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<v Speaker 1>And I just turned around and I call ass out

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<v Speaker 1>of there.

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<v Speaker 2>I was done.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the things that turned me away the quickest.

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<v Speaker 1>When I turned my head lights on, it turned and

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<v Speaker 1>looked at us, and one of the things I remember

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<v Speaker 1>the most where the eyes were glowing red. I see

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<v Speaker 1>an orb of light. It is just circling these steps

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<v Speaker 1>like it is waiting for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.

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<v Speaker 2>They're basically like, what are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where I saw.

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<v Speaker 2>The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as I made eye contact with this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like death. Welcome back to another episode of

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<v Speaker 1>ten Foil Tales, brought to you by Cult of Conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Brandon. Today's episode, we're gonna be joined

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<v Speaker 1>by Nick from Almost Cannon Podcast and he is going

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<v Speaker 1>to take us on a journey into the Bennington Triangle.

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on that if you're interested in the documentary

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<v Speaker 1>that I did film. On that note, we're gonna dive

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<v Speaker 1>on into the conversation and I really hope you guys

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy it. So again, thanks to Colt a conspiracy and

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for listening, and we will check you on the

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<v Speaker 1>next one. I like to think this time, welcome my

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<v Speaker 1>guest tonight, Nick. Thanks for coming out here and talk

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<v Speaker 1>with me tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you like to let the audience know a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Sure, I have a podcast called Almost Cannon. I

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<v Speaker 2>live up here in Vermont, in the North Country, in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of nowhere. I mean, other than that, I

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<v Speaker 2>really kind of been digging into the paranormal ever since

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<v Speaker 2>I was a kid. Really, I mean just fascinated me

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<v Speaker 2>ever since I was really little.

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<v Speaker 1>So the name almost Cannon is a play on the

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<v Speaker 1>whole Nick Cannon thing. But that's how I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was when I saw your name.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, it's actually a name my old co host

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<v Speaker 2>picked out. Ah, but he's not around anymore. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, you know, the Cannon is the official story, right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's almost Cannon.

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<v Speaker 1>I figured that's what it was, But with your name

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<v Speaker 1>being Nick and then it was almost Cannons, Like is

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<v Speaker 1>this supposed to be like almost Cannon, like the lore

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<v Speaker 1>like almost real or almost Nick Cannon?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I wish right, No, you have like eight hundred kids,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, that's what I've heard. I don't really.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a conspiracy in itself. How many kids Nick Cannon

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<v Speaker 1>actually have? But no, how long have you been doing

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? Year and a half maybe something like that. A

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<v Speaker 2>little while.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I've been doing this one for about two years,

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<v Speaker 1>so to year anniversary was a little over a month ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's nice to like, you know, stick through it

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<v Speaker 2>and get it out there. Is definitely fun, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>and have an outlet for all this stuff, crazy stuff

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<v Speaker 2>going on.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of stuff going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and for some reason, I just seem to always be

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<v Speaker 1>able to keep doing episodes. So I guess until I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do that anymore, I'll keep at it. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a postal driver, so I deliver, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a rural postal driver. So I'm driving all day long,

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<v Speaker 2>like ninety miles a day, and I listened, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I just listened to podcasts all day long.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is I used to drive for work, and

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<v Speaker 1>it'll probably pick back up, but for work purposes. The

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of years, my closest location to my office

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<v Speaker 1>to do that every day. So I listened to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff. But then since December of last year,

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<v Speaker 1>really been driving anywhere. So I don't get to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to podcasts much anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I do my own and that's about the

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<v Speaker 1>only time I get to do podcast stuff is when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing my own podcast. I don't get the free

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<v Speaker 1>time just to go out and listen to stuff anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, it does take up a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I like we, you know, before we started recording,

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about how many episodes and stuff like I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I record once a week, and I still feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's all I do is you know, research, editing, recording,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's just one episode a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever have guests on your show?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, you know, ton all the time. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>half and half. So I'll do I'll research a certain topic,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I get a couple other friends that have

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<v Speaker 2>podcasts and I'll I'll usually bring one of them on

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know, if I'm not doing that, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>have a guest on, so.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, for me, I literally just have guests, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always it works out easier for me because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to do a whole lot of research to anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't. The guests come on and talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is a lot. It is a lot easier

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<v Speaker 2>when I have a guest on. I can definitely have

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<v Speaker 2>more time to do research. But I mean, I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to get into all this stuff. There's some crazy shit

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<v Speaker 1>I do not edit anything else, so whatever you say.

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<v Speaker 2>Is good, all right. Yeah, So, I mean there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of really cool, you know, ship out there that

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<v Speaker 2>it's just I find that I really believe that behind

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<v Speaker 2>every you know, myth or legend or story or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you can dig into history and find you know, that

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<v Speaker 2>kernel of whatever it is. So I like doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>I like seeing what's out there. But I also like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not everything that people talk about is true.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a lot of it is just crazy stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is you know, it's nice to really get

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<v Speaker 2>in there, dig in and find out for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to hear about stuff, and I do some

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<v Speaker 1>research here and there, but like, I don't actually have

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunities to do as much as I want, just because,

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<v Speaker 1>like we talk about, I have full time job, married,

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<v Speaker 1>early children. There's just not enough time, right, So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things I would like to do, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of stuff, and I haven't mentioned this on

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<v Speaker 1>air before, so I guess for anyone listening, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>into doing actual, physical, real life investigations on certain cryptid

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<v Speaker 1>activity within my driving distances. Right, But I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of people lined up that were actually going to

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<v Speaker 1>film it, So it's not just me going to go

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<v Speaker 1>out there in the woods and hopefully get attacked by

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<v Speaker 1>a bigfoot, but or at least try and document me

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<v Speaker 1>being attacked by a bigfoot. Right. I might not live,

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<v Speaker 1>but will be least famous for the guy that caught

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<v Speaker 1>bigfoot killing him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I actually went on my first at investigation. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you could call it with a paranormal group kind

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<v Speaker 2>of for the show, but not really like I didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't record. I guess I did record it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know if I'm gonna put it out

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<v Speaker 2>as an episode itself, but I went to I was

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<v Speaker 2>invited to a state park here in Vermont, Jamaica State

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<v Speaker 2>Park kind of put on like a ghost story night,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had a paranormal team come with me and they,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we did an investigation at the end and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of found some interesting stuff, some pretty creepy things,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I've only been on a couple of different investigations for

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<v Speaker 1>paranormal stuff, and that was not really anything that I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was extravagant. And that was probably fifteen plus years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>When we were younger and dumb. We used to go

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<v Speaker 1>to these haunted quote unquote cemetery, haunted whatever locations, and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously everyone's dumbe when you're a teenager. I think cemeteries

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<v Speaker 1>are haunted. But we did stuff like that before there

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<v Speaker 1>were shows like ghost Hunters or like this was back

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<v Speaker 1>in like oh yeah, the year two thousand, two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and one, when I was still in high school. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, we didn't have that shit on TV, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So now that is I grew up doing that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>with my friends. But other than that, I've never been

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<v Speaker 1>out with anyone that's really other than the one or

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<v Speaker 1>once or twice before in the winter the last fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>years with people that are supposed to be ghost hunters, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I've never been on a cryptied hunt, so trying

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<v Speaker 1>to at least put that little notch under my belt.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anything will happen, but you never know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've never been on a cryptied hunt either, but

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<v Speaker 2>I uh, you know, I do a lot of deer hunting,

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<v Speaker 2>and in twenty seventeen it was opening day. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see anything, but I'm pretty sure that whatever was up there,

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<v Speaker 2>it was definitely like a sas squatch of so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a juvenile and then you know

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<v Speaker 2>a parent or you know, an older one behind it

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<v Speaker 2>younger one. It was. It was pretty nerve wracking.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, were you like on the tree stand or something.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was. I was walking, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>walking to the hunting location. So my grandparents, my family,

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<v Speaker 2>they own a bunch of land on on this mountain,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's called Mount e From. It's fairly you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not huge, it's about four thousand feet. But I

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<v Speaker 2>was going up the mountain to my usual spot. There's

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<v Speaker 2>this Class four road that goes up the middle to

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<v Speaker 2>the summit. You know, we walk up this road. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we do a lot of maple sugaring up there, so

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<v Speaker 2>this road is like we walk on all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was walking up this road and the only

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<v Speaker 2>other hunter that ever that I've ever seen up there,

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<v Speaker 2>like this is my grandparents' land. This is the only

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<v Speaker 2>other guy that hunts this location. He was coming down

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<v Speaker 2>tell something that you know, spooked him. He looked spooked.

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<v Speaker 2>So I asked him. I was like, what's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>how's the hunting. He was like, oh, man, I was

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<v Speaker 2>sitting behind this raw and and this bobcat came out

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<v Speaker 2>of nowhere and jumped over the top of me and

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<v Speaker 2>scared me, and you know, I'm just I'm just leaving now.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, wow, that's weird. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>he must have been up there when all this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, it sounded like a person trying to

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<v Speaker 2>sound like a turkey, so it didn't sound exactly like

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<v Speaker 2>a turkey. And as I kept going up to hill,

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<v Speaker 2>the turkey sound, the turkey call kind of devolved into

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<v Speaker 2>more of a growl. You know. The closer I got

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<v Speaker 2>changed from a turkey to a growl. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>got pretty much, you know, probably twenty yards from where

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<v Speaker 2>the sound was coming from, and I couldn't see anything

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<v Speaker 2>it was. Whatever it was was in like this thicket

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<v Speaker 2>of really there were like saplings, but there were so

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<v Speaker 2>many saplings it was so thick. I couldn't see through it.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever it was in, whatever was there was was behind

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<v Speaker 2>this you know, growth of trees, and it had turned

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<v Speaker 2>into a full growl at this point, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I had my little my brother in law was with

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, dude, we got you gotta stop, we

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<v Speaker 2>gotta stop. Whenever, you know, I was really starting to

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<v Speaker 2>get creeped out and we were hunting, so I had

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<v Speaker 2>my rifle, my side arm. I was loaded like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>something was was to jump out at us. We would

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<v Speaker 2>have I should, you know, I shouldn't have been afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was doing this growling sound. And then from

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<v Speaker 2>behind me I heard four tree knocks. Now I had

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<v Speaker 2>never thought I always thought tree knocks were just something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're a joke. It was something that you'd

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<v Speaker 2>hear on uh, finding Bigfoot or something. You know. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't actually think that that this was a real phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 2>But I shit you not. This thing was growling at us,

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<v Speaker 2>and then from behind me it was like boom boom,

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<v Speaker 2>boom boom. And at that point, I was just like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we gotta leave. We got to get out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>We slowly backed away and left. But I didn't see anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I never saw anything. Right. Could have been another hunter

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<v Speaker 2>just messing around with us, but then there would have

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<v Speaker 2>had been two of them, you know. Obviously the tree

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<v Speaker 2>knocks came from behind us somewhere. And if this was

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<v Speaker 2>another hunter, I mean this guy was he was playing

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<v Speaker 2>fast and loose with his life, Like I could have

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<v Speaker 2>easily just shut you know, pointed and pulled the trigger.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know people who do that kind of shit,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like sound shooters, they hear something and they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of just shoot at it. Right now, obviously I

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<v Speaker 2>don't do that, but this guy, if this was a

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<v Speaker 2>person like I could have, you know, he would have

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<v Speaker 2>no no idea. He could have just been killed. So

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<v Speaker 2>I do not think it was a person, but it

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<v Speaker 2>could have been in this location. It's on my Graham's property.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is not the only weird thing that

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<v Speaker 2>has happened up there, you know. I've talked to multiple

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<v Speaker 2>family members. Like I said, we do maple sugaring up there.

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<v Speaker 2>People have seen weird things. It seems to only go

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<v Speaker 2>on from like mid to late October to I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>like March or April, you know, springtime seems to only

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<v Speaker 2>go on in the winter. Really it's strange. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'd never seen I'd never actually seen anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had cameras up there, never gotten a picture of

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<v Speaker 2>anything weird, you know, So I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>But the knocking to me, I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I had the similar mindset is I don't really think

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<v Speaker 1>the knocking is them trying to communicate. If they do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've also thought it was strange like you have. People

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<v Speaker 1>are out looking for these supposedly super smart, elusive creatures

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<v Speaker 1>that no one can ever find or take photos of. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go out there and scream and holler and

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<v Speaker 1>bang on trees and expect them to be stupid enough

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<v Speaker 1>just wander on up be like, oh hey, what's up, fellow? Like, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand it's like a TV show, but like everyone

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<v Speaker 1>tries to emulate that. Well, I say everyone, but a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people tries to emulate what they see on television.

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<v Speaker 1>And for me, I'm like, you're not gonna find anything

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<v Speaker 1>by doing that, right, You're just allowing that to know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly where you're at now, so it's going to avoid you, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I have a feeling they can distinguish the

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<v Speaker 1>difference between a person and another whatever a sasquatches.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no doubt. And I mean, like the tree knocks,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't think it was trying to communicate

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly, you know, I think it was just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get my attention away from you know, whatever was

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<v Speaker 2>making the calls. That's what I think it was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>A bit of distraction, Yeah, just trying.

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<v Speaker 2>To distract me. And I think, like the other dude

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<v Speaker 2>that was up there sitting behind this rock, I think

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<v Speaker 2>whatever was up there spooked that bobcat, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why it went running off and over him and

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<v Speaker 2>scared him and he left. But he must have been

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<v Speaker 2>up there with whatever else was up there, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never actually talked to the guy to see if

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<v Speaker 2>he experienced anything else that day, because, like when I

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<v Speaker 2>say he was spooked, like he was spooked, like I

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<v Speaker 2>could instantly tell on his face, so he might actually

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<v Speaker 2>seen something else. I don't know. I never even thought

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<v Speaker 2>of of reaching out to him until right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you ever do, yeah, I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>let me know what he thinks. But now, far as

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<v Speaker 1>like what you're wanting to talk about here tonight, I

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<v Speaker 1>forget what you said it was, but you mentioned it

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<v Speaker 1>was by the Bridgewater Triangle, and I've had several different

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<v Speaker 1>episodes about that, so it's really there's something strange in

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<v Speaker 1>that whole area. I don't know what it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, right, Yeah, the Bennington Triangle, the Triangle. Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people, I feel like a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>haven't heard of the Banging Triangle. And it's like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I said earlier. It's it's really not that

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<v Speaker 2>far away from the Bridgewater Triangle, right, It's only like

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<v Speaker 2>a couple I don't know, less than it's like one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty miles away or something like that, so

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<v Speaker 2>it is fairly close.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't I don't know a whole lot about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, I'll get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, I'm just gonna sit here and listen

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<v Speaker 1>and you can take it over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, perfect. So I'm like, I'm gonna start

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<v Speaker 2>and if there is something that you want to like

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<v Speaker 2>talk about, you know, you can just interrupt me, because

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<v Speaker 2>I did. I wrote out a bunch of notes. There's

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<v Speaker 2>so much to remember. My memory is totally shot. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's see where I can pick this up from. Uh So, yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm from Vermont, A lot of people haven't necessarily,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, I, you know, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>haven't heard of the Bennington Trigon. I feel like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people haven't even heard of Vermont. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell people I'm from Vermont and they ask me

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<v Speaker 2>what state that's in, right, Like it's a city or something,

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<v Speaker 2>But Vermont is, you know, it's a state. It's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the smaller states. It's up in the northeast.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>We were the fourteenth state, so we came in, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>after the We were the first to be added to

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<v Speaker 2>the Union after the you know original thirteen colonies, and

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<v Speaker 2>the land you know that would become Vermont was was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much wild frontier until around the seventeen thirties. We

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<v Speaker 2>were kind of fought over by New York and New

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<v Speaker 2>Hampshire for a while, and we played a pretty big

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<v Speaker 2>role in the French and Indian War and even bigger

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<v Speaker 2>role in like the Revolutionary War. You know, we have

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<v Speaker 2>Lake Champlain. A lot of people probably heard of champ

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<v Speaker 2>He's kind of like a lake monster, kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>NeSSI he's from Lake Champlain. So this is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a Lake Champlain straddles Vermont in upstate New York

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<v Speaker 2>and also played a pretty big role in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Revolutionary Wars. You know, America had its first

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<v Speaker 2>navy on Lake Champlain. This is where you get figures

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<v Speaker 2>like Ethan Allen or Benedict Arnold, you know, they they

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<v Speaker 2>really came into prominence here in Vermont. H And as

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<v Speaker 2>I guess as a sort of side note, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you might find this interesting or not. But I,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I'm a postal driver and along my

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<v Speaker 2>mail route I randomly came across someone who told me

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<v Speaker 2>this story on how Benedict Arnold is actually buried in

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<v Speaker 2>you know this this unnamed graves. You know, there's this

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<v Speaker 2>grave site in the middle of the woods. They say

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<v Speaker 2>Benedict Arnold's buried there, and and funnily enough, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>on a product plot of land that was owned by

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<v Speaker 2>Ethan allen Son. So I don't we don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>get into the backstory of everything. But you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>fought together in the Revolutionary War, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the story that they told me. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's true or not. You know, Benedict Arnold supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>buried in England. But I always found that kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>But I doesn't have anything to do with the Bennington Triangle.

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<v Speaker 2>I just some people might find that interesting. Uh. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know you had mentioned that this area is is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of there's something going on in this area, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would definitely agree. And I think the most notably

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<v Speaker 2>haunted location or just location for paranormal activity in Vermont

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<v Speaker 2>is the Bennington Triangle so much like it's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>like the Bermuda Triangle. Like I said, the Bridgewater Triangle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a geographical location tucked away in southwest

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<v Speaker 2>corner of Vermont. You know. It gets its name from

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<v Speaker 2>this Vermont folklorist and paranormal author named Joseph Sitrow. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you've heard of him or not. He's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of no He writes a lot about New England, really,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, paranormal New England, and he kind of dug

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<v Speaker 2>into the triangles mysteries in the nineteen nineties, so he

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<v Speaker 2>coined the term the Bennington Triangle. Much like other triangles,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's no official boundary lines. However, the towns

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<v Speaker 2>of Bennington and Woodford, Shaftesbury, and Somerset kind of make

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<v Speaker 2>up the roughly three hundred square miles of the triangle,

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<v Speaker 2>with the focal point located around a mountain called Gladston

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<v Speaker 2>Burry Mountain. It's kind of like in the middle of it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So if you research this area, I'll find the same

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<v Speaker 2>old information over and over again. You know, missing people

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<v Speaker 2>in the forties, there's an old ghost town man eating rocks,

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<v Speaker 2>sasquatch attacks from you know, the eighteen hundreds, as well

417
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<v Speaker 2>as your usual UFO and ghost stories and shadow person

418
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:34.759
<v Speaker 2>sightings and things like that. And I find that this,

419
00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:39.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you look up podcasts on the Bennington Triangle,

420
00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:43.640
<v Speaker 2>it's all they usually only focus on, you know, there

421
00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:48.599
<v Speaker 2>was this spat of missing people, right. But what I

422
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:52.519
<v Speaker 2>find I guess what I find most interesting about the

423
00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Bennington Triangle is that supposedly the four winds meet at

424
00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:01.119
<v Speaker 2>the mountain summit and the Abenaki it was this Native America,

425
00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, this indigenous tribe that lived in the region

426
00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:11.160
<v Speaker 2>before the settlers came in. They claimed that the mountain

427
00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:14.279
<v Speaker 2>itself was cursed because of these four winds they met

428
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:19.640
<v Speaker 2>at the summit. At least that that was the official

429
00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:27.279
<v Speaker 2>reason that they stated. Now, the land you know around

430
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the triangle, so you know, Bennington and Glastonbury and things

431
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:35.759
<v Speaker 2>like that. You know, it kind of goes back to

432
00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:39.759
<v Speaker 2>the late seventeen hundreds when this dude named Benning Wentworth.

433
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<v Speaker 2>He was a governor of New Hampshire. He visited the

434
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.000
<v Speaker 2>city of Bennington in seventeen sixty one and he planned

435
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:49.240
<v Speaker 2>to write up charters for the mountain region around Bennington.

436
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:51.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, and we see in his journal when he

437
00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:54.720
<v Speaker 2>took this trip, you know, he wanted settlers to move

438
00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:57.240
<v Speaker 2>out of Bennington and into the land, right And we

439
00:24:57.319 --> 00:24:59.880
<v Speaker 2>see in his journal that he rode about seeing shadow

440
00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.799
<v Speaker 2>figures in the trees and hearing inhuman screams coming from

441
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:08.200
<v Speaker 2>the forest at night. And he, you know, on that

442
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:12.720
<v Speaker 2>trip where he provided these charters, he reported all sorts

443
00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:15.680
<v Speaker 2>of weird stuff happening to him when he was up there. Now,

444
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 2>the abanaky, like I said, they thought the land was cursed,

445
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:21.039
<v Speaker 2>so they warned against the settlers. You know, they told

446
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.680
<v Speaker 2>him not to go up there if they had to,

447
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:26.920
<v Speaker 2>then to stay away from the summit of the mountain,

448
00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:30.400
<v Speaker 2>which seemed to be the epicenter for you know, the

449
00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:35.519
<v Speaker 2>mountain's powers. It said that they would only enter the

450
00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:38.200
<v Speaker 2>woods of Glastonbury to enter their dead. Other than that

451
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.920
<v Speaker 2>they would stay away from the mountain. So white settlers

452
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:45.400
<v Speaker 2>begin arriving in seventeen ninety one. And I'm gonna try

453
00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:47.599
<v Speaker 2>to blow through this as quickly as possible. It's kind

454
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:51.400
<v Speaker 2>of boring, it's just the history of the triangle, but

455
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:55.680
<v Speaker 2>it definitely I think plays a big role in you know,

456
00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:01.359
<v Speaker 2>what could be going on up there. So settlers arrived

457
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:05.000
<v Speaker 2>in seventeen ninety one. By eighteen ten there were seventy

458
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:10.240
<v Speaker 2>six residents. By the eighteen forties, several families had left,

459
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:14.000
<v Speaker 2>leaving only fifty residents. And it wasn't until after the

460
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Civil War that Gladstonbury saw boom in population. So Bennington

461
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.920
<v Speaker 2>had become quite wealthy, and due to the boom and industry,

462
00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, Gladstonbury saw growth as well. Took several decades,

463
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.519
<v Speaker 2>but proper villages were constructed, one called Faysville and the

464
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:37.079
<v Speaker 2>other called South Glastonbury. So by the eighteen seventies, the

465
00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:43.039
<v Speaker 2>towns on Glastonbury Mountain, mostly South Gladstonbury, were very successful

466
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.640
<v Speaker 2>thanks to the vast amounts of timber that surrounded the village.

467
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:52.200
<v Speaker 2>So they became charcoal producers and they cut down, you know,

468
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.400
<v Speaker 2>they would cut down all these trees. They would create

469
00:26:55.559 --> 00:27:00.599
<v Speaker 2>charcoal which was used to power the iron mills upstate

470
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:05.839
<v Speaker 2>New York. So eighteen seventy saw the construction of two mills,

471
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 2>one in each village, as well as twelve kilns in

472
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:12.920
<v Speaker 2>South Gladstonbury. And by eighteen seventy three a railway was finished,

473
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:17.440
<v Speaker 2>making transport between Gladstonbury and Bennington much easier. This is

474
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>where we get our first example of something weird going on.

475
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:24.720
<v Speaker 2>So in eighteen ninety two, after the majority of the

476
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:28.400
<v Speaker 2>timber had been cut from the mountain, and like I said,

477
00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that plays a pretty key role in unleashing

478
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:39.119
<v Speaker 2>whatever whatever was was, you know, laying semi dormant, I

479
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:42.039
<v Speaker 2>guess you could say at the time. Anyway, there was

480
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.920
<v Speaker 2>one mill worker, a man named Henry McDowell, who would

481
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:48.599
<v Speaker 2>end up bashing another worker in the head with a rock,

482
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>crushing his skull and killing him and instantly. And when

483
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.720
<v Speaker 2>asked why he did it, he would tell authorities that

484
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:57.759
<v Speaker 2>the voices from the forest told him to do it.

485
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:00.680
<v Speaker 2>And you know, he went on the run. He was

486
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.240
<v Speaker 2>caught in Connecticut and that's where he admitted to the murder.

487
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Henry McDowell. He would end up escaping from the prison

488
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.920
<v Speaker 2>asylum he was placed in. It would never be seen again.

489
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:18.599
<v Speaker 2>So back in Faysville and South Glastonbury, their lucrative charcoal

490
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:25.039
<v Speaker 2>business kind of came to an end around eighteen eighty nine,

491
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:28.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, after they had pretty much cut all the

492
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 2>trees from the mountain. Right railroad operations you know, kind

493
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 2>of ceased there was no one to transport this lumber.

494
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.759
<v Speaker 2>You know, they kind of just their entire economy just crashed.

495
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:48.079
<v Speaker 2>And they would transform this charcoal business into a resort.

496
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.240
<v Speaker 2>So they would turn their bunk house into a grand

497
00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 2>hotel and their general store into a casino. They would

498
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:58.599
<v Speaker 2>rebuild the train and do an electric tram. But they

499
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:01.599
<v Speaker 2>used to carry people from Bennington, you know, up the

500
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:05.640
<v Speaker 2>mountain side to Gladsonbury or South Gladsonbury and all this

501
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:08.599
<v Speaker 2>seemed like a great idea, right the town was prosperous again,

502
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:12.200
<v Speaker 2>but it didn't last long. Glastonbury experienced a single year

503
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:15.960
<v Speaker 2>of operation before the following spring, when the snow began

504
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.279
<v Speaker 2>to melt and the rains fell. The infrastructure that supported

505
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Glastonbury was literally washed down the mountain in an epic flood,

506
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:26.599
<v Speaker 2>obviously thanks to all the trees that they cut down.

507
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, these trees they hold the soil together. There

508
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:30.720
<v Speaker 2>was nothing to hold the soil and they kind of

509
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>just lost everything. Uh. Now that's the basic history of

510
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>the town. It's now ghost town. You can go up there.

511
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:42.079
<v Speaker 2>There's all these foundations and you know, there's no buildings

512
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.759
<v Speaker 2>left now, but there's there's these foundations. People go up there.

513
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, you can see videos on YouTube and stuff.

514
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:51.599
<v Speaker 2>It is a fairly decent hike. If you are in

515
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 2>the area or you're thinking about going to the area,

516
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.799
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty decent hike just to get up there. It's

517
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:01.480
<v Speaker 2>like three miles or something like that. But if you

518
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:02.799
<v Speaker 2>are a thing you're going up there, I mean, I

519
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.240
<v Speaker 2>guess I would kind of recommend it. It might be exciting,

520
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:10.680
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, that's the basic history. Like I said, in

521
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen forties, five people went missing in a five

522
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.720
<v Speaker 2>year spand and this is what gets the most attention

523
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:19.680
<v Speaker 2>when you talk about the Bennington Triangle. But I don't,

524
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:23.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's interesting, but it's definitely not the most

525
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:28.960
<v Speaker 2>interesting thing I think. So there's estimate.

526
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna ask a question, yep. The five people

527
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:39.039
<v Speaker 1>that were missing, were they five to like, were any

528
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:41.319
<v Speaker 1>of them together or were they all just random people

529
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:46.400
<v Speaker 1>that came up missing? And were they all men women mixtures.

530
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I'll get into it, but no, they weren't together. But

531
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.279
<v Speaker 2>it's very weird. It's almost like I don't like talking

532
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.720
<v Speaker 2>about you know, I'm a paranormal guy, right, I like

533
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.319
<v Speaker 2>weird things, So I don't like talking about, you know,

534
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the serial killer theory, right, but it's almost it's very strange.

535
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'll lay out the years and things and

536
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:17.400
<v Speaker 2>you'll notice, like something funky's going on here, Like there's

537
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:21.960
<v Speaker 2>a reason why people focus on this. David Palides Polites

538
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>has he's included this in his his Eastern Bug, you know,

539
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:33.319
<v Speaker 2>Missing four and one, the Eastern Book. But yeah, so

540
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:36.359
<v Speaker 2>there's estimates that up to forty people have gone missing

541
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.319
<v Speaker 2>within the triangle over the course of all these years.

542
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>And before these five people went missing, there were two

543
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:47.240
<v Speaker 2>others that were also kind of strange disappearances as well

544
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.599
<v Speaker 2>as deaths that occurred in the area that don't get

545
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.759
<v Speaker 2>as much attention. One was in nineteen forty two and

546
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.400
<v Speaker 2>the other was in nineteen forty three, so they're kind

547
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.599
<v Speaker 2>of back to back, you know, you'll, I'll get into

548
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:03.920
<v Speaker 2>the five now. So between nineteen forty five and nineteen fifty,

549
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, these these five people really gained notoriety. And

550
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>the first one is a man named Midy Rivers and

551
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:12.480
<v Speaker 2>he was a hunter. You know, he's a hunting guide,

552
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 2>a local hunting guide in this place called Brickford Hollow.

553
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.319
<v Speaker 2>He was leading a group of hunters in Brickford Hollow,

554
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.240
<v Speaker 2>which I think is also called Hell's Hollow. It got

555
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.119
<v Speaker 2>the nickname Hell's Hollow. I'm not exactly sure why, but

556
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.200
<v Speaker 2>it definitely doesn't sound very very pleasant.

557
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I felt like a lot of those places were given

558
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:35.119
<v Speaker 1>the names of devils and hells and everything else to

559
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.519
<v Speaker 1>make them sounds scary to white settlers.

560
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that that very well could be the reason.

561
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>I like, I don't know, but yeah, many rivers he

562
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 2>would just vanish without a trace. He was with hunters, right,

563
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:53.200
<v Speaker 2>He kind of went ahead of them to prepare the camp,

564
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and he disappeared between leaving the hunters the group of hunters,

565
00:32:58.119 --> 00:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>so I guess this guy was with the group. He

566
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>appeared between leaving those hunters and the camp in between

567
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.200
<v Speaker 2>that point. At some point he disappeared, and that was

568
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:11.519
<v Speaker 2>on November twelfth, nineteen forty five, and he just I guess,

569
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:13.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of just keep this in the back of your head.

570
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:16.720
<v Speaker 2>He was wearing a red and black jacket. Now, they

571
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.240
<v Speaker 2>never found anything of him. There's reports that they found

572
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:23.720
<v Speaker 2>a single bullet that had not been shot, like it

573
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 2>had just fallen out of his pocket and it was

574
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:31.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of like on the edge of a very shallow stream,

575
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:34.480
<v Speaker 2>like a creek, not a river or anything like. He

576
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.440
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have drowned or been swept down river, right, It's

577
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:41.559
<v Speaker 2>just this very very shallow creek. And the next one

578
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:44.279
<v Speaker 2>to go missing was Paula Weldon, and she's probably the

579
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.559
<v Speaker 2>most popular one. You know, she was very wealthier parent.

580
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, her dad owned some sort of company and

581
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.359
<v Speaker 2>he put a lot of money into finding her. And

582
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:58.039
<v Speaker 2>she's actually the reason why the Vermont State Police, you know,

583
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:02.920
<v Speaker 2>was started. And she went missing on December one, nineteen

584
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.799
<v Speaker 2>forty six, you know, about a year later. And she

585
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:12.840
<v Speaker 2>hitchhiked from I believe it was Southern Vermont College. You know,

586
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.039
<v Speaker 2>this was a it's not open anymore and it's got

587
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:19.840
<v Speaker 2>its own paranormal issues going on there, but you know,

588
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:23.119
<v Speaker 2>it's not too far away. It's in Bennington. And she

589
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>hitchhiked from the college to Brickford Hollow and she was

590
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:31.679
<v Speaker 2>wearing a red jacket and there's some evidence that she

591
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:34.760
<v Speaker 2>might have gone into a car. Now keep that in

592
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.519
<v Speaker 2>mind to the end of this when I'm going to

593
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:44.599
<v Speaker 2>get into something that I've recently uncovered that's very very strange.

594
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.119
<v Speaker 2>The third person to go missing was James Tedford. He

595
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:53.719
<v Speaker 2>was a World War One vet. He practically went missing

596
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:56.079
<v Speaker 2>on a bus. No one ever saw him get off,

597
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 2>No one ever saw you know, he never went so

598
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Speaker 2>he got on the bus, no one ever saw him

599
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 2>god get off the bus. He never made it to

600
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.719
<v Speaker 2>his destination. So they say, you know, he just disappeared

601
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:13.719
<v Speaker 2>from the bus, right And he went missing on December first,

602
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:18.239
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty nine, so three years to the day after

603
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:22.599
<v Speaker 2>PAULA Weldon went missing. Some people say that he was

604
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:30.440
<v Speaker 2>seen talking with somebody before he went missing, but you know,

605
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>people just say that there's no evidence to support that

606
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:38.280
<v Speaker 2>he actually did. The next person, this would be the

607
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:43.159
<v Speaker 2>fourth one, was a little boy named Paul Jepsum and

608
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.519
<v Speaker 2>he went missing on October twelfth, nineteen fifty. He was

609
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:52.280
<v Speaker 2>wearing a red sweater. Bloodhounds tracked you know, his his

610
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.599
<v Speaker 2>trail is sent to a road that was near the

611
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:59.639
<v Speaker 2>mountain near Glastonbury, and his parents reported that he had

612
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.800
<v Speaker 2>had and urge to go to the mountain, you know,

613
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 2>in the weeks leading up to his disappearance. Now, the

614
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.719
<v Speaker 2>last one to go missing within this timeframe was free

615
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:16.719
<v Speaker 2>to Langer. She missing like two weeks later on October

616
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty eighth, nineteen fifty. She was wearing a red and

617
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 2>white woolen shirt. And out of the five that went

618
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:26.119
<v Speaker 2>missing that we just talked about, she was the only

619
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:29.599
<v Speaker 2>one that was ever found. Now. She was found seven

620
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:32.440
<v Speaker 2>miles away or uh three and a half miles away,

621
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:36.320
<v Speaker 2>seven months later, right after the snow had melted and

622
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:41.440
<v Speaker 2>in the springtime, and they attributed her death to an

623
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 2>accidental drowning. She was found, you know, face up at

624
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:55.360
<v Speaker 2>the edge of Summerset Reservoir in a in like with

625
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.159
<v Speaker 2>the missing four one one stuff. You know, she was

626
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:02.719
<v Speaker 2>found in a location that had been served several times previously,

627
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't until the springtime when they found her. Right,

628
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:15.559
<v Speaker 2>let's see here. So the two that I had mentioned

629
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:22.239
<v Speaker 2>briefly before these major, you know, occurrences was a boy

630
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.519
<v Speaker 2>named Melvin Hills who went missing in nineteen forty two

631
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:29.920
<v Speaker 2>from the Bennington area. He was never found. They don't

632
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know if this has anything to

633
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:34.559
<v Speaker 2>do with a triangle or if he just went missing

634
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>somewhere else. I don't know, but he went missing and

635
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:42.880
<v Speaker 2>was never found. And on November eleventh, nineteen forty three,

636
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Carl Herrick was hunting with a cousin in the triangle.

637
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.000
<v Speaker 2>They ended up separating, and when Carl didn't return that night,

638
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:54.880
<v Speaker 2>his cousin went for help. Now, Carl was found three

639
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:59.079
<v Speaker 2>days later. His rifle was one hundred feet away, you know,

640
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:03.199
<v Speaker 2>from him, and he had been squeezed to death right

641
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:08.000
<v Speaker 2>his rib cage, His ribs had punctured his lungs, you know,

642
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.719
<v Speaker 2>due to the immense pressure and force, kind of like

643
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.559
<v Speaker 2>someone gave him a giant bear hug, right, and that

644
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.159
<v Speaker 2>is how he died. Well, I guess a lot of

645
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:20.519
<v Speaker 2>people attribute that to sasquatch or something.

646
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, it sounds like something I was getting ready to say,

647
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:28.599
<v Speaker 1>like a bear hug. Now, there are bears in that area.

648
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.119
<v Speaker 1>But if something were to kill him, like a bear,

649
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:35.320
<v Speaker 1>wasn't the bear have eaten him? Uh?

650
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:37.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, we do a black bear in the area.

651
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:44.119
<v Speaker 1>It's just weird. If a bear would have killed him,

652
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>they didn't.

653
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Do anything right, Like if he was attacked by an animal,

654
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:51.440
<v Speaker 2>they would have known. Like, if you're gonna get attacked

655
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.119
<v Speaker 2>by a bear and then someone finds your body, they're

656
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.599
<v Speaker 2>obviously gonna know you were attacked by an animal, like it.

657
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Being attacked by an animal is not pretty you know,

658
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:04.840
<v Speaker 2>there's blood, there's clothings ripped up, you know, you got

659
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:09.280
<v Speaker 2>scratch smarks everywhere. There was none of that. It was

660
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.360
<v Speaker 2>just his lungs were punctured and that was it. Nothing

661
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 2>had touched him in the three days or however, many

662
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:18.400
<v Speaker 2>days after his death, nothing had touched him. It was

663
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:20.599
<v Speaker 2>just his punctured lungs and you know, he had been

664
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.559
<v Speaker 2>squeezed to death. And his rifle was you know, one

665
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:24.800
<v Speaker 2>hundred feet away or whatever.

666
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just strange. Now, I know you I don't think

667
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.920
<v Speaker 1>you've gotten into this far, but you mentioned the David

668
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:38.079
<v Speaker 1>Palidi's scene has got me thinking. I remember specifically on

669
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the video like the series that he did. I think

670
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:44.320
<v Speaker 1>it was the second one, that one was called the

671
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Hunted Yep, the old guy that was hunting that ended

672
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:51.360
<v Speaker 1>up disappearing. Is that one of the people from that area?

673
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.360
<v Speaker 2>No, but it's not that far away either, I mean, okay, yeah,

674
00:39:55.440 --> 00:40:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Bennington is right on the border of kind of that area.

675
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe like an hour and a half drive.

676
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:06.719
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's not in that area, but it isn't

677
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:08.039
<v Speaker 2>It isn't that that far away?

678
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, I just was kind of curious.

679
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, same general area, but not in the

680
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:22.920
<v Speaker 2>triangle or the same state. Okay, yeah, uh so yeah, anyways,

681
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.639
<v Speaker 2>those are the missing people. Those are the you know,

682
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.440
<v Speaker 2>when you talk about the triangle, that's what people mainly

683
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:34.920
<v Speaker 2>talk about. But that's not necessarily what grabbed my attention.

684
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

685
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.079
<v Speaker 2>What really grabbed my attention, And this is where it

686
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:41.079
<v Speaker 2>starts to get This is where I kind of go

687
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:43.760
<v Speaker 2>off the rails and I got into my own research

688
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.559
<v Speaker 2>on a bunch of stuff. So hear me out, let

689
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:50.559
<v Speaker 2>me know what you think, Like this is gonna get

690
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.199
<v Speaker 2>kind of weird, all right. So what really grabbed my

691
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:57.119
<v Speaker 2>interest about the triangle is the fact that the local

692
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Abhanaki believed they're creator God lived within this mountain, you know,

693
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Mount Glastonbury. Uh So, as I looked into this topic,

694
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:16.119
<v Speaker 2>I do deep, you know, down a rabbit hole obviously,

695
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Like there's so much to to look through that I

696
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.719
<v Speaker 2>obviously haven't looked through at all. There's just too much,

697
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:25.480
<v Speaker 2>too much information, and there's a lot of information that

698
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.480
<v Speaker 2>I can access. You know, I've tried. I'm not Native

699
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.840
<v Speaker 2>American myself, I don't have Native American blood in me.

700
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I've reached out to our local tribes. Uh, but they

701
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:42.960
<v Speaker 2>don't want, you know, anything to do with this. So

702
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.960
<v Speaker 2>there there's I have not been able to I just

703
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:48.840
<v Speaker 2>want to. I want to make sure that's out there.

704
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:53.599
<v Speaker 2>I've not talked to any you know, tribal leaders about

705
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:57.159
<v Speaker 2>any of this or gotten their opinion. I've just read

706
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:00.760
<v Speaker 2>what I could from books on the subject, as well

707
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:07.079
<v Speaker 2>as you know, articles online and things like that. So yeah,

708
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.000
<v Speaker 2>So as I looked into this, I dove down a

709
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:12.840
<v Speaker 2>huge rabbit hole that it kind of included you know,

710
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:18.039
<v Speaker 2>primordial beings as well as a concept known as chaotic waters,

711
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:23.199
<v Speaker 2>which which nearly every major religion I looked into, including

712
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:27.960
<v Speaker 2>the majority, if not all, of the First Nations and

713
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Native American beliefs you know, talk about it. It's very strange.

714
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:39.199
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, every and not just the Native American

715
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.079
<v Speaker 2>you know and First Nation tribes. I'm talking about every religion.

716
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 2>So every religion I looked into spoke about this mysterious

717
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:52.280
<v Speaker 2>cosmic substance I will refer to as chaotic water. You know,

718
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:55.360
<v Speaker 2>it's not always referred to as that, but a lot

719
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:58.039
<v Speaker 2>of these religions talk about it, you know, they call

720
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:02.400
<v Speaker 2>it chaotic water. So this chaotic water, it seems to

721
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:06.159
<v Speaker 2>be some sort of portal or doorway where those primordial

722
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:13.119
<v Speaker 2>beings and particularly the gods or beings of extraordinary power

723
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:17.039
<v Speaker 2>are able to literally pull not only other beings from,

724
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:20.719
<v Speaker 2>but also places and things. Right, So I picture I

725
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.960
<v Speaker 2>picture this as as like, uh, the place and stranger

726
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.320
<v Speaker 2>things where Eleven goes when she's kind of like mentally searching.

727
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like dark and she's like walking on

728
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, a little bit of water. I kind of

729
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:37.639
<v Speaker 2>picture it something like that. We don't really have a

730
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:41.400
<v Speaker 2>clear uniform description of this place, and ancient cultures had

731
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:44.719
<v Speaker 2>different names for it, you know, like the Samerians and

732
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:49.559
<v Speaker 2>the Babylonians knew it as Absu. The ancient Egyptians called

733
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:54.440
<v Speaker 2>it the New. Ancient Hindus called it the ast the

734
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Yazidis knew it as the Durr or the white Pearl.

735
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Zoroastrians called it the Vruska. Abrahamic religions, you know, like

736
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:11.159
<v Speaker 2>like Christianity and Judaism, and you know, they they refer

737
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 2>to it as the tay Home. So it's even in

738
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Bible, they talk about it. In the Bible,

739
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:22.960
<v Speaker 2>they refer to it as the Tailome. You know, I

740
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:24.920
<v Speaker 2>believe the quote from the Bible is let there be

741
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.760
<v Speaker 2>a firm firmament in the midst of the waters, and

742
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:33.480
<v Speaker 2>let it and let it divide the waters from the waters.

743
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:34.639
<v Speaker 2>And that's Genesis.

744
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:36.039
<v Speaker 1>You know. Six.

745
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a I'm not really big up on the

746
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Bible myself, but I have talked to Gary Wayne about this.

747
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>I've had him on my show and I kind of

748
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I asked him of all about this stuff, and I think,

749
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:53.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of what he says plays a

750
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>role in what I'm gonna get into.

751
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Really, I haven't actually talked to him. He's been someone

752
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.119
<v Speaker 1>I've been wanting to reach too, but I never have.

753
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:05.079
<v Speaker 1>I just kind of I just go with whoever reachs

754
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>out with me. That's how I do the episode. I don't, yeah, manes,

755
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't hunt too many people. Now.

756
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.119
<v Speaker 2>He's an interesting man. I mean, he's got he's a

757
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.039
<v Speaker 2>wealth of knowledge, that's for sure. Likes you could ask

758
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:23.000
<v Speaker 2>him pretty much anything that deals with not even the Bible,

759
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:26.880
<v Speaker 2>just like ancient gods and beings, and he's he knows

760
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 2>about him. So like, like I asked Gary Wayne about this,

761
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:33.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, I I kind of had this

762
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:36.000
<v Speaker 2>theory that the tay Home was kind of like a

763
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:39.320
<v Speaker 2>primordial being in itself. However, I couldn't I couldn't get

764
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:41.039
<v Speaker 2>him to agree to this, you know, but he kind

765
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:44.559
<v Speaker 2>of sold me on the idea that and and maybe

766
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:46.119
<v Speaker 2>it talks about this in the Bible and I just

767
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:47.639
<v Speaker 2>wasn't picking it up. But he kind of sold me

768
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:50.360
<v Speaker 2>on this idea that there was, you know, a whole

769
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:58.280
<v Speaker 2>another world before this world, and you know, God just totally.

770
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:02.039
<v Speaker 2>They often talk about the flood being the reset, right,

771
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:05.760
<v Speaker 2>but I'm talking we're talking about a flood before the flood,

772
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:11.440
<v Speaker 2>like a total flood that just knocked out everything. That's

773
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:16.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of what he explained explained it as. However, I

774
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:18.800
<v Speaker 2>still kind of feel like the Tayhome is almost a

775
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:23.800
<v Speaker 2>primordial being in itself. But yeah, that doesn't necessarily have

776
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 2>anything to do with with the Bennington Triangle. But uh,

777
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.119
<v Speaker 2>but like I said, I mean a lot of these

778
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:35.800
<v Speaker 2>major religions talk about this this chaotic water. Even like

779
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:40.800
<v Speaker 2>North Norse mythology is somewhat of an outliers. There's no

780
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:46.119
<v Speaker 2>like official chaotic water. However, their primordial god was seemingly

781
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.880
<v Speaker 2>borne from the melting waters where Musselheim and Joltenheim met,

782
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:55.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, so like the fires of of of Mossolheim

783
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of melted the ice from from Jotenheim and from

784
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:03.400
<v Speaker 2>that their god, you know, their their their primordial uh

785
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:09.000
<v Speaker 2>creator god was born. And that's just a handful of

786
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:13.400
<v Speaker 2>names that uh from major religions both historic and modern,

787
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that include you know, cosmic water in their historical makeup.

788
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:20.840
<v Speaker 2>So there's also you know, kind of this idea that

789
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:25.119
<v Speaker 2>within these primordial waters, before creation had even taken place,

790
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.840
<v Speaker 2>that there's still existed gods. You know, I kind of

791
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:32.519
<v Speaker 2>mentioned it before, known as primordials, and these are the

792
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:35.760
<v Speaker 2>gods that that these would be like first generation gods.

793
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Uh So, these primordial gods are the creators of all

794
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:46.199
<v Speaker 2>other gods, right, they play a role. It's often is

795
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:48.119
<v Speaker 2>that my computer doing that?

796
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:49.559
<v Speaker 1>What are you hearing?

797
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Sorry? I didn't I didn't know if you heard that

798
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.719
<v Speaker 2>or not. It keeps beeping. I don't know how to turn.

799
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:58.159
<v Speaker 1>It off though, I don't hear anything all right, sorry?

800
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh so, yeah, So, like I'm not talking about gods

801
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.880
<v Speaker 2>like Zeus or Thor or Nubis or Thronos or the Titans,

802
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:11.440
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know how how you know how big

803
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:14.360
<v Speaker 2>you are into like Nephelum, talk and things like that.

804
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.079
<v Speaker 2>But this is kind of going down those lines. You know,

805
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:20.920
<v Speaker 2>when you think of all these these gods and all

806
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:25.760
<v Speaker 2>these you know, polytheistic religions and mythologies of you you

807
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:27.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of think you have to think of them in

808
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.960
<v Speaker 2>terms of they're all kind of their own nephelum almost right.

809
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 2>This is kind of what Gary Wayne talks about. So

810
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:38.920
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of the way that I took it as

811
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 2>So these primordial gods, they're not they would be you know,

812
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:48.559
<v Speaker 2>first generation, not you know, not like Zeus or Thor

813
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.719
<v Speaker 2>or the ones that I had just mentioned. I'm talking

814
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:55.159
<v Speaker 2>more about like gods like raw or Gaya or Chaos Tartaris.

815
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.079
<v Speaker 2>A lot of Native American and First Nation tribes talked

816
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.880
<v Speaker 2>about the Great Spirit. You know, there's there's just too

817
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:08.119
<v Speaker 2>many dimensions. There's there's so many now, like I said,

818
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:09.679
<v Speaker 2>or I don't know if I said this or not,

819
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:11.440
<v Speaker 2>but this is this is really just a theory and

820
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 2>a theory that I'm continuously working on. But from what

821
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I've gathered from talking with people like Gary Wayne and

822
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:22.360
<v Speaker 2>digging into topics like uh, immortal beings like the Fay,

823
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:28.920
<v Speaker 2>like the Tuatha day or the the noon Hind. I

824
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.719
<v Speaker 2>think that it plays a role within the triangle. So yeah,

825
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 2>so I kind of dove into all this this god talk,

826
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, after I had read about this Abanaki creator

827
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:42.760
<v Speaker 2>god and this god's name was Tallbaldak or that that's

828
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:48.239
<v Speaker 2>what we would know him as. Like I said, you know,

829
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:53.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm not an indigenous tribe member, so I I just

830
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:54.719
<v Speaker 2>want to I really want to point that out. You know,

831
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily know exactly what I'm talking about because

832
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:01.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a tribal member, so but what I do.

833
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:10.960
<v Speaker 2>But what I do know is that tallball Dac is

834
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:15.920
<v Speaker 2>a creator god that's unique to the Abanaki, and the Abnaki,

835
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:18.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, is one of the tribe that make up

836
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 2>the Wabanaki Confederacy and is considered, you know, one of

837
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.239
<v Speaker 2>these primordials who existed within the chaotic waters, which is

838
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:34.199
<v Speaker 2>described in Abinaki lore as an empty, colorless plane. So

839
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:40.039
<v Speaker 2>the Wabanaki Confederacy, there's five tribes. I think I listed

840
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:43.000
<v Speaker 2>them off further down the line, but the Abnaki is

841
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:44.679
<v Speaker 2>one of those tribes and they kind of make up

842
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:50.519
<v Speaker 2>the you know Native American tribes in Vermont, New Hampshire,

843
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Maine and up into Canada and throughout those tribes. Tabaldac

844
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.760
<v Speaker 2>is really only a creator god to the the Abanaki.

845
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:05.960
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, they say he lives on this mountain,

846
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 2>this Glassonberry Mountain, right. But yeah, you know, like there's

847
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:12.920
<v Speaker 2>just so I can't I can't stress enough how much

848
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 2>there is to read. So I'm really trying to piece

849
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.840
<v Speaker 2>this together as I go. But I don't believe these

850
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.199
<v Speaker 2>these primordial beings were actual gods, you know, creating bits

851
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:25.880
<v Speaker 2>of the world from nothing and then piecing it together

852
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:29.559
<v Speaker 2>like a puzzle. You know. I have pondered that idea,

853
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.280
<v Speaker 2>but obviously that doesn't it does doesn't make a whole

854
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:36.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of sense. I do believe they were powerful beings,

855
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, like the Nephilm or the Fay, who were

856
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:45.000
<v Speaker 2>able to do fantastical things like create life from the

857
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:49.159
<v Speaker 2>natural world or destroy it completely. You know, these are

858
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.360
<v Speaker 2>things that you know, the indigenous people like the Abanaki,

859
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:58.239
<v Speaker 2>had never seen before. But what attribute you know to

860
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 2>these beings being odds?

861
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

862
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:05.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, we have to keep in mind, I don't

863
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:10.159
<v Speaker 2>really know how to put this. Uh. So there's the Abenaki, obviously,

864
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:15.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, this this Wabanaki Confederacy and these these Native

865
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.559
<v Speaker 2>American tribes that we know of today. You know, they've

866
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:21.000
<v Speaker 2>been around for a while. I don't, I didn't, you know,

867
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:23.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know exactly how long, but there were tribes

868
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:28.000
<v Speaker 2>that came before them, right, and so those are the

869
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:32.079
<v Speaker 2>tribes that really interest me. You know, I think a

870
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of the the stories that are passed down through

871
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:41.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, these tribes over these years, they originate from

872
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:45.800
<v Speaker 2>these these preed tribes. I don't, I don't necessarily know

873
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:48.280
<v Speaker 2>what they're called, but you know, these tribes that existed

874
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:54.800
<v Speaker 2>before the Abnaki were actually in place, so there their

875
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.679
<v Speaker 2>stories are essentially stories that have been passed down you know,

876
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:03.119
<v Speaker 2>orally for equally you know, thousands and thousands of years,

877
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:09.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of like how you know, like the Sphinx and

878
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:13.760
<v Speaker 2>the Great Pyramid were probably in Egypt long before the

879
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Egyptians were there, right, you know, but then the Egyptians

880
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:19.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of took took those over claimed them as their own.

881
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.679
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like that, you know, but story wise,

882
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:26.920
<v Speaker 2>and you know, when it comes to like gods and

883
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:33.320
<v Speaker 2>things like that. So the Abenaki who lived around Glastonbury

884
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:36.960
<v Speaker 2>during the last few centuries weren't the same indigenous culture

885
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.480
<v Speaker 2>who lived there thousands of years ago, which is important

886
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:41.920
<v Speaker 2>to know, like I said, especially when it comes to

887
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:45.559
<v Speaker 2>investigating the origins of Tabal Dak and who he actually was.

888
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:50.039
<v Speaker 2>I call it the the Vera Coacha effect. I don't

889
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:51.800
<v Speaker 2>know if you know who Vera Coacha was. He was

890
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:56.480
<v Speaker 2>a pre inc in h He was pre incing as

891
00:53:56.519 --> 00:54:00.199
<v Speaker 2>well as an incin creator god who essentially came from

892
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:03.920
<v Speaker 2>somewhere else. He looked completely different, you know than any

893
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:06.519
<v Speaker 2>other gods or any of the ink and people. You

894
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:12.400
<v Speaker 2>know he had He had pale white skin, he had

895
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:16.119
<v Speaker 2>a beard. You know, he carried books they didn't have.

896
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:18.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's there's carvings of him and they looked

897
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:21.760
<v Speaker 2>like he's holding books. You know, they they didn't have

898
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:28.679
<v Speaker 2>books back then. Uh So, I kind of it's almost

899
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:31.599
<v Speaker 2>like the same thing. We don't necessarily need to get

900
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:34.719
<v Speaker 2>into to uh fear culture. But the story of Verkroacher

901
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:37.280
<v Speaker 2>raises tons of questions for me. You know, is he

902
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.519
<v Speaker 2>a member of the Macal? Did he come from you know,

903
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:43.800
<v Speaker 2>the other world like the Tuatha day or the nonheind?

904
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:45.559
<v Speaker 2>Was he a nephelum? You know, these are all questions

905
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.519
<v Speaker 2>that I think of when I think of of tallball

906
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:51.000
<v Speaker 2>back and where he came from. He's already connected to

907
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:55.519
<v Speaker 2>the old world god uh, gods that are reported to

908
00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:59.440
<v Speaker 2>be you know nephlum if you listen, you know, agree

909
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:04.840
<v Speaker 2>with people like Gary Wayne. And they're also you know,

910
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.840
<v Speaker 2>created through this chaotic water concept. So I took a

911
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:12.679
<v Speaker 2>closer look at the mountain and well, we're thinking, you know,

912
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.119
<v Speaker 2>weird things have been going on for hundreds of years.

913
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:18.679
<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like the most important piece of

914
00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:23.840
<v Speaker 2>lore is the fact that the you know, the Abenaki

915
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:27.320
<v Speaker 2>believed the mountain is cursed in the existence of these

916
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:30.360
<v Speaker 2>man eating rocks, right. I think I kind of breezed

917
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 2>over that subject. But you know, there are stories of

918
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 2>these man eating rocks on the mountain where you you

919
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:38.880
<v Speaker 2>you know the Abanaki talked about and you step on

920
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:42.440
<v Speaker 2>a rock in a certain place and it'll just eat you. Hole.

921
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:48.679
<v Speaker 2>I've always pictured these as as like you know, portals

922
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:53.320
<v Speaker 2>to somewhere else, right, m hm, you know. And these

923
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:56.519
<v Speaker 2>are you know, legends that go back to the original inhabitants.

924
00:55:57.760 --> 00:55:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

925
00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:01.000
<v Speaker 2>And they're the most reliable in my mind. You know,

926
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:05.199
<v Speaker 2>these these the Native American stories, I feel like are

927
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:08.119
<v Speaker 2>more reliable than you know, the stories told by the

928
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:14.559
<v Speaker 2>settlers and things like that. In one of these you know,

929
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:19.039
<v Speaker 2>original mysteries from the mountain that it's not necessarily paranormal.

930
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.400
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of fairly mundane on the surface, but it

931
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:27.639
<v Speaker 2>tends to be left out of the triangle lore. And

932
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:31.280
<v Speaker 2>those are you know, they're stories of these these mysterious

933
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:34.159
<v Speaker 2>stone carns that are on the mountain, you know, the

934
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:37.320
<v Speaker 2>mountain top, so about five hundred feet from the summit,

935
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:41.880
<v Speaker 2>there are these five stone carns. Now, a stone carn

936
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:46.360
<v Speaker 2>is kind of like a bunch of stacked stones, you know. Uh,

937
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:50.119
<v Speaker 2>But these specific carns, they're nothing like the stack stones

938
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:52.920
<v Speaker 2>that you see by the river. There's something like that,

939
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:56.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, rock gardens or whatever people make. These carns

940
00:56:56.239 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 2>are are short and wide, but they clearly mark something

941
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:03.679
<v Speaker 2>and it's not a trail. A lot of people think that,

942
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:07.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, these cars were marking trails of some sort.

943
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:14.360
<v Speaker 2>There were no trails to be marked when these were made.

944
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:18.400
<v Speaker 2>You know. Like the collective thought of these these stone carns,

945
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:21.719
<v Speaker 2>by people much smarter than me, obviously, is that they

946
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:27.320
<v Speaker 2>were built for some religious or ritualistic purpose. Now these

947
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:31.119
<v Speaker 2>smarter people are members of like you know, New England

948
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Antiquities Research Association or NERA. Now, these guys have done

949
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.639
<v Speaker 2>scientific evaluations on the carns and have come to the

950
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:44.280
<v Speaker 2>conclusion that they aren't only designed to be ritualistic, but

951
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:48.320
<v Speaker 2>they're also very old, you know, potentially thousands of years old,

952
00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:53.559
<v Speaker 2>so they date back before the Abenaki were there. You know,

953
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:57.280
<v Speaker 2>you can't necessarily date stone, but through moss growth and

954
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:02.320
<v Speaker 2>some I don't know, crazy scientific method, NERO was able

955
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:06.199
<v Speaker 2>to date this collection of five carns. You know, they

956
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:13.239
<v Speaker 2>call them ancient. I'm a pretty big carn guy, you know.

957
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I like there's a lot of weird stone things going

958
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:20.039
<v Speaker 2>on here in New England, right I find them pretty fascinating.

959
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.840
<v Speaker 2>You know where New England is full of mysterious stone structures,

960
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:31.599
<v Speaker 2>one of which which I think could play a role

961
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:34.280
<v Speaker 2>in what's going on in the Triangle is a place

962
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:38.800
<v Speaker 2>near the New Hampshire Sea coast, and it's called America's

963
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Stonehenge or Mystery Hill. You know, it plays a role,

964
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:45.719
<v Speaker 2>at least I think it plays a role in what's

965
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:48.719
<v Speaker 2>going on in the triangle. Kind of going back to

966
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:52.599
<v Speaker 2>the beginning, now, America's Stonehenge is a collection of stone

967
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:56.360
<v Speaker 2>ruins sits on about twelve acres of land in Salem,

968
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:59.639
<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire. This is so this is Salem in the

969
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Hampshire and not Sail in Massachusetts. You know, there's no

970
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:02.840
<v Speaker 2>witches up here.

971
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:05.119
<v Speaker 1>They burn them all.

972
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:11.639
<v Speaker 2>It's not much is known about this place obviously, other

973
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:15.840
<v Speaker 2>than it's about four thousand years old. Maybe you know,

974
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:20.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people think that it's a hoax, you know,

975
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:22.719
<v Speaker 2>like some farmer made it or something. But a lot

976
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:25.360
<v Speaker 2>of people, you know, we have all sorts of stone

977
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:29.119
<v Speaker 2>structures here in New England that that people are like, oh,

978
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:32.519
<v Speaker 2>that's a you know, that's a root seller. You know,

979
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:35.920
<v Speaker 2>some farmer made that, or blah blah blah. Even I

980
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:38.760
<v Speaker 2>don't know what where are you from exactly.

981
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm in Indiana.

982
00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:44.000
<v Speaker 2>You guys have like stone walls and things out there.

983
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Not that I'm aware of. There are some places that

984
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:57.360
<v Speaker 1>have like old building ruins or whatever. Right there's there's

985
00:59:57.400 --> 00:59:59.800
<v Speaker 1>a place where I used to work, and we were

986
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:03.159
<v Speaker 1>doing in this highway work and you can see the

987
01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:05.280
<v Speaker 1>old chimney off in the woods. But there was never

988
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:07.199
<v Speaker 1>any road or driveway or anything that is in the

989
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:09.039
<v Speaker 1>middle of this woods. So we always said, it was

990
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:12.400
<v Speaker 1>like an old shiner still or something that they did

991
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:14.760
<v Speaker 1>back in the old days. But it was made of

992
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:17.400
<v Speaker 1>brick and it was still off in the woods. But

993
01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:19.719
<v Speaker 1>you can see somewhat of a foundation, so I'm assuming

994
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:21.320
<v Speaker 1>at one point there had to have been a house

995
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:25.679
<v Speaker 1>or something out there, but it wasn't anything like that.

996
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:27.679
<v Speaker 1>And then there are some places that have like little

997
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:32.079
<v Speaker 1>underground bunker entrances, but I don't know if anyone's ever

998
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:34.719
<v Speaker 1>actually to them.

999
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:39.280
<v Speaker 2>That's really cool because we have places like that too.

1000
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:42.360
<v Speaker 2>They're like they look like you know, they call them

1001
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:45.079
<v Speaker 2>stone chambers here in New England, and I think there's

1002
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:46.960
<v Speaker 2>quite a few in Maine too as well. I talked

1003
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:52.079
<v Speaker 2>with Mark about this a lot. These stone chambers. You know,

1004
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:54.760
<v Speaker 2>nobody knows who made them or what they're for. You know,

1005
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:59.000
<v Speaker 2>all people have all sorts of theories on them, but

1006
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:02.199
<v Speaker 2>they're like, you know, a farmer didn't make this. They're

1007
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:04.159
<v Speaker 2>not made by a farmer. You know. They have like

1008
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:08.440
<v Speaker 2>bee hive ceilings. So these slabs of rocks that weigh

1009
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:11.559
<v Speaker 2>like tons, like I don't even know, thousands and thousands

1010
01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:16.199
<v Speaker 2>of pounds, are like intricate, intricately stacked together to make

1011
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:19.360
<v Speaker 2>these roofs and they're like rooms underground, right, you crawl

1012
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 2>through a little tiny hole. A lot of them are

1013
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:25.440
<v Speaker 2>aligned to like the summer or winter solstice, so that

1014
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:28.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, at the right time, the sun will shine

1015
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.159
<v Speaker 2>through the opening and'll you know, some of these have

1016
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:34.599
<v Speaker 2>like quartz crystals in the back, and the sun will

1017
01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:36.719
<v Speaker 2>hit the courts and it'll light up the whole room

1018
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:39.280
<v Speaker 2>like a farmer. Didn't take the time to make that,

1019
01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:41.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, they they had so much shit to worry

1020
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:44.920
<v Speaker 2>about that they they were not worried about making these

1021
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:50.079
<v Speaker 2>these crazy ass rooms. But you know, signed you know,

1022
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:53.639
<v Speaker 2>archaeologists don't necessarily want to get involved at all, which

1023
01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:58.280
<v Speaker 2>is off. You know, it's weird. Some of them are excavated,

1024
01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:03.719
<v Speaker 2>but nobody really ever to any conclusions about them. But

1025
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:07.679
<v Speaker 2>that's only one thing, right, these stone chambers. We also

1026
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:11.800
<v Speaker 2>have stone walls. Now, I always I never thought anything

1027
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:14.159
<v Speaker 2>about stone walls. Growing up in New England. There's stone

1028
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.360
<v Speaker 2>walls everywhere. There's like three hundred thousand miles worth of

1029
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:21.400
<v Speaker 2>stone walls. And I did you know, Mark does a

1030
01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:24.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff on stone structures, so I did an

1031
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:27.840
<v Speaker 2>episode with him about this. But there was like a

1032
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:30.280
<v Speaker 2>time period. It was like a forty year period where

1033
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:33.679
<v Speaker 2>three hundred thousand miles of stone walls were supposedly built

1034
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.000
<v Speaker 2>to keep in sheep. You know, there was a huge

1035
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.800
<v Speaker 2>sheep boom in New England back in the mid eighteen

1036
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:43.719
<v Speaker 2>hundreds and supposedly all these stone walls were made to

1037
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:47.840
<v Speaker 2>keep the sheep in. But I you know, after what

1038
01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:50.960
<v Speaker 2>that's a lot of sheep. Oh yeah, no, there was,

1039
01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:53.559
<v Speaker 2>like there were more sheep than people in New England

1040
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:57.840
<v Speaker 2>at one point. But you know, after doing the research

1041
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:00.280
<v Speaker 2>on it, I don't necessarily think I believe that there's

1042
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:02.599
<v Speaker 2>just two. You know, the like I'm telling you, there's

1043
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:05.400
<v Speaker 2>stone walls everywhere. Everywhere you look, there's gonna be a

1044
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:09.760
<v Speaker 2>stone wall. But you know, I think it all kind

1045
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:12.760
<v Speaker 2>of plays together at one point, you know, it all

1046
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:15.840
<v Speaker 2>come together. But obviously I don't have the answer for that.

1047
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:19.000
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, anyway, this place is called Mystery Hill. You know,

1048
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.639
<v Speaker 2>it's called they call it America Stonehenge. It's a collection

1049
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:27.000
<v Speaker 2>of underground chambers and stone walls and and blah blah

1050
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:29.719
<v Speaker 2>blah that sit on you know, twelve acres of land

1051
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:35.079
<v Speaker 2>in New Hampshire. You know, there's there's like standing stones

1052
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:42.480
<v Speaker 2>that are kind of in a circle around the main complex.

1053
01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:45.639
<v Speaker 2>I guess you could say, which kind of mark important

1054
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:50.320
<v Speaker 2>days of the year. So it's astronomically aligned. Each each

1055
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:53.639
<v Speaker 2>standing stone kind of aligns to a different you know,

1056
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:57.920
<v Speaker 2>time of the year, and it just kind of you know,

1057
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:02.199
<v Speaker 2>those stones surround these underground chamber and everything. So what

1058
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, what could ancient stone ruins hundreds of miles

1059
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:08.039
<v Speaker 2>away in a completely different state have to do with

1060
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:10.039
<v Speaker 2>a triangle. Well, I think it all comes down to

1061
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:13.800
<v Speaker 2>these these stone carns that are on the mountain. So

1062
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:18.559
<v Speaker 2>I scoured the internet for carns that looked the same

1063
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:21.679
<v Speaker 2>or similar, right, I wanted to see if I could

1064
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:25.440
<v Speaker 2>find out who made these specific carns and if they've

1065
01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:28.760
<v Speaker 2>been made anywhere else. And while there are carns and

1066
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:32.599
<v Speaker 2>standing stones all over the world, like literally there's there's

1067
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:38.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, people make carns everywhere, right, I really didn't

1068
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:42.599
<v Speaker 2>find anything that looked the same, you know, they're always different.

1069
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:48.039
<v Speaker 2>That was until I stumbled across a group, you know,

1070
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:53.559
<v Speaker 2>an ancient culture called the Red Paint people now the

1071
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:57.559
<v Speaker 2>Red Paint people, or an ancient you know culture that

1072
01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:01.920
<v Speaker 2>seemed to thrive along the main seacoast at some time

1073
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:06.159
<v Speaker 2>thousands and thousands zero. You know, not a whole lot

1074
01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:08.360
<v Speaker 2>is known about these people except that they lived between

1075
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:11.880
<v Speaker 2>two and six thousand years ago. They were avid deep

1076
01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:15.280
<v Speaker 2>sea fishermen, and they buried their dead with red and

1077
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:19.159
<v Speaker 2>sometimes yellow ochre, which is where you know they get

1078
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:22.599
<v Speaker 2>their name from. You know, like I said, not much

1079
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:24.760
<v Speaker 2>is known about these people. Their bones I've pretty much

1080
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:28.800
<v Speaker 2>dissolved within the acidic soil, leaving behind only the red

1081
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:31.639
<v Speaker 2>paint in their graves. So that's that, you know, that's

1082
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:35.440
<v Speaker 2>where they get their name from. Uh. I think I

1083
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:37.800
<v Speaker 2>think some bones have been found, but they don't. I

1084
01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:40.199
<v Speaker 2>don't believe they've been able to get any DNA markers

1085
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:42.760
<v Speaker 2>out of them.

1086
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:43.000
<v Speaker 1>That.

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01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:45.119
<v Speaker 2>There are two things that caught my attention, and that

1088
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:49.239
<v Speaker 2>was their advanced knowledge of seafaring and the stone carns

1089
01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:55.800
<v Speaker 2>they left behind, uh, particularly the stone carns at the

1090
01:05:56.159 --> 01:06:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Hurundu Wildlife Refuge in Maine. They're exactly the stain as

1091
01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:07.639
<v Speaker 2>the stone carns on Glassonbury Mountain, you know, which led

1092
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:13.719
<v Speaker 2>me to believe that these ancient seafaring people could have

1093
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:18.519
<v Speaker 2>made you know, the stone carns that are on Glassonbury mountains.

1094
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:21.480
<v Speaker 2>So there's other carns that I know of in this area,

1095
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:25.159
<v Speaker 2>but they don't look anything like the ones on Glassonbury Mountain.

1096
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:29.199
<v Speaker 2>And given the age and given the age of these

1097
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Red Paint people and the fact that we really don't

1098
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:38.079
<v Speaker 2>know anything about them, you know, we don't know, you know,

1099
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:41.440
<v Speaker 2>where they went, what happened to them, why they died out.

1100
01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:43.920
<v Speaker 2>We don't know anything about these people. Like they could

1101
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:48.599
<v Speaker 2>have very well have migrated from the coast Inland, right right.

1102
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:52.760
<v Speaker 2>So now mystery Hill comes into play when we try

1103
01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:55.440
<v Speaker 2>to figure out who the Red Paint people are or were,

1104
01:06:55.920 --> 01:07:01.039
<v Speaker 2>and where they came from. So and U Salem, Salem,

1105
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:05.559
<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire, you know, isn't isn't far away from that

1106
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.079
<v Speaker 2>far away from Maine, you know, the sea coast in

1107
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Maine where these Red Paint people were said to thrive

1108
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:16.880
<v Speaker 2>at least said to thrive, you know, thousands of years ago.

1109
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:22.039
<v Speaker 2>But like I said, a lot of the uh graves

1110
01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:26.199
<v Speaker 2>where these Red Paint people were originally kind of discovered

1111
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:28.800
<v Speaker 2>have been destroyed. There was no bones left. The only

1112
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:32.000
<v Speaker 2>thing there is to mark that they were Red paint

1113
01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:34.480
<v Speaker 2>people were the red paint that was left over. So

1114
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:39.920
<v Speaker 2>most of these these graves were just destroyed when when

1115
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:43.079
<v Speaker 2>settlers were creating farmland. So this is why we don't

1116
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:48.159
<v Speaker 2>know a whole lot about them. So I want to, like,

1117
01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:52.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, back at Mystery Hill or America's Stonehenge, on

1118
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:57.679
<v Speaker 2>a stone within the ruins is an inscription that may

1119
01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:01.559
<v Speaker 2>give insight as to who built America Stonehenge or who

1120
01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the red paint people were. Now it's written in Phoenician,

1121
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:12.039
<v Speaker 2>and it's late uh, and it's dedicated to Ball, you know,

1122
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:17.479
<v Speaker 2>the the the the ancient god. I'm assuming you've heard

1123
01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:18.239
<v Speaker 2>of Ball before.

1124
01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's I don't want to dive a whole lot

1125
01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.760
<v Speaker 1>into it on this show, but like there's a whole

1126
01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:29.000
<v Speaker 1>big thing going on with that right now. Right now,

1127
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:33.000
<v Speaker 1>there's some other shows that have been diving into Ball.

1128
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Really. Yeah, that's fucking weird.

1129
01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Ye, I'll talk to you about it here, all fair.

1130
01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's super weird. So yeah, that that inscription is

1131
01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:54.279
<v Speaker 2>that is that you know Mystery Hill. It's in Phoenician. Now,

1132
01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the Phoenicians, you know, they were this ancient seafaring race

1133
01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:02.479
<v Speaker 2>of you know people that kind of just like went

1134
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:07.520
<v Speaker 2>all over the world pretty much. And another clue that's

1135
01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:11.720
<v Speaker 2>found at Mystery Hill. Mystery Hill deals with one of

1136
01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:14.319
<v Speaker 2>the alignment stone. It's the stone known as the Summer

1137
01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Sunrise stone. So the specific stone is aligned obviously with

1138
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:21.880
<v Speaker 2>the summer equinox. And you can trace a straight line

1139
01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:25.119
<v Speaker 2>from this stone through the center of one of the

1140
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:29.800
<v Speaker 2>triathlons at you know, the actual Stonehenge, and if you

1141
01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:32.920
<v Speaker 2>continue that line, it runs all the way straight through

1142
01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:37.880
<v Speaker 2>to Lebanon or I guess Lebanon, you know, which is

1143
01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:41.520
<v Speaker 2>actually the ancestral home of the Phoenicians. So does this

1144
01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:47.239
<v Speaker 2>actually mean anything, Probably not, but it could. You know,

1145
01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:50.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these ancient people were really dedicated to

1146
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:56.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, this archae astrology and things like that. But

1147
01:09:56.479 --> 01:10:02.439
<v Speaker 2>other evidence, you know, crew includes a Phoenician inscription that

1148
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.199
<v Speaker 2>was found in Maine. You know, there there's a lake

1149
01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:09.600
<v Speaker 2>in upstate Vermont, you know, way up north on the

1150
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Canadian border that borders you know, Vermont and Canada. That's

1151
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:17.920
<v Speaker 2>called memphrom Maygog. You know, that's a very biblical name,

1152
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:23.199
<v Speaker 2>especially when it comes to you know, from a you

1153
01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:25.119
<v Speaker 2>know the name of the lake comes from a pre

1154
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:30.640
<v Speaker 2>existing Abenaki word or I guess saying that means where

1155
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:32.840
<v Speaker 2>there's a big expanse of water. I don't know if

1156
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:34.439
<v Speaker 2>that has anything to do with anything at all. I

1157
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:36.960
<v Speaker 2>have no idea, however, just a fact that it has

1158
01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:42.279
<v Speaker 2>maygog in it, you know, and we're talking about Phoenicians

1159
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:47.279
<v Speaker 2>interests me. Yeah, and how it has to do you know,

1160
01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:51.520
<v Speaker 2>it's a pre existing Abenaki word or name, so it

1161
01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:56.279
<v Speaker 2>was embedded within you know, the the Algonquin speaking family group,

1162
01:10:56.279 --> 01:11:01.840
<v Speaker 2>which is where the Abenaki come from. It's just you know,

1163
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:05.439
<v Speaker 2>i'd mentioned, you know, these ancient tribes that came before

1164
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:07.680
<v Speaker 2>the Abanaki and all these other tribes we know of it.

1165
01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:12.800
<v Speaker 2>It can kind of confusing, I guess, but who knows.

1166
01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:15.760
<v Speaker 1>When it comes to like like the Abanathy, I want

1167
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.760
<v Speaker 1>to call them Abernathy. And I don't know why, Like

1168
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:22.359
<v Speaker 1>I keep thinking that name for some reason. I don't

1169
01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:24.000
<v Speaker 1>even know why. They keep popping in my head every

1170
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:26.399
<v Speaker 1>time you say it's all I can think is Abernathy.

1171
01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:37.319
<v Speaker 1>But for them, do we know whatever? Like what happened

1172
01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:41.279
<v Speaker 1>with them too? Because I know, like most of the

1173
01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:45.279
<v Speaker 1>indigenous peoples, we've all kind of pushed out of there.

1174
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:49.439
<v Speaker 1>But were they was there still any remnants of them?

1175
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's like, yeah, there's there's still like tribe

1176
01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:57.399
<v Speaker 2>members and they have groups and things here, but there's

1177
01:11:57.399 --> 01:12:02.119
<v Speaker 2>no like Abanaki, right right, you know, they kind of

1178
01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:05.800
<v Speaker 2>just like assimilated within you know, the rest of us.

1179
01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:11.720
<v Speaker 1>The area that I live in is Miami Indian is

1180
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:15.199
<v Speaker 1>what they call themselves. So I'm not trying to say

1181
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:18.399
<v Speaker 1>the discriminatory word of Indian, but like they call themselves

1182
01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:21.199
<v Speaker 1>the Miami Indians, and they are the tribes that live

1183
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:23.720
<v Speaker 1>in the area that I live. I live in Miami County,

1184
01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:26.439
<v Speaker 1>which I'm assuming is named after the fact that the

1185
01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:31.479
<v Speaker 1>Miami Indians or preb blunter here. But they're not a

1186
01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:35.479
<v Speaker 1>recognized tribe, which I don't understand how that. I don't

1187
01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:37.600
<v Speaker 1>understand like the politics of any of that of how

1188
01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:42.119
<v Speaker 1>you become a recognized tribe. But forth for here, that's

1189
01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:44.520
<v Speaker 1>what they are. They have their own little area and

1190
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:47.680
<v Speaker 1>it's not a reservation, but they have their own lands

1191
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:50.039
<v Speaker 1>where they do some like horse stuff, and they have

1192
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:53.640
<v Speaker 1>an old school they use for right now, they have

1193
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:58.399
<v Speaker 1>a haunted house going on, so uh, they raise money

1194
01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:01.439
<v Speaker 1>for things, and they do like certain aspects. So again

1195
01:13:01.479 --> 01:13:05.039
<v Speaker 1>they're they're prevalent through here, and I've actually tried to

1196
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:09.279
<v Speaker 1>reach out to one of the people that's part of

1197
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:14.119
<v Speaker 1>the actual he's not an elder, but like he's one

1198
01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:16.079
<v Speaker 1>of the ones that runs the thing. And I never

1199
01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:20.159
<v Speaker 1>gotten a response back about something. But I always feel

1200
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:24.039
<v Speaker 1>like when it comes to like original indigenous people's areas,

1201
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:25.920
<v Speaker 1>they have a lot of stories and a lot of

1202
01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:31.319
<v Speaker 1>folklore and legends that we might write off as just

1203
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:34.840
<v Speaker 1>that stories and folklore, But why do they make that up?

1204
01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:36.399
<v Speaker 1>What influenced that?

1205
01:13:37.319 --> 01:13:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Right?

1206
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, That's where I've always been interested in, is like

1207
01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:44.560
<v Speaker 1>finding out what the actual influence was to why they

1208
01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:46.560
<v Speaker 1>tell the stories that they tell. And for some reason

1209
01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:49.239
<v Speaker 1>there's they don't talk about it. And I understand we're

1210
01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:53.279
<v Speaker 1>not part of the tribe, but I'd always love to

1211
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:55.079
<v Speaker 1>sit down and with some of them just to listen.

1212
01:13:55.960 --> 01:14:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, that's exactly the you know that I've run into,

1213
01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Like nobody wants to talk about this with me. You know,

1214
01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:08.920
<v Speaker 2>I've reached out. I've reached out about several other things

1215
01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:11.680
<v Speaker 2>as well, but they're very at least I've only ever

1216
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:14.359
<v Speaker 2>reached out to, you know, the Abnaki tribe and they're

1217
01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:17.159
<v Speaker 2>very private. You know, I don't know about other tribes,

1218
01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:18.600
<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure it's the same.

1219
01:14:21.119 --> 01:14:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that's the only one I've reached out to,

1220
01:14:22.720 --> 01:14:26.119
<v Speaker 1>is he, like recently where my local one, and I

1221
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:29.079
<v Speaker 1>haven't heard anything back, So maybe someday.

1222
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I do think that

1223
01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:37.279
<v Speaker 2>the stories that they tell are more credible. They have

1224
01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:40.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of credibility behind them, just because they're so

1225
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:43.359
<v Speaker 2>old and well, you know, I don't they talk about

1226
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:46.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of strange things that I don't think that

1227
01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:51.680
<v Speaker 2>they would have just made up right, definitely witnessed something,

1228
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:55.560
<v Speaker 2>And that's kind of what this whole, my whole theory

1229
01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:59.199
<v Speaker 2>is based off of. But it goes deeper than that,

1230
01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:03.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's it kind of hinges on who came

1231
01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:06.119
<v Speaker 2>before the Abanaki were here, is what I'm really trying

1232
01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:10.079
<v Speaker 2>to get at, you know, And I feel like the

1233
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Phoenicians could have very well have been here before the Abanaki,

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01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:16.279
<v Speaker 2>And I'm about to get into why I think that,

1235
01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:20.800
<v Speaker 2>and that, you know, there's a good chance that some

1236
01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:24.439
<v Speaker 2>of them stayed here and they re existed the Abanaki

1237
01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:27.840
<v Speaker 2>and then the Abnaki kind of came in and kind

1238
01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:33.039
<v Speaker 2>of took over from there, you know. Other than you know,

1239
01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:38.039
<v Speaker 2>Lake memphrom Magog or Mystery Hill, you know, other examples

1240
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:39.840
<v Speaker 2>that I have would be like the stone chambers that

1241
01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:43.119
<v Speaker 2>nobody knows anything about who built these stone chambers. Some

1242
01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:46.760
<v Speaker 2>people think they were Phoenicians, some people think they were

1243
01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:51.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, ancient Celtic chambers. You know, there's all sorts

1244
01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:54.760
<v Speaker 2>of different theories on them, as well as the stone walls.

1245
01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:58.399
<v Speaker 2>And then we have like, you know, the Island Royale

1246
01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:03.960
<v Speaker 2>copper mined their copper mind uh, you know, and I think,

1247
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:10.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Copper Harbor ship is like a it's

1248
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:13.800
<v Speaker 2>a carving in Lake Superior and Copper Harbor. There's this

1249
01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:18.239
<v Speaker 2>huge chunk of copper that kind of like I don't

1250
01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:21.279
<v Speaker 2>know how it got there. It got there somehow. But

1251
01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:24.720
<v Speaker 2>on this this this chunk of copper, there's a carving

1252
01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:31.560
<v Speaker 2>of what looks like a Phoenician ship. And I know

1253
01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:36.600
<v Speaker 2>that a sixth century BC replica Phoenician ship sailed from

1254
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:41.439
<v Speaker 2>Tunisia to the Dominican Republic and then the north to

1255
01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:43.960
<v Speaker 2>uh to Florida. So the Phoenicians they could have made

1256
01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:48.840
<v Speaker 2>it this far and the dates they kind of add

1257
01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:51.560
<v Speaker 2>up to these sea people though, so the Phoenicians would

1258
01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:55.960
<v Speaker 2>have been on you know, they would have been very

1259
01:16:56.159 --> 01:17:00.960
<v Speaker 2>near the two thousand year Mark. So some people believe

1260
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:03.880
<v Speaker 2>these these these red paint people existed up to six

1261
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:10.520
<v Speaker 2>thousand years ago, but you know, I really have no idea.

1262
01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:12.760
<v Speaker 2>And if that's the case, then it could not have

1263
01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:18.479
<v Speaker 2>been the Phoenicians. But they were also here as as

1264
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:21.199
<v Speaker 2>early as two thousand years ago, and that definitely fits

1265
01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:26.159
<v Speaker 2>the timeline. So yeah, so, you know, is it possible

1266
01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:30.840
<v Speaker 2>that this mysterious seafaring culture was actually the seafaring culture

1267
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:33.159
<v Speaker 2>that we know about, you know, the Phoenicians. I think

1268
01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:35.960
<v Speaker 2>it's very possible that it could have been the Phoenicians.

1269
01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:41.039
<v Speaker 2>There's lots of it's strange that there's so many, you know, well,

1270
01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:44.039
<v Speaker 2>I guess there's not a ton, but there is a

1271
01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:48.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of Why is there these Phoenician relics? I guess

1272
01:17:48.119 --> 01:17:50.640
<v Speaker 2>you would call them around here? You know, like the

1273
01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Copper Harbor carving or the the ball carving at Mystery

1274
01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Hill or this one in Maine. You know who, why

1275
01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:03.359
<v Speaker 2>why would there be Phoenician things here if they they

1276
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:06.399
<v Speaker 2>weren't here to begin with. I don't think that that

1277
01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:11.000
<v Speaker 2>people are just running around carving Phoenician stuff, you know,

1278
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:15.520
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of years ago as some sort of hoax. So yeah,

1279
01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:18.039
<v Speaker 2>so this this advanced seafaring culture. It fits into the

1280
01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:22.560
<v Speaker 2>two thousand year period. But they weren't the only highly

1281
01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:28.800
<v Speaker 2>advanced ship They were the highly advanced ship builders, which

1282
01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I think plays a role and how they could have

1283
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:34.159
<v Speaker 2>got here, you know, the prevalent colonizer as well as ambition,

1284
01:18:34.600 --> 01:18:37.840
<v Speaker 2>ambitious merchants. You know, they were the first to use

1285
01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:40.119
<v Speaker 2>iron nails in their ship building, as well as the

1286
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:43.159
<v Speaker 2>first to sail around Africa from the Red Sea to

1287
01:18:43.239 --> 01:18:46.840
<v Speaker 2>the Mediterranean, you know, setting up colonies and ports of

1288
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:49.279
<v Speaker 2>trade as you know, as they went. And I think

1289
01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:52.079
<v Speaker 2>it was on this expedition where they kind of you know,

1290
01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:57.920
<v Speaker 2>some of them got lost and sailed to America. So

1291
01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:01.600
<v Speaker 2>there's this theory that you know, Old World, the Old

1292
01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:05.319
<v Speaker 2>World Bronze Age was powered by New World copper and

1293
01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:07.800
<v Speaker 2>it was you know, this need for copper and it's

1294
01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:11.319
<v Speaker 2>incredible value that drove you know, people like the Phoenicians

1295
01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:14.319
<v Speaker 2>to New lands, right, So it would been this search

1296
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:19.039
<v Speaker 2>for copper that drove them to America. So in three

1297
01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:23.760
<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty BC, the Greek historian Theopompus wrote of

1298
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:27.159
<v Speaker 2>a large island west of Gibraltar told to him by

1299
01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:29.640
<v Speaker 2>a Phoenician sailor, you know, was this North America. That

1300
01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:35.000
<v Speaker 2>was one kind of you know, thing that I pulled

1301
01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:37.079
<v Speaker 2>out of of the history books that I thought was

1302
01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:41.399
<v Speaker 2>pretty interesting. But you know, like I said, this is

1303
01:19:41.439 --> 01:19:45.720
<v Speaker 2>all a working theory. So but it does seem to

1304
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:49.279
<v Speaker 2>fit fairly well in my mind. Uh, you know, science

1305
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:52.199
<v Speaker 2>will probably never accept the thought that Phoenicians made it

1306
01:19:52.239 --> 01:19:56.479
<v Speaker 2>to North America. I mean, Vikings built a settlement on Newfoundland, right,

1307
01:19:56.520 --> 01:20:00.840
<v Speaker 2>but they refused to believe that they Vikings could have

1308
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:06.279
<v Speaker 2>made it any farther south. You know, there's tons of

1309
01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:10.119
<v Speaker 2>evidence in Maine or Massachusetts or even you know, even

1310
01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:13.560
<v Speaker 2>South Newfoundland that there were Vikings there, but they still

1311
01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:15.880
<v Speaker 2>refuse to believe that they could have made it any

1312
01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:21.479
<v Speaker 2>further than the tip of Newfoundland. So it's no wonder

1313
01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:26.279
<v Speaker 2>that there's been so much pushback against you know, pre

1314
01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Columbian Phoenician contact. So I guess just a recap really quick.

1315
01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:35.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, we have mysterious mountain the center of the

1316
01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Bennington Triangle. We have Old World God rumored to live

1317
01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:43.680
<v Speaker 2>on that mountain. We have ritualistic stones stacked near the

1318
01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:46.800
<v Speaker 2>summit of the mountain that are thousands of years old,

1319
01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:50.880
<v Speaker 2>centuries older, than the Abenaki or the original settlers. We

1320
01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:54.319
<v Speaker 2>have an unknown seafaring people who could have come from

1321
01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:57.960
<v Speaker 2>the Old World, possibly Phoenicians or maybe even Celtic. You know,

1322
01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:01.760
<v Speaker 2>it's possible the people migrate from the Sea coast to

1323
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Glassonbury Mountain, as the ritualistic Carns would suggest. Is it

1324
01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:12.479
<v Speaker 2>possible that a godlike entity existed on Mount Glastonbury? Those

1325
01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:15.479
<v Speaker 2>are kind of the questions that I've been pondering. Now,

1326
01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:18.439
<v Speaker 2>like I said before, this is a working theory, so

1327
01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm constantly doing research on this. There's probably so much

1328
01:21:22.199 --> 01:21:25.560
<v Speaker 2>more information that I simply just can't access at the time.

1329
01:21:26.119 --> 01:21:29.399
<v Speaker 2>But there's another connection between Maine and the Bennington Triangle

1330
01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:33.760
<v Speaker 2>that deals with another godlike creature. So from what I understand,

1331
01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:39.000
<v Speaker 2>the Wabanaki Confederate consists of five tribes, the Malasey, the

1332
01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Macaque or the Micmac the Pastege this one's difficult, the

1333
01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:51.439
<v Speaker 2>past and mcquaddie, the panob Scott, than the Abanaki. So

1334
01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:54.560
<v Speaker 2>those are the five tribes of the confederation. And out

1335
01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:58.199
<v Speaker 2>of those five tribes, the panob Scott and then Abanaki

1336
01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:02.000
<v Speaker 2>share very similar beliefs. And it comes to Tabaldac versus

1337
01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:05.520
<v Speaker 2>the Great Spirit. So the majority of the confederation believe

1338
01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:09.760
<v Speaker 2>in the Great Spirit being the Creator God, while the

1339
01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Abanaki and the Panobscot, which are from Maine, you know,

1340
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:20.680
<v Speaker 2>southern Maine, believe in Tabaldak being the Creator God.

1341
01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1342
01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:26.159
<v Speaker 2>But other than believe, you know, believing in Talbaldak, these

1343
01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:32.520
<v Speaker 2>two tribes tell stories of a god preacher named Themola.

1344
01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:36.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, this is the thunderbird like Kaimera, with the

1345
01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:40.840
<v Speaker 2>ability to control the winds, that resides on a you know,

1346
01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:44.439
<v Speaker 2>this mountain. It's the tallest mountain in Maine called Mount Catatan.

1347
01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:51.840
<v Speaker 2>So this this this thunderbird God. You know, it as

1348
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:54.159
<v Speaker 2>the head of a moose, the body of a man,

1349
01:22:54.880 --> 01:22:57.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, and the wings and claws of an eagle.

1350
01:22:57.880 --> 01:23:00.560
<v Speaker 2>And it's described in the story, you know, in the

1351
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:04.239
<v Speaker 2>legends as being the pet of tallball deck. It's also

1352
01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:08.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of sounds an awful lot like one

1353
01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:11.640
<v Speaker 2>of the Nephilum that Gary Wayne talks about. You know,

1354
01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:16.600
<v Speaker 2>he suggests that that Nephilum survived the flood and that

1355
01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:19.399
<v Speaker 2>there were different, you know, different tribes of Nephilum that

1356
01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:25.119
<v Speaker 2>looked different right there. You know, there's eagles, there were lions, uh,

1357
01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:29.760
<v Speaker 2>you know rams and and and bulls. You know, these

1358
01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:32.279
<v Speaker 2>these nephilom that kind of looked like you know, eagles

1359
01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:34.399
<v Speaker 2>and rams and things like that, and that they kind

1360
01:23:34.439 --> 01:23:39.079
<v Speaker 2>of kind of spread out throughout the world. There wasn't

1361
01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:42.520
<v Speaker 2>just they didn't just stay within the Holy land. So

1362
01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I did, you know, I did some research on the

1363
01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:49.399
<v Speaker 2>one from Japanese Low. This is just a side thing.

1364
01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:52.039
<v Speaker 2>I did some research on the one, and I'm pretty

1365
01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:56.520
<v Speaker 2>sure that the one, which are you know, demon like

1366
01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:01.840
<v Speaker 2>giants of Japanese law, I'm pretty sure the one or Nephilum. Right,

1367
01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:05.039
<v Speaker 2>they talk about them having six fingers, like the nephilum.

1368
01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:07.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, you can only kill them if you cut

1369
01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:10.560
<v Speaker 2>off their heads. Now, this is all like when you

1370
01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:12.439
<v Speaker 2>talk about the Nephilm. You talk about how you have

1371
01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:15.159
<v Speaker 2>to cut their heads off, how they had six fingers,

1372
01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:17.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, things like that. So you know, it's just

1373
01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:23.319
<v Speaker 2>another example of how they how they spread throughout the world.

1374
01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:27.800
<v Speaker 2>So you know, when you think in those kind of terms,

1375
01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:33.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, this, this this Pamola being sounds an awful

1376
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:34.880
<v Speaker 2>lot like one of the nephilum.

1377
01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1378
01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Now, if Pamola is a nephilim, what is tallball deck right,

1379
01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's the main question I was kind of

1380
01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:44.880
<v Speaker 2>getting at. Common sense would dictate that tall Ball Deck

1381
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:48.319
<v Speaker 2>is a nephilum as well. Right, Well, I know, uh,

1382
01:24:48.760 --> 01:24:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I kind of dropped a lot of convoluted details. But

1383
01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:54.119
<v Speaker 2>there's one piece I want to drag back to the forefront,

1384
01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and that isn't the inscription found at Mystery Hill in

1385
01:24:58.039 --> 01:25:01.880
<v Speaker 2>the Hampshire. So, like I said on you know, the

1386
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:04.840
<v Speaker 2>stone at the ruins is a Phoenician inscription and the

1387
01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:10.119
<v Speaker 2>inscription says to ball on behalf of the Canaanites. This

1388
01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:17.039
<v Speaker 2>is dedicated, So you know, was Ball transported to this land,

1389
01:25:17.119 --> 01:25:19.560
<v Speaker 2>did he arrive with the others, did he come later?

1390
01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Was he conjured, was something else injured? We'll probably never

1391
01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:26.800
<v Speaker 2>know for sure. But there's one final piece of Mystery

1392
01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:29.039
<v Speaker 2>Hill that I think plays a role and who the

1393
01:25:29.079 --> 01:25:32.119
<v Speaker 2>red paint people could be and what Tallball doc is.

1394
01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:37.279
<v Speaker 2>And this piece is something called the sacrifice sacrificial slab. Now,

1395
01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:40.239
<v Speaker 2>the slab of rock located at the center of the

1396
01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:44.000
<v Speaker 2>complex is relatively human size, as though it was placed

1397
01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:47.359
<v Speaker 2>there to support a body, you know, and that there

1398
01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:51.159
<v Speaker 2>are these these drainage channels carved around the outside to

1399
01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:54.199
<v Speaker 2>allow blood to drain out right, you know, So were

1400
01:25:54.199 --> 01:25:58.840
<v Speaker 2>they sacrificing people at Mystery Hill? You know, if they did,

1401
01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:02.199
<v Speaker 2>the bodies were there, they're long gone now there's you know,

1402
01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:04.439
<v Speaker 2>this was would have been thousands of years ago.

1403
01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1404
01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:09.600
<v Speaker 2>But if they were, you know, what was the point

1405
01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:12.199
<v Speaker 2>of that? Were they making these sacrifices? And Ball's name,

1406
01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:16.640
<v Speaker 2>and if so, to what end? You know? I believe

1407
01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:22.319
<v Speaker 2>that whatever they were pulling from with some sort of

1408
01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:25.760
<v Speaker 2>nephelum like creature. I don't know if it was Ball himself,

1409
01:26:26.359 --> 01:26:29.159
<v Speaker 2>that whoever tall Ball doc is, I think he's some

1410
01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:32.000
<v Speaker 2>sort of old world nephlom that is was you know

1411
01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:36.720
<v Speaker 2>now resides within the Benington Triangle. Uh. You know these

1412
01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:40.239
<v Speaker 2>red paint people. You know, they were worshiping them up

1413
01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:43.560
<v Speaker 2>there at some point. And and now he's just, I

1414
01:26:43.560 --> 01:26:47.640
<v Speaker 2>guess laid dormant until I guess they cut down all

1415
01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:51.119
<v Speaker 2>the trees back in the triangle when they had their

1416
01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:54.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, they were cutting all these trees down to

1417
01:26:54.000 --> 01:27:01.000
<v Speaker 2>to make a charcoal with the kind of woke him up. Maybe,

1418
01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:03.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. This is kind of the theory that

1419
01:27:03.159 --> 01:27:06.159
<v Speaker 2>I've been working with. You know, he was putting off

1420
01:27:06.199 --> 01:27:08.560
<v Speaker 2>some sort of energy that was, you know, they were

1421
01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:12.520
<v Speaker 2>hearing inhuman screams and seeing shadow people in the woods

1422
01:27:12.600 --> 01:27:15.479
<v Speaker 2>and the Abanak. He said this land was cursed, you know,

1423
01:27:16.079 --> 01:27:18.319
<v Speaker 2>So he was putting off some sort of paranormal energy

1424
01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:21.039
<v Speaker 2>at some point. But I think he's really putting off

1425
01:27:21.079 --> 01:27:24.079
<v Speaker 2>some some more energy now that you know, he's kind

1426
01:27:24.079 --> 01:27:29.560
<v Speaker 2>of woken up. I guess that's kind of what I

1427
01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:33.359
<v Speaker 2>have on tall Ball Deck. I mean, I tried to

1428
01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:35.079
<v Speaker 2>put it as much as I could into kind of

1429
01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>like a like a timeline as best as I could,

1430
01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:42.239
<v Speaker 2>but there there was a lot to go there. But

1431
01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:44.760
<v Speaker 2>while I was looking into tall Ball Deck, I came

1432
01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:50.960
<v Speaker 2>across a chemist. Now this is all allegedly, So this

1433
01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:53.680
<v Speaker 2>guy he's dead, he's he's not alive anymore, and I

1434
01:27:53.680 --> 01:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>don't want to soil his good name, So this is

1435
01:27:56.720 --> 01:28:06.319
<v Speaker 2>all allegedly. However, I came across rumors of a secret

1436
01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:11.479
<v Speaker 2>bryonic lab, so they were doing work in cryonics in

1437
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:16.720
<v Speaker 2>it was supposedly inside the mountain, inside this mountain called

1438
01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Mount Equinox, which is you know, a few miles away

1439
01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:25.439
<v Speaker 2>from the Bennington Triangle. And then this doctor Davidson, he's

1440
01:28:25.479 --> 01:28:31.600
<v Speaker 2>connected to like Oak Ridge labs he's connected to. He

1441
01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:36.279
<v Speaker 2>led a team that was pretty much directly under Oppenheimer

1442
01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:40.199
<v Speaker 2>and developing the nuclear bomb. Like this, this dude was

1443
01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:47.000
<v Speaker 2>in some into some serious top secret work. Uh, and

1444
01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I think he could be Now this is all, you know.

1445
01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't want to get in trouble for

1446
01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:54.359
<v Speaker 2>saying this, And I don't know if I can get

1447
01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:57.119
<v Speaker 2>in trouble for saying this or not. But he, you know,

1448
01:28:57.239 --> 01:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>this top secret lab could be behind why those five

1449
01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:09.000
<v Speaker 2>people went missing in the nineteen forties. You know, the

1450
01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:12.319
<v Speaker 2>timelines all at up. Doctor Davidson would have just been

1451
01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:16.159
<v Speaker 2>getting back from Oak Ridge Labs when those first people

1452
01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:21.319
<v Speaker 2>started going missing. He you know, this guy was like

1453
01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:24.680
<v Speaker 2>he definitely had some money. So he bought not eleven

1454
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:28.439
<v Speaker 2>miles worth of this mountain and he built all these

1455
01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:34.680
<v Speaker 2>like he built like a an old. He wanted to

1456
01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>make a ski resort on the mountain, right, so he

1457
01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:39.239
<v Speaker 2>started to build a ski lodge. He built a ski lodge.

1458
01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:44.199
<v Speaker 2>And then see if I can find the dude's name.

1459
01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I want his full name. Well, let me just start

1460
01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:52.720
<v Speaker 2>from the beginning. I guess this won't take very long.

1461
01:29:54.079 --> 01:29:56.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't I'm still kind of piecing this one definitely together.

1462
01:29:57.039 --> 01:30:01.520
<v Speaker 2>But so you know, earlier I had mentioned those several

1463
01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:04.079
<v Speaker 2>people who had gotten missing within the triangle. Now this

1464
01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:07.920
<v Speaker 2>was just a complete mystery during the nineteen forties and fifties,

1465
01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:10.680
<v Speaker 2>but it's still pretty much a complete mystery today. You know,

1466
01:30:10.800 --> 01:30:14.079
<v Speaker 2>only one of them was ever found, even she was

1467
01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:17.399
<v Speaker 2>found several months after. But the rest of them have

1468
01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:20.119
<v Speaker 2>never been found. Nothing has ever been found of them.

1469
01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:24.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe they're they're they're in some sort of

1470
01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:28.880
<v Speaker 2>crevice up there. But I mean, this is this is Vermont.

1471
01:30:28.960 --> 01:30:33.520
<v Speaker 2>It's not like, you know, this mountain's only four thousand

1472
01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:37.760
<v Speaker 2>feet tall. It's not like a fourteen thousand foot mountain, right,

1473
01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:40.720
<v Speaker 2>There's not a whole lot of places that you can

1474
01:30:41.039 --> 01:30:45.680
<v Speaker 2>hide a body for that long. I feel like, especially

1475
01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:51.119
<v Speaker 2>when when the mountain's been scoured and was scoured, you know,

1476
01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:54.000
<v Speaker 2>not long after these people went missing. So I feel

1477
01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:57.399
<v Speaker 2>like if they went missing on accident, like they fell

1478
01:30:57.479 --> 01:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>down or hit their head or something right and rolled

1479
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>into to I don't know, a hole in the ground,

1480
01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:04.920
<v Speaker 2>someone would have found him right now.

1481
01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:06.600
<v Speaker 1>So it is.

1482
01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Still strange that no one has ever found, not even

1483
01:31:10.239 --> 01:31:14.880
<v Speaker 2>one body other than Freedom Langer. But she doesn't necessarily

1484
01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:18.079
<v Speaker 2>count because she was found fairly recently after she went missing.

1485
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:24.399
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, again, So we had Midi Rivers who went

1486
01:31:24.399 --> 01:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>missing on November twelfth, nineteen forty five, PAULA Weldon December first,

1487
01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:32.239
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty six, James Tedford December first, nineteen forty nine,

1488
01:31:32.720 --> 01:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Paul Jepsum October nineteen fifty, and Freedom Langer October of

1489
01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:41.680
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty. So there. You know, like I said earlier,

1490
01:31:41.680 --> 01:31:44.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't like to put a lot of stock in

1491
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:47.760
<v Speaker 2>this serial killer theory, right. I want to talk about

1492
01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:50.800
<v Speaker 2>like these these man eating stones. You know, did one

1493
01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>of these people step on a man eating stone and

1494
01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:56.479
<v Speaker 2>like get transported to another realm or something? You know,

1495
01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:58.159
<v Speaker 2>That's the kind of stuff I want to talk about.

1496
01:31:58.199 --> 01:32:04.279
<v Speaker 2>But then I found doctor Davidson and his secret Chronics Lab,

1497
01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:06.880
<v Speaker 2>and I really got to wondering, you know, where these

1498
01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:12.119
<v Speaker 2>people taken by doctor Davidson to be like, you know,

1499
01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:14.640
<v Speaker 2>test subjects. I don't you know, I don't know this

1500
01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:18.560
<v Speaker 2>was This would have been, if everything adds up properly,

1501
01:32:18.600 --> 01:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>this would have been right around the time when his lab,

1502
01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:25.600
<v Speaker 2>the secret lab, would have been starting off. One thing,

1503
01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:28.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's there's really not like there's not a

1504
01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:30.039
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of evidence of what happened to these people.

1505
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>One thing that does jump out to me is the

1506
01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:36.479
<v Speaker 2>time of year that the different disappearances took place, you know,

1507
01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:40.119
<v Speaker 2>in the fall, between October and December. What this means,

1508
01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. There's really no specific pattern other than

1509
01:32:44.279 --> 01:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>the months they took place, But there are some peculiar facts,

1510
01:32:49.600 --> 01:32:52.920
<v Speaker 2>and that is Paula Weldon and James Tedford are believed

1511
01:32:52.920 --> 01:32:55.960
<v Speaker 2>to have gone missing on the same day December first,

1512
01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:59.840
<v Speaker 2>three years apart, and there's a two week period between

1513
01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:03.159
<v Speaker 2>the disappearance with Paul Jepson and FRIEDA. Langer. In October

1514
01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:07.520
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen fifty four of the five individuals were wearing

1515
01:33:07.560 --> 01:33:12.079
<v Speaker 2>a red jacket of some kind. There are several theories

1516
01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:14.319
<v Speaker 2>of what happened to these people, the most obvious of

1517
01:33:14.359 --> 01:33:17.079
<v Speaker 2>which is a serial killer theory, which, like I said,

1518
01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:20.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily took a lot of stock in until

1519
01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:25.279
<v Speaker 2>I found you know, doctor Joseph George Davidson in the

1520
01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Secret Chronics Lab. Little background. I always like to get

1521
01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:33.079
<v Speaker 2>into the history of things. So doctor Davidson was an

1522
01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:38.920
<v Speaker 2>incredibly successful chemist, inventor and businessman who would end up

1523
01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:43.279
<v Speaker 2>buying eleven square miles of Mount Equinox in Manchester, Vermont

1524
01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:46.399
<v Speaker 2>to retire on. So. She was born on February seventh,

1525
01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:49.720
<v Speaker 2>eighteen ninety two, and would go on to receive his

1526
01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:55.199
<v Speaker 2>doctorate in chemistry from Columbia University University in nineteen eighteen.

1527
01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:58.199
<v Speaker 2>He would then take his doctorate and put it to

1528
01:33:58.279 --> 01:34:03.600
<v Speaker 2>good use for the military. During World War One. As

1529
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:06.600
<v Speaker 2>a first lieutenant in the Army, Davidson would help develop

1530
01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:10.119
<v Speaker 2>mustard gas for the front lines. Like I'm telling you,

1531
01:34:10.159 --> 01:34:15.119
<v Speaker 2>this dude was he did some serious military work, and

1532
01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:19.439
<v Speaker 2>I think that it plays a role in you know what.

1533
01:34:22.279 --> 01:34:24.439
<v Speaker 2>I think his military work definitely plays a role in

1534
01:34:24.760 --> 01:34:29.560
<v Speaker 2>this secret lab. So, but this wouldn't be the only

1535
01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:31.600
<v Speaker 2>time that he collaborated with the army. So, in fact,

1536
01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:36.520
<v Speaker 2>doctor Davison would partake in the biggest scientific breakthrough probably ever. Right,

1537
01:34:36.640 --> 01:34:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Davidson would head Union Carbines contract to produce enriched

1538
01:34:41.760 --> 01:34:46.439
<v Speaker 2>uranium through gaseous diffusion in the K twenty five building

1539
01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:50.239
<v Speaker 2>at oak Ridge Labs under the Manhattan Project. So this

1540
01:34:50.319 --> 01:34:53.399
<v Speaker 2>guy he operated a top secret base, you know, a

1541
01:34:53.439 --> 01:34:58.399
<v Speaker 2>top secret lab out of the topest of top secret orders. Right,

1542
01:34:58.479 --> 01:35:02.399
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't just some grunt pushing switches. You know, this

1543
01:35:02.439 --> 01:35:06.239
<v Speaker 2>guy he was in the know, this guy was in charge.

1544
01:35:07.720 --> 01:35:10.720
<v Speaker 2>I can only imagine how, you know, many connections Doctor

1545
01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:15.399
<v Speaker 2>Davidson would have made in the military industrial complex, you know,

1546
01:35:16.079 --> 01:35:21.840
<v Speaker 2>as team leader of this this diffusion process. And I

1547
01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:24.239
<v Speaker 2>don't think this is the last time Doctor Davidson would

1548
01:35:24.279 --> 01:35:30.760
<v Speaker 2>operate a secret lab. Like I said, so, after the war,

1549
01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:34.439
<v Speaker 2>doctor Davidson would return to Mount Equinox where he would

1550
01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:37.720
<v Speaker 2>begin buying land. You know, he had begun buying land

1551
01:35:37.720 --> 01:35:41.520
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty nine. So where does you know this

1552
01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:46.159
<v Speaker 2>mysterious chronics lab come into play? Well, several years ago

1553
01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:51.439
<v Speaker 2>a cryptic Wikipedia entry just appeared on the website, right,

1554
01:35:51.760 --> 01:35:56.720
<v Speaker 2>and this mysterious entry was about a secret cryonics lab. Now,

1555
01:35:56.760 --> 01:35:59.880
<v Speaker 2>this crime chronics deals with the freezing of human bodies

1556
01:35:59.880 --> 01:36:04.000
<v Speaker 2>and the hopes of you know, reviving them during the

1557
01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:07.359
<v Speaker 2>thawing process, you know, in the future. At some point,

1558
01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:12.039
<v Speaker 2>this specific chronics lab was geared towards working with individuals

1559
01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:16.119
<v Speaker 2>who had high IQs. I haven't been able to find

1560
01:36:16.119 --> 01:36:20.439
<v Speaker 2>the original wiki page as it was eventually deleted, but

1561
01:36:20.720 --> 01:36:25.960
<v Speaker 2>essentially they were bordering on eugenics. This was like eugenic stuff, right,

1562
01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>And while not much is known about it, we do

1563
01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:33.199
<v Speaker 2>know that in the early nineteen sixties this chronics lab

1564
01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:36.319
<v Speaker 2>went bottom up due to some sort of fraud case.

1565
01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:45.079
<v Speaker 2>So even though it's supposedly a secret lab, somehow some

1566
01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:50.520
<v Speaker 2>sort of fraud case was able to to, you know,

1567
01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:56.119
<v Speaker 2>take this whole operation down. I don't know what. I

1568
01:36:56.159 --> 01:36:58.439
<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily know how that works or not, but it

1569
01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:01.039
<v Speaker 2>seems weird. It's you know, it's almost like somebody knew

1570
01:37:01.840 --> 01:37:04.680
<v Speaker 2>about this lab like it and I want to say,

1571
01:37:04.680 --> 01:37:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the military, right, the military knew about this lab and

1572
01:37:07.079 --> 01:37:10.399
<v Speaker 2>maybe something happened, but doctor Davidson pissed them off somehow

1573
01:37:10.600 --> 01:37:12.560
<v Speaker 2>and they kind of cut his funding. I don't know.

1574
01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't exactly know. I mean, but once you you know,

1575
01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:19.399
<v Speaker 2>you you operate a secret lab at at oak Ridge Labs,

1576
01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:22.560
<v Speaker 2>you're you know, you could probably operate another secret lab

1577
01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:25.279
<v Speaker 2>wherever the hell you want, pretty much is what I

1578
01:37:25.319 --> 01:37:28.000
<v Speaker 2>get the feeling. You know, oak Ridge is definitely they

1579
01:37:28.039 --> 01:37:32.680
<v Speaker 2>do some crazy shit there. You know, you hear about like,

1580
01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:36.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, they have a super collider in there and

1581
01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:39.880
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to open portals and things, right, I kind

1582
01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:43.119
<v Speaker 2>of get the feeling that doctor Davidson this this is

1583
01:37:43.239 --> 01:37:46.119
<v Speaker 2>just something that I get the feeling. You know that

1584
01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:49.920
<v Speaker 2>doctor Davidson found one of these man eating rocks at

1585
01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:54.279
<v Speaker 2>some point right and told Oakridge Labs about it. You know, this,

1586
01:37:54.279 --> 01:38:00.039
<v Speaker 2>this this inter dimensional portal, told them about it, and

1587
01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:02.680
<v Speaker 2>then you know, that is how they started working on

1588
01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:07.640
<v Speaker 2>these interdimensional portals within oak Ridge. I don't necessarily know

1589
01:38:07.640 --> 01:38:09.640
<v Speaker 2>if that's true or not, but it you know, it's

1590
01:38:09.640 --> 01:38:13.119
<v Speaker 2>awfully strange how you have this, this oak Ridge Lab

1591
01:38:13.279 --> 01:38:23.319
<v Speaker 2>scientist living right next to these ancient interdimensional portals. It's strange.

1592
01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:28.159
<v Speaker 2>So the the Wikipedia entry also talked about a secret

1593
01:38:28.279 --> 01:38:32.760
<v Speaker 2>entrance located somewhere on the mountain. Now, no one I've

1594
01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:35.479
<v Speaker 2>talked to has ever found it, but I talked to

1595
01:38:35.520 --> 01:38:37.960
<v Speaker 2>several people who think they might have located it on

1596
01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Google Earth. They haven't been able to get out there.

1597
01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:43.079
<v Speaker 2>And look, I've also talked to people from the Historical

1598
01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Society who say they've scoured the mountain for you know,

1599
01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:50.840
<v Speaker 2>this secret lab that you know, but they they nothing

1600
01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:53.000
<v Speaker 2>exists of it, and they don't they don't believe that

1601
01:38:53.199 --> 01:38:57.880
<v Speaker 2>it's real. But we do know that there are caves

1602
01:38:57.920 --> 01:39:00.399
<v Speaker 2>on the mountain that caves that are so deep, like

1603
01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:03.479
<v Speaker 2>the Skinner's Cave. It's a cave on the mountain called

1604
01:39:03.520 --> 01:39:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Skinner's Cave that they hold ice year around. Now I'm

1605
01:39:07.680 --> 01:39:10.039
<v Speaker 2>not saying that means anything, but it could suggest that

1606
01:39:10.079 --> 01:39:13.880
<v Speaker 2>the entrance is in a cave. Right. So doctor Davidson's

1607
01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:17.079
<v Speaker 2>initial plan was to construct a ski resort on the

1608
01:39:17.159 --> 01:39:21.880
<v Speaker 2>mountain and he contemplated this idea. And while he contemplated

1609
01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:25.479
<v Speaker 2>this idea, he built a lodge in a valley near

1610
01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>the summit. And I couldn't get an exact year, but

1611
01:39:29.319 --> 01:39:33.560
<v Speaker 2>it was as early as nineteen thirty nine, Between nineteen

1612
01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:38.199
<v Speaker 2>thirty nine and nineteen forty five. Now, I couldn't get

1613
01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:42.039
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of dates on anything. I had asked

1614
01:39:42.039 --> 01:39:45.319
<v Speaker 2>the Historical Society, but they didn't really know. But from

1615
01:39:45.319 --> 01:39:48.119
<v Speaker 2>what we do know, his friend Fred Paps of PABs

1616
01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Blue Ribbon Brewing Company gave up on his own ski

1617
01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:54.600
<v Speaker 2>resort in East Dorset, which is not too far away

1618
01:39:54.600 --> 01:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>from Manchester, in the nineteen thirties. So Fred Paps convince

1619
01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:04.680
<v Speaker 2>doctor Davidson did not build a ski resort, right, so

1620
01:40:04.720 --> 01:40:08.279
<v Speaker 2>he had built a ski lodge and then he was

1621
01:40:08.319 --> 01:40:10.560
<v Speaker 2>convinced to not build the ski resort, so he gave

1622
01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:13.640
<v Speaker 2>up on that, but the lodge was still there, and

1623
01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:19.359
<v Speaker 2>I believe the lab is located under the lodge. By

1624
01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:23.000
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty seven, he had finished construction on a five

1625
01:40:23.079 --> 01:40:25.560
<v Speaker 2>mile road from the bottom of the mountain to the top.

1626
01:40:26.279 --> 01:40:31.119
<v Speaker 2>By nineteen forty nine, the Skyline Inn was opened. By

1627
01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:35.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty three, Skyline Drive was fully paved. Now this

1628
01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:40.439
<v Speaker 2>is the longest privately owned paved road in the country.

1629
01:40:43.880 --> 01:40:47.399
<v Speaker 2>In the late nineteen fifties, Doctor Davidson would then befriend

1630
01:40:47.680 --> 01:40:52.880
<v Speaker 2>a Carthusian monk named Brother Paul. Brother Paul hadn't yet

1631
01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:55.640
<v Speaker 2>taken his vows, so he was still able to speak

1632
01:40:55.640 --> 01:40:59.640
<v Speaker 2>with doctor Davidson and his wife, and Davidson would end

1633
01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:04.359
<v Speaker 2>up renting his abandoned ski lodge to the order to

1634
01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:07.600
<v Speaker 2>use as their their charterhouse. You know, their their current

1635
01:41:07.720 --> 01:41:13.920
<v Speaker 2>charterhouse was not in a prime location, so they were

1636
01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:17.920
<v Speaker 2>they were you know, Doctor Davidson allowed them to use

1637
01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:22.159
<v Speaker 2>this abandoned ski lodge, you know, as their their charter house.

1638
01:41:22.199 --> 01:41:27.520
<v Speaker 2>So who are the Carthulians, right? The Carthulians And I'm

1639
01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:30.920
<v Speaker 2>totally saying that wrong, That is not I can't pronounce

1640
01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the name Carsousians or something like that, and my, my,

1641
01:41:35.520 --> 01:41:38.960
<v Speaker 2>my backwoods accident does not allow me to say this word.

1642
01:41:40.239 --> 01:41:46.319
<v Speaker 2>The Carthulians are an enclosed Catholic religious order dating back

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01:41:46.399 --> 01:41:48.720
<v Speaker 2>nearly a thousand years. They take their name from the

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01:41:48.760 --> 01:41:55.800
<v Speaker 2>original hermitage constructed in the Shartouche Mountains in UH ten eighty.

1645
01:41:56.720 --> 01:41:59.960
<v Speaker 2>They take a vow of silence particular, practice a unique

1646
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:04.119
<v Speaker 2>ritual called the Carthusian Right, and are famous for the

1647
01:42:04.159 --> 01:42:08.560
<v Speaker 2>wine they make. Now, after several years of friendship, in

1648
01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:13.199
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen sixties, doctor Davidson begins gifting parcels of land

1649
01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:16.319
<v Speaker 2>to the order and they would remodel the abandoned lodge,

1650
01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:21.439
<v Speaker 2>turning it into the Charterhouse of Transfiguration. Now you can

1651
01:42:22.119 --> 01:42:25.079
<v Speaker 2>go to you can't necessarily go to this place today,

1652
01:42:25.319 --> 01:42:27.560
<v Speaker 2>but you can drive up Skyline Drive and you can

1653
01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:32.079
<v Speaker 2>see it. It's still operated. Monks still live there. And

1654
01:42:32.119 --> 01:42:36.560
<v Speaker 2>it just so happens that when they begin construction on

1655
01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:42.159
<v Speaker 2>this Charterhouse, supposedly, you know, the secret Lab goes out

1656
01:42:42.159 --> 01:42:45.960
<v Speaker 2>of business, Isn't that That's a little weird, And that's

1657
01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:48.399
<v Speaker 2>really I mean, I got a lot of speculative stuff

1658
01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:51.079
<v Speaker 2>that I got, but those are really the facts that

1659
01:42:51.119 --> 01:42:54.479
<v Speaker 2>I know about, you know, like this chronics lab is

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01:42:54.520 --> 01:42:57.439
<v Speaker 2>located beneath the charterhouse, is what I believe. It's in

1661
01:42:57.479 --> 01:43:00.600
<v Speaker 2>the perfect location. It's in this you know, remote valley,

1662
01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:04.600
<v Speaker 2>far away from prying eyes. The public aren't allowed there, right,

1663
01:43:05.199 --> 01:43:08.039
<v Speaker 2>the you know, the orders there you can't go necessarily

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01:43:08.079 --> 01:43:10.000
<v Speaker 2>anywhere near it. I think they opened it to the

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01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:13.239
<v Speaker 2>public for one day when when it first opened in

1666
01:43:13.319 --> 01:43:16.319
<v Speaker 2>like the seventies. Yeah, I mean, those are really just

1667
01:43:16.319 --> 01:43:18.760
<v Speaker 2>the facts that I have. Doctor Davidson's you know, dream

1668
01:43:18.800 --> 01:43:21.680
<v Speaker 2>resort may have been some sort of cover for something

1669
01:43:21.760 --> 01:43:24.920
<v Speaker 2>much more sinister, which would have been why the resort

1670
01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:29.760
<v Speaker 2>was never actually finished. Uh, very possible that doctor Davison found,

1671
01:43:30.479 --> 01:43:32.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I said, one of these man eating rocks.

1672
01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:34.600
<v Speaker 2>And I really think this is stupid, but I really

1673
01:43:34.680 --> 01:43:38.399
<v Speaker 2>think this this this man eating rocks, These these injured

1674
01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:41.960
<v Speaker 2>dimensional portals play a role in in you know, doctor

1675
01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Davidson's fascination with the area and does work with h

1676
01:43:46.840 --> 01:43:48.640
<v Speaker 2>oak Ridge Labs.

1677
01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:55.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've heard Oakridge a lot, especially down to Tennessee.

1678
01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I think that's where they're located.

1679
01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Right, it is. And again I don't like to use

1680
01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:06.319
<v Speaker 1>the word synchronicities. But when you mentioned Ball and oak Ridge,

1681
01:44:06.359 --> 01:44:09.079
<v Speaker 1>and there's a whole lot of stuff that's going on,

1682
01:44:09.359 --> 01:44:11.319
<v Speaker 1>and like I said, we can talk about it all

1683
01:44:11.359 --> 01:44:13.560
<v Speaker 1>fair because it's not something that I'm going to talk

1684
01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:17.600
<v Speaker 1>about on here. But uh, yeah, there's just a lot

1685
01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:21.479
<v Speaker 1>of weird stuff, man, a lot of weird simularities. And

1686
01:44:21.520 --> 01:44:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe in coincidences.

1687
01:44:24.680 --> 01:44:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there's a lot of Yeah, a lot

1688
01:44:27.600 --> 01:44:30.680
<v Speaker 2>of coincidence is going on. I think within this whole

1689
01:44:31.560 --> 01:44:33.640
<v Speaker 2>thing that I put together, which is what I really

1690
01:44:33.640 --> 01:44:36.920
<v Speaker 2>piques my interest the most, Like it seems like everything

1691
01:44:36.960 --> 01:44:39.479
<v Speaker 2>comes together in my mind at least I might not

1692
01:44:39.520 --> 01:44:43.239
<v Speaker 2>have been able to convey it properly right like I tried.

1693
01:44:43.560 --> 01:44:47.600
<v Speaker 2>But there is a lot of weird things that kind

1694
01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:51.239
<v Speaker 2>of all come together. It's it's strange mm hm.

1695
01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:55.880
<v Speaker 1>But we can probably wrap this one up. We've been

1696
01:44:55.920 --> 01:44:58.439
<v Speaker 1>going on for almost two hours, so I feel like

1697
01:44:58.479 --> 01:45:00.960
<v Speaker 1>once you get to that two hour more, the audience

1698
01:45:01.039 --> 01:45:03.319
<v Speaker 1>is either asleep or they just don't care at this point.

1699
01:45:04.159 --> 01:45:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's all I got. Anyway, that's it.

1700
01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, before we wrap this one up, I would like

1701
01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:12.680
<v Speaker 1>for you to let everyone know where they can find

1702
01:45:12.680 --> 01:45:14.439
<v Speaker 1>your podcast. And everything else about you.

1703
01:45:15.760 --> 01:45:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, like I said, I was almost cannon. I

1704
01:45:19.199 --> 01:45:24.439
<v Speaker 2>mean we're on you know, all the podcasting platforms, Spotify, Apple,

1705
01:45:25.399 --> 01:45:29.479
<v Speaker 2>you know all that good stuff. We got Facebook page, TikTok.

1706
01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:32.359
<v Speaker 2>I put out some videos on TikTok that I don't

1707
01:45:32.399 --> 01:45:35.840
<v Speaker 2>do on the podcast, you know, so it's always interesting

1708
01:45:35.880 --> 01:45:38.000
<v Speaker 2>to go there. Other than that, I mean you could

1709
01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:42.439
<v Speaker 2>pretty much find us on any social media platform that's available.

1710
01:45:42.840 --> 01:45:44.920
<v Speaker 1>So you say that TikTok has helped you.

1711
01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was through TikTok that I was able

1712
01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:53.279
<v Speaker 2>to get into the State Park. Like I made a

1713
01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:56.640
<v Speaker 2>TikTok video on the State Park and then they called

1714
01:45:56.640 --> 01:46:00.079
<v Speaker 2>me up and we're like, hey, come here and do

1715
01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:02.840
<v Speaker 2>you know do a ghost on or something? Right? So,

1716
01:46:03.000 --> 01:46:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, other than that, probably not.

1717
01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:09.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't do TikTok. I don't do. I hate social

1718
01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:11.640
<v Speaker 1>media in general for the most part. I have a

1719
01:46:11.680 --> 01:46:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Facebook that I use, but other than that, I don't

1720
01:46:13.800 --> 01:46:17.439
<v Speaker 1>try and surround with too much of it. And everyone's

1721
01:46:17.439 --> 01:46:19.000
<v Speaker 1>to keep saying, oh, you gotta need to get a TikTok,

1722
01:46:19.039 --> 01:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>you gotta get a TikTok that I don't want to

1723
01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:25.399
<v Speaker 1>do it. I have one, but I don't utilize it. So,

1724
01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:28.039
<v Speaker 1>and I don't have video clips for the interviews that

1725
01:46:28.079 --> 01:46:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I do with people either because obviously we're not on

1726
01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:31.399
<v Speaker 1>camera right now. So for me, it's like what am

1727
01:46:31.439 --> 01:46:33.399
<v Speaker 1>I supposed to be doing for TikTok?

1728
01:46:34.039 --> 01:46:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Right? Yeah, same goes through me. I don't. I don't

1729
01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:38.560
<v Speaker 2>do video clips either, so it's really just stuff that

1730
01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:43.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, click things I've researched. But I mean, isn't

1731
01:46:43.159 --> 01:46:46.199
<v Speaker 2>TikTok being closed anyway? So it's like I joined late,

1732
01:46:46.479 --> 01:46:49.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's not really much to gain. I get

1733
01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:53.960
<v Speaker 2>like maybe a thousand views per video, but you know,

1734
01:46:54.079 --> 01:46:56.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily think any of them then go to

1735
01:46:56.840 --> 01:46:58.159
<v Speaker 2>the podcast.

1736
01:46:57.680 --> 01:46:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Right, No, I think.

1737
01:47:01.960 --> 01:47:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Who watch videos aren't necessarily going to listen to podcasts,

1738
01:47:05.840 --> 01:47:07.680
<v Speaker 2>you know. So, and I don't have a YouTube I

1739
01:47:07.680 --> 01:47:09.920
<v Speaker 2>mean I do. I put YouTube videos up, but I

1740
01:47:09.960 --> 01:47:13.399
<v Speaker 2>can't figure out the damn algorithm, right, Like, none of

1741
01:47:13.399 --> 01:47:16.800
<v Speaker 2>my view videos on YouTube get any views.

1742
01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Mind own either. And I've got over almost thirteen hundred subscribers,

1743
01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:24.399
<v Speaker 1>and I get like maybe twenty to thirty views per episode, right.

1744
01:47:24.319 --> 01:47:28.359
<v Speaker 2>So I try. Yeah, I don't do much video stuff either, but.

1745
01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:31.079
<v Speaker 1>My stuff's been banned a couple of times. So I

1746
01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:33.439
<v Speaker 1>feel like because of the topics that get discussed, they've

1747
01:47:33.479 --> 01:47:37.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty much throttled my show. Right. I had a flat

1748
01:47:37.720 --> 01:47:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Earth episode, which I'm not really a flat Earth or

1749
01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>anything like that, but one of the first episodes I

1750
01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:44.840
<v Speaker 1>did was a flat Earth episode talking with this guy

1751
01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:49.159
<v Speaker 1>that's very well known within the flat earth community, and

1752
01:47:49.239 --> 01:47:54.600
<v Speaker 1>it got twenty something or it's like two thousand of

1753
01:47:54.720 --> 01:47:58.239
<v Speaker 1>something views within twenty four hours. And ever since then,

1754
01:47:58.319 --> 01:48:04.800
<v Speaker 1>my YouTube is just been like non existent. Yeah, and

1755
01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:06.880
<v Speaker 1>tell me you don't throttle things by tell me you

1756
01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:08.000
<v Speaker 1>don't throttle things.

1757
01:48:09.159 --> 01:48:11.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I mean, I've teamed up with YouTubers like

1758
01:48:11.439 --> 01:48:15.319
<v Speaker 2>I've had, you know, I've done episodes with YouTubers, but

1759
01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:18.199
<v Speaker 2>I still can't figure out the algorithm. I mean, and

1760
01:48:18.239 --> 01:48:20.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily spend a lot of time on that

1761
01:48:20.279 --> 01:48:24.319
<v Speaker 2>that shit either, Like I you know, I don't. I

1762
01:48:24.439 --> 01:48:26.520
<v Speaker 2>just do the content. I don't read about how to

1763
01:48:26.600 --> 01:48:30.760
<v Speaker 2>fucking get people to you know, how to take advantage

1764
01:48:30.760 --> 01:48:31.600
<v Speaker 2>of the algorithm. I don't.

1765
01:48:31.640 --> 01:48:32.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't do that.

1766
01:48:32.199 --> 01:48:34.039
<v Speaker 2>I need someone to do that for me because I

1767
01:48:34.079 --> 01:48:34.760
<v Speaker 2>have no idea how.

1768
01:48:34.680 --> 01:48:36.720
<v Speaker 1>To do it. So I'll say, if I get to

1769
01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:38.560
<v Speaker 1>the point in life where I can hire an assistant.

1770
01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna hire someone to be my TikToker or whatever.

1771
01:48:41.079 --> 01:48:42.960
<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, exactly.

1772
01:48:44.199 --> 01:48:46.159
<v Speaker 1>All right, Nick, It's been a pleasure talking with you.

1773
01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:48.920
<v Speaker 1>For anyone out there listening, make sure to check out

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01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:54.319
<v Speaker 1>next podcast Almost Cannon, and then it should be available

1775
01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:57.039
<v Speaker 1>wherever you listen to Tin foil Tel's at So again,

1776
01:48:57.119 --> 01:48:59.319
<v Speaker 1>thanks to Nick and thanks for listening. We're gonna wrap

1777
01:48:59.319 --> 01:49:06.880
<v Speaker 1>this one up so night. If you would like to

1778
01:49:06.920 --> 01:49:09.039
<v Speaker 1>be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to send an

1779
01:49:09.039 --> 01:49:12.039
<v Speaker 1>email to Tenfoil Tells Podcast to gmail dot com, or

1780
01:49:12.079 --> 01:49:14.600
<v Speaker 1>you can also go to tenfoiltales dot com and go

1781
01:49:14.640 --> 01:49:16.800
<v Speaker 1>to the contact section. Just make sure to reach out

1782
01:49:16.800 --> 01:49:18.079
<v Speaker 1>and get a hold of me and we will get

1783
01:49:18.119 --> 01:49:20.399
<v Speaker 1>something to schedule for a future episode. You can also

1784
01:49:20.439 --> 01:49:23.600
<v Speaker 1>find tenfoil Tales on Facebook and Instagram. Just look for

1785
01:49:23.640 --> 01:49:26.600
<v Speaker 1>tenfoil Tales podcast and reach out to me that way too.

1786
01:49:27.000 --> 01:49:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Remember to share the show around. Word of mouth is

1787
01:49:29.159 --> 01:49:31.199
<v Speaker 1>the best way to help the show grow, and just

1788
01:49:31.279 --> 01:49:34.199
<v Speaker 1>remember truth comes at cost. Are you willing to pay

1789
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<v Speaker 1>the price