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Speaker 3: And as usual, I am joined by my co host Luke.
Speaker 3: Always a pleasure, and we have something pretty special for
Speaker 3: you tonight. We're going to get to in a moment.
Speaker 3: I do want to make one comment. Someone had left
Speaker 3: a comment off of that intro, kind of laughing at
Speaker 3: the open minded or the question or skeptical question with
Speaker 3: an open mind, or however it's said in the intro.
Speaker 3: And as anyone who listens to this show knows, there
Speaker 3: is a big difference between the people who call themselves
Speaker 3: skeptics and actual skepticism. Skepticism is not debunking, and most
Speaker 3: skeptics are debunkers. At least the people who you know,
Speaker 3: go out and publicize themselves as skeptics are people trying
Speaker 3: to create a trying to keep the status quo. And
Speaker 3: a real skeptic doesn't necessarily set on any one idea
Speaker 3: and take it as dogma. Real skeptic questions everything, especially
Speaker 3: their own beliefs. So to be a skeptic in question
Speaker 3: openly is exactly what a skeptic, a real skeptic, should do.
Speaker 3: And just in case anyone doesn't get that, because I know,
Speaker 3: the term skeptic is thrown around so easily nowadays and
Speaker 3: misused so easily by people who are complete debunkers who
Speaker 3: are not actually skeptics. So tonight we are talking for
Speaker 3: the first time with mister John Shooter, and are you
Speaker 3: with us.
Speaker 5: John, I am. I guess that's me. Then that is you.
Speaker 3: And you have some research you've been doing along with
Speaker 3: your wife and some other people that no one really
Speaker 3: knows anything about.
Speaker 5: Well some put in the UK no about it, but
Speaker 5: most people in the States really have no idea about it.
Speaker 3: And uh, this is a comet they came through on
Speaker 3: and five sixty.
Speaker 5: Two A d uh. Yeah, Okay, I'll come back to
Speaker 5: that date in the moment.
Speaker 3: Okay, we need to we need to set the the
Speaker 3: give us the setting and the the the way things
Speaker 3: were back then.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, the first thing I'm going to say is
Speaker 5: that there are three dates for the comet or a
Speaker 5: comic or several comics in the record. We're talking five
Speaker 5: six two five, Oh dear, five five, three, four and
Speaker 5: one two years later, and you'll find a lot of
Speaker 5: people who go looking for this comic get the wrong
Speaker 5: one and it get me fixed up a bit. So
Speaker 5: there was a lot of stuff in the sky around
Speaker 5: those times. So I would just put a question mark
Speaker 5: over five to six to two. Maybe it was a
Speaker 5: few years earlier, So right now, the year five six two.
Speaker 5: The Romans had basically disappeared not too long ago, but
Speaker 5: one hundred years before. The Romans had come to Britain
Speaker 5: largely for resources team copper, that kind of thing lead
Speaker 5: training with the Cornish. Before them, the Phoenicians had been
Speaker 5: doing that. The Romans took over the trade and they
Speaker 5: were doing a roaring trade with the Welsh the Cornish
Speaker 5: and taking minerals out. So they invaded England and they
Speaker 5: subjected most of England. They didn't actually get the bit
Speaker 5: they were after, which was Cornwall, because they were a
Speaker 5: fairly stroppy lot and put up a fierce fight. So
Speaker 5: the Romans kind of gave up and just started trading
Speaker 5: with them like they used to before and just slapped
Speaker 5: attacks on it and carried on like before. So that
Speaker 5: was pretty alright with the Romans, and they just left
Speaker 5: them alone and they started taking over Britain. Meanwhile, we
Speaker 5: have a church being set up in the UK which
Speaker 5: was probably I say it was before the Roman Church
Speaker 5: really got started, and we had a religious center centered
Speaker 5: around Wells, Glastonbury and or Cardiff, which is just across
Speaker 5: the River seven in Wales, I mean over here. That
Speaker 5: makes a big difference now ones in Wales one side
Speaker 5: of the rivers in Wales the other side. Isn't it
Speaker 5: a couple of miles across, It's quite looked, quite wide.
Speaker 5: They've got a bridge over it. It's one of the
Speaker 5: biggest bridges in the world. But nevertheless, you can get
Speaker 5: from one to the other in a day and a boat,
Speaker 5: couple of horses. It's not that far apart. So we
Speaker 5: had a religious center going on there. The Romans kind
Speaker 5: of came and went, and maybe they took our version
Speaker 5: of Christianity with them and adopted it and melded it in,
Speaker 5: and maybe they didn't. It doesn't matter. But nevertheless there
Speaker 5: was an established English Christian church there which was has
Speaker 5: its roots not anything to do with Rome, which will
Speaker 5: come into play later on. So we have a bus
Speaker 5: service running stuff into the far East from from tire
Speaker 5: and Sidon into the UK. That's still going pretty well,
Speaker 5: pretty swimmingly. Everybody's making quite a lot of money. The
Speaker 5: Romans have a lot of trouble with the Celts in
Speaker 5: northern Europe, who overwhelmed the walls again and again, and
Speaker 5: eventually the Legions have pulled out of Britain and Britain's
Speaker 5: left to fend for itself. Also, we're told. So one day,
Speaker 5: I'm about fourteen, and I'm in school and I'm listening
Speaker 5: to all this stuff. Okay, so the Romans have gone yep,
Speaker 5: and then the Anglo Saxons and the Vikings and all
Speaker 5: these guys came in Yep, and they built cities next
Speaker 5: to the Roman cities. And I'm thinking to myself, being
Speaker 5: a lazy fellow, why not would you do that? I mean,
Speaker 5: You've got all this town and forum and Basilica and
Speaker 5: temples and stuff, and these guys come along, and I'm
Speaker 5: told they build Viking cities, Anglo Saxons, well we call
Speaker 5: them cities small towns by today's standards, and they build
Speaker 5: them next door to it, and they pull all the
Speaker 5: stone out and they build these new towns. And I'm
Speaker 5: sitting there thinking to myself, I'm a lazy fellow. I
Speaker 5: would just go in, take the place over, get some paint,
Speaker 5: put a few roses around the door, call it home,
Speaker 5: fishbash boss, job done.
Speaker 3: I mean, and you see that around the world too.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, but in this case, I'm thinking, well, well,
Speaker 5: why would they do that? I Mean, it's only one
Speaker 5: hundred this comet arrived in five six two a d.
Speaker 5: Or ten years earlier or thereabouts, And so were are
Speaker 5: you talking about one hundred years after the Romans move out? Now?
Speaker 5: Do you look around in any of your old established cities,
Speaker 5: you know, Boston, whatever, on the east coast and one
Speaker 5: hundred year old buildings holding up pretty well. The roof's
Speaker 5: still on probably, and if it's not, you could fix it.
Speaker 5: But they didn't. They built stuff next door. And that
Speaker 5: always puzzled me. And I was told, well, and as
Speaker 5: soon as the Romans went, all the roads went to
Speaker 5: rubbish and fell apart, and they didn't bother with it,
Speaker 5: and they used their old tracks and maybe they used
Speaker 5: the Roman roads and maybe they wouldn't. And I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 5: I'm a lazy kind of guy. It's easy to fix
Speaker 5: up a road than build a new one or use
Speaker 5: an old one. What's going on? So that was always
Speaker 5: sat at the back of my mind and I thought,
Speaker 5: this is rather odd, this doesn't sound right, And then
Speaker 5: I don't know, now, it must be fifteen years ago
Speaker 5: or so. I started watching a channel in the UK
Speaker 5: called Edge Media or the Controversial channel, which was belonging
Speaker 5: to Edge Media. Great show run by a guy called
Speaker 5: theo Charmers, and I still talk to to this day.
Speaker 5: And he had a couple of guys on called Wilson
Speaker 5: and Blackett, who really were the start of a lot
Speaker 5: of the thinking and work I've been doing for the
Speaker 5: last ten years or more in my spare time. And
Speaker 5: these are two guys, a Welsh guy and a guy
Speaker 5: from the north on the east side. They're very different characters,
Speaker 5: and they get on like a house on fire, and
Speaker 5: they started digging around some of these mysteries. And I'm
Speaker 5: sitting there and they said this comic. There was a
Speaker 5: comic in five six two a d. And I thought,
Speaker 5: I never heard of that. Yeah, And it streaked down
Speaker 5: break and set it on fire end to end, and
Speaker 5: the place burned continuously, the whole country for eleven days.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: And I thought, well, this might explain quite a lot.
Speaker 5: And then the other thing I didn't understand was we've
Speaker 5: got Roman history running full till you know, you can
Speaker 5: practically go to any large building in the UK and
Speaker 5: you can probably find out what was in it from
Speaker 5: some records somewhere, because the Romans were meticulous record keepers.
Speaker 5: And the whole history stopped just after the Romans left
Speaker 5: and basically, we hear the best part of nothing in
Speaker 5: July eight hundred or so when bed the venerab will Bead,
Speaker 5: who was I guess from Viking blood that arrived on
Speaker 5: the east coast of his parents did, found himself in
Speaker 5: the monastery and he started writing the history of Britain.
Speaker 5: And between those two dates there is almost nothing written.
Speaker 5: I was told in school between those two dates, and
Speaker 5: we called those the Dark Ages. And after being almost
Speaker 5: nothing is written down, a few bits and pieces here
Speaker 5: and there, until the Normans come along in catalog absolutely
Speaker 5: everything right down to how many sheep and individual farms
Speaker 5: caught in the back end of nowhere. So all of
Speaker 5: a sudden we've got from everything being recorded until about
Speaker 5: four sixty AD until somewhere around middle seven hundreds, almost
Speaker 5: nothing's recorded. And then there's a bit of a jump
Speaker 5: and the Normans write everything down, and we called those
Speaker 5: the Dark Ages. So I started researching what this event was,
Speaker 5: the five six' to two commit And wilson And blackett
Speaker 5: have done an incredible amount of. WORK i, mean it
Speaker 5: is unbelievably. GOOD i can't give these guys enough. Credit
Speaker 5: they are, lampooned just like in your standard intro. SORAYAH
Speaker 5: i mean they are spurned and yet everything they've told
Speaker 5: me with the reference That i've checked, out AND i
Speaker 5: haven't checked all of them, out because they have thousands
Speaker 5: of references in their, books unlike most of these wishy
Speaker 5: washing THINGS i. THINK i Think signas is, THIS leo is,
Speaker 5: that blah blah blah blah. Blah trust, Me i'm an.
Speaker 5: Author these guys are full of, footnotes cross, notes references
Speaker 5: where these parchments, are which museum they're, in which parish
Speaker 5: hall they're, in which floor they're, in which cabinet they're.
Speaker 5: In AND i tried a few, out not, many but
Speaker 5: they were exactly where these guys said it. Was SO i, thought,
Speaker 5: okay well that's a good. Base now these guys got
Speaker 5: in quite a lot of trouble with the. Authorities for,
Speaker 5: well that's a whole different show and they ought to
Speaker 5: be telling the, story but enough to say they got
Speaker 5: in quite a bit of, trouble right. RIGHT i, mean
Speaker 5: these guys really upset the establishment because they started Rewriting british,
Speaker 5: HISTORY i mean to the, core and strange things started,
Speaker 5: happening like their. Houses their house kept getting burnt down
Speaker 5: and it's their. Story you get old Of Alan wilson's
Speaker 5: if you can get you'll have a great, story, Right
Speaker 5: but that really has nothing much to do with the.
Speaker 5: Comet apart from these guys did basically all the spade
Speaker 5: work over twenty odd year's meticulous. Finding, now they weren't
Speaker 5: trying to find a. Comet they were trying to find
Speaker 5: the truth Behind King. Arthur what all that was about
Speaker 5: the Famous King. Arthur they were trying to find out
Speaker 5: about The Holy grail connected to. Him they were trying
Speaker 5: to find out about The ark of The, commandant and,
Speaker 5: well basically the whole of the alternative history movement is
Speaker 5: what they were trying to find out. About in the
Speaker 5: middle of, this they trip over this five six two. Comet,
Speaker 5: Okay now the story starts somewhere In. Norway now The
Speaker 5: norwegians now occupy about the left quarter Of. Scandinavia, yeah
Speaker 5: but in those days they occupied most of What sweden
Speaker 5: is today and with the top bit Of. Denmark but
Speaker 5: that was not you know that that, well that's what
Speaker 5: they did. Then and they in their, writings which had
Speaker 5: to be tracked down Through, iceland Which i'll come, to
Speaker 5: they found a bright light appeared in the sky lit
Speaker 5: the place up cast, shadows SO i guess it must
Speaker 5: have been. Dark and if it was, light it was
Speaker 5: really light because this bright light was casting. Shadows it
Speaker 5: comes screaming Over norway and it disappears in the direction
Speaker 5: Of Great. Britain and they called it The Great Britain.
Speaker 5: Comic but Obviously i've got different words for it because
Speaker 5: they've got their own. Language i'm not even going to
Speaker 5: start trying to pronounce their. Stuff it's just like herding
Speaker 5: herding cats or knitting. SMOKE i, mean it's if you
Speaker 5: can recognize half of the letters in, it you're doing.
Speaker 5: Well so, anyway they've got this, thing and the story
Speaker 5: went over and, well Actually i've missed a bit out
Speaker 5: BECAUSE i started out with their with their, stuff and
Speaker 5: they hadn't Mentioned. Norway these guys mentioned that it was
Speaker 5: seen In. Scotland it was seen In Carl. Loyle, NOW
Speaker 5: i better people In america don't really know where many
Speaker 5: places are In, britain and to be, fair AND i
Speaker 5: don't know where many places are In. America but you
Speaker 5: guys have seen pictures of THE uk and it's vaguely.
Speaker 5: Triangular and if you if you measure about halfway down
Speaker 5: THE uk and draw a line through. It that's almost
Speaker 5: where The scottish border. Is most people Think scotland is
Speaker 5: a little thing on the end Of, england but actually
Speaker 5: it's a, vast, empty beautiful wilderness and it comes about
Speaker 5: halfway down the length of THE, uk it really. Does
Speaker 5: so draw a line about halfway through and there's a
Speaker 5: very thin bit of THE uk there at that, point
Speaker 5: and pretty much there is a place called Carl. Loyle
Speaker 5: it's just twenty minutes walk From Hadrian's. Wall it's right
Speaker 5: on the edge Of Hadrian's. Wall if you've ever seen
Speaker 5: that on the, map that's where it. Is there's a
Speaker 5: big report there that the comet was seen, overhead and
Speaker 5: depending on your interpretation of the, words it will appear
Speaker 5: to have split into three pieces. Overhead Roughly Carl loyle was.
Speaker 5: Low it was really, low and it scared that heck
Speaker 5: out of. Everybody i'm sure right now this comic one
Speaker 5: piece went right down the length Of. Britain there was a,
Speaker 5: guy let me just make Sure i've got the right.
Speaker 5: Guy there's a guy In france Called gregory De, tours
Speaker 5: and he WAS i think he worked in an abby
Speaker 5: and he was some sort of recorder and he wrote
Speaker 5: about this and a year later and there's quite a few.
Speaker 5: Reports there's thirty two reports Around europe describing, this this whole.
Speaker 5: Event this is not an isolated. Event it covers countries.
Speaker 5: Anyway this thing is swept Down england and it quote
Speaker 5: Sweat england with fire from end to. End, gregory who
Speaker 5: was In, brittany which is across the, channel now that's
Speaker 5: a fair. Step that's about eighty two one hundred, miles
Speaker 5: depending which bit Of brittany and which bit Of england
Speaker 5: you want to, choose but you, know it's a fair.
Speaker 5: Step he, said the sky was like daylight for eleven. Days.
Speaker 5: Wow and he was talking About. Britain he wasn't talking About,
Speaker 5: france so he could see across eighty odd. Miles you
Speaker 5: were mere glowing the sky for eleven. Days so the
Speaker 5: stories go that it set the place on fire from
Speaker 5: end to end and according to other, sources two million
Speaker 5: people round figures. Died, wow two. MILLION i mean that
Speaker 5: that is a world class. Catastrophe but it all happened
Speaker 5: pretty much isolated on one, island so it didn't get fed.
Speaker 5: In there aren't many apart from this Guy gregory Of
Speaker 5: tours In. FRANCE i can't find any other eyewitnesses From
Speaker 5: france who said they saw. Anything nobody In germany saw,
Speaker 5: anything you, know nobody in The. Frankish, well you, know
Speaker 5: you want. Me it was a fairly, local like a,
Speaker 5: channel you want, me something coming, down cutting a swathe
Speaker 5: probably eighty to one hundred miles across as it came Down.
Speaker 5: Britain maybe, wider but it wasn't like hundreds of miles.
Speaker 5: Wide it was fairly. Local and so it settled that on.
Speaker 5: Fire so many people were, killed and the king at
Speaker 5: the time. Survived he scrapes to gather what he can
Speaker 5: and he takes however many he, can and he manages
Speaker 5: to get across To. France the FIRST i thought he
Speaker 5: went To, normandy because that's the obvious place to, go
Speaker 5: because it's the nearest. Point but they. Didn't they set
Speaker 5: out Of, cardiff which is in, well Probably, caldiff and
Speaker 5: god knows how many other places as. Well but they
Speaker 5: from basically south Of, england and they sailed across The
Speaker 5: channel and they ended up In, brittany about five thousand of,
Speaker 5: them a bit of a shock to The. French five
Speaker 5: thousand people is probably half of the population of the
Speaker 5: whole Of brittany at the. Time so they turn up
Speaker 5: and the name of this king Is King, arthur and
Speaker 5: he turned up with his. Knights now as soon as
Speaker 5: anybody Says King, arthur they get treated with ridicule and.
Speaker 5: Schools one of the main reasons for that is that
Speaker 5: there was a guy Called jeffrey Of. Monmouth Now monmouth
Speaker 5: is An anglicized now town in the very south east Of.
Speaker 5: Wales it's pretty much Opposite. Bristol if anybody knows Where bristol,
Speaker 5: is it doesn't matter if you. Don't But jeffrey Of
Speaker 5: monmouth said about writing An english history one of the
Speaker 5: earliest attempts after The. Romans there was a guy Called
Speaker 5: bede who had an attempt before that that will come back.
Speaker 5: To jeffrey Of monmouth basically wrote down the stories Of King,
Speaker 5: arthur and it would appear he got it all mixed.
Speaker 5: Up we're not all mixed, up but he got some
Speaker 5: of it mixed. Up as soon as you Mentioned King,
Speaker 5: arthur all their storians, go, Oh jeffrey of the Of, monmouth.
Speaker 5: Rubbish you can't believe. Him you can't believe a word he.
Speaker 5: SAYS i, mean If arthur was you, know the guy
Speaker 5: he says he, was he would have lived for four
Speaker 5: hundred years or, sorry two hundred. Years, well, yeah that's
Speaker 5: kind of. True he would have been you, know over
Speaker 5: two hundred. Years but one there were two King arthur's
Speaker 5: And wilson And blackett proved well to, me to my,
Speaker 5: Satisfaction they've got A welsh genealogy based out Of welsh,
Speaker 5: writing which a lot of people will tell you there
Speaker 5: is No welsh, writing but there Is welsh. Writing he got,
Speaker 5: banned really, no he got. Banned it got banned when
Speaker 5: basically The english took the place. Over they banned The welsh,
Speaker 5: language they banned The worlfs, writing and they managed to
Speaker 5: batter it down to well about one hundred and tent
Speaker 5: and speakers from a huge. Number and they were trying
Speaker 5: to wipe it. OUT i mean even WHEN i was a,
Speaker 5: kid they were trying to wipe it. Out and basically they, said,
Speaker 5: well we should all be Speaking. English now this is
Speaker 5: a bit of a, diversion but this is local to.
Speaker 3: Me in my.
Speaker 5: Lifetime The welsh were having none of, it and a
Speaker 5: lot Of english people who had a lot of money
Speaker 5: were going To wales because it's very cheap to buy
Speaker 5: a property because any way of earning any money if
Speaker 5: you're not in one of the cities is there a,
Speaker 5: sheep and there's no money in. That so people would
Speaker 5: come along and they would pay twice what the going
Speaker 5: locals could afford by a place with a nice, view
Speaker 5: pay somebody temperance to look after the sheep or get
Speaker 5: rid of the. Sheep and you, know they were taking
Speaker 5: down all the Old welsh, signs and The welsh had
Speaker 5: a back and basically if you were An english person
Speaker 5: with A welsh, house they burnt. It they burnt it.
Speaker 5: Down they did a lot of. It they burnt a
Speaker 5: lot of houses down in the. Sixties wow and, yeah
Speaker 5: talk about a. Statement and now if you go To
Speaker 5: wales you'll find every street sign is In welsh And.
Speaker 5: English and if they put one up only In, english
Speaker 5: it'll only be up ten minutes because somebody will chop it.
Speaker 5: Down NO i mean, really they will chop it down.
Speaker 5: Nice so they're very fierce Slot, anyway so The welsh hadow.
Speaker 5: Language The welsh had a written, language and when The
Speaker 5: normans came in with the papacy and all the rest of.
Speaker 5: It they did their very best to forbid. Writing ban,
Speaker 5: it burn, it destroy it where it was on, rocks
Speaker 5: get rid of. It it's the writings of the. Devil
Speaker 5: wipe it, out ethnic. Cleansing they didn't manage. It quite
Speaker 5: a lots of. Vine Alan, wilson there's a well. Speaker
Speaker 5: he managed to dig up things out of old parish church,
Speaker 5: records so all sorts of strange places, museums and managed
Speaker 5: to put an awful lot of this back. TOGETHER i
Speaker 5: won't get into the details of all the people who
Speaker 5: did it and who wrote. What but because we're beginning,
Speaker 5: Too i'm already behind WHERE i thought i'd be by.
Speaker 5: Now so so so so we have we have, this
Speaker 5: uh this. Report two million people. Died now what else
Speaker 5: do we? Know we know that if people went into
Speaker 5: the place where where this event had, happened and you
Speaker 5: drunk the, water you. Died if your horse drank the,
Speaker 5: water it. Died everything, died the plants. Died pretty much
Speaker 5: nothing grew there for depending on, sources eleven to fifteen.
Speaker 5: Years so you can imagine there's a recovery after about twelve,
Speaker 5: YEARS i guess. Yeah And King arthur's if you look
Speaker 5: in The King arthur, tales you'll find that these are
Speaker 5: referred to as the Bad. Lands, okay So King arthur
Speaker 5: goes across The, france keeps his head down till it's
Speaker 5: way he thinks it's safe to come, back and they
Speaker 5: do ventures into this dangerous. BIT a lot of them don't,
Speaker 5: survive and a lot of their stories that you've got
Speaker 5: From King arthur The second forays into, this a bit
Speaker 5: of a Mad max world if you. Like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so So arthur finds himself In, france five thousand
Speaker 6: people and they're all, hungry.
Speaker 5: And then HE'S i need some. Help they, say, okay
Speaker 5: well let's ask The. Pope so they send off somebody
Speaker 5: to ask The pope for some, help and The pope
Speaker 5: comes back with this famous thing That i've heard, everywhere
Speaker 5: AND i cannot nail the original source, Down so anybody
Speaker 5: out there who knows where it, Is i'd love to hear.
Speaker 5: It but there's a famous quote that says that The
Speaker 5: pope declared that stones could not fall from heaven because
Speaker 5: there were no stones in. Heaven, therefore this was, heresy
Speaker 5: and he denied any aid because it was obviously rubbish
Speaker 5: because it was. Heresy all.
Speaker 3: Right so for, yeah you have scientists saying the same
Speaker 3: thing in the lead eighteen.
Speaker 5: Hundreds so, yeah so there's you, know the stones can't
Speaker 5: fall from, heaven and there was a paper rolling on,
Speaker 5: that which was repealed in eighteen, ELEVEN i think when
Speaker 5: a shower of meteorites fell On paris and embarrassed, everybody
Speaker 5: so they decided there probably. Was so The pope didn't
Speaker 5: send any eight two million people. Died probably a lot
Speaker 5: of those could have been, saved as there have been
Speaker 5: fresh food and water and all, that and they were
Speaker 5: expecting and our mardyr of, ships you, know from all
Speaker 5: along The, mediterranean all sending a couple of boats with
Speaker 5: some fresh food and. Stuff, no nothing. Happened now The
Speaker 5: pope declared that everywhere through the whole of because this was,
Speaker 5: heresy all references to it were rull did to be. Destroyed.
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Speaker 7: he gets the letters and the missives as they call.
Speaker 5: It you won't be crackting pile of requests and what
Speaker 5: they need and why they need. It he orders them.
Speaker 5: Destroyed he then orders everywhere who's got a copy of
Speaker 5: anything to do with this destroyed because it's, heresy and
Speaker 5: we won't suffer. Heresy right, now a cynic might, say
Speaker 5: not being a, cynic obviously these were the wrong Sort.
Speaker 5: Christians these were the ones from The English Catholic. Church
Speaker 5: they Weren't Roman. Catholics so he had an opportunity and
Speaker 5: he wasn't going to help the people From, basically they
Speaker 5: weren't From peter's. Church this is from The church Of
Speaker 5: one could Argue, jesus one could Argue Joseph. Anatha but,
Speaker 5: anyway they weren't From peters or to that, Matter. Pools
Speaker 5: actually they might have Been, pools but that's a whole different. Program.
Speaker 5: Right so they've got no, help they've got known, nothing
Speaker 5: they're starving to. Death what on earth can they? Do,
Speaker 5: well not very much so one lot of them decides
Speaker 5: to stay put and make the best of it and
Speaker 5: work their way back Into, england which they, do which
Speaker 5: is after the Second his Brother madok has a different
Speaker 5: idea and he sets about building seven hundred. Ships it's
Speaker 5: written down seven. Hundred that's quite a, lot all. Right
Speaker 5: they weren't very, big but seven under of. Them, Yeah
Speaker 5: and he builds theser somewhere Around, cardiff WHICH i find
Speaker 5: slightly odd because that would appear to be pretty close
Speaker 5: to where the flight path had. Been BUT i guess
Speaker 5: if they got fresh water and there's a lot of
Speaker 5: timber of round after, that then you, know maybe. Whatever,
Speaker 5: anyway he then sets off sale westwards to another land
Speaker 5: across the. Sea well he didn't go To. Ireland now
Speaker 5: we know that the people in the north Of england
Speaker 5: could get on the boat went To, ireland but we
Speaker 5: know That maddock, didn't, okay because he would have shown
Speaker 5: up because he was royalty and The irish were writing
Speaker 5: everything down In, ogham, right and he's not, there and
Speaker 5: they went west seven hundred ships and they're. Away, well
Speaker 5: maddock is brother is away for hang, on let me
Speaker 5: think ten twelve years something like. That he comes back
Speaker 5: with just a few, people and he comes back with
Speaker 5: lots of tales of these lands beyond the sea and
Speaker 5: these magical adventures they, had and what a jolly good
Speaker 5: time all they all, had and most of them decided
Speaker 5: to stay because it was so. Nice, okay all, right
Speaker 5: way about this, time probably in The River, ohio a,
Speaker 5: pier a white tribe with blonde hair and all red,
Speaker 5: hair all. Both and it's quite well. Documented and if
Speaker 5: you want to go and have a look around The louisville,
Speaker 5: area you'll find lots of references in The indian culture
Speaker 5: and poetry about these strange people that came from across the.
Speaker 5: Sea The english settlers when they arrived were quite surprised
Speaker 5: to find themselves ambushed by white. Men what they, were you,
Speaker 5: know in full wall paint and bows and, Arras and
Speaker 5: some guy decided to call this whole lot, winds WHICH
Speaker 5: i guess you And america know all about. Them. Me
Speaker 5: they called them White indian. Negroes, Huh i've never heard
Speaker 5: that term. Before, WELL i just found it in the.
Speaker 5: RESEARCH i, MEAN i don't know how true it is or,
Speaker 5: whatever but that's that's WHAT i. Found because they were
Speaker 5: classifying people, RIGHT i mean they like doing, That so
Speaker 5: how would they get? There, Well wilson And blackheat, say, oh,
Speaker 5: well you know what they would have done is followed
Speaker 5: the Old phoenician route and gone up around the top
Speaker 5: Of iceland and down and then Ran florida and up The.
Speaker 5: Mississippi And i'm, thinking may being a lazy, block that's
Speaker 5: a lot of. WORK i, MEAN i wouldn't be doing, that.
Speaker 5: RIGHT i, mean right, now if you come out Of,
Speaker 5: britain we have a predominantly westerly. WIND i don't know
Speaker 5: how many guys, sail but if you've got a westerly,
Speaker 5: wind you can tack at ninety degrees to the wind with, ease,
Speaker 5: Right so you can go ninety degrees to the wind. Easily.
Speaker 5: Right that means you can go south. Easily, now if
Speaker 5: you go south From, britain even in a moddie sailing,
Speaker 5: boat for two, days you'll end up somewhere near The
Speaker 5: Canary islands off the coast Of. Africa doesn't take. Long
Speaker 5: the current's taking you, along the wind's taking you. Along
Speaker 5: it's a constant. Wind it's, easy. Right and then if
Speaker 5: you just hoist the sail and do nothing at, all
Speaker 5: almost certainly you're going to end up in The caribbean
Speaker 5: and about ten to fourteen, days because that's where the
Speaker 5: current takes, you and that's where the wind takes. You
Speaker 5: and that's what they used to. Do they used to
Speaker 5: come down From britain with manufactured. Goods they'd drop them
Speaker 5: off In portugal or, whatever and they continue down To,
Speaker 5: africa drop off some more manufactured, goods pick up, slaves
Speaker 5: follow the winds straight across The, atlantic drop off the,
Speaker 5: slaves pick up any crops that they've, got sail up
Speaker 5: the coast Of New, york and then back to Brit
Speaker 5: so basically they went around in a circle because that's
Speaker 5: the way the winds went and that's the way the current. Win,
Speaker 5: Okay so IF i was them AND i knew WHAT
Speaker 5: i was, doing AND i think they knew what they
Speaker 5: were doing because they were dealing with The, phoenicians and
Speaker 5: The phoenicians appear to have had dealings with The Far
Speaker 5: east and were doing the dope run for the for
Speaker 5: The egyptian, pharaohs amongst other. THINGS i would have followed,
Speaker 5: them you. Weren't it would have been, easy and out
Speaker 5: of those seven hundred, boats you'd probably get nearly all
Speaker 5: of them. Across, yeah because if you did it that,
Speaker 5: way it'd be fairly. Easy and once you're in The
Speaker 5: gulf Of, mexico which is where you'd end, up you
Speaker 5: just got The, mississippi wouldn't you. Know it's a lot
Speaker 5: you didn't fighting it all the other way. Around SO
Speaker 5: i Think Wilson blackett are wrong on that. One but
Speaker 5: that explains how how they could how they could end up.
Speaker 5: There SO i don't had a look at this AND i, thought,
Speaker 5: okay so we've got a trajectory. Here. NOW i did
Speaker 5: this CALCULATION i did some years, ago And i've talked
Speaker 5: about it quite a, bit And i've noticed that other
Speaker 5: people have done the same calculation, since and maybe, independently
Speaker 5: and good luck on. THEM i don't really. Mind BUT
Speaker 5: i did some great circle. Plots i've got some great
Speaker 5: circle plots OFFWHERE i plotted where the points were that
Speaker 5: we know that they, were SO i could find out
Speaker 5: some trajectory. Now and THEN i plotted it backwards AND i, thought,
Speaker 5: well it must end up In. Norway it must have
Speaker 5: started In, norway must have come From. Norway and we find,
Speaker 5: yes there's toies in the. Children they know that The
Speaker 5: swedes kicked them. Out they had to disappeared To, iceland
Speaker 5: which they. Did most of the all the records and
Speaker 5: stuff were taken To iceland where they basically hidden sult
Speaker 5: for quite a long. Time, yeah and then they did
Speaker 5: a comeback and kick the kick The swedes out of
Speaker 5: about a third Of, norway which is basically to a mountain,
Speaker 5: boundary and re established themselves and brought their books back with,
Speaker 5: them which explains WHY i can only find references in
Speaker 5: The norwegian piece when it should be really right Across.
Speaker 5: Sweden but the REASON i can't find it In sweden
Speaker 5: is The swedes weren't there then you they were far
Speaker 5: more to the. East so that explains. That so THEN
Speaker 5: i start plotting it the other. Way And, Wilson Arthur,
Speaker 5: wilson Who i'd love to have a beer with some,
Speaker 5: time BUT i can't get hold of. Him i've tried
Speaker 5: And i've. Emailed they don't, write they don't call, anyway
Speaker 5: and they say he, Said he, said, well of, course you,
Speaker 5: know there are references in the same year to this
Speaker 5: in the in The New world In South. America so
Speaker 5: and he, said, Well, bolivia they had a bit of
Speaker 5: a problem In, bolivia and. Stuff so hang, ON i
Speaker 5: do this plot AND i, Go, okay we know it
Speaker 5: was seen Over, oslow we know Where oslow. Is we
Speaker 5: know it's split In carlisle in the three. Pieces, okay
Speaker 5: we know Where carlile. Is we know it went over
Speaker 5: it then went down following a certain, trajectory and wherever
Speaker 5: it went we find burnt rocks on. Hills this is rather.
Speaker 5: Controversial if you look At ARTHUR. C, clark he, said
Speaker 5: there's one big mystery THAT i never did, understand and
Speaker 5: When i've cracked, That i'll be, happy and that is
Speaker 5: there are glassified faults In.
Speaker 3: Scotland, yeah that's the vitrified. Structures.
Speaker 5: Yeah and when you look at, them they're vitrified further.
Speaker 5: Up so the further you go down the, structure the lesser.
Speaker 5: Glassifying is, Right and.
Speaker 3: It takes an enormous amount of heat to vitrify a stone.
Speaker 5: Structure. Ah, Yes but if you take an enormous rock
Speaker 5: like that and you heat the whole, thing you were't me.
Speaker 5: Enormously you're going to crack that thing to, pieces you,
Speaker 5: know because you're going to get the top is going
Speaker 5: to be much hotter than the, bottom and you know
Speaker 5: you're going to get huge. Stresses but that's not what.
Speaker 5: Happens it's just like it's. Toasted so it would appear
Speaker 5: that there. Was it's not just me saying. IT i
Speaker 5: mean there's geologists saying that these storians are having none of.
Speaker 5: It but that's another. Matter the geologists are, saying, well you,
Speaker 5: know there are several things that caused this sort of,
Speaker 5: classification like. Lightning. Mmmm but there's too much of it
Speaker 5: because light lightning is very. Local it doesn't take a
Speaker 5: whole fort out on half a. HILLSIDE i, mean you,
Speaker 5: know it takes out a couple of square meters and
Speaker 5: that's your.
Speaker 3: Look and there's a number of forts as.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah not only In, scotland there's also. Some we
Speaker 5: have a mountain range goes up kind of halfway Down
Speaker 5: england From scotland called The, pennines the backbone Of. England
Speaker 5: when you look on the map you see, why and
Speaker 5: along there we have some forts there as, well and
Speaker 5: they're vitrified as. Well, okay and then it goes down
Speaker 5: Through South wales and we find vitrified forts on the
Speaker 5: top of the hills there as. Well we don't find
Speaker 5: them in the, valleys we just find them on the
Speaker 5: top and mostly his story and, say, oh this is
Speaker 5: where people just set far to the fault and you
Speaker 5: know you got that hot and you're, thinking really three,
Speaker 5: thousand three thousand degrees bits of, Wood, yeah a bit of.
Speaker 5: Stretch so we have, that we have, that. Right SO
Speaker 5: i did this great circle plot AND i started it
Speaker 5: at Carl, oisle AND i know it went over some
Speaker 5: thoughts in Southern, wales SO i plotted across. That it goes,
Speaker 5: breaks it breaks The atlantic coast Of brazil almost on
Speaker 5: its northern. Border and guess, what we have stories of
Speaker 5: break lights in the sky and. Destruction it carries. On
Speaker 5: i'll miss a gap out and come back to. It
Speaker 5: it carries on In bolivia the same year five six.
Speaker 5: Two we have Dated dendro dated destruction. PYRAMIDS a lot
Speaker 5: of them were made of. MUD i mean you hear
Speaker 5: about the great big ones made of the you, know
Speaker 5: huge enormost slabs the size.
Speaker 3: Of perfectly in such yeah and all that.
Speaker 5: Stuff yeah, yeah. Yeah well apart from, THAT i mean
Speaker 5: they had an awful lot of ones made of like
Speaker 5: mud brick, adobe you, know and they all got destroyed
Speaker 5: five six two mm. Hmm the tree stopped growing five
Speaker 5: six two, hmm same, day same, thing the same. Line
Speaker 5: THAT'S i find quite. Interesting but that's not. All that's
Speaker 5: one of the parts of the. Three SO i plotted
Speaker 5: the second, one which shot off Through, wales and, well
Speaker 5: no it didn't. It it shut across a lot Of
Speaker 5: ireland because island got, scorched it got set on, fire
Speaker 5: but nowhere near as much of. It if you look
Speaker 5: around in the stuff that's, popular you don't. Find but
Speaker 5: if you go looking in the, records is there and
Speaker 5: it basically clips Across. Ireland, okay so you do a
Speaker 5: great circle plot from where that, came and it goes
Speaker 5: straight Over Mexico city m five six' to. Two thereabouts
Speaker 5: they report this enormous light in. The sky everybody's terrified
Speaker 5: crops failed. For years they make a special spiral symbol
Speaker 5: unique stick it on. Their pyramids, Huh yeah and then
Speaker 5: their crops failed and things start, falling apart and they all,
Speaker 5: move out and a lot of them Moving To, north
Speaker 5: america and they seem to end up in one lot
Speaker 5: seem to end up two hundred years Later. In, georgia
Speaker 5: yes they where they built a similar structure and put
Speaker 5: the same symbol. On, it.
Speaker 3: Now what does this symbol.
Speaker 5: Look like it's a kind of. Spiral thing it's difficult
Speaker 5: to describe on. THE radio, i mean you see, spirals
Speaker 5: everywhere but this one is, you know it starts at the,
Speaker 5: right angle when it finishes at the. Same angle. It
Speaker 5: is it's just. An angle it's just a spiral that
Speaker 5: would appear to be aligned in a. Certain angle do
Speaker 5: you UNDERSTAND what? I mean rather, than random these people
Speaker 5: would appear from Other things i've read to be genetically
Speaker 5: connected to the People So. Middle america in, other words,
Speaker 5: you Know the americans walked Down from alaska down At
Speaker 5: The south america and some of them came, back, right yeah.
Speaker 5: Reverse turn not not all it's cracked up. To be
Speaker 5: so we find. Them there what else do we find? Around,
Speaker 5: there well around there In The, ohio valley we find,
Speaker 5: hill falls.
Speaker 3: Just like we have In.
Speaker 5: Southern england we have dozens, of them probably a hundred.
Speaker 5: Of them they're all on the. Same footprint they're all
Speaker 5: roughly the, same size, you know within three. Hundred percent you.
Speaker 5: Weren't me they're roughly the. Same size there are, village
Speaker 5: size and we have exactly the same structures In The
Speaker 5: ohio valley that we Have In. South, wales okay we've
Speaker 5: got white people about the same you were me blah,
Speaker 5: blah blah and so it. Goes on so there would
Speaker 5: appear to be a refugee connection between this comic and people,
Speaker 5: up there and then a load of mess going On.
Speaker 5: In bolivia and this is the One where i'm going
Speaker 5: to get crucified and trolled. For, years, Okay right, Puma pumku,
Speaker 5: YES right i mean it's The ultimate. Lego, kit, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Pretty much do You have Lego?
Speaker 2: In?
Speaker 5: America, Yes, yeah okay so The ultimate, lego kit. Isn't
Speaker 5: it we've got industrial components mass produced somehow join them all,
Speaker 5: up together and FROM what i, can see you can
Speaker 5: make eviding from a space launcher to. A Garage and
Speaker 5: i've seen like pictures of temples made up from, these
Speaker 5: things and rocket launchers made up from these blocks and,
Speaker 5: so on blased to be fairly. Useful things but what
Speaker 5: look is very strange is that these rocks are not
Speaker 5: monstrously large by. World standards but you're talking half, a ton,
Speaker 5: a ton, two tons, FOUR tons, i, mean yeah reasonable
Speaker 5: pieces of rock, big enough, well yeah, big enough like
Speaker 5: you need ten people and ropes, AND yeah i mean pretty.
Speaker 5: PRETTY big i mean they're not as big as the
Speaker 5: massive ones In, cousco on, you know but they're pretty.
Speaker 5: Large blocks and they think they've been blown around. Like, popcorn,
Speaker 5: yeah now what on earth could? Do, that well right on,
Speaker 5: the money we have a disaster in five six two awful,
Speaker 5: you know a few, years before if you want to,
Speaker 5: GET pedantic i think a lot of it had to
Speaker 5: do with them, changing calendars by, the, way, okay yeah
Speaker 5: but because they changed calendars twice IN the uk and
Speaker 5: dates got trans, you know they got mixed up. And,
Speaker 5: things yeah, you know they ended up with too many
Speaker 5: easters and they had a chop five Out, Guests smith no.
Speaker 8: THEY did. I.
Speaker 5: Know yeah so you've got all that, going on.
Speaker 4: And you've got this.
Speaker 5: Comet arrives we know that there was big Devastation in
Speaker 5: bolivia at. That point i've not seen anybody on the
Speaker 5: usual suspects sites mentioned in, this day.
Speaker 2: But the.
Speaker 5: Museums do now what do we Know About. Poma, punkop
Speaker 5: well it looks like the whole thing was BUILT of i,
Speaker 5: don't know styrophoam little blocks and somebody got a hair
Speaker 5: dryron just, blew it DOESN'T it, i mean it pretty
Speaker 5: much just. Goes everywhere and we do know that one
Speaker 5: end of the site and all the rest of it
Speaker 5: is covered in mud which Came From lake tiddy carco
Speaker 5: and which is only around. THE corner, i mean FROM
Speaker 5: what i Gather From, jerry wills who's done to. LOOK
Speaker 5: done I Asked jerry wills to do some legwork, for
Speaker 5: me and, he Did and i've done some legwork, for him,
Speaker 5: and so, you know so it goes on and, he, said,
Speaker 5: yeah yeah he sort of, you know dug down a handful.
Speaker 5: OR two, i mean not in any sort of, important
Speaker 5: site but on the edge of a, car park. YOU know,
Speaker 5: i mean we're not Talking About World heritage site. Desecration
Speaker 5: here and he comes, up with, you know shells and
Speaker 5: mud and stuff you'd expect to find a bottom of
Speaker 5: a lake or a river. Or Something so i'm just
Speaker 5: wondering if the thing Comes, over bolivia something, really Happens
Speaker 5: because bolivia seems to be in worse Shape. Than britain,
Speaker 5: actually yeah because Most, of yeah and my question is
Speaker 5: did some of it Fall In Lake titty circle and
Speaker 5: former mini tsunami THAT washed, i mean it wouldn't need
Speaker 5: to be a very big one Because Late tiddy corc
Speaker 5: is only around the corner and there's nothing to.
Speaker 3: Stop IT and i believe it was bigger back then
Speaker 3: as well than what it. Is, today, well yeah it would.
Speaker 5: Have come right up to the Edge of Tijuanaco And.
Speaker 5: Puma punku so we're. Not talking you don't need. TO
Speaker 5: me i mean if if if you dun't a rock
Speaker 5: of a few hundred tons in the middle, of that
Speaker 5: like at, HIGH speed i reckon that would probably, be enough, you, Know.
Speaker 3: Possibly yeah what part of the rock could have Also Hit.
Speaker 5: Puma, punku yeah, but Yeah but i'm also wondering about
Speaker 5: because of the scattering and we don't see like impacts
Speaker 5: and we don't see great. Lumpson nickel if we're talking
Speaker 5: about a nerd burst Like. Tim, guska, great right, but
Speaker 5: no nobody will talk to me again about that. Very
Speaker 5: well seem to think talking to people on the coast
Speaker 5: about some of the stories that the main body probably
Speaker 5: fell in this some whiles off the Coast of Peru,
Speaker 5: or bolivia someone near the border of, the two causing a,
Speaker 5: local backsplash which he thinks he may have found evidence
Speaker 5: of or his, stories of and it might have come
Speaker 5: quite a long way. BACK up i. DON'T know, i
Speaker 5: mean it needs a lot, more Work and jerry would
Speaker 5: like to go back and do, some more but the
Speaker 5: time and resources and so it. Goes on so basically
Speaker 5: to kind of wrap the whole. Thing, up well then, What,
Speaker 5: Happened well britain became, fertile again the water was able
Speaker 5: to be. Drunk again there are certain Geological reports i've
Speaker 5: read that say that some of the sediments in the
Speaker 5: lakes In The, high countries in a limestone area contain
Speaker 5: reasonably high levels of things. Like selenium we shouldn't, be
Speaker 5: there lead shouldn't, be, there nickel, especially nickel and a lot.
Speaker 5: Of iron but there's a lot of iron up. There
Speaker 5: anyway so we have, some heavy more heavy elements than
Speaker 5: certainly a lot of water people would expect to. Find,
Speaker 5: there yeah we have. Classified rocks we have an empty.
Speaker 5: Country mhm and then, What, happens Well the vikings turn
Speaker 5: up right, on cue lots, of them thousands. Of Them
Speaker 5: anglo saxons turn up thousands, of them and they find
Speaker 5: this green country. Largely empty, they, said, really hmm took the.
Speaker 5: Place over the pope IS his i forgot his. Name
Speaker 5: mhm gone for. The minute the pope who's still. The,
Speaker 5: pope yeah after, fifteen years since, twelve years fifteen, years
Speaker 5: thereabouts He's sentient augustin to and To, christianize britain because
Speaker 5: this is the same guy that said they couldn't have.
Speaker 5: Any Help yeaht FROM what i, can see he waits
Speaker 5: till it's safe and sends. His guys but meanwhile there
Speaker 5: were a whole bunch of, other guys which is from,
Speaker 5: another story Of these christians who had been out In
Speaker 5: the orkney aisles who had missed the comic because they
Speaker 5: were the other side.
Speaker 2: Of it.
Speaker 5: They, come In Notably saint cuthbert and a lot of,
Speaker 5: other people and they start trying to Christianize the vikings
Speaker 5: and other people who had, turned up and the remnants
Speaker 5: Of the brits who had presumably gone back home or survived.
Speaker 5: Or whatever and they were quite surprised to find that
Speaker 5: there were Lots of christians there already and they really
Speaker 5: didn't need, a pope thank you, very much and will
Speaker 5: you please all? Go, away well they weren't going to,
Speaker 5: do that and, they, said well We're The Roman catholic
Speaker 5: church and, You aren't and who are, you anyway and, they,
Speaker 5: said well we predate you by. Seventy years and then
Speaker 5: it all, went well, screw you and it all, got
Speaker 5: interesting and a Guy Called saint cuthbert was left By
Speaker 5: The english Catholic Or scottish catholic or, but Anyway The
Speaker 5: British catholic church to sort, things out and he kind
Speaker 5: of tried to smooth, things over and the rest of
Speaker 5: his party basically took their bat and ball home and
Speaker 5: weren't playing and never came. Back again and then run
Speaker 5: basically took the place over and in one hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty hang on one hundred, of minus that's one hundred and. Fifty,
Speaker 5: years bead who was a writer of, the time a
Speaker 5: chronicler attached to, a monastery said the Whole of britain
Speaker 5: was a white carpet or churches.
Speaker 3: And that was the.
Speaker 5: Game Over h so that's why, Your, Angles saxons Dukes
Speaker 5: and vikings were able to take the place over. So, Easily.
Speaker 3: Okay so if the first, part hit.
Speaker 5: Got to, remember this this is. A story it's based
Speaker 5: on How far i've got, So far i'm sure bits
Speaker 5: of it, are wrong so, but nevertheless this is as
Speaker 5: Far as i've Got and i've got no book, to
Speaker 5: sell so, you know, take it take it or, leave
Speaker 5: it or.
Speaker 3: Follow, It, yeah now the part that went Down, in
Speaker 3: mexico is there any evidence where? That ended it seemed
Speaker 3: to go. Over, it oh.
Speaker 5: It didn't seem to collib. With eviding it was pretty
Speaker 5: low and the tops of some OF the i haven't been,
Speaker 5: to Check but i'm told that some of the peaks
Speaker 5: of the of the pyramids and the mountains. Are, glassified,
Speaker 5: hmm OKAY but i haven't been there to. Verify it
Speaker 5: i'm told it's. The case as soon as you find
Speaker 5: classification in, high places the establishment just start saying lightning
Speaker 5: and don't stop.
Speaker 3: Saying lightning you would think they would accept. A comet,
Speaker 3: i mean it's not that outrageous of. An idea.
Speaker 5: Well, well yeah but if they start accepting, the comic
Speaker 5: they start haveing you to Accept that Jeffrey of monmouth wasn't.
Speaker 5: Complete rubbish and You know tally's. Low was, you know
Speaker 5: some Of The sue liss and a few of the
Speaker 5: other writers had. A point, i mean at, the moment
Speaker 5: if you look at the, official now it's not. Really
Speaker 5: fair some of the official people take, this seriously, not
Speaker 5: many but. SOME do i can think of about five
Speaker 5: professors from my listings that absolutely think it up and
Speaker 5: know it up and see the. Evidence here it is
Speaker 5: nothing to argue. ABOUT you i mean it's the historians
Speaker 5: that have the problem because they've all been brought Up
Speaker 5: with Jeffrey and monmouth basically made. It, up. Yeah right
Speaker 5: and then You add mallory who Goes to france and
Speaker 5: he gets hold of the rest Of The king, arthur's
Speaker 5: stories the hanging, about yeah because he Was. In france
Speaker 5: we know He's. In france why was He? In france
Speaker 5: damn Comic. In britain that's why They. In france so
Speaker 5: he's off having adventures and rescuing maidens and catching his
Speaker 5: dinner and doing whatever he's Doing in france until basically
Speaker 5: the whole thing calmed down and he, were, known, Right
Speaker 5: Right so mallory pick some stuff up. From there Jeffrey
Speaker 5: of monoth's got. Some stuff They know Jeffrey of monmouth
Speaker 5: got some stuff wrong because they know he's got. STUFF
Speaker 5: wrong i know he's got. Stuff wrong he's got. Stuff
Speaker 5: wrong any anybody who can see the original source documents
Speaker 5: knows he got. Stuff wrong that doesn't mean all the
Speaker 5: stories are wrong.
Speaker 3: Right right, that means, you know some of.
Speaker 5: It's wrong dates, are wrong orders. Are wrong this king before,
Speaker 5: that king there Was Two. KING arthurs, I mean I
Speaker 5: mean Wilson and blackett have got this wonderful geneological thing
Speaker 5: that will take you all the way from the year
Speaker 5: like well before Well, before, jesus yeah right through to the,
Speaker 5: present day showing how the whole thing was all joined.
Speaker 5: Up through would you Believe Five?
Speaker 2: King?
Speaker 5: ARTHURS h i mean there's someone, more, recent YEAH but
Speaker 5: i mean we Had A king arthur who was a king,
Speaker 5: FOR well i, don't know it seemed like, ten minutes,
Speaker 5: you know. He died he wasn't around. For long we
Speaker 5: almost Had A king arthur recently, last century, not quite
Speaker 5: but you know there Have Been king arthur's through our,
Speaker 5: history too. Of Them wilson blackett's basic breakthrough is that
Speaker 5: they've turned up some original documents which show, they, were
Speaker 5: well at least to, my satisfaction Two. King arthurs one
Speaker 5: would appear to be the great grandson of the. Other
Speaker 5: one hence the he can't Possibly Be. King arthur he'd
Speaker 5: have to be two hundred, years old. You know not
Speaker 5: if there are two. King, arthurs yeah and so on and,
Speaker 5: so on and we've got we've got all this, wonderful
Speaker 5: thing and it really upsets the. Apple cart and then
Speaker 5: you've got to, Ask, yourself well going back to my,
Speaker 5: Original question i'm sitting back in, my classroom why did
Speaker 5: they build these towns next to the? Other? TOWNS No
Speaker 5: i Sally, This now sally is, my wife and she's, an, archaeologist, anthropologist.
Speaker 5: Artist genius got stiff good. For that it's a real one,
Speaker 5: in mensa and sometimes she lets me. Forget it but, she,
Speaker 5: said well if you look In The, anglo saxon and
Speaker 5: She Studied, anglo saxon can read bits of it In
Speaker 5: medieval french and it makes. You sick but. She's looking,
Speaker 5: she said they said they wouldn't live In the roman
Speaker 5: ruins because they were full.
Speaker 2: Of.
Speaker 5: Ghosts huh quote that turns up all over. The place
Speaker 5: what does? That, mean well if you've had the comic,
Speaker 5: whiz through you've got two, million dead and You're An
Speaker 5: anglo saxon just off the boat from the Middle, of
Speaker 5: germany and you walk into a city and there's three
Speaker 5: thousand people's buns sat in the middle of. These, ashes
Speaker 5: yeah would your wife really want to put her telly
Speaker 5: and her sofa in the middle.
Speaker 3: Of, that.
Speaker 5: No so we have a tradition all the way down
Speaker 5: that that that corridor where they built a town next,
Speaker 5: to it and they Used the Roman the, roman ruins
Speaker 5: and they probably had rooms on all the rooms, had
Speaker 5: gone but you could have, rerooved it. You know i'm
Speaker 5: sure these things must have been. Pretty serviceable we're only
Speaker 5: till one hundred. YEARS ago, i mean if you're Going to,
Speaker 5: scotland now you can see ruins that have been not
Speaker 5: used for three, hundred years and if you put a roof,
Speaker 5: on it, you know you can live, in it. You
Speaker 5: know but they didn't they. Mind it they wouldn't live
Speaker 5: in there because of. The GHOSTS so.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 5: Say that so she's put a note underneath of. YOUR
Speaker 5: son i forgot to say about that there were no Rocks.
Speaker 5: IN heaven i did, say THAT didn't, i, Yes okay,
Speaker 5: so yeah THAT'S why i think they didn't, live there
Speaker 5: because everybody said they were full. Of ghosts they'd come
Speaker 5: from the Middle. Of europe they're taking the. Place over
Speaker 5: oh there's a. Nice place oh look we've, Got water
Speaker 5: we've got a, nice view We've got we've got an old.
Speaker 5: City here it's full of, dead people a lot of,
Speaker 5: dead people unburied, dead PEOPLE and i can't see, YOU
Speaker 5: know i mean the guy with the guy with the
Speaker 5: big hat on, the sword he'd probably just, say SWEEPER
Speaker 5: but i bet his wife would be going not quite
Speaker 5: so keen. On THIS so i think that's why we
Speaker 5: have the people building basically nowhere near so serviceable houses
Speaker 5: right next to ones that have got plumbing. And, sewerage.
Speaker 3: Yeah huh you said there were three parts of. The
Speaker 3: comic where'd the third part? End?
Speaker 5: UP ah i think some people have got. This wrong
Speaker 5: some people say the third part Went, towards gaul which
Speaker 5: Would be. France specifically It's. Not brittney it's round to
Speaker 5: the east, of that basically where you guys would think
Speaker 5: of as northern And. CENTRAL france i don't think. It
Speaker 5: did the comet says the lighting say that the comic
Speaker 5: looked like a dragon when. It's split oh that. Was
Speaker 5: interesting now the the what's the symbol? Of whales can anybody? Tell?
Speaker 5: You not not The leak i'm talking about on? Their
Speaker 5: flag what's what's the symbol? OF us i.
Speaker 3: DON'T know i.
Speaker 5: Don't know it's a. Red dragon. Oh okay they called
Speaker 5: this comic the. Dragon comic now they called other comets,
Speaker 5: other things, you know, spear comic so on this one
Speaker 5: was the. Dragon comic there might have been two, dragon
Speaker 5: comets just a, confus's all but there's a dragon comic.
Speaker 5: Now dragon we know what a. Dragon is, fire breathing bird, like,
Speaker 5: creature scales eats, pretty maidens all that kind. Of, thing, yeah,
Speaker 5: okay incidentally that's. Another story i've just made, another connection,
Speaker 5: So sorry i've just pennies just dropped on. Something else
Speaker 5: so The original welsh literal translation for the word for
Speaker 5: dragon is in two parts and it means. Lightning, stone,
Speaker 5: okay now can you think of a better description of?
Speaker 3: An? Asteroid, no really no for? A, comet yeah.
Speaker 5: And the first time it appears to be used on
Speaker 5: a flag or on an emblem.
Speaker 2: Is.
Speaker 3: Then huh, all, Right OKAY and I think.
Speaker 5: I've just realized why the locals Called White horse hill.
Speaker 5: Dragon HILL but i think that might be. Another story
Speaker 5: i've just put two and. Two together, and anyway so
Speaker 5: when did the other one go in? The sky it
Speaker 5: would appear that it said it had a shaft of
Speaker 5: light Pointed. Towards, gaul well we know that comics tails
Speaker 5: fly away from, the sun don't, We RIGHT and i
Speaker 5: think they're talking about a Forward fake and when a
Speaker 5: comic comes in towards, the sun the tails away, from it,
Speaker 5: Isn't it and when it goes, around it it basically
Speaker 5: chases its own. Tail. Out, YEAH well i think they're
Speaker 5: talking about a shaft of light because there's no References
Speaker 5: outside BRITTANEY that i can lay Mine until i've looked
Speaker 5: very old for anything Outside, of britney which is on
Speaker 5: the Top. Left france in, other words it basically it
Speaker 5: didn't Go. Over france it didn't even Go, over brittany
Speaker 5: but they could. See, it, yeah OKAY so i don't
Speaker 5: think it, went there which leaves me with only one
Speaker 5: other place it could go because of ANOTHER sighting i
Speaker 5: know of which didn't, quite fit and that would appear
Speaker 5: to actually put it In The southern States of america North, of,
Speaker 5: mexico mm but not far.
Speaker 3: North like where specifically, you're thinking just north of the
Speaker 3: Border like texas, or.
Speaker 5: Well you've got a thing over there Called The, zonus
Speaker 5: silence isn't It?
Speaker 3: In Mexico.
Speaker 2: In?
Speaker 5: MEXICO mexico i thought it was just North. OF mexican
Speaker 5: i don't.
Speaker 3: THINK so i think it's just south OF the. Us
Speaker 3: border is it? Very, CLOSE yeah i think it is,
Speaker 3: very close like what less than? SIXTY old i don't,
Speaker 3: know EXACTLY but i know It's a it's.
Speaker 5: Not, one hundreds?
Speaker 2: Is? It?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: No, No, right well if from one of the other Sightings,
Speaker 5: from ireland which not many people seem to have picked,
Speaker 5: up one Or maybe i've got, it wrong it would
Speaker 5: appear to have go north of the of the one
Speaker 5: that The. Clip, mexico okay maybe there's one sighting that
Speaker 5: said it's written, to four but. Only one. IT'S that, i,
Speaker 5: MEAN basically i think the thing was just falling apart.
Speaker 3: Right now there's.
Speaker 5: Owner silence is rather odd in that you can go
Speaker 5: in there, From Well Jerry, jerry will the explorer filmmaker,
Speaker 5: guy says if you go in there with, the compass
Speaker 5: it just does its. Own thing you go in never the,
Speaker 5: mobile phone. It STOPS and, i, thought, yeah yeah, The
Speaker 5: ones i'd buy it, Like THAT.
Speaker 2: But i.
Speaker 5: DON'T know. I haven't i haven't looked. At that BUT that's,
Speaker 5: posi well if you had an, ENORMOUS supposing i haven't
Speaker 5: really found the. SMOKING gun, i mean, you know where
Speaker 5: is the? Damn crater is? There one did it just
Speaker 5: break up? To powder is there a big? Old somewhere
Speaker 5: did it bury itself under. The ground did it drop
Speaker 5: in the Sea like jerry thinks and cause a mini
Speaker 5: tsunami that you can see the stuff on the side of.
Speaker 5: THE andies, i mean that's. One BIT but i mean
Speaker 5: just supposing you've got a heavy nickel comic coming in
Speaker 5: at a very. Shallow anger, don't forget this is all very.
Speaker 5: Shadow angle it's following, an orbit it's coming in, very
Speaker 5: shallow so it's going to kind of dig, itself In
Speaker 5: isn't it's it's not going to make a meteor crater
Speaker 5: like the famous ones. You've, got Yeah but i'm just
Speaker 5: wondering if if you had a large amount of nickel in,
Speaker 5: the ground under, the ground in, the silence all. The,
Speaker 5: effects well it's a long shot and it's, a yes
Speaker 5: but it'd be, rather nice. Wouldn't it.
Speaker 3: Because it's definitely a weird area.
Speaker 5: Right, there yeah but there's a it's on the flight
Speaker 5: path of a. Weird. Thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: The other, thing is of course THAT one i won't mention,
Speaker 5: his name but somebody is quite voluable in a lot of.
Speaker 5: The forums and, he, SAID wow i mean. There's engineering,
Speaker 5: well yeah it comes right Around Oven norway bank takes
Speaker 5: out pum Pump clean who? Aimed?
Speaker 3: It yes who? Aimed IT.
Speaker 4: So i.
Speaker 5: DON'T know i mean you can argue it out With
Speaker 5: the draconians Or the PALLADIANS or.
Speaker 2: I.
Speaker 3: Don't know well.
Speaker 5: That's basically is there ANY bits i missed or Any questions?
Speaker 3: You've, Got, no look you have. Any questions so have.
Speaker 5: There been any impact craters that have been found for
Speaker 5: the three pieces that you Theorize? In britain there would
Speaker 5: appear to be quite a lot. Of, particles, YEAH okay
Speaker 5: i mean lots. Of it so it, appears that, you
Speaker 5: know when you see pictures of a meteor or breaking
Speaker 5: up in the sky and, everybody, goes wow isn't? That
Speaker 5: pretty and it's all going into. Small, bits uh somebody
Speaker 5: just hand, me note is what destroyed memo saying distroy?
Speaker 5: The things that's why. WE know i did, Say THAT so. I,
Speaker 5: didn't oh she's. Just saying the reason we know that
Speaker 5: the pope told everybody to destroy all of the records
Speaker 5: is because the memo of him telling everybody to destroy
Speaker 5: the records. Of ours, oh, okay yeah you didn't, mention,
Speaker 5: That okay so THAT'S.
Speaker 3: What i was actually, Wondering THAT and i totally forgot
Speaker 3: to ask you. About, that, no, no no that that
Speaker 3: that is that's in the. Papal records that's kind of,
Speaker 3: funny actually.
Speaker 5: Because if it's famous quote that knows there are no stones,
Speaker 5: in heaven so it, Can't happen and that got repealed
Speaker 5: in eighteen eleven when a load Fell. On, paris wow
Speaker 5: so that's why we know. That happened so what great
Speaker 5: big lumps? Of, things Well, in britain what we seem
Speaker 5: to have is more like. A roasting it's, more, LIKE
Speaker 5: oh i, don't know we're taking a large inger of
Speaker 5: of steel and, you know, red hot, white hot and
Speaker 5: like pulling it through your house on a small trolley
Speaker 5: and you know where's? The, INGER well i don't KNOW
Speaker 5: what i can seal. The burnmoks this thing would have
Speaker 5: appeared to have done FROM what i, can see at
Speaker 5: least half. An orbit you weren't me on the. WAY
Speaker 5: in i mean presumably it did a couple more for it.
Speaker 5: Got there but, you know, the FIRST as, i say the.
Speaker 5: First reference there's one guy on, the web lovely fella
Speaker 5: works very hard trying, these things and he's trying to
Speaker 5: tell us all that it Started At puma punku and
Speaker 5: ended Up. In Norway but i'm afraid that just isn't
Speaker 5: what the. Witnesses say they say it went the, other
Speaker 5: way and. His way you'd have to have convergence to,
Speaker 5: the BITS and i can't see how that, would, Work,
Speaker 5: right yeah so no great. Big, bits well just supposing
Speaker 5: it was it Hit like, titty carcour you could expect
Speaker 5: a great lump of stuff in there to cause their mini.
Speaker 5: SOU armi i mean they call it a. Soon armi
Speaker 5: FROM what, i gather it's about fourteen eighteen feet. Of, mud,
Speaker 5: yeah yeah it's not.
Speaker 3: You know and there it could be buried a little
Speaker 3: lake at, This, point well it.
Speaker 5: Could be right in the lake. Sat, There yeah jerry
Speaker 5: seems To Think, JERRY wills, i mean he went looking
Speaker 5: and trying to follow this up on, his, last latest
Speaker 5: last One, to bolivia and he sort of got echoes
Speaker 5: of stories of a big tidal wave sometime. Around then but,
Speaker 5: you know you're talking legends with outdates, and stuff and
Speaker 5: there appears To be pacific bottom mud washed quite a
Speaker 5: long way up, The andyes i'm not talking about the
Speaker 5: stuff from When the andes, were created you, weren't we but,
Speaker 5: you know stuff subsequent, to that quite a long. Way
Speaker 5: up so there was a tsunami there at. Some point
Speaker 5: but bearing in mind that it's on that great big
Speaker 5: folk that runs all the way down the west Coast,
Speaker 5: of america you're probably going to get. Them, Anyway true but,
Speaker 5: You know jerry reckons it probably the payload dropped in
Speaker 5: the Seat, Of peru blivia. SOMEWHERE there.
Speaker 8: I.
Speaker 5: Don't know it's, A guess, i suppose but there are some.
Speaker 5: Local STORIES what i didn't tell you was that along
Speaker 5: the flight Paths, THE amazon i don't know if you
Speaker 5: know About, the well You've had jerry on the, show
Speaker 5: before haven't You met Jerry. And kathy katy keeps discovering. Hidden,
Speaker 5: cities yeah do you hate it when? That happens.
Speaker 4: All.
Speaker 5: THE paperwork i don't know how many she's, found now
Speaker 5: but they found a good half a dozen In, the
Speaker 5: Amazon the Unknown to. Western documentation so and then you
Speaker 5: hear about, the stories and there are stories about all
Speaker 5: the crops failing for you know about ten, years again
Speaker 5: and their solution to, that, is well we've obviously got the,
Speaker 5: wrong shaman so we'll. Kill him and we've obviously got the,
Speaker 5: wrong king so we'll. Kill him the new ones not
Speaker 5: doing too, much better. Kill him, screw this we'll go.
Speaker 5: Somewhere else.
Speaker 3: So there's.
Speaker 5: His story, and, say ah but this happened about nine
Speaker 5: hundred to a thousand day d To which, jerry says
Speaker 5: how do?
Speaker 2: They know.
Speaker 5: They haven't. Been it nobody's, been there nobody's in put
Speaker 5: a spade in. The grid but that just ties in
Speaker 5: with something else. They KNOW but, i mean those people
Speaker 5: were having good years and bad years and good. YOU know,
Speaker 5: i mean who knows, Why people but it would appear
Speaker 5: that the locals talk of a very very bad time
Speaker 5: of famine at around the right time That the bolivian
Speaker 5: thing disappeared and the comic Story in, britain appeared and
Speaker 5: the Story in, mexico appeared and the story a lot
Speaker 5: of the People in mexico walked away around. That time
Speaker 5: BAD crop a load of People in amazon, walked away.
Speaker 5: BAD crops a load of People in england, walk away get,
Speaker 5: on boats, bad crops.
Speaker 3: Right right.
Speaker 5: It just seems.
Speaker 3: Very, curious, well, yes yes and it's a fascinating story
Speaker 3: and we're just about out, of time so let's tell
Speaker 3: people also what. You do you run a Company Called. Coastal,
Speaker 3: computing yep we.
Speaker 5: Do that we have an Office. In spain we have
Speaker 5: an office Here, in norwich which is, a nice beautiful
Speaker 5: medieval city complete with castle and ghosts and everything Else.
Speaker 5: In england it it is, very nice, all right it.
Speaker 3: Really is and you Also Run.
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Speaker 5: of you were listening on it probably by the time you. Hear,
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Speaker 3: All, right well Thank you john for telling us, this story,
Speaker 3: this Theory because you've been telling me about it for,
Speaker 3: a While and i've been wanting to get you on
Speaker 3: to talk about it because it's. Totally fascinating it's been
Speaker 3: a bit of.
Speaker 5: A monologue sorry.
Speaker 3: About that that's, all right pretty much necessary for you
Speaker 3: to give all. This information this is just a fraction.
Speaker 5: Of it well you can see there are lots of
Speaker 5: side stories. On, there yeah you could go on for
Speaker 5: ages and then the big problem is just there's. Too
Speaker 5: much it's just too much to. Take, in well basically
Speaker 5: you take the history from about, you know twenty a
Speaker 5: D of britain and rip. It, up yeah, all, right,
Speaker 5: yeah okay.
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Speaker 3: is bring back. The sun we'll talk to you. Next week.
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