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So 12 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,519 I really appreciate all the support everyone's giving me, and 13 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:20,159 I hope to expand the show even more than it 14 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:25,079 already has. Thank you so much. I want to welcome 15 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,760 everyone back to the PECAO Show. Thomas is back for 16 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,480 more Syria and Russia talk. How are you doing, Thomas. 17 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:39,159 Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you. I'm not It's been a minute 18 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,680 since we recorded, so if I'm repeating myself, please correct me. 19 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:50,560 So I can't remember exactly where I left off. I 20 00:01:50,599 --> 00:01:54,719 think I think we left all the props and that 21 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:58,000 we were always talking about some of the more recent 22 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,719 scholarship on the ninety seven twenty three war. 23 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:03,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. That's exactly where it was. 24 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, which has something of an outsized significance. It's warranted, 25 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:09,560 I don't I don't mean outsized in the sense that 26 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:18,080 it's emphasized unduly. That really changed the regional security paradigm 27 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,759 in the Near East, exposed a lot of idea of weaknesses. 28 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,560 I mean, don't get me wrong, ideaf On the Egyptian front, 29 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:33,120 they performed exceedingly well. The Syrians, however, caught them lacking 30 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:39,360 in some key capacities, you know, and one of the 31 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:45,759 reasons why Israel is so fixated on Iran. Admittedly, and 32 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:47,520 then yeah, I was very clumsy in the way he 33 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,439 articulates propaganda. I mean that that's just a fact. I 34 00:02:50,439 --> 00:02:54,280 don't think that can be denied. Ariel Sharon didn't have 35 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:58,840 a lot of finesse, but Sharon was something of a 36 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:04,639 military prodigy at these comparative terms. And obviously then Yahoo 37 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:14,120 doesn't possess that skill set. However, the his bloss Syria, 38 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,360 the Syrian Arab army, you know, and in the art 39 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,919 forms of the Russian Federation, you've kind of got to 40 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:32,120 look at all those actors. It's kind of operationally integrated. 41 00:03:33,319 --> 00:03:37,120 You know, there's nothing conspiratorial there. I mean, these are 42 00:03:37,159 --> 00:03:40,439 these are Israel's primary ops okay, And you know we've 43 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:46,639 talked about before, and anybody who is it all knowledgeable 44 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:54,400 about the conflict paradigm dynamics understands that Israel and NATO 45 00:03:55,919 --> 00:04:00,439 to varying degrees back you know, these Salafi elements. Okay, 46 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:07,080 that's something of a detonation strategy, you know, because they 47 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:13,000 identify their their primary ops is is Syria has beil Uh, 48 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:17,160 you know, hasbil a slash Iran, I mean, in all 49 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,000 but name, his was kind of the Iranian foreign Legion, 50 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,959 and the Russian Federation is part of that is like 51 00:04:24,959 --> 00:04:28,000 an essential part of the constellation. And this goes way back. 52 00:04:29,319 --> 00:04:34,639 And that's ket understanding the state of war and peace 53 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:42,759 in and occupied Palestine, and and and and with respect 54 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,639 to the Jewish state. They essentially so they, I mean, 55 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:51,399 Israel essentially has two problems. They've got this internal crisis, 56 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:56,639 demographic crisis relating to the fact that Israel is a 57 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:06,680 racial state, you know, and they've got this unmanageable majoritarian population. 58 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:13,000 It's like super majoritarian population. You know, it's not their 59 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:19,120 strategic situation is not unlike they're the Republic of South 60 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,560 Africa around the time of Bota, you know, when the 61 00:05:23,879 --> 00:05:27,240 when the kind of permanent emergency set in. You know, 62 00:05:27,439 --> 00:05:31,639 I mean, I'm not I'm not comparing Israel to the 63 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,480 Boer Republic at all, unlike cultural or ideological or ethical 64 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:38,560 terms or anything like that. But in terms of the 65 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:44,959 military situation, there's a parallel, you know. And so they've 66 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:51,120 got this internal, this ongoing internal emergency. They've also got 67 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:57,319 this geostrategic problem, you know, with respect to what they 68 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,759 call the Shia Crescent, which I mean, she are obviously 69 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:10,360 very much the minority in darl Islam, but there's there's 70 00:06:10,399 --> 00:06:15,439 a critical kind of like the Shia heartland, you know, 71 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:21,519 is is I ran in Iraq obviously, and it cuts 72 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:27,759 across the region in the webanon. You know, so it's 73 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:39,240 there's a that's that's a very daunting that's a very 74 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:44,839 daunting arrangement, you know, in a general war. It's a 75 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:47,600 discussion of another time, but it kind of begs the question, 76 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:54,600 like why exactly Israel maintains nuclear arms. You know, some 77 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:59,199 people argued it was a prestige and cloud move during 78 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:04,439 the Cold War. Being Preball, he basically suggests it's I 79 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:13,079 guess Sam's a options sort of thing whereby people wouldn't 80 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,519 let Tel Aviv fall because there'd be this uncertainty relating 81 00:07:17,519 --> 00:07:20,160 to what they would do with these weapons of mass destruction. 82 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:24,600 I think that's a bit too imprecise, like it's not 83 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:31,279 really a military imperative. That doesn't mean it's impossible. And 84 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:37,639 Israel is kind of strange in the way they approach 85 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:44,399 things because they're a totally abnormal state, involves novelty a 86 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:50,360 lot and discussions of you know, dialectical processes and things, 87 00:07:50,399 --> 00:08:05,360 and but he was he was kind of reluctant during 88 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,160 the Cold War to like diagnose, like then current strategic matters. 89 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,279 But the exception was kind of the case of Israel, 90 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:17,279 and he made the point that, you know, Israel is 91 00:08:17,319 --> 00:08:20,079 not really Israel's not an anachronism in the way some 92 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,120 people on the left would talk about it and still 93 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,639 do to some degrees. It's not like it's not like 94 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,360 it's a retrograde state like colonial power or something. Despite 95 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,679 you know, a lot of the a lot of the 96 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,120 propaganda in the era of that effect that it derived 97 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,559 from the same kind of like dialectical process and like 98 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:53,759 causal nexus sociologically, historically, ideologically speaking, is the Third Reich 99 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:56,720 in the Soviet Union. Like that's why it's so strange. 100 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:04,279 I mean, obviously, departments in the executive branch they're constantly 101 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,440 claiming it's a liberal democracy, because I mean that that's 102 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:13,639 just a floating signifier that suggests moral approval. But even 103 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,559 even where that's not the case, it would be difficult 104 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:23,080 to describe what exactly Israel is, you know, it just 105 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:30,039 would be because it's it's it's not just an outlier 106 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:37,600 like North Korea is owing to its to a strategic situation, 107 00:09:38,279 --> 00:09:40,039 and it's not like one of these emirates or one 108 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:46,679 of these small countries or constellation of a sovereignties that 109 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:48,799 you know, like rolled by a monarch or something. It's 110 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,879 it's something totally different than that, and it very much 111 00:09:51,919 --> 00:09:58,919 belongs to the twentieth century, the twentieth century dialectic. But anyway, 112 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,679 kind of bring it back. The consensus these days is 113 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,840 essentially that the seventy three War was a stalemate. Okay. 114 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:19,919 I David A. Korn he was a diplomat back when 115 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,679 Department of State was still a tricting quality people. And 116 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:26,360 he's he's written a lot, he's contributed to a lot 117 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:32,080 of articles, especially to publications like Foreign Affairs, you know, 118 00:10:32,159 --> 00:10:37,080 things like that. He's served he served for some time 119 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:41,440 in Tel Aviv as it was called the political officer, 120 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,679 and Hanshu what's called the political section. That's kind of 121 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:52,440 like a halfway. If you're in that role, you're kind 122 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:57,879 of halfway between an intelligence officer and a diplomat, you know. 123 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,559 I mean, everybody who's this signed to a diplomatic posting 124 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:10,080 is in some ways an intelligence representative under light diplomatic power, 125 00:11:10,159 --> 00:11:15,840 and everybody knows that. But guys like Corn they deal 126 00:11:15,919 --> 00:11:20,519 more in diagnostic analysis and things, and they're then they're 127 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:22,799 not just going to cocktail parties and and kind of 128 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:29,399 trying to dominate, you know, palace intrigues and things that 129 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:33,360 determine what the true seat of power is. You know. 130 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:38,399 They they've got a more they got more serious role 131 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:48,720 than that. And he made the point pretty consistently that 132 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:54,200 one of the reasons why the paradigm is so volatile 133 00:11:55,639 --> 00:12:01,759 Israel contra the the Shia Crescent, the states they constitute 134 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:06,320 that do a strategic concept. One of the reasons that's 135 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:13,399 so volatile is because you know, there was the outcome 136 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:15,320 was it's not no, it was a no clear victor 137 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,679 on the Syrian front. Is the outcome is poorly understood, 138 00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:23,480 you know, especially in Israel. It was retrospectively deemed a 139 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:29,960 success because there was some big there. There's some there's 140 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:38,679 some major kills scored by the idea in some cases 141 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,879 where they were pretty seriously outnumbered by combined arms. But 142 00:12:44,159 --> 00:12:48,320 the fact that they kind of convinced themselves of this, 143 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,720 it led to a false sense of security, especially on 144 00:12:51,759 --> 00:12:57,240 the political side of things. The military idea, whatever it's problems, 145 00:12:57,639 --> 00:13:01,440 it's it's military is pretty serious because they have to 146 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:12,840 be to sustain the status quo, you know, and as 147 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:16,799 people on the left, they don't know so much anymore because 148 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:21,679 the intellectal left is kind of dead. But during the 149 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:24,159 Cold War and even yond, like even into the nineties, 150 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:27,240 they make the point that IDF is I mean, yeah, 151 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,399 they've got a National service law in place. You know, 152 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:35,679 it's like young people get drafted, but generally they get 153 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:38,639 drafted into support roles like you're talking about like special 154 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:42,759 operations capable elements and like infantry elements. You basically have 155 00:13:42,799 --> 00:13:45,600 to sign up for that, and the guys who do, 156 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:50,759 they're going to be pretty racialized in the first place. 157 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,519 That's why they want to do that kind of work. 158 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,200 And even if they weren't before, it's going to become 159 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,320 that way. You know, like they there's no pretension and 160 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,120 our army, like the idef of like, hey we're a 161 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,559 political we don't you know, take any position. We're just 162 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:10,159 we're just like loyal to the state. I mean, part 163 00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:12,600 of that is because the fact that you know that 164 00:14:12,799 --> 00:14:18,360 Israel's find itself in a ross and creed. But part 165 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,639 of it also is that you know, again like Israel's 166 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:28,279 not it didn't develop organically like a European country did 167 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,679 or something, So there's not there's not this tradition of 168 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,240 like an Israeli state that's you know, the like the 169 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,000 post medieval heritage of the people who live there or something. 170 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:48,080 You know, Israel is the Jewish state. The way it's 171 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,840 configured isn't really important so long as it is capable 172 00:14:52,879 --> 00:15:03,399 of sustaining that demographic balance and being able to perpetuate 173 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:11,480 its demographic supremacy despite being massively outnumbered. So you're not 174 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:15,919 gonna have I mean even if the just under those 175 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,279 conditions like you can't I mean, I guess I'm getting 176 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:23,519 as you can't extricate those conditions from like ideological and paras. Okay, 177 00:15:23,639 --> 00:15:30,279 so that's probably a force multiplier in some ways. Like 178 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:34,879 when IDF actually goes into action, it can also lead 179 00:15:34,879 --> 00:15:41,080 to some bad outcomes because it's the institutions like that, 180 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,440 particularly military institutions, we're having the wrong opinion can be 181 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:49,440 interpreted as like a breach in doctrine or something. It 182 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:55,639 becomes this kind of like ideological ghetto, you know. And 183 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:01,720 Ehud Barak, he's really the Israeli guy I pay attention to. Okay, 184 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:09,159 he's an interesting guy. He was a military man, you know, 185 00:16:09,159 --> 00:16:16,600 like career idef type, and he's not a particularly charming guy. 186 00:16:16,639 --> 00:16:20,360 But he's really kind of been the only champion of 187 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,679 Jitsuk Rabin's memory, you know, we're being of course, was 188 00:16:24,759 --> 00:16:30,399 unceremoniously murdered in ninety five by this crazy young guy 189 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:39,759 who's like rotting in prison now. But you know, I 190 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:41,519 I'm not going to say there was some conspiracy to 191 00:16:41,559 --> 00:16:45,159 whack Rabin, but a lot of people were happy that 192 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:50,200 that that that happened, and from that point forward, Israel 193 00:16:50,279 --> 00:16:53,320 became a one party state, you know, and Rabine was 194 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:59,399 going to Rabin was was looking to commit to some 195 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,639 way out of the racial war. Okay, I don't think 196 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:05,960 that would have I don't think you ever would have 197 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,720 seen any kind of like formal equality between the populations. 198 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:14,160 Nor was Ravine just gonna throw his hands up and 199 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,640 be forced into the position that the clerk was in 200 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,279 South Africa and just say, okay, we're you know, any 201 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,279 any any any man or woman of majority within Israel Palestine, 202 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:30,319 where we're just gonna have you know, where we're gonna 203 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,160 give them the ballot and see where the ships follow. 204 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,279 That wouldn't have happened, But some kind of extrication from 205 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:47,119 grand apartheid would have happened. Okay, But Barack Ihu Barack, 206 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:52,160 he's the guy who made the point as well. That 207 00:17:54,839 --> 00:18:00,000 really was keeping the Nyahu alive politically. It's the fact 208 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,000 that swapping out the civilian executive or kind of like 209 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:08,920 rendering it headless, like if you don't I was removed 210 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,440 by no confidence or if he was indicted, which you 211 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,119 may very well be if and when this war results. 212 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,400 But the perverse incentives that kind of pursue like bad 213 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,759 strategy is what I'm getting at, okay, and what Barack 214 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:32,839 is getting it. You know, people turn around I know 215 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,920 what I hear from them, and they say, like, well, 216 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,799 how it is real performing. So well, if what you 217 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:43,359 say is true, well two things. Like I said, we're 218 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:48,960 talking about basically two totally different conflicts that are related 219 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,079 and increasingly is she and soon you are breaching the 220 00:18:55,119 --> 00:19:02,319 sectarian divide to tentatively cooperate against the common Zionist enemy. 221 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,319 But the gods of situation and in the situation and 222 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:11,880 in the Levant and Syria is are two different things. 223 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,960 I don't feel comfortable going as far as to say 224 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,079 that they're just like two fronts of the same conflict. 225 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,079 I mean, there's like a common nexus and causes, but 226 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:30,200 it's more complicated than that. However, you know, Idea got 227 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,759 caught lacking when Hamas assaulted it. I think I covered 228 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:37,599 this on a pod, so if I'm repeating myself, forgive me. 229 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:44,920 But you know, on October seventh, Price it's almost been 230 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:56,000 a year, but when Hamas breached the barrier fence, they 231 00:19:56,079 --> 00:19:59,599 assumed that the lead element was going to get wiped out, 232 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,000 you know, basically like a company sized element like storm 233 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:07,119 the mainline of resistance. But when they did that, there 234 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,480 was nobody there, you know, like the Israelis were it 235 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:18,119 was like a skeleton crew that was not abiding any 236 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,519 kind of alert deployment at all. Like some of them 237 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:25,960 were literally sleeping, and Hamas just like waxed them. And 238 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,119 then when they broke through, immediately Hamas like immediately started 239 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,240 storming the breach with like as many men as they 240 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,160 could get through as possible. You know. Then id have 241 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,400 like swarm drones on him and combined arms and sort 242 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,680 of like hosing them with fire. But my point is 243 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,319 that shouldn't have happened in the first place. You know. 244 00:20:43,799 --> 00:20:46,880 That feel like if when that it'd be like if 245 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,599 when it became clear the Russians were going to like 246 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:54,599 assault you know, don Bass to like relieve they're people 247 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,880 who were under pressure there from these guys who were 248 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,839 like supposedly like irregular is like Azo, but were very 249 00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:11,079 obviously you know, very obviously like acting as official you know, 250 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,599 and in the service of the Kya regime. That'd be 251 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,559 like a point it became clear like Russia was going 252 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:20,559 to assault these like as guys, and uh, the Ukrainian 253 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,359 armed forces like preemptively like assaulted them then like broke 254 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,480 through the Russian mainline resistance like ended up in Russia. 255 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,119 Then like the Russians had to reconstitute, like bring up 256 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,480 their bring up, bring their firepower to bear on them, 257 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:38,200 like in the form of like armor and you know, 258 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,319 like hyperbaric artillery and stuff like get the situation under control. 259 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:46,279 Like if that had happened, like Putin would have been gone. 260 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,799 You know that that's that's that's a catastrophic fuck up. 261 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,720 So you know what I'm not. I'm not saying like, oh, 262 00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:58,319 IDF is is like a ship force, because they're not. 263 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:05,000 But there's real problems there, Okay, and this isn't just 264 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,279 like some like intelligence failure or something. But moving on. 265 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: But there were, like immediately immediately after that, there were 266 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:20,000 I was tracking people in the State Department who are retiring, 267 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,480 and there was one specifically, I can't remember his name, 268 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:27,200 but I did an episode with someone else talking about it. 269 00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:32,160 Was that he retired because he was in charge of 270 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:37,839 getting the IDF and getting foreign militaries are weapons and 271 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,880 he said that there were divisions in the IDF that 272 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,079 he was not comfortable with arming. 273 00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that's true. And they've got real problems, 274 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:52,039 you know. Like I I'm not some expert. I know 275 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,359 something about Judaism, like the like the faith, I know 276 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,039 something about their heritage of people. I mean I do. 277 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,880 I am not some expert on the internal situation in Israel, 278 00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:11,039 but I do know that hard line Zionus of the 279 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:16,640 kind you like sustain the military apparatus. Those people are 280 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,519 aging and there's not a lot of young people to 281 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:21,759 replace them. Like there is a hard line Jewish right, 282 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:27,920 but more and more it's that's kind to be constituted 283 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,519 by the people who are called correctly or incorrectly in 284 00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:35,279 cloqual terms like the ultra Orthodox, and they have a 285 00:23:35,319 --> 00:23:39,480 strange they have a strange and somewhat contentious relationship with 286 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:43,680 the military. I mean, Israel's got real problems, you know. 287 00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:48,599 I mean they that they can't be denied. So I 288 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,559 don't I don't doubt that guy's testimony for a minute, 289 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,079 But I mean, like, why would you lie about that 290 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,039 that doesn't if he was going to try and make 291 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,200 if he was going to drop some kind of cap 292 00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:00,880 to try and make the situation seem less severe than 293 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,759 it was, or to try and make Israel look like 294 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:04,920 more cable with your role, Like you wouldn't say that, 295 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:12,160 but you know the degree of which two you know, 296 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,880 Israel had to kind of Israel kind of had to 297 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,240 win in Syria. Okay, if they could have like knocked 298 00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:22,839 out a sod and like crushed the stringer of army 299 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,440 and also like hit Hesiblah and like really really hard 300 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,720 because the idea's been smarting from from their fight with 301 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:36,039 Hezebla in two thousand and six for almost like twenty 302 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,119 years now, you know, they really kind of needed to 303 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,200 make a statement like that. And if if it's if 304 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:49,880 Damasks had gone down in flames and Syria kind of 305 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,880 became partitioned, they the would have been totally fine with 306 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,880 like these lunatic killers like isis controlling like some chunk 307 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,119 of it. You know. Then they wanted to like basically 308 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,440 like you know, create some like fake like Kurdistan like 309 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:06,640 through like you know, a swath of Iraq and like 310 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,960 assimilate part of Syria into that and then probably like 311 00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:13,759 have some some the zone that was like occupied by 312 00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:16,640 America but it was technically like you know, the a 313 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,559 d m Z or something or some kind of like 314 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,279 free zone. So it's like okay, then like basically like 315 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:27,599 they've sown up, They've sown up their problem. And also 316 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,119 too then like the Russians can't like access like their 317 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,640 key port there, like the Russian our Federation can't deploy there. 318 00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:37,759 That would have solved like basically like that, that would 319 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:41,359 have solved like one half of the equation, you know, 320 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,079 and then they could have brought like full firepower to 321 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:49,039 bear and you know, one hundred percent of forces and 322 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,599 being like to bear like on Gaza, and there's really 323 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,480 nothing anybody could do about it. So the Russian the 324 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:58,960 Russians really food barred their program. Like the degree of 325 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,920 which they did I can't be overstated. That's why like 326 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,759 when I say to people, like when I point out 327 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,559 to them the fact that you know, like the Ukrainian 328 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:11,920 War is literally like a secondary front. I mean, it's 329 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,960 not secondary to people there. It's a disaster and it's scale, 330 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,039 it's it's it's just like a they're is suffering and 331 00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:25,559 death is staggering. But I'm saying, like to Israel, that's 332 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:29,000 like a secondary front where they can bring pressure to 333 00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:31,359 bear on Russia. And the fact that when I raise 334 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,960 that to people, they look at me like why would 335 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,480 you say that? It's like you really don't understand that 336 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,359 Russian Israel are like like hate each other. You know, 337 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,319 they're like literally like mortal enemies. You know. It's like 338 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,880 the fact that Putin doesn't like call them the K 339 00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:51,440 word and like shake his fist in the ear and 340 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,559 call for them to be destroyed, like you know, like 341 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,240 you sound like Arab strong man or something. I guess 342 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,240 people have literally minded they can't like compute this or something. 343 00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:05,680 But the fact that like you know, likeever often going 344 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,359 around like calling for some like pogram of like Ukrainian 345 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,200 jewelry or something like. I don't know, I don't know 346 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:18,599 how people can't discern this. But that's really what's so 347 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,039 dangerous about this situation. And that's also why it's also 348 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,640 more like NATO's being so reckless. You know, if it 349 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,599 was just a question of we want to MRK the 350 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:33,160 Russians and moving forward, you know, we we want to 351 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:40,039 ford deployment where we can that's like farther east and 352 00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:44,880 central Visa, the you know, the Central Asian land mass. 353 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,559 You know, then then Germany is that America wouldn't be 354 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,599 going about it. And it's kind of like just like 355 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,160 catastrophically reckless way. It's because it's you know it, this 356 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:02,160 is this is this is like a key front of 357 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,519 basically of of Israel's war to survive and perpetuate it 358 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:11,279 as like the Jewish racial state. You know, that's also 359 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:14,519 what I like ze Lenski's in there like outfront like 360 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:18,319 that that's not good optics at all. And it's not 361 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,839 just said the Ukraineism and Alibi like, oh no, we're not, 362 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,720 you know that, this isn't some criminal psychotic regime. Look 363 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,119 we've got we've got the Jewish guy out front who 364 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,279 you know, it's involved in the entertainment business, and you 365 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:34,920 know we're in normal country. Like that's not why they're 366 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:41,759 doing it. It's because uh, there's no way, uh, there's 367 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,160 no way some like boyish front man would would be 368 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,240 trusted there because I at any minute, like he could flip, 369 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,279 even if he wasn't intending to that, he could find 370 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:54,839 himself in a Melosovitch situation. We're suddenly like a bunch 371 00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:56,799 of band right, so like, look, we're like tired of this, 372 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,240 you know, like we we're not gonna like we're keep 373 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:02,640 killing the Ivans, but we're not. We're not taking orders 374 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:12,079 from from his zid they call them. But that's you know, 375 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,799 that's and Syria is an important country and it's got 376 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:21,279 an outsized significance. There was I know that your friend 377 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:26,880 he was asking figuring me for being a little scared, 378 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,880 or he was asking about why there's panthers in Syria 379 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,119 and Lebanon. One of the reasons why. Part of it 380 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,119 is because of the peculiar dynamics of the Lebanese Civil 381 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,920 War that went on for decades and the Frond the 382 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,079 French were kind of backing all sides in that war 383 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,200 depending on like who had the upper hand. That's what 384 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,240 the French do, and the French like shove some panthers 385 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:56,680 into the breach on on the Arab side. But uh, 386 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,680 there were a few dozen very mocked off users who 387 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:08,000 served in the Court of Nasa as well as in Syria, 388 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:15,400 both before and after, you know, the Syrian Bath conquered 389 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:23,359 the political culture. And the Czechs the Skoda Arms Works, 390 00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:26,319 which is kind of like the Czechs make great weapons, 391 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,000 they're like the Transylvanian Saxons historically, and like the Skoda 392 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,720 Arms Works that's kind of like the Czech counterpart to 393 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:38,680 Krupp that during a Communist Czechoslovakia, there are so many 394 00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:43,799 panzers and like various like warsaw packed armies and adjacent armies. 395 00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:48,559 They started like manufacturing replacing parts for Panders and also 396 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,680 too obviously that's what that that's that's what these Vermachs 397 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,480 guys were familiar with, you know, and that's then that's 398 00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,599 why what that's the armor they knew how to fight 399 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,400 in and have situating yourself to a new tank model 400 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,440 that you can do it if you're a skilled tanker, 401 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:14,240 but it's hard. Franco Spain in nineteen forty three, they 402 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,920 got about twenty panzers like Mark four panzers that they'd 403 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,119 ordered and Serrano Sooner, who was a great man. I'm 404 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,279 like Franco and he was like a diehard national socialist. 405 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:29,640 He was constantly looking for a way to get Spain 406 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:34,079 into the war against the UK in an official capacity. 407 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,880 And after negotiations broke down because like Franco's like a 408 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,839 ludicris de Man's that were you know, purposely that personally 409 00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:48,720 sabotaged any agreement between you know, the Reich and Madrid, 410 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,240 there was still hope and the Panders that arrived like 411 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,160 towards that end because people thought so highly a sooner 412 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,680 and I mean German counter legion had like spilled blood 413 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,400 on Spain. I mean that was sacred. You know. These 414 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,319 Mark four as they got were like the same ones 415 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:08,640 that like the pans are arm used, they weren't. These 416 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,480 they were They weren't just like off brand like knockoffs, 417 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,359 you know, they were real Panjas and like most of 418 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,160 them had never like been deployed anywhere. So the Syrians 419 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,079 got the Syrians got like a bunch of like brand 420 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:23,880 spanking new like mark for panders, and they also got 421 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,759 some like yeah, they also got some yag coons are 422 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,319 like tank killers like what was called assault guns in 423 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:32,039 those days. So yeah, like in sixty seven and seventy three, 424 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:37,079 like there was a there were panthers like assaulting idea, 425 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,799 which is pretty pretty cool. 426 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: And there's a certain level of irony there that's not 427 00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,039 exact but still. 428 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 2: Truth. I mean, I'm people like me, I you know, 429 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,279 I'm very much like an Anglophone person. I mean, I'm 430 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,480 I uh I realized, uh, I realized proper englishmen. And 431 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,440 Scott's like Peter Brimlow, who's like an awesome guy and 432 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,519 he was like very cool to us at either but 433 00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:11,559 I can tell you things. I can tell you things 434 00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:13,960 that I'm like, I can tell you things that I'm 435 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,160 kind of like a little ulster bastard and like that's 436 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,559 not wrong, but uh, I'm like a very angle hood person. 437 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,799 So I've got I think every I think every angle 438 00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:29,279 Saxon is something of like a an Orientalist. So I 439 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:35,039 find I find Eastern people is very interesting for various reasons. 440 00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:38,000 You know, as did guys like Johann von Leers and 441 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:41,359 a lot of these national socialist guys who ended up 442 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,920 in these Arab states. It was twofold. And the one hand, 443 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,559 they're like, okay, well, we've got to accept Cold War realities, 444 00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:55,319 but there's room to there's proverbial room to breathe and 445 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,519 ideological and cultural terms in some of these places in 446 00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:02,559 Latin America and the Near East, and there's people or 447 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,759 remain receptive to our ideas and kind of want to 448 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:11,079 be shaped by our ways. And uh, they're also kind 449 00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:17,679 of like the shock troops contra Zionism, you know, so 450 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,800 there was an ideological component to it. There's like incredibly 451 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,559 silly propaganda and cap like put out by guys you 452 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:28,880 know about oh, like you know, Islamism is just uh, 453 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,880 it's just this sort of anti Semitic you know, Nazi conspiracy. 454 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,199 I I mean, there's like very stupid stuff that affects. 455 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:40,760 But there was an is ideological affinity between people like 456 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,559 the Syrian bath and and and national socialists. That's not 457 00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:47,960 the reason why, Like I I mean, I like the 458 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,880 Syrian people. I know a lot of Syrians, and I 459 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,119 hold in a high scheme. I think I think they're 460 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:56,719 interesting in like a cultured people. But they also you know, 461 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,679 if you if you there's some of these are are 462 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,960 with the Third Reich and what it stood for, you know, 463 00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:09,039 the obviously like a like like I think too Jamas 464 00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:12,559 Croatia was the only it was the only true like 465 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,960 national social estate that existed after the Day defeat. But 466 00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:20,280 like an adjacent political culture is like is like Bath 467 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,840 is Syria? Like absolutely so yeah, I mean that's not 468 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,960 to your point, Like it's not it's not totally all 469 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,800 base or anything. But I'll movie ahead. I realized I'm 470 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,679 getting tangential. But the you know, in the the Russians 471 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,480 cultivated I can't remember how much we got into this. 472 00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:44,719 I should have reviewed our earlier episode before, like like 473 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,320 yesterday this morning, So forgive me again. If I'm repeating myself, 474 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,440 please call me on it. But you know, the the 475 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:59,679 Soviet leadership, they really they really cultivated asad and like 476 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:05,599 wece versa. You know, like I the naval basic Tarts, 477 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,440 which is essential, it's the soul. It's the sole Mediterranean 478 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,480 base for the for the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet 479 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,760 to this day. That was a big deal. After if 480 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,679 the Suy Union went down the assade and the Russian 481 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,320 Federation worked out that this is like like the so 482 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:32,320 he's like permanent rights like the Tartist naval base. You know, 483 00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:37,199 it's uh, and it was, it was. It was a 484 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,119 sad politicking. I mean, I take nothing away obviously from 485 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,559 the game. That's the syrianair of army and and and 486 00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:51,559 their toughness and there, and they desire to win and 487 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:55,360 things like that. But during the seventy three war, you 488 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:02,719 know which which masm Is called the Ramadan War, Alohites 489 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,719 and Christians call it a couple of different things, or 490 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,679 just the nineteen seventy three war. The Israelis call it 491 00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:12,239 the yan Kapoor War. But you know, like we like 492 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:19,280 we talked about, there was thousands of advisors, technicians there, 493 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,400 there were there were special operations type Soviet truths about 494 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:30,119 twenty of whom died in Action seventy three, you know, 495 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,920 and over cub close to four thousand tons of aid 496 00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:38,199 you know, AMMO, uh like ration packs, you know, medical 497 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:43,119 supplies like you name it, by the by the conclusion, 498 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,079 by the end of October, you know, it's cessation about 499 00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:51,880 still is immediately beyond the Soviet Navy they'd see lifted 500 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:57,440 over sixty thousand tons of of gear like weapons again 501 00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:06,960 like weapons, AMMO, foods, us agricultural commodities to Syria or 502 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,719 replace its losses. I mean, that's that that's a huge effort, 503 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:18,400 you know. And as uh as we talked about, there 504 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:24,119 was some tension from about seventy five to seventy seven, 505 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,960 I guess the Syrians directly intervened in Webinon. There was 506 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,719 this kind of tense minuet because you know, the PLO, 507 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:40,800 the PLO, despite its despite its like declared secularism, was 508 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:46,320 always you know, like a like a Sunni outfit, and 509 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:52,360 the Soviets were really concerned about, you know, active hostilities 510 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,840 breaking out between the Syrian Arab Army and and the 511 00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:01,360 PLO hawfes Asad was able to smooth that over with 512 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:09,119 skillful diplomacy. But what really what really kind of solidified 513 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:15,119 their relationship even in the midst of some of these 514 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:21,440 like intersne conflicts between Soviet Allied elements, was Ad a 515 00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:25,639 sod unconditionally backed like the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan. And 516 00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:28,559 he made a lot of people really upset by doing that, 517 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,920 you know, like within his own within Dar al Islam, 518 00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:35,639 you know, but it was it was the right play 519 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,679 considering the circumstances. And it was also essential, I mean 520 00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:45,920 building there during the Cold War like that, that kind 521 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:55,239 of consensus building across UH national frontiers was essential, you know, 522 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,400 and it was uh the kind of last hurrah of 523 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:07,159 that of more in peace diplomacy was Bush forty one's 524 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:10,440 like quorum that he gathered to wage the Gulf War, 525 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,800 which was an incredible which was a master stroke, you know, 526 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,519 But that was I think of that as kind of 527 00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:19,480 the book end of the Cold War and in the 528 00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:24,000 entire prodige and of course the Fasisade, you know, the 529 00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:29,280 Syriener have already deployed, you know to back to back 530 00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:32,920 US forces and of course America. How is America like 531 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,599 pay that back by like trying to murder the Assad family. 532 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,280 It's it's it's unconstable, like it's it's a vile I mean, 533 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,159 aside in the fact it's totally irrational, but it's just 534 00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:49,480 it's just vile, like you don't do that. April seventy seven, 535 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,079 a Fessi Sade he made a state visit to Moscow 536 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,000 and he got an audience in the bresid of himself 537 00:40:57,679 --> 00:41:04,000 as well as a legacy posedon Kasegan, you know, who 538 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,360 were I mean basically got to meet the OA Control 539 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,320 Group of the Soviet Union. I mean for for a small, 540 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:17,880 you know, underdeveloped country, that's that's pretty remarkable. And they signed, uh, 541 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,840 they put pen to paper on what was called the 542 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,719 Treaty of Friendship in nineteen eighty, you know, less than 543 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,679 a year after the Soviets assaulted Afghanistan. And that was 544 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,119 that was not a that that was not coincidental with 545 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,159 that was very much taylor to send a message to 546 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:38,239 the world. And subsequently there became a permanent garrison in 547 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:45,079 Syria of Soviet troops. You know, not only were the 548 00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,679 balk Asyrian weapons you know, coming from Warsaw Pact, you know, 549 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:56,639 the Soviet Union itself, the DDR, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, what have you. 550 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,239 But also like North Korea, you know, like because there 551 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,679 wasn't the only uh, the only Marxist Leninist Arab state 552 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:14,000 was South Yemen, you know, so having having an ally 553 00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:20,840 in the Arab world, which again Syria had and has 554 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:27,280 something of an outsized profile in conceptual terms, this is 555 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,079 this is a big win for the for the communist world, 556 00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:38,360 even even though the Syrian Bath was not particularly sympathetic 557 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:45,679 to doctrinal Marxist Leninism. But that, you know, that's the 558 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,079 degree to which the Soviets became tolerant increasingly of what 559 00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:52,199 a lot of people would have viewed as kind of 560 00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:56,000 like a third position as tendency. That's very that's highly significant. 561 00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:58,840 And of course that's kind of stuff that guys like 562 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,679 Auto Riemer and and George s. Wister Vierick and Ah 563 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,039 Thompson and Francis Jacky. I mean, that was their whole 564 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,840 that that was their whole kind of diagnostic prediction, you know, 565 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,920 and that's one of the reasons why they did this. 566 00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:22,760 Incredibly ignorant people who did they like to bandy that 567 00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:25,760 there's some kind of third world is I don't even 568 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,159 know what that means, but it, you know, within the 569 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,960 X time, within the extant paradigm of the Cold War, 570 00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:39,679 this made absolute sense for you know, anybody who was 571 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,920 on the you know, on the national socialist or fascist 572 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,719 side of things. You know, it's it absolutely tracks and 573 00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:54,519 Carrie Bolton he's one of the only he's one of 574 00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:57,719 the only kind of contemporary I mean, he's an old 575 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,360 guy now, but when I take a time for I mean, 576 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,320 like somebody is active, he's the only sort of like 577 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:12,159 to like dissident, like like national socialists, like academic writers, 578 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,880 I take really seriously like he's great, you know, and 579 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,880 I he's kind of an eccentric guy. He's some of 580 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,719 his interests are kind of eccentric, but I you know, 581 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:30,360 he's his viewpoint is closest to mine own out of anybody. 582 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:34,039 He's kind of active in writing about you know, political 583 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:41,480 theory and in national socialism and stuff. In twenty ten, 584 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,679 Medgette became he became the first president of the Russian 585 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,039 Federation to reciprocate and visit Syria. I think, like I 586 00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:52,599 said before, I can't I cannot remember if when the 587 00:44:52,719 --> 00:45:02,920 Russians after at the Syriana of army routed ISIS. You know, 588 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,039 there was a there was this parade for the Russian 589 00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:10,239 contingent there that reminded me of the Conor Legion parade. 590 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,159 It was I thought it was really cool. I was. 591 00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:18,480 I watched it on there's a YouTube stream that came 592 00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:23,280 through live at like three am, and I can't remember 593 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:29,280 if Putin was there or not, but regardless, it was 594 00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,800 you know, the first state visit by a Russian Federation executive. 595 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:41,639 It was mitigative and that was that was a big 596 00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:43,960 deal too. And obviously in twenty ten, like less than 597 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,280 a year later, you know, the civil war kicked off 598 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:53,880 and that that wasn't that that wasn't uh, that wasn't accidental. 599 00:45:54,519 --> 00:46:01,000 You know, ever conducts I can't or forgett this or not, 600 00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:10,800 but the did it to understand the situation in Syria 601 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,000 with ISIS al Qaeda on news refront the the Salafi 602 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:25,840 terrorist elements who were assaulting the government. These guys were 603 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,480 these guys were rapidly successful. You know, like obviously they 604 00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:38,119 had deep support, you know, above border or not, from 605 00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:45,480 from Washington and Tel Aviv. You know, they the Syrian 606 00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:50,840 government by the time of Russian intervention. They could be 607 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,639 set in control only about twenty six percent of the country. 608 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,480 I mean, they had Damascus and they had most of 609 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,840 the built up areas that but that didn't matter. You 610 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:07,639 know when the integrating between Damascus and these kind of 611 00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:13,480 like outlying territories that were held by government forces and 612 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:19,840 and UH and adjacent allies, it was they couldn't operationally 613 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,039 integrate with the forces and being that they had, that's 614 00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:25,880 one of the things that the Russian Federation brought to 615 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:33,280 the table. You know, Russia also they showed absolutely no 616 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,920 mercy to to these to these Salafi Islamis, you know, 617 00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:46,000 the they were practicing a scorched earth campaign against them. 618 00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:49,719 But that's what so the most horrifying modern more footage 619 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,280 I've seen is when Isis they assaulted. They assaulted the 620 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,599 suburb of Aleppo and they beheaded all the males, you know, 621 00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:03,800 from like little kids to like military age, like teenage boys, 622 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,719 to like old men. And it was like this forest 623 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:16,519 of like heads like impaled on these steaks. And these 624 00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:22,719 Isis guys, Uh, they were doing their they were doing 625 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,599 one of their afternoon prayers and you know, they were 626 00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:32,360 on their prayer mats like it's probably like a whole 627 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:38,719 platoon of them, and there was just these heads, you know, 628 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,320 like it's it's like something out of a horror movie, 629 00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:46,880 you know. I mean, that's those are the kinds of 630 00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:53,519 animals that American Israel were turning loose on on Syria 631 00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:59,280 as a dead nation strategy, you know. And to the Russians, 632 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,000 I mean, and God bless the Russians for like blasting 633 00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:11,159 those guys to hell. But you know, the that that's 634 00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:20,239 probably the greatest victory, like battlefield victory, the anybody like 635 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:25,000 who should be you should view as like an adjacent 636 00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:29,960 element if you're right wing, and that that's really like 637 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,480 what the what the Syrina of r and the Russian 638 00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:38,119 Federation and his block accomplished their other than an operations storm, 639 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,320 like when the Cross routed the chet Knicks and like 640 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,639 liberated the crying, That's like the only thing in my 641 00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:50,159 lifetime that was comparable. So when these like demento internet 642 00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:52,679 guys like don't go outside or something instead of talking 643 00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:54,920 about to say love Ukraine, it's I realized, like how 644 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,119 sick these fucking people are, and like I'm just like delusional, 645 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,440 you know, like they don't own they're they're they're like 646 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,119 they're either like ops or like masquerading as being like 647 00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:09,239 right wing, or they're or they're just like or they 648 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,480 just like think that ship's like video games or something. 649 00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:14,760 I don't know, but you know, I think the point 650 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,119 again and again if you don't if you don't understand that, 651 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,920 like the Syrians are like your allies and and this 652 00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:26,000 this is an international struggle. You can't isolate it and 653 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,320 say like I don't care what happens outside America, Like 654 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,440 that's this that the basic bitch like white and word stuff. 655 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,159 But it's also like you're not in the game if 656 00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:38,320 you think these things occurrent isolation but you don't. Whether 657 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,000 you like like globalism or not, it doesn't matter, Like 658 00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:44,199 it's you can't ignore gravity, you know, it's it's the 659 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:49,400 same thing. Globalism is like gravity. The power political paradigm 660 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,599 you live under is like the weather. You can't change it. 661 00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:54,519 I mean, I mean, you can change it, but if 662 00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:56,599 you got to like work within its parameters. You know, 663 00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:02,079 like saying you're a you're like you're gonna take some 664 00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:06,079 like non position, owing owing to some like ethical orientation 665 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,920 that you know you've convinced yourself like means you like 666 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,920 rechecked like the prevailing the prevailing order that I mean, 667 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,280 that's that's, that's that's meaningless and in playable terms. But 668 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,719 you know, the uh but too, that's when the Russian 669 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,639 Federation like finally drew a line in the sand, you know, 670 00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:33,800 and I had they not, I I think Russia would 671 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,119 be an even worse shape today than than than it is. Okay, 672 00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:40,559 I'm not saying bad things about Russian people. I mean 673 00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:44,960 the Russians are in a desperate situation. Putin said that 674 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,519 like like like like I said, is not going down. 675 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,880 He said, the bad regime is going to remain at 676 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:57,639 all costs, and that and and he and he delivered 677 00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:01,119 on it. You know. That's that's that's what's up Russia alive. 678 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,800 As in Warren Key's terms, you know, like had had 679 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,840 the Russian just allowed Seria to go down like they 680 00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:17,719 they would have had a cascading effect of of of catastrophes. 681 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:26,360 You know, you've developed certain instincts for identifying what events 682 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,719 are gonna have those sort of seismic kinetic effects, and 683 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,000 you ever believe if Damasius had fallen, that would have 684 00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:41,000 been one of those events. It's also it was executed 685 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,079 pretty splendidly man. You know, I'm We've talked to a 686 00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:50,840 lot in various capacities, and I recommend you know, super of. 687 00:52:51,639 --> 00:52:56,960 He's most known for Icebreaker, but his book Inside the 688 00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:01,280 Red Army, you know, it's about the state of It's 689 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,920 about the state of the Soviet army, you know, basically 690 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:10,199 in in the in the later bresid Of era and 691 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:16,519 something that remains this day and something that preceded the 692 00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:21,519 the Bolshek Revolution. You know. The Russians big thing, they're 693 00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:28,039 big military science imperative is to do everything possible to 694 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:39,840 like overcome fog of war issues, you know, situational awareness 695 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,400 issues within the battle space, you know, by eradicating and certainties. 696 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:50,159 So they treat they treat battle doctorate almost like a 697 00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:52,679 Western army or like or like the US Army would 698 00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:59,639 treat regulation. It's highly inflexible, okay, but for what they're right, 699 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:06,920 the way the Russians fight, it does work. And the 700 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:12,079 combined arms the Russians brought to bear against isis like 701 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:18,159 cut them to pieces, you know, and it was absolutely 702 00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:23,079 you know, like a like like the Russians isn't just 703 00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:27,280 like rastually deployed like I remember, I can't remember his 704 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,360 name he was, he said, black guy on I don't 705 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,760 even think he's on TV anymore. But he was kind 706 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,960 of like he was kind of like mini me Lester 707 00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:38,840 Holt or something. He was. I mean, not that Lester 708 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,320 Halts any great shakes, but this guy was like he 709 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,119 was kind of like the bush Ley Lester Holt, and 710 00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:50,079 he was he was talking to he saw like uber Zionists, 711 00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:54,400 like like Nato Schill, like idiot who was like a 712 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,119 light current, like a retired like light colonel or something. 713 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,239 And this guy was dropping cap about like well saw 714 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,119 Church beyond ninety four. The Russians can't fight. It's like, 715 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:08,519 first of all those you know twenty years ago, you fool. Secondly, 716 00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:15,360 it you know, if if that was a state of 717 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,679 the art of the Russian Federation, frankly wouldn't be able 718 00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:20,440 to deploy a scale the Syria at all. You know. 719 00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:22,039 It's it's not like they would have been able to 720 00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:26,760 like arrive in the battle space, you know, deploy in 721 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,400 depth and then and then and then completely food bar 722 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,840 of the operation. I mean, they definitely could have lost it. 723 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:37,960 But and I'm not going to suggest that the Russian 724 00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:41,199 Army deployed to Syria as like something on order of 725 00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:47,559 the British. Uh, accomplishing that kind of logistic what mirrorable 726 00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:49,679 they did at the Falklands maybe two or something, but 727 00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,880 it was it was pretty damn impressive, Okay. And once 728 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,960 they were able to essentially like immediately drop like you know, 729 00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:01,639 five thousand boots on the ground and a whole gang 730 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:09,079 I make twenty nines and some kind of sex stuff 731 00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:12,679 like thermobar recartillery and things like that, it's like, okay, 732 00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,519 I mean, I it appears as if like the Russian 733 00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:20,000 Army's back. I mean, the Rugian ary performed pretty well 734 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,360 in Georgia in two thousand and eight, but there were 735 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,159 still there were still problems. I mean there's problems today. 736 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:36,119 But the you know, I nobody who's not resorting the 737 00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:41,440 kind of callow propaganda, very deliberate sword is is going 738 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,559 to say that, you know, the Russian operation in Syria 739 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:55,039 wasn't impressive or something. You know, it's but moving on, Yeah, 740 00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:06,840 it's uh, the Russian the chief of Staff of the 741 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:18,400 Russian Air Force grass them of, he stated in twenty seventeen. 742 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,920 In twenty seventeen, like in twenty sixteen, like twenty seventeen, 743 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,639 there's kind of like this big like retrospective on the 744 00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:28,079 Syrian operation, and part of it was you know, like 745 00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:30,480 a Russian flex like, hey, this is what we did, 746 00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:33,840 like you know, rab rab We're back. We you know, 747 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,360 we we're a serious you know, we're we're a serious 748 00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:45,320 military power again. But they carried out, They carried out 749 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,280 around twenty thousand sorties like like yeah, between like eighteen 750 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:54,239 and twenty thousand sorties, and there was over seventy thousand 751 00:57:54,280 --> 00:58:01,199 strikes on what Grass called quote the infrast structure of terrorism, 752 00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:05,440 which what I take that to me is like a 753 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,320 lot of ground assault type stuff like basically like it 754 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:14,079 has blood on the army going into action, probably backed 755 00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:18,199 up by some Russian armor and artillery, and then like 756 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,360 basically like the Russians that uh, they like pound the 757 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,000 hell out of ISIS positions from the air, you know, 758 00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:31,159 like an immediate advance of that combined ground and element 759 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:36,559 you know, which would then like encircle these positions with 760 00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:40,639 kind of like textbook like Warsaw Pack deep battle just 761 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:49,840 like smaller scale you know, and basically treat basically treat 762 00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,960 the operations as like you know, the advance of fire 763 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:58,000 wherever possible, you know, like lay as much fire as 764 00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:02,159 possible on the opposing forced to kill it, you know, 765 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,800 and even overkill it. You know, it's not exactly a 766 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,119 lot of places to hide in the in the battle 767 00:59:10,159 --> 00:59:16,360 space and the Uh, there are some very serious fighting 768 00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,639 in Damascus. But I believe by the time there are 769 00:59:20,639 --> 00:59:25,800 friends of the Russian Federation arrived on the ground, I 770 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,800 believe that it basically resolved, you know, the had the 771 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:36,679 Russians had to route Isis from demand. I mean, I 772 00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,719 it might be an improper counterfactual because like if Isis 773 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,920 was holding Damascus, it's like would I mean that would 774 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,400 indicate the war was over. But it the point being, 775 00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:53,039 you know, they that would have changed things, if that 776 00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:55,480 would have changed things, if like his Lah was charged 777 00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:57,880 basically it was like liberating Damascus. I mean, like what 778 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:02,639 do you that would have kind of neutral Russian firepower too, 779 01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:04,840 unless they were playing on like leveling the city without 780 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:11,960 regard to without regard to you know, friendly attrition and things. 781 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:29,199 But yeah, it's uh, yeah, I I guess we went 782 01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:32,880 about an hour. Yeah, I'm sorry, those two like heavy 783 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:38,920 on the military side of things. I'd like to I 784 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,559 realized we still gotta wrap up of our Gladio series. 785 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,800 There's if you want to do like an epilogue in this, 786 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,440 I mean, it's totally up to you, obviously. It's just 787 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:56,800 so literally there's something to be said for like the 788 01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:02,480 Jackson Vanic amendments and what led to its pass and 789 01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:07,320 the whole kind of narrative of Soviet Jewry being like 790 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,480 under threat and you know, the g r U and 791 01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:17,639 the kg D quite literally uh establishing a directorate to 792 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,039 monitor Zionism. I mean this this is part of the equation. 793 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,320 I mean, there's a lot to the Russian Syrian relationship 794 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:31,000 and and just kind of like the Russian you know, 795 01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:34,519 Russian enmity with with Israel. And we could definitely go 796 01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:36,320 like another hour on that if you want, but it's 797 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,400 totally up to you. Just let me know what you 798 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:40,199 want to do next. 799 01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:45,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's finish since we're on this, let's finish this 800 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,079 up and then we'll come back into a wrap up 801 01:01:48,119 --> 01:01:50,639 episode on Gladio and then figure out where you want to. 802 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:55,559 Speaker 2: Go from there. Yeah that's great, man, all right. 803 01:01:55,679 --> 01:01:58,320 Speaker 1: So just tell everybody where they can find your stuff 804 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,320 and uh nope, yeah, man. 805 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:08,880 Speaker 2: You can find me on substick this My podcast content 806 01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:14,239 is it's real Thomas seven seven seven that's substick dot Com. 807 01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:20,719 I'm doing some bi weekly pods with Jay Burden. He's 808 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:25,880 like my homeboy. He's great, like he really is. We're 809 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,119 putting that up on gum Road and having burned do 810 01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:30,559 it like I might be a total retard. I literally 811 01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:33,880 found gum Road like fucking unusable. I spent like four 812 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,719 hours of that fucking platform. 813 01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:37,639 Speaker 1: Like it's not easy. 814 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,519 Speaker 2: It's it's it's like always there's always like there's always 815 01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:45,320 like redundant buttons that don't do anything, and it's like 816 01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:50,679 it's like some fucking uh yeah, it's it's like some 817 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,719 crazy person or like some like what bottomized page like 818 01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,599 programmed it or something. So I after like four hours 819 01:02:57,599 --> 01:02:59,400 of this garbage, I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? 820 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,519 I'm like I'm not gonna I'm like it's I'd rather 821 01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:06,719 have root canal than like just like do it. He's young, 822 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,320 exactly do it. And the main thing is I love 823 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,239 substick because it's literally simple as like point and click 824 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,159 or like drag and populate, but they make it difficult. 825 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,719 You can like add collaborators on substick, but it doesn't 826 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:30,039 just like automatically like split revenue. Right, it's uh. 827 01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:31,119 Speaker 1: Now we're getting inside baseball. 828 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,039 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, check out check out Burn's action. Then on 829 01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:40,800 gum Road it's radio free Chicago. You know, I shouted 830 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,360 out when we record new stuff, like on my substick, 831 01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:45,360 I like post a link and stuff as. 832 01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:47,440 Speaker 1: Well as I'll pick up a link to it and 833 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:48,320 add it in. 834 01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, and yeah, I mean obviously I'm on 835 01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:55,920 I'm on X formerly burd app. You know, I'm I'm 836 01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:01,400 at Capital r e a L underscore number seven hm 837 01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,840 as seven seven seven. Here Kreig has been. He's been 838 01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:10,559 busily making some new swag for like our merchandise, which 839 01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:13,559 I think is pretty cool. Man, Like I legit like 840 01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,440 I stand by it because I think it's cool and 841 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,159 people seem to like it. So yeah, if you could 842 01:04:20,199 --> 01:04:23,199 like drop a link to the merse stuff in the description, 843 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,719 that would probably be cool. But that's otherwise. Man. 844 01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:32,920 Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm trying to get a jump on my 845 01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:38,119 I make progress on my my manuscript stuff, my long 846 01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:41,920 form written stuff, especially because in I'm gonna have to 847 01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,239 travel a bunch this winter, which I didn't, which is 848 01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:45,000 is fine. 849 01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:51,360 Speaker 2: I am blessed people enjoy my company and want me 850 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,199 to go places where they're hosting things. But I didn't. 851 01:04:55,639 --> 01:04:57,440 I didn't think i'd be like hitting the road again 852 01:04:57,519 --> 01:05:01,800 until like springtime. So I'm gonna try, and you know, 853 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,079 like the next month, I'm I'm hoping I can have 854 01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:09,039 like a workable manuscript. It just takes time, especially when 855 01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:12,159 you've got to properly like cite, you know, your data 856 01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:14,360 on things. But that's what I've been up on. 857 01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:20,079 Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, So the next time we'll wrap this 858 01:05:20,199 --> 01:05:23,039 and wrap up Gladio and figure out where to go 859 01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:23,519 from there. 860 01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, that's great. 861 01:05:25,519 --> 01:06:05,119 Speaker 1: Take care, Thomas, Thank yoush.