WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:16.600 Get ready June eighteen, twenty twenty five. Allegedly, according to 2 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:19.399 that thing we call a calendar, this is the o'celli effect. 3 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:22.920 It is Wednesday Wodnesday, and that's the way it was. 4 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:26.359 That's the way it is. Anyhow, glad you could join 5 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:29.719 us tonight, and I'm really really pleased as always when 6 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:33.200 this happens to have Larry Hancock along with me. I 7 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:35.479 meant to get together with Larry earlier than we are 8 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:38.280 alive on the stream. You listening in the podcast form 9 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:41.240 don't care, but I did mean to get together with 10 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:43.439 him earlier, not just because I wanted to be on 11 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:46.560 time for the live stream, but I wanted to talk 12 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:48.479 to Larry before we went to air about some stuff 13 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:51.200 and didn't get a chance to really do it. So anyway, 14 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:53.399 maybe maybe next time you and I get together we 15 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:55.679 can do that. We have the occasion to talk a 16 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:59.799 few more times before November, if plans go according to plan. Anyway, 17 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:03.479 So Larry Hancock, of course the author taking up a 18 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:05.560 lot of space on my bookshelf, but not just taking 19 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:08.439 up space, giving me an education over the years on 20 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:11.959 a great many things, And tonight's focus will not be 21 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:15.359 the JFK thing and the November reference I just gave you. 22 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:19.400 We're going to continue on with something that's rather fascinating 23 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:24.560 as well and just as necessary to study if you 24 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:29.560 want to understand intelligence agency behaviors. In my opinion, that 25 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:34.319 would be the uap UFO et cetera, et cetera contramacy, 26 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:36.000 as they say, on the other side of the pond. 27 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:42.519 Larry has authored a book called Unidentified. It is a dark, 28 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:44.680 dark colored you know, I got it behind me. I 29 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:46.519 should have put it in front of me, dark colored 30 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:48.560 book with some blue writing on it, I believe, And 31 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:52.400 it says unidentified. And it has a longer title which 32 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.359 I do not recall. But either way, it comes along 33 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:58.319 with the highly recommended works of Larry Hancock, and there 34 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:00.959 will be a link in the show note for you 35 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:03.599 to go and find out about it and go get 36 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:06.879 it anyway. You can always go to Larry dash Handcock 37 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:10.000 dot com and check out Larry's work, his blog, his books, 38 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:14.439 et cetera, anyway, plus all the other references in my library. 39 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.199 So Larry, first of all, how you doing tonight? 40 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:18.560 I'm doing good? 41 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:23.360 Check why to be back? Listen. I am more grateful 42 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:26.080 to you than your no because I needed a break 43 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:30.120 from the news, and actually I needed a break from 44 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:34.840 JFK stuff because of what I'm doing privately, So thank you, 45 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:39.800 thank you. Anyway, the thing is, you passed me an 46 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:44.639 article which was in the Wall Street Journal. Now, let's 47 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:47.039 see what you know, what I should have memorized when 48 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:49.560 the data of this article was but I did not. 49 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.919 It is from the from the sixth Okay, so it's 50 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:55.800 this month and it's just from the sixth. 51 00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:56.800 Uh. 52 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:01.719 It's interesting because here's the headline, guys, the Pentagon disinformation 53 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:07.960 that fueled America's UFO mythology. All right, there is a 54 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:13.199 mouthful in a loaded statement right there. Why, because I 55 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.280 gotta be honest with you. I start skimming over this 56 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:21.199 thing and all I see is standard operating procedure. Why 57 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:25.039 because you know, the the one armed man, the smoking 58 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:29.360 man all rolled into one, Okay, is the unnamed source 59 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:34.120 when it comes to politics, parapolitics, political conspiracy research, et cetera, 60 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.960 et cetera. The unnamed source that you can't name, who's 61 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:41.319 close close to the situation, larry or maybe involved in 62 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:44.960 the situation, etc. And meanwhile, we got people on the 63 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:48.319 internet being surprised that there might have been a two 64 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:51.400 oh one file of RFK, and I don't mean junior 65 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:54.800 that existed in the CIA's hands. They're surprised over that 66 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.879 because they don't understand the functionality of any of these things. 67 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:02.280 And anyway, I'm not going to get into that, and 68 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:06.479 we're not talking RFK tonight, But I'm just saying a 69 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:12.280 profound misunderstanding which is perpetuated by the intelligence agency's army intelligence, 70 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.439 the military itself, in order to keep people in the 71 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.639 dark and guessing, feeling around, much as you would be 72 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:23.240 if you were literally suddenly thrust into darkness. For most 73 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:27.519 people here we are, this kind of stuff reads to 74 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:31.959 me like, let's keep people guessing, and let's make sure 75 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:37.279 that we perpetuate the open question and open door for 76 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:43.399 the kookie conspiracy stuff, the speculation, the reasonable questions, and 77 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:45.519 all of it all at once, because you know what, 78 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:49.000 it all serves to keep people from doing what actually 79 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:53.680 getting to an answer regarding the subject at hand. And 80 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:57.519 here we are with UAPs. How am I doing so far? Larry? 81 00:04:57.560 --> 00:04:59.759 Is this reading correct to you? Or am I just 82 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.319 you know, crazy and spouting off at the mouth here? 83 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:06.439 Well, it does sound something like we we encountered this 84 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:10.079 all the time, as you say, an article shows up 85 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:15.040 in a newspaper from a journalist, you know, And basically 86 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:18.680 what we've learned over time is the way the Pentagon operates, 87 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:22.560 the way the agencies operate, the way the CIA always 88 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:27.439 operated is they had they had people within the media 89 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:30.600 community and there was a quid book low. 90 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:31.199 You know. 91 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:34.800 If those folks were curious about a particular topic or 92 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:38.519 what was going on in a particular area, you know, 93 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:42.680 they would they would feed, you know, into the agency 94 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:45.959 or the government or what they were hearing, and then 95 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:49.600 they would be given information. Sometimes it was good information, 96 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.920 sometimes it was bad information. But you know, there was 97 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:56.199 never an attributable source. As you said, it's like the 98 00:05:56.360 --> 00:06:01.560 article appears and according to reliable sources, and there's nothing 99 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.160 to go with it. You know, there's no documentation, there's 100 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:08.879 no official statement. And the problem, as you kind of outlined, 101 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:15.720 is it has to be real to work sometimes, but 102 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:20.160 you never know. It reminds me of a movie from 103 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:23.839 a couple of decades ago about this fellow who. 104 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:27.879 Published a conspiracy newsletter. Yeah, and then he became. 105 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:30.639 Threatened and at risk and it's like, well, I know 106 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:33.199 it's over something at my newsletter, but I don't know 107 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:37.120 what it is. You know, well, you can't tell, you 108 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:38.680 can't tell what's going on. 109 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:41.680 It's all there and you don't really know for sure. 110 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:45.279 See there's that. Plus. Look, they don't just float fake 111 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:49.040 stories and just give reporters fake stories, because after a while, 112 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.759 first of all, you know, the unnamed source would lose 113 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:55.399 credibility and people would go, yeah, here we go, unnamed source. 114 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:57.240 It never pans out, So they got to give him 115 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:00.480 some real stuff now and then. And sometimes I think 116 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.920 they're brainstorming a little bit. You know, what do they 117 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:07.079 call that? There's a methodology. 118 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:10.560 Like a market task just a focused group. 119 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:13.920 Yeah, a focus group, except you know it's wide. It's 120 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:16.639 the readership of whoever, and what are we doing. We're 121 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.360 floating the idea to see how people react to it, 122 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.560 to see if they're going to get mad, to see 123 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:24.519 if they care, you know, et cetera, et cetera. And 124 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:27.839 I think that's true in some ways. And sometimes they 125 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:30.839 give some information in there, Like I said, so people 126 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.079 can point back and go, look, you know that unnamed source, 127 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:35.680 look at how correct he was, or look at out 128 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:39.480 incorrect he was. Guess what plausible deniability? Hey, who knows 129 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:43.079 who that unnamed source was. So you have a variety 130 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:47.319 of things going on here, but again it's it's one 131 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:49.639 of those issues. Right, Let's see if the public's even 132 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:54.000 interested in UFO cover up, et cetera. Right, I mean 133 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:56.560 that's what it seemed like to me here in this article. 134 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:58.399 I mean I can't read the whole thing because I 135 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:00.839 don't have a Wall Street Journal, you know, and I 136 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.160 already used up my articles for the month. So you know, 137 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:05.399 hopefully some of you guys listening, I'll give you a 138 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:07.720 link to the article as well, so you guys can 139 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:11.000 go see it yourselves. But the thing is, when you 140 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:14.519 do this, it can be useful for a variety of reasons, 141 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:18.360 but once again, you have to blend it with speculation 142 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.360 that makes sense, with some real stuff that makes sense 143 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:25.000 and will come out later. So it does look like 144 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:29.079 it was, you know, prognosticating something on occasion, not always, 145 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:33.000 but on occasion. Right. And also, just like you said, 146 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:35.720 the test market idea, let's see how it flies in 147 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.120 the South, because if they'll buy this kind of fried 148 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:40.279 chicken in the South, we got a shot in the North. 149 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:43.399 I mean, you know, it's like a fast food restaurant. 150 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:45.799 Try it out, you know, when they did Mick Pizza 151 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:49.519 and thank god that didn't take off. But you know 152 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:52.720 what I'm saying, it didn't work out, So they go, Okay, 153 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:56.240 let's move on to another idea we have or maybe 154 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:56.759 and then in. 155 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:59.600 This case, they still they still have to come up 156 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:03.440 with them. This agency, the agency has chared with this, 157 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.360 and we have no idea who these reporters actually talked to. 158 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:09.440 Not only do we not have a name, we don't 159 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:12.879 have an agency or you know, there's they're not They 160 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:15.799 weren't given an official statement that they're writing from. 161 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:17.720 You know, this is just a source somewhere. 162 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:21.480 But assuming that it's within the agency that was created 163 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:25.919 by legislative action, that's a r O who's supposed to 164 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:28.799 resolve the issue of anomalous objects. 165 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:30.759 Uh, assuming it. 166 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:33.320 Came from them, we know, as you mentioned in the 167 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:36.840 Luna hearings, that that they face a problem because they 168 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:40.759 had whistle blowers and they had people that said, oh, 169 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:43.600 you know, I've talked to people that have seen this 170 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:47.440 and that, or you know, they're still they still have 171 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:48.399 to deal with it. 172 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:52.000 They haven't really resolved it, and this is one way 173 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:52.799 to resolve it. 174 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.120 One approach that they've taken is that these people were 175 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:02.200 simply hearing secondhand information and and you know, the people 176 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:06.000 that they were talking to misunderstood, you know, perhaps Yeah, 177 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:09.919 this is this is to kind of perpetuate the concept 178 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:14.000 that there's something going on and circulating and cover stories 179 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:17.320 are being used that can confuse people. So we're really 180 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:21.679 the takeaways you really shouldn't be surprised at people even 181 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:27.799 within the military or intelligence agencies here cover stories and 182 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:31.639 bad stuff and misinterpret them and then pass it on. Yeah, 183 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:37.559 that's that's the real message here, Like okay, there it's 184 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:42.200 an effort to address second hand information isn't work. 185 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:47.600 There's that, Plus there is the ability to protect you know, 186 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:52.320 secrets or secretive actions or things that need to be 187 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:57.240 handled a certain way and sort of edited for public consumption. 188 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:00.639 And I give you a Luna we talkalked about before 189 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.600 we went to air. Really but Luna's hearings on JFK 190 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:06.720 we talked about recently and I've talked about him without 191 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:11.799 you on the show, and you hear the convoluted defense 192 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:15.080 that occurs as a result of those hearings. What do 193 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:18.679 I mean some other podcasters that you know have larger 194 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.240 audiences in me quite frankly. But we'll sit there and say, 195 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.600 how come Luna's not investigating stuff, not realizing that this 196 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:30.960 isn't the HSCA. And yes, it's a public hearing Congress, 197 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:33.639 but it's not the same thing. And what happens is 198 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:36.600 she and she plays a role in this, by the way, 199 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:40.000 directly for listeners who might have forgotten, because she was 200 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:43.919 involved in those UAP hearings too. You know, she's disclosure lady. 201 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.399 And I'm not blaming her, by the way, but here's 202 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:49.200 the thing. They float that out in public and now 203 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:53.039 the public things since the Congress entertained it. It is 204 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.879 the same thing as the HSCA. Oh well, the Rocker 205 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:58.799 Pefeller commission. They went and did this. Yeah, this isn't 206 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:03.159 the Rockefeller Commission. This isn't the House Select Committee on Assassinations. 207 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.440 This is the people dealing with declassification. And yes, this 208 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:11.559 is where that guy went on you know, and made headlines. Yes, 209 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:15.360 I know directly about alien technology, we reverse engineered, etc. 210 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:24.320 And that stuff is another pillar of this obfuscation. Really, 211 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:26.679 I'm trying to come up with another word, but I can't. 212 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:34.159 By design that appears to be efforts toward disclosure and transparency. 213 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.440 And that's the way it's meant to appear for an 214 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:42.840 unsuspecting public that doesn't understand the mechanisms, doesn't necessarily understand 215 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:48.200 the material, but reflexively states, you know what, I want more, 216 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.559 I want this whatever, And they do what politicians do. 217 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:53.960 They take polls and figure out what is it that 218 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.919 the public will accept, will want, will demand, and they 219 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.720 work that into the program as well. And that's what 220 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:03.440 I see when I see articles like this, the hearings, 221 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:07.600 all of these things coming out. They are a symptom 222 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:12.759 of what the protection of national security via various methods. 223 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:17.200 And I still think it's the defense by by convoluting 224 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.519 the subject is I mean, that's kind of a mouthy 225 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:22.279 way to put it. There's probably a better phrase I 226 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:23.960 could come up with, but that's. 227 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:24.240 What it is. 228 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.679 You convolute everything so that people take that grab bag 229 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.399 cherry pick out of it what they want. And now 230 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:33.720 they've got the pulse of the public. What is it 231 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:36.159 they're willing to accept? What is it they're willing to 232 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:38.960 accept that we keep to ourselves, you know, like the 233 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.919 acceptable defense over well, you know, the public couldn't handle 234 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.879 for what decades, many decades the public probably couldn't handle 235 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:49.799 it if we told them that we knew about aliens anyway, 236 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:53.360 not saying we do, but if we did, why would 237 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:56.279 we tell the public about it? And oh, by the way, 238 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:58.960 if they have these you know, crazy things lying in 239 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.080 the air that are well beyond on our technology that 240 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:04.639 we can't shoot down, we can't deal with at all, 241 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:06.960 why should we alarm the public that despite all of 242 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:10.600 our technological advances, we can't do anything about these craft. 243 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:16.559 Whether they're from a foreign adversary or from another planet, 244 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.559 it's irrelevant because the public doesn't need to know. It'll 245 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:25.799 just alarm them needlessly. You know, those arguments, right are 246 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:27.960 born of it, and the Gerald Posner argument. Of course, 247 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:30.519 you know, the psychology of the American public is such 248 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:32.679 that they can't believe a great man was taken down 249 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:36.279 by a loser like Lee Harvey Oswald. So you know, 250 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:40.159 therefore that's why they don't accept the you know, loan 251 00:14:40.279 --> 00:14:44.000 nut theory. So on. And I know this sounds like 252 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:48.240 I'm convoluting things together here, but I'm not. It's the 253 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:51.399 same methodology. Or again, am I seeing a pattern where 254 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:54.919 there's no pattern? Larry Well, I. 255 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:56.919 Certainly there's a pattern. 256 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.639 The pattern is kind of flawed in a way because, 257 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:05.399 if you think about it, essentially an issue I'm providing 258 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:10.600 information that says, look, over time, we the Air Force, 259 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:12.080 the intelligence community. 260 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:16.399 But let's just say the Air Force used UFOs as 261 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:17.080 a cover. 262 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:21.480 For new technology developments, and we actually at Area fifty one, 263 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:24.600 we sent somebody out to a local bar and showed 264 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.600 them pictures that you know, okay, and that story started 265 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:34.360 circulating or or in another instance, you know, we know 266 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:35.120 this happens. 267 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:36.639 I mean, this is nothing new. 268 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:40.480 Wall Street Journal started with something in nineteen eighty, but 269 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:43.960 we have known that cover stories were in play, and 270 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:48.399 some pretty nasty cover stories are in play for decades. 271 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:50.039 So that part's not new. 272 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:52.480 But if you think about the problem, you really have 273 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:54.879 it sort of like, well, I'm going to be honest 274 00:15:54.919 --> 00:16:00.919 with you and tell you that I foment hoaxes and 275 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:06.720 rumors and send out information and cover stories to protect 276 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:09.600 what I'm doing. But now you should accept that I'm 277 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:13.279 telling you the truth. It's kind of a a catch 278 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:16.240 twenty two. It's like, yes, I admit, I admit that 279 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:19.159 I lie to you, but not this time, which and 280 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:22.000 maybe not this time, but how would I know because 281 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:25.080 that's the part you. 282 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:26.440 Talked about it. 283 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:29.879 It actually adds to the chaos because they give you 284 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:33.480 some some real examples and you listen to them and 285 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.480 they're perfectly logical, but they don't give you a paper trail. 286 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:38.159 They don't give you any history. 287 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:41.279 So again you have to accept it or not accept 288 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:45.080 it on faith. So it really doesn't clear up anything 289 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.080 unless you know you wanted to be reassured. If you 290 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:51.200 wanted to be reassured, it probably works. And that's maybe 291 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:54.799 what they're testing, like, is this a good enough. 292 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:57.279 Story so that everybody will calm down? 293 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:01.600 And this deals with the reason gossip that were talked 294 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:02.440 about in that hearing. 295 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:04.160 Is this good enough? 296 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:08.799 And again, you know, to put it into uh to 297 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.839 personify this, right is I think back to E. Howard 298 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:16.799 Hunt and the quote deathbed end quote confession where people 299 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:18.799 were like, look, this guy finally gave it to us. 300 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.000 He was a CIA guy, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 301 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:24.119 And at the end of those you know, excited rants 302 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:26.200 where people said, finally we have the truth. You know, 303 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:28.799 how many times have you heard that in JFK circles? Right, 304 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:31.519 finally we got this and boom, that's what it is. 305 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:35.839 Hold on, hass let me ask you a question. What 306 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:38.960 was E. Howard Hunt's job? Was he not in a 307 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:45.279 disinformation guy? You know? So you're supposed to believe his 308 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:49.799 stories when he does give us our day or give 309 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:51.839 us this our day or whatever that book was called 310 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:54.599 about the Bay of Pigs. You're supposed to believe the 311 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:58.640 deathbed confession that his son shopped around, but don't worry 312 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:01.200 about all the other b s he slung over the years, 313 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:03.839 because that was just that and this is now. So 314 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.359 what you're doing is selectively choosing when someone is a 315 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:11.240 reliable source, and it makes it even easier when that 316 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:15.200 source is unnamed and is, you know, close to the situation. 317 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:17.920 I keep bringing up that phrase because I love it. 318 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:20.519 It's it's one of the constants in media, you know, 319 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:25.240 sources close to uh oh, here we go. And people 320 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:27.319 do that as a matter of I mean, the police 321 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:31.799 admittedly use it in various jurisdictions to float stories out 322 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:34.839 there to trick a murderer. Sometimes like they know who 323 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:37.960 did it, they're missing some evidence, so they've floated out 324 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.519 there that sources close to the situation, you know, sources 325 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:44.240 in the police department have said they're after this person, 326 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:47.839 the guy who actually did it. Hears that, goes, oh good, 327 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:52.160 they're onto him, not me, and relaxes, and they literally 328 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:56.279 do that strategically. I mean, if the local police in 329 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:59.160 a metropolitan or even a small town area pull that, 330 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.440 what makes you think that our government agencies who have 331 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.599 you know, exceedingly more complex and sprawling issues to deal 332 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:10.519 with than a singular murder case, except in some cases 333 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:13.440 they do have murder cases to deal with, But that's 334 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:16.240 beside the point. The point is, why would you think 335 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:22.359 that that, you know, mechanism, that operational technique would not 336 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:26.359 apply here to this. So to me, again, it's a 337 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:29.079 matter of perspective. Why are you going to believe it 338 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:31.400 coming from here when you didn't believe it coming from there? 339 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:33.480 You know, look, when I speak out of the right 340 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:35.160 side of my mouth, it's the truth. When I speak 341 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:38.359 out of the left side, your guests as good as mine. 342 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.160 That's weird, isn't it. 343 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:48.440 Yeah? And sometimes if you're removed in history's let's be nice. Okay, 344 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:52.480 Let's say these people, whoever the source was there, has 345 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.240 done some historical research, and let's say that they found 346 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:58.079 a couple of examples. 347 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:00.319 Of where for whatever purpose. 348 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:04.799 Us within the Air Force information with spread cover story 349 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.200 or just someone playing around. 350 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:09.119 Maybe it's a credibility. 351 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:10.920 Test for new officers, you know, like let's see how 352 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:13.920 vullible they are. We'll show on mcfielm and see if 353 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:18.160 they believe it. Maybe this happens, Okay, that's fine. 354 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:19.960 But in. 355 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:25.119 If without the documentation, without the paper trail, we don't 356 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:27.039 know what they found it, and we don't really know 357 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:31.240 if they themselves have the history to interpret it correctly. 358 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:31.720 Uh. 359 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:35.160 For example, one of the one of the stories in 360 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:40.960 the Wall Street Journal article was involved essentially a UFO 361 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:46.079 taking a whole wing of ICBMs offline, you know. 362 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:49.119 And which is is pretty spectacular and would tend to 363 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:49.640 worry you. 364 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:52.319 And and the what you see in the Wall Street 365 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:58.119 Journal article is that this whole thing was actually a test, 366 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:04.119 a control to and the wing did go offline, but 367 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:08.920 it was a test to determine whether or not the bunkers, 368 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.359 the silos, and the missiles would be affected by e 369 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:18.640 MP okay, electromagnetic paulse. The problem with all of this is, 370 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:23.960 again we don't even know that the person that researched 371 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:28.680 it got it right. Because this incident has been researched 372 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:31.880 at great length, and I sent you a week called. 373 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:34.559 A book called Faded. 374 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:38.720 Giant, which actually was researched and written by people that 375 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:44.519 were involved with the contractor for this missile sit control system, 376 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:48.720 and it contains a lot of documents. And one of 377 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:51.200 the documents that it contains is you can see that 378 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:55.759 the Strategic Air Command and the National Military Command Center 379 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.359 took this as a real event. So if it was asked, 380 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:04.240 somebody forgot to tell a Strategic Air Command that, oh, 381 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:07.640 by the way, we're testing a live operational wing of missiles. 382 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:10.200 Don't be concerned if. 383 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:13.400 They go offline, We're good and you know, we'll check 384 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:14.119 back with you. 385 00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:17.359 And does that make any sense at all? 386 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:20.119 Well, No, the only thing that makes sense here, and 387 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:23.079 this is a direct question to you is and I 388 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:25.920 want to know if this is again right thinking on 389 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:28.759 my part or if I'm just off. But I mean, 390 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.440 it seems to me like this is damage control, either 391 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:36.519 preemptive damage control or damage control for a circumstance which 392 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:39.680 is in the public domain already, where it's like, how 393 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:42.440 do we explain that. Well, you know what, people don't understand. 394 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:44.599 They think that this and this and this, But it 395 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:47.640 was actually a test we were running that day, you know, 396 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:50.680 and we don't tell people that because that's all classified. 397 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.000 And this is a good way with the unnamed source 398 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:56.599 to float it out there? Is it because of researchers 399 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:58.359 like you know, the work that you're doing at the 400 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:03.079 SCU that they need to explain things now and say, look, 401 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:05.440