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<v Speaker 1>Heay back with you here on EXUS and Bros. Glad

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<v Speaker 1>you're with us on this Monday time for Mondays with

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch Mitch Lion's our friend Mitch Lion's Wealth dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>joining us here like he does every Monday and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>when it's big football news as well. And he had

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<v Speaker 1>a busy weekend. How are you, Mitch? Good to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great. I'm doing great.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing fine well. I was playing golf yesterday in

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<v Speaker 1>the rain. You were doing what this past weekend?

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<v Speaker 3>I was turkey hunting, which was great.

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<v Speaker 2>We had some great weather up in Sears, Michigan at

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<v Speaker 2>our hunting property and didn't see any gobblers. Unfortunately they're

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<v Speaker 2>all on camera, you know, all April. But I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>get up there in April, so we gave it a

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<v Speaker 2>gave it a shot. This week saw some hens, but

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<v Speaker 2>going guinny gobblers coming in.

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<v Speaker 1>That interests me because I've been deer hunting, I've never

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<v Speaker 1>been turkey hunting. What's the thrill of turkey hunting compared

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<v Speaker 1>to deer hunting, elk hunting, big game hunting, anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's part.

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<v Speaker 2>The fun part is when you when you get a

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<v Speaker 2>gobbler and you're able to call him in. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's no different than I guess if you're grunting and

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<v Speaker 2>had a buck answering and coming in on that. So

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<v Speaker 2>he gets the heart pumping. But as you more than that,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just time out in the woods. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not with my son's great time, great time in the

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<v Speaker 2>woods with him, and it's just relaxing to get out

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning and watch nature come alive.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. How how long have you been hunting?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? I grew up hunting with my dad, deer

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<v Speaker 2>hunting primarily. I haven't I haven't hunted turkey a ton,

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<v Speaker 2>but we've got some honting propery. So we started doing

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<v Speaker 2>that a couple of years ago, and it's it's good time.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the biggest catch you've ever had? The biggest catch

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<v Speaker 3>or biggest thing I had?

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<v Speaker 2>I just had a really nice nine point buck off

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<v Speaker 2>some corn property in my wife's family. She's I probably

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<v Speaker 2>about fifteen years ago, but I was that one got

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<v Speaker 2>the heart race and it was bigger than any deer

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen in my life, and just a big

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<v Speaker 2>old corn fed monster. And so that was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Love that. What else do you hunt? I mean, have

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<v Speaker 3>you ever done the big game hunting?

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<v Speaker 2>No, you know, I've not.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. That just doesn't do it for me.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole pay, you know, thousands of dollars. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm exotic analysts. This ever never been my deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you a fisherman too?

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<v Speaker 2>I do like to fish a little bit. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a place up in Cadillac on Lake Cadillacs, so we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get out and fish for some bass and pike and bluegill.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a couple grandsons now, so we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to get them and gratiated into it this summer, so

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<v Speaker 2>that'll be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, man, I do. I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>way to spend time with people who mean something in

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<v Speaker 1>your life, and you get a chance to really bond

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<v Speaker 1>I think in hunting trips and fishing trips and things.

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<v Speaker 3>Of that nature.

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch Lions, Mitch Lions Health wealth dot Com joining us

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<v Speaker 1>here on ex'es and bros. Don't forget the Mitch Lions

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<v Speaker 1>well poll question. He's got the book Retirement of Steel,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got the documentary Retirement Deception, and my favorite, the

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<v Speaker 1>retirement red zone that really helps protect and create more

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<v Speaker 1>income as you get older. Michigan State in need of

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<v Speaker 1>a new athletic director. Alan Haller's out after three and

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<v Speaker 1>a half year is he did some really good things.

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Nightingale was a higher of his, Jonathan Smith was

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<v Speaker 1>a higher of his. What are the what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think Michigan State is looking for in their new athletic director.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the game has changed. Allen's a great guy. I

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<v Speaker 2>came into Michigan State with Allen back in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>eight as a freshman on the football team, so I

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of love and respect for Allen. But

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<v Speaker 2>the game has changed completely. It's a professional league now,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've got to have somebody out there that can

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<v Speaker 2>rally the spartan faithful to give a lot of cash

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<v Speaker 2>because at the end of the day, it's all about nil.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>These kids are not loyal to a school. The game

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<v Speaker 2>has changed. It's just it's not like when I grew

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<v Speaker 2>up and when you put in your four or five

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<v Speaker 2>years or put in three years of time to even

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<v Speaker 2>step on a field, because these kids are long gone

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<v Speaker 2>by then they're going to chase, you know, chase the dollar.

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<v Speaker 2>Or the opportunity elsewhere, and it's just it's just different.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's going to be haves and have nots really

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<v Speaker 2>quick if it's not already. And Michigan State's in danger

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<v Speaker 2>of becoming the have not if they don't get, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>raise the cash. And I hate it personally. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like where the college football game has gone.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week Wednesday night, I was at the Detroit Athletic Club.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually thought I was going to see you there.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Izzo was there, Greg Campy was there, the president

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<v Speaker 1>of the NCAA was there, George Gervin was there. We

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about nil Is so brought up some incredible points,

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<v Speaker 1>some really good points. But I was talking with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the big donors afterwards, and I just asked him,

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<v Speaker 1>how many times can you dip in to that financial well,

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<v Speaker 1>asking for these guys over and over and over again

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<v Speaker 1>for money to spend on players. What's the end game

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<v Speaker 1>in this situation? Do you think where you're constantly asking

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<v Speaker 1>for big donors for money.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the thing, how high can it go? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no salary cap in college sports right right, at

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<v Speaker 2>least in pros. You've got you know, two three four

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<v Speaker 2>year contracts that the players have to adhere to. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a I mean, you know these kids can

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<v Speaker 2>take money in January and leave before September and shoot,

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<v Speaker 2>then you have to pay the money back.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know how much do they ask for it? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna want more than a kid down the road

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<v Speaker 2>that's making you know, ten thousand dollars more than they

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<v Speaker 2>are this year. So I don't know where it stops, Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's uh, you know again, I don't like it

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<v Speaker 2>at one bed. It's killed. Honestly, it's killed. It for

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<v Speaker 2>me as a fan, I don't know who's on the

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<v Speaker 2>team from year to year. And I'm all about capitalism,

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<v Speaker 2>but this to me is killing. Is killing the sport

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<v Speaker 2>or four fans.

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<v Speaker 1>When you talk with friends and you're at your tailgates

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<v Speaker 1>in each lanting before games, are they giving you similar

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<v Speaker 1>feedback than what you're feeling right now? Does that help justify?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's the way I feel too, because we are torn,

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<v Speaker 1>You and I are torn on this situation because we

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<v Speaker 1>both believe these kids deserve to be compensated. But as

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<v Speaker 1>I've said for the last far, or five years. This

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<v Speaker 1>is pay to play. It's not an il Andzo said

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing on Wednesday night. What's the feedback you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting from a lot of college football college basketball fans

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's much the same as it's how

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<v Speaker 2>I feel, right. I mean, we all follow Michigan State

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<v Speaker 2>because we love Michigan State. I don't get the impression

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, all these kids are in love with

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan State as much as maybe we are, right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's hey, where can I go and get paid?

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<v Speaker 2>And I get it. Man if I was eighteen years old,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty years old, listen, I didn't come from money,

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<v Speaker 2>so I would have been excited doing backflips for somebody

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<v Speaker 2>to hand me one hundred bucks, much less, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a million dollars. So I get it from that standpoint.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, as a fan, I really don't like it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know it's killing it.

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<v Speaker 1>You did you see the clip of Shaduur Sanders with

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<v Speaker 1>a call of Tom Brady, Deon Sanders, Tom.

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<v Speaker 3>Brady, Shadever Sanders.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not, Okay, So Dean Sanders is asking Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Brady if his son should be worried about a Rolls

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<v Speaker 1>Royce because he's got a Rolls Rice and Tom Brady

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<v Speaker 1>says his ass should be in the film room. He

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<v Speaker 1>should be more worried about film than cars, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>I think that puts it, Yeah, exactly, but that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of puts it in a pretty good perspective, coming from

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<v Speaker 1>one of the grace of all time. All Right, before

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<v Speaker 1>I let you go, Mitch Lyonswealth dot Com joining us

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<v Speaker 1>here on Mondays with Mitch the Pistons run.

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<v Speaker 3>And the difference of clutch players.

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Brunson hits that big clutch shot to finish off

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<v Speaker 1>the Pistons and people view him as one of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest clutch players of all time. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>little premature. What does it take to be the clutch player?

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<v Speaker 1>And what is your overall thought on how the Pistons

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<v Speaker 1>did this year, surprising so many from fourteen wins a

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<v Speaker 1>year ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, clutch player man is just mentally tough, unbridled confidence

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<v Speaker 2>in yourself right and knowing you're not always going to

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<v Speaker 2>make that shot, but it doesn't affect you, right like

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brunson. You know, whatever he turns the ball over,

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<v Speaker 2>he makes a miss is a shot. He's coming right

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<v Speaker 2>back at you right the next time. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like MJ or Kobe, Right. I mean, just absolute confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not because they're just cocky. It's because they've

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<v Speaker 2>earned that confidence training at the highest level. Right. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't you don't rise to the occasion, you sink to

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<v Speaker 2>your level of training. And these guys that are stepping

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<v Speaker 2>up like that, that's because they practice at game speed.

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<v Speaker 2>They they train at game speed, and they have ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>confidence because of it. Now, as far as the pistons, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>No, go ahead, Yeah, a lot of pistons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pistons. I mean, I think there's a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>be excited about. It was a great series. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they've got a lot of young players that have never

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<v Speaker 2>been in that situation. Uh, they've got some players that

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<v Speaker 2>had been. But you know, I think that that was

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<v Speaker 2>a fantastic six game series. They're gonna they're gonna learn

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<v Speaker 2>a lot from that. I don't think they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to get past the Celtics ultimately anyway. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>as far as you know, Caid uh, taking the next

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<v Speaker 2>step next year, you know, maybe playing a little better

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<v Speaker 2>down the stretch, he's been there. Hopefully he'll gain from

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<v Speaker 2>that experience, and uh, you know, they'll get some guys,

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<v Speaker 2>some guys back from injury that they didn't have on

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<v Speaker 2>the playoff roster, and I'm sure they're gonna, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>try to improve.

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<v Speaker 3>Through free agency.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the future is really bright and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>excited for the Pistons.

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<v Speaker 1>Love the perspective, Love the website Mitch Lionswealth dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>the book, the documentary, and the advice. Always great to

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<v Speaker 1>visit with you. We'll talk soon. Thanks a lot, Mitch

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. As always, on Mondays with Mitch