WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.879 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf 2 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:05.360 I AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on 3 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:07.240 demand on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:11.480 It's Weird Mondays. They just they surprised me at this time. 5 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:18.679 What is here? Oh, the big, massive twelve o'clock hour. Yeah, 6 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:21.000 well it is. It's so big, it's it's too big 7 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:22.519 for this hour. Buckle up. 8 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:24.800 We're actually going to be talking with Gerald Posner here 9 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:27.120 in just a few minutes. He is an expert on 10 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:32.119 the assassinations of JFK and MLK and obviously last week's 11 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:35.560 executive order to release a bunch of the files regarding this. 12 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:36.920 This is the guy to talk to. 13 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:38.280 So we're going to talk with Gerald Posner. 14 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:43.320 Super excited about that. What else is going on? Time 15 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:44.960 for what's happening. 16 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:53.479 What's happening is a damage fire damage burglary called public 17 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:58.159 Adjuster ABNERA eight eight nine seven five two five. The 18 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:02.000 rain has moved on for the most part, hard looks. 19 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:06.280 There are still some muddy roads after some small mudslides, 20 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:09.680 but we got away with this one. Rain totals predicted 21 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:11.760 to be about an inch or less in most. 22 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:13.400 Areas, but there are a few places. 23 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:17.040 Like Porter Ranch that got almost one in two thirds inches, 24 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:19.840 Calabasas got over an inch, north Ridge almost an inch 25 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.359 and a half. New Hall got about three quarters of 26 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:24.959 an inch, and up in Ventura County, just about everybody 27 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:27.439 got at least an inch down an Orange County slightly 28 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:28.359 less than that. 29 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:31.519 Big story on Wall Street where tax excuse me, tech 30 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:36.879 stocks are tanking. Concerns about China's company Deep Seek Ai 31 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:42.599 have caused this a massive selloff, with shares of Navidias 32 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:47.560 lighting seventeen percent in Volatile Trading company claims this is 33 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:52.400 being China's deep Seek AI app. It claims it's cheaper 34 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:57.920 AI model outperforms Open ai in several tests and it's cheaper. 35 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:00.640 The Nasdaq has been down over six undred points at 36 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:03.640 times today, s and P five hundred has also been lower, 37 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.280 on pace for its first worst day in a month. 38 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:10.039 The Dow, of course, who doesn't deal in tech stocks, 39 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:13.080 turned positive. It was read to start the session, but 40 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:16.520 made a turnaround there. Deep Seek, by the way says 41 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:20.360 it's dealing with attacks on its services and temporarily limiting 42 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:22.639 new users. I actually signed up for the app because 43 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:24.759 it was number one with Apple today. I was curious 44 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:30.960 about it, and they never sent me the code to 45 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:32.759 qualify my account or what have you. 46 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:39.080 We are watching in real time government trying to dismantle 47 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:42.560 itself as a result of the fires and the palisades 48 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:48.800 in Altadina area, and one new executive order from the 49 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:53.840 state reiterates that permitting requirements under the California Coastal Act 50 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:57.280 should be suspended. Disorder extends the amount of time people 51 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.120 can stay at hotels and short term rentals as well. 52 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:02.680 In a statement that was released today, he said the 53 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:05.039 governor did, as the state helps the LA area rebuild 54 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:08.080 and recover, we will continue to remove barriers and red 55 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:11.199 tape that stand in the way. We will not let 56 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:14.759 there's something funny about this. We will not let overregulations 57 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:17.560 stop us from helping the LA community rebuild and recover. 58 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:21.759 Who's responsible for all of the over regulation but the 59 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.680 politicians who have been in power for the last thirty 60 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:27.560 years in California. And now is the time that you 61 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:30.560 think that regulation is not a good thing. I agree 62 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:32.840 with you, but it also takes a certain amount of 63 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:36.840 hubris to realize that, or to not realize that you 64 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:38.280 were part of the problem to begin with. 65 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:38.960 We talked about the. 66 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:41.919 Poor fans in Buffalo, having lost four Super Bowls in 67 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:46.080 the nineties and then having the dynasty of the Patriots 68 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.159 outshine them for twenty plus years, and now it seems 69 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.199 like it's their time. They'd have got to contend with 70 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:56.159 the Kansas City Chiefs and their legacy, well, the Patriots fans, right, 71 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:58.479 They've got to also contend with the fact that they 72 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:02.319 are no longer the king of the NFL. Hill to 73 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:04.840 make matters worse, they were hit with an earthquake this morning. 74 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:09.039 Three point eight magnitude earthquake struck near the main coast. 75 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:12.000 They felt it in Boston. Oh no, oh, no. 76 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.280 It would be kind of odd if you're in Boston 77 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:17.040 and suddenly you feel an earthquake, because three point eight 78 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:19.839 you feel, yeah, especially if you're not used to it. 79 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:22.600 But would you know, well, I guess obviously you would 80 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:24.800 know eventually, But would you know what it was right away? 81 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:26.720 No. I think it was like an explosion on the 82 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:30.120 block somewhere, some sort of like chemical explosion. 83 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:33.399 New York City's Mayor Eric Adams has had to limit 84 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:35.639 his public schedule this week. Apparently he's going to be 85 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.800 undergoing medical tests today in a couple of doctors appointments 86 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:42.079 because over this last few days, according to one of 87 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:47.399 his spokespeople, Mayor Adams hasn't been feeling well. Sixty four 88 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:50.399 years old, he is expected to stand trial on federal 89 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:53.600 corruption charges in April. He's been making headlines. At least 90 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:55.519 the second half of last week. He was making headlines 91 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:58.680 because he was talking about how I don't know if 92 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:01.720 he would say he fully supports, but he's at least 93 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:06.399 paying attention to and is going along with President Trump 94 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:10.040 and the new administration, especially when it comes to immigration enforcement. 95 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:14.360 Do you know people who are either in the coke 96 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:17.079 camp or the pepsi camp and they will not budge, 97 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:19.519 Like you're at a restaurant. They order a coke and 98 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:21.600 the waiter says, we only have pepsi, and they go, 99 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:22.480 never mind, do. 100 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:22.959 You never mind? 101 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:24.680 I'll just have water. Do you know people like that? 102 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:28.600 I think so I had a cousin like that. He 103 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:30.839 was a big pepsi guy. I've heard a couple people 104 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:34.920 do that before. Well, team Coke has won at Costco. 105 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:39.519 Costco switched out coke in twenty thirteen for pepsi. They 106 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.079 said it was a cost saving measure. Well, now they're 107 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.680 going back. They're going to officially swap out pepsi for 108 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:48.720 Coca Cola products at its food courts. So team type 109 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:52.439 team diet coke, You're back have fun spending all that 110 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:54.879 money in costco Do you think that's part of the analysis, 111 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.839 Like people get hypes up on diet coke are probably 112 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.240 more likely to spend money than people hyped up fun 113 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:01.000 diet pepsi. 114 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:03.160 I don't know, do you eat at the food court 115 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:04.399 before or after you shop? 116 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:08.720 I feel like diet coke has definitely a different, a 117 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.959 different reaction on me than diet pepsi. Like at the games, 118 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:16.000 they're a pepsi. They're pepsi vendors at the football games 119 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:18.759 for the Chargers at least, so I'll have like a 120 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.560 diet pepsi before the game. Doesn't do the same things 121 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:24.519 to me that diet coke does. Diet cokes like straight 122 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.879 meth to the veins. Diet pepsi is like okay, like 123 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:29.959 I had an extra cup of coffee, all right, cool 124 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:30.560 diet cokes. 125 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:31.800 Like I'm a different person. 126 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.680 I would need to observe the diet pepsi influence upon you. 127 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:38.360 I've seen diet coke many a time. M hmm, but 128 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:40.600 die pepsi. I don't think I've ever seen dit coke. 129 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:42.920 I'm like the beast at the end of the substance 130 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.040 Demi Moore's face on your back. 131 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.639 Starbucks is also going to be all offering. 132 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:54.480 I got a boob up here, a boob. 133 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.240 Down there, nice looking feetles get away from you when 134 00:06:58.240 --> 00:06:59.480 you're doing the diet coke. 135 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.560 Yeah, maybe we should close the door diet coke. Our 136 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:06.720 boss has got a diagoe. Does diet pepsi affect button? 137 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:09.800 Does diet pepsi. 138 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:13.040 Affect you differently than diet coke. You wouldn't know because 139 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:13.920 you don't eat the pepsi. 140 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:17.600 Right, I'll get it a lot of times, the pepsi okay. 141 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:21.120 Yeah, and you'll say, okay, okay. Interesting. 142 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:27.240 No loyalty with you, I guess, no loyalty whatsoever, dato. 143 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:33.120 But Starbucks is going to be implementing some new and 144 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:36.720 old policies at its stores beginning today. Customers who order 145 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:40.800 a four here beverage can also get free refills of 146 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:43.480 hot or iced coffee or hot or iced tea during 147 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:45.879 their visit. It will also be served in the old 148 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:47.199 fashioned coffee mug. 149 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:48.639 That's interesting. 150 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:53.040 They said They're also going to bring back the condiment 151 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:55.600 bar with its creamer and the milk and the various 152 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:56.920 sweeteners that used to be out. 153 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:58.160 And I don't know where. 154 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:00.879 People stealing it or taking it advantage of it. I 155 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:04.560 can't remember last time I had a Starbucks per year. 156 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:07.839 I think they got rid of it during COVID. Yeah, 157 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:10.800 because the COVID travels in a refill. 158 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:11.399 Yeah. 159 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:13.920 I need whatever cinnamon topping I have on. 160 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:17.959 Just like those regulation footballs killed a bunch of us, 161 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.959 didn't I Well. One of Trump's first orders in office 162 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:25.199 was to unredact some of the pages that have not 163 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:29.199 been released. When it comes to the JFK, MLK Junior 164 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:34.919 RFK assassinations, it goes without saying Trump has a mistrust 165 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:38.080 of the intelligence community and has long had a fight 166 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:41.720 with them. And there were experts who are privy to 167 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.559 things in these papers, possibly or people who have opined 168 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.799 that the CIA and the FBI would not look good 169 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:52.440 in light of the information that would be released. What 170 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:55.639 comes to mind is the letter from that may or 171 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:59.440 may not exist, from j Edgar Hoover to MLK juniors saying, 172 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:04.080 wha toesus, go ahead and kill yourself. So these have 173 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:07.639 long been papers that have been speculated upon. We talked 174 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:10.600 about the Oliver Stone JFK movie from nineteen ninety one 175 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:13.159 that resulted in an act the following year in Congress 176 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:20.279 saying release what we know longtime conspiracy. Conspiracy theories circling 177 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:24.320 around the JFK assassination have not entirely been put to bed. 178 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:27.240 One of the guys who spent much of his life 179 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:31.120 investigating these is Gerald Posner, an investigative journalist and author 180 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:34.440 of thirteen books, one of which was called Case Closed, 181 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:38.440 Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK, published almost 182 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:41.200 thirty years ago. Now, and Gerald, first, thanks for taking 183 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:42.879 We know you're busy and have been for the last 184 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.919 several days obviously, but thanks for taking time for us today. 185 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:48.960 No, Gary Shannon, great to be with you. 186 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:53.720 So in your book Case Closed, you have come to 187 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:58.159 the conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, that there 188 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.759 was no Cuban influence. He was not just this lone 189 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.279 wolf Cuba was using as a puppet. It was not 190 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:09.440 the mafia who was pissed off because they put JFK 191 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:12.120 in office in nineteen sixty and he failed to produce, 192 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:16.720 which is why some will say Jack Ruby mafia prince 193 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:20.080 ended up killing Oswald to silence him. You believe that 194 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.080 this lone wolf acted on his own. 195 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.159 I do, Shannon, But you know, I also think that 196 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.200 there were conspiracies against Jack Kennedy. So the mob hated 197 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:32.759 the fact that Bobby Kennedy's attorney general was trying to 198 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:37.240 bust them up. The Cubans. Castro knew that the CIA 199 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:38.919 and the mafia are trying to kill him, so he 200 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.399 was thinking should he strike back at the Kennedy's first 201 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:45.399 The Russians had been humiliated over the Cuban missile crisis 202 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.679 a year earlier, and so the KGB. So I think 203 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.240 there were groups plotting and talking about killing Jack Kennedy, 204 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:56.639 probably as there are groups or small, you know, radical 205 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:59.720 ends of Islamist or anti abortion people or whatever else 206 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.639 talking about killing almost any US president, you know, depending 207 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.960 on the time. All I say is that Oswald wasn't 208 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.120 part of any of those plots. They may have existed, 209 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:11.360 but when you look at the evidence, none of it 210 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:15.200 ties Oswald into those conspiracies. He got there before them, 211 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:17.639 got there on his own for his own worked. 212 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:19.879 Most fascinating, so like they were all thinking about it, 213 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:23.799 but he got there First, what about the CIA and 214 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:27.240 the theory that the CIO was pissed about Kennedy dragging 215 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:30.480 his heels when it came to troops in Vietnam. 216 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:32.879 Yeah, they and they were pissed. So, you know, one 217 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:35.679 of the things is if I say Oswald alone killed Kennedy, 218 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:38.080 people think that I'm saying, you know, that everything was 219 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:41.480 hunky Dorian just fine with all the other groups. But 220 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:45.480 I always say, no, you know, I understand that the 221 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:47.440 CIA was mad. And one of the things that I 222 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:50.440 think the CIA may have done that I'm looking forward 223 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.799 to take a look at when these documents are released, 224 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.559 the last three thousand that we've been waiting for for 225 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:57.240 all these years. I've been calling on them to be 226 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:00.159 public for a long time, is to see whether the 227 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:03.399 CIA picked up they had surveillance. They've always denied it. 228 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.320 On the Cuban and Soviet missions. In Mexico City, where 229 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.480 Oswald popped up six weeks before Kennedy is killed, asking 230 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:14.279 to go to Cuban to join the revolution, he slams 231 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:16.080 his pistol down on a desk in front of a 232 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:19.799 KGB agent. He has unbalanced behavior in the Cuban mission. 233 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:22.080 They throw him out, so The question is did the 234 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:26.120 CIA know Did they have surveillance on those two communist missions? 235 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:29.200 Probably so, did they have an agent inside who was 236 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.200 providing him information maybe that they've never told us about. 237 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:35.840 Did they know Oswald's behavior was that off kilter? And 238 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.840 if so, why didn't they tell the FBI when he 239 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:42.279 came back to America ten days later? You know, it's 240 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:45.120 what intelligence agencies do, like they did on nine eleven, 241 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.480 They don't share information. I'm fascinated to see if there's 242 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:50.360 more about that in these files. 243 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:53.120 That was going to be my question is what is 244 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:56.720 the thing that piques your interest about getting your hands 245 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:59.120 on them and seeing what's in there. 246 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:01.559 But I'm also curious about the. 247 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:07.600 Sixties being a time where JFK's killed in sixty three 248 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:10.919 and then several years later both his brother and MLK 249 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:12.519 in nineteen sixty eight. 250 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:15.919 Are there similarities? 251 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:21.159 Did the political climate change at all after JFK's assassination 252 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:24.519 that maybe made it likely or possible that the other 253 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:25.440 two were going to be killed? 254 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:25.720 Also? 255 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:31.120 Yeah, look at I mean, certainly JFK's assassination was a 256 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:34.879 loss of faith in government. You know, after Jack Ruby, 257 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.080 a guy who looks like he's out of Central casting 258 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:41.120 for the mafia kills. The man arrested for the crime 259 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:44.240 oswell two day say, or in police custody. Everybody thinks 260 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:46.240 it's a conspiracy. I did as well when I started 261 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:49.039 to investigate it. Because of that, then the Warrant Commission 262 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:51.159 comes out in sixty four, A lot of people don't 263 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:53.320 believe that. From the get go, We're not very good 264 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.120 about sort of blue ribbon panels coming out and telling 265 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:00.679 us what we think happened. And as the sixties got 266 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.559 more you know, to Vietnam and the anti war movement 267 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:08.120 and more violent, those blows of the assassinations of Bobby Kennedy. 268 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.559 I was fourteen at the time in growing up in 269 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:14.960 San Francisco. Bobby Kennedy was the first politician I ever 270 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:19.039 was enthusiastic about as a young kid, and argued with 271 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:21.519 my friends at my San Francisco school about why he 272 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:24.200 thought he was a better pick than Senator Eugene McCarthy. 273 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:26.960 Was devastating when he was killed, and then a few 274 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:29.679 months before, you know, Martin Luther King. I did a 275 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:32.320 book on that, and I think that he's killed for 276 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.480 a bounty offered by a racist from the Midwest, and 277 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:38.519 that James Orlray tried to cash in on that. So 278 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:42.799 they aren't connected in the sense that RFK Junior thinks 279 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.279 they are. He thinks that they're all linked because they're 280 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.480 sort of an intelligence plot to kill three great leaders, 281 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:51.080 and they were three great leaders. But I do think 282 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:53.600 that it was the chaos of the times. People hate 283 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.120 to hear that. They like to think things are more 284 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:59.840 planned than just chaotic. But they were devastating blows because 285 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:03.600 were three leaders that were never really replaced in their 286 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:06.399 own ways. And I think Nixon's win in sixty eight 287 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:09.200 might have not happened if Bobby Kennedy or Martin Luther 288 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:10.000 King had lived. 289 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:13.559 We're talking to Gerald Posner, who wrote the noted biography 290 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.840 on the assassination of JFK. He also wrote about MLK Junior, 291 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:19.799 about Motown. One of the fun facts is he represented 292 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:23.840 a beauty beauty pageant queen who was denied a crown 293 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:26.279 because she patted her bra one of my favorite things 294 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:29.399 in your bio. But he also wrote Case Closed the 295 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:33.559 Lee Harvey Oswald and assassination of JFK. We are talking 296 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.399 with Gerald Posner. Posner I am saying at different times, 297 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:39.720 so I know I am screwing up as many times 298 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:40.759 as I'm getting it right? 299 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:44.279 Which one is it? 300 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.039 Hi? He's as Posner, But I like that covering all 301 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:49.000 the babies. 302 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:53.080 Okay, Gerald Posner. He wrote a biography on the assassination 303 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:57.159 of JFK. Case closed Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination 304 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:01.480 of JFK. As we mentioned, he also wrote about Junior's assassination, 305 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:06.200 among other things, fourteen books. I believe you said and Jerald, 306 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.759 you mentioned that when I was bringing up the different 307 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:12.200 conspiracy theories that people have talked about since nineteen sixty three, 308 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.519 one of the theories was that the mafia may have 309 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.759 been behind the assassination of JFK. Because it was talked 310 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:23.960 about that Joe Kennedy, the patriarch of the Kennedy's, did 311 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:27.120 a deal with the mafia to ensure that JFK would 312 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.279 earn the president, get the presidency, ascend to the presidency, 313 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.600 and when he didn't provide for the mafia in office, 314 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.159 they got pissed off, especially when his brother, who was 315 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:42.039 named the ag RFK, started going after the mafia. What 316 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:45.240 was the disconnect in the Kennedy family between are we 317 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:47.399 friends or foes of the mafia? 318 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:51.720 Well, you know to the extent that Joe Kennedy was 319 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:54.679 friends and got the help in Illinois of Sam Jin Khanna, 320 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:57.360 the head of the mafia, and to deliver the Illinois vote. 321 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:01.159 Bobby Kennedy is a new young Rush attorney and then 322 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:04.920 christened Attorney General by his brother Jack, certainly didn't have 323 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:06.839 any of that feeding and so he went after them 324 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:10.119 with all the gloves off. And the mafia was furious 325 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:13.640 about that. They thought that they had delivered by eight 326 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:17.240 or nine thousand votes Illinois to Jack Kennedy. People forget, 327 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.039 by the way, if Kennedy had lost Illinois, if the 328 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:22.000 mob hadn't been involved at all, he still would have 329 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:25.480 won the presidency. I mean, he had enough electoral votes 330 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.640 so Illinois could have gone. But still the mob thought, Okay, 331 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.000 we did our work in Illinois. We try to turn 332 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:33.160 out the vote. And on top of that, remember Sam 333 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:36.839 Jay and Khanna and Jfkse they shared the same mistress 334 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:39.599 over a period of time, Judith Exner, who was running 335 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:42.559 messages between them. So you have this whole question in mafia. 336 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:44.720 Then Bobby comes in and he goes after to really 337 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:47.319 break them up, and they were furious with him. So 338 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:51.079 the theory of many people look at the JFK assassination 339 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:53.839 is the mob must have killed him because they decided 340 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:56.640 to cut off the head of the tiger. That they 341 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.400 decided to go after the president and then Bobby would 342 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.359 stop going out to them. But that didn't work. Much 343 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:05.440 bigger risk to go after the president, right, the whole 344 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:08.039 government could come down on you. But in addition, Bobby 345 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:11.240 Kennedy remained Attorney General after his brother was killed. He 346 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.599 stayed there under Lyndon Johnson. The only reason he left 347 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.079 the AG's office was to run for the senator a 348 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:20.720 ship in New York, which he won in late nineteen 349 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:23.759 sixty four. So if the mobs intent was to kill 350 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:27.480 JFK so that his brother would stop chasing them and 351 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:29.519 trying to break them up, that didn't work. 352 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:35.119 It's interesting with shared mistresses and the Kennedy family, isn't it. 353 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:37.759 There's a lot of that going around. 354 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:42.000 I must say that. But it's hard to imagine one 355 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:45.359 that would be more of a high profile risk. You know, 356 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:49.279 we think of people sometimes as a mistress of the 357 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:51.559 President of the United States are their security risk. It's 358 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:54.119 hard to imagine a greater security risk than Judith Exner, 359 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:57.720 who had been a mistress to Samjay and Conna the 360 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:00.599 head of the Chicago mafia, and then is with JFK. 361 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:04.160 And then it's sort of shuttling messages back and forth 362 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:07.359 between them, and later said I did it all for love. Well, 363 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:09.880 you know that might well be, But today I would 364 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:13.480 think that that would be front page news in a way, 365 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:15.920 that would be true breaking news. 366 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:17.079 Right. 367 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:21.119 I was trying to postulate this question and realization came 368 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:22.880 to my mind. I was going to ask you, is 369 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:26.119 it harder to assassinate a high profile politician today than 370 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:29.160 it would have been in the sixties. Obviously, security around 371 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:34.000 politicians has changed considerably, the tools for intelligence gathering for 372 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:37.960 law enforcement who are protecting them has changed considerably. But 373 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.319 then we see a loan gunman come out and take 374 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:46.480 a shot at candidate Trump over the summer. Where do 375 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:51.160 we stand in terms of protection details for presidents and 376 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:55.119 other high profile politicians today compared to the mid sixties. 377 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.519 Well, compared to the mid sixties, Gary, it's gotten much better. 378 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:02.039 And I mean they got better after unfortunately JFK's assassination. 379 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:05.079 Then they got better after the attempts on Gerald Ford. 380 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:08.119 When you know two Charlie Manson followers, you know, took 381 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:09.920 out a gun and try to shoot at him, and 382 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:12.839 then they got better after Reagan was shot. So every 383 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:16.319 time a president is shot at or gets shot the 384 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:21.200 unfortunately it gets even tighter. But you're right, Butler Pennsylvania 385 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:23.960 just a few months ago shows that if there's one 386 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:26.519 lapse in security, you just need a series of mistakes 387 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:28.920 on a given day and then somebody can get through, 388 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:32.839 especially a lone wolf. And think of how many times 389 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:37.319 in the campaign trails candidates you know, are around the public. 390 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:39.799 They can't be vetted. There are large crowds, and if 391 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:42.920 you ever have somebody who's willing to give their life 392 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:45.160 up at close range and try to get near a 393 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:49.799 candidate with a pistol, it's impossible to stop. But certainly 394 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:52.240 the idea of Secret Service and all the security and 395 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.200 everything we see is to scare those people who want 396 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:59.720 to do harm away and make them realize it's a 397 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:02.799 side mission. But you know, it doesn't mean it can't happen. 398 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:05.960 Gerald, you talked about it being a topic of conversation 399 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:09.119 at school in nineteen sixty eight. With those assassinations, I'm 400 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:10.680 assuming you're talking about SI. 401 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.240