Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
of there.
Speaker 2: I was done.
Speaker 1: I wasn't dealing with that.
Speaker 2: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
that turned me away the quickest.
Speaker 1: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
looked at us.
Speaker 3: And one of the things I remember the most where
the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.
Speaker 1: It is just circling.
Speaker 3: These steps like it is waiting for me. And he
begins to tell them that he saw a UFO.
Speaker 2: They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven
foot up on a tree, peeking around it and that's
where I saw the top of the muzzle, those and
the eyes as soon as I made eye contact with
this thing.
Speaker 1: And don't like death.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to sant Foil Tell's. I'm your host, Brandon,
and I'm rejoined by my guest Edson. Thanks for coming
here and talking to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Would you like to let the audience know a little
bit about yourself?
Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I am an author. I just published my first book
last year. It's called Strange Light, and it is a
collection of first hand accounts of people who have had weird,
unexplained paranormal experiences of any sort. I basically interviewed a
bunch of people that had all different kinds of unexplainable experiences,
and then I kind of just stepped in and acted
as storyteller. I tried to keep the stories as close
to their actual account as I could.
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to sort.
Speaker 2: Of fictionalize it or dramatize it. The changes that went
in would have been like for anity and things like that.
But yeah, so the book kind of reads like a
collection of short stories, but based on people's real experiences.
Speaker 3: Is this something that you've always been interested in or
what kind of led you into wanting to write something
about those?
Speaker 1: Well, not exactly.
Speaker 2: I you know, as a kid, UFOs were interesting, and
you know, some of the ancient technology type books that
were out back in those days, and you know, there
were things that were interesting to me, but it didn't
stick with me into adulthood.
Speaker 1: I kind of just assumed.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I was a skeptic exactly, but
I was not fully on board with the reality of
you know, ghosts and psychic phenomenon and UFOs and things
like that. I just thought, well, that's something that maybe
it's real. I don't know, but I didn't really think
much about it. But over the last few years have
kind of chipped away at my view of the universe
and how strange it may or may not be. You know,
things like the Congressional testimony about Unidentified aerial Phenomena by
David Grush and the New York Times articles, some documentaries
that I've seen about things like kids with past life
memories that seem to be that the details seemed to
be verifiable to back to real people, and it just
sort of led me little by little to this point
where I was reading books about people's experiences, like there's
a book called Earth, a love story by a woman
named Robin Lassiter. I read a book called U of
God by Chris Bledsoe, and a few other things like
that where people talking about their experiences. Just got me
really hooked on trying to understand, you know, what was
going on. I still don't, you know, after writing this book,
I have more questions than I did when I started.
But it's a lot of fun to explore these topics,
and yeah, I don't know exactly what I'm looking for
or what I'm going to find, but it's I think
what's fascinating about these topics is that it leads to
more and more questions.
Speaker 1: You never really get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 3: It seems like that's the one thing I struggle with
is I'm always searching for answers, and the more you dig,
the more questions you come out with instead of answers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Somebody told me when when I was early in this project,
somebody told me, you know, you get down this rabbit hole,
and then you get down in this other rabbit hole,
and you get on this other rabbit hole, and you
find out all the rabbit holes are connected.
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 3: I feel like and I've said it before, so we're
probably on the same wavelength, but I think a lot
of the strange phenomena all ties together one way or another.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely some overlap there. I can't say that
I understand it, but yeah, there's there's something going on.
Speaker 3: Out of all the things that you've researched and interviewed
with other people, what are some of the ones that
kind of stand out to you that you would like
to share with us in the audience, because obviously they
influence enough to try and write a book into it
and research and everything. So what were some of the
ones that like stood out to you that you think
were probably the most credible.
Speaker 1: That's a tough one, it's so so.
Speaker 2: I do want to say that I went into this
as a storyteller, not as like an investigator. So I
people sometimes would bring me, you know, evidence in some
form or another of maybe some some you know, photos
that they had taken of what they were seeing, or
physical objects that played into their experience or things like that,
but I didn't really spend a lot of time on
those because I was interested in the the experience itself
and in the aftermath of that. So, like, what effect
did this have on your life going forward after this
crazy weird thing happened. But some of the ones that
come to mind, it's tough. It's like picking your favorite kid,
you know. There's all these stories that I came to
know inside and out from talking to these people.
Speaker 1: And the one that that.
Speaker 2: I keep thinking about is one of my neighbors found
out I was working on this book and said hey,
I want to talk to you about something, and we
met up for coffee and he was telling me about
how he his adult son had passed away at this
awful accident on a job site.
Speaker 1: He was he was cleaning gutters and he had a
leaf blower backpack on.
Speaker 2: He was going up a ladder and he fell off
the ladder and the weight of the leaf blower. Basically,
he just he died on impact. And it was a
real tragic story. And this was a kid who had
been kind of known in the community from being a
high school athlete, and you know, he was he was
headed for bigger things in college, but then he had
a kid and decided to put all that on hold
and become a single dad. His the the I don't
know exactly what happened with the mother, but anyway, so
it was this tragic story. And my neighbor was telling
me about this and telling me how in the moment
that it happened. Uh, somehow he heard his son cry
out for him, even though they were nowhere near each other,
and that really stuck with him. He had never believed
in any of these things and had never really thought about,
you know, any kind of paranormal or afterlife kinds of things.
He was, you know, a hardcore skeptic. But from that
point forward, he kept getting these little signs and and
things would would fall into his lap just at the
right time, Like they had a lawsuit because of the
death of the job, and then they had a custody
battle and things. Because I'm trying to simplify the story
a little bit, because you know, the the person who
died worked for another family member, and there was a
whole lawsuit. But things kept falling into place, you know, unexpectedly,
my neighbor got a piece of mail that was really
relevant for the court case that wasn't even addressed to him.
It was addressed to his ex in another town. He
doesn't even know exactly how it ended up in his mailbox.
And then just this whole series of things where the
insurance company told them it was going to take weeks
or months to get this information, but the tryout was
already underway and they ended up getting it with in
like days, right when they needed it, and it turned
the case. And so there were a lot of little
synchronicities and signs and things going on that it really
it was a really sort of touching story because here
was somebody who didn't believe in any of this stuff,
and then it was just sort of it kept getting
put right in his face over and over again, and
he believes it helped him get through this tragic event
and get his grandson placed in the right family and
helping with the court case and all these things. And
he said, now, after all this, he's open to anything.
He's like, if you tell me you saw a UFO,
I'm going to believe you. If you tell me that
you know your reincarnation of your great great uncle, I'm
going to believe you.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 2: You know, it just changed his whole worldview in a
matter of you know, months.
Speaker 3: Something like that is. I guess people can look at
it in different aspects to it, But for me, some
people would see it like maybe this is a sign
of something, or some people will write it off as well,
that's just someone looking for a sign just to deal
with it as a coping mechanism, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I come off of things kind of skeptical, and I
try and rationalize things. But there's so much stuff that
I've learned that being a skeptic about stuff, you can't
necessarily because you can't explain it. So there's a lot
of things that become unexplainable. And that's where I think
the whole paranormal supernatural element comes into play because even
though we can't explain it in logical terms, we think
it's something not normal. Maybe this is something normal, we're
just not used to it or we don't see it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what was interesting is talking to these various
people with all these different types of experiences. It a
lot of times they were their own biggest skeptic.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like they would say, I keep trying to tell
myself this couldn't have actually happened, but.
Speaker 1: It did, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I get that a lot when I'm talking
to people where they're like, I sometimes wonder if I'm
just going crazy, but you know, life has put me
in this spot where I can't deny what happened, and
it does it does make you wonder about, you know, people,
When I would talk to people, you always felt that
sincerity come through the emotions.
Speaker 1: It's hard to fake that.
Speaker 2: The the detail, the level of detail in some of
these like near death experiences or UFO experiences, things like that.
Speaker 1: It's it's either you know, it's it's easy to write.
Speaker 2: These things off as oh, it was just a dream,
or the person has a really vivid imagination or they
were taking drugs or whatever. But you know, it's it
gets hard after you hear enough of these stories to
not think that there's something bigger going on that we
just don't like.
Speaker 1: Like you said, we don't know exactly.
Speaker 2: How to measure it or we don't know how to
take it into account in our current framework.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it has to do with
what we're able to accept as being like a real situation.
Because the average person, if you tell them you've had
some sort of an experience, maybe it's like paranormal or something.
I think people are a little more open to like
the whole ghost idea or even like a UFO. But
you start telling people you saw like some weird bigfoot
or something like that, then that's even more into the
plane of people are going to be like, oh, okay,
you know what I mean. Yeah, it becomes more unbelievable
to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Well, and there's definitely I think about this sometimes that
there's definitely stigma around some of these topics, but they
come from different places.
Speaker 1: So if you're talking about ghosts and.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, contact after death or things like that,
sometimes you'll get people who lean more religious being afraid
of that because maybe it's demonic or maybe it's something
we shouldn't be messing with. But if you go to
the other end, if you go to like the UFO topic,
then you've got people who are more science minded saying,
oh that you know, there's no proof and this isn't
you know, verified by by evidence or whatever. But I
sometimes think, you know, the church, the religion, or the
you know, military industrial complex, sometimes those people in power
have reasons to encourage a stigma around these things if
it threatens, you know, something that that they feel keeps
their power intact. So you know, not to go all
conspiracy theorists, but we know that you know, the Air
Force and some other entities in the military industrial complex
to practice those you know, misinformation or disinformation tactics in
certain scenarios, and you know, if this is real, that
they'd have lots of reason to do that. So yeah,
it's hard not to think that along those lines.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel like when it comes to stuff like that,
they do push a narrative that they want out there
and certain things that they don't want us to know.
I often wonder if it's not because it's not that
they aren't aware of what it is, but I think
they can't control it, and I think that plays a
big part into it, because if they don't have the
control over these phenomena, that means that they're not in
the all encompassing power, you know what I mean, Like
something's above them, and I don't think they want Joe
Public to know that they're not in control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: If they came out and said, there's something in our
airspace and we can't do anything about it, that doesn't
sound good. If we're spending a trillion dollars on you know,
defense contracts and military and all that stuff. So yeah,
it definitely can can be plausible at least, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I kind of look at it, as
I think they're aware that there's things out there, I
just don't know if they're able. I don't think. I
don't think everything is non human intelligence or extraterrestrial or
something like that. I think a lot of the stuff
that we are seeing could be possibly something that we're
messing around with. But at the same time, I think
there's also stuff out there that they can't explain, and
that's where the gray area is. Because they don't want
to admit to it, but they also don't want to
I guess it's like plausible deniability. They don't want to
say one way or the other. That way, they they're
not really held liable one way or the other.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Yeah, And if there is some kind of
non human advanced intelligence out there that's that's looking down
at us or or you know, studying us, it may
be the case that they don't want us to be
aware of them. And so that's why you can't ever
really get good evidence, because if they are more advanced
than us to you know, beyond a certain point, they
may have a lot more control over what we can
capture or what we can collect about them. You know,
we we think about the military and stealth technology, but
if you're coming from a whole other ecosystem or a
whole other manner of existence, you may have some some
capabilities that you know, we don't even understand, and and
it makes it harder for us to to to collect
on that if they don't want us collecting data. I
don't know if that's the reality of it, but it's
a you know, it's something that I think about.
Speaker 3: I think like they've been dropping interdimensional a lot lately.
That's like a word that's been very podcast friendly here
for the last like five six, maybe up to ten years.
People talk about interdimensional stuff, and obviously that's not anything
new because dating myself, but like the Ninja Turtles you
had di mens X, where all the cringing all the
other stuff was from. So yeah, the theory of dimensions
and different stuff is not as necessarily anything new, but
it is new or in the sense that the government
has come out and mentioned it.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, that people are taking it more seriously.
All these not even just interdimensional but sometimes you get
these like crypto terrestrials, so it's some kind of an
intelligence that lives under ground or under the at the
bottom of the ocean or something, or maybe you know,
there's there's a lot of different theories that it used
to be that everybody just sort of was like, well,
they're little gray dudes and they flew here in a
metal ship from you know, Zeta Reticula or something.
Speaker 1: And then as we got further into this.
Speaker 2: They started going, well, you know, maybe maybe we're making
some assumptions based on our sort of nineteen fifties sci
fi mentality. And maybe there's something else to this instead
of instead of just the quote unquote conventional explanation.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what kind of evidence there is
in those, you know, top secret clearance programs of interdimensional
or some other variation, but it is interesting to hear
them sort of at least I don't know that the
government exactly is saying it, but people from those positions
of knowing have come out in various ways and said, yeah,
this is something we're considering.
Speaker 3: I've talked about this in a couple of different episodes,
and I kind of want to see what you think
about this. But throughout history there have been reports of
and it kind of goes back along throughout all of
our history. But let's just say, like in Europe, they
used to have stories of like fayfolk, like the fairies
and other type of creatures, and they used to have
fairy abductions, like people used to come out in the
woods or whatever they'd get taken. They'd say fairies took them. Well,
in modern times, people are being abducted by aliens, same
kind of concept, and if you look at the stories,
they're all very reminiscent of the same thing. What if
people were being abducted back then, and what they called
them the fay like little beans from a different reality,
like they lived in a different dimension. And now we're
getting alien abductions, we're calling them ets or whatever we
want to call them. What if it's all been the
same thing all along, but as we've evolved, we've started
to call them stuff differently.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Yeah, I think there is something potentially to that.
The other factor that I think about along those lines is,
you know, sometimes I think I think people have written
about this idea too, that sometimes whatever this phenomenon is
kind of maps onto the technology of our time or
the or the mythology of our time or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You hear stories about these airships back in the eighteen
hundreds or something that were unexplained and people reported them
looking different than what they report now. But maybe there's
you know, this this whole mind to mind can be
munication thing comes up a lot in abduction stories and
in paranormal things where you're getting communication without you know,
audible or vocal communication. You're getting this almost like telepathic
kind of communication.
Speaker 1: So maybe there's.
Speaker 2: An element of if they can, if they can whatever
this is, if it can push thoughts into our heads
or create a two way communication. Maybe that same thing
kind of happens with the visuals, where part of it
is our interpretation of you know, in the context of
our culture or our time or whatever, our interpretation doing it,
our brains doing the best it can to map onto
things we understand and not really able to do it.
Speaker 3: I kind of wonder if, like this is just me
spitballing here, but like you know, how people are able
to They claim that they're able to travel like the
they meditate or whatever they do, and they are able
to leave their body like astral projection or something like that,
where they travel into different realities or planes of existence
as their travel along this astral plane. I've wondered if
maybe some of these things, let's just say, if that's true,
if some of these things live in that different plane
of existence and somehow some people are able to tap
into that. So maybe the things that we're seeing have
always been here and they're just in that different astral
plane that we're not necessarily able to do on our
own unless we some have the abilities like some of
these other people say they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And maybe you know, I've heard places
like the Monroe Institute where they do a lot of
their research on some of these out of body and
astral projection type things, where they you know, sort of
say that anybody can do this. It's just that some
people are really good at it, just like with you know,
a basketball player. Some people are naturally gifted, and some
people have to work in the gym six hours a
day every day to get good at it. I don't
know if that's reality or if that's you know, a
theory that holds up, but I have heard things like
that where you know, potentially we can all access this.
It's just that some people can do it without hardly trying,
and other people have to go through these more elaborate
meditation processes and things like that.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like for me, like, is it your
consciousness that leaves your body? So if that's the case,
like it's just your thoughts. So are we actually leaving
our bodies or our mind just thinking we left our body.
That's where I kind of get hung up on the
whole idea, because when we think of things in a
conscious state, it's like, okay, so we're basicly in like
a dream world. So what we're dreaming is actually when
we go to sleep, or we actually in this stream
or is it just our mind? And people are like, no,
when you're dreaming and you're just thinking of this stuff,
how does someone leave their body and take their content
down the astral plane? It sounds to me like it's
a dream. So that's where I get kind of yeah,
it's weird.
Speaker 2: I think where it gets interesting is when you start
talking about things like remote viewing, where people are able
to you know, project their consciousness to another location or
another time or something and be able to report back
with information about you know, you hear about the CIA
or the military using these techniques you know, probably thirty
or fifty years ago, and then saying, well, we don't
really do that anymore. Well, maybe they are, and they
just change the name of it so we didn't think
they were still doing it. But you know, there are
some really interesting cases of people.
Speaker 1: Who have.
Speaker 2: I think of Joe mcmonagall and his story about being
able to remote view Soviet sub that was being designed
and manufactured secretly, and nobody believed him. You know, they
kind of blew off his his remote viewing reports until
the thing showed up in the waters. Off the coast
of northern Russia, and it was unlike anything that we
had expected, except for it matched up with his description.
But it does raise that question of like, Okay, if
you're outside of your body, you don't have your eyes
and your ears and stuff, what are you seeing.
Speaker 1: And hearing with? You know what?
Speaker 2: How was that sensory information being collected?
Speaker 1: And I don't know how.
Speaker 3: That works, I asked, I've asked someone before that they
do an institute, or they supposedly teach people how to
do this, like how to travel the astral plane, and
I've never tried because I'm kind of a paranoid person anyways,
But I asked them what would happen if you're outside
of your body and you're not able to get back
to your body. They said, well, it doesn't happen like
you always just wake up in your back in your body.
So again, if you just wake up, it just sounds
more like you're traveling through a dream. So is this
actually a real thing or are these people just dreaming
and so weird?
Speaker 1: I can tell it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I can tell you an interesting
story that happened to me at So there's a place
in Charlottesville, Virginia called the Monroe Institute, and I got
to go to a program there.
Speaker 1: It was a week long.
Speaker 2: Program where they do try to teach you some of
these things, and they use this sound technology where have
you heard of like binaural beats?
Speaker 3: Is that the thing that's supposed to put you in
like a transit.
Speaker 2: State kind of Yeah, So what they do is, you
know brain waves that you know, you've got your your
alpha brainwave in your delta waves and all these different things.
They're at a certain frequency. And what they do, as
I understand it, is, let's say you want to create
a four hurts wave in somebody's brain. Well, four hurts
is is really hard to pump through headphones on its
own because it's a really low frequency. But if you
put one hundred herts in one ear and one hundred
and four herts in the other ear, that's a four
hurts difference and it creates this little waver in your
brain at four hurts. And so they use these different
frequency modulations and things to try and sort of trigger
the brain into different states. Anyway, and they have these
these meditation programs that they do and you go there
with a group, I think there are I don't know,
maybe about fifteen people with us, and we all would
do these these sessions at the same time. You'd go
into this each person would have this little dark like
pod like dark room that you would go in. You'd
put the headphones on, and they'd start the recording. Well,
the instructors were in the control room, you know, starting
the recording and giving us a little bit of an
announcement ahead of time, this is what we're doing, and
then we would put the headphones on, we would do
the thing, and then we'd come back out and afterwards
and everybody would discuss if they had anything interesting happening.
And there was one person in our group who said,
I feel like I was in the control room, Like
I left my body and went into the control room,
because I could see the two instructors talking to each other,
and he was reporting back what they said in their conversation,
and so he was asking the instructors. He's like, when
you were in the control room, did you say this
and then you said that back and then kind of
recanted the conversation. But what was really weird about it
was there he said, there was one part of it
that was almost like it was muted, like he couldn't
hear it anymore, and the instructors were like, listen, even
when you're doing out of body, you got a knock
before you come into somebody else's private space. And it
turned out the muted part was when they were talking
about something that was supposed to be a surprise, and somehow.
Speaker 1: He couldn't hear the surprise.
Speaker 2: Part because he wasn't meant to hear it yet.
Speaker 1: It was a weird It was a weird thing, you know.
Speaker 2: And we had a number of interesting little things like
that happened throughout the week, where people would know things
that there was not really a conventional way to explain.
Speaker 1: How or why they would be able to know that.
Speaker 2: It was a It was a pretty interesting program. I
didn't have any super I didn't like. I didn't have
any out of body experiences or anything.
Speaker 1: While I was there. I had some interesting things happen, but.
Speaker 2: Nothing on the scale of of what you sometimes hear about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't had anything like that that I'm aware of,
so I can't really relate to it other than I've
had a random dream of having a nosebleed. In the
next day, I had a nosebleed. I mean, yeah, yeah,
it's like that a premonition, Like in the same day,
I had a dream about a nosebleed, and then I
will later on and like a couple hours later, I
actually had a nose bleed.
Speaker 2: I mean that's strange, but right, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's yeah,
that's like a maybe that was your your little taster
of premonitions or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know, it's strange. But
some of the other things that that I've kind of
wandered about. And I don't know how much of the
cryptid realm you've been involved in, but I know if
you've paid attention, if you have social media or anythink
there's a documentary coming out but supposedly is proving the
holy grail of Bigfoot lore, the Patterson Gimlin film as
a hoax, which for almost sixty seventy years now, people
have been debating on the legitimacy of that. But what
do you think about stuff like Bigfoot or cryptids and everything.
You think that's actually something that's a possibility or is
that not really something you're familiar with too much.
Speaker 2: I have had a couple people that I've talked to
that have talked about cryptid experiences. It kind of falls
into the same category as all these other things where
it's like just out of reach.
Speaker 1: Always, it's always like.
Speaker 2: Not able to quite be verified, which is tantalizing.
Speaker 1: It's also.
Speaker 2: I'm exploring with the the research I'm doing in the
in the book that I wrote, and I'm working on
a second one of a similar type. It's hard to
it's hard to know for sure. I'm open to these
things being real, but.
Speaker 1: Maybe not. Maybe there's something.
Speaker 2: Maybe they fall into that same category of like it's
more complicated than we think than just, you know, a
unknown primate wandering the woods.
Speaker 1: Maybe it is. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just feel like if there is something out there
that would be a flesh and blood type creature, we
would have figured out by now at least something like, right, yeah,
there's been no bones, there's been no body or whatever,
and people say, how often we're out in the woods.
Maybe they bury their dead. They come up with all
sorts of plausible excuses. But at the same time, it
still doesn't matter in the sense of, look how much
of the world we've uncovered. We've discovered dinosaur bones and
everything else, But yet we've still not found any sort
of relic of a giant homined living around here, you
know what I mean. At some point you have to
have a breeding population to keep it alive. And for
the amount of people that come out saying they've had
sightings but yet still no proof, it doesn't make any
sort of sense. We all have phones today, and everyone
has excuses as to why the phones aren't getting good
quality photos. I was like, I just shot a documentary
with a phone and I've got good quality on there.
So I don't believe the fact that these people are
filming the same things with the same sort of technology
and everything looks like a blurret out tree. It just
I don't know. Like I said, the skeptic in me
wants to like not really say, oh yeah, I don't
believe it. But at the same time, it's like, what
are people seeing? I don't think everyone's just making things
up for attention. Obviously people are seeing something, but I
don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know that you get that argument sometimes that
that people are just doing this for attention, or doing
it for money, or doing it for you know, these
other motivations.
Speaker 1: But There were people that I talked to that were like,
I don't want my name out there.
Speaker 2: I don't want, you know, please change the geographic locations
of where I am because I don't want people finding out.
Sometimes there were people that were like, they would tell
me their story and then they reach out to me
later and say, you know what, I'm not, I don't
want you to share this.
Speaker 1: After all.
Speaker 2: I kind of getting cold feet about having my story
out in the world.
Speaker 1: And yet their life.
Speaker 2: The trajectory of their life changed because of this experience,
and so that almost gives it more credibility that they're like,
I don't want my I don't want attention at all,
you know, so I don't know. I My approach with
with exploring these topics is to sort of suspend dis
belief while I'm talking to people and just take them
at their word and listen to their story and listen
to how it impacted them and not try to do
the investigator job. There's plenty of people doing that. There's
plenty of ways to debate that and question it, and
you know, not saying that that's good or bad. It's
just a different lane than where I am because to me,
the stories are the interesting part. Maybe someday we will
get answers on you know, are these cryptids real? And
maybe the answers are different from one to another. You know,
maybe some cryptids are legit, and maybe the others are
part of myth and folklore, and maybe some of them
are tied to some kind of weird non human intelligence
thing or interdimensial.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's what makes it interesting to me is that these.
Speaker 1: Topics keep.
Speaker 2: I guess I would say, like, if you decide you're
going to study I don't know, physics, you're gonna spend
time and you're gonna get more and more answers and
fewer and fewer questions, Whereas with this topic, it seems
like it's the other way. It's almost like it's teasing
us to keep asking more and more questions as we
dig further into this.
Speaker 3: So, right, that's kind of how the concept of my
show is. I don't I'm not trying to prove or
disprove anyone. I'm giving everyone a platform to come on
and share their experiences, and whether I believe it or not,
which I believe everyone that comes on here believes what
they're telling me. But I can't prove one way or
the other if what they're telling me is accurate or
not misliked to unification or something else I wasn't yeah,
or you know what I mean. Like, so I can't
say I can't say one way or the other, like
I take everyone at their word. So it's for yeah,
I'm not trying to tell someone no, that's not what
happened to you, because who the hell am I to
say that, you.
Speaker 1: Know, right, Yeah, but yeah, it's just.
Speaker 3: A way for people to come to terms and get
it out there that, you know what, I experienced something
strange and I don't know how to deal with it
at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I mean there were times in our
history where we thought that the Earth was the center
of the Solar system, or the center of the galaxy,
or the center of the universe. And as you know,
the centuries went on, we figured out more stuff and
we're able to find new ways to measure things. And
now we get to a point where we you know,
every every generation probably thinks we've we've almost got this
all figured out. You know, we've got just these little
corners of mystery. You know, maybe in our case it's
you know, that some of the quantum mechanics things that
don't quite work the way we intuitively expect them to do,
but we can test them and show that they do.
But in reality, maybe there's a lot more complexity or
weirdness to the universe and we just haven't figured out
how to measure it or how to explain it, or
what is behind it. Maybe we're just we just need
to be a little more sort of humble about how
much we actually understand. A thousand years from now, are
we going to look back and say, man, those people
used to think that, you know, solid fuel rocket boosters
worth the way to get to the moon?
Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, when you've done all these stories and the
things you've collected over the years, out of all the topics,
like is there a specific type of topic that you
enjoy the most? Like obviously you have the paranormal, and
you have UFOs or anything like that, Like, is there
any one that you kind of prefer?
Speaker 2: I think the UFO topic has been the one that's
probably I come back to the most, although some of
the near death experience and past life memory stuff is
really intriguing too. Some of the more traditional like paranormal
and ghost story things, not that they're not fascinating, but
they don't have the same don't have the same level
of draw for me as some of these other topics,
although a really good story sometimes will draw me in
no matter what it's about. Like, there was somebody I
talked to who she grew up in this house that
seemed to be haunted by this little girl. And she
got to know this little girl who was living you know,
in the spirit realm or whatever terminology you want to use,
moved out of that house, grew up, and went back
to talk to the current owners of that house to
see if they had any similar experiences, and they reported
that when they were doing some landscaping they found a
little girl's bones. They had to have the police come
out and do forendics and try and find out what
the why there was a body buried under their landscaping,
and it turned out that it was a family grave
of a little girl who died there, and the age
matched up and everything, And that's like, I'm all here
for that kind of story. I'm you you can take
your skeptic brain and come up with all kinds of
explanations and not to say that that's not a valid
way to look at it too, but I'm still fascinated.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah. I don't know what it is though when
it comes to stories, and maybe it's hits close to
home because we've had our own run ins around here
with weird little things that I can't explain when it
comes to paranormal stuff. But I uh, I always find
it creepier when children are involved. I don't know. It's like,
maybe because I'm I got my own kids and stuff too,
maybe my kids are just creepy, But just something about
kids kind of creep me out when it comes to paranormal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or the kids that yeah, when when they
when it's a kid that's seeing something that you're not seeing, right,
remembering their their family from before, and you're like, what
are you talking about? You know that can definitely make
the hair on the back of your next stand up.
Speaker 3: My daughter used to have an imaginary friend and then
she told us this was because she's a ghost. And
that was a couple of years ago. Now my youngest
has an imaginary friend, so we think he's imaginary, but
he is four year years old, just like my son,
but he has a beard. It was like, oh, that's interesting.
That is interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he told he's four years old and he
lives in the house and he has it looks like him,
but he has a beard. I was like, oh, okay,
so I don't I don't try, and I don't want
to ask any more questions. I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but just here recently, my wife heard a voice
in her ear one night. I was like three in
the morning, and she heard a raspy hello, and the
dog set up because it heard it too, so she
came back into the bed and was terrified. I was like, yeah,
just go to sleep. So we have our own little
random events here on and off, so when it comes
to paranormal I don't really I guess that doesn't really
bother me as much. It's like I live in it,
so it's not really a big deal to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well I.
Speaker 3: Usually go on for about an hour, but it is
a little later if we got started later and it
for whatever reason, the state of Indiana is bipolar and
decided to go from seventy degrees to basically wind chills
in the negatives today, So within less than twenty four hours,
we've went from seventies to negatives and it's freezing out here,
So I was going to say, is there anything else
you would like to discuss before we wrap it up,
because I'd like to talk a little bit more about
your book.
Speaker 2: I guess just if there's people out there that have
interesting stories that they want me to hear, you can
track me down on various social media platforms, or through
my website or just strange lightbook dot.
Speaker 1: Com is probably the easiest way to find all my links.
Speaker 3: So with this book, that is, do they get it
from your website or can they get it off Amazon? Like?
Where is it all available for them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wherever find books are sold. As they say,
you can get it from the website. You can get
it if you want to sign copy, the website's the
way to go. You can get it through Amazon. You
can get it through Barnes and Nobles website or Books
a Million. You're not gonna find it on shelves in
a lot of bookstores, but yeah, you can buy it
online from from your favorite retailer.
Speaker 3: And you said this is the first book you'd written. Yeah, yeah,
Do you plan on doing a follow up or another one?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm working on a follow up. Now basically the
same format, just looking for more stories and then trying
even harder to make some sense of the whole picture.
Speaker 1: M h. I don't know that.
Speaker 2: You know, people have been studying this for as long
as people have been seeing weird things in the in
the night or in the sky or whatever. So I
don't know that I'm the one that's gonna come up
with the answers, but it's still keeping me interested.
Speaker 3: I think people like you and people like myself and
some of the other ones out there that do this
out of the curiosity and just seeking the stories and
the trying to find the missing pieces of the puzzle,
I think we do the job of helping others come
forward with it. So for anyone listening, if you have
a story, I would definitely reach out to him and
he can maybe include it in his book, because I
think it's going to take it's going to take a
lot of people coming forward with the stories for and
that just might be that one missing piece that kind
of connects the whole thing together. You never know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, the part of what I was hoping
to do with this book was to kind of play
some small part in reducing the stigma around talking about
these things because there's people that have these experiences that
never talk talk about them because they don't want to
be labeled as crazy or you know, or whatever. And
sometimes I get people talking to me that are like,
you know, I haven't told this to anyone, this part
of it because it sounds so crazy, but this is
what really happened. And you know that that there's a
there's a trust involved that I appreciate from people when
they're talking to me, and I do try to return
that trust by you know, I'm not going to put
anything out that sensationalizes somebody's story. I'm not going to
put anything out that twists it or anything. Everybody that
that's in my book got to review what I wrote
before it went out, and that's part of just that
building trust to be more comfortable talking about these topics, even.
Speaker 1: Though they're they're weird and hard to understand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the more people that can kick the
stigma of the taboo is off and we become more
open to talking about this thing will actually help a
lot of people, because I do believe they're I honestly
think a lot of people have experiences and most of
them are either writing an off or they don't want
to talk about it, so they just ignore it because
if they acknowledge it, then that's admitting that it's real,
you know what I mean. So for them, they just
ignore it and go about their business and they don't
even want to talk about it, and they don't even
think about it because then they don't have to deal
with it, like if you actually admit that there's something
weird going on or hey, I've seen something strange, and
they got to come back and actually deal with the
fact that they actually experience something they can't explain, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it is hard sometimes to accept that
weird things happen, and yeah, you do. Some people more
than others completely want to write it off and pretend
it never happened. And then there's other people who embrace
it and go the other direction with it, and you know,
maybe they get interested in meditation or crystals are There's
all different directions people can go with it.
Speaker 3: Start a podcast, interview other people were experience.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, exactly, do.
Speaker 3: So again. For anyone that would be interested in fighting
your book, what is your website? If you send me
the link and everything, I can also include that in
the show notes for people listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the book is called Strange Light and the
website is Strange lightbook dot com.
Speaker 3: Okay, and if anyone has anything that they would like
to reach out with you ad they can get all
of you through the website.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll have all my you know, contact information and
socials and things like that so people can find me.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 3: Well, I think we can wrap this one up because
at this point my feet are no so.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, go get warmed up.
Speaker 3: Sorry to listeners, but my my thermometer out here said
it is in the twenties, so not really. I didn't
turn the heat on out here because again it's been
in the seventies and I didn't really think about flipping
the heater on at this point. So I'm kind of
your freezing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in I'm in North Carolina, and I think
we're not far behind you. I don't think the cold
is is just now starting to hit us, and by
morning it's going to be here too.
Speaker 3: They claim the wind chills, which I don't know if
anyone can hear the wind in the background, but I'm
not hearing my studio and the wind is ripping because
it's terribly windy and the wind chills will be negative
seven in the morning. It was like, how do we
go from like seventy two degrees to negative seven? It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's some that's some whiplash right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Indiana gotta be bipolar on the weather. Well Edson,
It's been a pleasure talking with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a pleasure talking to you too. Thanks
for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a problem. You have a good night.
Speaker 1: Thank you you too.
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