Speaker 1: All right, so have you ever heard about like the
Knights Templar.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, of course, the warrior monks, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Those guys. But what if their mission was like way
more than just protecting pilgrims. What if they were searching
for something like big, something that could like totally change history.
Speaker 2: Well, it is really fascinating how the Knights Templar, even
after all these centuries, still capture our imaginations, right, I
mean the usual story is that they were like this
holy order sworn to protect those Christian pilgrims going to Jerusalem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good cause.
Speaker 2: A very noble cause.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally noble. But like today we're going deeper. Okay,
we're going to look into some theories, some claims that
suggest the Knights Templar were up to something way bigger, okay,
but they were on a quest for like ancient secrets, yeah,
powerful artifacts. Stuff they could like change how we see
the past, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this whole thing it starts way before the
Knights Templar like even existed. Oh really, yeah, with this
really mysterious group called the Brothers of the East. They
were in Constantinople Constance now it's called Istanbul, oh okay,
And Unlike you know a lot of groups back then.
These guys, they weren't fighting for power. They were all
about preserving like ancient wisdom interesting you know, things like
alchemy oh wow, sacred geometry. And they were really into
the stars, like astrology and astronomy and stuff.
Speaker 1: So they were like the keepers of like lost knowledge. Yeah,
just like operating in the shadows while empires were like
rising and falling around them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: It makes you wonder what kind of secrets they had, right,
Like what ancient texts for wisdom they were protecting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And one of their biggest secrets was Atlantis.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Atlantis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they believed in it.
Speaker 1: That's like a story that's been around forever, this idea
of like lost civilization with incredible knowledge that just got
like swallowed by the sea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's captivating.
Speaker 1: What was it about Atlantis that they were so fascinated by.
Speaker 2: Well, they thought that the Atlanteans like held the key
to understanding reality, like the real nature of it and
how to like manipulate energy.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And they even thought that maybe humans could be immortal.
Speaker 1: Immortal.
Speaker 2: They claimed that these secrets like got passed down for generations.
You know, wow, super carefully protected, waiting for the right
time to share them.
Speaker 1: So we got these like mysterious brothers guarding the secrets
of Atlantis, right, But how does that connect to the
Knights Templar.
Speaker 2: Well, this is where Hugh de Pam comes in. He
was like this French nobleman and he traveled all the
way to Constantinople just to like learn from the Brothers
of the East and he got really into their stories
about Atlantis and the lost artifacts. He thought they could
like change everything.
Speaker 1: You know. So he was like an early Indiana Jones
kind of yeah, just drawn to all these ancient mysteries.
Exactly did the brothers give ma any clues about like
where to find these article, Yeah.
Speaker 2: They pointed him to Jerusalem, specifically King Solomon's Temple.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: They believed that, like the artifacts were hidden underneath the
temple mount Oh, just like waiting to be rediscovered.
Speaker 1: Jerusalem. I mean it's already like so historic and like
religiously significant. Now we're adding like ancient mysteries and lost artifacts.
It's like something out of like a Dan Brown novel
or something. And that's where the Knights Templar come in.
Speaker 2: Exactly, So Hugh to Pains all inspired he forms the
Knights Templar. Publicly, it's all about protecting the Christian pilgrims,
but if these theories are right, their real mission was
way more hecret and daring.
Speaker 1: So they're like a secret society kind.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, like operating under the cover of a holy order.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, a double life. They had public duties but
also these hidden agendas. Did they actually find anything under
the Temple mount.
Speaker 2: Well, according to Templar a Loure, okay, they hit the jackpot.
They found all these artifacts, including supposedly the Ark of
the Covenant.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, the Ark of the Covenant. Yeah, isn't that
like the chest that had the Ten Commandments in it?
That's the one, the one that's supposed to have like
crazy power, Yeah, tons of power, like the one Indiana
Jones was after. Exactly what did the Templars think about
the arc.
Speaker 2: Well, they saw it as like way more than a
religious thing.
Speaker 1: Oh way.
Speaker 2: They thought it was this technological marvel, a device that
could like harness this powerful energy manna.
Speaker 1: Mana wait, didn't we talk about that before with the Atlanteans?
You got it was this like the same energy they
supposedly mastered.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Wow, the templars, they believed that the arc
and even like the pyramids in Egypt.
Speaker 1: The pyramids where about them?
Speaker 2: They thought they were all about harnessing and using mana Okay.
They saw the pyramids as like giant energy generators, so.
Speaker 1: Not tombs for pharaohs, but like ancient power plants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, think of it that way.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty crazy idea. I mean, it suggests that
they had technology way beyond what we think. What did
they think this man it could do? Well?
Speaker 2: Think of it as like this universal energy source, like
the life force of everything, and they thought you could
use it for anything like healing, even making things levitate,
or like controlling the weather.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're talking free energy, advanced healing, controlling the weather.
This is like Superman stuff, right, No wonder they wanted
to keep it a secret.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it wasn't just the technology they were
worried about.
Speaker 1: Okay, what else? Then?
Speaker 2: They're digging under the Temple mount It supposedly turned up
some shocking truths about Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and John the Baptist.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, like stuff that goes against like
official Christian teachings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like some sources say they found proof that Jesus
had a family with Mary Magdalen, whoa really maybe even
John the Baptist was involved.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: They even found an ostuary, an ausary it's like a
bone box, and they said it had the bones of Jesus,
Mary Magdalene and their kids.
Speaker 1: That's huge. That would rewrite history the wonder the church
might have felt threatened, yeah, exactly. So they were in
a tough spot, right, Yeah, they were loyal to the church,
but their discoveries went against everything the church believed. Right,
What did they do with all this knowledge?
Speaker 2: Well they had to be smart.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Publicly they kept up their Pilgrim protection gig okay, but
in secret they used this new knowledge to build their
own like empire. They got super rich, super influential, rivaling
even the kings. You know.
Speaker 1: So they were like the first multinational corporation kind of
with their own banks, their own network, and all these secrets.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: That's like really bold, especially back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was risky for sure, and it led to
their downfall.
Speaker 1: Oh right, King Fifth of France their biggest enemy.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, King Philip, he was in serious debt to
the Templars. He was threatened by their wealth and their independence.
Plus he wanted their secrets, Okay, So he teamed up
with Pope Clement the Fifth, who owed him a favor.
Oh and they plotted to take the Knight's Templar down.
Speaker 1: And that's how we get to Friday the thirteenth October
thirteen oh seven.
Speaker 2: Yep, a date that's like forever linked to betrayal and conspiracies, right,
that's when King Philip went all in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He arrested tons of Templars all over France, Wow, including
s Chocta Malay, their grandmaster.
Speaker 1: They just like rounded them all up.
Speaker 2: Yep, charged them with all sorts of stuff, heresy, blasphemy,
you name it, probably all made up right, most likely
just to justify taking them down and getting their stuff.
Speaker 1: Classic power move.
Speaker 2: Yeah, total power grab.
Speaker 1: What happened to the Templars after they got arrested.
Speaker 2: Torture, forced confessions to stuff they didn't do. Oh man,
many of them. They got burned at the stake, brutal. Yeah,
it was meant to crush them completely, take all their wealth.
Speaker 1: And Hocta Malay their leader. Yeah, didn't he like curse
everyone as he was burning.
Speaker 2: He did. Yeah, while he was engulfed in flames, he
cursed both King Philip and Pope Klemon.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Said they'd be dead within a year. And the crazy
thing is they both died within months.
Speaker 1: Wow. That's creepy. So the Templars were disbanded, their order destroyed,
their treasures taken. But did they really just disappear?
Speaker 2: Well that's where things get interesting, because even though they
were persecuted, some believe that the Knights Templar, or at
least their secrets lived on.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they might have gone underground, their knowledge passed down
through secret societies. Wow, and like hidden family lines.
Speaker 1: Okay, so now we're talking about secret societies, hidden families
and the possibility that the Knights Templar, or at least
their legacy is still out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty intriguing idea.
Speaker 1: What happened to all those artifacts? Then? Yeah, the ones
they found under the Temple mount? Did those disappear too
or could they still be out there somewhere?
Speaker 2: That is the big question, isn't it? And that question
has fueled a ton of theories and speculation for centuries. Right,
some people will believe the Templars they knew they were
in trouble, so they hid these.
Speaker 1: Artifacts, like stashed them away, Yeah.
Speaker 2: In secret spots all over Europe, maybe even further.
Speaker 1: Secret templar vaults and hidden treasure. It's like something out
of a movie. But wouldn't there be like some record
of it, some clue.
Speaker 2: Well, you'd think so, yeah, But that's the thing about
secret societies. They're pros at hiding stuff. Yeah, their secrets
are often hidden in plain sight, like disguised as symbols,
or in architecture, or even encoded in old texts.
Speaker 1: So it's a real life treasure hunt with like cryptic
clues and hidden maps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly the kind of.
Speaker 1: Places we're talking about. Old castles, underground tunnels, lost cities,
all of.
Speaker 2: Those, and maybe even more exotic places like what well,
some believe they sailed to the America's way before Columbus.
Speaker 1: Whoa hold on templars in America before Columbus?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Really, is there any proof of that?
Speaker 2: There's a lot of debate about it, but there are
some interesting clues, like what well, there's this thing called
the Kensington Runestone. Okay, it was found in Minnesota back
in the late eighteen hundreds. It's a big stone slab
and it's covered in runs ruins. Yeah, it's a type
of writing that the Vikings used.
Speaker 1: Okay, a Viking runestone. What's so special about that?
Speaker 2: Well, the writing on it. It tells a story about
a group of Vikings who were attacked and killed there.
And remember, some people think a lot of those early
Vikings were actually part of the Knights Templar, or at
least connected to them somehow.
Speaker 1: So these Vikings were actually Templars exploring America like centuries
before Columbus.
Speaker 2: That's the faery, that's wild.
Speaker 1: But what about the treasures? Did they leave any behind?
Speaker 2: That's the mystery. There are all these stories about lost
templar gold mines in America, hidden templar settlements, even a
whole templar city in the Amazon.
Speaker 1: Rainforest, a templar city in the Amazon. Come on, that
sounds made up?
Speaker 2: I know, right.
Speaker 1: Is there like any real evidence for any of this?
Speaker 2: Well, that's where it gets tricky. We're talking about a
mix of historical accounts, local legends, stuff that's been passed down.
It's hard to tell what's real and what's not right.
Speaker 1: It's not like we can just google where the templar
treasure is buried, so we're left with speculation, clues and
the chance that maybe, just maybe some of these stories
could be true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: And that's what makes it so interesting, right, Definitely, it's
like this adventure, this desire to find the truth and
uncover lost history. Yeah, but we got to be careful
not to get too caught up in the excitement and
forget to think critically.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: So let's get back to Europe. If the Templars hit
their treasures there, where would they have put them? What
kind of places would be good for hiding valuable, maybe
even dangerous artifacts.
Speaker 2: Well, they'd need somewhere safe, but also somewhere the people
could access easily, places like castles, abbeys, even tunnels or catacombs,
interesting places that were already full of history and st
so their secrets would blend.
Speaker 1: Right in, like hiding in plain sight. Yeah, exactly, using
the existing structures and traditions to cover their activities.
Speaker 2: Right. And there are actually a few places in Europe
that have been connected to the Templars for a long time.
Oh really, and they're rumored to have hidden treasures like
where Well, one of them is Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland.
Speaker 1: Roslyn Chapel. I've heard of that. Yeah, it's got all
those crazy carvings and symbols.
Speaker 2: Right exactly. It was built back in the fourteen hundreds
by this Sinclair family who were close with the Knights Templar. Okay,
and some people believe that Rosslyn Chapel was designed as
like a library of Templar knowledge.
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: They think the carvings and symbols are secret messages clues
to where the treasures are hidden.
Speaker 1: So it's like a giant puzzle box just waiting for
someone to crack the code.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of that's amazing.
Speaker 1: What kind of symbols are we talking about? What secrets
could they be hiding?
Speaker 2: Oh? There are all sorts like Masonic symbols, alchemy stuff,
even pictures of plants that are only found in the Americas.
Speaker 1: Plants from America. That ties back to the Templars sailing
to America.
Speaker 2: Right, it does, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: It's like one of those clues that suggests there's a
bigger mystery going on. Yeah for sure, Okay, I'm convinced.
I gotta see this Rosslyn Chapel.
Speaker 2: Now, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: What about other places in Europe. Any other spots that
might have Templar treasure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, tons, there's Oak Island. Where's that off the
coast of Nova Scotia. Okay, people have been searching for
treasure there for centuries.
Speaker 1: Wow? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, somethink the Templars might have buried their treasures there,
maybe even the Holy Grail.
Speaker 1: The Holy Grail. And now we're talking about like legendary stuff,
I know, right, But if people have been looking on
Oak Island for so long and haven't found anything, doesn't
that mean the Templars weren't there.
Speaker 2: Well, it's true, no one's found anything conclusive. Yeah, but
that doesn't stop people from trying, and there are always
new theories popping up. Yeah, it keeps the legend alive.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we got Rosslyn Chapel, Oak Island, and who
knows how many other places all over Europe, maybe even
the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: It's like a giant treasure map just waiting to be
figured out. But honestly, after all this time, do you
really think any of this treasure is still out there?
Speaker 2: It's possible that some of it's been found over the
years and the people who found it kept it secret.
Oh okay, But it's also possible that some of it's
still hidden, just waiting for the right person at the
right time to find it.
Speaker 1: So it's not just about finding the right place, it's
about like understanding the clues, deciphering the symbols, maybe even
having a little bit of luck, maybe and intuition could
be And that's part of what makes the Templar Treasure
legends so cool. Right at least, it's not just about
the gold and jewels. It's about the adventure, the challenge
of solving this ancient mystery, and the possibility that we
could uncover knowledge that could change everything.
Speaker 2: It's pretty exciting.
Speaker 1: Okay, you've sold me on this. I'm all in, But
I have one more question. You've mentioned all these awesome places,
all these cantilizing clues, But is there anyone out there
who actually says they've found Templar treasure? Hmmmm, anyone who
says they know the truth about their secret legacy.
Speaker 2: Well that's where things take another interesting turn. Oh okay,
because there are people and groups who claim to be
the inheritors of the Templar tradition.
Speaker 1: What like real life nights Templar still around today.
Speaker 2: That's what they say.
Speaker 1: Wow, is getting good. Tell me more about these like
modern day templars. What do they say they know?
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's this guy named Timothy Hogan.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: He says he's a grand master of a templar order.
Speaker 1: Whoa hold on a templar order still exists, like for centuries.
That's a pretty big claim.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: What does he say about the lost artifact? Does he
say he knows where they are?
Speaker 2: He does? Yeah. Hogan says they're hidden in vaults, vaults, Yeah,
all around the world. Wow, protected by people who understand
their true power.
Speaker 1: Secret templar vaults, hidden artifacts, a modern day grand master.
This is like a conspiracy movie. What else does Hogan
say about the templars?
Speaker 2: Well, he thinks the time is coming for these secrets
to be revealed. Oh wow, that humanity is on the
verge of a big change. Okay, and that the knowledge
in these artifacts will help shape the future.
Speaker 1: A grand reveal of ancient knowledge. It sounds almost too
good to be true. But how do we know if
this guy's telling the truth? Can we verify any of this?
Speaker 2: That's the tough part. Yeah, we're in a world of secrets.
Symbols and claims that are really hard to prove or disprove.
Speaker 1: Right, it's not like we can just call up the
Templar headquarters and ask for a tour. So we're left
with his word and the possibility that maybe, just maybe
he's onto something.
Speaker 2: Huge exactly, And that's part of what makes this so fascinating.
It is it makes us question what we think we know,
explore the limits of history and what we believe, and
think about the possibility that there are forces at work
in the world that we don't understand.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm hooked. Tell me more about this Hogan guy.
What artifacts does he say are hidden in these vaults
and what kind of knowledge do they hold?
Speaker 2: Well, that's what we'll dive into in the next part
of our deep dive.
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't wait.
Speaker 2: We'll take a closer look at his claims, right, explore
what these artifacts could mean for the world, and think
about what would happen if these secrets were revealed.