1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: All right, so have you ever heard about like the 2 00:00:01,919 --> 00:00:02,720 Knights Templar. 3 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, of course, the warrior monks, Yeah. 4 00:00:04,919 --> 00:00:08,679 Speaker 1: Those guys. But what if their mission was like way 5 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,480 more than just protecting pilgrims. What if they were searching 6 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:15,599 for something like big, something that could like totally change history. 7 00:00:15,839 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: Well, it is really fascinating how the Knights Templar, even 8 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,320 after all these centuries, still capture our imaginations, right, I 9 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:25,320 mean the usual story is that they were like this 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,640 holy order sworn to protect those Christian pilgrims going to Jerusalem. 11 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, good cause. 12 00:00:31,879 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: A very noble cause. 13 00:00:33,079 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally noble. But like today we're going deeper. Okay, 14 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,840 we're going to look into some theories, some claims that 15 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,000 suggest the Knights Templar were up to something way bigger, okay, 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,920 but they were on a quest for like ancient secrets, yeah, 17 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:51,320 powerful artifacts. Stuff they could like change how we see 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:52,200 the past, you know. 19 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, And this whole thing it starts way before the 20 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,359 Knights Templar like even existed. Oh really, yeah, with this 21 00:00:58,479 --> 00:01:02,119 really mysterious group called the Brothers of the East. They 22 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:05,599 were in Constantinople Constance now it's called Istanbul, oh okay, 23 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,319 And Unlike you know a lot of groups back then. 24 00:01:08,879 --> 00:01:11,599 These guys, they weren't fighting for power. They were all 25 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:17,239 about preserving like ancient wisdom interesting you know, things like 26 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,239 alchemy oh wow, sacred geometry. And they were really into 27 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,519 the stars, like astrology and astronomy and stuff. 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,079 Speaker 1: So they were like the keepers of like lost knowledge. Yeah, 29 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:30,079 just like operating in the shadows while empires were like 30 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:32,079 rising and falling around them. Yeah. 31 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy. 32 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: It makes you wonder what kind of secrets they had, right, 33 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,000 Like what ancient texts for wisdom they were protecting. 34 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And one of their biggest secrets was Atlantis. 35 00:01:41,719 --> 00:01:42,879 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Atlantis. 36 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, they believed in it. 37 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: That's like a story that's been around forever, this idea 38 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:55,200 of like lost civilization with incredible knowledge that just got 39 00:01:55,319 --> 00:01:57,200 like swallowed by the sea. 40 00:01:57,359 --> 00:01:58,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's captivating. 41 00:01:58,519 --> 00:02:01,239 Speaker 1: What was it about Atlantis that they were so fascinated by. 42 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:04,239 Speaker 2: Well, they thought that the Atlanteans like held the key 43 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:08,639 to understanding reality, like the real nature of it and 44 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:12,039 how to like manipulate energy. 45 00:02:12,319 --> 00:02:12,599 Speaker 1: Wow. 46 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: And they even thought that maybe humans could be immortal. 47 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: Immortal. 48 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: They claimed that these secrets like got passed down for generations. 49 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,080 You know, wow, super carefully protected, waiting for the right 50 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,680 time to share them. 51 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: So we got these like mysterious brothers guarding the secrets 52 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,439 of Atlantis, right, But how does that connect to the 53 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:32,240 Knights Templar. 54 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,319 Speaker 2: Well, this is where Hugh de Pam comes in. He 55 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:37,319 was like this French nobleman and he traveled all the 56 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:40,400 way to Constantinople just to like learn from the Brothers 57 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,919 of the East and he got really into their stories 58 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,120 about Atlantis and the lost artifacts. He thought they could 59 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:48,520 like change everything. 60 00:02:48,159 --> 00:02:52,199 Speaker 1: You know. So he was like an early Indiana Jones 61 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,479 kind of yeah, just drawn to all these ancient mysteries. 62 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,400 Exactly did the brothers give ma any clues about like 63 00:02:58,759 --> 00:03:01,080 where to find these article, Yeah. 64 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: They pointed him to Jerusalem, specifically King Solomon's Temple. 65 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: Okay. 66 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:11,159 Speaker 2: They believed that, like the artifacts were hidden underneath the 67 00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:14,680 temple mount Oh, just like waiting to be rediscovered. 68 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: Jerusalem. I mean it's already like so historic and like 69 00:03:18,199 --> 00:03:23,280 religiously significant. Now we're adding like ancient mysteries and lost artifacts. 70 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:26,680 It's like something out of like a Dan Brown novel 71 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,960 or something. And that's where the Knights Templar come in. 72 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,199 Speaker 2: Exactly, So Hugh to Pains all inspired he forms the 73 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,520 Knights Templar. Publicly, it's all about protecting the Christian pilgrims, 74 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,800 but if these theories are right, their real mission was 75 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:44,919 way more hecret and daring. 76 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,199 Speaker 1: So they're like a secret society kind. 77 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: Of Yeah, like operating under the cover of a holy order. 78 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,879 Speaker 1: Oh wow, a double life. They had public duties but 79 00:03:51,919 --> 00:03:55,280 also these hidden agendas. Did they actually find anything under 80 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,159 the Temple mount. 81 00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:59,759 Speaker 2: Well, according to Templar a Loure, okay, they hit the jackpot. 82 00:04:00,479 --> 00:04:03,719 They found all these artifacts, including supposedly the Ark of 83 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:04,240 the Covenant. 84 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: Oh wow, the Ark of the Covenant. Yeah, isn't that 85 00:04:07,479 --> 00:04:09,319 like the chest that had the Ten Commandments in it? 86 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:11,800 That's the one, the one that's supposed to have like 87 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,120 crazy power, Yeah, tons of power, like the one Indiana 88 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:18,639 Jones was after. Exactly what did the Templars think about 89 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:19,199 the arc. 90 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:22,199 Speaker 2: Well, they saw it as like way more than a 91 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,000 religious thing. 92 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:23,639 Speaker 1: Oh way. 93 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: They thought it was this technological marvel, a device that 94 00:04:28,759 --> 00:04:33,279 could like harness this powerful energy manna. 95 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,079 Speaker 1: Mana wait, didn't we talk about that before with the Atlanteans? 96 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,600 You got it was this like the same energy they 97 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:39,839 supposedly mastered. 98 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Wow, the templars, they believed that the arc 99 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,079 and even like the pyramids in Egypt. 100 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: The pyramids where about them? 101 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:51,759 Speaker 2: They thought they were all about harnessing and using mana Okay. 102 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,360 They saw the pyramids as like giant energy generators, so. 103 00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:58,439 Speaker 1: Not tombs for pharaohs, but like ancient power plants. 104 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, think of it that way. 105 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:02,759 Speaker 1: That's a pretty crazy idea. I mean, it suggests that 106 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,959 they had technology way beyond what we think. What did 107 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:08,360 they think this man it could do? Well? 108 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:12,879 Speaker 2: Think of it as like this universal energy source, like 109 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:15,720 the life force of everything, and they thought you could 110 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,439 use it for anything like healing, even making things levitate, 111 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,879 or like controlling the weather. 112 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: Okay, we're talking free energy, advanced healing, controlling the weather. 113 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:28,240 This is like Superman stuff, right, No wonder they wanted 114 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,079 to keep it a secret. 115 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it wasn't just the technology they were 116 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:31,879 worried about. 117 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: Okay, what else? Then? 118 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: They're digging under the Temple mount It supposedly turned up 119 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,680 some shocking truths about Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and John the Baptist. 120 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: What do you mean, like stuff that goes against like 121 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:45,199 official Christian teachings. 122 00:05:45,399 --> 00:05:48,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like some sources say they found proof that Jesus 123 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,519 had a family with Mary Magdalen, whoa really maybe even 124 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:52,959 John the Baptist was involved. 125 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: Wow. 126 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: They even found an ostuary, an ausary it's like a 127 00:05:56,759 --> 00:05:59,639 bone box, and they said it had the bones of Jesus, 128 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,240 Mary Magdalene and their kids. 129 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: That's huge. That would rewrite history the wonder the church 130 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:08,079 might have felt threatened, yeah, exactly. So they were in 131 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,399 a tough spot, right, Yeah, they were loyal to the church, 132 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,439 but their discoveries went against everything the church believed. Right, 133 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:15,920 What did they do with all this knowledge? 134 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: Well they had to be smart. 135 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:17,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. 136 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: Publicly they kept up their Pilgrim protection gig okay, but 137 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,800 in secret they used this new knowledge to build their 138 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:31,480 own like empire. They got super rich, super influential, rivaling 139 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,040 even the kings. You know. 140 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: So they were like the first multinational corporation kind of 141 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,879 with their own banks, their own network, and all these secrets. 142 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:40,439 Speaker 2: Exactly. 143 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: That's like really bold, especially back then. 144 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was risky for sure, and it led to 145 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:46,839 their downfall. 146 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:49,959 Speaker 1: Oh right, King Fifth of France their biggest enemy. 147 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, King Philip, he was in serious debt to 148 00:06:52,879 --> 00:06:57,120 the Templars. He was threatened by their wealth and their independence. 149 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,639 Plus he wanted their secrets, Okay, So he teamed up 150 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,199 with Pope Clement the Fifth, who owed him a favor. 151 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,480 Oh and they plotted to take the Knight's Templar down. 152 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,199 Speaker 1: And that's how we get to Friday the thirteenth October 153 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:10,319 thirteen oh seven. 154 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: Yep, a date that's like forever linked to betrayal and conspiracies, right, 155 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,759 that's when King Philip went all in. 156 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 157 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: He arrested tons of Templars all over France, Wow, including 158 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:23,959 s Chocta Malay, their grandmaster. 159 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,759 Speaker 1: They just like rounded them all up. 160 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:29,199 Speaker 2: Yep, charged them with all sorts of stuff, heresy, blasphemy, 161 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:32,000 you name it, probably all made up right, most likely 162 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:34,839 just to justify taking them down and getting their stuff. 163 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: Classic power move. 164 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, total power grab. 165 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: What happened to the Templars after they got arrested. 166 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: Torture, forced confessions to stuff they didn't do. Oh man, 167 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:47,399 many of them. They got burned at the stake, brutal. Yeah, 168 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:50,279 it was meant to crush them completely, take all their wealth. 169 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: And Hocta Malay their leader. Yeah, didn't he like curse 170 00:07:54,399 --> 00:07:56,040 everyone as he was burning. 171 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: He did. Yeah, while he was engulfed in flames, he 172 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,399 cursed both King Philip and Pope Klemon. 173 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: Wow. 174 00:08:02,199 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: Said they'd be dead within a year. And the crazy 175 00:08:04,959 --> 00:08:07,360 thing is they both died within months. 176 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,439 Speaker 1: Wow. That's creepy. So the Templars were disbanded, their order destroyed, 177 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,879 their treasures taken. But did they really just disappear? 178 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,319 Speaker 2: Well that's where things get interesting, because even though they 179 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:22,680 were persecuted, some believe that the Knights Templar, or at 180 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:24,600 least their secrets lived on. 181 00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: Really. 182 00:08:25,959 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, they might have gone underground, their knowledge passed down 183 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,360 through secret societies. Wow, and like hidden family lines. 184 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:38,519 Speaker 1: Okay, so now we're talking about secret societies, hidden families 185 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:41,360 and the possibility that the Knights Templar, or at least 186 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:43,320 their legacy is still out there. 187 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:45,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty intriguing idea. 188 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: What happened to all those artifacts? Then? Yeah, the ones 189 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:50,679 they found under the Temple mount? Did those disappear too 190 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,480 or could they still be out there somewhere? 191 00:08:52,639 --> 00:08:55,159 Speaker 2: That is the big question, isn't it? And that question 192 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,480 has fueled a ton of theories and speculation for centuries. Right, 193 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,159 some people will believe the Templars they knew they were 194 00:09:02,159 --> 00:09:03,679 in trouble, so they hid these. 195 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: Artifacts, like stashed them away, Yeah. 196 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: In secret spots all over Europe, maybe even further. 197 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: Secret templar vaults and hidden treasure. It's like something out 198 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,840 of a movie. But wouldn't there be like some record 199 00:09:15,879 --> 00:09:17,039 of it, some clue. 200 00:09:17,159 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: Well, you'd think so, yeah, But that's the thing about 201 00:09:19,159 --> 00:09:23,840 secret societies. They're pros at hiding stuff. Yeah, their secrets 202 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,799 are often hidden in plain sight, like disguised as symbols, 203 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,600 or in architecture, or even encoded in old texts. 204 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: So it's a real life treasure hunt with like cryptic 205 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,480 clues and hidden maps. 206 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:37,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly the kind of. 207 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: Places we're talking about. Old castles, underground tunnels, lost cities, 208 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:42,080 all of. 209 00:09:42,039 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: Those, and maybe even more exotic places like what well, 210 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:49,600 some believe they sailed to the America's way before Columbus. 211 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,279 Speaker 1: Whoa hold on templars in America before Columbus? 212 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 2: Yeah? 213 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:54,879 Speaker 1: Really, is there any proof of that? 214 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: There's a lot of debate about it, but there are 215 00:09:57,399 --> 00:10:00,840 some interesting clues, like what well, there's this thing called 216 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:04,600 the Kensington Runestone. Okay, it was found in Minnesota back 217 00:10:04,639 --> 00:10:08,320 in the late eighteen hundreds. It's a big stone slab 218 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,639 and it's covered in runs ruins. Yeah, it's a type 219 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:13,360 of writing that the Vikings used. 220 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: Okay, a Viking runestone. What's so special about that? 221 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: Well, the writing on it. It tells a story about 222 00:10:21,159 --> 00:10:24,080 a group of Vikings who were attacked and killed there. 223 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:26,679 And remember, some people think a lot of those early 224 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:29,679 Vikings were actually part of the Knights Templar, or at 225 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:31,240 least connected to them somehow. 226 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: So these Vikings were actually Templars exploring America like centuries 227 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,120 before Columbus. 228 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:38,879 Speaker 2: That's the faery, that's wild. 229 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: But what about the treasures? Did they leave any behind? 230 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: That's the mystery. There are all these stories about lost 231 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,240 templar gold mines in America, hidden templar settlements, even a 232 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:53,000 whole templar city in the Amazon. 233 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,399 Speaker 1: Rainforest, a templar city in the Amazon. Come on, that 234 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:56,200 sounds made up? 235 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,039 Speaker 2: I know, right. 236 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,759 Speaker 1: Is there like any real evidence for any of this? 237 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: Well, that's where it gets tricky. We're talking about a 238 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,399 mix of historical accounts, local legends, stuff that's been passed down. 239 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,519 It's hard to tell what's real and what's not right. 240 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: It's not like we can just google where the templar 241 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:17,159 treasure is buried, so we're left with speculation, clues and 242 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,240 the chance that maybe, just maybe some of these stories 243 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:21,799 could be true. 244 00:11:21,879 --> 00:11:22,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. 245 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: And that's what makes it so interesting, right, Definitely, it's 246 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,480 like this adventure, this desire to find the truth and 247 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,360 uncover lost history. Yeah, but we got to be careful 248 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:33,440 not to get too caught up in the excitement and 249 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:34,679 forget to think critically. 250 00:11:34,879 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 251 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: So let's get back to Europe. If the Templars hit 252 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,080 their treasures there, where would they have put them? What 253 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,600 kind of places would be good for hiding valuable, maybe 254 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,200 even dangerous artifacts. 255 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: Well, they'd need somewhere safe, but also somewhere the people 256 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:57,279 could access easily, places like castles, abbeys, even tunnels or catacombs, 257 00:11:57,279 --> 00:11:59,799 interesting places that were already full of history and st 258 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,320 so their secrets would blend. 259 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: Right in, like hiding in plain sight. Yeah, exactly, using 260 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,399 the existing structures and traditions to cover their activities. 261 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: Right. And there are actually a few places in Europe 262 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,279 that have been connected to the Templars for a long time. 263 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,799 Oh really, and they're rumored to have hidden treasures like 264 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:21,559 where Well, one of them is Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland. 265 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: Roslyn Chapel. I've heard of that. Yeah, it's got all 266 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,240 those crazy carvings and symbols. 267 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: Right exactly. It was built back in the fourteen hundreds 268 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,639 by this Sinclair family who were close with the Knights Templar. Okay, 269 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,080 and some people believe that Rosslyn Chapel was designed as 270 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,440 like a library of Templar knowledge. 271 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:40,039 Speaker 1: What do you mean? 272 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: They think the carvings and symbols are secret messages clues 273 00:12:44,519 --> 00:12:46,200 to where the treasures are hidden. 274 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: So it's like a giant puzzle box just waiting for 275 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:49,519 someone to crack the code. 276 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of that's amazing. 277 00:12:51,919 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: What kind of symbols are we talking about? What secrets 278 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:54,879 could they be hiding? 279 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: Oh? There are all sorts like Masonic symbols, alchemy stuff, 280 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,919 even pictures of plants that are only found in the Americas. 281 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: Plants from America. That ties back to the Templars sailing 282 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:06,519 to America. 283 00:13:06,639 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: Right, it does, doesn't it. 284 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: It's like one of those clues that suggests there's a 285 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,720 bigger mystery going on. Yeah for sure, Okay, I'm convinced. 286 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:15,559 I gotta see this Rosslyn Chapel. 287 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: Now, it's pretty cool. 288 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: What about other places in Europe. Any other spots that 289 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:20,639 might have Templar treasure. 290 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, tons, there's Oak Island. Where's that off the 291 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,919 coast of Nova Scotia. Okay, people have been searching for 292 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,639 treasure there for centuries. 293 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:30,639 Speaker 1: Wow? Really? 294 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:33,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, somethink the Templars might have buried their treasures there, 295 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:34,960 maybe even the Holy Grail. 296 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:38,919 Speaker 1: The Holy Grail. And now we're talking about like legendary stuff, 297 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,279 I know, right, But if people have been looking on 298 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,759 Oak Island for so long and haven't found anything, doesn't 299 00:13:45,799 --> 00:13:47,080 that mean the Templars weren't there. 300 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: Well, it's true, no one's found anything conclusive. Yeah, but 301 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,480 that doesn't stop people from trying, and there are always 302 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,519 new theories popping up. Yeah, it keeps the legend alive. 303 00:13:56,799 --> 00:14:01,519 Speaker 1: Okay, So we got Rosslyn Chapel, Oak Island, and who 304 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,720 knows how many other places all over Europe, maybe even 305 00:14:04,759 --> 00:14:05,200 the world. 306 00:14:05,399 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty wild. 307 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,279 Speaker 1: It's like a giant treasure map just waiting to be 308 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,240 figured out. But honestly, after all this time, do you 309 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:15,440 really think any of this treasure is still out there? 310 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: It's possible that some of it's been found over the 311 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,600 years and the people who found it kept it secret. 312 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,039 Oh okay, But it's also possible that some of it's 313 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,360 still hidden, just waiting for the right person at the 314 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:28,840 right time to find it. 315 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:30,759 Speaker 1: So it's not just about finding the right place, it's 316 00:14:30,799 --> 00:14:35,879 about like understanding the clues, deciphering the symbols, maybe even 317 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,120 having a little bit of luck, maybe and intuition could 318 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:41,759 be And that's part of what makes the Templar Treasure 319 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,679 legends so cool. Right at least, it's not just about 320 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,360 the gold and jewels. It's about the adventure, the challenge 321 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,120 of solving this ancient mystery, and the possibility that we 322 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:54,240 could uncover knowledge that could change everything. 323 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: It's pretty exciting. 324 00:14:55,919 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: Okay, you've sold me on this. I'm all in, But 325 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:02,440 I have one more question. You've mentioned all these awesome places, 326 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,639 all these cantilizing clues, But is there anyone out there 327 00:15:06,679 --> 00:15:11,120 who actually says they've found Templar treasure? Hmmmm, anyone who 328 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,639 says they know the truth about their secret legacy. 329 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: Well that's where things take another interesting turn. Oh okay, 330 00:15:17,039 --> 00:15:21,279 because there are people and groups who claim to be 331 00:15:21,919 --> 00:15:25,200 the inheritors of the Templar tradition. 332 00:15:25,639 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: What like real life nights Templar still around today. 333 00:15:29,759 --> 00:15:30,759 Speaker 2: That's what they say. 334 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,679 Speaker 1: Wow, is getting good. Tell me more about these like 335 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:35,799 modern day templars. What do they say they know? 336 00:15:36,039 --> 00:15:37,919 Speaker 2: Okay, So there's this guy named Timothy Hogan. 337 00:15:38,039 --> 00:15:38,399 Speaker 1: Okay. 338 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,399 Speaker 2: He says he's a grand master of a templar order. 339 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: Whoa hold on a templar order still exists, like for centuries. 340 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,759 That's a pretty big claim. 341 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:47,679 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. 342 00:15:47,679 --> 00:15:49,759 Speaker 1: What does he say about the lost artifact? Does he 343 00:15:49,799 --> 00:15:50,799 say he knows where they are? 344 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: He does? Yeah. Hogan says they're hidden in vaults, vaults, Yeah, 345 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:56,759 all around the world. Wow, protected by people who understand 346 00:15:56,799 --> 00:15:57,879 their true power. 347 00:15:57,799 --> 00:16:02,279 Speaker 1: Secret templar vaults, hidden artifacts, a modern day grand master. 348 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:05,600 This is like a conspiracy movie. What else does Hogan 349 00:16:05,679 --> 00:16:06,679 say about the templars? 350 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,559 Speaker 2: Well, he thinks the time is coming for these secrets 351 00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:12,559 to be revealed. Oh wow, that humanity is on the 352 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:15,279 verge of a big change. Okay, and that the knowledge 353 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:17,639 in these artifacts will help shape the future. 354 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: A grand reveal of ancient knowledge. It sounds almost too 355 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:23,919 good to be true. But how do we know if 356 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:27,240 this guy's telling the truth? Can we verify any of this? 357 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: That's the tough part. Yeah, we're in a world of secrets. 358 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,879 Symbols and claims that are really hard to prove or disprove. 359 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:36,879 Speaker 1: Right, it's not like we can just call up the 360 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:39,679 Templar headquarters and ask for a tour. So we're left 361 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,240 with his word and the possibility that maybe, just maybe 362 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:44,600 he's onto something. 363 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,919 Speaker 2: Huge exactly, And that's part of what makes this so fascinating. 364 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,080 It is it makes us question what we think we know, 365 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:55,159 explore the limits of history and what we believe, and 366 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:57,759 think about the possibility that there are forces at work 367 00:16:57,799 --> 00:16:59,279 in the world that we don't understand. 368 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,399 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm hooked. Tell me more about this Hogan guy. 369 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:07,240 What artifacts does he say are hidden in these vaults 370 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:09,319 and what kind of knowledge do they hold? 371 00:17:09,519 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: Well, that's what we'll dive into in the next part 372 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:11,960 of our deep dive. 373 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: Okay, I can't wait. 374 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 2: We'll take a closer look at his claims, right, explore 375 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,160 what these artifacts could mean for the world, and think 376 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,319 about what would happen if these secrets were revealed.