Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 2: I was done.
Speaker 1: I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult
Speaker 1: is one of the things that turned me away the quickest.
Speaker 1: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
Speaker 1: looked at us, and one of the things I remember
Speaker 1: the most where the eyes were glowing red. I see
Speaker 1: an orb of light. It is just circling these steps
Speaker 1: like it is waiting for me.
Speaker 2: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
Speaker 2: They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
Speaker 1: and that's where I saw.
Speaker 2: The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes.
Speaker 1: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing,
Speaker 1: I don't like death. Welcome back to another episode of
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Brandon. Today's episode, we're gonna be joined
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Speaker 1: on into the conversation and I really hope you guys
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Speaker 1: next one. I like to think this time, welcome my
Speaker 1: guest tonight, Nick. Thanks for coming out here and talk
Speaker 1: with me tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Would you like to let the audience know a little
Speaker 1: bit about yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, I have a podcast called Almost Cannon. I
Speaker 2: live up here in Vermont, in the North Country, in
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere. I mean, other than that, I
Speaker 2: really kind of been digging into the paranormal ever since
Speaker 2: I was a kid. Really, I mean just fascinated me
Speaker 2: ever since I was really little.
Speaker 1: So the name almost Cannon is a play on the
Speaker 1: whole Nick Cannon thing. But that's how I thought it
Speaker 1: was when I saw your name.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's actually a name my old co host
Speaker 2: picked out. Ah, but he's not around anymore. So it's
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, the Cannon is the official story, right, right,
Speaker 2: So it's almost Cannon.
Speaker 1: I figured that's what it was, But with your name
Speaker 1: being Nick and then it was almost Cannons, Like is
Speaker 1: this supposed to be like almost Cannon, like the lore
Speaker 1: like almost real or almost Nick Cannon?
Speaker 2: No, I wish right, No, you have like eight hundred kids,
Speaker 2: I know, that's what I've heard. I don't really.
Speaker 1: That's a conspiracy in itself. How many kids Nick Cannon
Speaker 1: actually have? But no, how long have you been doing
Speaker 1: your podcast?
Speaker 2: Uh? Year and a half maybe something like that. A
Speaker 2: little while.
Speaker 1: I guess I've been doing this one for about two years,
Speaker 1: so to year anniversary was a little over a month ago.
Speaker 1: Oh nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to like, you know, stick through it
Speaker 2: and get it out there. Is definitely fun, I guess,
Speaker 2: and have an outlet for all this stuff, crazy stuff
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of stuff going on,
Speaker 1: and for some reason, I just seem to always be
Speaker 1: able to keep doing episodes. So I guess until I
Speaker 1: can't do that anymore, I'll keep at it. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a postal driver, so I deliver, you know,
Speaker 2: a rural postal driver. So I'm driving all day long,
Speaker 2: like ninety miles a day, and I listened, you know,
Speaker 2: I just listened to podcasts all day long.
Speaker 1: So that is I used to drive for work, and
Speaker 1: it'll probably pick back up, but for work purposes. The
Speaker 1: last couple of years, my closest location to my office
Speaker 1: was ninety miles so I had to drive there to
Speaker 1: and from so that was a good hour and a
Speaker 1: half to two hour drive there and back, and I had
Speaker 1: to do that every day. So I listened to a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. But then since December of last year,
Speaker 1: actually September of last year, I started working closer to home,
Speaker 1: so I haven't really been going anywhere. And then since December,
Speaker 1: I've pretty much been working from home, so I haven't
Speaker 1: really been driving anywhere. So I don't get to listen
Speaker 1: to podcasts much anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I do.
Speaker 1: I said, I do my own and that's about the
Speaker 1: only time I get to do podcast stuff is when
Speaker 1: I'm doing my own podcast. I don't get the free
Speaker 1: time just to go out and listen to stuff anymore.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it does take up a lot of time.
Speaker 2: I mean, I like we, you know, before we started recording,
Speaker 2: you're talking about how many episodes and stuff like I do.
Speaker 2: I record once a week, and I still feel like
Speaker 2: it's all I do is you know, research, editing, recording,
Speaker 2: and that's just one episode a week.
Speaker 1: Do you ever have guests on your show?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, you know, ton all the time. It's about
Speaker 2: half and half. So I'll do I'll research a certain topic,
Speaker 2: you know, and we'll do it, and I'll bring on
Speaker 2: you know, I get a couple other friends that have
Speaker 2: podcasts and I'll I'll usually bring one of them on
Speaker 2: and then you know, if I'm not doing that, I'll
Speaker 2: have a guest on, so.
Speaker 1: So yeah, for me, I literally just have guests, so
Speaker 1: I'm always it works out easier for me because I
Speaker 1: don't have to do a whole lot of research to anything.
Speaker 1: I just don't. The guests come on and talk about
Speaker 1: whatever it is they want to talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a lot. It is a lot easier
Speaker 2: when I have a guest on. I can definitely have
Speaker 2: more time to do research. But I mean, I'd like
Speaker 2: to get into all this stuff. There's some crazy shit
Speaker 2: we allowed to swear on here.
Speaker 1: I do not edit anything else, so whatever you say.
Speaker 2: Is good, all right. Yeah, So, I mean there's a
Speaker 2: lot of really cool, you know, ship out there that
Speaker 2: it's just I find that I really believe that behind
Speaker 2: every you know, myth or legend or story or whatever
Speaker 2: there is, you know something of the truth and that
Speaker 2: you can dig into history and find you know, that
Speaker 2: kernel of whatever it is. So I like doing that.
Speaker 2: I like seeing what's out there. But I also like,
Speaker 2: you know, not everything that people talk about is true.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of it is just crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: So it is you know, it's nice to really get
Speaker 2: in there, dig in and find out for yourself.
Speaker 1: I like to hear about stuff, and I do some
Speaker 1: research here and there, but like, I don't actually have
Speaker 1: the opportunities to do as much as I want, just because,
Speaker 1: like we talk about, I have full time job, married,
Speaker 1: early children. There's just not enough time, right, So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things I would like to do, Like
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of stuff, and I haven't mentioned this on
Speaker 1: air before, so I guess for anyone listening, I'm looking
Speaker 1: into doing actual, physical, real life investigations on certain cryptid
Speaker 1: activity within my driving distances. Right, But I've got a
Speaker 1: couple of people lined up that were actually going to
Speaker 1: film it, So it's not just me going to go
Speaker 1: out there in the woods and hopefully get attacked by
Speaker 1: a bigfoot, but or at least try and document me
Speaker 1: being attacked by a bigfoot. Right. I might not live,
Speaker 1: but will be least famous for the guy that caught
Speaker 1: bigfoot killing him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually went on my first at investigation. I
Speaker 2: guess you could call it with a paranormal group kind
Speaker 2: of for the show, but not really like I didn't,
Speaker 2: I didn't record. I guess I did record it, but
Speaker 2: I don't really know if I'm gonna put it out
Speaker 2: as an episode itself, but I went to I was
Speaker 2: invited to a state park here in Vermont, Jamaica State
Speaker 2: Park kind of put on like a ghost story night,
Speaker 2: and I had a paranormal team come with me and they,
Speaker 2: you know, we did an investigation at the end and
Speaker 2: kind of found some interesting stuff, some pretty creepy things,
Speaker 2: but it was fun.
Speaker 1: I've only been on a couple of different investigations for
Speaker 1: paranormal stuff, and that was not really anything that I
Speaker 1: thought was extravagant. And that was probably fifteen plus years ago.
Speaker 1: When we were younger and dumb. We used to go
Speaker 1: to these haunted quote unquote cemetery, haunted whatever locations, and
Speaker 1: obviously everyone's dumbe when you're a teenager. I think cemeteries
Speaker 1: are haunted. But we did stuff like that before there
Speaker 1: were shows like ghost Hunters or like this was back
Speaker 1: in like oh yeah, the year two thousand, two thousand
Speaker 1: and one, when I was still in high school. I
Speaker 1: was like, we didn't have that shit on TV, right,
Speaker 1: So now that is I grew up doing that stuff
Speaker 1: with my friends. But other than that, I've never been
Speaker 1: out with anyone that's really other than the one or
Speaker 1: once or twice before in the winter the last fifteen
Speaker 1: years with people that are supposed to be ghost hunters, right,
Speaker 1: But I've never been on a cryptied hunt, so trying
Speaker 1: to at least put that little notch under my belt.
Speaker 1: I don't think anything will happen, but you never know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never been on a cryptied hunt either, but
Speaker 2: I uh, you know, I do a lot of deer hunting,
Speaker 2: and in twenty seventeen it was opening day. I didn't
Speaker 2: see anything, but I'm pretty sure that whatever was up there,
Speaker 2: it was definitely like a sas squatch of so, you know,
Speaker 2: I think it was a juvenile and then you know
Speaker 2: a parent or you know, an older one behind it
Speaker 2: somewhere kind of drew my attention away from from the
Speaker 2: younger one. It was. It was pretty nerve wracking.
Speaker 1: I mean, were you like on the tree stand or something.
Speaker 2: No, I was. I was walking, you know, I was
Speaker 2: walking to the hunting location. So my grandparents, my family,
Speaker 2: they own a bunch of land on on this mountain,
Speaker 2: you know, it's called Mount e From. It's fairly you know,
Speaker 2: it's not huge, it's about four thousand feet. But I
Speaker 2: was going up the mountain to my usual spot. There's
Speaker 2: this Class four road that goes up the middle to
Speaker 2: the summit. You know, we walk up this road. Uh,
Speaker 2: we do a lot of maple sugaring up there, so
Speaker 2: this road is like we walk on all the time.
Speaker 2: And I was walking up this road and the only
Speaker 2: other hunter that ever that I've ever seen up there,
Speaker 2: like this is my grandparents' land. This is the only
Speaker 2: other guy that hunts this location. He was coming down
Speaker 2: out of the woods and he looked really I could
Speaker 2: tell something that you know, spooked him. He looked spooked.
Speaker 2: So I asked him. I was like, what's going on,
Speaker 2: how's the hunting. He was like, oh, man, I was
Speaker 2: sitting behind this raw and and this bobcat came out
Speaker 2: of nowhere and jumped over the top of me and
Speaker 2: went running off in the woods. And he's like it
Speaker 2: scared me, and you know, I'm just I'm just leaving now.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, wow, that's weird. I didn't
Speaker 2: really think anything of it at the time, and I
Speaker 2: kept so I kept going up to hill and this
Speaker 2: was then he had just come down the hill, so
Speaker 2: he must have been up there when all this, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of started off. So I was going up to
Speaker 2: hill and I started to hear what sounded like a turkey,
Speaker 2: or you know, it sounded like a person trying to
Speaker 2: sound like a turkey, so it didn't sound exactly like
Speaker 2: a turkey. And as I kept going up to hill,
Speaker 2: the turkey sound, the turkey call kind of devolved into
Speaker 2: more of a growl. You know. The closer I got
Speaker 2: to where the sound was coming from, the more it
Speaker 2: changed from a turkey to a growl. And then I
Speaker 2: got pretty much, you know, probably twenty yards from where
Speaker 2: the sound was coming from, and I couldn't see anything
Speaker 2: it was. Whatever it was was in like this thicket
Speaker 2: of really there were like saplings, but there were so
Speaker 2: many saplings it was so thick. I couldn't see through it.
Speaker 2: Whatever it was in, whatever was there was was behind
Speaker 2: this you know, growth of trees, and it had turned
Speaker 2: into a full growl at this point, you know, and
Speaker 2: I had my little my brother in law was with
Speaker 2: me when he was like ten years old or something.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, dude, we got you gotta stop, we
Speaker 2: gotta stop. Whenever, you know, I was really starting to
Speaker 2: get creeped out and we were hunting, so I had
Speaker 2: my rifle, my side arm. I was loaded like, you know,
Speaker 2: something was was to jump out at us. We would
Speaker 2: have I should, you know, I shouldn't have been afraid.
Speaker 2: And it was doing this growling sound. And then from
Speaker 2: behind me I heard four tree knocks. Now I had
Speaker 2: never thought I always thought tree knocks were just something,
Speaker 2: you know, we're a joke. It was something that you'd
Speaker 2: hear on uh, finding Bigfoot or something. You know. I
Speaker 2: didn't actually think that that this was a real phenomenon.
Speaker 2: But I shit you not. This thing was growling at us,
Speaker 2: and then from behind me it was like boom boom,
Speaker 2: boom boom. And at that point, I was just like, okay,
Speaker 2: we gotta leave. We got to get out of here.
Speaker 2: We slowly backed away and left. But I didn't see anything.
Speaker 2: I never saw anything. Right. Could have been another hunter
Speaker 2: just messing around with us, but then there would have
Speaker 2: had been two of them, you know. Obviously the tree
Speaker 2: knocks came from behind us somewhere. And if this was
Speaker 2: another hunter, I mean this guy was he was playing
Speaker 2: fast and loose with his life, Like I could have
Speaker 2: easily just shut you know, pointed and pulled the trigger.
Speaker 2: And I know people who do that kind of shit,
Speaker 2: you know, like sound shooters, they hear something and they
Speaker 2: kind of just shoot at it. Right now, obviously I
Speaker 2: don't do that, but this guy, if this was a
Speaker 2: person like I could have, you know, he would have
Speaker 2: no no idea. He could have just been killed. So
Speaker 2: I do not think it was a person, but it
Speaker 2: could have been in this location. It's on my Graham's property.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is not the only weird thing that
Speaker 2: has happened up there, you know. I've talked to multiple
Speaker 2: family members. Like I said, we do maple sugaring up there.
Speaker 2: People have seen weird things. It seems to only go
Speaker 2: on from like mid to late October to I don't know,
Speaker 2: like March or April, you know, springtime seems to only
Speaker 2: go on in the winter. Really it's strange. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd never seen I'd never actually seen anything.
Speaker 2: I've had cameras up there, never gotten a picture of
Speaker 2: anything weird, you know, So I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it was.
Speaker 1: But the knocking to me, I was going to say,
Speaker 1: I had the similar mindset is I don't really think
Speaker 1: the knocking is them trying to communicate. If they do that.
Speaker 1: I've also thought it was strange like you have. People
Speaker 1: are out looking for these supposedly super smart, elusive creatures
Speaker 1: that no one can ever find or take photos of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go out there and scream and holler and
Speaker 1: bang on trees and expect them to be stupid enough
Speaker 1: just wander on up be like, oh hey, what's up, fellow? Like, right,
Speaker 1: I understand it's like a TV show, but like everyone
Speaker 1: tries to emulate that. Well, I say everyone, but a
Speaker 1: lot of people tries to emulate what they see on television.
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm like, you're not gonna find anything
Speaker 1: by doing that, right, You're just allowing that to know
Speaker 1: exactly where you're at now, so it's going to avoid you, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I have a feeling they can distinguish the
Speaker 1: difference between a person and another whatever a sasquatches.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no doubt. And I mean, like the tree knocks,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think it was trying to communicate
Speaker 2: I honestly, you know, I think it was just trying
Speaker 2: to get my attention away from you know, whatever was
Speaker 2: making the calls. That's what I think it was doing.
Speaker 1: A bit of distraction, Yeah, just trying.
Speaker 2: To distract me. And I think, like the other dude
Speaker 2: that was up there sitting behind this rock, I think
Speaker 2: whatever was up there spooked that bobcat, you know, and
Speaker 2: that's why it went running off and over him and
Speaker 2: scared him and he left. But he must have been
Speaker 2: up there with whatever else was up there, you know.
Speaker 2: I've never actually talked to the guy to see if
Speaker 2: he experienced anything else that day, because, like when I
Speaker 2: say he was spooked, like he was spooked, like I
Speaker 2: could instantly tell on his face, so he might actually
Speaker 2: seen something else. I don't know. I never even thought
Speaker 2: of of reaching out to him until right now.
Speaker 1: Well, if you ever do, yeah, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: let me know what he thinks. But now, far as
Speaker 1: like what you're wanting to talk about here tonight, I
Speaker 1: forget what you said it was, but you mentioned it
Speaker 1: was by the Bridgewater Triangle, and I've had several different
Speaker 1: episodes about that, so it's really there's something strange in
Speaker 1: that whole area. I don't know what it.
Speaker 2: Is, right, Yeah, the Bennington Triangle, the Triangle. Yeah, a
Speaker 2: lot of people, I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 2: haven't heard of the Banging Triangle. And it's like I said,
Speaker 2: you know, I said earlier. It's it's really not that
Speaker 2: far away from the Bridgewater Triangle, right, It's only like
Speaker 2: a couple I don't know, less than it's like one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty miles away or something like that, so
Speaker 2: it is fairly close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't know a whole lot about it.
Speaker 2: So well, I'll get into that.
Speaker 1: So for me, I'm just gonna sit here and listen
Speaker 1: and you can take it over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, perfect. So I'm like, I'm gonna start
Speaker 2: and if there is something that you want to like
Speaker 2: talk about, you know, you can just interrupt me, because
Speaker 2: I did. I wrote out a bunch of notes. There's
Speaker 2: so much to remember. My memory is totally shot. So
Speaker 2: let's see where I can pick this up from. Uh So, yeah, So,
Speaker 2: like I'm from Vermont, A lot of people haven't necessarily,
Speaker 2: I feel like, I, you know, a lot of people
Speaker 2: haven't heard of the Bennington Trigon. I feel like a
Speaker 2: lot of people haven't even heard of Vermont. You know.
Speaker 2: I tell people I'm from Vermont and they ask me
Speaker 2: what state that's in, right, Like it's a city or something,
Speaker 2: But Vermont is, you know, it's a state. It's one
Speaker 2: of the smaller states. It's up in the northeast.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: We were the fourteenth state, so we came in, you know,
Speaker 2: after the We were the first to be added to
Speaker 2: the Union after the you know original thirteen colonies, and
Speaker 2: the land you know that would become Vermont was was
Speaker 2: pretty much wild frontier until around the seventeen thirties. We
Speaker 2: were kind of fought over by New York and New
Speaker 2: Hampshire for a while, and we played a pretty big
Speaker 2: role in the French and Indian War and even bigger
Speaker 2: role in like the Revolutionary War. You know, we have
Speaker 2: Lake Champlain. A lot of people probably heard of champ
Speaker 2: He's kind of like a lake monster, kind of like
Speaker 2: NeSSI he's from Lake Champlain. So this is you know,
Speaker 2: it's a Lake Champlain straddles Vermont in upstate New York
Speaker 2: and also played a pretty big role in you know,
Speaker 2: like the Revolutionary Wars. You know, America had its first
Speaker 2: navy on Lake Champlain. This is where you get figures
Speaker 2: like Ethan Allen or Benedict Arnold, you know, they they
Speaker 2: really came into prominence here in Vermont. H And as
Speaker 2: I guess as a sort of side note, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you might find this interesting or not. But I,
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm a postal driver and along my
Speaker 2: mail route I randomly came across someone who told me
Speaker 2: this story on how Benedict Arnold is actually buried in
Speaker 2: you know this this unnamed graves. You know, there's this
Speaker 2: grave site in the middle of the woods. They say
Speaker 2: Benedict Arnold's buried there, and and funnily enough, it's it's
Speaker 2: on a product plot of land that was owned by
Speaker 2: Ethan allen Son. So I don't we don't have to
Speaker 2: get into the backstory of everything. But you know, they
Speaker 2: fought together in the Revolutionary War, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's the story that they told me. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's true or not. You know, Benedict Arnold supposedly
Speaker 2: buried in England. But I always found that kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: But I doesn't have anything to do with the Bennington Triangle.
Speaker 2: I just some people might find that interesting. Uh. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you know you had mentioned that this area is is
Speaker 2: kind of there's something going on in this area, and
Speaker 2: I would definitely agree. And I think the most notably
Speaker 2: haunted location or just location for paranormal activity in Vermont
Speaker 2: is the Bennington Triangle so much like it's a lot
Speaker 2: like the Bermuda Triangle. Like I said, the Bridgewater Triangle.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a geographical location tucked away in southwest
Speaker 2: corner of Vermont. You know. It gets its name from
Speaker 2: this Vermont folklorist and paranormal author named Joseph Sitrow. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've heard of him or not. He's
Speaker 2: kind of no He writes a lot about New England, really,
Speaker 2: you know, paranormal New England, and he kind of dug
Speaker 2: into the triangles mysteries in the nineteen nineties, so he
Speaker 2: coined the term the Bennington Triangle. Much like other triangles,
Speaker 2: you know, there's no official boundary lines. However, the towns
Speaker 2: of Bennington and Woodford, Shaftesbury, and Somerset kind of make
Speaker 2: up the roughly three hundred square miles of the triangle,
Speaker 2: with the focal point located around a mountain called Gladston
Speaker 2: Burry Mountain. It's kind of like in the middle of it, right,
Speaker 2: So if you research this area, I'll find the same
Speaker 2: old information over and over again. You know, missing people
Speaker 2: in the forties, there's an old ghost town man eating rocks,
Speaker 2: sasquatch attacks from you know, the eighteen hundreds, as well
Speaker 2: as your usual UFO and ghost stories and shadow person
Speaker 2: sightings and things like that. And I find that this,
Speaker 2: you know, if you look up podcasts on the Bennington Triangle,
Speaker 2: it's all they usually only focus on, you know, there
Speaker 2: was this spat of missing people, right. But what I
Speaker 2: find I guess what I find most interesting about the
Speaker 2: Bennington Triangle is that supposedly the four winds meet at
Speaker 2: the mountain summit and the Abenaki it was this Native America,
Speaker 2: you know, this indigenous tribe that lived in the region
Speaker 2: before the settlers came in. They claimed that the mountain
Speaker 2: itself was cursed because of these four winds they met
Speaker 2: at the summit. At least that that was the official
Speaker 2: reason that they stated. Now, the land you know around
Speaker 2: the triangle, so you know, Bennington and Glastonbury and things
Speaker 2: like that. You know, it kind of goes back to
Speaker 2: the late seventeen hundreds when this dude named Benning Wentworth.
Speaker 2: He was a governor of New Hampshire. He visited the
Speaker 2: city of Bennington in seventeen sixty one and he planned
Speaker 2: to write up charters for the mountain region around Bennington.
Speaker 2: You know, and we see in his journal when he
Speaker 2: took this trip, you know, he wanted settlers to move
Speaker 2: out of Bennington and into the land, right And we
Speaker 2: see in his journal that he rode about seeing shadow
Speaker 2: figures in the trees and hearing inhuman screams coming from
Speaker 2: the forest at night. And he, you know, on that
Speaker 2: trip where he provided these charters, he reported all sorts
Speaker 2: of weird stuff happening to him when he was up there. Now,
Speaker 2: the abanaky, like I said, they thought the land was cursed,
Speaker 2: so they warned against the settlers. You know, they told
Speaker 2: him not to go up there if they had to,
Speaker 2: then to stay away from the summit of the mountain,
Speaker 2: which seemed to be the epicenter for you know, the
Speaker 2: mountain's powers. It said that they would only enter the
Speaker 2: woods of Glastonbury to enter their dead. Other than that
Speaker 2: they would stay away from the mountain. So white settlers
Speaker 2: begin arriving in seventeen ninety one. And I'm gonna try
Speaker 2: to blow through this as quickly as possible. It's kind
Speaker 2: of boring, it's just the history of the triangle, but
Speaker 2: it definitely I think plays a big role in you know,
Speaker 2: what could be going on up there. So settlers arrived
Speaker 2: in seventeen ninety one. By eighteen ten there were seventy
Speaker 2: six residents. By the eighteen forties, several families had left,
Speaker 2: leaving only fifty residents. And it wasn't until after the
Speaker 2: Civil War that Gladstonbury saw boom in population. So Bennington
Speaker 2: had become quite wealthy, and due to the boom and industry,
Speaker 2: you know, Gladstonbury saw growth as well. Took several decades,
Speaker 2: but proper villages were constructed, one called Faysville and the
Speaker 2: other called South Glastonbury. So by the eighteen seventies, the
Speaker 2: towns on Glastonbury Mountain, mostly South Gladstonbury, were very successful
Speaker 2: thanks to the vast amounts of timber that surrounded the village.
Speaker 2: So they became charcoal producers and they cut down, you know,
Speaker 2: they would cut down all these trees. They would create
Speaker 2: charcoal which was used to power the iron mills upstate
Speaker 2: New York. So eighteen seventy saw the construction of two mills,
Speaker 2: one in each village, as well as twelve kilns in
Speaker 2: South Gladstonbury. And by eighteen seventy three a railway was finished,
Speaker 2: making transport between Gladstonbury and Bennington much easier. This is
Speaker 2: where we get our first example of something weird going on.
Speaker 2: So in eighteen ninety two, after the majority of the
Speaker 2: timber had been cut from the mountain, and like I said,
Speaker 2: I think that plays a pretty key role in unleashing
Speaker 2: whatever whatever was was, you know, laying semi dormant, I
Speaker 2: guess you could say at the time. Anyway, there was
Speaker 2: one mill worker, a man named Henry McDowell, who would
Speaker 2: end up bashing another worker in the head with a rock,
Speaker 2: crushing his skull and killing him and instantly. And when
Speaker 2: asked why he did it, he would tell authorities that
Speaker 2: the voices from the forest told him to do it.
Speaker 2: And you know, he went on the run. He was
Speaker 2: caught in Connecticut and that's where he admitted to the murder.
Speaker 2: Henry McDowell. He would end up escaping from the prison
Speaker 2: asylum he was placed in. It would never be seen again.
Speaker 2: So back in Faysville and South Glastonbury, their lucrative charcoal
Speaker 2: business kind of came to an end around eighteen eighty nine,
Speaker 2: you know, after they had pretty much cut all the
Speaker 2: trees from the mountain. Right railroad operations you know, kind
Speaker 2: of ceased there was no one to transport this lumber.
Speaker 2: You know, they kind of just their entire economy just crashed.
Speaker 2: And they would transform this charcoal business into a resort.
Speaker 2: So they would turn their bunk house into a grand
Speaker 2: hotel and their general store into a casino. They would
Speaker 2: rebuild the train and do an electric tram. But they
Speaker 2: used to carry people from Bennington, you know, up the
Speaker 2: mountain side to Gladsonbury or South Gladsonbury and all this
Speaker 2: seemed like a great idea, right the town was prosperous again,
Speaker 2: but it didn't last long. Glastonbury experienced a single year
Speaker 2: of operation before the following spring, when the snow began
Speaker 2: to melt and the rains fell. The infrastructure that supported
Speaker 2: Glastonbury was literally washed down the mountain in an epic flood,
Speaker 2: obviously thanks to all the trees that they cut down.
Speaker 2: You know, these trees they hold the soil together. There
Speaker 2: was nothing to hold the soil and they kind of
Speaker 2: just lost everything. Uh. Now that's the basic history of
Speaker 2: the town. It's now ghost town. You can go up there.
Speaker 2: There's all these foundations and you know, there's no buildings
Speaker 2: left now, but there's there's these foundations. People go up there.
Speaker 2: You know, you can see videos on YouTube and stuff.
Speaker 2: It is a fairly decent hike. If you are in
Speaker 2: the area or you're thinking about going to the area,
Speaker 2: it's pretty decent hike just to get up there. It's
Speaker 2: like three miles or something like that. But if you
Speaker 2: are a thing you're going up there, I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess I would kind of recommend it. It might be exciting,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's the basic history. Like I said, in
Speaker 2: the nineteen forties, five people went missing in a five
Speaker 2: year spand and this is what gets the most attention
Speaker 2: when you talk about the Bennington Triangle. But I don't,
Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting, but it's definitely not the most
Speaker 2: interesting thing I think. So there's estimate.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask a question, yep. The five people
Speaker 1: that were missing, were they five to like, were any
Speaker 1: of them together or were they all just random people
Speaker 1: that came up missing? And were they all men women mixtures.
Speaker 2: I'll get into it, but no, they weren't together. But
Speaker 2: it's very weird. It's almost like I don't like talking
Speaker 2: about you know, I'm a paranormal guy, right, I like
Speaker 2: weird things, So I don't like talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: the serial killer theory, right, but it's almost it's very strange.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll lay out the years and things and
Speaker 2: you'll notice, like something funky's going on here, Like there's
Speaker 2: a reason why people focus on this. David Palides Polites
Speaker 2: has he's included this in his his Eastern Bug, you know,
Speaker 2: Missing four and one, the Eastern Book. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: there's estimates that up to forty people have gone missing
Speaker 2: within the triangle over the course of all these years.
Speaker 2: And before these five people went missing, there were two
Speaker 2: others that were also kind of strange disappearances as well
Speaker 2: as deaths that occurred in the area that don't get
Speaker 2: as much attention. One was in nineteen forty two and
Speaker 2: the other was in nineteen forty three, so they're kind
Speaker 2: of back to back, you know, you'll, I'll get into
Speaker 2: the five now. So between nineteen forty five and nineteen fifty,
Speaker 2: you know, these these five people really gained notoriety. And
Speaker 2: the first one is a man named Midy Rivers and
Speaker 2: he was a hunter. You know, he's a hunting guide,
Speaker 2: a local hunting guide in this place called Brickford Hollow.
Speaker 2: He was leading a group of hunters in Brickford Hollow,
Speaker 2: which I think is also called Hell's Hollow. It got
Speaker 2: the nickname Hell's Hollow. I'm not exactly sure why, but
Speaker 2: it definitely doesn't sound very very pleasant.
Speaker 1: I felt like a lot of those places were given
Speaker 1: the names of devils and hells and everything else to
Speaker 1: make them sounds scary to white settlers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that very well could be the reason.
Speaker 2: I like, I don't know, but yeah, many rivers he
Speaker 2: would just vanish without a trace. He was with hunters, right,
Speaker 2: He kind of went ahead of them to prepare the camp,
Speaker 2: and he disappeared between leaving the hunters the group of hunters,
Speaker 2: so I guess this guy was with the group. He
Speaker 2: appeared between leaving those hunters and the camp in between
Speaker 2: that point. At some point he disappeared, and that was
Speaker 2: on November twelfth, nineteen forty five, and he just I guess,
Speaker 2: kind of just keep this in the back of your head.
Speaker 2: He was wearing a red and black jacket. Now, they
Speaker 2: never found anything of him. There's reports that they found
Speaker 2: a single bullet that had not been shot, like it
Speaker 2: had just fallen out of his pocket and it was
Speaker 2: kind of like on the edge of a very shallow stream,
Speaker 2: like a creek, not a river or anything like. He
Speaker 2: couldn't have drowned or been swept down river, right, It's
Speaker 2: just this very very shallow creek. And the next one
Speaker 2: to go missing was Paula Weldon, and she's probably the
Speaker 2: most popular one. You know, she was very wealthier parent.
Speaker 2: You know, her dad owned some sort of company and
Speaker 2: he put a lot of money into finding her. And
Speaker 2: she's actually the reason why the Vermont State Police, you know,
Speaker 2: was started. And she went missing on December one, nineteen
Speaker 2: forty six, you know, about a year later. And she
Speaker 2: hitchhiked from I believe it was Southern Vermont College. You know,
Speaker 2: this was a it's not open anymore and it's got
Speaker 2: its own paranormal issues going on there, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's not too far away. It's in Bennington. And she
Speaker 2: hitchhiked from the college to Brickford Hollow and she was
Speaker 2: wearing a red jacket and there's some evidence that she
Speaker 2: might have gone into a car. Now keep that in
Speaker 2: mind to the end of this when I'm going to
Speaker 2: get into something that I've recently uncovered that's very very strange.
Speaker 2: The third person to go missing was James Tedford. He
Speaker 2: was a World War One vet. He practically went missing
Speaker 2: on a bus. No one ever saw him get off,
Speaker 2: No one ever saw you know, he never went so
Speaker 2: he got on the bus, no one ever saw him
Speaker 2: god get off the bus. He never made it to
Speaker 2: his destination. So they say, you know, he just disappeared
Speaker 2: from the bus, right And he went missing on December first,
Speaker 2: nineteen forty nine, so three years to the day after
Speaker 2: PAULA Weldon went missing. Some people say that he was
Speaker 2: seen talking with somebody before he went missing, but you know,
Speaker 2: people just say that there's no evidence to support that
Speaker 2: he actually did. The next person, this would be the
Speaker 2: fourth one, was a little boy named Paul Jepsum and
Speaker 2: he went missing on October twelfth, nineteen fifty. He was
Speaker 2: wearing a red sweater. Bloodhounds tracked you know, his his
Speaker 2: trail is sent to a road that was near the
Speaker 2: mountain near Glastonbury, and his parents reported that he had
Speaker 2: had and urge to go to the mountain, you know,
Speaker 2: in the weeks leading up to his disappearance. Now, the
Speaker 2: last one to go missing within this timeframe was free
Speaker 2: to Langer. She missing like two weeks later on October
Speaker 2: twenty eighth, nineteen fifty. She was wearing a red and
Speaker 2: white woolen shirt. And out of the five that went
Speaker 2: missing that we just talked about, she was the only
Speaker 2: one that was ever found. Now. She was found seven
Speaker 2: miles away or uh three and a half miles away,
Speaker 2: seven months later, right after the snow had melted and
Speaker 2: in the springtime, and they attributed her death to an
Speaker 2: accidental drowning. She was found, you know, face up at
Speaker 2: the edge of Summerset Reservoir in a in like with
Speaker 2: the missing four one one stuff. You know, she was
Speaker 2: found in a location that had been served several times previously,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't until the springtime when they found her. Right,
Speaker 2: let's see here. So the two that I had mentioned
Speaker 2: briefly before these major, you know, occurrences was a boy
Speaker 2: named Melvin Hills who went missing in nineteen forty two
Speaker 2: from the Bennington area. He was never found. They don't
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if this has anything to
Speaker 2: do with a triangle or if he just went missing
Speaker 2: somewhere else. I don't know, but he went missing and
Speaker 2: was never found. And on November eleventh, nineteen forty three,
Speaker 2: Carl Herrick was hunting with a cousin in the triangle.
Speaker 2: They ended up separating, and when Carl didn't return that night,
Speaker 2: his cousin went for help. Now, Carl was found three
Speaker 2: days later. His rifle was one hundred feet away, you know,
Speaker 2: from him, and he had been squeezed to death right
Speaker 2: his rib cage, His ribs had punctured his lungs, you know,
Speaker 2: due to the immense pressure and force, kind of like
Speaker 2: someone gave him a giant bear hug, right, and that
Speaker 2: is how he died. Well, I guess a lot of
Speaker 2: people attribute that to sasquatch or something.
Speaker 1: Right, it sounds like something I was getting ready to say,
Speaker 1: like a bear hug. Now, there are bears in that area.
Speaker 1: But if something were to kill him, like a bear,
Speaker 1: wasn't the bear have eaten him? Uh?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, we do a black bear in the area.
Speaker 1: It's just weird. If a bear would have killed him,
Speaker 1: they didn't.
Speaker 2: Do anything right, Like if he was attacked by an animal,
Speaker 2: they would have known. Like, if you're gonna get attacked
Speaker 2: by a bear and then someone finds your body, they're
Speaker 2: obviously gonna know you were attacked by an animal, like it.
Speaker 2: Being attacked by an animal is not pretty you know,
Speaker 2: there's blood, there's clothings ripped up, you know, you got
Speaker 2: scratch smarks everywhere. There was none of that. It was
Speaker 2: just his lungs were punctured and that was it. Nothing
Speaker 2: had touched him in the three days or however, many
Speaker 2: days after his death, nothing had touched him. It was
Speaker 2: just his punctured lungs and you know, he had been
Speaker 2: squeezed to death. And his rifle was you know, one
Speaker 2: hundred feet away or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just strange. Now, I know you I don't think
Speaker 1: you've gotten into this far, but you mentioned the David
Speaker 1: Palidi's scene has got me thinking. I remember specifically on
Speaker 1: the video like the series that he did. I think
Speaker 1: it was the second one, that one was called the
Speaker 1: Hunted Yep, the old guy that was hunting that ended
Speaker 1: up disappearing. Is that one of the people from that area?
Speaker 2: No, but it's not that far away either, I mean, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: Bennington is right on the border of kind of that area.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe like an hour and a half drive.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's not in that area, but it isn't
Speaker 2: It isn't that that far away?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I just was kind of curious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, same general area, but not in the
Speaker 2: triangle or the same state. Okay, yeah, uh so yeah, anyways,
Speaker 2: those are the missing people. Those are the you know,
Speaker 2: when you talk about the triangle, that's what people mainly
Speaker 2: talk about. But that's not necessarily what grabbed my attention.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: What really grabbed my attention, And this is where it
Speaker 2: starts to get This is where I kind of go
Speaker 2: off the rails and I got into my own research
Speaker 2: on a bunch of stuff. So hear me out, let
Speaker 2: me know what you think, Like this is gonna get
Speaker 2: kind of weird, all right. So what really grabbed my
Speaker 2: interest about the triangle is the fact that the local
Speaker 2: Abhanaki believed they're creator God lived within this mountain, you know,
Speaker 2: Mount Glastonbury. Uh So, as I looked into this topic,
Speaker 2: I do deep, you know, down a rabbit hole obviously,
Speaker 2: Like there's so much to to look through that I
Speaker 2: obviously haven't looked through at all. There's just too much,
Speaker 2: too much information, and there's a lot of information that
Speaker 2: I can access. You know, I've tried. I'm not Native
Speaker 2: American myself, I don't have Native American blood in me.
Speaker 2: I've reached out to our local tribes. Uh, but they
Speaker 2: don't want, you know, anything to do with this. So
Speaker 2: there there's I have not been able to I just
Speaker 2: want to. I want to make sure that's out there.
Speaker 2: I've not talked to any you know, tribal leaders about
Speaker 2: any of this or gotten their opinion. I've just read
Speaker 2: what I could from books on the subject, as well
Speaker 2: as you know, articles online and things like that. So yeah,
Speaker 2: So as I looked into this, I dove down a
Speaker 2: huge rabbit hole that it kind of included you know,
Speaker 2: primordial beings as well as a concept known as chaotic waters,
Speaker 2: which which nearly every major religion I looked into, including
Speaker 2: the majority, if not all, of the First Nations and
Speaker 2: Native American beliefs you know, talk about it. It's very strange.
Speaker 2: Like I said, every and not just the Native American
Speaker 2: you know and First Nation tribes. I'm talking about every religion.
Speaker 2: So every religion I looked into spoke about this mysterious
Speaker 2: cosmic substance I will refer to as chaotic water. You know,
Speaker 2: it's not always referred to as that, but a lot
Speaker 2: of these religions talk about it, you know, they call
Speaker 2: it chaotic water. So this chaotic water, it seems to
Speaker 2: be some sort of portal or doorway where those primordial
Speaker 2: beings and particularly the gods or beings of extraordinary power
Speaker 2: are able to literally pull not only other beings from,
Speaker 2: but also places and things. Right, So I picture I
Speaker 2: picture this as as like, uh, the place and stranger
Speaker 2: things where Eleven goes when she's kind of like mentally searching.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like dark and she's like walking on
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit of water. I kind of
Speaker 2: picture it something like that. We don't really have a
Speaker 2: clear uniform description of this place, and ancient cultures had
Speaker 2: different names for it, you know, like the Samerians and
Speaker 2: the Babylonians knew it as Absu. The ancient Egyptians called
Speaker 2: it the New. Ancient Hindus called it the ast the
Speaker 2: Yazidis knew it as the Durr or the white Pearl.
Speaker 2: Zoroastrians called it the Vruska. Abrahamic religions, you know, like
Speaker 2: like Christianity and Judaism, and you know, they they refer
Speaker 2: to it as the tay Home. So it's even in
Speaker 2: you know, the Bible, they talk about it. In the Bible,
Speaker 2: they refer to it as the Tailome. You know, I
Speaker 2: believe the quote from the Bible is let there be
Speaker 2: a firm firmament in the midst of the waters, and
Speaker 2: let it and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Speaker 2: And that's Genesis.
Speaker 1: You know. Six.
Speaker 2: I'm not a I'm not really big up on the
Speaker 2: Bible myself, but I have talked to Gary Wayne about this.
Speaker 2: I've had him on my show and I kind of
Speaker 2: I asked him of all about this stuff, and I think,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of what he says plays a
Speaker 2: role in what I'm gonna get into.
Speaker 1: Really, I haven't actually talked to him. He's been someone
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to reach too, but I never have.
Speaker 1: I just kind of I just go with whoever reachs
Speaker 1: out with me. That's how I do the episode. I don't, yeah, manes,
Speaker 1: I don't hunt too many people. Now.
Speaker 2: He's an interesting man. I mean, he's got he's a
Speaker 2: wealth of knowledge, that's for sure. Likes you could ask
Speaker 2: him pretty much anything that deals with not even the Bible,
Speaker 2: just like ancient gods and beings, and he's he knows
Speaker 2: about him. So like, like I asked Gary Wayne about this,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, I I kind of had this
Speaker 2: theory that the tay Home was kind of like a
Speaker 2: primordial being in itself. However, I couldn't I couldn't get
Speaker 2: him to agree to this, you know, but he kind
Speaker 2: of sold me on the idea that and and maybe
Speaker 2: it talks about this in the Bible and I just
Speaker 2: wasn't picking it up. But he kind of sold me
Speaker 2: on this idea that there was, you know, a whole
Speaker 2: another world before this world, and you know, God just totally.
Speaker 2: They often talk about the flood being the reset, right,
Speaker 2: but I'm talking we're talking about a flood before the flood,
Speaker 2: like a total flood that just knocked out everything. That's
Speaker 2: kind of what he explained explained it as. However, I
Speaker 2: still kind of feel like the Tayhome is almost a
Speaker 2: primordial being in itself. But yeah, that doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 2: anything to do with with the Bennington Triangle. But uh,
Speaker 2: but like I said, I mean a lot of these
Speaker 2: major religions talk about this this chaotic water. Even like
Speaker 2: North Norse mythology is somewhat of an outliers. There's no
Speaker 2: like official chaotic water. However, their primordial god was seemingly
Speaker 2: borne from the melting waters where Musselheim and Joltenheim met,
Speaker 2: you know, so like the fires of of of Mossolheim
Speaker 2: kind of melted the ice from from Jotenheim and from
Speaker 2: that their god, you know, their their their primordial uh
Speaker 2: creator god was born. And that's just a handful of
Speaker 2: names that uh from major religions both historic and modern,
Speaker 2: that include you know, cosmic water in their historical makeup.
Speaker 2: So there's also you know, kind of this idea that
Speaker 2: within these primordial waters, before creation had even taken place,
Speaker 2: that there's still existed gods. You know, I kind of
Speaker 2: mentioned it before, known as primordials, and these are the
Speaker 2: gods that that these would be like first generation gods.
Speaker 2: Uh So, these primordial gods are the creators of all
Speaker 2: other gods, right, they play a role. It's often is
Speaker 2: that my computer doing that?
Speaker 1: What are you hearing?
Speaker 2: Sorry? I didn't I didn't know if you heard that
Speaker 2: or not. It keeps beeping. I don't know how to turn.
Speaker 1: It off though, I don't hear anything all right, sorry?
Speaker 2: Uh so, yeah, So, like I'm not talking about gods
Speaker 2: like Zeus or Thor or Nubis or Thronos or the Titans,
Speaker 2: like I don't know how how you know how big
Speaker 2: you are into like Nephelum, talk and things like that.
Speaker 2: But this is kind of going down those lines. You know,
Speaker 2: when you think of all these these gods and all
Speaker 2: these you know, polytheistic religions and mythologies of you you
Speaker 2: kind of think you have to think of them in
Speaker 2: terms of they're all kind of their own nephelum almost right.
Speaker 2: This is kind of what Gary Wayne talks about. So
Speaker 2: it's kind of the way that I took it as
Speaker 2: So these primordial gods, they're not they would be you know,
Speaker 2: first generation, not you know, not like Zeus or Thor
Speaker 2: or the ones that I had just mentioned. I'm talking
Speaker 2: more about like gods like raw or Gaya or Chaos Tartaris.
Speaker 2: A lot of Native American and First Nation tribes talked
Speaker 2: about the Great Spirit. You know, there's there's just too
Speaker 2: many dimensions. There's there's so many now, like I said,
Speaker 2: or I don't know if I said this or not,
Speaker 2: but this is this is really just a theory and
Speaker 2: a theory that I'm continuously working on. But from what
Speaker 2: I've gathered from talking with people like Gary Wayne and
Speaker 2: digging into topics like uh, immortal beings like the Fay,
Speaker 2: like the Tuatha day or the the noon Hind. I
Speaker 2: think that it plays a role within the triangle. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so I kind of dove into all this this god talk,
Speaker 2: you know, after I had read about this Abanaki creator
Speaker 2: god and this god's name was Tallbaldak or that that's
Speaker 2: what we would know him as. Like I said, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not an indigenous tribe member, so I I just
Speaker 2: want to I really want to point that out. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know exactly what I'm talking about because
Speaker 2: I'm not a tribal member, so but what I do.
Speaker 2: But what I do know is that tallball Dac is
Speaker 2: a creator god that's unique to the Abanaki, and the Abnaki,
Speaker 2: you know, is one of the tribe that make up
Speaker 2: the Wabanaki Confederacy and is considered, you know, one of
Speaker 2: these primordials who existed within the chaotic waters, which is
Speaker 2: described in Abinaki lore as an empty, colorless plane. So
Speaker 2: the Wabanaki Confederacy, there's five tribes. I think I listed
Speaker 2: them off further down the line, but the Abnaki is
Speaker 2: one of those tribes and they kind of make up
Speaker 2: the you know Native American tribes in Vermont, New Hampshire,
Speaker 2: Maine and up into Canada and throughout those tribes. Tabaldac
Speaker 2: is really only a creator god to the the Abanaki.
Speaker 2: And like I said, they say he lives on this mountain,
Speaker 2: this Glassonberry Mountain, right. But yeah, you know, like there's
Speaker 2: just so I can't I can't stress enough how much
Speaker 2: there is to read. So I'm really trying to piece
Speaker 2: this together as I go. But I don't believe these
Speaker 2: these primordial beings were actual gods, you know, creating bits
Speaker 2: of the world from nothing and then piecing it together
Speaker 2: like a puzzle. You know. I have pondered that idea,
Speaker 2: but obviously that doesn't it does doesn't make a whole
Speaker 2: lot of sense. I do believe they were powerful beings,
Speaker 2: you know, like the Nephilm or the Fay, who were
Speaker 2: able to do fantastical things like create life from the
Speaker 2: natural world or destroy it completely. You know, these are
Speaker 2: things that you know, the indigenous people like the Abanaki,
Speaker 2: had never seen before. But what attribute you know to
Speaker 2: these beings being odds?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: You know, we have to keep in mind, I don't
Speaker 2: really know how to put this. Uh. So there's the Abenaki, obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, this this Wabanaki Confederacy and these these Native
Speaker 2: American tribes that we know of today. You know, they've
Speaker 2: been around for a while. I don't, I didn't, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how long, but there were tribes
Speaker 2: that came before them, right, and so those are the
Speaker 2: tribes that really interest me. You know, I think a
Speaker 2: lot of the the stories that are passed down through
Speaker 2: you know, these tribes over these years, they originate from
Speaker 2: these these preed tribes. I don't, I don't necessarily know
Speaker 2: what they're called, but you know, these tribes that existed
Speaker 2: before the Abnaki were actually in place, so there their
Speaker 2: stories are essentially stories that have been passed down you know,
Speaker 2: orally for equally you know, thousands and thousands of years,
Speaker 2: kind of like how you know, like the Sphinx and
Speaker 2: the Great Pyramid were probably in Egypt long before the
Speaker 2: Egyptians were there, right, you know, but then the Egyptians
Speaker 2: kind of took took those over claimed them as their own.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like that, you know, but story wise,
Speaker 2: and you know, when it comes to like gods and
Speaker 2: things like that. So the Abenaki who lived around Glastonbury
Speaker 2: during the last few centuries weren't the same indigenous culture
Speaker 2: who lived there thousands of years ago, which is important
Speaker 2: to know, like I said, especially when it comes to
Speaker 2: investigating the origins of Tabal Dak and who he actually was.
Speaker 2: I call it the the Vera Coacha effect. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you know who Vera Coacha was. He was
Speaker 2: a pre inc in h He was pre incing as
Speaker 2: well as an incin creator god who essentially came from
Speaker 2: somewhere else. He looked completely different, you know than any
Speaker 2: other gods or any of the ink and people. You
Speaker 2: know he had He had pale white skin, he had
Speaker 2: a beard. You know, he carried books they didn't have.
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's carvings of him and they looked
Speaker 2: like he's holding books. You know, they they didn't have
Speaker 2: books back then. Uh So, I kind of it's almost
Speaker 2: like the same thing. We don't necessarily need to get
Speaker 2: into to uh fear culture. But the story of Verkroacher
Speaker 2: raises tons of questions for me. You know, is he
Speaker 2: a member of the Macal? Did he come from you know,
Speaker 2: the other world like the Tuatha day or the nonheind?
Speaker 2: Was he a nephelum? You know, these are all questions
Speaker 2: that I think of when I think of of tallball
Speaker 2: back and where he came from. He's already connected to
Speaker 2: the old world god uh, gods that are reported to
Speaker 2: be you know nephlum if you listen, you know, agree
Speaker 2: with people like Gary Wayne. And they're also you know,
Speaker 2: created through this chaotic water concept. So I took a
Speaker 2: closer look at the mountain and well, we're thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: weird things have been going on for hundreds of years.
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like the most important piece of
Speaker 2: lore is the fact that the you know, the Abenaki
Speaker 2: believed the mountain is cursed in the existence of these
Speaker 2: man eating rocks, right. I think I kind of breezed
Speaker 2: over that subject. But you know, there are stories of
Speaker 2: these man eating rocks on the mountain where you you
Speaker 2: you know the Abanaki talked about and you step on
Speaker 2: a rock in a certain place and it'll just eat you. Hole.
Speaker 2: I've always pictured these as as like you know, portals
Speaker 2: to somewhere else, right, m hm, you know. And these
Speaker 2: are you know, legends that go back to the original inhabitants.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And they're the most reliable in my mind. You know,
Speaker 2: these these the Native American stories, I feel like are
Speaker 2: more reliable than you know, the stories told by the
Speaker 2: settlers and things like that. In one of these you know,
Speaker 2: original mysteries from the mountain that it's not necessarily paranormal.
Speaker 2: It's kind of fairly mundane on the surface, but it
Speaker 2: tends to be left out of the triangle lore. And
Speaker 2: those are you know, they're stories of these these mysterious
Speaker 2: stone carns that are on the mountain, you know, the
Speaker 2: mountain top, so about five hundred feet from the summit,
Speaker 2: there are these five stone carns. Now, a stone carn
Speaker 2: is kind of like a bunch of stacked stones, you know. Uh,
Speaker 2: But these specific carns, they're nothing like the stack stones
Speaker 2: that you see by the river. There's something like that,
Speaker 2: you know, rock gardens or whatever people make. These carns
Speaker 2: are are short and wide, but they clearly mark something
Speaker 2: and it's not a trail. A lot of people think that,
Speaker 2: you know, these cars were marking trails of some sort.
Speaker 2: There were no trails to be marked when these were made.
Speaker 2: You know. Like the collective thought of these these stone carns,
Speaker 2: by people much smarter than me, obviously, is that they
Speaker 2: were built for some religious or ritualistic purpose. Now these
Speaker 2: smarter people are members of like you know, New England
Speaker 2: Antiquities Research Association or NERA. Now, these guys have done
Speaker 2: scientific evaluations on the carns and have come to the
Speaker 2: conclusion that they aren't only designed to be ritualistic, but
Speaker 2: they're also very old, you know, potentially thousands of years old,
Speaker 2: so they date back before the Abenaki were there. You know,
Speaker 2: you can't necessarily date stone, but through moss growth and
Speaker 2: some I don't know, crazy scientific method, NERO was able
Speaker 2: to date this collection of five carns. You know, they
Speaker 2: call them ancient. I'm a pretty big carn guy, you know.
Speaker 2: I like there's a lot of weird stone things going
Speaker 2: on here in New England, right I find them pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2: You know where New England is full of mysterious stone structures,
Speaker 2: one of which which I think could play a role
Speaker 2: in what's going on in the Triangle is a place
Speaker 2: near the New Hampshire Sea coast, and it's called America's
Speaker 2: Stonehenge or Mystery Hill. You know, it plays a role,
Speaker 2: at least I think it plays a role in what's
Speaker 2: going on in the triangle. Kind of going back to
Speaker 2: the beginning, now, America's Stonehenge is a collection of stone
Speaker 2: ruins sits on about twelve acres of land in Salem,
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. This is so this is Salem in the
Speaker 2: Hampshire and not Sail in Massachusetts. You know, there's no
Speaker 2: witches up here.
Speaker 1: They burn them all.
Speaker 2: It's not much is known about this place obviously, other
Speaker 2: than it's about four thousand years old. Maybe you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people think that it's a hoax, you know,
Speaker 2: like some farmer made it or something. But a lot
Speaker 2: of people, you know, we have all sorts of stone
Speaker 2: structures here in New England that that people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's a you know, that's a root seller. You know,
Speaker 2: some farmer made that, or blah blah blah. Even I
Speaker 2: don't know what where are you from exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm in Indiana.
Speaker 2: You guys have like stone walls and things out there.
Speaker 1: Not that I'm aware of. There are some places that
Speaker 1: have like old building ruins or whatever. Right there's there's
Speaker 1: a place where I used to work, and we were
Speaker 1: doing in this highway work and you can see the
Speaker 1: old chimney off in the woods. But there was never
Speaker 1: any road or driveway or anything that is in the
Speaker 1: middle of this woods. So we always said, it was
Speaker 1: like an old shiner still or something that they did
Speaker 1: back in the old days. But it was made of
Speaker 1: brick and it was still off in the woods. But
Speaker 1: you can see somewhat of a foundation, so I'm assuming
Speaker 1: at one point there had to have been a house
Speaker 1: or something out there, but it wasn't anything like that.
Speaker 1: And then there are some places that have like little
Speaker 1: underground bunker entrances, but I don't know if anyone's ever
Speaker 1: actually to them.
Speaker 2: That's really cool because we have places like that too.
Speaker 2: They're like they look like you know, they call them
Speaker 2: stone chambers here in New England, and I think there's
Speaker 2: quite a few in Maine too as well. I talked
Speaker 2: with Mark about this a lot. These stone chambers. You know,
Speaker 2: nobody knows who made them or what they're for. You know,
Speaker 2: all people have all sorts of theories on them, but
Speaker 2: they're like, you know, a farmer didn't make this. They're
Speaker 2: not made by a farmer. You know. They have like
Speaker 2: bee hive ceilings. So these slabs of rocks that weigh
Speaker 2: like tons, like I don't even know, thousands and thousands
Speaker 2: of pounds, are like intricate, intricately stacked together to make
Speaker 2: these roofs and they're like rooms underground, right, you crawl
Speaker 2: through a little tiny hole. A lot of them are
Speaker 2: aligned to like the summer or winter solstice, so that
Speaker 2: you know, at the right time, the sun will shine
Speaker 2: through the opening and'll you know, some of these have
Speaker 2: like quartz crystals in the back, and the sun will
Speaker 2: hit the courts and it'll light up the whole room
Speaker 2: like a farmer. Didn't take the time to make that,
Speaker 2: you know, they they had so much shit to worry
Speaker 2: about that they they were not worried about making these
Speaker 2: these crazy ass rooms. But you know, signed you know,
Speaker 2: archaeologists don't necessarily want to get involved at all, which
Speaker 2: is off. You know, it's weird. Some of them are excavated,
Speaker 2: but nobody really ever to any conclusions about them. But
Speaker 2: that's only one thing, right, these stone chambers. We also
Speaker 2: have stone walls. Now, I always I never thought anything
Speaker 2: about stone walls. Growing up in New England. There's stone
Speaker 2: walls everywhere. There's like three hundred thousand miles worth of
Speaker 2: stone walls. And I did you know, Mark does a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff on stone structures, so I did an
Speaker 2: episode with him about this. But there was like a
Speaker 2: time period. It was like a forty year period where
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand miles of stone walls were supposedly built
Speaker 2: to keep in sheep. You know, there was a huge
Speaker 2: sheep boom in New England back in the mid eighteen
Speaker 2: hundreds and supposedly all these stone walls were made to
Speaker 2: keep the sheep in. But I you know, after what
Speaker 2: that's a lot of sheep. Oh yeah, no, there was,
Speaker 2: like there were more sheep than people in New England
Speaker 2: at one point. But you know, after doing the research
Speaker 2: on it, I don't necessarily think I believe that there's
Speaker 2: just two. You know, the like I'm telling you, there's
Speaker 2: stone walls everywhere. Everywhere you look, there's gonna be a
Speaker 2: stone wall. But you know, I think it all kind
Speaker 2: of plays together at one point, you know, it all
Speaker 2: come together. But obviously I don't have the answer for that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, anyway, this place is called Mystery Hill. You know,
Speaker 2: it's called they call it America Stonehenge. It's a collection
Speaker 2: of underground chambers and stone walls and and blah blah
Speaker 2: blah that sit on you know, twelve acres of land
Speaker 2: in New Hampshire. You know, there's there's like standing stones
Speaker 2: that are kind of in a circle around the main complex.
Speaker 2: I guess you could say, which kind of mark important
Speaker 2: days of the year. So it's astronomically aligned. Each each
Speaker 2: standing stone kind of aligns to a different you know,
Speaker 2: time of the year, and it just kind of you know,
Speaker 2: those stones surround these underground chamber and everything. So what
Speaker 2: you know, what could ancient stone ruins hundreds of miles
Speaker 2: away in a completely different state have to do with
Speaker 2: a triangle. Well, I think it all comes down to
Speaker 2: these these stone carns that are on the mountain. So
Speaker 2: I scoured the internet for carns that looked the same
Speaker 2: or similar, right, I wanted to see if I could
Speaker 2: find out who made these specific carns and if they've
Speaker 2: been made anywhere else. And while there are carns and
Speaker 2: standing stones all over the world, like literally there's there's
Speaker 2: you know, people make carns everywhere, right, I really didn't
Speaker 2: find anything that looked the same, you know, they're always different.
Speaker 2: That was until I stumbled across a group, you know,
Speaker 2: an ancient culture called the Red Paint people now the
Speaker 2: Red Paint people, or an ancient you know culture that
Speaker 2: seemed to thrive along the main seacoast at some time
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands zero. You know, not a whole lot
Speaker 2: is known about these people except that they lived between
Speaker 2: two and six thousand years ago. They were avid deep
Speaker 2: sea fishermen, and they buried their dead with red and
Speaker 2: sometimes yellow ochre, which is where you know they get
Speaker 2: their name from. You know, like I said, not much
Speaker 2: is known about these people. Their bones I've pretty much
Speaker 2: dissolved within the acidic soil, leaving behind only the red
Speaker 2: paint in their graves. So that's that, you know, that's
Speaker 2: where they get their name from. Uh. I think I
Speaker 2: think some bones have been found, but they don't. I
Speaker 2: don't believe they've been able to get any DNA markers
Speaker 2: out of them.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: There are two things that caught my attention, and that
Speaker 2: was their advanced knowledge of seafaring and the stone carns
Speaker 2: they left behind, uh, particularly the stone carns at the
Speaker 2: Hurundu Wildlife Refuge in Maine. They're exactly the stain as
Speaker 2: the stone carns on Glassonbury Mountain, you know, which led
Speaker 2: me to believe that these ancient seafaring people could have
Speaker 2: made you know, the stone carns that are on Glassonbury mountains.
Speaker 2: So there's other carns that I know of in this area,
Speaker 2: but they don't look anything like the ones on Glassonbury Mountain.
Speaker 2: And given the age and given the age of these
Speaker 2: Red Paint people and the fact that we really don't
Speaker 2: know anything about them, you know, we don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: where they went, what happened to them, why they died out.
Speaker 2: We don't know anything about these people. Like they could
Speaker 2: have very well have migrated from the coast Inland, right right.
Speaker 2: So now mystery Hill comes into play when we try
Speaker 2: to figure out who the Red Paint people are or were,
Speaker 2: and where they came from. So and U Salem, Salem,
Speaker 2: New Hampshire, you know, isn't isn't far away from that
Speaker 2: far away from Maine, you know, the sea coast in
Speaker 2: Maine where these Red Paint people were said to thrive
Speaker 2: at least said to thrive, you know, thousands of years ago.
Speaker 2: But like I said, a lot of the uh graves
Speaker 2: where these Red Paint people were originally kind of discovered
Speaker 2: have been destroyed. There was no bones left. The only
Speaker 2: thing there is to mark that they were Red paint
Speaker 2: people were the red paint that was left over. So
Speaker 2: most of these these graves were just destroyed when when
Speaker 2: settlers were creating farmland. So this is why we don't
Speaker 2: know a whole lot about them. So I want to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, back at Mystery Hill or America's Stonehenge, on
Speaker 2: a stone within the ruins is an inscription that may
Speaker 2: give insight as to who built America Stonehenge or who
Speaker 2: the red paint people were. Now it's written in Phoenician,
Speaker 2: and it's late uh, and it's dedicated to Ball, you know,
Speaker 2: the the the the ancient god. I'm assuming you've heard
Speaker 2: of Ball before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's I don't want to dive a whole lot
Speaker 1: into it on this show, but like there's a whole
Speaker 1: big thing going on with that right now. Right now,
Speaker 1: there's some other shows that have been diving into Ball.
Speaker 2: Really. Yeah, that's fucking weird.
Speaker 1: Ye, I'll talk to you about it here, all fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's super weird. So yeah, that that inscription is
Speaker 2: that is that you know Mystery Hill. It's in Phoenician. Now,
Speaker 2: the Phoenicians, you know, they were this ancient seafaring race
Speaker 2: of you know people that kind of just like went
Speaker 2: all over the world pretty much. And another clue that's
Speaker 2: found at Mystery Hill. Mystery Hill deals with one of
Speaker 2: the alignment stone. It's the stone known as the Summer
Speaker 2: Sunrise stone. So the specific stone is aligned obviously with
Speaker 2: the summer equinox. And you can trace a straight line
Speaker 2: from this stone through the center of one of the
Speaker 2: triathlons at you know, the actual Stonehenge, and if you
Speaker 2: continue that line, it runs all the way straight through
Speaker 2: to Lebanon or I guess Lebanon, you know, which is
Speaker 2: actually the ancestral home of the Phoenicians. So does this
Speaker 2: actually mean anything, Probably not, but it could. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of these ancient people were really dedicated to
Speaker 2: you know, this archae astrology and things like that. But
Speaker 2: other evidence, you know, crew includes a Phoenician inscription that
Speaker 2: was found in Maine. You know, there there's a lake
Speaker 2: in upstate Vermont, you know, way up north on the
Speaker 2: Canadian border that borders you know, Vermont and Canada. That's
Speaker 2: called memphrom Maygog. You know, that's a very biblical name,
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to you know, from a you
Speaker 2: know the name of the lake comes from a pre
Speaker 2: existing Abenaki word or I guess saying that means where
Speaker 2: there's a big expanse of water. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that has anything to do with anything at all. I
Speaker 2: have no idea, however, just a fact that it has
Speaker 2: maygog in it, you know, and we're talking about Phoenicians
Speaker 2: interests me. Yeah, and how it has to do you know,
Speaker 2: it's a pre existing Abenaki word or name, so it
Speaker 2: was embedded within you know, the the Algonquin speaking family group,
Speaker 2: which is where the Abenaki come from. It's just you know,
Speaker 2: i'd mentioned, you know, these ancient tribes that came before
Speaker 2: the Abanaki and all these other tribes we know of it.
Speaker 2: It can kind of confusing, I guess, but who knows.
Speaker 1: When it comes to like like the Abanathy, I want
Speaker 1: to call them Abernathy. And I don't know why, Like
Speaker 1: I keep thinking that name for some reason. I don't
Speaker 1: even know why. They keep popping in my head every
Speaker 1: time you say it's all I can think is Abernathy.
Speaker 1: But for them, do we know whatever? Like what happened
Speaker 1: with them too? Because I know, like most of the
Speaker 1: indigenous peoples, we've all kind of pushed out of there.
Speaker 1: But were they was there still any remnants of them?
Speaker 2: I mean there's like, yeah, there's there's still like tribe
Speaker 2: members and they have groups and things here, but there's
Speaker 2: no like Abanaki, right right, you know, they kind of
Speaker 2: just like assimilated within you know, the rest of us.
Speaker 1: The area that I live in is Miami Indian is
Speaker 1: what they call themselves. So I'm not trying to say
Speaker 1: the discriminatory word of Indian, but like they call themselves
Speaker 1: the Miami Indians, and they are the tribes that live
Speaker 1: in the area that I live. I live in Miami County,
Speaker 1: which I'm assuming is named after the fact that the
Speaker 1: Miami Indians or preb blunter here. But they're not a
Speaker 1: recognized tribe, which I don't understand how that. I don't
Speaker 1: understand like the politics of any of that of how
Speaker 1: you become a recognized tribe. But forth for here, that's
Speaker 1: what they are. They have their own little area and
Speaker 1: it's not a reservation, but they have their own lands
Speaker 1: where they do some like horse stuff, and they have
Speaker 1: an old school they use for right now, they have
Speaker 1: a haunted house going on, so uh, they raise money
Speaker 1: for things, and they do like certain aspects. So again
Speaker 1: they're they're prevalent through here, and I've actually tried to
Speaker 1: reach out to one of the people that's part of
Speaker 1: the actual he's not an elder, but like he's one
Speaker 1: of the ones that runs the thing. And I never
Speaker 1: gotten a response back about something. But I always feel
Speaker 1: like when it comes to like original indigenous people's areas,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of stories and a lot of
Speaker 1: folklore and legends that we might write off as just
Speaker 1: that stories and folklore, But why do they make that up?
Speaker 1: What influenced that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's where I've always been interested in, is like
Speaker 1: finding out what the actual influence was to why they
Speaker 1: tell the stories that they tell. And for some reason
Speaker 1: there's they don't talk about it. And I understand we're
Speaker 1: not part of the tribe, but I'd always love to
Speaker 1: sit down and with some of them just to listen.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's exactly the you know that I've run into,
Speaker 2: Like nobody wants to talk about this with me. You know,
Speaker 2: I've reached out. I've reached out about several other things
Speaker 2: as well, but they're very at least I've only ever
Speaker 2: reached out to, you know, the Abnaki tribe and they're
Speaker 2: very private. You know, I don't know about other tribes,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure it's the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's the only one I've reached out to,
Speaker 1: is he, like recently where my local one, and I
Speaker 1: haven't heard anything back, So maybe someday.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I do think that
Speaker 2: the stories that they tell are more credible. They have
Speaker 2: a lot of credibility behind them, just because they're so
Speaker 2: old and well, you know, I don't they talk about
Speaker 2: a lot of strange things that I don't think that
Speaker 2: they would have just made up right, definitely witnessed something,
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what this whole, my whole theory
Speaker 2: is based off of. But it goes deeper than that,
Speaker 2: you know, there's it kind of hinges on who came
Speaker 2: before the Abanaki were here, is what I'm really trying
Speaker 2: to get at, you know, And I feel like the
Speaker 2: Phoenicians could have very well have been here before the Abanaki,
Speaker 2: And I'm about to get into why I think that,
Speaker 2: and that, you know, there's a good chance that some
Speaker 2: of them stayed here and they re existed the Abanaki
Speaker 2: and then the Abnaki kind of came in and kind
Speaker 2: of took over from there, you know. Other than you know,
Speaker 2: Lake memphrom Magog or Mystery Hill, you know, other examples
Speaker 2: that I have would be like the stone chambers that
Speaker 2: nobody knows anything about who built these stone chambers. Some
Speaker 2: people think they were Phoenicians, some people think they were
Speaker 2: you know, ancient Celtic chambers. You know, there's all sorts
Speaker 2: of different theories on them, as well as the stone walls.
Speaker 2: And then we have like, you know, the Island Royale
Speaker 2: copper mined their copper mind uh, you know, and I think,
Speaker 2: you know, the Copper Harbor ship is like a it's
Speaker 2: a carving in Lake Superior and Copper Harbor. There's this
Speaker 2: huge chunk of copper that kind of like I don't
Speaker 2: know how it got there. It got there somehow. But
Speaker 2: on this this this chunk of copper, there's a carving
Speaker 2: of what looks like a Phoenician ship. And I know
Speaker 2: that a sixth century BC replica Phoenician ship sailed from
Speaker 2: Tunisia to the Dominican Republic and then the north to
Speaker 2: uh to Florida. So the Phoenicians they could have made
Speaker 2: it this far and the dates they kind of add
Speaker 2: up to these sea people though, so the Phoenicians would
Speaker 2: have been on you know, they would have been very
Speaker 2: near the two thousand year Mark. So some people believe
Speaker 2: these these these red paint people existed up to six
Speaker 2: thousand years ago, but you know, I really have no idea.
Speaker 2: And if that's the case, then it could not have
Speaker 2: been the Phoenicians. But they were also here as as
Speaker 2: early as two thousand years ago, and that definitely fits
Speaker 2: the timeline. So yeah, so, you know, is it possible
Speaker 2: that this mysterious seafaring culture was actually the seafaring culture
Speaker 2: that we know about, you know, the Phoenicians. I think
Speaker 2: it's very possible that it could have been the Phoenicians.
Speaker 2: There's lots of it's strange that there's so many, you know, well,
Speaker 2: I guess there's not a ton, but there is a
Speaker 2: lot of Why is there these Phoenician relics? I guess
Speaker 2: you would call them around here? You know, like the
Speaker 2: Copper Harbor carving or the the ball carving at Mystery
Speaker 2: Hill or this one in Maine. You know who, why
Speaker 2: why would there be Phoenician things here if they they
Speaker 2: weren't here to begin with. I don't think that that
Speaker 2: people are just running around carving Phoenician stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: hundreds of years ago as some sort of hoax. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so this this advanced seafaring culture. It fits into the
Speaker 2: two thousand year period. But they weren't the only highly
Speaker 2: advanced ship They were the highly advanced ship builders, which
Speaker 2: I think plays a role and how they could have
Speaker 2: got here, you know, the prevalent colonizer as well as ambition,
Speaker 2: ambitious merchants. You know, they were the first to use
Speaker 2: iron nails in their ship building, as well as the
Speaker 2: first to sail around Africa from the Red Sea to
Speaker 2: the Mediterranean, you know, setting up colonies and ports of
Speaker 2: trade as you know, as they went. And I think
Speaker 2: it was on this expedition where they kind of you know,
Speaker 2: some of them got lost and sailed to America. So
Speaker 2: there's this theory that you know, Old World, the Old
Speaker 2: World Bronze Age was powered by New World copper and
Speaker 2: it was you know, this need for copper and it's
Speaker 2: incredible value that drove you know, people like the Phoenicians
Speaker 2: to New lands, right, So it would been this search
Speaker 2: for copper that drove them to America. So in three
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty BC, the Greek historian Theopompus wrote of
Speaker 2: a large island west of Gibraltar told to him by
Speaker 2: a Phoenician sailor, you know, was this North America. That
Speaker 2: was one kind of you know, thing that I pulled
Speaker 2: out of of the history books that I thought was
Speaker 2: pretty interesting. But you know, like I said, this is
Speaker 2: all a working theory. So but it does seem to
Speaker 2: fit fairly well in my mind. Uh, you know, science
Speaker 2: will probably never accept the thought that Phoenicians made it
Speaker 2: to North America. I mean, Vikings built a settlement on Newfoundland, right,
Speaker 2: but they refused to believe that they Vikings could have
Speaker 2: made it any farther south. You know, there's tons of
Speaker 2: evidence in Maine or Massachusetts or even you know, even
Speaker 2: South Newfoundland that there were Vikings there, but they still
Speaker 2: refuse to believe that they could have made it any
Speaker 2: further than the tip of Newfoundland. So it's no wonder
Speaker 2: that there's been so much pushback against you know, pre
Speaker 2: Columbian Phoenician contact. So I guess just a recap really quick.
Speaker 2: You know, we have mysterious mountain the center of the
Speaker 2: Bennington Triangle. We have Old World God rumored to live
Speaker 2: on that mountain. We have ritualistic stones stacked near the
Speaker 2: summit of the mountain that are thousands of years old,
Speaker 2: centuries older, than the Abenaki or the original settlers. We
Speaker 2: have an unknown seafaring people who could have come from
Speaker 2: the Old World, possibly Phoenicians or maybe even Celtic. You know,
Speaker 2: it's possible the people migrate from the Sea coast to
Speaker 2: Glassonbury Mountain, as the ritualistic Carns would suggest. Is it
Speaker 2: possible that a godlike entity existed on Mount Glastonbury? Those
Speaker 2: are kind of the questions that I've been pondering. Now,
Speaker 2: like I said before, this is a working theory, so
Speaker 2: I'm constantly doing research on this. There's probably so much
Speaker 2: more information that I simply just can't access at the time.
Speaker 2: But there's another connection between Maine and the Bennington Triangle
Speaker 2: that deals with another godlike creature. So from what I understand,
Speaker 2: the Wabanaki Confederate consists of five tribes, the Malasey, the
Speaker 2: Macaque or the Micmac the Pastege this one's difficult, the
Speaker 2: past and mcquaddie, the panob Scott, than the Abanaki. So
Speaker 2: those are the five tribes of the confederation. And out
Speaker 2: of those five tribes, the panob Scott and then Abanaki
Speaker 2: share very similar beliefs. And it comes to Tabaldac versus
Speaker 2: the Great Spirit. So the majority of the confederation believe
Speaker 2: in the Great Spirit being the Creator God, while the
Speaker 2: Abanaki and the Panobscot, which are from Maine, you know,
Speaker 2: southern Maine, believe in Tabaldak being the Creator God.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But other than believe, you know, believing in Talbaldak, these
Speaker 2: two tribes tell stories of a god preacher named Themola.
Speaker 2: You know, this is the thunderbird like Kaimera, with the
Speaker 2: ability to control the winds, that resides on a you know,
Speaker 2: this mountain. It's the tallest mountain in Maine called Mount Catatan.
Speaker 2: So this this this thunderbird God. You know, it as
Speaker 2: the head of a moose, the body of a man,
Speaker 2: you know, and the wings and claws of an eagle.
Speaker 2: And it's described in the story, you know, in the
Speaker 2: legends as being the pet of tallball deck. It's also
Speaker 2: you know, kind of sounds an awful lot like one
Speaker 2: of the Nephilum that Gary Wayne talks about. You know,
Speaker 2: he suggests that that Nephilum survived the flood and that
Speaker 2: there were different, you know, different tribes of Nephilum that
Speaker 2: looked different right there. You know, there's eagles, there were lions, uh,
Speaker 2: you know rams and and and bulls. You know, these
Speaker 2: these nephilom that kind of looked like you know, eagles
Speaker 2: and rams and things like that, and that they kind
Speaker 2: of kind of spread out throughout the world. There wasn't
Speaker 2: just they didn't just stay within the Holy land. So
Speaker 2: I did, you know, I did some research on the
Speaker 2: one from Japanese Low. This is just a side thing.
Speaker 2: I did some research on the one, and I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure that the one, which are you know, demon like
Speaker 2: giants of Japanese law, I'm pretty sure the one or Nephilum. Right,
Speaker 2: they talk about them having six fingers, like the nephilum.
Speaker 2: You know, you can only kill them if you cut
Speaker 2: off their heads. Now, this is all like when you
Speaker 2: talk about the Nephilm. You talk about how you have
Speaker 2: to cut their heads off, how they had six fingers,
Speaker 2: you know, things like that. So you know, it's just
Speaker 2: another example of how they how they spread throughout the world.
Speaker 2: So you know, when you think in those kind of terms,
Speaker 2: you know, this, this this Pamola being sounds an awful
Speaker 2: lot like one of the nephilum.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Now, if Pamola is a nephilim, what is tallball deck right,
Speaker 2: I guess that's the main question I was kind of
Speaker 2: getting at. Common sense would dictate that tall Ball Deck
Speaker 2: is a nephilum as well. Right, Well, I know, uh,
Speaker 2: I kind of dropped a lot of convoluted details. But
Speaker 2: there's one piece I want to drag back to the forefront,
Speaker 2: and that isn't the inscription found at Mystery Hill in
Speaker 2: the Hampshire. So, like I said on you know, the
Speaker 2: stone at the ruins is a Phoenician inscription and the
Speaker 2: inscription says to ball on behalf of the Canaanites. This
Speaker 2: is dedicated, So you know, was Ball transported to this land,
Speaker 2: did he arrive with the others, did he come later?
Speaker 2: Was he conjured, was something else injured? We'll probably never
Speaker 2: know for sure. But there's one final piece of Mystery
Speaker 2: Hill that I think plays a role and who the
Speaker 2: red paint people could be and what Tallball doc is.
Speaker 2: And this piece is something called the sacrifice sacrificial slab. Now,
Speaker 2: the slab of rock located at the center of the
Speaker 2: complex is relatively human size, as though it was placed
Speaker 2: there to support a body, you know, and that there
Speaker 2: are these these drainage channels carved around the outside to
Speaker 2: allow blood to drain out right, you know, So were
Speaker 2: they sacrificing people at Mystery Hill? You know, if they did,
Speaker 2: the bodies were there, they're long gone now there's you know,
Speaker 2: this was would have been thousands of years ago.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But if they were, you know, what was the point
Speaker 2: of that? Were they making these sacrifices? And Ball's name,
Speaker 2: and if so, to what end? You know? I believe
Speaker 2: that whatever they were pulling from with some sort of
Speaker 2: nephelum like creature. I don't know if it was Ball himself,
Speaker 2: that whoever tall Ball doc is, I think he's some
Speaker 2: sort of old world nephlom that is was you know
Speaker 2: now resides within the Benington Triangle. Uh. You know these
Speaker 2: red paint people. You know, they were worshiping them up
Speaker 2: there at some point. And and now he's just, I
Speaker 2: guess laid dormant until I guess they cut down all
Speaker 2: the trees back in the triangle when they had their
Speaker 2: you know, they were cutting all these trees down to
Speaker 2: to make a charcoal with the kind of woke him up. Maybe,
Speaker 2: I don't know. This is kind of the theory that
Speaker 2: I've been working with. You know, he was putting off
Speaker 2: some sort of energy that was, you know, they were
Speaker 2: hearing inhuman screams and seeing shadow people in the woods
Speaker 2: and the Abanak. He said this land was cursed, you know,
Speaker 2: So he was putting off some sort of paranormal energy
Speaker 2: at some point. But I think he's really putting off
Speaker 2: some some more energy now that you know, he's kind
Speaker 2: of woken up. I guess that's kind of what I
Speaker 2: have on tall Ball Deck. I mean, I tried to
Speaker 2: put it as much as I could into kind of
Speaker 2: like a like a timeline as best as I could,
Speaker 2: but there there was a lot to go there. But
Speaker 2: while I was looking into tall Ball Deck, I came
Speaker 2: across a chemist. Now this is all allegedly, So this
Speaker 2: guy he's dead, he's he's not alive anymore, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to soil his good name, So this is
Speaker 2: all allegedly. However, I came across rumors of a secret
Speaker 2: bryonic lab, so they were doing work in cryonics in
Speaker 2: it was supposedly inside the mountain, inside this mountain called
Speaker 2: Mount Equinox, which is you know, a few miles away
Speaker 2: from the Bennington Triangle. And then this doctor Davidson, he's
Speaker 2: connected to like Oak Ridge labs he's connected to. He
Speaker 2: led a team that was pretty much directly under Oppenheimer
Speaker 2: and developing the nuclear bomb. Like this, this dude was
Speaker 2: in some into some serious top secret work. Uh, and
Speaker 2: I think he could be Now this is all, you know.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to get in trouble for
Speaker 2: saying this, And I don't know if I can get
Speaker 2: in trouble for saying this or not. But he, you know,
Speaker 2: this top secret lab could be behind why those five
Speaker 2: people went missing in the nineteen forties. You know, the
Speaker 2: timelines all at up. Doctor Davidson would have just been
Speaker 2: getting back from Oak Ridge Labs when those first people
Speaker 2: started going missing. He you know, this guy was like
Speaker 2: he definitely had some money. So he bought not eleven
Speaker 2: miles worth of this mountain and he built all these
Speaker 2: like he built like a an old. He wanted to
Speaker 2: make a ski resort on the mountain, right, so he
Speaker 2: started to build a ski lodge. He built a ski lodge.
Speaker 2: And then see if I can find the dude's name.
Speaker 2: I want his full name. Well, let me just start
Speaker 2: from the beginning. I guess this won't take very long.
Speaker 2: I don't I'm still kind of piecing this one definitely together.
Speaker 2: But so you know, earlier I had mentioned those several
Speaker 2: people who had gotten missing within the triangle. Now this
Speaker 2: was just a complete mystery during the nineteen forties and fifties,
Speaker 2: but it's still pretty much a complete mystery today. You know,
Speaker 2: only one of them was ever found, even she was
Speaker 2: found several months after. But the rest of them have
Speaker 2: never been found. Nothing has ever been found of them.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe they're they're they're in some sort of
Speaker 2: crevice up there. But I mean, this is this is Vermont.
Speaker 2: It's not like, you know, this mountain's only four thousand
Speaker 2: feet tall. It's not like a fourteen thousand foot mountain, right,
Speaker 2: There's not a whole lot of places that you can
Speaker 2: hide a body for that long. I feel like, especially
Speaker 2: when when the mountain's been scoured and was scoured, you know,
Speaker 2: not long after these people went missing. So I feel
Speaker 2: like if they went missing on accident, like they fell
Speaker 2: down or hit their head or something right and rolled
Speaker 2: into to I don't know, a hole in the ground,
Speaker 2: someone would have found him right now.
Speaker 1: So it is.
Speaker 2: Still strange that no one has ever found, not even
Speaker 2: one body other than Freedom Langer. But she doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: count because she was found fairly recently after she went missing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, again, So we had Midi Rivers who went
Speaker 2: missing on November twelfth, nineteen forty five, PAULA Weldon December first,
Speaker 2: nineteen forty six, James Tedford December first, nineteen forty nine,
Speaker 2: Paul Jepsum October nineteen fifty, and Freedom Langer October of
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty. So there. You know, like I said earlier,
Speaker 2: I don't like to put a lot of stock in
Speaker 2: this serial killer theory, right. I want to talk about
Speaker 2: like these these man eating stones. You know, did one
Speaker 2: of these people step on a man eating stone and
Speaker 2: like get transported to another realm or something? You know,
Speaker 2: That's the kind of stuff I want to talk about.
Speaker 2: But then I found doctor Davidson and his secret Chronics Lab,
Speaker 2: and I really got to wondering, you know, where these
Speaker 2: people taken by doctor Davidson to be like, you know,
Speaker 2: test subjects. I don't you know, I don't know this
Speaker 2: was This would have been, if everything adds up properly,
Speaker 2: this would have been right around the time when his lab,
Speaker 2: the secret lab, would have been starting off. One thing,
Speaker 2: you know, there's there's really not like there's not a
Speaker 2: whole lot of evidence of what happened to these people.
Speaker 2: One thing that does jump out to me is the
Speaker 2: time of year that the different disappearances took place, you know,
Speaker 2: in the fall, between October and December. What this means,
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's really no specific pattern other than
Speaker 2: the months they took place, But there are some peculiar facts,
Speaker 2: and that is Paula Weldon and James Tedford are believed
Speaker 2: to have gone missing on the same day December first,
Speaker 2: three years apart, and there's a two week period between
Speaker 2: the disappearance with Paul Jepson and FRIEDA. Langer. In October
Speaker 2: of nineteen fifty four of the five individuals were wearing
Speaker 2: a red jacket of some kind. There are several theories
Speaker 2: of what happened to these people, the most obvious of
Speaker 2: which is a serial killer theory, which, like I said,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily took a lot of stock in until
Speaker 2: I found you know, doctor Joseph George Davidson in the
Speaker 2: Secret Chronics Lab. Little background. I always like to get
Speaker 2: into the history of things. So doctor Davidson was an
Speaker 2: incredibly successful chemist, inventor and businessman who would end up
Speaker 2: buying eleven square miles of Mount Equinox in Manchester, Vermont
Speaker 2: to retire on. So. She was born on February seventh,
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety two, and would go on to receive his
Speaker 2: doctorate in chemistry from Columbia University University in nineteen eighteen.
Speaker 2: He would then take his doctorate and put it to
Speaker 2: good use for the military. During World War One. As
Speaker 2: a first lieutenant in the Army, Davidson would help develop
Speaker 2: mustard gas for the front lines. Like I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: this dude was he did some serious military work, and
Speaker 2: I think that it plays a role in you know what.
Speaker 2: I think his military work definitely plays a role in
Speaker 2: this secret lab. So, but this wouldn't be the only
Speaker 2: time that he collaborated with the army. So, in fact,
Speaker 2: doctor Davison would partake in the biggest scientific breakthrough probably ever. Right,
Speaker 2: Doctor Davidson would head Union Carbines contract to produce enriched
Speaker 2: uranium through gaseous diffusion in the K twenty five building
Speaker 2: at oak Ridge Labs under the Manhattan Project. So this
Speaker 2: guy he operated a top secret base, you know, a
Speaker 2: top secret lab out of the topest of top secret orders. Right,
Speaker 2: he wasn't just some grunt pushing switches. You know, this
Speaker 2: guy he was in the know, this guy was in charge.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine how, you know, many connections Doctor
Speaker 2: Davidson would have made in the military industrial complex, you know,
Speaker 2: as team leader of this this diffusion process. And I
Speaker 2: don't think this is the last time Doctor Davidson would
Speaker 2: operate a secret lab. Like I said, so, after the war,
Speaker 2: doctor Davidson would return to Mount Equinox where he would
Speaker 2: begin buying land. You know, he had begun buying land
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty nine. So where does you know this
Speaker 2: mysterious chronics lab come into play? Well, several years ago
Speaker 2: a cryptic Wikipedia entry just appeared on the website, right,
Speaker 2: and this mysterious entry was about a secret cryonics lab. Now,
Speaker 2: this crime chronics deals with the freezing of human bodies
Speaker 2: and the hopes of you know, reviving them during the
Speaker 2: thawing process, you know, in the future. At some point,
Speaker 2: this specific chronics lab was geared towards working with individuals
Speaker 2: who had high IQs. I haven't been able to find
Speaker 2: the original wiki page as it was eventually deleted, but
Speaker 2: essentially they were bordering on eugenics. This was like eugenic stuff, right,
Speaker 2: And while not much is known about it, we do
Speaker 2: know that in the early nineteen sixties this chronics lab
Speaker 2: went bottom up due to some sort of fraud case.
Speaker 2: So even though it's supposedly a secret lab, somehow some
Speaker 2: sort of fraud case was able to to, you know,
Speaker 2: take this whole operation down. I don't know what. I
Speaker 2: don't necessarily know how that works or not, but it
Speaker 2: seems weird. It's you know, it's almost like somebody knew
Speaker 2: about this lab like it and I want to say,
Speaker 2: the military, right, the military knew about this lab and
Speaker 2: maybe something happened, but doctor Davidson pissed them off somehow
Speaker 2: and they kind of cut his funding. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't exactly know. I mean, but once you you know,
Speaker 2: you you operate a secret lab at at oak Ridge Labs,
Speaker 2: you're you know, you could probably operate another secret lab
Speaker 2: wherever the hell you want, pretty much is what I
Speaker 2: get the feeling. You know, oak Ridge is definitely they
Speaker 2: do some crazy shit there. You know, you hear about like,
Speaker 2: you know, they have a super collider in there and
Speaker 2: they're trying to open portals and things, right, I kind
Speaker 2: of get the feeling that doctor Davidson this this is
Speaker 2: just something that I get the feeling. You know that
Speaker 2: doctor Davidson found one of these man eating rocks at
Speaker 2: some point right and told Oakridge Labs about it. You know, this,
Speaker 2: this this inter dimensional portal, told them about it, and
Speaker 2: then you know, that is how they started working on
Speaker 2: these interdimensional portals within oak Ridge. I don't necessarily know
Speaker 2: if that's true or not, but it you know, it's
Speaker 2: awfully strange how you have this, this oak Ridge Lab
Speaker 2: scientist living right next to these ancient interdimensional portals. It's strange.
Speaker 2: So the the Wikipedia entry also talked about a secret
Speaker 2: entrance located somewhere on the mountain. Now, no one I've
Speaker 2: talked to has ever found it, but I talked to
Speaker 2: several people who think they might have located it on
Speaker 2: Google Earth. They haven't been able to get out there.
Speaker 2: And look, I've also talked to people from the Historical
Speaker 2: Society who say they've scoured the mountain for you know,
Speaker 2: this secret lab that you know, but they they nothing
Speaker 2: exists of it, and they don't they don't believe that
Speaker 2: it's real. But we do know that there are caves
Speaker 2: on the mountain that caves that are so deep, like
Speaker 2: the Skinner's Cave. It's a cave on the mountain called
Speaker 2: Skinner's Cave that they hold ice year around. Now I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that means anything, but it could suggest that
Speaker 2: the entrance is in a cave. Right. So doctor Davidson's
Speaker 2: initial plan was to construct a ski resort on the
Speaker 2: mountain and he contemplated this idea. And while he contemplated
Speaker 2: this idea, he built a lodge in a valley near
Speaker 2: the summit. And I couldn't get an exact year, but
Speaker 2: it was as early as nineteen thirty nine, Between nineteen
Speaker 2: thirty nine and nineteen forty five. Now, I couldn't get
Speaker 2: a whole lot of dates on anything. I had asked
Speaker 2: the Historical Society, but they didn't really know. But from
Speaker 2: what we do know, his friend Fred Paps of PABs
Speaker 2: Blue Ribbon Brewing Company gave up on his own ski
Speaker 2: resort in East Dorset, which is not too far away
Speaker 2: from Manchester, in the nineteen thirties. So Fred Paps convince
Speaker 2: doctor Davidson did not build a ski resort, right, so
Speaker 2: he had built a ski lodge and then he was
Speaker 2: convinced to not build the ski resort, so he gave
Speaker 2: up on that, but the lodge was still there, and
Speaker 2: I believe the lab is located under the lodge. By
Speaker 2: nineteen forty seven, he had finished construction on a five
Speaker 2: mile road from the bottom of the mountain to the top.
Speaker 2: By nineteen forty nine, the Skyline Inn was opened. By
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty three, Skyline Drive was fully paved. Now this
Speaker 2: is the longest privately owned paved road in the country.
Speaker 2: In the late nineteen fifties, Doctor Davidson would then befriend
Speaker 2: a Carthusian monk named Brother Paul. Brother Paul hadn't yet
Speaker 2: taken his vows, so he was still able to speak
Speaker 2: with doctor Davidson and his wife, and Davidson would end
Speaker 2: up renting his abandoned ski lodge to the order to
Speaker 2: use as their their charterhouse. You know, their their current
Speaker 2: charterhouse was not in a prime location, so they were
Speaker 2: they were you know, Doctor Davidson allowed them to use
Speaker 2: this abandoned ski lodge, you know, as their their charter house.
Speaker 2: So who are the Carthulians, right? The Carthulians And I'm
Speaker 2: totally saying that wrong, That is not I can't pronounce
Speaker 2: the name Carsousians or something like that, and my, my,
Speaker 2: my backwoods accident does not allow me to say this word.
Speaker 2: The Carthulians are an enclosed Catholic religious order dating back
Speaker 2: nearly a thousand years. They take their name from the
Speaker 2: original hermitage constructed in the Shartouche Mountains in UH ten eighty.
Speaker 2: They take a vow of silence particular, practice a unique
Speaker 2: ritual called the Carthusian Right, and are famous for the
Speaker 2: wine they make. Now, after several years of friendship, in
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixties, doctor Davidson begins gifting parcels of land
Speaker 2: to the order and they would remodel the abandoned lodge,
Speaker 2: turning it into the Charterhouse of Transfiguration. Now you can
Speaker 2: go to you can't necessarily go to this place today,
Speaker 2: but you can drive up Skyline Drive and you can
Speaker 2: see it. It's still operated. Monks still live there. And
Speaker 2: it just so happens that when they begin construction on
Speaker 2: this Charterhouse, supposedly, you know, the secret Lab goes out
Speaker 2: of business, Isn't that That's a little weird, And that's
Speaker 2: really I mean, I got a lot of speculative stuff
Speaker 2: that I got, but those are really the facts that
Speaker 2: I know about, you know, like this chronics lab is
Speaker 2: located beneath the charterhouse, is what I believe. It's in
Speaker 2: the perfect location. It's in this you know, remote valley,
Speaker 2: far away from prying eyes. The public aren't allowed there, right,
Speaker 2: the you know, the orders there you can't go necessarily
Speaker 2: anywhere near it. I think they opened it to the
Speaker 2: public for one day when when it first opened in
Speaker 2: like the seventies. Yeah, I mean, those are really just
Speaker 2: the facts that I have. Doctor Davidson's you know, dream
Speaker 2: resort may have been some sort of cover for something
Speaker 2: much more sinister, which would have been why the resort
Speaker 2: was never actually finished. Uh, very possible that doctor Davison found,
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, one of these man eating rocks.
Speaker 2: And I really think this is stupid, but I really
Speaker 2: think this this this man eating rocks, These these injured
Speaker 2: dimensional portals play a role in in you know, doctor
Speaker 2: Davidson's fascination with the area and does work with h
Speaker 2: oak Ridge Labs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard Oakridge a lot, especially down to Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think that's where they're located.
Speaker 1: Right, it is. And again I don't like to use
Speaker 1: the word synchronicities. But when you mentioned Ball and oak Ridge,
Speaker 1: and there's a whole lot of stuff that's going on,
Speaker 1: and like I said, we can talk about it all
Speaker 1: fair because it's not something that I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: about on here. But uh, yeah, there's just a lot
Speaker 1: of weird stuff, man, a lot of weird simularities. And
Speaker 1: I don't believe in coincidences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of Yeah, a lot
Speaker 2: of coincidence is going on. I think within this whole
Speaker 2: thing that I put together, which is what I really
Speaker 2: piques my interest the most, Like it seems like everything
Speaker 2: comes together in my mind at least I might not
Speaker 2: have been able to convey it properly right like I tried.
Speaker 2: But there is a lot of weird things that kind
Speaker 2: of all come together. It's it's strange mm hm.
Speaker 1: But we can probably wrap this one up. We've been
Speaker 1: going on for almost two hours, so I feel like
Speaker 1: once you get to that two hour more, the audience
Speaker 1: is either asleep or they just don't care at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I got. Anyway, that's it.
Speaker 1: Well, before we wrap this one up, I would like
Speaker 1: for you to let everyone know where they can find
Speaker 1: your podcast. And everything else about you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like I said, I was almost cannon. I
Speaker 2: mean we're on you know, all the podcasting platforms, Spotify, Apple,
Speaker 2: you know all that good stuff. We got Facebook page, TikTok.
Speaker 2: I put out some videos on TikTok that I don't
Speaker 2: do on the podcast, you know, so it's always interesting
Speaker 2: to go there. Other than that, I mean you could
Speaker 2: pretty much find us on any social media platform that's available.
Speaker 1: So you say that TikTok has helped you.
Speaker 2: I mean it was through TikTok that I was able
Speaker 2: to get into the State Park. Like I made a
Speaker 2: TikTok video on the State Park and then they called
Speaker 2: me up and we're like, hey, come here and do
Speaker 2: you know do a ghost on or something? Right? So,
Speaker 2: I mean, other than that, probably not.
Speaker 1: I don't do TikTok. I don't do. I hate social
Speaker 1: media in general for the most part. I have a
Speaker 1: Facebook that I use, but other than that, I don't
Speaker 1: try and surround with too much of it. And everyone's
Speaker 1: to keep saying, oh, you gotta need to get a TikTok,
Speaker 1: you gotta get a TikTok that I don't want to
Speaker 1: do it. I have one, but I don't utilize it. So,
Speaker 1: and I don't have video clips for the interviews that
Speaker 1: I do with people either because obviously we're not on
Speaker 1: camera right now. So for me, it's like what am
Speaker 1: I supposed to be doing for TikTok?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, same goes through me. I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: do video clips either, so it's really just stuff that
Speaker 2: you know, click things I've researched. But I mean, isn't
Speaker 2: TikTok being closed anyway? So it's like I joined late,
Speaker 2: you know, there's not really much to gain. I get
Speaker 2: like maybe a thousand views per video, but you know,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think any of them then go to
Speaker 2: the podcast.
Speaker 1: Right, No, I think.
Speaker 2: Who watch videos aren't necessarily going to listen to podcasts,
Speaker 2: you know. So, and I don't have a YouTube I
Speaker 2: mean I do. I put YouTube videos up, but I
Speaker 2: can't figure out the damn algorithm, right, Like, none of
Speaker 2: my view videos on YouTube get any views.
Speaker 1: Mind own either. And I've got over almost thirteen hundred subscribers,
Speaker 1: and I get like maybe twenty to thirty views per episode, right.
Speaker 2: So I try. Yeah, I don't do much video stuff either, but.
Speaker 1: My stuff's been banned a couple of times. So I
Speaker 1: feel like because of the topics that get discussed, they've
Speaker 1: pretty much throttled my show. Right. I had a flat
Speaker 1: Earth episode, which I'm not really a flat Earth or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but one of the first episodes I
Speaker 1: did was a flat Earth episode talking with this guy
Speaker 1: that's very well known within the flat earth community, and
Speaker 1: it got twenty something or it's like two thousand of
Speaker 1: something views within twenty four hours. And ever since then,
Speaker 1: my YouTube is just been like non existent. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: tell me you don't throttle things by tell me you
Speaker 1: don't throttle things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, I've teamed up with YouTubers like
Speaker 2: I've had, you know, I've done episodes with YouTubers, but
Speaker 2: I still can't figure out the algorithm. I mean, and
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily spend a lot of time on that
Speaker 2: that shit either, Like I you know, I don't. I
Speaker 2: just do the content. I don't read about how to
Speaker 2: fucking get people to you know, how to take advantage
Speaker 2: of the algorithm. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't do that.
Speaker 2: I need someone to do that for me because I
Speaker 2: have no idea how.
Speaker 1: To do it. So I'll say, if I get to
Speaker 1: the point in life where I can hire an assistant.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hire someone to be my TikToker or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: All right, Nick, It's been a pleasure talking with you.
Speaker 1: For anyone out there listening, make sure to check out
Speaker 1: next podcast Almost Cannon, and then it should be available
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Speaker 1: thanks to Nick and thanks for listening. We're gonna wrap
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