1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Coming to you from Iconic Studio, a at proven winners, 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,199 Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified radio 3 00:00:10,599 --> 00:00:14,839 podcast and YouTube show with Stacey Hervella, me, Rick Weist, 4 00:00:14,919 --> 00:00:19,000 and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, the trees 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,239 are going to take some much deserved time off and 6 00:00:21,559 --> 00:00:26,839 we will benefit fall color. My favorites have always been 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:32,479 maples and dogwoods, it Ta and fother Gia which Hazel's 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,240 a favorite of mind and of course gink O. I 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,960 love Ginko trees, Viburnham, service berry, oak leaf, Hydrangea and 10 00:00:41,079 --> 00:00:44,840 many more as favorites for fall color. And there's many 11 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,479 great choices. As a matter of fact, Stacey, I think 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,799 I have a new fall color favorite. Kodiak Orangevella. 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: Oh, great choice. That's a great class. 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,799 Speaker 1: Just beautiful and also Spice Girl Korean Spice Viburnham. That 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,799 would be Viburnham CARLICII. Right, yep, nailed it. I'm hot already. 16 00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:08,000 It's a standout choice for adding spectacular fall color to 17 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:10,959 your landscape. And we love our fall color. It's a 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,640 magical time of the year. One of my favorite fall 19 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:18,159 color spots is Lake of the Clouds, it's in the 20 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,280 Porcupine Mountains Wilderness State Park in Michigan. Way up there 21 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,040 in the up you can see the fall color from 22 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,840 dramatic cliffs. If you're watching on YouTube, you can see 23 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,439 some of the pictures that I took, or will put 24 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,599 them in our shown notes. But Stacy, everybody has their 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,519 favorite fall color spot. 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: I would think, I mean, I don't, No, I don't 27 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,519 like I wouldn't say that I have one particular spot 28 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,760 because it's kind of just like wherever, you know, wherever 29 00:01:48,799 --> 00:01:51,200 I'm going. Yeah, but I do have a favorite fall 30 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:52,000 color tree. 31 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: You do. 32 00:01:52,519 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sugar maple. 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be sugar got to be sugar mapole. 34 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,640 The star of northeast US. The color is sugar maples 35 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:06,239 than the backbone of New England's stunning fall foliage. And 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:11,719 they're talking about its distribution possibly moving further north due 37 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:15,639 to climate change over the next century. So that would 38 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,319 be let's see if I get this right, Stacey, Acer sacarum. 39 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,319 That's correct, close enough. 40 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:23,719 Speaker 2: Yes, and not to be confused, even though this is 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,199 very confusing with Acer saccharinum, which is the silver maple. 42 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,840 I don't know why taxonomists did this to us. They 43 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,560 must hate us. So acer saicarum, sugar maple good, acersaccharinum 44 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:37,080 silver maple bad. 45 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,759 Speaker 1: Got it? Got it? 46 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: Well? 47 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: I love sugar maples. I mean, think about maple syrup, 48 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,280 and of course the fall color. But it's claim to 49 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,599 fame actually because of its tight grain and light color. 50 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:52,919 It's the kind of wood that makes up twenty nine 51 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,800 of the thirty NBA hardwood basketball courts. That's what they 52 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:58,360 make basket. 53 00:02:58,439 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: I did not know that that is interesting. 54 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go. Now it's somewhat autumnated. Did 55 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:05,840 you see what I did there? 56 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: Well, I read it first, so I had at. 57 00:03:08,759 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: I know I had it here in my notes. The 58 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,960 timing of color production is quite consistent from year to year, 59 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,000 although unusual weather patterns can affect it, diminish or advance timing. 60 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:22,560 Of course, this past year we dealt with some drought. 61 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:28,560 We want sunny days and chili nights to get the 62 00:03:28,759 --> 00:03:32,520 anto cyanins. That's the red color. I mean, I think 63 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,000 it's it's pretty predictable. We're going to get great yellows 64 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:42,840 and oranges, but that antho cyanin pigment creates the reds. 65 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,199 And if we get rainy and windy weather, it could 66 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,199 affect the color, okay, So we're looking for sunny days 67 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:54,479 and chilly nights and that will bring out that pigment. 68 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Of course, we love anthocyanins. Anto cyanins are found in 69 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,159 lots of foods like blueberries and grapes, supposed to be 70 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,240 really good for you. You can get your antho cyanins 71 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,520 from a good glass of red wine. So it's a 72 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:08,520 great fall color. 73 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: Thank goodness for the anthocyanins. 74 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: I love it now. Chrysanthemums are to fall what turkeys 75 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:21,519 are to Thanksgiving. Fall combinations now have become very very popular, 76 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,680 and I've been hearing more and more people, for example, 77 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:30,800 using supertunias in fall combinations because petunias are somewhat light 78 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:35,240 frost tolerant. So it's a great, a great thing to do. 79 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,920 And I like fall color in my perennials too. Hu 80 00:04:37,959 --> 00:04:43,240 karas like the adulce toffee tart and fall in love sweetly. 81 00:04:43,439 --> 00:04:44,879 Japanese anemonies. 82 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: I love Japanese and eemonies are so pretty. They can 83 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:51,639 be a bit rambunctious, but you know, if you put 84 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:53,399 them in the right spot, and they don't really make 85 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:55,319 a pest of themselves. You're so grateful for them because 86 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,120 those flowers are so unbelievably pretty, so abundant. I mean, 87 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,120 it's like a no rainer kind of plant. If you've 88 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,240 got the right spot for it, you're right rambunctious. 89 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,879 Speaker 1: They have a rhizotomous type of root. They look delicate, 90 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:10,399 but they're very, very tough. And who needs friends when 91 00:05:10,439 --> 00:05:12,439 you've got anemonees. 92 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: Well, you'll need friends because you're going to want to 93 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,079 split them up and share them inspired the wealth around, 94 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,040 so you will need friends. 95 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: In fact, there you go, And I love autumn crocus. 96 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,240 It's not a true crocus. It's culture cum, a group 97 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,560 of fall flowering bulbs in the lily family. Other names 98 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,639 for these plants include meadow, saffron, Naked Lady, and of 99 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,519 course culture com. 100 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: Well. Culture cooms are really such an amazing plant because 101 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:40,079 they're not a plant that you a color that you 102 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,759 expect to see in fall. They have this like really 103 00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:46,480 crazy pastel kind of color. But the trick with culture coms, 104 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:49,759 especially coming off the heels of our bulbs show, is 105 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,360 that they are fall planted fall bloomers. Yes, so most 106 00:05:53,439 --> 00:05:55,000 things that are going to plant are going to bloom 107 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,480 later in the season. You're planting in spring like Lily's 108 00:05:57,519 --> 00:06:00,879 and that kind of thing. Whereas culture cum, you're only 109 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:02,319 going to find it in the fall. You're going to 110 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,240 plant it, it's going to flower, and then it puts 111 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,720 out this really ugly foliage in the spring. They get 112 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,959 super ratty looking, but you got to put up with it. 113 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,079 But it's worth it because when that comes back in fall. 114 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,879 And you know, that's why they call them naked ladies, 115 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,680 is because there is nothing and then all of a sudden, 116 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,120 you go out one morning and there's this purple flower 117 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,560 and you're like, what, I totally forgot a planet this there. 118 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,920 They're an amazing thing, but they are a plant, I 119 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,000 think for savier gardeners who know to look for them 120 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:30,199 and to plant them in fall. So kind of a 121 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,959 little tricky little trick there to enjoying good culture comes. 122 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:38,079 Speaker 1: And in fall, like you said, blooming with the I'm 123 00:06:38,079 --> 00:06:42,439 going to call it easter colors. Yes in fall, and yes, 124 00:06:42,519 --> 00:06:45,079 if you can find them. Sometimes in garden centers you'll 125 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:48,720 find them blooming on display right if they haven't been 126 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,800 cared for, cooled properly. But certainly a great plant to 127 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:53,959 add to your landscape. 128 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: So say something else interesting about culture. Yeah, so a 129 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,360 lot of people don't realize this, but a chemical derived 130 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:06,040 from culture culture keene is the original plant mutator chemical 131 00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:09,199 that they used to induce mutations in plant breeding. So 132 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,199 there's been a lot of changes since then, but it 133 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,800 was really the extract from colchicum that was one of 134 00:07:13,839 --> 00:07:16,160 the first things they could treat seed and so forthwith 135 00:07:16,279 --> 00:07:18,680 to try to induce the mutations that would bring about 136 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:20,560 new colors, new forms, all. 137 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:24,399 Speaker 1: That kind of stuff that's fascinating, that is really cool. Well, 138 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,240 we get inspired by fall color, and I get inspired 139 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,759 to write a limb of rick. So here it comes, 140 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:33,920 whether you're ready or not. Colors that compel a visual 141 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:37,480 ground swell. Fall color is the buzz. We love it 142 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:43,759 just because falls. Well that ends well, so growing season, goodbye. 143 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,800 The winter Season's nine, So start the coffee debate. Pumpkin 144 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:54,319 flavor to celebrate. Nope, no more, mister spice guy, I'm 145 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,519 not into pumpkin spice. Are you do you like pumpkin spice? 146 00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:02,319 Speaker 2: You know, I like this spice. This is that accompany 147 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:04,680 that kind of thing, But no, I do not wish 148 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:05,959 to have pumpkin in my coffee. 149 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, same here, same here, all right, Well, for more 150 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:13,759 color in fall. Of course, we appreciate and enjoy asters. 151 00:08:14,639 --> 00:08:19,399 I mentioned before mums and asters are just like mums. 152 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,560 I believe it's important to set on your schedule to 153 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:27,839 pinch those guys in spring into early summer so they're shorter, 154 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:32,720 squattier and full of flour. In fall, pansies and viola's 155 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,519 of course, crab apples and their fruit. Wow, what great 156 00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:41,279 fall color, and of course dogwood fruit also. Now with pansies, 157 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,840 remember the roots cannot absorb water from frozen soil, so 158 00:08:45,919 --> 00:08:49,799 they will overwinter. But I have found that pansies perform 159 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,440 really well in the north where we get snow covered. 160 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:52,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. 161 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,799 Speaker 1: When you don't get snow cover, sometimes you can lose 162 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,759 the pansy beds because that snow is. 163 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah and dry out. 164 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's insulating for the pansies. So there's many 165 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:07,960 wonderful ways to add great color. And of course we 166 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:13,120 have ornamental kale and cabbage, swiss charred, a variety of plants. 167 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,519 And again, Stacy, I see more and more in garden centers, 168 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:22,159 in greenhouses, combination planters. I'm seeing more of that instead 169 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,000 of just chrysanthemal. 170 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know what else has become really popular 171 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,679 over the last several years is the ornamental hot peppers. Yes, 172 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,440 those are very cool to see because those bring a 173 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,039 lot of color and people always say, can I eat them? 174 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:37,799 And I mean the answer to that is, I guess 175 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:41,200 if you want. They're not usually developed for flavor, so 176 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,240 a lot of times, you know, what's the breeding goal? 177 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,080 These were developed for color and containers. They might not 178 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,720 be the tastiest pepper. They might be extremely hot, they 179 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:51,440 might be extremely mild. But yes, in theory, if you 180 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,120 are sure that it is a pepper and not. You know, 181 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:56,320 I don't think they even sell those Jerusalem cherries anymore. 182 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,480 I remember those back in the day. Yeah, oh yeah, 183 00:09:59,159 --> 00:10:05,039 it's a long time out. Oh but that's another new 184 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,600 cool thing that you see around. 185 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,919 Speaker 1: We'll see what colorful plant Stacy has to share with 186 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,840 us in Plants on Trial. That's coming up next here 187 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:16,480 on the Gardening Simplified. 188 00:10:15,799 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: Show, Prooven Winners Colored Choice Shrubs cares about your success 189 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:27,000 in the garden. That's why we trial and test all 190 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,519 of our shrubs for eight to ten years, making sure 191 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,360 they outperform everything else on the market. Look for them 192 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:37,720 and the distinctive white container at your local garden center. Greetings, 193 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,759 gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, 194 00:10:40,799 --> 00:10:43,399 where the order of the day is fall color. You're 195 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:45,879 seeing it, We're seeing it. You can't go anywhere without 196 00:10:45,919 --> 00:10:49,600 seeing it. And you know, of course you've got flowers. 197 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,080 We haven't talked a lot about flowers that are colorful 198 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:53,639 in fall. But you know, one thing when you're talking 199 00:10:53,639 --> 00:10:56,519 about moms and astors and all of that in the 200 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,480 previous segment, are you familiar with the perennial Sheffield mums? 201 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: Sheffield mums, I've heard of it, not. 202 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they are a fall perennial. This is not 203 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,200 today's plant on trial. But I did want to get 204 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,480 this out because you were talking about like how people 205 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,480 over winter try to grow their regular decorative mums as perennials, 206 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:16,639 and in many cases that is possible. I think that 207 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,480 increasingly a lot of the varieties that they are selling 208 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,559 at the market are just not suited to growing year round, 209 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,000 so people try to overwinter these things grow them permanently 210 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 in their garden, and it is possible. But Sheffield mums 211 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:33,080 are true perennials, and they have like a daisy kind 212 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:36,919 of shape, a pale pink kind of nice, almost fern 213 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:42,080 like foliage, and the most beautiful fragrance. And these are 214 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:47,159 true perennials that will actually spread quite nicely in your garden. 215 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,720 And this is another one, like when we were talking 216 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:51,480 about bulbs, when we were talking about fall berries. You know, 217 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:53,879 these are plants that typically suffer from the fact that 218 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:56,159 they don't look like much when the majority of people 219 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,799 are in the garden. So it's a good idea to 220 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:01,159 take note of these things. Now, in fact, you might 221 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,519 still be able to get them in the garden center 222 00:12:02,519 --> 00:12:04,519 because now they're like, well, people might actually buy these 223 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,440 since they're covered in flowers. But I would say Sheffield 224 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,480 moms are a perennial that you should definitely keep an 225 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,840 eye out for and consider adding to your garden if 226 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,399 you're looking for more flower color in fall in your garden. 227 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:17,960 See they're nice. 228 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:20,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're nice, And I just looked them up. 229 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,000 They're very nice and you can buy them in a 230 00:12:23,039 --> 00:12:23,720 lot of places. 231 00:12:23,879 --> 00:12:25,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, they just deserved. It's just one of those things, 232 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:27,519 like the culture, you just need to know that they're 233 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,360 out there and know what you're looking for. So We've 234 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,919 talked about flowers, we've talked about colorful fruit, and fall, 235 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,480 we've talked about colorful foliage because of course that's what 236 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,399 gets all the credit. Fall. 237 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: I think it was munbelievable. 238 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:43,639 Speaker 2: Yes, but you know one thing that we don't really 239 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:49,000 talk about is evergreens, broad leaf evergreens getting color because 240 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,759 we talk about fall foliage. And what's happening, of course, 241 00:12:51,879 --> 00:12:56,559 is that the plant is converting taking all of that chlorophyl. 242 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,159 It's been using the chlorophyll to make energy and sugars 243 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,480 all season long, and you know, the shorter days are 244 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,120 triggering that to stop. So it translocates all of that chlorophyll, 245 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,480 stores all that energy to help it get through winter, 246 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,720 and that unmasks all the pigments that were there all along. 247 00:13:12,799 --> 00:13:15,039 So the fall color is there under the green all 248 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,399 season long, and then the green goes away and you 249 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,559 see these amazing colors. But that's not the only way 250 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,600 that foliage can change color, because the cooler temperatures these 251 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:30,320 shorter days also trigger color change in some broad leaf evergreens. 252 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. Let me quickly ask 253 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,840 PGM rhododendric, would you agree that's great? Fall color. 254 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, PJM. Rhododendron is an evergreen and it turns purple, 255 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:42,480 like a deep purple. That can be quite interesting. Now, 256 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:44,240 I think that it tends to be best if you 257 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,960 set it off with something brighter. A lot of those 258 00:13:47,039 --> 00:13:49,519 really dark colors sometimes they just become kind of a 259 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,960 black hole in the garden. But like, imagine pairing that 260 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,159 with something like Msnia hubric dii, which is like that yellow, 261 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,960 and it turns yellow really fine thread like foliage in 262 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,600 fall just beautiful. So there are these other ways that 263 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,600 fall color can develop, and you will certainly see that 264 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:11,639 in today's plant on trial, which is trace amigos abelia. 265 00:14:12,759 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: Wow, that plant is a chameleion. 266 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: It is kind of a chamelion and not like that 267 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,320 bed chameleon plant that we've been talking about a bunch 268 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,320 of the summer right, totally different. You don't have to 269 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,279 worry about this and taking over your garden. So okay, 270 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,240 Trace Amigos, as you might be able to guess by 271 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,120 the name three Friends, is really a bunch of different 272 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,159 colors at once. It is a variegated abelia. So under 273 00:14:34,159 --> 00:14:37,399 normal circumstances throughout the summer, the foliage is just going 274 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,879 to be a nice, tidy, kind of mint green and 275 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:42,919 white variegated. And I know variegation, of course, can be 276 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,879 very polarizing. Some people like it, some people don't. I 277 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,879 do think this is one of those variegations that is 278 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,159 quite neat and tidy, so people do tend to like it. 279 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,559 And in spring, again when the days are shorter and 280 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,000 the temperatures are cooler, as well as in fall, this 281 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,399 plant turns all sort of colors. You really have to 282 00:15:01,399 --> 00:15:03,759 see it to believe it. So most notably, what you're 283 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:06,559 going to notice is that the top of the new 284 00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:10,879 growth turns a bright pink, so that variegation maintains. It's 285 00:15:10,919 --> 00:15:14,799 just that the white turns a really pretty pink and 286 00:15:14,919 --> 00:15:17,759 just completely lights up the plant. And then as that 287 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,759 starts to age, what happens is that's turning yellow and orange, 288 00:15:21,799 --> 00:15:25,039 and so that white margin is all lit up in 289 00:15:25,159 --> 00:15:27,720 all of these different colors. Now that goes away during 290 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,679 the heat of summer when the days are the longest 291 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,720 and the weather is the warmest. But again in spring 292 00:15:32,759 --> 00:15:37,240 and fall, you get this amazing development of color like 293 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:40,159 you really haven't seen, and that pink color it's very 294 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,120 similar to what's happening with panicle hydranges later in the 295 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:46,480 season too. It's just bringing about these changes in the 296 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,279 plant cells that let these colors flourish. And I think 297 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,639 people don't really consider that you can have an evergreen 298 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,960 that's still actually kind of colorful and fall. 299 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very cool. Yes, I guess that's why I 300 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:00,279 call it a chameleon. 301 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: Because it's yeah, right. So you'll certainly see pictures of this, 302 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:04,960 of course if you're joining us on YouTube, or you 303 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,039 can go to our show notes at Gardening Simplified on 304 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,559 air dot com and see pictures of this, because it 305 00:16:09,679 --> 00:16:11,360 is something that you really are going to want to 306 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:14,559 see for yourself. Now. I talked about Abelia a couple 307 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:17,399 months ago when we did our dog show, our show 308 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,159 All about Dogs, because Abelia is a very tough plant, 309 00:16:20,159 --> 00:16:24,159 and I think it's an especially underappreciated plant. Now, partly 310 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,600 it's because it most abelias and Tracey and Migos is 311 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:32,120 no exception here are more warm or mild climate plants. 312 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,639 Tracey and Migos is hardy down to usda' Zone six 313 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,080 heat tolerant through USDA Zone nine. We have no problem 314 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,679 growing at whatsoever here in Michigan. In the cooler end 315 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,399 of its range is going to be semi evergreen, which 316 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,679 means that it's going to keep pretty much just the 317 00:16:46,759 --> 00:16:48,600 leaves at the tips of the branches, and the inner 318 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:51,320 leaves will fall off and be replaced next year. In 319 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,600 milder areas than that, it will be completely evergreen and 320 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:58,320 you will enjoy this color change really probably all through 321 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,360 winter clear until next spring due to those cooler, cooler 322 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,480 temperatures and shorter days. But what I really Abelias are 323 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,799 great foliage plants, but I think that the flowers are 324 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:13,559 especially something that deserves more attention. Now I have a 325 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:16,240 hearty abelia in my garden. It's a variety that we 326 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:19,880 used to offer through proven winners called Ruby Anniversary. The 327 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,440 thing has been flowering now for a solid two and 328 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:27,720 a half months. The flowers are extremely fragrant, and they 329 00:17:27,759 --> 00:17:32,240 attract butterflies, hummingbirds, and mumblebees like they are just flocking 330 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,400 to this thing. Now. With a plant like Trace a Migos, 331 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,000 because you have this variegated foliage, a lot of times 332 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:41,319 those flowers just get lost. Because the flowers on Trace 333 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:44,920 and Migos are white. They're really nice, pure white, and 334 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,000 because it's a variegated plant. You can't really, they're not 335 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,480 popping out of the foliage. 336 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:50,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, And let me ask you real quickly with the 337 00:17:50,279 --> 00:17:54,160 white flowers, to you, does it smell like jasmine? 338 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 2: I'm yeah, you could probably say that. I would say, 339 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,359 strike one of the closest corollaries to it. It's definitely 340 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,839 like a light floral scent. I would say if I 341 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:07,039 had to compare it to any other flowering plant, that 342 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:08,720 would probably be like the closest. 343 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: Okay, that's why pollinators love it. 344 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:13,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they do. And that's what's really cool about 345 00:18:13,799 --> 00:18:15,960 this is you don't necessarily see the flowers, but you'll 346 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,599 smell the flowers, and you will see all of this 347 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,680 activity being attracted to the flowers, and so it's just 348 00:18:21,759 --> 00:18:25,440 kind of like a fun little feature. And I like 349 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,559 personally that Abelia is not one of those plants that 350 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,240 just like has its moment where it's just covered in 351 00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:33,599 flowers and then nothing, like there's something to be said 352 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:35,559 for that. You should definitely have those plants in your garden, 353 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,480 but you should also have plants like Abelia that just 354 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:41,599 kind of like always have flowers on them from everywhere 355 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,880 from like June until frost. Because it's really never without 356 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,519 some flowers. It's never like that stop you in your 357 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:51,359 tracks and you know, can't believe what you're seeing. But 358 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,319 it's just consistently flower I like that, like reliability, it's 359 00:18:55,319 --> 00:18:59,119 something you can turn to and it's going to look really, 360 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,960 really great. Tracing me Abelia comes to us from mine 361 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,799 nurseries in France, where abelia tend to be a lot 362 00:19:05,799 --> 00:19:08,839 more popular and even treated almost as like a gift plant. 363 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,799 So especially like these foliage abelias, they will sell them 364 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,240 at garden centers in colorful little pots that you know, 365 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,680 kind of complement the foliage and just use them as 366 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,799 a tabletop decoration. You know, here we need to, oh God, 367 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,400 dig a big hole in the yard and plants your abelia. 368 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,279 We haven't quite adapted that mentality. Usually if we're like, hey, 369 00:19:29,279 --> 00:19:30,960 this is a shrub, I'm going to want to plant 370 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,759 this in my garden. I want it to be with 371 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:34,880 me for the rest of my life and I need 372 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,319 to be successful with it. So it kind of has 373 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,799 that novelty feature that had, you know, something that you 374 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,119 just want to buy as an impulse item, as well 375 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,640 as really fantastic presence in the landscape. 376 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,279 Speaker 1: But if I'm going to plant it and have it 377 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:50,400 with me the rest of my life. Are the deer 378 00:19:50,559 --> 00:19:51,240 going to eat it? 379 00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:53,319 Speaker 2: The deer are not going to eat it. So Abelia 380 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,039 is very deer resistant. The deer have never touched my 381 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,319 ruby anniversary, and I think that tends to be true 382 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,880 of the rest of the Abelias. Their foliage is. They 383 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,000 don't have like a bad smell or you know, hairs 384 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,519 or thorns or any of those things that normally deter deer. 385 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,599 But the foliage is kind of glossy and leathery, and 386 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,680 so maybe they just don't like that it's not toxic. 387 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,440 I don't really know exactly what it is that they 388 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,000 don't like it for, but I will take it because 389 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,240 I'm not going to question. They can go eat all 390 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,079 the toxic taxes that they want and leave the non 391 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,400 toxic abilia alone. That's when when for us as gardeners. So, 392 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,519 like I said, this is going to be hardy down 393 00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:32,680 to Usdzone six, heat tallerant through USDA Zone nine, definitely 394 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,759 going to benefit from some mulch because it has shallow roots. 395 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,119 If you are in zone six, I would recommend adding 396 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,440 this to your spring planting list rather than trying to 397 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,400 plant it now. But other if you're in zone seven 398 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,839 through nine, definitely plant it now. It's going to reach 399 00:20:46,839 --> 00:20:48,880 two to three feet tall by about three to five 400 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,559 feet wide, so a nice front of the border, front 401 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,160 of the landscape. Plant for just some great color that 402 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,680 you don't really have to do anything at all to enjoy. 403 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:00,880 So check out our pictures at guard Simplified, on air, 404 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,680 dot com or on YouTube. And if you are interested 405 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,119 in adding Trace Amigos Abelia to your gardener landscape, make 406 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,000 sure you let your local garden center know. We're gonna 407 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,440 take a little break when we come back. We're opening 408 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:19,960 up the garden mail bank, so please stay tuned. At 409 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,920 proven winner's color Choice, We've got a shrub for every 410 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,319 taste and every space. 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There's a contact us form and you can 420 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,680 even send us pictures if you're dealing with something that 421 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,880 we're going to need to see photos of, which is 422 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,599 always helpful. I don't know how they used to help 423 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,920 people go before digital cameras. I have no idea how 424 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:03,359 that works. 425 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: They sketch stuff out on a nap. 426 00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:08,279 Speaker 2: They just kind of use their psychic powers or something. 427 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:10,119 I don't know, but we can definitely get you better 428 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,079 information if you can send us a photo. We're also 429 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,119 still have time to send us a Halloween horror story 430 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:22,200 if you have one. Halloween garden horror story could be anything. 431 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:25,480 So far, we've got some interesting ones, nothing involving you know, 432 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:29,680 ghosts or body parts, so but you know yet, there's 433 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,720 still a chance that you could send it to us, 434 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:35,759 so you can also just do that through the contact 435 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:37,680 format Gardenings Simplified on air dot Com. 436 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: You never know what you're going to dig up. 437 00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 2: You never do, I mean, you really don't, you know. 438 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,480 Usually for me it's just like pieces of glass and 439 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:49,160 broken dishes living in an old house. But you never know. 440 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: Of course, in Europe, you hear all the time people digging. 441 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 2: Up bombs, Yeah, bombs and World War two, Yeah, old 442 00:22:57,319 --> 00:23:01,359 ruins and entire cities. And usually we don't have anything 443 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,920 quite like that here, but hey, let us know if 444 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,599 you did, so, do reach out to us if you 445 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,079 have a garden horror story to share, or we just 446 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:12,039 want to ask a question. So what's our first question? 447 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:12,880 You know that was. 448 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,039 Speaker 1: Really interesting on a bilia. I have a question for 449 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,319 you to start, and that is why do lizards tell 450 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:30,599 great jokes? Because there's stand up chameleons. Okay, here we go. 451 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,799 Speaker 2: I weren't like scales tail and no iguana. 452 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: Stand up kamelia. Okay. Question from Vicky. Any ideas on 453 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:44,680 why the squirrels are going crazy? This year? We've noticed 454 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,440 frantic digging by at least one squirrel in our yard. 455 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:50,680 The front yard is half torn up, the backyard one 456 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,319 area mainly, but holes everywhere. Plus we've observed this every 457 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,000 day all day. One morning, just before it was fully light, 458 00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:01,599 I saw a squirrel digging up the area in my backyard. 459 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,160 That's the worst. And this behavior has been observed throughout 460 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,000 the day and into the early evening. Is this a 461 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:17,359 sign of extreme weather. Is it one crazy maniacal OCD squirrel? Wow? 462 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:20,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've observed this, you know, and I have too, 463 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:23,759 although I would say for myself, I don't think that 464 00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:27,920 the squirrel seemed to be acting any more maniacal than 465 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,200 they do every fall. My neighborhood squirrels, you know, they're 466 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,720 like yesterday I saw a squirrel sitting in the middle 467 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:35,519 of the street eating a nut, and I'm like, dude, 468 00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:37,839 you're in the middle of the street, will you please move? 469 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,039 They're crazy, like I got eat this saint right now. 470 00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:45,759 But yeah, I mean, I think it all just is 471 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:48,480 a matter of what you're seeing and when you're seeing them, 472 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,759 and of course of the food supply, because the more 473 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,359 food that they have, the more they're going to try 474 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,960 to bury because they're trying to stockpile it all. And 475 00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,599 of course squirrels are quite territorial, so I guess it 476 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:03,920 also depends on how much they're out competing their fellow squirrel. 477 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,599 Now in my neighborhood, I have several walnut trees, and 478 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:13,920 they love burying those walnuts they do, and that tastes 479 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,680 a pretty big hole. 480 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: Walnuts and of course oaks. Now I talked I interviewed 481 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:23,200 once a science writer from USA Today, and he explained 482 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,559 to me had written a book and he explained to 483 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:31,119 me that a squirrel's mental capacity actually expands in fall. 484 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,400 I think it was the hippocampus or whatever, you know, 485 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,839 a fifteen or twenty percent increase because they've got to 486 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,599 store away these nuts. And I still believe because when 487 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,559 I watched them, they rub it on the side of 488 00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:44,160 their head and then they put it in the ground. 489 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,759 I think that they put their scent on these nuts 490 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:50,960 that they put in the ground. But last year was 491 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,559 a mass year, and I think these squirrels just innately 492 00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:59,799 understand that, Boy, it was feast last year. Odds are 493 00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:02,559 it's going to be fam in next spring. Let's do 494 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,319 a lot of storage. And I think that's why they're 495 00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:05,279 digging like crazy. 496 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 2: Well, you know, Plus, the term mass year is most 497 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,319 typically associated with oaks, but there are other trees that 498 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,359 have banner years of fruits. And so certainly if you 499 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,920 have walnuts or other things that they dig and berry 500 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,119 that are having a banner year, then yeah, they're just 501 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:25,200 going to have more to bury. And that's just preparation. 502 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,839 And you know, the same thing happens with chickadees. That 503 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:31,440 that's part of Douglas Talumy's work, is that chickadee's their 504 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,480 brain enlargest so that they can remember where they stored 505 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,920 all of those little seeds and stashed them in trees 506 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,000 and so forth. But I wonder what the squirrels think 507 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:42,000 when they dig it up and they're like, oh, crud, 508 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:44,720 this was you know, this was Brad's nut that he buried. 509 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,000 Bread's a shirt. I don't want to get in his way, 510 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,480 you know, And they're like, better not touch this one. 511 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,279 I'll but I'll go find one that I buried. I 512 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,680 wonder what goes on in that big squirrel brain question. 513 00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: So, I mean, think about how black walnuts staining your 514 00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:01,799 deck or staining their drive, you know, and what does 515 00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:04,799 it do to squirrel's teeth. I mean, man's that's a 516 00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:07,759 good I mean, there's so many things that come to mind. 517 00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:09,160 We better just move along. 518 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,799 Speaker 2: You wish we could have this conversation all day. 519 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: We heard from two listeners that have the same symptoms 520 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,759 on two different trees. Drew writes about his Venus dogwood 521 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:21,559 in Toronto. Donna writes about her Temple of Bloom hepticodium 522 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,880 in Oklahoma. Both plants show the same damage. Very brown, 523 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,680 very crispy leaf edges with a touch of still healthy 524 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,319 green in the center. What's going on? 525 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I thought this was interesting that they 526 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,680 both came in around the same time, two different trees 527 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,000 with as you'll see on YouTube or in our shown 528 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,759 it's at Gardening Simplified on air dot Com, the damage 529 00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:45,720 on the both plants looks see exact same. And there's 530 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,079 a simple answer in its droughtstress. And basically what's going 531 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,960 to happen when a plant starts to experience severe droughtstress 532 00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:54,920 is of course the leaf edge has a lot of 533 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,160 potential for water loss in it, and it's also the 534 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,799 furthest point from the roots, so it's where the water 535 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,160 is going to basically stop flowing, you know. First, that's 536 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,480 where they're going to start to dry out. They don't 537 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,279 start to dry out from the center out, they start 538 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:13,480 to dry out from the outer edge in And I 539 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,160 think another important thing to remember about trees, especially in 540 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:22,359 drought stress, is that the damage actually may have occurred 541 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,359 months prior. Just because it's finally manifesting itself does not 542 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:31,240 mean that the damage is happening. You know, recently, people 543 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,880 ten that's often the case with plants that wilt, and 544 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,680 trees do wilt. I mean, if you are familiar with 545 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,640 a tree, you can kind of tell when it's you know, 546 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:40,599 stressed and wilting. But I'd say for the average person, 547 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,559 they don't say, WHOA, that tree's you know, really really wilting. 548 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,119 That's an immediate response. But a lot of this browning 549 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,720 it can be cumulative. It can be due to many 550 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,559 many weeks of you know, dry weather. And remember too, 551 00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:55,559 even if you're watering it, sometimes there's competition from neighboring trees. 552 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:58,440 There's a lot of reasons why this could happen. But 553 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,279 my advice of fixing it would be to, yeah, provide 554 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:04,440 supplemental water. Both of these trees are fairly young as well, 555 00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:06,119 so they're going to need a lot more water than 556 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,920 an established tree because their root systems aren't fully developed yet. 557 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,920 And mulch, mulch those babies that will help conserve so 558 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:13,559 so much water. 559 00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:17,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point that it doesn't happen overnight. 560 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,960 And when I look at the pictures, I see other 561 00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:25,039 plants surrounding the trees that have different water needs, and 562 00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:28,559 people have to be reminded that with these trees, just 563 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,640 a trickle watering for a few hours, a deep watering. 564 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:38,839 It brings up that old argument frequent light or deep infrequent, 565 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,920 And in the case of a tree, I say deep infrequent. 566 00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:44,680 The other thing, as far as mulch is concerned, there's 567 00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:48,000 existing mulch there, Stir it. By the time we get 568 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:54,079 into August September long season, that mulch becomes compacted, almost hydrophobic. 569 00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:57,119 Stir it. Make sure that the water is getting down 570 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,000 to the roots, you know. 571 00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:00,359 Speaker 2: And another great thing you see these around us, especially 572 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,720 like in municipal tree plantings, but the tree gators, those 573 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,960 green bags that you see zips around new tree plantings. 574 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,759 If you're not familiar with them, they are basically a 575 00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:15,400 waterproof bag with kind of a pressure sensitive tape on 576 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,039 the bottom that when you fill it up, it just 577 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,640 seeps out over a long period. And those are a 578 00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:24,480 very very effective way to get especially young trees established. 579 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,160 They don't look the best of course in your backyard 580 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,119 when you have this beautiful tree, but you only need 581 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,759 to use them for two or three years, and that 582 00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:32,160 can help a lot, just as long as, of course, 583 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,920 you remember to fill the bag. 584 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: Calli writes to us. I have a piece rose. I 585 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:38,880 want a plant in the ground. I was away from 586 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,480 home this week, came home to this white stuff on 587 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,480 one branch. Do I cut off that branch or treat it? 588 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,839 CALLI lives in Northeast Texas, Zone eight. 589 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know for sure whether this is 590 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,839 mealybug or scale. Most likely it looks like mealybug to me. 591 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,039 Those are some big mealy bugs. Even the meali bugs 592 00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:02,359 are bigger down into bigger in Texas apparently. And you know, 593 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,440 it's not uncommon for something to just proliferate like this, 594 00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:08,200 especially in a warm climate, you know, where things could 595 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,799 be moving along fine and like you seem to overnight 596 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,160 have this suddenly appear. So Kelly, I would say, absolutely 597 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,720 cut that thing off, throw it away, wash your hands, 598 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,759 because they're going to have like little eggs and so 599 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,400 forth that you could easily spread. I mean, mellibug is 600 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,200 not the worst that an outdoor plant can have. But 601 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:29,160 if you can minimize you know what you're putting out 602 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,799 in the garden and how much it spreads, your rose 603 00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:34,240 will certainly thank you. And roses I don't find usually 604 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:36,400 get mealibugs. So it is strange that this one seemed 605 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,000 to explode, so yeah, that's true. I've never seen one. 606 00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,119 Speaker 1: But it's just on one step, so I agree with you. 607 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,400 Let's cut it out and move on. 608 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, then the ros will be fine, none the worse 609 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,000 for the wear. So yeah, get that thing off, put 610 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880 it in the ground, and as in many cases, once 611 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,839 something is in the ground, can spread its roots. Is 612 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:54,880 getting more regular water, doesn't have the stress of growing 613 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,119 in the container, it will often be able to resist 614 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,680 any of those pest infestations a lot more easily. We're 615 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,119 going to take a little break. When we come back, 616 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:10,400 we've got branching news, so please stay tuned. The Gardening 617 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,319 Simplified Show is brought to you by proven Winners Color 618 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,160 Choice Shrubs. Our award winning flowering shrubs in evergreens have 619 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,519 been trialed and tested for your success so you enjoy 620 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,720 more beauty and less work. Look for proven Winners Color 621 00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:26,640 Choice Shrubs and the distinctive white container at your local 622 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,319 garden center. 623 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. It's time for 624 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,000 branching news and Stacy, I thought this story is really interesting. 625 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,920 The Tennessee Department of Tourist Development was the first to 626 00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:48,680 introduce C Coast Viewers now c as an se SA 627 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:54,599 C Coast Viewers powered by Enchroma to enable color blind 628 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:59,319 visitors to see the changing colors in fall at twelve 629 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,039 parks and scenic overlooks. 630 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 2: Isn't that so interesting? Yeah? I wonder how that works. 631 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:08,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's fun to research it because they actually 632 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,440 give you the opportunity to see fall colors the way 633 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,839 they appear to someone who's color blind and then compare 634 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,599 it to what you see through these viewers. So really 635 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,039 neat Virginia State Parks are making autumn war vibrant also 636 00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:30,720 for everyone. By installing these special viewfinders for colorblind visitors, 637 00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,640 they allow them to see the stunning shades of scarlet 638 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,920 and gold that everyone else gasps at in October. These 639 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,559 nifty viewfinders work magic for those with red green CVD, 640 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:51,119 making the autumn experience magical whether you're color blind or not. 641 00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:56,720 That is very, very interesting. While people with normal color 642 00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:01,200 vision see more than one million hues and that doesn't 643 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,640 seem right to me. That's a million hues and colors. 644 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,400 I'm gonna have to research that. But the three hundred 645 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,119 and fifty million people in the world with color blindness 646 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,639 only see an estimated ten percent of them. As a result, 647 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,000 their worldview is less vibrant and dull, and some colors 648 00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:24,119 appear muddled or indistinguishable. You know, I was. We talked 649 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:28,639 in segment one about fall colors, and I mentioned Porcupine 650 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,519 Mountains here in the far north of Michigan and the 651 00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:34,920 up and standing on those cliffs and looking at those 652 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,079 colors usually early October, first or second week of October. 653 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,719 It really truly takes your breath. 654 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 2: Word it is. It's something you really have to see 655 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,519 to believe. And we've got some of the best fall 656 00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:49,719 color in the world here in the US and Canada, 657 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,079 of course. 658 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,760 Speaker 1: Incredible, Stacy, you shared a story with me that I 659 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,599 thought was really interesting, the invention of the modern chainsaw. 660 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,239 Some time shortly after the end of second the Second 661 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,920 World War, a logger named Joseph Buford Cox was out 662 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,800 in the woods using his axe. He split open a 663 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,280 stump and found it was full of timber worms the 664 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,320 four inch long larva of the timber beetle. Joe took 665 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,920 a minute to look the worms over as they continued 666 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,800 to bore into the stump trying to get away from him. 667 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,599 Sawdust dropped away from their jaws and prodigious streams, and 668 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,480 Joe watched them sink slowly into the stump. Some were 669 00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:35,039 going against the grain, cross cutting, some were going with 670 00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:38,440 it ripping. All of them were going at it at 671 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,719 about the same speed. Joe was watching a bunch of 672 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,480 timber grubs practically falling through a stump, grinding their way 673 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,440 through the way we picture a chainsaw today doing it. 674 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:54,039 And Joe thought, well, maybe I can learn something about 675 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:57,199 this that would lead to a better power saw. So 676 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,360 back at his home in Portland, he set up a 677 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,960 little experience station in the basement magnifying glass some timber 678 00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,599 worms and he inspected their teeth and noted they had 679 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:11,400 a C shape, and that started the whole thing. He 680 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,559 worked on a basic design of a timberworm's jaws and 681 00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,960 basically sketched out a cutting chain that looked similar to 682 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,559 a motorcycle drive chain with a cutting tooth sticking out 683 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,840 every few links. The cutting teeth were hook shaped chisels 684 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,719 that would bite into the wood and essentially carved the chips. 685 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,880 And then he added a bump in the metal just 686 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,280 in front of the chisel on each link, filing down 687 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,119 the bump, so he could control how big a bite 688 00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:44,440 each chisel took and the rest is a history. This 689 00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:50,199 is right around the mid to late nineteen forties, launched 690 00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:55,000 his company, the Oregon Saw Chain Corporation, with a payroll 691 00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:59,119 of four employees. But boy, it took off from there 692 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:02,800 and now basic every you know, obviously the patents have 693 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,719 expired and so all kinds of chainsaws are made, but 694 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,000 his bug chain is basically used in every chainsaw in 695 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,400 operation today. 696 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,079 Speaker 2: It's amazing, right getting that inspiration from hr I sent 697 00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:17,960 you then after we were talking about the burrs and 698 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:22,360 Milkrol has another thing that was inspired by by nature. 699 00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fast original. A website for you to check out, 700 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,519 because I really enjoy this website, Harvard Forest dot edu. 701 00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:37,199 We're gonna put the link at the website, but it's 702 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,880 just a great a great website for learning about research, 703 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:47,599 fall colors, trees, whatever it may be, but a great website, 704 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:53,480 Harvard Forest dot ed U. And I think a great 705 00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:58,079 time also to remind folks because I have used this often, Stacy, 706 00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:01,159 if you can explain again if if there's a certain thing, 707 00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:05,000 maybe it's chainsaws or maybe it's chameleons, that you're really 708 00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:08,440 really interested in using your dot edu. 709 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this is so helpful, you know nowadays 710 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,039 of course, if you try to search something, who knows 711 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:17,960 what you're gonna get and you want it to be reliable, 712 00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:19,880 you know, you need to have something that you can 713 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,000 trust and isn't just you know, some up bloggers thoughts 714 00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:28,119 random thoughts on a topic. So to get reliable results, 715 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,320 you can just use this command. Type in your words 716 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,239 that you're gonna use, and then site s I T E. 717 00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:36,920 Colon two dots dot edu and what that's gonna do 718 00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:40,280 is limit all of your results to university websites. So 719 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,039 I typically do this for plants, So I'm going to 720 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:45,719 use a scientific name and that command, and then everything 721 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,119 I'm getting is from a university website. But depending on 722 00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:50,480 what you're trying to find out, you might want to 723 00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:52,800 use like a dot org website. So this will work 724 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,679 with any type of website extension if you do. If 725 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,599 you live in a foreign country and you only want 726 00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:01,760 to see what results that have your country's suffix in 727 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,039 the URL, it works for that too. And it's just 728 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,679 you know, the more information that comes online, the more 729 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,480 important it is for all of us to be able 730 00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:13,079 to find information that is trustworthy, quickly exactly. 731 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: It's great advice for researching information. Okay. Iceland's Farmers Association 732 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:27,039 told the BBC that there were shortages of cucumbers and 733 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,079 farmers have been unable to keep up with spiraling demand 734 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:39,679 for cucumbers. A Canadian TikTok creator whose viral cucumber salad 735 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,800 recipes have received millions of views and shares, is being 736 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,719 blamed for a shortage of the vegetable in Iceland. According 737 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:53,199 to the BBC, TikTok creator Logan Muffett, who shares videos 738 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:59,519 with his six million followers, started making cucumber salid content 739 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,719 in July. He suspects his videos are popular because they're 740 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,840 super simple, easy to follow and fast recipes. So I 741 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,320 think next spring in Iceland there will be a lot 742 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,199 of residents who plant maybe a few extra cucumber plants. 743 00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's very simple. They're one of the 744 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,880 easiest vegetables to grow, so it's a good thing. But 745 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,119 I can't believe that a Canadian blogger blogger single handedly 746 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:32,239 bankrupted Iceland of cucumbers. I'm not saying something, but yeah, 747 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,719 everyone should grow cucumbers. They're so easy and it's really 748 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,880 nice to have cucumbers just outside your back door. 749 00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: When there's a shortage, it's cucumber something, that's what it is. 750 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,599 So plant more cucumbers. Stacy at this time of the year. Also, 751 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,920 as I enjoy taking leaves and doing some passive composting, 752 00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:53,920 active composting using those leaves in my vegetable garden, I 753 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,159 can't help it. Okay, again, I'm I got a few 754 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,440 years behind me, and as a kid, it takes me 755 00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:07,239 back and I just remember so vividly people raking the 756 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,800 leaves to the curb, squirting some gas on them and 757 00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:17,000 lighting them up and having the smoke in the neighborhood 758 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,559 in late October and November was so thick. I can't 759 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:24,280 believe that we actually used to do that. 760 00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think for people who are a 761 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,639 little bit older, the smell of burning leaves is the 762 00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:33,320 smell that you associate with fault. Yeah, that is for me. 763 00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: And it's just strange and as stange as a kid, 764 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:41,760 you know, and dangerous, dangerous for many people. But as 765 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,039 a kid too, those glowing embers of leaves, the sunsets, 766 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:50,639 it's just a spooky haze. And as kids we would 767 00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:53,599 take our bikes and we would ride our bikes through 768 00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:57,760 those burning piles of leaves. Yeah, I know, dumb, but 769 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,719 we would. I've got a couple burn marks as mementos 770 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,760 from that period. 771 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 2: But yeah, wait, why would you do that? Did it 772 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,039 like spark or do something cool or you're just being 773 00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:10,119 Daredevil's like, what's the appeal here? 774 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,280 Speaker 1: Because the leaves are there, and you've got a bike, okay, 775 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:15,880 and you got a banana peel bike and you ride 776 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,800 as fast as you can and sometimes it works and 777 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,480 sometimes it doesn't. But just those memories are just unreal 778 00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:25,719 to me. I'm glad we do what we do today, 779 00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,280 and that is compost leaves in our garden. 780 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that or I guess the invention of the 781 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,480 the law and leaf bag. 782 00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:33,199 Speaker 1: There you go. 783 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 2: It's completely changing. You do see people burn their leaves, 784 00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,960 especially you know, out in the country. But you know, 785 00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:42,440 especially if you have a very dry year like we've 786 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,159 had in Michigan or you talked about how dry it 787 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,599 wasn't in Ohio, you know, that can be quite dangerous 788 00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:49,920 because of course they're dry, and they go up very 789 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,000 quickly and they can coast on the wind, and yeah, 790 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,519 it can definitely cause some serious issues amazing. 791 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: Thank you, Stacy, thank you, thank you Adrianna, and most 792 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,079 of all, thanks to you watching on YouTube, listening on 793 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:06,239 the radio, or listening to our podcast. We appreciate you 794 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,519 and thank you for your support. Have yourself a great week.