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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome to Guardians' Weekly. Shimros in house along
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Speaker 2: and man do we need that. If you're listening to
Speaker 2: this show in Northeast Ohio, you know it has been
Speaker 2: a rough week weatherwise with sub zero temperatures, but hopefully
Speaker 2: some baseball talk on the radio warms you up. And
Speaker 2: we are not far from spring training. Beginning. February eleventh
Speaker 2: is the day that pitchers and catchers report, the seventeenth
Speaker 2: the full squad reports, and the eighteenth is the first
Speaker 2: full squad workout, with the first game action on the
Speaker 2: twenty second against the Reds, So it's coming quickly. Most players,
Speaker 2: or at least a lot of them, are out in
Speaker 2: goodyear already. Great show lined up for you today and
Speaker 2: just a little bit we will hear from Shane Bieber
Speaker 2: had a chance to visit with Shane earlier this week
Speaker 2: after he signed a contract to remain in Cleveland this
Speaker 2: past December, a one year deal with a player option
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six, and a lot of good reasons why,
Speaker 2: and he'll outline those as we hear from Shane in
Speaker 2: just a little bit. And after our break, hope you
Speaker 2: can stay with us for the second half of the
Speaker 2: show as Paul Hoyins will join us. The Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame voting wrapped up this week and the Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame inductees were announced on Tuesday. See see Sabbathia, the
Speaker 2: former Cleveland Indian he'll be going in along with each
Speaker 2: he Row, the unbelievable hitter who came over from Japan
Speaker 2: and took Major League Baseball by storm, and one of
Speaker 2: the top closers of his day, Billy Wagner, all making
Speaker 2: it in and always interesting to get Hoyinsey's perspective on that.
Speaker 2: He's a longtime writer for the Cleveland Plaindealer in Cleveland
Speaker 2: dot com and always has a pretty balanced opinion on
Speaker 2: who should and who shouldn't go in. And we'll talk
Speaker 2: to him about the ten players that he voted for
Speaker 2: the three that go in. All kinds of good stuff
Speaker 2: coming up from Paul Hoyins after our break in the
Speaker 2: second half of our show, But first some news. The
Speaker 2: notes for the Guardians a nice acquisition earlier this week.
Speaker 2: The bullpen was such a key a year ago, and
Speaker 2: they have lost a couple of members of that bullpen
Speaker 2: due to trades to other ball clubs in Nick Sandlin
Speaker 2: and Eli Morgan, so depth wise are looking to replenish that.
Speaker 2: Trevor Stephen should return to the ball club at some
Speaker 2: point on his way back from Tommy John surgery, and
Speaker 2: earlier this week, the Guardian signed free agent reliever Paul Seewald,
Speaker 2: who has had a fine career with a couple of
Speaker 2: different clubs, and most recently, his top work came with
Speaker 2: Arizona back in twenty twenty three when the Diamondbacks made
Speaker 2: that great run to the World Series and gave Texas
Speaker 2: all it could handle. Seawald was a trade deadline acquisition,
Speaker 2: ended up saving six games in the postseason for Arizona
Speaker 2: and was a huge, huge key for that ball club.
Speaker 2: He's thirty four years of age now, so he'll provide
Speaker 2: some good experience in the back end of that bullpen
Speaker 2: and certainly help out a Manuel class A with some
Speaker 2: closing opportunities you figure on the days where class is down.
Speaker 2: Seawald has been a reliever throughout his career, first with
Speaker 2: the Mets, and then he moved on to Seattle where
Speaker 2: he established himself as a pretty good closer thirty four
Speaker 2: saves back in that twenty three season. Last year, some
Speaker 2: injuries set him back a little bit, limited to forty
Speaker 2: two games, so he'll be looking to bounce back from that.
Speaker 2: But the Guardian's looking forward to having Paul Seawald in
Speaker 2: the fold as they head in to spring training, and
Speaker 2: they are also looking forward to seeing Shane Bieber back
Speaker 2: with the ball club. He won't be ready in spring
Speaker 2: training as his Tommy John surgery rest and rehab still
Speaker 2: has a ways to go. I think it's safe to
Speaker 2: say probably around mid season. He'll let us know here shortly.
Speaker 2: But just what are you getting with Bieber? Obviously the
Speaker 2: Guardians a crown jewel in their development system for pitching.
Speaker 2: He's now twenty nine years of age and he's sixty
Speaker 2: two and thirty two in one hundred and thirty four
Speaker 2: major league starts with an ERA of three point two
Speaker 2: to two. Last year halted after just two brilliant starts
Speaker 2: when he worked twelve innings and allowed no runs, but
Speaker 2: then the elbow blew out on him and that was
Speaker 2: it he had the Tommy John surgery in April. The
Speaker 2: high water mark for Bieber the cy young season back
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty when he was eight and one in
Speaker 2: the COVID shortened season, but a remarkable ERA of one
Speaker 2: point sixty three as he won Major League Baseball's Triple
Speaker 2: Crown with wins, ERA and strikeouts leading the way in
Speaker 2: all of those categories in the Big leagues. Made the
Speaker 2: All Star team in twenty nineteen and it was here
Speaker 2: in Cleveland, and won the Most Valuable Player award as
Speaker 2: he struck out the side in his only inning of work.
Speaker 2: And he will provide again more steadying influence in that clubhouse.
Speaker 2: And when we come back, we'll hear from Shane Bieber.
Speaker 2: Great to catch up with him his interview next on
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Speaker 2: Bieber's reading now the O two.
Speaker 4: Strike three ball, he was guessing breaking ball, locked them
Speaker 4: up with a fastball and canasion is biab seven strike
Speaker 4: out victim. Welcome back to Guardian's Weekly, joining us now
Speaker 4: Guardian's pitcher, and it's great to be able to say
Speaker 4: that again. Shane Bieber back in the fold after signing
Speaker 4: a on track this past December, and he will complete
Speaker 4: his rehab with Cleveland and hopefully be ready at some
Speaker 4: point in time this season. And Shane, great to have
Speaker 4: you on and great to know that you're back in
Speaker 4: a Cleveland uniform.
Speaker 5: Thanks Rosie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, likewise, my family and I are extremely excited to
Speaker 6: just stay in Cleveland and to see this out. And
Speaker 6: there's a lot of unfinished business and yeah, I will
Speaker 6: be ready and I will be ready to rock as
Speaker 6: soon as possible and help contribute on the field.
Speaker 5: I can't wait for that.
Speaker 7: All.
Speaker 2: Right, Before we get to the semi important stuff, the
Speaker 2: really important stuff. When is the young Bieber gonna hit
Speaker 2: the world. How's that going with you and Karen?
Speaker 6: I appreciate that preface. Yeah, perspectives are changing very quickly but.
Speaker 5: Very soon. My wife Kara, she's.
Speaker 6: Putting on an absolute clinic and she's doing fantastic in
Speaker 6: her pregnancy. She's absolutely glowing and showing her beauty inside out.
Speaker 6: So we're enjoying this process in this time, especially right
Speaker 6: before training in the season starts and things get hectic
Speaker 6: on I guess a bunch of different levels, like like
Speaker 6: you kind of mentioned.
Speaker 2: Well, certainly great news and hopefully everything continues to progress nicely.
Speaker 2: And when you talk about progress, obviously you're coming back
Speaker 2: from Tommy John surgery. Where are you in that process
Speaker 2: now and what are some of the next steps that
Speaker 2: you look forward to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, great question. I'm out to one hundred and twenty feet.
Speaker 6: I'm in a couple of weeks of throwing at one
Speaker 6: hundred and twenty feet and relatively high intensity. I'm building
Speaker 6: volume and intensity week by week, and I'm feeling really good, Rosie,
Speaker 6: really encouraged with my progress and how steady everything's been.
Speaker 6: I'm really just trying to do this as best as
Speaker 6: I possibly can, leave no stone unturned, and you know,
Speaker 6: I want to do this once, and I want to
Speaker 6: do this right, and you know, get back as soon
Speaker 6: as possible and be as strong as I possibly can
Speaker 6: when I do get back on that big league mount.
Speaker 6: So you know, I'm just trying to put one foot
Speaker 6: in front of the other, and like I said, I'm
Speaker 6: I'm I'm stretching out my catch play and hopefully i'll
Speaker 6: touch around here soon. I'm learning a lot about myself
Speaker 6: and just this process in general.
Speaker 5: It's you know, it's a.
Speaker 6: Whole new elbow, a whole new ligament that's getting activated
Speaker 6: to an unnatural motion of throwing right. And my I
Speaker 6: guess my old ligament had you know, twenty plus years
Speaker 6: to do that. And so we're expediting this one in
Speaker 6: in twelve months or whatever it may be. And so
Speaker 6: I'm just enjoying the process. Everything's going extremely well, and
Speaker 6: I'm happy to share that.
Speaker 2: Hey, that old one serves you really well, by the way. Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Shane Bieber joining us back with with Cleveland and Shane
Speaker 2: talk about that process. What what when you look deep
Speaker 2: into it, what was the determining factor to have you
Speaker 2: re sign with Cleveland.
Speaker 6: There's so many Rosie, I can't narrow it down to
Speaker 6: just one. You know, there's a, uh, I guess in
Speaker 6: a sense, a lot of intangibles that came signing with Cleveland.
Speaker 6: The familiarity, the comfortability, the love for the community and
Speaker 6: the fans, and the love received from the community and
Speaker 6: the fans and the organization and the people that really
Speaker 6: make it go. It goes a long way. And my
Speaker 6: wife and I really felt that since the moment we
Speaker 6: stepped foot into progressive field and so just to have
Speaker 6: those relationships both in the clubhouse, uh, in the media room,
Speaker 6: in the locker room, on the field, in the training room,
Speaker 6: and uh and with the coaching staff, I think it
Speaker 6: goes a long way. Especially the position that I'm in
Speaker 6: right now, rehabbing from from Tommy John and you know,
Speaker 6: hoping to be back.
Speaker 5: In the in the you know, middle of the season.
Speaker 6: And UH, it's just like I said, a lot of intangibles,
Speaker 6: and we're just extatic to have that opportunity and to
Speaker 6: receive that vote of confidence from you know, Cleveland and
Speaker 6: they know where I'm at in my rehab process, and
Speaker 6: you know, I didn't want to I didn't want to
Speaker 6: go anywhere else, so we're very happy to be coming back.
Speaker 2: When you look back at last year, and I know,
Speaker 2: just having visited with you during the season when you
Speaker 2: came to town, you seem to just be looking forward
Speaker 2: and trying to take those next steps. But was there
Speaker 2: that point in time early on, especially with the start
Speaker 2: that you had, where you just kind of thought out, Wow,
Speaker 2: what could have been both personally and team wise too?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Gusie. The question is just it was a gutshot.
Speaker 6: It really was, and it took a while for me
Speaker 6: to go through those emotions and try and process it,
Speaker 6: you know, healthily and correctly. And you know, I was
Speaker 6: able to do that relatively quick, but didn't want to
Speaker 6: force anything, and it was really difficult. And part of
Speaker 6: what made it difficult is kind of the success that
Speaker 6: I was able to pitch with even with elbow, And
Speaker 6: ultimately it was it was pretty obvious when we got
Speaker 6: the MRI and and spoke with you know, Cleveland's experts
Speaker 6: and external experts and my surgeon who ended up doing it,
Speaker 6: and doctor Keith Meister that you know, we had to
Speaker 6: address this surgically, so it was really, uh, it was
Speaker 6: a tough man.
Speaker 5: It was really tough having felt.
Speaker 6: So good in the offseason, and I thought I was past,
Speaker 6: you know, any arm or elbow troubles, and unfortunately I
Speaker 6: just wasn't. And it was a little bit inevitable, so
Speaker 6: to speak. So I had to address it surgically, like
Speaker 6: I said, And it was a gut shot. But all things,
Speaker 6: I'm a believer that you know, things happen for a
Speaker 6: reason and.
Speaker 5: And uh, and there's a path for for everything.
Speaker 6: And I really do feel like I've grown a lot
Speaker 6: from this, both you know, professionally and personally, and so
Speaker 6: I'm I'm excited to to get back on the mound
Speaker 6: when the time is right, and and to help this
Speaker 6: team win and uh for a playoff push and and
Speaker 6: to and to mow down in the playoffs too.
Speaker 2: And they had a playoff bush a year ago and
Speaker 2: and just a wonderful season. You were around several different times,
Speaker 2: especially during the postseason. How important was that for you
Speaker 2: to to be around that while your teammates we were
Speaker 2: having that good success.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was extremely important to me to my family
Speaker 6: throughout the season as well. You know, I wasn't able
Speaker 6: to be there the entire time. We send most of
Speaker 6: our Tommy John guys too good year where you know,
Speaker 6: you kind of get hands on care daily, and so
Speaker 6: I was doing the lion share of my rehab there.
Speaker 6: But you know, we we we spoke about that throughout
Speaker 6: the season periodically, but the playoffs more specifically, it was awesome.
Speaker 6: I was I was there to experience, to try and
Speaker 6: provide any sort of value that I that I possibly could,
Speaker 6: or wisdom or for for whoever, whether they were a pitcher, hitter, or.
Speaker 5: You know, whatever position.
Speaker 6: So I was happy to be there jack some life
Speaker 6: if if the guys needed it, but they really didn't.
Speaker 5: They did fantastic all year. It was It was an
Speaker 5: awesome season to watch.
Speaker 6: It was really difficult, you know, just being a competitor
Speaker 6: and an athlete, and I was looking so forward to
Speaker 6: the to the season you know that we had last year,
Speaker 6: and so it was different, different.
Speaker 5: I had to watch it from a different perspective, but
Speaker 5: you know, I was able to take it in and
Speaker 5: enjoy it all the same.
Speaker 6: So I was happy to be there for those guys,
Speaker 6: supporting them in their playoff moments.
Speaker 2: Shane Bieber joining us back with the Guardians as he
Speaker 2: comes back from Tommy John surgery and Shane you mentioned earlier,
Speaker 2: there are just so many people involved to help you
Speaker 2: in this situation, but also who have helped you become
Speaker 2: the pitcher that you've been in the major leagues. And
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting CC Sabatia inducted or at
Speaker 2: least voted into the Hall of Fame, will be inducted
Speaker 2: this summer in cooper'stown, a long time Cleveland Indian, and
Speaker 2: he gave so much credit to Carl Willis for really
Speaker 2: shit who he became as a pitcher. And I know
Speaker 2: there's a lot of different coaches that have touched you
Speaker 2: along the years, but uh, what is Carl meant to you,
Speaker 2: especially in recent seasons.
Speaker 5: Yeah, first of all, congratulations to cec.
Speaker 6: He and his family are incredible and they've done wonderful
Speaker 6: things for the MLB and people all over. So I
Speaker 6: was really happy to see him. There's never a doubt really,
Speaker 6: but for him to get that recognition that he definitely
Speaker 6: deserves was was awesome. And that for him to kind of,
Speaker 6: you know, seek out and mentioned how much Carl has
Speaker 6: done for him is is really truly special. It says
Speaker 6: a lot about the person that Carl is the teacher
Speaker 6: and the role model that that he can be for
Speaker 6: not just CC but for everybody, and so it definitely
Speaker 6: feel that way personally. He's a tremendous coach, a tremendous mentor,
Speaker 6: and he's I mean, his resume speaks.
Speaker 5: To itself right and he does.
Speaker 6: He's done some incredible things with some incredible talents along
Speaker 6: the way. So I'm really really happy to be to
Speaker 6: be back and to be with the same crew and
Speaker 6: Carls no exception there.
Speaker 2: And closing Shane Obviously, over the course of the off
Speaker 2: season there have been some moves made as the team
Speaker 2: tries to reconfigure itself and make another good postseason push.
Speaker 2: What have you seen heading into the season and where's
Speaker 2: your optimism level as you get closer to spring training.
Speaker 5: H Yeah, I mean I'm on my way back right
Speaker 5: now from good year.
Speaker 6: Currently and been going in there just about daily, and
Speaker 6: everybody's excited. Everybody that's coming in a lot more guys
Speaker 6: coming in next week. Been touching base with them via text,
Speaker 6: and everybody's doing really, really well and excited to get rolling,
Speaker 6: that's for sure. Off season seems to go quicker and
Speaker 6: quicker every year, but we're excited to get going for
Speaker 6: spring training, and yeah, there are moves that are made
Speaker 6: and it's the same thing every offseason.
Speaker 5: It's I guess it's part of the job.
Speaker 6: And we're excited to you know, get into the get
Speaker 6: into the swing of things with the first few days
Speaker 6: of spring training and learn what this new group's all about.
Speaker 6: And you know, the culture stays the same, even though
Speaker 6: we rotate some names on the lockers, and you know, the.
Speaker 5: End goal is always the same, so we're excited to
Speaker 5: work towards that.
Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have you back and being a
Speaker 2: part of that at some point in time this summer.
Speaker 2: Shane Bieber, thanks so much for coming.
Speaker 5: By, Rosie. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Thank you at Shane Bieber. Always great to catch up
Speaker 2: with Shane and he is really looking forward to getting
Speaker 2: back on the mound and again, ye he wants to
Speaker 2: take it cautious and not skip any steps. And Cleveland's
Speaker 2: rehab and training staff or a adamant about that and
Speaker 2: getting players back to full health before they turn them loose.
Speaker 2: They did a great job with Matthew Boyd a year
Speaker 2: ago when he came back. He was a big key
Speaker 2: down the stretch coming off. Tommy John Surgery, and they'll
Speaker 2: look to do the same with Shane Bieber coming up
Speaker 2: next season. When we come back, we'll hear from Paul Hoynes,
Speaker 2: the longtime writer for the Cleveland Plaindealer in Cleveland dot Com.
Speaker 2: We'll talk Hall of Fame voting. Three new members going
Speaker 2: in in Cooperstown in July. That's next on the Cleveland
Speaker 2: Clinic Guardians Radio.
Speaker 8: Network from Jacobs Field in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. It is
Speaker 8: game number five as today the Cleveland Indians and the
Speaker 8: Baltimore Orioles play in the rubber match of this three
Speaker 8: game series. Let's face it, guys, all eyes today are
Speaker 8: on a twenty year old behemoth of a young man
Speaker 8: six seven cc Sabathia. You don't have many of these
Speaker 8: special moments this early in the year.
Speaker 2: This should be something.
Speaker 9: Well and what you begin to wonder, Tom and we
Speaker 9: shall see whether this defines the Indians franchise now for
Speaker 9: the next ten to twelve years. This is one kid
Speaker 9: who they have been pointing to as a part of
Speaker 9: the future, and the future has arrived for cc SA.
Speaker 8: Matthews Brady Anderson leads off the wind in the very
Speaker 8: first Major League Golf bring us as straight for CC
Speaker 8: Samathia a ninety five mile an hour fastball, and Brady
Speaker 8: Anderson got a quick look at the future.
Speaker 6: Here's a fun place to play.
Speaker 3: I really love this city, really enjoy it, and this
Speaker 3: place holds a special place in my heart.
Speaker 6: I wish we would won the championship.
Speaker 10: He's had a Hall of Fame caliber career both on
Speaker 10: and off the field, because not only is he an
Speaker 10: exceedingly good competitor, but he's universally respected as a teammate
Speaker 10: and as a leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Guardians Weekly, and it's been a big
Speaker 2: weekend baseball as the Hall of Fame votevoting was announced
Speaker 2: and heading into the Hall of Fame longtime closer Billy Wagner,
Speaker 2: one of the best hitters of his generation both here
Speaker 2: and in Japan. Each ye row and someone near and
Speaker 2: there to Cleveland fans certainly see see Sabbatia he'll be
Speaker 2: going in as well. And we are joined now by
Speaker 2: Paul Hoyins from the Cleveland Plaindealer Cleveland dot com, longtime
Speaker 2: baseball writer with a vote in terms of Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame and hoyinsey no surprises really for you that the
Speaker 2: three that got in and maybe some that did not.
Speaker 11: No, Rosie, I thought all three of those guys, CEC
Speaker 11: each Row and Billy Wagner would get in. You know,
Speaker 11: I had a little concern about CC maybe not making
Speaker 11: it on the first ballot, but you know, I'm glad
Speaker 11: he did.
Speaker 12: So, Yeah, I had, and I voted for all three
Speaker 12: of those guys. Rosie and for CC.
Speaker 2: What were those concerns that you thought might leave him
Speaker 2: off on that first ballot?
Speaker 11: Well, you know, he has a high ERA uh you
Speaker 11: know postseason uh you know, record is not is you know,
Speaker 11: it's not great. It's not you know, as as uh
Speaker 11: you know, as prominent as his regular season stats. But
Speaker 11: other than that, I you know, I just you know,
Speaker 11: you know, people are hung up on the ERA issue.
Speaker 11: It kept uh you know, Jack Morris out of the
Speaker 11: out of the balloting for the at least for the
Speaker 11: Baseball writers, uh you know, and he finally had to
Speaker 11: get elected by an ERA committee.
Speaker 12: Uh So well, you know that that was my one concern.
Speaker 11: But I think when you look at CC's body of
Speaker 11: work and uh, you know, two hundred and fifty one wins,
Speaker 11: he wins the World Series Championship, Uh, Cy Young winner
Speaker 11: and Rosie the way.
Speaker 12: Managers use starters.
Speaker 11: Now, what do you think, do you think we'll ever
Speaker 11: see another pitcher like this win two hundred and fifty
Speaker 11: one games? I mean, you know so, so then you know,
Speaker 11: I think that that was enough in my mind to
Speaker 11: you know, to put him in the in Cooper's South.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think two hundred wins is the new three
Speaker 2: hundred that it used to be, just the way starting
Speaker 2: pitchers are being used now, and it might be, gosh,
Speaker 2: two fifty one might be just too far of a
Speaker 2: reach now based on on the lack of innings and
Speaker 2: not going five and all that kind of kind of
Speaker 2: thing that you see nowadays much more often. Did Did
Speaker 2: that maybe tip it for Billy Wagner? Just the way
Speaker 2: he performed as a reliever, And you might see more
Speaker 2: relievers getting in because of how they're used.
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, you know, i'd like, I'm glad the closers
Speaker 11: are getting more of a run now. You know, Wagner,
Speaker 11: this was his last year of eligibility. He had, you know,
Speaker 11: just missed last year seventy three point eight percent of
Speaker 11: the vote. He needs seventy five percent to get in,
Speaker 11: So you know, I was glad I was, you know,
Speaker 11: I was happy that he got in. I mean he
Speaker 11: kind of cut short his career short. You know, he
Speaker 11: wanted to go home and be with his kids. I think,
Speaker 11: you know, he still had a couple of years left
Speaker 11: and and another guy that didn't pitch all that well
Speaker 11: in the postseason. But you know, twelve seasons a twenty
Speaker 11: or more saves, nine seasons with thirty or more, you know,
Speaker 11: four hundred and twenty two saves overall two point three
Speaker 11: one era.
Speaker 12: You know, I think he deserved to be in, Rosie and.
Speaker 2: With each yearro how much did you consider his Japanese
Speaker 2: career or is that not on the docket for you
Speaker 2: guys to to consider a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean you can consider that, I guess, you know,
Speaker 11: if you know, if you do that, he's got over
Speaker 11: four thousand hits, right.
Speaker 12: But I think he got it.
Speaker 11: I just took it, as you know, you know from
Speaker 11: his big league stats, and you know, it's really amazing
Speaker 11: when you think about it. This guy was twenty seven
Speaker 11: when he came over here, Rosie, when he came over
Speaker 11: from Japan, and what the Onyx Blue Waves he played with,
Speaker 11: I think and this guy what he still gets three
Speaker 11: thousand hits here, ten time Goal Globe winner, a Rookie
Speaker 11: of the Year, ten time All Star, and the thing
Speaker 11: that kind of blows your mind, you know what what
Speaker 11: he had ten ten straight seasons of two hundred or
Speaker 11: more hits, and you know, he set the all time
Speaker 11: record with you know, over two hundred and sixty hits
Speaker 11: in one year.
Speaker 12: Just you know, that's incredible.
Speaker 11: And you know, I remember Rosie when the when the
Speaker 11: idiots first got there, they got their first look at
Speaker 11: each row. You know, that was when they had Robbie
Speaker 11: Alamar at second base and omarv. Skelle at second at
Speaker 11: short I said, I should say, and those guys, you
Speaker 11: know what about twenty five maybe almost close to thirty
Speaker 11: gold gloves between them, and when they from they got
Speaker 11: the first look at each row. The first game, you know,
Speaker 11: he kind of beat out a couple infield hits.
Speaker 12: They had to move up, you know, they had to
Speaker 12: move in.
Speaker 11: Both you know, you're talking about two of the best
Speaker 11: infielders in baseball history, you know, showing their respect for
Speaker 11: this guy. They had to take a couple of steps
Speaker 11: in to play their positions just just to be able
Speaker 11: to throw them out.
Speaker 2: So with all that, one voter said, no, he does
Speaker 2: not deserve to go in. Yet that wasn't you.
Speaker 12: Was it Hointy, No, it wasn't us. Thank god, How
Speaker 12: does that happen?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 12: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 11: You know, you look back at the history of the
Speaker 11: Hall of Fame. You know, Mariano Rivere is the only
Speaker 11: guy with you know that that got one hundred percent
Speaker 11: of the vote. You know, Johnny Bench didn't, Babe Ruth didn't,
Speaker 11: Honus Wagner didn't.
Speaker 12: You know, Roberto Clemente didn't. You know. All in all,
Speaker 12: you know, go down the line with the greatest players
Speaker 12: in the history of the game.
Speaker 11: None of them got, you know, one hundred percent of
Speaker 11: the vote except you know Rivera. So you know, I
Speaker 11: don't know what point this the voter was trying to prove.
Speaker 11: I'd love to hear an explanation from him or her,
Speaker 11: but you know, I doubt they'll make that ballot public.
Speaker 2: Willie Mays, I think was left off twenty three ballots
Speaker 2: on his first year or the year he got in.
Speaker 2: Something remarkable in the amount of people who didn't think
Speaker 2: he was a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 11: But and I think, you know, I think that the
Speaker 11: voting body has changed a lot, or Rosie, I think
Speaker 11: it's gotten younger, and I think that leads to more
Speaker 11: the potential for more guys to get in. On one
Speaker 11: hundred percent of the vote, I'm still scratching my head
Speaker 11: over each ear.
Speaker 2: Although Paul Hoynes joining us as his ballot was in
Speaker 2: and the Hall of Fame voting is complete with C. C. Sabatia,
Speaker 2: Ichi Ro and Billy Agner going in. So you voted
Speaker 2: for ten, so seven did not make it biggest surprise
Speaker 2: for you that you voted for that did not get in.
Speaker 11: You know, I thought Carlos Beltran would get in, Rosie.
Speaker 11: I thought he had a great chance, and he came close.
Speaker 11: I think he'll get in in the next couple of years.
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 11: People are still holding the Houston signed seats stealing scandal
Speaker 11: against them. That might, you know, have hurt him. But
Speaker 11: I think eventually he's going to get in.
Speaker 2: And some of the others that you voted for that
Speaker 2: did not get in, that you feel are still worthy.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'll run down the guys I voted for, Mark Burley,
Speaker 11: Tory Hunter, Andrew Jones, Dustin Pedroia, Francisco Rodriguez.
Speaker 12: And Omar Viscal. Those are the guys I voted for
Speaker 12: that didn't get in.
Speaker 11: You know, we can talk about the and you are
Speaker 11: you interested in talking about any of those guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I'm obviously close to Cleveland fans
Speaker 2: Omarvis skel Uh. Even even if off field things are resolved,
Speaker 2: has it been too much to overcome at this point?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 11: I think he's you know, unfortunately, I think Omar if
Speaker 11: he does get in the Hall of Fame, it's not
Speaker 11: going to be.
Speaker 12: By a vote of the writers.
Speaker 11: It'll have to be by one of the era committees,
Speaker 11: you know, slash veteran committees. Because you know, Rosie, this
Speaker 11: guy should be in the Hall of Fame. You know,
Speaker 11: three or four years into his candidacy, he was at
Speaker 11: fifty one percent of the vote, so you know that
Speaker 11: was you know, he was passing guys like Trammel and
Speaker 11: those guys like they were standing still.
Speaker 12: So he's right now he should be in.
Speaker 11: But you know, the problems off the field really scuttled
Speaker 11: his uh, his chances to get in on the BBWA ballot.
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting. Chipper Jones, a teammate of
Speaker 2: Andrew Jones came out yesterday and said, well, if he
Speaker 2: had been with the Yankees, he'd be in by now.
Speaker 2: But you voted for Andrew Jones? How come? And and
Speaker 2: does he have a chance to get in at some
Speaker 2: point in time?
Speaker 11: You think, yeah, I think he was at like I
Speaker 11: think he got probably sixty percent of the vote, you know,
Speaker 11: right around sixty percent of the vote. This year, you
Speaker 11: know this, he'll be in. He'll have two years of
Speaker 11: eligibility left. Hopefully he gets in. And you know I
Speaker 11: voted for him. Rosie, five time All Star, ten time
Speaker 11: Gold Glove winner, twenty or more home runs for ten years,
Speaker 11: led led the National League and home runs with fifty
Speaker 11: one in two thousand and five. Just you know, I think,
Speaker 11: what what what is Hurty Jones is? You know, his
Speaker 11: career kind of it took off. You know, we saw
Speaker 11: him as a teenager break in with the praise, you know,
Speaker 11: have that meteor oric rye. And then he got to
Speaker 11: a certain point in his career and it was just
Speaker 11: like he fell off a cliff. And I think that
Speaker 11: that probably hurt him, has hurt him more than anything.
Speaker 12: But if you go by peak years, I mean, this
Speaker 12: guy's this guy's hard to ignore you.
Speaker 11: I mean, you listened to all those great pitchers that
Speaker 11: the Braves had, Smolts and Clavi and Maddox. They said
Speaker 11: they've never seen a better center fielder. So you know,
Speaker 11: I think that carries some weight with the voters.
Speaker 2: And the one guy that I liked that you you've
Speaker 2: had on for a couple of years now is Mark Burley,
Speaker 2: And not even looking at the numbers, I think he
Speaker 2: should be in just because gosh, I enjoyed watching that
Speaker 2: guy pitch. And I don't know if that comes into
Speaker 2: play or not. Probably not. It's got to be numbers too,
Speaker 2: But why do you think Burley should be in there?
Speaker 11: Yeah? I mean when Burley pitched, Rosie, you know, you
Speaker 11: didn't have to pack of lunch, man, you were out
Speaker 11: of there, and what one fifty nine two hours in
Speaker 11: a couple of minutes it was, you know, so he
Speaker 11: pitched fast, he was efficient. You know, just just listen
Speaker 11: to some of these numbers. Rosie in fourteen years in
Speaker 11: the Big League, in fourteen years is during his career
Speaker 11: he pitched over two hundred innings in each of those seasons,
Speaker 11: five time All Star, four time Gold Glove winner, through
Speaker 11: a perfect game, threw a no hitter.
Speaker 12: I really think he's an underappreciated pitcher. And you know,
Speaker 12: I voted for him.
Speaker 11: The first couple of years on the ballot, I didn't
Speaker 11: vote for him, but then I looked at his stats
Speaker 11: a little more.
Speaker 12: And if you want.
Speaker 11: Consistency out of a starting pitcher, and that's what everybody wants,
Speaker 11: you want a guy that can get you five, six,
Speaker 11: seven innings every time out.
Speaker 12: That's he did that. And you know that's why I
Speaker 12: voted for him.
Speaker 2: Well, when you watched them pitch, you don't see it
Speaker 2: as much anymore. Pitchers who pitched the contact, put the
Speaker 2: ball in play and let their fielders do the work.
Speaker 2: And he was a pleasure to watch. We'll see probably
Speaker 2: a long shot at best, I would think, Yeah, so
Speaker 2: you look ahead the next year. Any locks you think
Speaker 2: for for next season coming on the ballot, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: I have.
Speaker 12: I have not really looked at that, but I haven't
Speaker 12: really studied those guys.
Speaker 11: I don't think there's an each row or a CC
Speaker 11: on on the two thousand and six ballot.
Speaker 12: We'll have to see.
Speaker 11: I think it's you know, and that's kind of opens
Speaker 11: the ballot up to a lot of the guys.
Speaker 12: That we just discussed, and maybe they'll they'll get a
Speaker 12: little more play from the voters.
Speaker 2: All right, Oinsey, Well, always great to have you on
Speaker 2: to talk about Hall of Fame voting. If you want
Speaker 2: to come clean about the each Row thing and admit
Speaker 2: that it was you not voting for him, you can
Speaker 2: do that here one last chance. But if not, I understand.
Speaker 12: Now, I'm staying away from that. Or Rosie, I voted
Speaker 12: for the guy you can look up. You can look
Speaker 12: look it up on my ballot on February fourth.
Speaker 2: Sounds good. Thanks Heinsy. All right, budd At Paul Hoins
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