Speaker 1: Books are gay. Don't you know the Supreme Court might
Speaker 1: say books are gay? Don't you know, Helen, don't you
Speaker 1: know the books are gay? Helen reading is gay?
Speaker 2: Everyone? Well, according to a group of mine, kid ain't
Speaker 2: going to be no home. Sexual parents who took the
Speaker 2: issue with diverse education being shared in classrooms took their
Speaker 2: hatred all the way to the Supreme Court. Now, mind you,
Speaker 2: they don't want to ban books. They just want their
Speaker 2: children to know that queer people exists, and we're preferred.
Speaker 2: They don't want people to know queer people. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: They don't want their children to know that queer people exists.
Speaker 2: And we prefer if their child could just opt out
Speaker 2: a storytime where teachers may read a book about you
Speaker 2: gay Penglands, raising a baby chick, or whatever which happens.
Speaker 2: So tell the streets, because really that's how we get you.
Speaker 2: It's the moral outcry against diversity. The fact that the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court is willing to hear this case should have
Speaker 2: us all worried when it comes to teaching kindness and
Speaker 2: differences to our youth is being overshadowed by parental rights
Speaker 2: and religion affecting public education. This article is the named
Speaker 2: Supreme Court takes a parent's bid to opt out of
Speaker 2: LGBTQ content elementary schools. This is written This comes from
Speaker 2: NBC News, written by Lawrence Harley and Jering, seventeenth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five. Phoebe, I'm sure you've got opinions.
Speaker 1: I have many opinions. I have gay opinion, I have
Speaker 1: not so gay opinions. I have gay books, I have
Speaker 1: not so gay books. I have books by dictators, I
Speaker 1: have books by anarchists, I have books by communists, I
Speaker 1: have books by fascists. I have books on objectivism. And
Speaker 1: I have books written by friends of mine which are
Speaker 1: all about trans people and trans kids and transparents. And
Speaker 1: my goodness, if the states like these people want us
Speaker 1: to do saw my book collection, lock them down with
Speaker 1: a feather, is all I can say. But this isn't
Speaker 1: what we're really getting at here. What's being missed here
Speaker 1: is the groups that are undertaking this are minorities in
Speaker 1: and of themselves in a world where minorities are not
Speaker 1: the most liked at the moment, shall we say so,
Speaker 1: they have decided that they're going to knock on the
Speaker 1: door of let's be discriminatory. Little do they know that
Speaker 1: this quote religious freedom mark is going to come back
Speaker 1: to buy them when I don't know. The religious freedom says, well,
Speaker 1: we don't really like you either, so you'll be next.
Speaker 1: And this is where the wholes streams starts. You may
Speaker 1: dislike the person who married the person that you dislike,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean you get to interfere and say
Speaker 1: that your children get to grab ignorant because that ignorance
Speaker 1: will allow the ignorance against you to come back and
Speaker 1: allow your ignorance. Now children, because of your ignorance and
Speaker 1: your creation of the ignorant children to get them discriminated against,
Speaker 1: you discriminated against. And what we should be doing is
Speaker 1: the exact opposite. The groups that have decided to take
Speaker 1: this up are minority groups, Muslim groups, Eastern Orthodox Christians.
Speaker 1: These are not those kinds of people that you should
Speaker 1: be going, oh, yes, let's go and have these groups
Speaker 1: pander to us, because these kinds of individuals are not
Speaker 1: the most open minded. But little do they know that
Speaker 1: there are even less open minded people out there. They
Speaker 1: will happily throw them under the bus to ara.
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently it's it violates your religious freedom. Now if
Speaker 3: somebody else is different than you who knew. You know,
Speaker 3: apparently just gay people existing violates other people's religious religious freedoms.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry, it violates my freedom of expression that
Speaker 1: these religious people exist. Now you see, it's my freedom
Speaker 1: of expression that there's now being violated upon you see.
Speaker 3: I mean exactly is this is the whole problem with
Speaker 3: their argument is just because something exists that you don't
Speaker 3: agree with doesn't mean you just you get to pretend
Speaker 3: that it doesn't exist. It exists. And I mean, I
Speaker 3: understand that the country is changing. I know it doesn't
Speaker 3: feel like it, but the country is becoming more secular.
Speaker 3: The country is becoming less religious. Poll Off for Pole
Speaker 3: is demonstrating that, and I can And so when that
Speaker 3: is happening around you, and you continue to be a
Speaker 3: religious person and you see the country around you getting
Speaker 3: less religious, that can be scary, right, that can be
Speaker 3: scary when every when the people around you stop behaving
Speaker 3: this the way that they used to, that they start
Speaker 3: that they believe different things that you believe. It may
Speaker 3: seem like you're going to you're going to be the
Speaker 3: loser in this, in this war or or they consider
Speaker 3: to be a war. But the fact is that there's
Speaker 3: not going to be a loser here. That the what
Speaker 3: these people are fighting against is what they should be champion.
Speaker 3: They should be looking for more inclusion because as fewer
Speaker 3: and fewer people become religious, they're going to become the minority.
Speaker 3: I mean, what is the twenty five tea, your twenty sixties.
Speaker 3: Christians will be minority in the in the United States
Speaker 3: based on current statistics, and so they need to get
Speaker 3: instead of uh, trying to fight against other minorities, they
Speaker 3: should they should really be trying to strengthen minority protections.
Speaker 1: So here's the next question. What does it matter? What
Speaker 1: does it matter?
Speaker 2: Okay, so my problem, okay, like this is if you
Speaker 2: want to have your kid opt out of fucking story time?
Speaker 1: Okay, my.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, though, like these does have extane circumstances,
Speaker 2: because like if you know, uh, if a teacher is
Speaker 2: going to read a book about you know, like Marlon Bundo,
Speaker 2: you know, about a gay buddy living in the White House,
Speaker 2: you know, which just says that there's a gay buddy,
Speaker 2: like you know, it's just a children's story. And then
Speaker 2: little Timmy whose parents are like, I don't want I
Speaker 2: don't want my kid to know the gay people exists.
Speaker 2: He has to lead a classroom. Everybody's going to know
Speaker 2: and that cads like look at the big look look
Speaker 2: at the kid going to be raised a big So
Speaker 2: it also singles out these kids too. And we all
Speaker 2: we were all children once and we and your social
Speaker 2: group and being teased and ostracized in any way it
Speaker 2: empowers the group to recognize that you are the outsider
Speaker 2: and also too's it doesn't disservice to these kids because
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I would like children to learn to be
Speaker 2: more kind and more inclusive to people that aren't like them.
Speaker 2: That I got that education, I and like, I consider
Speaker 2: myself a very nice person, and I think that other
Speaker 2: children don't. You don't have to like. Just because your
Speaker 2: child cares about gay people doesn't make them gay. Guess
Speaker 2: what My son is sist and straight, has a trans
Speaker 2: older sibling and I'm queer.
Speaker 1: Oh well, poor you weird?
Speaker 2: Huh it's all.
Speaker 1: It doesn't centry, but yeah, make you make a val
Speaker 1: point here. Children are shits towards.
Speaker 3: Other children.
Speaker 1: And sits to each other. They don't care that mummy
Speaker 1: or daddy or whoever has a moral objection to this,
Speaker 1: that and the other. No there's going to be a
Speaker 1: little shit to the kid that's walking out of the classroom,
Speaker 1: which is why the Supreme Court said all States sponsored
Speaker 1: prayer in school is a no, even if there's an
Speaker 1: opt out, because you are discriminating against the kids that
Speaker 1: walk out the classroom. And this is what people don't understand.
Speaker 1: You can't have a public education system that is cherry
Speaker 1: pick and choose what next. I don't believe in the
Speaker 1: Earth being one hundred million.
Speaker 4: Years old or two billion years old, or whoever old
Speaker 4: the Earth is. Therefore I'm going to offer my georganatic
Speaker 4: geography lessons. No, the Earth is six thousand years old.
Speaker 4: You're teaching plate tectonics. That is against this, that, and
Speaker 4: the other. Therefore, you may not go.
Speaker 3: To geography classes.
Speaker 1: Are you teaching teaching the Big Bang? No cargo to
Speaker 1: physics classes? Where does this end? With all these parental
Speaker 1: rights bullshit? The problem that parents that bring these lawsuits
Speaker 1: have is they forget the fundamentals of being a parent.
Speaker 1: Here they believe that their job as a parent is
Speaker 1: to create a fact simile of themselves. What you actually
Speaker 1: want to do. You want to create an independent, healthy,
Speaker 1: well adjusted individual who can stand on their own two
Speaker 1: feet and get on in the world, not be a
Speaker 1: facsimile of you. And that's what's the problem here, Aaron.
Speaker 1: Do you have fact similis of you or do you
Speaker 1: have individuals around you?
Speaker 3: You don't want fac similies of me around one of
Speaker 3: me in the world? Is is one more than there
Speaker 3: probably needs to be To be honest, No, ially agree
Speaker 3: with you on this on this point. Your your job
Speaker 3: as a parent is not to create copies of yourself.
Speaker 3: It is to create people that can create individuals, human
Speaker 3: beings that know who they are and that can provide
Speaker 3: for themselves and take care of themselves as they as
Speaker 3: they grow older. Eventually your kids are going to learn
Speaker 3: that they're gay people in the world. Eventually your kids
Speaker 3: are going to learn that they're Muslims in the world.
Speaker 3: You know, whatever group you fear, eventually your kids are
Speaker 3: going to learn that that group exists. And do you
Speaker 3: want to teach your kids to be fearful and bigoted
Speaker 3: and hate hatred against things that they don't understand, or
Speaker 3: do you want to give people your kids the knowledge
Speaker 3: and understand of how the world is and how it
Speaker 3: works and so they're not scared, so they're not unhappy,
Speaker 3: because being fearful leadst to being unhappy and least to
Speaker 3: bad things, in my opinion.
Speaker 1: So the Supreme Court, in its infant wisdom, it's decided
Speaker 1: to take up another junk case. It took up for
Speaker 1: Prishtone last year, which was junk cakes that it had
Speaker 1: no it's about to take up and it's probably had
Speaker 1: no choice about to take up this junk case. Do
Speaker 1: you think that the Supreme Court is being forced to
Speaker 1: take up these cases because lower court judges are not
Speaker 1: doing their jobs properly and are allowing junk cases to
Speaker 1: get further and further and further through the system where
Speaker 1: they should just be throwing them out in the first place.
Speaker 2: Help, Yes, And now I think it's I do think
Speaker 2: that a lot of this is politically motivated because just
Speaker 2: and it gets attention. But I also think that there's
Speaker 2: these smaller course that just don't want to deal with this,
Speaker 2: you know. I think that it's a combination of motivated
Speaker 2: reasoning that we don't you know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: deal with this because this is something that we don't
Speaker 2: have time to be what we have bigger fish to fry, like,
Speaker 2: especially if you're like a smaller Court, and you have
Speaker 2: local politics that you have to deal with that you're
Speaker 2: just like, oh my god, like like I just pass
Speaker 2: us on. But I also think it's politically motivated because
Speaker 2: also as well, if you are these smaller courts, and
Speaker 2: maybe you don't want to be the thing to rule
Speaker 2: on this case because you don't want to, like you know,
Speaker 2: cause the stink. So bring it to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: Let them decide, and then you can be like hands off,
Speaker 2: Like I kind of agree with them, but like hands off, man,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be involved, so it can be
Speaker 2: you know, yes and no. At the same time, I
Speaker 2: don't think the Supreme Court should be listening to this
Speaker 2: because we have cyclar education for a reason.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: That's why we learned about things like the Holocaust and
Speaker 2: about slavery when we were growing up, because it was
Speaker 2: very important to learn about those things so you don't
Speaker 2: grow up to be a butt hit.
Speaker 1: All those things just a symptom of irrelevant wokeness that's
Speaker 1: being forced upon our children, and this is just another
Speaker 1: manifestation of it.
Speaker 3: Isn't this just.
Speaker 1: More wokeness, more indoctrination in our children and people just
Speaker 1: being forced to accept things that just will never affect
Speaker 1: them any way, shape or for.
Speaker 2: Because your poor kid, I'm sorry, what if your kid
Speaker 2: grows up to be, you know, queer, what are you
Speaker 2: going to do then? Like no amount of like pretending
Speaker 2: like if someone sees like a like like you're going
Speaker 2: to be your kids are going to be exposed to
Speaker 2: square people. It's going to happen. They live in the world,
Speaker 2: they have the internet, they have television, they have friends,
Speaker 2: they like they are not an island unto themselves. And
Speaker 2: the fact that also if you want to send your
Speaker 2: child to a private school where they deny that you know,
Speaker 2: us as square people exist, fine, send your kid there.
Speaker 2: You don't get to do that in public education. And
Speaker 2: if you don't want your child to learn about diverse
Speaker 2: groups of people, don't send them to the public school. Why
Speaker 2: are you trying to force that standard? And you want
Speaker 2: to you want to op the kid out? Now, great,
Speaker 2: now you're teaching. Now you're teaching your kids they're the other.
Speaker 2: It's kind of having that backfire in fact, and the
Speaker 2: fact that you're part of a minority religion, like you're
Speaker 2: part of the Islamic religion and you're doing this, it's
Speaker 2: like you're shooting yourself in the foot. I kind of
Speaker 2: love the irony about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't want this whole. They don't want this
Speaker 3: in school because they know, deep down they don't have
Speaker 3: a leg to stand on, right, they cannot defend their bigotry,
Speaker 3: and so they want it out of schools so that
Speaker 3: they don't have to confront their bigotry. Because it's out
Speaker 3: of school, they can continue to teach the bad stuff.
Speaker 3: But if it's in schools, you know, gay people exist,
Speaker 3: trans people exist, other races exist, then they have to
Speaker 3: actively teach their kids. Oh no, no, that we have
Speaker 3: to hate. We have to hate those people, We have
Speaker 3: to not like those people, and they have to they
Speaker 3: have to confront that. So of course they don't want
Speaker 3: it in schools.
Speaker 1: So I hear from the pair of you that you're
Speaker 1: just part of the the You're just part of the
Speaker 1: woke minority now that's becoming majority. Now let's trying to
Speaker 1: take over. These are just good old family values that
Speaker 1: we should just not be interfering with how parents raise
Speaker 1: their children, right, Aaron, We shouldn't be interfering with how
Speaker 1: parents raise their children. And if a parent says, look, school,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with this. It goes against my religion
Speaker 1: and I want to raise my children in a specific
Speaker 1: way that doesn't agree with this. Aren't we just interfering
Speaker 1: with how parents raising their children through the long arm
Speaker 1: of the state in the mandated school so they have
Speaker 1: to go from two from eight till three every day
Speaker 1: of the week.
Speaker 3: Then don't put them in If you don't like what
Speaker 3: the schools are teaching, then don't put them in a school.
Speaker 3: Or get your friends together and start a school of
Speaker 3: your own, homeschool them. You have choices, You have options,
Speaker 3: or when they come home, teach them what you want
Speaker 3: to teach them. That that contradicts whether they're teaching in school.
Speaker 3: But when we come together as a society and we
Speaker 3: say we have decided it is beneficial to society that
Speaker 3: we educate our kids, that we educate our kids for
Speaker 3: twelve years, that they get a high school diploma and
Speaker 3: they go out into the world. We do this. Most major,
Speaker 3: most countries in the world do this, especially first world countries.
Speaker 3: There's value in educating your your kids. And because when
Speaker 3: you bring these people together, you have to figure out
Speaker 3: what can we all agree to teach each other? Right,
Speaker 3: So what can we agree Well, how about we use
Speaker 3: evidence and things that have evidence for them, and we'll
Speaker 3: teach that to our kids. Things that can be shown
Speaker 3: to be to comport with reality, we can teach true things. Well,
Speaker 3: what what can't we do that? Well, we can't do
Speaker 3: that with religion. Right, there's no evidence, there's no for religion,
Speaker 3: which there's so many religions, which so that has to
Speaker 3: stay out of schools.
Speaker 1: But you haven't proved that it doesn't exist. Well, I
Speaker 1: have proven that negative, And we don't teach you in school.
Speaker 3: We don't teach that there's universe aring faerries on the
Speaker 3: other side of the galaxy and we but we don't.
Speaker 1: Teach why not?
Speaker 2: You know, there's no universal.
Speaker 3: So I don't I don't advocate for teaching it in schools.
Speaker 1: Right, I've got the evidence in the books though, the
Speaker 1: books though, the Bible books, the Quran, the Torah, the Buta,
Speaker 1: and so they're all the evidence there. That's all the
Speaker 1: evidence you need are having.
Speaker 3: Those are claims, not evidence. Those are claims.
Speaker 1: The point I'm getting it, and this is the point
Speaker 1: I'm getting at you. This is the point I'm getting
Speaker 1: at here. These are all claims made by these groups
Speaker 1: that these individuals are X Y and Z, A, B
Speaker 1: and C and go against it. There's nothing to substantiate,
Speaker 1: anything to back up what they're saying, apart from propaganda
Speaker 1: and nonsense. For anybody that's been watching this has been
Speaker 1: taking me seriously. You haven't seen me before on this show.
Speaker 1: You haven't watched this show before, and you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: taking me as holding those positions that I just espoused about, Oh,
Speaker 1: you should teach all this, that and now, because that's
Speaker 1: not how the world works. The world works based on me,
Speaker 1: Helen Aaron, you, the listener, the producer, the people who'll
Speaker 1: be on the show next week, and the people who
Speaker 1: were on the show last week actually sitting down and
Speaker 1: going what actually makes sense here. I am skeptical of
Speaker 1: religion because it does not make sense. I am skeptical
Speaker 1: of these claims by these parents because they are nothing
Speaker 1: but nonsense. And I am skeptical of judges who rule
Speaker 1: in favor of them as having any understanding of the
Speaker 1: law and they're not doing their jobs properly. Skepticism is
Speaker 1: the thing that you should be teaching your children, not ignorance,
Speaker 1: and teaching your children ignorance by taking them out of
Speaker 1: things that make you uncomfortable. From still your children uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but you uncomfortable. It is the most ridiculous and nonsensical
Speaker 1: thing that you can choose to do in this world.
Speaker 1: Creating ignorance and creating nonsense is not how we should
Speaker 1: be doing. I am skeptical of you and your positions
Speaker 1: on that, because it doesn't make any sense to a rational,
Speaker 1: open minded individual who wants to embrace everybody as another
Speaker 1: human being without going, well, you've got this skin color,
Speaker 1: you've got this gender identity, you've got this sexual orientation,
Speaker 1: you've got this disability or ability, and so on and
Speaker 1: so on. This is what we have got to this
Speaker 1: point in the United States of America, the wealthiest country
Speaker 1: on earth, is tying itselves in knots over things that
Speaker 1: most of the rest of the world have realized is
Speaker 1: a heap of shit. And if you believe that these
Speaker 1: kinds of corn cases are a heap of shit, tell
Speaker 1: us that they're a heap of shit. But if you
Speaker 1: agree with these kinds of cork cases, tell us that too,