that,
Speaker 7: he was getting into him for a while and changed
Speaker 7: his life as much as he's changed mind. And uh,
Speaker 7: I want to start going forward, especially before where you like,
Speaker 7: I'm getting married next year. I want to have like
Speaker 7: we're thinking about having kids and all this stuff. I
Speaker 7: want to start like categorizing it. Like I've said to Anton,
Speaker 7: We're like like even if it's for five, man's either
Speaker 7: writing it down or videotape myself and be like, hey,
Speaker 7: this is how I'm feeling right now. That and like
Speaker 7: so people understand what strain they might want to go with,
Speaker 7: because I think it's important to like learn about this stuff.
Speaker 7: And I was joking as like if I could work
Speaker 7: at a shrewmery, I would one hundred percent do that.
Speaker 3: I'd run one.
Speaker 5: You gotta do it at the start and then at
Speaker 5: the peak. So then at the start, Yeah, like I'm
Speaker 5: feeling good, I'm feeling light at the peak. You know,
Speaker 5: you'll be having like your primal makeup on no Shitting'll
Speaker 5: be like, yeah, you.
Speaker 7: Know, my joke is obviously I get back into the history.
Speaker 7: But my joke is always uh that, uh, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: end up like I'm gonna go in the forest. I'm
Speaker 7: gonna be Rob Williams and Jumanji just talking like freaking out, dude.
Speaker 5: That's always my biggest fear of doing mushrooms in the
Speaker 5: woods is just I'll just disappear into the woods and
Speaker 5: I'll just you'll find me like three weeks later, you know,
Speaker 5: wearing like a giant leaf loin cloth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like talking a primitive language.
Speaker 7: Do a live special and just talk about mushrooms overall
Speaker 7: and our experiences because, like Anton knows, during the summer,
Speaker 7: we have a projector outside in these comfortable like chairs
Speaker 7: that we put cushions on, and I was doing mushrooms
Speaker 7: every every weekend, and we're watching movies like I watched
Speaker 7: The Village High as Fuck, like on four grams of mushrooms,
Speaker 7: where everything around the movie was.
Speaker 3: Like a no no, and then I was like at
Speaker 3: the end of it, I was like, oh shit, I
Speaker 3: realize because I haven't seen so I was thirteen. My
Speaker 3: buddy fell asleep in the movie theater when we saw it,
Speaker 3: and like, I.
Speaker 2: Was like for him and I, okay, it is whatever.
Speaker 7: I like n Night Shambalan to an extent he's doing
Speaker 7: it was different.
Speaker 5: It was like a one time watch movie. Once the
Speaker 5: twist is ruined, it's over, but it's worth watching one I.
Speaker 8: Forgot about like that one just.
Speaker 2: Has the biggest plot hole out of everything. I was like,
Speaker 2: you mean to tell me not one fucking plane flew
Speaker 2: over that village.
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, I don't even think about that.
Speaker 5: Nobody was like, I'm just gonna venture and create my
Speaker 5: own area lit the days. Like at the end I
Speaker 5: started realizing.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh yeah, the big twist and I
Speaker 7: was like, oh, trip it out, Okay. It made me
Speaker 7: twist when I watched The Witch on Mushrooms, which tripped
Speaker 7: me out crazy. That ship was fucking nuts man. That
Speaker 7: movie starts talking to the man, and then was like,
Speaker 7: I don't think it's as crazy as you think it is.
Speaker 7: And I'd gotten this thought about all the times I've
Speaker 7: used weiji boards and mess with the occult and how
Speaker 7: long Witchcraft and that demonic force stays with inside of
Speaker 7: our history.
Speaker 3: It was like a crazy trip.
Speaker 8: I was like, you get scared and end up Christian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see it.
Speaker 7: And then but every time I took a piss and
Speaker 7: I could see like looking out to we have a
Speaker 7: big back here and looking out to the back of
Speaker 7: it is like fucking crazy. Let's get back into it
Speaker 7: because I want to do a whole live and we'll discuss, uh.
Speaker 2: Just one thing on movies, on mushrooms. So I've told
Speaker 2: this story before, but Shane, I don't know ever told
Speaker 2: you this story. So my buddy and I got I
Speaker 2: don't know what the strain was. It was just at
Speaker 2: the time where it was like, oh, let's just fucking
Speaker 2: you know, get some rooms. We got some good rooms,
Speaker 2: like okay, cool, and we both ate like about four
Speaker 2: grams each And the whole time I was like, let's
Speaker 2: go camping, let's go you know, let's just take a weekend,
Speaker 2: go do whatever. Because for me, when I'm tripping, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say I have to be, but I
Speaker 2: greatly prefer to be either near running water or anywhere
Speaker 2: that I can just take my shoes off fact the
Speaker 2: mud and just chill.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 8: That's how I ground myself when I'm tripping.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like if you're tripping balls on mushrooms, bro, like,
Speaker 5: you gotta have outside time, even if you pop out
Speaker 5: for like five minutes every hour like joint.
Speaker 2: Or so, I need to like just go, like not
Speaker 2: primal to the ongo bungo like fucking level, but like
Speaker 2: just like I'm gonna go, you know, walk around with
Speaker 2: my toes thoroughly in the mud and just sit near
Speaker 2: a tree and just soak it in.
Speaker 8: Like and the one time when we dropped acid, I
Speaker 8: sat in a creek.
Speaker 2: For an hour just it was just running and there
Speaker 2: was a little fuzzy rock that I went and just
Speaker 2: laid on and looked up and the canopy of trees
Speaker 2: had a perfect triangle and the sunlight just that was great.
Speaker 2: But anyways, that's neither here nor there. My buddy's like, no,
Speaker 2: let's watch Meet the Feebles. Oh God, I love Peter Jackson.
Speaker 8: I've a dead alive tattoo. I absolutely love Peter Jackson.
Speaker 2: I've only seen Meet the Feebles once before and I
Speaker 2: didn't remember it. And let me tell you, obviously, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you know because you laugh when you heard it.
Speaker 8: But for anyone who doesn't know that, I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: Pretty fucked up and pretty great when you're you know,
Speaker 2: drunk or stone. But on Mushrooms, all of the character
Speaker 2: stories individually are so human and fucked up that that's
Speaker 2: all I could focus on. And by the end of
Speaker 2: the movie, I turned and he's just got his hoodie
Speaker 2: scrunched up around his face and he goes, we should
Speaker 2: have gone camp and I'm.
Speaker 8: Sorry, I'm so sorry, and I was like, you fucking
Speaker 8: did this.
Speaker 2: This is our night.
Speaker 8: Now we're all just sitting here like, well, I'm depressed.
Speaker 7: And Anton wants to do a Patreon episode and I
Speaker 7: was like, I'll do mushrooms and watch it. He's like, no,
Speaker 7: let's just drink and watch it, because I've never like.
Speaker 2: You will absolutely not take mushrooms and watch Meet the Feebles.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of movies that you watch sober and
Speaker 5: you're like, this would be great to watch on mushrooms,
Speaker 5: then you instantly regret it.
Speaker 3: Dark O Riztil is also one of those movies.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, dark Crystal sure is saying with puppets and shit, man,
Speaker 7: I've watched some dark shit, like I watched I watched
Speaker 7: it follows on like two grams of mushrooms. That shit
Speaker 7: was fucking crazy horrores that.
Speaker 5: Place his films just just a little fun part. Everybody
Speaker 5: knows my fucking weird win to go shadow people story.
Speaker 5: The part in that movie where they're sitting in abandoned
Speaker 5: lot behind a building that's Northfield. That's the place that
Speaker 5: I'm always telling everybody about film that shit in Michigan.
Speaker 7: That's crazy because we can always do a revisit to
Speaker 7: the wedding wi you've covered it. But like, that's what
Speaker 7: I'm saying about that live that we want to do
Speaker 7: about talk about cryptids as a whole, even, like just
Speaker 7: getting into all sorts of different cryptids would be really
Speaker 7: fun because like me and Billy covered the Michigan dog
Speaker 7: Man and Billy loved that.
Speaker 3: Sure, He's like, what the fun.
Speaker 7: So let's get back into this. So obviously there's all
Speaker 7: these different strains of mushrooms. You know, they all contain psilocybin.
Speaker 7: Do the number of species and the diversity of those species.
Speaker 7: Magic mushrooms can be found in many places of the world.
Speaker 7: There's like tons in Canada, tons in Europe and stuff
Speaker 7: like that. Like it's it's surprising now where I'm like,
Speaker 7: can I go looking for them? Because Paul Stamm it's
Speaker 7: like my homie, Like I would love to if I
Speaker 7: could ever get him on the show, If I ever
Speaker 7: had the opportunity to get him on the show, I
Speaker 7: would absolutely adore that because I love that man. I've
Speaker 7: watched so many of his talks. But he lives in
Speaker 7: BC now because like there's and he like goes mushroom
Speaker 7: hunting and stuff like that, and uh so.
Speaker 3: Obviously it's it can be.
Speaker 7: It's a found in places in the worlds, and no
Speaker 7: wonder we have such long kinship to it.
Speaker 3: In humanity.
Speaker 7: Magic mushrooms have been used since the birth of someation
Speaker 7: twelve thousand years ago, and possibly used even before then
Speaker 7: when cave people were existing. Because this is a cave
Speaker 7: drawing of mushrooms where obviously it looks like mushrooms. You
Speaker 7: know it's interpretation, right, but we're showing a picture and
Speaker 7: it's like one of the most famous cave drawings when
Speaker 7: it comes to magic mushrooms.
Speaker 3: Fucking of weird A bunch of penises? Is it weird
Speaker 3: that the mushroom looks like a penis, but it's like
Speaker 3: an I.
Speaker 8: Guess is with wigs on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my question is I don't know if you have
Speaker 5: it already added in here, so I don't want to
Speaker 5: jump too far ahead. But just like, the whole reasoning
Speaker 5: behind why people theoretically would have started eating mushrooms is like.
Speaker 7: Why because well, the whole idea is like I saw
Speaker 7: a meme. It's like, thank god that person that they
Speaker 7: always the one person that ate stuff to understand if
Speaker 7: it was edible or not, because you know what I mean,
Speaker 7: Because that's the idea of like that we needed to
Speaker 7: consume stuff to survive, right, and at the beginning of
Speaker 7: our existence, are we influenced by aliens or whatever?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: But like how do we how do we know it's
Speaker 7: good and bad? You know that guy that eats the
Speaker 7: fucking uh Joe Rogan talks about the ship, right, you
Speaker 7: eat the fucking the berry on the tree, and then
Speaker 7: then uh fucking Fred falls down and dies. You're like, okay,
Speaker 7: not eating that berry. I was like, all right, it's
Speaker 7: a little fun fact.
Speaker 5: The next one family of rats, if they find a
Speaker 5: new food, one of them will eat it, and they'll
Speaker 5: wait twenty four hours before the rest eat it.
Speaker 7: Fucking create rats. Are high highly more intelligent than we
Speaker 7: give them credit for.
Speaker 5: Dude, I used to breed rats. I had like thirty
Speaker 5: hairless rats. Dude, Like, I know a lot about rats, ud,
Speaker 5: They're fucking smartest shit. It's crazy going back into what
Speaker 5: I was saying, just the whole concept of you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna be like that guy from have you Seen Them? Wait?
Speaker 7: If you're seen that movie with U Crystal Clover, the
Speaker 7: rat's a.
Speaker 3: Movie guy committed with all the fucking rats.
Speaker 5: But dude, just the whole concept though, of just falling
Speaker 5: around herds and seeing ship and then seeing mushrooms.
Speaker 3: You're out of it.
Speaker 5: So there's something that looks like a dick growing out
Speaker 5: of shit, and somebody was just like, yep, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: eat that.
Speaker 3: I know I eat that.
Speaker 2: So I've always thought too part of the thing that
Speaker 2: I would assume influenced modern humans is watching other animals
Speaker 2: that are similar to them, watching what they eat. You're
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, that thing is eating that and it
Speaker 2: didn't die. I just watched that bird go and eat
Speaker 2: those berries and it's fine. And then it's like that's
Speaker 2: what those berries and it's fucking dead, And.
Speaker 7: I'm like, what if it happened to eat that bird
Speaker 7: and then he like punches the bird.
Speaker 5: Animals usually regret eating psychedelic mushrooms though, because bears will
Speaker 5: do that shit. Sometimes videos like their cubs stripping fucking balls.
Speaker 5: But I try to grow some strooms in my backyard.
Speaker 5: Brow and the rats and just other animals. It looks
Speaker 5: like everything would come up and take one little tiny
Speaker 5: bite off it and they wouldn't touch it ever.
Speaker 7: Really, man, we have to do a pat at least
Speaker 7: a Patriot episode, so it's not like out in the
Speaker 7: airwaves too much or we talk about stuff like this,
Speaker 7: because I'd be curious of what you've done, how you
Speaker 7: end up structuring, because I know I just before this episode,
Speaker 7: I listened to a magic there's the two books in
Speaker 7: one Magic Mushroom Guide. It was by someone with the
Speaker 7: last name Leary, but it wasn't Timothy Leary. It was
Speaker 7: like Terrence. I wonder if it's his brother a cousin.
Speaker 7: I haven't looked into it, but it was two books
Speaker 7: and one the first book was great, and the second
Speaker 7: book was all about how you cultivate mushrooms. And I
Speaker 7: was like, I don't want to listen to this while
Speaker 7: I'm driving. I need to like sit down and like
Speaker 7: understand because it just tells you the basics how to
Speaker 7: set everything up, and it did. You can't taint it
Speaker 7: unless you're like looking at it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I can.
Speaker 5: I can give you the full fucking process as far
Speaker 5: as outside goes.
Speaker 3: Bro I live in Michigan.
Speaker 5: So like when you grow tubs and they start getting mold,
Speaker 5: that's when you toss them. So just for ships and giggles, dude,
Speaker 5: I would just take that shit and bury it outside
Speaker 5: and see if new stuff you're close.
Speaker 7: To where there's there is there is an opportunity where
Speaker 7: we could all hang out. That's what's crazy, because you
Speaker 7: are I'm I'm in fucking Southern Ontario there because me
Speaker 7: and Anton really wanted.
Speaker 8: To do an honorary Southern Ontario.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like, man, there's a way to Troy, Michigan.
Speaker 3: So I'm like right on the border going in here
Speaker 3: in Buffalo though.
Speaker 7: We're so close, we're like literally an hour and a
Speaker 7: half away from each other.
Speaker 8: I see Canada every day on my way to work.
Speaker 3: The first can It every time I go down to
Speaker 3: the city.
Speaker 7: Canada on the other side, Like hello Canada, Canada, it
Speaker 7: was cool until Trudeau took over.
Speaker 2: Tom and I had a plan at one point when
Speaker 2: we first started doing this together that it was during
Speaker 2: the middle of COVID and we were going to go
Speaker 2: over to the you know the things you put the
Speaker 2: quarter in and the view finders and what have you.
Speaker 8: We're going to hold up a sign and like film
Speaker 8: it and shit be like, yeah.
Speaker 3: Here is hey guy. Fuck you.
Speaker 5: Oh hey, you an old fairness dude.
Speaker 3: From wherever we're at in Detroit.
Speaker 5: You could probably honestly jump in the water swim over
Speaker 5: there in like ten minutes and nobody would even notice you.
Speaker 3: And you'd be like, I'm in Canada. I'm in Michigan.
Speaker 7: You're probably Anton's about an hour and like half an
Speaker 7: an hour and a half. Like I've like from like
Speaker 7: where he is from me about hour forty five. Maybe
Speaker 7: if you include traffics like that, you might be even closer.
Speaker 2: I'm old enough to remember when a there was a
Speaker 2: time where I could just go to Canada when I like,
Speaker 2: without a special ID or anything like that.
Speaker 8: Sixteen year old MEI.
Speaker 2: They're just like yep, go ahead, like okay. And we
Speaker 2: also used to take wheels, used to take a boat
Speaker 2: on Lake Ontario and go from the States to Canada,
Speaker 2: and all you ever had to do is be like, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 8: Docked over here to see you.
Speaker 3: Now you can't come to another state.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah it was, and and the thing is now
Speaker 7: you can't unless you're from another country. Not gonna get
Speaker 7: into fucking my views on fuck face, black face, but
Speaker 7: the first record use of silicide mushrooms three minutes.
Speaker 3: It's gonna happen many, like even in years from now.
Speaker 7: Everyone remember there was a piece of shit that run
Speaker 7: ran Canada and he did it for way too long.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's no judgment. That's just my personal enjoyment.
Speaker 2: I love Cluar always like how do we keep this show?
Speaker 7: Kind of like where it's it's timeless in aspect, but
Speaker 7: I'm like, I can't help but mention what's happening in
Speaker 7: my country because it's crazy the stuff that is happening
Speaker 7: in Canada and even the States. But like Hannah's becoming
Speaker 7: like authoritarianism and like, oh yeah, go kill yourself, you
Speaker 7: have mental health.
Speaker 3: It's tons of fucking crazy shit that's happening in this country.
Speaker 7: So the first record use of silicide mushrooms dates back
Speaker 7: to around seven thousand BCE, which is crazy, and I
Speaker 7: would like to get a Patriot episode about fucking Christ
Speaker 7: and stuff like that from paintings found in that tin
Speaker 7: Tin Tanza Tanza riff rock, which I think is that.
Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure it's this image that was showing earlier,
Speaker 7: which is crazy, and this was an Algeria. These rock
Speaker 7: paintings depict several images of humanoid figures holding mushrooms that
Speaker 7: actually might be this one. I looked and there's so
Speaker 7: and I've tried, like there's there's statues, there is one.
Speaker 8: I was gonna say that's the fucking garden, but.
Speaker 3: That's There's so many different things and I looked for
Speaker 3: in our angient culture, and I've thought this this might
Speaker 3: be it also though, because that's.
Speaker 5: Seen the mushroom man one. What that's like the mushrooms
Speaker 5: growing on his shoulders. It's supposed to be one of
Speaker 5: the earliest like ideas of like an entity based on mushrooms.
Speaker 3: No, this might be it also because this looks.
Speaker 5: Like a face and then mushrooms growing on his shoulders.
Speaker 5: I looked everywhere for.
Speaker 7: Images that we could show, and there's like Google's Google, right, Oh,
Speaker 7: this one, that one yep. Yeah, that's crazy cool and
Speaker 7: he's got dick big old did.
Speaker 5: That was one of the first like known like mushroom
Speaker 5: entity like depictions.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. I bet you someone fucking saw this show.
Speaker 8: Was that a Terrice his wife?
Speaker 2: No, No, that drew that go back to the picture,
Speaker 2: Kat Garson McKenna.
Speaker 7: I was gonna I was gonna be like, I don't
Speaker 7: really know who would marry.
Speaker 2: If anyone's sucking the mushroom, it's Paul Stamon.
Speaker 3: Who would marry this guy?
Speaker 2: What do you mean who?
Speaker 8: The man is a fucking like extremely well educated.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He does look like a cross between Tommy Chong and
Speaker 2: Allen Ginsburg, but that's true.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: He also that dude has talked to interdimensional elf interchangeable
Speaker 5: construct beings like.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get there. I'm gonna get there. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: fucking I want you.
Speaker 2: Done your five dry grams in silent darkness. Tom No,
Speaker 2: I antalk keep saying that ship seven, Homie seven exactly,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm That's what I'm doing next.
Speaker 3: And Homie from fucking uh Realities are Show. I liked him.
Speaker 3: Uh he fucking he was saying that.
Speaker 7: Uh, he was saying that he used to do like
Speaker 7: these are five six grams and mushrooms and ride a
Speaker 7: subway and I was like, fucking no thanks.
Speaker 2: In Portland, I was crazy.
Speaker 3: I want to imagine who That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Look at the homeless guy like fucking like eight No,
Speaker 7: I couldn't imagine doing that ship.
Speaker 3: And then that's one. I'm like, there's set set up.
Speaker 2: When I've tried, I've tripped balls on public transport before, not.
Speaker 8: On mushrooms, and it's not a good time.
Speaker 3: And I love everybody's gonna stab I love you anyways.
Speaker 5: Let alone you're on mushrooms, you especially feel like the
Speaker 5: old lady and sitting next to you or the lady
Speaker 5: with the ball full the baby and stab you.
Speaker 2: In Toronto Trump other other animals know when you're tripping,
Speaker 2: like is that next cats will.
Speaker 3: Look directly at me.
Speaker 5: That time that I saw the oonie on my pillow
Speaker 5: when I was doing the d MT bro, my cats
Speaker 5: were looking right at that ship too.
Speaker 3: I know they saw that.
Speaker 2: In all the the drop and assid and go into
Speaker 2: the woods and ship. We used to also like drop
Speaker 2: ascid and go fishing. And I've never caught more fish
Speaker 2: in my entire life than when I'm tripping and there's
Speaker 2: always one or two deer that come by, and rather
Speaker 2: than be skittish, just stop and just.
Speaker 7: It's fucking weird, Like what's up with you? Like I've
Speaker 7: done a bunch of mushrooms? Now, yeah, it's it's because.
Speaker 2: Like imagine that on the fucking bus around the subway,
Speaker 2: you know that one unhinged crazy person is looking.
Speaker 8: Directly at you, going, oh yeah, I got one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't know.
Speaker 3: You're on the same mental plane as me, aren't.
Speaker 2: You them too?
Speaker 5: God?
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, that's that's what's crazy, because like
Speaker 7: even like my cat, Like even Chelsea was like, Laya
Speaker 7: looks like some sort of like we have. We used
Speaker 7: to have a cat named Luke and lay and Luke died,
Speaker 7: but like she even said, like she's like, it's crazy.
Speaker 7: They look like a more static and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: And there was one time where like Charlie, he seeing
Speaker 7: my dog, seems to know when I'm a mushrooms. We've
Speaker 7: actually had like the one day I was home alone
Speaker 7: and I did fucking I told Anton, I was like,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna wake up and do a bunch of mushrooms.
Speaker 7: I did, and then I like laid there, like we
Speaker 7: had like a bonding moment. But like there was one
Speaker 7: time where me and Chelsea were tip and she went
Speaker 7: to the washroom and I was tripping balls and he
Speaker 7: was in my lap just like like doing normal dog shit.
Speaker 7: But I was tripping out because he looked like he
Speaker 7: was spazzing out, and I was like, and it looked
Speaker 7: weird in my He looked like some sort of like
Speaker 7: cryptid creature, like almost like.
Speaker 3: Sin to throw into the whole animal thing.
Speaker 5: This cat right here already when I first got him,
Speaker 5: he was like an abused cat. And I connected with
Speaker 5: him because I was tripping balls, dude, and I laid
Speaker 5: on the floor and I pet him for like three hours, dude.
Speaker 5: And his face was so perfectly like symmetrical and looked
Speaker 5: like geometrically.
Speaker 3: It was just like the weirdest thing I've ever seen, bro.
Speaker 5: Like it was like I don't even know how to
Speaker 5: explain it unless you're on psychedelics. But it was like
Speaker 5: I could see like him himself, you know.
Speaker 8: The buildings that make them up.
Speaker 5: But I like didn't just see him pass the cat,
Speaker 5: like I swear, like I saw his like consciousness like
Speaker 5: inside of the cat like.
Speaker 7: It was just there's some things like its into ship
Speaker 7: like uh, and we'll get into it on on. I
Speaker 7: think maybe if we do a live about this stuff,
Speaker 7: like I told Anton, like I just did that seven
Speaker 7: grad tea and I like, my my my aunt has died.
Speaker 7: So my grandparents died, like my grandma mother died and
Speaker 7: my grandfather was in like a long term care and
Speaker 7: then he died not shortly after. And then and this
Speaker 7: is all on my mom's side of the family, and
Speaker 7: there's only like a handful of us left. And then
Speaker 7: my aunt died because she had abused alcohol and stuff
Speaker 7: like that and got a tumor. And then my uncle
Speaker 7: died around the same time, her brother from a drug overdose.
Speaker 7: All these people died around a three year period. And
Speaker 7: I did a huge dose of mushrooms. And I wasn't
Speaker 7: there because of COVID and stuff like that. Of being
Speaker 7: able to be there for my aunt here, no one
Speaker 7: was because the way COVID was going, we weren't able
Speaker 7: to see her. And she would text me stuff while
Speaker 7: she was like delirious, And I said, I had this
Speaker 7: crazy experience where I swear to God, I was like,
Speaker 7: where are you guys? Like, I don't like if you
Speaker 7: guys had another reality. When I was tripping balls and
Speaker 7: I heard my aunt's voice say I'm here and it
Speaker 7: fuck it, I was like, is this in my head?
Speaker 7: Like I start tripping, I was like, is this in
Speaker 7: my head? Like one of my It was crazy. The
Speaker 7: things you can experience on mushrooms is beyond our comprehension.
Speaker 2: That actually led me into the other question that I had,
Speaker 2: which is if you guys have ever had like psychic
Speaker 2: experiences while tripping.
Speaker 3: That's what I was literally about to say.
Speaker 5: Bro, there was this time sit there when I was
Speaker 5: tripping that I would do this thing with my friends
Speaker 5: and they were able to do it too. Bro. I mean,
Speaker 5: I still don't even know how to explain this, because
Speaker 5: you and we'd be able to still like feel and
Speaker 5: see like the room around us, and we'd have one
Speaker 5: person to be like put up numbers with their fingers
Speaker 5: and we get them right like every fucking time.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 5: It was like the creepiest thing ever, Like you can
Speaker 5: get like a full feel of your serados and I
Speaker 5: should try.
Speaker 8: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: We've had like full on like not not like a
Speaker 2: full conversation, but a full communication before with just looking
Speaker 2: at each other.
Speaker 8: That's, you know, while while tripping and stuff, and it's.
Speaker 5: I've had a visions on mushrooms too, twice of being
Speaker 5: the same person at two different times, and I was
Speaker 5: like a viking, like mushroom shaman.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: It was fucking weird. It was like our past.
Speaker 5: It was so hard that I couldn't see anything besides
Speaker 5: this vision.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: It was fucking weird.
Speaker 7: It's crazy. That's where I want to get. I'll keep
Speaker 7: fucking reaching for it. I'm gonna like and.
Speaker 3: I was a seven grammar. That was a heroic dose. See,
Speaker 3: and I've done that. I've done a six point it
Speaker 3: was like six point five or something like that tea,
Speaker 3: which I have noticed, right obviously from not doing the
Speaker 3: tea because of deluci to an extent of just eating
Speaker 3: them raw, my trip lasts longer, obviously, and you have
Speaker 3: like more vivid experiences, right.
Speaker 5: I don't know about you guys, but I always get
Speaker 5: like puky from when I eat, like the actual matters.
Speaker 5: So I always do t tech just because it gets
Speaker 5: rid of that.
Speaker 3: Like I've had stomach shit.
Speaker 2: I get I say, I have pretty bad stomach issues,
Speaker 2: and I was like.
Speaker 3: It will go away after an hour about an hour,
Speaker 3: how do you start tripping balls hardest? Look, I've never
Speaker 3: thrown up yet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would throw up every single time I'd eat him, bro,
Speaker 5: But I always know that right after I puked, I'd
Speaker 5: be looking in the toilet and everything will go geometric
Speaker 5: and that's when the trip like sortaty hit.
Speaker 7: We'll bring that up. I got lot of stuff to
Speaker 7: go through. Uh, So let's near the end. I want
Speaker 7: to ask you guys about the mirror thing, if you
Speaker 7: ever looked at yourself?
Speaker 3: But wait for that.
Speaker 7: So obviously there's depictings you have, like obviously ancient k
Speaker 7: I knew this would happen because we've all experience mushrooms,
Speaker 7: so that it's like, whoa have you had this experience?
Speaker 3: But of course this.
Speaker 7: Cannot be obviously taken as a evidence of like you know,
Speaker 7: these these paintings that maybe they use psychedelic mushrooms. But
Speaker 7: also it's given why uh, but given how widespread magic
Speaker 7: mushrooms have been used throughout history, it seems unlikely that
Speaker 7: it's not the case kind of thing, right, So throughout
Speaker 7: this first recorded evidence of human use of psychedelic mushrooms,
Speaker 7: we can speculate that they have been used longer than
Speaker 7: these paintings even suggest. In fact, Terence mckinna, you know,
Speaker 7: the guy looks like he's ready to eat some cheese
Speaker 7: all the time.
Speaker 5: For both I just getna get a milk steak with
Speaker 5: jilly beans on the side.
Speaker 7: I love Terrece Wikina, but like he does look like
Speaker 7: some sort of rat creature.
Speaker 8: I loved the way he talks, voice his body perfectly.
Speaker 3: It's sound true. I am a rat, I am a mouse.
Speaker 5: But his voice is weirdly enticing. That is, he's one
Speaker 5: of those voices that's like a very nerdy guy's voice.
Speaker 5: But you could listen to that shit for like four
Speaker 5: hours easily.
Speaker 7: Also, I don't know that anyone's checked it out, but
Speaker 7: I'm gonna show it. There's a podcast called It existed
Speaker 7: for a long time, but it's Psychic Salon.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 7: I've listened to a bunch of episodes. I went back
Speaker 7: because they have like recordings of Timothy Leary and Terrence
Speaker 7: McKenna and all these other psychonauts from like the sixty seventies.
Speaker 3: Probably it was probably.
Speaker 7: Around like the eighties by the time they were actually
Speaker 7: recording this stuff. But it's pretty interesting because all this
Speaker 7: stuff is like there's talks of Terrence mckinna like uh
Speaker 7: in like colleges and Timothy Leary at Harvard and so
Speaker 7: it's it's I showed psychic Salon.
Speaker 3: It's fucking sick.
Speaker 7: And I only knew about that because Joe Rogan mentioned
Speaker 7: it and I was like, oh, and I look into
Speaker 7: that and it was it was fucking crazy man.
Speaker 3: So yes, I was just say.
Speaker 2: My two favorite Soaks voices to listen to are Alan
Speaker 2: Watts and Robert anteon Love.
Speaker 3: I love Alan Watts with you have no idea that guy,
Speaker 3: He's got me through so much fucking bullshit.
Speaker 8: They both have very cigarette soaked vocals.
Speaker 3: I love it, obviously.
Speaker 7: So Terence McKinnon propos was the idea that human consciousness,
Speaker 7: maybe it was made possible by ingesting these fun guy
Speaker 7: more of this shortly, as well as obviously spreading far back,
Speaker 7: Psilocybin mushrooms have been used obviously in a broad geographical
Speaker 7: spread of around the world. Right so in fact, these
Speaker 7: mushals appear to have been eaten wherever they were grown.
Speaker 7: Much in obviously we have South and East Asia religious
Speaker 7: imagery appearing obviously that it influenced mushrooms Vikings, as Shane's
Speaker 7: kind of been talked about him thinking he was a
Speaker 7: Viking fruit of the gods. Yes, proposed, Uh, they actually
Speaker 7: they reported in stuff that taking I am a mascaria,
Speaker 7: which is sounds crazy.
Speaker 2: That's the red and white cap one.
Speaker 8: Right, there's another one that's.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And when they be filtered through a reindeer first, Yes,
Speaker 2: that's the whole thing connection.
Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, I was gonna say, it's actually a neurotoxin.
Speaker 5: It's not actually psilocybin, so it's a totally different like
Speaker 5: chemical compound that creates it. But if you ingest it yourself,
Speaker 5: it's a neurotoxin and it's not good for you to
Speaker 5: fox you up. But if reindeer ingest it and then
Speaker 5: you drink your urine, it pushes it out, but it
Speaker 5: filters out the neurotoxin parts and then you get a trip.
Speaker 5: It's more of like a drunk like psychedelic a normal one.
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 5: I've seen atmosphere these art exhibits where they'll actually have
Speaker 5: reindeer eating aminita and they'll just give out reindeer pists
Speaker 5: for people to drink, and they do it as like
Speaker 5: art exhibits.
Speaker 3: That sounds fucking awesome, fucking crazy, which is fucking nuts,
Speaker 3: and that will be coming down the road because I
Speaker 3: do want to do our Christmas episode about that this year.
Speaker 3: But druids are a.
Speaker 7: Thought to have eaten uh the the these caps, oh,
Speaker 7: this is fucking libertarian caps, liberty caps, psilocybin semi semi lencintia,
Speaker 7: and so what I can't pronounce with.
Speaker 5: The those are I think the little wood dwellers I'm
Speaker 5: not mistake and the ones that girl on wood and
Speaker 5: they're like crazy fucking strong that it's like one gram
Speaker 5: is like a dose.
Speaker 3: Well okay, and getting into even like Paul Samas stuff
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 7: He's like about how he he's like obviously through his
Speaker 7: life is experienced all sorts of psychedelics, looked for them
Speaker 7: and looked for mushrooms, specifically where him and his brother
Speaker 7: at one point actually coined a certain strength camera which
Speaker 7: one it was, and they found it and they brought
Speaker 7: it home and this is one of his famous stories
Speaker 7: that he told in Shoe Rogan and that he ingested it.
Speaker 7: So they picked up bunch and this is the one
Speaker 7: where he had the premonition that all these animals would
Speaker 7: be dead, and they he marked down the end of
Speaker 7: the world, and then within a week.
Speaker 3: The next week he drove there was a huge drought
Speaker 3: that happened.
Speaker 7: He had a vision of all these animals being dead
Speaker 7: and he drove past it. After this drought happened and
Speaker 7: all these animals died. It's like a crazy story. But
Speaker 7: he talks about how they found a certain strain and
Speaker 7: they had to take twenty grams. He's like, they just
Speaker 7: kept eating him to get the same effect that it
Speaker 7: would be for ten eight, nine, ten grams. So imagine
Speaker 7: how this sit there and eat that many to get
Speaker 7: the same effect.
Speaker 2: Stamens has eaten so many mushrooms that it's nothing for him.
Speaker 3: He hasn't died, man, Like, that's crazy.
Speaker 7: I fucking this after talking about this, man, I don't know,
Speaker 7: I'd stay up tonight and fucking dude. So the earliest
Speaker 7: evidence of magic mushrooms used it It was a mural
Speaker 7: that was found in Northern Australia which depicts mushrooms and
Speaker 7: psychedelic illustrations, which I do think it's either this image
Speaker 7: that we're showing now or I it might be this
Speaker 7: one because there's two prominent images. Uh that we get
Speaker 7: this idea that obviously magic willships have existed for so long.
Speaker 2: This one would probably be no, the second. I would
Speaker 2: assume it would be the first one, not the second
Speaker 2: one if we're talking in Australia, because yes, that's what
Speaker 2: it was. That's white folk and we're talking about Aboriginal tribes.
Speaker 2: So plus another one is Garden of Eden that's just
Speaker 2: heavily like western you know.
Speaker 7: And and and I was talking to a dude at
Speaker 7: work about this because like I work with everyone, like
Speaker 7: I work with the guy that like he he works
Speaker 7: in he's a Jehovah witness, but he doesn't like he practiced.
Speaker 3: He doesn't really practice it.
Speaker 7: He's like he just works out all the time and
Speaker 7: you know, smokes weed and he actually does mushrooms too.
Speaker 7: I gave him some, Uh, he bought some of the
Speaker 7: Golden Teachers off me.
Speaker 3: He still has some.
Speaker 7: And it's interesting because I'm like the one that's not
Speaker 7: really religious. And I said to the one dude and
Speaker 7: he's like really Christian but believes it comes from.
Speaker 3: His heart or whatever, blah blah, and uh.
Speaker 7: And the funny thing is Anton, guess what he has
Speaker 7: a gay brother, just like how you have a very
Speaker 7: religious brother, And I said it was I was like,
Speaker 7: it's kind of funny how uh, how very religious people
Speaker 7: seem to have the brother that's like no gay or
Speaker 7: something like that, because I think it it it's for
Speaker 7: a reason to switch it should at least like have
Speaker 7: them more accepting and switch their consciousness, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean?
Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting? Isn't that weird? I remember that it's
Speaker 3: just like people he's a Christian Orthodox, isn't he.
Speaker 8: Like Eastern Eastern Orthodoxy?
Speaker 3: See?
Speaker 7: And the guy I work with this super like Christian
Speaker 7: and his brothers also grey. So I was like the
Speaker 7: parallels almost of like you know what I mean of
Speaker 7: like that, it seems like people are super religious, like
Speaker 7: it almost like whatever reality does is put someone in
Speaker 7: a specific place.
Speaker 2: Eastern Orthodoxy is for people who are gigantic fucking nerds,
Speaker 2: and like Christianity.
Speaker 8: I just thought that was just like learnless. It's like okay.
Speaker 7: But I told him, I was like, oh, there's a
Speaker 7: theory that like essentially that the whole religious construct was
Speaker 7: actually just from a mushroom. And he was like, oh maybe,
Speaker 7: I'm like, like you believe all the stuff that you're
Speaker 7: told through a fucking book that was written by.
Speaker 2: Then, the talk convincing a woman to eat an apple,
Speaker 2: That's that's fucking perfectly normal.
Speaker 8: But you being like, well, maybe you.
Speaker 2: Know, these psychedelic experiences that people have back in the
Speaker 2: day may have led to them structuring their beliefs, you know,
Speaker 2: which are of course just a smattering of other beliefs
Speaker 2: that were taking text and the.
Speaker 3: Burning fucking bush. How is that psychedelics?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Fucking crazy.
Speaker 7: So obviously this goes through what fuck it, our prominent history.
Speaker 7: The earliest evidence was that the depictions and I do
Speaker 7: think it's this one from the depictions of these these
Speaker 7: cave drawings. Archaeologists have dated it back to ten thousand BCE.
Speaker 7: Rock paintings in Spain suggest the magic mushrooms were around
Speaker 7: and around prehistoric hit people in Europe around four thousand BCE.
Speaker 7: Magic mushrooms have since obviously, like I said, been in
Speaker 7: our civilation for civilization for about twelve thousand years ago,
Speaker 7: and possibly used me even before then. It was also
Speaker 7: obviously used by Aztecs and rituals, including hallucinogenic substance known
Speaker 7: as called the God the flesh of the gods, which
Speaker 7: we mentioned earlier, where that's where they took it from.
Speaker 7: That it might have also been shrooms. They don't necessarily know,
Speaker 7: but it probably was.
Speaker 3: Shit.
Speaker 2: They are they not saying it was aliens.
Speaker 5: They thought mushrooms were given to them from one of
Speaker 5: their gods. Don't know how to fucking say the name,
Speaker 5: but it's x O C H I P I L
Speaker 5: L I like brain fart on how to say it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh no, I do that all the time, don't
Speaker 3: you worry. I constantly I want.
Speaker 5: To attempt to try to try to butcher that name
Speaker 5: because I know I'm gonna totally fuck it up.
Speaker 7: See this is see that's the way I was talking about.
Speaker 7: This is the thirteenth century uh Fresco depictures Adam and
Speaker 7: Eve of the Tree of Knowledge, which that's the whole
Speaker 7: idea of the Tree of Knowledge. Might just be someone
Speaker 7: ingesting mushrooms and then like having like this these fruitions.
Speaker 3: You know, it gets crazy, man, just.
Speaker 5: A consciousness awakening of just realizing like the world around them,
Speaker 5: you know, percent from a different perspective completely changes, like
Speaker 5: how you view the world.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and like I sent anton the pronunciation, but I
Speaker 7: don't think he has pulled up.
Speaker 3: But it's teooniak.
Speaker 7: I'm not going to pronounce anyways, it's where did you?
Speaker 7: I send it in text on the on our chat.
Speaker 8: I'm using my I'm using my phone.
Speaker 3: It's the language of the aztext.
Speaker 7: It literally translates into god mushroom and this is it's
Speaker 7: not it's not lightning because this is what they saw
Speaker 7: it as, right, It's not that the Astecs, along with
Speaker 7: other Central and set uh South American cultures, worship to
Speaker 7: magic mushrooms. And uh, it's crazy because the huge, huge
Speaker 7: amount of aztec icnography and sculptures depicting mushroom added beings
Speaker 7: thought to be deities. We're everywhere, like, where's the one?
Speaker 7: This is fucking crazier, is that want I have? It's
Speaker 7: fucking nuts.
Speaker 3: A little mushroom army, little stone mushroom army. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: cut it out as imagery. I don't know where that
Speaker 3: is now.
Speaker 7: It makes me mad, But this is an example of it, obviously,
Speaker 7: but fucking weird. There's like literally tons of them and
Speaker 7: uh even yeah these literally these guys, these isn't my mine.
Speaker 7: Mushroom stones in Guatemala.
Speaker 8: There's a dog one too, so way on the left
Speaker 8: middle row.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, it's crazy because they're worshiping this stuff. They
Speaker 7: took it like because they would see this thing it'd
Speaker 7: ingested and it would be like what their whole culture
Speaker 7: would be like, uh, structured around to an extent because
Speaker 7: it would give you and then the thing is that's
Speaker 7: why I like, yeah, it could take you down a
Speaker 7: weird path where you're.
Speaker 3: Like, this is the thing that the gods gave us.
Speaker 7: And then one guy's like, I had a vision that
Speaker 7: we have to sacrifice the firstborn child to the gods.
Speaker 3: And it's like, this guy's got it fucking crazy.
Speaker 5: I just imagine somebody taking his shits on the mushrooms
Speaker 5: then looking at a field of mushrooms and they all
Speaker 5: grow those little faces, and all of them just start
Speaker 5: telling you, yeah, yeah, man, like sacrifice your child, love everybody,
Speaker 5: the world willpend. They all just have different voices, and
Speaker 5: it's like, all right, I'm gonna pick that one that
Speaker 5: looks like a dog. He's saying some evil shit, but
Speaker 5: I think he's right.
Speaker 3: Then you're Berkowitz fucking crazy.
Speaker 8: It is so transmissions from serious Man.
Speaker 7: So nuts Man, so Early Spanish Invaders observed and sometimes
Speaker 7: actually partook in these mushroom ceremonies, and it appears that
Speaker 7: it was a ritual and reserved mostly for upper classes
Speaker 7: of Aztec societies, which eventually, even if Shane was going
Speaker 7: I would like to dive into the Aztec cultures like that,
Speaker 7: it would be everything in this show like ends up
Speaker 7: branching off in a spiderweb to other things that we
Speaker 7: could talk about, because obviously there's tons of all these
Speaker 7: iconographies in it, and as high quality, high quantities of
Speaker 7: these mushrooms were hard to come by, that's why it
Speaker 7: was kind of struck sure for like the rich as
Speaker 7: the way we're going with the World Economic Forum and yeah,
Speaker 7: you're not gonna eat meat only Klaus Schwab can eat
Speaker 7: meat kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Well, so basically, if it's one of those like you know,
Speaker 2: we know the benefit of taking these things, but if
Speaker 2: the servant class ever learns that they're fucked so true,
Speaker 2: then we might have a problem.
Speaker 8: So let's just restrict it for us.
Speaker 5: Well, so I was saying, I think they confuses me
Speaker 5: the most about this whole decriminalizing thing is that I
Speaker 5: feel like the main reason why they've like kept psychedelics
Speaker 5: away from people and schedule them as like the worst
Speaker 5: drugs is because they don't want people to work up
Speaker 5: to wake up. So it's like, why the hell did
Speaker 5: they decriminalize them.
Speaker 7: I have a theory is because the idea is that
Speaker 7: big Farmer wants to take hold of psilocybin and essentially
Speaker 7: synthesize it so it's created by big Pharma and then
Speaker 7: so they can sell it. But the thing is, you
Speaker 7: can't patent nature the same way you can't if the
Speaker 7: coronavirus was created. If it was created by nature, you
Speaker 7: can't patent it. And it was patent in two thousand
Speaker 7: and one.
Speaker 3: So how I know.
Speaker 2: I know you're in Canada, but like, sweetie, this is America.
Speaker 2: You can patent fucking anything.
Speaker 3: I know. You can patent age. There's names on it.
Speaker 2: They will.
Speaker 7: There's a pattern for AIDS, patent for the fucking influenza,
Speaker 7: there's a pattern for like every single disease known to man.
Speaker 3: That was what I was saying though about the whole
Speaker 3: weed thing. Brother, they're trying.
Speaker 5: The tobacco thing, which we can get into further on now,
Speaker 5: is like they're separating you from the spirituality of the plant.
Speaker 5: So they start synthetically producing silicides. I didn't put anything
Speaker 5: into the original plant obsolete. Then the spirituality is disconnecting.
Speaker 3: They'll never be able to do that.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: That's the thing about mushroom.
Speaker 7: Even in weed though, but like mushrooms essentially because it
Speaker 7: will grow on its own. My cillium grows underneath the
Speaker 7: fucking earth, and they'll never be able.
Speaker 3: To make it up like eighty percent of the fucking ground.
Speaker 3: Bro It's fucking crazy. I love mushrooms, man.
Speaker 2: But anyways, basically, people make sure you start running your
Speaker 2: heirloom strains now, start growing them where you know where
Speaker 2: they're from, and preserve them as much as possible.
Speaker 5: So I act ills just a little trick for anybody.
Speaker 5: So because this is some shit you can take home.
Speaker 5: If you find some psychedelic strains and you want to
Speaker 5: keep them and you just want to preserve them and
Speaker 5: not have to worry about growing them, you take them
Speaker 5: with a fresh head before the gills rip and the
Speaker 5: sports drop. You put it on a piece of tinfoil,
Speaker 5: put a glass cup over it, let it sit twenty
Speaker 5: four hours. You'll get a nice little imprint of all
Speaker 5: the spores. Close that shit up in tinfoil, boom, you
Speaker 5: got it saved.
Speaker 3: So that's that's crazy.
Speaker 7: So when I'm grinding it up right and all that
Speaker 7: like fucking smoke poof comes up. I are you able
Speaker 7: to take that and then grow them again?
Speaker 8: What you want to suck that in?
Speaker 5: That's the spores, That's what I was talking about. That
Speaker 5: dusting that you get that's on that tinfoil. We can
Speaker 5: get into the process later on, but essentially you put
Speaker 5: it into a liquid search and uh then you've it's
Speaker 5: pretty much how you re germinate, and you know it's I.
Speaker 7: Want to know how you do this because you have
Speaker 7: like great knowledge on this stuff, and I want to
Speaker 7: know it because I'm so I love mushrooms.
Speaker 3: Man, They're my life now. And it's crazy because like
Speaker 3: all that, Like and.
Speaker 7: I joked, I do videos and me grinding them up
Speaker 7: and make them my micro doses and stuff like that
Speaker 7: from my like Instagram stores, and I like made a
Speaker 7: joke where I was like, yeah, I've tried to inhale this.
Speaker 3: It doesn't do anything because I've been like over like
Speaker 3: the grinder, this is like nothing happens. Don't worry.
Speaker 2: I don't mean, I just mean, like, don't let it go.
Speaker 3: To waste no I inhale.
Speaker 7: It liked because it's so like you have to carefully
Speaker 7: open the lid and it goes poof fucking crazy, like
Speaker 7: Johnny Knoxville when he's like farting over somebody's face.
Speaker 3: You know, Oh my god, I love that fucking bit.
Speaker 7: So don't be fooled and obviously imagining that just because
Speaker 7: the societies took mushrooms, that they were totally peaceful and wonderful,
Speaker 7: as we said earlier. One report claims that upon obviously, uh,
Speaker 7: there was when they would actually have a new emperor.
Speaker 7: Many prisoners were sacrificed, their flesh eaten and their hearts
Speaker 7: cut out, and everyone took mushrooms.
Speaker 3: Fucking crazy. There's nothing else, but I would be quite
Speaker 3: a trip, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like you're killing me with that hair.
Speaker 5: You just look so natural when you flip it, and
Speaker 5: you've been flipping it this whole show.
Speaker 3: Bro, I did have that.
Speaker 5: You wonder why I randomly laught, It's because you're killing
Speaker 5: me with that.
Speaker 7: I don't know you should have ant I was making fun.
Speaker 7: We did the Halloween special. I don't know if you
Speaker 7: saw it, but I dressed like a hippie. Billy had
Speaker 7: no costume, so I was like, you got a suit
Speaker 7: and he was like yeah, And I was like, I'm
Speaker 7: gonna get you clown makeup and you're gonna be Trudeau
Speaker 7: and he was and it was The Halloween special was
Speaker 7: probably some of the funniest, if that's a word, the
Speaker 7: most funny ship we've ever done, just because the content.
Speaker 7: It was just, man, the context of all the conversations
Speaker 7: were right there, and uh, Billy didn't know what he
Speaker 7: was going to be. And then I was like, and
Speaker 7: we're putting the makeup on him, and I was like, man,
Speaker 7: you look like scary. And then I took like a
Speaker 7: granted mushrooms that were We're doing that and it was
Speaker 7: a great time.
Speaker 8: You couldn't even I couldn't even look at it. He
Speaker 8: looked up and went over the camera and just the
Speaker 8: makeup down through.
Speaker 3: I couldn't even look at the dude. So the asked
Speaker 3: the cover of the episode. I remember, yes, it was
Speaker 3: just like, oh, man, fucking frightening.
Speaker 7: The Aztecs were by no means the only interest of
Speaker 7: indigenous cultures uh to take part obviously in these regulatory
Speaker 7: like the regularly using psilocybin mushrooms uh obviously the best known,
Speaker 7: but there they are the best known when it comes
Speaker 7: to this stuff magic mushrooms.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: Psychedelics are to be used by also different cultures. Arguably
Speaker 7: even the most famous is ayahuasca, UH, the mystical DMPTY
Speaker 7: containing concoction that was used to communicate with the spirit world.
Speaker 7: Because of this, psilocybin was used in religious and spiritual
Speaker 7: ceremonies for a divination calling upon spirits, like if you
Speaker 7: go back even to me and antonin a whole episode
Speaker 7: about the scrying mirror, you know, the black mirror and
Speaker 7: staring into it, and were it set us down? This
Speaker 7: this talk about psychedelics, of that idea of like looking
Speaker 7: into the different realms of stuff.
Speaker 5: The reason why you can't get into the mirror realm
Speaker 5: is because the other you on the other side is
Speaker 5: blocking you as you push your hand in.
Speaker 3: That's fucking good, you know crazy, So obviously.
Speaker 8: You have to do that thing where you fucking envision.
Speaker 2: Yourself shrinking and disappearing in the mirrors.
Speaker 5: That's not I just imagine somebody trying to sneak up
Speaker 5: on the mirror and they're doing that thing, or they
Speaker 5: walk over the side and then they pop in real quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, all right, I gotta I gotta get them
Speaker 3: on this one quick and then you turn around they
Speaker 3: try to spin real quickly, scary wack around.
Speaker 2: So said, it was the one time you do it
Speaker 2: and it works, and it's the most terrifying things.
Speaker 5: That ripple ship. You see in movies where you touch
Speaker 5: it and it's like water. So suppose on the other
Speaker 5: side your bol like, what the fuck?
Speaker 7: It was used for healing and an aesthetic, which I
Speaker 7: think is crazy Antesia for paying, which I was like,
Speaker 7: I guess, but it could make you feel every single thing.
Speaker 7: That's why I won't smoke.
Speaker 5: We can get a tattoo, man, you feel ship and
Speaker 5: moment I've done.
Speaker 2: That, it's so much it sucks, dude, I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell and I was like, this is fucking horrible. I
Speaker 2: would much rather just go into a sober because you can,
Speaker 2: like you can trance out into the pain.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you focus on it too much on your stone.
Speaker 5: You can't do it on anything. I just will eat
Speaker 5: it ships on a food going sober.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 7: That's because I've definitely showed up at least a two
Speaker 7: tattoo stone and it was not fun.
Speaker 5: It was edibles even worse. I couldn't imagine psychedelics. I
Speaker 5: imagine that like Musher, So that sounds fucking I would.
Speaker 3: Rather chew a bunch of mushrooms than do a high
Speaker 3: dose of edibles. I've had two experience where I felt.
Speaker 7: Like I was dying, where I couldn't breathe, and it
Speaker 7: was fucking man, Edibles, you do too much, fuck you up.
Speaker 5: Just a fun experience, bro, that I got to share
Speaker 5: on this show. Gabby, my girlfriend, she did some edibles
Speaker 5: like a week or two ago, and I didn't know
Speaker 5: she ate them, and we watched fourteen oh eight. Bro,
Speaker 5: she was like, you know in that psychedelic mindset, dudeyah,
Speaker 5: and she was like mind fucks and she was like she.
Speaker 3: Fucking was like, all right, I'm done, I'm going to bed.
Speaker 5: She came in and like laid on the bed sideways,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, you're lying, You're like, so that was
Speaker 5: an awful movie to watch.
Speaker 8: Shut her.
Speaker 7: She told me that she got super into the show
Speaker 7: and she like loves fucking strange Bruce, so fucking showed her.
Speaker 7: That's fucking sick, dude. It is funny because like it
Speaker 7: can really fuck you up. And we actually have a
Speaker 7: talk to do do a commentary in fourteen oh eight,
Speaker 7: because I.
Speaker 3: Love that movie.
Speaker 7: When I was younger, me and my buddy that for
Speaker 7: I got we got stoned and watched it. I was
Speaker 7: like sixteen, and I was not going to actually air
Speaker 7: it about at anton and they saying we should, like,
Speaker 7: do it, do a commentary on it because it is
Speaker 7: such a trippy Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 5: Do not to get a hold on a whole other
Speaker 5: sign tangent about it. So I'm just gonna throw this
Speaker 5: idea in there, but I would love to hop on
Speaker 5: that shit talking about that because I've been fascinated by
Speaker 5: this concept and theory lately that rather than they're being
Speaker 5: like places that are haunted or like entities like we
Speaker 5: think they are, it's more of like a location that's
Speaker 5: conscious and like I will watch that movie a couple
Speaker 5: of days after I started thinking about this concept and
Speaker 5: I was just like, whoa dude, shit happening for a
Speaker 5: fucking reason, Like it's literally about the hotel room itself,
Speaker 5: and not like they're actually being like a conscious person.
Speaker 3: Yeah mind, like more.
Speaker 2: Like a vortex or a lay line type situation that's
Speaker 2: just like an entity all in of itself that's just
Speaker 2: perhaps you know, like unperceivable or like one specific area
Speaker 2: in a building that has Yeah, more like that, Okay, so.
Speaker 3: We'll get it into like that would be.
Speaker 5: More like a like an area is like conscious okay,
Speaker 5: Like like like the area is like I don't know
Speaker 5: how to explain it, Like like we perceive conscious as
Speaker 5: being like tied to something physical, you know, like a
Speaker 5: body or whatever. But if there's like things beyond that,
Speaker 5: and they're just like a consciousness to a location. And
Speaker 5: because there's a consciousness to that location, it's not that
Speaker 5: those like souls are trapped there.
Speaker 3: It's more than that.
Speaker 5: Like part of that consciousness is that it can like
Speaker 5: replay things like reality. That's that's the whole idea of
Speaker 5: likes being you know, just weird ship.
Speaker 2: Would you qualify the into base and as one in
Speaker 2: such area?
Speaker 5: I haven't dug into that one, so you had to come.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I feel like that's that's beyond that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, just like some of these like haunted locations
Speaker 5: that people view where it's just like like, for example,
Speaker 5: the replay paranormal ship where they don't actually like interact
Speaker 5: with the people around there kind of just like.
Speaker 3: Like because that's more of like the location or place
Speaker 3: being like a cautious thing, you know, a.
Speaker 7: Permanent imprint into into a location. Which like that's why
Speaker 7: I said the Season hotel because that's just like just
Speaker 7: rife with paranormal activity and it's just like because of
Speaker 7: the trauma that has been in one area. I do
Speaker 7: think they could, like because we've talked about before, the
Speaker 7: idea of like I tell Anton people, if people walk
Speaker 7: into a bar, they thought they're having a drink, having
Speaker 7: a good time to go back the next day, the
Speaker 7: bar wasn't even opened, and then they saw on the
Speaker 7: fucking wall there's a picture of people that they saw
Speaker 7: from fucking like fifty years ago. It's fucking crazy. There's
Speaker 7: so many things we can get into, especially just.
Speaker 5: Another concept with that room thing I was saying too.
Speaker 5: You go into like Japanese folklore with like the yokai,
Speaker 5: and they talk about like after something exists for one
Speaker 5: hundred years, if you if you like take care of
Speaker 5: it whatever, like it becomes conscious. Yeah, like literally like that,
Speaker 5: but like a like a room or like a place.
Speaker 5: But there's the other side of it where if you
Speaker 5: don't treat it good, that it becomes like an angry spirit,
Speaker 5: and that can be what some of the hauntings are
Speaker 5: is that it's like a location that becomes conscious.
Speaker 3: Going off of like the Geese ideas should come on.
Speaker 7: I've we've talked about, we talked about strange Japanese legends,
Speaker 7: but you should come on. We dive back into because
Speaker 7: I know Anton wants to get back into like some
Speaker 7: of the hauntings and weird paranormal events that happened in
Speaker 7: Japanese culture and stuff like that, because I believe it.
Speaker 5: Want to talk about the Kappa pulling offls out of buttholes, yeah,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, man.
Speaker 7: Or the fucking thing that there's tons of ship and
Speaker 7: you're good, so obviously like you have like you have,
Speaker 7: and it will go into your butthole. You have certain
Speaker 7: ancient cultures like the.
Speaker 2: Uh oh god, what's the oh my god, it starts
Speaker 2: with the tea, I'm forgetting it. The nutsack raccoon, Oh.
Speaker 3: Theis Yeahki, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: I never look at Mario the same think knowing that
Speaker 5: it's not a fucking flying squirrel. It's supposed to be
Speaker 5: flying by a giant ball bag.
Speaker 2: It's a nuts yep, right now. I love Japanese folklor
Speaker 2: walk into that spider woman in the woods is fucking great.
Speaker 3: It's very over sexualized.
Speaker 5: They're very into buttholes and dicks.
Speaker 7: So obviously you have, like all these ancient cultures right
Speaker 7: getting into Central Americans using it through rituals. Obviously, Peyoti
Speaker 7: morning cory seeds. Uh, Salvia, the actual plant of salvia.
Speaker 8: Fucking salvia.
Speaker 7: Selvia is fucking stupid, man. They used to sell that
Speaker 7: sh in fucking convenie stores.
Speaker 8: Have you done it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, numerous times, and it got the more I did it,
Speaker 7: the more I.
Speaker 3: Was like, it's not like, have you done it properly?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 3: It was Hamilton's Farmatopia.
Speaker 5: He actually went to Mexico and they did the ship
Speaker 5: You're supposed to like ingest it like raw.
Speaker 3: You're it's crazy. Existed for like raw for two three years.
Speaker 7: It used to be like in all all these convenience stores,
Speaker 7: and uh, I just quickly. The first time I smoked it,
Speaker 7: I was with these people were sitting on a picnic bench,
Speaker 7: and I was with these two chicks and my buddy,
Speaker 7: and then it felt like I had my headphones around
Speaker 7: my neck and it felt there's a snake around my neck.
Speaker 7: And this one ship I was with Quinn, she was like,
Speaker 7: my like a friend, she's a weird looking girl, but
Speaker 7: she looked looked at extern green and I was like, whoa.
Speaker 7: Like it was like ten minutes it was not, it's not,
Speaker 7: and then it was rep man, it was there's some
Speaker 7: weird shit.
Speaker 3: Uh. So, when the Spanish brutally conquered Indigenous Americans, people
Speaker 3: obviously outlawed rituals involving psychedelic materials, labeling in them as
Speaker 3: barbaric and against the Catholic Church. No, I wonder why.
Speaker 3: Because of these secred.
Speaker 7: Rituals that involve magic mushrooms, they had to go underground.
Speaker 7: So indigenous tribes in uh Siberia used hallucinogaic mushrooms called
Speaker 7: the animiscaria, which obviously we talked about consuming through reindeer piss,
Speaker 7: which is fucking crazy that they even learned they even
Speaker 7: found out how to do that is like mind blowing.
Speaker 8: Who was the first guy that was like one person.
Speaker 5: You even going into the ayahuasca thing? Who the fuck
Speaker 5: figured out that you take?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: Most of mark and then the shrub that doesn't even
Speaker 5: grow anywhere fucking near it and you put it together
Speaker 5: and then boom you get ayahuasca.
Speaker 2: Like, well, isn't the whole thing with that that the
Speaker 2: plants spoke to the shaman and were like to go here,
Speaker 2: and you go here.
Speaker 3: That's yes, they plants told.
Speaker 2: Them that I would a lesser psychede was probably at
Speaker 2: play or even just a forest elemental or just some
Speaker 2: sort of conscious you know, maybe the consciousness of the.
Speaker 5: Land is what what showed them that going back into
Speaker 5: that fucking whole concept with the like laices and locations
Speaker 5: being conscious and not being like tied to like a
Speaker 5: physical vessel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly true. Man, all relates back.
Speaker 7: So obviously an ancient Greece if a mis ritual ceremonies
Speaker 7: that worshiped the gods and and there's all these weird
Speaker 7: mysteries surrounding that. They they drank a psychoactive concoction that
Speaker 7: contained a mixture of psychedelic mushrooms.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: The ceremonies were so secret that if you would reveal
Speaker 7: details gained from them, you could have the death penalty.
Speaker 7: So if you're like, oh, yeah, I went, uh, I
Speaker 7: went hung out with all these weirdos that at a
Speaker 7: bunch of little boys under their robes and I had
Speaker 7: these crazy spiritual experiences and it's just like and they
Speaker 7: told someone and then this guy's like, hey, do you
Speaker 7: hear that?
Speaker 3: Fucking uh? I don't know a Greek name.
Speaker 7: A fucking Robbie told this guy about this experience and
Speaker 7: they fucking killed him.
Speaker 3: We're even like talking about it. It's crazy. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: figures out like Plato, I want to join a mushroom cult.
Speaker 3: That sounds pretty fun.
Speaker 7: Uh, we should that that might be an episode down
Speaker 7: the road, because as I dive deeper into psychondolics, I
Speaker 7: would like to talk about more things to do with psychedelics, obviously,
Speaker 7: and there is like mushroom cults and all sorts of
Speaker 7: weird things. Famous figures like Plato, Homer Not from The Simpsons,
Speaker 7: and Aristotle attended rituals like these.
Speaker 3: Is that crazy?
Speaker 7: It's crazy permanent, like the prominent these mushrooms were in
Speaker 7: our ancient culture and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It's fucking nuts, man.
Speaker 5: Dude, look at the cave like that's literally a psychedelic trip.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine being a cave like balls, So fucking nuts.
Speaker 5: Oh you know what I'm talking about though, Right the
Speaker 5: cave with the whole like they were living in the
Speaker 5: cave and they didn't know that the world existed outside
Speaker 5: the cave.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's a crazy yeah because that
Speaker 7: shit's that sounds like like that's our reality for mushrooms
Speaker 7: as a whole hundred percent. And even this idea of
Speaker 7: how our structure is in our society of people that
Speaker 7: like trust the government even and they don't realize the
Speaker 7: world outside of it and stuff that. Right, So obviously
Speaker 7: ancient egypt Agan Egyptians, and I'm starting to read the
Speaker 7: Egyptian Book of the Dead, which I know it's going
Speaker 7: to be kind of tough to get through, uh, but
Speaker 7: it's I I really want to do a whole episode
Speaker 7: about the Egyptian Book.
Speaker 3: Of the Dead. I totally I talked about this in
Speaker 3: the Tibetan.
Speaker 7: Book of the Day because I have two dope ass
Speaker 7: books that that will look like they got the cool.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: They have like a like a gold looking string through
Speaker 7: the spine of it, and it's a fucking dope looking book.
Speaker 7: And I want to get all this stuff. But they
Speaker 7: dabbled into the food of the gods. They were believe
Speaker 7: they were placed on earth by the god of Cyrus,
Speaker 7: and god like a Cyrus is like the god of
Speaker 7: the dead, and shit like that. So they all go
Speaker 7: so fucking deep because of how special they were. They
Speaker 7: only consumed them for religious reasons, mostly by priests and
Speaker 7: upper class. Of course, they consolidate it towards the top, right,
Speaker 7: and now running into this stuff. So like obviously, Terrence mckinna,
Speaker 7: famous psychonaut he's a component of everything and all things trippy,
Speaker 7: proposed the psychedelic mushrooms were a crucial old development and
Speaker 7: human consciousness. And his book Food of the Gods, he
Speaker 7: claims that obviously primates uh descended from the trees and
Speaker 7: entered a like obviously and came down to the earth
Speaker 7: and and you know, as these trees and uh and
Speaker 7: in these entered the savannahs is how he put it,
Speaker 7: and retreated back to the savannas and enroached whatever this
Speaker 7: thing is weird, the primates begin to obviously consume as
Speaker 7: they came down from the trees whatever how we formed it,
Speaker 7: how he said it, and they started consuming mushrooms.
Speaker 3: Uh, and this.
Speaker 7: May have influenced their consciousness to an extent.
Speaker 2: He love a little Adam bomb in the background it's
Speaker 2: just like everything else is like wow, awesome, awesome.
Speaker 3: The aliens fucking shaking hands, she can hands, the astronaut hey.
Speaker 2: And the that's the egg of life or the sea
Speaker 2: of life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy because.
Speaker 2: Like I remember exactly what. I have a thing of
Speaker 2: Gilgamesh holding that pin on my corpord I'm looking at right.
Speaker 7: Now, so show out to Jim, figure this is this.
Speaker 7: This painting is from twenty twenty one, which is crazy
Speaker 7: as far as the signature goes. And if you look
Speaker 7: up the stone Eate theory you'll see this imagery.
Speaker 3: It's fairly cool. I'd love to have actually this poster and.
Speaker 7: The idea that it has, like the alien chicken AI
Speaker 7: and the astronaut wards, like did that come from mushrooms?
Speaker 7: Because like then we're the like the whole alien thing.
Speaker 7: Like does the idea that we evolved from taking mushrooms?
Speaker 7: Does that now just take away the idea that aliens
Speaker 7: ex this?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 5: I don't think or could play into the alien thing,
Speaker 5: like just a funny concept I was thinking about, you
Speaker 5: know how like when ships will go from one place
Speaker 5: to another, there'll be like muscles that will attach themselves
Speaker 5: and then get dropped in other areas. What if mushrooms
Speaker 5: were like intergalactic muscles their ship and they just fucking spread.
Speaker 2: The ship one of I can't remember exactly what it was,
Speaker 2: but one of the ships that went up came back
Speaker 2: down with a green mold on it, so it's possible
Speaker 2: for it survive in space.
Speaker 8: Plus, that goes into.
Speaker 2: Panspermia, where it's like, you know, asteroids and comets hit
Speaker 2: planets and may have been free of other planets which
Speaker 2: carried those and that live within it, and then it
Speaker 2: hits and it finds that perfect breeding ground and it
Speaker 2: grows out of it.
Speaker 7: That's crazy because obviously he saw like maybe they were
Speaker 7: like you know, roaming around and herds of prey and
Speaker 7: they would continue to come across you know, fresh dung, poopy.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: And then obviously which psilocybe qubensus loves to grow. And
Speaker 7: McKinnon takes the evidence maybe of the rapid shift towards
Speaker 7: more social and conscious behaviors that occurred during obviously a
Speaker 7: short period of time, which I, you know, you have
Speaker 7: the idea where the fucking you know, the idea of
Speaker 7: that we came the evolution theory as there's a missing link,
Speaker 7: which I do believe to an extent, because this is
Speaker 7: only an idea. My belief is how we were created
Speaker 7: was that Aliens took us off the year, off the
Speaker 7: Earth for about one hundred years and actually modified us
Speaker 7: to bring us back down to buying gold because they
Speaker 7: had no gold on their planet because they destroyed themselves
Speaker 7: with Lyra and the whole war that happened supposedly. But
Speaker 7: I like that theory because to me, it makes sense
Speaker 7: that Aliens would take off some sort of Semian ancestor
Speaker 7: from this planet that they maybe even saw help grow
Speaker 7: to the extent that it's at, and then use this
Speaker 7: as a slave race to an extent, which could be true,
Speaker 7: could not be true.
Speaker 2: It's just a theory, but doesn't that Like I feel
Speaker 2: like that theory is slightly more of like a pessimistic
Speaker 2: one because you're like, oh, fuck, Warren, slavery exists everywhere
Speaker 2: in the universe.
Speaker 3: But that, yeah, I know.
Speaker 7: And I'm obviously a huge belief in the reptilians and
Speaker 7: that people are dark entities influencing our content.
Speaker 2: I'm about as close to a cosmic nihilist as you
Speaker 2: can get, but in a weird zany sort of way.
Speaker 8: So I feel you on that.
Speaker 5: I mean, what if I've thought about this theory. What
Speaker 5: if if we're looking at like the missing link, like
Speaker 5: it's actually on an Aki DNA, and it could theoretically explain,
Speaker 5: like reptilians and like cryptids and shit, that they just
Speaker 5: created different races to do different jobs, like reptilians to
Speaker 5: do some shit underground, bigfoots to fucking clear out trees,
Speaker 5: and shit, fucking mothmend to take things to farther locations,
Speaker 5: created people to be like a jack of all trades,
Speaker 5: and that missing connection between all of us is actually
Speaker 5: on an achy DNA, and that explains all the humanoid
Speaker 5: looking shit, is that the humanoid park comes from on
Speaker 5: an achy DNA.
Speaker 7: It's kind of a cool theory because everything is theorized,
Speaker 7: right where like I I will always until the day
Speaker 7: I die, will believe in aliens and that whatever aliens
Speaker 7: be here or dimensional creatures and stuff like that, I'll
Speaker 7: always have that belief, right.
Speaker 2: So five rings to the moth Royalty if they were
Speaker 2: all deceived for another DNA was created.
Speaker 7: So obviously we can't really prove the stone ape theory,
Speaker 7: but it's it's an interesting one, and it's fucking crazy
Speaker 7: because it it would it does make kind of sense.
Speaker 2: It's personally one of my favorites, honestly, like out of
Speaker 2: all the human consciousness origins so simple.
Speaker 3: But that could possibly be why it makes the most sense.
Speaker 7: And then who knows if they were influenced by say
Speaker 7: it alien to like you know what I mean, like
Speaker 7: that they reached this higher consciousness in the alien maybe
Speaker 7: was like, oh, they're ready to evolve type of shit.
Speaker 5: And they could have dropped that ship on accident, like
Speaker 5: it just attached to the ship and just fucking grows
Speaker 5: everywhere and they come back gods, but it's actually just
Speaker 5: like the muscles of their ship. They're like, fuck it,
Speaker 5: to scrape it off before we leave.
Speaker 3: But before it bring to anything else.
Speaker 7: That that makes the theory of the whole thing in
Speaker 7: the Bible, how when they talk about them the was
Speaker 7: it the Nephilim, I think coming back down to Earth
Speaker 7: and seeding with the people because they they left us
Speaker 7: and didn't know what we would become, right, And then
Speaker 7: they're like they come back and that's what they and
Speaker 7: this is in ancient text of them wanting to mate.
Speaker 3: They found the women of Earth is strictly biblical.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that they wanted to mate with the people, and
Speaker 7: the Bible is the Bible, right, I don't. I'm not
Speaker 7: religious body sense of the imagination.
Speaker 2: There are there are always stories of demigods and other
Speaker 2: cultures though that are children descendants of the gods.
Speaker 7: So it's like I think you if you read between
Speaker 7: the lines of Bible and ancient text and Hinduism, I
Speaker 7: need religious construct And I like Russell Brand's theory that
Speaker 7: every every religion almost pretty much says that we live
Speaker 7: in an illusatory state illusion that we all have to
Speaker 7: participate in. But it's an illusion, but we just don't
Speaker 7: understand it yet. And there is that guy Andrew Schultz.
Speaker 7: His podcast is great. I'll shout out because it's awesome.
Speaker 7: They sit there and they drink, they have a really
Speaker 7: cool setup and they have tons of cool guests on
Speaker 7: and he had Russell Brand on a Russell Brand I
Speaker 7: don't give a show what people think about him. I've
Speaker 7: liked him for a long time and he's someone that
Speaker 7: goes against the norm and he has his own fucking
Speaker 7: theories about shit, and I like it.
Speaker 2: My favorite Russell Brand theory and it's controversial, I know,
Speaker 2: but when the world hands you at Jeffrey, just stroke
Speaker 2: the furry wall.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it's funny to shut that out.
Speaker 7: I have a weed shop literally like a two minute
Speaker 7: walk for me, Like it's so close, and I was
Speaker 7: like looking for it.
Speaker 3: I don't now really go there.
Speaker 7: I have one shot that I really like because the
Speaker 7: people are fucking awesome and.
Speaker 3: They had Ajeffrey and I loved it. Fucking great strain.
Speaker 7: It was so nice, like got you superstone, but now
Speaker 7: where you're like anxious and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And I told Anton about it.
Speaker 2: So I feel like, I that might have been a
Speaker 2: mushroom night for me, or I was out drinking and
Speaker 2: I remember you texted it and I'm.
Speaker 8: Like, wait, no, no, no, you didn't make a Jeffrey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he asked me.
Speaker 2: That's just that Trump doesn't the combination of drugs wouldn't work.
Speaker 2: It can't smoke all of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so crazy.
Speaker 7: So and then we're gonna bring it into obviously what is
Speaker 7: happening nowadays, right, because what we're sure of that mushrooms
Speaker 7: arrived the United States in the twentieth century with little
Speaker 7: help from an executive of the JP Morgan Bank which
Speaker 7: is crazy considering you know, they try to kill people
Speaker 7: on the Titanic. To fucking further along their agenda, go
Speaker 7: back to that episode. He discovered them on vacation and
Speaker 7: thinks that these are fun quotations and I should bring
Speaker 7: them to my buddies. That's literally like how they phrased
Speaker 7: how he phrased it. So he does jump ahead a
Speaker 7: bit to nineteen fifty seven, and then R. Gordon Wasson,
Speaker 7: a successful banker and big fan of magic mushrooms, is
Speaker 7: traveling through Mexico where he learns more about this stuff,
Speaker 7: and he finds himself in a mes tech ceremony. This
Speaker 7: strain that I've tried that I actually really like.
Speaker 3: Because it's you could literally go out and do things
Speaker 3: on it, not like blue Meanies or other kind of
Speaker 3: strange right, and conducted by a shaman, and it features shrooms.
Speaker 3: They get all fucking stone. Wasson claims he.
Speaker 7: Didn't do any but he was he was all used
Speaker 7: to that exercise before.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means.
Speaker 7: He's been aware of these exercises, these mushroom rituals. I
Speaker 7: think he claims he didn't do them just in case
Speaker 7: maybe the business people are like, and why do you
Speaker 7: do it? Fucking drugs, dude? While they're like snorting a
Speaker 7: huge lot of coke.
Speaker 2: All of the stockholders were like, look, we all do it,
Speaker 2: just don't admit to its will vomit.
Speaker 7: He does write about his experience because he ends up
Speaker 7: doing them in Life magazine, calling this article seeking the
Speaker 7: Magic Mushroom. The piece is credited with naming the magic
Speaker 7: This is the piece, the article that actually supposed to
Speaker 7: be coins the whole use of magic mushrooms and making
Speaker 7: folks more aware of them. Around the same time, American
Speaker 7: scientists starts studying shrooms, and so they enlist the help
Speaker 7: of a Swiss scientist, Albert Hoffman, known as the father
Speaker 7: of LSD, which would up leading into our LSD conversation.
Speaker 7: He's probably really interesting guy, to say the least. He
Speaker 7: also was the first person who distracts psilocybin from the mushrooms.
Speaker 7: Wasson brings to this state from where he was in Mexico,
Speaker 7: brings the mushrooms whatever. And then Hoffman actually was he
Speaker 7: was the one that was in charge of the chemical
Speaker 7: research of understanding shrooms and he's like, oh, that makes
Speaker 7: people feel a little wacky. Fucking crazy because all this
Speaker 7: was like this guy brings it and this guy studies
Speaker 7: it and then kind of like branches out from there.
Speaker 7: So without Wasson, it might not have been prevalent in
Speaker 7: the Hippy error as it was to an extent, isn't.
Speaker 2: It isn't it amazing too, like like not to get
Speaker 2: onto the mk lgor thing because that's that's totally sidebar.
Speaker 2: But the fact that all of this stuff pre counterculture
Speaker 2: movement was being heavily researched in universities.
Speaker 8: In prestigious universities.
Speaker 2: Leary was in Harvard, for fuck's sake, and it's like
Speaker 2: it just like something had to occur, like something had
Speaker 2: to occur, And whether or not it was just the
Speaker 2: social awakening of people being like I'm not going to
Speaker 2: fight this fucking war, like, uh, we have way too
Speaker 2: much invested in this war. Get your ass in the
Speaker 2: fucking grinder, Like whether it was just that, and now
Speaker 2: they're like, we need a society, be society to be
Speaker 2: more docile and more aquarian, if you will, which is
Speaker 2: why it's being legalized now.
Speaker 3: But poor some flora into the water like Hitler.
Speaker 2: I think the simplest answer is that the generation that
Speaker 2: was involved in the counter culture are now the oldest
Speaker 2: generation around essentially, So I think I think that's the
Speaker 2: most reasonable.
Speaker 3: Altern into business manage.
Speaker 5: They've been doing it this whole fucking time, just doing
Speaker 5: it under underground, and now they're like, all right, we
Speaker 5: got to legalize it now because we've been doing the
Speaker 5: ship for fucking years.
Speaker 2: So we'reading into this secrets out. We can't keep a
Speaker 2: lid on this anymore. So Uh, let's we're gonna get into.
Speaker 5: A ProTouch side though, because that's what we're using to
Speaker 5: control people's minds.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and the thing is the LSD conversation that we
Speaker 7: will have after I try and stuff like that will
Speaker 7: also lead into before we cover mk Ultra, which I
Speaker 7: I anton we've like discussing you in these big, huge
Speaker 7: episodes like how how that we know? Like I've said
Speaker 7: before we did Dahmer, we did almost four hours where
Speaker 7: we can do these big ass topics where we're getting
Speaker 7: into Jimmy Savill. Now we've done Antarctica, where I want
Speaker 7: to do like I want to do.
Speaker 3: Mkultra in a sitting.
Speaker 7: I want to just cover it all and fucking push
Speaker 7: it out there and not have to do all these
Speaker 7: like fucking parts of it. It's just talk about it
Speaker 7: as a whole because it's a fucking huge topic.
Speaker 5: We gotta do LSD and then m AKA Ultra because
Speaker 5: I'm saying we'll do it an two separate things.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're gonna do LSD on its own, and we'll
Speaker 7: have Shane on for that one a thousand percent because
Speaker 7: you definitely have way more experience than I. So I
Speaker 7: will have to talk about a quick sidebar for everyone
Speaker 7: that's like, uh that doesn't maybe has never tried mushrooms.
Speaker 7: Psilocybin doesn't work right away. I can take an hour
Speaker 7: or more to kick in, meaning if you don't feel loopy,
Speaker 7: please don't take more. That night that I was saying
Speaker 7: to you guys, yeah.
Speaker 8: Then I was working, I'm gonna eat more.
Speaker 7: And then I was saying to you guys where I
Speaker 7: was gonna, like, you know, I was off the next
Speaker 7: day and I'm like, I'm gonna do some mushrooms stuff
Speaker 7: like that. And then so I was like, I took
Speaker 7: like three and a half gram something that I was
Speaker 7: gonna not really kicking in after like forty five minutes.
Speaker 7: So I ate like six of my micro dose pills.
Speaker 7: I said to answer, and I told him by this,
Speaker 7: I was like, Mushroom was like, oh, you want to
Speaker 7: fuck around? Eh, you want to fuck around? And then
Speaker 7: I was like I remember, and this is I found
Speaker 7: this artist that I love and I don't give a
Speaker 7: shit people obviously might know about her, but I love
Speaker 7: this artist, London Grammar.
Speaker 3: She has an amazing voice.
Speaker 7: She's like my crush now, crazy like impactful emotional music.
Speaker 7: And halfway through this trip, after I'm like shitting my
Speaker 7: brain out and having all this crazy experiences, sweating in
Speaker 7: the washroom and I'm laying on the couch and my cat,
Speaker 7: my doggre beside me, is like laying there and I'm
Speaker 7: just tripping balls, and I'm like I had the grat
Speaker 7: idea to plug my headphones in to my PS five
Speaker 7: controller so I could listen to the music while watching
Speaker 7: the video. And I was just tripping balls, crying, having
Speaker 7: this emotional experience. Because if you want to fuck around,
Speaker 7: the Mushmill will make you find out.
Speaker 3: But if you don't fuck around, then you'll never find out.
Speaker 7: It's very true, very true. So obviously it comes in waves.
Speaker 7: And I'm gonna do a video for everyone, like follow
Speaker 7: the YouTube stuff because I will be doing like little
Speaker 7: short videos of the best way to be doing the stuff,
Speaker 7: set and setting all that shit, So what's more important.
Speaker 7: Trips can come into waves and they can last five
Speaker 7: to seven hours if you like, maybe the tea might
Speaker 7: be only three. So if you're gonna do mushrooms, don't
Speaker 7: do on a day that you have anything planned, you
Speaker 7: know what, So how it's gonna start, I'll expect like
Speaker 7: euphoria and giggling. The first time I ever did mushrooms,
Speaker 7: I had a laugh attack that one. I me and
Speaker 7: Chelsea mushrooms and I was like just laughing hysterically and
Speaker 7: I was like, I calmed the doma and then I was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh no, it's coming back. Just laughing my fucking
Speaker 3: at all. So fucking funny.
Speaker 7: Obviously, intense feelings of wonder and deep thinking, staring at
Speaker 7: your hands, alternate perception of time, some light visuals and
Speaker 7: lights will be moving. It's not all fun and games
Speaker 7: because it can cause intense paranoia. It depends how your
Speaker 7: state of mind is. Confusion, nausea and a feeling of
Speaker 7: impending doom. You have to be in a good mind state.
Speaker 7: I've taken mushrooms when I am in a low vibration,
Speaker 7: so to speak.
Speaker 3: I was lower and I was like, oh, think OF's
Speaker 3: some mushrooms does not go well, and that you like,
Speaker 3: fuck your life.
Speaker 2: Mean yeah, literally, you will understand that time has no
Speaker 2: fucking meaning when you are in the middle of the
Speaker 2: bad trip.
Speaker 8: It's gonna feel like eternity.
Speaker 5: Thatchoes into My worst mushroom story, bro is that I
Speaker 5: fucking rolled two blunts, smoke two blunts, and came back
Speaker 5: inside and somehow all that time period was fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to fuck that's possible, you see,
Speaker 3: And that's also something.
Speaker 7: Dangerous left is being on mushrooms and smoking weed can
Speaker 7: change your trip. And I've also mixed anything experience recently
Speaker 7: where I've like, because I drink and I have alcohol
Speaker 7: readily available, it's like a bar and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: So like to I've done mushrooms plenty of times within
Speaker 7: the past year where I'll like, drink a little as
Speaker 7: I'm coming down, and it's not always a good choice
Speaker 7: because it can shift your brain and it's not fun.
Speaker 2: I feel like Valerian root and five HTP and a
Speaker 2: little bit of magnesium or the go to is for
Speaker 2: after trip.
Speaker 3: Edibles is mine.
Speaker 5: Usually as soon as I start feeling the peak and
Speaker 5: then it comes down, I'll eat some edibles and then
Speaker 5: it'll just kind of smooth.
Speaker 3: Those are great to see, Larry.
Speaker 7: And so I have a new one where it's uh
Speaker 7: vlarier roots, a bunch of different things. It's for sleep
Speaker 7: can and actually it says that if you have it's
Speaker 7: all like natural, but if you have insomnia, and also
Speaker 7: if you have anxiety, you can take it two or
Speaker 7: three times a day, which so that's cool.
Speaker 2: There's that. And so one of the ones that I
Speaker 2: have is just called stress Relief and it has Valerian
Speaker 2: passion flower and a couple other things, and it's just.
Speaker 8: An alcohol tincture. And yes, that's why a couple drops
Speaker 8: the water and.
Speaker 3: It's I love it.
Speaker 7: I take it raw though, and then so it's like
Speaker 7: you're supposed to be a deep breathe, So that's where.
Speaker 3: Do you take it raw? Yes?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you have to ask Anton. You gotta relax
Speaker 7: it work. Now back to the history Lesson. In nineteen
Speaker 7: sixty Timothy Leary, a counterculture and psychedelic icon.
Speaker 3: He came forward obviously.
Speaker 7: He reads an article about the magic mushrooms the you
Speaker 7: know the life article, He decides to make his way
Speaker 7: to Mexico and tried himself. He does, and he allegedly
Speaker 7: permanently changes his life. And he talks about too that
Speaker 7: it's like one his one five hour trip. Uh, he
Speaker 7: learned more about himself than his entire year's work, like
Speaker 7: being at Harvard and all this shit of how because
Speaker 7: he's a genius either way you want to slice it,
Speaker 7: Timothy Leary as a very smart man.
Speaker 3: Or was this man ryan to remember?
Speaker 2: But I want to say he was like a Freudian psychologist,
Speaker 2: and it just that whole thing was shattered technology. I
Speaker 2: had no idea what he's talking about.
Speaker 7: Leary says he learned more about his brain and hisself
Speaker 7: during the five hour trip than he did in the
Speaker 7: fifteen years of school. He returns to Harvard University, where
Speaker 7: he starts the Harvard Psilocybin Project to conduct experiments based
Speaker 7: around psychedelic drugs. It's all an effort that obviously proves
Speaker 7: his theory that drugs can lead to a higher state
Speaker 7: of consciousness. Alan Ginsberg, a beat poet, catches the wind
Speaker 7: of this and heads to Cabers do drugs in the
Speaker 7: name of science. He quickly becomes a big fan and
Speaker 7: tells his famous friends Jack Kerouac and Charles Mingus about
Speaker 7: the fun he's having and the fungus that led to
Speaker 7: obviously this charge of like the changing the way he thought, Anton,
Speaker 7: can you tell.
Speaker 3: Me Belotle bit? Jack Carrowak ethic you because I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not so.
Speaker 2: I was actually pretty obsessed with the Beats when I
Speaker 2: was younger, Like, while everybody was like pretty into hippie shit.
Speaker 8: I've talked about it before.
Speaker 2: We had that monster movie show off Beat Cinema, and
Speaker 2: in the background somebody would always be reading Howell. So
Speaker 2: it's like, what the fuck is that I dig the
Speaker 2: beat nicosthetic and like went into it and shit Ginsburg great,
Speaker 2: great poet, complete and utter garbage human being. William S
Speaker 2: Burrows same, but also just a weird chaos magician of sorts.
Speaker 2: Kerauak was kind of the more normal of the three
Speaker 2: of them. As a poem right, yeah, he wrote on
Speaker 2: the Road, but on the Road was written under the
Speaker 2: influence of Ben not Ben's a dream, but.
Speaker 8: Ben's a drex or whatever.
Speaker 3: The fuck.
Speaker 8: The old school speed was that you would.
Speaker 2: Just be able to crack open like put into coffee
Speaker 2: and just fucking drink it if you wanted to. It's
Speaker 2: all written on one scroll of Parish when he just
Speaker 2: sat there and.
Speaker 3: Trippy like wrote it out.
Speaker 2: But they're all like they were the precursors to the
Speaker 2: hippie movement.
Speaker 3: That's fucking cool. And do you know what Charles Mingus is?
Speaker 2: That name sounds familiar, but I've never completely blanket on it.
Speaker 3: So they're into it.
Speaker 7: But Harvard seems to grow tired of Leary Shenanigan's he's
Speaker 7: fired in the mid nineteen sixties, but he doesn't care.
Speaker 3: He starts.
Speaker 7: He starts actually like distributing psychedelics I think even asked
Speaker 7: and stuff like that through the United States at the
Speaker 7: height of his hippy moon, which who knows. Because of
Speaker 7: this journey, we'll probably eventually dive into Timothy Leary and
Speaker 7: because the Famous Dead series, which we haven't got back
Speaker 7: to yet. I have tons of ideas of who we
Speaker 7: want to cover next. But I believe that like Terrence
Speaker 7: mckinna and Timothy Leary should be part of that as
Speaker 7: its whole. But which is crazy because now it's the
Speaker 7: hippie movement, you know, it's free love in the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 7: magic mushrooms officially were made illegal in America. Please don't
Speaker 7: stop doing them, though, I don't know why that was
Speaker 7: written in but writer, and obviously you got Terrence McKinnon
Speaker 7: releases his book Psilocybin Magic Mushroom Grower's Guide in nineteen
Speaker 7: seventy six, which is a huge deal. He says in
Speaker 7: his book that growing shrooms is only slightly more complicated
Speaker 7: than canning or making jelly Shane.
Speaker 3: Do you agree?
Speaker 5: Honestly, it's as long as you know the process and
Speaker 5: you keep everything sterile and clean.
Speaker 3: It's pretty fucking straightforward.
Speaker 7: I got to pick your brain about this stuff because
Speaker 7: I want because I'm I. Because the backyard I have,
Speaker 7: I could easily probably grow it outside. There's like I've
Speaker 7: probably different options.
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, you'd be better off growing it into
Speaker 5: monotubs inside, I've heard, because you can control the environment better.
Speaker 5: But the outside stuff is just for shits and giggles.
Speaker 5: Do you think when you're stuff molds, throw it outside
Speaker 5: and just see if it starts growing. If stuff grows,
Speaker 5: just fucking take them and use them as personal shit.
Speaker 7: Crazy so cool, So obviously, like fast forward all the
Speaker 7: way to two thousand and eighteen, researchers at John Hopkins
Speaker 7: University confirmed that magic mushrooms can be used medically to
Speaker 7: treat PTSD depression anxiety can also help people quit smoking.
Speaker 7: The following year, admit a mass push for a nationwide
Speaker 7: decriminalization of marijuana. Denver, Colorado decriminalizes magic mushrooms.
Speaker 3: And it's now. It's it's now.
Speaker 7: It's not legalized, but it's a huge step because I mean,
Speaker 7: in Canada, it's fucking crazy. The first Shrewmery opened in Alberta,
Speaker 7: and the second Shoomury opened in Toronto, and then the
Speaker 7: third one I think was in Hamilton and it got raided, uh,
Speaker 7: which is crazy because like the same way it happened,
Speaker 7: This happened with the fucking when they first legalized marijuana
Speaker 7: in Canada, and so you see this, I'd see the
Speaker 7: shop all the time, I'd get weed for them. Before
Speaker 7: it was like dispensaries were everywhere, which they're in every
Speaker 7: fucking corner. And the small city of Branford that's like
Speaker 7: a fucking mini Toronto because of how.
Speaker 3: Like just the shit that ensues there.
Speaker 7: But it's tiny, comparted Toronto, and there was like literally like,
Speaker 7: I don't know, fucking thirty dispensaries in this small city.
Speaker 3: It's like crazy, probably more than that.
Speaker 2: We joking when I lived in Colorado, where it was
Speaker 2: like it got to a point where there were more
Speaker 2: dispensaries than fucking Starbucks.
Speaker 8: Dude broke down the.
Speaker 3: Street one hundred percent. That's exactly the same thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, forever in Detroit there's eight Mile and on eight
Speaker 5: Mile it was always the thing that you'd count the
Speaker 5: strip clubs because it was like every other building was
Speaker 5: a strip club. Bro, Now you count the dispos because
Speaker 5: it's not every other building, it's every single building is
Speaker 5: a fucking dispo and then here and there you'll find
Speaker 5: a strip club.
Speaker 7: It is crazy because because now it's so prominent, and
Speaker 7: that's why I'm like, and I still buy it. But
Speaker 7: there's my conspiracy brain if what the what the government
Speaker 7: is spreading on this. But I've I've known people that
Speaker 7: have like worked growing it and stuff like that for
Speaker 7: the government, and they said, it's pretty, like other than
Speaker 7: some you can't they can't tell you about everything, but
Speaker 7: like how it's it's pretty.
Speaker 3: They're not spraying it with ship.
Speaker 7: But then you have the idea of like, what are
Speaker 7: they doing to get rid of some of the ship
Speaker 7: that eats it?
Speaker 2: And you just gotta be there's a ton of regulations
Speaker 2: that go into the spray with shit.
Speaker 5: We do that ship in my work, bro, they fucking
Speaker 5: spray that ship. That's what I'm worried about regularly. I
Speaker 5: want to grow my own fucking shit just because of that.
Speaker 5: But it's so easily and readily available as I can
Speaker 5: go down the street and get it right my conspiracy brands,
Speaker 5: I was like, one am I injury? Like, is it's
Speaker 5: gonna be bad for me down the road? Are they
Speaker 5: doing this on purpose?
Speaker 3: And you know what I mean? So, but the whole
Speaker 3: should we strain the rooms?
Speaker 5: You gotta wait like twenty minutes so you can go
Speaker 5: back in the fucking rooms.
Speaker 3: But would that affect you if you're smoking it though?
Speaker 5: I mean you're not like you're rinsing off the buds,
Speaker 5: like the should sit somewhere crazy.
Speaker 3: So obviously it's going to like it.
Speaker 7: Later that same year, Oakland, California obviously decriminalizes uh, psychedelic
Speaker 7: plants and fung guy, But you can't like you're where
Speaker 7: you're making something that's grown naturally. Uh illegal? Is always
Speaker 7: the stupidest bullshit to me. Uh, magic mushrooms have come
Speaker 7: a long way. They will never be fully legal, but
Speaker 7: the Duke caminalization and the medical uses a huge step.
Speaker 7: And uh, I love Paul Stammets uh to bring this
Speaker 7: to a close. But the there's a fantastic fun guy
Speaker 7: on and I think it's on Netflix now, amazing documentary.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 7: A lot of time into it, and it goes into
Speaker 7: the idea of fun because I take a bunch of
Speaker 7: stuff now where I even want to get into taking Rashie. Sorry,
Speaker 7: I playing my fucking hair because I wig fucked up
Speaker 7: my hair, Like every time I wear a wig, my
Speaker 7: fucking hair goes o bananas.
Speaker 3: But like it, it's fucking crazy, like.
Speaker 7: In all this stuff that I fucking you know, and
Speaker 7: I'm glad I found like that. It's crazy because the
Speaker 7: site that I used to use, I'm gonna ever shut
Speaker 7: it out. But so I used to use to get
Speaker 7: edibles because you can't get strong edibles and dispensaries it's
Speaker 7: ten milligrams, which is fucking pathetic, Like I have.
Speaker 3: To That's what I was about to say. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it was me or not. I saw you
Speaker 3: moving and I was like, okay, I'll give it a second.
Speaker 3: There he goes. I was like, yeah, the fucking maybe, Chelsea's.
Speaker 5: It's raining outside of my house. I literally thought my
Speaker 5: internet went out. I was like, God, damn it.
Speaker 7: It's all good though, because we're we're at the close
Speaker 7: of this. And I fucking loved getting into this stuff
Speaker 7: because I've wanted to do this for a while and
Speaker 7: I I want to do it justice because I I
Speaker 7: it's changed my fucking life, man, and like it is crazy,
Speaker 7: like and I found like the set I was using
Speaker 7: for edibles, and because you can't only get certain man
Speaker 7: the edibles they sell the dispensaries, I'd have to eat
Speaker 7: five of them to really get a good experience, Right.
Speaker 5: That's my problem. Edible, how does they make in Michigan?
Speaker 5: Is two hundred milligrams on an edible that I've.
Speaker 3: Seen that that's way better.
Speaker 7: They could only sell to ten ten milligrams the highest
Speaker 7: that they can sell in the dispensaries.
Speaker 5: And I talked to well, that's a full package, like
Speaker 5: you know, the little each individual gummies. The highest I'll
Speaker 5: see is like twenty per gummy.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. I'm saying ten and they'll give you my own.
Speaker 7: They will give you a package of one edible as
Speaker 7: ten milligrams, or a drink that's only ten milligrams.
Speaker 3: And I talked to the chick. I was like, you
Speaker 3: can fuck off. I need at least like fifty sixty.
Speaker 7: I need at least yeah, fifty forty to fifty, maybe sixty.
Speaker 7: I used to eat these suckers from the site I'm
Speaker 7: talking about, and they're one hundred and twenty five. And
Speaker 7: that was like a perfect stone right where it's not
Speaker 7: overboard where I told Anton I got a thousand milligram edible.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a bunch of edibles. It was one.
Speaker 7: It look get an ice cream combe me and Chelsea
Speaker 7: cut the off and then we cut it again, and
Speaker 7: I thought I was gonna die, and she was.
Speaker 3: She was this, She's like, I'm just super high.
Speaker 7: She kept saying like this will be done eventually. Eventually,
Speaker 7: I will this will be gone. I will not be
Speaker 7: like this anymore. And I was like, like, try to
Speaker 7: fucking breathe and thinking I was dying. And the one
Speaker 7: time I thought I had COVID during like the COVID night,
Speaker 7: because I couldn't breathe, and she was like, just get
Speaker 7: COVID within an hour, and I was like, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 7: But like, is it.
Speaker 5: A regular thing for edibles that you forget that you
Speaker 5: know how to breathe.
Speaker 2: It's weird, but it's the strangest thing. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: like it's like, oh shit, my breathings on manual. I
Speaker 2: gotta yeah it is. I'm good.
Speaker 7: So, like I talked to the one and I was like, hey, dy,
Speaker 7: have alcohol everywhere, something that causes fights, something that like
Speaker 7: people become maniacs on. And I can vouch for even
Speaker 7: me with sometimes I've been drunk on shit like that.
Speaker 7: I became a happy drunk throughout my years, but I
Speaker 7: was a teenager with all my mental health issues. I
Speaker 7: went kind of fucking nuts at times. And the fact
Speaker 7: that you can buy a twenty sixer, Okay, you can
Speaker 7: buy forty, you can buy six. If you choose to
Speaker 7: drink that all in one fucking sitting, that's your choice.
Speaker 7: They allow that to happen. But with edibles, they're.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, if somebody has something happened to them, and
Speaker 3: it's it's like you have the choice to take this
Speaker 3: much or whatever. So the idea that we can we
Speaker 3: focus our whole fucking culture on alcohol a lot of times,
Speaker 3: and there's lcbos or whatever, fucking beer stores or whatever
Speaker 3: are everywhere, but like second alcs are fucking weed you
Speaker 3: can't have because what like, honestly, it's fucking stupid.
Speaker 5: Things to me, is that they view weed like alcohol.
Speaker 5: They're like, you can't drive because it's just like alcohol.
Speaker 5: You can't do this because it's just like alcohol. Like, no, bro,
Speaker 5: it can be as stone as I fucking want to be.
Speaker 5: I'm totally fine driving if I drink like three drinks.
Speaker 8: Bro, I'm not exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm i'man an avid summertime bicyclists in
Speaker 2: the in the city with all my friends because we
Speaker 2: just love getting you know, backpack beers and going for
Speaker 2: mike rides because I'm not gett behind the wheel of
Speaker 2: a fucking car. But weed, you can smoke that fucking
Speaker 2: all day every day. I mean, I've been sitting here
Speaker 2: in this the whole time. Yeah, and uh yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it's it's just it's not even kind of the fucking same.
Speaker 5: Thing that I don't even realize that I'm stoned anymore. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: That's no, that's like.
Speaker 8: Literally hitting this packt the entire episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's not even it's not even mildly
Speaker 2: the same. So I have every experienced smoker knows that.
Speaker 3: So I have a chart pulled up.
Speaker 7: This is your second ELC experience of psilocyber experience.
Speaker 3: So this is so.
Speaker 7: People can break it down that maybe I've never tried it.
Speaker 7: You start small, that's always tell people. And I'll do
Speaker 7: a whole video about this for YouTube. But obviously you
Speaker 7: have like a point five is you know, is like
Speaker 7: a mood enhancement, crisp concentration. Your flow state will get better,
Speaker 7: and then you get like, you know, close to a gram,
Speaker 7: you might be feeling stone, mild euphoria, visual enhancements, short
Speaker 7: term memory anomalies, alternate sounds.
Speaker 3: Then when you better hit a Graham.
Speaker 7: Graham is the is the threshold that's lift off, as
Speaker 7: Paul Stamens would say, And that's when you become you
Speaker 7: see some more vivid colors, closed eyes, visuals, you know,
Speaker 7: distracted thought patterns, enhanced creativity.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: And then once you get started getting like two grams
Speaker 7: to three point five, that's warped kaleidoscope style visions, which
Speaker 7: I've definitely seen numerous times mild hallucinations, three D closed
Speaker 7: eyes visuals, and then distorted sense of time. And then
Speaker 7: obviously the heavy dose when you get three point five
Speaker 7: to five is heavy hallucinations. Ego, your ego dissolves, uh,
Speaker 7: you know, mild disconnect from reality, complete loss of time,
Speaker 7: out of body experiences.
Speaker 3: And then obviously five.
Speaker 7: Plus is like we're ego death where you like, like
Speaker 7: you you see yourself beyond all this bullshit.
Speaker 3: You completely disconnect from what reality is.
Speaker 7: And I've learned that from my experience with psychedelics, reality
Speaker 7: is not as real as we.
Speaker 3: Think it is. I've seen fucking grids in the sky, bro.
Speaker 8: I told geometry, fucking building block shit, just like.
Speaker 3: I told the Anti about this one.
Speaker 7: We're outside, We're like we used to want we do
Speaker 7: psychedelics all how much movies outside taking mushrooms, watching movies,
Speaker 7: and I'd like a lot of times like I knew
Speaker 7: the movie, or like we were like a lot of
Speaker 7: times you watch them, like yeah, we knew. We watched
Speaker 7: like Signs, which was actually kind of fun watching that
Speaker 7: shit outside Buy a fire and I just look up
Speaker 7: in the sky and I can see the stars and
Speaker 7: they're connecting in like a grid formation.
Speaker 3: It was fucking crazy. I was like, whoam fucking nuts?
Speaker 5: Have you guys ever seen the movie Chicken, Little Bro
Speaker 5: where like the bridge falls out of the sky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it looked like to me. Oh shit,
Speaker 3: it is crazy.
Speaker 7: The dome and uh, you know what to end this like,
Speaker 7: I will personally say that psychedelics have changed my life
Speaker 7: Anton since you started this show with me more than
Speaker 7: a year ago.
Speaker 3: Have you seen the change in me?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely?
Speaker 8: And I really wanted when you were showing all those pictures.
Speaker 8: I want to be like, we get it.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 8: You listen to Tools, shut the fuck up. And I don't
Speaker 8: like how Tool.
Speaker 3: Took Alex Grays like it just it's.
Speaker 8: Did a ton of art for Tools.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 8: I just don't like we're like this like Tool. I'm sorry,
Speaker 8: Adam Jones and Alex Gray work.
Speaker 3: I don't like toolular opinion.
Speaker 5: I'm also not a fan of Tool, even though I
Speaker 5: am a psych not Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't like Tool. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I loved Tool back in the day, like when I
Speaker 2: was a teenager.
Speaker 8: Tool was the ship, but it was like you.
Speaker 2: Know, math rock, and it was the first that's version
Speaker 2: of that I'd ever heard, and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: this is like fucking awesome. Maynard's a piece of shit.
Speaker 8: I saw them live. It was the worst show that
Speaker 8: I saw that year, and I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm fucking over this.
Speaker 7: So this image, there's a famous as Gray art of
Speaker 7: like a guy laying on his bed and seeing all
Speaker 7: the eyes. There was a time I took four grams
Speaker 7: of mushrooms and Charlesto.
Speaker 5: To cover for the Spirit Molecule that book.
Speaker 7: Did that artwork for that book. Chelsea's upstairs doing something.
Speaker 7: I don't know she was on them too. But I
Speaker 7: laid down and I had a fucking blind full. I
Speaker 7: put on my eyes and I laid there and I
Speaker 7: literally looked like a thousand eyes were looking at me.
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, not for.
Speaker 7: That, because I've said the anton that I want to
Speaker 7: dive into that stuff eventually.
Speaker 3: Just another weird observation.
Speaker 5: If you're guys ever taken a shower on psychedelics where
Speaker 5: you just feel like you're in this giant, empty vat room,
Speaker 5: it almost feels like that shit from like Stranger Things,
Speaker 5: where it's just like the dark, fucking black area with
Speaker 5: like water on the floor. It's like the most creepy,
Speaker 5: ominous feeling to take a shower on psychedelics, especially when
Speaker 5: you close your fucking eyes.
Speaker 2: So like running, like I said before, running water centers me.
Speaker 2: So if I get really like if i'm having like
Speaker 2: like okay, I'm mild panic or what have you, I
Speaker 2: will go and like I do this mental exercise where
Speaker 2: it's like the water hits you, it turns muddy and crappy,
Speaker 2: and then once the water runs clear, you're good. Like
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to do at least three or four
Speaker 2: grams and go into a sensory deprivation tank because I've
Speaker 2: gone demo tanks, which I love, but I want that
Speaker 2: to be the floating darkness, Like I want to try that.
Speaker 2: I'm at the point where it's like, you know, give
Speaker 2: me a battle that'll either kill me or set me free.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be in another world at that point, the world.
Speaker 7: My buddy that's been on the show before I stuff
Speaker 7: like that. He's got me super into the stuff, like
Speaker 7: way beforehand, like I've told Anton stuff off air which
Speaker 7: I won't mention, but like I mixed a bunch of
Speaker 7: shit stupidly and had crazy paranoia ingesting like mushrooms and
Speaker 7: some other stuff. But raz he owned. He ended up
Speaker 7: selling it, but he owned a float studio where they
Speaker 7: would do. He also has his girlfriend's very spiritual and
Speaker 7: they would do like they would do ceremonies and like
Speaker 7: sound circles or whatever and all this shit. And I
Speaker 7: did the first time I did the tank, I like
Speaker 7: rubbed my eyes, that'd salt my eyes.
Speaker 3: I couldn't get comfortable, and I like it wasn't the greatest.
Speaker 7: And then I tried again, was nice calming, but he's
Speaker 7: I was like, he did like three he did like
Speaker 7: a half quarter in Canada terms at three point five
Speaker 7: and did it and he's like, it's fucking crazy. He's like,
Speaker 7: you couldn't imagine the type of feelings that you get
Speaker 7: and see and things you go through. And but yeah,
Speaker 7: psychedelics have changed my fucking life, well specifically magic mushrooms.
Speaker 7: I'll get back to you when I try LSD. But
Speaker 7: I really enjoyed this.
Speaker 2: Yes, get your passport, come down for bicycle day because
Speaker 2: I'm really trying to convince a good chunk of my
Speaker 2: friends to do just trip and ride our bikes that day.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 7: Uh so, let's bring it to a close. Because it's
Speaker 7: been two hours. We have yet to pee. I also
Speaker 7: have to. Uh so, yeah you saw my little message.
Speaker 7: I was like, yeah, I've been fucking for it too.
Speaker 7: So this is what happens when we get like there's
Speaker 7: sometimes like on the Antartic episode, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 7: we gotta like take a break. It's like fucking two
Speaker 7: and a half hours in.
Speaker 8: For once, I don't have to. I always have to piss.
Speaker 2: Like twenty minutes into the episode, I didn't drink anything,
Speaker 2: and all I've been doing is smoking, So I'm like,
Speaker 2: I drink. I don't have to piss.
Speaker 3: Noodle Energy drink got me all fuel.
Speaker 5: Nice.
Speaker 3: Nice, We'll stay away from that ship. I do not
Speaker 3: like energy drinks anyway, Dude.
Speaker 2: I drink bang like it's fucking water. At this point,
Speaker 2: it's bad.
Speaker 5: This is my one, the g fueled Naruto stage Mode thing,
Speaker 5: and it's a limited edition one. So I'm pretty bummed
Speaker 5: out because there's one gas station I know that has these,
Speaker 5: and I've been buying everyone that I can find, and
Speaker 5: I see you.
Speaker 7: Every time I drink it ergy drink. I feel like
Speaker 7: I'm a cocaine have a hear attack, but so.
Speaker 3: I want to feel like I kind of dig it though.
Speaker 2: Dude, Okay, so fun fact, I mean you you know, uh,
Speaker 2: you know what I party and what have you at
Speaker 2: the bars. I would much rather like crack a bang
Speaker 2: or like a heavy super heavy caffeine and energy drink
Speaker 2: after like midnight of drinking to continue drinking then start
Speaker 2: doing bumps like that.
Speaker 7: Well neither for me. So obviously, you know, I hope
Speaker 7: you guys really enjoyed this episode. I thought it was
Speaker 7: pretty cool. Uh And I always want to dive into
Speaker 7: this considering how much you know, mushrooms have changed my
Speaker 7: life and the way I think and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: And uh so obviously you know where to find us
Speaker 7: Stranger Podcast, Stranger podcast dot com and uh.
Speaker 8: Shane shot with two cents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shane, shout out all your shit. I try to
Speaker 3: make it quick and easy.
Speaker 5: I do multiple shows increase in all reality bizarre encounters,
Speaker 5: but I put it all under one kind of name
Speaker 5: as Open Minds Media. So if you want to come
Speaker 5: and find all of the different shows that I do,
Speaker 5: come and check out the Open Minds Media link tree,
Speaker 5: which is a L A and K t R period
Speaker 5: E slash Open Underscore Minds, Underscore Media.
Speaker 7: Yes, and there's obviously, uh, there's obviously stuff in the
Speaker 7: works to actually create a YouTube show with Shane that
Speaker 7: will just be specifically for YouTube, because he's gonna build
Speaker 7: up YouTube and create one too. So there's there's stuff
Speaker 7: in the works. Uh, So obviously be prepared and look
Speaker 7: for that stuff because I will let you guys know
Speaker 7: when we start really doing this, when we get the
Speaker 7: first episode, and then you know, I'll get you. Go
Speaker 7: subscribe to Shane's show, show him some love, give him
Speaker 7: a five star review. I had a lot of fun
Speaker 7: with this and Shane Man your rock star. You'll definitely
Speaker 7: hear Shane on a Patriot episode for a Stranger Danger
Speaker 7: and then we can kind of really get to know
Speaker 7: each other and stuff like that.
Speaker 8: Fuck yeah, Shane, thanks for joining us, dude.
Speaker 2: This was a blast, a real good time.
Speaker 8: I can't wait to talk more about this ship too.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 5: Fuck, I was gonna say thanks for feeling me on guys,
Speaker 5: and I'll have to get both of you guys individually
Speaker 5: and my show at that time a long time ago.
Speaker 5: I still gotta get you because we missed the show
Speaker 5: on Somebody whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta we'll work it all out. We absolutely will, yeah,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: Tons of stuff in the works, obviously, and I'm super
Speaker 7: excited because look out, you know, subscribe to the YouTube
Speaker 7: Stranger podcast because we probably will be doing eventually like
Speaker 7: a psychedelical live where we discussed like Elks as a whole.
Speaker 7: So go shit, you know, go fucking you know what,
Speaker 7: you know what to do, Stay strange your pieces of shit,
Speaker 7: all right, peace.
Speaker 6: A wake up late, a stamplate, anyway to escape? I
Speaker 6: fine it, diddy this, I'm a slave. I'm reminded that
Speaker 6: I hate the way this world been searching for a
Speaker 6: purpose worthless. My nerves get a tense when I sentenced
Speaker 6: a bad vibe and now I'm sick of hearing black
Speaker 6: guys rum about how they blast nice. Well that's fine,
Speaker 6: but it's so repetitive. You're probably being massed at the ship.
Speaker 6: But you go like rossive senselessness, and then for your
Speaker 6: tennis staff my head's sake, and not try not to
Speaker 6: mention that because our friends are quick to judge. Listen enough,
Speaker 6: I don't give a ship because this world's nothing but
Speaker 6: a dream and world leaders fuck kids discussing us as
Speaker 6: this world of corruption and greed is something in me
Speaker 6: and all of us.
Speaker 3: When you look in the mirror and nobody's all you see,
Speaker 3: and guys call your slots.
Speaker 6: Behind your back, you'll find it sad. The man's focuses
Speaker 6: on a fine ass, and time has changed, and what
Speaker 6: and all this child not just mind this and brainwashed,
Speaker 6: all brags of the same god. All the children not
Speaker 6: just mind the same pray wash, all brag to the
Speaker 6: same god, all bray to the same God.
Speaker 2: And hell, I want to go off and go to
Speaker 2: work for work, for what money?
Speaker 4: I got all the money in the world.
Speaker 2: I'm a king man. I'll running underworld.
Speaker 8: Guys, I decide who does what and where they do it?
Speaker 8: At what am I gonna run around?
Speaker 6: And after I got some geenie boxer somewhere for somebody
Speaker 6: else's money.
Speaker 2: I need the money man.
Speaker 6: I wrote games, mindy, a lot of Place, and nine
Speaker 6: plays while I wait for these PAGs run out of space.
Speaker 6: You think thre million mine away, But the ring your
Speaker 6: room watching you, my stairt them not a bother to
Speaker 6: know it all. And I hope my balls, that's troll
Speaker 6: done the halls thinking that was God looking forl wishing
Speaker 6: strong as reality is hitting hard, Let's go to a
Speaker 6: different galaxy.
Speaker 3: Is in foved Get in the car and hit the
Speaker 3: gas and get.
Speaker 2: My ass to somewhere new.
Speaker 6: For people of arege scanned too, fight to win and
Speaker 6: they don't care if you fucking leg damn or not,
Speaker 6: because we're all fighting for the same cause. They want's
Speaker 6: mindless and brainwashed, praying to the same god, one world
Speaker 6: under one government. They have curs will love the sick.
Speaker 6: You wonder why trucks exists. I've had enough of this.
Speaker 6: They're a duffing kids as the force to suck dick
Speaker 6: all these factist, fucking pigs as disgusting as it is
Speaker 6: into reality living in n fallacy, which is actually a
Speaker 6: holographic galaxy. To the research, always jump feet first because
Speaker 6: it will change how you see Earth. The way we
Speaker 6: eat dirt, entry each other makes me hurt to my
Speaker 6: inner card.
Speaker 3: We should be given more to the part.
Speaker 8: As the doors are came close?
Speaker 2: Is this living hell?
Speaker 4: No? Y?
Speaker 3: How have your w How do you know you're in
Speaker 3: the jungle?
Speaker 2: How do you are in your heart? Yeah said, that's
Speaker 2: what I think, That's who you know?
Speaker 5: Just you know this.
Speaker 2: However, I feel feel