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Speaker 2: I was done.

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Speaker 2: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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that turned me away the quickest.

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Speaker 1: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and

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Speaker 3: And one of the things I remember the most where

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the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.

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Speaker 1: It is just circling.

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Speaker 3: These steps like it is waiting for me. And he

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begins to tell them that he saw a UFO.

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Speaker 2: They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven

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foot up on a tree, peeking around it and that's

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where I saw the top of the muzzle, those and

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the eyes as soon as I made eye contact with

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this thing.

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Speaker 1: And don't like death.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to sant Foil Tell's. I'm your host, Brandon,

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and I'm rejoined by my guest Edson. Thanks for coming

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here and talking to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Would you like to let the audience know a little

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bit about yourself?

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Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I am an author. I just published my first book

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last year. It's called Strange Light, and it is a

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collection of first hand accounts of people who have had weird,

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unexplained paranormal experiences of any sort. I basically interviewed a

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bunch of people that had all different kinds of unexplainable experiences,

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and then I kind of just stepped in and acted

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as storyteller. I tried to keep the stories as close

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to their actual account as I could.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to sort.

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Speaker 2: Of fictionalize it or dramatize it. The changes that went

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in would have been like for anity and things like that.

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But yeah, so the book kind of reads like a

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collection of short stories, but based on people's real experiences.

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Speaker 3: Is this something that you've always been interested in or

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what kind of led you into wanting to write something

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about those?

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Speaker 1: Well, not exactly.

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you know, some of the ancient technology type books that

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were out back in those days, and you know, there

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were things that were interesting to me, but it didn't

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stick with me into adulthood.

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Speaker 1: I kind of just assumed.

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I was not fully on board with the reality of

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you know, ghosts and psychic phenomenon and UFOs and things

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like that. I just thought, well, that's something that maybe

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it's real. I don't know, but I didn't really think

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much about it. But over the last few years have

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kind of chipped away at my view of the universe

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and how strange it may or may not be. You know,

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things like the Congressional testimony about Unidentified aerial Phenomena by

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David Grush and the New York Times articles, some documentaries

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that I've seen about things like kids with past life

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memories that seem to be that the details seemed to

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be verifiable to back to real people, and it just

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sort of led me little by little to this point

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where I was reading books about people's experiences, like there's

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a book called Earth, a love story by a woman

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named Robin Lassiter. I read a book called U of

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God by Chris Bledsoe, and a few other things like

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that where people talking about their experiences. Just got me

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going on. I still don't, you know, after writing this book,

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and yeah, I don't know exactly what I'm looking for

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what's fascinating about these topics is that it leads to

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Speaker 1: You never really get to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 3: It seems like that's the one thing I struggle with

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is I'm always searching for answers, and the more you dig,

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the more questions you come out with instead of answers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Somebody told me when when I was early in this project,

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somebody told me, you know, you get down this rabbit hole,

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and then you get down in this other rabbit hole,

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and you get on this other rabbit hole, and you

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find out all the rabbit holes are connected.

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Speaker 3: I feel like and I've said it before, so we're

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probably on the same wavelength, but I think a lot

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of the strange phenomena all ties together one way or another.

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influence enough to try and write a book into it

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and research and everything. So what were some of the

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as a storyteller, not as like an investigator. So I

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people sometimes would bring me, you know, evidence in some

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form or another of maybe some some you know, photos

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that they had taken of what they were seeing, or

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physical objects that played into their experience or things like that,

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crazy weird thing happened. But some of the ones that

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know inside and out from talking to these people.

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how he his adult son had passed away at this

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awful accident on a job site.

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leaf blower backpack on.

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the ladder and the weight of the leaf blower. Basically,

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and become a single dad. His the the I don't

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that it happened. Uh, somehow he heard his son cry

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point forward, he kept getting these little signs and and

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right time, Like they had a lawsuit because of the

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death of the job, and then they had a custody

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battle and things. Because I'm trying to simplify the story

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whole lawsuit. But things kept falling into place, you know, unexpectedly,

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insurance company told them it was going to take weeks

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or months to get this information, but the tryout was

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I'm going to believe you. If you tell me that

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you know your reincarnation of your great great uncle, I'm

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though we can't explain it in logical terms, we think

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it's something not normal. Maybe this is something normal, we're

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people with all these different types of experiences. It a

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myself this couldn't have actually happened, but.

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just going crazy, but you know, life has put me

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sincerity come through the emotions.

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what we're able to accept as being like a real situation.

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you know, verified by by evidence or whatever. But I

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sometimes think, you know, the church, the religion, or the

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you know, military industrial complex, sometimes those people in power

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have reasons to encourage a stigma around these things if

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it threatens, you know, something that that they feel keeps

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their power intact. So you know, not to go all

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conspiracy theorists, but we know that you know, the Air

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to practice those you know, misinformation or disinformation tactics in

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certain scenarios, and you know, if this is real, that

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they'd have lots of reason to do that. So yeah,

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it's hard not to think that along those lines.

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they do push a narrative that they want out there

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and certain things that they don't want us to know.

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they aren't aware of what it is, but I think

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they can't control it, and I think that plays a

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big part into it, because if they don't have the

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control over these phenomena, that means that they're not in

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the all encompassing power, you know what I mean, Like

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something's above them, and I don't think they want Joe

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If they came out and said, there's something in our

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airspace and we can't do anything about it, that doesn't

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sound good. If we're spending a trillion dollars on you know,

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defense contracts and military and all that stuff. So yeah,

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it definitely can can be plausible at least, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I kind of look at it, as

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I think they're aware that there's things out there, I

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just don't know if they're able. I don't think. I

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don't think everything is non human intelligence or extraterrestrial or

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something like that. I think a lot of the stuff

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that we are seeing could be possibly something that we're

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messing around with. But at the same time, I think

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there's also stuff out there that they can't explain, and

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that's where the gray area is. Because they don't want

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to admit to it, but they also don't want to

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I guess it's like plausible deniability. They don't want to

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say one way or the other. That way, they they're

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not really held liable one way or the other.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Yeah, And if there is some kind of

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non human advanced intelligence out there that's that's looking down

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at us or or you know, studying us, it may

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be the case that they don't want us to be

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aware of them. And so that's why you can't ever

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really get good evidence, because if they are more advanced

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than us to you know, beyond a certain point, they

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may have a lot more control over what we can

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capture or what we can collect about them. You know,

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we we think about the military and stealth technology, but

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if you're coming from a whole other ecosystem or a

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whole other manner of existence, you may have some some

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capabilities that you know, we don't even understand, and and

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it makes it harder for us to to to collect

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on that if they don't want us collecting data. I

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don't know if that's the reality of it, but it's

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a you know, it's something that I think about.

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Speaker 3: I think like they've been dropping interdimensional a lot lately.

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That's like a word that's been very podcast friendly here

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for the last like five six, maybe up to ten years.

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People talk about interdimensional stuff, and obviously that's not anything

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new because dating myself, but like the Ninja Turtles you

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had di mens X, where all the cringing all the

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other stuff was from. So yeah, the theory of dimensions

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and different stuff is not as necessarily anything new, but

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it is new or in the sense that the government

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has come out and mentioned it.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, that people are taking it more seriously.

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All these not even just interdimensional but sometimes you get

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these like crypto terrestrials, so it's some kind of an

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intelligence that lives under ground or under the at the

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bottom of the ocean or something, or maybe you know,

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there's there's a lot of different theories that it used

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to be that everybody just sort of was like, well,

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they're little gray dudes and they flew here in a

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metal ship from you know, Zeta Reticula or something.

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Speaker 1: And then as we got further into this.

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Speaker 2: They started going, well, you know, maybe maybe we're making

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some assumptions based on our sort of nineteen fifties sci

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fi mentality. And maybe there's something else to this instead

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of instead of just the quote unquote conventional explanation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what kind of evidence there is

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in those, you know, top secret clearance programs of interdimensional

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or some other variation, but it is interesting to hear

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them sort of at least I don't know that the

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government exactly is saying it, but people from those positions

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of knowing have come out in various ways and said, yeah,

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this is something we're considering.

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Speaker 3: I've talked about this in a couple of different episodes,

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and I kind of want to see what you think

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about this. But throughout history there have been reports of

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and it kind of goes back along throughout all of

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our history. But let's just say, like in Europe, they

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used to have stories of like fayfolk, like the fairies

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and other type of creatures, and they used to have

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fairy abductions, like people used to come out in the

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woods or whatever they'd get taken. They'd say fairies took them. Well,

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in modern times, people are being abducted by aliens, same

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kind of concept, and if you look at the stories,

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they're all very reminiscent of the same thing. What if

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people were being abducted back then, and what they called

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them the fay like little beans from a different reality,

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like they lived in a different dimension. And now we're

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getting alien abductions, we're calling them ets or whatever we

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want to call them. What if it's all been the

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same thing all along, but as we've evolved, we've started

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to call them stuff differently.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Yeah, I think there is something potentially to that.

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you know, sometimes I think I think people have written

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about this idea too, that sometimes whatever this phenomenon is

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kind of maps onto the technology of our time or

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the or the mythology of our time or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: You hear stories about these airships back in the eighteen

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hundreds or something that were unexplained and people reported them

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looking different than what they report now. But maybe there's

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you know, this this whole mind to mind can be

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munication thing comes up a lot in abduction stories and

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in paranormal things where you're getting communication without you know,

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audible or vocal communication. You're getting this almost like telepathic

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kind of communication.

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Speaker 1: So maybe there's.

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Speaker 2: An element of if they can, if they can whatever

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this is, if it can push thoughts into our heads

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or create a two way communication. Maybe that same thing

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kind of happens with the visuals, where part of it

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is our interpretation of you know, in the context of

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our culture or our time or whatever, our interpretation doing it,

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our brains doing the best it can to map onto

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things we understand and not really able to do it.

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Speaker 3: I kind of wonder if, like this is just me

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spitballing here, but like you know, how people are able

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to They claim that they're able to travel like the

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they meditate or whatever they do, and they are able

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to leave their body like astral projection or something like that,

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where they travel into different realities or planes of existence

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as their travel along this astral plane. I've wondered if

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maybe some of these things, let's just say, if that's true,

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if some of these things live in that different plane

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of existence and somehow some people are able to tap

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into that. So maybe the things that we're seeing have

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always been here and they're just in that different astral

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plane that we're not necessarily able to do on our

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own unless we some have the abilities like some of

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these other people say they do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And maybe you know, I've heard places

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like the Monroe Institute where they do a lot of

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their research on some of these out of body and

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astral projection type things, where they you know, sort of

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say that anybody can do this. It's just that some

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people are really good at it, just like with you know,

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a basketball player. Some people are naturally gifted, and some

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people have to work in the gym six hours a

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day every day to get good at it. I don't

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know if that's reality or if that's you know, a

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theory that holds up, but I have heard things like

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that where you know, potentially we can all access this.

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It's just that some people can do it without hardly trying,

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and other people have to go through these more elaborate

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meditation processes and things like that.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like for me, like, is it your

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consciousness that leaves your body? So if that's the case,

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like it's just your thoughts. So are we actually leaving

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our bodies or our mind just thinking we left our body.

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That's where I kind of get hung up on the

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whole idea, because when we think of things in a

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conscious state, it's like, okay, so we're basicly in like

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a dream world. So what we're dreaming is actually when

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we go to sleep, or we actually in this stream

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or is it just our mind? And people are like, no,

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when you're dreaming and you're just thinking of this stuff,

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how does someone leave their body and take their content

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down the astral plane? It sounds to me like it's

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a dream. So that's where I get kind of yeah,

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it's weird.

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Speaker 2: I think where it gets interesting is when you start

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talking about things like remote viewing, where people are able

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to you know, project their consciousness to another location or

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another time or something and be able to report back

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with information about you know, you hear about the CIA

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or the military using these techniques you know, probably thirty

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or fifty years ago, and then saying, well, we don't

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really do that anymore. Well, maybe they are, and they

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just change the name of it so we didn't think

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they were still doing it. But you know, there are

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some really interesting cases of people.

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Speaker 1: Who have.

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Speaker 2: I think of Joe mcmonagall and his story about being

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able to remote view Soviet sub that was being designed

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and manufactured secretly, and nobody believed him. You know, they

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kind of blew off his his remote viewing reports until

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the thing showed up in the waters. Off the coast

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of northern Russia, and it was unlike anything that we

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had expected, except for it matched up with his description.

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But it does raise that question of like, Okay, if

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you're outside of your body, you don't have your eyes

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and your ears and stuff, what are you seeing.

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Speaker 1: And hearing with? You know what?

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Speaker 2: How was that sensory information being collected?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know how.

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Speaker 3: That works, I asked, I've asked someone before that they

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do an institute, or they supposedly teach people how to

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do this, like how to travel the astral plane, and

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I've never tried because I'm kind of a paranoid person anyways,

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But I asked them what would happen if you're outside

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of your body and you're not able to get back

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to your body. They said, well, it doesn't happen like

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you always just wake up in your back in your body.

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So again, if you just wake up, it just sounds

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more like you're traveling through a dream. So is this

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actually a real thing or are these people just dreaming

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and so weird?

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Speaker 1: I can tell it.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I can tell you an interesting

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story that happened to me at So there's a place

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in Charlottesville, Virginia called the Monroe Institute, and I got

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to go to a program there.

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Speaker 1: It was a week long.

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Speaker 2: Program where they do try to teach you some of

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these things, and they use this sound technology where have

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you heard of like binaural beats?

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Speaker 3: Is that the thing that's supposed to put you in

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like a transit.

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Speaker 2: State kind of Yeah, So what they do is, you

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know brain waves that you know, you've got your your

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alpha brainwave in your delta waves and all these different things.

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They're at a certain frequency. And what they do, as

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I understand it, is, let's say you want to create

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a four hurts wave in somebody's brain. Well, four hurts

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is is really hard to pump through headphones on its

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own because it's a really low frequency. But if you

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put one hundred herts in one ear and one hundred

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and four herts in the other ear, that's a four

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hurts difference and it creates this little waver in your

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brain at four hurts. And so they use these different

481
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:48,319
frequency modulations and things to try and sort of trigger

482
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,559
the brain into different states. Anyway, and they have these

483
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,039
these meditation programs that they do and you go there

484
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:58,079
with a group, I think there are I don't know,

485
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,359
maybe about fifteen people with us, and we all would

486
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,839
do these these sessions at the same time. You'd go

487
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,720
into this each person would have this little dark like

488
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:10,039
pod like dark room that you would go in. You'd

489
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:13,400
put the headphones on, and they'd start the recording. Well,

490
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:19,079
the instructors were in the control room, you know, starting

491
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,079
the recording and giving us a little bit of an

492
00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:23,880
announcement ahead of time, this is what we're doing, and

493
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,119
then we would put the headphones on, we would do

494
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,279
the thing, and then we'd come back out and afterwards

495
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:33,039
and everybody would discuss if they had anything interesting happening.

496
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,720
And there was one person in our group who said,

497
00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:41,559
I feel like I was in the control room, Like

498
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:43,400
I left my body and went into the control room,

499
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,880
because I could see the two instructors talking to each other,

500
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,880
and he was reporting back what they said in their conversation,

501
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:53,799
and so he was asking the instructors. He's like, when

502
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,880
you were in the control room, did you say this

503
00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:59,519
and then you said that back and then kind of

504
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,960
recanted the conversation. But what was really weird about it

505
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,680
was there he said, there was one part of it

506
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,839
that was almost like it was muted, like he couldn't

507
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:14,119
hear it anymore, and the instructors were like, listen, even

508
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,200
when you're doing out of body, you got a knock

509
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,119
before you come into somebody else's private space. And it

510
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,519
turned out the muted part was when they were talking

511
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:28,559
about something that was supposed to be a surprise, and somehow.

512
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,279
Speaker 1: He couldn't hear the surprise.

513
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,319
Speaker 2: Part because he wasn't meant to hear it yet.

514
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: It was a weird It was a weird thing, you know.

515
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,759
Speaker 2: And we had a number of interesting little things like

516
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,799
that happened throughout the week, where people would know things

517
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,359
that there was not really a conventional way to explain.

518
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,359
Speaker 1: How or why they would be able to know that.

519
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: It was a It was a pretty interesting program. I

520
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,559
didn't have any super I didn't like. I didn't have

521
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:01,240
any out of body experiences or anything.

522
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,319
Speaker 1: While I was there. I had some interesting things happen, but.

523
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:08,279
Speaker 2: Nothing on the scale of of what you sometimes hear about.

524
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't had anything like that that I'm aware of,

525
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,480
so I can't really relate to it other than I've

526
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,240
had a random dream of having a nosebleed. In the

527
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:24,240
next day, I had a nosebleed. I mean, yeah, yeah,

528
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:27,480
it's like that a premonition, Like in the same day,

529
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,240
I had a dream about a nosebleed, and then I

530
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,359
will later on and like a couple hours later, I

531
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:32,319
actually had a nose bleed.

532
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: I mean that's strange, but right, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's yeah,

533
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,160
that's like a maybe that was your your little taster

534
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:46,200
of premonitions or something.

535
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,359
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know, it's strange. But

536
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:54,799
some of the other things that that I've kind of

537
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:57,599
wandered about. And I don't know how much of the

538
00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:03,400
cryptid realm you've been involved in, but I know if

539
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,599
you've paid attention, if you have social media or anythink

540
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:10,960
there's a documentary coming out but supposedly is proving the

541
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,119
holy grail of Bigfoot lore, the Patterson Gimlin film as

542
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,279
a hoax, which for almost sixty seventy years now, people

543
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:25,559
have been debating on the legitimacy of that. But what

544
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,799
do you think about stuff like Bigfoot or cryptids and everything.

545
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:31,640
You think that's actually something that's a possibility or is

546
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,839
that not really something you're familiar with too much.

547
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:38,359
Speaker 2: I have had a couple people that I've talked to

548
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:43,240
that have talked about cryptid experiences. It kind of falls

549
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,240
into the same category as all these other things where

550
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:48,480
it's like just out of reach.

551
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: Always, it's always like.

552
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: Not able to quite be verified, which is tantalizing.

553
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,839
Speaker 1: It's also.

554
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,559
Speaker 2: I'm exploring with the the research I'm doing in the

555
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,279
in the book that I wrote, and I'm working on

556
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:11,480
a second one of a similar type. It's hard to

557
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,960
it's hard to know for sure. I'm open to these

558
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,359
things being real, but.

559
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: Maybe not. Maybe there's something.

560
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: Maybe they fall into that same category of like it's

561
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,640
more complicated than we think than just, you know, a

562
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:34,079
unknown primate wandering the woods.

563
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it is. I don't know.

564
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: I just feel like if there is something out there

565
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,039
that would be a flesh and blood type creature, we

566
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:47,079
would have figured out by now at least something like, right, yeah,

567
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:51,960
there's been no bones, there's been no body or whatever,

568
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:53,880
and people say, how often we're out in the woods.

569
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,640
Maybe they bury their dead. They come up with all

570
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,200
sorts of plausible excuses. But at the same time, it

571
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,720
still doesn't matter in the sense of, look how much

572
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,240
of the world we've uncovered. We've discovered dinosaur bones and

573
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:09,000
everything else, But yet we've still not found any sort

574
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:14,200
of relic of a giant homined living around here, you

575
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,119
know what I mean. At some point you have to

576
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,920
have a breeding population to keep it alive. And for

577
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,359
the amount of people that come out saying they've had

578
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:25,920
sightings but yet still no proof, it doesn't make any

579
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,960
sort of sense. We all have phones today, and everyone

580
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,640
has excuses as to why the phones aren't getting good

581
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:34,200
quality photos. I was like, I just shot a documentary

582
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,200
with a phone and I've got good quality on there.

583
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:38,839
So I don't believe the fact that these people are

584
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:41,240
filming the same things with the same sort of technology

585
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:45,839
and everything looks like a blurret out tree. It just

586
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,759
I don't know. Like I said, the skeptic in me

587
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,680
wants to like not really say, oh yeah, I don't

588
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,839
believe it. But at the same time, it's like, what

589
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,039
are people seeing? I don't think everyone's just making things

590
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,319
up for attention. Obviously people are seeing something, but I

591
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:00,960
don't know what it is.

592
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

593
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: And you know that you get that argument sometimes that

594
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,599
that people are just doing this for attention, or doing

595
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,920
it for money, or doing it for you know, these

596
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,800
other motivations.

597
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,159
Speaker 1: But There were people that I talked to that were like,

598
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:16,159
I don't want my name out there.

599
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,519
Speaker 2: I don't want, you know, please change the geographic locations

600
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:22,800
of where I am because I don't want people finding out.

601
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,559
Sometimes there were people that were like, they would tell

602
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:27,599
me their story and then they reach out to me

603
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,679
later and say, you know what, I'm not, I don't

604
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,559
want you to share this.

605
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: After all.

606
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,079
Speaker 2: I kind of getting cold feet about having my story

607
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:35,360
out in the world.

608
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: And yet their life.

609
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:41,639
Speaker 2: The trajectory of their life changed because of this experience,

610
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:47,000
and so that almost gives it more credibility that they're like,

611
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:51,119
I don't want my I don't want attention at all,

612
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,119
you know, so I don't know. I My approach with

613
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:59,840
with exploring these topics is to sort of suspend dis

614
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:05,280
belief while I'm talking to people and just take them

615
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,159
at their word and listen to their story and listen

616
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:15,360
to how it impacted them and not try to do

617
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:19,400
the investigator job. There's plenty of people doing that. There's

618
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,480
plenty of ways to debate that and question it, and

619
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,119
you know, not saying that that's good or bad. It's

620
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:32,559
just a different lane than where I am because to me,

621
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,159
the stories are the interesting part. Maybe someday we will

622
00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:43,199
get answers on you know, are these cryptids real? And

623
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:45,679
maybe the answers are different from one to another. You know,

624
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,039
maybe some cryptids are legit, and maybe the others are

625
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:55,599
part of myth and folklore, and maybe some of them

626
00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:58,679
are tied to some kind of weird non human intelligence

627
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,840
thing or interdimensial.

628
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

629
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: It's what makes it interesting to me is that these.

630
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: Topics keep.

631
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,599
Speaker 2: I guess I would say, like, if you decide you're

632
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:18,039
going to study I don't know, physics, you're gonna spend

633
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:20,880
time and you're gonna get more and more answers and

634
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:24,800
fewer and fewer questions, Whereas with this topic, it seems

635
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,199
like it's the other way. It's almost like it's teasing

636
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,039
us to keep asking more and more questions as we

637
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:31,199
dig further into this.

638
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 3: So, right, that's kind of how the concept of my

639
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,119
show is. I don't I'm not trying to prove or

640
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:41,440
disprove anyone. I'm giving everyone a platform to come on

641
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:48,519
and share their experiences, and whether I believe it or not,

642
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,800
which I believe everyone that comes on here believes what

643
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,800
they're telling me. But I can't prove one way or

644
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,000
the other if what they're telling me is accurate or

645
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:02,280
not misliked to unification or something else I wasn't yeah,

646
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,719
or you know what I mean. Like, so I can't

647
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,400
say I can't say one way or the other, like

648
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,960
I take everyone at their word. So it's for yeah,

649
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:13,039
I'm not trying to tell someone no, that's not what

650
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:14,960
happened to you, because who the hell am I to

651
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,519
say that, you.

652
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:21,159
Speaker 1: Know, right, Yeah, but yeah, it's just.

653
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:25,119
Speaker 3: A way for people to come to terms and get

654
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,679
it out there that, you know what, I experienced something

655
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,599
strange and I don't know how to deal with it

656
00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:30,159
at this point.

657
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I mean there were times in our

658
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,920
history where we thought that the Earth was the center

659
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,239
of the Solar system, or the center of the galaxy,

660
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,159
or the center of the universe. And as you know,

661
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,440
the centuries went on, we figured out more stuff and

662
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,960
we're able to find new ways to measure things. And

663
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,239
now we get to a point where we you know,

664
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,199
every every generation probably thinks we've we've almost got this

665
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,840
all figured out. You know, we've got just these little

666
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,440
corners of mystery. You know, maybe in our case it's

667
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,519
you know, that some of the quantum mechanics things that

668
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:12,440
don't quite work the way we intuitively expect them to do,

669
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:15,239
but we can test them and show that they do.

670
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:22,480
But in reality, maybe there's a lot more complexity or

671
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:26,119
weirdness to the universe and we just haven't figured out

672
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:29,039
how to measure it or how to explain it, or

673
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:33,599
what is behind it. Maybe we're just we just need

674
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:38,840
to be a little more sort of humble about how

675
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,039
much we actually understand. A thousand years from now, are

676
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:44,519
we going to look back and say, man, those people

677
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:50,400
used to think that, you know, solid fuel rocket boosters

678
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,519
worth the way to get to the moon?

679
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: Who knows?

680
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,039
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, when you've done all these stories and the

681
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:02,440
things you've collected over the years, out of all the topics,

682
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,599
like is there a specific type of topic that you

683
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,000
enjoy the most? Like obviously you have the paranormal, and

684
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:11,159
you have UFOs or anything like that, Like, is there

685
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,000
any one that you kind of prefer?

686
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 2: I think the UFO topic has been the one that's

687
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:22,639
probably I come back to the most, although some of

688
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:27,360
the near death experience and past life memory stuff is

689
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:34,199
really intriguing too. Some of the more traditional like paranormal

690
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:37,719
and ghost story things, not that they're not fascinating, but

691
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:44,360
they don't have the same don't have the same level

692
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,559
of draw for me as some of these other topics,

693
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:51,360
although a really good story sometimes will draw me in

694
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,079
no matter what it's about. Like, there was somebody I

695
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:56,159
talked to who she grew up in this house that

696
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,599
seemed to be haunted by this little girl. And she

697
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:04,239
got to know this little girl who was living you know,

698
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,199
in the spirit realm or whatever terminology you want to use,

699
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,679
moved out of that house, grew up, and went back

700
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,920
to talk to the current owners of that house to

701
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:19,960
see if they had any similar experiences, and they reported

702
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,840
that when they were doing some landscaping they found a

703
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,760
little girl's bones. They had to have the police come

704
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,119
out and do forendics and try and find out what

705
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:33,400
the why there was a body buried under their landscaping,

706
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,039
and it turned out that it was a family grave

707
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,480
of a little girl who died there, and the age

708
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,679
matched up and everything, And that's like, I'm all here

709
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:47,320
for that kind of story. I'm you you can take

710
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,000
your skeptic brain and come up with all kinds of

711
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:52,599
explanations and not to say that that's not a valid

712
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:56,320
way to look at it too, but I'm still fascinated.

713
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah. I don't know what it is though when

714
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,000
it comes to stories, and maybe it's hits close to

715
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:04,039
home because we've had our own run ins around here

716
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:08,840
with weird little things that I can't explain when it

717
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,960
comes to paranormal stuff. But I uh, I always find

718
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,360
it creepier when children are involved. I don't know. It's like,

719
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:22,760
maybe because I'm I got my own kids and stuff too,

720
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,000
maybe my kids are just creepy, But just something about

721
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,360
kids kind of creep me out when it comes to paranormal.

722
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or the kids that yeah, when when they

723
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:37,039
when it's a kid that's seeing something that you're not seeing, right,

724
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:41,199
remembering their their family from before, and you're like, what

725
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,559
are you talking about? You know that can definitely make

726
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:45,960
the hair on the back of your next stand up.

727
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 3: My daughter used to have an imaginary friend and then

728
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,119
she told us this was because she's a ghost. And

729
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:55,119
that was a couple of years ago. Now my youngest

730
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:57,840
has an imaginary friend, so we think he's imaginary, but

731
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,159
he is four year years old, just like my son,

732
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,679
but he has a beard. It was like, oh, that's interesting.

733
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:07,280
That is interesting.

734
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

735
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he told he's four years old and he

736
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,840
lives in the house and he has it looks like him,

737
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,920
but he has a beard. I was like, oh, okay,

738
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,440
so I don't I don't try, and I don't want

739
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,199
to ask any more questions. I don't want to know.

740
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:26,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

741
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, but just here recently, my wife heard a voice

742
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,280
in her ear one night. I was like three in

743
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,039
the morning, and she heard a raspy hello, and the

744
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,599
dog set up because it heard it too, so she

745
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,079
came back into the bed and was terrified. I was like, yeah,

746
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,199
just go to sleep. So we have our own little

747
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,960
random events here on and off, so when it comes

748
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,599
to paranormal I don't really I guess that doesn't really

749
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:57,400
bother me as much. It's like I live in it,

750
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,800
so it's not really a big deal to me.

751
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well I.

752
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 3: Usually go on for about an hour, but it is

753
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,320
a little later if we got started later and it

754
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:13,519
for whatever reason, the state of Indiana is bipolar and

755
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,760
decided to go from seventy degrees to basically wind chills

756
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,039
in the negatives today, So within less than twenty four hours,

757
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:28,079
we've went from seventies to negatives and it's freezing out here,

758
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,039
So I was going to say, is there anything else

759
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,119
you would like to discuss before we wrap it up,

760
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:36,039
because I'd like to talk a little bit more about

761
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:36,519
your book.

762
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: I guess just if there's people out there that have

763
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,880
interesting stories that they want me to hear, you can

764
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,639
track me down on various social media platforms, or through

765
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:54,719
my website or just strange lightbook dot.

766
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:58,159
Speaker 1: Com is probably the easiest way to find all my links.

767
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 3: So with this book, that is, do they get it

768
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,320
from your website or can they get it off Amazon? Like?

769
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,280
Where is it all available for them?

770
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wherever find books are sold. As they say,

771
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:11,400
you can get it from the website. You can get

772
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,079
it if you want to sign copy, the website's the

773
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:15,000
way to go. You can get it through Amazon. You

774
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:18,679
can get it through Barnes and Nobles website or Books

775
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:21,159
a Million. You're not gonna find it on shelves in

776
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,199
a lot of bookstores, but yeah, you can buy it

777
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,079
online from from your favorite retailer.

778
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 3: And you said this is the first book you'd written. Yeah, yeah,

779
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,519
Do you plan on doing a follow up or another one?

780
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,039
Speaker 1: Yeah?

781
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:37,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm working on a follow up. Now basically the

782
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:41,639
same format, just looking for more stories and then trying

783
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,079
even harder to make some sense of the whole picture.

784
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: M h. I don't know that.

785
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: You know, people have been studying this for as long

786
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,480
as people have been seeing weird things in the in

787
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:58,639
the night or in the sky or whatever. So I

788
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:00,199
don't know that I'm the one that's gonna come up

789
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:05,119
with the answers, but it's still keeping me interested.

790
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 3: I think people like you and people like myself and

791
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,400
some of the other ones out there that do this

792
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,039
out of the curiosity and just seeking the stories and

793
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:20,280
the trying to find the missing pieces of the puzzle,

794
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,320
I think we do the job of helping others come

795
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,639
forward with it. So for anyone listening, if you have

796
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:31,960
a story, I would definitely reach out to him and

797
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,880
he can maybe include it in his book, because I

798
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,800
think it's going to take it's going to take a

799
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,360
lot of people coming forward with the stories for and

800
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,800
that just might be that one missing piece that kind

801
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,559
of connects the whole thing together. You never know.

802
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, the part of what I was hoping

803
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:54,119
to do with this book was to kind of play

804
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:56,800
some small part in reducing the stigma around talking about

805
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,599
these things because there's people that have these experiences that

806
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:01,280
never talk talk about them because they don't want to

807
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,400
be labeled as crazy or you know, or whatever. And

808
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,239
sometimes I get people talking to me that are like,

809
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,239
you know, I haven't told this to anyone, this part

810
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,119
of it because it sounds so crazy, but this is

811
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:17,239
what really happened. And you know that that there's a

812
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,079
there's a trust involved that I appreciate from people when

813
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:23,840
they're talking to me, and I do try to return

814
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,360
that trust by you know, I'm not going to put

815
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,360
anything out that sensationalizes somebody's story. I'm not going to

816
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:34,280
put anything out that twists it or anything. Everybody that

817
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,840
that's in my book got to review what I wrote

818
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,519
before it went out, and that's part of just that

819
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,840
building trust to be more comfortable talking about these topics, even.

820
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:48,199
Speaker 1: Though they're they're weird and hard to understand.

821
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the more people that can kick the

822
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:56,960
stigma of the taboo is off and we become more

823
00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:59,199
open to talking about this thing will actually help a

824
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:03,639
lot of people, because I do believe they're I honestly

825
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:06,039
think a lot of people have experiences and most of

826
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:09,719
them are either writing an off or they don't want

827
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,760
to talk about it, so they just ignore it because

828
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,840
if they acknowledge it, then that's admitting that it's real,

829
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:18,480
you know what I mean. So for them, they just

830
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:20,719
ignore it and go about their business and they don't

831
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,000
even want to talk about it, and they don't even

832
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,880
think about it because then they don't have to deal

833
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,719
with it, like if you actually admit that there's something

834
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,840
weird going on or hey, I've seen something strange, and

835
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,400
they got to come back and actually deal with the

836
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:37,360
fact that they actually experience something they can't explain, right, Yeah.

837
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it is hard sometimes to accept that

838
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:46,199
weird things happen, and yeah, you do. Some people more

839
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,440
than others completely want to write it off and pretend

840
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,639
it never happened. And then there's other people who embrace

841
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:56,079
it and go the other direction with it, and you know,

842
00:47:56,119 --> 00:48:00,280
maybe they get interested in meditation or crystals are There's

843
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,280
all different directions people can go with it.

844
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,199
Speaker 3: Start a podcast, interview other people were experience.

845
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, exactly, do.

846
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: So again. For anyone that would be interested in fighting

847
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,239
your book, what is your website? If you send me

848
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,599
the link and everything, I can also include that in

849
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:21,119
the show notes for people listening.

850
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the book is called Strange Light and the

851
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,280
website is Strange lightbook dot com.

852
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 3: Okay, and if anyone has anything that they would like

853
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,880
to reach out with you ad they can get all

854
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:34,840
of you through the website.

855
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

856
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll have all my you know, contact information and

857
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,559
socials and things like that so people can find me.

858
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:43,519
Speaker 1: Awesome.

859
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:46,599
Speaker 3: Well, I think we can wrap this one up because

860
00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:49,079
at this point my feet are no so.

861
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, go get warmed up.

862
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: Sorry to listeners, but my my thermometer out here said

863
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,320
it is in the twenties, so not really. I didn't

864
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,559
turn the heat on out here because again it's been

865
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:05,760
in the seventies and I didn't really think about flipping

866
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,360
the heater on at this point. So I'm kind of

867
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:07,920
your freezing.

868
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in I'm in North Carolina, and I think

869
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,480
we're not far behind you. I don't think the cold

870
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:14,639
is is just now starting to hit us, and by

871
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:16,840
morning it's going to be here too.

872
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,559
Speaker 3: They claim the wind chills, which I don't know if

873
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:21,599
anyone can hear the wind in the background, but I'm

874
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:23,800
not hearing my studio and the wind is ripping because

875
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,800
it's terribly windy and the wind chills will be negative

876
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,400
seven in the morning. It was like, how do we

877
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,199
go from like seventy two degrees to negative seven? It's ridiculous.

878
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's some that's some whiplash right there.

879
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:46,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Indiana gotta be bipolar on the weather. Well Edson,

880
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:47,320
It's been a pleasure talking with you.

881
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:51,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a pleasure talking to you too. Thanks

882
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:52,199
for having me on. I appreciate it.

883
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a problem. You have a good night.

884
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: Thank you you too.

885
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,199
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886
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890
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